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Rove, White House Dispute McClellan Book Tales


President Bush (C) waves as he walks with his press secretary, Scott McClellan (R), and Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove (L) to the Oval Office at the White House April 19, 2006 in Washington. (Getty Images)

Updated 10:44 a.m.
By Michael D. Shear and Michael Abramowitz
Reaction has begun to the new tell-all book by former White House spokesman Scott McClellan.

Karl Rove, the subject of many of McClellan's charges, said on Fox's Hannity & Colmes last night that he disputes those charges and said McClellan sounded like a liberal blogger.

"First of all, this doesn't sound like Scott. It really doesn't," Rove said. "Not the Scott McClellan I've known for a long time. Second of all, it sounds like somebody else. It sounds like a left-wing blogger. Second of all, you're right. If he had these moral qualms, he should have spoken up about them."

Rove said that he did not recall McClellan being in many of the meetings on subjects that he criticized. He said McClellan's comment in the book that he was surprised to see Rove and Lewis "Scooter" Libby talking together is evidence of his absence from major meetings.

"Well, look, it goes to show how out of the loop he was, that he didn't think we spent much time together," Rove said. "I mean, over the course of the seven years or six years that we worked together, Scooter and I spent a lot of time first on the campaign and then when we were at the White House we were on several committees together."

The White House sloughed off the book this morning as the work of a disgruntled former staffer.

"Scott, we now know, is disgruntled about his experience at the White House," White House press secretary Dana Perino said in a statement for reporters traveling with Bush in Colorado today. "For those of us who fully supported him, before, during and after he was press secretary, we are puzzled. It is sad -- this is not the Scott we knew."

She added: "The book, as reported by the press, has been described to the president. I do not expect a comment from him on it -- he has more pressing matters than to spend time commenting on books by former staffers."

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Just dropped by before doing some real work.

Most of you guys sound absolutely like idiots. Where in the hell did you get your education? and your morals, manners, etc. You are the type of people I do not want for neighbors or friends (or family). Go do some good work like volunteering instead of this stupid stuff you "write"

Posted by: Millie Burt | June 1, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was pretty good lick this morning when McClellan reminded everyone that President Bush lowered the bar for Rove when he discovered that Scooter and Rove had been involved in outing a CIA agent.

Posted by: the pendulumswings | June 1, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"Muddy sty", anotherwhitedude? For the love of my grandfather's hymn book, you leapt with such gleeful alacrity into a description of the places one would most likely be fellated that I highly suspected you of being an oral sex fiend yourself (until I recalled your unfortunate condition)!
whitedude said nothing about Lakisha's race. Perhaps you need to take a nap.
A black president in the White House would go far in healing this nation's wounds. But Obama is not that black man.
As for "african americans taking back what is theres [sic]",
yeah, no. Just no. What??

Posted by: George | May 29, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Bushie, rove, and the other enemies of the Union must indeed be perplexed...at how the 'conditioning' failed.

"This is not the Scott we programmed"

Posted by: theantibush | May 29, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

George-

Your ire has further addled your already impaired capacity for rational thought. So your own indulgence in "inane vitriol" was insincere, a mere provocation to see how I would react? I suppose you regard petitions to perform oral sex and references to impotence to be on a higher axiological and rhetorical plane than my reference to the authoress of your days (please pass along my regards, by the way). You are right, though: I have debased myself by rolling around in your muddy sty and indulging in the same sort of reprehensible name-calling to which you and "whitedude" resorted (without provocation, however).

Meanwhile, Lakisha's excellent point (made, to be sure, with the grammatical mistakes typical of this medium, which "whitedude" seized upon in a racist denigration of her education) has gone unaddressed: there will be no justice for African Americans until they wield political power.

Posted by: anotherwhitedude | May 29, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Vietnam Vet:

Why would you not be outraged at the continual lies that Bush et al have peddled? Even worse lies were told to justify Vietnam. Thank God you survived. But many soldiers didn't, and it wasn't until a short time ago (maybe within the last ten years) that Robert McNamara "came clean" in his tearful admissions. I would think that Vietnam vets would be more insenced than anyone about the president lying in order to justify a wrongheaded war.

Posted by: Mike in Philly | May 29, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

anotherwhitedude,
WD was attacking the idiocy of an idiot, and rightly so, be he hypocrite, jester or king.
Regardless, I was only wondering how you would react to the sort of inane vitriol that comes so easily to you behind the shield of anonymity. I detect a quiver in your voice, so it's clear I've hit a nerve. I'm sorry. But the "Your Mother" retort is Classic. I once almost used it myself, but have now been vindicated in my conjecture that its use is - not even the abandonment of wit - but the natural province of the apes.
Now go invent a legume, genius.

Posted by: George | May 29, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The problem I have is that all of you armchair quarterbacks are at it again!During Vietnam you gave the 58,260 soldiers names that are on the wall the bird and once again you,re doing it again.I have a cure for you!Why don't you go to Africa and see how your liberal policies are working.That's what's coming to America if you have your way.Sad to say when someone does not study history they're doomed to repeat it.

Posted by: Vietnam Vet Who's Sick Of Retreaters | May 29, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Bush et al are "puzzled" because they can't understand why McClellan would tell the truth!

Bush's "integrity" is like a bald man's combover. He's dishonest, he knows he's dishonest, he knows that everyone knows he's dishonest, yet he continues to pretend to be a paragon of virtue and honesty.

Those of us who recognized Bush as a fraud from day one are sitting back licking our chops saying I told you so. Unfortunately, given the disastrous state of affairs Bush's sell out of this country has put us in, there is no joy in being able to say that.

On the positive side, just nine more months and every American can delight in declaring TGGIG (Thank God George Is Gone)!

Posted by: Mike in Philly | May 29, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Dear George-

I think you missed the larger point here. "Whitedude" was hypocritically attacking another poster for the kinds of grammatical mistakes all of us make while writing on the Internet--not exactly a medium propitious for profound or elegant communication. I called him out.

As for erectile dysfunction (an ad hominem attack typical of those with no substantial arguments) I think you've confused me with "whitedude". Your mother can attest to the fact I suffer no such ailment. Tell her that as soon as she gets your DNA test back, I'll be happy to send child support.

Posted by: anotherwhitedude | May 29, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

It is very interesting to see the so called world of America haters as the Dems claim. Take a look at the world and you see those that were once socialist are now becoming capitalist. The rest of the world is turning towards our way of thinking, yet we are turning towards the old socialist viewpoints.

Bush can do nothing without the congress, people here seem to forget that. The real power is in the congress, not the president. Congress by the way, has a lower poll rate than Bush.

I agree with some of the above, if the two parties thought of America first instead of their parties, we would already be out of Iraq with a victory. Fighting one hand behind our backs will always take longer than fighting full force. The so-called unbias media won't show victory of anykind in Irag, just take a look at past/current reports. This same un-biased press(90% admitted dems, you guys seem to fail to report that everytime you bash on Fox news) has no problem running pictures or reporting our deaths, but won't show the enemy deaths or reporting their failures. The press is more likely to believe everything the enemy says without checking out facts, but questions anything our side says. Remember when the Dems/Press ran to the mics and told us that Americans slaughtered women and children, reports giving to them by the enemy, ran it without a second thought........oh ya, untill the video came out showing the ambush by the enemy on those troops. Did the press/Dems run to the mics to clear those soldiers they smeared? No.. Why? Maybe we should help those who actually are putting their lives on the line and help them win. Support the troops not the mission is a joke, if you support the troops you need to support the mission to make sure they live through the mission. To many couch sitters here talking about things they have no clue about. Questions are welcomed, just make them equal to the other viewpoint, America first, not the Dem/Rep party first, to many of you are more interested in your party viewpoint rather than the success of the American public. "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it." America's biggest problem is we are not united anymore under one idea. Too many people are interested in their piece of the puzzle and keeping it to themselves instead of helping each other put their pieces together to make the bigger picture. Socialism doesn't work, humans are to imperfect to make it work. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. If things stay the same, selfish Dems/Rep thinking we are well on our way to Hell.

Posted by: Tim | May 29, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

never trust someone who says "Second of all" in TWO sentences in a row.

It's ALMOST as bad as over-using the phrase, "if you will".

Posted by: zentrails | May 29, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Hey Stephen Jeffries-

Stop watching Fox news channel, which is notorious for inventing facts to suit their political agenda. When the entire state of Florida was finally recounted following the 2000 coup, Shrub did not win. Gore won. This is a well established and (excepting Fox) widely accepted fact.

As for everyone else, who uses the word "lib" like it is a dirty word, try this one... fascist republican. Yeah, take anyone of Bush's let's bomb 'em back to the stone age speeches during the lead up to war, lay it side by side with anyone of Adolph Hitler's speeches, blackout the names, dates and places and ask your friends to tell you which speech was delivered by whom. The similarities are frightfully astounding. Most people cannot distinguish the two apart from one another!

As for the economy, do a little more homework. You will learn that G.W. Shrub was CEO of three different business ventures prior to becoming the deadliest governor in Texas history. All three businesses failed and Shrub was forced to rely on his daddy's rich Arab friends to bail him out all three times! It was not until the infamous land grab deal for a stadium, in which Bush was recruited for his political ties to legally force the rightful owner of the land to relinquish his property rights, that Bush finally made his own fortune. The worst kind of thief is the one who steals with impunity!

Face it, Bush is and always has been a loser, born with a silver spoon up his nose. It is no accident that his legacy will be that of the worst president in U.S. history!

Posted by: Robert Langdon | May 29, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Americans love the truth and generally have more respect for someone who fesses up rather than continue to insist lies are reality. We all should put country before our party.

Posted by: long ranger | May 29, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

How dare Karl Rove to say a tale about McClellan. Ever since Rove turned draft dodger he has never served his Union!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse


No denials of the accuracy of McClellan's (very late) admissions and criticisms, just, " doesn't sound like Scott. It really doesn't"....

Well, duh! stupid! _This_ time he's _not_ reading the scripts _you_ prepared!

Sheesh.

Oh, yeah, you're soon up for sworn testimony before Congress, Rove. Bet you 'sound different' then, too.

Posted by: proximity1 | May 29, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Scott McClellan's book about Bush after his stint as White House spokesperson should not be all that surprising. We know Bush is the worst president ever from his approval ratings and his actions. The Bush-Cheney White House has always been extremely secretive and I expect a lot of political spin on this one. It is likely that the post-Bush era will see many more "insiders" tell of the horrors of this dreadful Administration.

And of course there will be the classic Republican claims of a "liberal media", even though this is McClellan's book. We shouldn't believe this is possible, even though we all suspect these evil and stupid deeds by Bush. Give it more time, the Bush error will continue to unravel after years of White House control of media contact.

Bush is an embarrassment to Americans and the world. We all will shout it from the hilltops after January 20, 2009.

Posted by: vballboy60 | May 29, 2008 6:40 AM | Report abuse

droppingknowledge wrote: "Will you libs quit with that BS? Is it too complicated to see that if she was in such mortal danger she wouldn't be in dozens of magazine articles and write a book? If you were a CIA "secret" agent would YOU write a book and pose in magazines etc etc etc?
She sure mugs it up for the cameras for someone whose life is in danger. The fact is she has a publicist and agent."

LOL. All of the publicity occurred after she was outed by Rove et al

Posted by: sdr | May 29, 2008 5:39 AM | Report abuse

KAckermann wrote:
"Rove denied he leaked the name of a CIA agent and put her life in jeopardy."

Will you libs quit with that BS? Is it too complicated to see that if she was in such mortal danger she wouldn't be in dozens of magazine articles and write a book? If you were a CIA "secret" agent would YOU write a book and pose in magazines etc etc etc?
She sure mugs it up for the cameras for someone whose life is in danger. The fact is she has a publicist and agent.

Posted by: DroppinKnowledge | May 29, 2008 4:30 AM | Report abuse

You fools suddenly call McClellan's words pure truth? A couple of years ago he was talked about as Bush's propaganda minister! Every liberal here missed the obvious (what else is new)-McClellan is doing what his dad did. Barr McClellan wrote a book about "insider knowledge" about JFK's death at the hands of LBJ. Sr McClellan only came out with this knowledge AFTER he got run off-just like Scott. Libs need to learn history, we conservatives are tired of repeating it because of you morons.

Posted by: DroppinKnowledge | May 29, 2008 3:48 AM | Report abuse

Hey anotherwhitedude. Long-time listener, first-time caller. Big fan. Anyway, I was sorry to hear about your permanent and withering erectile dysfunction; that is, until I read your latest masterpiece. Now I nearly weep with joy at the fact that you will never be blessed with progeny upon whom to exert influence, as your example isn't worth a herring's right t*t.
P.S. How's my English, Nancy?

Posted by: George | May 29, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Hey anotherwhitedude. Long-time listener, first-time caller. Big fan. Anyway, I was sorry to hear about your permanent and withering erectile dysfunction; that is, until I read your latest masterpiece. Now I nearly weep with joy at the fact that you will never be blessed with progeny upon whom to exert influence, as your example isn't worth a herring's right tit.
P.S. How's my English, Nancy?

Posted by: George | May 29, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Whitedude:

Did you mean to say "put in an apostrophe"? Why is it carelessness when you make a mistake, but deficient schooling when others do so? As for "blowing you": sorry, I'm not into that, but if you're really that hard up, I believe there are a variety of bathhouses, public restrooms, and Republican Senate offices to suit your needs. And if you keep up your pathetic, self-righteous comments, I've got some more recommendations.

Posted by: anotherwhitedude | May 29, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Anotherwhitedude,

You are correct. I was careless in typing and put an apostrophe. You can still blow me. Do you have a clever reply to my point about Carver inventing the peanut?

Posted by: whitedude | May 29, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why people keep picking on Rove.

The FBI dropped their investigation of him in 1973 for... it doesn't matter; they dropped it.

The DA dismissed the charge of illegal voter registration when he listed the address of two cottages his wife owned as his residence. Just because those cottages were rented to other people doesn't mean he didn't live there.

Just because terror alerts were issued every single time Kerry got a bump in the polls doesn't mean it wasn't coincidence or that it was Rove.

Just because he held stock in Enron while sitting in on energy policy meetings that included Enron doesn't mean he let all that money influence him. Plus, Cheney had more.

Just because he had professional ties to the producers of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth... it doesn't mean anything.

Rove denied he leaked the name of a CIA agent and put her life in jeopardy.

As far as the whole US attorney thing: I don't want to get into it because the details conspire against him, but I will say this: where does it say that the Justice department cannot be used for political purposes?

Anyone can lose a few hundred thousand emails that coincided with critical dates. Also, as far as using outside servers not subjected to the Presidential Records act for official business - there are so many servers out there how could you not use the wrong one?

The Seigleman thing? He said he had nothing to do with it.

How much more proof do you want? He's done nothing!

Posted by: KAckermann | May 29, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

whitedude:

You're absolutely right: when Obama is president, he should invest heavily in education--especially your school. It's "theirs", not "their's". No apostrophe is needed; "theirs" is already possessive. Wise up and get off your high horse.

Posted by: anotherwhitedude | May 29, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

"white folks better wake up. because african americans are taking back what is theres. just like george washington carver said, the inventor of the peanut, black people will never be free until we can live in the white house."

The first think Obama needs to do when he becomes president is to work on our education system. It should "their's" not "theres" and George Washington Carver didn't "invent" the peanut. He certainly researched it fully, but he didn't "invent" it.

Posted by: whitedude | May 29, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Top GOP leaders should be charged with TREASON and impeached immediately. Republicans abandoned their principles, pissed on the Constitution and lied to take us to war. How UN-American. Traitors! Hope Bush & Co dont let the door hit them in the ass on their way out. Jan 2009 cant come quickly enough. I actually voted for them...and I feel so ashamed. Wont be fooled again...Obama = real change.

Posted by: ex republican | May 29, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

I can only imagine what will be left for President G.W. Bush to write about when he leaves office on January 20, 2009. Come to think of it, Jan. 20, 09 is not that far away. Thank heaven. I am getting tired of "Bush, Clinton, Bush ......."

Posted by: richardcolonel | May 29, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I noticed that neither Rove nor Perino said McClellan's claims were false. Just the usual Rove spin.

Expect an epidemic of memory loss when these Bush bootlickers actually have to testify about how the Bush administration went seriously off the tracks.

Posted by: redbeard | May 29, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Lakisha,

It is unfortunate, but true: Black people will never be free until they master the language of the oppressor. Anger is only an incentive. We need your thoughts, for sure, but, sadly, before America will respect them, you, you need to do the same homework that Obama has done.

Mark

Posted by: mark | May 28, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

all of you can EAT ME

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Who's the next person to write a book about the President or the White House?? This is really getting pathetic already.

Posted by: Lindy | May 28, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

white folks better wake up. because african americans are taking back what is theres. just like george washington carver said, the inventor of the peanut, black people will never be free until we can live in the white house.

Posted by: Lakisha | May 28, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time." ~ Abraham Lincoln

"Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." ~ NOT Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: F&B | May 28, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"6. Two years ago when Congress was taken over by Denocrats, the economy was much better and not in a recession and gas prices were around $2.00 a gallon. Is that a coincidence?"

Posted by: Stephen Jeffries | May 28, 2008 9:47 PM


I love this argument! The Republicans had absolute control over the United States government; the controlled the White House and BOTH houses of Congress for SEVEN YEARS . During this period, almost everything they touched turned to crap, because they were much more interested in consolidating their power, starting unnecessary wars and politicizing every aspect of government than they were in providing good government for the American people.

The Democrats have only been in control of Congress for about 18 MONTHS, (NOT two years), barely have a majority in the Senate and don't control the White House. They're in a virtual standoff with the Repugs.

Under these circumstances, these pinhead Republicans expect America to blame the Dems for not cleaning up the mess in 18 months that the Republicans spent 7 years creating!

I've got news for you, my friend. This November is going to make November of 2006 look like child's play. Don't take my word for it. Ask the Repug congressmen who got voted out of heretofore blood red Michigan 14, Louisiana 6 and Mississsippi 1.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

OMG-You people just don't have a Clue do you?

Bushie was ORDERED by CONGRESS(The same Sorry rotten barrel of crud you have decided to have all three current contenders come from-Idiots and Fools!), to Take out Saddam HUSSEIN!

However, It is the FLAGRANT DERELICTION of his Duties to ENFORCE the Constitution in PROTECTION of the American People(Read; NOT IRAQI OR MEXICAN), that he is CRIMINAL Guilty of!

He SWORE an OATH to do so! He has allowed an INVASION, Price Fixing by Big Oil, and Allowed American Business Ventures to be ROBBED by "People"(Used VERY Loosely) like Chavez!

These, NOT the War, are not only the Faults of Bush, but the same Garbage we WILL get from Elected P'sOS from the US Congress!

Face it you IDIOTS! ALL of THEM have been in POWER! What? I mean WHAT? Have Juan McAmnesty, Billary, or Obasama done;

to Justify being given MORE Power?

Go to mittromney.com, READ his "Issues".

Unlike Barack Insane O'Bomba-Nation, HE does NOT need YOUR Info FIRST!

THAT, in a Nut-Shell, should send ANYONE with a Brain, RUNNING as far from Barack as they can! :-(

Posted by: SAINT---The | May 28, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

McClellan book is dynamite.. but the Iraq mission was accomplished.. The mission or Iraq was wasn't about WMDs, Democracy, not even oil... it was all about Israel and the NWO.
http://joeland7.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/is-modern-israel-in-bible-prophecy/
http://joeland7.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/the-new-world-order-religious-and-political-conspiracy/

Posted by: joe | May 28, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Election update 2008: In a stunning upset of this year's Presidential election, the republican party has scored an overwhelming
victory in the state of Denial !!!

Posted by: J. Adams | May 28, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

TO BRAIN SHRUNK2 I AM NOT AFRAID OF ISLAM. IT WILL NEVER GAIN A FOOTHOLD IN THIS COUNTRY. IT IS A LONG TIME UNTIL ELECTIONBS. THAT CLOSET MUSLIM HUSSEN OBAMA WILL BE EXPOSED FOR WHAT HE REALLY IS. MY PREDICTION-IS HE WILL NEVER WIN. I AGRREE 150% WITH JAKE. NUFF SAID.

Posted by: BILLY SANDERS | May 28, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

TO BRAIN SHRUNK2 I AM NOT AFRAID OF ISLAM. IT WILL NEVER GAIN A FOOTHOLD IN THIS COUNTRY. IT IS A LONG TIME UNTIL ELECTIONBS. THAT CLOSET MUSLIM HUSSEN OBAMA WILL BE EXPOSED FOR WHAT HE REALLY IS. MY PREDICTION-IS HE WILL NEVER WIN. I AGRREE 150% WITH JAKE. NUFF SAID.

Posted by: BILLY SANDERS | May 28, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"The Washington Post" about a year and a half ago or so, had opinion articles written by a few historians about where each thought Bush would be ranked among presidents to date. I think there is a possibility Bush may barely make the top forty list of presidents during the first two hundred twenty years of our history. Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Herbert Hoover and Warren Harding are strongly competing with Bush, among the likely bottom five presidents so far.

Posted by: Independent | May 28, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I find it amazing those who write such defaming rhetoric toward our leaders do not even have the nerve to actually sign their posts.

Let me say this to all of you:

1. President Bush did not steal an election in Florida. Every independant recount conducted, after the Supreme Court's ruling, proved Bush won the state of Florida.

2. President Bush did not lie to us about the war. He passed on bad information and may have not given due dilligence to that intelligence, but he did not willfully lie.

3. President Bush did not handle Hurricane Katrina correctly therefore many lives were lost. Period.

4. President Bush did not handle the War in Iraq very well therefore many lives were lost. However, since the troop surge there is progress.

5. Would there be any buzz or would there be as big of a payday if Scott McClellan wrote a book that glorified President Bush? I seriously doubt it. I am not going to judge McClellan's intentions, but I hope his conscious is clear at the end of the day.

6. Two years ago when Congress was taken over by Denocrats, the economy was much better and not in a recession and gas prices were around $2.00 a gallon. Is that a coincidence?

President Bush has made mistakes, but who was the last President who had to deal with an attack on our own soil; deal with a natural disaster that is considered one of the most devastating in history; fight tooth and nail against Congress to make sure the men and women serving our country abroad could get the food and supplies needed to live (let alone fight).

Posted by: Stephen Jeffries | May 28, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

LENNY BEANS ISN'T THAT WHAT YOUR BRAINS ARE MADE OF------------OR IS IT BECAUSE TERE IS A GREAT VOID IN YOUR NOODLE.

Posted by: BILL SANDERS | May 28, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The information in Scott McClellan's book is no big revelation. It only confirms what many already knew and others have already said. I appreciate Scott coming forward and don't agree with those who criticize him for not speaking up back then. Exactly how would he have done that?? Let's see, he could have done an interview, written an editorial, held a press conference, requested a Senate hearing, or what? None of those methods would have been effective in getting his entire story out. He has a lot to tell. Besides, the media has a track record for either yawning or ignoring everything foul thing this administration has done. I suspect Scott must have been pretty disillusioned when he left that job. I'm sure he went into it believing in what they were doing and felt used in the worse possible way by the time he left. I'm also sure he had to process everyting and then decide if he really wanted to put his neck on the chopping block by going up against this ruthless administration, not to mention the media who haven't exactly been kind. Cut the guy some slack and be thankful he's coming out now. You know his mother is a Democrat. She probably talked him into doing the right and patriotic thing-country before Party and truth before deceit. The only way this country can heal is for the truth to come out and for these crooks to be held accountable. Scott McClellan is only validating what many others have said, but coming from a former insider and loyalist, it carries more weight.

Posted by: spicegal | May 28, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

As usual, the liars are lying about who is lying.

If there hadn't been so much death and carnage, it would be amusing to watch them try to destroy each other.

But it isn't.

Posted by: RAS | May 28, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Billy Sanders, you seem frightened.

Islam will never "win".

American power is unrivaled.

But your President is a war criminal and a liar.

Can you understand this?

Posted by: shrink2 | May 28, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Now that the Bushies are in complete disarray and are busy spilling the beans about the last eight years, W's administration will stagger helplessly through the final months feebly denying what their ex shipmates (see pirate ship) are saying because only about 5% of the country believes anything anyone connected to W says, while they believe everything the tattletales relate.

Posted by: Lookinginfromoverseas | May 28, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, you bleeding heart liberal left wingers will vote you a "MESSIAH" in that will make a heaven for you to live in. You will be laying on a carpet looking toward Mecca to say your prayers.

Posted by: Billy Sanders | May 28, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

How did The Fake News Corporation become the Bush "administration" propadanda outlet?

Posted by: shrink2 | May 28, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Even Katie Couric called BS on the way Rove, Bartlett,and Perino Dog Chow all parrotted the line, "This isn't the Scott we knew." WORD FOR WORD! Helen Thomas said it best a couple weeks ago regarding MSM: "Where were you guys?"

Posted by: braultrl | May 28, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

You're all a bunch of left wing bloggers!

Posted by: One of the Bush 30% | May 28, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"i love the implications that mcclellen is, somehow, mentally deranged. "Not the scott we know," and so on.

pretty sad when the only defense is to say "he's nuts." and "he was out of the loop."


The guys not nuts...he was told that the best way to make a buck was to bash Bush and Co...so he wrote a book bashing Bush and Co. The lemmings on the Left will happily pay $25 - $30 a copy to validate everything they always believed was true.

Posted by: FH | May 28, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Hitler's Nazi's tried to create a new language, new truths, and new science. The Fascists of America have tried to do the same thing but it no longer works at all. Karl Rove, the former political adviser of thing Bush became the Goebbels of America by propagating the Big Lie,and repeating it over and over to make people believe it. r? The wrongies want us to still believe any lie they tell. We have stopped listening to their drivel and are forming opinions based in truth and most,if not all of the truth is coming from the progressive bloggers.

Posted by: ghostcommander | May 28, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Rove, a commentator on Fox was banished from the White House for pushing the envelope of Republican politics beyond lawful executive behaviour. He had involvement in the unproven Valerie Plame outing conspiracy put forth by Fitzgerald in the Libby case. His truth squad reported to Hastert's right hand information about a perverted FL congressman. Only when the Dems outed him was action taken. Did I mention this was Rove's truth squad reporting. How many Willie Horton and Swift Boat ads against parapeligic war heroes do you need to see before you stop letting them prey on your prejudice. Mr. Hannity should have a discussion with his pastor Peterson about his New Orleans views. 32 Republican office holders left because of indictment or sexual behaviour problems, with a drunk driving two wife congressman, soon to follow. Rove tried to run the country, like his campaigns, only problem is we are a country of laws.

Posted by: Jimbo | May 28, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Hitler's Nazi's tried to create a new language, new truths, and new science. The Fascists of America have tried to do the same thing but it no longer works at all. Karl Rove, the former political adviser of thing Bush became the Goebbels of America by propagating the Big Lie,and repeating it over and over to make people believe it. Since when is truth portrayed as a left wing blogger? The wrongies want us to still believe any lie they tell. We have stopped listening to their drivel and are forming opinions based in truth and most, if not all of the truth is coming from the progressive bloggers.

Posted by: ghostcommander | May 28, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone of you is crazy with hate and should be ashamed.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove said, "First of all, this doesn't sound like Scott. It really doesn't."

It's true. Even Tucker Carlson said on MSNBC that McClellan is the only person in Washington who is less articulate than George Bush.

Who do you think Scotty's ghost writer was?

Posted by: Kevinole | May 28, 2008 6:05 PM

Tucker Carlson???

Are you for real?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

The President's press secretary is paid to lie. Kudos for nailing Wedgie, Scott.

Posted by: David | May 28, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Why does Rove even bother replying? It's patently obvious that McClellan is telling the truth (finally) and that no one believes a word Rove says. Rove and the President have no credability whatsoever.

Posted by: kurt hunt | May 28, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Scott McClellan is just a disgruntled liberal!

Posted by: Bush Supporter | May 28, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Vice President Cheney lied about their role in revealing the identity of Valerie Plame Wilson - actions easily amounting to obstruction of Justice.

Impeach Cheney fist then Bush. Recall weak-sister Pelosi. Jail Karl Rove for contempt of Congress.

Posted by: Roy | May 28, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse


Rove and kind still believe they can escape any debate and duck any charges just by saying "Liberal". They know you can fool some of the people all of the time. If Scott actually said that Cheney could care less for the average person, the rest of the book is probably true too.

Posted by: Stikman | May 28, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Scottie, I've always realized you were a liar protecting criminals. Always.

The whole neoconservative movement is a blight on the spiritual history of mankind, right up there with the Nazis.

I am positive this has never been the people's country in my lifetime.

Posted by: chauncykat | May 28, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Remember your outrage in November and vote Democrat!

If your candidate doesn't get nominated, it may hurt, but it won't hurt as badly as four to eight more years of incompetent, pig-headed and inexplicably arrogant neoconservative leadership.

Posted by: Kevinole | May 28, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Pursue Karl Rove until he is brought to justice.


Direct Democracy

Posted by: Get Karl | May 28, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The not-so-hidden story in this was in how the press was used as an accessory. From the glory days of Watergate to reprinting republican talking points. That in no way compares to the lives wasted in Iraq, but, if you consider that a free and independent and skeptical press is integral to our democracy, then each member of the media has to look into their souls and see the same immoral blackness that infected each member of the Bush disaster..

Posted by: Nick | May 28, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

What's to discuss? Tell us something we don't already know.

Posted by: Troyce Key | May 28, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

There some other jaw-dropping quotations from the book that have yet to be reported!:

* "George W. Bush wouldn't have gotten to where he is if he hadn't had a famous father."
* "George W. was never a top-notch soldier."
* "Dana Perino? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer."
* "The well-being of the average American is not at the top of Dick Cheney's list of concerns."
* "It's quite possible that George W. Bush will not ultimately rank as one of the our top thirty presidents."
* "Despite what some people have said, President Bush did not want black people to die in New Orleans. However, he did hope they would not relocate to any areas of Texas that he likes to frequent."

More of the article here: http://www.236.com/news/2008/05/28/mcclellan_shocker_more_revelat_6791.php

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"'First of all, this doesn't sound like Scott...' Rove said. 'Not the Scott I've known. Second of all, it sounds like somebody else... Second of all, you're right. If he had these moral qualms, he should have spoken up about them.'

Ninth of all, a press secretary DOES NOT keep his job by bringing up qualms, moral or otherwise [I hate to say it, but Rove is too smart to believe otherwise for a second]. He must have been caught completely flat-footed to be fumbling this badly; maybe it's all the subpoenas. Ninth of all, I hope Rove and all the rest of these mendacious eels cry themselves to sleep each night because they can never wash off all of the blood.

Posted by: mobedda | May 28, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Seriously...
WHO, in their right mind, would
believe Anything ROVE says?

I know he's got a brilliant political
mind...and he's very smart.
But he's also a pathological liar.

If ROVE says one thing, that's pretty
good evidence that the truth is
something else.

I'd list all of the examples...but
I don't have that many bytes.

WHY you would quote him is puzzling.

Posted by: Aynsley | May 28, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to read it! I think this is absolutely hilarious! Look at Rove, once described "Architect" and visionary of a permanent conservative majority, now reduced to a whiny, constantly-defensive FOX pundit. Why anyone STILL would take him seriously is beyond reasonable thought at this point. Or more likely, points to ego-insecurity issues.

Some points for the "loyal Bushies":

1. The war and its rationale failed,
2. The economy is in complete and very scary disarray,
3. Islamic jihadism shows no sign of decreasing
4. Oil prices are rising
5. Even the Pentagon now is integrating global warming models into their own.
6. And now we have the former press secretary explaining how deceitful, oblivious, arrogant, and frankly moronic our Republican leaders truly are.

Posted by: erik | May 28, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I am very tired of hearing from government
officials who suddenly gain courage,integrity,and religion after they have been willing participants in major debacles and cover up activity. This is really outrageous when you consider that over 4,000 young men and women died because these people lacked the will to do the right thing when it counted. If they thought it was so wrong, why not just disengage from the process? More importantly, anyone who was a participant in the Iraq policy who is now writing a tell all book about the deception should be criminally prosecuted.

Posted by: R.Parrish | May 28, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

You people keep forgeting that this is America! We do what our bosses tells us to do or we're out of a job. This is true for Scott, Bush, the press and everybody else in America.
What it comes down to is this: If you own, you make the decisions. You're the boss. The more you own, the bigger the decisions you make. The wealthiest people are making the biggest decisions. Not the prez. Not congress. And certainly not you!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

These Born Again Coward Killers are learning while putting other people's lives on the line and wasting Trillions of taxpayers funds fighting illegal wars. Someone needs to have some courage and Indict these War Criminal Killers.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, this whole administration can come clean now, and point at everyone else.

Fact is, they're all lying criminals.

THIS is why I didn't care if Clinton got blown in the White House.
Because, there is serious stuff to be lying about... including war.

McClellan should have busted the administration long ago, but was probably under contract to lie.

Still, could have saved us a LOT of money, lives (both Iraqi and American), credibility, and maybe even the Republican Brand, which is now closely tied to liars and bullies.

So, in the whole of Federal Government, no one had the guts, nor the love of Country, to call their boss on this BS.

Shameful. And the Parroting media, too.

Posted by: John F_cking Doe | May 28, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Indict the War Criminals!!! Send the White House Killers to face the International Criminal Court for War Crimes! Oil prices will drop once these Big Oil Morons are out of DC.
http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/romefra.htm

Put Big Oil and the Lobbyists in Charge and the American Public will pay for it. Don't allow the BORN AGAIN HYPOCRITE IDIOT FRAUDS vote ever again. Why is the VP of Torture is hiding behind Executive Privilege regarding the Secret 2001 Energy Task Force Talks with Big Oil??? What are they hiding from the American People? It certainly has done wonders for Big Oil since those Secret Talks.

Misson Accomplished campaigned against Nation Building, then the Killer destroys a couple of nations and will spend Trillions to rebuild them better than anything in our own America. The Born Again Idiot Frauds that put this Murderer in office should never be allowed to vote again.

Friday, February 29, 2008
Economist: War to cost $3.5 trillion
Nobel economist tells Congress about impact of war that White House said would cost $60B.
Bob Deans / Cox News Service
WASHINGTON -- The Iraq war will cost Americans between $3 trillion and $5 trillion, including military spending, broader economic costs and decades of benefits and medical care for combat veterans, a Nobel prize-winning economist told the Joint Economic Committee on Thursday.
The upper end of the estimate is nearly double what the same economist, Joseph Stiglitz, projected two years ago. He attributed the dramatic increase to the continuing intensity of the war, which began five years ago next month, and the likelihood that operations there would continue for at least another year.
The war's gravest toll has been paid in blood. Fighting in Iraq has so far taken the lives of 3,973 U.S. troops and left nearly 29,300 wounded. Its staggering expense, however, has dwarfed the 2003 White House war estimate of $60 billion, and the price is rising.

"America is a rich country," said Stiglitz, a Columbia University professor and former World Bank chief economist.
"The question is not whether we can afford to squander $3 trillion or $5 trillion," he told committee members. "We can. But our strength will be sapped. ... There is no such thing as a free war."
Taxpayers have spent $607 billion to pay for the war through September, according to the staff of the Joint Economic Committee, made up of Republicans and Democrats from both houses of Congress.
The true cost to date, though, is $1.3 trillion, the committee staff estimates, when taking into account the costs of caring for wounded soldiers, replacing equipment lost or destroyed, the economic impact of disrupted oil markets and lost work time for reservists and other expenses.
In a report published last November, the committee estimated that the war would cost Americans between $3.5 trillion and $4.5 trillion by 2017.

50 million+ Ignorant Idiots put this Born Again Killer Moron in Charge. The Born Again Idiots should not be allowed to vote again.
$4-a-gallon gas? Predictions surprise Bush

Exxon Mobil posts $40.6 billion profit, Oil giant breaks record for largest annual profit by a U.S. company

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

'Coming out' with this perspective while still in the admin would have been much more useful and obviously, heroic. Now, there is a profit motive in 'speaking the truth'; to be honest, I'd have more respect for the guy if he had just played out the role of team player and stayed mum.

Besides, tell us something we didn't already know about the President.

Posted by: heywally | May 28, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I was struck by the reaction of Bush aides. Their words ("... this doesn't sound like Scott." -- Karl Rove; "It is sad -- this is not the Scott we knew." -- Dana Perino) reminded me of folks describing a quiet neighbor -- after that neighbor has committed some heinous crime. Are they suggesting McClellan should seek the insanity defense?
From Read Street http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/books/blog/

Posted by: Dave | May 28, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Gary Woodward and Bob Denton authored a classic college textbook called Persuasion & Influence in American Life. I think it's in its fifth or sixth edition now. You can buy it on amazon.com, I expect. Explains -everything- in nifty detail. Nothing Ray-Gun, Slick Willie, Konsiderable Karl or any of the rest of them say or do would be any mystery to anyone after reading Woodward and Denton.

Posted by: SighKoBlahGrr | May 28, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove said, "First of all, this doesn't sound like Scott. It really doesn't."

It's true. Even Tucker Carlson said on MSNBC that McClellan is the only person in Washington who is less articulate than George Bush.

Who do you think Scotty's ghost writer was?

Posted by: Kevinole | May 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Dear George and Karl,
We don't care what you think.
Signed,
67% of the American people.

Posted by: Bob22003 | May 28, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

What a farce. Scotty-boy gets religion just in time to cash in at the peak of the market for political scandal books.

The Bush administration disputes the book's contents? I did not realize anyone in the administration could read.

Posted by: Jackson | May 28, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"First of all, this doesn't sound like Scott. It really doesn't," Rove said. "Not the Scott McClellan I've known for a long time. Second of all, it sounds like somebody else. It sounds like a left-wing blogger."
--------------------------------------
Mr. Rove,

Do you think that anyone who thinks you're tearing apart our country is somehow brainwashed? Haven't you noticed that the American public and even prominent GOP Congressmen and NRCC advisors are sounding the alarm regarding your catastrophic policies and the devious ways you have sold them?

The way things are going, the whole country will be comprised of

* you and whoever is left of the White House political team on one side, and
* millions upon millions of "left-wing bloggers" on the other.

Posted by: Scott in NC | May 28, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Those people who say, well, at least we haven't had another attack on American soil killing 3,000 people since the first one that Bush ignored all warning signs about are truly amusing. What do they think Osama bin Laden is? The man must have pondered why he escaped so easily from Tora Bora, as though he were being invited to. And, after all, it might have made our Saudi allies so sad if we killed one of their best and brightest. So we didn't. And, after a couple of months went by, OBL could see very clearly what the tacit deal was. He got to be the bogeyman for Bush, as long as he didn't try attacking on the American soil again. Thus, he could attack in Morocco, Spain, Bali or London, and it was like Bush n Obl synergy - Bush got his scared moron crowd, and OBL got his rep strengthened for what he did - defeat the Americans. And defeat them he has - how much is it, two trillion dollars now to try to defeat a guy who is spending, max, 10 million per year? To get into this situation, the morons had to elect their ideal moron, a man who exemplified the stupidity, laziness and incompetence that is so honored in GOP circles. Bush was perfect for the part. The tough talk, the hollow action, the blaming of others, and most of all, leaving a shambles and debts for the next decade behind him. And of course I imagine OBL is going to be setting up camp in Afghanistan after Bush is gone, since the Bushies, pulling out troops for the criminal war in Iraq, basically left Afghanistan to the mercies of the Taliban and our other "ally", Pakistan, which set up the Taliban in the first place.
I'd like to see detente and peace in the Middle East, but if I didn't, I'd be appalled at the criminal negligence of this president. That is, if I were a sensible hawk. But being a hawk nowadays means being among the self-lobotomized. It is like a ghost dance cult, where you just believe something hard enough and it will magically protect you. Didn't work for the desperate Sioux nation, and it certainly isn't going to work for the nation of morons in Bush's America.

Posted by: roger | May 28, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Cindi LaFontaine wrote:
"...Everyone who gets fired from a fast food place tries to claim their boss spits in the hamburgers and urinates in the ice tea."

Yeah, but what if they really do?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I eat ass

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

How convenient to discover one's morality after you leave the White House. It's time for all the false Patriots to drink the Kool-Aid. Morality in not something you find laying about your desk while writing your memoir! Cowardly would be a more fitting description for those who hold loyalty to the "leader" above their country! It's time to JAIL some people for TREASON.

Posted by: dana fox | May 28, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

When a problem is ignored long enough it becomes a crisis. Wake up y'all.

Posted by: Your neighbor, your brother | May 28, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Cindi,

I know, Scott and all these retired Generals should just keep their mouths shut and let this country go down like the Roman Empire! Speaking as a current active duty member (17 plus years) who has served two tours in Iraq and will more than likely go back there again before I can finally retire, it is nice to see someone speak the truth. You are going to see a lot more people do the same in another year or so....

Posted by: Bobby | May 28, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

If he would have voiced his concerns during his tenure, he'd never been heard from again. Not only is the monkey face "W" (and Chaney), a moron, crook, idiot, and liar, but he'd stop at nada to force his opinions, his propaganda, and policies on us all. I served under the first Bush, but if this one would have asked me to go to the Gulf, I'd rather wizz on the front steps of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Posted by: USMC Vet | May 28, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey tbone4235,

Do we need to get your clown suit for the next photo shoot with the rest of the band?
(ICP) Insane Clown Posse !

What an idiot you are ! So do you still beleive the WMD's are real? Getta Clue you moron and think for yourself!

Posted by: tuthwilltell | May 28, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

This is the real (ICP) Insane Clown Posse !
only the band has better common sense.

We need a revolution !

Posted by: truthwilltell | May 28, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

We should admire only one person Gen. POWELL

Posted by: Wyoming | May 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Shame

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer

I suggest that Mr. Rove and Mrs. Perino both read Power Failure: The Inside Story of the Collapse of Enron to find answers as to why McClellan didn't speak out in the face of pressure from the White House Mafia. It's called blind loyalty and group think.

So, because he didn't resign at the time invalidates the truth? Here is one American hoping that other brave souls speak out. General Powell? Anyone?

Posted by: Truth | May 28, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Now all that's missing is the clown suit.

Posted by: pgibson1 | May 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

A disgruntled ex-employee makes up lies about the former boss who fired him...why is this garbage even being discussed. Everyone who gets fired from a fast food place tries to claim their boss spits in the hamburgers and urinates in the ice tea.

Posted by: Cindi LaFontaine | May 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Nuremburg defense, Scott?

You were only following orders and "didn't know" they were false?

Nice.

This is what Republicans do with the taxes we pay. Make a complete mockery of our government, our country, our selves to the world.

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | May 28, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

We don't need books by Clarke and McClellan to tell us about the den of liars that have been in Washington the past eight years!
(That goes especially for the ones who slinked out the back door after the War in Iraq started)

Posted by: Jim | May 28, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

And this is supposed to be news? The great majority know now what was quite obvious soon after 9/11. The funny part is Rove still thinks he can author any "truth" he wants, and thinks it will be believed. What an embarrasing 8 years!

Posted by: Ron | May 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Rika,

The Justice Department IS, in fact, part of the Executive Branch. It is headed by the Attorney General and runs the FBI and other agencies.

The Judicial Branch is our court system. The Supreme Court tops the food chain there.

Posted by: Kevinole | May 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

It's all making sense now, how Dana Perino sleeps at night. She's 'out of the loop'.

Posted by: shhhhh | May 28, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, forgot to put my name on the post to Lenny Beans

Posted by: robsmarq | May 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Lenny Beans, your play on words only serves to illustrate how ignorant you yourself must be; for example, it isn't just white killing blacks automatically equals racism, it's that whites killing blacks while ranting how he/she hates
ni*%as and scrawling "KKK" at the scene just might have a hint of racism. Your rantings illustrate your "poor me" mentality that seems to be catching like a disease among white males who fear that the day is coming when they no longer have carte blanche to do as they will, when they like, to whomever they like. Sorry for you....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Quote:

Mark(?):

They never said the Executive branch wasn't involved -- FYI: the Dept. of Justice is PART OF the Executive branch -- seriously, if you have something "on topic" let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:16 PM

Uh, Jake .... last time I checked the Constitution, the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT (a/k/a JUDICIARY) is a SEPARATE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.

No wonder you're confused. By the way, my dad fought in Korea too. He used to be a staunch conservative. He came around too. There may be hope for you yet.

Posted by: Rika | May 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Rickey,
You may be on to something. Perhaps McClellan knows a day of reckoning is coming, and his book is his way of trying to avoid jailtime.

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

War is Peace.
Slavery is Freedom.
Ignorance is Strength.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Rove is claiming that McClellan was "out of the loop"?

He was the PRESS SECRETARY. His JOB was to know what was going on so he could answer reporters' questions.

Rove is saying that Bush kept his OWN PRESS SECRETARY "out of the loop"?

That sort of proves McClellan's claims - doesn't it?

Posted by: Iggy | May 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

McClellan was out of the loop???? LOL
Right....the presidents spokesperson was left in the dark on the issues he took EVERY DAY to the press.

Sorry Karl. You are a criminal who conspired with Libby to deceive a grand jury in a case that constituted treason. The only real question left is why are FOX and Newsweek employing a traitor? Why aren't you in prison already?

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | May 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

My fondest wish in life is to have a larry Craig bobblefoot doll on the back of my toilet.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if I'm alone thinking this, but McClellan does sound like someone trying to make sensation out of what amounts to be his job description. He seems to have decided to come out on the winning side of history by stating that he was too naive to really understand what the evil geniuses around him were concocting. The truth is, he is as implicit as his colleagues in creating such a mess of this presidency.

Posted by: Ricky | May 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse


trapped like rats on a burning ship...

Posted by: Rosemary | May 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Ultimately, the Bush White House consists of a half-dozen corrupt men without honor who misused all around them, and those around them will have their say, and it won't be pretty. And none of the principals will ever have a hint that they will be betrayed because their attitude toward power and service guaranteed that honest expression of disagreement could never happen in their presence...

Posted by: Rich | May 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Jake,
Yes Truman and the A bomb are a fact, but what does that have to do with my comments to you? You wrote, in an attempt to back up the Bush admin, that there hadn't been an attack on our soil since 9-11. I wrote that the first attack on the Trade Center was in 93 and it was 8 years later that 9-11 occured. Thus, Clinton kept terrorists out for 8 years versus the current almost 7 that Bush has.

In addition there has been an increase in terrorism world wide since 9-11.

Posted by: sdr | May 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

For Washingtonpost.com - Is there a way to filter out JakeD and Steve's comments so they can go off and have their conversation somewhere else?

Posted by: Ike | May 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, this is not news. There are no shocking revelations here. All this does is confirm what we have already learned from insiders like Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill, Matthew Dowd and others. This is the most incompetent, dysfunctional administration in American history.

I have ZERO respect for Mr. McClellan. He should have brought these issues to light the day he left office, if not sooner. He's a coward who waited until he could turn a buck to go public with this information.

I will not buy his book. I will do what I always do when I want to read a book from a right wing extremist. I'll check it out from the library. I encourage you all to do the same.

Incidentally, with all due respect, I don't share the same opinion of Dana Perino as the blogger who described her as "intelligent" and "sharp-witted". This is the same woman who admitted on NPR that she didn't know what the Cuban Missile Crisis was until very recently (i.e., since becoming White House Press Secretary.) She's just a pretty face and nothing more. As usual with this administration, appearance trumps substance.

Posted by: Kevinole | May 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The fact that you read nothing in the newspapers about this is proof in itself of a cover-up conspiracy.

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The "Talking Heads" in the White House were to busy talking to be able to listen to one another. Nothing new for the Bush White House.

Posted by: Pat | May 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Jake If we were not at war prior to 911, then why do all the right wingers blame Clinton for failing in the war on terror? Is it because the biggest disaster, the biggest terrorist even occurred on 9/11/2001 nine months after wild bill left office?

Jake you claim to be a lawyer yet you don't actually behave as one, and you toss out inane comments continually. Really now, implying once again that Clinton staff members died under questionable circumstances hinting that perhaps they met with foul play? That is not really based in any reality nor is it based in any intelligent argument. It is slinging sh*t simply for the sake of slinging sh*t. I don't have access to Think Progress from here, but if anyone wanted to head on over there to ask about Jake's fake Korean War credentials someone at TP can easily point you to the plagiarized bio that Jake took his info from. Also ask about his legal credentials I believe there is quite a humorous thread over there where Jake has trouble keeping where he went to school straight.

Nice pick up pxshaddox

Jake d (3:07) why was it ok in the 1980's for people to judge Reagan one of the greatest presidents ever before he even left office? The legacy project was already in full swing bby then. What about righties always judging Carter as the worst ever before he even left office? Or CLinton as the worst ever before he left office? This again is one of those arguments that righties can only see from one side.


BTW nice job ignoring why impeachment is off the tbale. You knwo darn well why it is off the table and it is the obstructionist party refusing to do their job that is keeping our country from moviing forward.

Steve he does nto care why it was dropped. All he cares is that a democrat ordered it dropped. BTW it was dropped as much to end the war as it was to send a message to Russia.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Can't remember your question from an hour ago. What does it matter? An American has probably died or been wounded in Iraq since then.
Suffice it is to say, your satisfied with 4,000+ Americans dying in Iraq for reasons other than the one we were given.
Or are you? Will 4,000 be enough?
The arrogance of right-wingers is a wonder to behold.

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Want some fun? Read Prof. James H. Fetzer´s The 9/11 Conspiracy which establishes, beyond a reasonable doubt, Bush administration involvement in the 9/11 disaster.
The fact that you read nothing in the newspapers about this is proof in itself of a cover-up conspiracy.

Posted by: Jim | May 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

egalitaire,
When asked what he thought about the motivation of people who tried to undermine the Third Reich's propaganda machine, Joseph Goebbels was quoted as saying, "I'm puzzled."

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Why dont we and our Constitution not want a Theocracy? Because religious zealots could be wrong at the expense of all of us."

On the nose-y, Barb! Your typical liberal psychological projection has led you in fine fashion right to the heart of the matter.
Your obsession with Theocracy is, of course, unfounded but humorless slogan-shouting wannabe socialist freaks like you - YOU could be wrong at the expense of all of us. The comments here about liberalism equaling truth (no discussion, please) are far more disturbing than anything the administration has said.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The White House and its friends are now saying that as Press Secretary, McClellan wasn't privy to all the important meetings, and that as Press Secretary he really didn't know what was going on.

So my question is, why the Hell then should any of us listen to Dana Perino? Why should we believe anything we ever heard from Tony Snow? According to the White House, these people's words are simply meaningless, because they're in no position to know what's really going on.

Why does Dana Perino even bother speaking, then? Why does the White House have a Press Secretary to explain policy to the media, and thus to the American people, when the Press Secretary apparently isn't told what the real policy is?

Posted by: Bud0 | May 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Steve:

I would be happy to ask myself those questions, just as soon as you answer the question I asked you (over an hour ago ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

nerakami:

I "believe one word from their mouth(s)", so what you just posted is not the truth.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
When you reach back to Pearl Harbor to justify Bush waging a war that most people in their right minds realize was a bunch of hooey, including Scott McClellan and other conservatives, you show the weakness of your argument and your position. At some point, you must ask yourself, "Why am I so married to this war?" and "How soon can I get everyone I love who's enlistment age shipped to Iraq?"

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I would like all members of the Bush administration to realize that it matters not what they say, as no on believes one word from their mouth, and that's the truth.

Posted by: nerakami | May 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Why dont we and our Constitution not want a Theocracy? Because religious zealots could be wrong at the expense of all of us. But at the moment it seems that our govt. has been taken over by Theocrats whose interest is not us but their religion and their foreign group.

Posted by: Barb | May 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

i can only imagine what joseph goebbels said about those who undermined the third reich's propaganda machine.

Posted by: egalitaire | May 28, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The White House describing Scott McClellan as "disgruntled" is a slap in the face to all those who have ever gone "Postal". All McClellen did was write a book, not go Rambo on them. I guess the truth hurts.

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Steve:

I don't have to "read" any background -- I LIVED IT -- and, yes, the greater good is always the basis for a "Just War". War is hell. Now, I will note that you never did answer whether you blame FDR for Pearl Harbor or not?

As you may be aware, there are some conspiracy theorists out there who do (but, of course, those are from the RIGHT-wing). Just trying to see how much YOUR mind is already made up too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"The White House sloughed off the book this morning as the work of a disgruntled former staffer."

Highly insulting words that confirm the truth of McClellan's observation. Republicans use the lying insult as defense against even the most obvious criticism. No wonder many staffers would hesitate to give voice to their "moral qualms."

Posted by: L.Kurt Engelhart | May 28, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

""Not the Scott McClellan I've known for a long time. Second of all, it sounds like somebody else. It sounds like a left-wing blogger."

Wow I think Rove is on to something... he probably sounds like a liberal blogger and not like the Scott McClellan they've known for a long time BECAUSE HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

After scrolling through the overwhelmingly foolish comments I had to run back to the top of the page and see what site we were on. "The Washington Post". Natch.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Both Bush and McCain gave speeches today. Both mentioned Iraq. Neither mentioned that the longtime White House spokesman has said the Iraq war was unnecessary and based on lies.

I guess in their battle with truth, they have prevailed over reality.

Republicans: not just liars, they're cowards too.

Posted by: Bud0 | May 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
As an apologist for Bush, I know your mind is made up, but dude, read the background about why the A bomb was dropped. It was to save MORE lives than would have been lost by in invasion, which was estimated in the millions. Now, I wish they had warned the population to evacuate first. The same point could have still been made.
But Jake, seriously, is that your argument for allowing your neighbors to die a horrible and premature death?

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Notice no one disputes his credibility on these charges -- just that "he's not the Scott we knew (meaning no longer gullible and/or corrupt, I guess).

"Sounds like a left-wing blogger"? I guess that amounts to a tacit admission that the left wing bloggers have been dead-on accurate all these years.

Karl, Dana, just go crawl back under the rocks. Really. Just go away and let us move on to the business of fixing everything you helped break, which will only take 30 or 40 years.

Posted by: Dave | May 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Dana Perino:

"Scott, we know now, is disgruntled about his experience at the White house."


Disgruntled: discontented, in bad temper,....Robert&Collins


you mean to say, lady, that little Scotty is beahving like a spoiled child. Something trivial no need to talk about.

Then why do you, and turdblossom hurry to make a quick statment? Why do you find it, both of you, worth a declaration?

Are the Chimp and his Volpone sleeping well lately?

Perino won't ever be digruntled, she's living in Paradise right now.

Let's wait for her book (and the cash with it) telling us what a terrible hell the W.H. is.

No sucker bet about this one.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

This nothing new! If the punbic isnt wise to was happening then they will never be.

Posted by: shep364 | May 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, just one "r" in Doris KEARNS Goodwin.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

We had no business being in the Middle East even before 9/11. Who belongs there is the impartial UNITED NATIONS. All we accomplished was to cause extremist to popp up.

Posted by: Barb | May 28, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Really, Tim Brown? Dorris Goodwin has "already judged" Bush -- eight months BEFORE he has left office -- no reputable historian would back you up on that.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

Why aren't you up in arms about Nancy PATRICIA Pelosi taking impeachment "off the table"? Why don't you start by at least holding HER accountable?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

History has already judged the Bush admin. They were wrong. End o story. It amazes me how stubborn the Bush apologists are. Acknowledge, learn and move on!

Posted by: Tim Brown | May 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

thank god we have NO THEOCRACY but could it be that we have it indirectly and without choice?

Posted by: Barb | May 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

sdr and Steve:

See my posts below re: Truman killing more "innocents" and how he is judged by history. I lived through that.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

JakeD = Half-BakeD

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

bush needs to be impeached and legal action needs to be persued for those involved.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Donal Duff:

I don't remember Bob Dole or Barry Goldwater's middle names, but MITT is Romney's middle name. Without looking the rest up, Micheal DALE Huckabee, Fred DALTON (I think) Thompson, John SIDNEY McCain, and (as I just posted) Hillary DIANE Clinton. You made some good points though.

jhbeyer:

If you thought, on 9/12/01 that the U.S. would not see another terrorist attack again, then you are certainly in the minority.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Jake D,

I hardly think your soul would be judged innocent. Your comments dispell that myth. What about the number of deaths incurred in Iraq? These soldiers need not die, nor do Iraqi civilians. These are people we can regard as "innocents"...you sir, are simply a bumbler in front of a computer.

Posted by: Lenny Beans | May 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"Can you go back and pinpoint the moment when McClellan went from perfunctory liar to the voice of truth and revelation?

Posted by: David E. Brown | May 28, 2008 11:47 AM"

If he was a liar when he worked in the Administration then he can't be telling the truth now (in his book), but if he's lying in his book then he wasn't lying when he was in the White House, which means he's not a liar so he's telling the truth now.... hmmmmm?????

Posted by: Spot the paradox | May 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

typo, I meant 93 not 83

Posted by: sdr | May 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
No, I don't see the difference between '93 and '01. There was also the USS Cole and the bombing of the embassy in Africa. I think some in our intelligence community knew where things were going. Can't speak for the unintelligent community, which, sadly, were the people your hero Bush listened to. (He didn't listen to Colin Powell, either, who struggled against this war - and is a conservative!)
I'm just sad for reservists and national guard families. While we've all been taken for a ride, some won't be coming back. It's funny, people enlisted when we were fighting the right war in Afganistan. They aren't now. And the right-wingers I know ARE NOT urging their children to join up to fight in this "important" war in Iraq.
They're not too bothered by other American sons and daughters getting blown to bits, though. The incompetence that has lead to 4,000+ Americans dying to make Iraq and Iran more dangerous than before is so mindboggling, no wonder you can't get your head around it.

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

thank god we are not a THEOCRACY, or are we indirectly and not by choice?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Regarding your comment that we have had no terrorist attacks since 9-11, it kills me when people say this. The first Trade Center attack occurred in 83, and we didn't have another on our soil until 9-11..so 8 years between 83 and 2001, and from 9-11 till now almost 7. (OK City in 85 was "home grown")

In addition, terrorism has increased world wide since 9-11.

Posted by: sdr | May 28, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Not one person quoted in this article denied the truth of the allegations. All they did was express disappointment with McClellan for being disloyal and/or questioned his knowledge of what went on and who said what. If I were Karl Rove and someone accused me of being involved in a conspiracy to out a covert CIA agent (and if I were innocent), I would categorically deny that the meeting with Libby ever took place. Instead, Rove questioned McClellan's source. Why aren't reporters doing their jobs? Call in Mike Wallace.

Posted by: pshaddox | May 28, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Lenny Beans:

Just as I drew the line with Hillary DIANE Clinton when she hoped for another RFK-type tragedy, I draw the line with ANYONE who hopes for an innocent's death. Good day, sir.

vegasgirl:

You are lucky that I am golfing this very afternoon ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

to all repugnants out there that hold Bush int he highest of esteem:


BARACK OBAMA

get used to it, losers!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

A lot happened before 9/11 and remember we have no territories in the Middle East. But what we do have that we easily forget about is Germany and Japan that are getting better and better economically. In fact, number 2 and 3.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

3 Points:
1. Can those who use Barack Obama's middle name, Hussein, in all caps recall any other presidential candidate's middle name,e.g.: Bob Dole's, Mitt Romney's, Mike Huckabee's, Barry Goldwater's, Fred Thompson's, John McCain's or Hillary Clinton's-- or are they just typical xenophobes ignorant of a common, traditional Middle Eastern name?
2. There was a revered conservative Republican president who spoke on at least one occasion of his memory of attending the Nuremberg trials, among other fantasies from his screen days. Does that cloud his image in the mind of the true believer?
3. Bill Moyers was a press sec. for LBJ and he quit his post in the administration when he was instructed to defend the lies of that administration regarding Vietnam and went on record at the time. His timing was probably a little more honorable than Scott McClellans.

Posted by: Donal Duff | May 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
No American president has had a foreign terrorist attack on HIS watch on the scale of 9/11 - except Bush. So what if we haven't had one since? We never had one before under any other president. All the others kept us safe, except Bush who compounded his error by sending troops abroad to be killed by terrorists. No other POTUS had to do that to keep us safe.

Posted by: jhbyer | May 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr Jake D,

Yes..those are certainly my sentiments. But for now your ignorance and myopia must me addressed...unfortunately you still have a vote. When you die..your vote goes with you. :)

Posted by: Lenny Beans | May 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

cross-country:

Please remove your head from your rear end and take a breath of fresh air.

Buffoon.

Posted by: icantbelievetheidiotsmysondiedfor | May 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

And JakeD: Knock it off with the "Hussein" comments about Obama. It makes you look like a mindless right-wing shill.
And you've done enough PR for the Bush administration today -- now please go outside, read a book, volunteer, pet a dog, cook a meal, etc. In short -- get a life.
And deal with the fact that your beloved president has been a disaster -- and if a Democrat pulled half the stunts this administration has, you'd be livid, and I'd be right there with you.

Posted by: vegasgirl | May 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Lenny Beans, but you already made it clear you didn't want to bothered by such a person as myself. Remember: "Hopefully, after you have passed from this earth, your narrow ideas and archaic beliefs will fade with you. In this hope, honest people and altruistic societies can emerge. Then we can have a world where unfounded bias and racial bigotry will be a memory; such as yourself."

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Why is that so many Bush's former employees have written memos critical of Bush and they always got "labeled" as "out of the loop or ex disgruntled employees." The fact is that the Bush administration is full of lies and deceits and decent human beings like Scott would not go along with it, as many other high-ranked officials who did the same (i.e. former Treasurer Secretary, etc.) The irony was that Americans' fear (of terrorism) were manupulated "magnificently" by Bush's campaign machine (Karl Rove), and we ended up with Bush' terrible 2nd term. The only consolation is that American only suffer eight years of "idiot rule" and it is almost over! "Pew, thank God for the wisdom of our forefounder of the US Constitution" to prevent us from forever being "harmed" by idiots like Bush.

Posted by: Anthony | May 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove: It sounds like a left-wing blogger

Mr. Rove, to paraphrase your old boss Richard Nixon, we're all left-wing bloggers now.

Posted by: Dan Conley | May 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous (you again asked "By Whom?"):

By PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIANS (as I stated in my post). You think taxpayers screaming "treason!" are bad now; you were obviously not alive when Truman left office. My point being, for the last time, that PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIANS take the big picture into account.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

So, Rove and this worthless, corrupt administration are denying Scott McClellan's book? *Wow! What a shocker!*
I don't have much use for McClellan, but considering the beating and smear campaign he's about to experience courtesy of the Right Wing Echo Chamber Media, my condonlences.

Posted by: vegasgirl | May 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Jake D,

Please explain how democracy has taken hold. We supported free elections in Lebanon then did not like the results. We are at odds with the policies of the new Pakistani regime. Democracy is not something you export via war. Also, democracy is not the end all be all of representative government. If the administration had taken the time to look at the historical, religious, cultural, economic, and political examples from this region they would know that democracy takes more than a "Mission Accomplished" banner. The middle east is made of tribes and sects that cross (western) demarcated borders. Bringing them democracy is as easy as changing their ways....I would akin it to something similar to changing you to a socialist. Think first Sir! Your ego seems to cloud your ability to reason clearly.

Also, how long do you propose we wait to be able to judge our beloved G.W.???

Posted by: Lenny Beans | May 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Yo Yo:

I'm not "afraid" of homosexuals -- it is a FACT, however, that civilization would cease to exist if there was no heterosexual procreation -- while that is the worse-case scenario, it's still possible.

Roy:

How, exactly, do you think the Speaker of the House has jurisdiction over federal penitentiaries (I mean, she can FUND them, but she can't sentence anyone)?

Jake:

I was in the 60th Signal Service Company out of Fort Lewis. How about you?

Anonymous:

Care to translate into PROPER English then?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

To the poster on judging Bush very well the question arises by whom? Not by us Americans that have paid money, sacrificed our own men, our economy and our Democratic system in order to support him and his advisors who sound more and more like traitors.

Karl Rove, Lewis Libby, Joshua Bolten, Cheney (with no "finger prints left behind") what is there agenda, it certainly is not for us!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"THE TRUTH WILL OUT'

ALITTLE BIT LATE. COCAINE? WHO COULD REMEMBER?

SOMEONE OUGHT TO ASK THE "FRAT BOY" IF HE REMEMBERS THE 1965 CRAWFORD NEWSPAPER SHOWING THE SMILING FACE OF
DEAR PRESIDENT DRUNK AND DROVE RIGHT IN A DITCH! CAR SURE LOOKED LIKE A TOTAL WRECK. WHAT FUN AND GAMES! PROBABLY ANOTHER TIDBIT HE JUST CANNOT REMEMBER!

Posted by: lynn parker. | May 28, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

What a breathtaking display of borderline personality disorder this Administration is. Denial, denial, denial, casting blame elsewhere, demonizing the messengers, and more denial.

We should be months into war crimes trials by now, but we lack the national character and moral integrity to be able to get there. Sad.

Posted by: Mark | May 28, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Obama can at least spell Israel correctly though. Your highly educated opinion is valued on the board....

Posted by: Cross Country | May 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

History will record President Bush as one of the greatest President's ever. Obama as one who sold America to Iran because he never was proud of this country. Didn't like Isreal either.

Posted by: crosscountry | May 28, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Steve:

WE (as in the United States of America) were not "at war" against the terrorists before 9/11. Yes, it's obvious now -- using perfect 20/20 hindsight -- that the terrorists were "at war" with the United States. Japan was plotting war against the U.S. during "Peace" talks too. See the difference?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Gannon was hitting all of those gay bashing evangelicals. Why do you think they are all so deathly afraid....I suspect there are a lot of self loathers in that bunch!

Posted by: Yo Yo | May 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

If weak-sister Pelosi had any backbone at all, Rove would be in a Federal prison along with Goebbels Gerson. Makes one wonder what Cheney has on Pelosi. She should resign or be recalled now.

Posted by: Roy | May 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, as an active member of our Armed Forces (17 years and counting), I would love to know what unit you were with Korea and hear some personal stories....I suspect that you would be outed fairly quickly as an imposter as someone else has already hinted....

Posted by: Jake | May 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Did he mention anything about Jeff Gannon and who he was boning?

Posted by: yo yo | May 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Jake that was english, just because you support the president doesn't mean you have to adopt his ignorance as well

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Bobby:

I won't be voting for John SIDNEY McCain either ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Having to choose between a confessed liar (McClellan) and unrepentent liars (Bush, Libby, Cheney and Rove) I think the choice is obvious.

Posted by: candide | May 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Jake D,
If you want to get technical, then we were at war in 1993 when the towers were first bombed. If you'll give Bush a pass for 9-11, then by that same logic Clinton gets a pass for the bombing in '93, and (rightly) should be highly commended for no other attacks on US soil during his term. Then Bush comes along, dum-de-dum, and blam! Yeah, he should be commended for 9-11, along with Vietnam (I mean Iraq), the US dollar in the toilet, back to back recessions, the mortgage meltdown, and the U.S. despised by the rest of the world. Mission Accomplished!

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

The United States President's Office is there to serve our American interest.

McClellan finally decided that his loyalty was to us the citizens.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Elaine:

"As a Leader of the free world, He do not make the final decision ..."

Could you try again, in English this time?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Rove sounds like a lying Texan neocon blogger.

Posted by: Roy | May 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Jake D:

I agree with you on the whole Obama getting that story about his grandfather mixed up thing. How can someone like that be our President. Next thing you know, he won't know the difference between Shia and Sunni....oh wait, that is McCain....

Posted by: Bobby | May 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

"Judging Bush very well" by PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIANS (as I stated in my post). You think taxpayers screaming "treason!" are bad now; you were obviously not alive when Truman left office. My point being, again, that PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIANS take the big picture into account.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Based on my understanding of what I've read so far, President Bush maybe the leader of the free world, He do not deserved the right to think on His own, Bush thinking don't count, Bush very thinking does not count. As a Leader of the free world, He do not make the final decision, His beliefs does not count and should not be taken into consideration....My understanding of the quotes thus far.........

Posted by: Elaine | May 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Let assume we are very civilized NATION!!

Let Assume FOX news is not running by the Gov't of Isreal

Than, we would hear, and see Impeachment.

I admire Gen. Powel. He is very classy.

It is too early for American to wake up and do the changes.

I blame al Univesities Prof, for not pointing out the violation of this administration to the Constitution.

Posted by: Swiss | May 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

To the poster on judging Bush very well the question arises by whom? Not by us Americans that have paid money, sacrificed our own men, our economy and our Democratic system in order to support him and his advisors who sound more and more like traitors.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Steve:

I said "since 2001" -- we were not "at war" before then -- unless you blame FDR for Pearl Harbor too?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
No terrorist attack since 9-11?
Doesn't that one count???

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Bring the White House back to us! And not to the interest of Party, Religion, sel-interest.
Karl Rove: countless break ins into Democratic Party events! criminal; of course! yet in the White House

Joshua Bolten and Lewis Libby...what are their interest?; their religion or us Americans?

Condolezza Rice...went along with the Adm. indeference to Katrina.

Posted by: Barb | May 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

LOL! I think that any Presidential historian will admit that, if democracy takes root in Iraq and spreads to the rest of the Middle East, George WALKER Bush will be judged very well indeed.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

If by "worse" you mean no terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 2001, please, by all means -- elect McCain -- just don't throw me into that brier patch!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:10 PM
Bushhatesamerica (NOT):

I'm content being among the 28% who know that history will judge Bush on whether democracy takes root in the Middle East ...
-----------------
You are also among the 28% on an hallucinatory drug. Or perhaps you don't remember if you actually took it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

JakeD
The "irony" is that our conservatives are waging war against other conservatives. It's kind of like the Sunni's and the Shiites, both conservative by our standards. And what's with the price of gas? How many arab countries to we have to invade to get some cheap oil? I actually heard a right-winger say, "Just you wait and see. We're going to invade Venezuela to get their oil?" I mean, this guy is a very successful business man, and he believes this! That's why the right-wingers are scary. Much moreso than Obama or any other "liberal" could ever hope to be. Seriously, how much worse can things get? (Elect McCain to find out).
I think McClellan is scared too, and made sure his book got out before election day.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

bkaufmann:

More "innocents" died from Truman dropping TWO A-BOMBS -- he was a Democrat -- regardless, history judged him fairly well for that though.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

For instance, Bill Clinton had four Press Secretaries, just like President Bush -- however, the turnover for other positions were far greater under the Clinton Administration -- especially via "unexplained" deaths.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Half a million people died because of these lies.

Posted by: bkaufmann | May 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

You left out Fran Townsend's digs at Scotty after his assertions of a disastrous White House response to Hurricane Katrina. Apparently President Bush sending her to Saudi Arabia instead of working to save Americans drowning in New Orleans is worth adulation. Calling it a misplaced priority got Fran's claws out. Of course CNN won't touch the meat of the matter as they lob softballs at their newest Homeland Security commenter. Fran gets off Scott Free once again...

Posted by: Alan | May 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

muslit:

More staffers left the prior Clinton Administration (of course, that President was impeached too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Jake D,

Your comments illustrate your person. Hopefully, after you have passed from this earth, your narrow ideas and archaic beliefs will fade with you. In this hope, honest people and altruistic societies can emerge. Then we can have a world where unfounded bias and racial bigotry will be a memory; such as yourself. :)

Posted by: lenny beans | May 28, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Mark(?):

They never said the Executive branch wasn't involved -- FYI: the Dept. of Justice is PART OF the Executive branch -- seriously, if you have something "on topic" let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: p0hiltnlvp | May 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

dana, so far, how many former 'disgruntled' staff members and others have written books about their experiences with the present administration? the president wouldn't/couldn't have enough time to read them all, even if he had time -

Posted by: muslit | May 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

jay:

More staffers left the prior Clinton Administration (of course, that President was impeached too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhh you are Crazy Jake from TP I knew it. Do you have an ignore list here too? Do you still have to peddle that Korean war vet and lawyer story? Both have been debunked with evidence, but if it suits you and makes you feel more important, go for it. But a real lawyer knows that executive privilege only applies to direct advice to the president it does not apply to everything in Washington that might embarrass the president as this administration seems to be asserting. Example Bush...the White house had nothing to do with the attorney firings. Congress ok then we will talk to... Bush, now wait a minute no testimony allowed...executive privilege applies. Congress even though you said the executive branch was not involved? Bush, yep. Their, and your, logic is dizzying. Very much like Vinzinny.

Anyhow you say you are not a republican yet you argue their cause on each and every issue I see you post on...if it looks, like a duck...

As to the impeachment issue it has to be off the table. Why you might (and have) asked. I'll tell you... Bush could be caught on the steps of the Capital Building Screwing barnyard animals while burning the constitution, shooting babies and giving dirty dick Cheney a reach around and still the republican MINORITY would not break ranks and impeach him. Until dems have the majority needed any impeachment attempts will simply be a political victory for the White House, regardless of evidence presented. So there is no point in even trying. The trials will have to wait till next year.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Can we count the number of so-called " disgruntled" staffers who have left this administration? It's a dirty mess this administration and the dirt is all coming out in the wash.....

Posted by: jay | May 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Bushhatesamerica (NOT):

I'm content being among the 28% who know that history will judge Bush on whether democracy takes root in the Middle East ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Lenny Beans:

Please see my last post to Steve; let me know if you still have any questions for me.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey JakeassD
Are your panties all in a bunch again? Are you again reduced to sputtering nonsensical anecdotes. Your beloved Bushy seems to be losing close friends everywhere. All he will have left are bumbling fumbling idiots like you to defend him. And that ain't good for him.

Posted by: Bushhatesamerica | May 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Did I ever do coke?? I can't remember?

Posted by: visions1 | May 28, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Steve:

I think plenty of people -- on both sides of the aisle -- fail to take the plank out of their own eye before pointing out the speck in a neighbor's eye. For instance, someone who "hates" Bush but questions the "hate" from right-wingers. I can only answer for myself -- I do not seek to crucify anyone -- I simply want the best President elected. That being said, I wouldn't use the word "ironic" to describe the WRONG DIRECTION America would head with Barack HUSSEIN Obama as President. That doesn't mean I want him assassinated though ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Jake D:

Genuine shock...maybe. But ask yourself why the administration is shocked. They say that they know he is disgruntled about his experience at the white house. this lends little to the "shock" theory you and the admin. propose. How about these words from Ms. Perino and the Admin..."We can't believe a former employee would have left this administrations because he felt at odds with policy. Further, we can't believe that he would have the gumption to make public his trepidations. This man is a liar, a heretic, and a cannibal. He is a man of low character and little social value. His accusations against this administration, though easily demonstrated and overwhelmingly likely, make him a traitor to his country. A true american patriot he is not. McClellen must be excommunicated from the church of the Bush administration. No one is to talk to him ever again."

How about that for a press statement Mr. Jake D? Seems likely since the white house opereates outside of reality anyway...

Posted by: lenny beans | May 28, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

rj2z J. Tewes:

I thought that Richard Clarke was the FIRST White House insider to do that?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Jake, you sound like you may be religious so let me ask this: Why don't right-wingers "love" their enemies, the liberals? In conversations I've had with them, some my friends, they sound like they'd rather crucify liberals.
On that note, "liberal", to me, denotes changing and evolving, while "conservative" denotes maintaining the status quo. Each balance the worst of the other. If we lived in a world that hadn't evolved since 500 years ago, I doubt that you'd be too happy in it, and yet, many "liberals" did this for you. Yes, we don't want to take on new ideas too quickly, but we have to, eventually. This battle between the old ways and the new ways rages here in America, and by us overseas in the middle East. Ironic, ain't it?

PS - I think it took guts for McClellan to come clean. Shows that he has a conscience after all. No wonder the White House doesn't see him as the Scott they knew!

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

He's not stating anything we don't already know about the Bush Administration...but at least he can clear his conscious before he meets his Maker one day

Posted by: bwlib | May 28, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

This is important because McClellan is the first White House insider to admit what is abundantly clear to 70% of the American people; the Bush White House deliberatly misled us about the threat posed by Iraq in order to invade that country with all of the problems that created for the United States. The rest of the people in the administration, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rove even Perino know that what Scott has written is true. They continue to lie. They may never tell the truth. They have deeply flawed characters.

Posted by: rj2z J. Tewes | May 28, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

It's funny to listen to the right wingers here. They are followers of the party line and getting their marching orders from Rush Limbaugh. I sense real FEAR in their hearts now that the PEOPLE of this Country are finally fed up with the LIES and DECEPTIONS that this administration has thrust upon our great country. When these right wingers are challenged, they say that Obama will raise taxes. But its funny that if he raises taxes it will be to pay for this WAR that has been funded by the National Debt. Well boys and girls.... China is gonna want its loans repaid. Change is coming after the November elections.

Posted by: DEY | May 28, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Good point, g:

This is the SMOKING GUN you, and Nancy Pelosi, have been waiting for -- please do not delay and contact her office immediately -- ask her why she is keeping impeachment "off the table"?

http://www.cindyforcongress.org/

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Mark:

I was banned from Think Progress, but I am not a Republican -- I am a Korean war vet and retired lawyer -- now, is there something specific about McClellan you are asking? If not, and you just want to discuss the Obama flap, you can try here instead:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/obama_and_auschwitz_part_ii.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

why again isn't there is a summary impeachment to rid our government of these criminals?

Posted by: g | May 28, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

McClellan is simply setting the tabel to turn states evidence on January 21st so he can avoid doing time.

Posted by: Mark | May 28, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Jake! Is that you crazy Jake from Think Progress? New assignment here on the Wapo? If it is you Jake are you still pedling that Korean War vet story? I thought that was debunked long ago when it was pointed out that you cut and pasted your Korean War record from another veteran's bio? Still pretending to be a lawyer too? Aim high I say, even when making stuff up I guess.

Anyhow what is your point on any of this? I mean besides carrying water for anything republican regardless of the legitimacy ot it? When you stand for whatever soemone else (in this case the republican party) wants you to stand for, do you really stand for anything?

Posted by: Mark | May 28, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Scotty isn't proud of his official duties because he was required by Bush to LIE to the American public.

Watch now as the NEO-CONS throw their loyal (and honest) soldier under a bus.

These people are not patriots. These people are not statesmen. These people are dirty, corrupt, racketeering warmongers passing no bid government contracts to their buddies and in thecase of Cheney, himself.

RICO statues apply to this administration.

McClellan's book should be read by every federal prosecutor with an eye towards endictment of Rove, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Addington, Yoo, et al.

Posted by: JBE | May 28, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

John D in Houston:

The story needs to be fact checked BECAUSE he is running for the most important job in the world. Yes, I expect more from our President. If he can't even get this "silly" thing right, how can we expect him to get the IMPORTANT things right?!

Next question?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Come on, people, there are plenty of other places to blame/praise Obama.

Can you NOT for just one day stay on topic?

You know who you are.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 28, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The Bush-Cheney administration or is it the Cheney-Bush administration has long lost any credibility on the issue of Iraq with the vast majority of the American people, who will justifiably dismiss these lame denials as merely more propaganda. Bush, Cheney and the Clintons have a lot in common, they expect a meek, deferential media and public to accept all their comments, as well as action, without question.

Posted by: Independent | May 28, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Steve:

No, I didn't mean that. Of course GWB has flaws (he signed McCain-Feingold into law). I not arguing against that. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

isn't it amazing that Colin Powell would trade his integrity for a slap on the back by bush/Chaney

Posted by: royce | May 28, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Once again, WHY does the story need to be fact checked. For the record, I am presuming that Obabma's family has passed the story down to future generations. Things do tend to get exaggerated from generation to generation, as you, as a reasonable person should know. Why does it matter whether the story, as related to him, misses the mark? Do you think he just made it up? For what reason? After all the flack that Senator Clinton took for the Bosnia story, do you REALLY think that that's what this campaign decided to do?

Once again, how does the fact that the story may be slightly off base impact the position that he is taking on veterans benefits? Do you really think that ANY presidential candidate in this day and age says things that are incredibly air-tight and can stand up to the kind of scrutiny that you presume to apply to them?

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 28, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Jake, didn't you mean, "by the time US troops arrived, all WMD's had been abandoned?"

Also, just because George W. Bush doesn't have HUSSEIN as a middle name, doesn't mean he's not without flaws.

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

DF in FL:

And, the irony of it, all I was trying to do was pay "dan" a little compliment for knowing that Auschwitz wasn't liberated by Americans ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"Gee, this doesn't sound like the Scott I knew," Rove said. "I had that little porker bent over and greased up for as long as I wanted, and he never said a word. Now he's acting like he can think for himself. Doesn't sound like him at all."

Posted by: DFC102 | May 28, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

MacClellan is acting like a disgruntled thief who after being cheated by fellow thieves in the process of sharing their booty claims that they were very notorius guys.He accuses the media of complacency but he was the chief archtect of mis-information. It also means that had he been treated well, he could still be part of the Bush-Chenney-Karl Rove etc game! I thought you were wise but to the contrary.

Posted by: David, Matty | May 28, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Jake D ..

Take your foot out of it and put a sock in it.

The rest of us are sick of your off-topic rants.

..

Posted by: DF in FL | May 28, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Although it is off topic, I agree with paul lukasiak (below) that it should be determined whether Barack HUSSEIN Obama's great-uncle really did participate in the liberation of 'the concentration camps'.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"Rove would tell the public anything and everything he needed (other than the truth) so that his betters could push through their wants and needs."

I think Rove would tell the truth if it served him, but he has no qualms about lying when it serves him better, as he's shown. The comment about whistle-blowers coming to ignoble ends is right on - now that Scott is out of the den of iniquity, he can more or less safely say what he's got to say. I doubt whether he thought all these things he's now saying while he was "one of them"; the fact that he can see it all now, looking back, is good enough for me.

Posted by: Ministry of Truth | May 28, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Lenny Beans:

"That's not the Scott I knew" sounds more like genuine shock to me.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

John D in Houston:

I could care less about your "respect" -- I did answer the question though by pointing out it is an issue -- I am not running for President, but if I were (per your hypothetical), then yes, all such "stories" need to be fact checked. By the time U.S. troops arrived, Ohrdruf had been, for all intents and purposes, abandoned (see post below ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Black Saint,

I'm curious - did you sit along side Senator Obama in that church for 20 years, and therefore KNOW that every week Reverend Wright preached a gospel of hate, anti-americanism, and God knows what else?

Just curious.

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 28, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that McClellen's comments seem to illicit a very defensive comment from the administration? The worst thing about this administration (aside from the pointless deaths of US soldiers, energy costs pulling America down, unprecedented government spending, and a laughable international image) is that they have continued to believe in the world that they have created and ordered for themselves. It is a shame that any questions or criticisms of the administration and its policies are regarded as "sad"..even though these questions and criticisms come from (former)friends (McClellen). The lies perpetrated and the disregard demonstrated illustrate the true nature of our 2nd Bush blunder and the compassionate conservatism he rode in on 8 years ago....where is that idea now??? or better yet, what did we get from it???? I am certain posterity will have an extremely difficult time pointing the highlights of the G.W. administration....however, it certainly will have a corucopia of lowlights for us to learn from. Now we just have to make sure we learn from these mistakes and do not succomb to blatant liars and devious old white men. :)

Posted by: Lenny Beans | May 28, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The problem Obama has with white uneducated voters is they never had the fine points of race and racism explained to them by learned professors. Not having a higher education to reply upon they must substitute common sense.

1.They have a very hard time understanding how anyone with any intelligence can sit in a Church for 20 years and support ones friend and mentor week after week, month after month, year after year with his money, family and attendance while listening to Hate American, Hate whites, Hate every thing rants, (with the exception of Blacks and Muslins) and still insist that he has not endorsed and does not believe in the Message, and he has not endorsed and does not believe in the MESSENGER.
2.They do not understand why believing in God, lovering this Nation, supporting the second Amendment, supporting Article IV Section IV of our Constitution against Invasion, and supporting the rule of Law, makes them intelligibly inferior, bitter and the object of scorn and ridicule by Obama and his Cult followers!
3.Why all Blacks Colleges and and All black Miss American etc. etc. is not discrimination.
4.They have a very hard time understanding why Whites voting for whites is racism but it is not racism for over 90% of Blacks voting for Obama.
5.Why being Black is more important than than Ability, Character, Motivation or other qualification in getting in Schools, Jobs, etc. etc.
6.They have a hard time understanding why when Whites kill Blacks it is a hate crime but just crime when Black kill Whites.
7.Finally they just cannot comprehend how 2 very big wrongs make 1 great Right!

Posted by: Black Saint | May 28, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I'M A DEMOCRAT AND WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYTHING WITH A CLINTON NAME EVER AGAIN.SCOTT McCELLAN IS A DEMOCRATE IN DISGUISE.

Posted by: RR.AZ | May 28, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Scott has my sympathy but not my money.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine a more incompetent group of losers? Vote McCain '08: "FOUR MORE YEARS!"


Who exactly are the remaining 27% that still support this sad little man? As for me, I wouldn't hire Bush to clean my gutters -- he'd probably set my house afire, back over the dog, and piss off all the neighbors.

I wrote him a note and said: "It's ok to stay in office 'til January 20, but please, for god's sake, just don't touch anything!"

Posted by: Peabody | May 28, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Jake D - I'm losing respect for you on that one - first of all, nothing has been proven that indicates a lie. Secondly, you avoided my question. As I point out - did you expect him to fact check what was surely passed down to him through his family? Or do you really think that someone went through his background and decided, "hey, this would be a good story to tell"

c'mon, you're better than that. If you can't vote for Senator Obama because he's pro-choice, OK, fine. Don't agree with you there, but at least that's a stand that you can make. It's a pretty limited stance on which to choose a president, since that means that any dunce that claims to be pro-life can get your vote, but what the heck.

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 28, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Frank:

Here it is (one last time): do you think that President CLINTON took a single day of "vacation" (AWAY from all work, relaxing the entire day, without a single phone call to take, briefing to listen to, or position paper to review)?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Please note that most whistleblowers have come to ignoble ends. Many have been silenced by the courts. Others, slandered and cast out by the Establishment. If Scotty had spoken out his access would have been cut, his office closed, his house searched and essentially locked out per security measures initiated by the NSA. Unlike Rove whose access was never questioned even after he was proven to be the leaker in Plamegate. Glass house dictum applies here.

Whistleblowers need to have evidence in hand in order to protect themselves and family from censure and reproach. Getting this through legal means when writing a book, makes it safer to expose from afar. And the book inoculates one from mysterious accidents. Scotty is a smart cookie going about it this way.

Posted by: Smedley Valet | May 28, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

orbiter dictum:

Of course, those still in the Bush Administration are (rightly) wondering why they never saw this side of McClellan.

Frank:

I am content to leave that up to the judgment of history. Care to answer my question, now, re: Clinton's vacations?

John D in Houston:

As a Korea war vet myself, I took offense at Barack HUSSEIN Obama's lies -- since I am pro-life, I can't vote for him -- but I hope the election is decided on just this issue alone.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

This information doesn't surprise me at all. I knew Bush was a pathological liar given his performance in the campaign for the Presidency in 2000. Time after time, Bush was caught in lies about everything from cocaine abuse to physical altercations with his father on a public street in Washington, D.C. However, I can proudly state that I didn't vote for Bush in 2000 nor in 2004. My only regret is that I didn't push harder with what should have been an overwhelming majority of the American People to have Bush impeached as soon as it became obvious that he was leading our country down a path of self-destruction. This time around, I am working hard to see that McSame is not elected. Obama has already opened up a 10 point lead over McSame in the latest Zogby poll. Thus, it appears that the American People are not willing to be lied to by this Bush clone. In fact, all the evidence points to a landslide victory for Democrats in November, which provides us with the only hope of saving this country. I urge every American voter, who truly cares about this country, to vote for a young man and give him super majorities in Congress (it happened before in 1934) so that he can make the changes necessary to save our country. Personally, I consider a vote for senile, old McSame to be an act of treason since he has already made it known that he intends to follow the destructive policies of the Bush Administration.

Posted by: Caliguy55 | May 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Media, 2002: "Page 1: New reason for war!!!! Page 18: Long, confusing article about why last week's reason for war maybe possibly doesn't seem to hold water. Editorial page: Why the President truly believes war is a last option and why people questioning this war are un-American hippies."

Left wing bloggers, 2002: "Wait, the Administration is feeding you a line of junk! Their case for war does not add up. Sorry, but someone is lying to the American people."

Scott McClellan, 2008: "Uh, we were totally lying to the American people, and the media were suckers for swallowing our line of junk."

Karl Rove, 2008: "Well, why didn't you say anything back then, fatty?"

Media, 2008: "After calling his former colleagues liars, Scott McClellan is now unpopular with them. So let's put aside the evidence of lying, questions about appropriate punishment for such lying, the role of rampant media manipulation, and the question of whether this kind of mistake could ever happen again to ask: what kind of man is Scottie, and does anyone like him? Also, is he fat?"

Liberal bloggers, 2008: "Here we go again."

Posted by: here we go again... | May 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Liberal is the 21st century version of Communist. Accuse someone of being a Liberal (as Rove has done with McClellan) and you have disposed of anything he (or she) has ever done, is doing, or will do. (May as well add "in league with Satan".) They are totally discredited and subject to arrest. Or so some hope. This is the first totally market-driven presidency. Rove would tell the public anything and everything he needed (other than the truth) so that his betters could push through their wants and needs. Fly-over country fell for it. They are suckers for city slickers like Rove.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | May 28, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Westexican and Hope:

Have you contacted Nancy Pelosi's office?

Karl Rove (NOT):

My "point" -- proving he has had unpaid-for sex -- was in response to the claim that it makes no sense for Mr. Rove to have unpaid-for sex. Get it now?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

For someone who values loyalty and fealty so highly, it must be hard for TLBush to swallow this -- his old press secretary comes clean. Only thing to do is call out dogs and cast doubt on his story.

Sic 'em Rover, Get him.

Republicans are pathetic.

Posted by: orbiter dictum | May 28, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't surprise me that their is yet one more critic of the Bush administration that was part of this group. But seriously if one deviant tells us that Bush was up to violating our constitution maybe we could cut him some slack. However when many of his deviants come out from under their rocks to repeat the same charges against him and Chenney, Rove, etc. than maybe we can believe the charges are true. Wake up america a handful of thugs, our current government, are about to destroy our country. Maybe its time for a history lesson.. read the Decleration of Independence!!! We need to ask all of our elected officials who are less than honorable to leave by voting them out. i also suggest you take a real close look at Obama questionable history because we americans can not handle another 4 years of a deviant in charge.

Posted by: Dennis | May 28, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

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Poor, brainless, deluded JakeD. Keep smoking whatever it is that you're smoking.

And, Lyndon Johnson is NOT viewed well by history in spite of his work to promote civil rights.

Bush will condemned by historians. He is a complete failure and a menace to the Constitution, the American people, democracy, civil rights, and world peace.

I have found that anyone who still says that Traitor-liar Bush is a "great" president is either an idiot or a liar.


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Posted by: Frank | May 28, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

When will McClellan fess up to the true relationship that the White House had with Jeff Gannon. Karl Rove uses a wide stance, I bet.

Posted by: Karl Rove Takes it Up the Poop Chute | May 28, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

RE: Obabma's uncle's WW II experience - C'mon Jake D - I think that you would like this election to NOT be decided on silly issues like this - Let's presume that your Uncle/Great Uncle for instance had been in that theatre of operations. Family stories were told about his activities during the war. They were passed to you in the same fashion that Obama has related them in his speaking. Would you actually fact check your family's oral tradition? Does the fact that the story, in being passed to you may have been exaggerated mean that the intent of what Senator Obama is proposing is any less meaningful?

It is already starting to become silly season....

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 28, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

What else is new, George Bush and his coharts have been liars a long time before George was the Gov. of Texas. He left Texas in a mess and now the whole world is in a mess. John McCain will continue George Bushes Legacy. God Help my Grandchildren

Posted by: Westexican | May 28, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

artforhumans:

Yes, this is the SMOKING GUN you, and Nancy Pelosi, have been waiting for -- please do not delay and contact her office immediately -- ask her she she is keeping impeachment "off the table"?

http://www.cindyforcongress.org/

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey JakeD: Larry Craig has been married for almost as long. What's your point?

Posted by: Karl Rove Is a Soft Fleshy piece of dung | May 28, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Get the popcorn and soda! Let the hearings begin! Is Ken Starr available? Unfortunately Daddy Bush has dirt on everyone...beauty of being former Director of Central Intelligence (oxy-moron).

McClellan, unfortunately Powell as well as many others did not know how to do the Potamic Two Step!

Posted by: Hope | May 28, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Rove, Cheney and Bush (and Rupurt Murdock) will one day be a case study in how to hijaak the thought processes of very intelligent people: demonize your opposition (your fellow Americans), declare yourselves as the moral authority (while you mislead the world), and accuse anyone questioning your integrity as being disloyal (it's simple: everyone else is wrong). It's the playbook used by some religions and all cults. Creative Reality makes life great when you can ignore true reality - no WMD's - no problem (our soldiers dying anyway - no problem), stratospheric spending with no tax increase - no problem, no Al Quaeda in Iraq (well, they are now!). I don't fault Scott McClellan for not knowing the truth. I supported Bush until I was nudged awake by the lies. Those still asleep, enjoy your dream. But, don't wake up. You won't like what you see.

Posted by: Steve | May 28, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Is Scott McClellan willing to testify? Is his excuse that he was just taking orders? He was the mouthpiece for Bushco Torture, War on false pretense, privatization for profiteering during war (Halliburton/Blackwater), the miserable admin failures of Katrina, the gutting of govt agencies that protect Americans from Military/Industrial/Corporate Greed, the treasonous outing of a CIA operative in a time of war, Enron, Worldcom, Arthur Anderson, dereg of industries that led to foreclosure/subprime bank bailout, spying on Americans wi/o warrants, censorship, Military/Media collusion on propaganda, DOJ crimes to make itself enforcement arm of RNC, lost emails, secret energy meetings, Vioxx, Big Pharma give-away, and on on and on. His punishment is to write a book that annoys Bushco & its ex-operatives like Rove? Impeach, Investigate, Imprison! These corrupt men and women are betraying this nation for $4 a gallon gas and a soft landing on K street.

Posted by: artforhumans | May 28, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

No way, Jose. I meant a "vacation" from Presidential job duties (AWAY from all work, relaxing the entire day, without a single phone call to take, briefing to listen to, or position paper to review). Keep in mind that I was not the one who brought up Bush's vacations.

Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Chuck:

Believe it or not, but Presidents Truman and Johnson has LOWER approval ratings than Bush. History judged them pretty well though.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

the rightie neo-cons are in spin damage control. If shrubdick was caught on video giving payola to the Arab Kings, and the video was posted for everyone to see, the communist republicans would say "the lefties are at it again."

Posted by: bushgivescheneyasnarling | May 28, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: "no modern-day President takes a single day of "vacation" as that word is understood my most vacation-taking Americans." If by that you mean that modern President are surrounded by literally 100,000s of thousands of subordinates who actually do the job of running the government, which is different than my low-level job where I have to ask a colleague to look after my responsibilities when I gone, then yes BUSH AND MOST AMERICANS TAKE DIFFERENT "VACATIONS".

Posted by: Jose Figueroa | May 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

re: Dana Perino being smart - she didn't know what the Cuban Missile crisis was.

Who would you rather talk to in the White House Press Room about the Cuban Missile Crisis?

Helen Thomas or Dana Perino?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Frank:

Let me ask it this way: do you think that President CLINTON took a single day of "vacation" (AWAY from all work, relaxing the entire day, without a single phone call to take, briefing to listen to, or position paper to review)?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

God Bless Scott...he's only saying what most of the country is thinking anyway. WORST President in the history if the USA.

Posted by: Chuck in Florida | May 28, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

We think our Scott is under some kind of mind-control. Well yes, Scott was the Press Secretary but he really wasn't there much. We always had to send someone to find him when we needed him to appear in the briefing room. I know I testified Scooter and I just barely knew each other but in reality we met quit regularly. Had Scott shown up for work when he was supposed to he would have noticed this. Scott is just disgruntled because when we sent someone out for Starbuck's we just got him a single latte while the rest of us got triple's, extra whip cream and a croissant. We in fact use to laugh behind his back becasue he never realized at the time what we doing. So, yes, he is disgruntled. I mentioned the book to him. He really can't remember Scott. Fact is the President is way too busy not playing golf and resolving world wide conflict to find time to a book by some wannabe author. In fact he is too busy to even make a statement about it. World conflict resolution can be a very daunting task. And its been quite time consuming for the President. No more questions, thank you.

Posted by: Patrick | May 28, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

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Darsis,

Those are fine words, and you make sense, but at some point people have to stand up for what's right. There were bigger things at stake than McClellan's job. Things like honor and integrity. Apparently, Scotty had some a little of both (I guess), but he took took long to be honest with America.

I guess one day while we locked in a war with Iran, which will not be so easy to defeat, Traitor-Liar Perino will write a book cursing traitor-liar Bush for lying. Wait a minute. What am I saying? Perino is pure evil. She has no conscience. She has no sense of honor.


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Posted by: Frank | May 28, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

dan:

Perhaps you can agree with paul lukasiak, who posted this over on the new Fact Checker thread:

"In this case, there was a clear intention to deceive on the part of Obama -- and its not the first time that he's pulled this kind of deception.

Obama is constantly trying to butress his "patriotism" and "loyalty" creds by falsely trying to make it sound like he comes from a family with a long military tradition. There was the false story about his father's flag-draped coffin, and now this story about an "uncle" who is actually a Great Uncle, and whom Obama apparently doesn't actually know.

Obama also attempted to deceive the veterans he was talking to by making it appear that the issues that concerned them were priorities for him because of his personal experiences.

The point Obama was trying to make was that for him, mental health care for returning veterans was a personal issue -- that he wasn't just pandering to veterans concerns, he really cared about the issue because it involved an UNCLE -- i.e. a close relative.

Obama also deserve four pinocchios for exploiting the Holocaust -- you don't need to liberate death camps to suffer from PTSD, and Obama's comments fail to acknowledge that.

Finally, it should be determined if his great-uncle really did participate in the liberation of 'the concentration camps'. By the time US troops arrived, Ohrdruf had been, for all intents and purposes, abandoned...guarded only by a few Germans. Precisely which unit gets credit for officially 'liberating' the camp remains in dispute -- but it certainly did not involved the thousands upon thousands of soldiers who comprised the 89th Infantry Division. And while the 89th as a unit can perhaps take credit for the "liberation" of Ohrdruf, claims tha someone personally participated in the liberation of the camp should be verified.

Many members of the 89th did pass through Ohrdruf afer Eisenhower ordered that US troops be given tours of the camp so that they "would know what they are fighting for". Unless Obama's great-uncle was one of the relatively small number of troops who entered Ohrdruf on April 4th, Obama is claiming credit for his family for something they did not actually do. (source notes http://www.89infdivww2.org/ohrdruf/ohrdrufintro.htm ) "

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Bush has always said that "history will be the judge" of him and his administration. Sounds like history is now ready to get started! 'Bout time, history! Hopefully there will be more honesty in the next few years from the insiders "in the know" so that history can make its feelings known soon enough that Bush has to live a long, long time blankly staring history's judgment in the face every day.

Posted by: History Now Judging | May 28, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

re: Dana Perino being smart - she didn't know what the Cuban Missile crisis was.

on McClellan - what do you call 1000 press secretaries at the bottom of the ocean? A good start.

on Rove - he's punking Fitzgerald.

on the press - Colbert said it best: "You should spend more time with your families, write that novel you've always wanted to write. You know, the one about the fearless reporter who stands up to the administration. You know -- fiction."

Posted by: Ike | May 28, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Frank:

Or, retired (don't worry, January 20th is less than 8 months away ; )

P.S. no modern-day President takes a single day of "vacation" as that word is understood my most vacation-taking Americans.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Obliviously, anyone who says McClennan should have spoken up hasn't worked in any type of political administration. And those who have and say that, well, they're liars.

Here's the two problems with that statement. One, if you are a mid-level staffer often your voice either goes unheard or is ignored. What was McClellan supposed to do, say he disagrees with the White House from the press briefing room. That's not his place.

Two. People have to work for a living. You may not believe fully in an administration's policy but saying so, publically, will get you fired.

It's that simple.

Posted by: darsis | May 28, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Tony Gillotte:

If it were a "fact" that they have nearly ruined the country -- which I dispute, obviously -- then Nancy PATRICIA Pelosi shouldn't have taken impeachment "off the table", huh? Why don't you start by holding HER accountable?

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Rove's response (as quoted) sounds like a "non-denial--denial." Does he directly deny he and Scooter were discussing their deception?

Posted by: todd | May 28, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

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"The book, as reported by the press, has been described to the president. I do not expect a comment from him on it -- he has more pressing matters than to spend time commenting on books by former staffers."

Yet, Traitor-liar Bush has plenty of time to shill for McCain in Israel and take more vacations than any other President in history. Heck, you'd have to be unemployed to spend less time working than Traitor-Liar Bush.

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Posted by: Frank | May 28, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

dan:

At least YOU know that Auschwitz wasn't liberated by Americans ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

To the extent they understand it, this administration is incapable of honesty. How could all of this tragedy be done in the name of saving the country, when in fact they have nearly ruined the country.

There must be a better way of punishing these evil people for their misdeeds. The public is aroused at how much they have been lied to, misled and prevaricated to.

This is no longer a case of taking a few liberties to insure the security of the nation. This is out and out criminality at work.

Rove has to appear before the congressional committees so that there is some sort of accountability for his misdeeds. Cheney and Bush will roast in you know where for their 8 years of tyranny.

When do they start being held accountable? Please tell me when?

Tony Gillotte

Posted by: Tony Gillotte | May 28, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse


Funny! Very funny!

Gasbag Rove playing the cheated friend. It can't be the old ScottY of the good old days. Scott never ratted on anyone. Always was part of the game and played the same tune with the neo con band;

Who knows, maybe the sheeple are going to fall for it. I doubt it however. Even a total sucker would at least be puzzled, so to speak.

Scott a "left-wing blogger." Proof that the gasbag is full of it and can't weather the approaching storm.
After feith and Scott, who's the next neo con rat ?

Posted by: bekabo | May 28, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Someone should tell Mr. Rove, Pres. Bush, and their pals that if you tell the truth, your memory does not have to be as good. This is just another example of how liars must keep lying, but eventually they slip up and they are held accountable. Maybe Pres. Bush should bring them 'to justice.' Patriots they are not, liars yes, cowards yes, and we are left to clean up the mess. History will not be kind.

Posted by: Bob | May 28, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Us so-called "liberal bloggers" have been right about almost everything for the last 7 years so I don't think that label is all that inaccurate.....

Posted by: dan | May 28, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Maybe just maybe we will think twice before leaping into a war against Iran.

Yet I agree that Scott should spoke up when he could have made a real difference: Before November 2004.

Posted by: Alex | May 28, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I thought I heard the engines cranking up on the swift boats and then I realized that it was just the GOP attack machine. The engine's not as big and it misses and backfires often.

WORST PRESIDENT EVER!

Posted by: willandjansdad | May 28, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"When I jump over the past to look ahead, I do it intentionally. The time is short! There is no time for fruitless debates. We must act, immediately, thoroughly, and decisively..."

"We also know our historic responsibility. Two thousand years of Western civilization are in danger. One cannot overestimate the danger."

"Total war is the demand of the hour... The danger facing us is enormous. The efforts we take to meet it must be just as enormous. The time has come to remove the kid gloves and use our fists... Unnecessary concern is wholly out of place. Those who today do not understand that will thank us tomorrow on bended knees that we courageously and firmly took on the task."

- Joseph Goebbels, 18 February 1943

Posted by: Historian | May 28, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

As a rightist, I feel that I am very smart, which is why I support Bush.

Posted by: The Rightmanforthejob | May 28, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

McClellen may or may not be telling the whole story, but if Rove is denying the info in the book, the stories must be close to the truth. Why would Rove think he has any credibility? Can he be that out of touch with reality? I work for a govt agency where we say "Don't Rove me." when someone is telling BS or trying to pin a lower level employee with blame for stuff done by a supervisor.

Posted by: Jimbo | May 28, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait for Dana Perino's book. She's intelligent, sharp-witted, and articulate, unlike most of those she follows. I bet she's very much in the loop, so when she turns her back on this administration, the stories will be good.

Posted by: JoeOD | May 28, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

pv:

Because he staunchly refuses to answer questions under oath due to Executive Privilege -- which McClellan was bound to as well -- the same, exact EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE that even a President Obama would have ; )

I bought Ari Fleischer's book when it came out. I won't buy Scott's.

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

McClellan is a genius.
The game has changed; now you draw the crowd by blasting the Bush Administration.

Posted by: Michel Marizco | May 28, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tbone4235
Why don't you go suck Bush, Cheney, and Roves c_ck.
Since you love them so much.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

To tBone 4235:

Really, now! What would ever make you think that the blogs on this site would support Bush? When only one in fours still think that Bush and his administration are still good. Imagine. Well, we know the identity of at least one of the 27% who can be fooled all of the time. Time to brush up on your world history. Perhaps you should have gone to the Washington Times site.

Posted by: Earl C | May 28, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The lefties are at it again

Posted by: Phyllis | May 28, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what it feels like to be Dana Perino. She's attacking McLellan knowing full well that more powerful people in the administration lied to him and then threw him under the bus just as they would do to her. And she has even less stature than McLellan. All she has is blonde hair and a pleasing figure. I wonder if she's smart enough to think "there but for the grace of God go I." And her turn may come yet.

Posted by: DatMel | May 28, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is a shameless sociopath.

He has no conscience.

Never did, never will.

Why do you bother to ask him questions when he so staunchly refuses to answer questions under oath?

We already know he's a criminal.
a criminal being defended by a corrupt Department of Justice...
... that he helped corrupt.

Posted by: pv | May 28, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Those who think Scott is the villain are not thinking very clearly. We should all be glad he let us in as a Bush admirer, on all we suspected anyway. Let's not knock him for it. He is like all the former, well thought of and selected by the administration for their jobs people, who have written similar books. The President can't be bothered responding? Of course not, he is guilty as charged and anything he has to say would be dismissed as more lies and deception.

FrankieT, Medellin, Colombia

Posted by: Frank Theriault | May 28, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

It seems like the administration comments coming Scott's way are mild so far. Hold onto your seats.

Posted by: Earl C | May 28, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

we should start a list of suggested book titles for other administration officials who, finally, write about what went on:

Condi Rice: "He swayed me with those gorgeous eyes!"

Rumsfeld: "All those snowflake memos snowed me."

Donna Perino: "I now find that I disagree with myself"

George W. Bush: "Loop? What loop?"

Cheney: "Kiss my butt."

Posted by: charlie | May 28, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

It is truly sad that there were so many Americans who lacked the critical thinking skills necessary to have seen this horrific Administration for what it was: arrogant, greedy, incompetent and manipulative. This Administration learned early on that if you control the language you control everything. Rove is not brilliant, he nothing more than a sociopathic salesman who is willing to stop at nothing to win.

Posted by: dram805 | May 28, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

All those years watching McClellan , it was easy to see when he was lying, just as it is with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice et al--their lips move.

Posted by: jmsbh | May 28, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

JANUARY 2009--"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

Posted by: steve-bflo-ny | May 28, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

It seems that to be a good and loyal servant is really difficult in these times when writing a book (AFTER leaving the job) about the former chief could be the best way to earn a lot of money.¿Where is the honor?.Shame on the traitors!!!.

Posted by: Ruben J Centeno | May 28, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

We have now experienced something similar to the rise of Nazism in Germany: same propaganda machine, the conniving "opposition", the few dissent voices labeled unpatriotic, frantic flag waving... So eerie.

Posted by: Maria | May 28, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing to me that all the blogs on this site are against the sitting president. Why don't you liberals find something better to do with your time like go out and get jobs and stop supporting welfare, socialized medicine and all the other programs your candidates are pushing. Stop and realize all they are going to do is raise taxes and ruin the best health system in the world.

Posted by: tbone4235 | May 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

It only fits with an administration that lives in a house of cards. Those cards have been falling for some time now. It is a shame that 27-28% of the people still believe that this administration is doing a good job. Unfortunately, these 27-28% are the ones that still have the real mouthpieces when it comes to media hype, propaganda, and spin. Even Scott still blames the liberal media for failing the country.

Scott represented the same media spin machine that everytime someone mentioned that the war in Iraq was over, the President's men came back to remind everyone that the President said that "major combat operations were over." Remember, we were always the ones getting the President wrong when he said something.

Again, January 2009 cannot come soon enough.

Can you imagine that anyone would complain about MSNBC leaning left with the FOX noise channel in the tank on the right?

Posted by: Earl C | May 28, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe a word from any of them, even if its the truth! Scoundrels calling liars rotters, and rotters calling former liars disgruntled traitors!

Disgruntled? Did they fire him, refuse to pay him, wreck his family, or seize his home? Mac is rich and getting richer, and over what possibly might he be disgruntled?

Libby, of course, is a convicted felon, the bad Jew who took the fall for the good Christians, Rove top of the list, who are going to Heaven, and now Rove is insisting they were blood brothers! Good, Mr. Rove, let me give you some more rope!

I for one will NOT be buying this book. It has nothing new in it we didn't already know.

Posted by: 1eye | May 28, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Do we really want politicians and civil servants who can't change their minds, or see things differently a few years later, with the benefit of reflection and distance, than they did in the "group think" of the organization they were in? I applaud SM for telling the truth. Yeah, he could have done it earlier. But who of us can't say that 5 years had changed your mind about something that you used to believe strongly?

Posted by: lochcarren | May 28, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Carby = Darby

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

David Brown - You said:

"Can you go back and pinpoint the moment when McClellan went from perfunctory liar to the voice of truth and revelation?"

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Yes. When he clocks out at the end of the day.

Here's what an interview for for a Bush press secretary sounds like:

BUSH: First, do you have any references?
APPLICANT: Frankly sir, I'm offended by that question.
BUSH: Good, good. Have you ever been fired from a job.
APPLICANT: Yes. For lying.
BUSH: Excellent! When can you start?

Posted by: KAckermann | May 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

LOL -- "It sounds like a left-wing blogger." Why engage in a substantive argument when you can call people names. Why any respectable news source lets that kind of rhetoric have access to the microphone is beyond me. Thank God for left-wing bloggers and the market place of ideas the internet affords.

Posted by: Sara B. | May 28, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 11:58 AM claimed: "While the thought of anyone having sex with Rove is enough to make one puke, being paid is the only way that makes sense."

Karl CHRISTIAN Rove, in fact, has been married to Carby TARA Rove for 22 years. In other "news" Oprah GAIL Winfrey's ("racist"?) viewship has declined since she endorsed Barack HUSSEIN Obama:

http://www.yahoo.com/s/889296

Posted by: JakeD | May 28, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse


Let's see, Richard Clarke publishes a book saying that on Sept. 12, 2001 Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are trying to make a case that Saddam was responsible for 9/11 and is publicly rebuked by Clarke ("investigated 5 ways to Friday" line) and he is "out of the loop" (per Rove and Limbaugh) for writing this. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill writes a book and says Bush cabinet meetings were like a "blind man in a room full of deaf people" and is said to be "out of the loop" by Cheney on Fox News. Powell writes that the meetings of the neo-cons on invading Iraq started early in the first term of Bush and was dismissed as "out of the loop" by Rumsfeld.

Q: Who WAS in the loop given that 4,000 dead U.S. soldiers have died for all of this?

Posted by: Sam Khaleel | May 28, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I wonder why Scotty's book is mum about the Jeff Gannon connection? Perhaps because Scotty was the Lucky Pierre in the three way daisy chain with Jeey and Karly?

Posted by: Karl Rove's Soft Furry Ass Needs Prison Love | May 28, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I guess 'Liberal Blogger' is now the new Republican catch-all for dissenters. Just another label to add to the list: 'Anarchist', 'Communist Sympathizer', 'Cut-and-Runners', 'Defeatocrats'...

Posted by: Smoke_Jaguar4 | May 28, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Let's see every White House staffer who has criticized the administration has been run down by the administration. So, it makes sense that McClellan would bide hos time before unleashing his criticisms. s press secretary, he was the mouthpiece of the president. He HAD to know what was happening, and if he was kept in the dark, there had to be a reason: Cuz they knew they were up to no good. I'm glad McClellan wrote this book. I just wish he had beenable to do it when it would have been more effective.

Posted by: not really surprised | May 28, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"I was just following orders. Of course I didn't know the full extent of the atrocities being perpetrated. I was just an innocent functionary. Have pity."

- A Nazi at the Nuremberg Trials

Posted by: Disgusted Frank | May 28, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

God Bless Scott McClellen.

This is what PATRIOTISM looks like - truth, honesty, courage....

Thank you Scott,

start-loving dot blogspot dot com

Posted by: Start Loving | May 28, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

People shouldn't knock McClellan so hard. For one thing, he did at least look uncomfortable telling all those lies. He clearly never enjoyed the role, and it showed. I have no problem believing that he truly feels bad about the war.

But more importantly, people shouldn't be too hard on him because it's bad policy to be hard on whistleblowers if you want to get the truth out. It doesn't matter what their motives are.

When the cops catch a mafioso who's willing to talk, they don't throw the book at him. They cut him a deal, even let him off scott-free. To get to the guys at the top.

It seems a pity to spend your anger on little Scott McClellan. It will discourage future press secretaries from telling their stories.

Finally, the Bush administration and its evil minions are going to be going at Scott McClellan full-bore for the next few days. You wouldn't want to be repeating a Bush talking point, would you?

So cut McClellan a little slack. He's not the one who invaded Iraq.

Posted by: kevrobb | May 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

As I've said before, Bush didn't lie, says so right in the book.

Posted by: Stick | May 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Of course they dispute this account. They have no choice but to do so.

Of course, no one should listen to them. Because as we've learned - or should have learned years ago - Bush and Rove and company are liars. End of story.

Posted by: corbetto | May 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

What else are the White House "water carriers" supposed to say?

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | May 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Scott was the contact for Jeff Gannon, the gay hustler who they gave a press pass to. While the thought of anyone having sex with Rove is enough to make one puke, being paid is the only way that makes sense.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Bush himself may have a comment on the book after someone reads it to him.

Posted by: Frank in Denver | May 28, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Like Iran, we are a perfect example of what happens when you have a government that claims to be ruled by religion.

Posted by: Jonathan Schweitzer | May 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The truth will always trump the falsehoods of this Bush administration. No amount of twisting reality can make up for a preemptive war that could only do more harm. It seems that hiding or bending the truth was more important than the lives of our soldiers and the lives of the people of Iraq. Anyone who comes forth with inside information will be insulted and castigated. To bad McClellen waited so long. More early honesty might have avoided what has occurred.

Posted by: Joe M | May 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Flash forward a few years from now and fill in the blanks with ANY name from the BUSH administration----
"_______, we now know, is disgruntled about his experience at the White House," former White House press secretary Do and Say What I am told to Do and Say said in a statement for reportings traveling with Bush to his Crawford Ranch today. " For those of us who fully supported _____, before, during and after ___ was _________, we are puzzled. It is sad - this is not the ______ we knew."

Posted by: iggy | May 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

yes, the Scott "we knew" was the one that lied for us - no wonder they're mad. The Manchurian President lives on

Posted by: spence | May 28, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

So shrub has more pressing matters than comment on Scott's book, like staying out of prison. And rove spouts off like the traitor he is. This administration is made up of five types of people; crooks, liars, morons, hypocrits, and all of the above.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Can you go back and pinpoint the moment when McClellan went from perfunctory liar to the voice of truth and revelation?

Posted by: David E. Brown | May 28, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

This administraton should all be in jail starting with the dreadful rove. The scumbags.

Posted by: David | May 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Just wait for the spin: Scott was out of the loop. Scott was disgruntled. Scott was mentally imbalanced. Scott has an illegitimate black child. Scott eats babies and tortures puppies. Look over there, a shiny object! Pay no attention to the insider account of Bush lies.

Posted by: dc guy | May 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

i love the implications that mcclellen is, somehow, mentally deranged. "Not the scott we know," and so on.

pretty sad when the only defense is to say "he's nuts." and "he was out of the loop."

actually, i can believe he was out of the loop. he was only the public spokesman for a couple of years. The white house, we know very well, considers the public as not having any need at all to know what's going on. So, of course, the public spokesman would be kept out of the loop and fed only blather to hand out.

interesting, in this way, to see mcclellen's claims confirmed.

having said that, i do agree that mcclellen should have spoken out earlier, or quit earlier and told the public why. But cowardice in the face of moral difficulty seems to be the MO of this entire government.

Posted by: charlie | May 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Whether or not McClellan knew the truth and lied is one thing -- but you would expect that front a political flack like him. The person who has really ruined his own reputation is Colin Powell. What a worthless disappointment of a human being he was, either a liar or an absolute incompetent -- or both.

Posted by: War Eagle | May 28, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Rove is right about one thing: the time for McClellan to speak up was back then. How convenient that now that it is far too late, for him to offer a vain, headline-grabbing protest, and while promoting his book! (Big surprise.) The man is a coward and a villain, and will forever be remembered as one among a gang of propagandists that lied to the American people to start and prolong an illegal war of aggression. May he be loudly shamed everywhere he shows his face for the rest of his days.

Posted by: Richard, and I say impeach. | May 28, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The White House crew has a pattern of lies from the election on. Why would they change now?

Posted by: Ralph Wahlstrom | May 28, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

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