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Michigan Delegates to Be Seated, but Bitterness Lingers


Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) argues his point during a Democratic National Committee meeting at the Marriott Park Wardman hotel May 31, 2008 in Washington, D.C.
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By Chris Cillizza
The Rules and Bylaws Committee approved a motion that would seat Michigan's disputed delegates based on a complicated allocation formula, a vote that left some backers of Sen. Hilary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) visibly agitated and leaving open the possibility of taking the fight well into the summer months.

The measure was approved, 19 to 8.

The proposal would grant 69 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) and then immediately halve those totals, leaving Clinton with 34.5 delegates and Obama with 29.5 delegates. That is a result closer to what Obama allies had argued for (a 64-64 split) than the plan Clinton supporters had pushed for (a 73-55 allocation).

"This is a fair and good result," insisted Tom Hynes, an Illinois based RBC member and supporter of Obama. Hynes was repeatedly interrupted by catcalls from the audience insisting that voters were being disenfranchised by the proposal.

Harold Ickes, the most vocal supporter of Clinton on the RBC, delivered a stinging rejection of the proposal before the vote -- accusing the committee of "hijacking" four delegates that the New York senator had fairly won in Michigan.

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Alice wrote:
"You stated above that the 69/59 Michigan delegate split approved by the RBC is closer to what the Obama people had asked for than what the Clinton people had asked for.

That is incorrect, as a simple review of the math will show. Clinton people asked for 73/55. Obama people asked for 64/64."

Is there documentation of this? I had the impression the Clinton people asked for 73/0.

Donna Brazile's comments seem to suggest 73/55 was never offered:
"I kept waiting to see if the Clinton campaign would go over to the Obama campaign or the undeclared superdelegates and cut a deal...

He [Obama] also could have won on a crucial vote on this Michigan proposal to split the delegation 50-50. And rather than cause a ruckus they gave in. He had the votes. and the Clinton campaign never took the olive branch"

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Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 1, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

What Hillary supporters seem to be overlooking regarding Michigan is that she was the only viable candidate on the ballot. One-candidate elections worked fine for the Soviet Union, but we do things differently here. If the situation were reversed, Hillary's supporters would be crying bloody murder and trying to throw out the entire primary rather than trying to reach a compromise so we can all go forward.

Posted by: DrDanN | June 1, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

In response to the gentleman's motion in regard's to Aussie2020 being an ignorant dumbass who doesn't know the first thing about AMERICAN politics, I second that motion.

Posted by: California PI | June 1, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Come on people. We all have to admit that the Clinton campaign has been a veritable circus of missteps, poor planning, unfocused flounderings, and monthly personnel changes as it went blindly about its "figure it out as we go" efforts. HRC's campaign mismanaged there money, had to beg, borrow, dare I say steal funds to make it up to this point.

We all know that those who stood by here in the campaign would rise to prominent positions in her adminsitration. Do we really want a woman, a Clinton, non-minority so bad that we are willing to amke a leap of faith and assume that she and her incompetent minions wouldn't run the country like they ran the campaign?

Posted by: California PI | June 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Aussie2020 is an ignorant dumbass who doesn't know the first thing about AMERICAN politics.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"The DNC Insiders, Carl Levin, John Edwards, Howard Dean and Obama all must go. Speak at the ballot box and vote THEM ALL OUT OF OFFICE."

Try learning something about AMERICAN politics. When Barack has won the nomination--as he will TU--he officially becomes head of the Democratic party. He will appoint his own head of the DNC as Kerry appointed Dean and the Clintons appointed McAuliffe. John Edwards does not hold a position with the DNC and neither does Levin--he was there yesterday to represent his state.

The rules committee that voted yesterday had 13 Clinton supporters and 8 Obama supporters. IF YOU THINK THERE WAS A CONSPIRACY THERE, YOU ARE AS INSANE AS YOU ARE IGNORANT.

LEARN SOMETHING IGNORANT FOOL!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Carl Levin did an excellent job in explaining WHY the MI primary was moved up and I can see why the MI party was frustrated by the national primary schedule. That being said, all of the major players in the national and state Democratic paties knew full well what the repurcussion would be if they went ahead and unilaterally changed their date. While the average Joe/Josephina-milkshake in ballot booth may not have fully undestood - their party officials did. High level supporters of all the Democratic candidates - inclusive of the candidates themselves - signed off on the rules and ramifications. If the so-called "disenfranchised" voters have anyone to blame, it is their own state party leadership. I'm sorry, but the MI and FL voters unfortunately have to pay for the actions of their leadership.

To all of those who are now arguing that there is a conspiracy of Obama supporters in the RBC - are you saying that they were all prescient enough to forecast that even though the HRC campaign signed off on the deal, even though no one had yet seen the success of the Obama campaign strategy, they had already annointed Obama and thus proactively rigged everything in his favour? I submit: if the Obama wing of is possessed of clairvoyancy, wouldn't our country benefit from their psychic skills? We'd know what events would occur and could take pre-emptive steps to proactively rectify any negative effects. It would be a tremendous geo-political advantage.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

New Yorkers should not even consider her for their senate as she has shown herself to be terribly mediocre.

Posted by: james | June 1, 2008 12:36 PM

I am a New Yorker and I agree. Finally there is a groundswell by Democrats in NY to get rid of this do nothing carpetbagger! Let's follow through and kick her to the curb where she belongs!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

The DNC Insiders, Carl Levin, John Edwards, Howard Dean and Obama all must go. Speak at the ballot box and vote THEM ALL OUT OF OFFICE. When McCain is elected, as he will be, Carl Levin, John Edwards, Howard Dean and Obama should all resign. They have highjacked Democracy. Never in the history of any Modern Democracy has a candidate been allocated delegates after voluntarily taking his/her name off the ballot. All uncommitted delegates were allocated to Obmama even though John Edwards and other candidates were getting votes in the other primaries. This is Fraud and Collusion on the part of Howard Dean, Carl Levin, John Edwards and Obama. The FBI should investigate and the Senate should call a special grand jury to investigate and get John Edwards, Howard Dean, Carl Levin and Obama to testify under oath. And if they lie, then they should suffer the same fate as Martha Stewart and Marion Jones. Some time in prison for John Edwards, Howard Dean, Carl Levin and Obama is what the four criminals all need. What they have done in Michigan is a CRIME against Democracy and the American and Michigan People. The FBI should investigate racheteering, fraud and collusion violations.

Posted by: Aussie2020 | June 1, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"It is not the fault of the voters, the citizens, you and I, that these primaries were held early against rules! Most of us don't even know what the rules are."

YOU ARE ONLY OPPRESSED BY YOUR OWN IGNORANCE!

I AM AN EDUCATED AMERICAN WHO KNOWS WHAT IS GOING IN MY POLITICAL PARTY AND MY STATE.

BOTH THE RNC AND DNC PENALIZED BOTH FL AND MI HALF THEIR VOTES -- FOR A REASON! IT IS A PROCESS THAT MUST HAVE ORDER. BOTH STATES WERE WARNED IN PLENTY OF TIME TO CHANGE THEIR DATE SO IT WOULD BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES. THEY KNEW THEY WOULD PENALIZED AND DID IT ANYWAY. IF YOU LIVE IN FL AND MI--YOUR STATE PARTY LEADERS PENALIZED YOUR VOTE. TAKE IT UP WITH THEM. LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROCESS. WORK TO SEE THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that any citizen of the United States could feel that anyones vote, irregardless of who they are, should not count.

It is not the fault of the voters, the citizens, you and I, that these primaries were held early against rules! Most of us don't even know what the rules are.

In these times when we are ALL struggling to be counted, to matter, to have our voices heard, how can we as human beings say it is right for people not to count?

This is, once again and very sadly, not a true election. Once again, the people will not be heard.

This is oppression in America. Once again.

Posted by: The Right Thing To Do | June 1, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama sponsored legislation to collect loose nukes, to help veterans not to have to pay their own bills at Walter Reed and a number of campaign reform acts that now provide greater transparency and disclosure for politicians. And these are just three measures--off the top of my head--that have passed. All in all, Barack introduced 152 bills in HIS FIRST YEAR in the Senate. Hillary introduced 20 bills in the Senate in her FIRST SIX YEARS--most of which were to name buildings after people and congratulate NY sports teams.

Still waiting for SPECIFICS W/ REGARD TO Hillary's experience b/c you keep claiming she has it RATHER THAN TAKING UP SPACING WAITING FOR WHAT SHE FEELS ENTITLED TO.

WHERE ARE THE SPECIFICS?

In fact, it is clear, that the EMPTY ONLY EMPTY PANTSUIT IN THIS EQUATION IS HILLARY.

Barack has more elective experience and is more accomplished than Hillary. Wishing it otherwise does not make it so. SORRY.

Posted by: | June 1, 2008 12:57 PM

I'd love to know too. Barack has more elective experience AND more legislative accomplishments that anyone can cite.

Thus, Barack is the accomplished one and Hillary the empty suit. Case Closed.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Don't fool yourself. She ran around attaching her name to other people bills and claim them as her own.

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Attaching yourself to other peoples bills as a cosponsor doesn't fool anyone. Still waiting for Hillary's LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE U.S. SENATE. ANYONE?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"The NDC and the Rules Committee are firmly controlled now by the Obama camp. How else could"
Posted by: BrigN.

SORRY TRY DNC AND THAT COMMITTEE HAS 13 CLINTON SUPPORTERS AND 8 OBAMA SUPPORTERS. IT IS PUBLIC RECORD. LOOK IT UP. HER OWN SUPPORTERS VOTED AGAINST HER B/C IT IS CLEAR WHAT THE INTENT OF THOSE VOTERS WAS AND YOU CANNOT SUPPRESS VOTES!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't fool yourself. She ran around attaching her name to other people bills and claim them as her own.

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See- Obamites change the subject when it is inconvenient to talk about THEIR CANDIDATE'S RECORD OR LACK THEREOF- The point was that Clinton worked with members of both parties to get bills passed, etc. What exactly is the record of Barak during his two years of active duty and one year of MIA in the senate? He jumped on board to be cosponsor for a lot of legislation, he even jumped in a press conference to take credit for McCain-Kennedy- but he wasn't at the meetings and didn't do the writing.

I will vote for him since I can't allow the right wing to have another election- but he is an empty suit, a paper tiger. The emporer has not clothes and just because a bunch of "educated" people want to jump on the band wagon for whatever reason- it doesn't make him anything different. Even his leaving the church now- Trinity was a vessel for him to be "black" enough to win some votes in South Chicago. Now that it is inconvenient, he walks away. I worked for J. Jackson in 1988- he has deep conviction for what he preaches/believes in. This guy is a fraud. A snake oil salesman

Posted by: | June 1, 2008 12:42 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Hell, she would not even be there if Rudy had not gotten cancer. And if she was not Bill wife she would not have won reelection because she ran unopposed. She is a political farce, not a power broker. She was Bills wife nothing more, that is her claim to fame.

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TAKING UP SPACE, sorry

Waiting for anyone who can prove that Hillary has not just taken up space in the U.S. Senate waiting for what she feels entitled to.

If this is so difficult, to name four bills--of any signifigance that she has passed--I just named THREE off the top of my head that Barack has sponsored and PASSED--then IT IS ANOTHER LIE THAT HILLARY IS MORE ACCOMPLISHED.

Posted by: | June 1, 2008 1:01 PM

Posted by: truth | June 1, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

The NDC and the Rules Committee are firmly controlled now by the Obama camp. How else could they come down with a Michigan decision that is highly undemocratic in that it allots a percentage of the votes (and delegates) to a candidate who was not even on the ballot.
For more on the Democratic Party's undemocratic rules in the presidential nominating process, see:
http://www.reflectivepundit.com/reflectivepundit/2008/06/obamas-victory.html

Posted by: BrigN. | June 1, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

TAKING UP SPACE, sorry

Waiting for anyone who can prove that Hillary has not just taken up space in the U.S. Senate waiting for what she feels entitled to.

If this is so difficult, to name four bills--of any signifigance that she has passed--I just named THREE off the top of my head that Barack has sponsored and PASSED--then IT IS ANOTHER LIE THAT HILLARY IS MORE ACCOMPLISHED.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"The point was that Clinton worked with members of both parties to get bills passed, etc"

Barack Obama sponsored legislation to collect loose nukes, to help veterans not to have to pay their own bills at Walter Reed and a number of campaign reform acts that now provide greater transparency and disclosure for politicians. And these are just three measures--off the top of my head--that have passed. All in all, Barack introduced 152 bills in HIS FIRST YEAR in the Senate. Hillary introduced 20 bills in the Senate in her FIRST SIX YEARS--most of which were to name buildings after people and congratulate NY sports teams.

Still waiting for SPECIFICS W/ REGARD TO Hillary's experience b/c you keep claiming she has it RATHER THAN TAKING UP SPACING WAITING FOR WHAT SHE FEELS ENTITLED TO.

WHERE ARE THE SPECIFICS?

In fact, it is clear, that the EMPTY ONLY EMPTY PANTSUIT IN THIS EQUATION IS HILLARY.

Barack has more elective experience and is more accomplished than Hillary. Wishing it otherwise does not make it so. SORRY.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I think this shows exactly how a Hillary presidency would go. What the Hillary fans need to understand is that the country right now is really trying to find a way to unite and get some problems resolved. If the type of bickering she is engendering in her supporters shows how she will react when if she won the presidency. THEN, we will be in another 4 years of partisan bickering.

I think those who don't understand that we are going to need some real compromise to move this country forward are missing the point. It's not about getting your total way, it's about getting progress made for the country.

So with that said, let's point this out. It took me a moment to figure out where these 4 delegates Ickes is referring to, were coming from. But they come from the uncommitted group (MI) that now as some group (a union) claim that they want to vote for Hillary. They had there chance in the primary vote and even if they gave no votes to Obama from Michigan, she still would not have gotten the 4 votes.

If you can't give a little to reach a compromise over 4 votes maybe you shouldn't run the country.

Posted by: D'Angela | June 1, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

See- Obamites change the subject when it is inconvenient to talk about THEIR CANDIDATE'S RECORD OR LACK THEREOF- The point was that Clinton worked with members of both parties to get bills passed, etc. What exactly is the record of Barak during his two years of active duty and one year of MIA in the senate? He jumped on board to be cosponsor for a lot of legislation, he even jumped in a press conference to take credit for McCain-Kennedy- but he wasn't at the meetings and didn't do the writing.

I will vote for him since I can't allow the right wing to have another election- but he is an empty suit, a paper tiger. The emporer has not clothes and just because a bunch of "educated" people want to jump on the band wagon for whatever reason- it doesn't make him anything different. Even his leaving the church now- Trinity was a vessel for him to be "black" enough to win some votes in South Chicago. Now that it is inconvenient, he walks away. I worked for J. Jackson in 1988- he has deep conviction for what he preaches/believes in. This guy is a fraud. A snake oil salesman

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary used her time in the senate to campaign for the presidency and New Yorkers deserve better. She should not have run for the senate in 2006 as she knew she would run for the presidency but she has no ethics, or morals and little experience for any political endeavor which is reinforced by her senate record. Hillary touts herself as the solutions candidate so why did she not share these solutions with the small towns in NY that have grown smaller under her tenure? She used the fact that Al Gore was not elected for her inability to provide the jobs she promised New Yorkers and in the eight years since she could not come up with an alternate plan. the smartest woman in the world is proving to be barely educable and totally self serving. New Yorkers should not even consider her for their senate as she has shown herself to be terribly mediocre.

Posted by: james | June 1, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The people of Fla and Mich did vote. They voted for their representatives who voted to change the primary dates. That's what happens in a republic.

Obama did not get a chance to state his case in those two states before the primaries. How would those attending the RBC meeting appreciate that sort of treatment, the the rules committee just issue a ruling without input.

Put your emotions aside or we will be looking at another republican administration.

Posted by: bob | June 1, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Hell, she would not even be there if Rudy had not gotten cancer. And if she was not Bill wife she would not have won reelection because she ran unopposed. She is a political farce, not a power broker. She was Bills wife nothing more, that is her claim to fame.

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TAKING UP SPACE, sorry

Waiting for anyone who can prove that Hillary has not just taken up space in the U.S. Senate waiting for what she feels entitled to.

If this is so difficult, to name four bills--of any signifigance that she has passed--I just named THREE off the top of my head that Barack has sponsored and PASSED--then IT IS ANOTHER LIE THAT HILLARY IS MORE ACCOMPLISHED.

Posted by: | June 1, 2008 1:01 PM

Posted by: truth | June 1, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

it is about time to start talking,.Harold Ikes is a open minde Man, and this fight will go ON.
Hillary must change Her Party, it is over, and DNC and mosta black in this meeteing arre against Hillary. They betray the Real Democratic Party, DNC is going down with flames taking Haeard Dean with. There is no more room for UNITY, party are over. Now is time talking about real DNC. Independence Party are waiting for Hillary to represent their Party. Milions are living DNC, this is begining of split in DNC>about time....

Posted by: mandi08 | June 1, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

to all Obama fanatics...Hillary is not mad, she is cooking, and You dont know Hillary... Suprise is coming. You are stilling votes from Her, it will be time to pay back. She is not done , even if She dont get the nomination. We will not support Obama, and He will be a big looser. You got , what You deserve. Obama said, that Clintons Love Democratic Party dearly, I believe that this love came to the end, and Clintons supporters will pay DNC , for what they did on Saturday!!!Finally we can see what DNC trully is. Haward Dean sold DNC to Obama, and He will go down to.You guys dont know, who You are messing. Hillaty took a bigg hit, from begginung form Obama and DNC. All black turn against HER, and some so "LOYAL" democrats 13 of them like Richardson, Reich and others. This war just start yestesrday.If Hillary chade Party, we will hear thre true about the real DNC, Pelosi, Reed... it is just started.
DNC just devidet Democratic Party. McCain will be Our new President, Obama will loose a big time. You wont get meny milions votes for "demmocrats" dont count on them anymore.!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mandi08 | June 1, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Sorry YOUR specifics. Still waiting for anything specific that Hillary has ever accomplished in her '35 year' career. And TED KENNEDY's health care bill does NOT COUNT. That's his bill that she CLAIMS credit for. (B/c she VOTED for it)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 3:16 AM | Report abuse

Let's look at facts- shall we? Despite rhetoric suggesting the opposite- Barak has "crossed the aisle" to "work together" two times of substance in the Senate while HRC has fone it throughout her Senate career.

Posted by: | June 1, 2008 1:52 AM

In fact, Hillary's refusal to work collaboratively with even Senate Democrats during her tenure as 'health care czar' during her husband's administration is the widely cited reason for it's dismal failure.

Where are you're specifics?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

Susan,

Let's look at facts- shall we? Despite rhetoric suggesting the opposite- Barak has "crossed the aisle" to "work together" two times of substance in the Senate while HRC has fone it throughout her Senate career.

Posted by: | June 1, 2008 1:52 AM

YESA, lets look at the facts. In her her first 6 years in the US Senate (her first DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED POSITION as opposed to appointment or corporate job), Sen. Clinton introduced a grand total of 20 bills. Four of those bills were for naming various buildings after dead people, two of them were directly related to the attacks of 9/11/2001 and several others were things like congratulating sports teams.

What are your examples b/c I see no specifics?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

Susan,

Let's look at facts- shall we? Despite rhetoric suggesting the opposite- Barak has "crossed the aisle" to "work together" two times of substance in the Senate while HRC has fone it throughout her Senate career.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Just a few words. Go choke on it Hillary, then let Bill play with his cigar and then he can choke on it too. Goodbye to you both. You won't be missed.

Posted by: David S. Robins | June 1, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

How do we best word our campaign signs and bumper stickers?

Posted by: | May 31, 2008 11:36 PM

DUMBASS RETARDS W/OUT BRAINS!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

"Bonnie - Don't worry, I will make my vote in opposition to the Bush years by voting Democrats for Congress. I will help them gain their filibuster-proof majority."

Right. That pretty much stopped the war? Right.

No one should buy that this piece of trash is a true Democrat. InSearchofTruth is a racist, a republican or a racist republican. Any of these three = dumbass retard!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

VOTE!

Democratic congress / McCain president

Balanced and fair - the opposite of fox.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

In search of truth====do you think your candidate is the first one to ever lose in a primary season. 6 other Democrats lost this year and about 9 Republicans. They all get behind their winner and move on for what they believe in . If you think your candidate got screwed with the Michigan deal, I believe you are wrong . I live in Michigan's 4th Congressional District. On April 19th we had our 4th Congressional District niminating convention for delegates to Denver. 49 Hillary people showed up and 89 Obama people showed up. This is a very white district except for a smattering of minorities around Mt. Pleasant , in Isabella County , where the convention was held and part of Saginaw County. Besides these two, there are 12 other counties in the district from Saginaw southwest to Traverse City. I do not think Hillary would have a chance at a majority here today were there a primary.P.S. Only 4 blacks showed up for the meeting, for Obama and one Mexican for Hillary.

Posted by: LetthemdrinkCrownRoyal | June 1, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/31/bill-clinton-at-private-f_n_104476.html

Here is Bill Clinton resolution to MI and Florida delegates as far back as April. That they should half the delegates for both state.

Posted by: VIC | June 1, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Stop deriding those who will vote for McCain if Obams is nominated. I'm sure there will be Obama supporters who will vote for McCain, too, if Hillary is nominated.

Posted by: Darius | June 1, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Yes, it's a great idea to Vote for McCain for President and vote Democratic for those running for Congress. The best scenario is having McCain as president and a filibuster-proof Democratic controlled Congress. That way the people can punish the DNC for partially disenfranchising voters from Florida and Michigan while knowing that the Democratic Congress will keep him in check and bring the troops home.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 11:37 PM

This InSearchofTruth Idiot is so dumb he is unaware that the RNC also penalized the FL and MI delegations by half a vote.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

The fiministas have shown that they do not really care about anything else... but electing a female candidate even if it means going against rules and reason. That is an indication of a cult. not a reasonable opinion. If you are followers are mainly cult memebers.. then you should not be President...
Sorry Clinton.... you can try some other time... when cultism is ok.

Posted by: Venkat | June 1, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

sorry...I think you are beyond help,,,but take some prozac..it might help you a little...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse


Hey all!

I am looking for Hillary supporters. If you're in Hils camp, would you pop by here when you get a sec?

http://livefrankly.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/an-honest-question-to-clinton-supporters/

Thanks in advance!

Posted by: MsJoanne | June 1, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Tom Potter,

Honestly, it's sad to see you buy into fiction- this is more Harry Potter than real.

Dude- who do you think the Obamites are going to "rail against" at the convention- Obama offers rhetoric for change but what exactly does he plan to do- all analysis- look in the Post just 2 days ago- indicates that he is middle of the road- his proposals are LESS ambitious than Hillary's. He has the support of all the major players in the Dem party- Kennedy, Kerry, Daschle, etc...which one of them is he going to strip of power and perks? The DNC just handed him the election- the MSM and the liberal establishment refuse to challenge him on anything, even though he is not a liberal particularly, and excuse anything that he does. I listen to liberal radio daily telling me why McCain has these bad endorsements from religious nuts and in the same breath saying that Barak is linked (by 20 years of relationships, donating to church, claiming him as a mentor, naming a book, marraige, baptisms, blessing the campaign, etc.)to the pastor but doesn't believe the stuff himself (which would make him a political opportunist but noone calls him out on that or his election hijinx when running for congress or state senator) or claiming that Rev. Wright speaks "truth to power"- so that is what it is when he claims the US govt. invented AIDS and Crack to get the AA community?

In other words- you are not a rebel for backing Obama- at best you are fairly choosing a candidate out of two similar candidates. At worst may be hopelessly following the other lemmings off the cliff.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Hillary reserves the right to appeal and carry the drama all the way to Denver!

Part of me wants her to continue making a fool of herself; the other part wants her to just go away!

Hillary, the Queen of Spin and a Legend in Her Own Mind!

http://klintons.com

Posted by: Bob | May 31, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it's a great idea to Vote for McCain for President and vote Democratic for those running for Congress. The best scenario is having McCain as president and a filibuster-proof Democratic controlled Congress. That way the people can punish the DNC for partially disenfranchising voters from Florida and Michigan while knowing that the Democratic Congress will keep him in check and bring the troops home.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

How do we best word our campaign signs and bumper stickers?

Democratic Congress / McCain for President

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought Mr. Levin's presentation was excellent. The Michigan Democrats worked out a solution prior to the meeting today, presented it, and it was approved. I thought they handled this very professionally and with much forethought.

This is the essence of compromise, not a concept easily absorbed by many Clinton supporters. Also a good reason Hillary would have never been a good leader for our country - compromise and negotiation will be key to restoring our standing in the world community.

Posted by: Susan | May 31, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to the people of Florida and Michigan who also took time out of their busy lives to pull a level in our democracy. You are now second class citizens of the United States! May God help our party!

Posted by: gaypastor | May 31, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Oops! It's governor.

Posted by: newdem4life | May 31, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I recently turned of aged in time to vote in this coming years election. I had NO IDEA of the level of immaturity! I can't believe you people (especailly the Clinton supporters) will sabbotage the dem race because you're mad! WTF is wrong with you all. I agree with one of the posters who talked about the life and death situations that our troops faces every minute!

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND...CAUSE I DON'T!

One poster said something about Barack's experience...Well, what experience does hillary have? She's never been a vice president, a mayor, governer or CEO. What is wrong with you all? Our troops are depending on us! I have a few freinds that are ready to come home. They know that is war is oil. They feel cheated! It's their lives we MUST worry about not our feelings about a candidate.

I pray you so called EXPERIENCED voters grow up and get over yourselves.

I just don't believe this...I absolutely don't believe it!

Posted by: newdem4life | May 31, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

As can be seen, the Washington / New York Establishment, and the gang that got America to invade Iraq, are using every trick in the book to stay in power.

In order to prove that the people rule America, I suggest that Obama should have millions of his supporters converge on the convention, and bring political, economic, legal, and physical pressure to bear on the old gang that is so determined to stay in power.

Grab them by the pocket book, and their hearts and minds will follow.

Posted by: Tom Potter | May 31, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Tom Hynes!!!!!!

Posted by: Dems4Mac | May 31, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

two4two: By the way, why don't you ask your Muslim family members how they feel about American women not having to cover their hair and not having to coverup their bodies like Muslim women do. See how they feel. I bet they feel exactly as I expect them to feel, which would explain why I have had them stare at me and have seen muslim men in their turbins staring angrily at American women, some with their long, flowing hair hanging down.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

That's a GREAT idea!

VOTE all democrat for congress and McCain
for president.

That could allow congress to override McCain vetoes AND keep him in check.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

two4two: By the way, why don't you ask your Muslim family members how they feel about American women not having to cover their hair and not having to coverup their bodies like Muslim women do. See how they feel. I bet they feel exactly as I expect them to feel, which would explain why I have had muslim men in their turbins staring angrily at American women, some with their long, flowing hair hanging down.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

two4two:

And I don't give a crap what you think. Brack Osama and his supporters make me ashamed that he could get this far running for president with what little experience he has. We already went through with one President, George W. Bush, getting on-the-job training, do we really want to go down that path again? I think NOT!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Insearchoftrut:

The Republican pary is known is run with and support RACISTS! I guess that's okay as long as they're white racists.

To set the record straight. I said most of my family are muslims...I'm not! I as well as my parents are Christian. I don't give a crap about what western women wear becuase I am a western woman. Although Hillary and her supporters make me ashame to be a women.

Posted by: two4two | May 31, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

The Obama proposal for MI was rejected as well. How can this be "having things his way"?? He asked for a 50/50 split - and the committee rejected that also.

This argument between Obama and Clinton supporters is stupid.

Posted by: kgb999 | May 31, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Even if Hillary were to back Obama and support him, I still will not vote for him.

I will vote for McCain so that my protest to the DNC will be heard LOUD AND CLEAR!

Yet, I will not worry about a McCain presidency because I believe the Democrats will have their filibuster-proof majority in Congress.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Jessica,

You may be a realist- but you don't pay much attention to history or current events than. Texas is simply not in play- there is not a chance- it is wasted time to even go there- Ala, MS and LA have large black populations- people who will vote for Barak, but they have very small upper middle class educated white Dems- the rest of his demographic- that is not my opinion on the state- that is the facts. Barak's best chances of stripping red states are in VA, IA and perhaps CO. He, however is very likely to lose MI which makes up for VA and CO together. Another state that is a maybe is NM only because of Richardson's endorsement. He runs fairly poorly among Mexican-American voters otherwise so NV is pretty much out.

Apart from the rhetoric, let's look at who we are running against. He is popular among Latin voters- if you note that the McCain-Kennedy bill is the controversial right wing hated bill on immigration. He is popular among military and working class voters. He is popular among independents. Let's say Barak keeps his upperclass whites and AA backing. Even if he splits independents and the Latin vote evenly- the country is made up of more working class than anything else- the average American is more Rosanne than "Friends" or "Sex in the City". He really needs to figure out a way to compete in the midwest.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

two4two: When has Colin Powell said he is supporting Brack Obama? I don't recall hearing that. If it is true, then he must have believed Obama's lies about being a Christian or doesn't realize that he's attended a racist "christian" church for the past 20 years. He must not have heard that terrorist groups are endorsing Obama.

Tell me, if you are Muslim, then you probably hate the fact that western women do not cover their bodies more and normally don't cover their hair? Don't you hate the fact that we are allowed to practice any religion we choose instead of being forced to practice Islam? Don't you hate the fact that we have free speech and able to say that Islam is a false religion because it does not accept Jesus Christ as the son of God? I wonder. If Muslims following Islam had their wish, western women wouldn't have those freedoms and Americans wouldn't be able to freely practice whichever religion they want. If Muslims had their way, I probably wouldn't have free speech to express myself on here like I am doing now. Thank God Muslims haven't gotten their way so far!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

writing from south carolina, one of the most racist states in the union (not proud of this FACT). here to say that sc ALWAYS goes republican and it wont be any different this go around. not enough obama supporters here to beat mccain but there was enough to beat hillary in the primary. when it comes down to actually voting for the next president, whites, (legal) latinos, asians, catholics, southern babtists, native americans, elderly and the retired military folks will all vote for mccain. they will not set aside their "feelings" of old to try something new (obama). so dont count on sc to go blue. after what obama made known about florida (doesnt care about florida voters) dont count on them to turn bluse either.

Posted by: brenda from charleston sc | May 31, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

NO ... he .. CAN'T

We're mad as HELL ... and ..WE'RE ... NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE.

UNITY .. MY _ _ _

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Cry more Clintards.

Posted by: Ambrose | May 31, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Insearchofturth: EXCUSE ME! Most of my family are Muslims and they as I am are very much aware of the political game. Believe me if Barack was a radical muslim...running the US will NOT be on his agenda! Aparently, YOU have no idea as to what YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! You're just going running your mouth off that foolish garbage put out by the Clintons and the Republicans. Get a life and STOP spreading lies!

Also, Colin Powell supports Barack! Again, get a life and STOP SPREADING LIES!

Posted by: two4two | May 31, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Ind. -

Your message to "Dear angry women" is insincere because you neglect the fact that the Democrats will have their filibuster-proof majority in Congress effectively making a McCain presidency weak. If McCain wants to appoint Alito and Roberts-like justices, then the Democrats will vote them down. If McCain vetoes progressive legislation that Democrats pass, guess what? The Democrats will override his vetoes.

Please quit engaging in your fear-mongering in the hopes of getting Clinton supporters and "angry women" to vote for Obama. It's not going to work.

The DNC and its RBC have to be taught a lesson. They must be punished. Clinton supporters need to register a protest vote by voting for McCain without worrying that McCain will hurt their right to choose, when the troops will come home from Iraq, or the economy. With a filibuster-proof Democratic majority, the Democrats can practically run the government without McCain.

Vote for McCain and let the DNC hear your protests LOUD AND CLEAR!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Counting the popular vote does matter too. And now that MI and Florida have been ruled upon, the popular vote swings Clinton's way. Obama can take the delegates but there will be substantial numbers of Clinton supports that will never vote for Obama. I am one of them.

Posted by: Frances Schreiner | May 31, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I am convinced that the decision to penalize Florida and Michigan will result in the defeat of the party's nominee in November. Florida and Michigan (collectively) account for 9% of Americans and more than 8% of Democratic delegates.

Michigan and Florida legislators may have broken the rules by scheduling their primaries early, but the voters did not break any rules, and the voters shouldn't have been penalized because of the acts of their state legislatures and/or governors. To take the voice away from this large part of the electorate because of the boneheaded decisions of legislatures is a slap in the face of popular sovereignty.

When voting, my major allegiance is to my country. And with no more experience than Sen. Obama has, I'd be extremely frightened if he became President. As a life-long Democrat, I'll be joining the growing number of Democrats for McCain after today. McCain's positions are clear, and I have no concerns that he has divisive, racist attitudes.

Posted by: wcowan | May 31, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

What Obama wants Obama gets. That's the message from the DNC today, and it's a message that gives me no choice but to change my party affiliation to Independent. The DNC DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to give one candidate's delegates to another, period.

This debacle today was thoroughly anti-democracy.

The Republican party has won Operation Chaos. Why? Because of the combination of TV-mesmerized and educationally dumbed-down consumers and leftist authoritarian so-called progressives. Fascists are either far-right or far-left freakazoids and, if they have to in order to stay in power, the neo-cons will support Obama... as they have done until they were nearly certain that Obama would get the nomination. Very soon we will see them in earnest begin to tear Obama down with the facts that the MSM has kept hidden.

The Democratic Party has been effectively hijacked.

Posted by: A.L.L. | May 31, 2008 10:07 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Clinton signed a pledge not to campaign in Michigan. Obama removed his name from the ballot honoring the DNC's ruling. Clinton did not. The AUDACITY of going back on her own agreement and inciting anger is ABSURD, POINTLESS, and DISHONORABLE in the EXTREME.

Anyone who blindly buys into Clinton's political BS are like brainless baby birds waiting for the next meal to be vomited into their helpless little mouths... because they CAN NOT THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

Obama 08. The Educated Class Has Spoken.

Posted by: Clinton, the pledge-breaker | May 31, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Leon, but I, too am a realist! I just believe that he (Barack) can take those states. Have you taken in to consideration of the new registered voter base. This is our year. Also, I'm really tired of Hillary supporters with all of their b/s! Frankly I don't believe most who are making those statements really are a part of the dem party. Also he lost TX only by 4points to Hillary. I will concede TN, but I do believe with new, registered dems...TN, MS, LA & AL are in play. But thanks for your concern. Barack 2008

Posted by: Jessica | May 31, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Dear angry women. Please keep insulting Obama that way we can all learn to use coat hangers and keep watching our sons die in Iraq and soon Iran. To oppose Obama at this point is nothing but self punishment. If you respect a womans right to chose you must support Obama. If you think this war is bad you must support Obama. If you care about the economy you must support Obama otherwise you are supporting MCCain who said "I don't know much about the economy."

Posted by: Ind. | May 31, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

two4two - I'm not a racist. If I were a racist, I would never consider voting for an experienced black (or hispanic, etc.) candidate such as Colin Powell.

Unlike you though, I am concerned about our nation's security. And American will be harmed if we elect a Muslim to the presidency when Muslims oppose the Western views. Do you want to elect of Muslims to our government to the point that they take away freedom of religion and speech and force you to follow Islam or die?

You are just a naive kid who apparently doesn't understand how Muslims whom practice Islam really hate western values, or maybe you hate western values as well and are a fox in sheeps clothing.

Posted by: InSerachOfTruth | May 31, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Cillizza,

You stated above that the 69/59 Michigan delegate split approved by the RBC is closer to what the Obama people had asked for than what the Clinton people had asked for.

That is incorrect, as a simple review of the math will show. Clinton people asked for 73/55. Obama people asked for 64/64. The approved split is only a 4 point difference from the Clinton request for each candidate (73 minus 4 = 69, and 55 plus 4 = 59), while it is a 5 point difference from the Obama request for each candidate (64 plus 5 = 69, and 64 minus 5 = 59).

I hope you will correct this statement in the future. No need for inflaming the situation any more than it already is.

I applaud the RBC and the Michigan Democratic Party for their determined and fair-minded efforts in resolving this.

Posted by: Alice | May 31, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

WELL THIS IS WONDERFUL. THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO SHOW THE CHILDREN OF AMERICA THAT IF YOU BREAK THE RULES YOU STILL GET REWARDED FOR IT. ANYBODY WANT TO BREAK THE RULES.

Posted by: Veta Hemric | May 31, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

This party can't rule itself and it wants to rule the free world. It is so divided that it is really two parties. Its demographics, psychographics, and diverse ideology make it two parties. Why isn't it two parties or will it be? Read more at:
http://brokengovernment.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/is-a-major-third-party-around-the-corner/

Posted by: Ken Moyes | May 31, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Brack Obama FINALLY quit his church when he realized he could lose the election if he continued to be a member there. Funny how he's willing to quit the church NOW on a day when the news would get less coverage compared to the DNC RBC meeting and decision. I guess the guy doesn't need to go there anymore now that he's got the black vote in his pocket. The guy is willing to do anything to win, including having his DNC RBC friends to take votes from Hillary and give them to him!

Vote for McCain if Hillary doesn't run independent! We need to teach the DNC its RBC a lesson!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"Get out of the way if you can't lend a hand..."

We Obama supporters want the Clinton folks in the fall. Honestly, I really don't understand what they have against the guy - He's been much more decent to her and her supporters than the other way around. But, if y'all don't want to help the Democrats out, please at least don't vote McCain. I don't see how anybody who supports Clinton's (or Democrats') policies could ever want that guy to win.

Posted by: pa voter | May 31, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the DNC would rather have a non-practicing Islamic candidate, endorsed by Hamas and other Islamic groups/states. I guess the DNC just wants to push this down our throats, but we Clinton supporters will show them!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
First of all..What is wrong with being a Muslim? I can't believe America is still infested with RACIST like you...Oh, yeah, you're a Hillary supporter...Now, it makes sense! Nothing but a bunch of BIGOTS!

Posted by: two4two | May 31, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Now ... that I like millions of others are becoming a FORMER democrats, I would like you to join me in creating a new party that will elect a new generation of elected officials that will better represent us and adhere to ONE person ONE vote.

Don't get your hopes up. Not that many people are as stupid as you. Maybe you could be their candidate with all the great insight you seem to think you have.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Jessica,

I am a leftist, a lifelong Dem and a political geek- so that is where I am coming from when I say- wow- don't be naive- winning primaries of Dems only does not make you viable- LA? ALA? MS? TX? TN? Not competitive in even one of those- first of all look at polling numbers- he is distantly behind in all of them- secondly he lost TN and TX badly to Clinton. He didn't even compete in TN or AR. These states have large Republican majorities, if not in registration (based on the old solid Dem south before Johnson)-as seen by their senators- LA used to have some Democratic presence but then Bush flooded out the AA parts of NO and now it is a solidly Republican state- they just kicked out the Dem governor.

Look for realistic solutions- electorally Barak has some serious problems that we need to solve.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the DNC would rather have a non-practicing Islamic candidate, endorsed by Hamas and other Islamic groups/states.

Damn, he just resigned from the wrong church. Who is going to break the news to him?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the DNC would rather have a non-practicing Islamic candidate, endorsed by Hamas and other Islamic groups/states. I guess the DNC just wants to push this down our throats, but we Clinton supporters will show them!

When Brack Obama loses in November and the dumbfounded Obama supporters wonder what hit them, the DNC should remember that this is ALL THEIR FAULT!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Carmen. I've got several friends working it down south...THE RESPONSE IS WONDERFUL!!!!! I really gotta' feeling Barack is going to take AL, MS, TN & LA. I don't know about Arkansas. But, I don't care about that! If we take the above states Fl really wont matter should the old folks rally behind McCain and we don't win. However, Tx is in play as well. We're going to do this. I'm NOT moved by the McCain threats. There are SO many AA's that haven't voted becuase they NEVER felt their votes mattered until now. We're getting a lot of em' registerd. So let the oldies and so crazy young ones vote McCain. For every defect I hope to have two nubies...:) Welcome aboard Carmen. Hurry and start working NOW. We DON'T have MUCH TIME.

Posted by: Jessica | May 31, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't call 30s, "old ass." Brack Obama doesn't have all the 30 somethings supporting him.

Hillary Clinton '08!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary was lucky to get what she did. There was no reason to count any delegates from Michigan after such a botched primary up there. It was odd award del's to Obama no-questions-asked, but none should have counted.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | May 31, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

May 31st 2008 ... was the beginning of the end of America's democratic party.

Now ... that I like millions of others are becoming a FORMER democrats, I would like you to join me in creating a new party that will elect a new generation of elected officials that will better represent us and adhere to ONE person ONE vote.

MS. Clinton should not waste our time. If she does not become a candidate of a better
party, we will support and vote for another independent.

To those that will say good riddance .. let us see what you say after the first week in November when WE say GOOD RIDDANCE and we'll be back in two SHORT years to tare the rest of your cheating house down.

I hope that the independents secure

Posted by: American | May 31, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jessica, I'm with you and will hit up a lil' later. Why don't you post on the huffington post? Also on care2.com. These people here are CRAZY! Damn, and most of em' got kids. The very one (Harold Ikes) involved in making the rules is leading the way tear down the party just becuase he can't win the game of which HE set the rules. He's nothing the week ass excuse for a man! I'll spread the word in my neighborhood, at work and social gatherings. LET'S NOT LET THESE OLD ASS HILLARY SUPPORTERS STOP US FROM MOVING FORWARD! Let them be mad and vote McCain. We're NOT scared by it...We will only be motivated by it...BARACK OBAMA...YES WE CAN!

Posted by: Carmen | May 31, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

LiveFromNewYork: I'm with you 100% The DNC and its Rules Committee need to be taught a lesson. They need to know that it is NOT ok to disenfranchise, whether in part or entirely, the voters of both Michigan and Florida. They need to know that it is NOT ok for Brack Obama to violate rules by campaigning in Florida by airing "nation-wide" t.v. ads that aired in Florida. We need to punish the DNC and the RBC by voting for McCain while voting for Democrats for Congress!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

DAMN REAL LEON! I'm with you on that! Barack will take this Nation by STORM. My friends and I are TIRED as HELL of the thinking of some of our parents and God knows our grandparents! It's time that we take things in our own hands and take charge of the situation! You would think these 40, 50, 60 year old asses had sense, but as we saw today...NOT! I'm ready to leave em' behind. Especially Hillary, Geroldine, Bill and who ever else makes the decision to damage the democratic party! I'M SICK AND TIRED OF EM'!

I've got an idea for campaign: BARAK ACROSS AMERICA! Anyone interested in joining me hit me at barack2012@yahoo.com

LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN...YES WE CAN!

Posted by: Jessica | May 31, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"I will hold my nose and pull the primary lever for the Manchurian candidate John McCain"

I think we have to do it. The DNC needs to know that they can't get away with this kind of hanky panky. They've shoved a cult-hero candidate onto the ballot who is not electable for a thousand reasons, and we need to make sure that those responsible will never be in a position to do that again.

Posted by: LiveFromNewYork | May 31, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Bonnie - Don't worry, I will make my vote in opposition to the Bush years by voting Democrats for Congress. I will help them gain their filibuster-proof majority. However, I still intend to punish the DNC for how they have treated the voters of Florida and Michigan and how they (and the media) have been unfair to Clinton.

You want to call my bluff? Good. A McCain presidency will be far more mild with a filibuster-proof majority of Democrats controlling Congress and overriding every veto McCain casts. Thus, I will get my satisfaction for punishing the DNC for disenfranchising in part voters from Michigan and Florida!

Like you, I will be getting new voters to vote for McCain while voting for Democrats for Congress. Instead of worrying about my lens being through my legs, maybe you ought to think that is the lens you have. Apparently you think Obama has got something big between his legs and as a result want to vote for him. *insert dripping sarcasm* Good luck with that. [I'm so angry that I can't type "luck" in the right location... GRRRRR]

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes! Yes! Vote McCain!!! He's the right candidate; so much better than Hillary and she admits it. She said she knows McCain is ready and hopes that she is but Obama isn't!!

Vote McCain! Time to go back in Iraq and hunt Osama. Time to reverse the abortion rules! Time to put woman back where they should be!!!

Screw the feminist movement! We have enough. Vote McCain! He is president! The woman will not vote Obama and the men should vote McCain!

Posted by: VoteMcCain | May 31, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

"I guess this makes Hillary Clinton 2008's Ralph Nader."

Well, no. It makes Barack Obama 2008's George W. Bush.

Posted by: LiveFromNewYork | May 31, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Bonnie - Don't worry, I will make my vote in opposition to the Bush years by voting Democrats for Congress. I will help them gain their filibuster-proof majority. However, I still intend to punish the DNC for how they have treated the voters of Florida and Michigan and how they (and the media) have been unfair to Clinton.

You want to call my bluff? Good. A McCain presidency will be far more mild with a filibuster-proof majority of Democrats controlling Congress and overriding every veto McCain casts. Thus, I will get my satisfaction for punishing the DNC for disenfranchising in part voters from Michigan and Florida!

Like you, I will be getting new voters to vote for McCain while voting for Democrats for Congress. Instead of worrying about my lens being through my legs, maybe you ought to think that is the lens you have. Apparently you think Obama has got something big between his legs and as a result want to vote for him. *insert dripping sarcasm* Good with luck that.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

What did George Orwell say in "Animal Farm" ..."All Animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".. so it begins the Party the wanted to count every vote and every hanging chad... is now the party of disenfranchisement... John Dean can change his name to George Wallace another Democrat who stood in the doorway.. I will hold my nose and pull the primary lever for the Manchurian candidate John McCain

Posted by: Chuck Rogers | May 31, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Bonnie - Don't worry, I will make my vote in opposition to the Bush years by voting Democrats for Congress. I will help them gain their filibuster-proof majority. However, I still intend to punish the DNC for how they have treated the voters of Florida and Michigan and how they (and the media) have been unfair to Clinton.

You want to call my bluff? Good. A McCain presidency will be far more mild with a filibuster-proof majority of Democrats controlling Congress and overriding every veto McCain casts. Thus, I will get my satisfaction for punishing the DNC for disenfranchising in part voters from Michigan and Florida!

Like you, I will be getting new voters to vote for McCain while voting for Democrats for Congress. Instead of worrying about my lens being through my legs, maybe you ought to think that is the lens you have. Apparently you think Obama has got something big between his legs and as a result want to vote for him. *insert dripping sarcasm* Good with that.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

All of this bluster about voting for Mccain is silly. No one in our party wants another 4 years of Bush, this war, and another president who wipes himself on our constitution.

November is a long way off in our terms, and the winner will be Obama.

Posted by: jeffp | May 31, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I guess this makes Hillary Clinton 2008's Ralph Nader.

Posted by: John Burt | May 31, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters...Go ahead and protest and vote McCain...Who in the HELL CARES! Believe this one thing. Barack will carry the south. Young, old, middle-aged, black, white, bi-racial, hispanic...etc are STANDING UP FOR CHANGE! So all you old folks go ahead and remain behind the move becuase we're moving to change this America. We WILL change the face of the Democartic party. We will take states that once belonged to the republicans...And that's okay if that includes you and other of Hillary's supporters. We wil bring our soldiers home. We will start to unite this America. We will push this America towards its destiny! WE WILL DO IT...WITH OR WITHOUT HILLARY'S CREW!

Get over it and get on board. Or simple get left behind!

Posted by: Leon | May 31, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Jill...Why don't you just vote republican and STFU!

Yougn, white, educated, female...OBAMA SUPPORTER!

Posted by: Sandy | May 31, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Peter Zenger - I'm not getting over it. I'm getting even by making my protest vote for McCain if Hillary doesn't run as an independent or takes this fight to the convention.

The only reason why Brack Obama has more delegates is because for some insane reason, the smaller caucus states got more delegates than the larger primary states that Hillary won. This nomination process has not been fair at all along with the fact that the majority of the DNC RBC and the media have been in Brack Obama's back pocket for some time!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Tom Hynes, a Brack Obama supporter, says this is a fair decision? What a liar! This is theft and the partial disenfranchisement of voters. This is worse than the Blacks only getting 2/3 of a vote long ago before they were recognized as getting a full vote. The DNC RBC is in effect saying that the voters of Michigan and Florida are worth less than the votes that blacks got before they were recognized as getting a full vote.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

dear in search of, you have found me.here it is you dumb,racist,sore-losin, sob. thats the truth.

Posted by: the truth | May 31, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

What Obama wants Obama gets. That's the message from the DNC today, and it's a message that gives me no choice but to change my arty affiliation to Independent. The DNC DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to give one candidate's delegates to another, period.

This debacle today was thoroughly anti-democracy.

The Republican party has won Operation Chaos. Why? Because of the combination of TV-mesmerized and educationally dumbed-down consumers and leftist authoritarian so-called progressives. Fascists are either far-right or far-left freakazoids and, if they have to in order to stay in power, the neo-cons will support Obama... as they have done until they were nearly certain that Obama would get the nomination. Very soon we will see them in earnest begin to tear Obama down with the facts that the MSM has kept hidden.

The Democratic Party has been effectively hijacked.

Posted by: A.L.L. | May 31, 2008 10:07 PM

Posted by: A.L.L. | May 31, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Harold Ickes is absolutely right. The DNC RBC hijacked or STOLE four delegates from Hillary Clinton in order to give them to Barack Obama. I hope Hillary takes this to the credentials committee along with the decision with regards to Florida. I also hope she takes the fight to the convention or decides to run as an Independent third party otherwise I'm voting for McCain as a protest vote to rebuke the Democratic Party and the DNC RBC.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I have observed the lack a clear 2 party system since Reagan took office, I am certain that many will take the Joe Lieberman road to the dark side.... The Democrats will emerge a house cleansed of Wallstreet special interest PACS (poltergeists) and ready to see the USA in the 21st Century.

Politics should be long to the Democracy and not the well oiled back rooms of law firms and think tanks.

Posted by: Judith | May 31, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

It should be clear that a vote for John McCain is a vote for the continuation of the policies of the Bush administration. I guess those Dems who will vote this way, because their feeling are hurt, really profited from the Bush years and would like to see a continuation. For me,the idea of seeing more young men and women die in Iraq, the economy continuing to decline and the constitution being destroyed by power hungry leaders, is enough to make me vote for anyone who is not a Republican. So, if you like your life the way it is, vote for McCain, but you lose your right to complain in the future! From and older and wiser white woman.

Posted by: Barbara | May 31, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

May 31st 2008 ... was the beginning of the end of America's democratic party.

Now ... that I like millions of others are becoming a FORMER democrats, I would like you to join me in creating a new party
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First this stuff was amusing. Now its down right annoying. She was a good candidate but was edged out by what others thought was a better candidate. Have you ever seen that happen before? Duh??

Had Hillary lost to McCain by a point or two would ya'all be ready to go psycho on the country like you drama queens are doing now?

Get over it. If you don't like Obama, then don't vote for him.

In the meantime STFU!!!!

Posted by: Bob | May 31, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you can sell your Hillary T-shirts on ebay.

I wouldn't call 30s, "old ass." Brack Obama doesn't have all the 30 somethings supporting him.

Hillary Clinton '08!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 9:52 PM

Posted by: voter | May 31, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, Bill, Harold Ickes, Jim Carvel and all the other Clinton supporters can all move down to Puerto Rico where they can establish the "Sore Looser Party". Most people are disgusted by their "do anything to win" tactics - so f the can't win it will not be a surprise to see them do the next best thing. Create their own little South American Dictatorship where all of the Clintonites can tell lies and make up the rules as you go along. All of these people who are threatening to vote republican if they can't have Hillary for President, can bend down and kiss the Clinton's infamous ring if they like. The rest of us are moving forward with changing the country - Getting rid of the Clintons is the best thing that can happen to the Democratic Party.

Posted by: DJ | May 31, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

If she had been allowed all the delegates that she wanted, it still would not have been enough to put here in the lead. What we have here is idiots on the Hillary team.

You are now irrelevant. Vote the way you want. Nobody will miss you.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary supporters...Go ahead and protest and vote McCain...Who in the HELL CARES!"

I imagine that you'll care on election night when Obama loses in an historic landslide. And it will be *your* fault.

Posted by: LiveFromNewYork | May 31, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

It was enlightening to watch actual, real debate on policy and rules today. It was equally enlightening to watch the horrid behavior of many of the Clinton supporters after the committee made their difficult decision. The votes are counted. The delegates are halved. The system isn't perfect, but it is good, as Alice said. For all Clinton supporters who are threatening to vote for McCain (InSearchofTruth included)--I call your bluff. Your actions today do not lend credence to your candidate's ability to lead this country. Remember, we are Americans, citizens of the world. I hope that one day you will learn to see through a lens other than the one between your legs. It is unfortunate that you have been led upon this path by Clinton Ickes and the rest. Grow your own minds. America could use your passion. Even Clinton supporters on the panel acknowledged the need for unity. If you can't understand the quality of your voice, and the important use you could give it by speaking out against 4 more years of failed Bush policy...so be it. I for one, am off to register new, involved, engaged, and thoughtful voters.

Posted by: Bonnie | May 31, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

HOW IN THE HELL THE HAROLD IKES SPEWS SUCH B.S WITH AT STRAIGHT FACE.

Let's see:
It was Harold Ikes who HELP write these rules and voted to put them in motion, i.e. OKAY TO EXCLUDE FL&MI.

WHAT THE HELL!!!!

Okay, let ALL of Hillary's female voters help put McCain in office...Last laugh WILL BE ON YA'LL...ALL IN YOUR FACE! Pleae don't waste your time telling us how McCain will get your vote!

YOU ALL ARE NOTHING BUT MURDERERS LIKE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! Go ahead and KILL our young men and women because you're mad!

IGNORANCE is NOT the best policy!

Posted by: x4faith | May 31, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Not fair. Not fair at all. Take it to the convention, Hillary! Harold, I love ya!

Posted by: JULIE | May 31, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

She is down by 175 delegates! Four more does not make a difference. Get over it.

Posted by: Peter Zenger | May 31, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

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