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McCain Asserts Return to Pre-Surge Iraq Troop Levels

By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain has attacked Sen. Barack Obama for not traveling to Iraq to see the "facts on the ground." But a recent statement by McCain about troop levels has his opponents raising questions about his own knowledge.

In comments to reporters on Thursday, McCain asserted that "I can tell you that it is succeeding. I can look you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr City are quiet and it's long and it's hard and it's tough and there will be setbacks."

In fact, as the Obama campaign was quick to point out, the troop level in Iraq is at about 155,000 right now, well above the 130,000 that would mark a return to pre-surge levels. The goal, according to a transcript of a news briefing with Joint Staff director for operations Lt. Gen. Carter Ham at the end of February, is to reduce troop levels to 140,000 -- still above the pre-surge levels.

A representative exchange:

Q: General, coming back to Iraq and the troop numbers, so what you're saying is by the time we get to the end of July, we're going to be at 140,000, which looks to me like we're still talking about significantly higher than pre-surge levels in Iraq. Am I reading that correctly?

GEN. HAM: Yes.


Three of the five brigades that were added during the surge have been rotated out. The other brigades are in process of rotating out, and even when they depart, support personnel that were added during the surge will remain for the time being, military officials have said.

McCain's comments about Mosul being "quiet" also have raised some eyebrows. On the day that he said that, three suicide bombings in Mosul and the surrounding areas had left 30 Iraqis dead.

Obama's campaign seized on the slip-ups, holding a news conference with Sen. John Kerry to blast McCain on the troop-level mistake.

The McCain campaign reacted quickly, and angrily.

"What informed people understand, John McCain included, is that American troops are not even close to Surge levels," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds in a statement. "Three of the five Army 'Surge' brigades have been withdrawn and additional Marines that were initially deployed for the 'Surge' have come home as well -- the remaining two brigades will be home in July. Talk about a political stunt, it's sending out campaign surrogates to parse words about a topic Barack Obama has no experience with, and has shown zero interest in learning about."

The spat had the feel of a classic back-and-forth as Democratic spokesman Damien LaVera quickly issued a statement saying: "Either John McCain doesn't know the facts on the ground in Iraq or he is continuing the Bush Administration's pattern of intentionally misleading the public. Either way, he is the wrong choice for America's future."

And McCain's team has scheduled a conference call for reporters this afternoon.

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"Senator McCain has never worked outside of tax supported political jobs."
-Vozuki

During the vice-presidential debate between Senator Joseph Lieberman and Oilman Dick Cheney, then CEO of Haliburton, the latter declared that his success in the business world was entirely the result of personal merit and private initiative and that the government had nothing to do with it. Lieberman let it pass. The truth, however, was diametrically opposed to Mr. Cheney's disdainful assertion: everything on his resume was paid for the US taxpayer. When Haliburton hired him, he was an ex-congressman, ex-White House operative (Ford) and cabinet member. Mr. Cheney, clearly, was hired for his political connections, amassed at tax-payer expense.

The man's chutzpah is matched only by his documented malevolence.

McCain differs from Cheney only in his utter cluelessness.

Posted by: R M Gopal | June 1, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

How about Obama's gaffes? He has a ton of them.

-Last May, he claimed that Kansas tornadoes killed a whopping 10,000 people: "In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." The actual death toll: 12.

-Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: "Over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in 57 states? I think one left to go."

-Last week, in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, South Dakota audience, Obama exulted: "Thank you Sioux City...I said it wrong. I've been in Iowa for too long. I'm sorry."

-Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: "Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it's not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle." On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?

-Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Alabama, he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement:
"There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born." Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was "speaking metaphorically about the civil rights movement as a whole."

-Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by honing in on a lack of translators: "We only have a certain number of them and if they are all in Iraq, then it's harder for us to use them in Afghanistan." The real reason it's "harder for us to use them" in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.

-Over the weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multi-billion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear waste clean-up.: "Here's something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I'm not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don't know exactly what's going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you I'll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport." The fact is he voted on at least one defense authorization bill that addressed the "costs, schedules, and technical issues" dealing with the nation's most contaminated nuclear waste site.

-Last March, the Chicago Tribune reported this little-noticed nugget about a fake autobiographical detail in Obama's "Dreams from My Father:" "Then, there's the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs don't exist, say the magazine's own historians."

- And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesn't "pose a serious threat to us"-cluelessly arguing that "tiny countries" with small defense budgets can't do us harm- and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, "I've made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave."

Posted by: Cullen | May 31, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Back up for a second. Take a common sense look at McCain.
This is an old man from a multi generational military war command family. He gets his facts muddled. He loves to say we're winning. He loves command. He loves war. He has no goal for leaving Iraq.
Leaving Iraq is the goal Mr. McCain. Reducing the sounds of battle and reducing the adrenalin rush to old warriors is America's goal.
You can ignore or muddle the facts in your drum and fife vision Commander McCain but winning in Iraq is to leave.
Leaving is only surrender if fighting is your blood call intruding on common sense intelligence.
Thanks for your years of service; your ability to lead clearly has passed.

Posted by: Craig Johnson/ cognitorex | May 31, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

We don't need another president whose erroneous zone is as large as he is. A vote for McCain is a vote for more chaos as his "chaperones" vy for power among themselves. Which one will wind up playing Svengali to his Trilby? You won't find the name on any ballot.

Posted by: fzdybel | May 31, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

This should be no surprise coming from the foreign policy "genius" who said that his solution to Iraq would be to "sit the Sunni and Shia down and tell them to cut the bullsh*t." Hopelessly naive, simplistic... and just plain wrong.

Posted by: jolene | May 31, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

It's just possible that the Republicans did not make a mistake in 2000 when they chose Bush over McCain. The mistake came later in the Supreme Court.

Posted by: manleymax | May 31, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

It's just possible that the Republicans did not make a mistake in 2000 when they chose Bush over McCain. The mistake came later in the Supreme Court.

Posted by: manleymax | May 31, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

John McCain retired as a Navy Captain (O6) with no distinguishing military record. What unit or units did McCain command? What were the distinguishing accomplishments of that or those units?

What is the truth about his immediate transfer off the USS Forrestal with the wounded when he wasn't? Why wasn't he available on board for the investigation?

How could anyone finish 5th from the bottom of his class and get into flight school? How could anyone crash a jet in flight school and still graduate with his class?

What makes John McCain a leader? There is nothing in his record that indicates he has ever demonstrated leadership qualities. But he has demonstrated his eagerness to accept rewards he did not deserve.

Posted by: infuse | May 31, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Is there a way to simply shut down the federal government for 10 years, and circulate an amendment which reads, "The 10th Amendment must be obeyed or you will be locked in the Trinity church for life. If you're black, you'll be forced to watch the Country Music Awards for life." The three fairies competing for the executive branch Santa Claus job have never read Article II. The only promise I want to hear from them is that sometime before they see their first stained blue dress they will have read the Constitution. OK, for Hillarious, that would be blue dress number 2.

Posted by: Harry Quite Contrary | May 31, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

This exchange sort of reminds me when Senators recently asked OIL INDUSTRY Tycoons claimed they could not recall how much compensation they received -- in spite of record profits.

Maybe other GOP cultists have trouble with remembering big numbers?

Posted by: Richard Morris | May 31, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

When Obama makes a mistake it relates to something that happened 60 years ago, it's Buchenwald rather than Auschwitz, and it's his great-uncle rather than his uncle.

When McSame makes a mistake it's present day, it's not knowing Sunni from Shia, and it's US troop levels.

McSame's "senior moments are far more dangerous!

Posted by: Chris | May 31, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

What I fear of this, isn't that McCain is experiencing advancing dementia, but what will happen to all those promises that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama are making, when either of them are elected.

What will happen, how will the course be changed if it's discovered that the mess is worse then we were told by Bush's secrecy?

Posted by: John G. | May 31, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't it John Kerry who ran on the promise to increase the active duty by 40,000 troops; who promised prosecute this war by giving the commanders on the ground the resources they needed and rightly accused the Bush/Cheney administration of prosecuting this war on 'the cheap'; who rightly ridiculed this administration for asking Americans to go shopping rather than calling for a shared sacrifice (a sacrifice that Obama never made by serving because he was to busy on a drug induced identity quest); and the same former service member whom John McCain came to his defense when the same scum who had accused McCain four years earlier in SC of 'abandoning the troops' - the very tactics that Obama and Kerry are now participating in.

Obama shares the same kind of stubborn, arrogant, close minded philosophy as Bush. Bush didn't listen to Gen. Shinseki or Gen. Newbold - and insisted on seeing Iraq through his rose colored classes despite those of us who returned from Iraq and spoke honestly of the fiasco that this papers pentagon correspondent so sharply documented - now Obama refuses to listen to Gen. Petraeus and Gen. Odierno or engage in an honest debate about the successes our troops have begun to realize after nearly four years of incompetent leadership under Rumsfeld.

Thank God that McCain was successful in champion a change in strategy before the conditions in Iraq had deteriorated to total chaos.

Senator Kerry should be ashamed that he is putting politics ahead of sound military and national security interest.

Posted by: clawrence | May 31, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Duh, me no how meny solders.
Yoo no no... how many.
Me go by in shop .. Bagdady. ha I say dady.
Duh, black man mean too me.
Duh, jorge... help me nouw. Duh NO! jorge! NO prezels yor mom sed!
Dont put them in YOR PANTS!

Oh ooo. I pooped.

Posted by: KAckermann | May 31, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

McCain also said that Sadr City was "quiet." Here's what the 31 May Washington Post has to say:

"In Sadr City, thousands of people take to the streets to protest talks between Washington and Baghdad to keep U.S. forces in Iraq beyond 2008."

In case you haven't noticed, McCain is rarely correct about anything. Why do you keep covering for him?

Posted by: CatelynK | May 31, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Lotta sickos posting from the Obama camp. You won't win votes talking that trash.

Posted by: JFN | May 31, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

WHAT CHANGE? . . . . Barack Obama says he's for change, but he's never laid out a real plan.

However, if you look at the way he does business, there is no change at all.
1) Stonewalling Florida and Michigan, much like George Bush did Florida in 2000.
2) Ultra-quick to accuse his chief opponents of playing race-cards, even though his reasoning has been so convoluted as to leave anyone dizzy who tries to believe it or defend it for that matter. . . . . Is this how the White House is going to CHANGE in the next four years? Instead of accusing opponents of being "unpatriotic," Obama will accusing them of playing "race-cards."
3) No one has received more campaign money from the Health Industry than Obama, and look at his second-rate health care plan. . . . . . Just what the Industry ordered. . . . No change there.

I see nothing of any change for the better in the way Obama runs for the nomination. . . . . . In fact, the insulting way in which he lies about his opponents playing race-cards is damaging race relations in America. . . . . . . And now more ragings against whites by another of Obama's friends from Rev. Wright's pulpit.

I will never vote for someone who worked as hard as McCain did to urge Americans to put George Bush back in office in 2004. . . . But, I'm having a hard time thinking about supporting that racist Obama.

Bill Clinton's "fairytale" statement or Hillary's "RFK" statement was not a race-card. . . . . . . . You want to see a real race-card? . . Look at the ad for the Tennessee Senator election in 2006 -- now that's a race-card.

Heck Obama was shouting "Race-card" so loud and often, I thought he was selling programs for NASCAR.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | May 30, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

A young black man survives a troubled youth, does well in school, goes to Harvard, graduates first in his law school class, spurns multiple offers from the most powerful law firms in the country to virtually write his own ticket, plunges into community organizing on the streets of Chicago, picks up plenty of street smarts -- the very real kind of real-world experience practically every one of our privileged crop of political leaders sadly lack -- and pays his dues, again, as a lowly state senator in the Illinois legislature.

This is how this young black man is seen by one of his countrymen -

"just promise"
"has not spent their life serving the country."
"only promises"
"No experience"
"No dedication"
"without knowing anything"
"unskilled person"
"without any evidence that he will dedicate to serve..."
"America will lose 4 years going nowhere"
"without proven dedication"
"not qualified"
"without skills"

Posted by: Nam | May 30, 2008 8:22 PM

Such cynicism -- bordering on hatred. Such blindness toward elementary facts. Such fear and loathing. I suppose self-deception is a necessary first step for anyone setting out to deceive the world.

Posted by: Nam | May 30, 2008 8:22 PM

Posted by: R M Gopal | May 30, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

No fool like an OLD fool, with a 100 million dollar barbie whose father was a hit man for Kemper Marley & the Arizona Mafia, she stealing drugs for her addiction from her own charity, LOL. Oh yeah.

Can I get my own Bud distributorship for offing a few of the GangOfPerverts?

Posted by: 2by2 | May 30, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I question the applicability of McCains "experience". He did survive one disaster, when a careless aviation bosun's mate didn't check the setting on his meter and launched a Zuni missile into other parked aircraft, nearly sinking the U.S.S. Forrestal, CV 59. He also survived the Hanoi Hilton. Neither gave him any insights into modern military operations that even modestly exceed the military insights gained by his doppleganger, George W Bush while HE was dodging the draft in Texas. They certainly didn't teach him to count, as in 140,000 is still significantly higher than 130,000, and we can't properly keep 130,000 men in Iraq with no more than 527,000 in the whole Army. His experience hasn't apparently taught him anything about the problems of "Teeth VS Tail", and how our current lack of tail is rotting our teeth in Iraq and Afghanistan. They certainly didn't teach him that Armies Cost Money, and big enough armies cost lots of money.

John seems to have suffered a longstanding case of Carrier pilot indifference to the real world, where all that matters to the flying officers is their next catapult launch or their next arrested landing. Rumsfield suffered the same near sightedness and tunnel vision, and both seem to think that their limited experience made them an amalgam of Grant, Clausewitz,Patton, and Marshall. Mostly they are a chimera of McClellan, (for his cluelessness), Custer, (for his lack of forethought and his willingness to get into fights he ought to have stayed out of) and MacArthur, (for his overall all pigheadedness.)

But could he please at least learn the difference between al Quaeda (Afghanistan) and al Quaeda in Iraq, (a small band of thugs with no appreciation for the concept of Branding)?

For that matter, after Washington, and maybe Jackson, Essentially the Higher the Rank, the poorer the President. Lincoln was a militia Lieutenant, T Roosevelt was a Colonel of Volunteers, and Gore, who would have beaten any Republican in the last hundred years, was a Spec 4. Crediting Georgie with military service is just stretching the concept too far.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | May 30, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Everyone that I talk to, regardless of political leaning, want things to change. Which candidate will change things from the direction Bush has taken us? If it were that simple, Obama would win with a 70% margin. The other element is, are we as a nation courageous enough to vote for our hope of better days in America? The Democrats are betting that we will. The Republicans are betting that they can frighten us in to staying their course. That is what this article/debate/election is about. Hope or fear.

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | May 30, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain has never worked outside of tax supported political jobs. That is the real experience he has (which is subsidized by a wealthy wife who does not seem to care if ever knew a hard days work.) President Bush abandoned his military obligations by disappearing. Maybe that is why he got the USA into a such a mess over oil interests by starting the Iraq war! Let's face it, someone who vetos child immunizations in Texas and is overridden by the legislative arm, then does the same stunt in the White House does not have America's real future at heart, our children. No wonder he purchased a huge ranch in South America. He wants to escape legitimate criticism of the mess he has created.

Posted by: Vozuki | May 30, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Freedom is not Free. It will take us 40 years to pay off this foolish war.

Posted by: Bill Kane | May 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain is more of the same lies that America has heard form Bush for the last 7 years. How does Sen. McCain plan to play for staying in Iraq? He doesn't he plans to pass the cost to the unborn. McCain has no idea what he is talking about he is unfit mentally to be president. He needs Joe Leiberman standing behind him to correct him because he is a fool.

Posted by: Scott | May 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Post clowns. What the hell does Barry know about Iraq. He hasn't been there in over 2 years. He's too busy trying to weasel out of his Trinity house of horrors debacle. Twenty plus years association with these clowns and Barry wants to be president. Hillary, take it to the convention floor!

Posted by: ziggy1 | May 30, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

US Deaths By Month:
Year 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Jan ---00 ---47 --107 --62 ---83 ---40
Feb ---00 ---20 ---58 --55 ---81 ---29
Mar ---65 ---52 ---35 --31 ---81 ---39
Apr ---74 --135 ---52 --76 --104 ---52
May -- 37 ---80 ---80 --69 --126 ---18
Jun----30 ---42 ---78 --61 --101
Jul ----48 ---54 ---54 --43 ---78
Aug ---35 ---66 ---85 --65 ---84
Sep ---31 ---80 ---49 --72 ---65
Oct ---44 ---64 ---96 -106 ---38
Nov ---82 --137 ---84 --70 ---37
Dec ---40 ---72 ---68 -112 ---23
Total-486 --849 --846 -822 --901

U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD:
Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation:


http://icasualties.org/oif/

Posted by: Buzzm1 | May 30, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

mccain's position is to pursue more of bush failed iraq war policy...weak man...not intelligent...not the right man for our country

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

"I would rather have a vet in the house than either dems who have no combat exper. at all. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!! The Iraqis in some parts of the country have running water and homes because of our involvement."

____________________________________

1. George "AWOL" Bush did not have combat experience. Ronald Reagan had no combat experience. I'll bet you voted for both of them.

2. What housing and running water has BushCo provided for the four million Iraqis who have been displaced or forced to flee the country? How many Iraqis has Bush allowed to come to America? (6,000) How does that compare with the number of Iraqi refugees accepted by, say, Sweden? (40,000) As for water (and electricity):

"BAGHDAD -- Iraq's most prominent clerics have ruled that using a water pump on one's own pipes is akin to stealing resources from a neighbor, so what does a person do when it takes half an hour to fill a cooking pot with water from the tap?

"Iraqis pray for forgiveness, then pump away.

"To them, the real crime is that five years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, they still swelter in the summer and freeze in the winter because of a lack of electricity. Government rations are inevitably late, incomplete or expired. Garbage piles up for days, sometimes weeks, emanating toxic fumes.

"The list goes on: black-market fuel, phone bills for land lines that haven't worked in years, education and health-care systems degraded by the flight of thousands of Iraq's best teachers and doctors.

~ http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/30316.html

Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 10.9 in May 2007

Average Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 5.6 in May 2007

Iraqis without access to adequate water supplies - 70%

http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelandsecurit1/a/IraqNumbers.htm

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Posted by: vzsr5i54pz | May 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

An Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back Decades

WE DO NOT ACCEPT OBAMAS POLITICAL DAMAGE APOLOGY!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

WHITE AMERICA SAY NO TO RACIST OBAMA, It's been proved with Rev Wright and confirmed with Pfleger he is racist! Once again he is connected with another so-called "preacher" at the so-called "church" TCC, which has proved to be a place to worship and spew hate against white Americans. WATCH THE VIDEO!!! Watch the blacks jumping up and down as the idiot Pfleger attacks white and the Former TWO TERM First Lady and WHITE WOMAN verbally. Once again in a so-called House of God. I think not. TCC is a racist radical group. Obama is not FIT to even be representing our country!!!!

SENATOR CLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE FURIOUS AND ALL WHITE VOTERS HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE BIASED MEDIA EXCUSING RACIST ATTACKS AGAINST US. I URGE ALL TO BOYCOTT CNN AND MSNBC FOR MANIPULATING THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR TIME!!!!

Just this Sunday Father Michael Pfleger (a longtime friend and associate of Senator Obama) mocked Hillary Clinton & AGAIN ATTACKED WHTE PEOPLE at Obama's church OF 20 PLUS YEARS.

"I really believe that she just always thought, 'This is mine! I'm Bill's wife, I'm white, and this is mine! I just gotta get up and step into the plate.' And then out of nowhere came, 'Hey, I'm Barack Obama,' and she said, 'Oh, damn! Where did you come from? I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show! She wasn't the only one crying, there was a whole lot of white people crying!"


http://www.dontvoteobama.net

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

It seems that Sen. McCain himself has answered my question: he insisted today that he didn't misspeak.

"Of course not. I said we've drawn down," the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee said at a news conference. "The rest of them will be home at the end of July."

So, this is an honest mistake, trivial really. He just doesn't know the difference between Present Perfect and Future Perfect.

Yeesh.

Posted by: Scott in NC | May 30, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

The past eight years has put this counrty in a difficult position where it can no longer afford fuzzy thinking and poor decision making in the next administration. At any other time a grandfatherly McCain would be good choice in office but challenging times lie ahead and this country needs clear precise judgement. Regrettably, neither clear judgement nor facts are McCain's forte.

Posted by: Oscar | May 30, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, a majority of the voting public does not look beyond McCain's war hero status and automatically equate that with expertise in the Iraq War and the national security sphere.
It is true that he showed incredible bravery and intestinal fortitude during his captive years. It is something that is indeed totally admirable and should be honored highly. But, a national security expert that does not make.
He is a "gut" player, to borrow a phrase. His knowledge of national issues and his approach to it are equally Bushian!
No, we do not need a former military man to be our next President. We need someone really smart and an think outside of the box to lead this country out of its Mideast mess and back to its pre-Bush standing in the world!

Posted by: kkwm | May 30, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

The US needs to get out of Iraq and return the country to its people. Maybe Israel will step up to the plate for once and send their own troops to Iraq to replace American forces.

Posted by: Maddogg | May 30, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain has never worked outside of tax supported political jobs. That is the real experience he has (which is subsidized by a wealthy wife who does not seem to care if ever knew a hard days work.) President Bush abandoned his military obligations by disappearing. Maybe that is why he got the USA into a such a mess over oil interests by starting the Iraq war! Let's face it, someone who vetos child immunizations in Texas and is overridden by the legislative arm, then does the same stunt in the White House does not have America's real future at heart, our children. No wonder he purchased a huge ranch in South America. He wants to escape legitimate criticism of the mess he has created.

Posted by: Vozuki | May 30, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

R Adams, if you'd rather have a vet in office, then you can forget about the two morons we have in office now. We have a Commander in Chief with questionable military service, and unarguably the greatest coward in the vice president Cheney who was too scared to even serve! Must be nice to get 5 deferrments in order not to serve your country because "of other priorities", as Cheney has said numerous times. Tell that to the thousands of families who lost brave men and women who died in Vietnam.
Think of what Cheney said when a reporter asked him about how the public was against this ill-begotten war, and all he can say was "So?". How callous and cold-hearted.
If McCain is elected all we're getting is the same ol Bush for 4 more years. Scary.

Posted by: CVC | May 30, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The point is that McBush seems to be having memory lapses similar to Reagan in his second term. Don't you want your Commander-in-Chief to know what the hell is going on? Part of that is to know what the troop levels are.

These so called "gaffes" are too frequent to have no meaning. This man may be physically hiking the Grand Canyon, and may have a mother who's in her 90's, but mentally, he is NOT prepared to be president of the United States. Get real.

Posted by: sedonakaren | May 30, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"My friends, I do not need to know facts and figures -- or even what's going on. Why? Because I have assembled the most wonderful group of patriots on my foreign policy and domestic security campaign staff. Some of the names will be familiar to you: Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan, Randy Scheunemann, Gary Schmitt, Robert Zoellick, Eliot Cohen. These are the same fine people who inspired President Bush to undertake our venture against terrorism in Iraq. They are the same far-sighted who came together as founders and members of Project for a New American Century. A new American century? Doesn't that sound great? Isn't that what every true-blue American wants? Speaking of true-blue Americans, Henry Kissinger is also on my foreign policy campaign staff. Henry Kissinger! You should be impressed, because I know I am. With people like these, and a continuation of the successful Iraqi policy that I have long recommended and is now in place, there's really no need to me to bother myself too much with details. My job is to make sure that the traitors and Benedict Arnolds and socialist sympathizers who oppose our policies don't get in my campaign staff's way as we establish the military bases in Iraq that will ensure we can whatever we want, whenever we want, as only the world's greatest military superpower can. God bless America. And Israel." ~ John McBush

Posted by: pali2500 | May 30, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

R Adams, if you'd rather have a vet in office, then you can forget about the two morons we have in office now. We have a Commander in Chief with questionable military service, and unarguably the greatest coward in the vice president Cheney who was too scared to even serve! Must be nice to get 5 deferrments in order not to serve your country because "of other priorities", as Cheney has said numerous times. Tell that to the thousands of families who lost brave men and women who died in Vietnam.
Think of what Cheney said when a reporter asked him about how the public was against this ill-begotten war, and all he can say was "So?". How callous and cold-hearted.
If McCain is elected all we're getting is the same ol Bush for 4 more years. Scary.

Posted by: CVC | May 30, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

IMHO, a senile McCain is more dangerous than a supposed greenhorn Obama.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I was at Camp Shield in Iraq approximately one year ago when Senator McCain came for an inspection. This was on that same visit when he proclaimed that Baghdad was safe and that he had walked down neighborhood streets without heavy armed guard. To set the record straight, even in Camp Shield itself, security was so tight that not even the camp commander was allowed to get anywhere close to Senator McCain. It was on that same day that General Petraeus' own liaison was nearly killed in a suicide bombing of his convoy as it left Camp Shield. the SUV in front of the liaison's SUV was destroyed, along with the death of one of its occupants, a Navy colonel. Senator McCain did his sightseeing and moved from Point A to B via a heavily armed Chinook or Blackhawk helicopter.
When claims that Baghdad is safe, and progress is being made are asserted, one must consider the source, as well as the politics, behind such assertions.

Posted by: john e | May 30, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I would rather have a vet in the house than either dems who have no combat exper. at all. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!! The Iraqis in some parts of the country have running water and homes because of our involvement.

Posted by: r adams
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Apparently all parts of Iraq has running water prior to our involvement.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I would rather have a vet in the house than either dems who have no combat exper. at all. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!! The Iraqis in some parts of the country have running water and homes because of our involvement.

Posted by: r adams | May 30, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Sad to see the Obama campaign going for the mud. So much for his promise of a new kind of politics.

It's clear that we're to be treated to a constant stream of insinuation that McCain is borderline senile.

Obama, if he is the nominee, will reap what he sows. It will be a long, ugly road to November.

Posted by: WylieD | May 30, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"Basra, Mosul and now Sadr City are quiet and it's long and it's hard and it's tough and there will be setbacks."

I repeated this quote to a friend of mine and then asked him, "Name the person who said this quote."

My friend's response:

George W Bush.

Posted by: pb&j | May 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

So, r adams, you talk about having a Veteran in the house being better than the other two... Apparently you are not aware that this "veteran" turned his back on his brothers in Vietnam and sealed the records of all POW/MIA's so that there could be no further investigation as to their whereabouts.

Apparently you aren't aware that it was McCain that laid down so much bureaucratic barriers that one of the finest men to ever head the Special Office of Prisoners of War and Missing in Action was forced to resign as its Chief.
http://www.nationalalliance.org/reliable/peck.htm

I'm not so sure that you understand anything about McCain. More importantly, if he'll abandon his brothers in Vietnam, what makes you so secure in you mind that he will not abandon this country on a whim. At 72 years old, McCain doesn't have the capacity to be the POTUS, especially since he's already given to fabrication for his own ends.

Do your homework.

McCain is a traitorous worm, and the other two are no better.

Ron Paul 2008

Posted by: History | May 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

He senile pure and simple. Plus McCain has delusions that winning in Iraq will somehow "right the wrongs" of the Vietnam War. My Friends, a vote for this man will be 4 more years of pointless war that was brought on by lies and deceptions of his idiot predecessor!

Posted by: dre7861 | May 30, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Man, the Republicans are like somebody that's told so many lies, they can't remember them all and keep slipping up.

That's why it's best to tell the truth: It's easy to remember. Sadr City quiet? Mosul?

Whatever, fine, then.

Everything's Hunky-Dory, so we can go now, right?

I can't believe those idiots handed Iraq to Iran. What a bunch of Morons.

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the other Gulf States are not too happy about what we've done, either.

If you don't know what to do, don't do ANYTHING. That's the Lesson.

Posted by: Liar Liar Pants on Fire, Nose As Long... | May 30, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

It seems McCain McCain, himself, has answered my question. He insisted Friday that he didn't misspeak:

"I said we've drawn down," McCain said at a news conference. "The rest of them will be home at the end of July."

I guess he really did mix up his verb tenses, and continues to do so. Yeesh.

Posted by: Scott in NC | May 30, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

McCain on sleeping pills? Say it ain't so.

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Yep. McCain is on Ambien and it has serious side effects:

"Ambien can cause side effects that may impair your thinking or reactions. More serious side effects may include temporary amnesia, drug dependence, withdrawal symptoms when the drug is stopped after being used on a regular basis, excessively outgoing or aggressive behavior, confusion, agitation, strange behavior, hallucinations, depression, and suicidal thoughts."

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That may explain McCain's recent bizarre behaviour and confusion. This could also be a security risk for a future President of the United States.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

and it's long and it's hard and it's tough and there will be setbacks."

Exact same words that the Evil Bush uses! Keep it up McBush!

Also, how many suicide attempts has McCain made? Can someone answer that, since the stenography core at the Post don't want to tell us.

Posted by: GOP Street Against Bush Mafia | May 30, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Why does he look like a deer in headlights every time he gives a speech?

What's with the blank look and Super-Artificial podium striking?

McCain's Lame.

He's Out of Touch, Dude.

Posted by: McLame's Old | May 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain on sleeping pills? Say it ain't so.

With due respect, if he cannot sleep now as one of the carefree members of a hundred-strong privileged club that is the US Senate, how is he going to sleep when the weight of the world is on his tired old shoulders? He'll need heavy sedation.

Who will answer that ominous phone call at 3AM?

Posted by: holywoodog | May 30, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

More proof McSame is too old for the Presidency.

News flash to Red Bushies: only competent non-senile candidates wanted!

Posted by: Will in Seattle | May 30, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting to see people blindly believe in those who just promise and has not spend their life serving the country. Clinton and McCain have spent their life working for people. Obama has only promises so far. No experience. No dedication. Think about hiring a bright young individual who comes to your company without knowing anything. Think about hiring a passionate unskilled person to fix your car because he says he loves to fix it. Think about giving the company CEO position to a person without any evidence that he will dedicate to serve the company's interest.

America will lose 4 years going nowhere with this passionate young guy. Stop being naive. A passion without proven dedication is not qualified. A passion without skills is useless. Wake up America.

Posted by: Nam | May 30, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

My son is at a forward outpost with the USMC...My family and my church are supplying school supplies for the village. Hearts and minds? Kiss my ass GWB.

Posted by: willandjansdad | May 30, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Scott McClellan, Bush/cheney enabler, American traitor and domestic terrorist, just discredited the entire GOP reason for going to war with Iraq in the first place.

Yet the brain dead McSame is trying to use this discredited argument against Obama.

Come November, the GOP is toast! Toast! Toast!

Posted by: Kevin Schmidt | May 30, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm personally tired of hearing about all these "heroes" who joined the military. I guess my whole family is a Bunch of Regular Heroes, too, then. Dad, Step Dad, Bro, 2 Uncles, 4 Cousins...

We're some HEROIC SOBs !!

Commissary was pretty heroic, too, while it lasted. Not to mention the heroic medical care.

McCain's Daddy AND his GrandDaddy were both 4 star Naval Admirals, so guess what little Johnny did?

That's right. Graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958, earning a nice living as a pilot for about 10 years, until he got shot down bombing "who knows what or who" over Vietnam.

Then, he got tortured. Where's the Hero? Joining the Navy. GREAT.

My little Brother is a Hero, too. Or is he not QUITE as Heroic as John McCain because he hasn't yet entered our current Illegal War?

Man, If only my little bro gets tortured... He's a shoe in for President, I guess.

MY Brother, by the way, didn't join because he wants to be a hero or protect his country or NONE of the BS they try to shovel around.

He couldn't make a living working Part-Time at UPS. (By make a living, I mean pay for his own apartment, pay for a car, food, gas, insurance, nor a cell phone.)

LOTS of poor potential Heroes running around here, I'll tell ya.

John McCain can shove his Heroic story up his pale, lumpy a$$.

A REAL Hero would have protested the Illegal bombing, killing of a million Vietnamese, wasting 50,000 poor American lives...

For ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Maybe we should check in Vietnam for our next President, if all it takes is getting screwed by the Vietnam War. I'm sure there are many more eligible "Candidates" over there, and they didn't ASK for it.

Posted by: Everybody's a F***ing Hero, Now. | May 30, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain on sleeping pills? Say it ain't so.

With due respect, if he cannot sleep now as one of the carefree members of a hundred-strong privileged club that is the US Senate, how is he going to sleep when the weight of the world is on his tired old shoulders? He'll need heavy sedation.

Who will answer that ominous phone call at 3AM?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm personally tired of hearing about all these "heroes" who joined the military.

McCain's Daddy AND his GrandDaddy were both 4 star Naval Admirals, so guess what little Johnny did?

That's right. Graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958, earning a nice living as a pilot for about 10 years, until he got shot down bombing "who knows what or who" over Vietnam.

Then, he got tortured. Where's the Hero? Joining the Navy. GREAT. My little Brother is a Hero, too. Or is he not QUITE as Heroic as John McCain because he hasn't yet entered our current Illegal War?

Man, If only my little bro gets tortured... He's a shoe in for President, I guess.

MY Brother, by the way, didn't join because he wants to be a hero or protect his country or NONE of the BS they try to shovel around.

He couldn't make a living working Part-Time at UPS. (By make a living, I mean pay for his own apartment, pay for a car, food, gas, insurance, nor a cell phone.)

LOTS of poor potential Heroes running around here, I'll tell ya.

John McCain can shove his Heroic story up his pale, lumpy a$$.

A REAL Hero would have protested the Illegal bombing, killing of a million Vietnamese, wasting 50,000 poor American lives...

For ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Maybe we should check in Vietnam for our next President, if all it takes is getting screwed by the Vietnam War. I'm sure there are many more eligible "Candidates" over there, and they didn't ASK for it.

Posted by: Hero, Shmero | May 30, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting to see people blindly believe in those who just promise and has not spend their life serving the country. Clinton and McCain have spent their life working for people.

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Please, get real. Clinton and McCain have spent their life playing politics as usual. They are so totally in bed with lobbyists and special interest they can never function for the good of the country.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what presidential candidates we will be talking about four years from today.

Posted by: Barbara | May 30, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Mike, perhaps I overlooked the irony in your response to Michael - instead of explaining why it wasn't an ad hominem attack, you launched an ad hominem attack on him, by suggesting that he didn't know what one was. How clever!

Posted by: nevek | May 30, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

The medical report released by McCain -- for 3 hours -- revealed that Johnnie is on sleeping pills. I think this is a extremely disturbing and needs to be further investigated. How is this guy going to ready for a crisis at 3 am if he is zonked on sleeping pills?

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Scott in NC wrote: 'The McCain camp says he mixed up his "verb tenses."'

Um, ya, right. So instead of "We have drawn down to pre-surge levels," what did he really mean to say?

"We had drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We would have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We will have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We won't have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

If this explanation makes any sense to anybody, please help me out with this."
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OBVIOUSLY he meant to use the future perfect progressive tense.

"In 100 Years, we will have been drawing our troops down since this summer..." or something like that.

: )

Posted by: moi | May 30, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama should demand that McCain have a psyche exam. America needs to know if this guy is capable of handling the rigors of being POTUS.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

um, Mike, perhaps you don't know what an ad hominem attack is, because that is a perfect example. When you can't win an argument on the merits, attack your opponent's experience and motivation.

Posted by: nevek | May 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Every time John McCain opens his mouth we see how feeble his brain is. I think he is worse than Bush in his ability to stick to a lie. But so far, he's hanging in there on this one. Maybe it has something to do with his age.

Posted by: infuse | May 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse


Ha Ha. Everytime McCain attacks Obama, he screws up, displays his ignorance and then Obama smacks him down.

Obama couldn't have asked for a better opponent. This is gonna be fun!

Posted by: moi | May 30, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Where was McCain when Bush and Cheney were lying and misleading the country to war with Iraq? He was totaling in the tank with them.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

McCain is already showing the first signs of senility -- confusion, forgetfulness, frustration, anger. I suspect by November he will be a basketcase -- Lieberman and Cindy Lou will be taking all questions.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

You wrote:


This is rich coming from a candidate that thinks there are 57 states making up the United States of America! How many hearing has Obama held on Afghanistan in his Senate committee? When was he last in Iraq? The only thing Obama knows about Iraq is what he reads in the NYT.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 30, 2008 4:26 PM

Mike:
Why you guys put so much importance to Iraq or Afganisthan? How many of your candidates have visited India , China or for that matter Brazil? I don't know why war, Iraq, Afganisthan carry so much importance in US election. How about us? common people who don't know whether they will be able to feed their kids that day or not.

Posted by: BDG | May 30, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Eve - Given that you know so much about John McCain, please tell us why he was the only non-injured person to be transferred off the USS Forrestal WITH the wounded? And why was he transferred off the carrier within a couple of hours before the investigation into the mishap even started when he was one of those involved?

Maybe you'd like to start with "Because his daddy and granddaddy were ..."

Posted by: infuse | May 30, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

It's revealing that McCain did not respond but his spokesman Tucker Bounds did. I suspect the McCain campaign is getting more and more concerned about the increasing number of verbal gaffes McCain is making.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

McCorpse, is hopelessly out of touch. He may being playing the senior citizen cards. He generally gets a pass for his blunders and misstatements. It's one thing to mix up dates for insignificant events but on a major issue costing Americans thousands of lives, tens of thousands of grave injuries, and billions of dollars it's unacceptable. Either he is just clueless or he is using the same Bush tactics with more smoke screen mirrors.

Posted by: Mike | May 30, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Senility.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 30, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

eve, I find it a bit hypocritical for you to call everyone who reads the Washington Post "liberal fruitcakes" and insinuate they have not educated themselves on all the candidates and then say that others need to learn respect.

Posted by: grassy123 | May 30, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"Once again McCain launches an ad hominem attack masquerading as an argument ("Barack Obama has no experience with [U.S. troop levels in Iraq], and has shown zero interest in learning about").

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That's not an ad hominem attack at all. Do you know what an ad hominem attack is?

Posted by: Mike | May 30, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"Once again McCain launches an ad hominem attack masquerading as an argument ("Barack Obama has no experience with [U.S. troop levels in Iraq], and has shown zero interest in learning about").

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That's not an ad hominem attack at all. Do you know what an ad hominem attack is?

Posted by: Mike | May 30, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Current number of troops in iraq: 155,000

Security contractors (Blackwater etc.): 35,000

Contrators supporting troops: 150,000

Total armed troops: 190,000

Total Troops and troop Support: 340,000

Posted by: Yar | May 30, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

ha, ha, if anyone still didn't know who reads washington post they could find out now. a bunch of "i'm wiser, more intelligent, and overall better than anyone who ever walked the planet earth" liberal fruitcakes!
why respect a man who committed his life to this country, suffered unimaginable pain for his country, lived such an incredible, full life? oh never mind, you don't know anything about his life, because you only educate yourselves about liberals. anyone who thinks different than you is evil, right?
and by the way, i haven't decided who to vote for.
some of you really need to learn some RESPECT.

Posted by: eve | May 30, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I strongly believe John McCain is dead wrong on his foreign policy stances, including the war in Iraq (and Iran). I think it would be a terrible mistake to elect him to be president.

However, I also believe he is a patriot deserving respect. Just because we may not agree with him does not give us the right to question his patriotism or call him riduculous names. Obama will make (has made) mistakes too.

Although I strongly support Obama, I am not willing to throw dirt on someone merely for political gain or convenience. Let's keep it about the issues and the leadership styles of the candidates. This election will shape the direction of our country because these candidates have very different approaches to both foreign and domestic policy.

If we as citizens cannot raise the level of discourse, how can we expect the candidates and elected officials to do so?

Posted by: grassy123 | May 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

There are currently more than 150,000 servicemen and women in Iraq, versus the 130,000 that were there before George Bush's "surge."

This means that John Mc Cain can't keep track of 20,000 U.S. servicemen and women. And then his staff tries to minimize it as "nitpicking"?

Mc Cain has shown that he's K Street's man, that he will say anything to be president, and that he doesn't know Sunnis from Shiites. Did he make a reference to the long-defunt League of Nations the other week? Who does that?

That's not somebody I want as commander in chief.

Posted by: LH | May 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for fact checking.

Posted by: Sara B. | May 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Re: McCain_08

Another evidence that he actually wrote his posting:

"I can tell you and look you in the eye and say that..."

Watch his speech and the posting!

Posted by: Rich | May 30, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Very well done, Scott in NC!

Posted by: abqcleve | May 30, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Re: McCain_08

This comment must be written by John McCain: See the second para. that says "my opponent." No supporters would say that.

Posted by: Mark | May 30, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The number of troops or progress made in Iraq does not matter: McCain authorized the war, along with Hillary, based on false intelligence as Bush acknowledged.

The issue is about judgment--not experience.

The so-called "McCain's Watch" waiting to see Senator Obama visiting Iraq is part of his GRAND plan to kill Obama and then blame everything to Iraqi insurgents.

Any Americans know, by now, that the only way for him to win in the election is to force Obama to visit Iraq and then cover up his death as an accident.

His is watch is called Death Watch.

PS. By the way Senator McCain, in his latest press conference in WI, said that he would gradually reduce the troops--a major shift from "staying 100 years" and then "by 2012."

Posted by: JM | May 30, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

'The McCain camp says he mixed up his "verb tenses."'

Um, ya, right. So instead of "We have drawn down to pre-surge levels," what did he really mean to say?

"We had drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We would have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We will have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

"We won't have drawn down to pre-surge levels?"

If this explanation makes any sense to anybody, please help me out with this.

Posted by: Scott in NC | May 30, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain_08 funny.

Posted by: TackyParker | May 30, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

My friends, my opponent Barack Hussien Obama apparently does not know that 140,000 troops is less than the 130,000 we had before the surge. I AM MORE EXPERIENCED IN MILITARY MATTERS (although my math sucks)!

My friends, my opponent Barack Hussien Obama wants to consider the feelings of the Iraqis. Although our country pledged to leave Iraq if asked, I insist we must ignore all the protests, polls, and requests to leave from key Iraqi leaders.

My friends, I promised to start no more wars in the middle east for oil. Instead, I will fight on with THIS war for oil until we have bullied the Iraqis into submission and can get all the oil we want from there.

My friends, forget the war in Afghanistan because we must devote our resources to Iraq. Everyone knows that Osama bin Laden has weak kidneys and will soon kick the bucket anyway, so why devote our resources against al Quada and the Taliban? Let them win. Our fight is the truly honorable fight, and that's for oil.

My friends, don't vote for Obama because if he's our next president, I can assure you that gay terrorists will come for your guns and your bibles.

My friends, I can tell you and look you in the eye and say that competance in government is not what America needs. My friends, balanced budgets, health care, and saving Social Security are not important. A tone deaf hawkish foreign policy is what America wants.

Posted by: McCain_08 | May 30, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Rory's suggests that a vote for Obama is a vote for some form of "20th Century socialism." Pretty strong stuff. Which of Obama's policies, specifically, represent a return to "20th Century socialism"? Moreover, is there a distinction between "20th Century" socialism and other kinds of socialism?

Posted by: Michael | May 30, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

The age factor is something to take into consideration with John McCain's comments. He forgot that he was against the Bush tax cut before being against; he forgot about the Sunnis and Shias in Iraq even if he travelled in the area a couple of times; and he now forget about the troop levels after commenting on them on the campaign trail. The age factor is something to take into consideration with John McCain's memory leaks.

Posted by: Logan | May 30, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM MACAIN, HE WAS THE WORST IN HIS CLASS, ALL THE TIME. BEING OLD DOES NOT MAKE HIM SMARTER

Posted by: VIDAL | May 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Attacking McCain because he might be inaccurate about troop levels? Hell, Obama probably doesn't even know what "the surge" was or that it has been a smashing success. He surrendered to al-Qaeda in Iraq years ago along with most Democrats. And - newsflash - he also thinks there are 57 states in America. One can only assume that at least 7 of those are where he gets his alternate universe factual advisors from, like the one who indicated Auschwitz was liberated by Americans (wrong) and that a tornado killed 10,000 Americans recently (not a chance). A vote for Obama is a vote for stunning ignorance larded with heavy doses of discredited 20th century socialism. I'm no fan of McCain, but watching Obama incompetently lurch from one stupid blunder to the next is like watching a broke-winged pigeon flop about in central park.

Posted by: Rory | May 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Once again McCain launches an ad hominem attack masquerading as an argument ("Barack Obama has no experience with [U.S. troop levels in Iraq], and has shown zero interest in learning about").

Thin gruel, indeed. After 8 years of this diet, the American people have had enough.

Posted by: Michael | May 30, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

While I am definitely no fan of Juan McShame, this article is misleading in its 'incompleteness'. And as for the posters here, it is staggeringly stupid to posit that Juan is less knowledgeable about ANYTHING than B-Hussein. Only true Kool-Aid drinkers could take THAT position. Switch to iced tea, would you please?

Posted by: PJ | May 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse


RE McCainnn

He's a liar. He's a major phony and a liar.

We've known him primarily as the 5th of the Keating Five, who ratted so not to be indicted.

AND why, for all the years he's "talked" and talked and talked on all those subjects, was it necessary to get a bus and scream STRAIGHT TALK.

Protests too much. And furthermore, has a problem with truth and women.

We will hear more of it.

Posted by: Lazarus | May 30, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why some people are advocates of staying in Iraq..If you put America first..not Corp greed but America and its' citizens there is no logical reason to stay in Iraq. Maybe if the ones who want to continue fighting regardless of their age would be sent to Iraq to fight in that dust bowl maybe they would change their tune.

Posted by: lg | May 30, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

well, McCain is supposed to be the expert on military things, but here again, he failed the test miserably.

People must understand that he was brainwashed during his 5-year captivity in Hanoi and is very likely a Hanoi Candidate....ready to destroy America if he's elected. He's very, very unstable and very, very dangerous!!!

Don't be fooled by his supposed military expertise....because we can see once or twice every week or so, that he really doesn't know what he's talking about!!

HANOI CANDIDATE....BRAINWASHED by VIET CONG....
HANOI CANDIDATE....BRAINWASHED by VIET CONG....
HANOI CANDIDATE....BRAINWASHED by VIET CONG....
HANOI CANDIDATE....BRAINWASHED by VIET CONG....
HANOI CANDIDATE....BRAINWASHED by VIET CONG....
HANOI CANDIDATE....BRAINWASHED by VIET CONG....
HANOI CANDIDATE....BRAINWASHED by VIET CONG....

Posted by: the doc | May 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain is old and intellectually weak.

His latest gaffes about troop numbers and Mosul being "quiet" come hard on the heels of his inability to comprehend the difference between Shi'ites and Sunnis.

He thinks a limited "walk-about" in a small, carefully-chosen part of Baghdad, protected on the ground by cadres of U.S. military and, overhead, by attack helicopters, qualifies him to challenge Senator Obama about "the facts on the ground."

As one fool prepares to leave the White House after presiding over eight years of unprecedented damage to America's present and future well-being, will we be insane enough to replace him with another one?

Posted by: pali2500 | May 30, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

This is McBush at his best. OMG.

Posted by: Jim B | May 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"Choska and Obama flip flopped on his dealings with rezko ten times."
Dan

Excuse me Dan but what does your post have to do with this article, or thread?

Go find an Obama conspiracy site somewhere and post your nonsense"

You candidate was involved in the Keating Five and it looks like he was sleeping with a lobbyist - who had numerous issues before the Congress. That is good old straight talking McCain but it all depends on what side of his mouth he is talking out of.

Posted by: David | May 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

MikeJ9116:

Educate yourself, oh kool-aid drinker. 1. That subcommittee NEVER holds hearing. 2. I've NEVER been to Iraq, but I know it sucks, for all the reasons we all know! 3. Have you ever heard of advisors?

Posted by: michael4 | May 30, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse


To honor the dead, we must create more dead.

Posted by: Crispin Timothy "Hammerhead" Farnsingale | May 30, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I'd suggest to McCain that he quit acting like a know-it-all. Oh yeah, and quit making stupid statements.

Posted by: michael4 | May 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

perhaps after his time as a pow mccain is the manchurian candidate.

Posted by: dr no | May 30, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I hope that McCain continues to try to make the Middle East the centerpiece of his shambling campaign effort. He is remarkably uninformed about the basic facts about the history, religion and culture of the region. He does not know how many troops we have currently stationed in Iraq. He equates a ramble through a marketplace in Baghdad with in depth knowledge based on research and analysis. McCain is a dangerous man precisely because he does not know how much he does not know.

I feel confident that with Barack Obama as president we will at last have a leader who listens to experts of all backgrounds, considers feedback from a wide variety of sources, familiarizes himself with the history and cultures of the world, forcefully confronts our enemies, and represents our national interests with poise, eloquence, and power.

In contrast, McCain is another Iraq war disaster in the making. We cannot afford to entrust our nation to his incompetance and ignorance.

Posted by: dee | May 30, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The current situation in Iraq is very complex indeed.If we stay,we will continue to lose Billions of Dollars and hundreds of our soldiers' lives.And if we leave, the whole area will enter into regional wars that would threaten the world economy. The best and probably the only available solution lies in Iraq's neighboring country,Jordan.Both countries Jordan and Iraq had been united under what was called then the United Arab Kingdom at the time of King Hussein of Jordan and King Faisal of Iraq before his assasination in amilitary coup led by Abdul Karim Kasem.Reviving the United Arab Kingdom would put an end to all current problems and at the same time maintain a staunch ally of USA in the area. The Jordanian army and security forces are capable of maintaing safety and security in Iraq and King Abdulla of Jordan is highly educated and would be acceptable by all prties in Iraq.The united Arab Kingdom would uproot all Iranian influence in Iraq, eradicate Alqaeda for ever and protect the interersts of the USA in the area.

Posted by: SAM | May 30, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Hi Grandpa! Don't listen to these people. Fast forward through this part to the happy ending. Time for your bunion massage.

Posted by: Chief Two Dogs | May 30, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

The current situation in Iraq is very complex indeed.If we stay,we will continue to lose Billions of Dollars and hundreds of our soldiers' lives.And if we leave, the whole area will enter into regional wars that would threaten the world economy. The best and probably the only available solution lies in Iraq's neighboring country,Jordan.Both countries Jordan and Iraq had been united under what was called then the United Arab Kingdom at the time of King Hussein of Jordan and King Faisal of Iraq before his assasination in amilitary coup led by Abdul Karim Kasem.Reviving the United Arab Kingdom would put an end to all current problems and at the same time maintain a staunch ally of USA in the area. The Jordanian army and security forces are capable of maintaing safety and security in Iraq and King Abdulla of Jordan is highly educated and would be acceptable by all prties in Iraq.The united Arab Kingdom would uproot all Iranian influence in Iraq, eradicate Alqaeda for ever and protect the interersts of the USA in the area.

Posted by: SAM | May 30, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Once upon a time..., Dale Carnagie (author of Winning Friends and Influencing People) wrote how the majority of prison inmates didn't consider themselves criminals--merely the victim of circumstance...

...On the issue of Mens Rea (criminal intent) regarding McCain and Co. and Their War, we should consider this Great Campaign of Misdirection...

Victim of circumstance?, "game player"?, why shy away from telling us how "Afghanistan is on the brink of becoming a 'failed state', according to a new report, which also says the international mission to stabilise the country is 'faltering'. The Afghanistan Study Group report, released on Wednesday, also warned that WITHOUT NATO TROOPS, the government of Hamad Karzai, the Afghan president, is likely to 'fall apart'. It also warned that SEVERAL NATO COUNTRIES WERE 'WAVERING' OVER THEIR TROOP COMMITMENTS," from US report warns of Afghan failure, Aljazeera.net, 01/31/08.

"...popular opposition in Europe to the Iraq war was making it harder to persuade European governments to send more troops or take more risks to salvage Afghanistan. Nearly everything about President Bush's botched war of choice in Iraq has made it much harder to win Afghanistan's war of necessity. The fact that Mr. Gates is permitted such truth-telling is a measure of how bad things have gotten in Afghanistan and HOW MUCH THE UNITED STATES NEEDS MORE OUTSIDE HELP."

id est: WHAT???!!!

Posted by: Michael L. Wagner | May 30, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Why is this fool McCain continuing to lie to America the way Comrade Bush does?

We know we're going broke as a nation, accomplishing zero goals worth our brave soldiers dying for, and just propping up Bush/McCain comrades in their Middle East dynasties.

I guess he is McSame - we don't want a Bush Third Term - we want to be America, not a servant of other countries fighting wars that have nothing to do with us!

Posted by: Will in Seattle | May 30, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain seems to be showing signs of dementia.

Posted by: walker1 | May 30, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

My friends, I ask you: Who am I? And why am I here?

Posted by: Plan 9 | May 30, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I bet $1000 McCain thinks the Iranians are Arabs!!

Posted by: Aaron | May 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't know what he is talking about. The only thing he's got is his "military knowledge" but the fact is he doesn't have a grasp on the situation.

Posted by: Brendan | May 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

First Shia - Al qaeda
Now troops drawn down to "pre-surge" levels?
In McCain's health report, i know they went into exhausting detail on all of his skin cancer related ailments. They say his ticker is good. But is he losing his mental faculties?


Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Johas Salk,
I stand corrected! Thank you for the correction! I do remember Senator McCain making the rosy assumptions about how soon America would gain victory.

I was thinking along the lines of Senator McCain's objection to the size of the military ground forces that will be needed to occupy Iraq and the amount of grief the right-wingers gave him over that pronouncement.

Posted by: Ron | May 30, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

i was in japan, when 248 of my brothers was killed and one i went to high school with and joined the USMC with and we didn't fight, it's going back a little, but we needed a war then not now. this is personal business as i see it. warring for personal gain.

Posted by: kenney | May 30, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

DWayne wrote

McCain is a coward and a traitor.
Not to mention the fact that he's insane.
Send this lunatic to an extended care facility. Not to the White House.
----------------------------------------------
DWayne,
Although I vehemently disagree with Senator McCain's Iraq policy I believe it to be a very harsh and untrue thing to call Senator McCain a "coward" and a traitor". He is neither. Please use those words to define the chicken hawks and there are plenty of them on this blog along. Thanks !!

Posted by: Ron | May 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

This is rich coming from a candidate that thinks there are 57 states making up the United States of America! How many hearing has Obama held on Afghanistan in his Senate committee? When was he last in Iraq? The only thing Obama knows about Iraq is what he reads in the NYT.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 30, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

President Bush wasn't right about a single thing concerning Iraq. And now Senator McCain is demonstrating the same propensity for errors or lies.

That's unfair. John McCain didn't just start demonstrating the same propensity for erroes and lies--he has been wrong about this war since its very beginning!

Anyone else remember John McCain all over TV in 2002 and 2003, telling us how "quick" it would be? How there would not be house to house fighting in Baghdad?

He's been wrong about the big picture for years--why should it be any surprise he's wrong on the details of the tactics as well?

Posted by: Johas Salk | May 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Jeff C wrote:

And you all think you know the truth???
So sad you blow hards are. No guts, no military service only loud mouths.
--------------------------------------------

Jeff,

I have eleven years of Army service with 14 months of it spent in the Gulf region during Desert Shield & Desert Storm.

I agree with you though, there are plenty of pro-war people who not only didn't serve their country but are belly aching about having to pay for the war via tax increases or reduction of government services.

These pro-war chicken hawks love calling people that disagrees with them traitors or unpatriotic despite the chicken hawks dodging every chance to serve themselves.

Please consider this when you hear these tough guy pro-war characters.

Posted by: ron | May 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The conventional "wisdom" that there is any depth to McCain's foreign policy knowledge, or that he has any practical insights as to how to extricate us from Iraq, is a complete fabrication based solely on his respectable but irrelevant personal history. McCain has been coronated as the next Lead Neocon Idealogue, and is doing/saying nothing except rehashing political talking points because that's what the GOP establishment has demanded from him.

On the other hand, Obama has demonstrated again and again that he is the candidate with the superior problem-solving skills, insights, and personal character to deal with Iraq (and the rest of the world) in a manner that is in our best interests, both short and long term. There's a reason Sen. Obama "came out of nowhere" and into the forefront of American politics: Because the American people were hungry for a President with intellect and insight who will involve us in an honest debate about these issues, and then take action to resolve them.

What we're sick of is using Iraq to drum up GOP-"patriot" votes or soccer mom fear votes. McCain has wasted no time in starting to use the Rove playbook. Funny thing is, all those years in the Senate, and yet it's McCain ithat looks like the empty suit, rehashing these disproven arguments and pathetic soundbites.

But, hey great. If McCain keeps this up, I predict an Obama lead of 15 or so points within 2-3 weeks of wrapping up the nomination. And that can only be seen as good news.

Posted by: CDC | May 30, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

No way are we going to stand for the spin, spin, spin of four more years of Bush-type politics. McCain and his campaign errs if the numbers do not support their claim. There is a problem when people strike back with errors. Perhaps other units have been sent in to maintain the current levels. This business of only talking about units leaving Iraq is another half-truth. Remember McCain's trip to Iraq when he was protected by 150 guards and the next day, the market was blown up and closed. So much for Iraq truth.

Posted by: Earl C | May 30, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

McCain's knowledge of Iraq comprises of smoke and mirrors, like strolling the streets of Bagdad. Politicians like McCain use their photo-op, "dog and pony show" visits to Iraq to prove they know what's going on, when in reality they don't really have a clue.

Posted by: A.Lincoln | May 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain's knowledge of Iraq comprises of smoke and mirrors, like strolling the streets of Bagdad. Politicians like McCain use their photo-op, "dog and pony show" visits to Iraq to prove they know what's going on, when in reality they don't really have a clue.

Posted by: A.Lincoln | May 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

And you all think you know the truth???
So sad you blow hards are. No guts, no military service only loud mouths.

Posted by: Jeff C | May 30, 2008 4:01 PM
*****************

Excuse me? You want to contribute something constructive or just shoot something off. The only blowhard I'm reading here is you. Try putting some ideas out there if you're so with it, or is blustering all you have? The CS is the "man" who criticizes others' opinions while offering none of his own. Put up or shut up.

Posted by: abqcleve | May 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain's knowledge of Iraq comprises of smoke and mirrors, like strolling the streets of Bagdad. Politicians like McCain use their photo-op, "dog and pony show" visits to Iraq to prove they know what's going on, when in reality they don't really have a clue.

Posted by: A.Lincoln | May 30, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Co. will tell you that the problem with the war in Iraq has been in its execution. The war was not the problem, just bad management. Yet, contra McCain, others insist that had we known then, what we know now, we would not have gone to war. But the fact is that many of us did know, or at least knew enough, and were angry and demoralized because there was nothing we could do to stop the war. Through poor judgment or political calculation (or both), our representatives in the House and Senate voted to authorize Bush's war on October 11, 2002. Just five five months later, on March 18, 2003, the war began. And now, five years later, in some sort of bizarre parody of Churchill, we have McCain calling for victory and promising never to surrender. (Never surrender to what or to whom?)

The rest is too long for a comment.
"Iraq: It was Never the Right Choice (and we told you so)"

http://msa4.wordpress.com/

Posted by: Mitchell in New York | May 30, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

McCain and the people that support this stupid war have no heart. It puzzles me why we never took a harder line against Saudia Arabia, afterall the majority of the hijackers came from there.

I cannot understand why we continue to elect people like this. Do they really care about the military as they say. As a disabled veteran I would McCain would understand that families are suffering, and need their love ones home.

If you wanna stop terroist from attacking us, then stop letting them in on work and student visas. Let them go to other countries for education.

I get so tired of hearing cut and run. We will win. You cannot win a war in a region thats fought each other for centuries.

I feel so sorry for the mothers who have to bare the burden of burying a child. No one wants to outlive their child.

Say what you want about Hillary and Obama, at least they are willing to talk about the issues, oppose to McCain who only wants to talk about war,war,war. Who is really outta touch. Bring these people home, who cares what Muslims do to one another, I know I don't. Far as i'm concern they can kill each other. Our people are not worth it. They don't appreciate us anyway. God Bless Our Troops and their families.

Posted by: Antoine | May 30, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"The united Arab Kingdom would uproot all Iranian influence in Iraq, eradicate Alqaeda for ever and protect the interersts of the USA in the area.
Posted by: SAM | May 30, 2008 3:55 PM"
***************

I appreciate the reasonable tone of your posting and the willingness to explore new options. But, you don't think the sovreign will of the Iraqi people would have some objection to this, not to mention Iran? To some arch conservatives in the US, this would look like the caliphate they all are crapping their pants about.

No, I'm afraid the only acceptable option is true UN/multi-national peacekeeping, provided the Iraqis request same, which they certainly aren't doing under Maliki. Unfortunately, I don't think that will work over the long run. More likely, the US will be driven from Iraq because we can't afford staying there, and the area will devolve to a regional conflict.

What a disaster Bush, Rice and McCain have created for the world.

Posted by: abqcleve | May 30, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Again McCain spouts off with wrong information. He becomes outraged that someone would question him. Afterall he's been in the Wasington circle for many years, and he ALWAYS knows best. Truth is not a friend of McCain

Posted by: California Don | May 30, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

President Bush wasn't right about a single thing concerning Iraq. And now Senator McCain is demonstrating the same propensity for errors or lies. Either way I am sick of it and so is the American people.

If McCain wants America to stay in Iraq a 100 years the least he can do is be right about the things he claims to have so much experience about. The more he keeps harping on Obama's inexperience he highlights his own ignorance or obfuscation of what is really going on in Iraq.

Posted by: Ron | May 30, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

And you all think you know the truth???
So sad you blow hards are. No guts, no military service only loud mouths.

Posted by: Jeff C | May 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

This is the same John McCain who in April of 07 made a much publicised trip to a Bagdad market, saying how safe it was, that American's weren't getting the full picture....turned out the full picture included bullet proof vests, 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawk helicopters and two Apache gunships......he keeps proving that he will say anything to be elected...

Posted by: behr | May 30, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

President Bush wasn't right about a single thing concerning Iraq. And now Senator McCain is demonstrating the same propensity for errors or lies. Either way I am sick of it and so is the American people.

If McCain wants America to stay in Iraq a 100 years the least he can do is be right about the things he claims to have so much experience about. The more he keeps harping on Obama's inexperience he highlights his own ignorance or obfuscation of what is really going on in Iraq.

Posted by: Ron | May 30, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a coward and a traitor.
Not to mention the fact that he's insane.
Send this lunatic to an extended care facility. Not to the White House.

Posted by: DWayne | May 30, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The current situation in Iraq is very complex indeed.If we stay,we will continue to lose Billions of Dollars and hundreds of our soldiers' lives.And if we leave, the whole area will enter into regional wars that would threaten the world economy. The best and probably the only available solution lies in Iraq's neighboring country,Jordan.Both countries Jordan and Iraq had been united under what was called then the United Arab Kingdom at the time of King Hussein of Jordan and King Faisal of Iraq before his assasination in amilitary coup led by Abdul Karim Kasem.Reviving the United Arab Kingdom would put an end to all current problems and at the same time maintain a staunch ally of USA in the area. The Jordanian army and security forces are capable of maintaing safety and security in Iraq and King Abdulla of Jordan is highly educated and would be acceptable by all prties in Iraq.The united Arab Kingdom would uproot all Iranian influence in Iraq, eradicate Alqaeda for ever and protect the interersts of the USA in the area.

Posted by: SAM | May 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain sure that our troops are in Iraq, or Iran? It amazes me the sheer hypocrisy and utter lack of shame he displays. He was complicit in the Iraqi invasion, occupation and failure, but like Bush he will never admit to his duplicity. Instead he will try to deflect his failings by lampooning his opponent of being inexperienced and uninformed. Well McCain, you came with loads of experience to this debacle, Iraq, and you claim to be the foreign policy expert. If I were you I'd be embarrassed to tout experience or expertise in the matter of Iraq. You sir, are a failure!

Posted by: tydicea | May 30, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we need a President who does not think that flying somewhere for a silly dog-and pony show represents the collection of facts that is the basis for the making of policy.

Posted by: rusty3 | May 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse


Crazy Ol' Grampa McSame doesn't even know the difference between Sunni and Shia, what that has to do with al Qaeda / Iraq / Iran.

McCain admitted the invasion of Iraq was all about OIL and is of course "fine" with sending more US troops to die for lies and oil for "100 Years."

He even opposes higher eductation for US troops because he wants to keep them ig'nernt and dead for oil. "Support the Troops!"

To demonstrate how super safe Baghdad, McCain says his experience was just like "any open-air market In Indiana"...that is if there are massive security sweeps, body armour, dozens of bodyguards, sharpshooters and aerial security patrols of open-air markets in Indiana.

He doesn't even know CZECHOSLOVAKIA hasn't been a country for oh, almost 20 years and wants to waste billions on a fantasy missle defense shield while our schools and bridges crumble and collapse.

Obama definitely makes gaffes and I'm sure he is exhausted right now, but what's McCain's excuse?

McCain is a typical, flip-flopping, pandering, lobbyist bought & sold, career Washington politician with no vision beyond the failed policies of one retarded monkey named GW Bush, no integrity and no hope. He only sees the world through the twisted prism of WAR and has never met an issue he won't flippity-flop on depending on the audience.

This is gonna be fun. Obama is smarter, sharper and has a more educated and rational view of how the world works beyond the military industrial complex.

Time for a change.


Posted by: Shawn | May 30, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain knows how many troops are in Iraq. He's been there so many times he has personally counted them.

Posted by: tom | May 30, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Any candidate is capable of and will stumble on facts: the world is big and complicated. The thing to listen for, however, isn't the gaffes, but what informs them.

It's the pathological compulsion to describe the world the way you wish it to be rather than the way it is that ought to be concerning. Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfy and company have done that for years. It is the foundation of poor policy, incompetent execution and the utter inability to adjust when things aren't going well.

McCain consistently demonstrates that same tendency. Whether it's troop levels, safety and stability in Iraq, earmarks or almost every other topic, McCain shoots from the lip and just speaks what he wishes were the case. The issue and concern is not that he confuses Shia for Sunni; it's that he wishes Iran were a clear malfactor so he can take the war to them.

Conversely, the question is not how Obama confused Auchwitz for Buchenwald but that he understands the personal horrors warriors face when they return home.

The forest is what's important and what some posters here miss.

Posted by: abqcleve | May 30, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

This back and forth game is indeed tiresome.
I am confused of one thing though.
Since when does experience (and heroism) as a prisonner of war translate into experience in general war matters and foreign policy ?

Posted by: Gaston | May 30, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious! There you have it, AGAIN folks, on the war issue!

I'm done with the mind games on national television. I have no further patience for this. I want results on this issue, and if Hillary doesn't get the nomination, I darn well trust Obama to make that happen before McCain.

Bring Our People Home ASAP!

No Games, No Questions, Just Results '08

Posted by: Obama2008 | May 30, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

i think maccain is suffering from early dementia. This guy doesn't know the number of US tops in Iraq, even though he is bragging about the number of trips he has been to Iraq.

Posted by: bai | May 30, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama said the leader of Canada was the president of Canada. He is a moron. He is Mr affirmative action.

He also lies. In 2004 he said he was against the fence in Israel now he is for it for political gain.

Yeah Obama is really presidential material staying at a racist cesspool church. Yeah that will be really appropriate to have the president of the united states the leader of the free world attending a church like that. A church that gives Farakkan awards.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Choska and Obama flip flopped on his dealings with rezko ten times."
Dan

Excuse me Dan but what does your post have to do with this article, or thread?

Go find an Obama conspiracy site somewhere and post your nonsense

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I guess the thing that disturbs me is we have a candidate that doesn't seem to know several of the facts in a region we are at war with while criticizing others as being "naive" or "lacking good judgement" while it appears that the opposite is true.

Obama may not know his concentration camps very well, I can forgive him for now for that. But McCain keeps getting the facts wrong about a region that WE ARE NOW FIGHTING A WAR IN, this presents in my mind a national security risk.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain thinks Ahmadinejad is the leader of Iran. FALSE.

McCain has mixed up Sunnis and Shiites on at least four separate occasions.

McCain thinks Petraeus drives around Iraq in an unarmed Humvee. FALSE.

McCain thinks we are at pre-surge troop levels. FALSE.

The question is, what *does* McCain know about the Middle East?

Posted by: Franklin | May 30, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

What I think is interesting is that McCain's gaffes consistently display a lack of knowledge of current events. Obama's, meanwhile, are either misstatements ("57 states" either referred to the 47 states he visited or the 57 contests there would be in the Democratic primary [DC, Puerto Rico, plus some states w/ both caucuses and primaries]).

McCain's main argument is that he's more qualified, more prepared to be President, specifically on national security. But his statements make clear he doesn't understand the security situation in either Iraq or Iran.

If the guy has no knowledge on the area he claims to be most knowledgeable about, how little does he know about areas where he admits ignorance, like economics?

Posted by: JoshA | May 30, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: lr3n5vcvai | May 30, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama could not ask for a better opponent. McCain is pitiful.

Posted by: dlong | May 30, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

It's funny that people think Obama associates with extremists. When Bush doesn't take advice from his father, who was President, and instead, relies on The Father of the Universe, which of course hasn't actually been President, or exists for that matter.
Religious extremism is extremism no matter the religion.

Posted by: Gern Blanston | May 30, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Whenever McCain gets something wrong, as he demonstrably did in this instance, his side compounds the error by screaming, rather than admitting. And he is joined by members of this particular conversation screaming their own blatant nonsense and irrelevancies. It grows old. The sad thing is that lying and screaming have become part of our political tradition.

Posted by: beaujames | May 30, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Choska and Obama flip flopped on his dealings with rezko ten times.

Obama said the dc gun ban law was constitutional then in the debate said he didn't know the specifics.

Obama keeps father flager as his counsel. Father pflager invites farakkan to his church.

Obama hangs around with extremists.

Obama is not qualified to be president.

Posted by: Dan | May 30, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

The Results Are Shocking!

http://www.votenic.com

Run By A Kid.

Posted by: Jeffry | May 30, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Barak Obama said the leader of Canada was the president of canada. The leader of Canada is the prime minsiter. Canada has been under parliamentary rule for 140 years.

The surge was announced when two brigades were already on the ground. There were over 140,000 troops when the surge was announced. The media forgets that two brigades were there and extra marines were there when it was announced.

McCain is right the troop level now is the same when the surge was announced.

Obama couldn't tell the difference between iraq and iran. He had no idea who special groups of fighters were. He thought they were trained in iraq under the maliki government not in iran.

McCain has said hundreds of times in hearings that iranians are shiites and al queda is sunnis.

I guess then Obama thinks there are 57 states.

Obama said sunshine florida instead of sunrise.

Obama said 10,000 people died in a tornado in kansas.

Obama said 100 million died in burma.

Posted by: David | May 30, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

for more on the race and to get a look at the DNC rulebook that will guide saturday's HUGE committee meeting (about FL and MI delegates), please click below:

http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/05/the-rules.html


Posted by: tomabrahams | May 30, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Media narrative alert: McCain is quickly building a reputation as a guy who doesn't know the facts, and this is undercutting his reputation as a "straight-shooter."

He tells it like he sees it. But how he sees it is at odds with the actual facts.

Maybe he is too old. Maybe he is blinded by the same aversion to facts that afflicted the Bush administration. Whatever the case McCain isn't qualified for the job.

Posted by: Choska | May 30, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

McCain is playing the only "successful" card he has which is military experience, especially when it comes to Iraq. For the ranking Senate minority leader of the Armed Services Committee, this is a major misstatement by McCain. First he displayed a month ago that he doesn't know the difference between Shia, Sunni, and terrorist. Now he doesn't know (or is lying) that American troops levels in Iraq are closer to the surge maximum (~165,000) than to the pre-surge level (~130,000).

Also the media keeps allowing the McCain and RNC to get away with the facts of the surge and its eventual draw down. The "surge" is created by delaying the return of American troops (i.e. extending tour duties) in Iraq and speeding up the deployment of some new troops to Iraq. Unless the US Dept. of Defense wants to "burn out" some army and marine troops, the surge will have to end regardless of what McCain says.

Posted by: AJ | May 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

These are the gaping holes in McCain's campaign and campaign rhetoric that has Republicans scared silly. He is not running a cohesive general campaign despite getting a huge head start against the feuding Dems and being a generally well-known and likable political figure. This could be GOP disaster come fall.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | May 30, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

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