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Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill.) waves to supporters with his wife Michelle and their daughters Malia (2nd L) and Sasha at the Oregon and Kentucky primary election night rally in Des Moines, Iowa, May 20, 2008. (Reuters)

By Chris Cillizza
Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) has won the Oregon primary hours after Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) claimed an easy victory in Kentucky's Democratic presidential primary, a split result likely to keep Obama in the driver's seat in the waning weeks of the battle for the nomination.

Less than 15 minutes after polls closed in Oregon at 11 p.m. Eastern time, all three major television networks as well as the Associated Press had called the contest for Obama. In Kentucky, Clinton trounced Obama, 65 percent to 30 percent, with all precincts reporting.

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The primary is over and the Obama people start saying, "ah gee, come on, it was just the primary, we didn't really mean that you people for clinton were stupid,rednecks,scum, morons...

Posted by: ZarDotz | May 22, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH HOW THEIR STATE REPS' AKA DELEGATES VOTE -- GET RID OF THEM IN THE NEXT ELECTION!

WE DO HAVE A CHOICE!

Posted by: Grandma Dee | May 22, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

HAS ANYONE ANALYZED HOW THE REPUBLICAN STATES ARE VOTING HILLARY
AT RUSH'S REQUEST ETC.
TO MESS WITH OBAMA. AND HOW MANY CROSS OVER VOTES ARE DOING EXACTLY THAT?

WASNT THIS A BIG FACTOR IN PA.
AND KENTUCKY?

WASNT OBAMA TAKING ALL THE RED STATES BEFORE MCCAIN
WON HIS PARTY.?

Posted by: MACDOODLE | May 22, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi just came out and said that sexism is not an issue for Hillary Clinton in this presidential nomination process:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbzT2YqhGT4

Posted by: Pelosi's Proof | May 22, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Grumpy male democrat from West VA, please get over yourself.

Posted by: warlock | May 21, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

BARRACK HUSSEIN OSAMA BIN LADEN

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama will be the next prez

Lieberman is an AIPAC sucker

Posted by: Wilky | May 21, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

My favorite O'Bama saying:

"I LOVE YOU BACK"

yes America we can ... if we try ... it's a new world and we will be safe without fear.

There is no fear in love.

Posted by: One Love | May 21, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

There are 3 liberals running from both parties - and Barack O'Bama is the more conservative of them all!!

Posted by: JakeA | May 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I like to follow the news, and I sometimes like to read the posted comments following these articles. But I must tell you, people, if the above comments are anything near representative of the electorate as a whole, we're in SERIOUS trouble. Why? Because, with painfully few exceptions, most authors above appear to be foul-mouthed, shallow-thinking, rabidly-partisan morons who can neither see the big picture (namely, the aching need for a Democratic win in November, whoever the Democratic nominee is) nor have the slightest ability to articulate any well-conceived thought requiring any polysyllabic words.

Can't understand this post? Don't like my earned-doctorate condescension? Well, then, at least be smart enough to shut up. If it's your plan to vote for McCain/Bush3 if your preferred Dem candidate doesn't win the nomination, better for you to just stay home and finish your coloring book. Gee, maybe Dubya will lend you one of his . . .

Posted by: old white male democrat in W.Va. | May 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives will rather have the Republican lose int general election than to have John McCain in the White House. He is sure to disappoint ... he hopes to slip by on his war record ... but his maverick voting record will be the problem. He is Hillary in a real suit ... and the conservative like James Dobson and other will find it hard to stomach him. He will appease them now - then BIG SURPRISE - his temper will take over - as he tells them all where to go!!

Posted by: Hubba Hubba | May 21, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Newsflash: The GOP will scream "liberal" at Obama...in sports, JakeD's golf game makes no impact on professional sports...and in weather, the sky is still up.

Posted by: Be the ball, JakeD... | May 21, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

JakeD


Is National Journal your bible?


Do you think we can or ought to believe everything printed by NJ?

Posted by: JakeA | May 21, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

im a college student, my professor told me to vote for obama, so i did. we also were told that classes would be canelled, so we could attend an obama rally.

it's so nice that i can finally think for myself these days....

Posted by: zombie
************************
zombies are...I mean...were people, too. Good for you! Now go eat McCain's brains, 'kay?

Posted by: sarcasm is what Hillaryland has left... | May 21, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I think Barak should go on a holiday to Puerto Rico with his family and the O'Bama girl(s) - and kick back on the beach for a while.

Why should Puerto Rico be part of the total popular vote in the primaries when their vote does not count in the general election?

Posted by: Hubba Hubba | May 21, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

And the winner is Hillary Clinton and that is if you are counting real estate BIG STATES ... How many new standards must we have for winning?

It is funny hearing how Hilliary will beat John McCain in SWING STATES ... What about all those so called RED STATES that O'Bama is racking up?

Posted by: JakeA | May 21, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

im a college student, my professor told me to vote for obama, so i did. we also were told that classes would be canelled, so we could attend an obama rally.

it's so nice that i can finally think for myself these days....

Posted by: zombie | May 21, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to tell Lawrence that a majority of the US Electorate is over 45, you know....

"Ever researched the Boomers and Seniors, and just how many of them there are?"

Dude, get a clue would you!

Posted by: Abr | May 21, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

psychologically, there will be the effect of 3 million voters in puerto rico voting 70-30 for hillary. she could win by as many as one million votes....wow! hope the media jumps all over that one))))

Posted by: mary | May 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Is the rumor really true, that Mr. Dean was joking around with Obama, telling him how much easier this whole scenario would be if he were a black woman?

Posted by: JenniferUSA | May 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

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5-21

NEWS FLASH!

HOWARD DEAN ANNOUNCES THE NOMINATION OF AMANDA JEFFERSON, A SENATOR FROM DELEWARE, AS THE PARTY'S CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION THIS FALL!

In a dimly lit back room, Mr. Dean is seen having his cake, and nearly choking on it too!

an
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Posted by: anton | May 21, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

(Speaking of "looking for new talent"):

"It's a home run of a data point for anyone who thinks the press is in the tank for Obama. Ambinder reports:

'Linda Douglass, an award-winning television and print journalist who currently serves as a contributing editor to National Journal, will join Barack Obama's presidential campaign as a senior strategist and as a senior campaign spokesperson on the roadshow, a newly created position.'

The Clinton campaign -- and Fox News -- is going to have a field day with this.

But one of the best arrows in the Republican quiver has been National Journal's rating of Obama as the most liberal senator -- the Obama campaign has tried, somewhat unsuccessfully, to bat down that moniker by explaining why the measurement was flawed. Now, they'll have someone from National Journal to make the case.

Douglass interviewed Obama Campaign Manager Plouffe for National Journal On-Air in late April after the Pennsylvania primary."

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Oregon is actually a great proxy for the rest of the country. Marketers use it as a test market because the demographics match up to the rest of the country. Outside of Portland, it is actually not that far left-leaning.

Hillary is strong in white south states - but that doesnt mean she has a lock on white voters. Lots of whites will vote for the best candidate, regardless of race or sex.

These divisions of race and gender are not the true fault-line of this campaign. The real division is young versus old. The older voters dont really want change, because it doesnt benefit them. The true "me-generation" are the old people, who dont seem to care about their grandchildren. Young voters will turn out in droves and tell the old politicians to get lost.

Posted by: lawrence | May 21, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Most of America looks nothing like Or.!

You are right, Sherri: It is much more diverse.

Posted by: panic at the Clinton disco | May 21, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Just because the most liberal state votes BO doesn't mean the majority of America will. Most of America looks nothing like Or.! Obama's record was given to him by E. Jones for the purpose of running for president. He is the exact version of Bush just a liberal nut instead of a right wing nut. At least McCain and Hillary are somewhat to the center which is why their parties radicals don't want them! Guess what....the people do! It's a fact (just because you don't count the people in Fla/Mich doesn't mean they didn't vote) Hillary has the POPULAR vote!

Posted by: Sherri | May 21, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

And my point is that she will concede after June 3 for a number reasons, money, May 31 rules committee results(which will not help her in the way she hopes), superdelegate march towards Obama, and her legacy.

And you should concern yourself with propping up McSame and stop worrying about a party you have no interest in participating in.

Posted by: the SHTFUP show is looking for new talent, JakeD | May 21, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Run, Ron, Run:

Yes, it is true that Ron Paul has an impressive 30 delegates (compared to 1,500 for McCain when he only needs 1,191 to win). Congrats. But, why should he have any more "formal role" at the GOP Convention than, say, Mike Huckabee (with 275 delegates) or Mitt Romney (with 255 delegates)? What part of "presumptive nominee" don't you understand?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

..."Anyone who still believes FOX news is a dope..."

Anyone who still believes MSNBC, NBC, CBS, CNN is a Bigger Dope.

Posted by: elme | May 21, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Another Obama/MEDIA BIG LIE: "Obama gets his money from ... "we the little people"
He doesn't take money from PACS or Registered Federal Lobbyists.

IF he gets his money from ... we the little people ...& he's been getting 3x & 5x more campaign contributions than Clinton --how come he's NOT getting 2x, 3x, 5x more VOTES than Clinton from...we the little people?

Doesn't take money from PACs? Doesn't need to -he's got HIS OWN PAC. The military industrial complex, the oil companies, the insurance industry, the drug companies,... etc. already put their money into HIS PAC before he started running for President.

NEXT, his PAC gave "campaign contributions" to a whole lot of his fellow Senators & Representatives /SUPERDELEGATES.

i.e. Obama was bought & paid for by the
BIG MONEY corporations before he started running, and, a lot of his SELL_OUT SUPERDELEGATE/Congresspeople Supporters were ALSO BOUGHT & PAID FOR before he started running.

Nope, Obama doesn't take money from REGISTERED FEDERAL Lobbyists; he takes money from ... their law partners, wives, husbands, cousins, employees ...and, from STATE Lobbyists.

Posted by: elme | May 21, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Gorgeous sunny days don't happen often in Portland, folks. This is the corporate home of Nike, Columbia, REI --- land of hiking/biking/running/crewing & anything else active.
Spend my free day standing and waiting along with 75,000+ other people to hear........ a good band? Nope.
OBAMA? Yes.

Posted by: BillyinPortland | May 21, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I fully agree with Mr. Todd that the "magic number" will be somewhere between 2,026 (or 2,025 if Ted Kennedy dies) and 2,210. The current delegate count fluctuates via news outlet as well. That has never been in dispute though. It still doesn't seem like either candidate will hit that magic number, whatever it is, so my point remains: it's not "over" BEFORE THE CONVENTION VOTE unless Hillary concedes.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

In the Fix's loser category:

Republican Convention Planners: Rep. Ron Paul (Tex.) continues to win credible amounts of the vote in all-but-ignored Republican presidential primaries, bolstering his case for some sort of formal role at the party's national convention in the fall. Paul took 7 percent of the vote in Kentucky and 15 percent in Oregon last night -- more fodder for his rabid supporters to point to when the party establishment tries to push the good doctor aside in early September in Minneapolis. For all the talk of problems at the Democratic National Convention between supporters of Clinton and Obama, it could be the Paul backers who make the most noise -- literally and figuratively -- when convention time rolls around.

Posted by: Run, Ron,Run!!! | May 21, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Reality Check from people not talking out of their golf playing madras a$$es:

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro

*** The magic numbers: With just 86 pledged delegates up for grabs in Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota, and 212 remaining undeclared superdelegates, Obama just needs about 20-25 superdelegate endorsements to hit the magic 2,026 number to claim the Democratic nomination, assuming he just splits the remaining 86 in half. But it's quite likely that the magic number is going to change, because it appears that the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee has every intention of coming up with some sort of Florida/Michigan compromise.

The one number we know it won't be is 2,210 -- the number the Clinton campaign keeps using, because there seems to be little appetite among DNC types (still angry at the calendar mess those two states created) from seating the delegations in full. That means some sort of cut. The most likely magic numbers would be 2,131 or 2,118, which would cut the two delegations in half, either keeping the supers fully in tact (the former number) or cutting them in half, too (the latter). And so if you have those new magic numbers, then Obama needs approximately 50 new superdelegate endorsements to take enough delegates off the table that there is no mathematical possibility for Clinton to secure enough delegates to win the nomination without somehow convincing Obama pledged delegates and/or supers to switch.

Posted by: Obama '08 | May 21, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

P.P.S. -- you guys shouldn't assume that if the shoe was on Hillary's foot (she was in the lead in delegates, number of States, etc. and he had the total popular vote), that I wouldn't be making the same, exact points on his behalf -- as I've stated, repeatedly, I wouldn't vote for her in a million years.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

P.S. -- since NEITHER candidate will get 2,026 (or 2,210 if Florida and Michigan are counted) in total delegates, it's not "over" unless Hillary concedes.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - someone of your intellectual capabilities should be running a small to medium sized company instead of blogging from your mom's basement.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's the list of California's "Credentials Committee" members:

http://www.cadem.org/site/c.jrLZK2PyHmF/b.2687575/k.7095/Credentials_Committee.htm

Lara Larramendi of Monrovia, Co-Lead Chair
Michael Wagaman of Sacramento, Co-Lead Chair
Mike Anderson of Roseville, Co-Chair
Lois Jean Hill of Los Angeles, Co-Chair
Andrew Lachman of Los Angeles, Co-Chair
Lucy W. Sells of Berkeley, Co-Chair
Keith Umemoto of Sacramento, Co-Chair

Farouk A Al-Nasser of Poway, Member
Anthony Armendarez of Norwalk, Member
Margaret L. Carlson of El Cajon, Member
Merle D. Davis of Los Angeles, Member
Dan Downey of Turlock, Member
Lorraine (Lori) Geittmann of Redondo Beach, Member
Tony L. Hale of Redondo Beach, Member
Raymond G. Hennemann of Redding, Member
Mary Y. Jung of San Francisco, Member
Kess Kessler of Woodland Hills, Member
Dotty LeMieux of Fairfax, Member
Susan Lerner of Los Angeles, Member
Jay R. Levenberg of Palm Desert, Member
Katherine Maestas of Elk Grove, Member
Michael Paine of Marysville, Member
John Putko of Apple Valley, Member
Rosa M. Russell of Los Angeles, Member
Yvette Stevenson-Rodriguez of Whittier, Member
Cecilia Valdez of San Pablo, Member
Judith K. Walters, JD of Spring Valley, Member
Burky H. Worel of Vallejo, Member

I really don't think it is unreasonable to ask the person claiming "the majority of the supers left are supers who are waiting for the states to vote" to provide his/her information so that allegation can be double-checked.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

And I own Harvard, grounds and all...BFD.

You know, someone with such an elevated pedigree should be able to figure out it is all over but the shouting. Start sending money to McCain. m'kay?

Posted by: Little JakeD had the highest IQ of all the babies in the nursery | May 21, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

(As I've posted previously):

http://www.demconvention.com/assets/mainassets/standingcommittees.pdf

The Chairs and 25 Party Leader and Elected Official (PLEO) members of the three Convention Standing Committees: Credentials, Platform and Rules -- each committee has a total of 186 members -- an additional 161 members elected by each of the states' and territories' Convention delegations will join Governor Dean's appointments to the committees later this spring.

For instance, the Credentials Committee Chairs are Alexis Herman, James Roosevelt, Jr. and Eliseo Roques-Arroyo -- as far as I am aware, none of them have announced for Obama -- does anyone else want to discuss specific names?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

LOL -- I have "lists" of Super Delegates AND "lists" of Committee members -- but, I am always open to learning new things. That's why I asked the question (and why I graduated at the top of my class ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

JakeD....I am surprised as much time that you spend on the internet, you should have known that the superdelegates list is available on every blogger's webpage...cnn, msnbc, washingpost, nytimes, huffingtonpost....they actually list the uncomitted superdelegates, their states, etc....surf the net and get a Real copy and you'll learn what the rest of informed voters, politicians, news pundits, have already known for quite some time, Hillary has NO chance (like a snowball chance in he**) of winning the nomination! LMAO

Posted by: The MATH ain't there! | May 21, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"some phony golf-playing "retired" populist lends his tone-deaf analysis to a situation he knows nothing about"

but, but, JakeD graduated at the top of his class at Stanford Law, don't you know?

Posted by: but, but | May 21, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Nice Try:

Do you have any names of said Super Delegates? I'm not just talking about DNC employees. Super Delegates on the Rules and Credentials Committees, for instance, should at least try to maintain the appearance of impartiality. As I've said, I don't expect more than a handful of Super Delegates to go to Obama per day.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Sherri....."buyer's remorese"....you wish your a** that was true!!

Actually OREGON has proved all of these assumptions dead a** wrong..He is even with Hillary on women voters (white), his percentage of white men voters were higher, his voters with white blue collar workers were the same as Hillary....What was ACTUALLY noted (nice try!) There are certain pockets of the U.S. that won't vote for a black candidate and that is some of those redneck states that HIllary has won....what's even more interesting, those states are RED states and democrates don't usually win them...Al Gore didn't win them and neither did John Kerry (hahahaha) so all of these lies that are being spewed out are not truths...they're spins...That's why I iam so happy that we Obama supporters are smart and we are WELL informed...so that when evilenes, like you Sillary suppoerters spew out lies and jealous defeat....we are too informed to buy in to that nonsense!! Stay informed the next time....makes you a better debater!

Posted by: Liar! | May 21, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Buyer's remorse?

I just sent my economic stimulus check to Obama's campaign.

Obama'08

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

As expected, Obama in Oregon, won the latte-sipping liberals in the major cities and surrounding counties and lost most of the rest of the state. All of those caucus victories in the early elections have put him in the lead, but what good does he do by winning delegates in traditionally Red States? Other than Colorado and Iowa, which Red States does Obama have a realistic chance of winning vs. McCain?

Posted by: JakeD
**************************
as expected, some phony golf-playing "retired" populist lends his tone-deaf analysis to a situation he knows nothing about to prop up the fortunes of a candidate hemmoraging lobbyists/campaign advisors, repeating like a demented magpie the same simple minded talking points of a president with a 27% approval rating, and lagging behind in money and still not getting the entire base behind him. Perhaps a fiction novel in your future, sir?

Posted by: Wanted: John McCain trolls | May 21, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

JakeD......"Actually, the majority of the Super Delegates left are DNC members like Howard Dean who are "supposed" to stay neutral. We'll see how that plays out too ..."

That's not particulary true...per CNN And MSNBC Reporting this am and the current superdelegates' list which list all uncommitted delegates...."in addition to the DNC members, the majority of uncomitted delegates that are left are those that represents the few states (no PR) that still have to vote and some are from those states that Hillary has actually won....." Again, this is interesting given the fact that she won the state why aren't the supers from those states going to her and everyday Obama is racking up about 4-5 supers per day on average? Hmmm.....nice try, though!

This is why supporters must stay informed otherwise you spinned by the opponents supporters.

Posted by: Nice Try | May 21, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

...and Hillary slaughters BO in KY! Guess you can ignore that fact but the American people aren't! Face it obamabots, there is ALOT of buyers remorse out there! He is in no way the stronger candidate and you are the ones in denial now!

Posted by: Sherri | May 21, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the majority of the Super Delegates left are DNC members like Howard Dean who are "supposed" to stay neutral. We'll see how that plays out too ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Obama WILL get the Nomination...that's why hardly NO superdelegates are making their way to Sillary....However, since WV, Obama has gotten 19 supers and endorsements from Edwards, Byrd and many others....I don't see that over at the Clintons Camp. Which tells me that the supers are waiting to rap this thing up. But the majority of the supers left are supers who are waiting for the states to vote (See CNN). The others are supers where Hillary won their state..and they are trying to give her dumb, greedy, cunning, polarizing, a** the benefit of the doubt and wait until all the states vote. Isn't it interesting though, that although she won their states, they still have trickled over to her..Hmmmmmm.....and it ain't many supers available. What's funny is that the superdelegates will NEVER piss off the party and snatch the nomination from a black guy who worked hard for it, played by all of the SET rules, and just because some polarizing, hateful, cu** who wants to be crowned Queen of the USA is going to snatch it from him. Sillary reminds me of the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz....she was so jealous of Dorothy that she wanted to kill the poor young woman! Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Posted by: Ain't No Stopping us NOW | May 21, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Obama WILL get the Nomination...that's why hardly NO superdelegates are making their way to Sillary....However, since WV, Obama has gotten 19 supers and endorsements from Edwards, Byrd and many others....I don't see that over at the Clintons Camp. Which tells me that the supers are waiting to rap this thing up. But the majority of the supers left are supers who are waiting for the states to vote (See CNN). The others are supers where Hillary won their state..and they are trying to give her dumb, greedy, cunning, polarizing, a** the benefit of the doubt and wait until all the states vote. Isn't it interesting though, that although she won their states, they still have trickled over to her..Hmmmmmm.....and it ain't many supers available. What's funny is that the superdelegates will NEVER piss off the party and snatch the nomination from a black guy who worked hard for it, played by all of the SET rules, and just because some polarizing, hateful, cu** who wants to be crowned Queen of the USA is going to snatch it from him. Sillary reminds me of the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz....she was so jealous of Dorothy that she wanted to kill the poor young woman! Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Posted by: Ain't No Stopping us NOW | May 21, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

She didn't cost him the nomination or general election. He did that to himself. It seems, to me at least, like buyer's remorse regarding Barack HUSSEIN Obama is setting in.

Oregon: Obama wins 21 delegates; Clinton wins 14 delegates.

Kentucky: Obama wins 14 delegates; Clinton wins 37delegates.

So, in month since Rev. Wright and the "bitter" comment, she has won 242 delegates to his 217.

As expected, Obama in Oregon, won the latte-sipping liberals in the major cities and surrounding counties and lost most of the rest of the state. All of those caucus victories in the early elections have put him in the lead, but what good does he do by winning delegates in traditionally Red States? Other than Colorado and Iowa, which Red States does Obama have a realistic chance of winning vs. McCain?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I could care less about your complex arithmetic. Obama has the delegates. If you keep moving the goal posts, of course you can make the math say anything you want it to.

Your popular vote includes a state where obama was not on the ticket.

your popular vote totals include a state where he never campaigned and she held three massive fundraisers the week of the primary.

Your popular vote totals assume that caucus votes were extremely small - whereas I can assure you quarter of a million people voted in my caucus and went overwhelmingly Obama.

Your popular vote totals, clearly, make a lot of assumptions and frankly, don't matter.

You see, Obama is the better candidate and campaigner because from the start, he knew it was about delegats, so he worked his butt off to get those and never stopped working for delegates.
Obama is the better candidate and campaigner because he focused on one message, stuck to his guns and sold it.
Obama is the better candidate and campaigner because he ignites people to work for him, to try to do something even if they know that rich SOBs still hold all the strings. Hillary, is one of those rich SOBs.

So, I'm sorry if I really don't care what color the voters were, or if you're also a complete stranger to sarcasm. When you take any metric that would have been applied to this race before Hillary's artithmagicians went to work massaging and cajoling some sort or positive spin on her complete nose dive, can you honestly say you think she's the better candidate?

Well, I know we'll never convince the real jake d. His perverse attempt to hate monger and then cover it up with middle name capitalization sickens me and convinces me he's beyond any hope. You and Sean Hannity would make a great team.

Posted by: Nemotoad | May 21, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Stay tuned people....and lets all watch the flow of superdelegates flowing towards Obama....the flow will be more than usual....the Clinton crew can spin this until they spin out of control...but it doesn't take a f'ng rocket scientist or the most stupid supporter to recognize that Obama will get the nomination.....Star War's looking James Carville again, admitted on CNN this morning that "Obama will more than likely be the nominee"....Hillary is just trying to make things worse for the Democratic Party by selfishly sticking around and hoping that Obama either gets assasinated or some other drama comes out...Hillary is campaigning for 2012 which she will be another Ted Kennedy (although I really like Teddy)...Hillary won't ever get to be President because 1/2 of the Democratic Party doesn't like her, Independents don't like her and the only reason she has gotten the Republican support that she has gotten is to inject "chaos" into the Democratic Nomination....Her legacy will be that she tried to destroy the nomination and the Democrats chance for Presidency and nomination for her own selfish desires....Most New Yorkers don't like her and from what I have been hearing from family in NY...if she causes Obama the Nomination or the general election....this will also determine her failures in her own political future...so out of her greed, she may want to be a little bit careful...the whole world is watching Mrs. Clinton and they have spoken on her selfish greed.

Posted by: The Revlolution Wont be Televised | May 21, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Stay tuned people....and lets all watch the flow of superdelegates flowing towards Obama....the flow will be more than usual....the Clinton crew can spin this until they spin out of control...but it doesn't take a f'ng rocket scientist or the most stupid supporter to recognize that Obama will get the nomination.....Star War's looking James Carville again, admitted on CNN this morning that "Obama will more than likely be the nominee"....Hillary is just trying to make things worse for the Democratic Party by selfishly sticking around and hoping that Obama either gets assasinated or some other drama comes out...Hillary is campaigning for 2012 which she will be another Ted Kennedy (although I really like Teddy)...Hillary won't ever get to be President because 1/2 of the Democratic Party doesn't like her, Independents don't like her and the only reason she has gotten the Republican support that she has gotten is to inject "chaos" into the Democratic Nomination....Her legacy will be that she tried to destroy the nomination and the Democrats chance for Presidency and nomination for her own selfish desires....Most New Yorkers don't like her and from what I have been hearing from family in NY...if she causes Obama the Nomination or the general election....this will also determine her failures in her own political future...so out of her greed, she may want to be a little bit careful...the whole world is watching Mrs. Clinton and they have spoken on her selfish greed.

Posted by: The Revlolution Wont be Televised | May 21, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

jakeHUSSEINd:

Thank you for answering the question -- you will note that I will not level personal attacks against you -- I certainly hope you are right that Hillary DIANE Clinton cannot win the general election. It would be a disaster to have them back in the White House.

BTW: I've capitalized her middle name since at least January, and the reason I do it is to teach little-known facts. Why do you post?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Because its about strategy Jake IHATEMUSLIMNAMESANDTHINKENOUGHPEOPLEARE-
STUPIDENOUGHTOFALLFORTHIS-
RUSHIESTOFRUSHLIMBAUGHSTYLETACTICS-
OFHATEMONGERING D. Hillary has lost. Her campaign is a trainwreck. She is broke, she changes messages more than I change underwear, she wins only where pandering and race baiting have proven to work. Where is the teary-eyed New Hampshire woman? People, hard working people, even (gasp!) hard working blood traitor white people believe Obama is about something more. Maybe we're all idiots and you're the smartest man alive (who just can't resist capitalizing a funny sounding middle name - why the heck do you do that anyway? It fills me with disgust and many others I'm sure feel the same way. I noticed you RECENTLY started capitalizing hillary's middle name too. Like that's some clever cover up that you aren't a bigot. Its not.)But I'll tell you one thing.

Hillary can never win a general election. She is a traitor, a panderer, a liar and I would rather write in Obama than vote for her.

I know WAY too many independents and republicans - who have not been polled ever in their lives BTW - who are planning to vote Obama. But they all despise the House of Clinton. Maybe all the "hard working whites" will support her over a black man, but they're only slightly more racist than they are misogynist. They'll flood to McCain along with all the independents and fed-up RNCers that like Obama.

Grow HUSSEIN up.

Posted by: jakeHUSSEINd | May 21, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I am not a perv. I'm just saying - don't knock it until you try it.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

If anyone, other than Playa, has a question as to which posts are fake JakeD's, please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

It's was obvious that JakeD was a perv. Now he's claiming it. Bwahahahahaha!

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I joined NAMBLA for the value-added benefits of membership.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I love poopy butt love

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Yes, "obviously".

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I am off my meds. I apologize for my erratic behavior.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Obviously, people who are more educated support Obama.

Another way of saying that is that people who are more informed support Obama.

Another way of saying that is that people who are easily distracted by political nuance and rhetoric support Hillary Clinton.

Another way of saying that is that people who may not be able to cognitively organize and prioritize what may impact their lives in more negative ways tend to favor Hillary Clinton.

Another way to say that is stupid people like Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

As soon as you pick a name and link to the story in question, I would be happy to discuss.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse


How do you explain the band story that is not just inaccurate but a complete lie?

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FOX News reported that Sen. Kennedy is being released from the hospital -- is that not true?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 10:57 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 11:07 AM:

If and when that happens, and if Florida and Michigan are resolved, then Barack HUSSEIN Obama will be the presuptive nominee.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse


How do you explain the band story that is not just inaccurate but a complete lie?

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FOX News reported that Sen. Kennedy is being released from the hospital -- is that not true?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 10:57 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse


The remaining SD will put him over


Look, Obamaniacs, the last three primaries do not even have enough "regular" delegates left for him to pass 2,026. The next one is Puerto Rico on June 1st (55 delegates). Hillary will probably win that one. Then Montana (16 delegates) and South Dakota (15 delegates) on June 3rd. Unless he won ALL of these "regular" delegates, there's no way to get to 2,026 (or 2,209 if Florida and Michigan are counted), without the Super Delegates. This could still go all the way to the Convention floor. We'll have to wait and see what happens before then.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:03 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Look, Obamaniacs, the last three primaries do not even have enough "regular" delegates left for him to pass 2,026. The next one is Puerto Rico on June 1st (55 delegates). Hillary will probably win that one. Then Montana (16 delegates) and South Dakota (15 delegates) on June 3rd. Unless he won ALL of these "regular" delegates, there's no way to get to 2,026 (or 2,209 if Florida and Michigan are counted), without the Super Delegates. This could still go all the way to the Convention floor. We'll have to wait and see what happens before then.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

It depends on if they have something to gain by slanting the story.

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FOX News reported that Sen. Kennedy is being released from the hospital -- is that not true?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 10:57 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

FOX News reported that Sen. Kennedy is being released from the hospital -- is that not true?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Earth to Shrillary...if one can't be president without white working class votes, maybe Jethro from beverly hillbillies should be our president. Bwahahahahaha!

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who still believes FOX news is a dope.

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Playa:

No, thanks. Only liberals threaten to move (and then, unfortunately, don't ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Are you F'n kidding, that is not even close to true. That nothing band who wanted to preform for nothing to get a chance to be in front of a crowed like that had just come from a gig in a place that had a capacity of 588 and it was half filled. NO ONE KNEW THEY WOULD EVEN BE THER OR COULD HAVE CARED LESS. Are you a complete idiot to even begin to believe something as stupid as that. I would suspect nobody in that crowed even had a clue as to who they were.

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A FOX cable news item reported in the early am hours last night:

The major news media reported that Obama spoke to huge crowd of 75,000 in Oregon. All of them neglected to report that a hugely popular local band gave a free concert as the opening act just before Obama's speech - you think that might have had something to do with that "rockstar" size crowd?

Yep & TYPICAL of the MEDIA PROPAGANDA that has blown up the FAKE Obama candidate balloon ... scheduled to be punctured & plummet to the ground ... right After he gets the nomination.

Posted by: elme | May 21, 2008 8:33 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Are you F'n kidding, that is not even close to true. That nothing band who wanted to preform for nothing to get a chance to be in front of a crowed like that had just come from a gig in a place that had a capacity of 588 and it was half filled. NO ONE KNEW THEY WOULD EVEN BE THER OR COULD HAVE CARED LESS. Are you a complete idiot to even begin to believe something as stupid as that. I would suspect nobody in that crowed even had a clue as to who they were.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Elme and JakeD.

Barak HUSSEIN Obama is gonna be the next U.S. president. I suggest you leave the country when he wins.

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

P.S. to Nemotoad:

My figures, below, include all votes (regardless of race).

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Sarcasm is clearly beyond some.

Justcalledme: Facetious equals NOT facist.


Steve Boyington: I thought your post was quite funny.

Posted by: Nemotoad | May 21, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to Barack HUSSEIN Obama for winning Oregon by 94,668 votes. However, Hillary DIANE Clinton won Kentucky by 249,224 votes. That means she retains the lead in TOTAL POPULAR VOTES. If Florida and Michigan are counted, she has a lead of 181,523 actual votes cast and certified. Even if you make an educated "estimate" the 4 caucus States w/o certified totals (IA, NV, ME, WA), she still has a lead of 71,301.

In addition, all the Electoral College polling shows her beating McCain while McCain beats Obama head-to-head:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May21.html

So why, exactly, should she get out before the Convention floor vote?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Steve Boyington is absolutely right. How long will it take before we realize only the votes of those of white, working - that is hard working whites - matter. If you didn't count the lazy black voters, or the white voters who don't work hard; even black voters who work hard; if you saw a college education for what it is - an elitist tool to get ahead in life at the expense of white people who actually work hard, very hard; if you counted all the votes in states where Obama wasn't on the ballot; and if you realized that only white, hard working white people, really matter - then Clinton really is the better candidate.
It's just those lazy blacks, elitist educated folk, and states he actually campaigns in that Obama is capable of winning! Its so clear now!

Yes, I am a lazy black man who works hard, I'm white, educated and live in a state Obama campaigned in. Clinton is totally right, I SHOULDN'T matter!

Posted by: Nemotoad | May 21, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

HILLARY IS FAR FROM SUPERIOR STEVE BOYINGTON. HOLDING BACK BLACK VOTES LIKE IN THE 1940S - YOU SOUND LIKE AN ANCIENT BIGOT. NO DEMOCRACT CAN WIN THE WHITEHOUSE WITHOUT THE NATIONAL BLACK VOTES. HELL! BILL CLINTON ONLY RECEIVE 39% OF THE WHITE BLUE COLLAR VOTES WHEN HE WON THE 1ST BID FOR PRESIDENCY. IT WAS THE BLACK VOTES(83%) & THE LATINO VOTES(70+%) THAT HELPED BILL WIN THE WHITE HOUSE. SO WHILE PEOPLE LIKE YOU STEVE ARE SHOWING YOUR TRUE KKK COLORS, THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL BE MOVING ON TO A BETTER PLACE IN THIS COUNTRY. OBAMA HAS WON PLENTY OF WHITE STATES. THANK GOODNESS ALL WHITES DONT THINK LIKE YOU!!!!

Posted by: juscallmed | May 21, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Excellent night for Sen. Obama! He has now won more pledged delegates and the super delegates keep on piling up for him.

The news this morning that the Obama campaign brought in over 31 million dollars is astounding and bodes well for the fall campaign. Over 200,000 of the donors were first time contributors giving less than 100 dollars. The Obama effect is monumental and is changing the face of American politics.

Now its time to go out and make some history. United under Obama, the Democratic party can defeat the GOP attempt at a third Bush term.

Posted by: dee | May 21, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS TO YOU ELME: While you're quick to point out Obama's voting record in the senate, it is only fair to point out hillary's. Like how she supported NAFTA that help shift most of our jobs overseas - how hillary voted for the iraq war which had nothing to do with 9/11 - how she supported the colombian trade - how she was unable to reach across party lines to get her health care plan passed - how she fabricates the truth - how she have taken millions of dollars from lobbyists - the list goes on & on. SO IT WOULD BE ONLY FAIR THAT IF YOU TALK ABOUT OBAMA THEN YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME ABOUT HILLARY

Posted by: juscallmed | May 21, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS!

Hillary's campaign ended April with $31 million in debt!

Hillary "raised" $22 million, but owes herself $11 million and owes vendors/consultants $20 million!

Posted by: AJ | May 21, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

The WaPo Political Blogs headlines right now list Obama's name five times. No reference to Billary or her 30+ point blow out in Kentucky. Are you guys trying to prove how blatantly you support the big O?
-Wm Tate,
http://www.atimelikethis.us/

Posted by: Wm Tate | May 21, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

For all of you saying that Barack has no experience... check out this video.
Apparently McCain doesn't know what he's talking about:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/mccain-confronted-with-ne_n_102614.html

First he didn't know the difference from Sunni and Shiite, and now he doesn't know who the ruler of Iran is.

This old man needs some Ginsing!

Posted by: LeAnn | May 21, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

CHANGE - YOU CAN'T BELIEVE

OBAMA = NO Experience/ NO CHANGE

Obama claims 7 years experience in the Illinois legislature - Working Across the Aisles, Bringing people together to get good CHANGES passed -as exemplified by 26 good bills with his name on them.

A Chicago reporter says all 26 bills were passed in ONE Year and they were NOT Obama's.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3418/10516/

EXCERPTS:
But what's interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single year.

Republicans controlled the Illinois General Assembly for six years of Obama's seven-year tenure.

Then Emil Jones Jr. (became the Senate Majority leader), He became Obama's kingmaker.

Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

During his seventh year in the state Senate, Obama ... sponsored a whopping 26 bills including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced.

Working Across the Aisles/ Making CHANGES = ZILCH

Taking Credit for Other People's Work/ INTEGRITY = ZERO

HIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN IS BASED ON ONE BIG LIE.

Posted by: elme | May 21, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Locations fornthe first 17 nukes:

Texas - 3
Missouri - 1
Louisana - 1
Mississippi - 1
Alabama -1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
South Carolina - 2
North Carolina - 1
Virginia - 1
Maryland - 1
Pennsylvania - 1
New York - 1
Michigan - 1

Posted by: elme | May 21, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

This Presidential Election is not about skin color, or gender, or liberal vs. conservative.

Its about .... BIG MONEY --and 29 nuclear power plants.

(Florida will be getting at least one of those nuclear reactors).

WHY has NBC, MSNBC, CBS (& FOX & CNN) been putting out PRO-Obama/Anti-Clinton PROPAGANDA...everyday all day long - since last November?

ANSWER: Because Obama is PRO-Nuclear & he voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill; Clinton is NOT Pro-Nuke & Voted AGAINST the Cheney Energy Bill.

GE owns NBC & MSNBC, Westinghouse owns CBS ... & Thanks to the Cheney Energy Bill they are planning to reap BILLIONS in profits (Risk-Free) from building 29 new nukes AND from 30-40 years of HIGHER ELECTRICITY RATES.

(GE & Westinghouse have been pumping $Billions of ADVERTISING dollars for all their PRODUCTS - Into Every FORM of MEDIA, for generations.)... ANY MEDIA that even MENTIONS The Cheney Energy Bill, let alone provides any real COVERAGE of one of the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES of our time ---KNOWS they would put themselves at risk of a losing a lot of $$$ ADVERTISING Revenue).

Other participants in Cheney's NExt Big
MONOPOLY POWER
---ENERGY RIPoff---
Excelon Corp. of ILLINOIS, Entergy (owners of many utilities in the Southern States); 3 consortiums of nuke industry corporations.

McCain voted for the Cheney Energy Bill & has already said on the campaign trail: "I have to remember to say ... its absoultely necessary for...us...to build nuclear power plants."

Cheney, GE, Westinghouse (NBC,MSNBC,CNN,FOX,CBS ...(The TV MEDIA)... the nuke industry...Are running Obama AND McCain for President.

The only way we are going to get the NEW Clean Green ENERGY / ECONOMY we NEED is the election of Clinton to the Presidency. We cannot afford to squander hundreds of $Billions on Obsolete 70-yr old nuclear power plants.

Last week's NEWS: The governor of South Carolina is refusing to allow the Federal govt. to ship 30 tons of plutonium into South Carolina---until the Feds provide him with a written agreement that the Feds will --REMOVE-- the plutonium from South Carolina---in the event their plans to produce nuke reactor FUEL are --- unsuccessful.

The govt. wants to move 30 TONS of plutonium from the western states to South Carolina to locate it closer to the 29 nukes to be built in many of the Eastern & Southern states.

(See Map at NY Times LINK showing locations where the first 17 reactors are to be built):

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/31/washington/31nuclear.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1211360505-THF+hgbTrxetSkzjIgoiAw

(BTW a microscopic particle of plutonium, once inhaled, will kill you from lung cancer in about a week.)

Plans to build those nuclear power plants are well advanced - with licensing hearings already scheduled for the first few.

If you think nukes are ok... just
GOOGLE: Rocky Flats Denver plutonium, and, Hanford WA nuclear waste.

Sound far-fetched, to you ... The MEDIA in league with the Big Corporations (GE, Westinghouse, et al)...to Pull Off Cheney's NEXT Big Energy Ripoff...by PROMOTING a FAKE Democrat Candidate to run against, and lose to, the REPUBLICAN Candidate? Think about it:

SAME MEDIA that helped Bush/Cheney LIE us into a WAR. SAME MEDIA that sold the American public Bush/Cheney ---- Twice.

SAME Corporations that OWN the MEDIA --- are planning to reap hundreds of BIllions in Profits --RISK FREE-- thanks to the Cheney Energy Bill which decreed that US TAXPAYERS will PAY Back any of the nuke building loans that Default.--- (WITH the Congressional Budget Office rating the risk of default at 50% or greater.)

(From a Taxpayer/Risk/ODDS point of view The Cheney Energy Bill might as well have said --- let any nuke industry company go get bank loans for 5-10 $Billion --- then go to VEGAS & Place Their Bets--and--YOU the People Will PAY BACK Every Penny they LOSE.)

No new nukes were built in the US for 30 years because, following 3 Mile Island & Chernobyl, the banks wouldn't loan the money --- too risky.

PLEASE ---Pass the Word any way you can. Since
the TV "News" has now become nothing but Obama Propaganda, its up to We The People to get the REAL NEWS out.

Posted by: THE FIX is IN: | May 21, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

A FOX cable news item reported in the early am hours last night:

The major news media reported that Obama spoke to huge crowd of 75,000 in Oregon. All of them neglected to report that a hugely popular local band gave a free concert as the opening act just before Obama's speech - you think that might have had something to do with that "rockstar" size crowd?

Yep & TYPICAL of the MEDIA PROPAGANDA that has blown up the FAKE Obama candidate balloon ... scheduled to be punctured & plummet to the ground ... right After he gets the nomination.

Posted by: elme | May 21, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Extraordinary speech just finished by Obama in Des Moines.

We are watching the world change.

Now is the time to devote our time and energies to the general election.

Now it's time to address the "change that we deserve" that the GOP has been spouting, while we have been distracted by the primary debate.

Now it's time for Obama '08 to begin full power, full steam and in earnest, and for each of us to put our full energy behind the effort.

If you haven't been able to get to an Obama rally, or have, and want to take it with you, you can get the entire Obama rally setlist--all the way from U2's "City of Blinding Lights", to which Obama takes the stage, to the Obama victory anthem "Signed, Sealed, Delivered" at ITunes, here:

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewIMix?id=273868596&s=143441&v0=575

Posted by: Cara Prado | May 21, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I was just talking with Howard Wolfson, and he made a great point. If we discount every person who has voted for Obama, then Clinton has won all the votes. Think about it, we are holding back a superior candidate who has won ALL THE VOTES. Plus, if we went back to the voting method of the 1940's then she would easily have won, for all the black vote in the South would not have occurred.

Superdelegates should really think about these things.

Posted by: steve boyington | May 21, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: f66nuhko2e | May 21, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Thank you John from the Us of A. From an older Canadian to you. Happen to be white. May you be blessed.
Hope you do not mind me copying your post, but it tells so much truth.I live in America, I am 50 years old and a veteran, and no matter how we look at the problem, the answer does not change. I live in a racist, bigoted and ignorant country. The worst part is that this is a land of cowards that prefer it that way. Few people in america can look someone in the eye and say: "you are different from me and I fear you, my fear will not let me give you a fair chance."
What experience does Sen. Clinton or Sen. McCain have that Sen. Obama does not? Knowledge of how to spin the truth? Knowing when to have plausable deniability? Selective memory of the facts that make up your own life?
Pres. Bush had eight years (20 if you count the years in his fathers shadow) to show what you need for the job of President is a reality check, and the good common sense to use it sometimes. Honesty would be a good trait too, but too much to hope for.
Unfortunately what the majority of americans will settle for is white male. We need to get past that before this countru can make any true progress

Posted by: justadad55+ | May 20, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

nice, very nice. We love Oregon. From a bunch of former loggers... comes a serious bunch of bloggers (and high tech start-ups). Time to wrap it up, get serious with some repugs.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | May 20, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

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