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Indiana voters turned out for a Hillary Clinton campaign stop in Indianapolis on Saturday featuring famous native John Mellencamp. Some say they are still undecided as to which Democratic candidate they will vote for in Tuesday's primary. (Francine Uenuma / washingtonpost.com)

By Web Politics Editor  |  May 4, 2008; 11:54 AM ET
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Obama's priorities not us Americans our
Country or our Economy. The only Bill
sponsored and passed from Obama is a Bill call Global Poverty Act (S 2433) This Bill
calls for a mandatory tax on us to alleviate global poverty, mostly Africa. It
is $345B, we already contribute $300B to
world poverty. This Bill also has very
unsettling provisions regarding women and children. There are concerned people about
this very deceiving piece of legislation trying to defeat it in the Senate as Bush said he will sign it, I'm one of them. Please research this Bill and ask you Representative in DC to stop it but act now
before is too late, there is little time left, but if you act now we will prevailed.
We cannot afford this Bill or Obama for
Pres.

Posted by: amurcia | May 5, 2008 3:38 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS A BETTER PERSON ALL THE WAY AROUND...............HILLARY IS AN OLD FART.......THAT CANNOT TELL THE TRUTH TO SAVE HER LIFE.........

Posted by: GEE | May 5, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I would be nice if the immature spammers comments would be removed.

Posted by: Evelyn | May 5, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

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" I WOULD BOMB PAKISTAN!"


barak obama, october 2007

real facts, for liberals in denial.


jusa

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Posted by: JenniferUSA | May 4, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA's LIST OF LIES:

by Shallow Hal
SavagePolitics.com Contributor
(ORIGINAL AUTHOR of the now famous "Barack Obama's LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES")

CHARGE 1 - "The March on Selma got me born."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama was born August 4th, 1961. The march on Selma began March 7th, 1965. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama was talking about the general movement, not specifically about Selma.

REBUTTTAL - Senator Obama was in Selma, Alabama, before a mostly AA crowd at the Brown Chapel AME Church on March 4th, 2007. He clearly stated "because some folks were willing to march across a bridge . . . they (his parents) got together, and Barack Obama, Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama!" Barack Hussein Obama was born on August 4, 1961. The first march on Selma, Alabama occurred on March 7, 1965.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 2 - "My father was just a simple, impoverished goat herder."

EVIDENCE - Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a privileged, well educated youth, who's tribal family owned and controlled all tribal land. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - He was poor to start off with, he only became an educated and successful man later in life.

REBUTTAL - Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was privileged from the moment of his birth. Being born into the powerful tribe of the Luo, he was graced with an 'upper class' lifestyle. He later would go on to be 'Big Man' of the tribe and work as a Senior Economist in the Kenyan Government.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 3 - "My father believed in the 'power of the people'. I believe in the 'power of the people'."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama has often stated that his 'father's attributes' are ones that he has sought in his own life. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was part of a corrupt Kenyan government in the 1960s. He believed in taking land from it's owners and taxation up to 100%, 'if benefits' were 'commensurate to their income'. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM - What does it matter what Senator Obama's father believed in?

REBUTTAL- Senator Obama portrays himself as a 'new politician' with a 'new way' of getting things done. Senator Obama has stated, "I did feel that there was something to prove . . . to my father." Senator Obama also stated further, in his book Dreams Of My Father, "It was into my father's image . . . that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself." His father's 'attributes' included '100% taxation' and repossession of land and property against the will of the rightful owner. Thus seeking the 'favor' of his father, and using his father's 'attributes' as a model, Senator Obama therefore must maintain similar ideals and respect for 'the people'. How these 'policies' are an example of 'belief in power of the people' is obviously highly questionable.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 4 - My family has strong ties to 'African freedom'."

EVIDENCE - Raila Odinga committed genocide while attempting to overturn the 2007 Kenyan elections. Senator Obama and Raila Odinga are first cousins. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2 , SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - What does it matter what Senator Obama's African relatives do in Africa?

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama campaigned for his cousin while on a visit to said country. Senator Obama claims a distinct debt to his familial ties, painting them in a light that is downright revisionist.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 5 - "President Kennedy rescued my father from Kenyan obscurity and airlifted him to the American Dream."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's father came in September 1960, while EISENHOWER was President. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM - But his father did come to the U.S. so what is the big deal?

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama misrepresents historical events. No speech by President John F. Kennedy brought Senator Obama's father to the U.S. in 1960. John F. Kennedy was not President in 1960, Dwight D. Eisenhower was President. The Senator is attempting to subtly equate himself with J.F.K., subconsciously implying he would be a similar President. Senator Obama, you are no Jack Kennedy.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 6 - "My Kenyan Grandmother has always been a Christian."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's Grandmother's own interviews contradict this statement. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM - What does it matter what Senator Obama's African relatives do?

REBUTTAL -It goes to a person's character and willingness to evade, distort, or rewrite history. Senator Obama's Grandmother does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews (per Islamic law). Not to mention, Christianity does not allow for a woman to be one of 14 wives to 1 man. Senator Obama's use of his Grandmother as an example of how 'Christian' his family is, in order to counter accusations of secretly being a Muslim, sustains the idea that the Senator is deliberately distorting the truth to cover-up associations and 'fatherly attributes' that he knows are problematic to his election, should he be forthcoming about them. His decision to make statements patently false in order to propagate a more 'electable' image speaks not only to his character but to his judgment. Distortions or edits to evidence that wholly misrepresent the truth is dishonest.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 7 - "My first name (Barack) is not Arabic - it is Swahili."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's name is Arabic in origin, not Swahili. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, Columnist Says Barack Obama 'Lied To The American People;' Asks Publisher to Withdraw Obama's Book, NEW YORK, Aug. 10 /PRNewswire/

COUNTER CLAIM - What does it matter where Senator Obama's name originates?

REBUTTAL - If the origin of his name doesn't matter, then why publicly lie about it? There is no transliteration between the alphabets of Arabic and Swahili. The Africanized derivative of the Arabic 'Baraka' is Barack, but the origin and source is entirely Arabic. Senator Obama again distorts the facts in an attempt to distance himself from associations he deems politically inexpedient. Senator Obama's middle name, Hussein, is also Arabic. Naturally, so is the Senator's last name, Obama.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 8 - "I never practiced Islam."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama practiced Islam daily at Meteng Primary school, where he was registered as a Muslim. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - What does it matter whether Senator Obama practiced Islam as a child?

REBUTTAL - If there is no importance to the fact that Senator Obama practiced Islam as a child, then what is the motivation for lying about it publicly? Indonesia requires students to study religion. Barry Soetoro was registered as a Muslim at the Meteng Primary School. One cannot participate in any studies within a Madrassa without practicing Islam.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 9 - "My school in Indonesia was Christian."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama was registered as a Muslim at Meteng Primary School. The school offered Christian classes as well. Barry Soetoro did not attend them. He later spent 2 years in a Catholic school SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM - What does it matter that Senator Obama's school was Islamic or Catholic?

REBUTTAL - Again, If there is no importance to the fact that Senator Obama practiced Islam as a child, then what is the motivation for lying about it publicly? Indonesia requires all students to study religion. Barry Soetoro was enrolled as a Muslim at the Menteng Primary School where he studied among other subjects, Islam. In 1969 Barry attended a Catholic School. This is the only schooling Senator Obama discusses, thus Meteng has been somewhat covered up. Why one would ask? The only conclusion that can be drawn from this scenario is that Senator Obama lied about this school and its subject matter for political expediency. In later comments the Senator stated he did not attend an Islamic school, but in his book "Dreams Of My Father" he states that he 'got in trouble for making faces in Koranic studies' and was disciplined by his mother. One would ask how many Catholic students remember being taught the Koran by their nuns.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 10 - "I am fluent in Indonesian."

EVIDENCE - Not one teacher says that Senator Obama could speak the language at the time. SOURCE 1, (Kirsten Scharnberg and Kim Barker, "The Not-So-Simple Story Of Barack Obama's Youth," Chicago Tribune)

COUNTER CLAIM - What does it matter that Senator Obama can't speak fluent Indonesian?

REBUTTAL - YET AGAIN, if it does not matter, what is the motivation for lying about it publicly? Apparently we are to infer, by Senator Obama's supposed "fluency" in Indonesian, that he is very sophisticated and experienced in "foreign affairs". Perhaps Senator Obama feels that grade school French and Spanish qualifies most U.S. students as UN diplomats.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 11 - "I lived in Indonesia. I have more foreign experience than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama lived in Indonesia from the ages of 6 to 10. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Living in a foreign country is a much more in-depth experience than just visiting one.

REBUTTAL - To imply that living in a foreign country, for 4 years as a child, is equitable to official trips representing the U.S. Government is completely without merit. Also, implying that it also equates to receiving classified information and studying these subjects with personal political experience is quite ludicrous to say the least.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 12 - "My foreign travels and life experience better qualify me to address our nation's closest Allies."

EVIDENCE - Except for Africa and Middle Eastern Muslim countries, Senator Obama has never been anywhere else in the world. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM - The Middle East is an important area and so is Africa.

REBUTTAL - Indeed it is, but that is not what Senator Obama was arguing in this statement. He categorically stated he would be better qualified to meet with our nation's 'closest' allies. Pakistan, Indonesia, India, Kenya, and Iraq can hardly be considered America's 'closest' allies. Implying visits to 7 countries in nearly 47 years (4 of which were in his youth) is somehow equitable to visiting 80 countries in 18 years, (as has his opponent, Senator Clinton, in various official governmental capacities) is completely dishonest.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 13 - "I was ethnically confused, that is why I used drugs."

EVIDENCE - Fellow classmates describe racial tensions and meetings discussing such issues. Barry Obama was not in attendance. SOURCE 1, (Kirsten Scharnberg and Kim Barker, "The Not-So-Simple Story Of Barack Obama's Youth," Chicago Tribune, 3/25/07), Dreams From My Father, pages 93-94.

COUNTER CLAIM - He admitted to using drugs in his youth. So what?

REBUTTAL - Either Senator Obama's family was to be idealized and their 'attributes' incorporated into his life to assist with his success, or his family's ambiguity, and latent racism drove him to drug use. Either the first is a false reality, or the second, but they cannot both be correct.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 14 - "I understand what it is to be an African American."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama is not African American according to U.S. Law. Senator Obama is an Arab-American according to U.S. Law. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama's father is from Kenya (Black African) and he (Obama) was born in America. How can you say he is not African American?

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama's racial background consists of the following: 50% white (mother, both sides), 43.25% Arabic (father, both sides), and 6.25% African Negro (father, one side, 1 generation removed). 12.5% is the legal threshold one must prove to claim racial status under the law. In addition, Senator Obama cannot make a sociological claim as an African American either. He was not raised as an African American, was not raised by African Americans, and was not raised in an African American neighborhood.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 15 - "I was an underprivileged youth."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama attended prep schools and later on went to Harvard Law. His Grandparents were wealthy bankers and his Step-father was an Oil Executive. His mother was also a P.H.D.. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - He went to school on a scholarship and had to use food stamps to survive.

REBUTTAL - From the ages of 2 - 6, Senator Obama was raised by his wealthy, grandparents. From the ages of 6 - 10, Senator Obama was raised by his mother and his step-father who was an Oil Executive in Indonesia; from the age of 10 until his early adulthood, Senator Obama was living again with his wealthy grandparents, one of which was the Vice President of the Bank of Hawaii. Senator Obama has attended prep schools like Occidental College, paid for by HIS FAMILY. He then went on to Harvard, the State Senate of Illinois, and the U.S. Senate.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 16 - "An Ebony article changed my life."

EVIDENCE - Ebony has yet to "find" the article Senator Obama mentions in his book. The FACT is that It doesn't, and never has, existed. SOURCE 1, (Kirsten Scharnberg and Kim Barker, "The Not-So-Simple Story Of Barack Obama's Youth," Chicago Tribune, 3/25/07)

COUNTER CLAIM - What is the big deal? He forgot the name of the magazine.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama made an unequivocal statement. Ebony has found no such article. Promptly, Senator Obama made a new, unequivocal statement that it must have been Life magazine instead (read bellow). All evidence, both past and present, supports Ebony's claim that the article does not and never did exist.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 17 - "A Life magazine article changed my outlook on life."

EVIDENCE - Life has yet to find the article that Senator Obama mentions in his book. The FACT is that it doesn't, and has never existed. SOURCE 1, (Kirsten Scharnberg and Kim Barker, "The Not-So-Simple Story Of Barack Obama's Youth," Chicago Tribune, 3/25/07)

COUNTER CLAIM - What is the big deal? He forgot the name of the magazine again.

REBUTTAL - As in CHARGE 16, Senator Obama made an unequivocal statement. Life magazine has found no such article. All evidence, both past and present, supports Life's claim that the article does not and never did exist.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 18 - "I will NOT run on a National Ticket in 2008 because I won't have enough experience by then."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama announced his intent to run for President of the United States in February, 2007. He is currently still in the race for the Nomination of the Democratic Party, for President of the United States (April, 2008). SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama is entitled to change his mind.

REBUTTAL - The Senator certainly is entitled to change his mind, but changing his mind is not what the argument is about. It is about his unequivocal statement that he would not run on a National Ticket in 2008, specifically because he would not have the appropriate experience needed ("some people may be comfortable doing that, I am not one of those people") SOURCE. He is currently running for the top slot on the National Ticket for the Presidency of the United States (April, 2008).

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 19 - "I do not vote 'Present' any more than any other IL Representative."

EVIDENCE - While 'Present' votes may not be unusual in Illinois, the number of 'Present' votes that Senator Obama placed ARE disproportionate. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, NY Times 12/20/07 by Raymond Hernandez and Christopher Drew

COUNTER CLAIM - 'Present' votes are used to block portions of undesirable legislation and is a common tactic in Illinois.

REBUTTAL - The issue at hand is not the purpose of the 'Present' votes but rather their frequency. 129 'Present' votes is not a common number for any Representative in the Illinois State House, other than Senator Obama.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 20 - Oops, "I 'misvoted' a couple times in the Illinois State House."

EVIDENCE - Only when caught by church groups and fellow Democrats, did Senator Obama request to change his half dozen "misvotes" in the Illinois State House. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Anyone can make a mistake while voting.

REBUTTAL - The only time Senator Obama admitted to misvoting was when he was criticized for such votes. Inexplicably, Senator Obama followed such misvotes with 'Present' votes.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 21 - "I barely know William Ayers" - A.K.A. - Abu Zayd

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama announced the start of his Senate campaign from the front steps of William Ayers' home, in the neighborhood that they share. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Just because Senator Obama lives in the same neighborhood with Ayers doesn't prove they knew each other well.

REBUTTAL - William Ayers (or Abu-Zayd), Louis Farrakhan, and Senator Obama all live in the same neighborhood. Ayers is the founder of the Woods Fund, of which Senator Obama was it's director from 1999 to 2002. Perhaps one might ask oneself; who chooses the director of the Wood Fund? Perhaps its founder? Secondly, if Senator Obama announced his campaign run in Illinois from Ayers's home, did he not ask Ayers' permission first? If the Senator did not know Abu-Zayd Ayers well, then how did he come to choose Ayers' front steps to announce his campaign? Random chance?

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 22 - "I support a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms."

EVIDENCE - We enter into evidence a few of Senator Obama's quotes and votes on gun control: "Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions." (Jul 1998), "Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers." (Jul 2005). SOURCE 1, Source 2: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007, Source 3: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998, Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama just wants to prevent criminals for finding and using guns.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama's policy on guns seems to change specifically in regards to the audience he is addressing. There are many quotes from the Senator in which he suggests an all out ban on handguns. Bare in mind that these bans PRIMARILY affect LEGAL gun ownership.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 23 - "I Was A Constitutional Lawyer"

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama was a senior lecturer on leave of absence. He has never practiced Constitutional Law, nor ever obtained any such 'title'. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - He taught Constitutional law at his University and he is a lawyer.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama was NEVER a Constitutional Lawyer, nor a PROFESSOR of Law.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 24 - "I Was A Professor Of Law."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama was a senior lecturer on leave of absence. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - He taught Constitutional law at his University. He is a lawyer.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama was NEVER a Professor of Law, nor a Constitutional Lawyer.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 25 - "An Army Captain came to me and told me his company was divided and short of ammo." (claim made by Senator Obama during a debate.)

EVIDENCE - The Captain in question said the Senator had twisted the details. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - The Senator was speaking in generalities, trying to paint a picture of what is going on on the battlefield.

REBUTTAL - The Captain in question gave specific details about the situation, all of which contradicted Senator Obama's claims.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 26 - "I passed a tough Nuclear Bill. I am strong on Nuclear Regulation."

EVIDENCE - The Bill did not pass, primarily because there was very little nuclear regulation in it. This could be attributed to the fact that the nuclear power company, Exelon, has been a donor to all of Senator Obama's campaigns thus far. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Just because Senator Obama's campaign manager is connected to Exelon doesn't mean Senator Obama wouldn't regulate Exelon.

REBUTTAL - Curiously, Senator Obama's bill never passed, thanks to it's own structural deficiencies.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 27 - "I quickly released my financial and legislative records, because I have no special interest connections to hide."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama took 13 months to release his records, while calling for months for his opponents to release theirs during the same period. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2 , SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Clinton took most of the year to release her tax records.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama announced his Presidential run in Feb. 2007. He only released his records, incomplete ones at that, in March, 2008. Said records are riddled with special interest proposals and hidden pork. One example is General Dynamics. General Dynamics was the beneficiary of at least one of Obama earmarks, receiving $1.3 Million dollars for its high-explosive technology program, for the Army's Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 28 - "I have the solutions to repair our economy."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama voted against his own economic proposal package. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2

COUNTER CLAIM - Washington is in a stalemate. Senator Obama has fresh ideas.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama's 111 economic proposals were just combined into an amendment to a bill, and the amendment was defeated 97-0. Senator Obama rejected his own proposals; apparently, they were not the solutions or 'fresh ideas' he was speaking about.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 29 - "I have been a bold leader in Illinois."

EVIDENCE - The Senator's own supporters cannot recall any 'Bold' action on his part. SOURCE 1 , SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - He passed legislation to videotape interrogations by the police department.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama indeed passed into law such various bills, however, a great many of these bills were only 'appointed' to him as their sponsor - meaning they were created and worked by others and then Senator Obama's name was placed on the legislation to give him credit for the bill. In regards to the Taped Interrogations legislation, most cities in the nation have been taping police interrogations for decades. That would hardly seem 'bold'. Missing or refusing to vote on bills 129 times does not further the argument of 'bold' action either.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 30 - "I barely know Tony Rezko. I did about 5 hours of billed work for him."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama has known Antoin Rezko for 17 years. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama meets many people. He is a Senator.

REBUTTAL - Antoin Rezko first spoke with Senator Obama in 1990. Senator Obama worked at the Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland Law firm, specializing in legal issues involving land development. It is in this area of law that the Senator came in contact with Rezko and his company, Rezmar Corp. Senator Obama left the law firm for the State Legislature, while one of the firm's founders, Mr. Allison Davis, left his firm to form a new development company, New Kenwood LLC - with none other than Mr. Antoin Rezko. Once in the State Legislature, and still performing periodic work for his old law firm (now Miner, Barnhill, & Galland), Senator Obama used his elected position to provide legitimacy to his friend's new venture. He crafted a letter to the legislature that ultimately secured $855,000 in 'development fees' for his pals, Rezko and Davis. Mr. Rezko went on to be quite a staunch campaign donor for the Senator, raising at least $250,000 for Senator Obama while in Illinois.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 31 - "I have never met Nadhmi Auchi."

EVIDENCE - Recent testimony in the Rezko Trial has placed Senator Obama and his wife at a party where Mr. Auchi was in attendance. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - The Senator goes to a lot of events. This must have slipped his mind.

REBUTTAL - Whether it slipped his mind or not, the Senator did not deny that we was there (an indication that he believes further proof may exist to place him there) just that he did not remember the meeting. Strangely enough, the party was held just one week prior to the U.S. election in which he won his seat.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 32 - "I don't have 'bundlers' and I don't take PAC money."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama has 79 bundlers and has collected over $13,000,000 in lobbyist PAC money. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has been careful not to compromise himself, "rejecting campaign support from Political Action Committees and lobbyists."

REBUTTAL - Here is a starter list of Senator Obama's registered lobbyists:

Timothy Broas $100,000, Frank Clark $200,000, Howard Gutman $200,000, Scott Harris (DC) $200,000, Allan Katz $200,000, William Lake (DC) $50,000, Robert S. Litt $not given, Kenneth Lore (DC) $50,000, Thomas Perrelli $200,000, Thomas Reed $200,000, Paul Roth $50,000, Alan Solomont $100,000, Robert M. Sussman (DC) $50,000, Tom Wheeler (DC) $100,000. $1,700,000 dollars from these registered lobbyists, or four times more than Obama's officially declared lobbyist sum. To date there are at least 38 such individual lobbyists donating to Senator Obama's campaign. PS - Having the wives of these individuals write the checks does not alter where the money came from.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 33 - "I don't take money from lobbyists."

EVIDENCE - At least 38 Individuals on Senator Obama's campaign are or work for lobbyists. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Most of the individuals you site are lawyers, not lobbyists.

REBUTTAL - Most of the lawyers that make up this list work for firms that lobby the Government. 31 of them manage registered lobbyists. You may parse the definitions - these lawyers and/or their firms lobby the government and donate to Senator Obama's campaign. Either way, he takes money from lobbyists.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 34 - "I don't take money from oil companies."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama has taken nearly $250,000 from oil companies. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Clinton has taken even more money from oil companies.

REBUTTAL - Senator Clinton never stated she did not take money from oil companies; Senator Obama is the one that said that. Distinguishing himself as a 'cleaner' politician, less beholden to the oil companies, Senator Obama has obviously not been forthright about this issue. Senator Obama accepts money from oil companies and does so to this day.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 35 - "I have clean connections, unlike my opponents and most of Washington."

EVIDENCE - Rezko, William Ayers (Abu-Zayd), Nadmi Auchi, Rashid Khalidi, Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks, Louis Farrakhan. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5, SOURCE 6, SOURCE 7

COUNTER CLAIM - Guilt by association is not fair.

REBUTTAL - Associations one chooses to initiate and/or maintain speaks to one's character and judgment. For instance, Antoin Rezko - who is currently on trial for Corruption. Senator Obama has received a quarter of a million dollars from this individual, and has had to return it in ever increasing amounts, as the Senator was caught not truthfully disclosing the amount donated. Senator Obama also decided to participate in a real estate deal with Mr. Rezko during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, The Senator made a deal to purchase a home, by dividing the property with the Rezko family. The property in question was divided, lot VS. House, because it was out of The Senator's price range. And so was the down payment. Perhaps this is where Auchi comes in? Only the trial of Rezko can tell us. Continuing, once it was determined that the Senator could not afford the property, $300K was promptly removed from the asking price (in 2005, before mortgage problems drove down home prices). Rezko's wife stepped in to buy the lot the Senator couldn't afford, saving him $625,000. Another associate of Senator Obama's is the founder of the Woods Fund, for which the Senator was its Director for 4 years, William (Abu-Zayd) Ayers. Abu-Zayd, or William Ayers as he was known then, was an American Terrorist who attempted to bomb the Pentagon. Next on our list would be Nadmi Auchi - Iraqi Billionaire swindler who helped himself to money from the Food Or Oil program and may have assisted the Senator is securing the money to put down on his Chicago mansion. Next we have Rashid Khalidi - former PLO spokesman and supporter of terrorism against Israel. Next we have the infamous Jeremiah Wright and James Meeks - rabid racists, anti-American preachers/community leaders, both have an affinity or a direct connection to the Nation of Islam. Speaking of the Nation of Islam, we next have Louis Farrakhan - renowned racist, anti-American, voracious Anti-Semite and homophobe - leader of the Nation of Islam. One would like to ask Senator Obama which of these individuals are the 'clean' ones?

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 36 - "Unlike Senator Clinton, my donations have been thoroughly checked."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama took donations from arrested Bundler, Norman Hsu (as did Clinton) and Antoin Tony Rezko. Rezko is currently on trial for corruption (April, 2008). SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama donated the money from Hsu and Rezko as soon as he found out.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama only gave back the money raised by Rezko when the media reported the donations. He gave back $7,000 to Norman Hsu, but with Antoin Rezko things went a little differently. First Senator Obama claimed that it was $66,000 he had received from Rezko; when the media proved it was more, Senator Obama claimed that his campaign had discovered and then donated $86,000 to charity. When the media discovered, yet again, there was more Rezko money then reported, Senator Obama stated that indeed they had found $150,000 that had come from Rezko. Senator Obama, seemingly exasperated with the story, claimed he had done all he could to find the funds raised for him by Rezko, and that he had donated all of it to charity. Alas, the media discovered again, it wasn't $150,000 but rather $250,000 Rezko had raised. When confronted with the new figures, Senator Obama was forced to admit that his campaign had found $250,000 of Rezko donations, but that ultimately only $90,000, NOT $150,000, had been donated after all. The campaign was forced to disclose the funds in question had already been used by the campaign. Senator Obama did not make up the difference and donate it to charity, despite having raised some $243,000,000 to date (April, 2008)

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 37 - "I only discovered I had investment conflicts through the mail."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's investment conflicts were not brought to his attention by mail. Skyterra and AVI never sent letters to Senator Obama. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, (Nedra Pickler, "Obama Unaware Of Investment Conflicts," The Associated Press, 3/7/07)

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama is a busy man. He must have forgotten.

REBUTTAL - Both Skyterra and AVI have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent. In fact Skyterra didn't send out a stockholder's letter to ANYONE in 2005, the year Senator Obama's conflict was uncovered, but was not disclosed by the Senator until reported in the media.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 38 - "I sponsored dozens of my own bills in one year and passed them in the Illinois State Senate."

EVIDENCE - State Senator Ricky Hendon 'appointed' Obama as sponsor of Hendon's high-profile legislation. Not one of those Bills was truly sponsored by Senator Obama. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - But Senator Obama did sponsor and pass the bills.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama was 'appointed' the sponsor of bills originated and crafted by Senator Hendon. Senator Obama attached his signature to the bill, thus conspicuously taking credit for it's sponsorship and passage. Additionally Emil Jones had to direct Senator Obama to craft certain legislation. It was not spontaneously created by Senator Obama.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 39 - "I believe in fairness, not tactics, to win elections."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama hired a team of investigators to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against him. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Some of the signatures for Alice Palmer were forged.

REBUTTAL - 4 of the signatures were found to be forgeries. Senator Obama used investigators and little known political tactics to eliminate his opposition. He then went on to run uncontested.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 40 - "I cleaned up the Altgeld Gardens Asbestos case."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama failed to mention the many others who assisted and had taken the lead in solving this problem. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2 (Peter Wallsten, "Obama Memoir Left Out Credits For Activism, Critics Say," Los Angeles Times, 2/19/07)

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama DID solve the problem of Altgeld Gardens.

REBUTTAL - Left to stand alone, the implication from Senator Obama is that he was the person that solved the Altgeld Gardens issue, alone. This is patently false.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 41 - "I inspire people with my words."

EVIDENCE - Obama inspires people with other people's words. It's called plagiarizing. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Lots of people borrow a few words from speeches. That's not plagiarizing.

REBUTTAL - Plagiarism refers to another person's intellectual creations being passed off as one's own. Plagiarism is not nullified because the material was used with permission, which until caught by the media, Senator Obama did not have (permission) in regards to Deval Patrick's speeches. Senator Obama uses his speeches, and their reactions, as evidence that he is connecting with his audience through his own power, and thus based on that power and it's unique capacity to inspire citizens, we should elect him to office. Senator Obama has plagiarized speeches, songs, and entire passages of dialogue from film and television. Additionally, a large portion of Senator Obama's speeches that were not plagiarized were written by his very young and White speech-writer Jon Favreau, NOT Senator Obama.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 42 - "No one from my campaign discussed NAFTA with anyone in Canada."

EVIDENCE - The Canadian Government issued the names and details of the conversation Senator Obama's campaign had with them. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama is a busy man - he just goofed.

REBUTTAL - Again? Senator Obama has made a multitude of unequivocal, absolute statements of fact which have proven to be complete fabrications once investigated. The fact is the Canadian Government, when accused of inventing the story by Senator Obama's campaign, released details of a memo and the names of the participants in the conversation. Senator Obama's campaign offered no rebuttal. Perhaps because there was no rebuttal to be made - the story was true from the start.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 43 - "I won Michigan!"

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama removed his name from the ballot after horrible poll numbers showed he would lose big. He later attempted to get voters to choose Uncommitted as a way of showing their support for him; Senator Clinton beat everyone on and off the ballot 55% to 40%. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot.

REBUTTAL - If Senator Obama's name wasn't on the ballot, how then did he win? Senator Obama deliberately removed his name from the ballot after extensive polling conducted early in the campaign showed he would lose significantly. Thus Senator Obama took his name off the ballot, not because Party Rules said the vote wouldn't count. If that were the Senator's reasoning, why did he leave his name on the ballot in Florida? Perhaps because extensive polling in Florida early on showed him that he stood a good chance of picking up quite a few delegates should he be able to force their inclusion at the convention. Seeing as he was utterly destroyed in the Florida Primary, where all names were on the ballot but only Senator Obama ran ads, he hasn't sought to seat any of the delegates he won.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 44 - "I won Nevada."

EVIDENCE - Senator Clinton won Nevada 51% to 45% over Senator Obama. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2,

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama won 13 delegates, Clinton only won 12, so Senator Obama won Nevada!

REBUTTAL - Senator Clinton won Nevada 51% to 45% over Senator Obama. With 2 Super Delegates selecting her in Nevada, she won 14 delegates total to Senator Obama's 13.
She also won the Popular vote.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 45 - "I believe in every vote counting. I support the people's vote as their voice."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama stalled on revote options in Michigan and Florida, until it was too late to hold any revote. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Caucuses are cheaper and they are a legal form of voting.

REBUTTAL - Caucuses may be cheap and they may be legal, for now, but they are a poor way to represent the will of the people. Caucuses force public declarations of choice in front of family, friends, and possibly employers. They have a very short window of operation and are often held during work hours in the middle of a work day. Their results are in the low tens of thousands, thus that small majority is held to reflect the will of a state with millions of registered voters. As for Michigan and Florida, despite being penalized by party leaders for shifts in the election dates beyond the party's control in the state, Senator Obama was in no hurry to offer any solution other than a quick, cheap caucus for Florida and Michigan. Ultimately his stalling and tactics ran the clock out; millions of voters voices will not be heard.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 46 - "I didn't run ads in Florida."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama was the only democratic candidate running ads in the state. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - No Democratic candidate ran ads in Florida.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and still lost by nearly 300,000 votes. One phone call could have stopped the ads. He left them to run.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 47 - "My campaign was extorted by a friend!"

EVIDENCE - Old classmate Keith Kakugawa was "infuriated" by the charge and flatly denied it. (Maurice Possley, Kirsten Scharnberg and Ray Gibson, "An Old Friend's Troublesome Return," Chicago Tribune, 3/25/07), (Maurice Possley, et al, "An Old Friend's Troublesome Return,"
Chicago Tribune, 3/25/07)

COUNTER CLAIM - Mr. Kakugawa is homeless and desperate and is trying to use Senator Obama's new found fame to his advantage.

REBUTTAL - Mr. Kakugawa has done nothing of the sort. Senator Obama, clearly having a case for extortion or blackmail, in addition to libel if his own claims are true, has not sought legal assistance with this onslaught of defamation. No news agency has reported any aggressive dialogue from Mr. Kakugawa and no claims or charges of misconduct have so far been aired on any media outlet.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 48 - "My campaign didn't do the "1984" hate ad against Clinton. We didn't have the capabilities or the inclination."

EVIDENCE - Your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple laptop, in one afternoon. (CNN's "Larry King Live," 3/24/07), (Jake Tapper and Jonathan Greenberger, "Anti-Clinton Ad Maker Lived With Obama Senate Staffer," ABC News, 3/23/07), (Dan Morain, "Ad Creator Claimed Role In Obama Campaign," Los Angeles Times, 3/23/07), (Jake Tapper and Jonathan Greenberger, "Anti-Clinton Ad Maker Lived With Obama Senate Staffer," ABC News, 3/23/07)

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama can't be on top of everything while traveling the country. He says his campaign wasn't involved and I believe him!

REBUTTAL - "1984" Ad creator Phil De Vellis was an employee of the Blue State Digital computer firm that is among Obama's consultants. Senator Obama's claim that his campaign's connections to De Vellis were thin at best, were further eroded when it was revealed The Senator's Press Secretary had recently lived with Mr. De Vellis. Furthermore earlier emails from De Vellis bragged about how he had created My.BarackObama.org, while working at Blue State Digital. Joe Rospars, Blue State Digital's founder, is now Senator Obama's media director.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
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CHARGE 49 - "I have sponsored and passed plenty of Bills in the U.S. Senate. I have experience."

EVIDENCE - You have passed 2 BILLs in the U.S. Senate - one for Africa and one that makes lobbyists stand while they eat. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has sponsored 123 Bills in the US Senate.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama has one of the worst records for getting bills passed that he has sponsored in the US Senate. That sounds like experience most of us wouldn't want. The Senator has sponsored and passed 2 Bills in the US Senate - one for the Congo (shock and awe?) and one that makes lobbyists stand when they eat. Impressive work for 4 years on the job.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 50 - "I am tough on Terrorism!"

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's friends include Louis Farrakhan, Rashid Khalidi, Nadhmi Auchi, and Ali Abunimah, most support Palestinian terrorism and the destruction of Israel. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama said he would strike terrorists in Pakistan, even without permission. That is tough.

REBUTTAL - That is not tough - it is stupid. Pakistan is a nuclear nation and a fragile if not reluctant ally of the United States. Senator Obama missed the Iran Resolution to declare the Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. In addition, he remains on friendly terms and accepts donations from Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright - Nation of Islam members that support Hamas' call for the destruction of Israel. Wright even reprinted the Hamas Manifesto for his church members, possibly including the Obama family, who were in attendance. Senator Obama continues his associations with Rashid Khalidi, the former PLO spokesman and supporter of Palestinian Suicide Bombers. Nadhmi Auchi and Ali Abunimah have been involved financially with structures opposed to Israel's right to exist. With friends like these, including American Terrorist William Abu-Zayd Ayers, who needs Jihadists?

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 51 - "I respect the office of the President. I will do everything I can to uphold it's honor and integrity."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's campaign has secretly discussed NAFTA and has legitimized the FARC terrorist organization, outside of the public's knowledge and before the Senator has won the election. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - There is little evidence that Senator Obama has dealt with either NAFTA or the FARC.

REBUTTAL - The Canadian Government released details of a conversation that Senator Obama's campaign said never happened, showing that the Senator's representatives were discussing NAFTA prior to the Senator having won the Nomination, let alone the Presidency. In addition, Raul Reyes, the leader of the FARC terrorist organization attempting to topple the Columbian Government was found dead. On his corpse was found communication relating to legitimacy status once Senator Obama was elected President. This letter eluded to Senator Obama's campaign having contacted the former FARC leader.

I'm not President, I just play one on TV - doesn't seem very respectful to us.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 52 - "I am stronger on the issue of the Iraq than either Senator Clinton or Senator McCain."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama has voted for every single Iraq bill since taking office. With many Iraqi millionaires donating to Senator Obama's campaign, perhaps they have been promised something once U.S. forces leave. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SORUCE 4, SOURCE 5, SOURCE 6

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama did not vote for this war!

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama was not in office to have to decide on the war. The Senator has made several comments implying that many of his stances or not that very different from the President. Of course over the course of the campaign, that rhetoric has gone all but silent. Where Denis Kucinich has voted against even the funding of the war, thus forcing its end, Senator Obama has voted for every single monetary increase in spending so far brought forward. Furthermore, he has adjusted, mostly in private talks, the departure time frame for troops, implying like NAFTA, he is 'talking for the camera'.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 53 - "I have always supported Universal Health Care."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's health care plan allows 15,000,000 to opt out of having it, forcing Americans to pay for their unpaid bills. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama's plan will have mandated coverage just like Senator Clintons! His plan is Universal.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama's mandate for health care coverage applies only to children. Once they are adults then can opt out of buying health care. Any emergency room visits or other health service costs they cannot afford will be passed onto the tax payers of America. His plan is no where near Universal.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 54 - "I don't have to show my patriotism to be patriotic. A pin on my lapel is not important."

EVIDENCE - Senator is often the only person on stage, at the playing of the National Anthem, that has his hands clasped in front of him and not over his heart. He usually (almost never) refuses to wear a flag pin, even when on Capitol Hill. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Big deal. He doesn't wear a flag pin and he doesn't hold his hand over his heart. So what?

REBUTTAL - Being the President Of The United States means representing us all, at home and around the world; our traditions, our values, our beliefs, and our dreams. If a President cannot set an example of what American values look like, sound like, and feel like, then he or she is doing a disservice to us all, by misrepresenting our Nation. The President shows deference and respect to the Nation and the People first - his own preferences taking a back seat to the office. For someone supposedly representing us all, our values and our beliefs, Senator Obama seems to feel his own core beliefs take precedence over what tradition or the public expects. This is further articulated in his fictionalized memoirs and in his associations. Two of his associations strike the most concern as they are quite opposite what the mainstream American would say reflects their values and beliefs. Case in point: the Nation Of Islam and Trinity Church. The Nation Of Islam and Trinity Church have a less then stellar appreciation for the flag of the United States. They blame Whites for Aids being so prevalent in the African American community and they believe that slavery is a debt that must be paid, no matter the chaos, no matter the dissolution of the present society at large. In fact both of these institutions are headed by Muslims or 'former' Muslims. They have said they would accept little else but the complete capitulation and reinvention of America, with Afro-Centric concerns trumping all others.. Senator Obama's spiritual leader has preached harsh, Afro-Centric revisionism for 2 decades, with the Senator in attendance throughout. Louis Farrakhan, an ultra-radical, and founder of the Nation Of Islam, who is a strong hater of Israel and America, is a neighbor of Senator Obama's and has met with the Senator numerous times, famously during the Million Man March. As for the Senator's experience with America and her allies, Senator Obama has curiously spent more time in foreign nations that our are ideological adversaries then our sisters in spirit. This is a strange way to show one's patriotism and love of country.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 55 - "My wife's pay raise was deserved. She is the Vice President of U of C hospital."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's wife's pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated salary as one of 13 VP's U of C Hospital has on staff. Her raise was less then 1 month after her husband won his senate seat. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - Michelle's pay at U of C Hospital is irrelevant.

REBUTTAL - Again, it goes to the honesty and integrity that the Senator and his wife speak about in public. Pay raises that double your salary, a couple of weeks after your husband is elected to an office that can greatly assist the hospital in securing funds, seems somewhat convenient to say the least. In addition this not-for-profit hospital made an amazing $100 Million during the past 3 years. Perhaps some of that profit came from the fact the hospital, despite 13 Vice Presidents including Mrs. Obama, never noticed that patients were being billed, through Medicare and Medicaid, at rates 580% higher then average, for common services. More alarming still is the fact that African American patients were charged on average, 6 times the rates that white patients were charged. Again, with 13 Vice Presidents whose salaries total many millions, how could these terrible imbalances go unnoticed?

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 56 - "My wife's words were taken out of context. She didn't mean she has never been proud of America."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama, your wife's comments were complete and fully in context. She has never been proud of America until now - those were her words. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Who cares what Senator Obama's wife said? She is not running for President.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama's wife's remarks follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrakhan, in relation to their hostility, contempt, and hatred of America. She may indeed not be running for office, but again it shows the Senator's character, in that he will perpetuate a dishonest accusation, such as her comments were taken out of context when they were NOT, in order to manipulate the public. Mrs. Obama meant every word she said, and those words were quoted in their entirety. One does not have to stretch the imagination as to where the genesis of such ideas took their first form.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 57 - "Senator Clinton was a corporate lawyer for Wal-Mart. I would not associate myself with Wal-Mart.

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars in compensation from Wal-Mart supplier Treehouse. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama's wife is not running for President.

REBUTTAL - True, Senator Obama's wife is not running for President, but it does show the Senator's willingness to misrepresent himself, his family, and their income sources in order to hide associations that prove unsavory or contradictory to public stances. Such willingness to misrepresent the facts shows one's lack of character and trustworthiness.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 58 - "My church is not particularly controversial."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's church claims AIDS was manufactured by the US Government to kill Black people. P.S. Did you know Jesus was a supporter of slavery? Neither did we. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama is running for President, not pastor of his church!

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama has attended Trinity Church for 20 years. He claims, during the 960 Sundays in the last 20 years, that surprisingly he never managed to be in attendance during one of Reverend Jeremiah Wright's more outrageous and insulting sermons. It seems that despite the Senator not being aware of what the topic of the sermon would be, he simply lucked out, having never been there for such controversial sermons. Or was he? In the Senator's own words, during his 'Race Speech' after the media ran Rev. Wright's sermons on the air, Senator Obama said: "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.". Reverend Wright not only claimed that AIDS was created by the White U.S. Government to kill Blacks (as if Whites didn't get it?) but also that the U.S. was to blame for the attack on 9/11. Reverend Wright and his church published in their Sunday Bulletin the Hamas Manifesto as typical non-controversial reading material for Sunday services. After naming Louis Farrakhan Person Of The Year, and after stating Jesus supported slavery by the White man against the Black man, one can deduce these comments and suggestion are not just controversial, but also Anti-American, Anti-Israeli, and Anti-White.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 59 - I disagree with my church all the time. Rev. Wright is like an Uncle to me and you can't choose family.

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama continues to donate large sums of money to Trinity Church. This helps spread the churches' message. PS - Jeremiah Wright is a Reverend - not a relative. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama, as an American, has freedom of religion and he can choose whatever church he likes!

REBUTTAL - And we have the freedom to choose someone other than Senator Obama for President because of the judgment he displays and the company he keeps. The Senator claims 'You can't choose family'; we respectfully remind the good Senator Rev. Wright is not his family, he is his pastor. And you can always choose a different pastor if you don't like what he has to say. Considering the Obama's have donated on average $500/week to Trinity, or about $22,000/year, we find that a strange way of showing one's disagreement or dissatisfaction with one's church. Incidentally, Rev. Wright has just retired to his $1.6 Million dollar mansion, in an almost exclusively White neighborhood. So much for practicing what you preach.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 60 - "I never heard sermons at Trinity like those being played on Youtube and by the mainstream media."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama said: "Did I ever hear him (Rev. Wright) make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes." SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama said he disagreed with what Reverend Wright said, what more do you want him to say?

REBUTTAL - Not only did Senator Obama agree with Rev. Wright, 14 months earlier about having to distance himself from the church, (and Rev. Wright himself), Senator Obama said he had never heard sermons that contained anything like what the mainstream media and Youtube were playing 'on every station'. 3 days later, in his own speech, he stated ""Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes." 'What more do we want him to say?' We think 'I Lied.' would be sufficient.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 61 - "People are out to get me because I am trying to change Washington. My passport files were looked into illegally."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's own Campaign Foreign Policy Adviser is the CEO of the company that looked into the passport records. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama's passport files WERE looked into illegally, and so were Senator Clinton's and Senator McCain's.

REBUTTAL - Not only is Senator Obama's Campaign Foreign Policy Adviser the CEO of the company that illegally looked into the Senator's passport file, the same company looked into Senator Obama's rivals - Senators Clinton and McCain - a year earlier. One must ask the question, for what reason would Senator Obama's Foreign Policy Adviser have to sneak a peak at his employer's passport files? He could simply have asked his boss any questions he may have had. Of course if one wanted to perhaps throw off the scent of snooping, once the Clinton and McCain breach became public knowledge, looking into everyone's record would be a way to do it. If everyone is the victim who can tell the crook? Nice try, Campaign Obama. Sometimes not the hunted, but The Hunter?

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 62 - "Rev. Meeks is not involved in my campaign."

EVIDENCE - Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for the Senator's Senate Campaign, and continues to raise money for him during his Presidential run. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama is running for office, not Reverend Meeks.

REBUTTAL - Reverend James Meeks is another of Senator Obama's 'Spiritual Counselors'. The Reverend is known, like Rev. Wright, for tearing up the pulpit, with anti-White and anti-Gay rhetoric. Rev. Meeks invited Senator Obama to campaign at his church, has appeared in commercials for him in Illinois, and will be one of Senator Obama's 2008 Delegates at the Denver Convention. One can reasonably conclude that James Meeks is involved in Senator Obama's campaign.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 63 - "I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage crisis."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's Finance Chair on his Presidential campaign is Penny Prizker, one of the architects of the Subprime Lending Scheme. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has vowed to fight foreclosures on Americans.

REBUTTAL - Putting one of the masterminds behind the subprime scheme on your campaign does not sound like a good choice if you are on the side of the people. Penny Pritzker is a member of one of the richest banking families in the United States. She, along with Ernst and Young, helped concoct the mortgage manipulation that has resulted in the real estate collapse in the U.S. Senator Obama's plan does not call for a moratorium on foreclosures nor does it call for interest rates to be frozen to assist homeowners in catching up with payments. Additionally, Senator Obama has a long list of Subprime donors to the tune of $1.18 Million Dollars: $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly not least, $351,900 from Goldman Sachs.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 64 - "I am running a clean campaign, high on hope and free of negative attacks."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama's campaign has launched over 206 media attacks on Senator Clinton alone. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3,

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has run a fair and positive campaign.

REBUTTAL - Senator Obama continues to launch negative attacks against his opponents while claiming he is merely defending himself. Attacktimeline.com has amassed, with dates and quotes, over 200 media attacks from Senator Obama's campaign, many of which are first-strike, pre-emptive negative messages and policy distortions. He continues using phone and mailing campaigns that are both negative and factually inaccurate. We guess Hope doesn't spring eternal.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 65 - "I was being honest when I used the term 'typical white people', not racist."

EVIDENCE - If one cannot say 'typical black people' without being labeled racist, then the reverse is likewise racist. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama's words were taken out of context.

REBUTTAL - There is no context in which that statement can be made, truncated or complete, that is not offensive. Senator Obama and his family have spent 20 years in a church that has preached the miseries brought on the black community by 'typical white people'. Michelle Obama's statements about never being proud of America until now, and that American is ignorant, fits part and parcel into the ideology, tone, and direction of Louis Farrakhan, Reverend Wright, and Reverend James Meeks. To claim that they have never heard such statements made in their church raises the question of how and why have they formed such similar opinions in regards to Wright, Meeks, and the Nation of Islam. Having never being proud, calling your country ignorant, and labeling people typical, based on their color doesn't see new, hopeful, or different. If one were to infer any such thing to any race one would be labeled a racist, so in keeping with that established precedent, the term 'typical white people' is racist.

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 66 - "My campaign donations are from millions of average people {bitter, typical white people too?}. We are winning in a new way, without corporate influence, or special interests."

EVIDENCE - The implication is that special interests, corporations, banks, and industry donations are not accepted. Nothing could be further from the truth. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2, SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4, SOURCE 5

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama has millions of donors who have given less than $100.

REBUTTAL - True, Senator Obama does have many donors that have given less then $100. Senator Obama also allows the false impression that he does not take PAC or lobbyist money, money from Big Oil, Big Banking, Big Industry, or Corporate America. Here is a very small rundown of just how much money these special interest, corporate giants have been donating to Senator Obama's 'Grass Roots' campaign: Top Contributors: 1 Kirkland & Ellis $143,138, 2 University of Chicago $139,554, 3 Sidley Austin LLP $100,932,4 Henry Crown & Co $79,500, 5 Sonnenschein, Nath & Rosenthal $74,950, 6 Exelon Corp $71,850, 7 Northwestern University $70,430, 8 Mayer, Brown et al $69,960, 9 Jenner & Block $62,710, 10 Soros Fund Management $61,605, 11 Goldman Sachs $61,500, 12 Clifford Law Offices $59,550, 13 Simmons Cooper LLC $58,500, 14 Tejas Securities $57,250, 15 JP Morgan Chase & Co $56,600, 16 Ariel Capital Management $55,650, 17 Skadden, Arps et al $54,071, 18 Winston & Strawn $52,450, 19 Piper Rudnick LLP $45,600, 20 Holland Capital Management $43,350. The top industries supporting Barack Obama are: 1 Lawyers/Law Firms $2,464,360, 2 Securities & Investment $1,117,132, 3 Retired $857,601, 4 Real Estate $620,760, 5 Education $542,966, 6 Business Services $509,266, 7 Misc Finance $415,498, 8 Health Professionals $363,713, 9 TV/Movies/Music $299,233, 10 Commercial Banks $282,553, 11 Printing & Publishing $186,293, 12 Insurance $183,132, 13 Non-Profit Institutions $175,720, 14 Misc Business $150,991, 15 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $146,175, 16 Civil Servants/Public Officials $144,069, 17 Lobbyists $127,800, 18 Computers/Internet $125,333, 19 Construction Services $119,910, 20 Electric Utilities $102,700

VERDICT - SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR

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CHARGE 67 - "I am NOT the most liberal Senator in the U.S. Senate."

EVIDENCE - Senator Obama ranked as the number one Liberal in the Senate based on his consistent voting record. SOURCE 1, SOURCE 2. SOURCE 3, SOURCE 4

COUNTER CLAIM - Senator Obama is just fighting for the people, what's wrong with that?

REBUTTAL - There is obviously nothing wrong with fighting for the people, but making false statements for political expediency is not fighting for the people, it's fighting for your own skin. Senator Obama has a clear record of extremely liberal views and voting as such to maintain or promote said views. From his stance on post-birth abortion, to guns, gays, meeting, without precondition, sworn enemies of the Un

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

So Hillary voted for the war. So did Edwards, Biden, etc....
If Obama didn't it was because A-he thinks we deserved 9/11 like rev. wright. and B. he wasn't in the senate.
so Get Over it!
HILLARY IS GOING TO WIN IN INDIANA AND NORTH CAROLINA-just as i predicted she would win Pennsylvania.
Take that pie in the face.

Posted by: SBvoter | May 4, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Ask Obama WHY he Voted FOR The Cheney Energy Bill (H.R. 6) passed in 2005)
Ask Clinton WHY she Voted AGAINST The Cheney Energy Bill.
Ask Obama if he is aware of the fact that nuclear waste disposal has been a 50 year
continuing NIGHTMARE; as exemplified by Rocky Flats and Hanford, Washington?
Ask Obama if its true that his legislative experience in the Illinois Legislature consists
of: 26 Bills, all passed in ONE year, AND if ANY of those 26 bills was Originated by, or, written by him.
HERE"S THE REAL ANSWERS:
WHY is MSNBC/NBC SO PRO-Obama, So Anti-Clinton?
ANSWER: Because Obama is PRO-Nuclear & he voted FOR the Cheney energy Bill; Clinton is NOT Pro-Nuke & Voted AGAINST the Cheney Energy Bill.
GE owns MSNBC/NBC ... & Thanks to the Cheney Energy Bill is planning to reap BILLIONS in proftis (Risk-Free) from building 29 new nukes AND from 30-40 years of Higher Electricity Rates.
Other participants in Cheney's NExt Big MONOPOLY POWER
---ENERGY RIPoff---
Excelon Corp. of ILLINOIS, Westinghouse (Owner of CBS), Entergy (owners of many utilities in the Southern States); 3 consortiums of nuke industry corporations.
McCain voted for the Cheney Energy Bill & has already said on the campaign trail: I have to remember to say ... its absoultely necessary for ...us... to build nuclear power plants.
GE, et al ... Are running Obama AND McCain for President.
If you think nukes are ok... just GOOGLE: Rocky Flats Denver plutonium, and, Hanford WA nuclear waste.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Obama claims 7 years experience in the Illinois legislature - Working Across the Aisles, Bringing people together to get good CHANGES passed -as exemplified by 26 good bills with his name on them.
A Chicago reporter says all 26 bills were passed in ONE Year, and they were NOT Obama's.
http://wweek.com/editorial/3418/10516/
EXCERPTS:
But what's interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single year.
Republicans controlled the Illinois General Assembly for six years of Obama's seven-year tenure.
Then Emil Jones Jr. (became the Senate Majority leader), He became Obama's kingmaker.
Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.
During his seventh year in the state Senate, Obama ... sponsored a whopping 26 bills including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced.
Working Across the Aisles/
Making CHANGES = ZILCH
Taking Credit for Other People's Work/
INTEGRITY = ZERO
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Still have any doubt this election is about GE Cheney ... "the establishment" ... running Obama AND McCain for President in order to assure themselves of Pulling Off Cheney's NEXt Big Energy RIPOFF?
You think Obama's 20 year "friendship" with the Rev. Wright makes people suspicious of his ... spiritual ... beliefs?
Just Wait until his 20 year "friendship" with Rezko ... shows up on your TV screen - AFTER he gets the nomination, or, AFTER he's OUT of the race:
GOOGLE Info about: The 3 friends who attended engineering school in Illinois: Rezko Alsammarae Auichi:
Auichi (still a billionaire) convicted in a French court of MASSIVE fraud/looting involving
ELF a French petroleum company and the UN Oil for Food program.
Rezko business partner.
Alsammarae - convicted in an Iraq court (under its current govt) of LOOTING the Iraq ELECTRICITY Grid [while he was Minister of Electricity ... He was Appointed Electricity Minister by the Bush/Cheney ... Coalition Provisional Authority]. Rezko was...allegedly...his partner in LOOTING the electricity grid, and partners in planning to build a power plant in Iraq.
Last week's NEWS from the Rezko trial ... you didn't see on TV:
Federal prosecution witness testified that Obama and his wife DID attend a party at Rezko's home thrown in honor of Auichi.
Obama has previously said: He doesn't remember meeting Auichi.
The MEDIA is NOT asking him this question: Did you and your wife attend that Party?
Another prosecution witness testified that REZKO told him not to worry about the upcoming trial because the White House was going to fire the prosecutior (Patrick Fitzgerald) - to kill the criminal prosecution of Rezko.
Common Denominator : Natonal AND International ENERGY RIPoffs , Power Plants, Massive LOOTING - involving Bush/Cheney admin/ Rezko/ GE - That's a WHOLE LOT of REALLY BIG DIRT all the CORRUPT Politicans and their CORRUPT Media are desperately trying to keep covered up. Obama is part and parcel of it.

Posted by: elme | May 4, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"Well, looky here... Hillary Clinton, John Mellencamp, and Mickey Kantor gave a concert for the "sh*t-people." I'm sure those "white n*ggers" really appreciated it.
Yeah, that's good. Just wait until Mickey Kantor and Hillary Clinton get into the smoky back room, and start making fun of Hoosiers and calling them names. Clintonites are two-faced liars.
Posted by: Dissent | May 4, 2008 1:09 PM"
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When I read the many, many posts like the one above from an Obama 'supporter' I become stronger in my resolve to vote for Hillary Clinton or no one. When people talk about party divisiveness, they need to look no further than the bad behavior of Obama supporters.

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Posted by: anton | May 4, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I think I will vote for Clinton because Obama supporters tend to be mean spirited and take a lot of cheap shots. They doctor video clips, harass people at causcuses and write a lot of horrible, nasty comments on the blogs. Why not have some well informed arguments? Anyway, it is enough to completely turn me off of their candidate.

Posted by: jaylo | May 4, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I like Obama, that's who I would be voting for if he's the nominee. Obama is smarter and he would make some changes. I like that Obama doesn't take money from lobbies.

Posted by: Alex B | May 4, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

GO OBAMA !

Posted by: Chicago | May 4, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Associates and misstatements are distractions. Besides, Hillary has more than her share.

Focus in on the "gas tax holiday" scam.

Hillary copies McCain. Then, she adds an idea that guarantees a veto. Presto! She has free pander to voters.

This idea will not get to the Senate floor in time for summer. Bush would not sign it anyway. So, she sounds like she's helping voters but is only offering a non-existent $30 bribe.

This is garbage politics at its worst.

She should fry in political hell for this sort of thing. It's NOT guilt by association. It's NOT a gaffe or misstatement or misspeech. It's a coldly calculated lie designed to garner votes by pandering to the least informed voters and assuming that they don't have the wits to see through it.

Talk about elitist!

Go away, Hillary. I'm sick of your lies.

Tell it like it is, Obama.

Posted by: Harry, Los Angeles, CA | May 4, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Although many sen. Obama's supporters would label this as 'detractions', Obama has make two serious booboo's within the past month and half, which may contributing to his downfall in PA and elsewhere. The first being his remark on the bitterness of small town America, the other being his embracement of Rev. Wright in his Philadelphia speech on race, which he decided to reverse it only five weeks later. His answer to Tim Russert's question today on why he reversed his attitute to rev. Wright was that Wright was trying to 'amplify' his view. It appears to me that Obama is less consistant than rev. Wright, who has good reason to make his points known under national spot light, besides to write some better-selling books, as Obama did last year.

Posted by: austin b | May 4, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

how much more money do the Arabs need for the Arab defense plan they are so poor with oil so cheap

Posted by: Anonymous | May 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, looky here... Hillary Clinton, John Mellencamp, and Mickey Kantor gave a concert for the "sh*t-people." I'm sure those "white n*ggers" really appreciated it.

Yeah, that's good. Just wait until Mickey Kantor and Hillary Clinton get into the smoky back room, and start making fun of Hoosiers and calling them names. Clintonites are two-faced liars.

Posted by: Dissent | May 4, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

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