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Obama Again Apologizes for a Preacher

By Krissah Williams
Sen. Barack Obama was forced today to answer again for a preacher at his place of worship, the Trinity United Church of Christ. This time, it was Father Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina in Chicago and a well-known activist Catholic priest in the city.

From the pulpit at Trinity last Sunday, Pfleger, who is white, spoke about white supremacy. His remarks were captured on video and today an except from them began to circulate online in a YouTube video (above).

"Don't hold me responsible for what my ancestors did, but you have enjoyed the benefits of what your ancestors did," Pfleger said in the video. "Unless you are willing to give up the benefits you must be responsible for what was done in your ancestors' generation. We must be honest enough to expose white entitlement and supremacy wherever it raises his head. ... When Hillary was crying, people said that was put on. I really don't believe it was put on. I really believe she just always thought, 'This is mine. I'm Bill's wife. I'm white and this is mine! I just got to get up, and step up to the plate.' Then out of nowhere came Barack Obama!"

Pfleger feigned tears, continuing: "'I'm white, I'm entitled, there's a black man stealing my show.' She wasn't the only one crying. There were a whole lot of white people crying. ... I'm sorry, I don't want to get you in anymore trouble."

Obama released a statement this afternoon saying he was "deeply disappointed" in Father Pfleger.

"As I have traveled this country, I've been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger's divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause," Obama said in a statement first posted by the Chicago Sun Times.

Pfleger issued this response: "I regret the words I chose on Sunday. These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama's life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them."

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We finally had a chance to judge a black presidential candidate, by record and character, and not the content of his skin, and we failed.
If you compare his legislative record to Hillary's, it's no better, except that he missed more votes, especially when they seemed controversial. That just makes him sees more of a a coward or slacker than Hillary, so it can't be his record.
It can't be his history, because his own books start with the preemptive caveat that they are fictionalized.
It can't be his company, because he stands in the middle of hooting racists, from Wright to Farikon to his wife. No, it can't be that.
It can't be his new politic values, since he got his Chicago seat by playing old "Chicago politics", using legal tactics to take away the voter's other choices at the last minute.
It can't be because he's different, because these things make him no different. It does not make him worse than any other though, so I'll give him that.
Is it because he's black, handsome and can work a crowd? Maybe our country just feels rightfully guilty, but blind, empty chanting and rallying doesn't like the right answer either. He's made it clear he will not discuss economic exploitation or geopolitical resource positioning with us, since they don't exist. There's no black or white, we're all just Americans, and we'll think things are fixed, he will invade countries for oil still, and we will feel informed while we spread freedom across the globe. If this is our answer, we deserve what we get.

Posted by: james | June 3, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Telling the truth is hate?
Has the fascism started already?
I hate nobody, but hate many things, and I love much too.
I fear for this country when being black is good enough reason to be president, but you can't mention the baggage that goes along with this particular set of candidates, or you're racist, regardless of what color you are yourself.

Posted by: Kool Aid Krispy | June 3, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Kool-aid Krispy stop the HATE!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 3, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

If you can't see through it, nobody can make you.
Goood luck.

Posted by: koolaid krispy to you | June 3, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I honestly believe it's just time for a change. There has never been a Black President and that is unfair. Sometimes it is time for a change and everyone has to have an opportunity regardless of his or her race. I support Obama and I believe he is an overall a better person and a better candidate than Hillary. He has never tried not once to make her look bad, and she did all that she could to put him down. It's time for a change and for racism to end. Obama will bring unity and peace in a country that kept racism and discrimination going for over 800 YEARS. It's just time.......... My vote will be for Obama in the fall.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 3, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you can judge a man solely on the church one has attended. I have attended a church and did not agree with everything my preacher had to say. Also, I don't believe that this preacher has been teaching hate for the past twenty years. If you look at some of his accomplisments, this church has done alot of good for it's community as well as world wide. Plus, Hillary has a preacher that preaches against gays, how come you don't hear about that??

Posted by: Anonymous | June 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Princeton originally had the thesis blocked from public viewing until after the election, at the author's request. It was re-released by Obama's campaign though, and those quotes don't appear or are buried pretty good. Either way, she does come off as pretty angry and racist, and you do have to question someone's character by the people surrounding them. I wonder what him and reverand decided his campaign should be about, when they prayed on it and he got the reverand's blessing. It can't be what he is saying now, because I just can't see Wright endorsing it in the first place unless he changed his story.

Posted by: sad | June 3, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary is being a bit gentle about the race issue.

This has only been public info for a couple months, but his wife clearlty stated that all whites in America were "ineradicably racist", and further vowed to use all her present AND FUTURE resource to promote first and foremost, the causes of blacks. There are some good points to this, but it is racist to call all whites racist. Copies are circulating, but Princeton will not make the "official" version publiclly published until after the election.

Also, I don't think the Republicans will be too nice about this one, nor should they be, since this is America, and we should deal with it, after all.

1 link: http://nathanjmorton.wordpress.com/2008/03/18/fw-michelle-obamas-militant-racism-revealed/

2 link: http://yourthreecents.com/blogs/?id=476

Posted by: Being Nice | June 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Yes, it's a sick, horrible game of winning the media moguls over sometimes. I am not being racist, please trust that. I agree that it sucks to be profiled when you know others are getting away because of the distraction. A lot of things suck, and if I could trust Obama, I would. He's made too many mutually exclusive promises for me to stick by and see who he's really planning to betray. I stick firm that a charismatic, fascist, closet militant of any color is the last thing America needs to bring it together in the long run.

Posted by: james | June 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

YOU ARE RIGHT. THE MEDIA WAS VERY BIASED DURING 911. BUT IN THIS CASE, THE MEDIA IS PRO-CLINTON, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE CRAZY ABOUT HER IT'S BECAUSE OBAMA IS BLACK. SOME PEOPLE ARE EXCITED TO SEE A BLACK PRESIDENT. BUT LET'S BE HONEST HERE, THERE ARE STILL A WHOLE LOT PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT CAN NOT STAND THE THOUGHT OF A BLACK PRESIDENT. I WOULD HAVE CAST MY VOTE FOR HILLARY BEFORE HER AND BILL MADE IT ABOUT RACE. I LOST RESPECT FOR THEM AFTER THAT. I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE BETTER THAN THAT.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

YOU ARE RIGHT. THE MEDIA WAS VERY BIASED DURING 911. BUT IN THIS CASE, THE MEDIA IS PRO-CLINTON, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE CRAZY ABOUT HER IT'S BECAUSE OBAMA IS BLACK. SOME PEOPLE ARE EXCITED TO SEE A BLACK PRESIDENT. BUT LET'S BE HONEST HERE, THERE ARE STILL A WHOLE LOT PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT CAN NOT STAND THE THOUGHT OF A BLACK PRESIDENT. I WOULD HAVE CAST MY VOTE FOR HILLARY BEFORE HER AND BILL MADE IT ABOUT RACE. I LOST RESPECT FOR THEM AFTER THAT. I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE BETTER THAN THAT.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IAM SPEAKING OF THE LACK OF MEDIA TOWARDS HILLARY REGARDING LYING ABOUT BOSNIA, RACIST REMARKS, AND EVEN ANSWERING A FEW QUESTIONS REGARDING REV. WRIGHT. THE MEDIA HAS BEEN VERY BIASED. IT'S NOT A MATTER OF OPIONION IT IS A FACT. IAM ALSO REFERRING TO PEOPLE WHO ONLY POINT OUT BAD STUFF ABOUT OBAMA AND THEY SAY NOTHING BAD ABOUT HILLARY. IAM JUST ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO BE HONEST AND FAIR AND DON'T ALLOW RACISM TO BE A FACTOR IN THEIR 'S OPINIIONS REGARDING OBAMA. FURTHER MORE OBAMA CAN NOT CONTROL WHAT COMES OUT ANOTHER ADULT'S MOUTH. HE IS NOT ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO SAY. SO PLEASE STOP JUDGING HIM SO HARSHLY FOR THINGS HE DID NOT SAY. HILLARY AND BILL BOTH HAVE SAID RACIST REMARKS TOWARDS AFRICAN AMERICANS OUT OF THEIR OWN MOUTHS!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 2, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I see. I understand, the media is very biased, and it can be very upsetting what is mentioned and ommitted at times. Remember 911 and the whole Bush election? A few people took it upon themselves to decide what Americans had a right to know.

Posted by: james | June 2, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I AM NOT ASKING FOR EVERYONE TO LIKE OR VOTE FOR OBAMA. BUT PLEASE BE FAIR AND HONEST WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HILLAY. HILLARY AS WELL AS HER CAMPAIGHN HAVE MADE RACE AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN. WELL, AS LEAST NOT FROM HIS OPPONENT NOR THE MEDIA. THIS IS WHY SOCIETY AND RACISM NEVER CHANGES. EVERYONE DOES NOT GET UPSET WHEN RACIST REMARKS ARE MADE. THEY ONLY LOOK AT WHAT THE MEDIA REPEATEDLY AIR EVEN IF IT IS BIAS.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 2, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I think you have some very bitter issues. Did you ever hear the story about taking the beam out of your own eye before you can help others with a mote? Race is a huge part of this, as it's been said over and over how cool it would be if a Black person could be president of America. Unfortunately, a good speaking, fascist, closet militant, will only make things worse for many. We'll feel good about going "new fascist" for a little bit, and then pay the price.

Posted by: james | June 2, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

MY POINT IS THIS, THE MEDIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN PRO-CLINTON FROM THE START. (ONLY BECAUSE SHE HAD THE DESIRED SKIN COLOR THEY WANT AS PRESIDENT, NOT BECAUSE THEY REALLY LIKE HER) IF OBAMA WOULD HAVE LIED REGARDING BOSNIA IT WOULD HAVE BEEN STATED A LIE, NOT A MISREMEBERING. IN ADDITION, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PLAYED OVER AND OVER AND OVER ON CNN FOREVER. DID THAT HAPPEN FOR HILLARY, NO, SHE GOT A SLAP ON THE WRIST AND IT WAS PLAYED SEVERAL TIMES BUT THEN NEVER HEARD OF AGAIN. IF THE MEDIA WAS FAIR THEN HILLARY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE TO ANSWER FOR REV. WRIGHT COUNSELING BILL DURING THE LEWINSKY AREA. WHY IS THIS NEVER DISCUSSED??? BECAUSE THE MEDIA IS PRO-HILLARY, THEY WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO MAKE OBAMA LOOK BAD SO PEOPLE WON'T LIKE HIM. TRUTH BE TOLD HE HAS A BETTER PERSON THAN HILLARY AND THAT DON'T TAKE MUCH TO ACCOMPLISH. BILL HAS DIRECTLY AS WELL AS HILLARY HAVE USED RACIST REMARKS TOWARDS AFRICAN AMERICANS AND THEY RECEIVE A SLAP ON THE WRIST FROM THE MEDIA. WHY IS THIS?? DOES IT NOT MATTER THAT IN THE BEGINNING BILL JOKES ABOUT HOW ABOUT WOULD NOT GO VERY FAR BY COMPARING HIM TO JESSES JACKSON. DID HILLARY NOT TALK ABOUT THE HARD WORKING WHITE BLUE COLLARD WORKERS?? THE RACE CARD SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN PLAYED. DO YOU SEE OR HEAR THE MEDIA EXTENSIVELY COVERING THIS??? OF COURSE NOT!!!! BUT THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO AFRICAN AMERICANS AND THEY SHOULD BE JUST AS IMPORTANT AND OFFENSIVE TO WHITE AMERICANS. I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING REV. WRIGHT HAD TO SAY, BUT LESS NOT OVERLOOK OR BELITTLE WHAT HILLARY AND HER CAMPAIGHN HAS BEEN QUOTED MANY TIMES USING THE RACE CARD. RACE SHOULD HAVE NEVER, NEVER BEEN A FACTOR IN THIS ELECTION. IT IS UNFAIR AND IT'S UNJUSTICE TO JUDGE WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE WOULD BE A GOOD CANDIDATE BASED ON THE COLOR OF HIS OR HER SKIN!!!!!!!! SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL HILLARY AND BILL THAT. THIS IS FROM SOMEONE WHO USE TO BE A HILLARY AND A BILL'S FAN. ALSO, WHY DID HILLARY NOT FIRED GERALDINE FORD FOR HER RACIST REMARKS?? WHEN OBAMA FIRED HIS AIDE RIGHT AWAY WHEN SHE REFERRED TO HILLARY AS A MONSTER?????????

Posted by: Anonymous | June 2, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

your point?
Are you saying that Hillary is worse than Obama somehow, because a questionable figure, who is Obama's spiritual mentor of 20 years, counciled Bill once during a scandel?

Posted by: james | June 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW.........REV. WRIGHT COUNSELED BILL CLINTON DURING THE MONICA LEWINSKY SCANDAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE GOOGLE THIS. HOW COME THIS LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION DID NOT COME OUT??? NOW WHO SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF WHAT????????? COME AGAIN?????

Posted by: Anonymous | June 2, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

If Obama is actually the nominee, the lesser of 2 evils may be McCain. I don't hate Obama, but I cannot trust him because it seems like he tells everyone what they want to hear. It is scary to see people chanting like a church surmon, to a good speech giver. He's smart, but his story does not add up at all, in places that really, really count. "I'm for progressive change, and choice for Americans but I'll use legal tacticts to nitpick away voter choices. America needs to be informed, but I sidestep our true economic geopolitical motivations, because they're not ready to be that informed. I'm against NAFTA (but not really). I've been running in angry, neo-Bapist(?), anti-military-industrial and anti-Jewish lobby circles, but now I think we should beef up the military more, and oh yea, of course I'll support Israel, etc, etc, etc."

I've never voted Republican before. I guess voting for Nader is better than not voting.

Posted by: lesser of evils | June 2, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Obama earmarked $200,000 not $200.

Two Hundred Thousand Dollars for this priest from Obama's earmarking it for him.

Posted by: Correction | June 2, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Obama earmarked $200 for this priest. This priest was on Obama's website as an advisor up until just a few hours ago. Obama had this guy go to his location with an all-expense-paid-trip for "his support".

Obama is doing what he always does. Manipulate the rules to bend to his benefit. Chicago Tricks - the "legal way" but the Democratic Way?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC_haR6uieA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeBYBrzuTEY

MUST SEE!

Posted by: The REAL OBAMA - the democratic way? | June 2, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

I think Hillary is much more transparent and would be a very good change for our country. If they both are going to be close to the same old party standard, I kind of like the one that is more obvious. Obama has so many faces I don't have a clue if he's really anti-Jew and just trying to get money and media support, or if he's pro-Israel and was just hiding it from his pack of the last 20 years. I don't want either to promote unjust wars while hiding true economic motivations. Unfortunately, it scares me when Obama talks about peace and holding hands into the future fully informed, while talking the same old game and skewing true motivations. Bigger promises = bigger disappointment in tis case, as his past has shown him no less a liar than the rest. How can I trust his campaign when he has no experience, no history worth mentioning, backtracks on his most loyal supporters as soon as they cost him in the polls, misses important votes if they're contraversial, and says he's so different than all the rest? He accepts "personal" donations instead, and makes many of the same party line choices, up until now at least, and he's supposed to be so different. How can you trust that?

Posted by: a | June 1, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

all caps really makes you make more sense, all right.
I did not say Hillary was not a liar, I said she is a liar I trust better, while Obama is a better liar.

Posted by: a | June 1, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS A LIAR? THEN WHAT IN THE HELL IS HILLARY. DID YOU FORGET ABOUT BOSNIA????? MISREMBERINGS.....MY A_ _!!! HOW DO ONE MISREMEBERED SOMETHING THAT NEVER HAPPENED????????????????????????????????? YOU PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH!! REV. WRIGHT COUNSELED BILL CLINTON DURING THE MONICAL LEWINSKY PERIOD.. YEAH THAT'S RIGHT HE WAS BILL'S SPIRITUAL ADVISOR JUST GOGGLE IT. YOU NAIVE PEOPLE WILL SEE HOW MUCH OF A TWO-FACED PERSON HILLARY REALLY IS. YOU OBAMA HATERS, DID YOU KNOW THAT?? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT I DIDN'T THINK SO AND GUESS WHAT HILLARY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT EITHER. SHE IS A LIAR. SHE WILL DO ANYTHING...SELL HER SOUL FOR THE POSITION.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS A LIAR? THEN WHAT IN THE HELL IS HILLARY. DID YOU FORGET ABOUT BOSNIA????? MISREMBERINGS.....MY A_ _!!! HOW DO ONE MISREMEBERED SOMETHING THAT NEVER HAPPENED????????????????????????????????? YOU PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH!! REV. WRIGHT COUNSELED BILL CLINTON DURING THE MONICAL LEWINSKY PERIOD.. YEAH THAT'S RIGHT HE WAS BILL'S SPIRITUAL ADVISOR JUST GOGGLE IT. YOU NAIVE PEOPLE WILL SEE HOW MUCH OF A TWO-FACED PERSON HILLARY REALLY IS. YOU OBAMA HATERS, DID YOU KNOW THAT?? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT I DIDN'T THINK SO AND GUESS WHAT HILLARY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT EITHER. SHE IS A LIAR. SHE WILL DO ANYTHING...SELL HER SOUL FOR THE POSITION.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

real change -
Real change in American would be NOT to vote for media manufactured sensations. Obama's talk has already showed his past or present to be a lie, so which is it? He better not be so dumb as to just not have known for years what Wright, Farikon, and others in the circle he's been running are really about, especially when he talks about a new age of enlightenment.
At least Hillary's an honest liar of sorts, that we know what we are getting.
I agree with her cocky remark, about "what didn't you like about the Clinton years"???
Some indescretions are more forgivable than others. I would rather have a manizer or womanizer represent me than a lying warmonger talking about peace or compassion.

Posted by: a | June 1, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama had this priest on his website,and just removed his name a few hours ago. He also has paid all expenses for him to come out and support him. Obama wanted his influence and used him, as stated on his website, as an advisor.

Another example of Obama "good" "experienced" judgement.

Obama has had his use of this priest. New politics? Chicago politics!

Posted by: The truth | June 1, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama used this church.

Obama used these people.

Obama uses lawyers to bend the rules to his benefit.

Just like he did in IL to be the only Dem on the ballot.

Just like he did in MI to take his name off the ballot with his lawyers work.

Just like he did in MI & FL with his lawyers help to stop a revote when Carville, Rendell, and one other said they would completely pay for.

Just like he did yesterday by getting credit for MI even though he wasn't even on the ballot.

POLITICS huh? Obama's way. Obama's manipulation.

Posted by: Not this guy, please! | June 1, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his camp said today that they were waiting for the opportunity to leave this church.

This was his excuse.

Posted by: NOT OBAMA | June 1, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT IAM READING!!!! OBAMA IS NOT MARRIED TO THE PEOPLE AT THE CHURCH OF TRINITY. THE CATHOLIC PREACHER TOLD THE TRUTH!!!!! NOW THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT REFLECTS OBAMA'S VIEWS. THE CHURCH AND HIM ARE NOT ONE!!???? STOP TRYING TO JUDGE THE MAN BASED OFF OF WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAID. GROW UP PEOPLE!!! DON'T BLAME HIM HE DID NOT SAY THOSE THINGS. ALTHOUGH IT IS VERY EVIDENT THAT HILLARY AND BILL HAS PLAYED THE RACE CARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WHAT DID BILL MEAN WHEN HE SAID THAT JESSE JACKSON WON SOUTH CAROLINA AND COMPARING HIM TO OBAMA???? HOW RACIST WAS THAT?? HOW COME GERADINE FORD WAS NOT FIRED RIGHT AWAY WHEN SHE PLAYED THE RACE CARD SAYING THAT OBAMA HAD THE ADVANTAGE BECAUSE HE IS BLACK?? NO, SHE WAS ALLOWED TO RESIGN. HOWEVER, WHEN THE LADY FROM OBAMA'S CAMPAIGHN CALLED HILLARY A MONSTER, OBAMA FIRED HER RIGHT AWAY!!!! WHAT DID MS. FORD MEAN THAT BEING BLACK IS SOME HOW AN ADVANTAGE?? HAS SHE EVEN BEEN BLACK BECAUSE I CAN DEFINTELY TELL HER THAT IT IS NOT..... USUALLY BEING BLACK IS A DISADVANTAGE. COME ON PEOPLE WE NEED TO HONEST ABOUT HILLARY. SHE IS A MONSTER. SHE HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT A SORE LOSER IN THIS ELECTION. OBAMA HAS NOT DISRESPECTED ANYONE. I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING MY MINISTER SAYS IN CHURCH, BECAUSE WE ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. I AGREE WITH SOME THINGS, BUT NOT ALL. I AM CERTAIN IF PEOPLE WERE MORE HONEST ABOUT THEIR OWN PREACHERS PROBABLY HAVE SAID THINGS THAT EVERYONE DID NOT AGREE WITH. DOES THAT MEAN YOU AND YOUR PREACHER SHARE THE EXACT VIEWS ON EVERYTHING??? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT I DID'T THINK SO. DON'T DISRESPECT MY MAN OBAMA FOR BEING A DECENT MAN WHO COULD HAVE GAVE HILLARY A HARD TIME ON SOME OF HER RACIST REMARKS, BUT HE DIDN'T. HER NASTINESS DID NOT CAUSE HIM TO BE UGLY. NOW THAT IS A UNIQUE QUALITY THAT EVEN THE BEST OF US LACK. MOST OF US WOULD HAVE TOLD HILLARY WHERE SHE COULD PUT HER RACIST REMARKS. HOW CAN ANYONE POINT THE FINGER AT OBAMA FOR SOMETHING HE DID NOT SAY??? GROW UP PEOPLE AND ADMIT THAT MOST OF YOU THAT HAVE SOMETHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT OBAMA IT IS A 90% CHANCE U ARE SAYING IT BECAUSE HE IS A BLACK, PROUD, INTELLIGENT MAN THAT IS MORE THAN CAPABLE OF RUNNING AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! DO ANY OF YOU KNOW THAT HE GAVE UP HIGH PAYING SALARIES TO WORK IN THE POOREST AREAS OF CHICAGO?? PLEASE GAIN KNOWLEDGE BEFORE PUTTING THE MAN DOWN BECAUSE OF SOMEONE HE KNOWS SAYS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY THE TRUTH ABOUT HILLARY. THANK YOU.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

When the media treats a candidate like an American Idol star and fails to examine who they really are we get candidates like Barack Obama. Once again, he is associated with a religious leader who attacks not just Hillary, but every woman, and millions of good Americans who embrace equality for all. Who is Barack Obama really if these are his advisers and supporters? Where and how one worships is a reflection of what they believe. What does he really stand for? As a democrat who thought we could win in November, I am now more worried than ever before.
Shame on Barack Obama, and shame on the media for failing to vet a national candidate.

Posted by: Mary Foley, RN | May 31, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

It's truly amazing that a senator who hasn't even served one full term (with basically no track record) can have so much support.

What has he actually achieved so far?

The media acts like he's a god or something.

This "Obamamania" is sheer lunacy.

Barack Obama must be stopped.

Posted by: stopobama | May 31, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

No, these weren't Obama's words, but they are his fellow congregants, and that is his church for 20 years.

Posted by: truth | May 31, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is a media-manufactured "phenomenon".

The media is absolutely hell-bent on making him look as good as possible regardless of the truth.

Posted by: stopobama | May 31, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

This stuff about Obama not being responsible for others' comments is insane. These (Wright, Pfleger) have been close to Obama for many years. The idea that he suddenly got an epiphany and doesn't agree with them simply does not pass the smell test.

Posted by: pucci | May 31, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The fact is, this IS Obama's church for 20 years.

Posted by: Bryan | May 31, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Ruby Bailey- All WET! There is no way anyone, including Obama's non inspiring apology, that you can erase the seering image of church members in a Christian Church hooting, hollering and clapping over sexist, racist, hate filled remarks. I cannot get the image out of my mind of Barack and especially Michelle, also hooting, hollering and clapping over similar remarks in the past. Just view Michelle sounding like she is on Jerry Springer smugly putting Hillary down for Bill's infidelities (classic anti woman argument of "blame the victim, not the abuser"). Her words were somewhat, "if Hillary can't manage her own house, how can she manage the White House?" Can you imagine this from a first lady? Remember the classic way Hillary handled this in the White House as the first lady. Big Contrast!

The point is - no one rationally thinks that Barack was not present at some time in the past for these tirades. He was there for 20 years! Ruby you get real! Take off your filters and really look at the all the mounting situations that reinforce that Barack accepted these words. He is a true politician in the worst way; he will say what is necessary to get elected! He proved that with his remarks to the Canadian government to "not listen to what I am saying about NAFTA publicly. I do not really think that. Don't bring up the point that his surrogate said it, not him. We all know that this surrogate represented him and to say otherwise reinforces that you still have your filtered glasses on.

By the way Georgieby - classic Obama tactic of deflection, The priest's comments were in Obama's church.

Ig - if you don't know why people are offended by the Priest's remarks, then I feel sorry for you. There is a whole level of awareness of cultures that you are missing - just one of the incredibly numereous facets - this man is a Catholic priest. The message of Jesus was "love and acceptance of people", not hate and use of cruel attempts at humor to dehumanize a major public servant.

Moxieme - The priest not supporting Obama? One fact, Obama earmarked $200,000 in federal funds to this Priest. Look for futher investigations of this.

Ig - News Flash Barack's use of "silly season" sounds like a pouting child. That again is his repeating strategy - call all negative remarks about him, silly, racist, noninformed, etc. etc. etc. etc. ... sickenly so. Only people who are wearing the "rose-colored" filters don't get this!

All of you elite Dems need to get it! WE will write-in Hillary or vote for McCain. We will not vote for the man we now know Obama to be! We love our country too much. This is not racist; once I supported Obama.

The Democratic Party has abandoned us. The elite leaders have shown they care nothing about the core majority of the party. They look down on us and think they can manipulate us in NOv. We are not stupid! For example, John Edwards has shown how much he respects "the working class" he trys to say he represents. Shortly after WEst Virginia spoke loud and clear, he said, I know better than you, working class. I will therefore correct your poor wrong vote and support Obama. Respect? NO!

Ramona in Ohio

Posted by: Ramona in Ohio | May 31, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I am disappointed that Obama felt the need to even comment on Father Pflager's remarks. He is not responsible for the words or actions of everyone he knows. Father Pflager was not speaking as a representative of Obama. He had no authority to speak for the Obama campaign and he is entitled to his own opinion. We all have friends who do or say things that we would not do or say or who we disagree with. It is unfortunate that we have allowed the media to manipulate us into this guilt by association trap.
If Father Pfalter's words had been spoken on Saturday Night Live, you'd all be laughing your head's off.
I've begun watching broadcasts from Trinty Church on TV One on some Sunday mornings, so that I could understand what the church is all about. I suggest that you do the same. It's not what you think.
Peace and Blessings to each of you.

Posted by: sheila | May 31, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The US dream of white christian supremacy is evident. Why else start unlawful crusades against foreign countries to kill in mass innocent non-whites?

Peace is out of reach!

Posted by: MilitantPacifist | May 31, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I'm not ready to drink the Obama kool-aid.
It's obvious that his mentor of 20 years is not turning on Obama. Even Farikon's speaches say they must not support him so openly, because "evil people" (whites) will use that against him. He can't have "never seen" this side of the man.
I have to admit, Obama talks a good talk and looks handsome though.

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Posted by: g346p2mfm8 | May 30, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Uh Ok?? Now what was offensive about what he said again??/ Hillary does eel entitled and she actually has said she should be the nominee b/c she is white and the white working class will only vote for her. Remember when SNL destoyed hr on that? This priest was right on the money.

Biden did not pull the racial and gender victimhood card, Edwards didn't do it, Chris Dodd didn't do it. She and her husband have pulled the race and gender card out over and over.... I am glad she was finally called on it.

Posted by: Kelly | May 30, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Uh Ok?? Now what was offensive about what he said again??/ Hillary does eel entitled and she actually has said she should be the nominee b/c she is white and the white working class will only vote for her. Remember when SNL destoyed hr on that? This priest was right on the money.

Biden did not pull the racial and gender victimhood card, Edwards didn't do it, Chris Dodd didn't do it. She and her husband have pulled the race and gender card out over and over.... I am glad she was finally called on it.

Posted by: Kelly | May 30, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Enough already with such hate. As you attempt to justify your reasoning for not liking Obama, none of you have justified it with true issues other than his church of 20 years. Does anyone have any evidence that he attended Trinity with such regularity. Even Wright in his bafoner outcry stated when asked by a reporter how often Obama attended church -- he responded to the reporter by saying, "do you attended that often?"

So, anyone can conjure up these wild thoughts of a man you profess to know, but clearly have paid so little attention to what he is saying. Why, when I worked, my employer was corrupt. Did that make me corrupt? I don't think so! I have met and spent time with a lot of seedy characters in my lifetime, but I don't agree with their philosophy. I'm being a Christian when I meet such characters by praying for them. Again, does that make their thoughts my thoughts? I know it doesn't.

Moreover, it seems by many of you who hate Obama, that when a truth is spoken, no matter how crass it is, it is nevertheless the truth. The truth can be ugly to some because it breaks their lifetime vision of things being different from what they think it should be.

Yes, I agree Hillary has characterized her campaign as someone who fills entitled to the Presidency. Yes, she is not as pure as some of you would like to believe. Have any of you done any background search of hers and Bill's life? Do you know of their slanderous past? Can you explain the number of mysterious deaths occurring during Bill's administration. Each of these people died mysteriously when confronted with adverse issues or subpenos to appear in court to testify against Bill and/or Hillary. TRUE --- check it out. Don't accept everything you hear as TRUTH.

Do any of you know of Hillary's relegius background -- "The Family". You should check it out. Obama's life and affiliation with Trinity pales in comparison of what "The Family" believes in. Wonder why this has not been exposed. One guess, the Clintons are powerful people, and they are know to have people eliminated. Don't take my word for it.

In other words, it makes all of you rather ignorant to make such an important decision, the most important decision that they government has allowed us. That, namely is to participate in who gets to be the President of the United States of America. When you fail to take reponsibility of "given" action, you fail the United States of America. And yet, you would dare to gamble with the rest of our lives by deciding to vote against your Party (Democratic) because the person you want to become President just can't cut the mustard.

Imagine, all of you who think Hillary can beat McCain --- maybe should ask yourself how that is possible when she cannot beat Obama. The people of America who have voted for Obama rather than Hillary have spoken.

It is true, that most of you white people cannot stand to listen to African American talk about slavery or racism. You know what, try to live the life of an African American in the Great United States of America and see just how racist white people still are today toward many of us. Have you ever been in a situation (in New York) of trying to get a cab and it slows and you think you have a cab, only to SEE with disdain that it has slowed, and stopped to pick up a WHITE person. Have you ever gone into a department store to shop only to have WHITE salespersons follow your every move as if you are going to steal something, no matter than you may have so much more money than that person who treats you like a suspect. Have you ever been pulled over by a Policeman because you are an African American and you look like a suspect they are looking for? You know, they say we all look alike. That's funny because I think many of you also look alike.

If you have a soul, look deep into it and ask yourself if you are truly a representative of Jesus Christ. He gave His life for us. I don't expect you to give your life for me, but I do expect you to look deeply into your soul and think about what you are saying before you spew such distastful hatred.

Yes, Pastor Pfleger, Reverend Wright, and even Farrakhan may not be perfect people, but they do sometime tell the truth. I say right on to them. The truth seems to hurt some uninformed White people. It's just unfortunate that they can't have freedom of speech without being castrated by haters just because they have associated with Obama. THEIR WORDS ARE NOT HIS WORDS. People get real.

Amen

Posted by: Ruby Bailey | May 30, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

An Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back Decades

WE DO NOT ACCEPT OBAMAS POLITICAL DAMAGE APOLOGY!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

WHITE AMERICA SAY NO TO RACIST OBAMA, It's been proved with Rev Wright and confirmed with Pfleger he is racist! Once again he is connected with another so-called "preacher" at the so-called "church" TCC, which has proved to be a place to worship and spew hate against white Americans. WATCH THE VIDEO!!! Watch the blacks jumping up and down as the idiot Pfleger attacks white and the Former TWO TERM First Lady and WHITE WOMAN verbally. Once again in a so-called House of God. I think not. TCC is a racist radical group. Obama is not FIT to even be representing our country!!!!

SENATOR CLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE FURIOUS AND ALL WHITE VOTERS HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE BIASED MEDIA EXCUSING RACIST ATTACKS AGAINST US. I URGE ALL TO BOYCOTT CNN AND MSNBC FOR MANIPULATING THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR TIME!!!!

Just this Sunday Father Michael Pfleger (a longtime friend and associate of Senator Obama) mocked Hillary Clinton & AGAIN ATTACKED WHTE PEOPLE at Obama's church OF 20 PLUS YEARS.

"I really believe that she just always thought, 'This is mine! I'm Bill's wife, I'm white, and this is mine! I just gotta get up and step into the plate.' And then out of nowhere came, 'Hey, I'm Barack Obama,' and she said, 'Oh, damn! Where did you come from? I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show! She wasn't the only one crying, there was a whole lot of white people crying!"


http://www.dontvoteobama.net

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that anyone with half a brain can see that this so called new preacher is a setup. Anyone who really supports Obama would not do this. Anyone who does support Obama knows that doing this will only hurt him. This pastor is a setup. Black people have suffered this type of setup before and to most of them this is as clear as day. This preacher was either paid or blackmailed into doing this little stunt. He is no Obama supporter.

Posted by: georgieboy | May 30, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama does not have to apologize for this preacher but he sure have to explain why he belongs to this obviously racist devisive and anti-American church for the past 20 yrs.No member of this sect is fit to lead our great nation.

Posted by: Jane | May 30, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

the terrorist declare war to america on 9/11,murdering thousand of innocent people,and more attacked are on the way...you know what -OBAMA did not vote to depend this country .He did not vote to defeat the enemy. he did not vote to stop future attack by destroying the enemys camp and training ground...and he want to be commander -in-chieft of this land?????ever wonder why he did not vote ,,well listen to his pastors and associate of 20 years....got it.

Posted by: allan beltran | May 30, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

like i said before, white folks is racist pure and simple. they have ruined the country.

Posted by: Lakisha | May 30, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Americans smarter than I thought -
These Europeans who think Obama is actually a peaceful alternative to Bush, and say we don't like him because he's black really don't know America like I thought they did. We don't like him because he's a scarier liar than Bush. We're talking full, grade-a military psyop level lying here. You do realize he is going to beef up the US military, promise stronger support for Israel, and put a military invasion of Iran squarely on the table, unless they concede to our demands, right? Of course he's going to give them a chance to concede, which is good, I guess. That's unless he's currently lying. Of course, if he was lying before to his pro-Nation of Islam buddies (who are not Muslim, any more than the KKK is Christian), then maybe he won't do any of those things. You never know.

Posted by: james | May 30, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

blank person says: And Obama and the idiot pundits wonder why he doesn't carry white working people..
======================================================================================It's not that he is not carrying "White" working class it's that he is not carrying the under-educated poor white working class who are afraid that they may have to change their viewpoint of the world and grow in consciousness to realize that the world is more brown than white..they are afraid that the bubble will burst and they will have to look in the mirror and realize that all this hype and racist stuff was a farce to keep the most ignorant from joining forces to demand better from the powers that be. Just think how things could be different for the poorest of the poor if they banded together to demand that their jobs not be outsourced overseas or that healthcare is provided at least to their children..just think what a powerful force that would be instead of hating each other ..JUST BECAUSE..

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

No-name said:
"No one is leaning on Bush . . . you better wake up..

Strange. I've never spoke favorably about Bush. In fact just the opposite.


Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

No one is leaning on Bush and yes you are right he is the bottom of the barrel..a low life that is willing to kill our soldiers just so that he can have a check mark in the win column. you better wake up..

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

why are people so offended by what the priest said..Hillary was caught off guard by Obama she was not prepared for what happened she did think that she was entitled because Bill promised her the Whitehouse if she stood by him ..she did cry and she is White so what was wrong with what he said? some of these people who are so appalled over what the priest said haven't raised an eyebrow over what Hagee said about New Orleans or the Catholic religion.. As a New Orleanian I am insulted by his commens..we lost everything and many people lost loved ones..Katrina was nothing to make light of..we live with this nightmare everyday but I do not hear any of you saying that you are not going to vote for McCain because of this crazy preacher..McCain may not have gone to Hagee's church but he was aware of his viewpoints on many issues before he asked for his endorsement.. so alignment is alignment if you are outraged by the simple outburst of the Priest than you need to be as outraged by the hatred that comes out of the mouth of Hagee.
YOU Hypocrites

Posted by: lg | May 30, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

No-name says:
"I'll tell you why he mingled because he saw the bigger picture"

Sure, and was it a big picture of Farrahkan hanging in Wright's office?

As to Bush, leaning on him to prove a point is dredging the bottom of the barrel.


Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I'll tell you why he mingled because he saw the bigger picture and he was not stuck on zero like many of you are. He was able to move beyond the negative and concentrae on the work that had to be done to make peoples lives better. you idiots are so narrow minded and shallow it's no wonder America is falling behind the rest of the world..Americans are just to-to petty and focused on things that don't matter..here they are ready to kick Obama to the curb because of something that someone said and Bush and McCain are satisfied with the slaughter of our soldiers in Iraq and the with many of them committing suicide because they cannot stand the pain of being in Iraq and you people are worried about words.. you should be worried about the MURDERS of our soldiers..how is it -it's ok to murder our soldiers but if someone utters a word you are all up in arms......

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

If you don't want to vote for Sen. Obama, that is your choice. I just wonder why those of you who are not voting for him are trying to make the reason(s) be the comments of someone else, in this instance a European American. I have not read in any of these articles that this priest is a Democrat or a Republican, I have not read where he was quoted as being an Obama supporter. what I did read was the truth as he, and millions of other Americans see it...Hillary Clinton believes she is entitled to be the President of the United States by virtue of her gender and name. I suspect this same sentiment is being echoed in many genres, many churches. The spotlight is on this particular church. Hillary Clinton believes she is owed the Presidency because her husband got a blow job in the White House, she made herself a victim and got the sympathy of longsuffering women with philandering husbands, and other Americans, including African Americans. African Americans voted for her husband by 83% in 1992 campared to 39% of European Americans. Now that African Americans have a qualified African American candidate as the potential nominee, they are now perceived as too ignorant to look beyond skin color. I believe those who keep trying to discount him because of his name, judgement, experience, pastor, uncle, color of socks, are to spineless to state YOUR real reason...He's Black, he's Black, don't you get it, he's black.

Posted by: Moxieme | May 30, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama is the biggest fake of all the current candidates. It's not that he lies more, but that more people seem to believe him. With him in office, fascism can finally go full force. People can actually think they're informed, and wave their flag high, and still have no clue of geopolitics or natural resource positioning.

Most of his supporters I've talked to don't even know anything about his policies, plans or voting history. He is sexy to them. His promises of change seem hopeful. Unfortunately, they also seem very empty at best, and lies at worse.
He has a very shady history with Nation of Islam, anti-Jew fanatics who are bitter about the very real influence of old slave money and political lobbies. Yet, he promises strong support for Israel because he recognizes the money and media power of the Jewish lobby. His campaign passes out flyers in churches that he needs to get into office "to do God's will", but he acts very non-religious to others. His mentor, yes mentor, who consecrated his house, married him, "introduced him to Jesus", gave Ferikan a lifetime achievement award for truth, and who he prayed with before running for president, is also somebody who he just didn't know that well. OKaayyy.
He preaches peace and tolerance, but makes no mention that we do fight wars for oil. We do need to focus on Afghanistan, to secure the Caspian Basin for Haliburton and Central Asian energy markets. It wouldn't hurt to take control of Pakistan as well I guess.
But is he lying to everyone, or does he actually have an agenda, and what is it?

Posted by: james | May 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not a Christian, the sermons that come from that pulpit-(a pulpit that he sat in front of for 20 years) are not even close to what Jesus was and is about.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I hope Obama goes down in the swift boat flames in November. Imagine this guy appointing Supreme Court justices?

One of his first social functions when in office will be a cozy little dinner with the Rev. Wright, Father Pfleger, and Oprah, who will all retire to the Lincoln Bedroom to have a threesome; but first they will dance around the room, rant, and rave, shout racist comments, then fall into Lincoln's bed in ecstatic splendor while Michelle and Barack retire to remenisce on what a great time was had by all.

Posted by: Maria Luisa - Indianapolis | May 30, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Yo Bro... Who dat crackah knockin' Hillry? Da say he know you...


Posted by: Sambo | May 30, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

you don't find this "news" about this priest or whatever he is, in tv news nor in the NYTimes.

And yet, the MSM is angry at Scott McClellan for shaming them publicly for being complicit in the worst power abuse in the history of U.S.A.

While i'm not defending McClellan, the MSM in the last 10 years have prove themselves the most unethical and the most corrupt in all U.S.A. journalism history.

And they continue acting their part as corrupt media by endorsing and running Hussain's publicity campaing.

Over two million bucks to Google and who knows how much for MSM. That's how you get to not see bad publicity for the false prophet for too long in tv and newspapers, and links and websites against Hussain being interrupted.

Posted by: coup d'etat in america | May 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

It's silly season again and if were Obama I would not apologize for anything enough of this gotcha politics..move on and lets kick this general election into high gear.. those who are so narrow in their perspectives are always looking for the petty molehills to turn into mountains ...
Obama should just tell everyone to kiss his but and move on.....

Posted by: lg | May 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse


And Obama and the idiot pundits wonder why he doesn't carry white working people..

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: phorse
"Racist."

Typical response from an Obama clone..

Go back to your lynching of the white woman, clone..

You're losing Democrats right and left over this.. May as well have your fun while your at it..

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

phorse: "Racist."

Uh-oh... someone supports Clinton or McCain.

Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"we must assume he (Obama) is comfortable mingling with this overtly racist group "

Both he and his anti-American wife. Racism didn't bother them, in fact they approved enough to donate big bucks.

Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse


My God..

If there were ever a black Klan, this looks like it..

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

My wife and I are writing in Hillary Clinton in November. And voting for McCain, if we can't.

We can't stand the cast characters surrounding this Obama son of a b!tch
___________________________________________
Yeah, beacuse you do not have any undesirables in your life because you live in a cave.
Give me a break. Why don't you look at all the lobbyists and raving pastors that support McCain. And Clinton? She is up for FRAUD charges this year.
Racist.

Posted by: phorse | May 30, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

No-name said:

"They have; it's just at odds with the one you've dreamed up, so you don't want to accept it and move on. "

Then post your reply. I'm waiting.

Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse


My wife and I are writing in Hillary Clinton in November. And voting for McCain, if we can't.

We can't stand the cast characters surrounding this Obama son of a b!tch.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to have a very difficult time separating himself from the racist views of his church for the past 20 years. We now see that it just isn't the Rev. Wright that holds these views, it is the entire Trinity Church. When these racist rants are preached there by anyone standing in the pulpit the congregation eats the dialog up like pigs at a slop trough. Obama is a member of that congregation and has been for 20 years so we must assume he is comfortable mingling with this overtly racist group. He even lets his wife and children be exposed to racism on a weekly basis.

He either believes the racist hate promoted at this church and/or he used his association with it to further his political career on the state level. Now his membership in this church has become a HUGE liability and he can't extricate himself from them. Obama is a phony no matter what you believe about his reasons for attending Trinity Church. Either that or he is the most clueless person that ever set foot into that church. No matter what the truth really is it automatically disqualifies him from holding the office of President of the United States.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Ok, game over Obama.
If it wasn't the first time.
Obama gave $47,000 to this church!

Just think of his political appointments.
He'll never win a general election. I'm a democrat and would never vote for any politician of any race that attended a church like this over any period of time.

Either recover the fumble and nominate Hillary Clinton or welcome President McCain.

Is this really that difficult to figure out?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

This Preacher was not a member of his church... he was a guess speaker.

He was up-until two weeks ago on a religious committee for Obama's Campaign...

What those of you who are so quick to start popping the Champaign bottles... are missing...

This man is an affiliate of REV WRIGHT... not necessarily Obama... His affiliation with Obama's campaign was the result (in-directly) of his affiliation with Rev Wright... However it should also be duly noted that there were dozens of religious leaders - working within the same realms as this preacher and so there was no real 'special connection' to his affiliation.

Ps... If Obama took a leak on the highway... it would have more relevance than this person seeking his 15 minutes of fame here...

YOU GUYS..... Come on!!!!

Hillary got less press on her assassination blur!!!!!

Posted by: puddlescited | May 30, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Then by now you should have figured out a reply.

Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 4:33 PM

They have; it's just at odds with the one you've dreamed up, so you don't want to accept it and move on.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton wouldn't be what she is now if she was not the wife of a former US president. This attached and non- instrinsic prestige does not qualify the lady for US presidency nor even the Senate.
I do not see her any different from any usual housewife in this country.The proper place for this arrogant and presumptuous lady is her kitchen,not the white house.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I went to school with Michele Obama and she once called me a white Mother f'n cracker!!

Can you believe it?

I recall it like it happend yesterday, all because I refused her sexual advances.

She wanted me to knock her up so she collect knowing I was well off.

GD racist!!

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Roman Catholic and I'm embarrassed. Christ said that His kingdomn was not of this world. This "priest" should defrock himself and honestly join the world that he really belongs to. Thos of the clothe that label themselves as Catholic and act differntly, do more damage to the perceived image of the church, than one thousand people that misunderstandingly hate the church.

Posted by: Ben Padilla | May 30, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Billw said:
"HEY OBAMA SUPPORTERS
Want to explain why Obama mingled amoung the crowd at that church for 20 years? "

g replied:
" damn, that is so old. "

Then by now you should have figured out a reply.

Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

No-name... said:

.....His Words are written by a speech wrighter..it's when he loses the page he's reading or wanders away from the page is whats getting him in trouble.

Exactly. Obama can't stand on his own very well. That's why he chickened out on debating.


Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry everyone...it was fun but Don't Care is right. I could give two farts about Obama or Clinton right now. I have to put $4.00 gas in my tank to get home from work. I have friends out of work who are sick and need healthcare, and I am struggling to keep my extended family above water taking every extra dollar I have. It was fun to be distracted but please lets keep our eyes on the prize. Sorry if I offended anyone...sometimes politics is too fun

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 4:05 PM
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I'm glad, 'cause you were becoming incoherent.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

birds of a feather flock together .....His Words are written by a speech wrighter..it's when he loses the page he's reading or wanders away from the page is whats getting him in trouble...you know..like the selma march...the kennedys helping his father..his uncle winning the war ect ect


By the way...I notice how you Clinton supporters keep making Barack a racist based on people around him rather than by any deeds or words he has actually said. Funny I can do the same with Hillary or Mccain based on words that actually came out of their mouths. Care to explain that one? I will even put that out the the no-name trolls. And yes Chief is a Moron

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous. How many people do each of us have in our live and come into contact with at meetings, on boards, at social gatherings, etc. GET A GRIP AND GROW UP!

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to how many people you come in contact with at meetings, etc, DO YOU GIVE THOUSAND OF DOLLARS OR HOW MANY OF THEM GIVE YOU THOUSAND OF DOLLARS TO CONTINUE SPREADING HATE?

Get a mirror, look at yourself in it and say "GET A GRIP AND GROW UP!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

HEY OBAMA SUPPORTERS

Want to explain why Obama mingled amoung the crowd at that church for 20 years?


Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 4:18 PM

Damm, that is so old.

Posted by: g | May 30, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry everyone...it was fun but Don't Care is right. I could give two farts about Obama or Clinton right now. I have to put $4.00 gas in my tank to get home from work. I have friends out of work who are sick and need healthcare, and I am struggling to keep my extended family above water taking every extra dollar I have. It was fun to be distracted but please lets keep our eyes on the prize. Sorry if I offended anyone...sometimes politics is too fun

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 4:05 PM

I agree.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

HEY OBAMA SUPPORTERS

Want to explain why Obama mingled amoung the crowd at that church for 20 years?


Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize that either untill I just read what you wrote.

Ayers-Isn't he a professor at the university of chicago? Shouldn't his students be guilty of associating with a domestic terror.

Father Pfleger-He was a visiting priest, right? Shouldn't members of his congregation be guilty of associating with him also. Even his two adopted children, right?

This is ridiculous. How many people do each of us have in our live and come into contact with at meetings, on boards, at social gatherings, etc. GET A GRIP AND GROW UP!

I didn't realize there was this much ignorance in our society. Scary.
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

This is the great uniter? This whole Obama nonsense was smoke and mirrors to begin with. The fact is - We don't all want the same things for this country. This self-hating "priest" is nothing but a pale-faced Rev. Wright, and I say let him hate himself all he wants to. Please, father, don't throw me into your mix as I have never held anybody down, white, black, brown, or other, in my entire life. Your modern-day "savior," Barrack Obama, will probably end up going down in history as the first candidate losing all 50 states while only winning the racist Washington D.C. Good work, Revs.

Posted by: keifert | May 30, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

in a right world Ayers wouldn't be teaching anywhere ..he would still be doing time in sing sing with his wife.


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Ayers-Isn't he a professor at the university of chicago? Shouldn't his students be guilty of associating with a domestic terror.

Father Pfleger-He was a visiting priest, right? Shouldn't members of his congregation be guilty of associating with him also. Even his two adopted children, right?

This is ridiculous. How many people do each of us have in our live and come into contact with at meetings, on boards, at social gatherings, etc. GET A GRIP AND GROW UP!

I didn't realize there was this much ignorance in our society. Scary.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Sorry everyone...it was fun but Don't Care is right. I could give two farts about Obama or Clinton right now. I have to put $4.00 gas in my tank to get home from work. I have friends out of work who are sick and need healthcare, and I am struggling to keep my extended family above water taking every extra dollar I have. It was fun to be distracted but please lets keep our eyes on the prize. Sorry if I offended anyone...sometimes politics is too fun

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

How stupid. More bait for the media. Why in the world would Pfleger do this knowing what would happen. And these fools jumping up and down in the back did not help.


I give up. Help!!!

Posted by: greg | May 30, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing that all of this time and effort has been waisted on this. I need to know about what affects me and my family . I dont care about all this nonsence. What about the Gas pric? Lets start there.

Posted by: Dont Care | May 30, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

By the way...I notice how you Clinton supporters keep making Barack a racist based on people around him rather than by any deeds or words he has actually said. Funny I can do the same with Hillary or Mccain based on words that actually came out of their mouths. Care to explain that one? I will even put that out the the no-name trolls. And yes Chief is a Moron

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I used to associate hateful religious sermons in the political sphere with republicans. Of course Obama repudiated this guys speech--who wouldn't? OK so that guy sucks and he's not the one running for president, but I think there is a valid reason that we are reading this in the paper: It is a prime example of the kind of hateful racially charged mudslinging that I've heared over and over from Obama supporters--This IS how many people in the Obama sphere play the race card--they do so fiercely because it seems to work effectively and there is maliciousness toward white people in this speech. That's why alot of people don't want to vote for him. White people don't all suck--they are not all privileged and I really don't think most people believe in racial entitlement. People don't want to be persecuted for pasts they can't change and/or attitudes they don't personally hold. If Hillary does get knocked down by all this hate mongering--this is an issue that needs hammered out before November because the more conservative swing voters are not going to go for that...I mean who really likes the tone of that sermon?--Wow Hillary and her supporters sure do have to take a lot of really awful BS from the supposed nice guy campaign.

Posted by: Will Welch | May 30, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is so popular that blacks will go to the bathroom while he's insight and take a deep breath".

http://brothers.yourblackworld.com/2008/02/tavis-smileys-haterology-on-barack.html

Where did it say anything about Tavis? That quote was from that website of blacks who hate tavis openly and want to hurt him. The quote is of black men saying to tavis how much they adore Hussain.

THE POINT IS THAT THE OBAMABOTS ARE WILLING TO SMELL THE FALSE PROPHET'S AZZ. THE HELL THAT SAYS ABOUT THEM!

Posted by: | May 30, 2008 3:49 PM


That is where...dumba**

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

When we get to know Obama better, we won't want him for dog catcher.

We know Hillary really well already and she is clearly not qualified to be dog catcher.

Poor Hillary! Not even race baiting helped her.


Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

WWas father Pflager wrong?

Posted by: Emmanuelle | May 30, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Once again, a "spiritual advisor" and long-time friend of Senator Obama has given Senator McCain and his followers more ammunition to beat us in the fall. All Democrats should be furious at Obama for not cutting his ties with this racist and hateful "church."

Posted by: jka | May 30, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Bill and Hillary Clinton are racist because they both used race baiting tactics to win, starting in South Carolina.

Maybe Obama can be our first woman President since Bill is our first black President!


Posted by: Bill and Hillary Clinton are racist! | May 30, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The superdelegates should now have a clear picture of the longtime advisors Obama has surrounded himself with... Wright (20 years), Rezco (20 years) Ayers (20years), Pfleger (20 years). These chosen advisors are the best indicators of the views that he holds, the judgement he exercises, the choices he makes and how he would make decisions if elected.

Knowing all these facts, should the superdelegates disregard the will of the people and select Obama as the nominee, despite the fact that Clinton won more votes, (the way the Supreme Court selected Bush as President), the Party will get what it deserves which is a complete crack-up and mass exodus. Once the books are complete about how Obama tried to dupe America, the supers that supported him will all be sent packing.


"He attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week -- or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant."

"The biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass."
Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says."

Another person Obama says he seeks out for spiritual counsel is state Sen. James Meeks, who is also the pastor of Chicago's Salem Baptist Church.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726619,obamafalsani040504.article

"Rev. Michael Pfleger is a longtime friend and associate of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. In September, the Obama campaign brought Pfleger to Iowa to host one of several interfaith forums for the campaign.

Their relationship spans decades. Pfleger has given money to Obama's campaigns and Obama as a state legislator directed at least $225,000 towards social programs at St. Sabina's, according to the Chicago Tribune. One of those long-time supporters was Rev. Michael Pfleger, the politically active leader of St. Sabina Church. He gave Obama's campaign $1,500 between 1995 and 2001, including $200 in April 2001, about three months after Obama announced $225,000 in grants to St. Sabina programs."

"Pfleger has drawn fire from some quarters for defending the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and inviting him to speak at his church."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/priest-and-obam.html

"Pfleger said Obama told him that he didn't want criticism of Wright to detract from the big day. "I told him I thought it was the wrong decision," Pfleger said in an interview."

"One of those long-time supporters was Rev. Michael Pfleger, the politically active leader of St. Sabina Church. He gave Obama's campaign $1,500 between 1995 and 2001, including $200 in April 2001, about three months after Obama announced $225,000 in grants to St. Sabina programs."

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

First Tavis Smiley does not like Barack Obama and has been shunned by the black community so it is a bad point of reference

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 3:34 PM
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man,i don't know what you are smoking.

Where did it say anything about Tavis? That quote was from that website of blacks who hate tavis openly and want to hurt him. The quote is of black men saying to tavis how much they adore Hussain.

THE POINT IS THAT THE OBAMABOTS ARE WILLING TO SMELL THE FALSE PROPHET'S AZZ. THE HELL THAT SAYS ABOUT THEM!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

What? People who Obama associates with are racist? No way.

Obamanation. Coming to a city near you this November

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Once again, one of Obama's friends and "spiritual advisors" have given the McCain campaign more ammunition to beat the Democrats, and you can bet we will see commercials of Father Pfleger and Rev. Wright playing across the country this fall.

Posted by: jka | May 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I can not stop the spread of racism when Hilary and Bill Clinton, Rev Wright, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakan, and all of the other black racist use race baiting and anti_American speech to further their cause of racial preferences, black mail, and to seek squeeze billions more from taxpayers.

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Posted by: | May 30, 2008 3:39 PM


Um, no. Farrakhan is racist. Jesse Jackson is racist.


But Bill and Hillary Clinton, whatever else they might be, are not racists. Obama is not a racist. Where are you even getting that??

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Mouse farts in the wind................that's all this will be. The press will want to get it out and over asap so the annointed one can move forward to the convention .

Just make sure you all vote for the next "messiah" cause his wingnut wife said this is your only chance. The great Obama is only running once!

We should all be so lucky.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Father Michael Pfleger is a liberal racist white man trying to sound like a liberal, racist black man.

Just close your eyes and listen to his racist speech.


Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING MARTIN LUTHER KING JR WORKED SO HARD FOR AND DIED FOR IS GOING UP IN SMOKE THANKS TO THE TRINITY CHURCH, REV WRIGHT, REV MOSS, AND THIS PFLEGER...THEY PUTTING THIS COUNTRY BACK IN THE EARLY 60'S.HE WOULD TURN OVER IN HIS GRAVE IF HE KNEW WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.......THE OLD RASIST WERE DYING OUT AND NOW THEY BEING REBORN...WHAT A SHAME....SAME ON YOU TRINITY CHURCH

Posted by: Lucygirl1 | May 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I can not stop the spread of racism when Hilary and Bill Clinton, Rev Wright, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakan, and all of the other black racist use race baiting and anti_American speech to further their cause of racial preferences, black mail, and to seek squeeze billions more from taxpayers.

Racism is alive and well in America because of a bunch of loud mouth black racist.

The nation was about to elect a black man until these racist came crawling out of their holes.

Obama must be a racist to have put up with such racist hate speech from Rev Wright and others.

Call a spade a spade!

Posted by: | May 30, 2008 3:39 PM
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I am glad that you mentioned Bill and Hillary Clinton but racism is not alive in America because of a few loud black people there are quite a few loud white people we can name as well. Racism is alive and well because people cannot look beyond skin and see people. The same people we work with everyday, shop with, play with, learn with, defend with, and fight with. We may be different colors but we are all Americans. So to say that racism is unique or to blame on one race is not just racist but kinda stupid

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

READ MY LIPS...OBAMA IS A RACIST BLACK MAN WHO SAT IN THE PEWS FOR 20+ YEARS AND NEVER CALLED THIS HATE SPEECH WHAT IT IS...RECIST HATE SPEECH.

RACISM GOES BOTH WAYS FOLKS.

Posted by: PolicyWonk2008: | May 30, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The ridiculous thing is that this priest didn't actually say anything racist. Stupid, yes. Inflammatory, yes. But not racist. Just another idiot out for his 15 minutes. Pitiful.


It's not even worth the attention.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 3:31 PM
And what have you done...PolicyWonk to stop the spread of racism besides a one-sided call?

I can not stop the spread of racism when Hilary and Bill Clinton, Rev Wright, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakan, and all of the other black racist use race baiting and anti_American speech to further their cause of racial preferences, black mail, and to seek squeeze billions more from taxpayers.

Racism is alive and well in America because of a bunch of loud mouth black racist.

The nation was about to elect a black man until these racist came crawling out of their holes.

Obama must be a racist to have put up with such racist hate speech from Rev Wright and others.

Call a spade a spade!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL WEDNESDAY. I WONDER HOW MUCH THEY PAID THAT PRIEST?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

ARGUMENT Obama wasn't qualified for the presidency before all of these videos hit the 'net.

RESPONSE: What were Bush's pre-qualifications? Being the son of a President who, remember now, said "READ MY LIPS...NO NEW TAXES"? In his first term, he invaded Iraq without the approval of the U.N...and then he was RE-ELECTED?!! How would Bush/Cheney/McCain feel if China, without the U.N.'s approval, marched its infantry and launched an air attack in South Korea to help its communist ally to the North?

Hillary is more "qualified" than Bush was? Daddy = 4 years, Hubby = 8 years

ARGUMENT: Now, anyone who takes a moment to think realizes that a vote for him is a vote against progress, unity and understanding.

RESPONSE: Anyone who votes for McCain should realize that although he's the most left-winged GOP, he's still got the majority of the GOPs whispering sweet NOTHINGS in his ears. Out of the 39% approval ratings for Bush, 100% of those are GOPs. Out of the 71% disapproval rating, I'll assume that some of those are GOPs that want Bush out and any other GOP candidate to replace him. McCain talks just to impress the GOPs because he needs them. Hillary talks about anything that will get her nominated, regardless of the cost of reputation.

Posted by: Great Debator | May 30, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

i guess that 'splains the wild jumping behind the white-iwant-to-be-black-pastor.

That quote above explains why these obamabots can't be trusted. They are really, but really, azz kissers. Do you want america in those hands?


Posted by: obamabots kiss saint obama azz | May 30, 2008 3:32 PM
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First Tavis Smiley does not like Barack Obama and has been shunned by the black community so it is a bad point of reference

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

You suck PolicyWonk2008!!! Shut Up Troll!!!

Posted by: ALBON | May 30, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama aint no negro. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black.

If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side.

While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro).

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Posted by: PolicyWonk2008: | May 30, 2008 3:30 PM


Don't be so ridiculous. Of what relevance is this? (Cue the Arabophobia...)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse


"Obama is so popular that blacks will go to the bathroom while he's insight and take a deep breath".

http://brothers.yourblackworld.com/2008/02/tavis-smileys-haterology-on-barack.html

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i guess that 'splains the wild jumping behind the white-iwant-to-be-black-pastor.

That quote above explains why these obamabots can't be trusted. They are really, but really, azz kissers. Do you want america in those hands?

Posted by: obamabots kiss saint obama azz | May 30, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama MUST be an Anit-American black RACIST to have stayed in this church for 20 years. Com'on folks!


Posted by: PolicyWonk2008: | May 30, 2008 3:26 PM
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And what have you done...PolicyWonk to stop the spread of racism besides a one-sided call?

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I didn't listen to the sermon, and I didn't read all the comments but it sure looks to me like Sandy is making the priest's point for him.

Sandy, you give my race a bad name, and I don't like that.

You're the cow. Common is too good a word to apply to you. Execrable is more like it. Go crawl back under your rock.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 30, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

You Obama haters are pathetic.

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And those of you who call him 'racist', you are totally ignorant. He's half white.

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Posted by: ALBON | May 30, 2008 3:25 PM


...and that's the part the haters resent the most. Sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

One thing is certain: millions of Dems will leave the party if Tony Rezko's sleazy-deal partner is nominated. To prevent that horrible event, responsible Dems like Hillary will fight to save what was once a great political party from a hijack by supporters of the pal to Weathermen terrorists.

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Posted by: ALEX H | May 30, 2008 3:27 PM
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Dems Like Hillary...you mean evil, mean-spirited hate mongers...who pardoned the Weathermen terrorist...leave then...traitors

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Too many none issues affecting the welfare and well being of this country and its citizens have been giving media attention. Yes, how did this video get out so fast? Good question. Any way, this was a white, Chatholic priest having fun at the expense of the other candidate. He did not say white people or evil, did not say America needs to burn for its sins, nothing like that. He just made fun of Senator Clinton crying in New Hampshire. Is this really worth reporting? I use to never read the paper or watch the news because it was so full of negative. Now I have an added reason to not read newspapers or watch the news.
Both sources report on stupid, insignificant, things that only stir up the worst in people. This man should have not been given the air time, he does not deserve it.

Posted by: Citizen AJ | May 30, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

America is ready & willing to vote in a black president. They are just not ready to vote in someone that support racism like Barack Obama.

Posted by: Jim
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St. Jim, everyone....Obama supported racism until it turned 21 and moved out of the house.

Posted by: Gosh, I wish that nice Wayne Brady would run...he is not that scary | May 30, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse


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Rev. pfleger confirms what the world already knows about "Sweeitie" hussein. Thanks to "uncle" jeremiah, the true nature of hussein was revealed. For nearly twenty years hussein has been the disciple and avid follower and supporter of this racial bigot. hussein has publicly praised wright on numerous occasions. hussein gave wright's church $26,000 in 2007, plus many thousands more previously. wright's vile, bigoted harangues against America, in general, and white Americans, in particular, illustrate the true foundation of hussein and the "church" of which he is a devout member. With phleger, hussein's "church" continues to be a bastion of racial hatred, bigotry and un-Christian behavior.

The foundation of hussein is racial division and strife - not unity. If it were not for the thin veneer of whitewash slapped on him by his handlers, I would expect hussein to adopt wright's "God D@#! America" as his theme song. hussein is clearly an outrageously unacceptable candidate for any elected office or position of responsibility in America.

One thing is certain: millions of Dems will leave the party if Tony Rezko's sleazy-deal partner is nominated. To prevent that horrible event, responsible Dems like Hillary will fight to save what was once a great political party from a hijack by supporters of the pal to Weathermen terrorists.

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Posted by: ALEX H | May 30, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama MUST be an Anit-American black RACIST to have stayed in this church for 20 years. Com'on folks!


Posted by: PolicyWonk2008: | May 30, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Yo Barry as your pastor so eloquently put it.

Your Chickenssssssssssssssssss

are coming hooooooooooooooooome

To Roooooooooooooooooooooooost

Posted by: Chevy
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If they have, they s**t on you on the way in. You better hurry, McSame is messing up again on Iraq facts, troll

Posted by: Chevy - so-so car, so-so comedian and lame poster | May 30, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

You Obama haters are pathetic. He never said any of the words that came out of Rev. Wright's mouth nor Father Pfleger's mouth. You know that they are not his views. And those of you who call him 'racist', you are totally ignorant. He's half white. It is so obvious that he loves himself and his heritage. You know the truth and God knows that you know. Your wicked human nature will not let you accept him for the extraordinary man and Politian that he is. Whatever!

No matter what you Obama haters say or do, he will win the Presidency!

Posted by: ALBON | May 30, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

America is ready & willing to vote in a black president. They are just not ready to vote in someone that support racism like Barack Obama.

Posted by: Jim | May 30, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

These aren't Obama's chickens. He never accused Hillary of white entitlement. This is just some idiot Catholic priest (not even part of Obama's church) who's going overboard expressing white guilt. He's not associated with Obama in any way. Obama did not invite the man, seek his endorsement or tell him what to say. He immediately denounced the man's words.

Maybe Obama's denunciation isn't enough for you. Would you be happy if he said, "Well, at least he's not talking about assassinations"? ;-p

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 30, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

so you believe in unicorns and hercules too


The problem with MANY people in this world, whether they're black, white, hispanic, male, female, young, and old, whatever, is that they truly have never never heard the gospel of Jesus the Christ. And for many of us who have WE certainly don't act like it. This is nothing new and you have seen nothing yet. If you want some help in understanding what's going on today read the Book of Jeremiah and see why God called him.

Posted by: The Gospel Truth | May 30, 2008 2:48 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. Somehow her name is missing.

Same day same preacher: Susan Brooks Postlethwaite, "Bully in the Pulpit" Look for it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Good grief. Why in the world would Americans elect someone like this man? He is a true racist. Look at the people in his church applauding this white Catholic priest for his remarks filled with hate. This country will pay a price if Obama is elected. It's that simple.

Posted by: NoToObama | May 30, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to WaPo as one of the few MSM outlets to post THE OTHER PREACHER THE SAME DAY IN THE SAME CHURCH:

Pfleger: Bully in the Pulpit

I preached the first service at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago last Sunday. Rev. Michael Pfleger preached later that day.

I preached a sermon about how a sacred conversation on race has to have Christ at the center.

Father Pfleger, as America now knows, preached a very different message on race, one I greatly resent.

We in the United Church of Christ are trying to have what we call "A Sacred Conversation on Race" and I did not find Pfleger's sermon to represent what we in the UCC are trying to do in having a sacred conversation.

Instead, Pfleger's sermon was a bullying rant that was disrespectful of the members of Trinity United Church of Christ, disrespectful of Senator Hillary Clinton and really also disrespectful of Senator Obama and his consistent message of finding common ground.

This political campaign season often seems to me to be a kind of cultural theater, where we are seeing the end of one kind of politics, the politics of polarization (and even the religion of polarization) coming to an end and a new politics and religion of unity trying to break through. I have been reading Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America by Rick Perlstein, and this excellent book describes this historical trajectory we have experienced since 1972.

The idea that you should inflame people's hatred of one another as a way to mobilize voters has been dominant since 1972 and very powerful. But it has produced near paralysis in Washington and disastrous foreign policy. But hate dies hard and while people want to find unity, they can easily fall back into divisive rhetoric, especially when it is disguised as humor. This is bad at a dinner party; in the pulpit it is shameful and wrong.

Posted by: aka | May 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Yo Barry as your pastor so eloquently put it.

Your Chickenssssssssssssssssss

are coming hooooooooooooooooome

To Roooooooooooooooooooooooost

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Responding to random points:

ARGUMENT: The Trinity members are no more racists than Catholics are pedophiles.

RESPONSE: I haven't yet seen a video of people standing up in a Catholic church applauding acts of pedophilia. It is something that has happened, but it is not something that is supported by church members. Further, the wrongs of certain Catholic priests don't make these racist sermons right. That's sick logic.

ARGUMENT: Obama isn't responsible for what people around him say.

RESPONSE: Obama is responsible for participating so strongly in the church that promotes and accepts this sort of vitriol as "truth." And, of course, the people claiming Obama's not responsible for what his wife and friends say couldn't be the same ones trying to hold Clinton responsible for what her husband and friends say, could they?

ARGUMENT: Truth hurts.

RESPONSE: Yes, it does. And the truth is, it's well past time for people to stop digging up the bones of the dead to feast on their sins. Try joining the America in which white soldiers in the civil war died to end slavery, black men were given the right to vote 50 years before women, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made racial discrimination illegal. How long are people going to carry the grief of ancestors who often times aren't even their own in order to validate a sense of entitlement, or worse, anger, hatred, bitterness and violence.

ARGUMENT: Pfleger is white.

RESPONSE: And Bill Cosby is black and has been called a race traitor since his speech on the anniversary of Brown v Board of Ed.

If racism offends you, don't support it, don't condone it, don't apologize for it, don't excuse it, don't forgive it and don't socialize and go to church with it.

Obama wasn't qualified for the presidency before all of these videos hit the 'net. Now, anyone who takes a moment to think realizes that a vote for him is a vote against progress, unity and understanding.

Posted by: Lynn | May 30, 2008 12:35 PM

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You are sooo right! Thank you for saying it so well.

Posted by: | May 30, 2008 12:45 PM
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it's worth repeating it because these are the best arguments here so far.

Posted by: the truth is worth repeating | May 30, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

so if whites are "shinning shoes" who are doing our jobs?? i don't know why people are getting worked up.. mccain is going to win just because..

Posted by: christine panama city fl | May 30, 2008 2:56 PM
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gee your stupid

Posted by: Chris in DC | May 30, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama is lower-middle class and has the manners of a sow. She can try as hard as she likes but she will never be the equal of Jackie Kennedy.

Posted by: Sandy | May 30, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I simply can't stand Michelle Obama. She's a loud mouth and I find her rather common.

Posted by: Sandy | May 30, 2008 3:05 PM

Wow, and you are so uncommon.

Bi.ch

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

This priest appears to be a complete idiot. Talking black, trashing a woman....what's the matter you creep, no little boys available to relieve your frustrations?

Posted by: Sharon | May 30, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The bible speaks of one"who will come in the latter days who will be so decietful and convincing that he will decieve the very elect of christ".He is speaking of the Antichrist,the son of Satan.Sounds like Obama to me.

Posted by: Nannie Turner | May 30, 2008 3:01 PM

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You sound like an idiot to me.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

angry female said:
Why am I angry? My vote does not count (Florida) and the DNC's arrogance is a turnoff. I am a long time Democrat and have never voted anything other than a straight Democrtic ticket, but I do not and will not support Obama. I am not a racist, poor, uneducated, or bitter as the Obama supporters state in these blogs. I respect your choice, but am sick of being called names because I do not share your views. Go back and read the comments. They are filled with hate, arrogance, and plain old stupidity. Each of us has the right to our opinions, but to stoop to calling me a racist or a fool because I disagree with you, only makes me more determined not to support Obama.
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Then you are racist because there is virtually no difference between Obama and Clinton on the issues.
Again, explain to me ISUES WISE why you would not vote for him. I mean ISSUES.... I dodn't like John Kerry personally but I still voted for him because I thought he would be a good leader.

So, all the people that are democrats that refuse to vote for Obama. I think that I deserve an explanation as to why I have to suffer for another four years of Republican BS. Again, WHY WILL YOU NOT VOTE FOR HIM ON HIS ISSUES

Posted by: phorse | May 30, 2008 3:02 PM

It goes back to the the Priest was saying. I black man stole my job. I am white, I was supposed to get it. Ouch!!!

Imagine, a black man in the WHITE HOUSE. That's too much for some to bear. No all thankfully.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

A church,as most of the posters here seem not to care about,is supposed to be a place of worship not a house of hate
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HA!
Then all the candidates are out because the church is where hatred is usually brought up. My grandmother's funeral: the pastor stood up and told people to vote against gay marriage because it was the right thing to do. What about Hagee who endorsed McCain? What about Jesse Jackson who is a close friend of the Clintons? I don't know what church you go to but that is probably where I have heard the most hatred spewed.
Wake up and vote on some real issues...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I simply can't stand Michelle Obama. She's a loud mouth and I find her rather common.

Posted by: Sandy | May 30, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER THE MOVIE BLAZING SADDLES?

The black sheriff came to town and saved it?

I watched the movie last night and Barrack came to mind.

I miss Harvey Korman - he died two days ago.

Posted by: GETATLIFE | May 30, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

angry female said:
Why am I angry? My vote does not count (Florida) and the DNC's arrogance is a turnoff. I am a long time Democrat and have never voted anything other than a straight Democrtic ticket, but I do not and will not support Obama. I am not a racist, poor, uneducated, or bitter as the Obama supporters state in these blogs. I respect your choice, but am sick of being called names because I do not share your views. Go back and read the comments. They are filled with hate, arrogance, and plain old stupidity. Each of us has the right to our opinions, but to stoop to calling me a racist or a fool because I disagree with you, only makes me more determined not to support Obama.
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Then you are racist because there is virtually no difference between Obama and Clinton on the issues.
Again, explain to me ISUES WISE why you would not vote for him. I mean ISSUES.... I dodn't like John Kerry personally but I still voted for him because I thought he would be a good leader.

So, all the people that are democrats that refuse to vote for Obama. I think that I deserve an explanation as to why I have to suffer for another four years of Republican BS. Again, WHY WILL YOU NOT VOTE FOR HIM ON HIS ISSUES

Posted by: phorse | May 30, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

re;tellitlikeitis;"our enemy is sitting in the white house".Wrong,our enemy is trying his best to get into the white house and thanks to the drooling press and media he almost did.A church,as most of the posters here seem not to care about,is supposed to be a place of worship not a house of hate.Most defifitely not a place to curse while speaking from the pulpit.People are so wrapped up in their worship and adoration of Egobama that they do not even take note of this sacreligous outrage.The bible speaks of one"who will come in the latter days who will be so decietful and convincing that he will decieve the very elect of christ".He is speaking of the Antichrist,the son of Satan.Sounds like Obama to me.

Posted by: Nannie Turner | May 30, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

so if whites are "shinning shoes" who are doing our jobs?? i don't know why people are getting worked up.. mccain is going to win just because..

Posted by: christine panama city fl | May 30, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I love that these words that pastors and preachers used to blather without any consequences are now getting some public attention. I hope that the right-wing preachers and pastors get the same treatment. The fact is, that there is nowhere in the world a larger bunch of creeps and hypocrits than in America's churches. Let us continue to see what they're really saying. It's time to see them for what they really are - the furthest thing from the teachings of Jesus. Just pick one of the Bush "Christians", and I'll show you the hate they feel...

Posted by: Mark Braun | May 30, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Why am I angry? My vote does not count (Florida) and the DNC's arrogance is a turnoff.

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Posted by: angry female | May 30, 2008 2:21 PM


You're free to support anyone you please, but the fault lies with Florida, not the DNC...so if you're going to blame anyone, blame your state officials.

Florida knew the rules and ignored them. There's not much else to discuss there...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

There is this absurd doulbe standard that seems to allow white conservative religous figures to say any kind of idiotic thing without any consequence at all, even for phonies like McCain who are specifically seeking their political support, but makes a huge deal out of anything a religous figure who is left wing and associated with Barak Obama. For god's sake, Rudy had a pedophile priest on his staff and didn't get in trouble. And, all this guy did is make fun of Hilary Clinton. Give me a break. This isn't an issue.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I am the same white boy that poses under Lakisha, if you didn't notice. Of course you did and you are ignoring me...stop ignoring me!!

The only thing dark about me is the inside of my underwear...well brownish.


Posted by: Lakisha | May 30, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The problem with MANY people in this world, whether they're black, white, hispanic, male, female, young, and old, whatever, is that they truly have never never heard the gospel of Jesus the Christ. And for many of us who have WE certainly don't act like it. This is nothing new and you have seen nothing yet. If you want some help in understanding what's going on today read the Book of Jeremiah and see why God called him.

Posted by: The Gospel Truth | May 30, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

for all the white fols who won't vote for obama are racist - point blank!

Posted by: Lakisha | May 30, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I am the same white boy that poses under Lakisha, if you didn't notice. Of course you did and you are ignoring me...stop ignoring me!!

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | May 30, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

When will people realize that nobody reads these copy & paste posts.

Posted by: CopyAndPaste | May 30, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, the new pastor, the young pastor, Reverend Otis Moss, is a wonderful young pastor," Obama responded. "And as I said, I still very much value the Trinity community."

'New Trinity pastor Otis Moss has called Biblical patriarch Abraham a "pimp" and made other statements many would consider offensive."

"But a videotape of a sermon he delivered at Wright's church shows this "wonderful young pastor" referring to "ghetto prophets" and "thug theology," calling the late rapper Tupac Shakur a "prophet," and reciting at length lyrics to Shakur's song "Thugz Mansion."

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Posted by: you are embarassing yourself... | May 30, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

When will people in America wake up and see the "big" picture here? Most of America is NOT ready for a Black President because of ignorance! Racisim is alive and well in 2008 and that is ashame. God must cry every day at how truly ignorant his people are. He says in his word that "I would not have you to be ignorant", and yet we pick up on whatever we can to discredit Senator Obama and whatever Senator Clinton says is because she misspoke, was tired, etc. Let's call a spade a spade folks. It's like saying what a drunken man said has no value because he was drunk. NO, he meant every word that he said. Being drunk just gave him the courage to say it. We need to understand that ignorance is what keeps America from being the best that it can be. Open your minds people. If Senator Obama becomes the next President, he will not be running the country alone, any more than President Bush is! And being a Black man, he will be watched like a hawk. Perhaps after sitting in a congregation for years listening to the same old "who's stepping on who" sermans, he decided that he wanted to take the country in another direction. You cannot tell me that similar sermons have not been preached at all white churches and yes, I have heard a Priest long ago something similar to what the Priest in Chicago said. We just want to make pretend that we are shocked when we have heard even worst things preached. I can understand that because as a Black woman I sat in a congregation for years and the last year that I was there, I knew that God was calling me out of this mega church. As Blacks, we know what has happened in the past. What a shock when some of us do make it to Heaven - we will not be segregated into cultures, races, etc. And if we can't learn to expand our minds, understand each other and get along down here, how can we ever hope to go to Heaven. Unfortunately, what the Priest said was true and I know that many of you know that. You just don't want to admit it. Could the fact that the Democrats are meeting all day tomorrow in Wahington regarding the votes in Michigan and Florida have anything to do with the timing of this article. It certainly seems to me that everything that has been spoken has been strategically planned to discredit Senator Obama. Jesus was not the only one betrayed by a Judas. The Judas' of this world seem to be alive and well and selling their very souls for a piece of gold (instead of silver) these days. Make no mistake about it, these are planted at just the right time and so many American citizens are falling for the okie-doke. No wonder so many nations hate us. We are the most powerful nation on earth, but we fall so short of what American could be about. Wake up people and look around you. What has happened to our country? We cannot afford to buy gas, keep our houses and soon even be able to get to our jobs. We are in a senseless war where way too many of our loved ones have lost their lives and many more crippled for life, yet we fight amongst each other because we are blind to what is really going on in this country. We are so busy fighting each other that we don't even realize that the devil is having a field day. He's using our weaknesses and our ignorance against us and we are falling for it every time. Senator Obama has a dream about how great American can and should be. But FEAR has entrapped us and so we just want "big business" as usual in Washington, because we cannot believe we can be better than we are. A lot of us still believe the nonsense about him being a Musleum. NONE OF THIS IS TRUE. Even Politico will tell you this people. And you know they have checked it out. Why do we think we have to know everything about this man because he is Black. I don't think he has done anything to apologize for. In all of the work that he has done, he has met a lot of people and how is he to be responsible for what people say. Come on people, just admit that you don't want to see a Black man for President of the United States of America. Which just goes to prove that we haven't come as far as a nation as we think we have. I just want to add one more thing, Senator Clinton was my pick at first until I felt that she felt that she was owed the Presidency because of her husband and her husband made the remark about Senator Obama living in a fairy tale. Why can't a Black man be elected President in 2008? WHY NOT??? Because the Clintons don't feel that he is smart enough or because of the color of his skin. I truly feel that if we can't weather this storm now with racisim out in the open, we never will. As they say, if not now, then when? If the ignorant people of this country have their way and don't select Senator Obama for the next President, we deserve another 4 years of the failed Bush Administration. You don't even have to ask yourself are you better off than you were 8 years ago because the answer is a resounding NO! Hatred only leads to horrible consequences. Haven't we had enough bad consequences for the past 8 years? Senator Obama has my vote and the more the devil trys to knock him down, the higher he rises. REMEMBER, IT IS OUR IGNORANCE THAT DIVIDES US AND KEEPS US IN FEAR. AND FEAR WILL NEVER LET US PROGRESS.

Posted by: Penny | May 30, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I would like to know how all of this stuff ends up on camera in a church anyway? Makes you wonder if the clinton camp hasn't had someone placed in the audience with a camera since the time HRC decided to run for president. If someone in the audience isn't taking them then the church is handing over church video from their cameras. I'm wondering how much the Clintons paid the preacher man to say all of that stuff about her right before another election?
Obama's words or associations and even McCains age doesn't hold a candle to the Clintons corruption! http://ak-elections2008.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Mem | May 30, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The linkage to his "moral compass", Father Flgerer, goes back many years. Read this piece from the Chicago Sun Times in 2004.

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"The biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass."

Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says.

"I always have felt in him this consciousness that, at the end of the day, with all of us, you've got to face God," Pfleger says of Obama. "Faith is key to his life, no question about it. It is central to who he is, and not just in his work in the political field, but as a man, as a black man, as a husband, as a father.... I don't think he could easily divorce his faith from who he is."

Princeton Junction

Obama: I have a deep faith
Barack Obama credits his multicultural upbringing for his theological point of view.

April 5, 2004

BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Sun-Times Columnist
Casually straightening his tie with one hand as he holds the door for a stranger with the other, the young politician strides into the cafe, greeting an employee by name and flashing a big grin at the rest of the room.

He grabs a bottled protein shake from the cooler at the back of Cafe Baci on South Michigan Avenue, and settles into a table near the soft-drink dispenser, doffing his suit jacket along the way.

Barack Obama is alone on this Saturday afternoon in the city, his press secretary nowhere in sight. He's not carrying anything with him. Not even notes.


Barack Obama
Age: 42

Raised: Christian (nonspecific)

Now: Christian, United Church of Christ

Attends: Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ

Words to live by: "I have an ongoing conversation with God. . . . I'm constantly asking myself questions about what I'm doing, why I am doing it."

"I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."
Yet he appears confident as he answers questions about his spiritual life, a subject that would make many politicians -- on or off the campaign trail -- more skittish than a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
If an hourlong conversation about his faith unnerves him, Obama's not letting on.

The first question he fields without hesitation: What does he believe?

"I am a Christian," the 42-year-old Illinois state senator and Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate says, as one of the nearby customers interrupts to congratulate him on his recent primary win. Obama shakes the man's hand and says, "Thank you very much. I appreciate that," before turning his attention directly back to the question.

"So, I have a deep faith," Obama continues. "I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.

"That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."

It's perhaps an unlikely theological position for someone who places his faith squarely at the feet of Jesus to take, saying essentially that all people of faith -- Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone -- know the same God.

That depends, Obama says, on how a particular verse from the Gospel of John, where Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me," is heard.

Obama's theological point of view was shaped by his uniquely multicultural upbringing. He was born in 1961 in Hawaii to a white mother who came from Protestant Midwestern stock and a black African father who hailed from the Luo tribe of Kenya.

Obama describes his father, after whom he is named, as "agnostic." His paternal grandfather was a Muslim. His mother, he says, was a Christian.

"My mother, who I think had as much influence on my values as anybody, was not someone who wore her religion on her sleeve," he says. "We'd go to church for Easter. She wasn't a 'church lady.' "

In his 1993 memoir, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance, Obama describes his mother as "a lonely witness for secular humanism."

"My mother's confidence in needlepoint virtues depended on a faith I didn't possess, a faith that she would refuse to describe as religious; that, in fact, her experience told her was sacrilegious: a faith that rational, thoughtful people could shape their own destiny," he says in the book.

When he was 6 years old, after his parents divorced, Obama moved with his mother and her new husband -- a non-practicing Muslim -- to Indonesia, where he lived until he was 10 and attended a Roman Catholic school.

"I went to a Catholic school in a Muslim country, so I was studying the Bible and catechisms by day, and, at night, you'd hear the Muslim prayer call," Obama recalls. "My mother was a deeply spiritual person and would spend a lot of time talking about values and give me books about the world's religions and talk to me about them.

"Her view always was that underlying these religions was a common set of beliefs about how you treat other people and how you aspire to act, not just for yourself, but also for the greater good."

Obama earned a degree in political science from New York's Columbia University in 1983 and in 1991 graduated magna cum laude with a law degree from Harvard University. Since 1993, he has been a lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School.

Those experiences, as much as his multireligious childhood, affect how he expresses his faith, Obama says.

"Alongside my own deep personal faith, I am a follower, as well, of our civic religion," he says. "I am a big believer in the separation of church and state. I am a big believer in our constitutional structure. I mean, I'm a law professor at the University of Chicago teaching constitutional law.

"I am a great admirer of our founding charter and its resolve to prevent theocracies from forming and its resolve to prevent disruptive strains of fundamentalism from taking root in this country.

"I think there is an enormous danger on the part of public figures to rationalize or justify their actions by claiming God's mandate. I don't think it's healthy for public figures to wear religion on their sleeve as a means to insulate themselves from criticism, or dialogue with people who disagree with them."

Still, Obama is unapologetic in saying he has a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ." As a sign of that relationship, he says, he walked down the aisle of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ in response to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's altar call one Sunday morning about 16 years ago.

The politician could have ended his spiritual tale right there, at the point some people might assume his life changed, when he got "saved," transformed, washed in the blood. But Obama wants to clarify what truly happened.

"It wasn't an epiphany," he says of that public profession of faith. "It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them.... I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week -- or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.

So how did he become a churchgoer?

It began in 1985, when he came to Chicago as a $13,000-a-year community organizer, working with a number of African-American churches in the Roseland, West Pullman and Altgeld Gardens neighborhoods that were trying to deal with the devastation caused by shuttered steel plants.

"I started working with both the ministers and the lay people in these churches on issues like creating job-training programs, or after-school programs for youth, or making sure that city services were fairly allocated to underserved communities," he says. "And it was in those places where I think what had been more of an intellectual view of religion deepened.

"I became much more familiar with the ongoing tradition of the historic black church and its importance in the community. And the power of that culture to give people strength in very difficult circumstances, and the power of that church to give people courage against great odds. And it moved me deeply."

Obama says he reads the Bible, though not as regularly as he'd like, now that he's on the campaign trail. But he does find time to pray.

"It's not formal, me getting on my knees," he says. "I think I have an ongoing conversation with God.... I'm constantly asking myself questions about what I'm doing, why I am doing it.

"The biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass."

Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says.

"I always have felt in him this consciousness that, at the end of the day, with all of us, you've got to face God," Pfleger says of Obama. "Faith is key to his life, no question about it. It is central to who he is, and not just in his work in the political field, but as a man, as a black man, as a husband, as a father.... I don't think he could easily divorce his faith from who he is."

Another person Obama says he seeks out for spiritual counsel is state Sen. James Meeks, who is also the pastor of Chicago's Salem Baptist Church. The day after Obama won the primary in March, he stopped by Salem for Wednesday-night Bible study.

"I know that he's a person of prayer," Meeks says. "The night after the election, he was the hottest thing going from Galesburg to Rockford. He did all the TV shows, and all the morning news, but his last stop at night was for church. He came by to say thank you, and he came by for prayer."

Obama admits it's not easy for politicians to talk about faith.

"Part of the reason I think it's always difficult for public figures to talk about this is that the nature of politics is that you want to have everybody like you and project the best possible traits onto you," he says. "Oftentimes, that's by being as vague as possible, or appealing to the lowest common denominators. The more specific and detailed you are on issues as personal and fundamental as your faith, the more potentially dangerous it is.

"The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that if people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they're going to hell."

Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell.

But he's not sure if he'll be going to heaven, either.

"I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die," he says. "When I tuck in my daughters at night, and I feel like I've been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they're kind people and that they're honest people, and they're curious people, that's a little piece of heaven."

Posted by: jgfox | May 30, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I could never vote for Barry Hussein because he has renounced his muslim faith.

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | May 30, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

This is the last straw!
Not another dime to the DNC and the elite Washington establishment supporting Obama.

We'll vote for McCain!

Obama/Wright08

Posted by: Frank | May 30, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Again...I am a stupid white boy pretending to be black...still scared of women...this is my only outlet

Posted by: Lakisha | May 30, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

white folks have ruined this country. they better wake up cause when Obama takes over the white house they will be the ones washing floors and shining shoes. just like the inventor of the peanut said, george washington carver, the black man can never be free until he gets in the white house.

Posted by: Lakisha | May 30, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Well, the new pastor, the young pastor, Reverend Otis Moss, is a wonderful young pastor," Obama responded. "And as I said, I still very much value the Trinity community."

'New Trinity pastor Otis Moss has called Biblical patriarch Abraham a "pimp" and made other statements many would consider offensive."

"But a videotape of a sermon he delivered at Wright's church shows this "wonderful young pastor" referring to "ghetto prophets" and "thug theology," calling the late rapper Tupac Shakur a "prophet," and reciting at length lyrics to Shakur's song "Thugz Mansion."

Posted by: felixinagabar | May 30, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama sounds just like Wright and Phleger! when he "brushes Hillary off" the bottom of his shoe and laughs along with the crowds.

That is soooo IMMATURE and childish!

But Obama is an Empty Suit and Hillary-hate is all he's got to peddle.
Lots of people have been duped by the "unity" candidate!

Obama and Wright are WRONG for America!

Posted by: zazzle | May 30, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Go back...

Posted by: I wanted a healthcare plan and all I got was a flag pin | May 30, 2008 2:18 PM

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Let's hope they reinstitute the draft and arrogant cowardly pinheads like you are sent to Iraq. Make sure you bring plenty of diapers. You are truly the scum of the earth.

Posted by: Jack Straw | May 30, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his hate-filled wife sat with them for 20 years. He also donated big bucks there. Any Obama supporter want to explain why he stayed there for 20 years?
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It is obvious you knoe nothing about Christian Churches. Let me educate you.

In Christian Churches members gives TITHES-a contribution of 10% of one's annual income.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I made the mistake of voting for one Born Again War Criminal Fraud, I won't make that mistake again.

Here's another Born Again Family Values, MultiDivorced, Hypocrite Fraud of the Guns Owned Party. This same dirtbag was alleged to have groped and threatend to rape a cocktail waitress in Las Vegas during his run for governor. His lawyers won that case, but we know the truth now.

Guns Owned Party of Born Again Hypocrite Frauds, Sex Fiends and Killers aka Repugnicans.

This is the same jerk that groped and threatened to rape another woman during his run for governor.

The Born Again Family Values Party is full of Sex Fiends and Hypocrite Liars.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/30/divorce-turns-ugly-for-nevadas-governor/index.html?hp

May 30, 2008, 8:25 am
Divorce Turns Ugly for Nevada's Governor

By Steve Friess

LAS VEGAS -- The governor of the state made famous in part for its quick, private divorces is now embroiled in a breakup so tawdry, so publicly spectacular and so potentially grueling that how it plays out could have implications from Carson City to the White House.

Gov. Jim Gibbons of Nevada, a first-term Republican, had hoped to minimize the publicity surrounding his divorce from Dawn, his wife of 22 years, by convincing a Reno judge to seal the records per a state law that allows either party to do so.

What he may not have expected was that Mrs. Gibbons, 54, would file her own 33-page motion to draw attention to longstanding rumors: that she believes the governor is having an extramarital relationship with the wife of a Reno podiatrist. [Full text available here as a pdf document.]

"Despite his disingenuous, shallow and transparent protestations that his relationship with another man's wife is a mere friendship, his infatuation and involvement with the other woman is the real, concealed and undisclosed reason for his voluntary departure from the marriage and from the mansion where he occasionally resides," read the filing, written by Mrs. Gibbons' attorney, Calvin Dunlap.

The scandal is alarming Republican operatives in the state who believe disaffection with Mr. Gibbons is already dooming his own re-election chances in 2010 but also could impact how swing-state Nevada goes this fall in the presidential race.

"This absolutely could depress Republicans who are already depressed," said Chuck Muth, a Republican political consultant and blogger. "This could hurt McCain's ability to hold on to Nevada. It could also affect the chances of (Rep.) Jon Porter (R-Nev.) to get re-elected."

Mr. Dunlap, in the motion filed on Wednesday, described Mrs. Gibbons as a "castaway wife" and asserted that the law allowing the sealing of divorce records is unconstitutional as it pertains to public officials.

Mr. Gibbons has repeatedly denied he is having an ongoing affair, although he has not discussed or commented on any possible extramarital relationships in the past. The Reno Gazette-Journal reported Thursday that the governor has been seen publicly on several occasions recently with the woman, including at dinner at a Reno casino on May 10 and high school play in which the woman's daughter performed on May 1.

"We've been friends for 15 years," he told the newspaper.

The Gibbonses have been married for 22 years and have a 20-year-old son. The governor's divorce attorney, Gary Silverman, declined comment.

Until their marital strife became public this spring, the Gibbonses were seen as perhaps the state's most politically ambitious couple. Mr. Gibbons served as a congressman for five terms, the last eight years of which Mrs. Gibbons served in the Nevada Assembly. She failed to capture the Republican nomination to take her husband's seat in Congress in 2006, a campaign that drew criticism from those wondering why she wouldn't prefer to stay in Nevada and serve as first lady.
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Now it seems Mrs. Gibbons is intent on remaining first lady despite the divorce, refusing to move out of the governor's mansion in Carson City. Mr. Gibbons has been living since April in the couple's Reno home despite state law that requires him to live in the residence provided him and in the state's capital city.

"I believe that both parties have entered what could be considered to be mutually assured destruction," Republican political consultant Steve Wark said. "It appears that they both want validity in their positions and Dawn's unwillingness to leave the mansion is ironic since she ran for Congress based on the fact that she did not want to hang out being the first lady. It's all very weird."

Mr. Dunlap insisted the explosive filing this week was not intended to harm the governor's political career but that "you'd have to be a dummy to realize that there aren't implications beyond the divorce itself for her and for him."

"She's in political arena on her own as well as he is," Mr. Dunlap said. "There are implications beyond the divorce in all of this but when you have everything out in the open, the truth is served, the public knows, democracy is served and all that. We're not doing any of this for political purposes. I'm doing this for the best interest of my client."

Yet the new filing also makes reference to several controversies involving the governor leading up to and since his 2006 election. Mr. Gibbons was accused in October 2006 of assaulting a cocktail waitress in a Las Vegas parking garage weeks before the election, a charge he denied. Mrs. Gibbons' decision to stand by her husband was credited as critical to his winning the close election.

In Mrs. Gibbons' filing, she states that the waitress bears a "striking resemblance" to the woman she believes is her husband's mistress and noted that the waitress, "like his wife now, was trashed" by Mr. Gibbons' operatives.

Dunlap hinted that more information about the couple's shared political life may yet come to light.

"This is a divorce action and it has to do with matters considered in a divorce," he said. "Some of the stuff that he's become embroiled in would become irrelevant, but other matters might be relevant."

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

No matter how he tries to play it down, we see over and over the character and actions of the type of people who support obama. The bottom of the barrel. No wonder people were chased out of the caucus and obama's people gave him the vote.

Posted by: Marge | May 30, 2008 2:26 PM
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Marge take your lard butt home and feed Homer

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I was there too but I disagree with you so what you tryna say b**ch

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

excuse me, but what exactly is Obama apologizing for? because some priest gave his views on US history at the church that Obama attends? as if he has any say over who speaks there or what they say? get a life, folks.

Posted by: eomcmars | May 30, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I think society is bored of the racism issue of "the poor black man" God knows I am ...

Posted by: Christine Panama City Florida
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Just as tiring of the "poor white woman who isn't allowed to change the rules in midstream and cries sexism" Lord knows, that is a bore too...

Posted by: Felix in a bar | May 30, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Elmer Gantry is alive and well and preaching to our next(?) prsident's congregation on the southside of Chicago. And they're eating it up.

And Obama wants to pretend he doesn't know the way these people think? I don't think so. If you want to take charge, you ought to start by taking responcibility for lying down beside the people you've been hanging out with for the past 20 years.

Gore 2008.

At least he is a statesman (unlike faux-Bama) now that he's gotten out of the political game.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

No matter how he tries to play it down, we see over and over the character and actions of the type of people who support obama. The bottom of the barrel. No wonder people were chased out of the caucus and obama's people gave him the vote.

Posted by: Marge | May 30, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is that Pfleger's audience loved his racist rant, as they did Wrights. Obama and his hate-filled wife sat with them for 20 years. He also donated big bucks there. Any Obama supporter want to explain why he stayed there for 20 years?

Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Why am I angry? My vote does not count (Florida) and the DNC's arrogance is a turnoff. I am a long time Democrat and have never voted anything other than a straight Democrtic ticket, but I do not and will not support Obama. I am not a racist, poor, uneducated, or bitter as the Obama supporters state in these blogs. I respect your choice, but am sick of being called names because I do not share your views. Go back and read the comments. They are filled with hate, arrogance, and plain old stupidity. Each of us has the right to our opinions, but to stoop to calling me a racist or a fool because I disagree with you, only makes me more determined not to support Obama.

Posted by: angry female | May 30, 2008 2:21 PM

Yeah, NO MORE NAME CALLING. ITS THE WEEKEND. SMILE. TRUCE.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I think society is bored of the racism issue of "the poor black man" God knows I am ...

Posted by: Christine Panama City Florida | May 30, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

It was kind of comical to see this priest perform. Next time I'm in Chicago, I plan on checking out the show. Who knows, maybe there was a grain of truth to his message.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

More hatred and racism spread by Obama's friends. And he continues to apologize and say they do not represent him. Is his entire administration going to be one apology after another? A wise person once said that you become like the kind of people you associate with. Looks like Obama has quite the list of racists filled with hate as his inner circle of friends. And so you want him to be your president, huh? Good luck, Obamacans - the DNC will get quite the surprise come November.

Posted by: Mack | May 30, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

You need to watch Fox, instead of the Hussein networks, CNN and MSNBC. You wouldn't appear so uninformed and non-thinking.


Posted by: Chief
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No, to appear that uninformed, Chiefie, I would have to sniff the anal fumes you enhale from Hannity...that is, if you can get your nose out of that crack long enough.

Posted by: Chief GI Joe comes with kung fu grip | May 30, 2008 2:16 PM


You guys are funny. I needed a laugh. Seriously. We have loss our sense of humor.
These blogs are getting too bitter and negative.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Why am I angry? My vote does not count (Florida) and the DNC's arrogance is a turnoff. I am a long time Democrat and have never voted anything other than a straight Democrtic ticket, but I do not and will not support Obama. I am not a racist, poor, uneducated, or bitter as the Obama supporters state in these blogs. I respect your choice, but am sick of being called names because I do not share your views. Go back and read the comments. They are filled with hate, arrogance, and plain old stupidity. Each of us has the right to our opinions, but to stoop to calling me a racist or a fool because I disagree with you, only makes me more determined not to support Obama.

Posted by: angry female | May 30, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

have been to Iraq, where have you been?
A**hole.

Posted by: bnw
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Go back...

Posted by: I wanted a healthcare plan and all I got was a flag pin | May 30, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I have been reading this blog all day. The opinions are great.

Good luck to your favorite candidate.

Have a good weekend.

Posted by: greg | May 30, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Extra! Extra! Person says something controversial that tenuously can be linked to candidate! Blogosphere runs amuck!

Posted by: Goombay | May 30, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how long it'll take the Obama-loving New York Times to pick up this story? Where's the press when there's a story to report against they're liking ... evidently nowhere if it disagrees with their top flight "journalists" like Maurene Dowd and Frank Rich, and the editorial board. If McCain gets elected, we have the likes of those folks for Hillary-bashing instead of doing their job vetting the candidates properly. Take off your rosy-colored glasses for god sakes!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

So the preacher man was telling the truth but I would like to know how all of this stuff ends up on camera in a church anyway? Makes you wonder if the clinton camp hasn't had someone placed in the audience with a camera since the time HRC decided to run for president. If someone in the audience isn't taking them then the church is handing over church video from their cameras. I'm wondering how much the Clintons paid the preacher man to say all of that stuff about her right before another election?
Talk about guilt by assoication. The clintons are full of that:http://ak-elections2008.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Mem | May 30, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

You need to watch Fox, instead of the Hussein networks, CNN and MSNBC. You wouldn't appear so uninformed and non-thinking.


Posted by: Chief
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No, to appear that uninformed, Chiefie, I would have to sniff the anal fumes you enhale from Hannity...that is, if you can get your nose out of that crack long enough.

Posted by: Chief GI Joe comes with kung fu grip | May 30, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how few people seem to notice that Michael Pfleger is not a member of Trinity UCC, nor is he on the pastoral staff. Michael Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was appearing at Trinity as a guest speaker. The Obamas are not now, and never have been, among his parishioners. It also is amazing that Senator Obama is called upon to apologize for and denounce any and all offensive comments by any and all people he has ever known. And as for his association with Pfleger, Pfleger is a very visible person whom virtually every politician and community activist in Chicago knows. Should Mayor Daley (who, unlike Obama, is Catholic) be called upon to issue hysterical denunciations of Pfleger or be voted out of office? Obama is held to standards of personal association that are unknown for anybody else in American politics.

Posted by: Michelle Bobier | May 30, 2008 1:59 PM

Yes, true. But right now the squawkers would rather not let facts get in the way. They'll throw in as many hot-button words as they can, knowing how well that's worked over the last 8 years. They'll start in with their Muslimophobia and other nonsense as well any minute now. Sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

P*sses you off doesn.t it. We have been taking it from you for months. No more. Brownie. You'll take it or run. Why don't you leave a name? Scared Brownie?

You have a long time to listen til Nov. It is going to be fun watching the Hussein fall. heh heh.

Posted by: Chief
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Real tough on a website, aren't you, Chief small balls? LOL!! Maybe you should fly into Iraq and beat the Al Quaeda with your bare fists.

You haven't been taking anything, you whiny beyotch
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I have been to Iraq, where have you been?
A**hole.

Posted by: bnw | May 30, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Anyone notice that members of Trinity love to jump up and down when they he anti-white remarks.

THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM FOR OBAMA. HE IS A MEMBER OF THAT CHURCH.

Posted by: Vote for Hillary or McCain | May 30, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Patty:
"Try and stop calling the people who don't automatically vote for Obama racists and bigots or uneducated fools."

That's their stock-in-trade method of "winning".

Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Michael Pfleger was on Obama's campaign staff too boot.

Posted by: No to Obama | May 30, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Check with FOX??!?!?!? LOL!! you would know about being a non-thinker on a non-issue, troll...

Posted by: Chief dumba$$ checking in - give big wampum to McCain
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Typical Hussein Brownie wussy. Hillary give this person some balls, Hussein can't. He don't have any either.

Yep Brownie, if you got your nose out of Huissein's butt you wouldn't have this crappy, vile and venomous attitude toward Hillary.
Are his sudden stops hell on you non-thinking Brownies?

You need to watch Fox, instead of the Hussein networks, CNN and MSNBC. You wouldn't appear so uninformed and non-thinking.

Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I will never ever vote for Barack Obama, even if he is the last democrat on earth.


I truely believe he is racist like lots of member of Trinity Church

Posted by: John | May 30, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I almost forgot, my ancestors fought, and DIED, in the Civil War for the North. So before you go accusing all white people of ancestral racism, try studying your history books as well as your "spiritual" ones.

Posted by: chris | May 30, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse


I'm a Democrat, but I can't vote for this sum-bish Obama..

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

P*sses you off doesn.t it. We have been taking it from you for months. No more. Brownie. You'll take it or run. Why don't you leave a name? Scared Brownie?

You have a long time to listen til Nov. It is going to be fun watching the Hussein fall. heh heh.

Posted by: Chief
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Real tough on a website, aren't you, Chief small balls? LOL!! Maybe you should fly into Iraq and beat the Al Quaeda with your bare fists.

You haven't been taking anything, you whiny beyotch...

Posted by: Chief Smells like B.O will kick yer arse!! | May 30, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The congregation jumped up and down with glee in their hate "whitey" glee behind Pfleger. Once again we see the world that Obama, his angry hate America wife and his two daughters lived in. To attend such a racist, white-hating church for 20 years absolutely means you approve of such. Obama now says he's disappointed with Pfleger's words. You're disappointed with a bad cup of coffee.. but then racism has accounted for much of his support, so what more can one expect. Obama is a disgrace to America. Too bad.

Posted by: Billw | May 30, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

A standing ovation for this "holy man?" His retoric is strait out of the Tailban's "How-to" book. And he is yet another "spiritual adviser" to the man who wants to "lead the free world?" Give me a break!

You know, racism cuts both ways, and this individual ... and those applauding him ... and those who failed to stand up to him at their own peril (in their own church for gods sake!) when it was happening (the way Rosa Parks did alone on a bus) demonstrate racisms repugnance all too well.

Over the course of my life I have had many African American friends, just as I have been the witness and the object of racial assaults by black individuals against white people. These people applauding at Trinity Church remind me of the people who stood by (in front of a grade school while their children were being let out) while I was mugged by three black guys and cut with a knife. No one, not one in the crowd of 50 or 100 people, called the police ... or even yelled at the muggers to set a principle in front of their children. Nor did ANY of those who stood by and watched come up to me afterward as I stood there with my hand against my bleeding neck.

Maybe you think I'm making this up, but I'm not. No police sirens. No helping hand ... even after it was safe because the muggers had ran off with my money. They, all the black people about, some standing within ten feet, just let it happen. Not one Rosa Parks in the whole crowd. I swear to god, it felt like I was watching a movie about the ills of humanity.

FTR, I however (perhaps foolishly) have, despite being strait, intervened directly when a group of 6-8 white thugs from the suburbs came to Greenwich Village on a "Fag Bashing Outing." So I think I have the right to speak on this sort of behavior, perhaps a little more so than Mr. Obama and his fellow parishioners ... from their pews and pulpits.

You know, as a white teenager at school in Harlem in the 1970's, I remember one day a year that every kid like me watched out for ... in abject fear. It was called "Kill Whitey Day." Literally, that's what they called it (people, I expect, like some of those applauding in this video). And it wasn't just at our school. I had friends all over NYC who knew about "Kill Whitey Day." We watched our backs, some of us stayed home (especially the white girls) and we didn't go out alone if we were in the "wrong" neighborhood. FTR, MANY of my black friends didn't partake and stood side-by-side with the white students ON THAT DAY, at their own peril and ostrization by other blacks, to provide cover for the white students. I remember that like it was yesterday. There were some very scary moments and people got physically hurt (white and black).

This atrocity of the Black Community still goes on today. Just Google it if you doubt me.

So, before anyone, black or white, and especially the members of Trinity Church Congregation (who have actually done so many good things for their community, black and white) start throwing stones from their pulpit, again, maybe they should stop and hold a mirror up to themselves. But of course, they would have to stop clapping to do so.

And while we're at it, let's not give Mr. Obama a free pass to the White House on this. His attempts to ... pretend he didn't know, ... wasn't there at the time ... or his failure to recognized on balance the double-edged sword of such bald-faced prejudiced ... are ringing hollower and hollower. His abstract tangential obfuscation in Philadelphia was a classic debating trick to change the conversation when you can't win on principle. Fine talk there Mr. Obama, but I wouldn't want you at my back in a street fight. Talk is, after all, cheap, and safe (unless you want to be president, as it turns out).

If Mr. Obama didn't know, he should have. He wants to be the "uniter" president, after all, (like our current president before he got into office, ugh!). And, his denials of having similar racist beliefs (which I fully expect are true) would be much more valuable if he had taken a stand on principle at the time, ... instead signing these "Pastors" onto his campaign team and waiting until after he had no choice but to respond. Crisis management 101, get in front of the story. Don't your campaign people know the rules of the game? You're going to be going up against Swift-boaters for god's sake!!!

Frankly, at this point I cast Mr. Obama's revisionist behavior in the same mold as Mr. McClellan. Wanting it both ways is hardly what I call "change" in a politician.

If Obama wanted my support (a white liberal North-Easterner with a masters degree, FTR), he should have spoken up at the time, pro actively, instead leaving it until he had no choice and so much to lose. ...Oh, if he could only whitewash the past, but that's not the way statesmen are elected, nor the way they should behave.

As for me, I'm writing in Al Gore so at least I CAN live with my conscience.

Posted by: chris | May 30, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"Associations have to count! You have a choice who you hang around with! If my children are hanging out with questionable people... I let them know that I don't approve and I discourage it anyway I can. I know that if I let them hang out with them long enough then they will turn out the same way. If in highschool you hung out with people that used drugs, then the probability was greater that you too used drugs. I could go on but anyone has to know that associations show what kind of person you are and speak deeper than anything you can hide or cover up.

Posted by: 1paperclip"

I understand what you are saying. However, I personally find that that is not SIMPLY the case at all times. People do mature as individuals, and there is only so much that parents can do to raise their children. Eventually, children will have to experience and form opinions of their own, and parents will have to trust that they've done all necessary to encourage their children toward the approved path. Speaking from experience, but also as a witness to others like myself, I know that people would be wrong to apply that rule in the general sense, simple and solid. I have various friends, and I am pleased to have attracted these people. I also see good in them, and I will be there to encourage that good in them, and simply to be around when needed. I have plenty of "those" people, and by my faith, I believe I am to love them as I would like to receive it as well. I believe I am to be humble, and I am not above them in any sense. I believe my choice to accept them as they are, as my Christ has accepted me....I believe that says something truly wonderful about my character. By my actions, may my God bless others around me, but work through me. Yes, it's wonderful. I see that wonder in Obama. God bless him. God bless everyone else =)

Posted by: Obama2008 | May 30, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I have a couple of points:

1.) I don't think people who vote for Hillary are racists. She certainly has qualities that we look for in a president. She has led the Legal Services Corporation, has been a partner in a law firm, was an amazing First Lady, is very strong. There are reasons to like her.
2.) I do think that when a quarter of her supporters in Kentucky and like 20% of her supporters in WV say that race played a part in their decision to vote for her, we should take that at face value. They voted for Hillary because she is white. And, it was true in Pennsylvania, too. She even acknowledged it in describing her supporters.
3.) With respect to these pastors and priests that keep throwing Obama under a bus, I would just say that it's unfortunate. The viewpoint is one that I can sort of grasp -- entitlement based on ancestory -- but it's not one I agree with. I feel I worked hard to get to where I am -- and that my grandparents or great-grandparents weren't slaves really doesn't impact whether I had to work hard to get to where I am.

Posted by: teo in St. Paul | May 30, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how few people seem to notice that Michael Pfleger is not a member of Trinity UCC, nor is he on the pastoral staff. Michael Pfleger is a Catholic priest who was appearing at Trinity as a guest speaker. The Obamas are not now, and never have been, among his parishioners. It also is amazing that Senator Obama is called upon to apologize for and denounce any and all offensive comments by any and all people he has ever known. And as for his association with Pfleger, Pfleger is a very visible person whom virtually every politician and community activist in Chicago knows. Should Mayor Daley (who, unlike Obama, is Catholic) be called upon to issue hysterical denunciations of Pfleger or be voted out of office? Obama is held to standards of personal association that are unknown for anybody else in American politics.

Posted by: Michelle Bobier | May 30, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I know she never said it but a campaign where most of his supporters say doesn't use race certainly call Hillary supporters racists bigots and uneducated fools constantly. DO we need to go back and look at the reaction the voters of West Virgina got from Obama supoprters to see what the latest mantra is from his campaign?
Perhaps I should not have included it in her response but I am tired of hearing he doesn't use race when it has been the main reason he is ahead in many places.
Funny though how you seem to be so critical of others but can't even have the decency or courage to post some form of id with your posts.

Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:51 PM


Voters in WV said themselves in exit polls that race was a factor in their choice. So that's really a non-starter.

(and nice try, "Patty", but I'm really not into internet dramas. Decency has to to with not trashing people anonymously or otherwise, and unlike you, I've trashed no-one.)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse


suppose anybody that supports Obama has to take crap from foul-mouth hot tempered loud mouths like you and chief eh Patty?

Not me...I am not running for president or running from bigots like you!
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P*sses you off doesn.t it. We have been taking it from you for months. No more. Brownie. You'll take it or run. Why don't you leave a name? Scared Brownie?

You have a long time to listen til Nov. It is going to be fun watching the Hussein fall. heh heh.

Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

But guarantee it will be these wacked out preachers that will cause Obama from having a serious run.

Like it ot not, this is his church of 20 years.

This stuff is so great you can't make it up, beats SNL by a mile.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 1:47 PM

Chevy,

The wacked out preachers only give you an excuse for not voting for someone you were not going to vote for anyway. Got it? Say hello to Sean Hannity for me.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

To whoever wrote his:
nd excuse me, Patty, but where in this report do you see any indication that Obama has had a "20-year friendship" with Father Pfleger, who was merely a guest speaker at Obama's church?

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It is at the site of ABC with Jack Tapper where I first saw it. I don't go to Fox so I don't know what they have. People have posted links there to articles from the Chicago newspapers discussing that Obama first met Pfleger when he first went to Chicago in 1985 and how they have such a close relationship, etc. This is not just any visiting priest. Obama also used him and flew him out to some religious conference he was putting on to speak there, and had him on his website but yesterday he was scrubbed.

Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

You won't find it in the MSM. Check Fox. They do write about Hussein, not just Hillary like CNN and MSNBC. Hussain has even given quite a bit in earmarks to Father Pfieger. You sheep need to be more informed before you bash someone. Typical non-thinker?

Posted by: Chief
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Check with FOX??!?!?!? LOL!! you would know about being a non-thinker on a non-issue, troll...

Posted by: Chief dumba$$ checking in - give big wampum to McCain... | May 30, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I know she never said it but a campaign where most of his supporters say doesn't use race certainly call Hillary supporters racists bigots and uneducated fools constantly.
Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:32 PM
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Yeah...we tend to call them by the way they act.

Posted by: Chris in DC | May 30, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Senator Barack Obama's Nation Of Islam Connection Exposed!

http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/message?board.id=cubanosenmiami&message.id=46126

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I am actually a stupid white guy, with an almost pathological fear of women. Because I am unemployed, I have time on my hands (which I otherwise use to rearrange my tiny balls) to post stupid s**t on this site, pretending to be a black woman. Oh, did I tell you I am a racist too?

Posted by: Michele aka LaKiKa | May 30, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

You won't find it in the MSM. Check Fox. They do write about Hussein, not just Hillary like CNN and MSNBC. Hussain has even given quite a bit in earmarks to Father Pfieger. You sheep need to be more informed before you bash someone. Typical non-thinker?

Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 1:49 PM


Um. Their sorry record on research aside, Fox is a huge media conglomerate. How are they not the mainstream media? (e.g. "MSM")

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

You won't find it in the MSM. Check Fox. They do write about Hussein, not just Hillary like CNN and MSNBC. Hussain has even given quite a bit in earmarks to Father Pfieger. You sheep need to be more informed before you bash someone. Typical non-thinker?
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And Fox is so fair to Democrats? ...Idiot

Posted by: Chief is a moron | May 30, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I wish Fr. Pfleger would exorcize Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro. They are both possessed.

Posted by: norman ravitch | May 30, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Try and stop calling the people who don't automatically vote for Obama racists and bigots or uneducated fools.

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Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:32 PM

Actually, MiriNY never said that. You did.

Posted by: | May 30, 2008 1:38 PM
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I know she never said it but a campaign where most of his supporters say doesn't use race certainly call Hillary supporters racists bigots and uneducated fools constantly. DO we need to go back and look at the reaction the voters of West Virgina got from Obama supoprters to see what the latest mantra is from his campaign?
Perhaps I should not have included it in her response but I am tired of hearing he doesn't use race when it has been the main reason he is ahead in many places.
Funny though how you seem to be so critical of others but can't even have the decency or courage to post some form of id with your posts.

Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Now is this Wright, Pfleger, or just the typical Obama supporter who wants change and hope but tries to achieve it through ridicule and namecalling and presuming an air of superioirty because he knows better than everyone else?

Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:42 PM


...so exactly what part of the concept of knowledge offends you?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

nd excuse me, Patty, but where in this report do you see any indication that Obama has had a "20-year friendship" with Father Pfleger, who was merely a guest speaker at Obama's church?
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You won't find it in the MSM. Check Fox. They do write about Hussein, not just Hillary like CNN and MSNBC. Hussain has even given quite a bit in earmarks to Father Pfieger. You sheep need to be more informed before you bash someone. Typical non-thinker?

Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: obamalieslieslies
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This all you sad trolls have? The same sh*t that you trotted out last month...and the month before that?

Hey, I guess it beats looking at the lies Scott McClellan exposes in his book. Lies that cost people their lives. Lies that McSame wants to continue...

Posted by: thank God I found my cut and paste article from rightwing.com | May 30, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

This is the best election for laughs I can recall in my lifetime. I never though possible it could get better then John Kerry being defeated by the Swift Boat Saga.

But guarantee it will be these wacked out preachers that will cause Obama from having a serious run.

Like it ot not, this is his church of 20 years.

This stuff is so great you can't make it up, beats SNL by a mile.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

The ODM is dedicated to overthrowing the legitimate democratic government of Kenya. Odinga is not really concerned how he achieves his objective. It matters little to him if he assumes power through a free election--or by revolution. But, by hook or crook, he is determined to become the president of Kenya. If he succeeds, he will be president for life and Kenya will become another Afghanistan.
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Sounds just like Hillary!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama's half-sister Maya admitted that her "...whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim." Because religion of any type rubbed his mother the wrong way, when he was 10, Obama's mother sent her son back to Hawaii to live with her parents. In August, 2006 US Senator Barack Obama [D-IL] made a special trip to visit a special man in Kenya. The man's name was Raila Amolo Odinga. He is the head of the National Muslim Leaders Forum [NAMLEF] in Kenya. The political party he heads is called the Orange Democratic Movement [ODM]--although there is definitely nothing democratic about his political party of NAMLEF. The ODM is dedicated to overthrowing the legitimate democratic government of Kenya. Odinga is not really concerned how he achieves his objective. It matters little to him if he assumes power through a free election--or by revolution. But, by hook or crook, he is determined to become the president of Kenya. If he succeeds, he will be president for life and Kenya will become another Afghanistan.


Posted by: whoisobama | May 30, 2008 1:37 PM

So who's or what is your source? I would like to read up on this (if true)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Something happened back here in Selma, Ala. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called 'ripples of hope all around the world.' "So the Kennedys decided we're going to do an air lift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

"This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country."

Obama told his audience that because some folks had the courage to "march across a bridge" in Selma, Ala., his mother, a white woman from Kansas, and his father, a black Muslim from Africa, took heart. It gave them the courage to get married and have a child. The problem with that characterization is that Barack Obama, Jr., was born Aug. 4, 1961, while the first of three marches across that bridge in Selma didn't occur until March 7, 1965, almost four years after Obama was born"

Obama went on to tell his audience that the Kennedys--Jack and Bobby--decided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barack Obama, Sr., to America.

The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November 1960. So, if his African grandfather heard words that "sent a shout across oceans," inspiring him to send his goat-herder son to America, it was not Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, or his brother Bobby, it was Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.


Posted by: obamalieslieslies | May 30, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Now is this Wright, Pfleger, or just the typical Obama supporter who wants change and hope but tries to achieve it through ridicule and namecalling and presuming an air of superioirty because he knows better than everyone else?

Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:42 PM
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I suppose anybody that supports Obama has to take crap from foul-mouth hot tempered loud mouths like you and chief eh Patty?

Not me...I am not running for president or running from bigots like you!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is a sore loser! Enough said...
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What does this have to do with Hillary, fool?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me Mr. Headline Writer, but where in here do you find Obama apologizing? He says he's "deeply disappointed" in Pfleger's comments, but I don't see anything in this report to indicate that Obama has apologized or should apologize for something someone else said.

And excuse me, Patty, but where in this report do you see any indication that Obama has had a "20-year friendship" with Father Pfleger, who was merely a guest speaker at Obama's church?

And excuse me "aka Lakika," but has anyone mentioned that you have a stain on your soul, revealed by the racist, hate-filled mockery of Michele Obama?

If I needed any further evidence that it's time for Hillary to get out of the race, it's the parade of ugliness in these comments.

Posted by: klaarity | May 30, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I repeat, scary!!! - You don't realize how sick you are.

Posted by: inthesameboat | May 30, 2008 1:40 PM

Take heart; at least on here it's just the same 10-15 people who post over and over again using different tags.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

In response to:


I am about at the point of saying God Damn Dems. but half do have common sense.

Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 1:24 PM

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Just not the half that anyway relate to you...idiot

Posted by: | May 30, 2008 1:32 PM

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Now is this Wright, Pfleger, or just the typical Obama supporter who wants change and hope but tries to achieve it through ridicule and namecalling and presuming an air of superioirty because he knows better than everyone else?

Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Associations have to count! You have a choice who you hang around with! If my children are hanging out with questionable people... I let them know that I don't approve and I discourage it anyway I can. I know that if I let them hang out with them long enough then they will turn out the same way. If in highschool you hung out with people that used drugs, then the probability was greater that you too used drugs. I could go on but anyone has to know that associations show what kind of person you are and speak deeper than anything you can hide or cover up.

Posted by: 1paperclip | May 30, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize there was this much ignorance in our society. Scary.

Posted by: Inthesameboat
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Your ignorance is quite scary because there are so many just like you out there. We are not running for the POTUS. We are not using those friends to trash fellow acquaintenances. Fool.

This fool is using surrogots to attack his opponent in church. His church. Understand?

Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 1:31 PM
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I repeat, scary!!! - You don't realize how sick you are.

Posted by: inthesameboat | May 30, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Black Democrats now support Barack Obama 90+%. Is this the message you have for non-black Democrats?

Sorry, this isn't about guilt by association.
This is about -- I just don't want to be in the same Party as these people.

I was already planning on writing in Hillary Clinton's name if she's not on the top of the ticket. These kinds of revelations about the candidate who promises he can unite us just helps me seal the deal.


Posted by: Jan | May 30, 2008 1:22 PM
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Blacks as a minority have to vote for Obama when you got 85 percent of a population white.Power is in numbers dope. Ok, so now you have determined that Obama is a racist. Ok, so imagine he becomes President, WHAT IN YOU FEEBLE MINDS DO YOU THINK HE WILL DO? And more, what will you do? I really want to hear you responses because these entries are getting old.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"WILL HILLARY DENOUNCE THE WORDS OF PRO-HILLARY PASTER, THE REVEREND JAMES DAVID MANNING OF HARLEM who said about Obama

"His African-in-heat father went a-whoring after a trashy white woman. He was born trash. I said he was born trash. I didn't trash him. I'm speaking the truth about him. Now, once again, I am a diplomat, but I'm not a compromiser. I got a word in my mouth! I said I got the Word of God in my mouth, and God's not afraid of Obama or anybody else or Ted Kennedy or that little Caroline or anybody else!"

Posted by: Emmanuelle"

Can provide a source for that? I'm not in on "scoring points" on "Team Hillary" (notice I used the quotes), but I am curious. I'd simply like to see it for myself. I'll do some research. Thank you for providing a name, at the least.

Posted by: Obama2008 | May 30, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Try and stop calling the people who don't automatically vote for Obama racists and bigots or uneducated fools.

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Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:32 PM

Actually, MiriNY never said that. You did.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama's half-sister Maya admitted that her "...whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim." Because religion of any type rubbed his mother the wrong way, when he was 10, Obama's mother sent her son back to Hawaii to live with her parents. In August, 2006 US Senator Barack Obama [D-IL] made a special trip to visit a special man in Kenya. The man's name was Raila Amolo Odinga. He is the head of the National Muslim Leaders Forum [NAMLEF] in Kenya. The political party he heads is called the Orange Democratic Movement [ODM]--although there is definitely nothing democratic about his political party of NAMLEF. The ODM is dedicated to overthrowing the legitimate democratic government of Kenya. Odinga is not really concerned how he achieves his objective. It matters little to him if he assumes power through a free election--or by revolution. But, by hook or crook, he is determined to become the president of Kenya. If he succeeds, he will be president for life and Kenya will become another Afghanistan.


Posted by: whoisobama | May 30, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama's father and stepfather were devout Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. His stepfather, who had a much greater impact on Obama's upbringing, was a radical Wahabbi Muslim. Obama's mother, his material grandmother and grandfather were all atheists. Obama's mother married Lolo Soetoro, a Wahabbi extremist who lived in Indonesia. When Obama's mother moved to Indonesia--before she married her second Muslim husband--she enrolled her son in Francis Assisis Catholic School. He was enrolled as a Muslim because he was a Muslim. The enrollment form required each student to choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when enrolling: Buddhist, Catholic, Hindu, Muslim, or Protestant. Had he been a lifelong Christian, or even a recent convert, he--or his mother--would have circled Protestant.
The registration meant that during the third and fourth grades, Obama learned about Islam for two hours each week in religion classes. The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque." (Something else Obama claims he never did.) Obama, who belongs to a church that teaches that the Muslims of the world were wronged by both Israel and the United States, cannot afford to be labeled as a "Muslim" by voters who expect the United States to win the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan where their sons and daughters are being killed by Muslims. His mother's tutelage leaned towards Islam only because her new husband was an ardent Muslim--and he demanded it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I am about at the point of saying God Damn Dems. but half do have common sense.

Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 1:24 PM

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Just not the half that anyway relate to you...idiot

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I have to respond to this:
But the central point is this. The pastor spoke the truth. Obama has never cast his message in terms of race. It was the Clintons who cast him as the black candidate.................
....The cold hard fact is Bill Clinton can walk down my suburban street w/o incident. If Obama did people would call the police. His skin color defines him as the other & the Clintons shamelessly did this.

Posted by: Miri NY | May 30, 2008 1:19 PM
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Who was introduced into this race at a big rally by Oprah Winfrey as the second coming of MLK? Would that be Hillary?
Who has called more false cries of racism than ever before? Sorry, but that is the Obama campaign due to fairy tale spins, Jesse Jackson winning decried as racist, his co-national chairman Jesse Jackson Jr. asking why Hillary can cry for herself but he never saw her cry for the black victims of Katrina, (and I could go on.)
And you have the nerve to say the Clintons are responsible for racial hatred. Try and stop calling the people who don't automatically vote for Obama racists and bigots or uneducated fools. Then think again before you try and claim that Obama has never used "race" in his campaign.

Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Pfleger apologizes, says his words were inconsistent with Obama's message"

Isn't this guy shameful at all that what he did is inconsistent with Christ's message?!

What kind of church is this...obviously one without love of one another.

Posted by: Tim | May 30, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize there was this much ignorance in our society. Scary.

Posted by: Inthesameboat
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Your ignorance is quite scary because there are so many just like you out there. We are not running for the POTUS. We are not using those friends to trash fellow acquaintenances. Fool.

This fool is using surrogots to attack his opponent in church. His church. Understand?

Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize there was this much ignorance in our society. Scary.

Posted by: Inthesameboat | May 30, 2008 1:22 PM
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So very much ignorance by people who claim to be adults with minds of their own who just happen to be angry about everything but little that has to do with them...like the economy, Iraq, outsourcing Jobs, immigration reform...you know stuff on the peripheral

Posted by: Hating on Hillary | May 30, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama was WRONG! People don't cling to their religion and guns - they cling to their hate. So sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I happen to be a black male senior citizen (73 years of age) who is pro-black but not anti-white. My favorite black of all time is Malcolm X. However, I have never been more ashamed of my own people as I am during this presidential campaign. It's as if the Clinton administration never existed. An administration that helped employ more minorities and remove from poverty more minorities than all previous administrations put together.

He appointed more minorities to cabinet positions than all prior administrations put together. He established the 100,000 new cops program which helped reduced crime, particulary in minority neighborhoods. He established a commission that helped end black church bombings. He established his post-presidency office in the capitol of black America, Harlem. In doing so, that community benefited greatly and has had positive growth ever since.

I can understand young blacks being so inspired and anti-Clinton. Some of them were 10 years or less when Bill Clinton became president and do not know of any of the facts I just recited. But you older brother and sisters are supporting Obama with your asses and not your brains.

Posted by: Bruce Kenney | May 30, 2008 12:48 PM

I understand your sentiments Bruce, but we are using our brains and you are using your ass. Bill Clinton introduced NAFTA and sold out our country under you nose and now young blacks are out of work. Besides, that was then, this is now. Bill Clinton is not Hillary Clinton. President Johnson if any removed from poverty more minorities than all previous administrations put together.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Gun-Toten White Cracker | May 30, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Pfleger sounds like a typical Obama supporter.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The Spanish assasinated 100's of Dutch lords during the Spanish incuisition but that was due to Spain not aproving of protestants and wanting them wiped out. The jews dealt with a similar fate. I don't think that you can call what Pfleger and Rev Wright preach as religion. The IRS should really check out these churchs since they want to be considered political tools and as such should not get a tax exemption. Wouldn't that make them piss their pants!

Posted by: 1paperclip | May 30, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

What stupid posters. Both these fools, Wright and Pfieger made a personal attack on another candidate, not just America. Forget America, lots of folks bash America. Everyone has that right. Personal attacks are supposed to be above Hussein. There is a pattern of his using surrogots to attack Hillary. He started the attack at the MSNBC debate and it's been continuous since. This guy is scum of the lowest level. Wright and Pfieger are Hussein surrogots. No question. Hussein has apologized for Wright's God Damn America, not for his attacking Hillary. He may talk saintly. but you condone, you are guilty.

I am about at the point of saying God Damn Dems. but half do have common sense.

Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Ayers-Isn't he a professor at the university of chicago? Shouldn't his students be guilty of associating with a domestic terror.

Father Pfleger-He was a visiting priest, right? Shouldn't members of his congregation be guilty of associating with him also. Even his two adopted children, right?

This is ridiculous. How many people do each of us have in our live and come into contact with at meetings, on boards, at social gatherings, etc. GET A GRIP AND GROW UP!

I didn't realize there was this much ignorance in our society. Scary.

Posted by: Inthesameboat | May 30, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

This is just how Obama and Phleger talk to radical liberal America when they think no one is listening!

Phleger gave vent to exactly the self-loathing hatred in his heart!

Obama said exactly what he meant when he talked down about blue collar white Americans to a rich gay San Francisco Democrat gathering, saying blue collar whites are bitter and turn to God and guns instead of liberalism.

Haven't you listened to the last Obama apology you ever want to hear? Aren't you sick of Obama's apologies?

Posted by: DaTourist | May 30, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

What disturbs me in these videos is Barack Obama's congregation.

Is this really what the sermons sound like in black churches? Why would people in a Christian church ridicule another human being from the church's pulpit?
Is this how Black Democrats picture Jesus Christ's preaching?

Where is the love, forgiveness, mercy, peace, unity that both Jesus and Barack Obama talk about?

Is this the type of sermon that he's comfortable with his two young daughters listening, or would he have walked out?

Why do we witness these people in the background clapping and cheering and high-fiving these vile, divisive, unhelpful, belligerent, personal attacks, especially in their churches?

These are the same people who clapped and cheered Jeremiah Wright's "GD America" sermon. Are we expected to have something in common with these people?

Black Democrats now support Barack Obama 90+%. Is this the message you have for non-black Democrats?

Sorry, this isn't about guilt by association.
This is about -- I just don't want to be in the same Party as these people.

I was already planning on writing in Hillary Clinton's name if she's not on the top of the ticket. These kinds of revelations about the candidate who promises he can unite us just helps me seal the deal.

Posted by: Jan | May 30, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Bruce Kennedy. I don't understand either why Hillary only gets 6% of AA support when the Clintons have DONE more than anybody in this country for a long time to benefit AA community.
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The Clintons were exposed in their long-running exploitation and reliance on minority votes. No group was more loyal to them than African-Americans; and in the end, like everyone else, African-Americans realized that the Clintons are frauds, disloyal to the core, cynical to their finger-tips, and finally, finally, returned the favor.


In April 1985, Governor Bill Clinton signed Act 985 into law, making the birthdates of Martin Luther King Jr. (the preeminent leader of the civil-rights movement) and Robert E. Lee (the general who led the Confederate army) state holidays on the same day. Of course, the word "segregation" never passed Clinton's considerable lips, but the (uncoded) message he was sending to certain of his white constituents could not have be clearer. His support for the Lee day seems as bad -- if not worse -- than a gaffe at an old man's birthday party and Lott's opposition to an MLK day.

Posted by: Emmanuelle | May 30, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

to:
Emmanuelle | May 30, 2008 1:16 PM

Has Hillary been a member of this Reverend's church for 20 years and used him as her spiritual mentor and guidance?
Has Hillary been a personal friend of his for 20 years?

If the answer is yes, then she owes him a denouncement. If the answer is No, and she has no connection to him whatsoever other than he says he supports her, then she has no need whatsoever.

Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Religion was invented to keep the poor from killing the rich.

Posted by: T. S. Elliot | May 30, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is a sore loser! Enough said...

Posted by: starr-1950 | May 30, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Why you all dissin on my man? I's nose hes 1/2 white and I'm breeding da cracker out his black azz fir sure.

Now I axe you, wont you love Obama more once we get the cracker out of him?

I also removed that cracker name his momma gave him calling him Barry. What kind of name is dat for a black man?

Also, when I's becomes 1st lady I's be paintin da WH Black. I also be pimpin out da Lincoln bedroom for da brothers. Pimpin out dat white chracker Hillary being Bill doesn't do her. Atleast she'll be makin some money. Damn cracker

Da West wing? Dat's where I really goto work, takin down dose Honkey pictures of Washington, Jefferson,etc. Damn Honkeys

I be hangin up pics of da brothers. Farrakhan, Sharpton, Jackson, day be da real leaders.

Michele Obama

Posted by: Michele aka LaKiKa | May 30, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Again, Barak Obama apologizes, and, again, we chuckle, "sure he does."

Posted by: rannrann | May 30, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

First of all it is getting ridiculous. If there's a mugging in Chicago where Obama chooses to live is he responsible.
But the central point is this. The pastor spoke the truth. Obama has never cast his message in terms of race. It was the Clintons who cast him as the black candidate.
Those of us who are white enjoy privileges we do not even recognize. We are not going to be killed, arrested, frisked, suspected, denied entry to premises because of our skin color.
The cold hard fact is Bill Clinton can walk down my suburban street w/o incident. If Obama did people would call the police. His skin color defines him as the other & the Clintons shamelessly did this.

Posted by: Miri NY | May 30, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but Obama PROMISED AMERICA he would be the Great Liberal Religious Messiah, the bridge to religious America, and Obama's religious shoes just keep falling and falling and falling!

So, tell me, white Americans, just which rich guilty privileges are you willing to forfeit for the approval of the Obamaniacs?

Posted by: DaTourist | May 30, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh my..Obama is "disappointed" in Pfleger's remarks...so this is the first time in your 20+ year friendship that he has chosen to speak this way? Sorry, but I wasn't born yesterday to believe that!
Seems the Priest can only apologize with the kind that Democrats love to deride republicans for -the kind that says "if" I offended anyone. So to all those who loved his rant and support Obama already, he isn't speaking to you. He's only sorry that perhaps he got caught by other non Obama supporters. So does that mean Obama supporters are being classed in the same vein as him and Wright because they will excuse this behavior as funny or true? I wonder how all those Hillary supporters feel now with your attempts to ridicule them for months and now want them to let bygones be bygones and join in getting Obama elected after hearing this little nugget??? I know how I feel about Obama and his 20+year friends and spiritual advisors but unfortunately if I ut it n writing my post would be removed if I did.

Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

WILL HILLARY DENOUNCE THE WORDS OF PRO-HILLARY PASTER, THE REVEREND JAMES DAVID MANNING OF HARLEM who said about Obama

"His African-in-heat father went a-whoring after a trashy white woman. He was born trash. I said he was born trash. I didn't trash him. I'm speaking the truth about him. Now, once again, I am a diplomat, but I'm not a compromiser. I got a word in my mouth! I said I got the Word of God in my mouth, and God's not afraid of Obama or anybody else or Ted Kennedy or that little Caroline or anybody else!"

Posted by: Emmanuelle | May 30, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Emman writes:I am Hispanic and I agree with most everything that the Priest had to say. I know many Hispanics that have said the same things.

You cant have people talk like that preacher. I'm a minority also and this kind of talk is good for no one. Its angry and mean. We need to understand each other , not make fun or look down at each other. There are new generations of white ,latino, blacks who need a chance to work together. People who talk like this preacher plants the seeds of hate for this generation. Its bad, just like the racists of the past. Dont let yr anger make you agree with bad people like Pleger , Wright and Farakhan. "Blessed are the peacmakers", Phleger ang Wright sow hate, not peace.
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You forget to mention Hagee, Parsley, Farwell, Robertson, etc.

Why?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS INDEED PETULANT, ARROGANT MISOGYNIST! WATCH L.A Times/YOUTUBE'S

"OBAMA GIVES THE F!NGER TO HILLARY" Posted the day after his pathetic performance in Pa. He went on stage in N.C. and gave a speech whining about how "the kitchen sink and buffet...were thrown at (poor) me"...and complained ad nauseam about the fact that he couldn't take the heat at the debate once the tables were turned and he had, at last, to responnd to media questions about his character and associations.

Then he paused, SMIRKED, lifted his mid-finger and 'scratched' his cheek clearly 'flip-offing' Hillary--pausing long enough to see the audience 'clue in' to his dirty little gesture! Then wild applause by his followers. See it for your sexist enjoyment! You'll love it!

This man is a crypto-misogynist if ever there was enough. And that is how he shows respect for his fellow (female)Senator!!!

Posted by: Fla.4u | May 30, 2008 1:06 PM
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You are really reaching....

Posted by: Hillary Who? | May 30, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Hillary08

---you are so right

Posted by: snapplecat | May 30, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

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UTICA -- When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

But as the former Clinton pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.

http://www.uticaod.com/homepage/x1637676857

Wow! How come I never heard of this? I quess Hillary is a Pedophile too by association right?.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Responding to random points:

ARGUMENT: The Trinity members are no more racists than Catholics are pedophiles.

RESPONSE: I haven't yet seen a video of people standing up in a Catholic church applauding acts of pedophilia. It is something that has happened, but it is not something that is supported by church members. Further, the wrongs of certain Catholic priests don't make these racist sermons right. That's sick logic.

ARGUMENT: Obama isn't responsible for what people around him say.

RESPONSE: Obama is responsible for participating so strongly in the church that promotes and accepts this sort of vitriol as "truth." And, of course, the people claiming Obama's not responsible for what his wife and friends say couldn't be the same ones trying to hold Clinton responsible for what her husband and friends say, could they?
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Posted by: Lynn | May 30, 2008 12:35 PM

Actually, that's a false comparison. Catholics in general know about the abuse--and its coverup--by priests, but does their continued attendance at Mass make them responsible for it? No. Does their attendance make them automatically accepting of all Vatican policies, or everything any given priest or lector says? It can't possibly, since many obviously practice birth control...and I'm pretty sure not every Catholic out there agrees that homosexuals should burn in hell.

So, why would individual Trinity members be any different?

No one (who isn't just trolling) is saying that what these "priests" have said is right; but Obama is not responsible for these because he didn't say them, (and for that matter, this had nothing to do with the campaign in any case) and clearly isn't in agreement with them. That simple.


Your last response is completely unrelated to this whole preacher flap, so I'm not feeding the troll on that one.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

WILL HILLARY DENOUNCE THE WORDS OF PRO-HILLARY PASTER, THE REVEREND JAMES DAVID MANNING OF HARLEM who said about Obama

"His African-in-heat father went a-whoring after a trashy white woman. He was born trash. I said he was born trash. I didn't trash him. I'm speaking the truth about him. Now, once again, I am a diplomat, but I'm not a compromiser. I got a word in my mouth! I said I got the Word of God in my mouth, and God's not afraid of Obama or anybody else or Ted Kennedy or that little Caroline or anybody else!"

Posted by: Emmanuelle | May 30, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Emman writes:I am Hispanic and I agree with most everything that the Priest had to say. I know many Hispanics that have said the same things.

You cant have people talk like that preacher. I'm a minority also and this kind of talk is good for no one. Its angry and mean. We need to understand each other , not make fun or look down at each other. There are new generations of white ,latino, blacks who need a chance to work together. People who talk like this preacher plants the seeds of hate for this generation. Its bad, just like the racists of the past. Dont let yr anger make you agree with bad people like Pleger , Wright and Farakhan. "Blessed are the peacmakers", Phleger ang Wright sow hate, not peace.

Posted by: snaplecat | May 30, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse


I think this pretty much ices it for the campaign ads they're cooking up over at Republican headquarters.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

>>>The White working class doesn't support Obama. That's also exit polling data.

No, the White working class in APPALACHIA don't support Obama. White working class in Iowa, Oregon, and other states like him just fine.

Posted by: Chaos | May 30, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Hillary 08

Great Post, you have my respect.

Now back to havin some fun

Posted by: Gun-Toten White Cracker | May 30, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

From the day this country began it has been in a state of "becoming". Through the blood and sweat of millions it is "becoming" a country that continues to change the lives of millions of people of all races for the better.
Mocking whites, condeming America, and ridiculing religion, or gun ownership, shows a lack of historical perspective. We are not and do not act or think exactly like our ancestors.
I truly question the Illinois senator's impartiality when it comes to decisions and policy. The influence of 20 plus years in the presence of people like Wright, Pfleger and his congregation will surely have influence on his thinking.

Posted by: MrRex | May 30, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse


Is that a church or a tax-exempt meeting hall for racist moonbats?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I happen to be a black male senior citizen (73 years of age) who is pro-black but not anti-white. My favorite black of all time is Malcolm X. However, I have never been more ashamed of my own people as I am during this presidential campaign. It's as if the Clinton administration never existed. An administration that helped employ more minorities and remove from poverty more minorities than all previous administrations put together.

He appointed more minorities to cabinet positions than all prior administrations put together. He established the 100,000 new cops program which helped reduced crime, particulary in minority neighborhoods. He established a commission that helped end black church bombings. He established his post-presidency office in the capitol of black America, Harlem. In doing so, that community benefited greatly and has had positive growth ever since.

I can understand young blacks being so inspired and anti-Clinton. Some of them were 10 years or less when Bill Clinton became president and do not know of any of the facts I just recited. But you older brother and sisters are supporting Obama with your asses and not your brains.
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Thank you Bruce Kennedy. I don't understand either why Hillary only gets 6% of AA support when the Clintons have DONE more than anybody in this country for a long time to benefit AA community.

Posted by: Hillary 08 | May 30, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Gun-Toten White Cracker | May 30, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"So this is Obama's view of church?

When does the "unity" start?"
Jp

How about Obama and Clinton make a deal:

Hillary stops talking about ASSASINATING her opponent
in return
Barack will try to control the mouths of preachers who support him. Or go to a nice safe church where society's ills are never discussed.

Posted by: Let's make a deal | May 30, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Between now and November, there will be an assortment of spotlight-craving folks who will use Obama's position to make a name for themselves. Senator Obama is only responsible for his own words and actions. Let's get past the guilt-by-association strategy so that we may move this nation forward.

Posted by: Barbara Campbell | May 30, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS INDEED PETULANT, ARROGANT MISOGYNIST! WATCH L.A Times/YOUTUBE'S

"OBAMA GIVES THE F!NGER TO HILLARY" Posted the day after his pathetic performance in Pa. He went on stage in N.C. and gave a speech whining about how "the kitchen sink and buffet...were thrown at (poor) me"...and complained ad nauseam about the fact that he couldn't take the heat at the debate once the tables were turned and he had, at last, to responnd to media questions about his character and associations.

Then he paused, SMIRKED, lifted his mid-finger and 'scratched' his cheek clearly 'flip-offing' Hillary--pausing long enough to see the audience 'clue in' to his dirty little gesture! Then wild applause by his followers. See it for your sexist enjoyment! You'll love it!

This man is a crypto-misogynist if ever there was enough. And that is how he shows respect for his fellow (female)Senator!!!

Posted by: Fla.4u | May 30, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS INDEED PETULANT, ARROGANT MISOGYNIST! WATCH L.A Times/YOUTUBE'S

"OBAMA GIVES THE F!NGER TO HILLARY" Posted the day after his pathetic performance in Pa. He went on stage in N.C. and gave a speech whining about how "the kitchen sink and buffet...were thrown at (poor) me"...and complained ad nauseam about the fact that he couldn't take the heat at the debate once the tables were turned and he had, at last, to responnd to media questions about his character and associations.

Then he paused, SMIRKED, lifted his mid-finger and 'scratched' his cheek clearly 'flip-offing' Hillary--pausing long enough to see the audience 'clue in' to his dirty little gesture! Then wild applause by his followers. See it for your sexist enjoyment! You'll love it!

This man is a crypto-misogynist if ever there was enough. And that is how he shows respect for his fellow (female)Senator!!!

Posted by: Fla.4u | May 30, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Good Sermon -- all true. Good Churches -- all American. Good Country -- Free to Say and Do. Good People -- Black, White, Red & Brown. Good Contest -- Real Choices this Time. Real Issues -- Poverty, Crime, No Healthcare, War in Iraq, Rich getting Richer. What to Do? -- Vote.

Posted by: Another Tent Meeting Tonight | May 30, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

you folks are idiots!
Most of the anti Obama posters, pro Hillary supporters and plain bigots can't see past their own hate to understand the truth.
Lynn IMO your wrong and a bigot just like Lakika. Now does that mean everyone you associate with are the same? If you run a red light will the cops give your friends the ticket?
Entitlement is real on both sides and people hate b/c they are disinfranchised. THINK..

Posted by: priceisright | May 30, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What strikes me about Obama's church of 20 years is the way his fellow members in the congregation jump around like a pack of wild animals whenever the anti-whitey talk starts up.


Posted by
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Sort of like the anonymous 'tard base at any desperate attempt to sideline his inevitable nomination, right loser?

Posted by: Obama '08 | May 30, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Gay4Chicago: Your are making the assumption that the topic of every sermon was anti-white. Unless you sat in those pews for 20 years you would not know.

Furthermore (if you'd actually watched any of the sermons) the topic of racial equality came up frequently, racism, mostly perpetuated by whites is a part of the topic of racial equality. For a church whose members are mostly black to not address these issues is disingenuous at best and negligent at worst.

Just because there is a discourse on racial equality in a church does not mean it is reverse-racism or anti-white.

The distinction is this:
Trinity church talks about racial equality and the issues surrounding it (albeit while trying to entertain) They are not an "anti-white" church.

racial equality does not equal anti-white.

Posted by: JR | May 30, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

So this is Obama's view of church?

When does the "unity" start?

It has become clear that this is a political organization. Their tax-exempt status should be revoked.

Posted by: jp | May 30, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse


IT'S TIME FOR OBAMA TO QUIT THIS RACE

Obama sat in this racist church for 20 years

Rev. Wright and Pfleger served in Obama's campaign

Wright and Pfleger are spiritual mentors of Obama

Obama is raising his family in this racist church

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The Panelman:

I absolutely understood all that you have said in your lengthy post. For some posters here, I'd say it could have served as an intro towards a Sociology course, Ethics, and you included the grand finale of The Creator! Great Job!!! You get the nod =)

Posted by: Obama2008 | May 30, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Well if Obama is out to unite the country, he's off to a bad start.

Many have said that Hillary is a polarizing figure, while some of that is within her control, much of it is outside her control.

Same with Obama. He can only go so far in his talk to unite the country.

It takes two to tango. You can say it's not his fault, and you would have a point. But the hard facts are that you'll be signing up for four more years of divisiveness.

Because our national differences are greater than any one person.

Posted by: Comment | May 30, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I am Hispanic and I agree with most everything that the Priest had to say. I know many Hispanics that have said the same things.

I think the outrage comes from some white people who think they know SO, SO much about black and brown people and their community. How many times have you heard a person on noncolor tell you what people of color think?

Is like they're experts in what goes on in the black and brown communities but NEVER lived or NEVER visited them.

They are outraged because they realized that they do not know everything.

I guess you don't know as much as you think.

Posted by: Emmanuelle | May 30, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse


What strikes me about Obama's church of 20 years is the way his fellow members in the congregation jump around like a pack of wild animals whenever the anti-whitey talk starts up.


Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA shouldn't have to apologize for
anything. He did not and has not said anything to apologize for. All these racist comments from (all those non-blacks) is mind-blowing. They can speak and talk about everything except the right thing(s). How dare them try to make Obama a racist and/or denounce him because of who he is and/or what he stands for-unity. Your whole being is dark. Your ways have always portrayed slickness, sneakiness, slizziness, deception, munipulation, and cunning--bottom line scum. You (non-blacks) have always played the race card and will continue until the earth desolves. You continue to try to blame and nick-pick anything and everything concerning Obama and/or the black race--to justify your idiotic behavior as racist. First it was Michelle then Rev. Wright, now another priest (mind you he's white--so he's racist to-becasue of his involvement with blacks-and the truth he told--excuse me, Rev. Wright spoke the truth also), next it'll be JESUS!! The BIBLE states--for everything,there is a season--WAKE-UP--it's here, no matter what you do and/or say-the plan is going to be fulfilled!!! GET A LIFE--ALL YOU HATERS, this is a NEW DAY and a NEW TIME. In closing, instead of wasting ALL YOUR UGLY NEGATIVE BURNT OUT ENERGY on OBAMA and the "race act" , try excersizing it on your own ("pedephiles, child molestors, racist haters--and all the rest that congregate your chuches SUNDAY after SUNDAY--and your lives--Day after Day in secret and dark places. You try to hide it and cover it up--SHAME ON YOU--The BIBLE says "the day of reckoning will be revealed and you will have to answer for it"...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Why is it Obama gets in trouble for just knowing some very vocal angry people? It doesn't even matter what color they are anymore. If they support him, or worked with him, and they are obnoxious in their indignation, it's somehow his fault now.

People say he's unfit to be president because of them--and that's AFTER he apologizes for even knowing these nuts.

Hillary says that she wants to count votes that she said didn't matter when she thought she was winning, that she alone gets the white votes that really count, asks everybody to think about who they would hire(not a Black guy over me, right?).

But everyone says "Gee, what is she doing?"

Finally, some dude says "Yeah, she thought it was hers, and it might not be, so she started crying", and everyone gets upset.

Not only did she start crying, she started lying about what happened on her diplomatic trips, (Remember the sweet little Bosnian girl? The kid must have dropped her assault rifle before handing Hillary the flowers, the way Hillary reports it), then she started doing shots on stage for votes (like a bar-girl), and even says that she's sticking in there just in case, you know, the black guy gets shot this month -- she said it at least twice.

And somehow the DNC doesn't just say, "Gee Hillary, you aren't representing, party loyalty, honesty, ethical behavior,or even human decency, very well. Get out."

Kieth Olbermann is called a nut when he says she's doing the wrong thing on--Memorial Day Friday.

Nobody, but a few political wonks are watching cable news at that hour on that night, anyway.

But I bet Kieth will be looking for a new job within a year, by January if Obama actually wins.

Trust me on that one.

Reverse the roles and see if Obama could get as many votes as she does with that kind of behavior.

I seriously doubt it.

Posted by: prObama | May 30, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I am Hispanic and I agree with most everything that the Priest had to say. I know many Hispanics that have said the same things.

I think the outrage comes from some white people who think they know SO, SO much about black and brown people and their community. How many times have you heard a person on noncolor tell you what people of color think?

Is like they're experts in what goes on in the black and brown communities but NEVER lived or NEVER visited them.

They are outraged because they realized that they do not know eveything.

The truth hurts.

Posted by: Emmanuelle | May 30, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by JR: I think it's time for Obama to get a new church.


I thinks it's time for the Democrats to get a different nominee.

________________________________________________

Hillary Clinton has said far worse things during this campaign and she's not some preacher from some church, it was from her own mouth and she's a candidate, but not for much longer thank god.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Why aren't they talking about Hillary's former Pastor, like they did Senator Obama's former pastor. Hillary Pastor is in Prision right now for molesting a 7 year old girl in his home. Here is an excerpt from the article.


By ROCCO LaDUCA
Observer-Dispatch
Posted Feb 29, 2008 @ 05:25 PM
Last update Feb 29, 2008 @ 05:27 PM

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UTICA -- When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

But as the former Clinton pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.

"As a minister of God, you got on the stand and you lied," Dwyer told Procanick, the 54-year-old former pastor of Resurrection Assembly of God church on Kirkland Avenue.

A jury found Procanick guilty Jan. 22 of first-degree sexual abuse and endangering the welfare of a child.

here's the link to the entire article.

http://www.uticaod.com/homepage/x1637676857

Posted by: sheila | May 30, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

FOR 20 YEARS OBAMA SAT SILENTLY AT HIS CHURCH'S PEWS, LISTENING TO THE MOST VILE HATRED AGAINST PEOPLE HE WORKED WITH AND MAYBE EVEN LOVED. YET HE CHOSE TO REMAIN SILENT AND ONLY SPOKE TO DENOUNCE WHEN IT BECAME IMPERATIVE FOR HIS OWN POLITICAL CAREER.

SO OBAMA GIVES A SPEECH 20 YEARS TOO LATE! AND ALLOWS AN OBSCENELY-GYRATING ON THE PULPIT PASTOR TO BE SEEN AND HEARD BY HIS OWN TWO LITTLE GIRLS--EXPOSING THEM TO THE TOXIC POISON...TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE FOR A CARING FATHER WHO WANTS TO BE PRESIDNET TO LISTEN TO THE WOMAN-HATING COMMENTS AGAINST HILLARY AND SHUT UP ABOUT IT. WHY DID HE NOT SPEAK UP?

WHY DID OBAMA NOT SPEAK UP AGAINST THOSE VILE COMMENTS HE WAS HEARING AGAINST SENATOR CLINTON SUNDAY SERMON AFTER SUNDAY SERMON...WHY DID HE NOT SPEAK UP AGAINST THE PULPABLE HATRED OF THE CONGREGATION? WHY DID HE NOT GIVE THEM A 'HEALING' UNITY SPEECH...WHY DID HE SPEAK UP ONLY WHEN IT BECAME POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT?


AND THEN LAST DECEMBER **DONALD YOUNG**, THE TALENTED, BELOVED GAY CHOIR MASTER AT THE TRINITY CHURCH OF HATRED, IS MURDERED BY PERSONS UNKNOWN...WHEN IS THE CHICAGO POLICE GOING TO GIVE THE PUBLIC THE FACTS....

Posted by: Gay4Chicago | May 30, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

FOR 20 YEARS OBAMA SAT SILENTLY AT HIS CHURCH'S PEWS, LISTENING TO THE MOST VILE HATRED AGAINST PEOPLE HE WORKED WITH AND MAYBE EVEN LOVED. YET HE CHOSE TO REMAIN SILENT AND ONLY SPOKE TO DENOUNCE WHEN IT BECAME IMPERATIVE FOR HIS OWN POLITICAL CAREER.

SO OBAMA GIVES A SPEECH 20 YEARS TOO LATE! AND ALLOWS AN OBSCENELY-GYRATING ON THE PULPIT PASTOR TO BE SEEN AND HEARD BY HIS OWN TWO LITTLE GIRLS--EXPOSING THEM TO THE TOXIC POISON...TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE FOR A CARING FATHER WHO WANTS TO BE PRESIDNET TO LISTEN TO THE WOMAN-HATING COMMENTS AGAINST HILLARY AND SHUT UP ABOUT IT. WHY DID HE NOT SPEAK UP?

WHY DID OBAMA NOT SPEAK UP AGAINST THOSE VILE COMMENTS HE WAS HEARING AGAINST SENATOR CLINTON SUNDAY SERMON AFTER SUNDAY SERMON...WHY DID HE NOT SPEAK UP AGAINST THE PULPABLE HATRED OF THE CONGREGATION? WHY DID HE NOT GIVE THEM A 'HEALING' UNITY SPEECH...WHY DID HE SPEAK UP ONLY WHEN IT BECAME POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT?


AND THEN LAST DECEMBER **DONALD YOUNG**, THE TALENTED, BELOVED GAY CHOIR MASTER AT THE TRINITY CHURCH OF HATRED, IS MURDERED BY PERSONS UNKNOWN...WHEN IS THE CHICAGO POLICE GOING TO GIVE THE PUBLIC THE FACTS....

Posted by: Gay4Chicago | May 30, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama wasn't qualified for the presidency before all of these videos hit the 'net. Now, anyone who takes a moment to think realizes that a vote for him is a vote against progress, unity and understanding.

Posted by: Lynn
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Oh, Lynn, shut up...like you would be any sort of expert on progress, unity, and understanding. It's bigots, GOP trolls, and thin skinned simpletons like you flooding this board in feigned outrage that led me to (again) send a contribution to the Obama campaign. Have fun campaigning for old man McSame, hypocrites...

Posted by: Lynn just fell out... | May 30, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"LET'S FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THIS ARROGANT, PETULANT, POWER-HUNGRY WOMAN-HATER!"
I'd like to see you sustain these accusations. Obama has acted with grace toward Hillary, except in the case of her multi-pronged attacks and he keeps getting blamed for things others have said.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

you gotta admit, that dude was funny as hell! that white boy had some soul! lets see how much airtime this gets in the press though, Jeremiah Wright=a month, this guy since hes white, ill say 2 days..guess its harder to air when its the pot calling the kettle black(pun intended)

Posted by: JoshtheVET | May 30, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Let's look at religion for what it really is. There are many good things about religion, mainly the universals. Taboos that are common to most faiths; murder, stealing, lying, adultery... Principles which are common to most major faiths, love, empathy, sharing, cooperation, and sympathy... There are also some bad things about religion, Theo-centrism, and intolerance for those of differing faith, which tends to dehumanize those outside your ring of superstition. It seams our natural curiosity has always led us to ponder the nature of the universe, and the meaning of life, and this is good. Through the millenniums we have devised many systems, some intricate, some simple, to explain these mysteries. Throughout time most of humanity has been too busy struggling just to survive and did not have disposable time to spend in weighty deliberation of these issues. So, a few privileged individuals with who did not have to work for a living did the contemplation for the masses. Even in traditional societies persons in these positions did not have to concern themselves with the daily struggle to survive as they were supported by the group. At some point these exalted individuals in their deliberations realized that not only could they subsist in this capacity, but they could profit, and wield extensive power over the hard working masses, and thus religion became big business. Now we have politicians/businessmen on the pulpit preaching the divisive seed of dissention and collecting vast quantities of cash.

Still there is no need to fret. God is real and can be found all around us. God is life, and as such life should be valued above all else. Science is good. It will help us to unravel the mysteries of the universe, and discover God's true plan for all. Do not dwell upon the past, understand it but realize that the forces both good and bad that have pushed us around this planet are also responsible for your very existence.

Race is an illusion. There is only one, the human race. We should concern ourselves with what is best for the species, and cooperate to achieve these things. Including saving the planet, and exploring new frontiers. The dead are gone. Life is for the living, and future generations. Let us live together, and live well.

Posted by: The Panelman | May 30, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by JR: I think it's time for Obama to get a new church.


I thinks it's time for the Democrats to get a different nominee.


Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I happen to be a black male senior citizen (73 years of age) who is pro-black but not anti-white. My favorite black of all time is Malcolm X. However, I have never been more ashamed of my own people as I am during this presidential campaign. It's as if the Clinton administration never existed. An administration that helped employ more minorities and remove from poverty more minorities than all previous administrations put together.

He appointed more minorities to cabinet positions than all prior administrations put together. He established the 100,000 new cops program which helped reduced crime, particulary in minority neighborhoods. He established a commission that helped end black church bombings. He established his post-presidency office in the capitol of black America, Harlem. In doing so, that community benefited greatly and has had positive growth ever since.

I can understand young blacks being so inspired and anti-Clinton. Some of them were 10 years or less when Bill Clinton became president and do not know of any of the facts I just recited. But you older brother and sisters are supporting Obama with your asses and not your brains.

Posted by: Bruce Kenney | May 30, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I think it's time for Obama to get a new church.

Posted by: JR | May 30, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Responding to random points:

ARGUMENT: The Trinity members are no more racists than Catholics are pedophiles.

RESPONSE: I haven't yet seen a video of people standing up in a Catholic church applauding acts of pedophilia. It is something that has happened, but it is not something that is supported by church members. Further, the wrongs of certain Catholic priests don't make these racist sermons right. That's sick logic.

ARGUMENT: Obama isn't responsible for what people around him say.

RESPONSE: Obama is responsible for participating so strongly in the church that promotes and accepts this sort of vitriol as "truth." And, of course, the people claiming Obama's not responsible for what his wife and friends say couldn't be the same ones trying to hold Clinton responsible for what her husband and friends say, could they?

ARGUMENT: Truth hurts.

RESPONSE: Yes, it does. And the truth is, it's well past time for people to stop digging up the bones of the dead to feast on their sins. Try joining the America in which white soldiers in the civil war died to end slavery, black men were given the right to vote 50 years before women, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made racial discrimination illegal. How long are people going to carry the grief of ancestors who often times aren't even their own in order to validate a sense of entitlement, or worse, anger, hatred, bitterness and violence.

ARGUMENT: Pfleger is white.

RESPONSE: And Bill Cosby is black and has been called a race traitor since his speech on the anniversary of Brown v Board of Ed.

If racism offends you, don't support it, don't condone it, don't apologize for it, don't excuse it, don't forgive it and don't socialize and go to church with it.

Obama wasn't qualified for the presidency before all of these videos hit the 'net. Now, anyone who takes a moment to think realizes that a vote for him is a vote against progress, unity and understanding.

Posted by: Lynn | May 30, 2008 12:35 PM

_________________________

You are sooo right! Thank you for saying it so well.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Errmmmm - No.

Some of my ancestors owned slaves, and they paid for it. They were disenfranchised. Their homes were ransacked and burned, their businesses robbed and bankrupted. Their children went hungry and were terrorized. They were imprisoned. Their land was taken away. They could not bear arms. For a while, they could not vote. They ended up emasculated, ostracized, and dirt poor, for their sin. And. Started. Over. From. Nothing.

That was the object of Reconstruction. It punished them, in their generation, and into the next one.

The debt was paid. In full.

The only "white privilege" is the privilege of being vilified for being white. Oh - wait - that sounds kinda like what black folks have been through...Hmmmm....

Interestingly enough, some of my slave-holding ancestors previous ancestors came to this country as indentured servants - that's a nice name for white slaves. Some of their children and grandchildren were captured by American Indians and used as slaves before finally being mated into, or adopted into, the tribe. Others of my ancestors were sold into slavery out of Ireland and Scotland, to the plantations of the Carolinas and Jamaica.

If prostitution is the oldest profession, slave trading is the second oldest, and all of humanity has been there and done that from one side or the other - and sometimes both sides of it - at one time or another.

If we are going to do *more* reparations since Reconstruction, loss of states rights so states can't legislate medical marijuana without the Feds hagging on them, and 40 acres and a mule apparently weren't enough, - then - let's do it this way:

Lets do reparations through the World Court at the Hague and do reparations for *all* those peoples held in slavery since - let's pick an arbitrary date - say - 1600. So that must also include all the sex slaves in the hareems of the Middle East, all the Mexican and East Indian slaves in the United States today, all the sweat shop slaves of the Far East - *everyone*.

And, we can tax the multi-national corporations to pay for all of it.

How's that sound. Hmmmm

Otherwise, it's just hypocrisy.

BTW- check this out http://reparationsday.com/

Posted by: abeneficiary | May 30, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Pat's right on! I watched CNN's investigation piece on Sen. Obama's Chicago politicking!!!

OBAMA'S A FRAUD. ASK SENATOR ALICE PALMER HOW HE STOLE THE NOMINATION FROM HER (his benefactor/mentor/friend/fellow African-American Activist and great Community leader in Chicago in the 90s....

LET'S FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THIS ARROGANT, PETULANT, POWER-HUNGRY WOMAN-HATER!


Vote for a real American who cares for UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE! The two guys are out to lunch.

Posted by: jo2Floridian | May 30, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Father Mike Pfleger should apologize to the Pope! Or is he just repeating the Catholic mantra..."women, stay barefoot in kitchen, don't you dare go into politics.."

Obama has incited lots of hatred with his deeply misogynist views and of course he always escapes as his minions (The AxeLords) keep making disparaging, hurtful and UNFOUNDED remarks and then have them distributed to the Media to make sure that Hillary is crucified again and again while their "precious" Saint walks on water all the way to the nomination!

Obama just can't learn...In 1996 he knocked off the ballot SEN. ALICE PALMER, with his bunch of legally trained deviants (lawyers) and appeared in court to fight Alice's nomination--based on strict rules, etc. Meantime, Sen. Palmer lost the nomination and has never gone into political office since then. She is lady, of course, and refused to comment on Obama's disgusting, UNETHICAL, shabby treatment of his black female mentor and benefactor--when he went behind her back and destroyed her nomination. It was on CNN last night! WATCH HOW OBAMA KNOCKED OFF THE BALLOT SEN ALICE PALMER, a wonderful, loved by the community activist in Chicago. She trusted this scumbag called Barack....

guess who Sen Palmer is supporting? Senator Hillary Rodham-Clinton, of course! Wonder why, eh? We don't know anything about Obama's dirty tactics in Chicago it seems. He only got his start in politics by stepping on the bodies of those who helped him, and by lying and distorting legalities...He's trying to do the same. But come Ressurection time in November, the bodies will be back to haunt this ungrateful fraud of a candidate!

Posted by: Pat | May 30, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

What strikes me about Obama's church of 20 years is the way his fellow members of the congregation jump around like a pack of wild animals whenever the anti-whitey hate talk starts up.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

When did Hillary ever say she was entitle to anything?? Would you PLEASE give me your source? Preacher boy Pfleger and Rev Wright don't qualify. I think you have been sniffing the Obama Koolaid and buying into Obama's church of brotherly hate.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

There is no way I would apologize for the hateful rantings of obviously mentally disturbed pastors. There isn't enough ink in the world to describe how I feel about these idiots.

Posted by: nleath | May 30, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Responding to random points:

ARGUMENT: The Trinity members are no more racists than Catholics are pedophiles.

RESPONSE: I haven't yet seen a video of people standing up in a Catholic church applauding acts of pedophilia. It is something that has happened, but it is not something that is supported by church members. Further, the wrongs of certain Catholic priests don't make these racist sermons right. That's sick logic.

ARGUMENT: Obama isn't responsible for what people around him say.

RESPONSE: Obama is responsible for participating so strongly in the church that promotes and accepts this sort of vitriol as "truth." And, of course, the people claiming Obama's not responsible for what his wife and friends say couldn't be the same ones trying to hold Clinton responsible for what her husband and friends say, could they?

ARGUMENT: Truth hurts.

RESPONSE: Yes, it does. And the truth is, it's well past time for people to stop digging up the bones of the dead to feast on their sins. Try joining the America in which white soldiers in the civil war died to end slavery, black men were given the right to vote 50 years before women, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made racial discrimination illegal. How long are people going to carry the grief of ancestors who often times aren't even their own in order to validate a sense of entitlement, or worse, anger, hatred, bitterness and violence.

ARGUMENT: Pfleger is white.

RESPONSE: And Bill Cosby is black and has been called a race traitor since his speech on the anniversary of Brown v Board of Ed.

If racism offends you, don't support it, don't condone it, don't apologize for it, don't excuse it, don't forgive it and don't socialize and go to church with it.

Obama wasn't qualified for the presidency before all of these videos hit the 'net. Now, anyone who takes a moment to think realizes that a vote for him is a vote against progress, unity and understanding.

Posted by: Lynn | May 30, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters,please join us in November and vote Hillary or McCain.There are 17+ million of us that voted for Hillary,we can stop this empty suit from bringing his UCC brand of unity and patriotism to the white house.Vote Hillary or McCain.
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I see you GOP Troll, you are not hiding your true self from anyone, LOL. Your candidate is weak and has his own controversies which will hear more about very soon. To get it started: Keating 5, a rehash of the cruel "joke" he told disrespecting Mrs. Clinton by using her 12 year old daughter as the punchline, which started, "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" what kind of an adult man tells such a joke about a CHILD; then there is McCain's dumping his disfigured by Cancer first wife who stood by him the years that he was a POW, for rich 20 something Cindy, throw in his flip-flopping, and his shameless pandering (Environmentalists, the Israel-Firster lobby), his unbending stance on Iraq, his voting NO on the Webb GI Bill because it won't retain enough cannon fodder for his military ambition; then consider his promised tilting of the Supreme Court to the hard right...guarenteeing that Roe v Wade goes down, not to mention that pro women positive legislation like Title 9, will probably be ruled as "unconstitutional," and certain State's Rights issues will be overturned. Yep it will be a great day if Hillary Supporters let themselves be used by the far right.
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"Here we go again......the democratic party is swinging too far to the left ..."

Oh for god's sakes, what nonsense. If Obama is far left, so is Hillary Clinton, in fact their policies are so similar that the nomination race has been reduced to arguing over which faction's candidate is more "likeable," or who appeals more strongly to certain key constituents...or how many "gotcha" moments one camp can dig up on another...


Posted by: Hold_That_Tiger | May 30, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

That made me laugh, seriously. It's really not nice, or polite. It did tickle me though, maybe because I wasn't expecting it. I would be interested in seeing a full video of that entire sermon from beginning to end, so that I can see how the overall important message was all tied together. I believe that will do more justice than bits of clips pieced together.

I can't believe Obama is apologizing AGAIN for something he is not responsible for. I say, let those responsible do the apologizing. These are adults, and they do not need Obama apologizing for them. As adults, they can stand up to their own scrutiny, and Obama can face what he is responsible for. I can't believe the headline!

Can we please ride McCain's hide for two or three months repeatedly about Hagee? Can we focus with such depth and scrutiny into this man's church? Let us get some video of what that man has been talking about. Seriously, let there not be any double standards. What's good for one, should be just as good for all of the rest.

Enough distractions! I expect the Dems to have that White House this year. '08

Posted by: Obama2008 | May 30, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone listened to Pat Robertson over the past 8 years? Not that he is worth giving even of millisecond of time to, but if you are going to criticize a presidential nominee for his religious affiliations then at least weigh him against the current president. Google "Pat Robertson and George W Bush" and see what comes up. He makes Rev. Wright look like a Boy Scout.

Poor Obama. The man cannot even go to church on Sunday without it being used for political ammunition. That's really not fair! I support Obama AND Hillary. I think either would make a great president, and as a proud Democrat I will support whoever gets the final nomination. I suggest the rest of you Democrats do the same, or get used to hearing the words PRESIDENT MCCAIN for the next 4+ years!

Posted by: CAC | May 30, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

People are so rediculous!
Republicans For Obama
http://ak-elections2008.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Mem | May 30, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

This latest lunacy is yet another argument for the separation of Church and State -- preferably on different planets. As if we didn't know already that from watching the far-right-wing Evangelicals that Bush has stuffed the Executive Branch with.

Posted by: WillytheKorn | May 30, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The crop of clergy that has been revealed as involving itself in the presidential election is evidence of why the authors of the Constitution saw fit to make sure religion did not get embedded in our government.

The cheers of their parishioners are modern day proof of what can happen when hate gets a religious leader's stamp of approval. While watching Father Michael Pfleger I was besieged by thoughts of Puritan clergy rousing their parishioners to root out the witches and burn them.

Posted by: akahidden | May 30, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"Obama will be relying on White people he's called "racists"

When has Obama called white people racists? and who?

Liar, just like Hillary

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

What people fail to realize is that what was uttered from Father Pfleger's mouth was the anabashed truth about Hillary. Her and Bill believe they are "entitled" to everything and that's why she made her "crocidile tears" appearance after she won that primary. She was playing the "poor woe is me card" and "feel sorry for me" stance. And the American public, especially white women, fell for it. I want everyone to be reminded of the disservice Bill and Hillary did for this country while he was in office. He made a mockery of our government! Plus with all of Hillary's scandals and power plays, we don't need the same repeat fiasco again in Washington. Good riddance to the Clintons' once and for all!!! Go Barack Obama!!!

Posted by: starr-1950 | May 30, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Michele aka LaKika, you are the worst kind of American citizen. It is because of people like you who prey on others with fear and hate that I will cast my vote for Barack Obama in November.

Posted by: | May 30, 2008 12:24 PM
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Like you wern't gonna do it anyway.

Posted by: 1paperclip | May 30, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Racism requires power and ignorance, prejudice only requires ignorance. African Americans, American Indians, Hispanic Americans, and Asian Americans, have no historical connection to the traditional power base in this country therefore they cannot be racist, however they can and many are prejudice which is just as distasteful but in no way as socially destructive. Prejudice is not precluded by a sense of entitlement, however Racism is.

I don't think the only recent HRC felt entitled to the presidency was because she was white, that was probably the least important factor, but she had to feel as though being the spouse of a former president was a plus, as well as the fact that she is a multi-millionaire, with many multi-millionaire friends, not to mention that given the status of the former whitehouse family, every power base in the nation maybe the world knew her and her family by name. Come on 24 months ago who was Barack Obama.

Have any of you ever voter for a black presidential candidate? I haven't.

12.5% of the population is not a majority, in this specific case the balance of power is clear, and remember

PREJUDICE+POWER*(SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT) = RACISM/ SLAVERY/ GENOCIDE/ JIMCROW

Black people cannot be racist for voting for Barack Obama because he's black.

(All the black people in this country can't elect Sen Obama into office.)

but guess what

12.5 % of racist white democratic voters can keep Sen. Obama from being elected into office, hence the power component of true racism.

White people voting agaisnt Barack Obama because he's black is racism

(Prejudice + Power = racism.)

This isn't just in America people

ie. Germany
Example: How was Hilter able to convince a nation that Jews deserved to driven from Germany or exterminated?

Answer: To some degree the basis of Hitler's premise was generally accepted by many German citizens?

Maybe some Germans felt that they were entitled to certain aspects of the German state which Jews were not.

(now, I am certain that Germans did not know to what extent Hitler would take this atrocious ploy, much like many whites in the early days of this country its likely that many had never seen any African Americans- though they weren't call that then) but the point remains

THERE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT LEGITIMIZED THE PREJUDICIAL TREATMENT OF JEWS.

The same thing legitimized slavery, jimcrow, poll tests, red-lining, segregation, the manhattan project, etc, etc.

We are just getting to the point where blacks and other progressive thinkers can't honestly express there opinions of historical race relations in this country without threat of murder or assassination.

Isn't that what it means to be an Americans
I personally feel that during the beginning stages of this nation certain group benefited from the racism in this country, your family may not have been in that group

But it wasn't because of prejudicial treatment, thats another conversation in regards to socio-economics and classism

What motivation did the KKK have to terrorize new black voters?

ENTITLEMENT

What motivation did states have to enforce separate but equal?

ENTITLEMENT

What motivation did states have to enforce Jim Crow laws?

ENTITLEMENT

Your outrage is complicit with your ignorance in your Racism, denial is a disease.

How can a White Catholic Priest be a Racist while expressing his opinion of white supremacy in this country. That doesn't make sense.

And to someones point below about HRC family beginnings. Sir its not about what white white people owned slaves, in was and is still about their ability to access everything America had to offer, while other selected groups could not do so, your family didn't have to own slaves to benefit from racism, although many did.

The notion of reverse racism is a conservative ploy which attempts to legitimize a sense of entitlement in (you guessed it) white uneducated blue collar workers AKA Reagan democrats.

The truly elite get rich while us lowly Americans argue with each other over racism and reverse racism, prejudice and reverse prejudice.

History is History POWER STILL HASN"T CHANGED

If I offended any of the posters listed below I do apologize. History is History

Lynn
cosmogenium
The Oracle
carl29
ScrewABunch of FlagPins
Susan
korubin


Posted by: Reality | May 30, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

So Louie Farrakkan REALLY WAS just the tip of the iceberg.

Great candidate, loons.

For the first time in my life I'm ASHAMED of my party's nominee..

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if people realise that this preacher is a good friend of Rev Wright and up until 2 weeks ago lead the organization 'Catholics for Obama'. Obama was seen in photograghs giving this guy a hug. Obama has some interesting friends, but we have all known for some time that this guy is only one in a long line of questionable associates of Obama. And even so, thanks to our ligeral media, Obama is very close to becoming our nominee so it is a mute point. This Catholic preacher on the other hand should be excamunicated but it probably will never happen just as the catholic church seems to be so inpotent in handling the issue with Pedofiles. Just as Rev Wright should have been kicked out of the church for promoting hate but never was. It is sad to see what churches have become in Chicago. Do they even preach the bible anymore? Or do they only bring up passages to support their hatred and justify their racism. Oh- for those who believe you have to be black to be discriminated against....how did you ever grow up being so blind and confused.

Posted by: 1paperclip | May 30, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Michele aka LaKika, you are the worst kind of American citizen. It is because of people like you who prey on others with fear and hate that I will cast my vote for Barack Obama in November.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

So Obama is apologizing for another stupid remark by one of Trinity's visiting preachers? He ought to be ashamed of himself to associate with such a motley group of people as those preaching at Trinity, his church. Obama's apology is not sincere. It is only politically expedient to apologize. So that's what he does. Anything for a few more votes in November.

Posted by: Brits Donossian | May 30, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

This is what Obama brings to the table.

I'm glad he's beating Hillary but come Nov. ole Barry will get his clocked cleaned by white America.

They'll never vote for a racist like this.

Birds of a feather flock together (Obama's Preacher).

The DEMS are toast

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

This is not why people go to Church. I don't care if it's Trinity Baptist, Roman Catholic, or a non-Christian house of worship. We go to Church to learn about God and become better people.

If such hatred and stupidity does not elevate us to God. And has not place in a house of worship.

Posted by: RightPOV | May 30, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse


You want dingbats like this hanging around the President of the United States, huh?

Kooks like Don Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft weren't enough for you?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Obama believes that; but it does indicate that that Church seems a hotbed for rascist sentiments - and raises again the issue of how he could have felt comfortable raising his children in that environment, when clearly the Church at least condoned and may have even fostered sentiments of extremism. I don't think I would want my kids getting a message like that; he's obviously a good father - but it's hard to understand how he stayed in that environment; except as I've heard mentioned, it was good for him to be a member of this church in political terms because his district was overwhelmingly Afro-American, and this church is a force there. It seems like it's all politics to me, and for him - he gives the message of being "different" but he's the same in that he's as political as the best of them - reminds me of Jimmy Carter that way.

Posted by: Liberty 1 | May 30, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has been vetted,...
Shiela

Except for the pesky little fraud case coming up in Nov. in California

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

If you take all of the credit for the good things, then you got to take all of the credit for the bad things too.

Posted by: scooby-due | May 30, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm pro-Obama. I've got anti-Obama, and pro Hillary, as well as pro Obama ads automatically placed on my blog site by Google. I've never seen an anti Hillary automatically placed on the site. Google may be making money of the Obama campaign, but it's getting money for anti Obama ads too. Isn'tthat what the free market is about?

Posted by: prObama | May 30, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

It appears Obama does his dirty campaign in the mouths of preachers that he has known for 20 years. The media still supports him. What a shame.

Posted by: Lucille | May 30, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Father Michael Pfleger, T-H-A-N-K YOOOOOU
SO MUCH for artyiculating the T-R-U-T-H !!
Hey, HRC supporters, YOU-JUST-CAN'T-HANDLE-THE-TRUTH!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mad As Hell | May 30, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

What you Obama supporters are saying is,
"Hillary, we hate you and your supporters and you're nothing but a self-centered snob with a bunch of deadhead followers." However, we do want all your votes in November. Please, don't keep a grudge.

Posted by: Della | May 30, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

This guy is White and a guest speaker, personally I found him funny as hell, but then I did hear that the church's janitor made a comment about Hillary's pant suits, oh my, Obama must denounce him!

Posted by: Su f | May 30, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"How I love the apology of IF I offended anyone..."
Steve

Are you referring to Clinton's apology for mentioning the possibility of the ASSASINATION of her opponent?

This guy is a clown preacher, she's a candidate.

Posted by: JR | May 30, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"How I love the apology of IF I offended anyone..."
Steve

Are you referring to Clinton's apology for mentioning the possibility of an ASSASINATION of her opponent?

This guy is a clown preacher, she's a candidate.

Posted by: JR | May 30, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Look folks, choose your language carefully. What the pastor is saying might be offensive to some, but it is not RACIST. Calling it racists demeans and cheapens people who suffer from real racism.

Posted by: BBaptiste | May 30, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Region and politics just don't mix.

For the good of both, we need to get politicians out of the religion business and preachers out of politics.

Posted by: David | May 30, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

LaKiKa, YOU-GO-GIRL !!!!!

Posted by: Hussien for America | May 30, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else, this political year has shown that religious nut jobs on the right and left are a polarizing influence on this country.

Agnosticism - the only rational choice.

Posted by: Matt | May 30, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"How I love the apology of IF I offended anyone..."

Hillary Clinton deserves a public apology from this Priest for WHAT HE SAID about her,AND HOW HE MOCKED HER in doing so! Nothing else will satisfy this outrageous behavior.

We are waiting also for a statement by Cardinal George of Chicago on the consequences he is putting in place for the Priest!

And, Obama? DO NOT LIE, again, about not knowing this Priest....he has made donations to your campaign AND his St Sabrina's has received earmarks from you as well....on this the word of the Chicago Times is accurate reporting.

You, Obama, never say anything wrong...the game is, get your surrogates to speak and if their statements hit the fan you can disown them. WHAT A USER AND LOSER.....NO PRESIDENTIAL QUALITIES WHATSOEVER!

Clinton or McCain in '08

Posted by: Steve | May 30, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it would be better if nobody went to church. What I'm more sure about is that candidate's religious affiliations and feelings should not be part of the political discussion.
Didn't Jesus say to pray in private?

Posted by: rps | May 30, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"Why didn't Obama become a preacher and travel around the U. S. and the world and use his rock-star abilities to unite everyone? Then he could have run for president with legitimate proof that he is a uniter. Right now, there is absolutely no proof that he can live up to that promise.

Posted by: JasonN | May 30, 2008 9:13 AM"

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You're right that we don't yet have concrete proof that Obama is a uniter. However we DO have proof that the politics of Clinton and McCain ARE dividers. We witnessed that in the 90's, which paved the way for someone like Bush, and how many times have we heard McCain tell us about how Democrats want to "wave the white flag of surrender to terrorists" and call them "tax and spend liberals?"

At least when Obama SPEAKS, he does not grab the wedges and drive them in to pit one group against the other. The closest he came was his "bitter" remark, which if examined closely, was really discussing voting patterns by those who gave up on voting their pocketbooks.

I'm not citing this as "proof" of anything, just noting the differences in present day rhetoric and past history.

Posted by: aBigSAM | May 30, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

...by the company he keeps

With friends like Resko, Rev. Wright and Father Pflegler who needs enemies? And with anymore news like this the Swift Boater's won't need to maintain a research department either. Hillary has been vetted, Barack has not.

Posted by: Sheila | May 30, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

They won't. You did say mindless right. You too, right. Mindless leading mindless. Ever wonder why we think you are mindless sheep. Nope. right? Your rhetoric gives you away.


Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 10:34 AM

...was there a point in there somewhere, or do you need to double your dosage?

If you're trying to make a point, why not try *reason*? We promise it won't hurt.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

yes we understand..we also understand he put what came out of his mouth in those big ears and him and that white hater wife of his probaly jumped up and hollered amen then jumped all round screaming, hollering, fist in air, laughing with joy about what this nut case was saying..then repeated the same stupid act again when Rev Moss his young aspiring preacher thanked this nut case for being the messeger..we understand quite well..house full of radicals with friends like Ayers the bomber who didn't like the govt.policy who bombed building and robbed and also got two armed guards killed in a bothced robbery to finance their radical cause...we understand...also friends of this so called rev. this farrakhan hate mongerof whites and called the jewisg religion gutter religion..we understand.....wjhat we don't understand is why you don't understand that America does't need this kind of person President of the United States.

Obama did not put words in this preacher's mouth. When will people understand that?

Posted by: truth1 | May 30, 2008 11:16 AM

Posted by: lucygirl1 | May 30, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Why you be messin wid my man? I had it wid you white cracker honkeys.

You all just a bunch of Bible Humpin, gun toten Rednecks.

Use jist wait till I become 1st lady. First things I's gonna do is paint the WH Black. That'll fix you white cracker inbreds.

LaKiKa

Posted by: Michele aka LaKiKa | May 30, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: tncdel | May 30, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS SO STUPID.

THE GUY WAS FUNNY!!!!

GET A LIFE.

Posted by: GETATLIFE | May 30, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Obama and Wright are wrong for America!!

Posted by: Randall | May 30, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I hope this church is not representative of most black churches in America. Until now, I have had great respect for the positive influence of black churches on their members.

Posted by: black angel | May 30, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

During a private fundraiser, Obama explained to his billionaire donors why the white working class wasn't voting for him: because they're racists, clinging to their guns and religion.

And then Obama has the audacity to complain about Hillary citing exit polling data - the White working class isn't voting for Obama.

Gee - I wonder why.

Posted by: Josey | May 30, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

the truth hurts sometimes

Posted by: Wouldn'tyouliketoknow | May 30, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Here's another real dousey of a post:

"I stopped going to the Cathlic Church years ago when it became obvious that they were not going to kick out the Pedofile religious leaders. I don't think it would have been too much to ask Obama to find a church that didn't preach this kind of hate. I certainly would not have allowed my children to be brainwashed with this garbage.

Posted by: 1paperclip | May 30, 2008 11:31 AM"

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So you instead go to one of those right wing born again Christian churches like Rev. Hagee preaches at I suppose? Where they say a lot of "hallalulas" and pass the donations basket around so they can buy more shoes for their version of Tammy Baker? Sometimes I find myself questioning why these radical born again Christians were ever born the first time.

Posted by: aBigSAM | May 30, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Y U all dissin on me man? I's Knows hes 1/2 white and I'm breeding the cracker out his black azz fir sure.

Now I axe you, wont you love Obama more once we get the cracker out of him?

I also removed that cracker name his momma gave him calling him Barry. What kind of cracker name is Barry?

Michele Obama

Posted by: Michele aka LaKika | May 30, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | May 30, 2008 11:31 AM

I checked out your site. Are you serious??? You can't always believe everything you hear. You do realise that the guy that played the incredible hulk on TV years ago wasn't taking pills to make his skin green...right??? You do know this....Right????

Posted by: 1paperclip | May 30, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

>>>>Lena - Father Michael Pfleger is a CATHOLIC priest you imbecile. He was a guest speaker at Obama's church....he's WHITE.

Obama's church just wanted to prove that White preachers can spew
Hillary-hate and racist rants too.

Cause see - Jesus just loves hatemongering and race-baiting!

And Obama's church can't seem to get enough of it.

Posted by: Lena | May 30, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Chuck,
It did not take Obama to beat Clinton, she and her husband beat themselves. They were so consumed with winning that anyone with an education could see that she would say or do anything to win. Don't blame Obama, go blame her mama for raising a liar.

Posted by: James - Los Angeles | May 30, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

It's truly unfortunate that we are so immersed in a soundbite culture, where one verbal occasion(however inappropriate or apt) defines the individual. And then those however associated with that individual subsequently share some responsibility for the comments. Here we have Senator Obama once again having to address a situation of "guilt by association."

Posted by: franka | May 30, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Here's the antidote for the lousy choices that the media has been trying to force upon us:


Vote instead for RON PAUL.


Here's why:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/29/AR2008052903261_Comments.html

Posted by: Galahad | May 30, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

>>>If you sat in the Catholic Church for 20 years, are you a pedophile or accomplice to child molesters?

You're missing the point!
Obama LEARNED to be a racist while sitting in pews in a hatemongering race-baiting church for 20 years!

Obama's character assassination of the Clintons and race-baiting is well documented!

Obama "brushes Hillary off" the bottom of his shoe - and laughs along with the crowd.

This deflects Obama's Empty Suit and "beat the B---h!" is his campaign theme.

Posted by: Chuck | May 30, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I think this is the political season of Preachers Gone Wild. Maybe Americans will now learn that religion and politics just don't mix. Neither candidate should be held accountable for the diarrhea of the mouth of the people they associate with. Just face it we all have a racist friend, whether you are black, white, hispanic, Asian or whatever.

Tolerance does not mean accepting their views but respecting their right to have views, and over time you try to change them. This is all you can do and stay sane in a society as diverse as this one.

Posted by: James - Los Angeles | May 30, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I have to admit, THIS post really got me laughingL

">>>DEMOCRATS ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER FOR SURE.

You betcha!
Most Democrats have voted for Black candidates but many will not vote for a racist who's attended a church for 20 years absorbing HATE for whites and Jews and Catholics and America and...

Posted by: Lena | May 30, 2008 11:01 AM"

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Perhaps you should re-read the article Lena. Father Michael Pfleger is a CATHOLIC priest you imbecile. He was a guest speaker at Obama's church. He's actually the pastor of St. Sabina in Chicago and a well-known CATHOLIC priest. And, by the way, he's WHITE. So if a WHITE RABII speaks there sometime and someone catches it and makes a You Tube video of it, will you be posting the same nonsense again?

Posted by: aBigSAM | May 30, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Where is Obama worshipping? The Church of Shecky Greene?? Maybe it's my Lutheran backround, but I've never such, um, interesting preaching as goes on in Obama's church.

Posted by: minneapple | May 30, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse


Well that evens it up.

So far, there have been no preachers or priests or whatever saying anything that makes sense. Either on behalf of McCain or Obama. Like one poster pointed out, millions of Catholics are preached to be against birth control and they seem more than able to ignore that. So who cares what any of these ministers say?

So where does Hillary go to church?

This magazing knows:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | May 30, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I stopped going to the Cathlic Church years ago when it became obvious that they were not going to kick out the Pedofile religious leaders. I don't think it would have been too much to ask Obama to find a church that didn't preach this kind of hate. I certainly would not have allowed my children to be brainwashed with this garbage.

Posted by: 1paperclip | May 30, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Obama "won" the most delegates by delivering college kidz to undemocratic caucuses and focusing on delegate-rich red states that will still be red in Nov.

Now - Obama will be relying on White people he's called "racists" and the Clintons to help him win crucial states he lost but needs to win in Nov.

Hillary - please step away from this racist!
Let John Edwards and other White people carry Obama.

NObama!

Posted by: Mike | May 30, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

What is going on? This is suppose to be church? Stupid me thought churches taught the bible! All this church seems to teach is racial hate and promote political candidates. Doesn't that nullify their tax exempt status?

Posted by: 1paperclip | May 30, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse


Re: "Obama sit in this church for 20 years. That's the issue."

If you sat in the Catholic Church for 20 years, are you a pedophile or accomplice to child molesters?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

To all those poor Obama supporters who are frantically trying to come up with as many excuses as they can to ignore another tirade from a Chicago priest -
This priest has known and worked with Obama since 1985 when Obama first went to Chicago
This Priest has been a long time activist.
This Priest was one Obama discussed his decision with to uninvite Wright to Obama's presidential announcement.
This Priest has donated to Obama's political campaigns.
This Priest had money sent his way by earmark projects while Obama was in the Illinois Legislature.
This Priest was flown out to participate in a faith forum put on by Obama.
This Priest is an ardent supporter of Farakhhan,
This Priest was used in a testimony on Faith on Obama's website until he was scrubbed yesterday.
This Priest has been written up about being at a gun rally in front of a legal gun seller and inciting those to drag out the gun dealer like a rat and snuff him.
**This is a 20 year friend of Obama. This is not just a visiting Priest to his Church.
And sorry, it can not be dismissed as nothing only because it is about the chosen one.

Posted by: Patty | May 30, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Any Catholics out there who've sat in church listening to the priest say all who've committed mortal sins will go to hell, and those who've practiced birth control cannot take communion? And, once again, the Vatican re-affirming its stance on the ordination of women as priests? Yet, a billion Catholics say they are still Catholics.

What little does anyone know about this projection by some in this chatterbox about 20 years in a church in Chicago, and "absorbing" whatever speech is supposed to be out there? Do the walls and plaster take in speech patterns these days? Does on simply open up the cranium and pour in the fluid as speech?

Is there no longer free will?

What is wrong with you people? Did you take in every word and syllable that your parents said in all the years of your life, and should you be held accountable for them?

Absurd, simply absurd. What a country this is, so free, so fair, so ignorant.

Posted by: John of Arizona | May 30, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I would say that 90% of these comments are more racist than anything that some pastor says. This country is going down the toilet and all you can think about is childish name-calling and very moronic statements,like "if Obama wins the nomination,I'll vote mccain".Who cares!
It's the most idiotic statement on a blog.

Go ahead and waste your vote for 4 more years of failure. When this country falls apart(wake up,it already is),who will you blame then? Because you people always blame someone besides yourselves when things turn bad. It's never your fault. Like the moron in office now,Heck of a job!

Posted by: jime | May 30, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse


With racist, sexist kooks like this, Obama's White House prayer breakfasts are going to be a hoot, huh?

Superdelegates, block his nomination!

Now!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Obama's church just wanted to prove that White preachers can spew Hillary-hate and anti-white messages too.

Cause see - Jesus just loves hatemongering and race-baiting!


Posted by: Josey | May 30, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

If Hillary was so shock about this, why did she stay with her husband when he was getting his weed whacked at the white house? (Yes, I went there)

Give me a break. She will do anything to be President. ANYTHING!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Where is the outrage for the endorsement of Hillary by Rush Limbaugh and the actions of Operation Chaos TODAY who are doing everything they can do sabotage the democratic party, and promote white supremacy?

Why did Hillary not reject and denounce the endorsement of Rush Limbaugh a known racist with a broad following on his radio show; and Bill Clinton agree to be interviewed by Rush Limbaugh on that show? There are no jews, black or latinos in that organization. These Operation Chaos recruits are openly claiming that they seek to destroy the democratic party.

These admiited racists, have joined her
campaign, and Hillary says nothing at all! In fact, she goes in the hills and says her grandfather or father was a hunter... Why do we fail to mention the white militia in the hills of Indiana today who promote white facism? They are armed to the teeth.

I believe the majority of white Americans are honest to goodness people, as reflected by the people of Iowa, but we need to call out those racists that seek to destroy the unity of our nation.

We have a right to an explanation. Why are Hillary and Bill working / conspiring with Rush Limbaugh and accepting his recruits in their campaign. Even if one thinks they do not represent a majority, i am talking about the white racist philosphy. Why is this not rejected by the Clintons?

When Obama made the speech about healing the racial divide and opening up the dialogue, Hillarys pastor and even Newt Gingrich supported it. Hillary and McCain did not. Hillary said she would step away from Rev. Wright and mentioned Farakhan. Then why does she not mention Limbaugh and step away and reject Operation Chaos recruits -- known american facists? who actively engage in a conspiracy to create chaos in the democratic party and polarize American people against one another.

Where is the media outcry and coverage of this? We allow these facist to conduct business. Yet, we point fingers to those who criticize racism and national oppression?

Posted by: Harriet | May 30, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Come on. This is beyond absurd.

On a side note: I heard that someone who knew someone that knew someone who knows a friend of a friend of Barack Obama's barber's mother's friend's uncle, says that, and I quote, "White people they they are so white."

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

black obamabot comment in another website:

"Obama is so popular that blacks will go to the bathroom while he's insight and take a deep breath".

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

rac·ism Audio Help /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
[Origin: 1865-70;

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Posted by: are you? | May 30, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

What did the preacher say that was racist?

His point was Hillary is acting as if she is entitled to the nomination. And how dare a BLACKMAN take it from her.

She has made MANY mentions of "hardworking, uneducated' white people not voting for obama.

It may have been CRUDE what the pastor said but it was CLOSE TO TRUE and very entertaining.

That being said.... Is it just me or are these PASTORS out of control... Robertson, Hagee, Wright, Fawell, etc.....

Posted by: Me | May 30, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse


Hillllllaaaaaaaarious !!!!!!!!!!! You know the Rev was speaking the T-R-U-T-H and SO MANY OF US can relate to that; hear me, NOBODY has to apologise for telling the truth as it is, politically correct or in correct !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hussien for America | May 30, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Obama did not put words in this preacher's mouth. When will people understand that?

Posted by: truth1 | May 30, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Father Pfleger was on Obama's campaign serving as a member of religious committee, so were Rev. Wright.

Obama sit in this church for 20 years. That's the issue.

And don't we need to show some respect and civility to our former first lady and a US Senator. What has this country become? Respect and decency doesn't matter anymore?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Let's see:

1) One candidate openly hopes the other will be ASSASSINATED so she can be the nominee; or

2) Some preacher makes fun of a candidate.

Which is worse?

I think it's so funny how Hillary freaks get so outraged over nothing. They are such hypocrites.

Hillary deserves the scorn and mocking because of the way she has conducted herself.

Posted by: sequoia | May 30, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Google Rakes In Campaign Contributions From Obama;

The Democratic presidential hopeful has contributed about $3.5 million in campaign spending to online performance-based ad networks this year, with $2.8 million?roughly 80 percent?going to Google..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/29/AR2008052902330.html
+++++++++++++++

That explain who's taking anti-Barry websites and links down from the net.

Google is doing in good ol' U.S.A. what they are doing in China. With millions of dollars pouring in, Google sells its sorry soul to the devil.

That's how "democracy" and "freedom of speech" is chipped away, little by little.

Thanks, Google; thanks Barry , for stepping on our rights.

Posted by: thetruth | May 30, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

We just found out 2 days ago that one of McCain's top economic advisers is Grahm. Grahm is responsible for the mortgage crisis and he is advising McCain on the economy. No one in the MSM is reporting this, and yet we are tallking about something a pastor said at Trinity when we all know Barack wasn't even there!

What Father Pfleager said doesn't affect me.. What Grahm did... AFFECTS ME AND EVERONE ELSE THAT HAS AND WILL LOSE THEIR HOMES! Just like Scott McClellan said: If the liberal media did a better job at reporting, Americans would have been better off. When are you all going to see that this is nonsense. And I'm not just talking about Pfleager or Wright...I'm talking about all pastors... Hagee, Parsley... all of them. Quit with these non-issues!

Posted by: Marie Paul | May 30, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Preachers Hagee and Parsley merely endorsed McCain.

Wright was Obama's PASTOR and MENTOR and COUNSELOR for 20 years! He married the Obamas - and they brought their children to hear Wright's racist rants.

Wright and Pfleger are or were affiliated with Obama's campaign.


Posted by: Robert | May 30, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

>>> And frankly I didn't hear anything he said that was racist about his choice of words.

Most people don't ADMIT they're racist but thanks for your honesty.

Posted by: Chuck | May 30, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I do not understand why people are angry over the comments made by pastors. Like Rev. Hagee and Parsley, they have right to free speech.

In addition, this following sentence is true and what Hillary was thinking:

"This is mine. I'm Bill's wife. I'm white and this is mine!...Then out of nowhere came Barack Obama!"
******************************************
It was funny. I laughed when I heard it. Right out of Saturday Night Live. You know this is what Hillary was thinking. So grow up. Turn off FOX and Morning Joe.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Everyone one wants their 15 minutes of fame, usually at the expense of some one else.

Isn't this intereesting that this competition has brought out all the closet racist and sexist and that those terms are thrown around so loosely that they have lost their meanings and have become just more terms for swiftboaters to throw recklessly

Posted by: nclwtk | May 30, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Everyone one wants their 15 minutes of fame, usually at the expense of some one else.

Isn't this intereesting that this competition has brought out all the closet racist and sexist and that those terms are thrown around so loosely that they have lost their meanings and have become just more terms for swiftboaters to throw recklessly

Posted by: nclwtk | May 30, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Excuse me....but this guy is WHITE! How can a white person critizising people in his own race be racist? This is the silliest thing I have ever heard!

Hillary Clinton being "shocked" about it is pathetic!

Posted by: lizzard5 | May 30, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm sick of all these "preachers," including Wright, Hagee, Father Pfleger, and so many others like them. Apparently any arrogant, bigoted, hate-mongering, misogynistic, xenophobic, racist, manipulative, ranting and raving, self-hyping blowhard can get a congregation these days. They're all disgusting.

Posted by: Debbie | May 30, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

>>>Such Hillary's thought was clarified with her RFK assassination comment.

Ahh - another Obamabot - ignorant of history.
Here's another history lesson for you - it took a president (Johnson) to implement Dr. King's dream.

But carry on pretending to misinterpret Hillary's remarks about Robert Kennedy and others.

Obama's Empty Suit campaign is based on Race, race-baiting, and "beat the B---h!"

Posted by: Josey | May 30, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The problem with this is the Pastor has been a supporter in Obama's campaign. The "swiftboaters" are jumping for joy.

Democrats are going to blow it again.

Posted by: concerned | May 30, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

There are things on multiple levels that bother me. What is said, but just as important is the separation of church and state. I really don't think the IRS is going to like it very much that clearly political statements are being made within the walls of the church. If I was that church, I would certainly be very concerned about my tax status with statements like this being made from the pulpit. Speaking of which, I'm still trying to figure out what part of the Bible was being taught during this particular sermon, either he and I don't have the same book, or his interpretation of the Bible is so twisted that I don't recognize it anymore.

WB

Posted by: WB | May 30, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

My Goodness, I see most of you men have emotions like Women, that's part of the problem right now with American men, so sensitive. Please, give me a break. Anyone that supports obama is a racist I suppose. Did it occur to you that this preacher is white. And frankly I didn't hear anything he said that was racist about his choice of words. What we did hear was a white priest telling the truth about American founding farthers going back to slavery and everything else. And if you want to turn the other cheek about America's past history then fine. But if a priest speaks the truth and you cannot take it about some issue here in America, then more than likely your border line racist yourself.


Everytime you turn around were telling Black America to get over the past. But how can they when everytime we turn around racism is brought to the forefront in all aspects of life regarding blacks like this election. Hillary Clinton using the race card and persuading other white americans to basically do the same and elect her in a subtle way.

How many people will choose not to vote for Obama just because he's black?

If this country is ever going change for the better then we as a nation must accept the bigotry that still exisits against blacks and try to change our ways. How can Blacks forget when the Bigotry against them still exist. People of all aspects of life are trying they're hardest to find anything against Obabma to dis-credit him from being elected if the people voted him in fair and square. And let's not start with the examples and tactics that Hillary's using to persuade white america to do this sort of thing. Even her true colors are realling starting to show in this election including her husband that black america helped vote in during his term.


We as all Americans must get over the past and stop hating on other ethinic groups. And if you hate any other ethinic group or afraid of any other ethinic group prospering in areas they never prospered before. Then more likely you have deep rooted issues about yourself that you dislike and cannot bare to see any other ethinic rise. Get a life and stop being a hater and a loser..

Posted by: Rinard | May 30, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Take a breath, people.

My preacher is not me. His preacher is not him. Her preacher is not her.

Get it?

Nobody has the total truth in this world. And that's the truth. All is through a glass, as if darkly.

It's all a learn as you go exercise. But if you want to excoriate someone for the words, the deeds, the acts of another, you do that only to your own detriment. That's karma.

Posted by: John of Arizona | May 30, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

>>>DEMOCRATS ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER FOR SURE.

You betcha!
Most Democrats have voted for Black candidates but many will not vote for a racist who's attended a church for 20 years absorbing HATE for whites and Jews and Catholics and America and...

Posted by: Lena | May 30, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I do not understand why people are angry over the comments made by pastors. Like Rev. Hagee and Parsley, they have right to free speech.

In addition, this following sentence is true and what Hillary was thinking:

"This is mine. I'm Bill's wife. I'm white and this is mine!...Then out of nowhere came Barack Obama!"

Such Hillary's thought was clarified with her RFK assassination comment.

Posted by: JM | May 30, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

A black man is stealing my job.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Tempest in a teapot. The problem is both McCain and Obama have preacher problems. Frankly, I find Presley and Hagee sermons far more reprehensible. If you're going to condemn Obama's ministers you need to add McCain's. McCain sought out Hagee and Presley, so stop the nonsense about the difference in the relationships.

Posted by: sferris. | May 30, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

How much did Hillary pay him for this? Great timing.

Posted by: george | May 30, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Obamabots "choose" history they want to remember.
Robert Kennedy was ASSASSINATED while he was campaigning during the 1968 PRIMARY in JUNE!!

That's history! That's a fact! and it will still be a fact and continue being used as a marker of time.
Everything is not about Obama!

Interesting that Obamabots have no trouble with Obama and Wright and Pfleger with their CHARACTER ASSASSINATIONS of the Clintons.

The Black working class supports Obama.
That's not a racist statement - but exit polling data.
The White working class doesn't support Obama. That's also exit polling data.

But only Obama's racists would interpret it as a racist statement.

Posted by: zazzle | May 30, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

THE WORLD IS WAITING FOR MICHELLE OBAMA'S "WHITEY" VIDEO. IT IS THE SAME THEME THAT PLEGGER RACIST REMARK CONTAIN.

PLEGER WAS ON OBAMA'S WEBSITE SO IT IS PART OF OBAMA'S PHILOSOPHY.


OBAMA AMERICANS WON'T VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE HE SAID, "AMERICANS ARE BITTER AND CLING TO GUNS AND RELIGION AND GAVE GREAT ANTIPATHY FOR THOSE OTHER THAN THEMSELVES."

AMERICNS WON'T VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE WE KNOW HE IS A RACIST.

AMERICANS ARE SCARED OF OBAMA. PLEGER SHOWS US JUST WHAT OUR INSTINCTS HAVE BEEN TELLING US FOR A LONG TIME. OBAMA HATES WHITE FOLKS.

DEMOCRATS ARE VOTING FOR MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER FOR SURE.

Posted by: GRACE | May 30, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse


Hillary HAS, in fact, been behaving like and entitled little brat and she has also had no problem using divisive race baiting, especially once she got desperate.

So Hillary and her deadend supporters can go cry me a river.

Posted by: Shawn | May 30, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

If McClellan's book has gifted us anything it is confirmation that the 'liberal' press perpetually has its head up its ***.

And here we have exhibit B. Please someone tell me how what Pfleger said is false and has not already been said by many on the Sunday morning shows already? GTFOH!!!

Posted by: JLlorens | May 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Calling Hillary the "inevitable nominee" was another media hit job that intended to sabotage her campaign from the beginning. I almost have to laugh off when the media claimed innocence especially CNN and MSNBC - "We were not biased, look , she started as the inevitable nominee", like that was some sort of compliment.

Hillary worked hard to earn everything she achieved. Obama had everything handed to him on a silver plater.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

...so he's not obama preacher and he's in not even obama's denomination- and this is obama's fault, we have a war and a tanking economy which is the real story.

Posted by: jacade | May 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Birds of a feather flock together.

Your true racist colors are showing BARRY!!

GD Racist!!

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 10:42 AM

Look who's talking.

Posted by: gws | May 30, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

This latest Obama Pfleger fiasco is another example of why it is critical for Hillary Clinton to remain in this race through the DNC convention in August where she can and must prevail or else the Democrats will face a landslide defeat in November if they foolishly nominate an unqualified and unelectable Barack Obama. Obama has not been fully vetted yet.

The Catholic Church should immediately condemn and defrock Pfleger. He is unacceptable. All Catholics should demand he be excommunicated.

Why are the people in Trinity church cheering on the hateful, racist diatribe of Pfleger? Obama's new "pastor" Moss in right in there cheering him on. Moss is just as bad as Jeremiagh Wright. The question remains unaswered as to why would Barack Obama choose this church? Why would Barack Obama choose to subject his own children to the racist, anti-white, anti-American, anti-semitic, pro Farakaan, pro black liberation theology of Trinity church? Obama is simply not Presidential material.

It's Hillary or McCain. Country first, party second. Character and patriotism matter.

Posted by: Jack | May 30, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

>>>>What get me about Obama's church is the way the congregation jumps around like a pack of wild animals whenever the anti-whitey hate gets stirred up.

Oh - we haven't seen anything yet!
Wait until Obama is president - or if the SDs stop taking bribes from the Washington establishment supporting Obama and finally realize he doesn't stand a chance in Nov.

THEN - Obamabots PROMISE they'll riot and boycott!

Posted by: zazzle | May 30, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse


You say Obama's church is filled with haters? Well, then let's also agree that the Catholic Church is filled with pedophiles and scum who protect them.

So no members of the Catholic church can run for or hold public office, correct?

Posted by: rev wrong | May 30, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse


What gets me about Obama's church is the way the congregation jumps around like a pack of wild animals whenever the anti-whitey hate talk starts up.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

These preachers are required to preach these hate sermons by the congregation or they could lose their job. If it makes the congregation feel better about themselves and their circumstances for a few hours each week maybe we should feel their pain. Maybe if they were paid repariations, their hate would go away.

Posted by: I understand your pain | May 30, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Mike...I dont think that you actually seen the WHOLE sermon in its content. You take bits and pieces out of someone's verbage and you have Hillary Clinton talking about ASSASINATION and OBAMA's FORMER pastor condemning something. ONLY if you know the whole content of a person's verbage will you in fact understand and comprehend the meaning.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Why did Barry change his name to Obama? What a putdown of his own mother. Ashamed of the white name she gave him.

I've had it with this racist. God help him if I ever get my hands on his racist white hating azz. He's gettin a good ole fashioned redneck whoopazz

Chevy - Educated gun owning - Bible thumping redneck and proud.

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I HAVE HAD IT!

No more apologies. No more "ministers". No more such "churches". This is not the Christian Faith that I know or have ever known. But, it is obvious now, this is what is happening in black churches all over this country. Consider my support and vote: NOBAMA

Posted by: Malcolm Fulcher | May 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama voted for Cheney's energy bill that gave HUGE tax breaks to the oil companies.
$5 gas? no problem says Obama.

Obama voted AGAINST capping credit card interest rates!
Obama says - no problem for college students financing their way through college.

Kidz are easy to dupe with "hope and change"!


Posted by: Josey | May 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse


What get me about Obama's church is the way the congregation jumps around like a pack of wild animals whenever the anti-whitey hate gets stirred up.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Preach on Father Pfleger! HA HA HA! HEH! HEH! HEH! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What did Father Pfleger say that brought about such "hatred"? From New Hampshire's primary to Kentucky's primary, Hillary has felt she was entitled to become president and in the last few weeks been discussing being the choice "white" candidate.

From what I've seen in Obama's church, you will not fall asleep in the pews as do many others. Ask Bill Clinton? Him falling asleep in the pulpit of Martin Luther King's church on King's holiday was simply funny and classless.

Posted by: AJ | May 30, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

You all need to visit a Black Church to familiarize yourself with its content, purpose, and methodolgy. For hundreds of years the dialogue has always been to preach a sermon that made sense, right? Well, 40% of what makes sense is the fact that this economy is not functioning well and the only outlet is to make a sermon into something that people can relate too. Most sermons are specific to something that is familiar. Most blacks have been degradated by the caucasian community for many years, employment opportunities, voting, education, housing and so on. Doesn't make it right but I welcome you to join them in fellowship at any church and their cry is all the same, passed down from generation to generation.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse


With racist, sexist kooks like this, Obama's White House prayer breakfasts are going to be a hoot, huh?

Superdelegates, block his nomination!

Now!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

>>>>Just tired of HATERS!!! WHAT DOES THIS CHURCH HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

The church is filled with HATERS!
Didn't you see the members laughing when Wright damns America and the Clintons and Jews and Catholics and....?

Perhaps Pelosi will appoint Wright to be the House Chaplain.

Posted by: Mike | May 30, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Birds of a feather flock together.

Your true racist colors are showing BARRY!!

GD Racist!!

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The anti-Obama comments posted on this thread by Republicans make me laugh!

This criticism is coming from a party that turned Walter Reed over to one of Dan Quayles' companies????!!!!

And put Citibank in charge of issuing our passports???!!! And has Wackenhut guards at our nuclear power plants and national monuments???!!!!

The same Republican Party that pays $100K a year to Blackwater troops, but makes our regular armed forces pay for their meals (to KBR) and to launder their uniforms on a meager $30K a year salary????!!!!

Oh, yeah, the lunatic ramblings of religious freaks is sooooo much more important than focusing on the whole country going down the toilet.

And these people want to be in charge of running things for ANOTHER 4 years? I don't think soooooo!

Posted by: thesuperclasssux | May 30, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

This is why Obama will not win.

Look at his supporters saying this is no big deal.

For heaven's sake, if the shoe was on the other foot then you know that this story would be more than just on a few sites.

Double standard. Okay.

Just because the media says Obama has won doesn't make it so.

Force Obama on the Democrats and the Democrats, Republicans, and Independents will give us anyone other than Obama.

This guy has used every dirty trick possible and remember, does anyone remember, he said he was the different one. Yeah, different because he's got the big stick of race to beat people up with plus all the other listen to what I tell you after I said what I said and I'm now telling you what I really mean to say. Ah, the refreshing candidate.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com

Posted by: Hillary is the Best Candidate | May 30, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse


Email Misrepresents Hillary's Legislative Record

3/10/2008 7:28:23 PM

There is an email circulating that grossly misrepresents Hillary's legislative record, as well as the record of Sen. Obama. (Various versions appear on the Obama campaign website here, here, and here.)

The email only gives Hillary credit for bills where she was the original sponsor and have also been signed into law. Here are the facts. In her time in the Senate, Hillary has sponsored 22 bills that have become law including:

-- a bill that extended the availability of unemployment assistance.

-- a bill which established a program to assist family caregivers.

-- a bill that provided benefits to public safety officers who were killed or injured during the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

-- a bill that protected children from injury in and around motor vehicles.

But Hillary's accomplishments in the Senate are not limited to bill sponsorships. Among her many other legislative accomplishments:

-- Hillary worked with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to expand access to health care for the National Guard and Reserve.

-- Hillary passed an amendment that created a national program for teacher and principal training and recruitment.

-- Hillary used Senate rules to force the Bush administration to make emergency contraception, also known as Plan B, available over the counter.

Meanwhile, the email gives Sen. Obama credit for every bill he introduced or signed on as a co-sponsor, whether or not they became law. The reality is, since Sen. Obama joined the Senate (applying the same standard the email applies to Hillary) he has sponsored two bills that have become law:

-- a bill that sought to promote democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
-- a bill that named a post office.

Posted by: jaylo | May 30, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

If Obama doesn't believe in what comes from the pulpit of his church, then maybe he'd better find a new church. Oh, wait a minute...that might alienate his base of support in the black community. Never mind. Better to denounce the sermons from his church than risk losing his voting block. Politics first!

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | May 30, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

This election process and equally this thread is getting to stupid for words. Comments here already made seem to resemble drunken bar-room idiots playing cards.
I will see your 2 preachers and raise you 3 pastors etc etc etc.
Get a life

Posted by: noparticularaxetogrind | May 30, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

>>>>At this point, neither candidate has WON enough pledged delegates to be called the presumptive nominee. The superdelegates will make that choice

The elite Washington establishment that supports Obama has more power to offer incentives to SDs to endorse Obama!
Dem reps can be offered more earmarks and better committee assignments.

The Clintons were never supported by the Establishment because they didn't attend their fancy dinner parties where the deals are cut before the votes are cast in Congress.

Media and Establishment candidates advance corporate interests - not the people's interests.

NObama!
Obama is an Empty Suit and a con.

Hillary is best on the issues and solutions for our country!! but the Establishment is twisting SDs arms for Obama.

Not another dime for the Dem Party!

Posted by: Tom | May 30, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse


If McCain, Hillary or Obama were Catholic, would they be held accountable for the sex abuse scandals in the same way Obama is held accountable for what's said in his church?

Posted by: ohboy | May 30, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

This is just one more red herring in a very long list perpetuated by people who think you're mindless sheep.

Prove them wrong. Don't fall for it.

==========================================

They won't. You did say mindless right. You too, right. Mindless leading mindless. Ever wonder why we think you are mindless sheep. Nope. right? Your rhetoric gives you away.


Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

First Obama said Rev. Wright's words were taken out of context - just snipets, and if we heard the whole thing, we'd understand. Then we heard the whole thing and more from Rev. Wright very clearly So...Obama cuts ties with Wright.

Now we hear similar bigoted, hate-filled words from another preacher in the same church. Obama denouces those words.

But here's the problem. Maybe it's not the preachers. Maybe it's the church and the message they preach. So, why would anyone - let alone someone running for office - associate themselves with a church like this? It's a legitimate question. And one that will not go away.

Posted by: Tony in MA | May 30, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Just tired of HATERS!!! WHAT DOES THIS CHURCH HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

read a copy of the DNC rule book for selecting delegates. this is what they'll follow in deciding the FL and MI issue:

http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/05/the-rules.html

Posted by: tomabrahams | May 30, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

braww;
"Why is there talk about racism in this arena? Why is it always a Black or White issue? Clean your mouth out with gasoline. Talk about something that is more constructive than being a HATER of many. Find something to do with your life besides humilitating it by writing such filth. Humor me by saying a kind word about Hillary and Obama. Maybe you just might throw up from all kindness being felt by many people."


Father Pfleger, is that you.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

>>>>i'm still wondering what this has to do with Obama...

Because Obama sat in pews absorbing this hatemongering and race-baiting for 20 years - and NOW emulates it on the campaign trail by "brushing Hillary off" the bottom of his shoe and laughing along with the crowds.

Just like they laugh at Obama's church when Wright humps the pulpit spewing hatemongering against the Clintons.

"Hillary ain't never been called a N----r!" - Rev. Wright, from the pulpit, Jan. 08

This is Obama's CHURCH! a church that teaches blacks to hate whites. The preachers may change - but the anti-white ideology remains!

Hillary would represent ALL Americans!

Posted by: William | May 30, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

My biggest complaint is that this priest was, like Rev. Wright, a member of Obama's campaign staff until a few months ago. It also goes along with Marjorie Valbrun's article in Newsweek, which has been edited to take out a paragraph regarding the 60's & 70's and white women sat around their kitchen tables thinking about feminism while the black maids cleaned their houses and cooked for them. I guess that was too offensive.

Sorry, but this is not the "change" I can vote for.

Posted by: Blue Heron | May 30, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Howard Wolfson, a chief spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, said the remarks were unacceptable and called on Mr. Obama to more forcefully reject the comments.

"Divisive and hateful language like that is totally counterproductive in our efforts to bring our party together and have no place at the pulpit or in our politics," Mr. Wolfson said Thursday evening. "We are disappointed that Senator Obama didn't specifically reject Father's Pflegler's despicable comments about Senator Clinton, and assume he will do so."

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Why is there talk about racism in this arena? Why is it always a Black or White issue? Clean your mouth out with gasoline. Talk about something that is more constructive than being a HATER of many. Find something to do with your life besides humilitating it by writing such filth. Humor me by saying a kind word about Hillary and Obama. Maybe you just might throw up from all kindness being felt by many people.

Posted by: Brawwneyes | May 30, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Government is corrupt because the media is corrupt. Presidents can lie to us because the media carries the message without questioning it. If Obama loses, it will be because the media focused on preachers instead of the serious problems facing our nation. The campaign of shifted focus is already underway. Washington Post at the head of the pack. Until we make the media accountable, we will never have an accountable government. Big Media is the enemy of democracy.

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | May 30, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

To all the wimps who can't handle the Democratic process for choosing a nominee:

The Democratic Party is to blame. At this point, neither candidate has WON enough pledged delegates to be called the presumptive nominee. The superdelegates will make that choice. And, they can vote any way they want. If, in their heart of hearts, they believe that the rules their party has for choosing a candidate are flawed, well, then they must choose the candidate they think can win the General Election.

It has been a long fight. But, I have enjoyed it. Presidential candidates actually campaigning in Puerto Rico. You got to love it. Remember back in high school, when your government teacher was telling stories of "smoke-filled rooms" where the real decisions were made. Let's have a Convention to remember in Denver. A floor fight. I wish.

Posted by: David | May 30, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

People around the world are laughing at us.

We can't even talk about race without being called a racist. Its used so freely these days. Is this were we are heading, backwards? We got Parsley, Hagee, Wright, Farwell, and now this guy?

Americans are so petty. I am really frustrated with this election and the childish public. Look, you all made up your minds who you are going to vote for so stop trying to change other's minds.

Posted by: Will | May 30, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Below is an article from 2004 Chicago Sun Times where Obama claims to attend TUCC "every week" and his "spiritual compass" is set by his "close confidant" Rev. Pfleger. Do NOT tell us Wright and Pfleger do not matter.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726619,obamafalsani040504.article

Posted by: PGR88 | May 30, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

>>>>The USA needs real leadership not this disaster called Barack Hussein Obama and his nuts.

Ralph - Obama wouldn't be where he is today without the elite Washington establishment propping up a newbie senator!
And yet - Obama claims he'll "change" THEM!
ha!

Also - Obama has received the red carpet treatment from the media that has supported him and concealed damaging info about him.

The media sold us Bush in 2000, the Iraq War - and now Oblahma!

Posted by: Josey | May 30, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Your headline for this is seriously misleading. Obama is not "apologizing" -- why should he, he did not say or witness Pfelger's sermon? -- it is Pfelger who is apologizing.

Headlines matter -- get them right!

Posted by: T. Skocpol | May 30, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

i'm still wondering what this has to do with Obama...

a guest speaker in his church said some stuff that is taboo to say in white america? give me a break.

you people are only focusing on this dead issue because you can't find any real dirt in Obama

Posted by: outlawtorn103 | May 30, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I would like to know how many in here have sqeaky clean associates...and associates' associates?

If anyone in here has a friend who has a friend that is racist...does that mean you're one too? Is that where we are in society?
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We ain't (pardon my grammar) running for POTUS Bonehead. This guy has a closet full of haters. Above the fray? I can list 57 known lies, even without the dozen or so of when where and how he heard Wright's comments, he has told. They're not repeated by the media like the Bosnia lie. Where is the balance.

If you take Hussein by his lonesome, he still comes up racist, and like bitter statements, bigoted. No question.

Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse


Where's the Post's Obama sycophant Eugene Robinson today?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

This is just one more red herring in a very long list perpetuated by people who think you're mindless sheep.

Prove them wrong. Don't fall for it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Souix City, South Dakota:

Hillary Clinton--"Anything Can Happen"!

Two Days before the DNC Rules Committee Meets in Washington, DC, a Four Minute Segment of Father Pfleger's Sermon for Trinity UCC is played, speaking about "White Entitlement" and Hillary's Heartfelt Entitlement to the Presidency.

Jeremiah Wright cost Obama some votes in Pennsylvania--Why not used the Tried and True method of Expose' again, like tying Obama to waffling on NAFTA a couple of days before the Ohio Primary.

So two days before the DNC Rules Committee Meets in Washington, DC, this news item comes up, and Hillary has moved her people to protest outside of the meeting a Week in Advance in order to push her case for the Presidency.

Is Hillary exhibiting a sense of 'Entitlement'?

The archives of the Bill Clinton Presidency will be released in 2012. Do you think that has something to do with Hillary's case for 'Entitlement'?

Stay Tuned! The Manipulation of Events Continues, and the Plot Thickens.

Posted by: ji_john | May 30, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

After watching this congregation praising and shouting 'AMEN" I understand why Michelle would say terrible things about America. She has been brainwashed over 20 years by these pastors of hate and a congregation that feeds on these hate sermons. When Michelle says that Amrica is mean and she was never proud of America were probably individual sermons preached that she mimics.

Posted by: Michelle never proud of America | May 30, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

And once again we see how mixing religion'
with politics is disasterous and more proof
that the Phony Democrat's New Messiah Lefty
elitist liberal liar Barack Hussein Obama
and his band of Chicago thugs and totally
whacko ministers and the crooked corrupt
DNC Leadership of Crazy Madame Nancy Pelosi
and Harry Reid and Howard Dean have just
damn well managed to cost the Democrats
the White House and control of Congress with their blattant open stealing of the
nomination for this empty suit Barack Obama. When will these out of touch with
reality kool aid drinker Obamabots and dimwit Democrats wise up and reject this
dangerous looney toons Barack Obama and
his even more dangerous thugs? The USA needs real leadership not this disaster
called Barack Hussein Obama and his nuts.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | May 30, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Ever notice in news articles? - the press includes Hillary's middle name - but not Obama's.

Now why would they include "Rodham" but NOT "Hussein"??

Will the history books ALSO omit Obama's middle name?

Posted by: zazzle | May 30, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Ever notice in news articles? - the press includes Hillary's middle name - but not Obama's.

Now why would they include "Rodham" but NOT "Hussein"??

Will the history books ALSO omit Obama's middle name?

Posted by: zazzle | May 30, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse


Clinton has now taken Kentucky ... Nevertheless, Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico are still to come.

The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive and most likely to be decided by superdelegates If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com

If you're tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support either Clinton or Obama

Posted by: Jack | May 30, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I would like to know how many in here have sqeaky clean associates...and associates' associates?

If anyone in here has a friend who has a friend that is racist...does that mean you're one too? Is that where we are in society?

Posted by: Truth | May 30, 2008 10:10 AM
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the "truth" is: none of us is running for the presidency.

the truth is: Barry keeps presenting himself as agent of change, of "hope", of doing politics "in a new way".

the truth is: he's a radical leftist, a racist further dividing this country on race, his "biography" is mythology, he has no political experience- only a made up resume.

He has to show that he is what he preaches. I guess he has shown what he really preaches.

Posted by: thetruth | May 30, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

The elite Washington establishment knows how to pick em - huh?

McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, Obama...

And Kerry tells us to support Obama BECAUSE he's a Black man!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/kerry-obama-cou.html

We're not voting for a race-baiter who learned his race-baiting skills in CHURCH!

Rev. Wright - White House Chaplain. Yikes!

Posted by: Frank | May 30, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Preview your Comment

Now how much was this guy paid to do this?
It's obvious that Obama's former pastor and church are angry that he renounced them and Rev. Wright. So they too have become part of the smear campaign to stall his candidacy. A Catholic "White" minister trying to talk like a "Brother" in that church at this time using that type of language? C'mon! If the Church cared about Obama they would not have allowed him to speak. You would think that footage would not be accessible to the media from inside the sanctuary. It was deliberate and calculated but I'm not buying it! The guy's a whacko! Do any of you really think he is rational. Remember Hillary said anything could happen. Took them long enough to orchestrate this one. This is what the Republicans have always said about the Clintons, and why they are so despised!

Posted by: Martin | May 30, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse


If it's any consolation, Obamaloons, you'll still have nearly the entire black vote in November.

Plus a handful of white crackpots.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA - STOP APOLOGIZING for people who obviously say and do whatever they feel. If we all had to make choices that come out of someone elses mouth about what they think, would the world be a much happier environment? This is insane to BLAME OBAMA for other peoples comments and how they think or feel about something. There is division among Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Green Party and Religion. Regardless to who you are or what skin color you may be. This is in fact a DEAD ISSUE!

Posted by: Brawwneyes | May 30, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I AM SO SICK AND DISGUSTED OVER THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HELPING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BETTER THEIR LIVES. A CATHOLIC PRIEST POKES FUN AT HILLARY CLINTON AND SOME PEOPLE GO BALISTIC BY HIM SAYING WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY FEEL. GIVE ME A BREAK. WHAT ABOUT LIZ TROTTA ON FOX NEWS SAYING WE SHOULD KILL OBAMA? FOX NEWS IS IN HILLARY'S POCKET AND WILL DO OR SAY ANYTHING TO DISCREDIT OTHER CANDIDATES.THEY ARE THE WORST NETWORK ON THE AIR. I AM SO GLAD THIS IS ALMOST OVER.

Posted by: irmadf9 | May 30, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Too much is coming out of that church that is against the message that Obama wants to bring. I know it is painful but he needs to dissociate himself from that church, I do not see another way. That is no environment to bring up children. It gives the wrong impression and it is fodder for racial bigots.
Posted by: gator-ron
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Is it the wrong impression to give fodder to yourself. Seems most of the race and bigotry is coming from the Hussein camp.
Every time I turn around he is chastising me about being racist. I don't hate him because he's black. I hate him because he is lots worse than Hillary. He condones every thing you Husseinuts call Hillary, even murderer. His lying makes Hillary look honest. This guy is pure BS, vile and venomous. He "ain't no saint".

"We live in the greatest country in the world, join me and help me change it" Bonehead's words. Should be his motto. What a guy.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Saying he was seeking to "expose white entitlement and supremacy wherever it raises its head," Pfleger mocked Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York...

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no good deed goes unpunished.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I would like to know how many in here have sqeaky clean associates...and associates' associates?

If anyone in here has a friend who has a friend that is racist...does that mean you're one too? Is that where we are in society?

Posted by: Truth | May 30, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

No wonder Joel Osteen's Houston church is the biggest nation.

And yes, I think Obama must denounce every racist, hateful, anti-American sermon that is given at his church. It is obvious by the audience reaction that this is not a message or tone that this congregation finds offensive. It's just beyond reason that this type of preaching was only conducted when Obama was not in the pews. You know that the Republicans have footage of Obama sitting in the pews while Rev. Wright is railing against whitey. I bet he's smiling and nodding his head in agreement. Maybe Barack even stands and mouths an amen. Yea, it would suck. But, what would suck more, is if it materialized after Obama is elected President.

Posted by: David | May 30, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I love these anonymous hysterics coming on board to whine about a visiting clergy's comments. We know why you are not voting for Obama, trolls. We cried about it, ate some Ben and Jerry's, saw a sad film, and got over it...

Posted by: Obama '08 | May 30, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

There is no comparison between preachers endorsing McCain - and Wright being Obama's PASTOR and MENTOR for 20 years!!

Obviously, Obama liked Wright's racist rants! and learned how to twist the Clintons remarks and accuse them of racism!

And in the WH, Obama would have MORE power to smear others and falsely accuse them of racism!!

NObama!

Obama will never get this Dem family's vote!!

Posted by: zazzle | May 30, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

He's white and Catholic. So he can say whatever he wants thanks to Rev. Hagee and Parsley.

Posted by: Eros Wong | May 30, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Can you see Obama in the white house with his anti-American wife, oprah and all these religious supporters of his!

This will definately be the end of America.

Posted by: Never Obama
*********************
well, if you take a flying leap, you will never have to experience it, Johnny America...

Posted by: never obama is a-scared of them blacks | May 30, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I see we've found another racist, sexist Obama campaign preacher.

Why am I not the least bit surprised?

You Obama loons are a whole new breed of cat: Affirmative-action racists.

He's toast come November. I'd be surprised if 20% of Hillary's voters support him after this.

I'll never vote for him.

Never.

Never.

Never.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Obama sat in a pew for 20 years absorbing anti-white ideology - and now spews it on the campaign trail when he "brushes Hillary off" the bottom of his shoe while laughing along with his crowds.

Obama deflects his Empty Suit with hatemongering and race-baiting!

He won't represent ALL Americans! - and yet he complains to his billionare donors that Democrats don't support him because THEY are "racists"!!
We know who the racists are!

Obama and Wright are wrong for America!

Posted by: Josey | May 30, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Obama: FAIL.

Posted by: jkp | May 30, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Whats up with UCC and Trinity ? there is something seriously wrong and scary with people who attend that church and cheer this stuff. Those redneck racists down south are bad and so are those liberal white bashing ones in Chicago. They should all be shiped to another planet. Without these racists on both sides , we may get a chance to work to live together instead of spewing hate every sunday.

Posted by: snapplcat | May 30, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Jesus would not mock or ridicule anyone. Some of these pastors have clearly lost touch with their professed calling in life. And, really, why are they making political statements?

Posted by: Max | May 30, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

what was failed to be mentioned here in >>>>>this post (as was noted in RealClearPolitics.com) that Father Pfleger is a "longtime friend and associate of Barack Obama".

Very true. And through Obama's Illinois senate office - Pfleger's church was awarded about $250K.

And he rewards Obama by spewing racist crap!
WWJD?? leave a race-baiting church.

Posted by: zazzle | May 30, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

So now Barack Obama has to apologize for everything that occurs at his church? He is the one booking the speakers and running the daily operations of the organizaton?

...

Posted by: Susan | May 29, 2008 9:20 PM

Exactly. These things have absolutely nothing to do with him.

By the logic the squawkers are using here, every person who ever received confession (yes, that would be "spiritual counseling") from a priest is then responsible for that priest's actions. Nonsense.

Come on, people. You're smarter than this. Think for yourselves...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

This is no way shape or form anything Obama believes or has stated. You cannot stop anybody from saying what they are going to say and then say they support you . You can only repudiate those statements when they come out, which is what Obama has done. Obama's advisers do not talk like that nor any of his representatives or they are gone.

Posted by: major teddy | May 30, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama continually points to his church to say - Look this is who I am.

Obama continually points to his church to say - Look this is not who I am.

Understand?

Speaking from both sides of his mouth?

Oooooohhhhh, nnnnnnooooo, nnnever Obbaaaaammmmmmaaa....yeah, that's what I say - NEVER OBAMA!

Posted by: Never Obama | May 30, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Barak should stop apologizing for the truths that others speak.

Posted by: Mark from Planet Earth | May 30, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

To all the Hillary supports:
What's the BIG deal?
Did the Father say something that hit too close to home?

You have to admit its probably what was really said between Bill and Hillary in private.

Both Hillary and Bill expected to be GIVEN the nomination without a fight. Don't forget back in December of 2007 - the nomination was pretty much written off to HER.

Maybe not the white vs black BUT definitely "I paid my dues with the political establishment and lived with Bill's girl romps, I DESERVE this" AND "THis upstart is trying to challenge me for what's mine?"

I guess the truth hurts and this is no big deal.

Posted by: Matrix3 | May 30, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Some historians claim that the term redneck originated in 17th century Virginia, when indentured servants were sunburnt while tending plantation crops.


A redneck is usually typified in popular culture by a straight male with a beer belly that consumes cheap American beer such as Busch or Miller by the case (Pabst Blue Ribbon in more traditional settings) as well as Jack Daniel's. They are generally distrustful or dislike anyone not like them or the government. The stereotypical redneck lives in a trailer, and drives an old, large, beat-up pickup truck with a gun rack in the rear window. He generally wears a stained, sleeveless t-shirt, blue jeans, and a trucker hat.

Their hair is generally worn in the mullet style, and they favor long sideburns. Personal hygiene is a lost concept with the stereotypical redneck, and what teeth they have left generally show the complete anthology of the stages of dental caries. Their favorite activities include hunting, shooting at road signs and lights, professional wrestling, NASCAR, monster truck rallies, car engine repair, collecting junked cars and large appliances on their lawns, having way too many children and dogs, participating in domestic disturbances, and waiting around for their welfare checks. Country and Southern Rock bands such as Lynyrd Skynyrd figure in as their preferred genre of music.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Its funny how Faux News was all about this Priest while Scotty McC was revealling the truth about the criminal Bush Administration.

Posted by: Im not a part of a red neck agenda | May 30, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Alesterp. Look, all I am asking for is that the the man be treated as any other candidate. Just because of his skin color, the media is treating the man as if he were the second coming. Well, he isn't. He can certainly talk a good game; but you can go to any used car sales lot and find fast talkers. Let's not give him a pass on anything. No more passes on holding joints to your lips but not inhaling, no more compassionate conservatism no more I joined the Texas Air National Guard because I wanted to fly jets and and no more he is my spiritual adviser but I had no idea he was anti-American, sexist and racist. Haven't we learned anything. This country elected GW Bush because we felt sorry for ousting GHW Bush after only one term and putting a lech into office. The media should be tough but fair. Remember, Obama will surround himself with people he knows and trusts. GW is the only President in my life-time to defer to his VP.

Posted by: David | May 30, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

This is not the first time that this "priest" has made these type of statements and Obama let him get away with it last time, because it was to Obama's benefit to do so.

Just another example of Obama faith. Isn't this christianly? Disgusting!

This is just another reason why Obama will not win this General Election even though the Dems should win.

Not with Obama. It just will not happen.

Obama is bad for our nation.

Can you see Obama in the white house with his anti-American wife, oprah and all these religious supporters of his!

This will definately be the end of America.

Posted by: Never Obama | May 30, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

In the words of the old adage, 'Show me your friends and I'll tell you what you are'. Need I say any more?

Posted by: erin | May 30, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I agree greg! Absolutely 'Hillary-ous'. It's ok for comedians to do it, but not for a Reverend.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/09/snl-spoofs-hillarys-3am-_n_90597.html


Chevy, the word redneck is generally used as a negatively racial term for white racists. You're calling yourself the "Educated gun-toten redneck". No double-standard there, huh?

Posted by: CC | May 30, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Saying he was seeking to "expose white entitlement and supremacy wherever it raises its head," Pfleger mocked Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York for appearing to weep at a campaign appearance before the New Hampshire primary in January, saying she was crying because "there's a black man stealing my show."

"She always thought, 'This is mine. I'm Bill's wife, I'm white and this is mine,'" Pfleger said in his fiery sermon.

As the racially charged congregation responded "Amen!" and "Yes, sir!" Pfleger pretended to cry and shouted: "And then out of nowhere came him, Barack Obama. And she said: 'Damn! Where did you come from?! I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show!'

"She wasn't the only one crying!" he said. "There was a whole a lot of white people crying!"

Posted by: congregation shouting amen | May 30, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

If Obama would just quit going to Church like most intelligent people, he wouldn't be having these problems! Church is for people with no wherewithal to deal with reality! Not very Presidential!

P.S. I no longer support the Easter Bunny either, have you seen the price for eggs lately?

Posted by: James Jenkins | May 30, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Think, what's so wrong about a preacher expressing what he thinks, Is not white supremacy wrong?,Are the benefits of some of our ancestors gotten on ill toward others? Should some benefits like this be lesson?, Does/did Hillary think it was a given, I'm Bill's wife, I'm white, two out of three yes. Think before you draw into your hate feeling heart, don't blame some one for other's words, do your friends speak for you?

Posted by: Larry K | May 30, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm really quite shocked that Fr. Pflegar said these things. I am from Chicago and Fr. Pflegar is well known and does alot of fund raising and work for low income residents. The Fr. Pfelgar speaking last Sunday is not the man you normally encounter around town. Having said that, they were offensive comments. You can't really attribute them to Obama, but then again, you have to question what is going on at Obama's church? I believe the saying is "with friends like that, who needs enemies?"

Posted by: Catherine, Chicago | May 30, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Obama has a direct association to these hateful pastors and church, a church that he defends and is a member of. Obama's church members are even cheering these hateful sermons on.

So far far there has been more division then uniting coming from Obama and his surrogates.

If he weren't running for President he would be whooping and hollering in the pew at the hysterical hate-mongering. Now the crazy, dorky white priest is the face of the Obama campaign.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

What is really strange to me, is that SOME, not all, caucasion people in this country have very short memories. You act as though you have never done or said anything mean and hateful, or imposed laws on people that were demeaning. 40 years ago, in the nations capital, I could not walk pass a white woman on a sidewalk, without stepping into the street to let her pass. Instead of brining religion into the fray, which was not started by Obama, but the washington political machine (to include McBush and Billary), focus on SUBSTANCE. What was the Katrina catastrophe about? Yet that was only 3 years ago, and some of you still have short memories. The US government and Israel supported apartheid in South Africa for years, so before you start throwing stones, move out of your glass house.

Posted by: Yehu | May 30, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Help me out, Obama supporters. I can't figure out how to categorize this speech for my records. Do I file it under "HOPE" or "CHANGE"?

Posted by: AK
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File it under "waste of time" right next to Clinton's continued campaign...

Posted by: now, Obama is responsible for visiting clergy... | May 30, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

The Father is a Catholic. Why are people looking to Barrack for a comment, as opposed to, the Diocese or the Pope? If I said that the Catholic Church endorsed slavery that would be a painful fact, but a fact nonetheless. As we have seen "people of the cloth" say lots of things that can be perceived as inciteful. However, THEY should be held accountable for their words, nobody else.

I am mature enough to see that. Are you?

Posted by: Concernedaboutdc | May 30, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Let's see Fox News Analyst Liz Trotta,
compares Barack Obama to Osama bin Laden then
makes a crack about killing them both.
She and Fox gets a pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4WRajuaVnY&feature=related

What she said was far worse than what the Father Fleger said. Fleger rightly apologized but Hillary Clinton did claim "hard working White Americans" for herself and according to many political writers acted as if she was entitled to the nomination.

Today she feels entitled to delegates she agreed would not be counted, from primaries she said would not count.

Posted by: MrUniteUs | May 30, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Why should Sen. Obama apologize for someone else's remarks? He didn't say those things. Why is the media so up into Sen Obama's church? I assume just looking for distractions? I and a lot of other folks feel and believe that what Father Pfleger said is true. Hillary and Bill Clinton feel they are entitled to the Presidency. The Clintons feel they are entitled to another 8 years in the White House. Why is she entitled?????? What has she done to deserve it???? Get over it as Hillary noted herself 'white working class America, the media, and older women'. Why are you still holding onto Hillary's 'entitlement theory'. We need to unite to beat McCain and 4 more years of Bush's presidency. We need to move America in another direction. An America that's not about entitlement but one of inclusion.

Posted by: AlesterP | May 30, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Why in the world would this guy say this in Church knowing he will be filmed and right BEFORE THE DEMOCRATIC HEARING ON SATURDAY knowing it would trigger stupid racist responses. Oh this is so terrible. A white man pokes fun at a white women and its racist? Oh, they did it in Obama's church before black folks. Now we can't even tell jokes. Have we come to this? Give me a break. Oh the righteous folks are upset. "They made fun of Hillary". Here we go again. "See, folks around him are racist so that justifies me be racist". Thats the logic I read here. Stupid folks.

Posted by: GWS | May 30, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Out of Hillary Clintons mouth she talked about Hard working white people and how she is in the race because RFK was assassinated. THIS CATHOLIC PRIEST who is only an associate speaking the truth as much as Hillary was speaking the truth about RFK...

HILLARY feels as entitled to this presidency as a welfare queen feels about her check...You are grasping and its as pathetic as your candidates...McBush or HRC

Posted by: Beka | May 30, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Good Lord, people, get a grip.


1) The preacher obviously likes Obama as a cnadidate, so he volunteered to head a Catholics for Obama group.

2) This nut decides to resign that postition, then 2 weeks later was a guest preacher at Trinity and said some mean things about Hillary, but some truer things about white entitlement in this country.

So now the media is all over Obama for this? Do they imagine Obama invited him to speak at Trinity? Is he responsible for vetting every pastor that speaks there? Is he somehow now in charge of this church and has the final say on what the pastors preach? I'm at a loss to understand how you can somehow pin this to Obama. He can't control the entire world, nor should he.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if this so called Priest, either had not taking his Prozac or just did not abuse a child in church that day truly sad!!

Gotta love the Obama supporters.

Posted by: corintonic | May 30, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Welcome to the Obama Show:

Rev. Wright = MO (the mean one)
Rev. Pfleger = CURLY (the dumb one)
Obama = LARRY (the one who stands by and watches the other two)

Posted by: PGR88 | May 30, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Now it's comments made by people not even directly connected with himself, that he must apologize for.

Can they not come up with anything better?

Posted by: CitizenXX | May 30, 2008 8:09 AM


No, they can't. That just shows you how desperate they've gotten, and how stupid they think the public is. (Has no one learned anything over the past 8 years??)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

During his racist rant, this hatemongering Catholic priest also said - "America has been raping people of color and America has to pay the price for the rape. "

WaPo omitted it!

NObama!


Posted by: zazzle | May 30, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

What is being missed here is the insult to the so called "HARDWORKING, WHITE, LUNCH BUCKET CLASS MAKING 50,000 OR LESS" This is how you are defined. The GOP and Billary are writing this gargage for you in order to insight hatred and anger. Its working. You are hating someone that comes from both sides of the fence. He is reaching out and getting slapped on the hands and in the heart. But I ask you. Since you are so hard core in your hating...Has the GOP made your life easier? Is it only blacks who are suffering? Has West Virginia prospered? Are you all better off than the others?
Look in the mirror and ask yourself what did Clinton or Bush do for me? HAve you had any sons or daughters die in Iraq?

Posted by: Lanette | May 30, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

So once again we see even more proof of that old saying,"that birds of a feather
always flock together',since it proves the
only people attracted to the New Messiah
empty suit liberal elitist loser phony
Barack Hussein Obama are kooks,nuts,losers,
black racists,looney toons,Obama youth kids
and Obama kook aid drinker Obamabots and so, that must be all of this "Change You
Can Believe In" at work I take it here again? So some "uniter" Obama is my friends
just like another grandiose delusional
cocaine snorter lying phony George W Bush,
who claimed he was a "Uniter" as well. Wake
Up people Barack Hussein Obama is nothing
but a fraud and a divider not fit to be
President and Commander in Chief and his
bitter,hateful wife Michelle Obama is a
joke and embarassment we cannot afford along with this embarassing arrogant loser
Barack Hussein Obama. Say No Way OBAMA!

Posted by: Sherry Kay | May 30, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Lanette wrote, "Its amazing how ignorant people can be. Now this is a white priest speaking and he is not Obama's pastor, yet some foolish people believe he is. "Benny" comments that someone like Obama lets his children attend such a church."

This priest has close ties to Obama but more important than the speech is the way this congrgation praises his race-baiting sermon as well as Wright's hate sermons. This congregation did not develop hate for whites, America and Jews recently. This has been going on the entire 20 years Obama has attended this church. So, Obama may get away with saying he never heard these sermons but you can't run and hide from the hate-filled congregation's reactions to these sermons. Obama knows it is just a matter of time before his lies and deceptions catch up to him. How many more apologies are we willing to accept.

Posted by: tdl62 | May 30, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

The truth hurts.

Posted by: Emmanuelle | May 30, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

This is another example of Obama hardball politics. He stays above the fray while surrogates fan the flames of racism and sexism. The article below gives us an insight into the soul of this man. He will do whatever it takes to be President and the American people need to stop him in November.

As more information on Obama surfaces, Obama nation prozac sales increase.

Obama played hardball in first Chicago campaign

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.campaign/index.html

Posted by: tdl62 | May 30, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Help me out, Obama supporters. I can't figure out how to categorize this speech for my records. Do I file it under "HOPE" or "CHANGE"?

Posted by: AK | May 30, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Its amazing how ignorant people can be. Now this is a white priest speaking and he is not Obama's pastor, yet some foolish people believe he is. "Benny" comments that someone like Obama lets his children attend such a church. This whole thing reeks of people like Benny that the priest is talking about. Its smells of Clinton/McBush. How can you make such a decision without the correct facts. The truth is this persons mind was already made up. He would not have voted for Obama anyway. America is wiser than this garbage. Billary and McBush are trying to destroy a man that wants the people to have a say in the way our country is run. But of course they would lose some of thier POWER!!! And its true...Billary cannot believe that a young black man came along and moved pass her. This is sad. shame on you haters!

Posted by: Lanette | May 30, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

And, of course, it was yet another day that McCain wasn't forced to answer for any of his right wingnut preachers.

Doesn't fit the media script, don't you know.

Posted by: fjschmitz | May 30, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Yo Barry aka Obama Hussein. This is just another reason white america will never vote for your racist AZZ

Chevy - Educated gun-toten redneck

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Well..just wondering now what obama is going to do with Rev Moss aster he finally got Rev Wright to shut up and stay in his ten million dollar mansion that the poor folks he helped in his congregation bought him with their donations.looks like he's going to spend most of his time now denouncing and apologizing for WORDS his mentors and aspiring young preachers are saying..its like a comedy or should i say tragedy thats keeps popping up...I can't wait to see the next part of this mini series.....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Why didn't Obama become a preacher and travel around the U. S. and the world and use his rock-star abilities to unite everyone? Then he could have run for president with legitimate proof that he is a uniter. Right now, there is absolutely no proof that he can live up to that promise.

Posted by: JasonN | May 30, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Yo Barry Obama, lets not forget, these are the people you rubbed elbows with for 20 years.

Damn racist melano

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Stuff like this explains why even with 80% of the country thinking we are on the wrong track, 65% strongly disagree with the policies of Bush and the moron Republicans, Obama is still just tied with McCain in just about every poll out.

Obama doesn't seem to be the kind of uniter he and his cultists claim he is - heck he can't even get 50% of the Dems to support him a lot less the country.

And if he and his fellow boneheads continue to trash Clinton and her supporters. Are they really trying to give the election to McCain?

Posted by: Gooch73 | May 30, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

As I've stated before, this is what Barry Obama is all about. This racist changed his name from Barry stating it wasn't black enough.

What a sicko, his mother must be truly ashamed.

This is hwat happens with one-night stand.

9 months later out came a racist Barry now calle Obama.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

at what point does Senator Obama act on his supposed and oft stated goal of reconciling the at odds forces in our society, by terminating his relationship with a church which has consistently demonstrated its desire to separate rather than unite?

Every church has the right to teach and preach its own theology; and every politician has an obligation to act on the principles he/she espouses. It is time for Senator Obama to act and demonstrate he is, in fact, a man of his word, rather than another say anything/do anything politician.

Fool me once, your fault; fool me twice, mine!

Posted by: bobfbell | May 30, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

To all of you who blame everything on racism and cite the example of Hurricane Katrina - look up Galveston Texas and the 1900 storm. A city on a barrier island was once the largest, most important city in the state of Texas. A September hurricane changed everything. These people had to rebuild their community from scratch. They buried their dead, instituted a new form of city government, built a 15ft seawall, and raised the island by 15 by pumping dredged sand to raise the elevation of the city. Every house was lifted while the sand was pumped in to raise the elevation. 3 months after the hurricane, aid workers left because the city was organized and committed to returning Galveston to its prominence. The city of Houston used this opportunity to supplant Galveston as Texas' premiere city.

Was what happened in New Orleans a tragedy? - yes. But, it never pays to wait for the government to come and solve your problems. Its more an indictment of La and city government than it is about racism. You get the government you deserve, and those jokers were re-elected - and still there is a mess in N.O.

Posted by: David | May 30, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Is Obama's platform suppossed to be that only nice people support him?

Father Pfleger is an extreme white Catholic Priest. He prefers Obama over the other two candidates. Why does that mean Obama is an extremist?

These (the critics) are that same people who probably wrote to Dunkin Donuts about Rachel Ray's scarf being a tribute to terrorism. How silly are adult Americans? I hope you guys do not impart such fear on your children. Fearful children generally do not grow up to be very successful. They grow up to be workers not leaders.

Posted by: Erika | May 30, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

So now Barack Obama has to apologize for everything that occurs at his church? He is the one booking the speakers and running the daily operations of the organization?

Why is there so much religion intertwined in this election anyway? I am sick of it, and can't see what it has to do with the major issues we face.

Posted by: Susan | May 29, 2008 9:20 PM


I thought it was funny. Whats the big deal? Saturday Night Live could had done this and no big deal. Funny he made this joke right before the Democratic hearings on Saturday, hmmmm. GROW UP

Posted by: greg | May 30, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Susan wrote, "Why is there so much religion intertwined in this election anyway? I am sick of it, and can't see what it has to do with the major issues we face."

Obama brought religion into this election because he was pandering to people of faith.
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that's right: only people of "faith" can be so gullible.

they want miracles so badly, they see it everywhere. Even in a big liar as Obama. They are the ones praising this man as a prophet.

"A man can smile and smile, and still be mean."

Posted by: noobama | May 30, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

You would not hear a sermon like this in a Catholic church(at any that I know)This priest is a maverick and should be silenced by the Bishop for giving scandal,and fostering race hatered. as for Obama ,go to Google and look up 1933 how Hitler Charmed the germans into being Chancelor.If we don't look out we will find our selves in a Socialist State.

Posted by: ratdragon | May 30, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

It's good to be reminded that crazy clerics can also be found in the Catholic church. Several decades ago a certain Father Groppi railed against financial people and groups in ways that suggested he was an anti-semite. And remember the priest who led the Fascist state of Slovakia during WWII. And then there is Father Coughlin who did Hitler's work on the radio in the good old USA during the Roosevelt administration. We need to get rid of these ecclesiastical phonies.

Posted by: norman ravitch | May 30, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Senator Obama, the potential future president of this once great country is afraid to go on the Bill O'Reilly show?
Why? If he's afraid of O'Reilly, than how will he stand up to the dictators of the world? With his "smooth", elegant speeches? What a loser!

Posted by: disgustedwithall politicians | May 30, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Please explain to me what was wrong with what he said?

Posted by: Emmanuelle | May 30, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

vcsmith wrote: Someone's ability to pick churches and preachers has nothing to do with their ability to revive the economy.
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vcsmith: This issue doesn't speak to the economy. It speaks directly to Obama's promise to be a uniter. How can he act as though he is and will continue to be a uniter when he has been affiliated with at least two religious leaders that we know of who hate white people in the United States and people of different nationalities? We see the same reaction from the members of the Trinity congregation in the videos as they gleefully cheer when they hear negative, racially-based comments. Obama and his wife are products of listening to and agreeing with those racial preachers.

Posted by: Marty | May 30, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

You would not hear a sermon like this in a Catholic church(at any that I know)This priest is a maverick and should be sileced by thhe Bishop for giving scandal,and fostering race hatered. as for Obama ,go to Google and look up 1933 how Hitler Charmed the germans into being Chancelor.If we don't loook out we will find our selves in a Socialist State.

Posted by: ratdragon | May 30, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Obama the Orator, the man with no substantial Senate bills to his name, the man who states he will "bring us together" (yet what has he done in the senate to demonstate this), the man who has subjected his family to 20 years of "preacher hate"....apologizes again.

Posted by: newsman | May 30, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Please, don't let me hear another word from any priest or pastor whether he has a connection to a GOP candidate or a Dem candidate. I am tiered of hearing about what religious leaders thinks on this and that. If anything it shows that they haven't attended any higher theological education or sleeping while attending class.
And I don't think it primarily is the politicians that should answer for the priests flaws - but the heads of their churches.

Posted by: Erik | May 30, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I have read most of the comments on here and I must say I am amazed and disgusted. I like most Americans, want to believe this country has transcended race and can begin to do what's right for it's citizens. Haven't we been polarized enough? However, the images of Katrina, and the disparities facing the black and Latino communities compared to whites, remind me that my vision is only a dream. Religion has always been a source of division. White ministers and parishioners used the bible to enforce and support slavery and segregation. People have killed one another in the name of religion, remember the "holy crusades". Eight years ago, George W. Bush used the religious right to steal his way into the white house. I am sure those of you who are gleeful about this article did not spend so much time commenting on McCain's preacher issues. I am also sure you overlooked Geraldine Ferraro's continuing divisive and sometimes racist comments. I don't see Hillary Clinton separating herself from those people b/c she is willing to do whatever it takes to steal the nomination. Even if it means dividing the party. The point is this, as a nation we must stop all this bickering, bury our prejudices (racial, gender, religious etc.) and recognize that there are more things that unite us than divide us. So, if it is good for one race, one gender, one sexual preference, one religion, then it's good for everyone. We are ONE nation!

Posted by: O'Neil | May 30, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Only in an election year does this matter when there is a great prize to be gained.

At the rate the "he said," "she said," "he said," "she said" is going, no candidate will be left standing. Anyone mention the economy lately?

Posted by: faroutdc | May 30, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

"Obama is so popular that blacks will go to the bathroom while he's insight and take a deep breath".

"Change we can't believe in".

How can obamabots can deny they worship this man?

It's a black version of Scientology.

Except i have never heard scientologists say they will like to smell their saint's crap.

Posted by: thetruth | May 30, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

An appology does not take back the hate and disgust this speach generated.

If this is an example of the mentality that is actually behind Obama's support, it scares the hell out of me. To listen to that crowd applaude his message of hate, is akin to the "hang'em high" mob mentality.

What also scares me is that Obama is only as good as the people he brings to the adminstration and this is another prime example of the extreme radical mentality that is supporting his campaign.

In the heat of the moment the truth behind another major supported is brought to light showing they're real intent is to make race a key factor in our country's future and it was an obvious and sickening attempt at degrading women in politics by mocking Clinton for her gender.

This was more disgusting than Rev Wright, because Father Flegher has no black heritage of oppression to fall back on. He was stricly playing to the audience's bigotry.

Posted by: Another Obama Hate Speach Supporter | May 30, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I wish all you Republicans pretending to be good Democrats would go back to Hannity or O'Reilly or whatever rock you came out from under.

Posted by: rick | May 30, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

It is no coincidence that Obama has to keep apologizing for his hateful friends (Ayers, Wright, Pfleger). When are people going to learn that you can tell A LOT about a person by the people he hangs out with.

Can Democrats be so stupid as to stick with Obama? Don't they have a clue what the 527 ads will look like in the fall?

Posted by: Terry | May 30, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Besides making MSNBC's CHris Matthews' leg tingle what do we really know about the senator from llinois? really not much, but we do know he attended a church for 20 plus years that does not appear to support racial harmony and unity, and seems to relish in comic mockery of whites.
We should all be uneasy over the kinds of decisions or policies that might be made or supported by someone with such an extensive exposure this kind of influence.

Posted by: MrRex | May 30, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

What else don't we know about this clown, Obama? The Dems sure didn't do their due diligence and they will pay for it in the fall. They will get what they deserve.

Posted by: Hopeful | May 30, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

According to the CBS affiliate in Chicago:

"CBS 2 News also spoke with Francis Cardinal George Thursday night. He'd not yet been told about Pfleger's remarks. He said he'd previously spoken with Pfleger about the danger of mixing religion and politics and he implied he'd have more to say later.

Indications are, from the reaction coming in Thursday, that he won't be the only one."

People should be aware that Obama told the Sun-Times Rev. Meeks also was a spiritual adviser. Go to You Tube and read about THAT controversy.

Posted by: katmandu | May 30, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Reverend Wright's act was a Tragedy, and Rev. Pfleger's was a Comedy. It's Obama's 3 ring circus.

Posted by: PGR88 | May 30, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Obama believes he is our savior. He needs to get a life, do something significant in the Senate, then maybe, just maybe he would be considered to be a serious candidate. He is not going to win if he is the Dems candidate. The RNC will swift-boat this clown beyond anything we have already seen. Not to worry Clinton supporters, he will not get elected.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

All of you Obama supporters always poo-poo anything negative about him or his associates, but let something directed toward Clinton, and you constantly cry wolf. Such babies.

Posted by: Terri | May 30, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

lets face the facts..this Pfleger is a nut..he should give up on being a preacher..paint his face black and pretend to be Al Jolson

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

WAPO forgot to mention that:

Their relationship spans decades. Pfleger has given money to Obama's campaigns and Obama as a state legislator directed at least $225,000 towards social programs at St. Sabina's, according to the Chicago Tribune.

Once again, the media disappoints.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

The priest should get himself a hobby besides mocking people and molesting boys.

Posted by: Tim | May 30, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

The real racism is black on black. Look at what Mayor Nagin said the other day about the homeless in New Orleans - he would solve the problem by giving the homeless a one way bus ticket out of town. And, it's spiritual leaders like Rev. Wright and this Pfleger joker who make a living framing issues in black v. white terms, enriching themselves while enabling and justifying self-destructive behavior of blacks. Obama would attract more voters if he just put this church behind him and call on Black Americans to get married, take responsibility for their children, and take advantage of all the US has to offer.

Posted by: David | May 30, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I have good judgment, good judgment, excellent judgment.

He attracts them like flies to sh-t, or should we say, he was attracted to them like flies to ...


Posted by: panola | May 30, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Is this one of Hillary's or Bill's ways of trying to prees Obama to resign?????

Posted by: Ines M. Brackney-Jones | May 30, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Let it drop from the news. Many of us, white and black, have had things said in our church pulpits that we have not agreed with or that were in poor taste. This time it was a Catholic priest as a guest minister at Barack's church. I imagine that FOX noise will try to keep it running as long as they can. It also seems to me that those who run stuff like this probably do not know what goes on in church. I guess that there can be another dimension to this and that is to expose people to various religious traditions and let them sort it out for themselves. Those who do not belong to a church are clueless anyway.

Posted by: Earl C | May 30, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Once again Obama MUST BE HELD RESPONSIBILE for someone else's words when he was NOT there and had nothing to do with what was said [even though the priest was so hillaryous]! Father P only spoke the truth and since we hear lots of truth from JOHN HAGEE AND RON PARSLEY, MOTHER JONES, etc. when will we all just accept the fact that RELIGION AND POLITICS ARE SEPARATE! But no media ever seem to make McSame or HRC responsible for their OBNOXIOUS PASTORS, so why is it ONLY OBAMA who MUST be ACCOUNTABLE. Enough of this BS.

BTW, this is only a BIG ISSUE because clinton has made it one [but she can get away with RFK and assassination] to make issues appear to be important in an effort to remain in the news - otherwise HRC is simply a NONISSUE!

Posted by: MadasHell in Alex., VA | May 30, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

To the idiots who keep associating pastors and priests to Obama but don't say a thing about the association of Hagee and Parsley with McCain: don't be hypocrites.

Father Pfleger is probably mostly correct in what he says. But that has very little to do with Obama.

It does however have everything to do with we as Americans. It is wonderful that some of us non-African Americans are hearing some "home truths" for the first time in our lives, some of them spoken by white priests like Father Pfleger.

Obama-Hillary '08 Truth - 'forever

Posted by: KateLynn | May 30, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

While his comments about Hillary Clinton were too harsh, his comments about white privilege were absolutely correct. Of course, all the "racial resentment" white voters can't accept the fact that real racism is alive and while.

Posted by: Elrod | May 30, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

lol Harvard????


Okay, I feel that the pastor is just repeating what Hillary stated. After all the "white vote" is hers, right? So, how can ANY of you get upset with Barack and not Hillary. If nothing more her attempt to have Barack assinated!

Posted by: Educated"white"Voter | May 30, 2008 8:18 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Wow. This church just goes CRAZY, whenever Obama's not around...

Posted by: Mike | May 30, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I think all this works well for Obama at least those spreading rumours that he is a Muslim can eat their words and for the Fact the this other preacher is white, will take out some racist sentiments about what happened in the recent past with Rev. Wright.

Posted by: jones_okiah | May 30, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Okay, I feel that the pastor is just repeating what Hillary stated. After all the "white vote" is hers, right? So, how can ANY of you get upset with Barack and not Hillary. If nothing more her attempt to have Barack assinated!

Posted by: Educated"white"Voter | May 30, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

This is a rediculous ploy to get us to look the other way. We are a lot smarter than that--aren't we?

Posted by: calmNsense
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and this guy said:

OK. Exactly what does these comments have to do with the high gas prices, foreclosures, high grocery bills, soldiers losing their lives in a war we can't get out of, etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: Chrssy | May 30, 2008 7:37 AM


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No, Obamabots are NOT more intelligent than that.

You cult followers call in the "gas prices" when saint Obama screws up directly or by association. You are not intelligent enough to see that a candidate for the presidency has to be held accountable for the promises made. "Change we can believe in" and portraying himself as morally superior demands that he acts accordingly.

Obama has been lying through his teeth, inventing a mythological life proven to be false, flip-flopping on issues, denying his involvement with extremist on the left, engaged in negative campaign, having his goons threaten black voters who criticizes him...

"Gas prices"? If he lies and has proven to be a liar, can we believe his "economical solutions"? NO.

Take a look at this comment by a black supporter in the internet:

"Obama is so popular that blacks will go to the bathroom while he's insight and take a deep breath".

"Change we can't believe in".

Posted by: think_it_twice | May 30, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Obama's church, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, was led until recently by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Obama has listed Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger as two of his important religous mentors.

Barack Obama and his family were members of Trinity for 20 years before he stepped out of that divisive, inflammatory religious/political context to declare himself a post-racial candidate for the presidency in the Democratic party.

Watch Pfleger's performance in his sermon at Trinity last week once again and then think about Obama's faith formation.

Posted by: ichief | May 30, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

This comment is for all - but mainly to calmNsense
Are you serious that this has nothing to do w/the presidential race & that somehow you want to blaim Fox News - I praise Fox news for doing their job - unlike CNN & MSNBC - who act like the Obama campaign headquaters. Obama has to be held resonsible for his assocations - especially his religious assocations - Obama had this Priest on his staff until 2 weeks ago - & you think this is not important. The problem is that American knew very little about this Obama person. I will never vote for this person - I will vote for McCain before I vote Obama - I don't what his views representing our Country. Also, Obama has known this idoit Priest for approx 20 years. Don't be so quick to point the finger at a good news agency as Fox - who is fair with their reporting.

Posted by: Hillary08-P | May 30, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Its certainly enlighting to see what's going on inside of some/many Black churches today. I really don't get the benefits to the congregation, of the "blaming others" theme. Nor do I see the solutions, as suggested by Rev. Michael Pfleger, punishing others.
Still, the number one issue in this election is the USA economy which includes the impact of the Iraq situation/war. Someone's ability to pick churches and preachers has nothing to do with their ability to revive the economy. If you want to argue the judgement point, ask yourself how many friends do you have who are lousy with women or men, but geniuses at their work. Sometimes they even get married.

Posted by: vcsmith | May 30, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Now it's comments made by people not even directly connected with himself, that he must apologize for.

Can they not come up with anything better?

Posted by: CitizenXX | May 30, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Clinton has taken Kentucky and Obama is right there in Oregon.
The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive - and most likely to be decided by superdelegates - as CNN points out clearly

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/20/primary.wrap/index.html

If you're tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama

If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com

Obama Supporters:

Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It's that easy...

Clinton Supporters too .... !

It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?! Those are really worth !

Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...

Posted by: feeba | May 30, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Dwight, you would be ashamed to know that this so-called priest's church is in the same section as Obama's church. I guess they feed off one another.

Posted by: Benny | May 30, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

I saw this on TV and thought it was a stand-up comedian! Also thought it was pretty funny.

This isn't going to hurt anybody.

Posted by: Jeff Wagner | May 30, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Guilt by association, again! Personally I will take the tame comments of the wacky priest over the real threat of WWIII any time, as suggested previously. Let us move on to issues of importance, Iraq, the economy, gas prices, education.

Posted by: Jordan Davies | May 30, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

You call this a sermon? It was a lynching of Hillary Clinton....and it was given in Obama's church. I smell a rotten fish. But I am sure Obama wasn't in attendance, right?

Posted by: Little Bird | May 30, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I am a Catholic and was sickened by this. Obama will not get my vote. I question his sense of responsibility to his children letting them attend a church that spreads such hate. And I question exactly what he will do to this country. This man is bad news, too many people are caught up in his rhetoric. McCain is a pussy cat compared to Obama. And it might not be so bad to have a Dem. congress and a Rep. White House. Think all of you fence sitters.

Posted by: Benny | May 30, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't believe that pfleger is a Catholic Priest. they would never allow him to say these things in a Catholic Church. I would be ashamed to have him as my Priest.

Posted by: Dwight | May 30, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Oh, poor Obama. More characters coming out of his closet. His connections continue to be questionnable. The DNC should be ashamed of itself for not vetting this man. Senator Clinton has been vetted for more than 18 years. While we may not like everything we see, at least we know what we are getting. This man portends he is the best candidate to lead this country. We can do better than this.

Posted by: Janet | May 30, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

All religion is fantasy. If you endorse the fantasy, you get the lunacy. Just because "your" minister, priest or rabbi seems like they're making sense, they aren't.

This isn't about God. It's about religion. Man has no basis on which to make assumptions about God. It's like ants trying to conceive the nature of humanity. We've simply used our imagination to fill in the blanks. That's religion.

It's not about Obama or McCain, both of whom are apologizing for their religious affiliations. Accepting religion allows people to play out their fantasies. It gives the kooks legitimacy. Better to admit we're enabling these crackpots.

Posted by: Max | May 30, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

We are so gullable! Each network's lead story was McClellan's book. However, Fox News pounds the "red hearing" story about Father Pfleger. Who is Pfleger and since when did he become Senator Obama's drinking partner? Are we going to judge every person who speaks at Trinity as Obama's personal, spiritual guru? This is a rediculous ploy to get us to look the other way. We are a lot smarter than that--aren't we?

Posted by: calmNsense
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Nope. His sheep don't seem to have a clue or care how dirty and sleasy this guy is. They don't seem to have a problem seeing Hillary's faults on the other hand. Hillary has lots of faults, we see them. Obama has only words, most of which he has already broken. I could list, but you "aren't smarter than that"

Red Herring? His sermon sounded like most Obamanut rants on these posts. In "his church". Sounds like a pattern to me.
Last night,after prime time, this was a lead story on CNN and MSNBC print news. This morning it seems to have disappeared.
Wonder why?

Posted by: Chief | May 30, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

OK. Exactly what does these comments have to do with the high gas prices, foreclosures, high grocery bills, soldiers losing their lives in a war we can't get out of, etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: Chrssy | May 30, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

The pale and lisping Pfleger is a Wright wannabe. Like, Wright, his personal fame and fortune are more important than Obama's election and the fate of the Nation. Do the members of CHICAGO TRINITY CHURCH OF UNITED JUMPING-UP-AND-DOWN-CHEERING BLACK RACISTS think that they have a private little Black Klan meeting every Sunday that no one else, including the white neocon propaganda organ Fox News, watches like a hawk?

This Church's use of Christ's name in spewing their racist rants is an abomination to the Lord's name. Their ignorance regarding the damage they are doing to Obama makes one wonder what they are thinking and why.

Posted by: Roy | May 30, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Barack, if you've got any sense, get the heck out of that congregation. I'm Catholic and I'm outraged by this priest's remarks. Clergy of any faith have no business in politics nor commenting on candidates. This is beyond the pale.

Here in New England, the Congregational Church is a model of tolerance, careful thought, community and international involvement plus a lot more. While I've never set foot in Trinity and never will, I can't fathom how that congregation is affiliated with the United Church of Christ.

Posted by: Sho'nuff Church | May 30, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

People you will never understand Chicago politics and religion. It's a very polarizing atmostphere. The funny thing here is, he's a white catholic priest. The bottom line is religion has no place in politics. If every president was responsible for a "holy man", we would have no president. Rev. Wright, Father Pfleger, Jerry Fallwell, Rev. Hagee, Rod Parsley, Billy Graham, Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Mike Huckabee(yeah I know its a stretch), and rest of the lunatics, preaching in the name of god. They need to shut the hell up. I'm so tired of this bickering about stupid preachers. These people did not take food off my table or gas out my tank, the administration did. Stop running these same old stories. Like Scotty Mc just said in his book...Liberal media asked some questions. I heard more about Wright Hagee for 2 life times, enough is enough.

Posted by: Antoine | May 30, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

so what else is new, for 20 years obama was hearing messages of hate for america,he can denies it for now because he wants the vote...but does obama realy love america? i dont feel it it in his eloquent speeches...

his heart is sympathetic to the terrorist.
america wake up.....

Posted by: allan beltran | May 30, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

let's not act like it's only blacks in that church. there are whites in the church also. i just want to know how that sermon related to god.

Posted by: rhonda | May 30, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Barack says, "Why's everybody pickin on me?" Michele says, "Because its whitey!"

Posted by: Jason | May 30, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Holy crap, with friends like these Obama doesn't need enemies, that's for sure.

Here's what I don't understand:

- An Episcopal church in Pasadena is threatened with loss of its IRS tax-exempt status when its former pastor preaches a thoughtful sermon encouraging the congregation to consider the ethical rightness of the war in Iraq -- no names of political parties, candidates, or public officials are mentioned. Meanwhile, other churches and other preachers are hosting explicitly political speech, and nothing happens?

- Preachers treat the pulpit as a performance stage, playing the audience and inviting and lapping up adulation and applause. I realize this is traditional in the many churches (black and white) but I will never be comfortable with it. Seeing this little Catholic priest aping that style was downright creepy.

- Using sarcasm, snideness, and downright meanness in the pulpit, and the congregation leaping to its feet to laugh and mock the object of that language, is totally, totally offensive. I can't understand how Otis Moss, the new pastor there and a graduate of Yale Divinity School, is happily introducing and then thanking the priest who does this.

I am and will remain an Obama supporter, and none of this stuff seems to fit at all with the thoughtful, intellectual, fair-minded and inclusive leader he seems to be. I think he has grown way past this environment, and it's time he said so in plain English -- indeed, time he encouraged the Black Community as a whole to take a good, hard look at this aspect of its culture, and realize that in the YouTube era they NO LONGER HAVE THE LUXURY TO STAGE THIS KIND OF PURGATIVE RITUAL with the "safety" that nobody is watching.

Posted by: herzliebster | May 30, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

"Senator Obama is not a racist"


Sure.

And Hitler wasn't an anti-semite, it was just the company he kept.

Posted by: Nobama | May 30, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

This just in: "Hillary Apologizes For Giving Pantsuits a Bad Name."

Posted by: McCain Man | May 30, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

My only question is are members of the CHICAGO TRINITY CHURCH OF UNITED JUMPING-UP-AND-DOWN-CHEERING BLACK RACISTS trying to get McCain elected or are they just stupid like they and their "Pastors" appear to be on "fair and balanced" Fox news over and over again?

Posted by: Roy | May 30, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Truer words were never spoken here.I plan to copy and paste this and put it on every blog on the internet.....thanks


Whatever colors he is, Obama surrounds himself with divisive, angry people and pretends to be shocked, shocked that they're saying what they always said.

This man is dangerous, and the people he'll bring with him are more dangerous.

He's unqualified, unprepared, has too much baggage in his radical friends and will lose the unlosable election.

Hillary wasn't my first choice, but she sure is now. She's got grit, determination and a helluva lot of courage to keep going in the face of an Obama-adoring media who lost their critical faculties in the face of the rock star of Hope! and Change!

She's all that stands between us and the disaster of such a neophyte's presidency.

I -- and just about everyone I know -- plan to skip the Presidential column and just vote for local Democrats in November if Obama is the nominee.

Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi can't force this one down our throats. I'd rather suffer McCain than Obama's empty rhetoric and divisive associates.

Posted by: Franklin D. | May 29, 2008 11:50 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

why are we hiding this Issue in this tiny little collumn?
If David Duke said something for McCain it would be on the front page of the WaPo.

but WaPo is in the bag for protecting Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Obama gave this raving maniac earmarked funds? So much for "change"!

Posted by: WashingtonDame | May 30, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

"Obama Again Apologizes for a Preacher"

Really? Where was the apology? Or the need for one?

"Obama is disappointed" would have been more accurate - but that doesn't seem to be the aim of this piece, or this column.

Posted by: strum | May 30, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

wow, all these responses and not a single, "Yes, We Can"

its hard to maintain visionary status when the vision starts to fall short.

racist is a strong word, and I would caution people against using it so liberally.

but after reading this article and posts a new word comes to mind, apologetic.

Posted by: tired of the same old song | May 30, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

First of all, Father Pfleger was not preaching in a Roman Catholic church, thus he was free to express his ideas without the censorious eye of Rome looking at everything he said. Secondly, it becomes a little tiresome that these "preachers" (or as I like to call them, apologists and promotion men [women] for the ravings of dehydrated lunatics in the desert 2000 years ago)have recently been granted influence by the American voter far beyond that which they deserve.
If we are going to exam every word of every associate of Mr. Obama, then let's at least look at the current and close relationship between John McCain and Oliver North (a convicted felon). Fair is fair.

Posted by: Chicago Jim | May 30, 2008 6:56 AM | Report abuse

What a sorry state of affairs. The anti-Obama posts are so nasty and for the most part uninformed. Senator Obama is not a racist, nor is he Muslim. Nor is he responsible for the words uttered by the ministers, pastors, priests, laymen and laywomen who are in the building that has been his church for many years. If he has even been in those pews over the past two years (or more as he is in Washington when he is not on the campaign trail and sadly is able to spend only small bits of time athome with his wife and children), it would be a stretch. I am sick to death of the religiots. They mean nothing to the campaign -- on either side. Get a grip, folks. There is much too much at stake here.

Posted by: pavementrat | May 30, 2008 6:56 AM | Report abuse

We are so gullable! Each network's lead story was McClellan's book. However, Fox News pounds the "red hearing" story about Father Pfleger. Who is Pfleger and since when did he become Senator Obama's drinking partner? Are we going to judge every person who speaks at Trinity as Obama's personal, spiritual guru? This is a rediculous ploy to get us to look the other way. We are a lot smarter than that--aren't we?

Posted by: calmNsense | May 30, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

I have a better idea. How about tax exempt status be immediately yanked from churches that preach politics? That would stop it in its tracks.
I hated the unfairness of the swiftboat attacks, but they may be less dangerous than having Obama for President. He is a hatemonger and a racist who pretends he's in favor of unity when what he's really in favor of is power for himself and his handlers.

Posted by: lhen | May 30, 2008 6:43 AM | Report abuse

One of the posters said that Obama has no control over what is said in his church. That's quite true. But let's not forget that this is the man who thinks he can sit down and talk with rogue leaders of countries such as Iran and N. Korea.

Obama can't even talk his friends out of spewing hatred and venom. So what's next? President Obama apologizes for Iran and N. Korea dropping atomic bombs on the US? Says Obama, "I didn't know they were building something like that. I've had many conversations with them and they never said anything about bomb dropping. I'm deeply angered and saddened, but, still, they have their good side. I could no more disown them than I could disown Gordon Brown."

Posted by: Lynn | May 30, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

I have an idea. How about separation of church and state in political coverage? These things say nothing about a candidate; and worse, it's going to result in armies of opposition research teams trolling our nation's churches.

Posted by: OPdc | May 30, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Boy the things I have learned I never knew. It's alright to bash someone you hate on past associations but dare anyone say anything about an association with someone you like and claim it's not fair. It's kind of funny that people are saying this isn't fair will use the same tactics against the current administration.

The country is doomed because people won't see the truth that both parties are worthless and both need to go. It's just not the R's, its the D's just as much.

Time to focus on what this country really needs in a leader and it has nothing to do with two broken down ancient parties. That's the change we need.

Posted by: Doughboy | May 30, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

That diatribe certainly didn't belong in a church service. I have read the comments and the consensus of opinion is that if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee that the election of McCain is a foregone conclusion. Why? I met Obama in 2004 when I was a delegate to the Democratic National Convention. He was the keynote speaker and at the time, I thought he would be the first black president of the United States. For the first time in history, the Democratic Party is faced with something totally alien to them, ie a black man and a woman. Both are qualified far more so than John McCain. When are Americans going to wake up? This country is in serious trouble. We need serious people with fresh ideas and diplomatic skills to put us back on track. If John McCain is elected, we will have 4 more years of GWB. Make no mistake about that. He is ready to stay in Iraq for 100 years if neccessary for victory. We should have never been there in the first place and to perpetuate this war would be obscene and it is way past time to start bringing our troops home. I think Barack Obama is a very intellegent man and to suggest otherwise is moronic. I think Hillary Clinton is also qualified. However, as a Democrat, I see more establishment in her remarks than I do in Barack Obamas. Anyway, you look at it, either would be better than John McCain. By the way, Father
Pfleger is a disgrace.

Posted by: ellej28 | May 30, 2008 5:51 AM | Report abuse

After the Wright and Hagee comments, it appeared that many concluded that it was impossible to regulate the comments of candidates supporters, BUT the next opportunity we jumped right back on this with these comments from this Priest.

Posted by: Mark S. Allen | May 30, 2008 5:49 AM | Report abuse

You can't turn a blind eye to injustice and unfairness. Look into the mirror and explore your own soul. You can't leave behind the history so soon. But you have to creat new history. Don't let past history blind your eyes.

Posted by: zhctrue | May 30, 2008 5:00 AM | Report abuse

You can't turn a blind eye to injustice and unfairness. Look into the mirror and explore your own soul. You can't leave behind the history so soon. But you have to creat new history. Don't let past history blind your eyes.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

You can't turn a blind eye to injustice and unfairness. Look into the mirror and explore your own soul. You can't leave behind the history so soon. But you have to creat new history. Don't let past history blind your eyes.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

If you listen to the speeches of Wright and Pfleger,you should be wondering whether they are preaching the words of god or the words of extremism.

Since when did Hillary said anything that the nomination is her because she is white. But Pfleger flamed the situation and the black got so enthusiastic about it that they don`t realise they are not listening to the words of god but to a racially inflamed speech.

This what what Barack Hussein Obama is. He was there for 20 over years and he is what he is for the last 20 years.

A JEKYL & HYDE

And the worst is yet to come if he wins the nomination and the Presidency.

Vance, for your info, I am not white, black, latino, brown nor western or central Asian but yellow.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:27 AM | Report abuse

Hi Mom,

This is my friend Steve,

My black friend Mary,

My Asian friend Suzy, and my Latino friend Beth.

MOM.. Well what is Steve?

Oh, He is white.. It's the default setting, no need to introduce his color.

Sound wacky eh?

Posted by: Vance | May 30, 2008 4:02 AM | Report abuse

Note that after Jeremiah Wright gave his National Press Club speech, Pfleger "counseled Obama Tuesday morning" -- at least, that's what Pfleger told a Chicago television station.

Pfleger's ties to Obama are pretty well known, but there are some additional details worth noting. Like the donations and state-funded grants:

One of those long-time supporters was Rev. Michael Pfleger, the politically active leader of St. Sabina Church. He gave Obama's campaign $1,500 between 1995 and 2001, including $200 in April 2001, about three months after Obama announced $225,000 in grants to St. Sabina programs.


But perhaps most notably is that in protesting a gun store, Pfelger told an assembled crowd, "We're going to snuff out [store owner] John Riggio," and "We're going to snuff out legislators that are voting against our gun laws." He later claimed he had no idea that the phrase "snuff out" was slang to kill. My buddy Cam has followed Pfleger's comments about gun owners and sellers at length at NRANews.com.

Posted by: JPM | May 30, 2008 3:20 AM | Report abuse

First you have Wright, Now you have Pfleger. Sooner you will have a President that will say it is not white or black but MUSLIM SUPREMACY.

When Barack Obama become President, it will not be a Christian Barack Obama but but a Chameleon whose colour will change into a muslim Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

The devil in disguise will then shed his image and show the American people that HUSSEIN is now in charge AND MUSLIM SUPREMACY

Thats why this devil in disguise Barack Obama will soon be Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

Think of it. It is so scary. Beside Wright and Pfleger I wonder how many of HUSSEIN Obama devils in disguise are hiding behind that cloak waiting to come out.

Posted by: Steven | May 30, 2008 3:15 AM | Report abuse

So what! Hagee, Hagee, Hagee, Wright, Wright, Wright, Parsley, Parsley, Parsley, Blah, blah, blah...

Our soldiers are dying in Iraq for nothing, our economy sucks, our planet is dying and we are getting more ignorant by the second. So why not deal with the important issues and stop wasting our time with this tabloid BS. There is a separation of church and state in this country (Thank God!) So let's respect that. Churches are not supposed to endorse politicians or tell people who to vote for, and if they want that privilege then they should pay taxes. Both McCain and Obama have said they do not believe these people represent the others beliefs, so why then should you.

Many of you seem to be looking for any excuse to divide people just as this pastor was and as Hagee does. Just look at yourself and your friends and neighbors and their family back ground and unless they are Native American or landed on Plymouth Rock than they probably are a mixture of many different ethnicities. We are a melting pot so stop labeling everyone racists. It serves no purpose except to fuel hatred and divisiveness. Whomever your candidate is stop bating people. Get over yourselves and move on, and stop believing all this BS propaganda. Last time we did we wound up in an endless war in Iraq.

Posted by: SFGal | May 30, 2008 3:14 AM | Report abuse

Too Funny!
I have seen Father Pleger speak, and he is something to watch and hear!
He is right. Nobody introduces Geo.W Bush as the 43rd white president because "white" is the default (privileged) identity in this country. We recognize there to be black districts and Latino districts, but too many white people see this country as, de facto, a "white" Christian country.

So many of these posts online seem to fear white decline, and people take their frustration and fear and their sense of loss of white entitlement out on Obama because he is the out front and visible.

We are all minorites in this country. Diversity is what has made this country so great

Posted by: Anadromous2 | May 30, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Why does a white guy goes to black church and feels that he must talk like blacks. This Priest and Rev. Wright are his spritual leader. They saty if if don't know a person look at his friends. From what I know they are worst thand the communist. Do we really want to nominate a communist. I am afraid this country is going to hell.

Posted by: Jim Richmond | May 30, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

We get that Obama attends 20 years at a church espousing liberation theology. We get the theology is about black self-determination. But these continued rants against the "white elite" is racist rhetoric and we see the Trinity audience eat it up. The "white elite" also have big hearts and deep pockets and if black self-determination is so seethingly racist in 2008 perhaps the "whte elite" should re-think their charitable donations?! Catholic Churches require a giving campaign to help all people regardless of color and I would walk out at a mere sniff of a racist or anti-semetic sermon and never return. Regardless, this Democrat is voting McCain experience over Obama divisiveness.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again....Barack Hussein's family being themselves..
Is this the kind of people we want occupying the white house, the american political church, the sacred grounds of the american government?

NO!

Barack is not electable and the republican party knows it; and as soon as he is nominated for the general election he will be exposed and it will be end of the hope for the democratic party to have a democratic President......

Here we go again......the democratic party is swinging too far to the left and will never get chosen by americans that want change, but forget that permanent change can only come from the center, where both parties compromise and work together and Barack can not united the parties, not even the democratic party, because Hillary's supporters will never accept Barack as a true leader, he is too young, inexperienced and naive.......

Here we go again.....The republican party will continue to be in control of the white house; but if not Hillary, then McCain!

Posted by: Manolete | May 30, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters,please join us in November and vote Hillary or McCain.There are 17+ million of us that voted for Hillary,we can stop this empty suit from bringing his UCC brand of unity and patriotism to the white house.Vote Hillary or McCain.

Posted by: obamamama | May 30, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Let us remember the first time Hillary publically went after Obama. Remember, she was in a huge meeting and referring to The Obama wonderful subsitive speeches she pointed to heaven and mockingly said "oh sure, the heavens will open up and celestial choirs will be singing and there will be Light".

Well folks, the good Priest may have mocked Clinton BUT WHAT ABOUT CLINTON MOCKING GOD?

Clintons do not have the moral authority needed to fulfill the Office of President of the United States of America.

VOTERS BEWARE

Posted by: MissClarity | May 30, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Obama supporters.... Take a nice deep breath..... Hold it..... Hold it .... Hold it.... now breath out. OK now in a few day a new story is going to break and we will be on to the next story . Ask Hillary she was taking it hard over the RFK remark. I do not think this is a media driven story I think we see this stuff and we will continue too because of modern technology. You tube and hand held camera phones have broke way more storys like this then the media.

Posted by: Chicago Joe | May 30, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

This lastest version is a distraction from the other news. Fox News is the main network who get talking about Senator Obama every day. Last week they did not want to mention Senator McCain endorsement
minister problems. We are asking everyone to stop watching Fox News -let's run them off the network. Remember they will never say or report anything bad about the Republicans. If they show something, it will only last for about 30 seconds.

Posted by: Dee | May 30, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

It is as ridiculous to assign that preacher's comments to Obama as it is to assign this preacher's words to Clinton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtIqeV-6mk

Posted by: zune | May 30, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

A catholic priest mocking a woman and spewing hate? ?? he should be reported to his bishop and I guess this kind of negates the popes message a tad bit as well... ... where was he when his brothers in the cloth were molesting altar boys? I guess that wasn't newsworthy or deemd important enough to shout about. This guy had his apology written before he made this "sermon" Makes me even more happy I left the catholic church ..
wait people leave churches for moral and ethical reasons? You don't say !!!

Posted by: Swannie | May 30, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

ITS FUNNY HOW OBAMA CHURCH IS ALWAYS ON YOUTUBE. WHY ARE THE MEDIA INTERESTED IN WHAT PASTORS IN A CHUCH HAS TO SAY WHEN OBAMA ISN'T THERE. BESIDE THERE ARE OTHER CLIPS ON YOUTUBE ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON, PLENTY OF THEM. WHICH ONE STRUCK ME THE MOST WAS THE PETER PAUL CASE THAT HILLARY CLINTON IS GOING TO TESTIFY IN NOVEMBER. WHY HASN'T THE MEDIA TALK ABOUT THIS STORY. HILLARY CLINTON IS CHARGED WITH CAMPAIGN FRAUD DURING HER SENATE RUN. I WOULD LIKE THE MEDIA TO CONFIRM IF THIS STORY IS ACCURATE BECAUSE SHE'S RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. HERE ARE THE LINKS BELOW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related

Posted by: TERRY | May 30, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

I've read all the comments about Mr. Pfleger's remarks and not one person has memtioned or gotten upset over the fact that a "Man of God" stood in a "church pulpit" delivering a "sermon" and cursed! And by the sound of all the laughter and clapping, no one in the congregation was shocked, mortified, or even dismayed. In all of the New Testament sermons delivered by Christ, the Apostles or other inspired writers was there ever a single curse word uttered. God was neither worshiped nor glorified in Mr. Pfleger's sermon.

Posted by: DB | May 30, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

"What a disgusting display. After liking Obama initially, I now have serious doubts about his judgment and character."
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Let me get this straight: you are holding Obama personally responsible for what this visiting Priest said in a Church that Obama has had little time to even visit since he has run for President, but you aren't bothered by Bill and Hillary Clinton's lies, outrageous remarks, strong arming of the superdelegates, and their twisting of the rules to back-door her into the Nomination even though Obama has played by the rules and is winning fair and square? And you have doubts about Obama's character? It boggles my mind, it truly does.

Posted by: Hold_That_Tiger | May 30, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Howcum you never hear about Hillary's pastor, the one who is now in jail for child molestation? Howcum you never hear about the fraud case against the Clintons by Peter Paul? Howcum Charlie Gibson asked Obama why he wasn't wearing a flag lapel pin , but he never asked Hillary and she never wears one? Does a black man have to be more patriotic than a white woman? No, it's just one more special test to make him jump through. If Hillary thinks she is going to cause the Democrats to lose this year and then run the next time, she can forget that. She is accumulating a lot of ill will along the way.

Posted by: LetthemdrinkCrownRoyal | May 30, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

What a disgusting display. After liking Obama initially, I now have serious doubts about his judgment and character. Today, more than ever, I'm glad to be an Independent. The Dem party is apparently run by people who specialize in losing, and the MSM have treated Obama like a Rock Star all year...they should've vetted this guy months ago.

Posted by: Mac | May 30, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

I am an Obama supporter and I did not like what I saw. That preacher was not preaching, he was having a political diatribe on the pulpit. The priest was thanked for that non-spiritual outburst by whoever invited him to the pulpit only adds to the indignity.

My complaint is not with the words of the priest, it's his demeanor and attitude. I agree with his words but his behavior was anti-spiritual. That was performance art not the delivery of the word of G/d. I am stunned.

Too much is coming out of that church that is against the message that Obama wants to bring. I know it is painful but he needs to dissociate himself from that church, I do not see another way. That is no environment to bring up children. It gives the wrong impression and it is fodder for racial bigots.

Posted by: gator-ron | May 30, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

The Propaganda War in Behalf of Hillbillary
_________________________________


1. The Scott McClullen story
takes priority over the Clintons
being given the White House by
the DNC Rules and By-Laws committee.
(I use the term Rules and By-Laws loosely ~ more like corrupt fascists)

2. The media in it's ever-so lack
of creativity, uses an old story
to attack and distract the voters
from the utter miscarriage of justice
of our Democracy being raped before
our eyes.

We know better and need to be the
change.

We must get to Washington DC this
coming Saturday, in the morning
at the Marriott to protest this
ongoing disregard for out nation's well being.


Please ask you local and state politicians to stand up against the Clintons stealing this election.


Just because the media says the
election is over... it doesn't
mean it is over, until it is over.


They are attempting to burgle our
Democracy.

We will get what we deserve!!!

What are YOU will to do for your
country!!!!????

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

And tell me again before I go to vote in November --- why do Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and their kids feel they still need to be members of this church, let alone be friends with this priest (who was a guest speaker at this church)? We know about the former pastor of TUCC, Rev. Wright, but now the new pastor seems to think it's perfectly o.k. to host this type of behavior. Men behaving badly should not be rewarded.

Posted by: Mandelay | May 30, 2008 12:17 AM


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He's not the new pastor of the Church, he's a Catholic priest who spoke at the church. Perhaps, before you vote in the fall, a crash-course in reading comprehension would be in order.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Obama just picked up two more superdelegates. He now needs 41, see for yourself at www.DailyKos.com

Posted by: gmundenat | May 30, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

ANON-11:55

You Sorry POS, before you Capitalize Catholics like that, remember, and live with the FACT, Catholics ARE the ORIGINAL Christians!

Claim you are a Christian? What ADULTERATED Sect? ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 30, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

I think the public should know if the Peter Paul case is true. There is another youtube clip of Hillary Clinton involved in a campaign fraud case. Is this Peter Paul case that Hillary Clinton has to testify in November true?

Posted by: Jim | May 30, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

This guy is 100% correct. Hillary stayed married to a man who has repeatedly cheated, whom she does not love. This was a cold and calculated political move; she put up with it all so she could be president, and now she sees it will never happen. Her sense of entitlement has run headlong into a better candidate with a better campaign. Her rage is now unchecked; she'd prefer to burn the house down than see anyone else live in it.

Posted by: gmundenat | May 30, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

And tell me again before I go to vote in November --- why do Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and their kids feel they still need to be members of this church, let alone be friends with this priest (who was a guest speaker at this church)? We know about the former pastor of TUCC, Rev. Wright, but now the new pastor seems to think it's perfectly o.k. to host this type of behavior. Men behaving badly should not be rewarded.

Posted by: Mandelay | May 30, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. He definitely shows a lack of judgement and therefore how can we really turn over our country to him.

Posted by: Aeldas | May 30, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Allot of stuff on Youtube related to Obama gets attention but there are other stuff on Youtube. The Peter Paul case vs Hillary Clinton. I never hear anybody talk about that. Is this Peter Paul fraud case that Hillary Clinton has to testify in November true? If it is why isn't anybody talking about that. I think the public should know If its true or not before we have an nominee.

Posted by: Janice | May 30, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Let's see:

35 years of "experience" (that would be Bill's for about 28 of those years)

She ducked "sniper Fire" in Bosnia, and claimed that she helped broker the final Peace Process between Northern Ireland and England, except there was no sniper fire, and those who were involved in the Peace talks say that she had little or no part in it.

She signs the pledge to not campaign in MI and FL tacitly agreeing that the States should be punished for breaking the DNC rules..all is well until she is losing, and surprize, surprize...now EVERY VOTE Counts, unless it's Obama's then it doesn't (caucuses.)

She claims that only she, not Obama, can bring the votes of "hard working Americans. WHITE Americans." If that isn't bringing race into the election kicking and screaming, I don't know what it is.

Finally, while attempting to make her case for staying in the race she brings up Bill's first campaign, and the Murdered Robert Kennedy's as 2 campaigns that dragged on into June...except her examples are specious; both races referenced started MUCH later than the current campaign, and in Bill's case, he all but had the race wrapped up by April. To add insult to injury, she never does explain convincingly WHY she brought up the fact that Kennedy was murdered soon after the June primaries...it had nothing to do with the context..unless she was indulging in some wishful thinking...

And still we harp on Obama's Church, and drag in some visiting Pastor making fun of Hillary Clinton, and lay that at the Feet of Obama who probably hasn't stepped foot in that Church in MONTHS...

Posted by: Hold_That_Tiger | May 30, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

So Obama is guilty by association, because he doesn't wear a lapel pin, because he goes to church, because his name is not like ours, because blacks support him.

And Hillary should be nominated because 15 states don't count, primaries with heavy black turnout don't count, Michigan and Florida should count, she lies, she panders, she smears, and is losing.

What is really amazing is that people are so selfish that they are willing to put up with McCain and the war. Yeah that'll stick it to Obama, another 1500 troops sacrifice in Nation Building.

Posted by: MM | May 30, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

So Obama is guilty by association, because he doesn't wear a lapel pin, because he goes to church, because his name is not like ours, because blacks support him.

And Hillary should be nominated because 15 states don't count, primaries with heavy black turnout don't count, Michigan and Florida should count, she lies, she panders, she smears, and is losing.

What is really amazing is that people are so selfish that they are willing to put up with McCain and the war. Yeah that'll stick it to Obama, another 1500 troops sacrifice in Nation Building.

Posted by: MM | May 30, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

In some tree in Chicago, some sparrow is keeling over, dead.

And some reporter is there with a video camera, so that Obama can be blamed for it.

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 30, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

I have learn from reading these post that people don't understand anything about Chicago religious community. Hillary supporters should be ashamed, their candidate doesn't go to church. Republicans should be ashamed they follow Bush search for glory causing the death of 4000 U.S. troops, and many more Iraqis.

Posted by: MM | May 30, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

How can the MSM ignore the fact that there is virtually no spiritual leader left from Obama's church of 20 years, or spiritual leader outside of Trinity that he has close ties with, that he could bestow the honor of swearing him in if he should become President of the United States.

According to obama himself, he has a hard time following a good moral compass...and this man is fit to lead this country? Have you all lost your moral compasses as well?

Posted by: Ijane | May 29, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

The CATHOLIC PRIEST did not say anything millions haven't been saying all month...he's just funnier - and when is hillary going to apologize for her RFK remarks? WHEN HELL comes for her?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

......WriteHillaryIn.com .....created by and for Americans who do not want to be forced to choose between Barack Obama and John McCain in a general election.

Posted by: eleana | May 29, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Whatever colors he is, Obama surrounds himself with divisive, angry people and pretends to be shocked, shocked that they're saying what they always said.

This man is dangerous, and the people he'll bring with him are more dangerous.

He's unqualified, unprepared, has too much baggage in his radical friends and will lose the unlosable election.

Hillary wasn't my first choice, but she sure is now. She's got grit, determination and a helluva lot of courage to keep going in the face of an Obama-adoring media who lost their critical faculties in the face of the rock star of Hope! and Change!

She's all that stands between us and the disaster of such a neophyte's presidency.

I -- and just about everyone I know -- plan to skip the Presidential column and just vote for local Democrats in November if Obama is the nominee.

Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi can't force this one down our throats. I'd rather suffer McCain than Obama's empty rhetoric and divisive associates.

Posted by: Franklin D. | May 29, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow! As a United Church of Christ pastor myself I am ashamed and embarrassed by these supposedly "spirit-filled," prophetic pastors who seem to continually get "carried away" at the sound of their own voices. I do NOT believe they are preaching the Gospel or the Word of God in these moments! There truly is a thin line between prophecy and human pride! Something all clergy must remember.

Posted by: gaypastor | May 29, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I bet if the primaries were held today, all the "white man's guilt" obama picked up would be gone.
Democrats lose again.

McCain '08 ... sigh

Posted by: Dave | May 29, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

As unhelpful and buffoonish as the priest's comments were in that they serve no purpose but to undermine Senator Obama, they nonetheless deserve an honest analysis in the context of Senator Clinton's own arguments for her candidacy. He made the charge that she felt entitled to the presidency on two fronts: 1) Being Bill's wife, and 2) Being white.

Let me reiterate, the priest's comments were a little buffoonish (maybe a lot), but let's be honest; her earliest argument for her candidacy was proximity to power as first lady or as the priest said Bill's wife, not her own Senate career. On the charge of white entitlement, most recently she threw caution to the wind by heralding her support among white working class voters. In large measure, she was lording her "luck" of the genetic draw over Senator Obama.

Inartful seems to be the word of choice now for describing a pol or public figure saying something idiotic, so let's say the priest's comments were inartful, but were they altogether untrue?

Posted by: Dawn | May 29, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

deeply sorry **IF** his words offended someone -- in other words, he ain't backing down, he's not taking responsibility for what he said, and he's not sorry at all.

with friends like these ... the republicans and 527s are going to have plenty of material for months to come.

and with 'leaders' like Pelosi, Reid, Dean ... it's obvious my white working class vote isn't needed or wanted by the democrat party or by Obama and his supporters and 'friends'. As Dr. Mary Frances Berry has stated: it's the democrats once again choosing the triumph of hope over experience -- like trying a fourth marriage because the other three worked out so well.

I've already quit the democratic party and signed up as an Independent. Not that the democrat elites or Obama give a flying flip. They don't respect, need or want my vote anyway.

Fine. I won't vote for McCain but I'm more than willing to write in Hillary Clinton for President in November 2008.

Posted by: buzzzedfan | May 29, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

IT'S NOT THE MESSENGERS...IT'S THE MESSAGE AT TUCC.... where Obama continues HIS MEMBERSHIP in Trinity United Church of Christ."I still very much value the Trinity community," where Black Liberation Theology as it has expressed itself in the African-American community seeks to find a way to make the gospel relevant to black people who must struggle under the daily burden of white oppression, is preached by former pastor, Rev.Wright and current hip-hop pastor Rev. Otis Moss.( whom Obama said was"wonderful)."What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."... Mission Statement at TUCC, in which its commitment to Black Liberation theology is clearly spelled out as BINDING UPON ALL MEMBERS. (including Michelle & Barack)........(1) "I Don't Think My Church Is Actually Particularly Controversial" (2)"There's no doubt we took a hit" and that his candidacy has been weakend by some of the ngegative press he has received by what he describes as " Reaching" & "Distractions".

Posted by: ktx | May 29, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama has absolutely no control over these people. They take him for granted.

If such divisive, hate-filled people feel empowered at this early stage of the game, imagine how it will be in the future.

And there's no way of knowing how many more are hidden, lurking in the shadows...

Posted by: Noway | May 29, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

As I life-long, proud democrat, it saddens me to say that I WILL NOT support Obama, nor will I vote for Obama, if he is the selected democratic nominee. It disgusts me that my party is treating this man as the second coming of Christ, when in fact all he is, is a politician who doesn't know how to be a politician. WE ARE ONCE AGAIN AWARDING THE PRESIDENCY TO YET ANOTHER PERSON WHO HAS NO EXPERIENCE. Bravo, America, Bravo. And we all know what we can expect from such ignorance.

Posted by: Vasilios Birlidis | May 29, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Grace-Marie, women should vote because if we don't like the way we're being treated, it's up to us to use whatever power we have to do something about it.

What else should we do, wait for men to fix the problem for us?

We don't get to complain about being victimized if we act like victims through complacency. If your candidate's name isn't on the ballot in November, then writer her name in. And if your state's rules don't allow you to do that, then change your party affiliation, and tell the party, in writing, why you're changing it. Then vote for a candidate who hasn't been a part of the behavior you don't like.

And, by the way, let's not blame everything on men. There have been plenty of women who are just as responsible for denigrating successful or ambitious women. We are often our own worst enemies.

Posted by: Lynn | May 29, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

What Wright said made me angry. What Phleger said made me scream!!!
How dare you call my girl a white supremacist. He is basically saying that all Clinton supporters are racist.
They played the race card first in SC and with Ferraro. Now they are taking it to a new level.
I got news for them. We will finish what they started in November with the biggest backlash in history.
This is going to be a republican year.
Who would have thought!

Posted by: Seattle Moss | May 29, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I for one could never trust Obama, one thing I know for sure is he needs to Man-up quickly! Active member of the Trinity United Church of the (Anti) Christ, so he believes in the words spoken there. Just be honest! No one would continue serving a church with so much hatred being spoken. Most of us go to church to give thanks to the Lord, not to practice in racial tention. I guess I haven't ran into a church like that here in DC, but should we cross paths I would leave and never return. Not saying some of these things should never be spoken because that would be wrong, however where you choose to release your rants is my problem. A place that is suppose to be Holy, Spiritual and Uniting appears to me that church (Trinity) is more like a church I would have seen in the movie the "Devils Advocate". Or may be the problem is not the church but the people who attend, without membership then the format would have changed 20 years ago. I'm Guessing Chi-Town is crazy town! Obama fever may be on the rise, but people need to truly get honest with themselves and think clearly! Obama may have the Democratic Primary election won, but with this in his closet I see a lot of folks voting for anyone but him! Words from a Black man who loves his people (Good or Bad) and loves America. Obama will get no vote here!

Posted by: CashNDC | May 29, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

What is appalling about this video, wholly apart from Pfleger's vile demonization of Hillary Clinton is that we see members of Obama's church lapping the hatred up like buttermilk.

Whether this sort of hatespeak is normal or unusual at Trinity, what is obvious is that it's welcome. No matter how much Obama distances himself from the two ministers, he can't deny his 20 year involvement with the church. The most generous conclusion that can be drawn from Obama's lengthy membership at Trinity is that even if he does reject the hatespeak and the divisiveness on a political level, it doesn't bother him enough to have divorced himself from the church.

When these videos are taken on balance with Michelle Obama's comments and Barak Obama's "typical white people" and "bitter" people remarks, there is a pattern that can't be ignored. I don't think there's anything Obama can say or do at this point to disassociate himself from the ugly taint of racism.

But of even greater importance is that so many rush to defend not only Obama's tolerance of this sort of hatred, but the hatred itself.

Hatred has no defense. The world is full of acts of hatred and anger. And one thing we've learned is that victims of hatred who go on to hate and abuse others don't get forgiveness. So even if blacks are often faced with hatred and discrimination from some whites that doesn't grant anyone free license to hate all whites.

Watching the celebration of hatespeak, in a church no less, doesn't do a thing to further the cause of unity.

One final note -- Obama apologizing for Pfleger's comments isn't enough. The Catholic church should defrock this abomination and I hope Catholics everywhere demand it.

Posted by: Lynn | May 29, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh good, another entry in the pastor war! It seems that the media insist I pick the next President based on their religious associates so here goes: On one hand, I get McCain, whose former spiritual advisors and endorsers openly preach hate of gays, Jews, Catholics, and advocate war against Islam. On the other hand, I get Obama's former pastors and spiritual advisors, who angrily preach that black people have been screwed by white America. If you believe the candidates truly believe this stuff - even a little bit - what's the worst that happens if you elect Obama...we actually try to help black inner city society instead of ignoring the problems. In the McCain (and Hillary) worst case scenario, we get WWIII. Still not a hard choice, even with the crazy pastors.

Posted by: Pastor wars | May 29, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Grace-Marie wrote: "Why should women vote at all."

Well, you finally got it. Sweetheart, leave all that political stuff to us men. Stay home on election day and bake some cookies. McCain will take care of you!

Posted by: McCain 08 | May 29, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

how can anyone say obama is not responsiple for what all 3 pastors has said when he apparently he agrees with them and continues to attend the church every week.and says he will continue to do so if he didnt believe the same he would have quit and found another church that didnt spew hatered of whites .we must not vote for obama we need to stand together to stop this hate filled obama being elected.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

PREACH ON Father Michael Pfleger! PREACH ON!

Funny how a 20 minute sermon got condensed to a three-and-a-half minute sermon to get the internet audience all rowd-up!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

maybe those whites are voting for the white part and the blacks are voting for the black part..so why don't you call him the black and white candidate ?


Asja,
I agree but I have to say, what the preacher said was true. Divisive but true. It really hurts Hillary's supporters but it is as true as true can be. Many whites wont vote for a black candidate.

Hillary has been making the argument that Obama can't win because people won't vote for a black leader for weeks. That's at the heart of her "better candidate" argument. Calling a spade a spade can be very painful.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Another excellent reason for the continued separation of Church and State. Insanity must be a requirement to be a leader in some churches.

Posted by: Render to Caesar | May 29, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has suffered slights from so many men that this nation should realize that the men in the USA just hate its women-- "She's likeable enough," sneered Obama.. Likeable?
Ha, she's intelligent, tireless, and upbeat. She isn't surrounded by people who hate other people.
Obama's priest friend is just part of the patriarchy that can't stand women.
Powerful men only go for a man..Daschle, Kerry, Edwards, Springsteen, Moore, Dodd, Kennedy...and if that's not enough they ridicule Hillary in ways they would not let a man be ridiculed.
I am so sad, so discouraged. Women are just not valued by the democratic establishment. Why should women vote at all?

Posted by: Grace-Marie | May 29, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, one day, people will stop caring about a candidate's religion...or, better yet, we can run an atheist...and we can stop being subjected to these irrelevant distractions from both sides.

Posted by: It's time | May 29, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

So what? Next! Why should Obama have to apologize for a Catholic priest speaking his own mind? Father Michael Pfleger is speaking at Trinity United Church and hasn't endorsed Obama.

I'm sick and tired of the media being so affixated on which pastor associated with McCain or Obama said what. I'm more concerned with America's future in terms of the economy, education, foreign policy, energy policy and climate change!

Posted by: AJ | May 29, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

This is becoming the first political campaign in United States history where the comments by non-candidates is often being subject to extreme politically correct scrutiny.

Why hasn't Barack criticized Senator Clinton for her divisive, backward looking rhetoric? The white pastor in question is correct in his essential point, despite the unnecessary, offensive racial language he used, about the Clintons believing they are entitled to be presidents and looking upon Barack as an upstart, in their way. This has been observed by many persons three or more months ago.

Barack is appearing weaker nearly every day in appeasing the Clinton camp. He is willing to give Senator Clinton more delegates from Florida and Michigan than she is fairly entitled, in effect rewarding these states for breaking laws and the Clintons for trying to cheat. Maybe some states will have their Democratic primaries before Thanksgiving in 2011, if party rules are allowed to be so openly flouted.

I am still a supporter of Barack, but considerably less enthusiastic than I was about two months ago. He is by far, a better potential president than Senator Clinton or McCain. However, he needs to show stronger leadership and offer more specific proposals about the changes he eloquently advocates.

Posted by: Independent | May 29, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

LOL! :-D

He Did NOT have Spiritual Relations, with that Man!

Posted by: RAT-The | May 29, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

You are seeing in that congregation the anger millions of black people have been feeling (30% of Democratic voters) about weeks of racial innuendo from Hillary Clinton.

Her main claim to be a "better candidate" is based on race baiting and black people have been seething for weeks. Perhaps this is not going to be a Democrat year. Blacks wont vote for Hillary and no Democrat can win without black voters and Hillary's "hard-working" base won't vote for Obama.

For every West Virginian lifelong Democrat who believes that Obama is an un-American, unpatriotic Muslim, there's a lifelong black Democrat who has faced weeks of insults from Hillary with growing anger.

Posted by: W | May 29, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

This is terrible. How can a priest say these things and still be a priest? More hate....that's all this church seems to be about. Senator Obama is still a memeber of this church. Did you see the people reacting? It's dispicable. It's a major problem for Senator Obama. Even if a small number of people have a problem with it, it will translate into lost votes.

Posted by: ceebee | May 29, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Gallup Poll: Clinton Stronger in Swing States
Gallup Poll: "In the 20 states where Hillary Clinton has claimed victory in the 2008 Democratic primary and caucus elections (winning the popular vote), she has led John McCain in Gallup Poll Daily trial heats for the general election over the past two weeks of Gallup Poll Daily tracking by 50% to 43%. In those same states, Barack Obama is about tied with McCain among national registered voters, 45% to 46%."

Posted by: American 1st | May 29, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

What Wright, Moss, and this priest preach was not as scary as the sight of Obama's anti-white congregation praising the hate sermons directed at whites.

Obama's congregation is obviously racists and this will draw a line in the sand come November.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Asja,
I agree but I have to say, what the preacher said was true. Divisive but true. It really hurts Hillary's supporters but it is as true as true can be. Many whites wont vote for a black candidate.

Hillary has been making the argument that Obama can't win because people won't vote for a black leader for weeks. That's at the heart of her "better candidate" argument. Calling a spade a spade can be very painful.

Posted by: Dan | May 29, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Give it a rest! And he who is without sin "cast" the first stone. I thought so...We should be tired of being judgemental, did Senator Obama make the comments...No Do you know the comments to be true...be honest YES.

Senator Clinton did not win. Period. And if you are so turned off by Senator Obama, vote for McCain and get ready to "really cry" for another 4 years. If you think it is bad now, just wait until 2009 with Senator McCain.

Don't cut your nose off to spite your face, be smarter than the hype!

Obama '08

Posted by: cm3 | May 29, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Why do you let the media manipulate your minds? Look at the guy, read his book, examine his history, form your own criteria. You are displaying here the same hate that you are criticizing! SO your hate is alright but somebody else's is wrong? How can you be held accountable for everything that people who knows you does?
I think Obama has been carrying a unifying message. And he's presented that message to people like you as well as to people like his congregation. Has he transformed your mind? No, he hasn't. Has hate served the country? No it hasnt.
Do you share a hundred percent of what the pastor of the church you have been attending thinks or says?
Have your own criteria and for the country's sake think before you give your opinion.

Posted by: koba | May 29, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Thats Funny!! Clintons the most arrogant think OWN WH.

This the real deal "I DONT NOT SEX WITH THE WOMAN"

Posted by: TN | May 29, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Give it a rest! And he who is without sin "cast" the first stone. I thought so...We should be tired of being judgemental, did Senator Obama make the comments...No Do you know the comments to be true...be honest YES.

Senator Clinton did not win. Period. And if you are so turned off by Senator Obama, vote for McCain and get ready to "really cry" for another 4 years. If you think it is bad now, just wait until 2009 with Senator McCain.

Don't cut your nose off to spite your face, be smarter than the hype!

Obama '08

Posted by: cm3 | May 29, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

This preacher is a Catholic priest. Obama did not join his parish, attend the service or seek his endorsement. Obama can't keep apologizing for loonies who come out and say stuff. Clergymen on all sides should stay out of politics, period.

If Hillary can get away without apologizing for suggesting assassination, Obama is being far too kind by apologizing for something he didn't say, a service he didn't attend from a preacher not of his church.

Say whatever you want about what the preacher said but painting it somehow as Obama's fault is not going to stick. If you are already doing so, you were never going to vote Obama in the first place. He didn't go out and brazenly claim the white vote like Hillary did and the person preaching is a white Catholic preacher.

Posted by: Asja | May 29, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

If this Pfleger guy wasn't so closely involved with Obama - he would be VERY funny, trying to act like a Black preacher. Kind of like Jim Carey from "In Living Color." BUT - this is for real, and it is SCARY!

Posted by: PGR88 | May 29, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I first read about Pfleger's remarks (and I'm from suburban Chicago, so I knew about this whacko before) -- but seeing the video, which was on the ABC Chicago affiliate at 6 p.m., was much different. First of all, you see how utterly demeaning and cruel and vindictive Pfleger was. And you also see how the congregation -- Obama's congregation for 20 years -- reacts.

I was disgusted. I freely admit I'm an HRC supporter. But as I said to my husband, can you not know see why we can't find it in ourselves to support Obama? His supporters treat a rival this way, in public? For shame.

And I don't want to hear about "oh, it's true." It doesn't matter if it's true. Certain civilities should be observed.

Posted by: Beth | May 29, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's "base" of support are older, white feminists, and lower educated, blue collar white people who Hillary panders to at a drop of a hat to get votes. Does that make Hillary a racist? A white supremacist? Well, you can tell a tree by the fruit it bears. Or as my pappy used to tell us, "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck . . . "

Posted by: Black and Bitter like Coffee | May 29, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. This is enough, Obama. You hate white folks. Your grandma is a "typical white person." You think Farrakhan is OK. I've had it. Whites are 75%-80% of this country. And they're not all fools. McCain, I can deal with you. I cannot take a chance on Obama.

Posted by: Black Racism is Alive and Thriving | May 29, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I might be uneducated..but I'm smart enough to know that we don't need this no nothing empty suit radical whatever to be President of this country...especially with the company he keeps like the likes of Ayers,Wright and Farrakhan,Pfleger,Moss and no telling what else or who will come out later....

According to a profile of Pfleger in Trumpet, the pastor "counts the mighty as close confidants and friends," specifically Wright, Farrakhan and Obama.

Posted by: lucygirl1 | May 29, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

One important aspect to this priests sermon as well as Wright's sermons is that the Trinity CONGREGATION is anti-white, anti-American, and Anti-Israel. Every hate speech I have seen shows this congregation going crazy in agreement. Anyone that believes Obama did not know this after 20 years is lying to themselves. When are Obama supporters going to realize Obama is playin ya'll for fools.

Posted by: tdl62 | May 29, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I would just like to know why on May 29th of this year, the national press has finally decided to start telling the truth about Obama. See CNN article on how Obama stole his first election. If character counts and you really are for hope and change, then why would anybody in their right mind back somebody who who used backroom Chicago politics (without apology) to secure the democratic nomination for office and stole it from the incumbent.

Good luck with that Cognitive dissonance.

Posted by: dave51 | May 29, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

This is getting old real quick, apologizing for loony pastors at his church. But is the shock value eroded after Wright? Maybe the blows over.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | May 29, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a racist fraud. Democrats support this man, who has ridden the coattails of Chicago race-baiting black politicians to higher office. I cannot vote for Obama under any circumstance. This is outrageous. Mocking, dancing, preening, sarcastic, racist "Father" Pfleger makes me want to vomit. How, how could you present Obama to us???? Why couldn't you have vetted this guy??????????

Posted by: Wanted to Vote for Change | May 29, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

tellitlikeitis wrote, "For a nation that was founded on the premise of religious tolerance and freedom, the hateful rhetoric in this country against an entire religion is scary and disgusting."
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I agree with your statement and do not understand how Obama can be associated with pastors and priests that show no tolerance towards Americans, whites, or Jews and only preach hate and division.

Posted by: tdl62 | May 29, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Ray wrote, "what was wrong with the Priest's comments? It was just the Truth!"

So, you believe Hillary is a white supremist. The racist and sexist views of Obama surrogates speaks volumes of what Obama believes. Obama's race-baiters are the biggest morons and liberal pukes I have witnessed in politics.

It is time to send these liberal haters home in November.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

You know this is exactly why this country is too scared for change.I don't support what Rev. Wright or what this new guy preached.This is the weakest political stunt in order to get Obama out.That is why this country fails in being open-minded. And when you are closed minded don't complain about the economic crisis when you should had been open to listening instead of jumping into judgement and assumptions. People complain about this recession everyday but I'll only say this....you voted for it and now everyone has to suck it up and deal with it because we used our closed minds to judge instead of looking pass this weak display.

Posted by: TJ | May 29, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Again" Father Pfleger is a long time friend and associate of BHO"
Again BHO has to distance himself from his longtime friend.
Is this enough to know who is BHO?
Does he hide something more ? Who knows? Or Who care ?

Vote for someone you can know to be The President of The USA Or vote for someone you could not know for sure ???

Posted by: Zien106 | May 29, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

what was wrong with the Priest's comments? It was just the Truth! do you honestly believe that Clinton would have been drawing up the campaign, actively trying to destroy the Democratic Party if she was running with a White man? Didn't Hillary said 'White' people are voting for me? How did she win by such large margins in WV,Kentucky? one word RACISM, ENTITLEMENT, She just doesn't get it, that White people will vote for a black man huh? Not surprised, most Clinton supporters are UNEDUCATED.

Posted by: Ray | May 29, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Father Pfleger, of St. Sabina's Catholic Church on the South Side of Chicago, has known Obama since he was a community activist. In September, the Obama campaign brought Pfleger to Iowa to host one of several interfaith forums for the campaign.

Their relationship spans 20 years. Obama as a Illinois State Senator has directed at least $225,000 towards social programs at St. Sabina' (Chicago Tribune).

Posted by: Brent | May 29, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with all these sick moronic pastors? It is no wonder many people have quit going to church.

Posted by: armchairgenius | May 29, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse


ELECTION 2008
Hillary believed she'd win 'cause she's white'
In Trinity sermon, Obama spiritual adviser says Clinton thought 'black man stealing my show'
Posted: May 29, 2008
11:56 am Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

JERUSALEM - Recognizing her inevitable loss, Sen. Hillary Clinton cried in public because she thought being white entitled her to the Democratic presidential nomination, declared a close associate and spiritual adviser of Sen. Barack Obama at the Illinois senator's Chicago church.

Chicago Catholic pastor Michael Pfleger, speaking Sunday at Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ, implied Clinton was a white supremacist who believed she would win the nomination because of "white entitlement."

Pfleger, who practices black liberation theology, is a regular guest speaker at Trinity church. He was introduced at Sunday's sermon by Obama's new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss III, who called Pfleger a "brother beloved, he is a preacher par-excellence, he is a prophetic powerful pulpiteer."

After Pfleger's remarks about Clinton, Moss thanked Pfleger repeatedly.

Pfleger told the Trinity congregation, "We must be honest enough to expose white entitlement and supremacy wherever it raises its head."

He continued: "Reverand Moss, when Hillary was crying, and people said that was put on, I really don't believe it was put on. I really believe that she just always thought, 'This is mine. I'm Bill's wife. I'm white. And this is mine. I just got to get up and step into the plate.'

"And then out of nowhere came, hey, I'm Barack Obama. And she said, 'Oh damn, where did you come from? I'm white. I'm entitled. There's a black man stealing my show.'"

Pfleger then mimicked Clinton crying as the audience erupted into applause and gave Pfleger's remarks a standing ovation. Clinton has become emotional during several interviews this year, and some media commentators have questioned her sincerity.

In his sermon, Pfleger added, "She wasn't the only one crying. There was a whole lot of white people cryin'."

(Story continues below)

Apparently realizing his remarks might attract media attention, Pfleger stated, "I'm sorry. I don't want to get you into any more trouble."

Moss then took the stage, stating, "We thank God for the message, and we thank God for the messenger. We thank God for Father Michael Pfleger. We thank God for Father Mike."

Moss assumed the leadership of Trinity earlier this month following the retirement of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose controversial sermons have raised questions about Obama's judgment and beliefs.

Obama has said in media interviews he will retain his membership in Trinity under Moss, whom he lauded as a "wonderful young pastor."

Pfleger is a regular guest lecturer at Trinity and has been featured a number of times in Wright's Trumpet magazine, which drew some media attention after it honored controversial Nation of Islam head Louis Farrakhan.

Obama has appeared on at least three Trumpet covers and last year gave an exclusive interview to the magazine. Obama's wife, Michelle, also recently talked with Trumpet.

Pfleger, an early supporter of Obama who leads a mostly black Chicago parish, has hosted Farrakhan a number of times, drawing the ire of the Catholic Church. The June/July 2007 issue of Wright's Trumpet magazine describes Pfleger as "Afrocentric to the core."

Obama identified Pfleger in a 2004 interview with the Chicago Sun-Times as a key source of spiritual guidance. The Sun-Times piece, which was among the first in which Obama outlined his faith, includes quotes from Pfleger praising Obama.

"Faith is key to his life, no question about it," Pfleger told the Sun-Times. "It is central to who he is, and not just in his work in the political field, but as a man, as a black man, as a husband, as a father. ... I don't think he could easily divorce his faith from who he is."

Pfleger's highly political remarks last week are unusual for him.

Wright's Trumpet magazine reported last year Pfleger "manages to weave into the midday homily at Trinity ... his deep and abiding dislike for President George W. Bush. And with this mostly African-American congregation, Pfleger is in good company."

According to a profile of Pfleger in Trumpet, the pastor "counts the mighty as close confidants and friends," specifically Wright, Farrakhan and Obama.

Earlier in Pfleger's Trinity church sermon, he argued for slavery reparations.

"Honestly now, to address the one who says, 'Don't hold me responsible for what my ancestors did.' But you have enjoyed the benefits of what your ancestors did ... and unless you are ready to give up the benefits, throw away your 401 fund, throw away your trust fund, throw away all the monies you put away into the company you walked into because your daddy and grand daddy. ..."

Shouting, Pfleger continued, "Unless you are willing to give up the benefits then you must be responsible for what was done in your generation, because you are the beneficiaries of this insurance policy."

Posted by: lucygirl1 | May 29, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

This is just silly. Pfleger has nothing to do with Obama. At all. Trying to pin Pfleger's statements on Obama just shows how little lame this whole thing had gotten. And about Pfleger's comments: they're not actually that far off. Clinton has been gender and race-bating for the last few months. There's just not too many people with the guts to actually call her on it.

Posted by: korubin | May 29, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Watch the video...while this man (I refuse to give him a religious title) is ripping Hillary to shreds, you can see some of the choir making fists, raising arms & standing excitedly. Then when it shows the audience, you can see people leaping up in front of their pews & waving their arms in the air & hooting & hollering in agreement.

Nothing disgusts me more than seeing a church get political, but Trinity takes the cake. By the way, this so-called priest was on Obama's website on the "spiritual" page, until today.

The Republicans must be thrilled. McCain will be a shoe-in once America gets a look at the real Obama and his associates.

Posted by: annie | May 29, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

GOD DAMN AMERICA!
BLESS REV. WRIGHT!
BELSS FATHER PFLEGER!
BLESS PRESIDENT OBAMA!
BLESS MICHELLE!

Posted by: obama_08_12 | May 29, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

tdl63 wrote: "Obama brought religion into this election because he was pandering to people of faith."

No, Obama isn't pandering to people of faith. He is trying to set the record straight for the millions of jackasses that somehow still believe he is a Muslim when in fact he is NOT.

Just out of curiosity, but when did an entire religion (i.e., Islam) become our enemy? For a nation that was founded on the premise of religious tolerance and freedom, the hateful rhetoric in this country against an entire religion is scary and disgusting. Islam as a whole is no more our enemy than Catholocism, Buddhism, or Judaism. Our enemy is sitting in the White House and he is one of us.

Posted by: TellItLikeItIs1 | May 29, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

ABC News reported today Obama's relationship with Pfleger spans decades. In September, the Illinois senator's campaign flew Pfleger to Iowa to host one of several interfaith forums for the campaign.

The Chicago Tribune reported Pfleger has given money to Obama's campaigns and that as a state legislator Obama directed at least $225,000 towards social programs at Pfleger's church.

Posted by: guiltbyassociation | May 29, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Pfleger, who practices black liberation theology, is a regular guest speaker at Trinity church. He was introduced at Sunday's sermon by Obama's new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss III, who called Pfleger a "brother beloved, he is a preacher par-excellence, he is a prophetic powerful pulpiteer."

After Pfleger's remarks about Clinton, Moss thanked Pfleger repeatedly

Pfleger then mimicked Clinton crying as the audience erupted into applause and gave Pfleger's remarks a standing ovation. Clinton has become emotional during several interviews this year, and some media commentators have questioned her sincerity.

In his sermon, Pfleger added, "She wasn't the only one crying. There was a whole lot of white people cryin'."

Apparently realizing his remarks might attract media attention, Pfleger stated, "I'm sorry. I don't want to get you into any more trouble."

Moss then took the stage, stating, "We thank God for the message, and we thank God for the messenger. We thank God for Father Michael Pfleger. We thank God for Father Mike."

Moss assumed the leadership of Trinity earlier this month following the retirement of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose controversial sermons have raised questions about Obama's judgment and beliefs.

Obama has said in media interviews he will retain his membership in Trinity under Moss, whom he lauded as a "wonderful young pastor."

Pfleger, an early supporter of Obama who leads a mostly black Chicago parish, has hosted Farrakhan a number of times, drawing the ire of the Catholic Church. The June/July 2007 issue of Wright's Trumpet magazine describes Pfleger as "Afrocentric to the core."

Obama identified Pfleger in a 2004 interview with the Chicago Sun-Times as a key source of spiritual guidance. The Sun-Times piece, which was among the first in which Obama outlined his faith, includes quotes from Pfleger praising Obama.

Posted by: guiltbyassociation | May 29, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

This is once again proof that Obama has a shady past and is capable of telling us anything to cover-up all of his connections to the corrupt Chicago politics that gave rise to him. I am an ex-democrat, recently independent and will help McCain defeat Obama in the fall. Goodluck to the new and improved democrat party that abandoned so many long-time democrats.

Posted by: Sean | May 29, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"One post above didn't make sense to me - that this is another example of black racist views against white people?? Isn't this priest white?"
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Exactly, a white guy wanna be black priest in Obama's church preaching white racism and instead of stopping this maniac, the black congregation shouted in agreement.
So, yes this is an example of blacks racist and sexist views of whites coming from the church Obama has attended for 20 years.

Posted by: tdl62 | May 29, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Susan wrote, "Why is there so much religion intertwined in this election anyway? I am sick of it, and can't see what it has to do with the major issues we face."

Obama brought religion into this election because he was pandering to people of faith.

Posted by: tdl62 | May 29, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh lord, here we go again! I am so sick and tired of everyone using the words of someone else to denigrate a candidate. Although I am an Obama supporter, I feel sorry for BOTH Barack Obama and John McCain for having to consistently apologize for some lunatics diarrhea of the mouth as if it were there own.

More to the point, I am sick and tired of the righteous indignation of every person who takes these comments and projects them onto a candidate as if they came out of their own mouth. Admittedly, we are not running for public office, but how many times have YOU gone to church and disagreed with a sermon? How many times have YOU had a "friend" who spoke out of turn and been personally blamed for their words?

I am only interested in one thing: the words that actually come out of the candidates mouth. It is a sad day that the majority of the American electorate is caught up in this McCarthy-esque atmosphere and verbal blame game. Americans are supposed to be free and independent thinkers. Why have we stopped acting like it?

Posted by: TellItLikeItIs1 | May 29, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

One post above didn't make sense to me - that this is another example of black racist views against white people?? Isn't this priest white?

Besides, I think we need to stop judging ALL candidates by any tangential association with batty priests and preachers who start foaming at the mouth once they get into a pulpit or in front of a congregation - whether the priest's name is Pfegler, Hagee, Wright, Parsley, Falwell or whatever... enough already!

Posted by: ChristineV | May 29, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The poster below who raised the Ed Rendell endorsement and praise given publicly to Farrakhan -- makes a good point. Neither case is important. Same for the two loonies who were briefly embraced by McCain.

There are a few folks in this country whose dainty sensibilities and fragile self-images are threatened by angry words -- but the rest of America's robust and sturdy citizenry will not be bothered by preachers who rant and rave.

That's why we have separation of church and state as a central tenent of our dear nation.

The dainty folk who recoil in horror from Sunday preaching are not true Americans - proud and strong -- but rather fragile little folk who are fearful and tender.

Stand up -- you fearful folk --- be true Americans -- defend to the death the rights of free speech and freedom of religion.

Stand up!!

Posted by: ScrewABunch of FlafPins | May 29, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

So now Barack Obama has to apologize for everything that occurs at his church? He is the one booking the speakers and running the daily operations of the organizaton?

Why is there so much religion intertwined in this election anyway? I am sick of it, and can't see what it has to do with the major issues we face.

Posted by: Susan | May 29, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

LOL, cosmogenium, since as a white person you agree with what this preacher is saying, I hope your check is in the mail I hope it includes all the ill gotten gains that you have been enjoying and to which you are not entitled. Just mail it to Obama's church. And send them your social security number so they can garnish your future wages too.

Posted by: Lola | May 29, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

What is with this church[ and I use that word loosely to describe this building]. Do that hate everyone? And how could Obama listen to this stuff for 20 years?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Like sands through the hourglass, this primary season has become its own TV drama series. There is the old addage that 2 in row does constitute a hang-up. Or in this case a problem. Being raised catholic I would have expected the priest to rant and rail about abortion, or gay marriage or abortion. No, Hillary is a white supremacist. HUH? As the clips of Obama bashing grows one can hear Karl Rove LHAO.

There is nothing new that can be thrown or said of Hillary Clinton. She has shown new and amazing strength and she can WIN in Nov.

Posted by: david stewart | May 29, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

A white man wanna be black priest. He sounded stupid, listening to a white man trying to sound black and be cool. When are Americans going to get tired of listening to all of the apologies coming from the Obama camp everytime a nut comes out of the woodwork. These folks feel they can say anything and a simple I am sorry will do.

Posted by: tdl62 | May 29, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I get about the white "entitlement" thing and wealth because of slavery, but how does Hillary fit into this? Her family did not become wealthy or even well-to-do on the backs of slaves. Her grandfather (a Welsh immigrant) worked in the textile mills as a child laborer. Yeh, remember that? America like the other "industrialized" nations used child labor!!!!

Posted by: Nickyle | May 29, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama was not there. The speaker is a Cathloic Priest - a white Catholic Priest from a neighboring Catholic Church.

Give it a rest.

Posted by: ScrewABunch of FlagPins | May 29, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

This guy is an embarrassment to the Catholic church. Another example of blacks racist views of whites. When are people going to stop making excuses for Obama and realize this guy is surrounded by people that hate America, whites, Jews, and anyone that don't look like them. Obama shares the same views as this priest, Wright, Ayers....

Posted by: tdl62 | May 29, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

This preacher at Obama's church was racist and sexist.

The crowd cheered his racism and his sexism.

Obama chose a church where racism and sexism are cheered.

Obama is a LOSER.

Posted by: JohnnyReb | May 29, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I am confused because I don't understand how someone who sets up a presidential platform based upon hope and positive change can belong to a place of worship with very negative and angry leadership...He may not be responsible for someone elses words but why would he want his children to hear such negativity and anger??

Posted by: LH | May 29, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

And here comes the Media to make a NO-NEWS Piece about NO-NEWS Clowns; News! :-(

I am so SICK of hearing "Barry's" Responses to EVERYTHING!

This is NOT the World According to O'Bomba-Nation!

No "Stooge" of Congressional Dead-Weight deserves any attention-MUCH LESS, as much as "Barry" gets!

Four Years of Barack?

Dear God Nooooooooo! :-o

Posted by: SAINT---The | May 29, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Oracle, no other candidate as inexperienced, unqualified, naive, and arguably racist as Obama would ever have gotten this far.

I don't know if the bar has been set so low because he's black or if it's due to his popularity amongst young and black voters -- two very different things -- but regardless, he's demonstrably unelectable. If he doesn't leave this race, he will be remembered as the reason the Democrats couldn't claim the White House even when it was practically handed to them.

At first, I thought Obama was simply too inexperienced and might be able to make a solid presidential run in 2012 or 2016. But as I began to see more and more of him, I decided he is not only inexperienced, but he exemplifies poor judgment and naivete. Now I think he's simply one of the most divisive candidates I've ever seen. The man is disgusting.

Posted by: Lynn | May 29, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

to cosmogenium: I am not a McCain fan at all, probably going to vote Nader. But, McCain has the argument that those pastors are not of his church and are not friends from his home town.

This just is another reflection of the type of people Obama associates with and the way the media has been keeping it hidden.

Posted by: ragindemo | May 29, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Lynn the only bar thats been set low is for McCain and Clinton. If you don't believe, go look on to the ny times page and look up the article that talks about the candidates positive and negative press.

Posted by: The Oracle | May 29, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

And that shows for all McCain's BS about being a reformer, he is going to succumb to he same tactics Bush used to "swiftboat" him.

Posted by: The Oracle Wash D.C. | May 29, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Reverse the ongoing racist hatred Obama and his friends spew and any other candidate would have been out of the race by now.

But since we consistently set the bar lower for Obama, let the apologies begin.

Posted by: Lynn | May 29, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is why Obama has to be responsible for whatever any lunatic say. When Ed Rendell's video praising Farrakhan came up, no one paid attention to it. If Rendell has been someone associated with Obama, Do you think that such video would have gone under the radar? The only way to describe the obsession with Barack is "harrasment." It is a constant ambush on the way. He has to pay for everthing that comes out of the mouth of someone that tangencially is associated with him.

Posted by: carl29 | May 29, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

He won't get swift boated, the good thing is McCain has the same problems this year.

Posted by: The Oracle | May 29, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

ragindemo, doesn't McCain have any "longtime friends and associates" that have said things that could be viewed as inflammatory by this or that group? Or are you suggesting that "swiftboater" tactics should be used only on a Democratic candidate? It would be so much better if such tactics were not used at all, but McCain has hired some of the original people that swiftboated Kerry as well as McCain himself in 2000. I guess we know where his campaign is going to go.

Posted by: cosmogenium | May 29, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

This is weak, NEXT!!!!!

Posted by: The Oracle | May 29, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

what was failed to be mentioned here in this post (as was noted in RealClearPolitics.com) that Father Pfleger is a "not a longtime friend and associate of Barack Obama".

When are people going to realize that Obama will go down in the swift boat flames in November?

Posted by: ragindemo | May 29, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

If I get the gist of the pastor's sermon, as a white person I have to agree with him. I think racism and upper class entitlement/greed are at the root of most of our problems here and in the world. His choice of words may have left him open to criticism by the all-too-ready-to-strike partisans and by the people he is criticizing (bigots and aristocrats -- "elitist" being co-opted by those same people), but he was speaking the truth nonetheless.

Posted by: cosmogenium | May 29, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

what was failed to be mentioned here in this post (as was noted in RealClearPolitics.com) that Father Pfleger is a "longtime friend and associate of Barack Obama".

When are people going to realize that Obama will go down in the swift boat flames in November?

Posted by: ragindemo | May 29, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

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