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Obama Resigns Church Membership

Updated 9:15 p.m.
By Keith Richburg
ABERDEEN, S.D. -- Sen. Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, resigned their membership in the South Side Chicago church that had been their spiritual home for two decades but which, in recent months, had become a political liability in Obama's campaign for the presidency.

The Obamas announced their decision in a letter to Trinity United Church of Christ's Rev. Otis Moss III on Friday, saying, "We are writing to make official our decision to end our membership at Trinity."

"We make this decision with sadness. Trinity was where I found Christ, where we were married and where our children were baptized," the letter said. "But as you know, our relations with Trinity have been strained by the divisive statements of Reverend Wright, which sharply conflict with our own view."

Obama's unexpected decision came after a second controversy involving incendiary remarks from a pastor at the Trinity United Church of Christ, this time the Roman Catholic Rev. Michael Pfleger, who sharply ridiculed Sen. Hillary Clinton in a sermon last Sunday.

Obama scheduled an unplanned news conference Saturday evening here in Aberdeen, after news of the resignation began to spread. In the half-hour news conference, Obama said he and Michelle had been discussing leaving the church since his former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.'s theatrical and controversial appearance at the National Press Club in late April.

"It's not a decision I came to lightly, and it's one I make with some sadness," Obama said. But, he added, now that he is a presidential candidate, opponents were using the pastors' words to criticize him.

Obama said he never anticipated the storm of controversy his membership in Trinity Church would ignite. "This was one I didn't see coming," he said. "I did not anticipate my fairly conventional Christian faith being subject to such challenge and such scrutiny."

He also said his heightened profile was drawing unwelcome attention to the church. "It's also clear that Reverend Moss and the church have been suffering from all the attention my campaign has visited on them."

"I have no idea how it will impact my presidential campaign, but it's the right thing to do, for my church and for my family," he said.

Asked about choosing a new church, and whether he would more carefully vet his next pastor, Obama said, "I'm not going to approach this as a political exercise." He said in "whatever church you join," pastors may say things that members disagree with. But, answering a question, he acknowledged that joining another black church might be equally problematic. "There's a different religious tradition, or a worshiping style, in some of the African American churches," he said.

"I'm confident we're going to be able to find a church we're comfortable with," he added.

"Our faith remains strong," Obama said. "I suspect that we will find another church home for our family."

Just a few weeks ago, Obama was forced to distance himself from Rev. Wright, after videotapes surfaced of Wright making critical comments about the United States and suggesting AIDS was a U.S. government plot against blacks.

Wright had introduced Obama to Christianity, and one of Wright's sermons was the inspiration for Obama's book title, "The Audacity of Hope."

Obama said he put his decision in writing to Rev. Moss on Friday, and only talked about it today after the letter was leaked to CNN. Asked when he intended to announce his resignation, he said, "This was a pretty personal decision, and I wasn't trying to make political theater out of it."

Trinity Church also released a statement today, made available by Obama's campaign and signed by the pastor, Rev. Moss, that said, "Though we are saddened by the news, we understand that is a personal decision."

"We will continue to lift them in prayer and wish them the best as former members of our Trinity community," the letter said. "We ask now for God's peace to be with them."

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GOD BLESS AMERICA OUR HOME. Harvard Scholar Barack Obama.

Americans are too smart to fall for diabolical divisive Republican tricks.
Leave out divisive hate mongering (race, gender, religion).

Barack

Focus on the ECONOMY, HOMES, IRAQ WAR, OIL, ENERGY, FAMILY, MORALITY, INTERNATIONAL FRIENDSHIP, AND ONE AMERCA.

Barack Obama has a wonderful, loving, intelligent and spiritual family with high morals. This is exactly what is expected of the First Family.

If Hillary didn't run such a trashy campaign, then the American People would have been more responsive to her message whatever that was.

The dysfunctional Clintons (Billy, Hillary, Monica) disgraced the White House and will never be allowed to do that again.

Hillary's message whatever that was got lost in all of her hate, racist, and sexist mongering, which was not beneficial to Americans. McCentury McCain is doing the same, because he lacks an agenda except Bush's policies of continued failures.

Americans, Europeans and the World are under the impression that Rich Republicans are pathological liars and thieves. And they are right. False statements, cheating and undermining Democratic values are Republican tools to hurt mankind in their selfish destructive quest to own and control this beautiful world that's temporarily enjoyed by all.

Republican Failures McCain-Bush must answer to the fact that a barrel of Oil was $24 when Bush took office and now a barrel of Oil is $135. Republican rich Oil conspiracy has undermined the American People and Our Economy in their quest for selfish, destructive and greedy ill gotten super-capitalistic Wall Street gains.

MCCAIN-BUSH SEVEN YEARS AGO CHANGED A BARREL OF OIL FROM $24 INTO TODAY'S SUPER-CAPITALISTIC GREEDY OUT OF CONTROL $135.

WILL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SIT ON THEIR HANDS AND ALLOW MCCAIN-BUSH CONTINUED OUT OF CONTROL WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISTIC GREED TO RAISE A BARREL OF OIL TO $200?

THE PRICE OF OIL IS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY. OIL SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY NATIONALIZED FOR UNITED STATES NATIONAL DEFENSE.

REPUBLICAN FAILURES MCCAIN-BUSH WITHIN SEVEN YEARS CHANGED A $24 BARREL OF OIL INTO A $135 BARREL OF OIL.

WERE THE REPUBLICAN FAILURES MCCAIN-BUSH SERVING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OR SERVING THEIR SUPER-RICH FRIENDS WHEN THEY HELP CHANGE THE PRICE OF A BARREL OF OIL FROM $24 TO $135 IN JUST SEVEN YEARS?

IT'S TIME TO NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL AND THE ENERGY INDUSTRIES FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE.

300,000,000 Americans come first when it comes to the greatest benefits to the greatest number. When one percent of the population (super rich), owns and runs everything to the destruction of the ninety nine percent (typical Americans), then something must change. McCain-Bush represents greed and destruction that must stop.

If you love America, then you should inspire the American People to rise higher and HOPE for better days.

America is HOPEFUL and GREAT and will follow the HOPEFUL and INSPIRATIONAL message of Harvard Scholar Barack Obama.

This is the greatest presidential race in history, because Harvard Scholar Barack Obama is flying like an eagle.

GOD BLESS AMERICA OUR HOME. Harvard Scholar Barack Obama.


Barack Obama loves America and the troops.

Barack Obama will work with the international community to end the Iraq War in 2009.

Barack Obama will bring American troops home in 2009 and reward them with benefits for homes, college, medical care, and jobs.

American troops are overwhelmingly voting for Barack Obama

EUROPE, CHINA, RUSSIA, SAUDI ARABIA, AND SOUTH AMERICA ARE WATCHING YOU


THE WORLD IS WATCHING AMERICA'S 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
THE WORLD IS WATCHING AMERICA'S 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
THE WORLD IS WATCHING AMERICA'S 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.


AND THE WORLD WILL JUDGE WHETHER AMERICA IS SUITED TO BE ITS MORAL LEADER.
AND THE WORLD WILL JUDGE WHETHER AMERICA IS SUITED TO BE ITS MORAL LEADER.
AND THE WORLD WILL JUDGE WHETHER AMERICA IS SUITED TO BE ITS MORAL LEADER.

London, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, Madrid, Rome, Tokyo, Peking, and the other capitals all look forward to cooperating with President Barack Obama.

McCain and Bush with their policies of failures are afraid to stand on stage with Harvard Scholar Barack Obama.

McCain and Bush have petitioned to have a dictionary at their disposal to keep up with Barack Obama's intellectual discourse.

McCain's public insults towards his own wife and Bush's public insults towards the AMERICAN PEOPLE have precluded them from moral judgment upon the World. McCain-Bush lacks moral and intellectual credibility to sit in judgment of the World and serve the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

AMERICA is voting in an intellectual scholar from Harvard Law to right OUR COUNTRY and prosecute the criminal super-capitalists.

The World is watching how a self professed Christian Moral Nation handles its pivotal point in history during the 2008 presidential election.

Will AMERICA rise to the occasion with maturity, dignity, intellect and grace?

Or will AMERICA degenerate into the Republican's Policy of Hate?

Will Republicans again toss evil words of hate to OUR PUBLIC and promote a filthy campaign worthy of pre-WWII Germany?

This is a pivotal time in AMERICAN history.

Will AMERICA run a dignified 2008 presidential election?

Or will AMERICA allow Hillbillies to take over the media and orchestrate the message of hate that will shock the watching World?

A barrel of oil was $24 when Bush took office.

It's time for AMERICA to nationalize Oil and Energy Industries for National Defense.

Rich Oil billionaires and Wall Street (super-capitalism) selling out OUR COUNTRY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA for their own selfish profits is unpatriotic and treason.

AMERICA belongs to AMERICANS and not to Wall Street sell-out super-capitalists who send trillions of OUR U.S. DOLLARS overseas in chase of the highest immediate return on their private investments. Greed does not work and greed is destroying OUR COUNTRY. Dependence on foreign oil and oil billionaire businessmen are destroying OUR COUNTRY.

Immediately nationalize oil and energy industries for U.S. National Defense. It's the intelligent thing to do. AMERICANS are collectively much more important than a handful of billionaire super-capitalists on Wall Street who have allegiance to no one, but their own private, selfish, destructive, and nation undermining capital gains.

Hillary does not appear very patriotic staying in a loss race strictly to gather more money to store in her $109,000,000 favor money chest that she and Billy received from South American cartels.

Is Hillary working for the Democrats?

Is Hillary working for All AMERICANS?

Hillary is working for herself and has become and unpatriotic joke.

McCentury McSame (Bush Part III) wants to continue Bush's failed policies.

McSame (Bush III) is not very smart and will go after Hillary's Hillbilly and pig farmers votes.


MCCAIN-BUSH (POLICIES OF FAILURES) HAS A LOT TO ANSWER FOR:

WAR FOUGHT ON THE PREMISE OF UPROOTING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT WERE NEVER FOUND,

THE FAILURE TO CATCH OSAMA BIN LADEN,

MCCAIN-BUSH DISGRACEFUL PROCLAMATION "MISSION ACCOMPLISH"

MCCAIN-BUSH ASSUMPTION THAT WE WOULD BE GREETED AS LIBERATORS AND NOT INVADERS

MCCAIN-BUSH INVASION OF OUR WHITE HOUSE (AMERICA HOUSE)

TURNING IRAN INTO THE "GREATEST BENEFICIARY" OF THE IRAQ WAR

MANIPULATING THE PRICE OF OIL FROM $24.00 A BARREL TO $135.00 A BARREL. WHOSE INTEREST ARE THEY LOBBYING FOR? MCCAIN-BUSH POLICIES ARE NOT IN AMERICA'S INTEREST.

PLANS TO KEEP AMERICAN TROOPS IN IRAQ FOR 100 YEARS

PLANS TO INITIATE THE DRAFT TO SECURE ENOUGH TROOPS

These are just a few of McCain-Bush policies of failures that must stop.


AMERICA needs change now in a better direction.

Harvard Scholar Barack Obama will demonstrate how McCain-Bush has hurt OUR COUNTRY.

THE WORLD IS WATCHING HOW A SELF PROFESSED CHRISTIAN MORAL NATION HANDLES ITS PIVOTAL POINT IN HISTORY DURING THE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

EUROPE IS LOOKING FORWARD TO RENEWING FRIENDSHIP AND COOPERATION WITH THE UNITED STATES THROUGH PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.

THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS ARE VOTING FOR BARACK OBAMA

THE WORLD IS WATCHING ONE AMERICA.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA


IT'S OFFICIAL, HILLARY CLINTON IS TRASH.


You thought that Hillary's stupidity could no sink lower and it did.

Hillary Clinton has run the worst and trashiest campaign in U.S. history and now she is not worthy to continue her carpetbagger position in the adopted state of New York.

It's fitting that Hillary is a carpetbagger for New York, considering that New York sold out the Americans and housed the British troops during the entire time of the American Revolution.

Everyone is ashamed of Hillary Clinton's trashy ways.

Tell Bill and Monica that they will never again deface the honor of the White House.

Republican McCentury McCain is a weak nominee and lack the intelligence to receive the 3:00 am call from Monica calling for Bill.

Hillary and Billy (HillBilly) Clinton must immediately return the $109,000,000 favor money to the South American cartels, because their criminal political influence is over.

Americans are tired of corruption from Bush, Clinton and the old ways of McCain-Bush.

Super capitalistic privileged C- students with no business running a hotdog stands are illegally placed in the highest positions because of their ill gotten wealth.

Greed and stupidity are destroying Our Country and it must stop.

America must get back to moral decency, family values, respect, honor, scholarship, and service to the general Public.

America is about Public Service and not private greed.

Change is happening and America, Europe and the World welcome cooperation.

We The People Are Voting For Change.

"Clinton is sick," President Ford told DeFrank in 1999, the year the Senate acquitted Clinton of perjury and obstruction of justice in an impeachment trial stemming from his affair with Monica Lewinsky. "He's got an addiction. He needs treatment." Ford said Clinton had "damaged his presidency beyond repair."

President Ford told DeFrank that Clinton was brazen in his attentions to other women even when the then-president visited the Fords at their Colorado home in 1993. "I'll tell you one thing: He didn't miss one good-looking skirt at any of the social occasions," President Ford told DeFrank.

"Clinton got a wandering eye, I'll tell you that. Betty had the same impression. Clinton isn't very subtle about his interest."

President Ford described talking with Clinton during the impeachment debate and pressing him to admit that he lied to federal investigators and accept censure.

"Bill Clinton," President Ford recalled saying, "I think you have to admit that you lied. If you do that, I think that will help -- and I'll help you. If you'll admit to perjury, I'll do more."

"I won't do that," Clinton replied. "I can't do that."

As for Hillary Clinton, President Ford saw her as the driving force in their marriage. By 2002, President Ford was predicting that Hillary Clinton would be on the ticket in 2004 or 2008 but would lose the general election because the country is not yet "ready for Hillary Clinton."

Posted by: Christopheur | June 2, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm not an Obama-supporter, but those comments by Pflegler could have been seen on SNL or a Dave Chappelle skit. It was hilarious. Why should Obama have to answer for someone else's good time? He is throwing a whole lot of friends under the bus for this election and for what? The people who don't like him simply don't like him. His membership resignation and repudiations aren't going to change their minds. He's going to be real lonely after he loses in November. (And for those who think the WaPo is deleting entries that make Obama look bad, a big whatev! There's tons of Obama-hating on this website.)

Posted by: dcp | June 2, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

And has anyone honestly and transparently seen McCain distance himself from either Pastor John Hagee or Rod Parsley? It's more of the same hypocritical double standards from the typical media controlled Republican attack machine via the likes of Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh. I have to laugh when people make the audacious claim Obama has done too little too late to distance himself from Rev. Wright but, maybe we should be asking ourselves who McCain has affliated himself with for the past 20 years. From the looks of it, McCain has associated himself with religious figures with equally hateful and incendiary speech. If that weren't bad enough, one of McCain's long time friends and personal advisors Joe Lieberman said he would attend a summit in Washington with Pastor John Hagee if McCain wouldn't. They are associated with each other. What's to say that Lieberman isn't speaking to Hagee on McCain's behalf? And vice versa? Almost as if Lieberman were acting as McCain's middle man. Should make everyone stand up and think about all this smoke and mirrors BS. More typical neo-con deceptiveness going on right under our radar but, no one in the media seems to be turning their attention to them. McCain is just as guilty of religious pandering to boost his popular vote. First he told everyone he was Baptist, then a few weeks later he told everyone he was an Episcopalian. Then he decided to pander votes with the endorsements of a Baptist and Pentecostal minister? McCain has done enough neo-con, religious flip flopping in the attempt to manipulate and consolidate the conservative vote without adequately answering any questions regarding the contraversial pasts of his Pastors. For McCain, he simply says, I denounce my affiliation with these contraversial Pastors and their disturbing remarks, yet the media all point their fingers at Obama. The character or credibility of any political figures, including McCain should be scrutinized objectively, not solely from a one sided point of view. Considering Lieberman's ties to both McCain and Pastor John Hagee, I simply don't believe his problem just "went away." Like any deceptive politician, it simply went behind closed doors.

Posted by: Think About It | June 2, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

And has anyone honestly and transparently seen McCain distance himself from either Pastor John Hagee or Rod Parsley? It's more of the same hypocritical double standards from the typical media controlled Republican attack machine via the likes of Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh. I have to laugh when people make the audacious claim Obama has done too little too late to distance himself from Rev. Wright but, maybe we should be asking ourselves who McCain has affliated himself with for the past 20 years. From the looks of it, McCain has associated himself with religious figures with equally hateful and incendiary speech. If that weren't bad enough, one of McCain's long time friends and personal advisors Joe Lieberman said he would attend a summit in Washington with Pastor John Hagee if McCain wouldn't. They are associated with each other. What's to say that Lieberman isn't speaking Hagee on McCain's behalf? And vice versa? Kinda like the middle man. Should make everyone think about all this smoke and mirrors BS.

Posted by: Think About It | June 2, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Is America ready for a female president? a black man president? I don't think so. Obama deserts his church, his people and flirts with white people who endorse him. What are the odds that Obama will win against the ancient and wise McCain? well lets say the republicans may not have wanted Hillary to win so they take the black man and endorse him even though they know he isn't goin to win. Seeing that he was ahead of Rodham, the republicans may have brought up the racism issue to tarnish him so he fails in november against their own. Where is Rodham Clinton? She is out there fighting hard to help all of us including Obama(to save him from being used by the system that doesn't like female leaders and black presidents). Obama has no solid foundation but will betray anyone to pursue his ambitions. Plus once he becomes a president, the nation will fall back into bitterness and racial wars that will cripple our already falling economy.

Posted by: Politik Guru | June 2, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

3-4 snippets out of 30 years worth of sermons - sheesh - and in context not so far off

And what's so damning about the quotes from his book? They aren't racist at all! READ it, use the context, consider and acknowledge that there were issues that he had to deal with as he grew up that us 'whites' never even had to think about. He's brave, and I'm sad that he had to leave his church, but I understand, and he and his family can come to mine any day. I left a 'white' church because they preached that gays were evil and cursed. Should I have stayed because I'd been there 5 years?

Posted by: letsbepeaceful | June 1, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Enough with the feigned indignation already. Obama is damned if he quits his church, and damned if he doesn't. Just admit it - you guys are a bunch of racists and will not vote for a black guy. Ever.

Posted by: futureproof | June 1, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama words: what he really thinks of white folks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs

Posted by: Obama words | June 1, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

He was FOR Religious Based Reverse Racism(Over20 Years as just a "Christian" Convert);

BEFORE,

He was AGAINST it! ;~)

But, He did NOT have Spiritual Relations with that Preacher! :-)

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 1, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

So what.

This is what he has been waiting for.

He has had his use of them and has just been waiting for the excuse the drop them.

He already had the Black vote.

Do you believe his "great speech" would be so great now? I'm mean since he has dropped them?

Posted by: Obama is a backstabber | June 1, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Obama's Chickens Come Home to Roost too little, too late. The Wright controversy had revealed a major character flaw and calls into question his judgment once again and truthfulness of the candidate whose entire appeal has been based on character. Wright is like an uncle you love and respect As imperfect as he may be, he has been family to me for so many years, I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community" "I can no more disown him [Jeremiah Wright] than I can disown my white grandmother." a woman who once confessed her fear of black men after a black man had tried to shake her down for money. She gave him some, but he kept demanding more. "If the bus hadn't come, I think he might have hit me over the head," Obama says she told him. Rev Wright was right! Obama speech is ONLY for political purposes after the severe drop in polls!

Obama is now declaring himself shocked and disappointed at Wright's unrepentantly racist and anti-American views? Obamas obviously support his feelings of anti-America and white hatred that the church endorses to stay for 20 years and raise young daughters in that atmosphere Obama can no longer plausibly claim innocence in this matter, because he is the one who has encouraged Wright by trying to excuse and explain his views. All of this is why it is no use for Obama to backpedal from his association with Reverend Wright, or to denounce him six weeks after publically defending shows Obama cannot be trusted on his word.... It was Obama who sought to provide the Reverend Wright with immunity from criticism--and he can't complain when the reverend tries to take full advantage of that immunity. This is the final collapse of the noble promise of the Obama campaign. The man who had once put himself forward as the candidate who would transcend racial politics once and for all has ended up legitimizing a Christian equivalent of Louis Farrakhan--and injecting him into the American political debate. http://www.dontvoteobama.net

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Obama proved Rev Wright was correct!!! When he said, he is a politician quitting the church for POLITICAL reasons only; he still believes what is spewed at that so-called White hate church of Christ!

WE DO NOT ACCEPT OBAMAS POLITICAL DAMAGE APOLOGY!!!

SHOCKING Obama words: what he really thinks of white folks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs

An Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back Decades
Just this Sunday Father Michael Pfleger (a longtime friend and associate of Senator Obama) mocked Hillary Clinton & AGAIN ATTACKED WHTE PEOPLE at Obama's church OF 20 PLUS YEARS. "theres a whole lot of white people crying!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y


http://www.dontvoteobama.net

Posted by: OBAMAS WHITE HATE | June 1, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

http://www.dontvoteobama.net
We already have a parallel by which to gauge what will happen in this country should Barack Obama get elected: O.J. Simpson. The so-called trial of the century is a perfect template by which to measure what will happen between black and white in this country after Obama takes the White House. You'll recall that guilt and innocence closely followed the racial divide between black and white while the O.J. trial was on going. Blacks by and large assumed he was innocent of the charges of murder. Oh, they didn't necessarily know what the evidence against him was, nor did they care. The assumptions of innocence that many blacks evinced for O.J. was built on their feelings that whites are racists and that, therefore, O.J. must be being railroaded by the white establishment. Worse, there were many blacks that didn't even care if O.J. was guilty. they wanted him free just to get even with the white justice system that they so despised. By and large, blacks in America gave O.J. a pass and his case was used as a way to attack the legal system quite regardless of the merits and evidence of the case.
Many whites, on the other hand, felt he was guilty based on the evidence they heard

Posted by: stop racists obamas | June 1, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Why did it take a presidential campaign for Senator Obama to make this decision? Shouldn't this decision have been made years ago based on the principles that the party stands for?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Oh get over it. You sound like a broken record. Stop passing judgement on things that you don't know.
You don't know how often Barack actually heard divisive messages in church. I'm sure he heard messages about the racism of America, but there IS a such thing as racism in America and YES black people do talk about it!!

Barack is running for president not Jeremiah Wright.

Posted by: Orion | June 1, 2008 5:37 AM | Report abuse

larry777 - Quit your fear-mongering with regards to Clinton supporters voting for McCain. You neglect the fact that Democrats are expected to take larger majorities in Congress. It is my belief they will take their filibuster-proof majority which would keep McCain in check. If McCain wanted to nominate Alito and Roberts-like Justices, guess what? The Democrats will vote them down. If McCain wants to veto progressive legislation passed by Democrats or veto attempts to bring out troops home, the Democrats will simply override his vetoes.

So quit your fear-mongering because it isn't going to work! The DNC and its RBC need to be punished and voting for McCain is the best way to punish them!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | June 1, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

BO is a true politican..

He will do anything to get elected..

You can disown a church, but never the 20 year influence it has on you.

Posted by: macj | June 1, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

This guy obviously used this church and its pastor to gain political advantage in the Chicago political community many years ago. This church was fine for him, Michelle, and the children until he felt he had to appeal to white people, it was then that he began the distancing process. First dis-inviting Reverend Wright from speaking at his announcing for president event, then throwing him under the bus for the well known remarks, now selling out the entire church!
If Obama will sell out his entire church, its new pastor, and its members, he'd certainly be capable of anything once President. He admitted today during the press conference to announce that he'd resigned from the church, that it had been several months since he'd even attended services. This guy is revealing himself to be quite the poser. I'm out, won't vote for him under any circumstances now.

Posted by: Patrice C. | June 1, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Oh Barack the "magic N E G R O", the fat lady has sung, it's going to be a slow and painfull death for your political ambitions. Did you really think you had what it took to be president of the US? Personally, I wouldn't want you in charge of a bible school class, much less in charge of the US military. Hope you enjoy spending the rest of your life as a racist, blame USA hate-monger. And would you please shut your freakin wife's mouth up?!!!

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | June 1, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

PRESIDENT CLINTON WAS IMPEACHED FOR NOT SAYING THE TRUTH ABOUT MONICA AND THIS GUY OBAMA WAS IN THAT CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS AND NOW HE IS SEPARATING HIMSELF FROM IT BECAUSE HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE!!! WHAT A BIG LIE!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 1, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I support Hillary Clinton.

There are penalties for breaking rules. EVERYBODY on that Committee including Hillary's supporters (like Ickes, who passed the penalties in the first place), knew that a full reinstatement was not going to happen. The formula Democrats followed in halving delegate votes is the same one the Republicans followed.

You can be as angry as you want about the process not advantaging Hillary, that is your right; but don't pretend it's because somehow the right to fairness and justice have been perverted. It's an insult to our intelligence to suggest so and I refuse to engage in intellectual dishonesty.

Hillary mismanaged her campaign and was outsmarted by a better opponent, her chance is gone and I want a Democrat in the White House more than I want Hillary in the White House.

Posted by: Brahm | June 1, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

"What is more ... voters in Florida and Michigan are only half the citizens, half the voters, half the human beings because that's the only way Obama can declare victory on Tuesday night.
Am I just dreaming or is it that Democratic Party just committed self-immolation and handed over the White House to the Republicans?

Posted by: ithinker | May 31, 2008 11:17 PM"

ithinker needs help. Ithinker obviously has not kept up with this primary situation in MI or FL or what Sen. Clinton said.

I, for one, like to play by the rules, whatever they are. To change rules after the game has been played or even during the playing of the game is not fair under any circumstance. Both candidates have presented appeals that MI and FL votes be recognized.

The math is too daunting for Sen. Clinton under any situation. She is the one who decided that the caucuses should be avoided. This was a decision that she and her campaign made without any rulings by the DNC. To support the intent of the DNC rules and based on materials that the Obama campaign received, he decided not to have his name placed in the Michigan primary. It is too his credit and the credit of the other candidates who did similarly that as many voters showed up to vote "uncommitted."

Who would have ever guessed that the Democratic Party would have fielded two such stellar candidates for this election cycle? Unfortunately for Hillary, she led her campaign down the path of sarcasm and theatrics. Bill Clinton also got caught up in a campaign style that I have not seen him do before. Both Clintons have been tarnished as a result of this campaign.

McCain is not a viable candidate for the Republicans. However, it looks like our infighting may give the country worse than Bush III. McCain is proving his senility on a daily basis. Without his handlers, he would be no where.

Hillary has her own baggage. She wants to get things done, but was instrumental in the failed attempt to get healthcare reform when assigned this task by husband Bill. She has the highest negative ratings of any candidate before the American people today. There are people who will not vote for Obama only because he is Black. There are people who will not vote for Hillary because she is Hillary. Sad, but true. I know these people. They are churchgoing Christian people.

Obama has done a courageous thing by resigning his membership in his church of 20 years. I've been in mine for over 30 years and have thought about it many times. If you ask a typical church member in an urban church, I am sure that changing churches has come up in his/her mind more than once. Most people do not change for many reasons, the main one is the problem of building new friendships in a new church. For all intents and purposes, there is a little "conservative" in each one of us. Changing is hard.

Regarding Washington, a change is needed now. Our country is going down a hole and fast. You can thank George Bush that so many Americans have come out to vote for a woman and a black man during these primaries. Think about this, all of you prejudiced people out there.

Of the three candidates left standing, Obama has presented his vision for America in his book, The Audacity of Hope. It is in black and white for all to read. Hillary wrote, It Takes a Village. A nice book, but not one to use as the backbone of a presidential campaign. Obama's book has some of the most profound political writings of the 21st century. The author of this book knows the way. Obama is still the one to carry us forward.

Posted by: Earl C | June 1, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Chief said @May 31, 2008 11:17 PM

"Hussein is going to be in a bind now."

@Chief :
I thought the 'neocons' killed him.

@Chief stop confusing folks... isn't Hussein dead? Oh, not far as HRC know?

Posted by: fair&balance | May 31, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

lary777 is an idiot.

Posted by: lary777 | May 31, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Both major parties deserve to go away.

We've seen what the neo-Republicans can do. But voting Democrat is not going to change the trajectory of government - it will continue to grow in power and scope, and these very charismatic people will continue to sell us on "hope" and "change". I am done buying this from the power climbers in Washington. Obama may be a nice fellow, but he is a climber like all the rest. These people are a special class, and will never make the same sacrifices they ask us to make, ever. I am done voting for more government for government's sake. I am voting libertarian, or "no confidence."

Posted by: willie | May 31, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

In other news, an aging Hitler quit his membership in the National Socialist party, citing its extremism. "I know I belonged for 80 years," said Hitler," but I've only just started listening to what goes on there. I can't support some of these extreme positions".

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | May 31, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

It is sad but necessary that Barack and Michelle Obama have had to resign from Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC). As a UCC member for my whole life, and as the (white) son of a UCC clergyman, I hope that this resignation from Trinity UCC does not end Obama's connection with the UCC as a denomination.

Power in the UCC is very decentralized, and folks in the religious groups with traditional top-down church government (Roman Catholic, Episcopal, Methodist) can't seem to understand that. My father was politically quite liberal, but he believed that it was inappropriate for him to endorse or condemn politicians or political causes during sermons. Pastors of his generation tended to follow that same rule.

TUCC does NOT represent the entire UCC denomination, but is atypical in being very large (~8,000 members) and mostly black. It has gone its own way, and there is no mechanism in place by which the central UCC denominational office can force it to put on the brakes with respect to what can be said from its pulpit.

TUCC has done a lot of good in its community, but would have been an albatross around Obama's neck. It's totally clear that he himself is not a racist; I have read both of his profound books cover to cover. Those who criticize him for resigning, or for not resigning sooner, are overlooking TUCC's record of good works and also the inability of one member family to control what is said from the TUCC pulpit.

I still enthusiastically support Obama for President.

Posted by: oldhonky | May 31, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Secular Liberalism in America certainly doesn't work very well, but Christian Conservatism doesn't work at all - 7 Bush/Cheney faith-based government finally proves it. The great shame of the modern American Christian Conservative movement is not that it has hijacked our politics, but that it has hijacked our religion. Our churchly TV pundits are no different our retired TV generals, and no less insidious a threat to both our democracy and our religious heritage. To the average American, religion is a personal issue - the driving force behind all this noise and conflation is from the networks, and after the Pentagon/Media Analyst debacle it's hard not to see all the yapping heads on the news as totally corrupted on this story as well. Obama does well to move on to the issues that real Americans are actually concerned about. The heads on TV should pay attention, lest in the end they roll.....

Posted by: Arnold | May 31, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Yo Barry

Your chickenssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Are Coming Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooome

To Roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooost

The Honorable Rev Chevy

Posted by: The Honorable Rev Chevy | May 31, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

"Why would someone who is really hateful aspire to lead a country?"

Happens all the time in third world countries. Happened big time in Germany and Japan in the 1930's, and World War II was the result. And, occasionally, haters run for and hold high office in the U.S.

Posted by: Sam | May 31, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

ithinker wrote: "...voters in Florida and Michigan are only half the citizens, half the voters, half the human beings because that's the only way Obama can declare victory on Tuesday night.
Am I just dreaming or is it that Democratic Party just committed self-immolation and handed over the White House to the Republicans?"

Maybe you should read the papers more often, "thinker".

Then you'd know that the Republicans have already cut Mich + Fla's delegate totals in half for exactly the same reason.

Posted by: OD | May 31, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Sad to say (because it's true), but Rev. Moss 's comments about Hillary ring true. He just made them in the wrong setting.

Posted by: lskloven | May 31, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

It sounds like a good number of posters here are sycophants of Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove continuing to Cause Chaos which the two Ditto-Head-Puppet-Masters instructed you to do.

The rest of the negative posts are evidently angry women who still are supporting Hillary.

This message is for women who desperately want to see a woman elected as President:

1. Hillary was too devisive of a character. She had so much baggage that some of you young women have not even heard of and some of the rest of you older women have evidently forgotten. An 18 year old who is getting to vote for the first time was born in 1990 just as Bill and Hillary were campaigning for their first co-presidency.

2. At present, there are three great women governors who are getting the experience needed to be Presidential candidates in 2016, hopefully the next time we have to change our President.

3. If you want to read about all the baggage the Republicans would have thrown at Hillary, read these two biographies of her: "Hell to Pay" by Barbara Olson and "A Woman in Charge" by Carl Bernstein."

4. Be very cautious in deciding who to vote for in November. Don't throw away your chance to vote for a Democrat. John McCain is very strong on "The Right to Life." If he should win two terms as a Republican President, he will be responsible for appointing 4 judges to the Supreme Court who will change the Supreme Court for decades to come. McCain has stated that he will pick judges who are against abortion. - He wants only "right to life" judges. . . Now even 60% Republican women are "Pro-Choice" in their views on abortion, and some of them are going to move over and vote for a Democrat. How many of you want to give up your right to have an abortion is you should become pregnant as a result of rape or incest or if a doctor told you that you were going to have a severely deformed baby or if a doctor told you that you would die is you didn't abort a baby due to your own physical problems?

Democratic Women - - Think very carefully before you attempt to destroy Barack Obama. Instead, let's unite around our Democratic candidate. We have the chance this year to put a good man in the Presidency for 8 years and to elect many new Democratic Senators and Representatives.

Please don't ruin the Democrats chances to win this November.

Posted by: lary777 | May 31, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse


From this article and his quotes Hussein indicates he seems to be going white. Seems black churches might be a little too radical. Isn't that what he said. Got those blacks in line and now lets get the whites in line. It's too late. You done stepped in your on dodo of your own making.
Hussein, are you sure you want to be one of your typical white racist. Your words.

'he acknowledged that joining another black church might be equally problematic. "There's a different religious tradition, or a worshiping style, in some of the African American churches," he said'
Damn. Throwing black churches under the bus too. What a scum bag.

Posted by: Chief | May 31, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Lynn said @May 31, 2008 11:12 PM

"You know what he's probably doing with his left hand while his right one is typing."

@Lynn :

Classless just like HRC. nuff said.

Posted by: fair&balance | May 31, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

There may be a Hillary supporter somewhere who DIDN'T support the invasion of Iraq, but I've never met one, that's for sure.
Posted by: OD | May 31, 2008 8:38 PM
==
OD:
Well, I'm one.
I'm a Hillary supporter since she ran for the Senate.
And I'm a military wife.
My husband is retired now, after 33 years with the U.S. Army and the Texas Air National Guard as a reservist.
When the war drums began throbbing in the fall of 2002, we turned off the news in this house because my husband, who was still serving at the time, became so upset.
He knew it was coming because his unit had been tooling up for war since the first weekend after Bush was inaugurated in 2001, 9 months BEFORE 9/11.
9/11 -- all those people died to afford that venal snake in the White House and his cabal an excuse to invade Iraq.
All through the fall of 2002, everyone kept saying, "Why Iraq?"
No one could answer that question.
We all knew the sales campaign was a crock.
My husband was summoned to serve in Kuwait, but because of some medication he was taking and his age, was held back, and given his retirement papers.
As one after the other, the administrations paper-mache excuses were ripped away, nothing surprised us.
We knew it was all about a personal vendetta and for the oil, thanks to Cheney's secret meetings.
Later, we found out that the even-larger gold mine the cabal dipped into were the no-bid contracts, the reason why this war was fought "off-budget."
So, OD, don't say you didn't hear from me.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Problem is, as I see it, one day Obama awoke and found himself a viable candidate for President of the United States of America.

I really believe this. It just happened as in a surprise does when winning the lottery.

However, and especially now, it ain't enough to just be very bright and articulate. If we are honest about this the job is really complicated. Now, Bill Clinton was the chief executive of his state for many years. And he is very bright and articulate.

However, we know that he had a difficult time at the job. It got off to what I consider as a somewhat messy start.

And the place wasn't as broken then as it is right now.

So...Mr. Obama has more then his work cut out for him. And I don't care how many "advisors" he has and how competent and experienced those "advisors" are. I care about POLICY, and implementing policy.

And I really have trouble visualizing his hitting the ground running fast and breaking into a sweat. I more visualize him waking up in the job and asking just what the heck have I let myself in for.

As for Mrs. Clinton, well, she's going to need more work then "This Old House" ever did. And that's with all the help of Home Depot and Bob Villas together.

Posted by: jatox | May 31, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

@Chevy :

The hotel you stayed at last night is missing some white sheets and pillow cases. Did you get one for "Toxic Avenger" too?

Posted by: fair&balance | May 31, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Today, Obama wants McCain to own up to his misspeak on the troop count in Iraq.

The bigger question is, when is Obama going to own up to his own errors in judgment?

Obama needs to start holding himself to the same standards he's demanding of his opponents.

Posted by: Lynn | May 31, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually sad to hear he felt it necessary to resign from his church.

For those who want it to matter, it's too late, as many of them have posted. For me, it's one of those ittybitty-isms that have no meaning. As is, it's a symbolic jesture meant to appease those who want it to matter.

If we were all held responsible for statements made by our associates (incidental or otherwise) we would find it necessary to inact laws to prevent communication. The world would become a SILENT place. Think about it.

Posted by: Ollie | May 31, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

He did the right thing, regardless. I am not sure about Obama yet, but I am sure this was the right act. Maybe there is something to them after all.

Posted by: Mid American | May 31, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse


Hussein is going to be in a bind now. No church to attack Hillary and McCain from. This is the point Husseinuts miss. He used his church to attack his opponent. That is as low life as one can get. Don't say he had no control over it. Pure BS. These two guys were on his staff. Didn't Axelrod make the statement that candidates could control their supporters when one of Hillary's got off base. Old Scum Bucket keeps apologizing after the fact.
Too late for Hillary but not too late for Nov.

Posted by: Chief | May 31, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Yo Barry

Your chickenssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Are Coming Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooome

To Roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooost

Posted by: Rev Chevy | May 31, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

How sad ... the candidate of hope, the candidate of change is without a church and his spiritual advisors tonight.
Another funny thing happened today. The democratic Party establishment embraced Obama as their candidate, giving him votes in Michigan that he never received. What is more ... voters in Florida and Michigan are only half the citizens, half the voters, half the human beings because that's the only way Obama can declare victory on Tuesday night.
Am I just dreaming or is it that Democratic Party just committed self-immolation and handed over the White House to the Republicans?

Posted by: ithinker | May 31, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: fedup | May 31, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Any wise person, like Obama, knows that when it comes to the "herd", you can never win. Fox News has become a full time anti-Obama firewall for those who practice baseless negativism as dogma, even if their polar attitudes ultimately make their economic lives worse! Can you say "rational objectivity"?
Imagine our fingers being constantly at war with each other because they fail to understand that they are part of the same hand. So it is in war, or even blogs where people can only lift themselves up by tearing others down, not knowing that there are no "others", only SELF!! The real church is neither made of glass, wood or stone!
"It's in us, and all around us!"

Posted by: DofG | May 31, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

If only Obama would declare all religion to be a foolish fraud unbefittting of a rational reasonable person, I would send him a $2300 check tommorrow! Sadly, this would be more likely to cost him election than 20 years at UCC.

Posted by: peregrine | May 31, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey AsperGirl, the WaPo is deleting a lot of my posts as well.

Don't let that trash typing moron bother you for a minute. You know what he's probably doing with his left hand while his right one is typing.

Posted by: Lynn | May 31, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Any wise person, like Obama, knows that when it comes to the "herd", you can never win. Fox News has become a full time anti-Obama firewall for those who practice baseless negativism as dogma, even if their polar attitudes ultimately make their economic lives worse! Can you say "rational objectivity"?
Imagine our fingers being constantly at war with each other because they fail to understand that they are part of the same hand. So it is in war, or even blogs where people can only lift themselves up by tearing others down, not knowing that there are no "others", only SELF!! The real church is neither made of glass, wood or stone!
"It's in us, and all around us!"

Posted by: DofG | May 31, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Proverbs says "Do not mock."

This Priest mocked as if he has had a lot of practice. Why does he wear the cloth?

Jesus is very clear on adultry. In this life, sin has consequence. When anyone blames anyone else for their state of being, how can they be sure they got the attribution right?

Unless they are without sin...

Posted by: American4America | May 31, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Obams

Your chickenssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Are Coming Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooome

To Roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooost

Posted by: Chevy | May 31, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

PRESIDENT CLINTON WAS IMPEACHED FOR NOT SAYING THE TRUTH ABOUT MONICA AND THIS GUY OBAMA WAS IN THAT CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS AND NOW HE IS SEPARATING HIMSELF FROM IT BECAUSE HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE!!! WHAT A BIG LIE!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

too little too late. we all know where his heart truly is. He will stay faithful to that church on the down low and continue to support them. Right now he is like the little boy who has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar for the second time and is trying his damnest to not have to stand in the corner. He is so transparent.

Posted by: fedup | May 31, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

If Obama loses election is he going to go back to his church? Will he ask Rev. Wright for spiritual advise?

Posted by: Desire | May 31, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama did the right thing. I'm sure it was an agonizing decision for him and his family. But it is obvious that the Repub party will do anything necessary to win. Disenfranchising voters due to the color of their skin, using machines to cheat, and shamelessly mimicking a U.S. war veteran are shameless, nefarious deeds. But the GOP has done it. Wingnut partisan hacks like Karl Rover, FOX News, and the Washington Times will do everything possible to keep a Democrat out of the White House, let alone a person of color. So all things considered, Obama made the right move. No offense, but McCain cannot remember where he is sometimes. Dems can win in November the old fashioned way - by earning it.

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | May 31, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Can you spell SET-UP certain staff members of Trinity church, or Father Pfleger must be under-cover CLINTON supporters. This MAKES ABSOLUTLY NO SENSE. Why would his long time church family continue to allow him to be humiliated knowing this type of nonsense could ultimately hurt him? Remember Rev Wright was asked to speak at the white house during President Clinton problems with Monica. I'm sorry that Sen. Obama had to leave his church, church family ties are hard and painful to cut.

However I believe you can listen to divisive, backward, rhetoric and still form an educated opinion based on the truth as you see it. Example "YOUNG BLACK MALES" are told everyday their not smart as WHITE MALES, they will either end up in jail or dead, the only thing their good for is being an athlete, rapper, OR drug dealers. There is never any stereotype surrounding an educated BLACK MALE all the statements above are divisive, but with these types of stereotypes stacked up against them there are those BLACK MALES that still prevail. So yes Obama did attend the church for approximately 20 years but his awareness, integrity, intuitiveness would allow him to formulate an educated opinion on matters he disagrees with.

There is NO other candidate that has the poise, confidence, intellect, and experience in working with all types of people for a common goal other then MY FRIEND Senator Obama.

Please let's learn to walk in another man shoes before we judge a lesson all American's should challenge ourselves on.

OBAMA 08

Posted by: Deb-AKA | May 31, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, what's the score in the baseball game???
Posted by: | May 31, 2008 10:46 PM

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Nats are down 4-0 in the 9th. Bergmann pitched a pretty good game, though.

Posted by: js_edit | May 31, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Enough with the "what's the big deal about Rev. Wright occasionally being controversial". And, "so what does this have to do with Obama". Just imagine a non-black candidate's preacher and spiritual adviser, disparaging the marital problems of Obama and Michele. Imagine this same preacher speaking in the same tone against a Black American politician, using the N-word. That candidate would rightly be challenged about his association with such a hateful and racist pastor. It would not be enough that a white candidate denounce the pastors words, he would have to explain why he contributed money to the "church". In fact, I don't think Americans would care to hear about White Liberation Theology. This white candidate would be rightly be run out of contention.

Posted by: David | May 31, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

You're 20 years too late Barry. Even Oprah had the sense to leave years ago.

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | May 31, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh dear...the clay feet keep showing...what fools democrats are to put this untested 'wunderkind' on display as our representative. Not to say Hillary doesn't have just as much baggage...but these close allies of Obama are really jerks...who else is waiting in the wings? Why aren't we forcing candidates (and current elected officials) to speak to the REAL issues?

Posted by: disappointed again... | May 31, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

So, let me get this straight, WJS. Your argument is that Obama is a politician. Thanks for the update!

Posted by: js_edit | May 31, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

The idea of a President who is from without the expectations of the cultural mainstream is more than a bit confusing to people. I'd also say worrisome to others and a alien to most.

Hence, when looking the issue straight in the face we are looking into a culture that many of us are unfamiliar with.

And if we factor the idea of ABUSE OF BLACK PEOPLE into this, and factor the history of SLAVERY into this, and factor the issue of SCHOOL SEGREGATION into this then we are, perhaps, just now REALIZING THAT THERE JUST MIGHT BE A FEW BLACK PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO JUST MIGHT HARBOR A BIT OR RESENTMENT TOWARD the mainstream of America and it's Character.

However, I gotta believe and I DO believe that Mr. Obama is so much a better prospect to be President than McCain that I will not for a moment hesitate to vote for him.

And I will believe with all of my intellect and with all of my heart that HE WILL DO A WONDERFUL JOB as President. He will begin to repair this BROKEN NATION.

And he will not and I mean NOT allow RESENTMENT to defer to principle when governing our nation.

I BELIEVE HE IS ABOVE THIS. And I believe so because there's going to be nothing to gain from acting on resentment.

He would hurt ALL OF AMERICA by doing so and he knows that.

Just let's be honest with ourselves and believe this is not a petty man. And that he will take his oath of office seriously.

That is a good place to begin.

Posted by: jatox | May 31, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I betcha some of these same people who are so appalled at the priest making fun of Hillary and declaring that she has a white person's complex have used the "N" word on multiple occasions and thought nothing of it..but..because they are not on camera ..it's ok.. such a double standard and why may I ask is it such a crime to mock Hillary..I believe that she did use the crying card to win New Hampshire...and the white people card to win PA ..so she made herself the subject of a late night joke..it just happened to be a priest instead of a comedian.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

After today's DNC 'love fest' for Obama, this Idaho Democrat after 45 years of consistly voting in every election, will stay home in protest, and will never cast a vote for this rude, arrogant and untested upstart Senator who has the audacity to think he deserves to be President of the United States of America! Talk about entitlement!

Posted by: gemgirl | May 31, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

So after 20 years, and just 5 months before the election, Obama just NOW decides to walk away from his friends and parishioners? Why? Because they're in his way? Sounds pretty shallow to me. Or is it that he was never really close to them, and his so-called religious life was all a ruse? He's no different than the Clintons. He'll do anything to get elected. He's not fresh. He's not a beacon of "hope." He's just another politician with a really good spin doctor pulling the wool over our eyes. Face it - nobody can get this far in a Presidential Election without playing old-fashioned, hard-ball politics. Obama's just blind-folding his supporters into believing his sainthood.

Posted by: WJS | May 31, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

"Please do your job Washington Post! How can you allow such comments? There is nothing in this anonymous, cowardly, hateful comment that advances the discussion.

"AsperGirl,

go have oral sex with your ugly girlfriend and maybe try to shave once a year too, you box-eating, hippie lesbian

Posted by: | May 31, 2008 10:09 PM "
Posted by: Rosemary | May 31, 2008 10:34 PM

**************

Rosemary:

They're not deleting comments like this toward me, but they are deleting my comments like my response to it, where I describe about how Trinity is homophobic as well as racist and sexist.

The deletions on the Washington Post are all about removing information that makes Obama look bad, but sexism, racism and verbal abuse is okay, especially if it's against a Clinton supporter.

It's the same double-standard that applies that says that black-on-white racist hate speech at Trinity by Obama insiders is supposed to be ignored by the Post. Hell, its own staff writers and editorials posted a lot of sexist, mysogynistic and strange Clinton-bashing. They're okay with it and I'm used to it.

Posted by: AsperGirl | May 31, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama not only sat at UCC for 20 years. He took advantage of UCC to advance his political goals. Now, his Church, where he found Jesus, where he got married, baptised his daughters, and got spiritual advise, serves no practical purpose. He had to move on. That's what honest, principled people do.

That's the change we've been waiting for!!!

Posted by: berrymonster | May 31, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

May God be with you Obama as you find another worship center for you and your family to join and worship at.

Posted by: lclon | May 31, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

What's the big deal about whether or not Obama sat in some church pew listening to a preacher twisting Biblical phrases to adhere to whatever point was being made? That's what Hagee, Parsley, Robertson, Falwell, et al do too - and gee, no one in their "right" mind would call those white preachers liberal Democrats. . . I guess Biblical hatred being shouted from the mountaintops is okay in this country as long as the preacher is a white conservative evangelical Christian Republican. . . .so much for that "shining city on a hill". . .

Posted by: Tess | May 31, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

It's fine for "Christians" to discriminate against homosexuals. It's fine to slaughter animals for food because they are only animals.

Where's all the moaning and crying about that???

Religion and America are built upon HATE!

Oh, what's the score in the baseball game???

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

And oh what a "coincidence" that he just happens to do this on the very day the committee is voting on how to resolve FL and MI. The DNC is making so many backroom deals with this chump they need an entire hotel to conduct their meetings.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | May 31, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

The racists are again coming out of the woodwork, where they hide and destroy the moral structure of our country.

Tillie: learn to spell, honey. As Al Pacino might have said, "No, YOU'RE the piece of work. YOU'RE the piece of work."

rskin: You seem to be Tillie with a spell checker. You, too, should eat dirt.

triciaautr: Sorry, but Obama can't slip in and out of being black and white. He's both, but you racists can only see the black part. That's what makes you bigoted. Wake up and smell the coffee of tomorrow. Race isn't going to count to the next generation, Hallelujah.

Jason: Obama's father may have been Muslim, but in case you didn't notice, he took a hike when Obama was 2 years old, or so. You, sir, are another bigoted idiot. I might also point out to you that the Constitution specifically FORBIDS a religious test for political office.

anonymous at 8:27, what's a "kkk meating," a bbq where they wear their sheets? You're a Republican't through and through, so we care not a whit what you think.

SukieTawdry: What an apt name! You seem to believe, like Clinton, that "mainstream" is a synonym for "white." I've got some demographic news for you. Pretty soon "mainstream" is going to be "of color." You better get down with that, girl.

ds in houston: Racist ties? How about Reagan using race to turn the South to the Republican Party (the Southern Strategy)? Did that turn you against Reagan? Have you ever listened to the Nixon tapes? The Republican'ts ARE the party of racism. Wake up!

akg: if you think "Chicago south" is the most dangerous place in the country, I've got some places I'd like to sell you in South Central LA, Hunter's Point SF, and almost anywhere in Baltimore.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 31, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey Hopelessnonetheless...I truly hope Obama looses the election...he's an empty suit. No wonder he voted "present" so many times in IL...he would actually have to make a decision. We need a leader not a person who can make speeches.

Posted by: Tim | May 31, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

So what else can this guy do to absolve himself of relationships that he things are not good for his career.

grandmother, Rev. Wright, his first literary agent who launched him, his church...

who's next? ...his wife?

do you want this man for president!

Posted by: Lesley | May 31, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Fellow Americans:
It is always sad when politics is employed to destructive ends.
I implore all of those convinced that the Obamas and members of Trinity are racists to carefully and if need be quietly/privately ask yourself is this your true belief? Why would someone who is really hateful aspire to lead a country? It makes no sense. What saddens me most about these entries is how little hope there is for a truly unified America. The world is leaving this great nation behind. We are struggling economically and we are divided into red and blue states, liberal and conservative people and haves and have nots. There is no time for all of the anager and bitterness that exisits among people who need each other realistically.
I truly hope that Senator Obama wins the election. I feel strongly that he is a man of true character and I think that he will be good for the country.
Please use Sunday to pray for God's mercy and direction.
A sad American

Posted by: Hopefulnonetheless | May 31, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Please do your job Washington Post! How can you allow such comments? There is nothing in this anonymous, cowardly, hateful comment that advances the discussion.

"AsperGirl,

go have oral sex with your ugly girlfriend and maybe try to shave once a year too, you box-eating, hippie lesbian

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Posted by: Rosemary | May 31, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Everything Obama has done in his life has been done in the name of political expediency. He turned on his friend Alice Palmer,he threw his white grandmother under the bus in his "race speech", he disowned Pastor Wright, now he disowns his church of 20+ years, all for political gain. Will he disown Jesus next for his 30 pieces of silver[ie the Presidential nomination].
This NOT the kind of person I want as my President. Someone who can so easily disown anyone or anthing that is not a political gain for him. Will he disown the American people for the next gain that is good for Obama?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Three years ago I moved from the San Francisco Bay Area to Rural Southern Michigan to care for my parents. Mom died in February at age 87. Dad is 91. We worship at the church my Dad's family helped charter nearly 180 years ago. As a christian and an Obama supporter I worship freely in this church with constituants who likely would disagree with me politically as well as spitiually. But we have thrived for so long because of a higher common purpose and respect one another as we would like to be respected.

Posted by: dennis leach | May 31, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Barack was a different kind of democrat, he is the religious kind, man of faith

the problem is that he is running away from his faith and church because it was the voodoo faith

Barack spent many years in community service in the south chicago area - so if he was a leader, you would think that Chicago south side is a better place than say 20 years back,
NO Chicago south is the most dangerouf place in the country

Posted by: akg | May 31, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Critics: Obama endorsements counter calls for clean government

By David Jackson and John McCormick
June 12, 2007
there was little controversy earlier this year when Sen. Barack Obama endorsed Mayor Richard Daley over two black opponents for a sixth term, lending his star power to an inevitable rout.

But Obama's record of local endorsements -- one measure of how he has used his nascent political clout -- has drawn criticism from those who say it reflects his deference to Chicago's established political order and runs counter to his public calls for clean government.

In the 2006 Democratic primary, for example, Obama endorsed first-time candidate Alexi Giannoulias for state treasurer despite reports about loans Giannoulias' family-owned Broadway Bank made to crime figures. Records show Giannoulias and his family had given more than $10,000 to Obama's campaign, which banked at Broadway.

Obama endorsed former Ald. Dorothy Tillman (3rd), calling her "a very early supporter of my campaign." Tillman was then under fire for her stewardship of the scandal-plagued Harold Washington Cultural Center, where contracts benefited members of her family.

Obama rejected the notion that such endorsements conflict with his promotion of ethics reform in government.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama_endorse_12jun12,0,484394.story

+++++++++++++

enough said about the "change we can't believe in".

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

The same fools posting over and over again. Calling a black man running for president a racist. You either have no idea what you're talking about or you're being completely disingenuous. I can't think of what's worse.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

This is what you call a man who can make firm decisions? HA!!!! Only when he realizes he now needs the white vote heading into the general election does he realize his racist church is bringing him down. As a life long Democrat...I can't wait to vote for McCain!

Posted by: Tim | May 31, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

It's time to purge religion from politics.
Permantently, and with strict enforcement of current laws.

If a pastor starts political sermons, the church loses its tax status and the church property is seized, and sold at auction.
No state appeals, or lawsuits claiming free speech.

Keep Your God out of My God's Face and we'll get along just fine.

Time to stop the GOP's abuse of religion.

Posted by: goofticket | May 31, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

can someone tell me where i can find a video of the full press conference today or a full transcript?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

What hateful language is on this blog!

If you are not Christian, you do not know better. If you are Christian, shame.

Apparently some people are writing who know the results of the Rules Committee tonight. It is amazing how grown people will respond when they do not get their way all the time.

Obama could sit in the same church for 20 years and still agree with at least 75%. I sat in my own church of which I've been a member for over 30 years and spent ten years trying to decide whether to stay or not stay. I am still in the same church. Things have finally changed. They are better but not the best. My delimma? Too many other churches are facing the same or similar problems. Why jump from the kettle into the fire?

My thoughts and prayers are with the Obama's during this time. It will not be easy for them. Finding a new church home can be difficult.

Many of the writers on this blog have been throwing stones. I assume that your lives reflect the values greater than those of the Pharisees in the time of Jesus.

Posted by: Earl C | May 31, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

'Asked about choosing a new church, and whether he would more carefully vet his next pastor, Obama said, "I'm not going to approach this as a political exercise." He said in "whatever church you join," pastors may say things that members disagree with. But, answering a question, he acknowledged that joining another black church might be equally problematic. "There's a different religious tradition, or a worshiping style, in some of the African American churches," he said.'

Will Obama and Michelle be comfortable in a traditional black urban church? After all those years in a rich gay white liberal denomination like the United Church of Christ, will they be able to sing and dance and testify?

I wonder...

Posted by: DaTourist | May 31, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

It's fine for "Christians" to discriminate against homosexuals. It's fine to slaughter animals for food because they are only animals.

Where's all the moaning and crying about that???

Religion and America are built upon HATE!

Oh, what's the score in the baseball game???

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Basically this move is once again taking all of the air out of the room.

Who will be talking about the DNC decision or McCain.
Indeed all of these little associative pricks chanted by obsessed detractors on hardcore talk radio have made him stronger. It has shown he can take a punch and hit back.

Also when one hears the obsessive Obama critics whine and nitpick
it smells like fear and panic.

Posted by: empireport | May 31, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

'Wright had introduced Obama to Christianity, and one of Wright's sermons was the inspiration for Obama's book title, "The Audacity of Hope."'

Haw! Haw! Haw!

The audacity of hope? I bet that's a phrase we won't hearing from Obama anytime soon!

Will they suppress the book like John Kerry's THE WINTER SOLDIERS? Get a copy now! It will be valuable!

Posted by: DaTourist | May 31, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

keep thinking..I'm sure you'll get a clue maybe


The same fools posting over and over again. Calling a black man running for president a racist. You either have no idea what you're talking about or you're being completely disingenuous. I can't think of what's worse.

Posted by: | May 31, 2008 10:31 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about Hillary's affiliation with Doug Coe's Fellowship. I don't care what baptist/episcopal/evangelical hodgepodge McCain belongs to. I don't care what Obama's pastor said. I do take issue with the holier-than-thou bible thumpers in the Bush administration who didn't blink an eye in promoting the illegal iraq war with its subsequent faith-based occupation.

Posted by: Joyce | May 31, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

"Yup but we alreaqdy know it's racialist and bigotted sentiments inform their thinking.

That Michelle is a real piece of work.

Posted by: Tillie | May 31, 2008 7:21 PM"

"Racialist?" Really, you just wrote "racialist"? What a moron!!!! You must be a child of George "Childrens Do Learn" Bush's No Child Left Behind program. I guess Tillie was left behind in English class.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Nothing has changed at Trinity United Church of Christ in 20 years except Obama running for President.

When Obama wanted to be Illinois state senator, Obama kissed Jeremiah Wright's behind 24/7/365!

Posted by: DaTourist | May 31, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Ask about Michelle Obama's "whitey" comments.

There's a video that will be released that will destroy Obama's campaign.

My only sadness is that the video will be the "October surprise" that many have discussed, too late to help a REAL American like Hillary.

Posted by: White House Not for Racists | May 31, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I've heard way worse from comedians. Suddenly it comes from a preacher who was clearly using hyperbole, and this completely fake outrage explodes in the media. This is akin to getting impeached for a BJ, but lying to get us into a war is considered a rational debate!

How is anyone supposed to take American politics or democracy seriously?

I think the next time this country goes to war it will be because another country called us a child.

Posted by: Kevin | May 31, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not a master of details because he does not have that much experience in policies. He is young and has been a senator for only 2 years. It is difficult to become knowledgeable or become master of details in just 2 years. On the other hand, McCain isn't either.

Posted by: Kevin99999 | May 31, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

As a black man, I am ashamed of anyone who seeks equality, yet feels it's okay to discrimate against others. Dr. King would be offended by the behavior of people like Wright and others who preach hatred, and their minions whom would applaud such nonsense.

Posted by: Shag | May 31, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

"You say he hates whites! Where is the quote. From the remarks I see here is that many of you hate blacks and just cannot stand it that this man is doing so well in running for the nomination of President of the United States of American."

Actually no one says Obama "hates whites".

Show me the quote.

It is you who is saying that people "hate blacks."

Thanks for showing us a great example of liberal "debate": attack a statment that no one has made and then show us what a hypocrite you are.

Posted by: rmorrow | May 31, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

When is Bill O'Reilly going to quit the Catholic church, you know? That scares me.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama has ties to the PLO.

Research Rashid Khalidi.

Posted by: TruthHurts | May 31, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

For twenty years, Obama has had 8000 people around him cheering racist, hateful sermons. NOW he quits?

Maybe he just didn't notice before. THIS is the man who people want to be President???

Posted by: ds in houston | May 31, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

may god be with you...what a crock...like gods going anywhere with a politician....lets keep god out of this..I'm sure he is staying out of this race\..ooops or she.


May God be with you Obama as you find another worship center for you and your family to join and worship at.

Posted by: lclon | May 31, 2008 10:50 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama scares the hell outta me. How you people can back a man with such racist ties is beyond comprehension.

This was done all in the name of political expediency. Obama just threw his whole church under the bus, much like he threw his white grandmother under the bus in his "race speech".

Be scared, very scared America.

Mr. B. Hussien Obama is destroying the democratic party and will do the same to America.

Posted by: Sugar | May 31, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

All of these Bigot Arm Chair Quarterbacks could not stand up under the scrutiny that Obama is going through. You twist his words. You attribute words of another as his own. You say he hates whites! Where is the quote. From the remarks I see here is that many of you hate blacks and just cannot stand it that this man is doing so well in running for the nomination of President of the United States of American. It is obvious that there is a double standard at work here. You don't care whether is is 1/2 white. You ONLY care that he is 1/2 black. And that is enough for you to discount any accomplishment that this man had made happen.

Posted by: DEY | May 31, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

What's the big deal?

St. John McCain left his entire denomination (Episcopal) to join the more politically advantageous Baptist Church.

Talk about using your religion for political purposes!

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 31, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Proverbs says "Do not mock."

This Priest mocked as if he has had a lot of practice. Why does he wear the cloth?

Jesus is very clear on adultry. In this life, sin has consequence. When anyone blames anyone else for their state of being, how can they be sure they got the attribution right?

Unless they are without sin...

Posted by: american4America | May 31, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Yo Obama

Your Chickensssssssssssssssssssssss

Are Coming Hooooooooooooooooooooome

To Roooooooooooooooooooooooooooooost

Posted by: Chevy | May 31, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse


Here's the scary part...

Obama is a man with virtually nothing on his resume, other than the fact that he's good at reading a teleprompter.

And he wants to be the next leader of the free world?

That's why Obama's 20 years in the racist church matter so much, because we have so little other evidence to judge him.

It's frightening.

Posted by: JP Vanderbilt | May 31, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"I bet you that you people who are so unforgiving will be the first in line to ask for forgiveness when your time comes... judge not less ye be judged.. who the heck are you to pass judgement and condemnation on anyone."

OK, so I guess you don't have any problem with the KKK. right? I mean "who the heck are you to pass judgement and condemnation on anyone."

What a load of nonsense. Obama supporters will find any reason to excuse his church's racism.

Posted by: rmorrow | May 31, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the Michelle Obama "WHITEY" tape. I understand that the RNC does not want to release it untill October.

Posted by: 1ahead | May 31, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I've heard from multiple sources that there is a tape of Obama's wife making some sort of testimony (as it is called in a black church). Supposedly she starts yelling about whitey this, whitey that, how whitey keeps down the black race.

Posted by: Dave in DC | May 31, 2008 9:58 PM
......................................
I've heard this several times. If it is true, why hasn't it surfaced yet? Could be a rumor that someone decided to start just for fun.

Posted by: Sean | May 31, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

This is all such a mess. My first reaction, many months ago, questioned his remaining in Wright's church in the face of his rhetoric. Then he embraces Wright and requests he bless his campaign or words to that effect. And he remains in the church until the last possible moment.

Is this what learning on the job is all about?

Then Mrs. Clinton says the absolute dumbest, most offensive and divisive things possible for any candidate and human. And she votes for some of the lousiest policies ever.

Obama's health insurance is not, I believer, as good as Mrs. Clintons.

McCain is a real zero. And that's on a good day.

This place, after 7+ years is broken. At least I think it is. And any further mistakes will pulverize institutions, policies and structure.

So that means no thanks McCain.
So that means no learning curve Obama.
So that means go figure where Mrs. Clinton stands with consistency.

And I'm supposed to worry about his church.
Heck, I was worried, 25 years ago, about Falwell and James Baker and Oral.

Heck, if I wasn't worried now then I'd really have something to worry about.

Look...regardless of which Democrat arrives at the nomination I've made up MY MIND to vote for that candidate.

And then pray for the help of the Dear Lord to extricate us from this totally broken and messy and really disfunctional space we're in.

And I gotta say the my judgement tells me it's going to take quite a long time to repair this place. And that's in respect to whomever Democrat is the November candidate.

As for McCain. He'll make Herbert Hoover appear as a savior.
I'm certain of this.

Posted by: jatox | May 31, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I bet you that you people who are so unforgiving will be the first in line to ask for forgiveness when your time comes... judge not less ye be judged.. who the heck are you to pass judgement and condemnation on anyone. vengenace is mine says the Lord.. how in the heck are you judge and jury on Michelle Obama..she had one sentence out of context and you people are acting like your worlds are perfect and you have never misspoken.. the politics of fear and deception..smoke and mirrors..snake oil..isn't it time to stop the pettiness of yesterday and seek higher ground..

Posted by: lg | May 31, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Yo Obama

Your Chickenssssssssssssssssss

Have come Hoooooooooooooooooome

To Rooooooooooooooooooooooooost

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | May 31, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama got into the Dem nomination game by claiming to talk a religious language that other liberals couldn't speak to Americans.

Keep talking, Senator.

What language was that?

Posted by: DaTourist | May 31, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

With Barak Obama's departure from the church, we can prayerfully say: ENOUGH ALREADY, and get back to a discussion of, and finding solutions for, REAL issues that concern and affect REAL people.

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | May 31, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Well, we know Obama knows how to stick his finger to the wind.

If it's poltically advantageous, he'll take an opposite position from where he stood just a few months ago.

So what he says today may not be what he says tomorrow.

After all, politicians have to stick their fingers up into the wind.

Posted by: Comment | May 31, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Religion plays a part in politics.
I could care less what church Obama attended.
Mr. Bush calls himself a christian, John McCain as well.

The preacher has been heard and retired.

Posted by: senatorsun | May 31, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Everyone has a right to their opinion about Obama, Hillary,McCain but if each of you stop and look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself Am I with out any sins that I can pass judgement on anyone? and I am sure you will say NO. No matter what any of us say.there one Man that none of us can stop and that is GOD himself, He is the one who make the decision on where each one of us is going to be in our life, he is the only one that has control of each of our life and he is the only one that will that will control this world. Now God said every man/woman will reap what they sow, and when you start pointing finger at someone remember that is your thumb that point back at you. You all have love ones who you care for and wouldn't want anything or anyone to hurt them.So keep in mind God see and hear each and everyone of you and he will allow the same thing to happen to you or someone you love to go through the same thing that you are doing to others. You can't stop the power of God, and as for Sean Hannity why don't he invite Obmana to his church since he such a god fearing loving man.or would his church turn away a black man? Let see what he all about cause he to will answere to God. And remember what they did to the black back in slavery time and the KKK and look how God is now turning this around.

Posted by: lovejoy | May 31, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

You're 20 years too late Barry. Even Oprah had the sense to leave years ago.

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | May 31, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I've heard from multiple sources that there is a tape of Obama's wife making some sort of testimony (as it is called in a black church). Supposedly she starts yelling about whitey this, whitey that, how whitey keeps down the black race.

Posted by: Dave in DC | May 31, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Obama's supporter's about one thing. We can now focus this race on the issues, which are twofold. The first is the policies of the candidates and the second is the character and ability of the candidates.

On the issue of TUCC, Obama has made his position fairly clear. He doesn't denounce the church, he doesn't want the church subjected to scrutiny and he doesn't want to be held accountable for the way he's worshipped throughout his experience with Christianity. It's up to the voters to decide if his point of view is an acceptable one for a presidential candidate.

If a voter is willing to give him a pass on that, it's time to decide if the voter agrees with his policies. After that decision is made, it's time to review his political history, his candidacy, his judgment and his behavior and decide if he has the strength, the conviction, the power and the ability to handle the job.

My personal point of view is that I don't find his lengthy involvement with TUCC or the way he's handled the scandal surrounding it to be acceptable. But before any of that, though I essentially agree with Obama on many issues, I don't like the way he structures a lot of his solutions, nor do I think he has the experience, the strength or the ability to make good on his promises. Everything he has said and done since I made that decision months ago has served to strengthen it.

Posted by: Lynn | May 31, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

How totally terrific that he has ditched his church. With any luck, he will drop religion altogether. Wouldn't it be great to have a candidate who doesn't believe in the Tooth Fairy?

Posted by: Jeff Wagner | May 31, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

'"It's not a decision I came to lightly, and it's one I make with some sadness," Obama said. But, he added, now that he is a presidential candidate, opponents were using the church's pastors' words to criticize him.'

I wonder what kind of POW Obama would have made at the Hanoi Hilton.

Would the other POWs have found him an asset? Or a liability?

What do you think?

Posted by: DaTourist | May 31, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

How politically convenient for the do and say anything politician to resign. So how is it that your typical politician will change the politics-as-usual culture that exists in Washington.

Posted by: politicohispanico | May 31, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

What's worse: Obama finally deciding to try to separate himself from these bellicose preachers or trying to gut it out by hanging on to them? Before the Obamas ever decided to run for office outside of Illinois, they should have had that serious discussion and made a determination right then -- what did they want to do? It reveals such a lack of judgment and absolutely no perception of how his affiliation with that church and that pastor would come across to the larger population. And some of you still think the Obamas are a smart couple? Still think he's got more judgment than HRC or McCain? I don't.

Posted by: Belle SoCal | May 31, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I betcha if Obama had a clearer understanding of how petty and pathetic his opponents and their supporters were he would not have gotten into this race..It's silly season everyday.. the IQ of these people is minimal at best.. they are so used to nothing getting done in American politics that they look for trival and insignificant fluff to comment on and bog down the process from ever getting to a crescendo state of discussion in order to determine how and when matters of importance will be addressed and handled.
...........business as usual.............

Posted by: lg | May 31, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, well. And yet he still thinks separatist, Marxist black liberation theology and the kind of hate spewed from Trinity's pulpit is just part and parcel of a "fairly conventional Christian faith." And he was that gobsmacked to find his 20-year association with the church and its leaders "subject to such challenge and such scrutiny."

It's illuminating to see what BHO considers "fairly conventional." Not only does this whole episode demonstrate that he's woefully out of touch with mainstream America, it also points to a political tone deafness. I mean, the guy's not the sharpest tack in the box, is he.

Posted by: SukieTawdry | May 31, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is he is a day late and a dollar short on this one. It speaks volumes to his character....or lack thereof.

The sad thing about presidential elections is that we frequently have to vote for the least bad person to be president versus the best candidate.

Posted by: Kelsy | May 31, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry that most people find the priest's words inartful; the basic premise of his argument is solid: white privilege and entitlement exists in America! I have heard white people say this to my face: I'm college-educated and I am white, therefore I deserve that promotion and/or raise. I am a Black man who has an advanced degree and I know white people who don't have a bachelor's degree yet make more money than me. Why? White privilege! No reasonable person can deny that white entitlement/privilege exists -- just look at every aspect of our society and say that it's the imagination.

Posted by: Black and Bitter like Coffee | May 31, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Will he throw Michelle under the bus, next?

The Republicans supposedly have an "October surprise" in the form of a video of Michelle at the pulpit of Trinity Church giving a radical talk where she says "Whitey this" and "Whitey that".

If that's true, will Obama throw her under the bus, too? Will he claim, like he claimed with Rev. Wright, this isn't the person I've known for 20 years?

Posted by: AsperGirl | May 31, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

What's the big deal about being called a "whitey"? Please explain.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

White House Not for Racists,

If this is such a secret tape HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW OF IT???? You don't seem to be the person that would keep such a juicy piece of material quiet.

Posted by: SteelWheel1 | May 31, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse


This is what Obama is all about.

UNDER THE BUS

HIDE MY PAST

HIDE MY HISTORY

Hiding and refusing to answer questions early on was his way of stealing delegates. Before anyone knew anything about him he REFUSED to answer questions about Wright and Rezko.

Why?

Needed to get some (unAmerican) caucus states and delegates in his bag before anyone found out who he was.

Snake.

Without those little caucus states he would not be where he is. He would have lost already.

By Kerry 2004 DNC "rules" Hillary would have been debating McCain for months now.


OBAMA WANTS EVERYONE TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHILE HE STUFFS WHO HE IS UNDER THE BUS


HE LIKES TO HIDE WHO HE IS

WHO HE KNOWS

WHO HE CLAPPED, SWAYED AND SANG WITH

FOR TWENTY YEARS IN CHICAGO


POLITICAL CORRUPTION CRIMINAL REZKO

REV WRIGHT'S RABID ANTI WHITE RACISM

THIS CRAZY WHITE WANNABE BLACK PRIEST (GAG)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfWnY5PC0CQ&feature=related


GOD BLESS AMERICA


IT'S ON TO DENVER FOR HILLARY CLINTON AND HER SUPPORTERS !!!


OBAMA CAN'T BE TRUSTED BY HIS CLOSEST FRIENDS AND SUPPORTERS

THIS GUY IS A LOSER

GOD BLESS AMERICA !


Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

It's totally absurd that pro-Obama media outlets were comparing McCain endorser Rev. Hagee's pro-Israel metaphors with the strangely hateful, aggressively ugly racist and sexist rhetoric at Obama's Church from Obama's longtime friends and mentors. The sociopathic, almost personality-disordered stuff coming down from the pulpit at Trinity Church isn't the same as Hagee's inane, pro-Israel attempts to describe Hitler as the biblical "hunter" God sent to drive his Chosen People back to the Holy Land.

It's difficult for me to speculate how the lunatic, pro-Obama propaganda press is going to spin this in his favor.

I suspect that they will mostly ignore it, continue to try to use language that creates associations between Rev. Hagee's rare questionable comments and Trinity Church's persistent personality-disordered hate preaching. Plus there may be one or two articles that continue the theme of blowing smoke at white people by pretending to explain how all black churches are like this and that only white racists don't know and accept them.

Posted by: AsperGirl | May 31, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

To all of you

Posted by: lovejoy | May 31, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Thank heaven for Fox News, they are the only station that covered the Live news coverage for 30 minutes. All of the other stations proved their bias by no coverage at all for the entire 30 minutes. If not for Fox I would never have known anything about the breaking news. Now if it was something about a republican they would have broke into every station with news bulletins but no, Hulk Hogan news is more important than a front running presidential candidate. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC had nothing, I watched all. The news media is so corrupt it is scary like a communist/socialist state already. And O's timing on saturday evening was perfect also so very few liberals would see how he stumbled on every question.

Posted by: Ken92 | May 31, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has something like 4/5 of the intelligent (i.e. agnostic/atheist) vote in the United States."

Are all athiests and agnostics as intolerant, arrogant and ignorant as you? Sure seems that way from the incessant hate speech you folks spew.

Posted by: rmorrow | May 31, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

pffft, whatever dude...
Obama is so full of malarkey

can't and don't trust him

Posted by: SavvyVoter | May 31, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

WHAT A WIMP!!
THAT CHURCH NEVER DID ANYTHING TO HIM.
ALL THIS TRASH ABOUT WHERE WE WERE MARRIED, WHERE I FOUND CHRIST, WHERE OUR CHILDREN WERE BAPTIZED, ON AND ON AND ON IS JUST THAT . . TRASH. REV. WRIGHT CAUSED OBAMA A PROBLEM NOT THE CHURCH. AND HE HAS ALREADY RETIRED. WHAT IS THE GREAT BIG HAIRY DEAL HERE? OBAMA WILL THROWN ANYTHING AND ANYONE UNDER THE ONCOMING TRUCK.
WHAT A WIMP!!

Posted by: csavferg1 | May 31, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse


Another lifetime supporter - under the bus.

Is there anyone in Obama's world and life who isn't disposable?

He loved this guy. They welcomed him to their church OFTEN.

Here are two videos. In the second one he says white people have raped blacks over and over and over and over

This is what Obama sat and listened to - along with the crazy Rev. FOR TWENTY YEARS. He thinks he can just HIDE THESE THINGS.

Obama is some kind of politician.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfWnY5PC0CQ&feature=related


THIS IS WHERE OBAMA IS "COMING FROM"

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

irratical -

Sorry to hear that you dislike America and white people so much. You have a lot of company among Obama supporters.

Posted by: rmorrow | May 31, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we simply make it a rule that we will not care about a candidate's Sunday idiot? Obama's witch-doctor doesn't seem any worse than the morons who advise McCain. Meanwhile, there is a church in the Washington area that is hostile to Gay people -- the loathsome "Falls Church" in (surprise!) Falls Church.

Religion is a poison. Obama has something like 4/5 of the intelligent (i.e. agnostic/atheist) vote in the United States. That is enough for me. At last we'll have an adult in the White House again.

Posted by: Jeff Wagner | May 31, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

After 8 years under Bush, the most incompetent and divisive President in living memory, the idea that this intellectually stunted son of WASP privilege could be replaced by a self-made black man named Barrack Obama is simply amazing, and if it were to happen, would go far in re-establishing America as truly the land of opportunity, where anyone, regardless of race or class, can ascend to the highest pinnacle of power. It's a story so compelling that it almost seems inevitable.

But then under more sober reflection, the reality remains that there is much in the American psyche that is retrograde, paranoid, and fundamentally hostile, and it would be a mistake to underestimate the right-wing ugliness woven into the fabric of this country.

After all, there's a reason why we elect people like George Bush as our leaders.

Posted by: irratical | May 31, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Obamba, church and all, over 100-years-in-Iraq McCain, or what can be called "old-fogey Bush III."

Posted by: frank burns | May 31, 2008 9:28 PM
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What a stupid comment. Whoopee! Another Obama supporter makes an ad hominem attack!

Why even bother to type that crap out? Can't you think of anything non-ignorant to say?

Posted by: rmorrow | May 31, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA SAID TODAY:
"We don't want to have to answer for everything that's stated in the church," Obama told reporters. "We also don't want the church subjected to the scrutiny that a presidential campaign legitimately undergoes."

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IT WAS IN THAT ORDER: FIRST, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S SATED IN THE CHURCH.

THAT'S A POLITICIAN SPEAKING.

CAN YOU BELIEVE HIS LOGIC? SOMEONE ATTACKS YOU AND TO "PROTECT" I STOP BEING YOUR FRIEND.

HUSSAIN IS DESPICABLE.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

QUOTES & TAKES FROM OBAMA PRESS CONFERENCE

Obama, in his speech about resigning, goes into a long, long riff about much harassment and abuse Trinity Church is experiencing on account of his being a Presidential candidate from all the attention. Apparently his main position is that too much attention and stress is being placed on Trinity Church due to his being a Presidential candidate.

Specific quotes --

"We don't want a Church subjected to the scrutiny that a Presidential candidate understandably undergoes".

(I suppose, that according to Obama, the nasty, harsh spotlight of politics was forcing itself into the pastoral, spiritual and peaceful world of racist and sexist hate speech against Obama's political opponents that the pastors preached from its pulpits.)

"I suppose that there is a cultural and stylistic gap that has come into play in this issue."

(I suppose that racist and sexist hate speech is about "cultural and stylistic" choices, when black people do it to white people.)

"I did not anticipate my fairly conventional Christian faith being subjected to such challenge and scrutiny"

(Again, the focus is on Obama's apparent resentment of attention being paid to Trinity Church, as if political focus forced on his church and not attention to its racist, Afrocentric hostility toward his political opponents preached from the pulpit has caused the flap.)

"I don't think that I'm going through a religious test."

(That's not surprising because, according to him, it's all about the hostile political attention forcing itself onto the pastoral privacy of his racist, hate-speech-mongering church and not anything to do with the church itself.)

"I suspect that if you were in my shoes that it seems plausible at least that you wouldn't want your church to be a political experience and most ... wouldn't want to subject their church to that either..."

(Still, in Obama's mind it's about his church's privacy being invaded by hostile political attention causing the controversy, and not something the church has invited or caused.)

"I'm not denouncing the Church... if [people] have seen caricatures about the church ... then there's not much I can do about that."

"I do think that there is certainly a tradition in the African American church ... to speak out against injustice ... and my hope would be that any Presidential candidate can go to a church and hear a sermon and even hear some controversial statements without those views being imputed to them and those statements being subjected to the same political tests [that a candidate's own statements would be subjected to]"

(i.e. in Obama's opinion, part of the problem with the racist rants at Trinity is that the appalled people who watch it are subjecting it to the high standards to which a President's speech is subjected. In my opinion, the sermons at Trinity Church don't rise to the standard of speech that should be on a late night comedy show on a fringe cable channel.)

Posted by: AsperGirl | May 31, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Obamba, church and all, over 100-years-in-Iraq McCain, or what can be called "old-fogey Bush III."

Posted by: frank burns | May 31, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

It's fine for "Christians" to discriminate against homosexuals. It's fine to slaughter animals for food because they are only animals.

Where's all the moaning and crying about that???

Religion and America are built upon HATE!

Oh, what's the score in the baseball game???

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

It is sad but necessary that Barack and Michelle Obama have had to resign from Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC). As a UCC member for my whole life, and as the (white) son of a UCC clergyman, I hope that this resignation from Trinity UCC does not end Obama's connection with the UCC as a denomination.

Power in the UCC is very decentralized, and folks in the religious groups with traditional top-down church government (Roman Catholic, Episcopal, Methodist) can't seem to understand that. My father was politically quite liberal, but he believed that it was inappropriate for him to endorse or condemn politicians or political causes during sermons. Pastors of his generation tended to follow that same rule.

TUCC does NOT represent the entire UCC denomination, but is atypical in being very large (~8,000 members) and mostly black. It has gone its own way, and there is no mechanism in place by which the central UCC denominational office can force it to put on the brakes with respect to what can be said from its pulpit.

TUCC has done a lot of good in its community, but would have been an albatross around Obama's neck. It's totally clear that he himself is not a racist; I have read both of his profound books cover to cover. Those who criticize him for resigning, or for not resigning sooner, are overlooking TUCC's record of good works and also the inability of one member family to control what is said from the TUCC pulpit.

I still enthusiastically support Obama for President.

Posted by: oldhonky | May 31, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Basically this move is once again taking all of the air out of the room.

Who will be talking about the DNC decision or McCain.
Indeed all of these little associative pricks chanted by obsessed detractors on hardcore talk radio have made him stronger. It has shown he can take a punch and hit back.

Also when one hears the obsessive Obama critics whine and nitpick
it smells like fear and panic.

Posted by: empireport | May 31, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

We're through the looking glass here. The mainstream media has created a complete fantasy.

African Americans have suffered hardship beyond imagination in this country. We have gutted it out through faith, courage, hard work, adaptability and even humor. However, there's probably not a second of any day where one of us is not called a nig**r, a police officer doesn't stop someone soley because of the color of their skin, a black person isn't the subject of some tasteless racist comment, or someone doesn't get mistreated on the job because of their skin color.

But, because there are a handful of incredibly successful and powerful African Americans in this country and a burgeoning middle class the media would have us believe that racial discrimination and insensitivity towards blacks is over. Indeed, they've turned it on it's head and now it's blacks like Jeremiah Wright, and their enablers like Father Pfleger, who are the real racists. Of course, it's all our fault.

This is even more foolish than some blacks mistakenly blaming all their hardship on the white man. We have to grin and bear it continuously through heartless comments from whites, yet if a black person says something that's irritating it's somehow beyond the pale.

I'm ashamed of brother Obama tonight. And white America ought to be ashamed of itself--I imagine that the Lord is ashamed of you.

I pray that He would open your eyes so that you might see, and open your ears so that you might hear, and give you all hearts of understanding; in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Posted by: faithfulservant3 | May 31, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Oprah was smart enough to make this decision years ago. Obama waited until the superdelegates pressured him. He will cave to foreign leaders the same way he has caved to the media.

Posted by: obama the politician | May 31, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama would do and say anything to win. He's abandoned his principles. Disloyal and expedient. I'd have more respect for him if he'd stayed in the church, warts and all. I actually used to like this guy (but don't agree with him on anything and would not have voted for him). I could have tolerated his policies as president because I used to respect him. I'll have to cling tighter to my guns and religion though.

I can't wait - Jimmy Carter II - 4 years of misery. The light at the end of the tunnel is in 2012. After Obama goofs it up, the Republicans will fix themselves and they'll bury the Dems for the next century.

Posted by: David | May 31, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama's pastor problems are all McCain's fault. Republicans will do anything to retain the presidency. Anything at all.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | May 31, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh, ye, who have never been caught in a church dilemma before. It is a tough thing even when you are not in the public's eye.

It is particularly hard for Barack to make this decision because of his obvious involvement over the years in this church. Many politicians are only involved in their churches during campaign season.

As we say, the spindle was getting piled high with pieces of paper, each one recording an error in theology, deed, or attitude.

My pastor, who was the best man in my wedding over 30 years ago, was the reason that my wife and I ultimately left our church. It was a sad day, but we had to make that decision.

I am sure that Obama has similar feelings deep inside.

I prefer for a person to make a decision, albeit a difficult and politically uncorrect one. Afterall, this is very much a personal decision, one that does not affect me as an American citizen. Obama has not offended me either way. It is his vision for America and how he will carry forth in that vision that I am most interested in. I assure you that the I-shall-not-change-my-mind approach by Pres. Bush serves no one well. The proof is in Iraq where our troops continue to die, our military is being worn down to nothing, and our view in the world has suffered greatly.

I respect Obama's choice in this matter. He is courageous despite the spin that will be put on it. He is darned if he does and darned if he doesn't. I listen to reading some Christian charity on this blog, regardless of one's position on this issue.

Posted by: Earl C | May 31, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone wonder why Rev. Wright came out recently and Fr. Pfleger came out this past Sunday with comments that they had to know would cause Obama problems? If they support Obama, that doesn't make any sense. Could it be that they know something about Obama that we don't?

Posted by: Dan | May 31, 2008 8:47 PM ++++++++++++++++++++++

NO!! DONT YOU GET IT?

OBAMABOTS ARE MORONS!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

We're through the looking glass here. The mainstream media has created a complete fantasy.

African Americans have suffered hardship beyond imagination in this country. We have gutted it out through faith, courage, hard work, adaptability and even humor. However, there's probably not a second of any day where one of us is not called a nig**r, a police officer doesn't stop someone soley because of the color of their skin, a black person isn't the subject of some tasteless racist comment, or someone doesn't get mistreated on the job because of their skin color.

But, because there are a handful of incredibly successful and powerful African Americans in this country and a burgeoning middle class the media would have us believe that racial discrimination and insensitivity towards blacks is over. Indeed, they've turned it on it's head and now it's blacks like Jeremiah Wright, and their enablers like Father Pfleger, who are the real racists. Of course, it's all our fault.

This is even more foolish than some blacks mistakenly blaming all their hardship on the white man.

I'm ashamed of brother Obama tonight. And white America ought to be ashamed of itself--I imagine that the Lord is ashamed of you.

I pray that He would open your eyes so that you might see, and open your ears so that you might hear, and give you all hearts of understanding; in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Posted by: faithfulservant3 | May 31, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I've heard from multiple sources that there is a tape of Obama's wife making some sort of testimony (as it is called in a black church). Supposedly she starts yelling about whitey this, whitey that, how whitey keeps down the black race.

Posted by: Dave in DC | May 31, 2008 9:58 PM
......................................
I've heard this several times. If it is true, why hasn't it surfaced yet? Could be a rumor that someone decided to start just for fun.

Posted by: Sean | May 31, 2008 10:05 PM


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The Republicans are conniving, but they aren't stupid. They're saving it for October or another politically opportune time to "leak" the video. If they leaked it now, voters would forget before November's election.

Posted by: Tirade | May 31, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone wonder why Rev. Wright came out recently and Fr. Pfleger came out this past Sunday with comments that they had to know would cause Obama problems? If they support Obama, that doesn't make any sense. Could it be that they know something about Obama that we don't?

Posted by: Dan | May 31, 2008 8:47 PM
___________________________________________
They know the unmasking of their corrupting, sexist, racist livelihoods getting a black man elected to the US Presidency would bring.

Posted by: Elizabeth | May 31, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

The problem Obama has with white uneducated voters is they never had the fine points of race and racism explained to them by learned professors. Not having a higher education to reply upon they must substitute common sense.

1.They have a very hard time understanding how anyone with any intelligence can sit in a Church for 20 years and support ones friend and mentor week after week, month after month, year after year with his money, family and attendance while listening to Hate American, Hate whites, Hate every thing rants, (with the exception of Blacks and Muslins) and still insist that he has not endorsed and does not believe in the Message, and he has not endorsed and does not believe in the MESSENGER.
2.They do not understand why believing in God, lovering this Nation, supporting the second Amendment, supporting Article IV Section IV of our Constitution against Invasion, and supporting the rule of Law, apparently believing in our Constitution and the Rule of Law, makes them intelligibly inferior, bitter and the object of scorn and ridicule by Obama and his Cult followers!

Posted by: Black Saint | May 31, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

So far Barack, 90% against you, 8% in favor and 2% wait and see. Looks like an uphill battle to me. Would you not love it if you could do it all over again?
So far, Hillary 1
Dems 0

Posted by: Harold | May 31, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's also be alert. Those who would want to make the "Christian" or "faithful" brand exclusively associated with only one party in the mind of the public must be pleased. In Barack and Michelle Obama, they had met their greatest challenge in this campaign.

We the public should not let ourselves get played on this one.

Posted by: Baptist minister's daughter | May 31, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

So the question remains, why didn't he do this 20 years ago?

Being a member then helped him (stay) being a member now hurts him (leave). Simple stuff beneath the fancy rhetoric. Not a new breed of politician, just ANOTHER politician.

The Pubs will trumpet this relentlessly in attack ads in the fall.

I'll admit I'm gonna miss all the beauts they were preparing for Hildebeast instead. Ah, whaddayagonnado?

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 31, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what kind of POW Obama would have made at the Hanoi Hilton.

Would the other POWs have found him an asset? Or a liability?

What do you think?

Posted by: DaTourist | May 31, 2008 9:57 PM

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Probably better than this:
1973 New York Daily News labeled POW McCain III a "PW Songbird"
On McCain III's fourth day of being denied medical treatment, slapped, and threatened with
death by the communist (they were demanding military information in exchange for medical
treatment), McCain III broke and told his interrogator, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former
POW John McCain.

It was then that the communist learned that McCain III's father was Admiral John S. McCain,
the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific. The Vietnamese rushed McCain III to
Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable
for U.S. POWs.

By Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press was quoting McCain III describing
his mission including the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the
order of which U.S. attacks would take place.
While in still in North Vietnam's military hospital, McCain III gave an interview to prominent
French television reporter Francois Chalais for a series titled Life in Hanoi. Chalais' interview with McCain III was aired in Europe.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/mccain_post_card_word%5B1%5D.pdf

Posted by: infuse | May 31, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The problem Obama has with white uneducated voters is they never had the fine points of race and racism explained to them by learned professors. Not having a higher education to reply upon they must substitute common sense.

1.They have a very hard time understanding how anyone with any intelligence can sit in a Church for 20 years and support ones friend and mentor week after week, month after month, year after year with his money, family and attendance while listening to Hate American, Hate whites, Hate every thing rants, (with the exception of Blacks and Muslins) and still insist that he has not endorsed and does not believe in the Message, and he has not endorsed and does not believe in the MESSENGER.
2.They do not understand why believing in God, lovering this Nation, supporting the second Amendment, supporting Article IV Section IV of our Constitution against Invasion, and supporting the rule of Law, apparently believing in our Constitution and the Rule of Law, makes them intelligibly inferior, bitter and the object of scorn and ridicule by Obama and his Cult followers!

Posted by: Black Saint | May 31, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE.

Posted by: Tirade | May 31, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what kind of POW Obama would have made at the Hanoi Hilton.

Would the other POWs have found him an asset? Or a liability?

What do you think?

Posted by: DaTourist | May 31, 2008 9:57 PM

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Probably better than this:
1973 New York Daily News labeled POW McCain III a "PW Songbird"
On McCain III's fourth day of being denied medical treatment, slapped, and threatened with
death by the communist (they were demanding military information in exchange for medical
treatment), McCain III broke and told his interrogator, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former
POW John McCain.

It was then that the communist learned that McCain III's father was Admiral John S. McCain,
the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific. The Vietnamese rushed McCain III to
Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable
for U.S. POWs.

By Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press was quoting McCain III describing
his mission including the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the
order of which U.S. attacks would take place.
While in still in North Vietnam's military hospital, McCain III gave an interview to prominent
French television reporter Francois Chalais for a series titled Life in Hanoi. Chalais' interview with McCain III was aired in Europe.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/mccain_post_card_word%5B1%5D.pdf

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama has completely separated himself from his minister and his church. What worries me is this: Can we expect a President Obama to cave in to the whims and will of the right on policies and issues he knows are important, if this nation is to move forward in a progressive and compassionate manner? Can we expect him to genuflect to negative reports by an uninformed, misinformed or ill-willed media? Is the candidate of change willing to go-along in a willy-nilly get-along fashion?
I hope not, but I'm not sure.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I have always felt that Obama used his faith as a tool to get elected. To me, this confirms it.

Posted by: faithfulservant3 | May 31, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

White preachers in 1862 wrote articles that were published in newspapers. These southern baptist preachers of that era wrote that blacks were evil and were not capable of maintaining their own systems and control outside of the slavery hold they were in. Yet I have heard nothing of this. Search the old microfilms of papers from that era. You will find what Rev Wright said to be pale by comparison.

Posted by: Ben Matheny | May 31, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama, in his speech about resigning, goes into a long, long riff about much harassment and abuse Trinity Church is experiencing on account of his being a Presidential candidate from all the attention.

Posted by: AsperGirl | May 31, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

On Dec. 12, 2002, Obama, then serving as an Illinois state senator and filling in as host of the Cliff Kelley radio show on WVON, challenged the Republican Party to demand Lott's resignation.

"It seems to be that we can forgive a 100-year-old senator for some of the indiscretion of his youth, but, what is more difficult to forgive is the current president of the U.S. Senate (Lott) suggesting we had been better off if we had followed a segregationist path in this country after all of the battles and fights for civil rights and all the work that we still have to do," said Obama.

He added: "The Republican Party itself has to drive out Trent Lott. If they have to stand for something, they have to stand up and say this is not the person we want representing our party."
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59337
.............

ITS TIME TO DEMAND BARRY RESIGNS HIS SENATE SEAT.

Posted by: THETRUTH | May 31, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse


I don't know. How can the world trust Obama? He's got the flimsy whimsy's.

Can world leaders BELIEVE him? Who he is? What he stands for? What they see?

Might they ask how many masks are in his circus trunk?

Can American's BELIEVE him? Does he stand for anything? Is anything about him NOT disposable?


Stuff, stuff, stuff the problem folks under the bus.
No more room? Too bad. Stuff, stuff, stuff. Hide them away.

The American people won't remember them. Even if their arms and legs are sticking out all over the place.

Let's see....

Ah - look at all the Useless People

Grandmother who brought him up. (Where was that not-so-single remarried Mom?) She made him "cringe". But the loonie Reverend was good for political and community connections. He never made Obama "cringe". Clappin and singing along. Think of all the voters in that church. All the people he could network with. Total Politician. NOT DIFFERENT

Criminal Rezko who bankrolled and paved his Chicago political road with over a quarter million dollars - in less than seven years. For "nothing" Obama says. Oh - one mistake. The 1.6 million dollar mansion he bought with the guy. Under the bus Tony Rezko - you're not good for my image. 289K. Thanks Tony. By Tony. Total Politician. NOT DIFFERENT.

The Church Itself. Rev Wright - good for black political networking. Think of all the voters in that church. All the people he could work. Total Politician. NOT DIFFERENT

Despicable.

First election in Chicago? He challenged voter signatures on his opponents lists. Had his opponents thrown out. HELLO? The guy that signed up voters for HIMSELF then had other peoples supporters signatures THROWN OUT and THROWN OFF. And those people were long time Chicago black community social workers. They had lived and helped the people of that community their whole lives.

Obama used DIVIDE and CONQUER Politics 101. He doesn't care about people or their votes or their voices. He cares about HIMSELF.


He isn't a UNITER. He is a DIVIDER.

Today they perfected it. DIVIDED THE VOTES CAST BY MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA'S VOTERS.


NOVEMBER = NOBAMA


PERIOD

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

the only sin the reverend committed was saying the obvious. there are hard truths we know, but can never say (particularly during an election year).

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton should run as an independent or Clinton supporters should vote for McCain if our choices are between Obama and McCain. Since it is my strong belief that the Democrats will have their filibuster-proof majority and will be able to override every veto that McCain casts.

We need to send a message to the DNC RBC and the Democratic Party for not counting all the votes of Florida and Michigan! Make your protest vote by voting for McCain!

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

He leaves the church you complain, he stays in the church you complain. I wish he would throw all these whiners under the bus

Posted by: Nora | May 31, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Look at all the white Bush votes acting racially offended, as if this somehow genuinely affects their long held opinions on Obama.

You a-holes were never going to vote for a Democrat anyway, so vote McCain and stop acting like black people owe you an apology. They don't.

Posted by: porchnik | May 31, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

And Obama carries this other smelly baggage from his days as a Chicago politician:

"A felony arrest warrant has been issued for indicted political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko, on charges he hasn't repaid more than $800,000 in gambling debts to three Las Vegas Strip casinos."

From:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-fundraiser-gamblingde,0,7482900.story

Posted by: WylieD | May 31, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

The priest is not a colleague of Senator Obama. This is what I mean by ignorance and its how the opposition wins using these people. They don't bother to verify they just believe. Now anyone speaking at Trinity is speaking for Obama. Don't let your real fears show. ITS NOT ABOUT OBAMA...ITS ABOUT HIS COLOR. PLEASE GIVE UP THE FEAR. DARE TO BE FREE OF IT AND REALLY SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE WAITING FOR US ALL. UNITED WE STAND AND DIVIDED WE FAIL

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

This witch hunt of ministers and what they say to their congregations needs to stop. Of course what is driving this witch hunt is the ridiculous right wing Sean Hannity and the idiots on Fox News. It really is an attack on the black church in the manner the media has taken this on. No one even knows what religious affiliation John McCain has, or if he is even a Christian or not. Whether you are black or white, if you go to church as I do, you will find that ministers are always saying something that sounds crazy at one time or another, that's because they are not perfect and their examples and annodotes don't always make sense; just like when your parents told you things which to this day, you believe are as crazy as anything else you have heard. People need to get a grip on the subject of religion. Most people attend church for a million and one reasons, and probably hardly any of the reasons are because of the minister. Its about the fellowship at church, not always the lessons of the bible.

Posted by: Linda in Houston | May 31, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Why took him this long? Why he didn't feel offended before he was running for president?

Posted by: Josh | May 31, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Michelle's whitey video comes out on Monday. That's why Obama left the church. As usual, he's in denial. Just wait till whiteys all over America see Michelle ranting about how she hates them!
Priceless!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Now Obama will come out with another Great Race Speech. Or a variation thereon, like

a Great Pastor Speech,
a Great Religion Speech,
a Great Distraction Speech, or
a Great Anything Speech, really

because all we really need is for him to come out with something beautiful (even if vague and unspecific) so that we can reground our belief that this is a man who can will help us transcend race (even though he apparently hasn't led anyone around him not be racist) and heal divisions (even though the Democratic Party is more or less making divisiveness history right now) and bring a better tone to politics (even though this has been one of the most personally poisonous, sexist and offensive Democratic primaries in recent history).

All we need from Barack Obama is to hear his beautiful, soaring rhetoric and everything will be okay again, whether or not it has any resemblance to reality associated with the candidate.

Posted by: ephemerella | May 31, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080531/ap_on_el_pr/obama

Haw! Haw! Haw!

Even the WP editors couldn't sit on this story any longer!

Posted by: DaTourist | May 31, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh, the drip, drip, drip.. of HRCs bitter supporters. Face it, folks, a better nominee beat yer girl. And I agree with all of the other posters. This is not about churches, flag pins, or other insubstantial, non-substantive nonsense. Its about the war and the economy, stupid.

I mean, if we had to concern ourselves with all of the inconsequential drivel of Bill Clinton, such as the blizzard of panties he was covered in AND the shady deals he and his wife were involved in Arkansas, his @$$ never would have been elected.

Lets get real, folks.

Posted by: TexasVotez | May 31, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Since the controversy over Rev Wright erupted in early March, Clinton has received more popular votes and elected delegates than Obama in the Democratic primaries.

Now imagine how this will play out in the general election, where Obama will need to win over more than just Democratic voters.

Posted by: WylieD | May 31, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I am a Clinton supporter but was prepared to support Obama in the probable liklihood that he became the candidate of the Democrats. I was chagrined to hear the christian man of the cloth demeaning and belittling Senator Clinton AND engaging the audience in racist rhetoric.

The most telling thing for me was not the man of the cloth, speaking words of only one man, but the audience participation and pleasure in the racist rhetoric of the priest. If this is an example of the congregants, it is clear that racism reigns supreme.

I believe Obama's background probably enables him to deal appropriately with black liberation theology. I am far less certain about Michelle's thinking. Her background is, as I understand it, pure Chicago. Therefore, I strongly suspect she believes in this theology more than Obama does. I am hopeful that Obama can come to terms with what may be the mind set of his most powerful surrogate, Michelle.

Finally, perhaps it is time for all preachers, priests, ministers, imans, rabbis to withdraw to their congregations and to not engage in political rhetoric. That would seem to be hard in light of the accomplishments of Martin Luther King. However, this is now and not then. If persons of the cloth, whatever ilk, cannot maintain the separation of church and state, perhaps the institutions they represent should lose their tax free status.

Posted by: jaimetre | May 31, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Like Obama had a choice but to remove himself from the church. Pretty soon he is going to have to disconnect himself from mankind, considering the MSM likes to find him guilty by association with just about anything that breathes.

Take away his church, and press will have to find something else to focus on. Say, maybe, the issues? Maybe even John McCain's missteps and gaffes.

Posted by: pb&j | May 31, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has taken the important step of resigning his church membership. It is now even more important that he come forward and specifically renounce black liberation theology as a guiding philosophy in his life.

Despite all the frenzy concerning Wright's and Pfleger's hateful comments, this is really the central issue of the controversy. Will the next President of the United States disavow the belief that all whites must "give up their whiteness" and become black in order to achieve racial harmony.

We await Obama's response.

Posted by: magellan1 | May 31, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Like Obama had a choice but to remove himself from the church. Pretty soon he is going to have to disconnect himself from mankind, considering the MSM likes to find him guilty by association with just about anything that breathes.

Take away his church, and press will have to find something else to focus on. Say, maybe, the issues? Maybe even John McCain's missteps and gaffes.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse


Awwww. Ron

Aren't you a nice trusting soul. Obama's favorite kind of sap.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

This wan act of priciple

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This scum bag wouldn't know principle if it bit him in the butt.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Dang if you do and dang if you don't. Before anyone throws the first stone take a good look at yourself. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes. It takes more guts to rectify them. There is a reason to practice seperation of church and state. When will this country wake up recognize it. Our forefathers left their homelands so they be could be free to think for themselves. We have no right to force our views on another person. Obama, it took guts to do what you did and I am sorry for your church that you left. I am also sorry for all the current posts who are so narrow minded and stupid. Good luck in the Fall 2008

Posted by: moonotter | May 31, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

we kn ow what was preached because we saw the video's and then say wright - the racist anti white anti american mentor of hussein obama say it again in person.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone wonder why Rev. Wright came out recently and Fr. Pfleger came out this past Sunday with comments that they had to know would cause Obama problems? If they support Obama, that doesn't make any sense. Could it be that they know something about Obama that we don't?

Posted by: Dan | May 31, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama fans. Words count, the people you associate with says a lot about your character. No one is saying that Rev. Wright or the Priest speak for him. The fact is these people were his mentors. He has had a twenty year history with them. This is not the first time he has heard these words or something like it. Proof being how quick he responded to the priest words even though he wasn't in the church. Words matter and their attack on Senator Clinton and the Church members response say it all. Disgusting but these people he has called friends.

These are the same type of supporters that have been on the blogs saying all sorts of disgusting things about Senator Clinton and her supporters. Why does he attract these type of people? Why do they feel so comfortable in going on all the blogs saying the things they say? Perhaps there has been nothing from the Obama camp to say this isn't right. That makes it seems like he condones this type of talk espicially since he sat in a church for twenty years listening to this samie type of talk.

Posted by: catmomtx | May 31, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

DAN, maybe they both know something about the murder of the gay, choir leader, Donald Young and his fellow-congregant lover.

Posted by: 07001 | May 31, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

This just PROVES how phony Obama is.

Just drop your religion, your beliefs, your twenty year community - throw it under the bus.

This is EVERYTHING Obama is about.

And he timed it to go out just as the DNC voted to give Michigan and Florida voters half a voice. Deter, deflect, lie and make excuses.

This guy is a real talent.

Getting real crowded under that Obama bus !!! Hey, the Rev can welcome all the congregation when they get there.

NOVEMBER = NOBAMA


HILLARY AND OUR 50% ARE GOING ON TO DENVER !!!!


Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad - I left my church and became a Unitarian because of all the politics and hypocrisy of organized religion

Posted by: whatithink | May 31, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The people writing here are only concerned with how they can attack Obama. He had to resign because that is a church that was not behaving as a church but as a political organization. What their message is has less importance than the fact that it is not acting as a religious institution.

I am sorry for Obama and his family because this is a personal loss for them.

I think an investigation of the tax exempt status of Trinity, not as a reprisal but simply because the church is not acting as a church.

Those who write that this is too late are announcing their ignorance as they do not know what went on in that church they only know what has been publicized. I recognized from their support of McCain that they have a penchant for ignorance.

This is not a political issue in my mind but rather a spiritual one. Looking at it otherwise is self revealing.

Posted by: Ron M | May 31, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse


CAN OBAMA FIT ANYONE ELSE UNDER THAT BUS ??

I DOUBT IT !!


UNITER?

NOPE.

DIVIDE AND CONQUER POLITICAL PLAYBOY


HE'S NOT NEW TO POLITICS

HE'S NOTHING "DIFFERENT"


HIS THUGS JUST HIJACKED THE VOTES AND VOICES OF MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA


OBAMA IS A ME ME MAN

AND A WHITE DC ESTABLISHMENT WHITE BOYS CLUB PUPPET

HE IS GOING TO BE "OWNED" BY THEM

BECAUSE HE'S CLUELESS

THE ONLY BUDGET HE EVER SAW - MICHELLE SAYS THEY COULD BARELY PAY FOR THE BALLET LESSONS


OH YEAH. LET'S HAND HIM OUR TRILLIONS OF HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS


TRUST THEM TO THE EASY STREET BOY

WHITE MONEY
BLACK VOTES

OBAMA IS DESPICABLE


Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama quits Trinity....WHY? Political Expediency?

"I Don't Think My Church Is Actually Particularly Controversial,".......

"I Can No More Disown Him Than I Can My White Grandmother" ........

Wright suggested that Obama was insincere in distancing himself from his pastor."He didn't distance himself," "He had to distance himself, because HE'S A POLITICIAN." We know that if Senator Obama did not say what he said, HE WOULD NEVER GET ELECTED. "Politicians Say What They Say and Do What They Do Based On Electability, Based On Sound Bites. Based On Polls".........

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036 *Portrait of Barack Hussein Obama*

Posted by: EDR | May 31, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Bob said: "We need at least one media outlet to investigate this church and find out why they all seem to be hateful racists."

You seem interested in investigations and accuracy. How the heck do YOU KNOW that ALL members of this congregation are hateful racists. Practice what you preach and/or try to be more careful in what you "say" in print. There are wackos in any large group. So does that mean every member of the group agrees with, supports, and endorses the most outrageous statements ANY member or leader makes? You would have perhaps been more at home in the "old" days of Salem witch trials. Guilt by association. Burn the whole family... The idea is we should have evolved enough within our culture to distinguish differences within any group and judge each individual separately.

Posted by: stevek | May 31, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Good thing. The average Christian Joe wants real discussion on real issues. What we have instead is a Big Media program just like the Pentagon's recently exposed Retired Miltary TV Analyst propanganda campaign, replete with the same corruptions and war-profiteering. As a nation we have been ill-served by seven years of pseudo-Christian media manipulation and faith-based government. We need a leader who will remove these pretenders from our government, just as we the people should excise the pretenders in our media who hide behind our First Ammendment. In order to effectively remove our governmemt from the Church and return it to the people, our governors must first remove themselves from the Church.

Posted by: RickP. | May 31, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"We have had 8 years of on the job training with Bush, we can not afford to elect another trainee who has no ideas of his own and can be manipulated."

Funny how the people who always make these sorts of statements are the very ones who followed Bush so eagerly in his biggest mistake, the Iraq war.

There may be a Hillary supporter somewhere who DIDN'T support the invasion of Iraq, but I've never met one, that's for sure.

Posted by: OD | May 31, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

No surprise here.

He joined the church to get votes in Illinois.

He ditches the church because it costs him votes nationally.

Obama doesn't seem to have a church, his church is politics.

Posted by: Comment | May 31, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

What a pathetic hypocritical move. Quite convenient that he timed this announcement nearly *to the minute* of the rules committee votes that effectively sealed his status as the overall primary winner and democratic nominee. Time to prepare for the general election so let me dump this chuch? FLUSH! Despite the media's best attempts to annoint this guy the next president he is doomed to lose 40 states.

Posted by: Steve L. | May 31, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama threw his Church under the bus only after he got busted.

Posted by: Frank | May 31, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

How about you just judge them by their own words and actions on that score, instead of by the words and actions of others?

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 31, 2008 8:06 PM

___________________________________________
Own words and actions ?? Fair enough. Like Obama's lying words and ever changing accounts of this story OR actions as an active member of a racist church for 20 years, even trying to make Rev Wright a spiritual advisor to his campaign ??

Posted by: Elizabeth | May 31, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

oh, and did any one notice he has on his flag today? What he won't do for votes. Not from me!!!!

Posted by: jane | May 31, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Too little twenty years too late. Talk about sh*tting on his allies for political expediency. If the DNC is stupid enough to pick that fraud as their candidate, I'll vote for Clinton, if she has the courage to run as an independent, or I'll vote for McCain. I'll never vote for that racist, criminal, lying, weak fraud. Screw the Democratic Party. They abandoned their supporters long ago and we owe them no loyalty. Clinton or McCain! NEVER OBAMA!

Posted by: Griffin | May 31, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

it was a republican and he drove past a kkk meating you leftists would be screaming for the death penalty and calling him a racist slave owner. but since its a black racist who went to an anti american, white race hating, black church - well that just ok by you.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

This election is about an illegal, immoral war, the economy, health care, sub-prime mortgages, people losing their homes and jobs, the environment, and a number of other issues far more critical than where the Obama family chooses to worship. Do you want four more years of Bush? Then vote for McCain.

Posted by: Maryanne Conheim | May 31, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I feel so sad for the Bush-McCain campaign... They will have a tougher job with their propaganda aimed at not dealing with the important issues.

Posted by: Logan-6 | May 31, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

In the wake of the Father Michael Pfleger controversial sermon last Sunday at Trinity United Church of Christ, Barack Obama sent a letter yesterday resigning from his place of worship for the past 20 years.
I sort of, kind of, understand why he did it. But I'm also sort of, kind of, concerned about what this might portend for an Obama presidency.
Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Trinity are community building blocks that the right wing has turned into bricks to be thrown at presidential candidate Obama from now until the general election ends in November--and perhaps beyond.
So in an attempt to turn manufactured right-wing ammo into blanks, Obama has completely separated himself from his minister and his church. What worries me is this: Can we expect a President Obama to cave in to the whims and will of the right on policies and issues he knows are important, if this nation is to move forward in a progressive and compassionate manner? Can we expect him to genuflect to negative reports by an uninformed, misinformed or ill-willed media? Is the candidate of change willing to go-along in a willy-nilly get-along fashion?
I hope not, but I'm not sure.
Obama knows what Trinity is about. I've only set foot in the church twice in my life and I know what it's about. It's nothing like it's being portrayed in the national media. Nor is Rev. Wright.
Obama knows that Rev. Wright and his church and Father Pfleger have been forces for good on Chicago's South Side for three decades. Both Trinity and Father Pfleger should have known the Catholic priest's racially-tinged mocking Hillary Clinton performance would only be perceived as another weapon to use against Obama. They should know, as I know, that they ultimately left the Illinois senator with little political choice.
I also know that perception can become reality in our media-defined world. But reality is not always perception. And, the reality is that Obama cannot let the right-wing dictate his principles.
Should this become his practice as president, then for those who have invested so much hope in him, his victory will only be a pyrrhic one.

http://monroeanderson.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/05/wright-out-or-w.html


FYI, YOU ALL:

REV WRIGHT SAID IT , AND BARRY PROVED IT:

BARRY IS A POLITICIAN AND WILL SAY AND DO ANYTHING TO GET TO POWER.

HOW MUCH OF HIS BLACKNESS IS HE GOING TO SHED IN THIS ELECTIONS.

MAYBE HE SHOULD DO LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON:
PAINT HIS SKIN WHITE. IN THAT WAY WHITES WILL FIND HIM COMPLETELY INOFFENSIVE.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I just LOVE how everyone knows exactly what kind of sermons were preached in the church over the last 20 years - unbelievable, simply unbeleivable how people twist what small amount they know and state things as facts.

Unless you have been a member of the church, all that you can do is speculate.

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 31, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this guy really wants the job!!!!! So all that talking about how wonderful the church is what just that? Talk?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Will Obama now be saying that staying with this "church?" was boneheaded?

This man lacks all judgment and only does things when they are politically beneficial to his career.

We have had 8 years of on the job training with Bush, we can not afford to elect another trainee who has no ideas of his own and can be manipulated.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe all of the self rightious BS that comes out when Obama is involved. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Worry about the guy's pastor? What a joke from the comments many don't listen to their own.

Too bad all of the Obama haters didn't use their brains when they voted for Bush and now support McSame.

Posted by: SelfRightiousBS | May 31, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Does ANYONE REMEMBER???? C'mon...they taught tou(?) at School??

CHURCH & STATE...SOMTH'N ABOUT SEPARAT'ON??

LET OBAMA AND ALL OF US PRAY OR NOT 'N PEACE!!!!

Would YOU Welcome the Press to Come Snoop at YOUR CHURCH or Synagogue or Mosque??

CAN YOU ARGUE W/ THAT...

Lord Forgv'em Them...Fore They Do Not Understand.

Posted by: CaseyJonesed | May 31, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Does ANYONE REMEMBER???? C'mon...they taught tou(?) at School??

CHURCH & STATE...SOMTH'N ABOUT SEPARAT'ON??

LET OBAMA AND ALL OF US PRAY OR NOT 'N PEACE!!!!

Would YOU Welcome the Press to Come Snoop at YOUR CHURCH or Synagogue or Mosque??

CAN YOU ARGUE W/ THAT...

Lord Forgv'em Them...Fore They Do Not Understand.

Posted by: CaseyJonesed | May 31, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize that one had to "resign" from a church. I guess that my secular side doesn't understand this. Is this a political thing? Do politicians have to resign from church just as they do when they fondle little boys and other men?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I am happy for Obama for leaving the church, such as brave move, these words were not coming from Obama, they were coming from his former pastor and twisted by the clinton campaign and the republicans, anything they will do to persecute Obama...but hey the american people wont buy into those dirty tactics which the clintons and the republcians have been using for decades....Obama has never said anything negative about the other campaigns...The clintons and the republicans have joined forces...but judgement day is coming soon and change is coming to america!!!

God bless Obama, the entire world is watching and supporting you, we are depending on you

Posted by: John | May 31, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

We need at least one media outlet to investigate this church and find out why they all seem to be hateful racists.

This is a real news story, yet the Post and the rest of the Obama PR team are uninterested in writing about it.

Why bother investigating the overt racism at the Democratic nominee's church when we can do an untterly random story on racism in Utah, right?

I give the Post credit. They stay on message, decade after decade.

Posted by: Bob | May 31, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh, ye, who have never been caught in a church dilemma before. It is a tough thing even when you are not in the public's eye.

It is particularly hard for Barack to make this decision because of his obvious involvement over the years in this church. Many politicians are only involved in their churches during campaign season.

As we say, the spindle was getting piled high with pieces of paper, each one recording an error in theology, deed, or attitude.

My pastor, who was the best man in my wedding over 30 years ago, was the reason that my wife and I ultimately left our church. It was a sad day, but we had to make that decision.

I am sure that Obama has similar feelings deep inside.

I prefer for a person to make a decision, albeit a difficult and politically uncorrect one. Afterall, this is very much a personal decision, one that does not affect me as an American citizen. Obama has not offended me either way. It is his vision for America and how he will carry forth in that vision that I am most interested in. I assure you that the I-shall-not-change-my-mind approach by Pres. Bush serves no one well. The proof is in Iraq where our troops continue to die, our military is being worn down to nothing, and our view in the world has suffered greatly.

I respect Obama's choice in this matter. He is courageous despite the spin that will be put on it. He is darned if he does and darned if he doesn't. I listen to reading some Christian charity on this blog, regardless of one's position on this issue.

Posted by: Earl C | May 31, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

DAN, YOU GOT IT? AND I WISH AMERICA WOULD TAKE THE MESSAGE TOO.

Does anyone wonder why Rev. Wright came out recently and Fr. Pfleger came out this past Sunday with comments that they had to know would cause Obama problems? If they support Obama, that doesn't make any sense. Could it be that they know something about Obama that we don't?

Posted by: bpower | May 31, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Too bad more politicians don't have the guts to distance themselves from these holy frauds. The trouble is, everyone running for office has to suck up to the nation's religious nuts by posing as one of them.

Posted by: donnolo | May 31, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

LOL! :-D

That which he cannot talk his way out of, get thrown under the Bus!

Bad News Oba-sama-one-Husseini,

Your Bus did NOT make it over that "Whump"!

It was more of a CRASH!

NOW, all the abandoned Parishioners get to "McClellan" "Barry".

Wish I had the ability to write a book about the Obasama's!

Ka-Ching! Ka-Ching! Ka-Ching! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 31, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Another politically expedient move by Obama. Too little, too late and timed for the same day the DNC makes the Florida and Michigan vote count decision.

It's not doing the right thing if you're doing it for the wrong reason.

Posted by: Lynn | May 31, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright said it best ...."the chickens are coming home to roost"....

Posted by: MrRex | May 31, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

LOL! :-D

That which he cannot talk his way out of, get thrown under the Bus!

Bad News Oba-sama-one-Husseini,

Your Bus did NOT make it over that "Whump"!

It was more of a CRASH!

NOW, all the abandoned Parishioners get to "McClellan" "Barry".

Wish I had the ability to write a book about the Obasama's!

Ka-Ching! Ka-Ching! Ka-Ching! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 31, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

>>"We have had 8 years of on the job training with Bush, we can not afford to elect another trainee who has no ideas of his own and can be manipulated."

Funny how the people who always make these sorts of statements are the very ones who followed Bush so eagerly in his biggest mistake, the Iraq war.

There may be a Hillary supporter somewhere who DIDN'T support the invasion of Iraq, but I've never met one, that's for sure.

Posted by: OD | May 31, 2008 8:38 PM

Then it appears that we haven't met.

I am still unsure whether I find more offensive about the clip: (1) the blatant mysogyny of the remarks with his assumption that a US Senator in her second term could have nothing more to commend her to the electorate than her race and her marriage to a former president compared to a first term US Senator, former state legislator and community activist or that any show of emotion from a woman is the equivalent of hysterical sobbing or (2) the enthusiasm with which the congregation greeted the remarks.

I'm pleased that Senator and Mrs. Obama reacted so quickly and decisively to Rev. Pfleger. He is learning the truth of the maxim, "Defend me from my friends; my enemies I can handle." However, I am still concerned. I voted for Senator Clinton in the Pennsylvania primary (yes, I opposed the Iraq war openly well before it began) and would love to see her as the nominee, but, if, as seems almost certain, Senator Obama is nominated, I will support him enthusiastically and vote for him. I believe strongly that supporters of both candidates should remember that winning the nomination is a hollow victory if John McCain wins in November. Sen. McCain's pronouncements make it increasingly clear how much a McCain presidency would be like four to eight more years of Bush including several more US Supreme Court appointments. Both Democratic candidates' supporters need to try to disagree without being disagreeable, realize that having their candidate's opponent win in November will do a lot more toward forwarding their policy goals than letting McCain win, and treat groups supporting their candidate's opponent with respect.

Posted by: Margaret-Harrisburg, PA | May 31, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't know where Obama got his "message of reconciliation" that he loves to trot out but I have my doubts that it was in Trinity Church.

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | May 31, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Why is he leaving now? Nothing is going on in that church today that hasn't been going on for the past TWENTY YEARS! Now that it is costing Obama white votes in the general election he leaves the church. Obama says he is a new and improved politician but his actions say he is no different than Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, etc. His rhetoric is going to ring even more hollow now than before. Obama is nothing more than a far left liberal, manipulator, user of people with racist views and a racist wife that are raising their kids to be just like them. Sure, he is a uniter all right. This guy is, without a doubt, the worst candidate the Democrats could have nominated this election cycle.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 31, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I think that Obama did the only thing that he could. Folks, church is not 'designed' to make life more difficult for us. It is there to bring us closer to God and encourage living better lives and treating each other better in the process. I think that most churches these days fail that order miserably.

Trinity, I am sure, serves its purpose with it's membership, however, on a personal level, it has become all but a place of personal peace for Obama and his family. Father Pfleger is a Catholic, so his chastisement, if any is warranted, must be at the hands of the Diocease or "Rome".

When this election is over and done, there will still be ministers opining over social affairs in inciting fiery oratory, but, when nothing is to be gained by using the words against a political candidate. They will fall upon those of whom they are intended and remain there and there alone. The church membership.

Posted by: Concernedaboutdc | May 31, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Harry T. wrote -

No big deal. Not better late than never, just too little, too late. Nothing has changed. Obama and Michelle will be carrying with them the racial baggage that they learned while sitting in that church for the last 20 years.
--------------------------------------------------------------
How about you just judge them by their own words and actions on that score, instead of by the words and actions of others?

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 31, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama you are a liar sir.

Posted by: Jason | May 31, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Disturbing questions remain. Pfleger and Wright did not begin delivering their anti-American and anti-white sermons/rants only recently. Obama must have been put on notice years ago of what those "men of God" were preaching. Just as Obama did not disown Wright until Wright's public performance at the National Press Club embarassed Obama and showed Wright's lack of respect for the candidate, did Obama cut him away. Had Obama disapproved of the racist antics of these two clergymen, he would have separated himself from Trinity a very long time ago. Obama is interested only in saving his neck from the disaproval of the voters. I strongly suspect that he secretly agrees with their racist opinions.

Posted by: mhr | May 31, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

My last post should have said "This was an act"

Posted by: RealChoices | May 31, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Get it through your heads people! This election is not about churches, race, or even some ridiculous non-issue like flag pins. It's about the economy, the war, and the security of our nation and it's people. Do some research instead of believing everything the press tells you.

Posted by: No More Spin | May 31, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

This wan act of priciple. Most Shillarytes and Republicans like "Wilson" will be critical, of course, because they would criticize anything Obama does.

Posted by: RealChoices | May 31, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Some things are clear. People who really care what any of Obama's preachers say vs. what he has said, what any of his ancestors were rather than what he feels he is, are probably two or three generations removed from those who beat and lynched"uppity Negros". These oafs voted in George Bush twice because 1. they thought he could protect them, 2. they wanted to have a beer with him, and 3. they didn't care if the rich got richer with the tax breaks that meant diddly to them as energy prices rose. McCain may not be as dreadful a President as Bush, but he will veto any taxes raised on the rich, he will put off National health care for another four years while the premiums increase on any private insurance they can afford, and he will try to put in Supreme Court judges who vote against abortion and rights for working Americans. So keep trashing Obama and we can have four more years of catering to the Republican rich, and four more years of being ripped off by halliburton while we make Iraq safe for the Iranians..

Posted by: bob tichell | May 31, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't know where Obama got his "message of reconciliation" that he loves to trot out but I have my doubts that he got it in Trinity Church.

This is the kind of thing Hillary referenced when explaining why she's hanging in there until the convention.

Posted by: georgetowner1 | May 31, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Good move- while the wingnuts and chickenhawks will still wet their diapers up about it, it will be old forgotten news by November.

Obama is the next president. Deal with it, rednecks.

Posted by: LH | May 31, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama is hoping MOST of his supporters are heathens which it seems most are. Obama has been a member of that church for 20 years and NOW the church discusses race in frank terms? Obama you are a liar sir. And your followers are idiots. All this proves is when the going gets tough Obama kicks his peeps under the bus. When the terrorists strike America, AND THEY WILL, Obama is going to revert to his muslim roots.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Separation of church and state, I can't stress it enough. Have we had one pulpit activist that has had a positive effect on either McCain or Obama? Frankly the whole idea of going into a building so some guy can tell you what to do and think with blind faith is rather unsettling even when it doesn't leak into politics, and the people delivering that message are not getting any brighter.

How 'bout everyone just reads their own holy book of choice and decides to think for themselves? Don't invite me to come attend, I've already read several holy books to completion including the bible. Don't tell me what your pastor or priest or whoever thinks about this or that politician. We've already seen what faith-based government looks like and I think we can draw our own conclusions.

Posted by: GrueSchenka | May 31, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton should run as an independent or Clinton supporters should vote for McCain if our choices are between Obama and McCain. Since it is my strong belief that the Democrats will have their filibuster-proof majority and will be able to override every veto that McCain casts.

Posted by: InSearchOfTruth | May 31, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

If Obama was sincere, he would have left that church years ago.

Posted by: Randy | May 31, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Well along with Wright, Pfleger, his Granmother and a mirad of staff members, Obama has now thrown his ENTIRE CHURCH under the bus. I bet the riders on that bus bounced off the ceiling with this one. It only took him 20 YEARS to make this decision. I wonder how long it will take him if he were President to make a good decision? I guess he has the black vote wrapped up now and can leave the church. Obama is more transparent than Tiffany crystal. I wonder what he will do to get away from Tony Rezco next week when he is convicted in Chicago?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 31, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama is hoping MOST of his supporters are heathens which it seems most are. Obama has been a member of that church for 20 years and NOW the church discusses race in frank terms? Obama you are a liar sir. And your followers are idiots. All this proves is when the going gets tough Obama kicks his peeps under the bus. When the terrorists strike America, AND THEY WILL, Obama is going to revert to his muslim roots.

Posted by: Jason | May 31, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

the crowd at Trinity love that talk. They've got some serious issues in that church. What an embarrassment for UCC.

Posted by: alex | May 31, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

At the end of the day Obama is just like any other politician; if you have to wear a flag pin, or change your mind about speaking to dictators or quiting your church, just do what you have to do to win. By the time the election rolls around, Obama will sound and behave just like every pandering politician. Next stop gas tax holiday. Hey, whatever it takes to win.

Posted by: Rick | May 31, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

*Yawn*

Posted by: Mason | May 31, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Any one of us (including Brack AND Hillary) belongs to groups - either formal or informal, religious and otherwise - in which some members speak or behave in manners completely outside of our own beliefs, preferences, or comfort zones. Most of us do not get hammered about it, nor are most of our affiliations scrutinized as political candidates. Regardless who one supports politically in this case, respect is due Barack Obama on two fronts. First, unlike most politicians, he did not feel the need to lie or throw others under the bus by going against his core value to love others for who and what he best knows them to be - even though it would have been politically expedient. Second, this decision to resign was made thinking of the whole church as opposed to just the political liability the church has become to him. The public is truly only learning the most extreme of the church and very little of all the good the church does. I have to wonder when the supposedly sexist media that supposedly beats up on Hillary will report on her love and ongoing connection to particular African American pastors and churches in Arkansas in which long record exists on many controversies. It is time we stop making issues of things that really have nothing to do with governing the US.

Posted by: robertoalberto | May 31, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Since when is telling the truth make you a racist. America has a racial problem still and other world leaders know it and point it out to our leaders. Obama's problem is that he decided hat being President is hiher than trusting God. He believes that he knows whats best for everyone now. He is making a fool of himself before God which I would never chose to do. He chose to leave his church so that he could get a few votes from people who's aim is to use him later to futher their own lust for power. We do not need a leader who turns his back on God everytime someone complains about what his Pastor says that hurts their feelings because they know its true and they practice what he says. If you are mature and it's not your personality then and it's not directed towards you then you houldnt get upset about what is said. The same people who let their children tell them off in a store or at home are complaining about what Dr. Wright said in his sermon, because it is the trut about them.

Posted by: James | May 31, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

So he finally left his Church. Unfortunately, too little too late. The damage has already been done and it will show in November. I suspect Obama would have made an excellent President but we will never know.

Posted by: No McCain | May 31, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama is hoping MOST of his supporters are heathens which it seems most are. Obama has been a member of that church for 20 years and NOW the church discusses race in frank terms? Obama you are a liar sir. And your followers are idiots. All this proves is when the going gets tough Obama kicks his peeps under the bus. When the terrorists strike America, AND THEY WILL, Obama is going to revert to his muslim roots.

Posted by: Jason | May 31, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

HE'S RESIGNED. IM NOT.

Every day, I find the Obama candidacy more and more repugnant. So, now he's resigned from the church that nurtured him, but he didn't know a thing about what it stood for all thoise years. And just a few days ago, he didn't know what concentration camp his kin allegedly helped to liberate. This much I know...when anyone starts pandering to me about the holocaust, he better damn sight have some real meat on his discourse bones. But this potential nominee seems to think he can charm anyone. But he's no snake charmer; instead he's a snake oil salesman. That why he may have suddenly resigned from his church of many years; but I'm still not resigned to the fact that his party will tolerate this empty suit at the top of its ticket.

Posted by: j | May 31, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I am a Clinton supporter but was prepared to support Obama in the probable liklihood that he became the candidate of the Democrats. I was chagrined to hear the christian man of the cloth demeaning and belittling Senator Clinton AND engaging the audience in racist rhetoric.

The most telling thing for me was not the man of the cloth, speaking words of only one man, but the audience participation and pleasure in the racist rhetoric of the priest. If this is an example of the congregants, it is clear that racism reigns supreme.

I believe Obama's background probably enables him to deal appropriately with black liberation theology. I am far less certain about Michelle's thinking. Her background is, as I understand it, pure Chicago. Therefore, I strongly suspect she believes in this theology more than Obama does. I am hopeful that Obama can come to terms with what may be the mind set of his most powerful surrogate, Michelle.

Finally, perhaps it is time for all preachers, priests, ministers, imans, rabbis to withdraw to their congregations and to not engage in political rhetoric. That would seem to be hard in light of the accomplishments of Martin Luther King. However, this is now and not then. If persons of the cloth, whatever ilk, cannot maintain the separation of church and state, perhaps the institutions they represent should lose their tax free status.

Posted by: jaimetre | May 31, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad - I left my church and became a Unitarian because of all the politics and hypocrisy of organized religion

Posted by: whatithink | May 31, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous poster - I think you left your caps lock key on. That or your brain lock key.'
"BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | May 31, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Why not fight to reform your church. It is easier to get the nomination if you disavow your past.

Posted by: Robinhood | May 31, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Yawn....ZZZZzzzz. What time is Cops is coming on?

Posted by: Timmy | May 31, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

So-how do the majority of Obama's supporters feel now that he has resigned from his church? He threw his grandmother under the bus, threw Jeremiah Wright under the bus. Heck, now he's thrown them all under the bus!! He slips in and out of blackness and whiteness when it's convenient, disowns people when it's convenient, plays the race card when it's convenient. We have elected a shape shifter with an identity crisis to run for President. How much lower could we possibly sink as a party?

Posted by: triciaautr | May 31, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

What a fraud this man Obama is. Is he going to dump his racially offensive wife next?

Posted by: rskin | May 31, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Here is a funny thing. Several comments on this board are dated after 8:00 pm yet it is now only about 7:30.

When I posted something a moment ago, it got hidden the middle of the sequence since the 8:00-ish comments were "after" it in the mind of the computer, even though they were in reality posted earlier, and simply have the wrong timestamp.

I believe the washingtonpost.com Comments software still has some bugs to work out.

Posted by: Software Problem with Wapo Timestamps | May 31, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

oh, and did any one notice he has on his flag today? What he won't do for votes. Not from me!!!!

Posted by: jane | May 31, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"How about you just judge them by their own words and actions on that score, instead of by the words and actions of others?

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 31, 2008 8:06 PM "

how about judging obama by THE CHOICES HE MADE, LIKE WRIGHT AND SUCH.
it's not like he as a record to run on.
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Yup but we alreaqdy know it's racialist and bigotted sentiments inform their thinking.

That Michelle is a real piece of work.

Posted by: Tillie | May 31, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

This was a smart decision for both the campaign and the church.

I don't think any church can function under the media microscope and this latest brouhaha showed that graphically to both sides. The history is that this has been a respected church that has done and is doing very good things in the community requiring a huge amount of effort. But the public portrait has been nothing but the warts. I hope Trinity can now go back to its appropriate semi-obscurity and proceed in peace to benefit those who attend it or are served by it (perhaps reflecting a little along the way about the appropriateness of racial rhetoric in the 21st century). I don't want to know another thing about this church anymore than I do any other church I don't belong to.

As for Obama, he and his family couldn't have gone back there as normal parishioners after all that has been said and done, and in the meantime his campaign was being held accountable for every word spoken there, so what was the church membership accomplishing any more? I just feel bad for the daughters and hope they find a new Sunday School soon.

And, btw, anyone who thinks that every sermon at this church was filled with hate and craziness has it confused with Reverend Hagee's church and the like. What we've seen are the worst brief excesses out of a huge record of far more benign, positive statements that are getting no publicity. Not one of which are as bad as praising Hitler for the Holocaust, like Reverend Hagee.

Good decision, Mr. and Mrs. Obama.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | May 31, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Sad that he had to do that. He doesn't set the agenda of speakers at his church and it is now under the microscope. We are all lucky we don't have someone recording all the actions of everyone we know and associate with to find fault - and then blame us for their actions or statements! Obama should be judged by his own actions, not by the statements of others.

Posted by: Chuck | May 31, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I wish he would have done this from last year. He could have save Rev.Wright, Rev.Pfleger, Rev. Moss and the TUCC congregation a lot of heartache. From death threats to the need for security, the TUCC church has been underlockdown. The 36 years that Wright dedicated to uplifting the disenfranchised has been destroyed all to fulfill the political agenda of the mainstream media and their conspirators.

This country has been doing this to black organizations and leaders for decades, centuries. I am 21 years old and in my lifetime, it had to happen again. Not a voice of objection, it happened easily and freely. I guess we still have COINTELPRO...hmmm.

People in this country are so ignorant to the history and context of black political thought and black church traditions. We have white people in the media debating back and forth with ineffective and equally dumb black pundits discussing something that they know little about. This is HEGEMONY and CAPITALISM at its best. The media's job is to sell propaganda and control the minds of the American people!!

We can now proceed with our "post-racial" society now that the truth has been swept under a rug and all the dissenters....silenced.

Posted by: RhondaCoca | May 31, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Rather than trash the Obama's this presents an opportunity to praise Oprah for reaching the same decision years ago because the church didn't represent her moral character and not because of any outside influence or pressure.

Posted by: Jake | May 31, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

his daughters and hsi wife have already been indoctrinated. he decides to quit now just beccause it may affect his votes. this guy's got reall backbone.

Posted by: slimmer willie | May 31, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama has disowned his Pastor, Priest, church, after their racist views were made public yet he still has 20 years of history with these same folks. Obama's soul was nurtured by these people and dumbing them in public will not change his beliefs. What happens to Michelle when she keeps making dumb statements?

Posted by: tdl62 | May 31, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Twenty years with this hate-filled rhetoric and now Sen. Obama resigns? Twenty years of association with Rev. Wright and Rev. Pfleger states volumes about Sen. Obama's attitudes.

As a white who has been extremely active in affirmative action initiatives, the Rev. Wright videos followed by Rev. Pfleger's toxic comments deeply concerns me. There's no way that I could argue that my efforts have (in any way) approached the efforts of the Clinton's to "level the playing field". My concern now is--am I too held in low regard by Sen. Obama's colleagues because I'm white? This truly concerns me as I look at options in this election year.

Posted by: Wilson | May 31, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

No big deal. Not better late than never, just too little, too late. Nothing has changed. Obama and Michelle will be carrying with them the racial baggage that they learned while sitting in that church for the last 20 years.

Posted by: HarryT. | May 31, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

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