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Obama Extends an Olive Branch Toward Clinton

By Alec MacGillis
WOODBURN, Ore. -- Even as Hillary Clinton continued to campaign against him, criticizing his health care plan, Barack Obama took another step this afternoon toward extending an olive branch toward her so that she could "feel good" about the outcome of a Democratic nominating process that his campaign hopes to soon bring to an orderly and amicable close.

Asked by a reporter during a stop at a Mexican restaurant here whether he would be willing to use his huge war chest to help Clinton retire her campaign debts, as some have suggested, Obama demurred.

"That's not a conversation that we've had because our working assumption right now is that we're in the middle of a race," he said, seeking as he did at an earlier stop in Beaverton to avoid seeming as if he is presuming victory.

But, he added, "Historically after a campaign is done and you want to unify the party, particularly when you've had a strong opponent, you want to make sure you're putting that opponent in a strong position so that they can work to win an election in November. So, obviously, I would want to have a broad range of discussions with Senator Clinton about how I could make her feel good about the process and have her on the team moving forward."

Obama said he was "gratified" by his nine additional superdelegate endorsements today, which by some counts put him over the top in that department, but his celebration was muted. "Our focus has always been on the pledged delegates and just getting the American people to vote for us, and we think that, ultimately, that should be the strongest measure of who's the nominee," he said. "But if superdelegates also feel that we're going to be a strong candidate, then I'm very pleased with that."

He was more eager to answer a question about the crisis in Burma, where the military junta is resisting humanitarian efforts to help the cyclone-stricken country.

"I've been following this every day with a mixture of heartache and frustration," he said. "The international community has to put significant pressure on the government there to open up and get international aid in with no strings attached. This is a humanitarian disaster and it's very important that the Bush administration immediately starts working with China, which probably has more influence than anyone on the government in Myanmar."

But Obama stopped short of criticizing the Bush administration. "I have not yet had a conversation with Condi Rice or anyone in the State Department, so I don't want to characterize what they have or have not been doing ... But I can't think of a more important foreign policy initiative for us to take a lead on than assuring that -- in addition to the hundred thousand that have already died -- that we don't start seeing a cholera outbreak and several thousand more who die."

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It'd be foolish for anyone to think that members of the Democratic Party don't have to answer to special interest (a.k.a. big donors). And Mrs. Clinton is certainly one of those. After years of preparation and millions in bribes, I mean donations; it must be disconcerting, demoralizing, scary and impossible to comprehend, to see her campaign coming to an end. How would she explain it to her financial supporters? How would she convince her ego, that her second White House stay was never meant to be? How this? How that? In a way it's sad but I truly hope she'd be able to see beyond it, and step aside while she can in a dignify way. Mrs. Clinton, listen to your very intelligent mind and not your ego or your heart. Please!!!!

Posted by: P.A.A. | May 12, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Latesha: Every election is about "Change" and I can only refer you to the "HATE" America crowd he has been associated with most of his life. I have Posted on other threads where, based on the EC map, he has ZERO chance of winning in 2008. There is NO WAY I can see anything different from what I have been Posting since January. My state , WV, has been a key in that no Dem has won the Prez without carrying it in the GE since about 1916, I think, anyway not in my 68 years. There are really five [5] states, WV, Ky., Ohio, Pa., and Fla. that any one of them going Repub could mean McCain wins the WH and Obama loses all of them and Hillary wins them. A lot of the Posters claim by putting some RED states into play would be a winner, but none could change the EC map where Obama could win, he cannot.

Posted by: lylepink | May 11, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Latesha: Every election is about "Change" and I can only refer you to the "HATE" America crowd he has been associated with most of his life. I have Posted on other threads where, based on the EC map, he has ZERO chance of winning in 2008. There is NO WAY I can see anything different from what I have been Posting since January. My state , WV, has been a key in that no Dem has won the Prez without carrying it in the GE since about 1916, I think, anyway not in my 68 years. There are really five [5] states, WV, Ky., Ohio, Pa., and Fla. that any one of them going Repub could mean McCain wins the WH and Obama loses all of them and Hillary wins them. A lot of the Posters claim by putting some RED states into play would be a winner, but none could change the EC map where Obama could win, he cannot.

Posted by: lylepink | May 11, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Latesha: Every election is about "Change" and I can only refer you to the "HATE" America crowd he has been associated with most of his life. I have Posted on other threads where, based on the EC map, he has ZERO chance of winning in 2008. There is NO WAY I can see anything different from what I have been Posting since January. My state , WV, has been a key in that no Dem has won the Prez without carrying it in the GE since about 1916, I think, anyway not in my 68 years. There are really five [5] states, WV, Ky., Ohio, Pa., and Fla. that any one of them going Repub could mean McCain wins the WH and Obama loses all of them and Hillary wins them. A lot of the Posters claim by putting some RED states into play would be a winner, but none could change the EC map where Obama could win, he cannot.

Posted by: lylepink | May 11, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

lylepink: Campaigning for change in no way reflects "HATE". America was founded on "Change" and at every turn it has been met with resistance from all sides, but as we have learned in most cases it has been for the best. Do you disagree?

Posted by: Latesha | May 11, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Latesha: Every campaign is about "Change" and the change sought by Obama is not spelled out to any degree. The only thing I can see about him is "HATE" America from him and the folks he has been around all his life. This is clear to anyone who will take a few minutes and do the research on him and the folks he been closely associated with for so many years.

Posted by: lylepink | May 10, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"Why is it imperative that we "label" everyone and everything. I've got a label for you its called "human class"!"

Its a shame that under all the talk about race and gender, we've lost sight of the fact that Obama is running a unique campaign. I won't say that he's never said anything bad about Clinton, but by and large its been limited to issues. He's appealed to our better angels as opposed to Clinton who has been dividing on race, but more significantly, has been trying to exploit class differences. Obama uses economic principles to attack the gas tax plan. How does she respond? By calling him elitist. He did not make these outlandish associations to random people (Bill Ayers???? Where the hell did that come from???)

So what has happened as a result?

Well, you start with Clinton who has the name recognition, the tutilage of a husband who has been through the battles, a great deal of donor support, tons of media attention, and basically being named the presumptive nominee.

Obama wasn't a nobody, but compared to Clinton, a complete unknown. Very little in the terms of Washington connections. But he ran an honest campaign, limited the pandering, and most significantly, devised a strategy to develop organizations in all 50 states. Not just the big ones, not just the swingers.

And he beat the pants off her, plain and simple. He ran a campaign the way we always say we want a campaign to be run. Took a risk in holding off the negative attacks. And guess what?

It worked, at least up to this point.

THAT is the true story of this primary. Not the gender or race issue. We were bound to have women and black candidates at some point, and that's not meaningless, but Obama has given a blueprint for future candidates to follow. That is what's important. Right now people are caught up in a political inkblot test (how many people are willing to think Obama is playing the race card? No, he isn't. Go find some proof that he is. You won't be able to)

But once people cool off and look back at this, we can see that there's better ways of doing things than what Clinton has done. Democrats can fight in all 50 states, not just the swing states. Democrats can appeal to the intellectual side of the public, and not just pander and play the "elitist" game. Sure, Clinton can continue to pander and create an atmosphere of anti-intellectualism and then become president for four or eight years, but after those eight years are up, is America really any better off if people are told that education is not something to be valued and that expertise and independent thought is something to be looked down upon? Of course not. That just sets the stage for another George Bush.

Look, there will be a woman president. Not this election, but soon. It will be a woman president who does not need to rely upon a famous husband to get where she is. It will be a woman who won't have the flaws and negatives of Hillary. One who attempts to appeal to everyone, not just pander to uneducated white people.

So lets focus on the REAL story here. Not so much Obama and who he is, but Obama and what he has done. Up to now I have not mentioned hope or change. That's not the point. The point is that there is a better way to gain political power and I promise these methods won't die with him. And for that, we are better off as a country.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I find if funny that people who use the word "classy" almost never are themselves.

I am a Hillary supporter and I see McCain as the next best option. McCain is moderate, a war hero, and has always been a friend to Democrats. It was only in 2004 that Kerry asked McCain to be the veep for the presidential election. McCain has worked with democrats and have bravely faced down the Bush Administration on numerous occasions. What has Obama done? Voters need to do their research. Voting for someone because they are "classy" or solely because of their race is disturbing and will tear this country apart. McCain is the best candidate in '08 he is a uniter and will take us down a better road. I believe most voters will see it that way in Nov.

Posted by: Scott D | May 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Ding Dong the witch is dead.

Posted by: Greg | May 10, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Such vengeance it's like an opera. I have to laugh at how foolish so many of you sound. Stand back and watch the mighty hand of ... The ten commandments.

Posted by: carmen | May 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Why is it imperative that we "label" everyone and everything. I've got a label for you its called "human class"!

Posted by: White Working Class | May 10, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Reply to lylepink : That's why the campaign is called Change 2008! Consider a life where everything is constant. Now imagine the possibilities of change. Life's number one lesson is learning not just from past events but from potential future ones.

Posted by: Latesha | May 10, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama never referred to anyone as a racist. Sounds like it was the Clintons who played the race card. Anyway it is a shame that people can't see beyond the color of a persons skin. Who made us. Did we make ourselves well ask God why he made people of different colors and maybe just maybe he will say variety is the spice of life. No we did not make ourselves. We decide if we chose to be predjudice or not and it takes a racist to recognize a racist so look in the mirror folks and see the reflection. We were all born from a woman and we will all die regardless of race so lets unite for the short short time we have here on the earth we know so little of and may be about to lose with all the climate change. Seriously now. Let's grow up.

Posted by: carmen | May 10, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

DEAR SANDY!!! FLAWED PREMISE: If one attends KKK meetings for 20 years, it is not unreasonable to assume that that person is a racist. If one attends a racist black liberation theology church for 20 years, like Obama did, it is likewise not unreasonable to assume that he is a racist.*******The history and actions of the KKK is in no way an accurate comparison to Black theology, please do not confuse the two. Thank You and May God continue to Bless you and your family.

Posted by: TESHA | May 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I am a life long democrat but after seeing how deceptive ruthless and divisive Hillary has been throughout this campaign I could never vote for HER. better a moderate republican than Hilary. Besides I'd rather vote for her husband who seems to be the one running not her. hahahah

Posted by: carmen | May 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

This is obviously the forum du jour for Archie Bunker "anyone but Obama" types. For those of you who are Democrats, you will have yourself to thank when we go to war with Iran, our economy goes into recession, and Roe vs Wade is overturned under McCain. All because you have so much venom for a man who while not perfect, has run a very gentlemanly campaign, and has broken so many barriers in his life. Let's remember that he is only the 2nd or 3rd black senator since Reconstruction. Why do you suppose that is? Must be because of all of us blacks "playing the race card". You should seek help for your psychological hatred toward blacks; we certainly don't hate Hillary nor are we saying we wouldn't vote for her the way "hard working whites" are saying they will defect in droves to GOP if the choice is Barack vs. John McBomb. Shame on you!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

In the wake of her vicious race-baiting, Hillary deserves a poison ivy branch, not an olive branch.

Thank goodness Michelle has put an end to the Hillary VP garbage.

Posted by: gmundenat | May 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"the constant use of the race card by the Obama camp"

Can this person or anyone else who has accused Obama's people of playing the race card point to an example of him doing so?

If not, I'll just go ahead and assume you're lying.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 10, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

No one is perfect whether Obama or Clinton. Biggest risk is Supreme Court. President last at the most 8 years bur Supreme Court nominee can last for very long time. They have more power than president or congress. Democrats and progressives should unite to get right supreme court.

Posted by: Kumar | May 10, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama's candidacy is truly about America.

Posted by: AgainstAllOdds | May 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S RACISM EXPOSED: Obama wants to focus on anything but his own character and judgment. He cannot erase a 20-year relationship with a racist and anti-American pastor who he considered to be his "mentor and spiritual adviser," by merely making a public denunciation required by his falling poll numbers. This transparent gesture won't fool anyone but his most ardent supporters. The press has really let us down regarding Obama by not vetting him sooner. Perhaps they will make up for it by investigating the nature of Obama's religion; black liberation theology. Why? Because anyone who would subscribe to such a racist theology for 20 years, is not fit to be President of the United States. Rev. Wright cites James Cone as his theological mentor regarding the theology Obama has been soaking up for the last 20 years. Here, in his own words, is James Cone's description of Obama's so-called religion:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

If one attends KKK meetings for 20 years, it is not unreasonable to assume that that person is a racist. If one attends a racist black liberation theology church for 20 years, like Obama did, it is likewise not unreasonable to assume that he is a racist.

Posted by: Sandy | May 10, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

ObamasGRannyGirl: Saying that those who oppose Obama are racist is losing its effect. There are only so many cards in a race card deck, and Obama and his supporters are running out. There are many, many reasons not to vote for Obama having nothing to do with race, however, the constant use of the race card by the Obama camp and supporters is enough in and of itself. Another 4 or 8 years of the race card being thrown against all those who disagree with Obama would be just too much.

Posted by: Edwin | May 10, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

When I see Comments like these that are pushed by The Media as "Racist" is yet another FALSEHOOD spread by them. I live in WV and was born here, and as anywhere else there are folks, good, bad, black, white, whatever, just like everybody else. I doubt that very few of the Obama supporters even have any idea of what the word actually means, and keep using it because they think it will stick to someone that does not agree with them. Sad, Sad.

Posted by: lylepink | May 10, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

So Obama is being too kind in refusing to claim victory, although he is clearly the winner here. And then Hillary is too in-denial to acknowledge that it's over for her. In this article, he sounds like a seasoned veteran boxer who just finished pounding an amateur. He sort of feels bad for her, but on the other hand, the man wants to move on and take it to the big fight of the actual presidential race.

It's also wise of him to pull punches in the Myanmar crisis. He's not assuming the worst about the administration, thinking that they're not working fast enough to solve the blockage of humanitarian aid, but I bet if this drags out longer without any resolutions pitched by the White House, he's going to call all bets off and open up on them.

Posted by: GregB | May 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Any human being that happens to be the first at anything, becomes such because of his/her extraordinary ability to surpass all the barriers put in place by society, at any given time. Amelia Earhart; the first woman to flight solo accross the Atlantic, inspired so many other women to believe that yes they can, achieve anything. Jack Roosevelt "Jackie" Robinson; The first African American player to break the color barrier that was established in the major league of baseball. He was a member of six World Series teams, earned six consecutive All-Star Game nominations and won several awards during his career, and undoubtly changed the game forever and for the better. Most recently, Tiger Woods; even during the so called "Modern Times", was able to break the silent but quite real, color line that was such a part of the Golf World. And in doing so, he has inspired so many other kids from all races and creed, to believe that Yes they can, do anything! Not to mention the fact that the standard by which the game of golf is played, has been raised, making everyone a better player. And now comes Barack Obama. Let us forget for a moment his racial makeup, and instead let's concentrate on the man himself. To have endure all the barriers put in place by life. Raised by a single mother (A Welfare recipient)and still grow up to attend Columbia University (which by itself is an incredible achievement for anyone), and then not only make it to Harvard Law school, but to be elected in 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review(Imagine the qualities he must poccess, in order to convince his fellow law students to vote for him). So, we as a country will only benefit greatly, from elevating such a human being to the highest office in the land. Regardless of color, gender, religion, etc. Anyone, anyone that is able to surpass all the barriers put in place to stop his/her progress towards equality, can't really be nothing short of a blessing!!! Today an African American, tomorrow a woman. The day after an Asian American and then a ...

Posted by: P.A.A. | May 10, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"Why has it been so necessary for the clintons to 'race bait' especially with the uneducated (who know nothing about their CURRENT AND PAST ILLEGALITIES) "

WTF? For every poster like you there is at least one who thinks the SC comments were an overblown creation of the MSM. I think black voters find comfort in labeling the Clintons racist so they can feel OK about betraying them.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I like Obama first
I like McCain second

Obama stands for change.

He is not a lifelong Washington politician, he's moved from years in State politics to the Federal government, and that's a good thing.

Obama is the Captain now of Democrats who can change the running of the country by taking it from the hands of the old guard.

"O CAPTAIN! my Captain! our fearful trip is done;
The ship has weather'd every rack, the prize we sought is won...
O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up--for you the flag is flung--for you the bugle trills;
For you bouquets and ribbon'd wreaths--for you the shores a-crowding;
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning"
-Whitman

"100 year of war and depression have us dreaming of better living; the type of place to raise kids in."
-Rap lyrics

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 10, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

It is just too difficult for me to believe that the white racism I see here is so blatant and I can only associate that much HATE AND BIGOTRY to the clintons (WJC in SC and HRC going forward in a 'lost cause' stating "more hard-workiing white middle class workers" would vote for me). Why has it been so necessary for the clintons to 'race bait' especially with the uneducated (who know nothing about their CURRENT AND PAST ILLEGALITIES) and the W. VA. rednecks (who have been 'racists' since birth as they were taught by their parents from infancy to hate anyone who did not look just like them - (I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT SINCE I WAS MARRIED TO ONE MANY MANY YEARS AGO). As a result, HRCs base of support are just IGNORANT! SHAME ON THEM! HOW UNAMERICAN CAN YOU GET? If you really want more of Bushco, then vote McSame and that is exactly what you will get. If you are Dems, then act like Dems and vote for the nominee!

Posted by: ObamasGrannyGirl | May 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"Obama seems to think that if he makes nice now everyone will forget all the 'silliness' uncovered during the primary. He does know the republican machine will replay it day after day after day, right?"

Geeez, I wonder what THAT will be like...

Posted by: DDAWD | May 10, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm a lifelong Democrat, however, after seeing how deceptive, ruthless and divisive Obama has been throughout this campaign, I could never vote for him. Better a moderate Republican than Obama. Also, I don't think I could stand another 4 or 8 years of race cards being thrown at all who disagree. That's really getting old.

Posted by: Marlene | May 10, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

All of you idiot Clintonistas...you want to vote McCain instead, just so she gets her shot in 2012? Go ahead, dummies. Obama will just kick her a** again.

Posted by: LW | May 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Hillary; first choice
McCain; second choice
Obama -- NEVER

Posted by: Fred | May 10, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Come November, I will vote for whomever the Democratic Nominee is. If it is Barack, however, I will neither donate to him nor will I campaign for him. I don't believe in him as a leader, but I guess life gives us few options.

Posted by: EdJ | May 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

FYI: A little history about WV. No Dem has been elected POTUS without winning WV in the GE since 1916, I think. Consider the states of WV, Ky., Ohio, Pa., and Fla. that any one of these could mean a defeat for the Dems and by everything we know, at this time, Hillary wins all of them and Obama loses all of them. The other scenario is that the Dems must win two out of these three, Ohio, Pa., and Fla., and again I will point out based on information available, Obama loses, Hillary wins. These are some of my reasons for believing Obama has ZERO chance of winning in 2008.

Posted by: lylepink | May 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

As a Democrat I feel we need to come together as Democrats and stop with all the racial divides of this country. I think it's sad that we as a nation still harbor so much hipocracy toward one another and is so quick to tell other countries how to run and treat their people when we can't fix our own problems. Yes, I'm an African American and voting for Barack Obama, not because he's black but because I really feel that he can help close the bridge between the races in this country. They all have baggage, some most than the other, we need to let it go and move on! What we need to realize is that the Media continue to feed us this mess and we continue to buy in to it. They pick and choose what they report and we keep playing into it causing a lot of this mess. If the Democrats loose this election, in my opinion it's the DNC's fault. They can end this but continue to allow the bickering to go on.

Posted by: RR | May 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I have serious doubts that Hillary raked in $10 million after the victory in Pennsylvani in 36 hours. We'll see how much she got for April very soon.If the whole month is shy, then there are doubts that she really got that much in 36 hours or Terry McAuliffe and the Clinton campaign was telling one more big lie to make things better than they were. If she got $2.5 million from the Elton John concert and she had some private fundraisers, she wouldn't be in that bad of shape. I think we will all know where the bear pooped in the buckwheat to clean up an old farmer phrase.

Posted by: majorteddy | May 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Nannie - I have not noticed that Obama supporters have stopped spewing their hatred. Just look down this page. I would never affiliate with these kinds of people and therefore would never support Obama.

Posted by: independent for anyone but BHO | May 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

As an independent, it amazes me that Obama supporters are declaring victory if he wins the primary. You do know that most independents, Reagan democrats, hispanics, moderate republicans, etc. will not support him in the general? Obama seems to think that if he makes nice now everyone will forget all the 'silliness' uncovered during the primary. He does know the republican machine will replay it day after day after day, right? He does know that there will be a convenient 'incident' with Iran in, say, Octboer that will make people shy away from a candidate who appears to be soft on foreign policy? He's either extremely arrogant or ridiculously naive.

Posted by: Independents for experience | May 10, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Well the GOP tactics have become clear, but not a surprise by any stretch. Again they will try to treat Americans like sheep, as if they are too lazy and ignorant to realize they are being played yet again but divisive fear-mongering tactics that got our country into this mess, both Internationally and economically. With Bush's approval ratings the lowest in American history, the GOP has failed to realize that now Americans are paying very close attention and realize that their vote really does matter. They know that our very presence in Iraq is now the primary motivating recruiting tool used by Al Qaeda, which is now much stronger in its numbers than it ever was in 2001. Americans realize that there may actually be Diplomatic alternatives that should be used instead of our current Foreign Policy disaster that has put our country at its lowest prestige Internationally in decades. McCain himself finally has admnitted and proclaimed in a townhall meeting of his, "Never again willwe send our troops to fight a war for oil." I could actually see Bush cringing at that. With oil companies trying to spike the prices as high as they can to take as much profit as they can before Bush leaves office, the GOP can take pride in knowing they did this to our country. 4000+ and counting are dead, thousands more injured for life and the GOP and the Bush administration sends 40,000 troops unfit for duty BACK? McCain wont support the GI Bill to support our troops after the service they have provided? And he continues to saber-rattle now for war with Iran? ENOUGH. With 81% of Americans in agreement that our country is clearly on the WRONG track, fear-mongering tactics about Ayers and Wright as distractions to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt about a genuine, intelligent, thoughtful candidate like Barack Obama, who is back by millions and counting simply wont be tolerated this time. We know Obama isnt a Muslim. We know Obama isnt a terrorist sympathizer. We know Obama wants to bring all Americans together to get our country back on track. To focus on distractions will not distract Americans from knowing that our country is in very real trouble economically. Whether or not and half-white half-black guy, raised by a single white mother in Kansas on food stamps is attempted to be painted as elitist by the GOP hoping Americans havent grown a brain this election - please continue to insult your constituency - we will be more than happy to take even more Republican crossover who feel they have been grossly misrepresented and fear the misrepresentation will continue as McCain aligns himself with the failed Bush policies of the past. Please continue to focus on Wright and Ayers to see if Americans arent seriously paying attention THIS TIME knowing that it takes a little more than having a beer with a voter to run our country into a ditch. Keep driving that distraction bus as far as you can. Americans for the most part have wisened up to the FOX/Rove/GOP playbook and now know when they are being played.

Posted by: With Open Eyes | May 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

youbetcha===I agree with you that some Obama supporters are being nasty. But I see comments like halfrican and you have to realize that these are not all coming from one side. There have been a lot of racially tinged comments form people who say they are Democrats and sexist comments from the same. I can't believe we are getting this in a party that has worked for 45 years on equal rights for all and invested so much in fighting an uphill battle over discrimination in all forms.

Posted by: majorteddy | May 10, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

If Senator Clinton is not nominated,I will join the vast majority of my party and vote for Senator McCain.I notice that,suddenly the Obama supporters have dropped the hate and venom they are usually spewing,probably with the hope that we will switch our support to Egobama.The difference in the Clinton supporters and the Obama cult is that we care more about our country that an empty suit American Idol.This is just some sort of a diversionary game to you people.We are not taken in by Obama's lies and deciet.We've had enough of that from Bush and co.We are too smart to be taken again.No Olive branch is going to work.

Posted by: Nannie Turner | May 10, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

people have two choices. When Bush took office gas was $1.46 a gallon. The national debt was $6 trillion. We were at peace. The nation was trending toward a budget surplus. Now we are $9.5 trillion in debt, gas is around $4.00 a gallon, and we are spending $5000 a second, $300,000 a minute and $18 million an hour on the war in Iraq. The fat cats got lots of tax cuts and McCain wants to give them more while people are losing their homes. Medical costs are going up and people are losing their insurance all the time. If you like this state of affairs, vote Republican. If you don't like it vote Democrat. It's that simple.

Posted by: majorteddy=== | May 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Keep up the anti-Obama propaganda, Clintonistas -- it only proves how mean & vindictive you are -- and why you're attracted to the candidate who is most like you.

Posted by: nads1 | May 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If Obama get elected president what will all you haters say then!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

This guy is so lame! BOYCOTT CNN & MSNBC for manipulating the Presidential election with the biased pushing of obama before researching.

http://www.dontvoteobama.net.

Obama needs to tell us more about his relationship with Ayers. It's important because voters might well wonder whether that relationship, coupled with Obama's longtime relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is just the beginning of a pattern, a pattern in which Obama seems quite comfortable with people who really, really, really don't like the United States of America. If you question him or his values or policies, you're part of the "divisive, distracting" practices voters associate with Washington. If you become an unquestioning, adoring political groupie, you're not. Them's the Obama Rules.
One day after being drubbed by Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania to the tune of 200,000+ votes, Obama's chief political adviser David Alexrod was on National Public Radio claiming that white working class Democrats barely exist and hardly matter.
Axelrod said, "The white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years. This is not new that Democratic candidates don't need or rely solely on those votes."

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how writers to this blog can seriously try to tag a man with a black father and a white mother, and who was raised in white society, as a racist. If it is because of what his former minister has said, lets look at the statements of those who have ministered to the Clintons, Regan, Nixon, Carter, Bushes, and other presidents, and see how they stack up. They do not stack up well.

Posted by: joewmaine | May 10, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line: He cannot win on black vote alone "if" he is the dem nom, he needs Clinton, her supporters WILL NOT support Obama unless she is on the ticket.

Memories of Obama's recent racial stereotype of the 'typical White person' are still fresh. Add to this now his view of the 'typical small town person.' Obama is quoted as disparaging residents of small towns in Pennsylvania as being "like a lot of small towns in the Midwest" where "it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Obama is unapologetic, even dissing of voters in Florida and Michigan one has to wonder what groups of Americans he really respects?

Racist wife, Michelle, saying she was proud of America "for the first time" only because of her husband's presidential run.

Obama explained he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or hold his hands to his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance because it is a substitute for patriotism,

Obama confirms his own moral obliviousness and he seems to have disdain for those who are troubled by his own unwillingness to break with The Great White hater Rev Wright

Rev Wright says you don't have to wait for the afterlife for the mansion on the hilltop, he's right! To shut him up Trinity United Church of Christ is building Rev. Wright a $1 mil house on a lot that was purchased for $345,000. According to federal income tax return Obama gave $222,500

Wright continues his Obama supported attacks on non-blacks Wright states Jesus death on the cross was a public lynching Italian style.

Obamas senate record shows he infact did support the war voted against bringing America's troops home, voted for war appropriations giving our money to Halliburton and Blackwater, voted with Bush/Chaney latest bit of posturing S433 to suspend any troop withdrawal, if not suspended, keeps the troops in Iraq for a long time to come.

Washington Post- Fact Check- Senator Obama CAUGHT LYING about Kennedy Role in Helping His Father Contrary to Obama's claims in speeches Kennedy family did not.

Chicago Daily Herald- Obama refers to himself as 'a constitutional law professor on the campaign trail. TRUTH: He never held any such title!

The Democratic candidate Obama and his wife earned $4.2 million last year -- four times as much as they had in 2006. Made $240,370 in charitable contributions. Their largest gifts were to the United Negro College Fund ($50,000), the international relief organization CARE ($35,000) and Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago ($26,270). The Obamas contributed just $6 in 2007 to the federal fund that provides public financing for presidential campaigns in exchange for limits on spending. Not so struggling middle class and Michelle says they struggle to pay for piano lessons.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

GOD DAMN AMERICA.....
....
for killing innocent Iraqis'. Your right racist church. Given that the bible talks about being damned for such things... I guess you all read the readers digest version.

Black churches are the way they are because of us white folks. For example take a look at the earnings of attorneys:
1. White men
2. White women
3. Black men
4. Black women

Why is it that way?

Posted by: jimbobillybob | May 10, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Obama Extends an Olive Branch Toward Clinton

I commend Obama on his ability to refrain away from being judgemental concerning situations. It reflects his great ability and respect for another's opinions. Especially when he chose not to conclude much say so on the incident in Burma at present. Because true, he dosen't know what efforts Bush or Condelezza Rice have forwarded in that matter. He has great decision making ability, which is what we should all try in doing sometimes. Don't be quick to jumo and assume without the facts in place. Obama has a unique ablitiy that surpasses a lot of mindset, one that have proved to be conclusive in forwarding fine judgements concerning a vast number of concerns of the American people and those abroad as well. We need to stop and reevaluate what it is that America actually needs despite the hate or whatever opposition that we may seem to inhabit within our hearts in regards to Obama. I have no respecter of persons and have no problem in communicating with the majority, because I have always catered to the interests and concerns of the need to progress on a positive note at all times. Being a realist and a humanitarian, I refuse to be biased when it comes to reality and the truth of any matter or concern. Obama is the best elect, I accept the fact and now it is time to move on into a better tommorrow for all. Embrace the change, life is to short not too.

Posted by: Nisey01 | May 10, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Obama Extends an Olive Branch Toward Clinton

Apparently, the majority of these people writing in some of these blogs can't see the forest for the trees. Obama has in more ways then one extended repectful aid to Hillary. Hillary is just in denial and disbelief that the majority have favored Obama in this election. Actually, he has ran a clean, well organized and inspiring campaign with extreme solidifying attributes. A more focused and indept campaign with the American people's interest's and concerns at the forefront of it. He has given clarity in his intentions for the American people. Hillary has forwarded a very dsyfunctional, unparellel, destructive and oppositional campaign, somewhat like how the American people are experiencing now in America. We need to get away from the biased and unbenefiting chaotic routine and focus on a settling and constructive protocol. The world at large and the people need to restore and build not continually destruct and destroy. Life is too short to continue in such a chaotic state, nor to we need to forward our future generations such a 'mess'.

Posted by: Nisey01 | May 10, 2008 6:32 AM | Report abuse

Talk about sore losers. HC supporters,please tell me one thing Obama has done wrong to Hillary? I mean I know it hurts now to potentially lose, but what has he done or said? Are you all so vengeful that you would put McCain in the WhiteHouse to add judges that over turn landmark cases, continue the war and God knows what else just so Obama doesn't win? Then you are just plain stupids. If you believe Clinton loves this country then behave the way Clinton says she is going to behave. She says she will do everything she can to get him elected. Have the same integrity that she is claiming.

Posted by: Mona | May 10, 2008 5:57 AM | Report abuse

Wow!

This got ugly...

I am flabbergasted by all of the hatred and animosity in here. Sadly, I am not really surprised. America is still full of hatred and fear.

Thankfully, it is not nearly as bad as it once was. Put it all on the table people, get it all out.

Feel better?

Good.

Keep it rockin'

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 10, 2008 5:37 AM | Report abuse

I've spoken to scores of Democrats and not one of them will vote for Hillary, so maybe we're all full of **** at this point.

Democrats will close ranks around the nominee. Any Democrat who says otherwise is a childish, immature imbecile.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2008 5:37 AM | Report abuse

It is not unreasonable to assume that those who have attended KKK meetings for 20 years are racists. It is also not unreasonable to assume the same about Obama, who attended a racist black liberation theology church for 20 years.

Posted by: George | May 10, 2008 4:29 AM | Report abuse

eljefejesus: You forgot a very large fourth category; those of us Democrats who are not drinking the Kool-aid, and see Obama for what he really is. We understand that he is an inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless and divisive candidate, and will never vote for him, period.

Posted by: Eddie | May 10, 2008 4:16 AM | Report abuse

There are 3 sources of attack against Obama

#1) Republican supporters / activists / hired goons trying to prolong inter-Democratic fighting by playing "sock puppets"

#2) Temporarily mad real Clinton supporters who will eventually vote AGAINST recession and perpetual wars like she advised them to.

#3) Truly bitter people willing to be blinded and racist.

Obama already runs even against McCain.
By the time the rational and even lukewarm supporters making the largest share of Clinton's support move to his side, the extremists will be irrelevant.

Obama over McCain in a landsline.

Vote for change

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 10, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse

Once Obama is President of the 57 US states he is going to meet with the President of Canada. You decide for yourself if he is smarter than a 5th grader.

http://tinyurl.com/6cp7qs

At a later stop Obama was talking with reporters and expressed concern he'd also mis-stated the number of potential cyclone victims in Burma. He said, ""I hope I said 100,000 people the first time instead of 100 million. I understand I said there were 57 states today. It's a sign that my numeracy is getting a little, uh." At that point, an aide cut him off and ushered journalists out. Before he could mis-speak again?) --- Obama; what an embarrassment.

Posted by: Sue | May 10, 2008 4:07 AM | Report abuse

Sylvan: Can you imagine in your mind that someone who is not a racist, may have an extreme distaste for Obama? The race card is getting really old. I, for one, am not looking forward to an Obama administration with 4 or 8 years of race cards being thrown by him, and his supporters, towards all who disagree. Obama must be stopped for the good of this country, not because he is black, but because he is inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless and divisive.

Posted by: Amy | May 10, 2008 3:48 AM | Report abuse

If not Hillary, then "Democrats for McCain." I will never vote for the deceptive, racist Obama.

Posted by: Ernest | May 10, 2008 3:45 AM | Report abuse

I am deeply offended and horrified by the incendiary posts with regards to Senator Obama. There seems to be a racist undercurrent to these posts which is at once ridiculous and troubling. I ask that those who feel that these posts resonate with their own sentiments seek counsel immediately, as it is a sick, sick world that judges an individual by outward appearance alone.

Posted by: Sylvan Z | May 10, 2008 3:39 AM | Report abuse

If not Hillary, then "Democrats for McCain." I will never vote for the deceptive, racist Obama.

Posted by: Ernest | May 10, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

McCain has lost his bearings, I prefer the Negro.

Posted by: hammerdown | May 10, 2008 2:37 AM | Report abuse

Edward,

I am still waiting... Point me to a creditable source. I am all about doing the research.

Until then, it's all emotional response to me. I make decisions based on facts that can be documented and verified. Not speculation or emotion based statements.

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 10, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

So these three republican trolls walk into a blog...

Posted by: 6 | May 10, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Obama is toast; racist toast.

Posted by: Jill | May 10, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Greenfund: I agree. Obama hasn't a chance in the general election. I've spoken to scores of Democrats, and not one of them will vote for Obama. Compared to Obama, almost anyone else looks good. If Hillary is not the nominee, then McCain will get our votes.

Posted by: Sam | May 10, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm starting a group here in California -- Democrats for McCain. Anything to defeat the inexperienced, arrogant, and deceptive Obama.

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 8:14 PM

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are you sure you all will be able to find the meeting hall in your blind stupid hatred?

Posted by: My name is Sally and I bore people to death...I really do | May 10, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Hillary; first choice
McCain; second choice
Obama -- NEVER

Posted by: Fred | May 10, 2008 12:45 AM

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How the ladies choose it:

A hot guy: first choice
A guy with some human characteristics: second choice
Fred: HELL TO THE NO

that's usually where you line up, right?

Posted by: My name is Fred and my pants are two sizes too small | May 10, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Obama will crash and burn in a general. Half of all Democrats voted AGAINST him. The Clinton supporters he didn't offend, his nasty surrogates and vile supporters did. Good Luck. I am voting for McCain. Apparently I will have a lot of company. Obama and his supporters were always so shortsighted.

Posted by: greenfun | May 10, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Vance said: Still waiting for all of the so called evidence the media is hiding about Obama.. I love a good conspiracy.

Vance: It wouldn't matter what the media had on Obama anyway; you wouldn't believe it. Obama could kill a baby on television, and his cultists would say it was a mercy killing.

Posted by: Edward | May 10, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Hillary; first choice
McCain; second choice
Obama -- NEVER

Posted by: Fred | May 10, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

"Obama is full of crap."

Ah, but Hillary never lies.

"I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary."

"I dodged sniper fire in Bosnia."

"I've always been a Yankee fan."

"Those missing legal papers just SHOWED UP one day!"

"I have fond memories of hunting grouse during my Pennsylvania childhood."

"I have no idea how that White House furniture showed up at our mansion in Chappaqua."

"Chelsea was SUCH a beautiful baby."

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Still waiting for all of the so called evidence the media is hiding about Obama..


I love a good conspiracy.

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 10, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

"Just be aware that in doing you may also be sacrificing your reproductive rights."

Pub appointees tend to be constructionists, who favor a strict (limited) interpretation of the Constitution. Since abortion "rights" are not mentioned in the Constitution, said appointees would probably punt the issue back onto the states.

After decades of legal wrangling, a resident of Utah might have to merely weekend in Nevada to get her abortion ... so I wouldn't lose too much sleep over the issue.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Aaron, Hilary does have a point in that there are plenty of whites who simply will not support a black candidate. There are a number of reasons for that. I saw a post from a guy today who claimed that if Obama get elected he will imprison all whites in a concentration camp for the wrongs whites did to black with slavery. But the main problem is unscrupulous politicians like Hilary who instead of appealing the best of human nature, appeals and panders to the worst.

Posted by: str8talk | May 9, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama is full of crap. So our country wants more crap! Talks better, looks a little better, but still crap..LOL!!!

Posted by: Cheryll | May 9, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

LORDY! That Black Man must be Coke-Crazed(Or since he's Happa Haole, Happa Lolo!),

He's trying to Hit that Lady with a Branch!


LOL! She sure can move fast, even with Thunder-Thighs and all! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 9, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

And you will have a lot of assistance in helping to defeat this BO guy with no experience who is being shoved down our throat by the media, Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson and every other slime. You go, Girl! And you will be helped --- believe me. If Hillary does not run as an Independent, then I will be voting for McCain.
Posted by: Jill

Go ahead, vote for McCain! Just be aware that in doing you may also be sacrificing your reproductive rights. Remember the next president will probably be appointing 3, count that (3) new supreme court justices.

Posted by: str8talk | May 9, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I did not say this, Clinton claims that lower-income and uneducated white Democrates will not vote for a black guy.Obama need her supporters, therefore, he will not win.She argues despited 1 out of 10 African Americans voted for her, still give the nomination to her and the 90% of the African Americans will vote for her. That make no sense, but it may be true. She claims the hard-working white Democrates share the principles of the party if it her, but Obama is the nominee, won it fair, her supporters will switch party and go with a Republican that had made the mess that we are facing. This claim, I hope she is wrong, because she is saying that whites that are not wealth is racist and they will vote against their own well being, instead of voting for a candidate this is African American. That is an insult to her supporters, because Obama policies are 95% compare to her. I don't get that thinking. We need to started the 21th century over by turning the page on this non-sense.

Posted by: Aaron | May 9, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Many of us supporting Hillary will vote for McCain in the GE, and it has nothing to do with race. Once the BAD stuff about this guy begins to be made public, and it will despite The Media covering for him, and then many of you are going to realize what I, and others, have been trying to tell you for many months and run from him as fast as you can.

Posted by: lylepink | May 9, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

RE: Cory: I do care about this country very much. That's why I will do everything in my power to assist in the defeat of Obama.

Posted by: Kathleen | May 9, 2008 9:27 PM

____________________________

And you will have a lot of assistance in helping to defeat this BO guy with no experience who is being shoved down our throat by the media, Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson and every other slime. You go, Girl! And you will be helped --- believe me. If Hillary does not run as an Independent, then I will be voting for McCain.

Posted by: Jill | May 9, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Here is another latino supporting Obama since the start.

Most will join the party that DOESN'T bash immigrants for the general election.

McCain's not terrible, but Obama has much friendlier policies thanks to the Democratic base being less anti-immigrant.

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 9, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, but Zack knows. Just everyone else is wrong. Sure.

Posted by: Arthur | May 9, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Paul Stewart,

Get a life for yourself ---- really.

Posted by: Mod1 | May 9, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

The minute Obama announces he is giving Clinton MY name is the minute I contact them to get my name off their list. If I get any mail from Clinton, I'm going to mail them back a brick -- assuming the envelope is Business Postage Prepaid. besides, Obama supporters will be using their discretionary income for the GE -- if not to Obama directly, to the Party.

You want Hillary to feel good about the process? By her a BOB and tell her to stick it where the sun don't shine.

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 9, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I've heard so much about the R's and the D's not supporting one bill or another so that the other side doesn't get credit for it. It really makes me sick. I believe both John M and Barack O. intend to put an end to that. I have my preferences, but really, what we need is someone with the courage to point fingers at the culprits who are creating these kind of destructive, negative approaches.

Here's to hoping the next Prez will step up to the plate and cross the isle.

Posted by: Stan | May 9, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Voting to authorize war? A lifetime of pitting people against each other?

Posted by: gmundenat | May 9, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

amurcia - Ah, another seething partisan who SOMEHOW doesn't see that there isn't a speck of difference between Obama's and HRC's platforms. Such as they are.

You folks are truly amazing.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

NandiT--Just reacting to the headline. It's obvious that Obama was not supposed to win, but he has. Who is going to stop him? The days of jockeying to play golf with Massa Clinton are over.

If the youth vote shows up for Obama in November, McCain will be but a speed bump.

Posted by: gmundenat | May 9, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

amurcia ,

Funny.. Last I checked I lived in Cali.. Culver City No doubt...

I beg to differ..PS... I know Arnold personalty,... A different kind of Rebub.. Hmmmm..Guess again...


Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"The Democratic party will never nominate a minority for president in their party."

Uh ... hello?

Slate's Hillary Death Watch has her chances now at 2.4%

Lessee ... that means a 97.6% chance that the Dems WILL nominate a "minority for president in their party."

Anybody in there?

:)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

We Reagan Democrats here in CA will NOT!!!!vote for Barry Hussein Obama, ever. Lots
of talk about McCain now, we have a well
like sort of different Republican as the Governor. Obama will not win in November
here in CA. He is a divider and has began
to pander to us Hillary supporters and the Jewish. Also Hispanics which are 20% of voters overall will upset the AA vote, they will also never vote for Obama, there is tensions between the two, Hispanics lean
Republican in many states. Hillary can run again in 2012.

Posted by: amurcia | May 9, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Extending an olive branch for what? Boyfriend do you and the media still not get it? The Democratic party will never nominate a minority for president in their party. Hillary is the means to the end she is the only one left to deny you and you will be denied hon. It has never been the purpose of the Dems for you to be the nominee they never intended for it to get this far and they would rather see the Democratic party destroyed before they allow any minority to be their presidental nominee. And how do you extend an olive branch to someone who continues to tell you and your supporters she does not want or need your votes now or later. Wake up! and quit embarassing yourself! It does not matter if you win the next six states or not you will not and cannot be their nominee and they are going to deny you they do not have a choice. If they are smart they will tell you and your supporters sooner than later. I have never been a fan of Obamas but I feel sorry for him and his base and his supporters. I am so glad I am a Republican!

Posted by: NandiT | May 9, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama, having just denied a truly vicious human being her lifelong ambition, extends an olive branch? To Hillary? O may want to count his fingers.

Posted by: gmundenat | May 9, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Vance - Maybe you are right about the religious stuff..I was just getting a little full and had to reach for what I know best when I hurt.

I think it is time for all of us Americans to wake up..white, black, red, yellow and brown... because the world is watching and America is drowning. Other nations are rising and becoming unified as we are still fighting for equality for all Americans in this country, while our economy is sagging and so many people are struggling and hungry. We are becoming increasingly hated around the world, and we are losing our power while countries like Iran are basking in our self hate.

As much as we refuse to admit it, racism is playing a major part in this election. But good trumps evil and this too shall pass.

Wake Up America!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sara | May 9, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Paul Stewart... How much to have you come speak at an event? LOL.. Well said...

Man, I have been in here way too much today...


Ha!

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Many of the comments here are by Republicans for McCain and blindly faithful Clinton supports. I think the extreme rehtoric about switching parties, running as independent etc. are from Republican people with an interest in cratering the Democrats, or from small minds for Hillary who can't see the big picture. Neither can win on reality and fundamentals, so they are grasping at what will clearly be revealed as straws.

You know what, all of this chatter is pretty small stuff. For example, trying to label Obama as elite, a liberal's liberal, or of being guilty of all manner of things through guilt by association. It is ridiculous. I suggest to those engaged in it that you might step back and think about your country. Try thinking about what is the best way to get a "win" for you and America as opposed to a "win" for your candidate. Reconsider the mind set of just doing anything, regardless of morality and common sense. Name calling, false accusations and slander are hardly moral approaches. Spend your energy looking for ways to build your fellow Americans up, not cut them down.

I believe that Obama is a natural for President at this time. He will beat McCain as well as Clinton. Why? Americans have had enough and in these elections the people will truly make their power felt. Obama is offering America what she needs. I think Obama was born to lead America at this time of crisis. To bring an end to her long trials and fear and to get her back on her way forward. He is an American opportunity, granted what he looks like and who he is, might be a bit of a surprise to some.

Those arguing that Obama can't win this collar or that collar, this color or that color, this age or that age, this gender or that one, hard working or harder hard working. Well, sorry, everyone's vote is equal and Obama is reaching out to all Americans - each and every one in all States and conditions. He is for them all and will lead and represent them all even those that might not vote for him. He will lead the way that is best for a United (States of) America.

That is what good leadership is. It is not articulating detailed policies on a campaign trail - it is providing the moral compass that provides the bearings for America to move forward. It is providing common sense and clear principles to direct the thought process and resources of millions of Americans who go about their business every day. Sorely missing of late and not available from the other alternatives today.

Open minded Americans watching closely can see Obama's intent. More will see it despite many partisans and destructive icons trying to keep things business as usual. I believe the negative politics of character destruction and guilt by association will not work when used against Obama. It is so extreme, it will simply reinforce his message.

The years of fear mongering and divisive politics, name calling, and labeling people to segregate them from "the main stream", and heinous acts and out right lies (covered up by those that should be exposing them), are coming to an end. Look at all the noise that has been made so far about Obama and of course this will continue - just look at some of the outrageous and sensational comments made over small matters. Yet, it has not and I think cannot damage Obama's standing with honest thinking voters.

President Bush and his administration have been blatant and incredibly arrogant and aggressive with character assassination. I think it makes everyone queasy. And it gives pause for thought - what happens if they don't like me? What happens if I need to speak out?

Why not vote in someone whose goal is to change the politics and who has grass roots backing to do it. Instead of saying you need experience within the difficult complex labyrinthian maze that is Washington, let's just tear the maze down. Let's open up the system so all can understand - that's called transparency and accountability to the people. If we can't understand it the way it is, surely something is being hidden. This change in politics won't come easy but it can be forcefully done with voting power - just vote this type of politics, and politicians that practice it, right out of office. And vote in a President who has articulated and will carry out this mandate.

People have the power to do this in a democracy - it is the underlying strength of America. Admittedly, it is not a perfect system. Some of those that obtained the levers of power, don't mind taking full advantage to expand power unto themselves - this must be stopped cold now! America must not receed to a second or third world country system.

I see in Obama a Reaganesque persona - a positive, clear, and truthful vision, strong morals, principled and tenacious leadership. Not to mention grace and interpersonal skills and the ability to communicate well. It truly is not just words that is going on here. Nor is there any elitism. Confidence, clarity, calling things the way they are - these are desirable and necessary traits in a strong leader.

Open minded thinking Americans understand this and will be able to vote for it now. They will no longer be held hostage to their own fears of the unknown terrorist being stoked by political leadership. I believe they will vote Obama, for his leadership to restore American principles, morals, objectives, relationships and respect. They will take him up on his call to follow the dream of America's founders and seek to further perfect the state of her union.

I encourage Americans to think seriously about your voting responsibility. This is not a reality game played with the idea that your candidate must win at all cost. It is about restoring America's founding and humanitarian principles as the basis for moving forward. Restoring her as a shining example of humanity, intelligent common sense, industry and technological success. Restoring her as leader of the free world and against the dark terrorist forces.

Think seriously about it - like your life depends on it, and like your children's lives and futures depend on it too. Because they do. In both quality and quantity.

Some will try to label what I say here, put a negative spin on it . And they may say I am biased. Well I will admit at the outset that I have a bias, as should all of you. I am pro America, for all Americans including each of you.

I believe Americans of all kinds will push America back to truth, justice, and the true American dream. I believe they will also push her forward to greater unity. And, if there is any form of intolerance it will be for intolerance.

Americans will not stop in this grass roots political revolution until she truly leads the world once again. And, I think there is no better place to start than with Obama.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | May 9, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Sara,
I was with you until you started with the Bible stuff.. All religion aside, there seems to be a real change happening in America. yes the world is watching a judging.

More importantly, and I feel this is KEY. There are now a great many individuals in America who now LOOK BEYOND race. To me this is monumental.

Now, let's see where we go from here.

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Sara Sez:

"My gosh, so much hate.

He will never vote for Senator Obama even though Barack is qualified. I respect him more than some of you who are closet racists unable to say that you can ever vote for someone of color."

So you're saying that anyone who dosn't vote for Obama the reason is they are racist?

If Obama dosn't get 100% of the vote it's racism?

Lets grow up about this. People can have different opinions without being racist.

Posted by: Hamlet | May 9, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Sally...the Clintons pulled the race card and they didn't need to because black people loved them royally. My entire family and many of my friends were for Clinton over Obama early on and we voted accordingly. They could have easily had at least 35-40% of the black vote back then and even now...

But then the Clintons began to show their true colors. Why couldn't they have kept a clean, positive campaign based on her merits? Why was she involved in trying to destroy Obama? Could she not have set back and let the Republicans do what they do best: Divide and destroy? Why did they cater to the worst in white America to become elected? Why did she make insinuations that Obama was Muslim when she knew otherwise?

Simply put, she didn't have to. We loved them and all she had to do was run on the Clinton brand and kept it clean, but her true nature got the best of her. She appealed to her evil and it is bringing her down. If she would have appealed to her better side, she would be standing as not the presumptive nominee, but the nominee.

I guess it all well in good because you get to see someones true character when they are being tested.


Furthermore, nations worldwide are commenting about America's original sin - racism and if America is able to overcome her weakness...the UK, France, Germany, India, the New Zealand, even Communist China.

Everyone around the world is watching and taking notes:

As for Obama, he'll win..because the more hate that is against him, double the love that will be for him. As the scripture goes:

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their vindication is from Me," declares the LORD.

King James Bible
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

American King James Version
No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, said the LORD.

American Standard Version
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, and their righteousness which is of me, saith Jehovah.

Bible in Basic English
No instrument of war which is formed against you will be of any use; and every tongue which says evil against you will be judged false. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness comes from me, says the Lord.

Douay-Rheims Bible
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper: and every tongue that resisteth thee in judgment, thou shalt condemn. This is the inheritance of the servants of the Lord, and their justice with me, saith the Lord.

Darby Bible Translation
No weapon that is prepared against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that riseth against thee in judgment, thou shalt condemn. This is the inheritance of the servants of Jehovah; and their righteousness is of me, saith Jehovah.

English Revised Version
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness which is of me, saith the LORD.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
No weapon that has been made to be used against you will succeed. You will have an answer for anyone who accuses you. This is the inheritance of the LORD's servants. Their victory comes from me," declares the LORD.

Jewish Publication Society Tanakh
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their due reward from Me, saith the LORD.

Webster's Bible Translation
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is from me, saith the LORD.

World English Bible
No weapon that is formed against you will prevail; and you will condemn every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Yahweh, and their righteousness which is of me," says Yahweh.

Young's Literal Translation
No weapon formed against thee prospereth, And every tongue rising against thee, In judgment thou condemnest. This is the inheritance of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness from me, an affirmation of Jehovah!

Posted by: Sara | May 9, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Zack - We've already GOT progressive gummint in America. It's been institutionalized with Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, et al.

Demographics will drive the arrival of government-mandated health insurance. The Boomers, who are smart, savvy, and will vote in huge numbers, will see to it that they are all covered.

Self-interest WILL triumph, in bringing us closer to the European model of nanny state.

Ironic ... ain't it?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

If gas is $4.00 a gallon, and the war in Iraq is going badly, and Bush's favorable rating below 30%, The Democrats should run away with the election, whether it be Hillary or Obama. TIME FOR CHANGE!!!

Posted by: Don Hannaford | May 9, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

White Person, do you even have an ilk as to political tradition?

The winner OFTEN helps the loser with the campaign debt. If you want to learn the dynamics ..LOOK IT UP.

Hellooooo? Is this thing on?

It's not a bribe... It's an old tradition.
Look it up...

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Really, with HRC OR Obama, you Dems are getting the same shtick.

It's fringe far-left politics, whether glossed over by the smooth Barack or concealed (so she thinks) by Hill-Rod's ham-fisted smoke and mirrors campaign. (Lawd, what a clumsy oaf she's proven to be.:))

The bitter brouhaha over petty personalities has obscured the fact that they are two sides of the same coin.

And McCain will reap the centrists and indies by shear default, come November.

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 9, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I think the funniest thing about politics is that many people simply THINK they know politics. Others fake it by regurgitating sound bites and BS.

I see some very thoughtful and informed post here. These are refreshing. I have been a fan of politics since i was a teenager. I have studied and followed the process for many years. It is one of the most fascinating arenas one can follow.

Ten there are the emotionally charged post with no base, no research no history. Now here is the kicker. TRADITIONALLY politicians relied on the publics lack of knowledge.

We live in a new age of information. Both access and speed of said information.

This change in the game is MOST MOST interesting.. I love it!

The gaps are quite visible in forums such as these. We are an interesting animal.

Don't you just find life fascinating?

I do....


Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

It really is crazy that someone would switch to McCain because their candidate is not going to get the nomination. Obama and Clinton have practically the same platform and it's one that's opposite of McCain.
Pretty sad to see Democrats would rather put someone in the White House who's views are completely different from Hillary's and who is going to put super conservative judges in the supreme court. Aren't issues like the Economy, War, Supreme Court, etc the kinds of things that should matter? I know it hurts when your candidate doesn't win but you'd think you would at least want your candidates ideas/policies to get implemented instead of voting for someone who's the opposite of what Hillary political platform stood for.

Posted by: Cory | May 9, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

chuckamock- i believe the term these days is progressive... at least that's what i call myself. liberal implies ideology. progressive implies caring for your fellow human beings (instead of just your own self-interest and personal wealth), and wanting to try to figure out how to make all of our short stays on this planet (and those of the people to come after us) a little better. what if you hadn't had the fortune you've had in your life and couldn't afford health care, wouldn't you hope someone was trying to help you find a way to get it?

Posted by: zack | May 9, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZp0mpHsh6g

So now the slimy Obama campaign thinks it can BRIBE Hillary to quit. Typical Chicago sewer politicians.

He thinks that is taking the high road. The only "HIGH ROAD" he has ever taken was when he smoked crack and hash.

Posted by: Typical White Person | May 9, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

no worries sally, i didn't think you suddenly wanted to be me :)

sara, bob doesn't believe what he is saying he is trying to parody people in a really disgusting and unfair way. and you are being equally unfair by saying anyone who doesn't support obama or who chooses to feel that wright and ayers are an issue are racist. people can no support obama for other reasons... not accepting this just hardens their resentment of obama and obama supporters. if you want them to be tolerant of you, try showing a little tolerance in return... frankly it's what obama stands for and what obama wants... it's what he clearly definied in philadelphia. people of all races are entitled to resentment because we keep not talking about issues, we just keep blaming one another. if we talked, if we listened, if we learned... we might be able to heal and come together and deal with the issues that are hurting our country and each of us. that's what he said, that's what he wants. so if you want to be a true supporter, take the high road and adhere to that.

Posted by: zack | May 9, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Cory: I do care about this country very much. That's why I will do everything in my power to assist in the defeat of Obama.

Posted by: Kathleen | May 9, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Keep posting the same video Kathleen, nobody cares. You go on the campaign trail for as long as Obama has and you're bound to have some verbal mistakes. Nice to see you care about things that matter in this election.

Posted by: Cory | May 9, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Sara: There goes the race card, again. Ah, the race card; the last refuge for those who do not have an argument. Just one more reason to make sure Obama is not elected President.

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Sally - Politically, I see no difference between Obama and Hill-Rod.

He's a naked uber-liberal; she is - and has always been - a socialist.

They both want to tax you to death. For your own good, of course.

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 9, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse


Kathleen posted:
Once Obama is President of the 57 US states he is going to meet with the President of Canada. You decide for yourself if he is smarter than a 5th grader.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

---------------------------

Nah, he doesn't want to be president of 57 states...he wants to be the president of 48 states!!!!!! (And didn't want any state to vote after super Tuesday!)

I suggest the Hillary campaign start trotting out this version of the flag to symbolize the disenfranchisement of Fl & MI.

http://www.usflag.org/history/the48starflag.html

Posted by: Typical White Person | May 9, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

no bill clinton was involved in two previous races... you can have selective memory if you want, but hillary was as big a part of his election as bill has been of hillary's since they "put him on the bench." the difference this time around is that they are both great candidates and that they both represent two historic propositions, the first woman or the first black. and the other difference is that they represent two different approaches that comprise the folks of the democratic party... those who want a fighter and those who want a communicator (for lack of a better word, someone who wants to discuss issues and try to compromise and be pragmatic in order to get things done)... one who represents the long history of the culture wars, and one that wants to get past them. thus why you have young people who believe in a more pragmatic, less idealogical and battle oriented politics on one side, and baby boomers (and up) who have been fighting the fight for the last many decades on the other... it really comes down to a battle of generations and different styles of politics, and frankly is to a certain degree a battle over what the democratic party should stand for... so it makes sense that there is such a rift... but we all want the same thing ultimately, and those are things that the republicans don't want... so we need to find a way to work together no matter which of the two candidates wins. otherwise we all lose.

Posted by: zack | May 9, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I'm surprised at all the animosity toward Obama. He has counter-punched for the most part but has taken the high road for almost his full campaign.

To those of you who I see posting negative posts every time I read comments on TWP, regardless of whether you're an Obama, McCain or Clinton supporter: take a walk, hug a child, and in general, get a life.

Posted by: Matt in KC | May 9, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

My gosh, so much hate.

Bob, you are an idiot.

But at least Bob is being true to himself. He is a racist. He will never vote for Senator Obama even though Barack is qualified. I respect him more than some of you who are closet racists unable to say that you can ever vote for someone of color. So you choose hide behind Wrights, Ayers, abortion, guns, or any excuse you can think of to keep from looking like what you are, what Bob is and is proud of---

A racist.

You might as well put on your white hoods and sheets and stop hiding.

America has to do better than this. This election has uncovered the prejudice and discrimination in America that has been hidden under the rug. It never left. And people have the nerve to criticize Affirmative Action (which white women were the biggest benefactors). Imagine what many qualified people of color have to deal with on the job...held back because of the color of their skin due to covert racism...


Face it...Tell the truth...Tell the world....

Hello worldwide nations...Are you listening.....Peek into Americas dirty unkept secret ---She's Racist but too embarrassed to admit it...unless its Bob...

However, I have to give credit to most progress, forward thinking, Americans who are able to see when a person is qualifed for a job despite his or her color.


Posted by: Sara | May 9, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't resist. This really is funny (although it would be funnier if he was not running for President).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Posted by: Fred | May 9, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

zack..on abortion...
Thanks. I wasn't in the mood to type all of that....

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Chuckomuk: There goes the race card again. Keep right on using it. It only strengthens our resolve to assist in the defeat of Obama.

Zack: Sorry, I put your name in the "Name" post on my last comment by mistake.

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Jake- the abortion debate is a matter of relativism. i'm sure there are some people that really believe in abortion and would get one if they got pregnant or would want their significant other to get one if they got pregnant... i for one am not one of those people. but i'm also not that person who does have to carry the baby... and i'm not the one who gets to decide if that baby is considered a person or not. for all intents and purposes, i can see how some people think that when a fetus is still inside a woman's body it is part of that woman's body and i can also see why people consider it it's own living being (though the onus is still on that woman to carry it for 9 months, not on you-unless you're arnold schwarzenger in that one movie). so i'm pro-choice because i don't think i have the right to decide that for someone else, and i don't think my government should be deciding it either... but i personally abhor the notion of abortion (i mean why isn't adoption a reasonable alternative) and think we should do everything we can to limit unwanted pregnancies and promote alternatives to abortion... i'm sure that doesn't make you any less anti-choice... but hopefully it makes you realize that not all pro-choice people truly believe in abortion

Posted by: zack | May 9, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, blame Obama. How con-VEEN-yent.

Blacks have gotten uppity - and holy crap, now one of them DARES to run for Prez!!

The long papered-over divide in the Dem party has been cast into the open.

Hill-Rod, in a desperation attempt to keep her Relentless Ambition Tour afloat, has played the race card. I'm starting to believe she really DOES want to torpedo her own party, so she can run inn '12.

But then ... she IS a Clinton.

:)

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 9, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Zack: Yes, Hillary entered the process this year, also, but the "Clintons" have been involved in two Presidential races; none of which were characterized by the polarization we see now. Only Obama is new to the mix, and there are many of us who do not think that is a coincidence.

Posted by: Zack | May 9, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Nope. But, hopefully an imperfect McCain beats Obama in November ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Like I said... it's not a perfect world..

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

zack... great post..

If I may...

I am an African American male 40 years old.
I grew up in a Jewish suburb of Chicago. We were the FIRST African American family on the block.

The most racism I ever experienced was in the military. Go figure. I acknowledge it exist, but I also know it came be overcome.

There is nobody holding me down. I am in charge of my own ship. I am successful in spite of those few who have tried to hinder me. There will always be a reason for people to hate.

There will always be a reason to overcome hatred and unfounded judgments. WHY? They are counter productive. PERIOD!

I treat everybody with honor and respect until they give me a reason not too. Those reasons are based on their actions and deeds. Not their color or sex, or sexual preference.

Nuff said...


Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

sally and fred, you do realize that hillary entered the race this year too... so laying the blame on one candidate and not the other is really kind of unreasonable.

and jose, exactly what principle is it a matter of? that's what i'm missing here.

Posted by: zack | May 9, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

EdJ- there are plenty of moderates... but they don't blog specifically because they aren't polarized... at least most of them. there are a few like me who lean one way or the other, but would support the other candidate, who are trying to talk everyone of the ledge... but it doesn't seem to be working. i still think either one of them will beat mccain... but it'd be nice if we were unified and gave them a crushing defeat so they had the moral authority to institute changes to health care and the like.

Posted by: zack | May 9, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Fred: I agree with you. Only since Obama has the party suffered this kind of division. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Vance McDaniel:

No skin off my nose, but so much for your: "To wish the death of another human being is the most unfeeling and inhumane thing someone could wish upon another." I didn't even get to your questions, as you refuse to even agree on definitions first.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Zack: You can defend Obama as much as you want. I don't really think it is a matter of Clinton supporter arguing with Obama supporters anymore. I think it has gone too far for that. It is a matter of principal, now. Many of us will not vote for Obama, on principal, and no biased arguments will change our minds; no entreaties from the Democratic Party; and even no entreaties from Hillary herself. No, Obama must be stopped.

Posted by: Jose | May 9, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

EdJ: And why is the Democratic Party so split? Bill Clinton ran and won two times, and there was no such split. When Gore and Kerry ran against Bush, there was no such split. Only since the entrance of Obama into the process, has the Democratic Party faced this kind of fracture.

Posted by: Fred | May 9, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Analysis: 'Hillary Democrats' could be up for grabs

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_el_pr/hillary_democrats

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

y'all are absurd. no one was disenfranchised for obama's sake... that decision was made when everyone assumed hillary would coast to a win... and not reversed out of fairness, nothing more. it wouldn't have been fair to count the votes and revotes would have excluded independents who might have voted in the republican primary because they knew their vote wouldn't count in the dem... and in case you missed it, obama gets lots of support for independents. and he clearly isn't racist. the reason wright is so pissed at obama is because he rejects wrights assertions. obama is part of a new younger generation of leaders that are coming out of the black community who believe in engaging the government and looking beyond race and beyond the old resentments... wright is part of the old jesse jackson, al sharpton guard that like blaming institutional racism and whatever else for black people's problems, playing to their resentments, instead of trying to lift them up and call on them to take responsibility for the problems and challenges they face (a la bill cosby). by defining obama as a racist you only show your own resentments against black people (which neither i nor obama-as he made clear in his philadelphia speech- believe makes you a racist) that no doubt result from people like jesse jackson and things like calls for reparations and affirmative action. i don't blame you for feeling that way... but you're missing an opportunity to get past those very things by rejecting obama outright. i wish you'd see that. maybe in time. god willing.

Posted by: zack | May 9, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

zack - Obama was smart enough to beat the Clinton Machine. I'm impressed.

What's very amusing is Dick Morris. Last fall he was bloviating all over cable - "Hillary is a shoe-in as the next Prez," even while loathing her and BubbaJeffa for dumping him way-back-when.

Now he's gloating over Hill-Rod's stumble bum trail from Glorious Inevitabilty to Incompetent Also-Ran.

Ain't politics fun?

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 9, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

That darn Obama mama never done a thing for us. i voterd for Bill in 92 and 96 and im votin for Hil in 2008. Hil we love you in West VA and we aint votin for no n*ggr no matter what. White power and CLinton 2008 and we got your back

Posted by: Bob | May 9, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

As I am not here to debate Abortion rights, the answer is no. It is a pointless debate for you and I to engage in. I have my view on it and I live MY life based on my view.

It is not a flag I choose to pick up and carry. There are a great many causes out there for those who wish to champion.

I have mine, and you have yours.
Live long and prosper.

With regards,

Vance

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

EdJ:

Constitutionally, though, that would not work so well.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Kathleen: How about this one. Obama really is an embarrassment.

http://tinyurl.com/528yrl

Posted by: Fred | May 9, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Jesus! Reading through people's comments, I can see that the Democratic Party is EXTREMELY polarized right now. One side is completely for Obama and one side is completely for Clinton. There are very few moderates in this nomination race. Apparently Obama has more delegates than Clinton does, so naturally he is in the lead, but not by much. I think if the Democratic Party cannot find some consensus among the voters of each candidate, the party splits and guarantees a victory for John McCain. John McCain would be a disaster for the United States because he would continue the war in Iraq and help Bush milk a few more million dollars out of the White House. Right now, McCain is betting on the Democratic Party's self-destruction for his road to victory. I bet he wants this to happen and is encouraging it. I think that Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket would be an ideal solution to this problem. This would add most of Obama's and Clinton's support base together in November and possibly guarantee a McCain loss because Clinton will attract blue-collar voters while Obama will attract nearly all African-American voters. Or they could take this case to the Supreme Court and fight it out there...LOL. I was just kidding, but really, all Democrats need to unite against McCain no matter who is President...If the race is so close, why not trade off every day? One day Hillary can be president and the other Barack. I'm sure that arrangement will work well...:)

Posted by: EdJ | May 9, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Vance McDaniel:

No, it's not a perfect world. Care to answer MY questions now?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Sally.. Number one or Number two.. Whoever was first.LOL

The wonderful thing about a Democracy is that we can all vote for whom we like. It's the American way. It is the way I fought for as a Marine.

I am now a business owner and I am great friends with both Hillary supporters as well as McCain and Obama supporters.

Funny how that works huh?

In the end, we are all Americans, and there is no law that say we all HAVE TO get along or agree with each other.

Sure it would be nice, but......

I am sure you catch my drift.

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

It feels liberating to be an Independent after all those years as a Democrat.

I'd like to extend an olive branch to Obama.....

Screw you, you race-baiting, sexist phoney!

Posted by: Ex-Democrat | May 9, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Ex-Democrat: I agree with your sentiment. I will never again feel about the Democratic Party as I did before. The obvious bias towards Obama; the rationalization of racism; the disenfranchisement of millions of voters -- all to assist Obama in the nomination process. I, too, am now an Independent.

Posted by: George | May 9, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

so he is sexist because he beat hillary and race bating because he got offended when bill clinton tried to pigeon hole him as just another black candidate like jesse jackson when he was trying to be a "post-racial" candidate? seems reasonable...

Posted by: zack | May 9, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Is Barack Hussein Obama smarter than an American fifth grader. You decide for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Posted by: Kathleen | May 9, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

why is it automatically infatuation to support obama? i don't call you sexist for supporting clinton or racist for not supporting obama... so why do you have to generalize about me, or the other sally, or the 50% of the dem party and even great percentage of independents and cross over republicans who like obama as a candidate more than hillary?

Posted by: sally | May 9, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Ouch, I just got hit by a race card thrown by an Obama supporter. Another 4 or 8 years of that; no thanks.

Posted by: Justin | May 9, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Once Obama is President of the 57 US states he is going to meet with the President of Canada. You decide for yourself if he is smarter than a 5th grader.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Posted by: Kathleen | May 9, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

It feels good to be an Independent voter!

I'd like to extend an olive branch to Barack Obama........

Screw you, you sexist, race-baiting phoney!

Wow, that felt good!

Posted by: Ex-Democrat | May 9, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

No, it's not just threatening his life (you can't threaten to kidnap him or to inflict bodily harm, i.e. "kick his butt"):

18 USC § 871. Threats against President and successors to the Presidency

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary Wins the Rest of the States as even Predicted by Obama, She will be right their with him....Pretty Even.... Why do you think everyone is trying to get HILLARY to Drop out ......THEY KNOW AND ARE SCARED !!!!...... SO SUCK IT UP !!!

Posted by: IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO OVER, THE BEST IS YET TO COME | May 9, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Sally: I'm not here to educate you. I tried that for months; Obama supporters will not process any information which is inconsistent with their infatuation with him. So, I gave up. Do your own research. I'm only here now to say that I will never vote for Obama, and everyone I've spoken to about this issue feels the same.

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

See Valerie. See Valerie spin. And spin, and spin.

:)

Whatever. The Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton cycle has been preempted. Thank the lawd for that.

Now ... let the real games begin.

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 9, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

bob- shut up, we all see through it and it's not funny... you're the kind of person that gives obama supporters and in turn obama (who doesn't deserve it) a bad name.

Posted by: zack | May 9, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Joe: You're right. Threatening anyone is idiotic; voting against Obama is wise.

Posted by: Susan | May 9, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Sally: Unfortunately, we share the same name. I've noticed that your posts are nothing more than personal insults: you keep calling Obama "deceptive," but you state absolutely nothing to support your claim. How is he deceptive? That question you've never answered, and I have a feeling if pressed to the wall, the only thing you'll be able to think of is something silly and nonsensical, such as that he gave his former pastor the benefit of the doubt before distancing himself from him. It's people like you, who can mouth off personal insults instead of debating actual issues like the economy and um, I don't know, maybe the war we're in, who end up causing more problems. Get over yourself and think about what's at stake. Obama 08!

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Sally,
I misread that post. My Mistake. Agan, I ask for prof of Obama. And I put forth.. Having studied his entire history, that he is just as ready to run the country as Hillary, who I have also studied at great length.

When you break it down, the only real difference between the two is temperament.

Though, Hillary has more baggage as a result of the politics she has participated in. Still both are accomplished and have great talents.

I prefer Obama over Hillary, and both over McCain.

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I'd also like to point out.

Threatening the President is officially not a crime UNLESS you threaten his life.

You may still get investigated or asked to stop, but it's ONLY a felony crime when you threaten their life.

Imagine if just threatening them at all was a crime.

The President could interpret a threat as almost anything, a quick jesture, a frown, a harsh critque, or even a joke.

So, ONLY threats to kill them are truly crimes and as they say even in jest.

You can threaten however to kick his ass.

You can also WISH he would die, so long as you don't actually threaten to do it.

That's free will and specifically free speach.

Now, I wonder if you can curse the President. That's a good one.

Because, even in jest, still leaves a bit too much room for interpretation.

You can wish he chocked to death on that pretzel. Or you can wish he would be put on an IED finding team in Iraq.

You just can't specifiy yourself as the means to his end.

It's really a total BS law when you think about it. Anyone serious about an assasination attemp is so unlikely to send a death threat that it seems idiotic to make a law.

PLUS it's just about impossible to enforce.

You can wish the president to choke to death, but you can't wish them to choke to death on you.

What if I send the President a fruit bar and then wish he chokes on it ?

I mean, do you think we should spend tax dollars hunting down people who obvious have no intent of attemping an assasination.

You could make the DUMBEST most impossible joke... like.. threatening to command God to smite the President.

And, technically, the right DA can have you labeled an assasin.

The law really needs to be change to be a bit more practical, such as even in JEST, but capable of actually carrying out the threat.

If you threaten to the kill the President with a wet noodle for instnace. That's not something we need to pay taxes to prevent.

Posted by: Joe | May 9, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Debbie: You're right. I've never seen the Democratic Party so split as now. Obama knew he couldn't beat Hillary unless he destroyed the popularity of Bill Clinton, so with race cards and lies, he attacked the Clintons for his own ruthless ambitions. I would never vote for Obama, either. I believe he and his supporter in the media are going to get a big surprise in November.

Posted by: Valerie | May 9, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

nigres and nigres lovin Obama Hussein lovers you need to respekt ours comments cause we jus dont wont a nggr in the whitehouse. we aint ready now an we never will be for some uppty tar baby to come in a run stuff mint for whites. Call us racists if you wanna but thats a fact. i herd sum nigres on my job say they was gonna vote for Cinton but chanjed her tar baby mine when Clinton sterted to smear that boy Obama and ritefully so. Clinton is for us and she dont wont no nigres in the white house. White power

Posted by: Bob | May 9, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

Its not a perfect world is it my friend?

Sad, but true..

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Vance: I didn't say you used the race card; I said Obama and many of his supporters use it. Just look at this blog. If you don't like Obama, you must be a racist. Baloney! I wouldn't like an inexperienced, deceptive and ruthless politician like him if he was white or green.

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Before Obama is finished, he will have split the Democratic Party, set race relations back 50 years, and guaranteed the election of John McCain.

Posted by: Debbie | May 9, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Sally..

I don't recall using race or even mentioning it.. Please do not use my name in a way that I have not acted... Nor would I ever.. So you must have meant SOME OF Obamas SUPPORTERS.. . FOLLOWERS denotes something religious or cultist. I am neither.


My view on racism.. It is an excuse to act less than civil. I see no place for it. You do not have to support Obama. If you don't, I hardly would call it racist. I don't read minds. I don't know what anyones motivation past what they openly state.

I don't make assumptions or accusations.

I am a little more evolved than that.

Those who vote on race and or sex are selling themselves and this country short.

Those who vote with a lack of true knowledge and TRUE research, do the same.

It's not rocket science.


Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

lot's of off the wall, unsubtantiated comments on here. it's kind of scary how many people clearly believe what they are saying, but don't have any basis for it other than the belief in what they're saying. they only way obama has split the party was by being a good enough candidate to get the support of a large portion of the party, same for hillary... they are both great candidates... it's the partisan supporters who refuse to accept that the other candidate could actually be decent who are splitting the party. any other suggestion is just absurd. the media definitely didn't give us bush in 2000 or 2004. karl rove gave us them by playing the right tune to a lot of americans. in 2000 it was about bringing ethics and decency back to the presidency and tying gore to bill's monica adventures, in 2004 it was playing off people's fears about terrorism and cleverly getting anti-gay marriage initiatives on the ballots in key swing states to get more evangelical voters out. and last, but not least, sally calling obama one of the most deceptive candidates you've encountered in your lifetime is clearly an extremely subjective, partisan, and frankly inaccurate statement. he is no more, and in fact probably much less deceptive than bill clinton or george bush (jr or sr)... and probably add hillary clinton to the mix. he's done his share of pandering, but never taken it to the extreme that many candidates do. he refuses to make unending promises that it would be impossible for anyone candidate to accomplish in 4 or even 8 years. if you don't like him for beating hillary or for having a crazy, resentment filled pastor that's fine, but just say that, it's much more believeable and honest.

Posted by: zack | May 9, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I find it funny how defensive some people get about Obama and what he stnads for. What does he stand for? No one knows yet...

Yes he is smart and a good speaker, many people are. That doesn't automatically make someone a good president. He is a good salesman I'll give him that.

He is however THE most liberal person in the senate, some like that I do not. His health care plan? Expensive, I don't want to have to pay for it.

Posted by: Chris | May 9, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Jeremiah:

Your last night is not WRIGHT, is it?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Joe: It's not a matter of being polarized; it is a matter of not preferring Obama. No matter how hard the mainstream media and the DNC have tried to shove him down our throats, many of us are not fooled by him, and we will not vote for him, period.

Posted by: Alice | May 9, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Vance McDaniel:

I assume "not legislating what others do" stop short of REAL murder, right? The kind advocated by "Billary Supporter". So, you think that Scott Peterson killed one or TWO people?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Sally:

That trite canard is matched by the gender card. "If you don't like Hillary Clinton, you're a sexist."

I have actually been told by a close friend that I was being a sexist for not supporting Clinton.

Posted by: Jeremiah | May 9, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

What really funny is that the supopsedly damaging competition between the two DEM candidates shows up in the polls as an increasing advantage to BOTH Obama and Hilary.

That is, national polls show the DEMS are distancing themselves.

The idea that competition will hurt the dem primary is mostly total BS.

So, what are you all really whining about.

I think you're programmed to love one side and hate the other. This is the overly competative mindset driven in my years of media and mindless sports and game shows. America is basically an endless game show with Jerry Springer level contestents.

Stop being so easily polarized and divided.

The ONE group that gets the most out of an easily divided public are those using wealth to control the democracy.

You know, the mega corporations, the elite wealthy ... the owners of the BIG 4 media stations that control most American media and in many ways what you KNOW and ultimately what you THINK.

If you don't think that's so, I think you're in denial.

How could THE LAND OF THE FREE ever succumb so such a dirty trick to be wielded by the aristrocracy that it fled from so many centuries ago.

That could never happen ... right ?

Well, perhaps it's safe to assume wealth tends to corrupt ANY type of government.

How else could it possible work? You must concede that wealth is power. So then how can we be equally represented in government, when clearly the wealthy have more power. It's a major thorn in the side of democracy to allow such a minority to have such an overwhelming say far above and beyond their individual democratic rights.

For the wealthy to have that power, they must be oppressing someones rights. Say... perhaps... the working class.

So, unity is not option. It is an inevitablilty so long as the wealth gap continues to grow.

Even the cons will come back to the working class platform at some point as they realize the republican platform simply is not consevative, but rather corporatism.

Things change, the GOP is NOT the party of Lincoln. The GOP is NOT the party of small government, fiscal responsiblity or traditional family values.

That all sounds good, but it's simply not how the run their party or put together their legislation.

In the GOP's quest to re-gain power they've sold out to every demographic they could, and you can't do that and keep your platform integrity.

You can't borrow and spend and run a police state with the worlds most expensive military and call that small government.

You can't tell people who they can marry and call that small government. It's simply not.

In general a true conservative doesn't tell other people how to live their lives unless it DIRECTLY affects them... such as violent crimes aka murder and theft. We all agree that government should be big enough to regulate these behaviors.

The war on drugs however, that's IS NOT a conservative ideal, it's BIG GOVERNMENT ruling your life.

So, the GOP really has no platform at this point, rather they run on one set of ideals from the past while acting on another set of ideals in which they strive to win at any cost.

They need to oust the neo-cons and rethink what small government means.. OR admit they are all liberals who want huge government defense programs and endless federal enforcement agencies to monitor and even torture people.

SAY IT TO YOURSELF...

That's NOT small government.

That's the same monarchy like, wealth driven behavior we came to the New World to avoid.

The face of the aristocracies change, but their last names stay the same.


Posted by: Joe | May 9, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Tom: I agree. I think the arrogance of Obama and his supporters will backfire on them big time in the general election. I am a lifelong Democrat, but I would never vote for Obama. Like Sally says, who wants to have 4 or 8 more years of race cards.

Posted by: John | May 9, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you're really funny BOB. Wow, you just AMAZE me with your wit!

What an ...

Posted by: GoAWAY | May 9, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

If he is the Democratic nominee, Obama is going to get a big surprise in November. Those of us who see through him will vote for John McCain in droves. Then, unfortunately for him, he may be limited to using the race card primarily in his home district in Illinois.

Posted by: Tom | May 9, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey TimL!

You said: "My only concern are the racist 50+ white people in america who will not vote for Obama because he is black."

Well, TIM. What about the 92% of African-Americans (I HATE hyphenations) who voted soley for Obama in N Carolina??? They're not racist, but the 35% of white Demos who voted for Hillary are?? I suppose you'll write that off because your "messiah" is just sooooooo brilliant! Step AWAY from the kool-aid, junior!

Thank GOD I'm not a clueless DemoRAT!

Posted by: URClueless! | May 9, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

BubbaJeff was the first to play the race card, in SC.

Disingenuous (as always) Clintonistas will spin, spin, spin. And then they'll spin some more.

Ah, HillBillary, finally relegated to the Trash Dump of History.

It's a beautiful day.

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 9, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Sally. Every time I watch Obama speak I cringe. He lies almost every time he opens his mouth. Why some people cannot see through him, I'll never know.

Posted by: Eddie | May 9, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

White Power!
im prolife, proguns, an I am god fearing but even god dont wont them there nigras running our country. if we need nigras to be ecuqal then the constitooshun woulda made em a whole human stead of only three fourth. Aint shame to say it and we folks in west virgina feel the same. we aint votin for a nigras an thats that
Clinton 2008

Posted by: Bob | May 9, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

I am PRO "Be responsible and not put yourself in that position"

I am against abortion...However, I am not for legislating what others do.

Sally.. Show REAL facts that Obama is more Dishonest than Bush... REAL FACTS.. NOT internet BS.

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

jr: Another insult from an Obama fan. What a surprise! Does that mean that I'm a "racist?"

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Sally, I think you are letting your emotions run away with you. Anybody with a lick of sense can see who the deceptive democratic candidate is, and please don't make comparisons with Bush because you really don't know what you are talking about and it really shows.

Posted by: jr | May 9, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Sally, I think you are letting your emotions run away with you. Anybody with a lick of sense can see who the deceptive democratic candidate is, and please don't make comparisons with Bush because you really don't know what you are talking about and it really shows.

Posted by: jr | May 9, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Vance: Bob and some others on this list are another reason I can't stand the "Obama movement." According to his followers, if you don't like Obama, you're a racist. The race card is getting old, and I certainly don't want to have to put up with that nonsense for 4 or 8 years of his Presidency.

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Vance: Bob and some others on this list are another reason I can't stand the "Obama movement." According to his followers, if you don't like Obama, you're a racist. The race card is getting old, and I certainly don't want to have to put up with that nonsense for 4 or 8 years of his Presidency.

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

jr.:

Are YOU "pro-life" too?!

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Vance: Obama is the most deceptive candidate I've encountered in my lifetime. I never thought I would be confronted with a Presidential candidate in 2008 that was more dishonest than Bush; I was wrong. I would never vote for Obama. I thought of just staying home, but to do so would contribute to his success, and I cannot justify that.

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

White power brothers and sisters...hooyah~
We dont wont no nigras in our white house. I suren wont vote for em and none of us in WV will eether. Glad Clinton finely came round to the great white way. Was gonna vote McCain but now she is one of us not wantin a tar baby in white house either.

Clinton 08 an White Power

Posted by: Bob | May 9, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

JakeD I'm really proud of you, you've finally said something not counter-productive.

Oh and Fred: You want to tell me how Obama is responsible for splitting the party? How, by being decent, inspiring and likeable enough to get more people to vote for him than his opponent?

It's people like you that split the party.

Turn on your brain before you open your mouth

Posted by: jr | May 9, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Vance McDaniel:

I assume you are "pro-life" then?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I've never voted for a Republican in my life, but if Obama is the Democratic nominee, I will do everything in my power to assist John McCain in the general election. Obama (and many of his supporters) have soured me on the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Elise | May 9, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Sally,
You have every right to vote for McCain.. But I guess you really don't mind the Bush era after all. Because McCain will be just that.

If not worse.

It's comments like these that show how uninformed people really are... :I hate Bush, but I will vote for McCain if "-------" is the Dem Nom.

Wake up people..think before you spout off at the mouth.

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

We'll see how far the olive branch is extended on MTP Sunday: Obama supporter, Chris Dodd vs. Clinton supporter, Terry McAuliffe. Plus, a roundtable with Chris Cillizza, John Harwood, Michele Norris, and Jerry Seib.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama a unifier? Yeah, right. The Democratic Party has never been more split. Hillary first;
second McCain;
never, Obama.

Posted by: Fred | May 9, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Those of you who call Obama a thin suit or empty suit have probably not looked at his record. He is not a hater, he is a unifier.

In my work I have had the opportunity to work in interviews with some of the world's foremost military advisors and counter-terrorism experts, every single one of them have said the same thing Obama has been saying regarding National Security and the Global War on Terrorism.

Unlike the current administration, I believe he would listen to his military advisors, generals, etc.

Posted by: jr | May 9, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Billary Supporter wrote:

If Osama-Obama gets the nominations I am voting for McCain.

Everyone is quick to point out the feel-good similarities between JFK and BHM, I for one hope that if Obama wins that they meet the same end

My response: How sad is this? To me this is worse than any of the mud slinging that goes on in a campaign. To wish the death of another human being is the most unfeeling and inhumane thing someone could wish upon another.

This is a Hillary supporter? This is a person who represents America? How truly sad.

Please, go to church, pray or meditate: whatever you need to do to find your humanity again.

Please..

Posted by: Vance McDaniel | May 9, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I thought I was going to celebrate the end of the Bush Administration in 2008. Now, it appears that in place of Bush, there just might be someone worse -- Obama.

I'm starting a group here in California -- Democrats for McCain. Anything to defeat the inexperienced, arrogant, and deceptive Obama.

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Ah, I love it.

Obama's so confident on his ascension he's PITYING Hill-Rod.

It just keeps getting better.

:)

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 9, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama = loss in November for Democrats. The campaign going forward is a different ball game and is going to be way different to what we've seen so far in the primaries. Obama has been the darling of the media and the "messiah of hope and change", although no one can define for this voter what change!!

We democrats are underestimating the republican machine which is quietly slithering sinously like a rattle snake waiting to strike. We are too arrogant if we think nothing will stick to Obama, or the entirety of the American voting population will be as accepting of Obama's complete lack of answers to questions that have come up through the primaries.

Posted by: Democrat for Hillary | May 9, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

TimL:

There are many more than 50 white people who will not vote for Obama -- they can't ALL be "racists" right? What if some of us are just "pro-life"? How old are you?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

We've been had by the press and the ruling elite again.
2000 - gave us Bush
2004 - gave us Bush
2008 - trying to give us Obama

I would vote for Mickey Mouse, before I'd vote for Obama

Posted by: Joe | May 9, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Lots of mean-spirited people in here.

Simply put, the Dems have two very good candidates, both of which are qualified to be president.

One of the candidates got more votes and delegates than the other. There was no cheating or stealing.

The reason there is so much passion is a reflection of their qualifications.


Posted by: jr | May 9, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Billary Supporter:

You are aware that making threats against the President is a federal crime, right?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"Stupid and idiots voted for Hilary and upscale and smart people voted for Obama. I mean for heavens the women doesn't even know what the hack she has done to herself.
Clintons = Liars and cheaters.
Obama = the new frontier! a new United Stated of America."

Ahhh...Mark? Perhaps, being you're a "upscale" and "smart" person, could you locate the spell and grammar checker?

God, I'm already so SICK of the obamabots...

Posted by: RUClueless? | May 9, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Hillary first, McCain second. Never, Obama.

Posted by: Fred | May 9, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE REMOVE THIS OFFENSIVE COMMENT:

"i thihnk that when bill was doing monica.. hillary was also in it.. a full fledged 3some... she got her head filled with the wrong semen"

Posted by: billclinton | May 9, 2008 7:07 PM

Posted by: youbetcha | May 9, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

If Osama-Obama gets the nominations I am voting for McCain.

Everyone is quick to point out the feel-good similarities between JFK and BHM, I for one hope that if Obama wins that they meet the same end

Posted by: Billary Supporter | May 9, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama's right. Time to make peace with the Hillary rank-and-file to cinch the deal with concerned super's. The more folks coalesce behind him, the sooner he can close the deal and portray his campaign as a unifying one.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | May 9, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how the supporters of Hillary are grasping at straws now. If's & But's are what I am reading now.

Florida and Michigan do not statistically matter at this point. The cork has been taken out of the drain and her supporters are leaving. By the end of next week she will probably loose another 3-4 delegates and obama will have another 3-4 undecided in addition to the turncoats.

Hillary "IS" a good politician but she is a blatant repeat liar. This made it impossible for me to support her. Even when she was caught in a lie she did her best to spin it into something else. If she would have just said "I am sorry for lying" then I would have had 100 times more respect for her. She definitely is a brilliant woman. But she is not leadership material... I can not follow someone I cannot trust.

My only concern are the racist 50+ white people in america who will not vote for Obama because he is black. I am really proud of the adults in their 20's/30's who look right past skin color to the person beneath and can view the qualities in Obama which make him the right choice.

Posted by: TimL | May 9, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Why are so many Obama bloggers so mean-spirited? Are they real hard core sexists--lots of name calling, etc.?

I be undecided--it would help if Obama would repudiate some of the vile comments.

Posted by: youbetcha | May 9, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

This article in many ways encapsulates why I support Obama. Intelligent, measured, not stooping to unnecessary conflict, gracious, refraining from both pettiness and triumphalism.

An outstanding candidate - look, World: America CAN do intelligence, thoughtfulness, knowledge and wisdom! Yes, we can.

Posted by: Anne Williams | May 9, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Stupid and idiots voted for Hilary and upscale and smart people voted for Obama.

I mean for heavens the women doesn't even know what the hack she has done to herself.

Clintons = Liars and cheaters.

Obama = the new frontier! a new United Stated of America.

Posted by: Mark | May 9, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow....sure glad i stopped into this blog....hey its a free country, but if you a DEM vote DEM....Hillary and Obama have virtually the same ideas about the economy sure I want Obama to win but if the situations were reversed Hillary would get the Vote...even obama said she would be a "vast improvement over the status quo"

As for you McCain supporters, thats awesome, its good to have different views, but the idea that Obama was "endorsed" by Hamas is rediculous.....Sure at that time it makes his last name sound more significant to an anti-american terrorist organization.....Obama would meet with hamas leaders, they probably want to meet with Obama.....probably becuase they want to end the fighting, who knows, maybe they want peace and they feel Obama can do that....but its not so he can give America to terrorists, and if you believe that then you are probably one of the 22% who think George W Bush was an awesome president.....

Oh and about patriotism, ask MCcain why he backed the airbus deal.....y'know the deal that sent 40billion overseas for another country to build american planes....whats next, another country building our missils for us? McCains top campaing advisors (lobbyists) are responsible for some of the most unAmerican things in this country...the ones you dont hear too much about.....like allowing credit card companies to charge tons of interest, making it more difficult for women to file sexual harassment charges against corporations, allowing fuel to be so expensive and yes, giving a free pass to drug companies and free trade.....

Sometimes being unpatriotic can be under the guise of a WAR "hero"

Posted by: Oregon4obama | May 9, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is caught in a classic bear trap.

If Obama loses this election, there will be a large number of Democrats, including a healthy number of party elders and leaders, that will blame her and her campaign for bloodying Obama too much. If she doesn't campaign for him and bring the vast majority of her supporters over to him before November, her status within the party will be injured severely. Maybe even beyond recovery.

This was her one shot. 2012 won't happen, even if Obama loses.

Posted by: JamesCH | May 9, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

If arrogance could win a campaign, Hillary would be miles ahead.

Thank God she isn't.

Posted by: Drew from au | May 9, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

alee21:

Thanks.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Let me see now...BHO gained some super delegates AND he was just endorsed by HAMAS. What is that for? His antisemetic leanings? Whats next? Hezbollah? The PLO? Great candidate the party put up!!! You better hope Clinton survives to ride or you can kiss the election goodbye.

Posted by: Ralph J | May 9, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I think that Obama is just trying to save face in this election, and try to end the election before Hillary gets some big wins in the forthcoming states. In reality, he is going to extend his warmest regards to her while she is a threat, but once he neutralizes her, he will just "pull the carpet out" from under her feet and have her fall face down. Obama, the then presumptive Democratic nominee, will then give her a good spanking and oppress her because no one can compete against him. This is not a move that anyone can or should accept. While Obama preaches about hope and change, he is still playing the same old political games that he denounces. Quite ironic, don't you think?

Posted by: EdJ | May 9, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

That's a bizarre scenario - I bet Obami wants Hillary's supporters. No chance. We see through you, a thin-skinned hypocrite heading for self destruction.

Sit back, relax and enjoy the spectacle. I am rather looking forward to how McCain will shred Obama. Hillary will run in 2012 and be the first female President.

Let the games begin.

Posted by: alee21 | May 9, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Shane D:

Don't you think have her as his V.P. candidate effectively cancels out his "CHANGE!" message? Besides, all McCain would have to do is play one commercial over and over: Hillary saying that he is qualified to be Commander-in-Chief, but Obama is not ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

LisaSt:

As I understand it, there won't be a direct transfer of funds between the two campaigns -- he will "lend" her his mailing list and urge his supporters to cancel out her debt so that "we can all come together, sing 'Kumbaya' and unify the Party" to go after McCain -- will you stop donating to Obama if he does that too?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Hillary for VP '08; Go Obama!

Posted by: Shane D | May 9, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Tim O'neal:

I am actually registered Independent -- your mind-reading abilities notwithstanding -- unless McCain can put California into play, I will simply vote third party (again ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter (formerly Edwards), I can say emphatically I will not donate anything further to his campaign if he agrees to help Clinton out of her financial problems. Her campaign was grossly mismanaged from both a strategic and financial perspective. I am certainly not willing to see any of my hard-earned money go to the likes of Mark Penn or Harold Ickes. It is sad that the little people will not get paid either, but they did take the risk of working for the Clinton campaign without requesting payment up front. Clinton's campaign will just have to file for bankruptcy.

Posted by: LisaSt | May 9, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

The new era, Hillaray will be pimping for Obama. The payment is 9+ million, now that is a high class level.

Posted by: TOM | May 9, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama > Hillary
It is reality

Accept it or be wrecked by it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

It's people like JakeD who will never be true Democrats anyway and untie behind the nominee whom the majority has chosen.

JakeD?

I hear the Republicans have plenty of vacancies these days, why don't you go over there and study their platform for awhile huh? That is obviously where you belong.

Make sure you pull the lever for McCain in the fall as well, as I can read your mind and that's what you'll be promising to do next.

Prove me wrong wiseguy.

Posted by: Tim O'neal | May 9, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"Life after the Primaries. Obama 08"

Look who's DELUSIONAL now!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

i thihnk that when bill was doing monica.. hillary was also in it.. a full fledged 3some... she got her head filled with the wrong semen

Posted by: billclinton | May 9, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

She's not "done" or "defeated" -- if Michigan and Florida are not resolved before the Convention, the the Credentials Committee will have to vote -- hold on to your hats and glasses ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Believe him, Hillary.

Posted by: Jack | May 9, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Life after the Primaries. Obama 08

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Classy cool as always. Keep it up, Obama, you'll be a great president.

Posted by: Steve Charb | May 9, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes, by all means, continue your self-serving DELUSION, BILLARY!!!

Give it up, pablum-pukers, BILLARY is done for...

-=OBAMA has defeated her handily, and now it's time for Descision 2008. Billary, please bow out gracefully while you still can.

Posted by: ULOSE | May 9, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Sorry JakeD, she's all done. How about a try for NY gov? Maybe she'll get some of that experience she says she has with some time as a gov!

Posted by: George | May 9, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

DON'T BELIEVE HIM, HILLARY!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

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