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Florida Voter's Lawsuit Dismissed

By Krissah Williams
A federal judge in Tampa has again tossed out a lawsuit filed by a Florida political consultant angry that his vote in the state's Democratic primary will not count. Victor DiMaio's lawsuit contended that the Democratic National Committee is discriminating against Florida voters. DiMaio argued that party leaders unfairly allowed Nevada and South Carolina to hold their presidential primaries prior to February 5, in part because of the sizable minority populations in both states, but punished Florida and Michigan for skirting the rules.

"How do you ignore the fourth largest state in the nation and millions of Florida voters who exercised their right to vote?" DiMaio said in a statement before the ruling.

Judge Richard A. Lazzara agreed with the DNC, which said that it its practices are not discriminatory and political parties have a constitutional right to determine how delegates are selected in their nominating process. The party has stripped Florida and Michigan of all their delegates for bucking party rules and holding their primaries early.

The fight among over the delegates is set to continue this weekend when the Rules and Bylaws Committee of the DNC is scheduled to meet in Washington to hear appeals by Florida and Michigan. Supporters of both Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have planned protests.

DiMaio's suit is the third filed against the DNC over its decision to strip Florida of its convention delegates. U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson and Rep. Alcee Hastings, both Democrats from Florida, filed a lawsuit that was dismissed in late 2007 and a Florida Democratic state senator filed a suit last week.

CNN is reporting that DiMaio is preparing to appeal to the Supreme Court.

By Web Politics Editor  |  May 28, 2008; 1:05 PM ET
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"And no the Republicans did not strip Florida and Michigan of all their delegates so the citizens have Florida should strip the alleged Democratic Party"

Last I heard, it was one person one vote not one person, one HALF a vote. So in that case, the RNC did 'disenfranchise' under the premise of your own argument.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"I hate to break it to you but George Wallace was a Democrat and for that matter so is Robert Byrd who was a Klansman."

And I hate to break it to you but you're making an ideological argument--not a party argument--meshing opposing ideologies together.

George Wallace and others who sought/seek to deny people equal rights based on race or religion are equated with Fascism. The ideological opposite of Fascism is Communism.

George Wallace also left/was forced out of the Democratic Party and ran for President in the American Independent Party. I think you and George Wallace actually have much in common. Look it up crazy, racist, uneducated freak.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I hate to break it to you but George Wallace was a Democrat and for that matter so is Robert Byrd who was a Klansman.

The Democrat party was the party of Jim Crow.

Were it not for Republicans the liberal Democrats of the north would never have gotten the civil rights acts passed because the southern Democrats like KKK Byrd and George Wallace would never have allowed it.

And yes comparing Howard Dean to George Wallace is perfectly valid because they both opposed voting rights of millions of US Citizens. Howard Dean has disfranchised millions of voters in Florida and Michigan many of them Black.

And far as the alleged Democratic Party a bunch Communist their actions speak louder than their words. After all if you believe in let us say Democracy you would nominee base upon a fair election where everyone has a fair vote. You would not rig the election by disfranchising two states and giving inside party officials a greater say by means of the Super Delegates. The fact alone that the alleged Democratic Party makes use Super Delegates at all are testimony that the Democratic Party hates the Democratic Process.
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That and that racist Obama had a band that routinely plays the old Soviet National Anthem at its concerts open for him is proof that extremist elements have all but taken over the Democratic Party. What Obama means by his vague promises of change is Communism.

And no the Republicans did not strip Florida and Michigan of all their delegates so the citizens have Florida should strip the alleged Democratic Party Presidential Nominee from qualifying to be on Florida Ballot this November.

Posted by: Bret_G | May 29, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"By this I mean the citizens of Florida should contend that because the Communist Party led by Howard George Wallace Dean has disfranchised the entire state of Florida, the Democratic Party cannot be considered as a major party under Florida election law."

Why equate Howard Dean with a right wing psycho (George Wallace) and then call him a Communist? This entire post is pure gibberish. The Republicans also 'disenfranchised' FL, so if this qualifies as not being able to be 'considered a major party under Florida election law' what major parties will you have left in FL? The Green Party?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Can some one tell me WHY FI & MI went early?

In Florida ? BECAUSE:

A republican legislature and republican governor wanted to set a trap that would guarantee them a victory in November by tricking the DNC into penalizing innocent voters.

The DNC FELL for it!"

AND SO DID THE RNC.

YOU'RE LEAVING OUT HALF THE FACTS IN THIS FANTASY. BOTH THE DNC AND RNC PENALIZED BOTH FL AND MI FOR MOVING UP THEIR PRIMARIES. THE FACT THAT TWO PARTIES THAT AGREE ON ESSENTIALLY NOTHING, BOTH TOOK THE SAME ACTION SPEAKS VOLUMES. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE PENALIZED, DON'T BREAK THE RULES. THIS IS A COUNTRY OF LAW AND RULES.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey why is it that Florida has so much trouble voting? Hanging chads, tampered voting machines, not knowing when to freaking vote!

Posted by: too bad! | May 29, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I can tell you why FL and MI went early, so that their voices count. McCain was already the winner before this freak show hit my state. I ain't voting for no McCain and his plan for six dollar a gallon gasoline this November.

I wish my state would move its' primary to January too.

But, what I would like to know is by what right does any political party have to dictate when a state decides to hold a primary election when the state is paying for it?

If the Howard George Wallace Dean and the DNC did not want Florida and Michigan going early then they should have paid for primary election on the day of their choosing. If the DNC was paying for these primaries I would agree it is private matter with the alleged Democratic Party. But since Florida and Michigan paid for the election and have to satisfy the interest of multiple parties it is not.

I can say to the alleged Democratic Party is shut up and seat all the delegates.

Posted by: Independent Voter | May 29, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Can some one tell me WHY FI & MI went early?

In Florida ? BECAUSE:

A republican legislature and republican governor wanted to set a trap that would guarantee them a victory in November by tricking the DNC into penalizing innocent voters.

The DNC FELL for it!

Let's teach the republicans and DNC a well earned LESSON ... VOTE INDEPENDENT!

Posted by: American | May 29, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

What the citizens of Florida need to do is to challenge Howard George Wallace Dean and the DNC in a state court. By this I mean the citizens of Florida should contend that because the Communist Party led by Howard George Wallace Dean has disfranchised the entire state of Florida, the Democratic Party cannot be considered as a major party under Florida election law. Therefore the Democratic Party's presidential nominee is not entitled to be on the ballot come November. Unless the nominee gathers the necessary signatures on a petition by the date prescribed by Florida Election Law which I believe is before the Democratic Party's convention.

That is the way Florida's citizens should handle Howard George Wallace Dean, merely block the Communists from having their nominee on the November ballot. The more educated voters will just simply have to write Obama's name in but the illiterate high school dropout voters, many of them Black, I'm afraid they would be disfranchised in November. But they can thank Master Howard George Wallace Dean and the DNC for that.

So, I implore the Democratic Party to renounce communism and embrace the principles of Democracy or at least change their name. A party that disfranchises citizens of entire states of their right to vote and be heard hardly qualifies to called the Democratic Party. It is false and misleading advertisement

Posted by: Bret_G | May 29, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

OK, has anyone missed that Hillary said she should continue running for president because California votes in June and Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June (in '68)? What is she, a gangster?

There is so much spin to her campaigns these days its ridiculous. First California (like just about every state it seems) voted earlier this primary cycle in March so I'm not sure what transformative moment she is waiting for, the voters of Porto Rico? And I never ever heard a candidate imply before that the race was still relevent because her opponent might be disqualified by a bullet. (As everyone was thinking when Obama began the race... he must be crazy, the first African American president, he might be shot...)

Posted by: Elizabeth | May 29, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

HILLARY CLINTON: WOMAN OF THE PEOPLE?

In her first 6 years in the US Senate (her first DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED POSITION as opposed to appointment or corporate job), Sen. Clinton introduced a grand total of 20 bills. Four of those bills were for naming various buildings after dead people, two of them were directly related to the attacks of 9/11/2001 and several others were things like congradulating sports teams.

In Barack Obama's FIRST year in the US Senate, he introduced 152 bills. MORE THAN 7 TIMES AS MANY "DEEDS" IN 1/6TH THE TIME!

Add to that, if you include the time Obama spent as a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Illinois State Senator, he has introduced MORE bills JUST on the topic of Ethics Reform than Sen. Clinton has introduced in her first term as Senate, which represents the TOTALITY of her ELECTED and DEMOCRATICALLY ACCOUNTABLE experience, as opposed to her time on the corporate board of Wal-Mart.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Florida and Michigan shouldn't have played "chicken" with their citizen's right to vote by moving up their election date in violation of, and in challeng to, the National Dem party.

OOPS they lost, and now they are pissed.

The answer is to split thedlegates 50% -50% between Clinton and Obama and seat the delegates.

..but wait... Hillary wants 100% based upon a flawed and un-sanctioned election in which many, many voters stayed home, and Hillary's voters went to the polls.

Clinton's self-serving lack of ethics is disgusting and partly why I'll NEVER vote for her in ANY national election for ANY position in the government.

Posted by: JBE | May 28, 2008 9:46 PM

I live in NYC and there is a lot of talk that she will lose her Senate seat in 2012 b/c many Democrats will now not vote for her for ANY OFFICE ever again.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

"But the Comintern has selected its candidate. Too bad when Florida does get its chance, it will now go for McCain, as will Michigan. But that's par for the course to the blowdried idiots that run the Democratic Party. Losing, losing, and more losing. This helps them feel morally superior, I suppose, and that is more important than winning.

Posted by: Catherine | May 28, 2008 11:04 PM

Well, Catherine, it's certainly clear who's MORALLY INFERIOR. YOU LEAVE NO DOUBT THAT THAT'S YOU!

AND TOO BAD FOR YOU THAT MCCAIN COULD BE CONSIDERED AS LEFTIST AS OBAMA IN MANY WAYS--EVEN MORESO IN SOME!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

All these idiot politicians (from my home state) who have filed suits have had them dismissed because they were stupid in the first place. Pure grandstanding. And we don't need Hillary acting like she is our big friend when she assisted in placing the knife in our back to begin this debacle. What a lying,hypocritical shrew.

Posted by: Southern Old White Boy Against the Shrew | May 28, 2008 10:40 PM

Southern Old White Boy Against the Shrew
Love this signature and am glad you see the reality of the situation.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse


My understanding is the the Florida Republicans moved up the primary date. The voters certainly had nothing to do with it.

But the Comintern has selected its candidate. Too bad when Florida does get its chance, it will now go for McCain, as will Michigan. But that's par for the course to the blowdried idiots that run the Democratic Party. Losing, losing, and more losing. This helps them feel morally superior, I suppose, and that is more important than winning.

Posted by: Catherine | May 28, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Can some one tell me WHY FI & MI went early?

Posted by: Henry | May 28, 2008 10:24 PM

I think they wanted to have more of a say in the process by having an earlier primary. Nominations have tended to be a momentum thing where the presumptive winner is decided pretty early so Iowa and NH voters do have a great deal of influence.

I've never been sure why primaries aren't more like a general election where a period of months is given for candidates to campaign in all the states and then one date where they all vote. I guess this would be a big advantage for candidates who have raised the most money, though. Maybe that's why they were staggered? I don't know how it started that way or why but I am pretty sure that FL and MI wanted to go for a 'bigger voice' in the process.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Even if O and H decided to join forces and run against McCain on one ticket, the Dems would still find a way to shoot themselves in the foot.

The individual votes mean nothing - its all about the delegates.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

All these idiot politicians (from my home state) who have filed suits have had them dismissed because they were stupid in the first place. Pure grandstanding. And we don't need Hillary acting like she is our big friend when she assisted in placing the knife in our back to begin this debacle. What a lying,hypocritical shrew.

Posted by: Southern Old White Boy Against the Shrew | May 28, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Can some one tell me WHY FI & MI went early?

Posted by: Henry | May 28, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

all this writing and nothing said... just like our media in the country..open mouth, talk and all we hear is silence...

Posted by: Robinhood | May 28, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Florida and Michigan shouldn't have played "chicken" with their citizen's right to vote by moving up their election date in violation of, and in challeng to, the National Dem party.

OOPS they lost, and now they are pissed.

The answer is to split thedlegates 50% -50% between Clinton and Obama and seat the delegates.

..but wait... Hillary wants 100% based upon a flawed and un-sanctioned election in which many, many voters stayed home, and Hillary's voters went to the polls.

Clinton's self-serving lack of ethics is disgusting and partly why I'll NEVER vote for her in ANY national election for ANY position in the government.

Posted by: JBE | May 28, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Lots of typos in these posts. Sorry.

I know how to spell Americans, Halliburton, and Military. In a hurry. Sorry..

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

One more quick point about war and corporations. (Cause I have to sign off)

Dwight Eisenhower in his last speech to Amercians warned the country to "Beware of the Miliary Industrial Complex"

As someone who seems to respect only Republicans, think about that. What did he mean by the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX and why did he want America to be wary of it?

When you find the answer to that, you'll also find the answer to our wars and why there is no right and left or Republican/Democratic battle in American politics anymore (These 'battles' just exist for Rush Limbaugh to entertain us with).

It's those looking to serve and feed the miliatary industrial complex--both Republicans and Democrats--and those willing to stand up against it--both Republicans and Democrats.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Hallelujah!

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 28, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

"The present war I don't believe is over oil. If you think that the right is somehow benefiting by paying the same price at the pump as the left - you are nuts."

I know the oil companies are benefitting from the higher oil prices. You're making the mistake of thinking that wars are about our citizens. The higher prices benefit the oil companies just like the rebuilding of war torn countries benefits Haliburton. Who is connected with Haliburton. Could it be Cheney. Who is connected with the oil industries and thistight with the Saudis. Could it be both Bushes. Think so...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Rules committee choice ,,, SEAT or DEFEAT

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Not quite, b/c the racists will vote for anyone but...so conquering votes that way doesn't work.

By that I am sure you mean the racists voting for Obama because he is sort of black - right?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't trust your life to a backwoods DNC lawyer.

Posted by: American | May 28, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Right that explains all the Bush wars..

I do believe that Gulf one was over oil. America has never gone to war except to defend democracies - until then.

The present war I don't believe is over oil. If you think that the right is somehow benefiting by paying the same price at the pump as the left - you are nuts.

I do believe we went into Iraq under honorable circumstances. The 18 unanswered UN resolutions is reason enough. The specter of islamics getting wmds is enough. The only reason we didn't get hit with wmds on 9/11 was because they didn't have them.

That scared a lot of good respectable, honest people who are responsible for the protection of the rest of us.

Bush and his inner circle aside, a lot of people who are true patriots went along with the idea because they believed in it.

Overthrowing Hussein, killing his pschyo sons and freeing Iraq is something to be proud of. How the war has been handled since is certainly up for debate. The civilian deaths are sad - but this is a war and in war, sometimes the wrong people get killed. America does not kill innocent people on purpose or by policy.

We could have entered Iraq the way we entered Germany. It would certainly be over and there would certainly be less American deaths. But we didn't. And the grand experiment of selective warfare is yet to be proven. We know by our victories that all out war does work and works very effectively. Germany, Italy and Japan are now dependable allies. North Korea and Viet Nam are not.

I think it fine to criticize the present administration - thats what we are about. But to believe the thousands of high level, decent people - and the hundreds of thousands of lower lever decent people risking their lives are nothing more than mercenary killers does them a grave injustice. They deserve better.

Having said that, the idea that Clinton would do better ignores their involvement in the ramping up of extremist islam.

The idea that Obama should even be in the same room is insane.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

In this country every vote should count?

There are not formal rules or laws about when the primaries should be held - only traditions in case you did not know that.

DNC chairman Former Gov. Dean just decided to "enforce" an ambiguous tradition.

I challenge you to find any codified rule, regulation or law on the matter - it doesn't exist.

DNC "lawyers" are speaking with forked tongues.

All roads lead to another democrat defeat.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The Obama supporter, having "fought" and "won", now goes home knowing the submissive Hilliary supporter will now vote for Obama. And one more vote has been conquered?

Do I have that right?
Posted by: LookingForInclusion | May 28, 2008 8:33 PM

Not quite, b/c the racists will vote for anyone but...so conquering votes that way doesn't work.

Time will, though. My generation is less racist than the one before us. We are more educated, open and inclusive. And this trend will continue...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"Bush being a closet lefty"

Right that explains all the Bush wars for oil that benefit the oil industry. And what business brought the Bushes from CT to TX.
HMMM OIL? Oh, that's right. No connection there. If you think this is leftist politics you really are lost.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: EGGArgost
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"LOL LookingForInclusion, you got it nearly right... you're only wrong in that I'm still here. Which part of my blood would you like to attack... or defend first? Or better yet, should we stick to the FL-MI issue? I like the latter much better."

Hi EGGArgost,

I am as good as gone . . . we can skip right to the submission step . . . you can toss in some racial zingers . . . and I will promise never to vote or blog again!

So this is how Obama gets votes? . . . Who would have thought!

Posted by: LookingForInclusion | May 28, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Here's how screwed up the WaPo comments are.

My comment about bat-sh*t crazy hijackers was rejected (apparently because I didn't use an asterisk the first time) by the racist, hijack sh*t was let through.

Sigh.

OK. Again to those who hijack these WaPo comments.

Quit it. Just quit it. I mean, QUIT it. Quit it, please. Go to some other sandbox.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 28, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

"The only time a Clinton has pretended to be a centrist is when running in a general election. That is borne out by their policies"

Which policies bear this out? Haven't seen you mention any?

And if you think the CIA isn't involved in drug running you're living a fantasy. Forget Maxine Waters. Try reading the memoirs of people who have left the CIA who cover it in great detail. You can't fund covert wars without a substantive cash flow.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I will never be part of a party that takes the vote of the people so lightly. NEVER!

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 8:38 PM

Well that leaves you out of the two party system b/c the RNC also sanctioned their FL and MI delegations.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

LOL LookingForInclusion, you got it nearly right... you're only wrong in that I'm still here. Which part of my blood would you like to attack... or defend first? Or better yet, should we stick to the FL-MI issue? I like the latter much better.

Welcome to the discussion.

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

If one does not count FL and MI, do not kid yourself, it is disenfranchisement. As Al Gore liked to say here is the inconvenient truth. Count all votes per the constitution Hillary wins(popular vote), disenfranchise voters and Barack wins. That's a really bad situation to be in.
Posted by: thelaw | May 28, 2008 8:23 PM

Actually Barack wins either way, the popular vote is irrelevant either way and if it was disenfranchisement why did her supporters--who made up a majority of the committee--vote for it?

It is nothing like the General Election in 2000 because the media informed FL and MI in 2008 that their votes would not count prior to the primary.

This skewed the results which is the closest thing to a voter violation and the one thing that may stand up in court--on the side of having ALL the votes THROWN OUT. The RNC and DNC deciding to sanction states that violated their rules is absolutely NOT a Constitutional or any kind of voter violation. This is why the case was thrown out and why any other case--based on these grounds--will be dismissed.

If you were a lawyer, you would know this , so I guess 'THE LAW' thing is a joke. The law as Hillary would like it to be maybe. But wait, SHE'S ABOVE THE LAW.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

thelaw, thanks for bringing back some sense to the discussion.

I am an Independent with a conservative streak (I was once a Republican). The Bush Administrations have seriously hurt the Republican party by alienating all Americans. The Democratic party failed miserably in 2000, and once again in 2004. The last election should have been won by the Democrats, but the process was conducted all wrong. The DNC allowed the media to take control of the courtship a candidate should have with the electorate.

What the Republicans did in Florida seemed like the worst thing one could do against the electorate. Now that Democrats are talking about disenfranchising voters... well, that appears to me as a low blow, one I never thought possible.

You see, I believe that what should really happen is that voters in FL and MI should go back to the drawing board; let them vote again. That should be their punishment; but not disenfranchisement.

I will never be part of a party that takes the vote of the people so lightly. NEVER!

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Bill may have started out being left-wingers but became decidedly more centrist--and CIA friendly--when they supported the CIA's drug running through the Mena AK airport in the 80s

That is an idiotic accusation. Not against the Clinton's - whom I personally believe that there is nothing beneath them - but against the CIA. There are more patriots in the CIA than in the democrat party. You ha ve no proof of the drug running - other than it sounds good, supports your theories and you just KNOW its true. Maybe you should spend less time listening to lunatic whack jobs like Maxine Waters.

The only time a Clinton has pretended to be a centrist is when running in a general election. That is borne out by their policies, and especially by their appointments.

If they were right leaning - they certainly would have appointed some blacks to cabinet level positions other than the token Ron Brown.

I think what ever adventures the Bush/Clinton team engaged in were more due to Bush being a closet lefty than Clinton having right leanings.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Cool!!!

Finally found a site with all those racial overtones they have been talking about!

So, how does this work exactly?

(a) The Obama supporter accuses the blogger of being racist?

(b) Then the blogger apologizes to the Obama supporter, in a display of submission?

(c) Then the Obama supporter relentlessly shames the blogger with insults and taunts?

(d) The blogger then goes away and does not remember this, having discovered this friendly inclusive transcendental "party within a party" called ObaMaMania?

(e) The Obama supporter, having "fought" and "won", now goes home knowing the submissive Hilliary supporter will now vote for Obama. And one more vote has been conquered?

Do I have that right?

Posted by: LookingForInclusion | May 28, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

thelaw

has left the building.

With common sense, fairness, and honor right behind him.

Only to be replaced by big fat hypocrisy.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

If one does not count FL and MI, do not kid yourself, it is disenfranchisement. As Al Gore liked to say here is the inconvenient truth. Count all votes per the constitution Hillary wins(popular vote), disenfranchise voters and Barack wins. That's a really bad situation to be in.

Posted by: thelaw | May 28, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

What is an EGG Argost?

That sounds like some foreign stuff.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA ISN'T BLACK

HE'S MIXED.

HE'S AS WHITE AS HE IS BLACK, MAYBE MORE.

Posted by: WHITEY | May 28, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse


Anonymous, you're really dense, aren't you? I never claimed to be African American. Do you really think that they only people of Negro blood are African Americans? Seriously dude, stop the racial talk, there's no reason for it, and you obviously aren't knowledgeable enough to discuss it.

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:57 PM

YOU BROUGHT UP RACE. YOU SAID "He is not fit to be a president, now or ever. Not because he is black, but because he doesn't have the right reasons to be a president."

In linguistics, this is called a TELL. You said it's NOT because of a very specific reason but then say it is becasue of a very vague reason. This means it IS because of the specific reason you stated--RACE. You gave yourself away.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

ejgallagher1, you and Anonymous must be buddies. I'm ignoring you both henceforth.

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, you're really dense, aren't you? I never claimed to be African American. Do you really think that they only people of Negro blood are African Americans? Seriously dude, stop the racial talk, there's no reason for it, and you obviously aren't knowledgeable enough to discuss it.

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, are you so bored that you just say things for the sake of saying them? And by the way, you still owe me an apology for calling me racist. Don't rush, you can provide it when Obama loses the general election.

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:54 PM

YOU ONLY STILL CONTINUE TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE RACIST.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

ejgallagher1, why are you paying attention to polls so far away from the general election? Those polls don't make any sense until there's a confirmed candidate. Moreover, didn't you learn anything from NH? Polls can be a house of cards. Think about it...

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:50 PM

HILLARY IS THE ONE CROWING ABOUT GE POLLS. THAT AND ASSASSINATION ARE HER TWO STATED REASONS FOR CONTINUING THE RACE.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, are you so bored that you just say things for the sake of saying them? And by the way, you still owe me an apology for calling me racist. Don't rush, you can provide it when Obama loses the general election.

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

My skin is darker than Obama's. My family's blood is Black, Native American, and European. I will not vote for him now or ever simply because he's not trustworthy. Just like I never voted for Bush, and wouldn't if he could run again; I can genuinely say that I wouldn't vote for him, now or ever.

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:39 PM

If you are African American, you might want to stop saying things like JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. And you are still really short on other reasons. You find him untrustworthy?
NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK, though, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

ejgallagher1, why are you paying attention to polls so far away from the general election? Those polls don't make any sense until there's a confirmed candidate. Moreover, didn't you learn anything from NH? Polls can be a house of cards. Think about it...

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that knows anything about the caucus/primary process knows that a caucus is not representative of the state's total electorate. Caucuses always draw very low numbers of voters, and that's a fact... Look it up buddy.
Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:43 PM

If the numbers are so low, why does Hillary not include them in her popular vote total? Look it up, BUDDY

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

WackaDoodle, we are having you for Thanksgiving dinner. Would you prefer to be stuffed with cornbread or sweet apples?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"You have got to be kidding..Clinton's republican background? You must mean her republican protests against the war - or her republican rants against Nixon. If she is a closet case - she is indeed the world's smartest woman."

Hillary and Bill may have started out being left-wingers but became decidedly more centrist--and CIA friendly--when they supported the CIA's drug running through the Mena AK airport in the 80s.

You are trapped in this Rush Limbaugh battle of any Democrat being a Socialist and a Marxist just because their is a D next to their name.

If so, what in Clinton's Presidency indicates socialism? Or even that he governed as a liberal Democrat? NOTHING. B/c he isn't one. And neither is Hillary.
That's why they have the support of the military industrial complex and why she doesn't get asked the tough questions like the millions Bill is getting from foreign leaders for future government influence.

Ever wonder why the Clintons and Bushes are so close? Why GHWB and Bill are just best buds. It's right in front of you...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama was referring to 57 contests. 50 states plus DC,Guam,Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Democrats Abroad, US Virgin Islands and Unassigned. Hillary campaigned and has delegates, regular or super from all of the above and the earlier post attacking Obama about the other seven fails to note this. It also looks like she is certainly making a big deal out of Puerto Rico whose demographics and ties to New York favor her. The bottom line on the rules contest is that she pledged to follow them until se was behind and counts a victory where major reputable candidates (Edwards and Obama) were not on the ballot. We saw that early here in Iowa where Obama now is 9 points ahead of McCain in the latest Survey USA poll--they didn't even bother to poll on a race of her versus McCain but earlier polls showed her behind and him ahead. He also now wins California by 7 points over McCain (55 electoral votes) while she is only 3 points up. So much for the more electable argument. Her trip to Disney Parks was probably confined to Fantasyland.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | May 28, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that knows anything about the caucus/primary process knows that a caucus is not representative of the state's total electorate. Caucuses always draw very low numbers of voters, and that's a fact... Look it up buddy.

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is:

I am with Obama all the way, no matter what he says about me!

Signed,
The WackaDoodle

P.S. - Barack, what are we having for Thanksgiving dinner?

Posted by: Wackadoodle | May 28, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

My skin is darker than Obama's. My family's blood is Black, Native American, and European. I will not vote for him now or ever simply because he's not trustworthy. Just like I never voted for Bush, and wouldn't if he could run again; I can genuinely say that I wouldn't vote for him, now or ever.

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I believe the DNC is TRYING to HIDE or COVER UP something they did wrong in the last two elections.

Posted by: politicalone | May 28, 2008 7:14 PM

The RNC also penalized FL and MI for the same reason. Every state cannot have their primary on the same day or candidates would not have time to go to the states to campaign.

There has to be a schedule and rules to the process. FL and MI were WARNED by both parties what would happen and they moved the primaries up anyway.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The political parties, both Democrats and Republicans, are not part of the government. Certainly, they need to strive to be fair to their members, in order to gain their support. But the political parties are not bound by the same laws as our government. They can choose candidates, or delegates, however they want. A "vote" in a primary is not the same thing at all as a "vote" in the general election.

Posted by: Arjuna9 | May 28, 2008 7:29 PM

Arjuna9 is right. No court will even take this case. The DNC has the absolute right to decide, as did the RNC which also penalized FL and MI

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see the DNC lawyers PROVE their allegations ...

Of course lawyers NEVER LIE ... Do they ????

Posted by: American | May 28, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"Barack can NOT win the electoral vote."

BASED ON WHAT?

POLLS FIVE MONTHS OUT FROM THE ELECTION?

POLLS FIVE MONTHS AGO SAID HILLARY WOULD WIN THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION BY A LANDSLIDE?

DID THIS HAPPEN AND I MISSED IT?

PLEASE EXPLAIN B/C POLLS ARE ALWAYS ACCURATE FIVE MONTHS OUT, RIGHT?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The political parties, both Democrats and Republicans, are not part of the government. Certainly, they need to strive to be fair to their members, in order to gain their support. But the political parties are not bound by the same laws as our government. They can choose candidates, or delegates, however they want. A "vote" in a primary is not the same thing at all as a "vote" in the general election.

Posted by: Arjuna9 | May 28, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"Gosh I never thought I'd say this, but if MI and FL are disenfranchised, even slightly"

You also might want to ask your white friend Hillary why she supported these sanctions until she was losing and why she 'disenfranchises' caucus voters when she refuses to count them in her popular vote 'lead' (b/c it wouldn't be a lead if she did count their votes).

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Barack can NOT win the electoral vote.

YES you CAN'T!!!

Posted by: American | May 28, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

"He is not fit to be a president, now or ever. Not because he is black, but because he doesn't have the right reasons to be a president."

If he is not fit to be President 'now or ever' b/c he doesn't have the 'right reasons' couldn't he come up with the 'right reasons' later that he lacks now? UNLESS ONE OF THOSE REASONS IS RACE--WHICH HE CAN'T CHANGE.

YOUR COVER HAS BEEN BLOWN EGGArgost

AND A RACIST AMERICAN IS NOT A GOOD AMERICAN, NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

"I now agree with Bill Clinton that there SEEMS TO BE some type of "COVER UP" to push Obama ahead."

Right, a cover up Hillary and her staffers were CLEARLY IN ON SINCE THEY VOTED FOR THE SANCTIONS AND WERE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THEM UNTIL THEY WERE LOSING.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Now DNC lawyers are saying that Florida and Michigan should get no more than 50% of their delegates. They wait this long to say anything. Together with the DNC, these lawyers are playing politics. They are preparing the way for what we all know it's going to happen this Saturday: a lame attempt by the DNC to appear that they are concerned about the voters in FL and MI.

The DNC and the entire Democratic leadership will have a huge surprise this November when their star-child is defeated.

I'm beginning to get annoyed by Democrats that are changing their language about Obama. He is not fit to be a president, now or ever. Not because he is black, but because he doesn't have the right reasons to be a president. Obama is looking out for Obama. He is not getting my vote, and he is not going to get the vote of many Democrats.

If you're a Democrat and in your heart you believe that Obama isn't the best option, you shouldn't even go vote in November. The DNC and the media need to know that we are not to be toyed with. As long as we allow this kind of games to be played on the American people, they will feel they can manipulate us to move in the direction that best fits their interests.

Gosh I never thought I'd say this, but if MI and FL are disenfranchised, even slightly:
BE A GOOD AMERICAN AND DON'T VOTE THIS NOVEMBER!!!

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Now DNC lawyers are saying that Florida and Michigan should get no more than 50% of their delegates. They wait this long to say anything. Together with the DNC, these lawyers are playing politics. They are preparing the way for what we all know it's going to happen this Saturday: a lame attempt by the DNC to appear that they are concerned about the voters in FL and MI.

The DNC and the entire Democratic leadership will have a huge surprise this November when their star-child is defeated.

I'm beginning to get annoyed by Democrats that are changing their language about Obama. He is not fit to be a president, now or ever. Not because he is black, but because he doesn't have the right reasons to be a president. Obama is looking out for Obama. He is not getting my vote, and he is not going to get the vote of many Democrats.

If you're a Democrat and in your heart you believe that Obama isn't the best option, you shouldn't even go vote in November. The DNC and the media need to know that we are not to be toyed with. As long as we allow this kind of games to be played on the American people, they will feel they can manipulate us to move in the direction that best fits their interests.

Gosh I never thought I'd say this: BE A GOOD AMERICAN AND DON'T VOTE THIS NOVEMBER!!!

Posted by: EGGArgost | May 28, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the person who filed this suit that he should appeal the decision.

I believe that the DNC has clearly violated the 'Voters Rights Act' for Florida and Michigan.

What is a vote if it does not count?

I now agree with Bill Clinton that there SEEMS TO BE some type of "COVER UP" to push Obama ahead.

It is funny Nevada and South Carolina were not severely penalized such as Florida and Michigan.

I believe the DNC is TRYING to HIDE or COVER UP something they did wrong in the last two elections.

Posted by: politicalone | May 28, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

What happens if this debate over FL and MI goes to the convention . . . and somebody requests the nomination be "stayed" and the process be "litigated"?

Surely, with so much liberty (i.e. - power) at stake, this case would quickly (inside of a month) make it's way to the Supreme Court.

Then, either we will be too late to submit the candidate's names to the states, to place on the ballots. OR the Supreme Court, in place of the voters, gets to select a president again.

Not attractive propositions.

As in American politics, the majority must bend to appease the minority. Thus, sure looks like Obama is going to be doing a lot of bending over, if he wants his name on the ballots in 48 states (FL and MI are lost causes for him at this point).

Posted by: Worried | May 28, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

mike - you have got to be kidding..Clinton's republican background? You must mean her republican protests against the war - or her republican rants against Nixon. If she is a closet case - she is indeed the world's smartest woman.

No, its more like she is in the way of someone finally more socialist and blacker than any Clinton could dream of. That makes her republican, I suppose.


You people are amazing. If Obama was not in the race, she would be your hero. It just goes to prove how baseless most leftie accusations are. They are not worth the fart with which they are delivered.

With regards to the southern opposition to voting rights for blacks - it was indeed the white democrats who fought it tooth and nail. Its vestiges can be seen today in the total absence of blacks appointed to cabinet positions by dems.

It can be seen today by the acceptance of a KKKer in your midst.

Pretty disgusting.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Rules are for other people, not republicans. Just ask cheney. So when you talk bigotry, get the right party.

Interesting you bring up Cheney since, after the treatment I've received on these blogs, I now consider blue state Democrats the chickenhawks who would just as soon send red state Democrats off to die fighting Republicans and rather than help us in the battle, shoot us instead.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

6:29, 6:40, I beleive you should learn some history. The Southern Democrats that "Johnson forced" civil rights on are now the Southern Republicans. Beginning with the Dixiecrats in the 50s and following with Nixon's southern strategy in the 60s, southern dems switched over to a party more to their bigoted thinking, the republican. As far as counting the Fla and Mich votes, rules are rules and Democrats usually follow them, except when hillary thinks it is advantageous not to. That is her republican background kicking in. Rules are for other people, not republicans. Just ask cheney. So when you talk bigotry, get the right party.

Posted by: mike l | May 28, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

racist rants, sorry...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

And no name from you,... is that so we don't report that Obama staffers are continually on the WaPo boards 'posing' .. .Lord knows his staffers don't need to do any real work since he hasn't shown up for work or gone to 80% of the votes since he's been in the Senate
Posted by: | May 28, 2008 6:23 PM

This is SO clever, especially since--by law--Senatorial (or any Congressional) staffers cannot also work on a political campaign. But I guess you didn't know that since you're another DUMBASS Hillary supporter or just a generally dumb racist --such a surprise!

And IowaTreasures took off very quickly without disputing the fact that he/she/it is a Clinton staffer. There's nothing wrong with staffers posting here--of course--but staffers posting racing rants--as Iowatreasures did repeatedly--would make an interesting story. I guess he/she/it thought so too and took off.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

except for Dearborn, Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and wherever KKK Byrd is standing - yes, they are red.

For the record, it is a terribly twisted concept to refer to the socialist laden, welfare dependent, left wing disasters as blue and the middle, mainstream America as red.

That was indeed a coup for the lefties. You know, the ones who hate being called liberal almost as much as they hate truth in general.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Hi Matt,

So Michigan, Pennsylvania and West Virginia are "red" states? . . . I don't follow

Posted by: TheWorkingClass | May 28, 2008 6:31 PM
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who was that directed at.. i hope it wasn't me, i didnt say anything regarding that.

Posted by: Matt E. | May 28, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Hi Matt,

So Michigan, Pennsylvania and West Virginia are "red" states? . . . I don't follow

Posted by: TheWorkingClass | May 28, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

This is similar to LBJ forcing the voting rights act on the democrats in the south. Without that, the democrats would have been happy to keep blacks out of the system. Now it looks as though it will take the threat of intervention to give the people of Florida and Michigan their votes.

Maybe there does need to be judicial intervention. If Hillary is elected, there will certainly need to be judicial intervention to ensure that the left will finally appoint people of color to important positions. They sure haven't done it in the past.

The delegates being worth one half a vote certainly looks like the democrat party of old where they kept black people at fractional value. More contemporary, it resemble the muslims who determine that a female is only fractionally worth what a male is.

And the right are bigots.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

And in case you ask why my name is missing.. well i forgot to include it.. its Matt

Posted by: Matt E | May 28, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

It isn't over until the Convention.
Iowatreasures | May 28, 2008 5:46 PM

IT'S OVER JUNE 3RD, AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT. BETTER START LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB, Iowatreasures

And if I see any more posts from you I'm e-mailing WA Post and telling them a Clinton staffer is continually on their boards 'posing' Good Story, I think. Especially the racist rants.

Posted by: | May 28, 2008 5:50 PM
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And no name from you,... is that so we don't report that Obama staffers are continually on the WaPo boards 'posing' .. .Lord knows his staffers don't need to do any real work since he hasn't shown up for work or gone to 80% of the votes since he's been in the Senate

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

No one on this thread is going to change anyone's mind on these issues.... The Rules Committee meets in less than 72 hours and they just received a 38 page opinion from the Democratic Party lawyers that advised them to seat half the delegates from each state - or, all the delegates with one-half vote each, as did the Republicans in Florida.

That is what the Rules Committee will do.

Everyone on that Committee, from Howard Dean on up, has stated for months that the voters from MI & FL would be represented in Denver -- the legal opinion gives them precisely the "cover" they need to do what they said that they would do, and it will save them from the slings and arrows of the bulk of the supporters of either candidate.

Posted by: ScrewABunch of FlagPins | May 28, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

working class - you just described red America.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse


Clearly, capitalism is a failed system.

For those too lazy to work and achieve.

My brothers, embrace comrade Obama as your next president.

Socialism has never worked for the working class anywhere it has never been tried. So, when a Harvard educated socialist suggest change - look out. It is not you he wants to help.

Keep in mind, he is a muslim. Islam is not addressed in the constitution or in Jefferson's "wall of separation" letters, so there will be no worries when sharia law is offered (initially) as an option.

We need to bring about change.

We need to change the bank accounts of all those who have worked hard, invested and risked to those who are lazy, too stupid to invest and to cowardly to risk anything.

Si!! Se puede!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, capitalism is a failed system.

My brothers, embrace comrade Obama as your next president.

We need to bring about change.

Posted by: American Manifesto | May 28, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

you people cannot even run a campaign - you want to govern America?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

To all my better educated, higher-income, transcendental urban liberals:

Thank you for making it clear how unimportant the following are . . .

(1) Florida voters
(2) Michigan voters
(3) People from Kentucky
(4) Non-college educated people
(5) Working class white people
(6) Rural folks
(7) Reagan Democrats
(8) Independents
(9) Family values
(10) Everybody in West Virginia
(11) Everybody in Pennsylvania but Philadelphians
(12) The Military
(13) Veterans
(14) Women
(15) Retirees

Quite a list . . . surely it is but a minor cross-section of America.

With appreciation!
Signed,
The Rest-of-the-Working-Class

Posted by: TheWorkingClass | May 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

It isn't over until the Convention.
Iowatreasures | May 28, 2008 5:46 PM

IT'S OVER JUNE 3RD, AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT. BETTER START LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB, Iowatreasures

And if I see any more posts from you I'm e-mailing WA Post and telling them a Clinton staffer is continually on their boards 'posing' Good Story, I think. Especially the racist rants.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Someone asked on one of the WP boards when the Rules Committee will meet on Saturday.

I heard CNN awhile ago say that it will be at 9.a.m. and CNN will cover it, Christ Matthews also said he would cover it.

If the Rules Committee ends up with a decision of a 50-50 split, then that would mean there decision wouldn't make any difference.

If they can't get it right, it could go to the Convention where a committee would be put together by vote at the Convention, who would decide if 100% of the FL and MI delegates would be counted.

It isn't over until the Convention. Hang onto your hats. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 28, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"They weren't going to give you a chance to pick a Democrat President . . . Please help us pick a Republican President!"

The RNC sanctioned FL and MI too. Try and learn something about your own party or general current events. Seriously...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Dear Floridians and Michiganians,

We conservatives would like your vote in November. We believe you should have a right to help shape America . . .

We value your vote, respect your rights and hope you will give us a look.

*They weren't going to give you a chance to pick a Democrat President . . . Please help us pick a Republican President!

Posted by: Smiling | May 28, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Seating 1/2 of the delegates would bring up another reason to fight - because who would decide which delegates - the ones all favorable to Obama?"
Posted by: Iowatreasures

They're apportioned BASED ON THE VOTE. HELLO?!!! No human being is this stupid, seriously.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Someone here said, but I can't find their comment now: "All the more reason to end this nonsense, stop adding insult to injury, and seat 1/2 the delegates as the rules in effect at the time called for. Why continue to alienate general election voters for something that's academic?"
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Seating 1/2 of the delegates would bring up another reason to fight - because who would decide which delegates - the ones all favorable to Obama? I don't think they should leave anyone out, but if they go this one-half route, it should be a half vote per delegate, not a new opportunity for Obama to skewer the election as he sees fit.

Neither Obama or Hillary can win without the super delegates. This thing isn't over until the Convention. Sorry, you Obama/Axelrod people can't force Hillary out so easily.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is a candidate for the Presidence of the United States of America. She will place her hand on the bible and vow to protect and defend our country. Who will Obama vow to protect and defend? He has already said he will side with the muslims if things got politically ugly.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 28, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Floridians are made up of people from many states.

Living in Florida does not make one dumb nor does one have to be dumb to move here.

The climate is great.

We do not take kindly to name callers or those that THINK they are more intelligent.

The simple FACTS are Barack will not / can not carry enough states with the electoral votes to win the presidency.

He is even likely to run third with a viable INDEPENDENT in the running.

No matter what you call us ... Barackacrats
.... you lose in November.

Posted by: American | May 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"It bothers me how the elitists, including Barack and Michelle Obama, and our DNC leaders talk down about people in West Virginia and Kentucky, saying they are uneducated, uninformed, etc."
Iowatreasures

ROTFLMAO!!!!! No one is buying this. Does the Clinton campaign pay you by the post? This stuff is so scripted! Talk about talking DOWN TO PEOPLE.

YOU LOST HILLARY!! Barack will not be paying for Iowatreasures posts! That comes out your own pocket.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"This is a really, really significant issue to women. Obviously it's a significant item to people of color too. So I'm just preparing myself as best I can," said Huffman, president of the California NAACP."

Ms. Huffman should know that it's pretty damned important to this white male, too!

Posted by: FLDem | May 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

iowatreasure:
"they should all admit that mistake and apologize to the Florida and Michigan voters and insist that their delegates and votes be counted."

No. There is no way that way that FL and MI will get all their delegates seated. First off, the lawyers have said that legally, according to DNC rules, they are not allowed to seat more than half of them. And second, if the DNC doesn't enforce some kind of punishment, then what happens in 2012? Massive chaos.

"Now, the Obama camp wants to negate both state's votes and delegates, because of the 'rules.'"

Yes, the rules. The very same rules that Hillary also agreed to

"on the premise that her candidacy is hurting the Democratic Party."

That's no premise.

"Hillary didn't make the plans, she is campaigning as she should for the Presidency"

Clearly she's not, because she's not winning. She ran her campaign initally as though it was a foregone conclusion that she would be the nominee, and that killed her.

"it is not a crowning and crowing of King Obama, who would be the first Dictator of the United States."

Give me a break.

Posted by: Craig | May 28, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

We should turn the government over to the commies. The Boshelvik Revolution is about to hit America yet.
We are the proleteriat. Comrades rise against the capitalist pigs.

Posted by: The Racist Scare | May 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

IowaTreasures has a job as a low-level Clinton staffer posing as a hardworking American, white American Clinton supporter

He or she cuts and pastes long ridiculous posts on multiple blogs.

My favorite part of this latest b.s. post is where IowaTreasures puts quotes around:

the "rules."

like

the "Constitution"

the "Law"

I mean of what use are those silly things anyway? Not if they stand in Hillary's way.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

We should turn to a Mexican.

Maybe someone like Antonio Villaraigosa.

Wrong - we should turn to an American like Tom Tancredo.

At least he understands what a border means.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Nedra Pickler, Associated Press writer said in her article today:

. . . there is an option to restore 100 percent of the delegates -- by a recommendation of the Credentials Committee that meets later this summer. However, that would mean a final decision would not be made until the first day of the convention in Denver since Credentials Committee decisions have to be approved by the full convention as it convenes -- risking a floor fight.

Alice Huffman, a member of the Rules and Bylaws Committee from California who is supporting Clinton, said she has been barraged with e-mails in the past few weeks. She said the senders include Floridians who are upset that they are being disenfranchised, and she has started printing out the messages so she'll have a record to explain her decision.

"This is a really, really significant issue to women. Obviously it's a significant item to people of color too. So I'm just preparing myself as best I can," said Huffman, president of the California NAACP.

The shoe shipments are being organized by WalkAMileInOurShoes.org and1 the orange idea was promoted by a group called Florida Demands Representation, which plans to bus Floridians to Saturday's rally outside the meeting. Blaine Whitford, a volunteer helping organize the effort, said they are unaligned with any candidate.

Susie Buell, one of Clinton's top fundraisers, has formed a political action committee encouraging women to support full seating of the delegates. The WomenCountPAC has taken out ads in USA Today and The New York Times promoting attendance at the rally.
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Iowatreasures says:

Something was left out of this article, it seems, before the bit about the orange shoes?

When people say, OMG, if it goes to the Convention, we may have a "floor fight," and some may become rowdy and threaten that people are trying to steal the nomination away from Obama.

If we, as Americans, can allow our young people to go to war to be killed and maimed, we can certainly put up with a little rowdy floor fight at the Convention.

It is right that people are passionate about this Presidential Election. We have a lot at stake here - our country's security, our standing in the world to be restored, an economy that is broken, our political party that is irrevocably fractured. disenfranchised voters, an addition of 7 states that we weren't even aware of, a health care industry that is broken, a candidate that has been buying the super delegates - with thousands upon thousands of dollars paid to them for their "campaigns."

We all know the program. The Convention is a good part of our election process. Don't under play its significance just because it is another excuse to force Hillary out of the race.

Hillary and her supporters must stand strong, for America, for ourselves. It bothers me how the elitists, including Barack and Michelle Obama, and our DNC leaders talk down about people in West Virginia and Kentucky, saying they are uneducated, uninformed, etc., and that rural and small town people are "bitter" and turn to God and their guns for solace.

I look at American people as a family that cares about each other, and are doing everything they can to make a good life for their children, and for themselves.

As it should be. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 28, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"All the more reason to end this nonsense, stop adding insult to injury, and seat 1/2 the delegates as the rules in effect at the time called for. Why continue to alienate general election voters for something that's academic?"

I think they will seat half the FL delegation and should have done so to begin with. In fact, it is so academic that even if they seated the full FL and MI delegations--and gave no MI delegates to Obama--it would not change the equation that = Obama as the nominee.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Here's the problem with politics:

McCain is too old - he will die in the White House.

Obama is a racist and a liar.

Clinton is manipulative and has a win-at-all costs attitude.

Therefore, I don't like any of these candidates. What does this tell you. Well old white people, black people, and a woman will not solve America's problems.

We should turn to a Mexican.

Maybe someone like Antonio Villaraigosa.

Posted by: Independent Voter | May 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"ONE MORE TIME ..
Republican legislature and republican governor in Florida set the primary .....
Republicans set a trap and the DNC fell for it.
Since the DNC didn't count all our votes,

Wait a minute - I thought the left was the party of intellectuals and the right was populated with knuckle draggers???

How does the left keep getting duped by the "morons" on the right?

Could it be that this is the unintended outcome of outcome based education?

Jeez, how do you think B Hussein or Hill will do in a one on one with a truly formidable adversary when the knuckle dragging right has their way with them as if they were plied with date rape drugs?

I can hear the state if the union speech now.

My fellow Americans, I regret to inform you that a large portion of the continental US is no longer sovereign territory. I am sorry - but those evil right wing Chinese tricked me. But don't worry - they promised me that the North Korean labor camps will not be erected near waterways and will comply with all EPA regulations.

So, have a nice day and may your deity or non deity of choice see you through. As for me - life is still good. So remember brothers and sisters - when I looks good, you feels good.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

well mr 'Ha... on Hillary, at least she doesn;t have to try to portray herself as a true American.

Posted by: ziggy | May 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of the babbling going on here for and against one candidate or the other, we should stop and look at facts. Stop thinking about who the current situation benefits or penalizes as far as candidates and think about the situation as a whole. Why on earth should four, small states that are not overwhelmingly characteristic of the US population, non are particularly urban, two are almost entirely white and all are largely suburban and rural. Vegas does not count as a real city people. So the Democratic Party has set rules. Let's look at those rules. They are elitist. They support mechanisms such as caucuses which every person on earth will admit disenfranchises the poor, the disabled and folks who are less educated. We then set crazy rules about delegates and super-delegates. Then e give preferential treatment on order of the nominating process favoring these four states and leaving out millions upon millions of voters and then tell candidates that they should drop out even when millions of votes remain to be cast or when realistically they may win the most votes. So yes, in this situation one candidate will prevail, one will lose. That is fine. But at the end of the day we should all be ashamed at the disgusting elitist practices of the so-called Democratic Party. You can be a party of the people and then say, but we don't want you to have the right to vote because you broke our crazy rules. Dems claim that poor white people voting Republican makes no sense...I would tend to agree. However, I'm starting to think the same of Dems who would rather not bother with having actual elections. They claim they are better on the issues and its all about the issues, but if they have no principles to stand on I see no reason to trust them on non-binding stances on the
"issues." Dems better wake-up and RADICALLY change these idiotic rules otherwise they don't deserve their existence and many people will see it that way.

Posted by: Sean | May 28, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Hillary didn't make the plans
Posted by: iowatreasures | May 28, 2008 5:01 PM

Hillary did 'make the plans'--try and get out of your delusional box and step into reality. The committee that voted for sanctions, was stacked with her staffers including Howard Wolfson. They voted for sanctions, Hillary signed off on and she can't change the rules because she lost. It is unethical and immoral.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

No but the RNC stripped millions of THEIR OWN VOTERS IN FL.

- Yes, but only the 50% that their rules called for at the time and the RNC actually had the power to make the FL legislature blink because of numbers. Instead, they decided to sit back and watch the DNC shoot itself.

Again - it's academic. The nominee was and is chosen. With or without Florida. The Florida votes did not and do not matter."

- Maybe not for the primary, but the DNC can't dismiss them in November. Well, they can, but that's really known as spotting the Republicans 27 electoral votes.

AND EVEN WITH FL, THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE WILL NOT CHANGE. THIS MAKES IT ALSO ACADEMIC. YOU NEED TO LEARN BASIC LOGIC.

- All the more reason to end this nonsense, stop adding insult to injury, and seat 1/2 the delegates as the rules in effect at the time called for. Why continue to alienate general election voters for something that's academic?

Posted by: FLDem | May 28, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

To those commenting about Obama's brain fart where he misspoke about Nazi concentration camps:

The Nazis were an evil regime.
People forget that America and the USSR were one the same side. They were our brothers in arms.

So it doesn't matter whether it was US troops or the Red Army that liberated the Jews. They are one and the same.

And to Jewish people who refuse to vote for Obama because he mistook one concentration for another, get real. Every concentration camp was the same. You should be grateful that the US Army and the Red Army saved your butts.

This article is clearly a ploy by a desparate Clinton campaign. So pathetic. Hillary - get lost. We don't need your kind of politics anymore.

Posted by: Obamacrat | May 28, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ziggy,

Did your uncle dodge sniper fire in Bosnia...just ask Monica

Posted by: Hating on Hillary | May 28, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

At least I didn't have an uncle (or was it great-uncle?) who liberated Auschwitz (or was it Dachau, or Bergen-Belsen) in Germany (or was it Poland?). I'll check with my pastor.

Posted by: ziggy | May 28, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures...get a job

Posted by: Hating on Hillary | May 28, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

If you are reading this you probably have too much time on your hands.

Posted by: IrishJazz | May 28, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Ben said: "Maybe it's just me, but I thought that both states were advised as to what would happen if they held their primaries prior to February 5th. I also thought that both candidates agreed to stand behind the DNC's decision. How is it now that Hillary wants to cry foul?"
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Hillary isn't crying foul, she is admitting she, Hillary, and the DNC and the candidates and the elitists that stole the Democratic Party from the American people, made a mistake and they should all admit that mistake and apologize to the Florida and Michigan voters and insist that their delegates and votes be counted.

There was a higher turnout than usual, so not many people stayed home. There were a lot of different scenarios where people's votes don't count, such as Iowa caucus and other caucus's where there is only a two hour window to attend and vote at the caucuses.

That leaves out many night shift workers, older people, and women with children who can't find a sitter - they don't have an absentee ballot system for those people.

Howard Dean, in August 2006, in a meeting in Chicago, Illinois, said that anyone who buys campaign advertisement in FL or MI will not have any delegates counted. They also said that the candidates would not campaign in those states.

Howard Dean didn't say the delegates would not be counted under any circumstance, he said only if they campaigned or paid for campaign advertising.

Obama/Axelrod very cleverly paid for advertising nation-wide, knowing those campaign ads would run in Florida and Michigan 8 to 10 times a day for two weeks. Obama should get no delegates, according to the DNC rule.

The Obama camp also sent out "talking points memos" to some people like CNN's Wolf Blitzer telling voters in MI to vote "uncommitted" for Barack Obama. Wolf Blitzer did tell people that scenario on a 24/7 basis for weeks before the MI vote.

Now, the Obama camp wants to negate both state's votes and delegates, because of the "rules." They also want to shut down Hillary's campaign before a nominee is decided, before the Convention, on the premise that her candidacy is hurting the Democratic Party.

Hillary has seventeen million plus supporters who don't want her to quit before the Convention - before the Committee who decides some things even are voted into their prospective committee. That won't happen until the Convention.

If the DNC wanted to have more time between the Convention and the General Election, they should have thought of that beforehand when they were making their plans.

Hillary didn't make the plans, she is campaigning as she should for the Presidency, and nearly twenty million of her supporters want her to stay in the race - through the Convention. The Convention is part of the nomination process, it is not a crowning and crowing of King Obama, who would be the first Dictator of the United States. As Michelle says, "Barack will not let you stay in your comfort zone." Michelle is telling like it is. And the GOP have an October "surprise," - a video of Michelle at the lectern of Rev. Wright, railing about how she hates "whiteys." gw.

Posted by: iowatreasures | May 28, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"YOU IDIOT DO NOT KNOW YOUR AMERICAN HISTORY AND YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT....

Posted by: LYNN PARKER | May 28, 2008 3:10 PM"

Please, grace us with your wisdom Lynn... tell us all how much we don't know about American history and then tell us why we should believe anything you write considering the fact that your writing couldn't pass muster in a third grade grammar class!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: | May 28, 2008 4:52 PM", whom I suspect is also called Nor'Easter, I'm an Obama supporter and I oppose our being in Iraq. The difference between you and I is that I lost one son there and have another back wounded. You, on the other hand, are a blithering idiot, a moron, a coward, a sunshine patriot with the morals of a goat supporting a President who sacrified my sons and thousands upon thousands of other lives and bodies for some lame "legacy". There was never a good reason for our involvement in Iraq. We destabalized the entire region when we took out Sadam Hussein. It will restabalize when we leave and another brutal dictator takes charge, murders opponents, and brings some degree of stability to that hellhole once again. That that dictator will hate our guts and cost you even more for the gas in your SUV, goes without saying. THAT is Bush's legacy, that is the result of your thoughtless support for this fool.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | May 28, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

If you are reading this you probably have too much time on your hands.

Posted by: IrishJazz | May 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

No but the RNC stripped millions of THEIR OWN VOTERS IN FL.

Again - it's academic. The nominee was and is chosen. With or without Florida. The Florida votes did not and do not matter."

AND EVEN WITH FL, THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE WILL NOT CHANGE. THIS MAKES IT ALSO ACADEMIC. YOU NEED TO LEARN BASIC LOGIC.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

trying to talk to an Obama supporter is like trying to talk to a leftist about Iraq. They are not real clear on who should win - but one thing is not up for debate. They hate what America stands for.

Maybe years from now the Obama children can awe listeners by telling the story of how B. Hussein stormed Baghdad and conquered it while the Marines cowered in their foxholes.
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Or you could tell your children...oh yeah you are a geezer and will be long dead...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Bismarck - it already happened. Obama has already been exposed as a fraud. His lies are one too many to list.

But that is not at issue.

What is at issue is that Americans are being disenfranchised. Those who would not seat the delegates from Florida and Michigan do not believe in the democratic process. They would rather have party elites determine the course of this nation. We are a country for the people and by the people. We are not a country for and by self-serving latte liberals who are out of touch with Americans values and principles.

Posted by: George from Dtown | May 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Democrats Are Advised to Seat Half of 2 States' Delegations
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Published: May 29, 2008

Democratic Party lawyers have determined that no more than half the delegates from Florida and Michigan can be seated at the party's August convention, dealing a blow to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's efforts to seat the full delegations from those states.

The rules committee of the Democratic National Committee meets on Saturday to determine whether to seat the delegates from these states, which were penalized for holding early primaries.

In asking that the full delegations from these states be seated, Mrs. Clinton hopes to narrow Senator Barack Obama's delegate edge and make the case that by including the votes from these states, she will have more of the popular vote in the nominating contests, an assertion that has come under some dispute. But the legal analysis, based on party rules and contained in a 38-page memo to the committee, says the committee can either seat only 50 percent of the delegates or seat them all but give them only half a vote, which amounts to the same thing.

Whatever the committee decides about the delegates may not be a big factor in Mrs. Clinton's pursuit of the nomination.

Even if she were awarded all the delegates in proportion to her popular vote in those states -- her best-case scenario -- she could not overtake Senator Obama's delegate lead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/us/politics/28cnd-politics.html?hp

Posted by: GandalftheGrey | May 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

THe DNC rules committee makes its decision on Saturday. Until then, nothing is a done deal.

Posted by: Judy | May 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"ONE MORE TIME ..
Republican legislature and republican governor in Florida set the primary .....
Republicans set a trap and the DNC fell for it.
Since the DNC didn't count all our votes,
We'll get even in November.
Vote INDEPENDENT!
Posted by: American | May 28, 2008 2:48 PM"

Yeah, great idea jacka$$... the Republicants set the trap so let's help ensure that the Republican't candidate wins in Novemeber... you're a REAL GENIUS!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

This is all the proof anyone needs to determine that Democrats are indeed profoundly STUPID. And this of course is far and beyond their overwhelmingly failed congressional records.

Posted by: All_American | May 28, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

trying to talk to an Obama supporter is like trying to talk to a leftist about Iraq. They are not real clear on who should win - but one thing is not up for debate. They hate what America stands for.

Maybe years from now the Obama children can awe listeners by telling the story of how B. Hussein stormed Baghdad and conquered it while the Marines cowered in their foxholes.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama is done. He will lose the presidency and the Senate and will be exposed for the fraud he is. OBAMA, THE GREAT LIE.

Posted by: Bismarck | May 28, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is the Anti-Christ.

All the Jewish people upset about Obama's misspeaking and mistaking one concentration camp for another are fools anyways. They will and have already embraced the Anti-Christ.

Posted by: Obamacrat | May 28, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

corintonic

Please furnish links to validate your points.

Obama ran campaign ads in Georgia. Georgia TV broadcasts into Florida!

Posted by: Diddilydo | May 28, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Swalker3 I apologize...thought you were part of the Hags for Hillary Brigade posting ignorant misogynistic rants all over the place

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"So you changed your position on whether delegates should be seated or not based on a few crackpots on the Internet saying 'FL doesn't know how to vote?'"

No, my position is the same as it's always been: a penalty of 1/2 of the delegates as per the rules in effect at the time of the date change. I just realize that I have no say in the matter and could get over it if it doesn't happen to end the way I'd like.

But, I'm just saying that I always thought it was the Republicans who were the party of hate and after several months of reading hateful, negative comments from supposedly like-minded people gives me reason to step back and reconsider.

I won't vote Republican, but I don't know that I can stay where I'm not wanted, or worse, hated.

Posted by: FLDem | May 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey, no name, relax. I was being sarcastic. You're letting these poor folks get your dander up. It's no use. Trying to talk to a Clinton supporter about FL and MI is like trying to talk to a Bush supporter about Iraq. They're both hopelessly blinded by an alternative reality.

Posted by: swalker3 | May 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just me, but I thought that both states were advised as to what would happen if they held their primaries prior to February 5th. I also thought that both candidates agreed to stand behind the DNC's decision. How is it now that Hillary wants to cry foul? If the situation was reversed and Obama was in the position Hillary finds herself in now, would Hillary be making the same demands she makes now? Especially since Obama removed his name from Michigan's ballot. What isn't fair is that Hillary cannot be trusted to keep her word if it isn't in her favor.

Posted by: Ben | May 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

A Tin-foil hat maker, would make a killing with an ad here!

Posted by: Fred | May 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

So the Republican Party unfairly allowed Nevada and South Carolina to vote in early in support of the heavily populated minority presence there, lol...this is a joke right out of the Clinton play book. How do we explain why this wasn't an issue early in the campaign when both candidates agreed to support the DNC position prior to the primaries beginning when Hillary was enjoying 78% of the "minority" support? Sen. Clinton is even on record stating that the Michigan votes won't count for anything when she thought the primaries would be over in her favor by "Feb 5th"--her words not mine.

Posted by: SingleWhiteFemale | May 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

No but the RNC stripped millions of THEIR OWN VOTERS IN FL.

Again - it's academic. The nominee was and is chosen. With or without Florida. The Florida votes did not and do not matter.

The issue here is not republicans - they have chosen their candidate.

The issue is the hypocrites who squealed about the rights of votes being counted.

Now, its not so important is it?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Were Florida Dems Really GOP Victims?

In an interview with the St. Petersburg Times, Hillary Clinton reiterates that Florida Democrats shouldn't be punished for the Republican legislature's decision to move the primary up to Jan. 29.

Democrats "had very little or no choice in the matter," she says. "It was a Republican decision to go forward."

It's become accepted among Democrats that the early primary date was foisted on Florida Dems by Republicans. But the reality was more complicated.

As a Miami Herald columnist pointed out in March:
o The legislation that moved up Florida's presidential primary from the second Tuesday in March to the last Tuesday in January was sponsored by a Democrat, Jeremy Ring, in the Senate, and a Republican, David Rivera, in the House.

o Every single Democrat in both chambers voted for the early date except for one House member, all of them grown-ups knowing full well that the rules of both national parties called for delegate penalties.

There's more. Back in 2006, a spokesman for the Florida Democratic Party said that "Florida Democrats are all for it."

Later, when the DNC penalties became clear, Democratic leaders raised token objections.

According to a great 2007 account of Florida's deliberations by the Times' Adam Smith (who also conducted yesterday's interview with Clinton), some Dems tried to persuade Republicans to push the date back to the safe zone of Feb. 5 but quickly backed off.

Many of them were equally eager to wield more influence in the primary season, and no one truly believed the DNC would erase all their delegates. A last-ditch amendment that would have moved the date back to Feb. 5 failed to pass.

To be sure, the date change measure was folded into a larger election-reform bill, which contained a key Democratic provision to create paper trails for electronic voting machines. That's why the entire legislature voted for it. Plus, Dems probably didn't expect to have all their delegates invalidated by the DNC, since party rules only called for half.

They may also have declined to fight the measure because they knew they couldn't win.

But to describe Florida's Democratic voters as victims of a Republican scheme is a stretch. At the time, the scheme seemed pretty darn bipartisan.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/05/22/were-florida-dems-really-gop-victims.aspx

Posted by: GandalftheGrey | May 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, this is pure hysteria. I am assuming most of these kinds of comments are not from Hillary supporters at all, but are from stealth Repubs working overtime to make mayhem. It is after all how they do business, right?

Posted by: Sthrn. Wht. Wkng. Cls. Dem. | May 28, 2008 4:39 PM

Yeah but a small vocal set of Hillary Supporters (yourself and the majority excluded) have proven themselves to be

S T U P I D

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The vast left wing conspiracy strikes again to deny Hillary of her entitlement.

Posted by: Bethesda | May 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Florida caused a ruckus in The Hayes/Tilden election. They caused another one in the Bush/Gore election. They couldn't manage to get the rules for a primary right this year.

I vote we just eliminate Florida from the electorate.

Posted by: jerry | May 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Someone shouted:

"When the Supreme Court rules that the DNC violated the USA Constitution and gives damages to both Florida and Michigan voters, the DNC will be bankrupt! and Howard Dean and the DNC Insiders will be sitting in prison!! Then who will be laughing. The Republicans and everyone in the USA who has a brain. The DNC Insiders and and Howard Dean are acting like DICTATORS and should be dealt with accordingly."


Seriously, this is pure hysteria. I am assuming most of these kinds of comments are not from Hillary supporters at all, but are from stealth Repubs working overtime to make mayhem. It is after all how they do business, right?

Posted by: Sthrn. Wht. Wkng. Cls. Dem. | May 28, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Clearly the judge is sexist.

Posted by: swalker3 | May 28, 2008 4:36 PM


Clearly you are an idiot

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Lynn Parker, for God's sake get a grip. As I explained to you during our last session, there are meds available for your particular psychosis........please call or stop by my office.

Posted by: lynn's therapist | May 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Clearly the judge is sexist.

Posted by: swalker3 | May 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

When the Supreme Court rules that the DNC violated the USA Constitution and gives damages to both Florida and Michigan voters, the DNC will be bankrupt! and Howard Dean and the DNC Insiders will be sitting in prison!! Then who will be laughing. The Republicans and everyone in the USA who has a brain. The DNC Insiders and and Howard Dean are acting like DICTATORS and should be dealt with accordingly.

Posted by: Aussie2020 | May 28, 2008 1:53 PM

Go back to your prison colony and mind you own business!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"That said, I could easily have gotten over having/not having the delegates sat at the convention if not for the downright nasty, hateful, disgusting personal attacks on people such as myself whose only "transgression" is having a Florida address."

So you changed your position on whether delegates should be seated or not based on a few crackpots on the Internet saying 'FL doesn't know how to vote?'

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Except this time it is clear who is stealing votes - and it isn't the right.

Too bad you people don't channel your hatred towards our enemies like you do towards your political opponents.

We would truly be a force with which to be reckoned.

Posted by: anon | May 28, 2008 4:29 PM

Have you listened to yourself you hypocrit.

The DNC told FL and MI what was going to happen and they did it anyway.They are getting a chance to fix it now.

But Hillary DID NOT CARE until she was losing.

If you really want to blame somebody blame Terry McAuffie ---former DNC Chairman and Hillary Clinton Campaign manager that put the stupid rule in place anyway

Posted by: GO AWAY HILLARY | May 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"the republicans did not cause the dnc to strip the votes of millions. The dnc did that all by themselves."

No but the RNC stripped millions of THEIR OWN VOTERS IN FL.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

the republicans did not cause the dnc to strip the votes of millions. The dnc did that all by themselves.

Unless, of course, you are willing to concede that the dnc is staffed with childish little children, unable to think for themselves or formulate any plan of action on their own.

Maybe thats where all the hate and angst comes from? Self hate? Self loathing for being behind and traditional non achievers?

You people did this to yourselves, and some of the sentient on the left are waking up to what is going on - and they don't like it.

So, the response is attack. Attack. Attack.

Except this time it is clear who is stealing votes - and it isn't the right.

Too bad you people don't channel your hatred towards our enemies like you do towards your political opponents.

We would truly be a force with which to be reckoned.

Posted by: anon | May 28, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Some of you could make Karl Rove cringe with your attacks."

Its not too difficult to make that fat fascist fairy cringe.

I bet he got picked on a lot in school.

Posted by: Tom3 | May 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"the republicans have already chosen their candidate."

And the Democrats have chosen theirs. FL and MI could be seated at full strength and Obama will still win.

And it's not a moot point when people in FL are saying they've been 'disenfranchised' and are going to vote Republican b/c of it--when the RNC did the same thing.

And thanks for proving that many of the people so invested in the 'disenfranchisement' of FL by the DNC are A**HOLE REPUBLICANS.

AND--AS USUAL--ON THE RIGHT, IDIOTS RULE

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I had no idea there were Dems that stupid. We're supposed to be the smart party. The difference between a primary and an election is as simple as s**t from shinola. Those who recall Steve Martin in "The Jerk" know what scene I'm referencing here.

Posted by: jhbyer | May 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Obamabots are brats

Posted by: | May 28, 2008 4:09 PM

And Clintonistas are Geezers

Posted by: Obamabot | May 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

That moron is suing the wrong party.

The REPUKE Florida legislature passed the bill that moved the primary up too soon.

The REPUKE Governor signed it into law, then used the ensuing mess to bash Dems with "Make every vote count".

Where was he in 2000? Probably in the Brooks Brothers Riot, trying to make sure every vote did NOT count.

Florida Dems, it is NOT your party's fault. The other party did this to you and that is a FACT. Don't take my word for it, see for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Democratic_primary,_2008

Posted by: Tom3 | May 28, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"Some of you could make Karl Rove cringe with your attacks."

If you don't like having wide generalizations made about you, perhaps you'd consider not making them about other people.

The word 'some' removes it from the general and makes it about those who fit the bill.

Posted by: FLDem | May 28, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

nuff - the word is loser. Are you a product of democrat inspired government schools?

Posted by: anon | May 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

APPEAL APPEAL APPEAL APPEAL APPEAL APPEAL

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse


Obama's suppporters were brought up on sound bites and spoon fed infomercials

They live in Obama la la land and Axelrod the Marketeer loves their lack of depth


Hillary's supporters will not be disenfranchised.


50% IS A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE POWER


This process has been hijacked by the folks Obama says he "ISN'T"

He's a liar from NAFTA to Rezko to Wright to Iraq to his Xerox machine

He can save his "politics of fearing John McCain"

Won't work. John is trustworthy

If not Hillary.

John.

Obama is UNQUALIFIED and has never done a think of importance in his almost 50 years.


We'll be staying home. Hobble on with 50% - one leg.

It will be fun to watch. Fun to write in Hillary or put a big fat check mark next to John.

Blame the Democratic Trumpsters and Thugs

The Party Royal

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

If you could read, you'd see that people are obviously unaware of the truth--that the RNC penalized FL too--I'll stop posting it when I stop seeing posters that are oblivious to this fact.


Posted by: | May 28, 2008 4:01 PM

Here's a little helpful hint: if you're going to say the same thing repeatedly, at least mix it up a bit. I know that I view anyone who c&p's the same thing VERBATIM over and over loses credibilty with me. Even if it's true (which it is, in this case) it begins to look like a case of 'if I post it enough, it'll become true.'

just how I see it...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Some of you could make Karl Rove cringe with your attacks."

If you don't like having wide generalizations made about you, perhaps you'd consider not making them about other people.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

the republicans have already chosen their candidate. One candidate reached the required number of delegates. Your point is academic.

If there was a close race - such as is going on with the socialists - it would matter. But there isn't. So it doesn't.

Millions of Florida and Michigan voters are being stripped of their choice for nominee by decisions made by a few.

In 2000, the socialists were united as one in their demands for every (liberal precinct) vote to be counted. Now they are divided. Some want democracy - some want Obama.

As usual, on the left, hypocrisy rules.

Posted by: anon | May 28, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Democrats Take a Tough Line on Florida Primary
By ADAM NAGOURNEY
Published: August 26, 2007
WASHINGTON, Aug. 25 -- The Democratic National Committee, threatening to take the toughest line possible, voted Saturday to refuse to seat any Florida Democrat at the Democratic presidential convention in 2008 if the state party did not delay the date of its 2008 primary to conform to the party's nominating calendar.
The committee gave Florida Democrats 30 days to propose a primary date that conformed with Democratic rules prohibiting all but four states from holding their primaries or caucuses before Feb. 5. But Florida leaders, who seemed stunned by a near-unanimous vote and the severity of the punishment, said they were doubtful they could come up with an alternative.
They said they were bound by the vote of the Republican-controlled State Legislature, which set the primary for Jan. 29.
Beyond what is emerging as a clear embarrassment for the party, the practical results of this dispute were unclear. To a considerable extent, it could prove to be little more than a reminder of how little authority the party appears to have over its nominating process this year.
Florida Democratic leaders said they were resistant to bowing to the party's demands, having already refused twice. And assuming the party has a presumptive nominee by the time the convention is seated in Denver next year, it will be the nominee -- not party officials -- who would have the power to resolve a dispute over who is seated.
Aides to several candidates said it was inconceivable that in the end, a Democratic presidential candidate a year from now would penalize a state like Florida, going into a general election, by refusing to seat the state's delegates.
But the aides, who requested anonymity to discuss tactical concerns, suggested that candidates might be wary to invest money and energy in Florida for a delegate-less primary if, at the time, the race is tight and candidates are in a contest to build up the biggest delegate counts.
"There are 30 days for this to get worked out, and our hope is it gets settled in a way that Florida is contributing delegates to the nominating process," said David Plouffe, the campaign manager for Senator Barack Obama of Illinois. "If they don't come into compliance, that means they won't be contributing any delegates to the contest and this will be nothing more than a straw poll."
The vote by the national committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee laid bare a sharp division between one of the most politically important states in the country and a party that has been struggling to change its nominating calendar to accommodate party leaders, who object to the dominance Iowa and New Hampshire have enjoyed because they are first in the nominating process.............
Under the rules passed by the Democratic National Committee, if Florida is not in compliance with the calendar it will automatically lose all 25 of its so-called super delegates -- basically, elected officials and state party members -- and at least half of its regular 185 delegates. But the committee voted, with one dissent, to impose the maximum penalty by refusing to seat any delegates should Florida not return with an acceptable plan.
The result was praised by Scott Brennan, the Iowa Democratic chairman, who, along with Ray Buckley, the New Hampshire Democratic chairman, flew to Washington for what in other years would have been the most routine of summer meetings by the Rules and Bylaws Committee. "It's a harsh sanction, but you have to enforce the rules," Mr. Brennan said.
In arguing for the Democrats to allow Florida to go early, Ms. Thurman and other party officials said that the party had unsuccessfully fought the effort by Florida Republicans to move up the date. Again and again, party officials presented themselves as victims rather than protagonists, and asked the party to grant them relief because of that.
"We're asking you for mercy, not judgment," Jon Ausman, a Democratic leader, told the committee.
But James Roosevelt Jr., the rules committee's co-chairman, said he was not convinced that Florida Democrats had done all they could do. He said it was "clear that the Republicans were the moving force behind the selection of a date that violated both the Republican and the Democratic rules, but that the efforts to oppose that were form over substance."
Committee members made it clear that they wanted to send a message to any state that might be looking to change its primary; the vote came as Michigan leaders are looking to move that state's primary to Jan. 15. Committee members noted that there had been a long process in setting the calendar.
"We have voted on these rules," said Donna Brazile, a member of the committee. "The process was very fair, very democratic in every step that we've taken." Ms. Brazile suggested that Democrats in Florida, given what happened there in 2000, should be particularly sensitive to what the party was doing. "I'm going to send a message to everybody in Florida -- that we are going to follow the rules," she said.

Posted by: GandalftheGrey | May 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse


Obamabots are brats

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm amazed at how much my party seems to be tearing itself apart. FL shouldnt have tried to move its primary contrary to the well kown rules....

This whole nation has stepped away from personal responsibility...its always someone elses fault.

Posted by: Astounded | May 28, 2008 3:53 PM

You're right. We shouldn't have, but the risk/reward equation for going along with the Republicans changed after the fact and the DNC allowed itself to be played by the FL Republicans.

That said, I could easily have gotten over having/not having the delegates sat at the convention if not for the downright nasty, hateful, disgusting personal attacks on people such as myself whose only "transgression" is having a Florida address. I've been called every name in the book by my "fellow" Democrats solely because I live in Florida. Well, I hope any of those in Maryland who've said that I'm too stupid to vote will hold themselves to that same standard because we have the same education, supposedly the same philosophies, and we vote for the same people - if I'm too stupid to vote, then so are you. Think about it...

Some of you could make Karl Rove cringe with your attacks.

Posted by: FLDem | May 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is a looser...Her entire political career is history. she'll loose the senate and she wont EVER become the President of a dog house because Americans who did support the Clintons before will NEVER support them again!!! They have dis-robed their masks and we've gotten a chance to see those two suckers for what and who they really are!!! The majority of the senate, hate Hillary and a vast amount of the supers that supported her, reportedly only did it because "Hillary threatened them!". They can't wait for her a$$ to return to the senate! I would care is she won Rome, Italy! She is History......Good thing is that this whole mess will be over soon and maybe then she could go somehwere and get totally LOST!

Posted by: Nuff of Hillary! | May 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse


The 50% of Democrats who support Hillary will determine this outcome.


The Democratic Boys Club are Rovian Delay back room thugs.


Worse than the Republicans - because they eat their own.


Hillary's supporters don't recognize this party and it's Super Thugs

Trumping the Will of the People


They can hobble on with 50% - on one leg


We will write in Hillary in November - or vote for John McCain


The "Bitter Lunch Pail Gun Clinging Typical Small Town White Folk" who don't like, trust or "BELIEVE" in Obama and his gangsters


We're taking back this country and this nominations process

Patsy Dean and his "rules" CHANGES for the hand picked puppet

Outdoing the Republicans - the Democratic Super Thugs are going to disenfranchise two states.

They AMBUSHED Hillary Clinton on Super Tuesday

Nancy Delay Pelosi, Tom Unelected Delay Daschel, John Loser Kerry, Pat Super King Leahy, Christopher Follower Dodd, Ted Loser Kennedy

Kennedy said his niece convinced him to support Obama. Obama said las week Kennedy encouraged him to run. Who's lying???

I bet it's Kennedy.

The DC Rovian Establishment Boys Club Trolls have raped and battered their own best candidate in broad daylight for their hand picked hand puppet

They think they are "appointing" the nominee

They can all hobble on with their one legged puppet


The people who built this party will be happily Independents


NOVEMBER = NOBAMA


BELIEVE THAT !!


Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

This is right on Clinton thinking. If Bill and Hillary don't get what they want, they are like spoiled brats. They just can't live with the fact that they are loosing. They thought they were un beatable and now that they are they can't stand it.

The big question is:

"Did she, Hillary, sign that she agreed with the rule?" Now that it is not going her way she wants to change the whole process.

By the way what is the meaning of SEX Bill?

Live with it Hillary you LOST!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Pete Lamphere | May 28, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and all of her vaginus supporters are ludacris!! What polarizing bunch of loosers!!

Posted by: vaginas for Hillary | May 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"If you could read, you'd see that I've already mentioned this so I didn't need to see this canned response for the 4th (5th? 10th??) time."

If you could read, you'd see that people are obviously unaware of the truth--that the RNC penalized FL too--I'll stop posting it when I stop seeing posters that are oblivious to this fact.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

compromise - unfortunately the voters from Obama's other 7 states can't make it. They are busy making life difficult for those seeking in Afghanistan and Iraq. Perhaps they can vote from their forward deployed office in Teheran?

Posted by: anon | May 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Most intelligent voters in Michigan and Florida do understand that it was their state's party leaders who went along with the Republicans trick to put their state ahead. They also understand that it was their party leaders who should have fought for them from the very beginning to over turn the ruling. However, they didn't and accepted the punishment. There are also a lot of intelligent voters from MI & Fl (which have been blogging for weeks now, who state they fully understand that Hillary is not demanding the seating of Fl & MI for the sake of the poor voters but only so that she can make an argument in an effort to steal the nomination. Everyone knows that Hillary's arguments are stupid and that most of the intelligent smart voters understand exactly what is happening here. The only Fl & MI voters who are buying into this BS are the cultist supporters of Hillary who feel that she should be crowned queen of America, regardless of how 3/4 of the United States greatly oppose her or Bubba getting anywhere close to Beltway. Hillary is pathetic and grows more and more pitiful as does most of her suppoters as the day goes on. What a pitiful sight. Where is Hillary's dignity? As a woman, I am truly appalled that she claims to represent ALL of the women in the U.S.

Posted by: Hillary is toast! | May 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

REPUBLICANS (RNC) ALSO PENALIZED THEIR FL DELEGATION FOR MOVING UP THEIR PRIMARY

Since Republicans don't have a lying, sociopathic, manipulative piece of garbage like Clinton contesting the very rules they agreed to people are less aware of this.

If you could read, you'd see that I've already mentioned this so I didn't need to see this canned response for the 4th (5th? 10th??) time.

Posted by: FLDem | May 28, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

If you stack the committee to do what you want, and get the results you wanted, but change your mind. Can you try to stack the committee to what you now want? I do not think that either CLinton knows what rules are. They take dramatic license with all issues. This one is another example of rules for me and rules for you defined by me. Poor Sportsmanship!

Posted by: pat | May 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

This is beginning to look more like the Gore/Bush debacle everyday. Democrats are soooooooo stupid.

Posted by: greenfun | May 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

My Fellow Americans,

I propose a GREAT COMPROMISE.

The Florida and Michigan delegates will be seated, but only if Obama's delegates from the other seven states (Obama's 51st-through 57th states) are seated.

In order to preserve our democratic process all delegates need to be seated.

Obama's phantom delegates must be seated. Just because you live in a states 1-50 does not give you a right to abridge the freedoms and discriminate against states 51-57.

Preserve our union, a compromise must be struck.

Posted by: The Great Compromise | May 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm amazed at how much my party seems to be tearing itself apart. FL shouldnt have tried to move its primary contrary to the well kown rules....

This whole nation has stepped away from personal responsibility...its always someone elses fault.

Posted by: Astounded | May 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"Brilliant! Let's punish those on our side so that they just give up and the Republicans gain an even stronger foothold in state government."

REPUBLICANS (RNC) ALSO PENALIZED THEIR FL DELEGATION FOR MOVING UP THEIR PRIMARY

Since Republicans don't have a lying, sociopathic, manipulative piece of garbage like Clinton contesting the very rules they agreed to people are less aware of this.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Any Democrat in FL or MI who threatens to stay home or vote for McCain out of spite over the primary mess obviously cares more about their ego than their country.

Posted by: Jim W | May 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Advocate -
"The FL delegates will get seated but it will be a 50% number."

"Where has this been reported? That is all I've ever asked for"

This is the general consensus I've heard building as well. FL will count for 1/2.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I laugh at Florida and Michigan. THEY decided to break DNC rules. THEIR leaders approved the change to hold primaries early (i.e. Michigan's Governor approved) against DNC rules.

I feel absolutely nothing for their voters. Their idiotic leaders broke the rules and now they're feeling the consequences.

As always, Florida has to screw it all up.

Posted by: Erki | May 28, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"Now if my party does not want my vote"

Actually, as a Democrat, I don't want your vote if you lack the critical thinking skills to figure out that Hillary Clinton could care less about you--or Fl or MI--and is ethically in the wrong. Her staffers voted for sanctions and she signed off on them until she LOST. Trying to change the rules that you fully agreed to after you've lost the game is unethical and immoral.

Both the Republicans and Democrats penalized FL for moving up their primaries. Rules have to be followed for there to be order in any organization. If the sanctions upset you, you need to work to see that FL operates within the rules that are established.

This is a country of law and rules. FL was WARNED this would happen if they moved up the primary and they did it anyway. Work with your state party so it doesn't happen again. Don't side with a hypocritical madwoman who cares only about herself.

You can't try and change the rules after you lost the game when you supported them fully before.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

BTW Please don't buy the Scott McClellan book "What Happened" send the money to me instead, Hillary Clinton.

The book is a vast ring wing conspiracy to dry up uneducated American's dollars that should go to me because I deserve them.

Thank you. Now go to my website and donate to my Presidential bid.

We are almost in the White House now and Obama is on the ropes with his Hope a Dope strategy failing because I control the Dopes vote not him.

Anyway don't you see I am ahead in EVERY poll in every state that counts in November?

Donate online but if you want to send a check, dear uneducated Americans, just make your mark on the little line at the bottom of the check and mail it to me.

Thanks xoxo HRC

Posted by: msmith | May 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Advocate -
"The FL delegates will get seated but it will be a 50% number."

Where has this been reported? That is all I've ever asked for because that's what the Dems in the FL legislature agreed to accept when the date was changed in the first place.

For the DNC to later demand it be changed back or lose 100%, knowing full well it was an impossible request, was the ridiculous part.

Posted by: FLDem | May 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

It's ashame so many Obama supporters making light of this ruling by claiming that they don't need Florida to win..or Ohio..or Michigan..or Pennsylvania. How, exactly, are we going to win back the White House without these key states?

Posted by: jka | May 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Who do you suppose is financing these lawsuits?

Can't win the game fair and square...cheat!

I often wonder what Hillary's mother taught her about rules. What to bet that she was taught that rules are optional?

Posted by: Kate Henry | May 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Florida routinely vote in republicans statewide and then they wonder why things always go wrong.

Posted by: OneFreeMan | May 28, 2008 3:29 PM

So, this only reinforces that fact that we Democrats in Florida are in a disadvantaged situation and unable to respond to the DNC's threats. I suppose the DNC thinks it's a great strategy to attack those who DO vote Democrat only?

Brilliant! Let's punish those on our side so that they just give up and the Republicans gain an even stronger foothold in state government. Nothing a good re-gerrymandering can't perpetuate for years to come...

Posted by: FLDem | May 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Quit complaining FL folks. Your party agreed to move up the primaries in direct disagreement with the DNC rules. You break the rules...you get punished. It is simple. The FL delegates will get seated but it will be a 50% number. How is that not fair. In the future...simply tell your representatives to follwo the rules!

Posted by: Advocate | May 28, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

CLINTON SAID "MICHIGAN DOESN'T COUNT"

CLINTON SIGNED OFF ON SANCTIONS

CLINTON STAFFERS MADE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE THAT VOTED FOR SANCTIONS

REPUBLICANS (RNC) ALSO PENALIZED THEIR FL DELEGATION FOR MOVING UP THEIR PRIMARY

Since Republicans don't have a lying, sociopathic, manipulative piece of garbage like Clinton contesting the very rules they agreed to people are less aware of this.

THIS IS NOT DISENFRANCHISEMENT

TO COMPARE THIS TO WHAT AL GORE WENT THROUGH IS RIDICULOUS. AL GORE NEVER:

SIGNED OFF ON SANCTIONS FOR THE FL 2000 GE VOTES NOT TO COUNT

NEVER SAID HIS 2000 GE VOTES IN MI "DIDN'T MATTER" AND "WOULDN'T COUNT"

DON'T BUY INTO LIES.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

So every vote doesn't count?

ASK HAROLD ICKES, AND THE REST OF CLINTON'S STAFFERS THAT STACKED THE COMMITTEE THAT VOTED FOR THE SANCTIONS. WAKE UP!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"Does anyone remember what happened when the Supreme Court ruled in 2000? A bunch of insiders playing with our sacred DEMOCRACY"

THE INSIDERS THAT VOTED FOR FL TO BE 'DISENFRANCHISED' WERE HILLARY'S STAFF

TAKE IT UP WITH HAROLD ICKES AND THE REST OF CLINTON'S STAFF THAT MADE THE 'DISENFRANCHISEMENT' HAPPEN.

UNTIL THEY LOST OF COURSE. NOW, IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY...

YOU'RE SO INTO INTELLECT. WAKE UP. USE YOUR BRAIN. CLINTON STAFFERS WERE THE MAJORITY THAT PASSED THE SANCTION!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

To respond to Lynne

OBAMA BROKE THE RULES, HILLARY DID NOT. HE CAME TO Florida for fund raisers AND HE DID ADVERTISE IN FLORIDA, HE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, HE HAD SIGN THE SAME STATEMENT THAT Hillary DID by the way the republicans punished Florida by taking half the delegates, which is the same option that Md. Howard Dean was supposed to do.

Learn your facts before you post.

Posted by: corintonic | May 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Florida routinely vote in republicans statewide and then they wonder why things always go wrong.

Posted by: OneFreeMan | May 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

So every vote doesn't count?

Posted by: nane moose | May 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary rightfully is asking to have our votes counted"

WHY DID SHE SIGN OFF ON SANCTIONS?

WHY DID HER STAFFERS MAKE UP THE MAJORITY THAT VOTED FOR THEM?

DON'T INSULT OTHER PEOPLE'S INTELLIGENCE WHEN YOU CAN'T ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

CLINTON SAID "MICHIGAN DOESN'T COUNT"

CLINTON SIGNED OFF ON SANCTIONS

CLINTON STAFFERS MADE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE THAT VOTED FOR SANCTIONS

REPUBLICANS (RNC) ALSO PENALIZED THEIR FL DELEGATION FOR MOVING UP THEIR PRIMARY

Since Republicans don't have a lying, sociopathic, manipulative piece of garbage like Clinton contesting the very rules they agreed to people are less aware of this.

THIS IS NOT DISENFRANCHISEMENT

TO COMPARE THIS TO WHAT AL GORE WENT THROUGH IS RIDICULOUS. AL GORE NEVER:

SIGNED OFF ON SANCTIONS FOR THE FL 2000 GE VOTES NOT TO COUNT

NEVER SAID HIS 2000 GE VOTES IN MI "DIDN'T MATTER" AND "WOULDN'T COUNT"

DON'T BUY INTO LIES.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

one more time, the Florida Democratic party went along with this fully. They knew what they were doing. This is not completely blamable on the FL Rethugs.


Posted by: MikeF | May 28, 2008 2:54 PM


Hey Mike, one MORE time...

No, the FL Dems did NOT know what they were doing because the penalty at the time they changed it was a 50% delegate loss, just like the Repugs STILL have.

If the DNC was serious early on about upping the penalties, they should have done it before the law was changed in May '07 and given the FL Dems reason to block the date change. As it was an equal, 50% loss for each party last May, the Dems agreed to let the Republicans jump SC's (R) primary date (which was their goal) in exchange for voting machine reform, i.e. requiring paper trails.

The DNC changing the "rules" in Aug(Sept?) '07, to a more severe 100% loss knowing that FL's Dems would be powerless to undo the date change is what caused this mess. It would have never happened if the current "rules" were in place when the law change occured. The DNC is to blame for having an incredibly stupid sense of timing, not to mention extreme hubris in thinking they could force a Republican legislature to back down to their threats 3 months later.

Posted by: FLDem | May 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse


anon wrote:

"If they will do this to their won party, what will they do to America?"
____________

Nice try Republitard. Why don't you think about what your dipsh*t monkey of a president and his evil political party has "done to America?"

I know you have no ideas, no vision and no hope so you have to try to exploit this situation, but we'll deal with Crazy Ol' Grampa McSame later.

Posted by: sequoia | May 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

To the one's calling Hillary names it is so childish and unbecoming but hey I guess that if you are swallowing the spin from the MSM that the voters of the other candidate are very highly educated their postings reflects their true character, Did you know that Obama did advertise in Florida prior to our elections? I guess that if he breaks the rules is just not that important, but if Hillary rightfully is asking to have our votes counted( I am from Florida after all )I have written and called every single politician that I could long before the primary, I do not like to think that some how the United States of America can disenfranchised millions of voters and the other 48 states seem to be ok with it, to the Obama supporters re-read the article and you'll find out that at least Bill Nelson was warning about this type of Chaos since 2007, and newsflash to all this new young comers to our party I've been voting since before it was kool!!!

Now if my party does not want my vote or to participate in it( after all the voters of Florida had not say in this matter)I must register as an independent, they don't want my votes but the DNC floods me with emails, phone calls and my mailbox asking for money, why should I give them any if they stripped me of my rights? As for the court rule let's live with it, Does anyone remember what happened when the Supreme Court ruled in 2000? A bunch of insiders playing with our sacred DEMOCRACY AND IT SEEMS NOT TO BOTHER SOME PEOPLE! Hope next time it will happen to your state and see how you'll like it.

Posted by: corintonic | May 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The National Committee should organize and run primaries for federal contests. If they did ya would never have to worry about states going their own way again.

Posted by: g | May 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The party of freedom, the party of individual rights, the party of the working man - all a sham.

It is the party of thuggery and strong arm tactics. After the hyperventilating and squealing about how votes were not counted in 2000 - they very smugly and with pure intentions deny millions of their own people the right to vote. If they will do this to their won party, what will they do to America?

Posted by: anon | May 28, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

In a pointless show of bipartianship, Florida Democratic politicians who should have done something about the move of the primary date, knowing full well of the adverse consequences, did nothing in Tallahassee to stop it. Florida Democrats went along on this ride with Florida Republican politicians willingly and now have no room to complain.

Posted by: Patriot3 | May 28, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

LYNN PARKER foamed at the mouth, eyes buggin' out and screamed:

"OBAMA LITTLE BOY NO NOTHING, HILLARY MAY HAVE GOTTEN CARELESS, YOU IDIOT DO NOT KNOW YOUR AMERICAN HISTORY AND YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT.? OF COURSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY LEARNING THE TEACHINGS OF YOUR BELOVED PASTOR TO HATE THIS COUNTRY. WHERE ARE YOU HIDING THE TWERP. THAT GOOD OLE ANTI AMERICAN IS BUSY FIXING UP HIS NEW HOUSE IN THE COUNTRY YOU ALL HATE, AND THAT INCLUDES YOUR WIFEY DEAR!"
______________

Ladies and Gentlemen...I present to you the fanatics that make up Hillary's lunatic fringe.

Thank GOD you psychos LOST.

Posted by: sequoia | May 28, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

If the Supreme Court takes this one then I am never voting again. So ridiculous. Clinton needs to stop being a spoiler.

Posted by: phorse | May 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

We'll take it any way we can even if the Cubans and the retired Jewish folks dont get to vote, HA!

Posted by: Obama 08 | May 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Just like when Leiberman beat out the MoveOn.org Libscum cadidate - Democrats will wish they had not pushed Clinton out of the way in favor of the Marxist Obama.

Posted by: Not_A_Libscum | May 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"REPUBLICANS PENALIZING THEIR FL DELEGATES,
Does NOT justify the DNC penalizing those that broke no rules."

WELL NOW THAT YOU'VE LEARNED THAT THE RNC DID PENALIZE THEIR DELEGATES, LEARN THIS:

BOTH THE REPUBLICAN FL DELEGATION AND THE DEMOCRATIC FL DELEGATION WERE PENALIZED FOR THE EXACT SAME REASON: THEY MOVED UP THE PRIMARY.

I guess since Republicans don't have a lying, sociopathic, manipulative piece of garbage like Clinton contesting the very rules they agreed to people are less aware of this.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"not to late to schedule primaries in july."

I guess since Republicans don't have a lying, sociopathic, manipulative piece of garbage like Clinton contesting the very rules they agreed to people are less aware that REPUBLICANS ALSO PENALIZED THEIR FL DELEGATES FOR MOVING UP THE FL PRIMARY.

If republicans vote dem. for being 'disenfranchised' by RNC and democrats for rep. for being 'disenfranchised' by DNC. Those votes offset.

TRY AGAIN ZOMBIES

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA LITTLE BOY NO NOTHING, HILLARY MAY HAVE GOTTEN CARELESS, YOU IDIOT DO NOT KNOW YOUR AMERICAN HISTORY AND YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT.? OF COURSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY LEARNING THE TEACHINGS OF YOUR BELOVED PASTOR TO HATE THIS COUNTRY. WHERE ARE YOU HIDING THE TWERP. THAT GOOD OLE ANTI AMERICAN IS BUSY FIXING UP HIS NEW HOUSE IN THE COUNTRY YOU ALL HATE, AND THAT INCLUDES YOUR WIFEY DEAR!

Posted by: LYNN PARKER | May 28, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

REPUBLICANS PENALIZING THEIR FL DELEGATES,

Does NOT justify the DNC penalizing those that broke no rules.

VOTE .... INDEPENEDENT!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess since Republicans don't have a lying, sociopathic, manipulative piece of garbage like Clinton contesting the very rules they agreed to people are less aware that REPUBLICANS ALSO PENALIZED THEIR FL DELEGATES FOR MOVING UP THE FL PRIMARY.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse


American screamed and cried:

"The DNC is punishing the wrong people and will feel the wrath in November.

VOTE .... INDEPENDENT!"
_______________

Ooooh, I'm sure we're all so scared of your WRATH!

You are a clown. Do your worst, loser. Though at least you have enougn sense to not threaten to vote for McCain.

Obama will win without Florida. Ha ha.

Posted by: sequoia | May 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats in Florida did not break the rules. Republicans DID!"

I guess since Republicans don't have a lying, sociopathic, manipulative piece of garbage like Clinton contesting the very rules they agreed to people are less aware that REPUBLICANS ALSO PENALIZED THEIR FL DELEGATES FOR MOVING UP THE FL PRIMARY.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Most commentators don't seem to get it. This is not some game about feminists and misogynists, racists and rulebreakers. Get a grip! This is an election about the future of the country.

Posted by: Bodo | May 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The democratic party has self destructed as has the republican ..

VOTE INDEPENDENT!

Posted by: American | May 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

REPUBLICANS (RNC) PENALIZED THEIR OWN FL DELEGATION

I guess since Republicans don't have a lying, sociopathic, manipulative piece of garbage like Clinton contesting the very rules they agreed to people are less aware of this.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Lynne ... Clinton did not break the rules.

Democrats in Florida did not break the rules.

Republicans DID!

The DNC is punishing the wrong people and will feel the wrath in November.

VOTE .... INDEPENDENT!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama is currently devising a plan to have the delegates from America's other 7 states counted.

Apparently, he's the only one who realized that the United States of America has 57 states. Since the other candidates are too stupid to realize that American has not 50, but 57 states, they missed out.

Obama won the other seven states in a landslide. We should seat these delegates. To do otherwise would be UNDEMOCRATIC.

OBAMA '08. Yes we can seat the missing delegates from America's 51st-57th states.

Posted by: MSMCake | May 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"ONE MORE TIME .."

UMM, ONE MORE TIME:
REPUBLICANS (RNC) PENALIZED THEIR OWN FL DELEGATION

UNBELIEVABLE..

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse


American screamed:

"ONE MORE TIME ..

Republican legislature and republican governor in Florida set the primary .....

Republicans set a trap and the DNC fell for it.

Since the DNC didn't count all our votes,
We'll get even in November.

Vote INDEPENDENT!"
___________

ONE MORE TIME:

We're done with your idiotic threats. Go sit on it.

And wouldn't you just be further falling into the Republican trap with your REVENGE!, dumb*ss?

That'll learn 'em to squarsh yer tomater!

Posted by: sequoia | May 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey "American"....one more time, the Florida Democratic party went along with this fully. They knew what they were doing. This is not completely blamable on the FL Rethugs.

Posted by: MikeF | May 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"The DNC has cheated Floridians by punishing them for the actions of a republican legislature and a republican governor."

The RNC also penalized their own Fl delegates or aren't you aware of the world around you?

I guess since Republicans don't have a lying, sociopathic, manipulative piece of garbage like Clinton contesting the very rules they agreed to people are less aware of this.

Come to think of it, Clinton supporters seem unaware of all facts and completely distanced from reality in general.

WAKE UP ZOMBIES

SHE'S LYING

SHE SAID "MICHIGAN DOESN'T COUNT"

SHE SIGNED OFF ON SANCTIONS VOTED ON BY HER OWN STAFFERS

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure why some Florida Democratic voters would want to punish Obama for something their own party leaders and the FL RepubliCON legislature did. Obama followed the rules he signed up for and HE should be punished? Tell me how that is right? I believe the FL legislators that decided to break the rules should lose THEIR super delegate vote. Somehow Obama should not get the short end of this issue and Clinton be awarded for breaking the rules.

Posted by: Lynne | May 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"HER CAMPAIGN STAFF MADE UP THE MAJORITY THAT DEVISED THE SANCTIONS"

Just like Iraq another bad vote for Hillary, if she would have not signed off and front-loaded the rules committee with her campaign staffers she'd probably have a heck of a better shot at being the nominee.

Funny how screw-ups come back to bite you in the arse isn't it?

Posted by: JR | May 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Divide the delegates 50/50 in each states, compliments of both state's party leaders (for breaking the rules)!!

Posted by: Shar | May 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

ONE MORE TIME ..

Republican legislature and republican governor in Florida set the primary .....

Republicans set a trap and the DNC fell for it.

Since the DNC didn't count all our votes,
We'll get even in November.

Vote INDEPENDENT!

Posted by: American | May 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters need to stop and think!! She has lied, lied, lied, and then lied to all of America throughout the entire primary season. She and her husband with their militant rantings have caused a serious problem for the democratic party. Even if this is resolved peacefully (somehow I doubt it), Hillary has damaged her career and her husband's reputation beyond repair. Even her own supporters are fed up with her and who can blame them. Not only that, she has dragged her daughter into this period of psycholunisey (sp). Hillary doesn't give a damn about America or her supporters or Obama's supporters. It's all about Hillary and what she wants! Good is not the reward for evildoers. She has spread hatred and discourse and has set America back more than 100 years singlehandedly. She has pit race against race, gender against gender, working class against working class. What kind of person does that? I seriously think that after all of this is over, she needs to make an appointment with Dr. Phil because she is obviously INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hillary caused all of this!!!! | May 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

the motto for the dems should be:

if we didnt get to choose the candidate, we wont vote for the candidate chosen for us.

not to late to schedule primaries in july.

Posted by: Dwight | May 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse


To be honest, Hillary is not relevant. The general election has begun and Hillary isn't in it.

Posted by: Shawn | May 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"Ms. Clinton as an INDEPENDENT PARTY candidate would TROUNCE Barack, Bob and John with the right running mate."

How would she trounce in a three way election when she can't beat Obama in a two way election?

And who is Bob? Bob Barr? The Libertarians run every election and barely get any votes. Learn something about politics. Seriously.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

If you don't vote for Obama, you hate black people and you're a racist.

If you don't vote for Clinton, you hate women, and you're a misogynist (a misanthrope who dislikes women in particular).

If you don't vote for McCain, you hate white people (racist) and you engage in Age Discrimination.

If you do not want to be a racist, misogynist, or an old-person hater, sit this election out.

Americans today have a duty not to offend anyone, SO DON'T VOTE.

Posted by: AmericanStatus | May 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"like in 2000, it's in the hands of the courts."

Please learn the law. This suit was dismissed as will all others. The DNC has a right to determine it's own rules. And don't compare what Al Gore went through to this. He did not sign a pledge agreeing not to sign the votes.

AL GORE DID NOT SIGN A PLEDGE AGREEING NOT TO COUNT VOTES IN 2000

ANOTHER CLINTON ZOMBIE TALKING POINT

ZOMBIES, PLEASE ANSWER WHY SHE SAID "MICHIGAN DOESN'T COUNT"

WHY HER CAMPAIGN STAFFERS WERE INVOLVED IN DEVISIING THE SANCTIONS AND WHY SHE SIGNED OFF ON THEM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

To all who have posted...go back and read the "rule book." The Constitution of the US only guarantees the right for Citizens over the age of 18 to vote for PRESIDENT. It DOES NOT guarantee a right to vote for a candidate for president.

You might want to rewind time to the early parts of the 20th century backwards when everyday "folk" didn't even get an opportunity to vote for a candidate. They were just nominated in a smoke filled back room at a convention.

The respective parties make the rules. Florida and Michigan knew the rules (they even tried to file suit in 2007 to get them changed) yet still held primaries ahead of the posted date. IF the Democratic voters of those states want to sue somebody they should start with their State Party representatives who keenly aware of what they were doing in holding their state's primaries "early".

In fact, along those lines, if you live in FL or MI, you might want to sue the state party(ies) for the cost of holding the primaries (sometimes in the Millions of Dollars) that the tax payers of each district must foot.

There's a suit that I'd like to see

Posted by: Da Plane Da Plane | May 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me why Florida has been in the center of elections controversy twice in the last decade? Are they just that dumb over there, maybe FL should just get their voting rights stripped indefinitely until they get their acts straight. Bunch of goons!!!

Posted by: Ryan | May 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

What everyone seems to forget is that the candidates agreed to the ruling and did not campaign. Additionally Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan. This is just Clinton sour grapes.

Posted by: anita mason | May 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The answer to the question is this: its a primary. No one is disinfranchised because its not an election. The election is in November. Political parties can decide whatever rules they want. It would actually violate their free assembly and free speech rights if the court started imposing rules on how they should select their canddiates.

Posted by: bla | May 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The DNC has cheated Floridians by punishing them for the actions of a republican legislature and a republican governor.

The DNC is cheating Ms. Clinton.

Ms. Clinton as an INDEPENDENT PARTY candidate would TROUNCE Barack, Bob and John with the right running mate.

Electoral votes are what will count in November election.It will be so nice to have a real three or four party system . The old two party system is OLD, TIRED, and out of touch with it's immature gridlocks .

Bob will assure Johns defeat and .. the DNC will assure Baracks defeat.


Here's to JUSTICE in NOVEMBER.

Posted by: American | May 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Clinton needs to stop her whining. The race is over. And Obama can win the general election without Florida or Michigan.

McClinton needs to go back and fabricate some more tall tales about Obama's uncle liberating the wrong concentration camp. Hope you enjoy misspeaking your way to defeat. Obama will bring change, and Clinton's efforts are not helping.

Posted by: Obamacrat | May 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

According to Democratic Convention Watch, DNC lawyers issued an opinion concerning the seating of the Florida and Michigan delegation. The following is printed from AP:
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008
DNC Lawyers: Can't fully seat FL and MI
DNC lawyers have weighed in on the FL & MI debacle:


"A Democratic Party rules committee has the authority to restore delegates from Michigan and Florida but not fully seat the two states at the convention as Hillary Rodham Clinton wants, according to a party analysis.

Party rules require that the two states lose at least half of their convention delegates for holding elections too early, Democratic National Committee lawyers wrote in a 38-page memo.

The memo was sent late Tuesday to the 30 members of the party's Rules and Bylaws Committee, which plans to meet Saturday to consider the fate of convention delegates from the two states. The party is considering plans to restore at least some of the delegates to make sure the two important general election battlegrounds will be included at the nominating convention in August.

The analysis lays out merits on all sides of the argument of how many delegates should be seated and how they should be divided. And it underscores a prickly problem -- if the Rules and Bylaws Committee decides to restore any of the states' delegates, there is not a simple way to divide them between Clinton and Barack Obama. - AP"
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Posted by: NewEra | May 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"When the Supreme Court rules that the DNC violated the USA Constitution"

Where does it say in the "USA Constitution" that the DNC may not set the rules to its own nominating process. Seriously, point it out. Please.

HER CAMPAIGN STAFF MADE UP THE MAJORITY THAT DEVISED THE SANCTIONS

HER CAMPAIGN SIGNED OFF ON THEM REPEATEDLY

HILLARY SAID "MICHIGAN DOESN'T COUNT"

When Hillary says her supporters are dumb, SHE MEANS IT.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Supreme Court will take on this case so it should be a done deal (except for additional nuisance suits in the Florida courts). I am politically aware and I don't recall NV and SC moving their primaries up. I thought they held to their original, approved schedule. Would someone please correct of confirm this?

If anything, Florida should have moved their primary back to give its elderly residents enough time to slowly drive to the polls and get their eyes checked before they read the ballot. :-)

Unfortunately no-one ever considers "what if" scenarios. It seems to be a point of pride by certain states to have the earliest caucus or primary. If other states try to move up, then it could create a leapfrog effect with humorous results. Can you imagine Iowa having its caucuses for 2012 in 2009? Hilarity ensues.

Give me a nationwide primary day/caucus day to be held in May and allow every voter in the US to have a voice in the selection of their leaders. Let's make the candidates work hard to convince us that they deserve to spend our money so freely. The let them wheel and deal at the convention so they can have their platforms considered by the eventual nominee. Hilarity is guaranteed as the speeches run adrift.

As you may be able to tell, methinks they doth take themselves too seriously!

Posted by: mattr | May 28, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Hooray!

Posted by: Yuri Lipitzmeov | May 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I am curious why no one has a problem with disenfrachising 1.5 million voters.

I am curious as to why Hillary Clinton's staffers would have voted on the sancitons in the first place, the Clinton campaign signed off on them repeatedly, Hillary said "Michigan doesn't count" and now we hear this BS.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that courts are able to take a decision that directly subverts the one person, one vote principle. I am curious why no one has a problem with disenfrachising 1.5 million voters.

Posted by: thelaw | May 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"When the Supreme Court rules that the DNC violated the USA Constitution and gives damages to both Florida and Michigan voters, the DNC will be bankrupt! and Howard Dean and the DNC Insiders will be sitting in prison!! Then who will be laughing. The Republicans and everyone in the USA who has a brain. The DNC Insiders and and Howard Dean are acting like DICTATORS and should be dealt with accordingly."
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Spoken like a true Republican who thinks it is OK to bend the rules and knows little about the Constitution (or is that Hillary). If you want to learn something about Constitutional Law, check with Senator Obama! YES WE CAN!!!!

Posted by: Shar | May 28, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

There is still another lawsuit out there alledging violation of the Voters Rights Act becuase 5 states moved forward and only 3 were given waivers.

Also, Florida was the Only State where the date of the Primary was out of the control of the Democrat Party and also subject to Department of Justice Rules regarding changing to a caucus.

The DNC knew this & went against their own rules.

You cannot treat states differently, its' not in the Rules.

But, like in 2000, it's in the hands of the courts.

Posted by: ztormtra | May 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

In reaction to the latest wailing from the Clinton camp - 2 more Superdelegates declared today for OBAMA.

He needs a total of 46 delegates to clinch --and he will pick up at least 38 in the remaining 3 primaries.

Just 8 more superdelegates to go.

Posted by: ScrewABunch of FlagPins | May 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Gardner wrote:

"Let me say that I did not know that what we did would upset the DNC. We are individual states and we can hold our primary whenever we want to."
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Actually, you can't. Your state party knew this and went ahead and piggybacked over a bunch of states, anyway. This is against the rules. Sorry.


Posted by: sequoia | May 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Gardner, Florida does have the right to hold its primary whenever it wants. And I have the right to walk into a bank with a gun and demand money. Of course, if I do so, I also must be prepared to accept the penalty because robbing a bank is against the stated, widely publicized rules.

Posted by: Tom, Brier | May 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Let me say that I did not know that what we did would upset the DNC. We are individual states and we can hold our primary whenever we want to. However if, our primary does not allow others to participate, it is not our fault because it is us who are disenfranchise. Of course, we were aware that our decision(s) would be against the stated, widely publicize rules, but we are individual states and we have the right to deviate from those rules. Wow just think if each state was to ignore the widely publicize rules by the DNC. Chaos, chaos, chaos
......

Posted by: Gardner | May 28, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I ask you -- when will we vote Florida off the island so to speak? Seems either the citizenry is too stubborn to ask for help punching a ballot, or to myopic to realize it is the state legislators they should be angry with. The entire delegation cannot be seated for the DNC to have any credibility next time some effwit state decides it wants to hold its primary sooner.

Is this state really worth this much trouble?? Just sayin ... :)

Posted by: Mary | May 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary deliberately violated the rules of the Democratic party and must not be rewarded for it. FL and MI delegates should be seated impartially, so that neither candidate benefits from this transgression.

Posted by: Bodo | May 28, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

This just in-

Hillary will appeal to the World Court in the Hague if she is not awarded all Florida and Michigan delegates (including Obama's and Edwards') and, as punitive damages will ask the Brussels judicial body to award her the United States Presidency - outright.

Posted by: Screw A Bunch or FlagPins | May 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Charlie, I agree the Democratic Party needs to really push (and spend the money to do it) to turn Florida's State government Democratic, as these Republican inspired gimmicks will continue in Florida if Democrats can't gain more strength. The one caution I would point out in this regard, is that the vast majority of State Democratic legislators also voted with the Republicans in Florida to violate both partys' rules.

Posted by: EJB | May 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me of every time I have done something stupid, and broken the law or the rules. I have been punished, and learned because of my transgression.

Of course, I do not live in Florida.

Posted by: steve boyington | May 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

It was just a typical Florida moment as always. The fourth largest state should be the fourth dumbest state.

Posted by: truth1 | May 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Why insist on suing the DNC? HIllary, the problem is not the DNC. I know you want votes. The problem is the republican state senate in Florida that changed the Primary date.. If anone in the democratic party is keen in getting back Florida from the republicans.i.e not only Hillary and Obama but deoccrats and independent, Start with the basics. Obey the rules of DNC. Then campaign to get back the state legsilature.Otherwise at this rate, Democrats are just destroying themselves without solving anything whilre the real culprits, Florida state represenatives are busy campaigning for McCain and Bush

Posted by: charlie | May 28, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The judge should've added an addendum to his ruling directed to the rules and by-laws committee. The addendum should read, grow a backbone, stand behind the rules you put in place and stop waffling like a candidate. Have the delegates seated at the convention in a show of unity but their votes will not count.

Posted by: tydicea | May 28, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"When the Supreme Court rules that the DNC violated the USA Constitution and gives damages to both Florida and Michigan voters, the DNC will be bankrupt! and Howard Dean and the DNC Insiders will be sitting in prison!! Then who will be laughing. The Republicans and everyone in the USA who has a brain. The DNC Insiders and and Howard Dean are acting like DICTATORS and should be dealt with accordingly."

You really should educate yourself before posting, as you come off as just staggeringly uninformed. A political party can choose its candidate in any fashion it wants to. They don't have to have any elections whatsoever. You do not have a constitutional right to vote in a primary, only a general election. The party could flip a coin, hold a convention to choose (as most small political parties do, and as the big parties used to do), or just have their last candidate appoint the new candidate.

Posted by: EJB | May 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Follow the 'dern' rules for a change.

Posted by: K-Town | May 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

That guy should have filed the suit against the Florida party heads who decided to violate DNC rules knowing full well what the consequences would be. Those people are getting a pass on this and need to be held accountable. Also, I think any race or gender bias in the states is coincidental since there were about 6 candidates at the time the rules were created and there was no way of knowing how the primary race would play out. If anything most people agreed that HRC was the favorite and Obama wasn't considered a real threat to her.

Posted by: dcvote | May 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Aussie2020 wrote:

When the Supreme Court rules that the DNC violated the USA Constitution and gives damages to both Florida and Michigan voters, the DNC will be bankrupt! and Howard Dean and the DNC Insiders will be sitting in prison!! Then who will be laughing. The Republicans and everyone in the USA who has a brain. The DNC Insiders and and Howard Dean are acting like DICTATORS and should be dealt with accordingly.

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This reflects some confusion. The Republican National Committee ALSO punished its local Michigan and Florida parties for breaking the rules and holding primaries outside of the approved schedule. However, it did not punish them as severely; it cut their delegate count in half, instead of disallowing all the delegates.

Since this doesn't matter in the slightest to the outcome of the Republican nomination process, no Florida Republican voter that I am aware of has bothered to sue. But that doesn't mean there was some great principled difference between the DNC and RNC on this one.

Both the RNC and the DNC punished the local parties for trying to destroy the primary calendar that had already been agreed to by all--and both thus stood up for the vast majority of states and territories that played by the rules and did the right thing. Shoving and butting in line is never appreciated by the rest of the people in line who are waiting their turn.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | May 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse


No rule, No law,

no sense of decency, no rights of others apply to anything Clinton.

Try to imagine these two in the White House again. With their New York Claque of goons.
Horror show.

Posted by: realistoc | May 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Aussie2020 cried: "When the Supreme Court rules that the DNC violated the USA Constitution and gives damages to both Florida and Michigan voters, the DNC will be bankrupt! and Howard Dean and the DNC Insiders will be sitting in prison!! Then who will be laughing. The Republicans and everyone in the USA who has a brain. The DNC Insiders and and Howard Dean are acting like DICTATORS and should be dealt with accordingly."
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Pfffft - good to see you have the interests of the Democratic party at heart. No wonder you lost. Stop pretending to be a victim. Nobody buys it, and we're sick of your selfish and hysterical threats and vendettas and your idiotic REVENGE! against Democracy itself. Go sit on it.

And don't ignore the warnings and break the rules next time.

Posted by: Shawn | May 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Florida sure is a tough place for dems. First, the supremes rule that they couldn't cherry pick heavily laden dem jurisdictions to enhance a recount that would eventually go to Bush anyway - thereby setting up a decades long wail, and now the dems won't allow everyone a vote in the primaries. Hows that for democracy? The voter doesn't count - only the party thugs have a say. I thought that was the definition of the right.... Oh well, like just about everything else, the left lives and dies by "do as I say - not as I do."

Posted by: anon | May 28, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Here we go . . . protests, committee meetings, smoke, mirrors, back room deals, you name it. The Democrats have it all this cycle.

Who cares anymore? Each faction (Obamans/Clintonites) is sufficiently irritated at the other, that NEITHER will vote for the other's candidate in November.

The damage is already done and thus, the general is already lost to the Republicans.

Tune in. Turn on. Drop out.

Posted by: O'Leary from Beyond | May 28, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Why is this doofus suing the DNC? Why isn't he suing the individuals/party leaders in FL who decided to break the rules. Isn't it ironic that the reason Florida and MI broke the rules was so that their vote would carry more weight?

That makes me laugh. FL is ALWAYS f'ing up our elections. Why can't they just follow simple rules like everyone else?

Posted by: martiniano | May 28, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Florida should have thought about this before breaking the rules.

Too bad.

Posted by: ChrisB | May 28, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Which is it? Does everyone play by the rules, change the rules, or change the game to challenge the rules. Regardles of the answer, the pressure should be on the individuals that made such poor political judgement in disregarding the rules. Not the candidates....

Posted by: Tobiasc | May 28, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

When the Supreme Court rules that the DNC violated the USA Constitution and gives damages to both Florida and Michigan voters, the DNC will be bankrupt! and Howard Dean and the DNC Insiders will be sitting in prison!! Then who will be laughing. The Republicans and everyone in the USA who has a brain. The DNC Insiders and and Howard Dean are acting like DICTATORS and should be dealt with accordingly.

Posted by: Aussie2020 | May 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I am at a lost as to why they broke the rules...

What was the purpose?

We, Hillary... as a very smart man once said..."Some of the best laid plans"... I guess you can't blame Obama; the DNC or anyone of the others you've been pointing fingers at... for this situation!

The Court has ruled... and their decision is in!

OMG!!!! what are you going to do now??????

Posted by: puddlescited | May 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

But seriously, just for a second, if we allowed them in, or a court found they had to be allowed back in, what precedent does that sent? Can any state do what they did now? Campaigns will end up starting 4 years early.

We'll have three presidential campaigns going on at one time!

Posted by: G-man | May 28, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

ROFLMAO

Posted by: Dangling Chad | May 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I am planning to golf Sunday so I can watch the Rules Committee meeting on tv LIVE!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse


I guess they shouldn't have ignored the warnings and broke the rules.

Cry me a river.

Posted by: Shawn | May 28, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!

Posted by: Obama '08 | May 28, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

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