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Sen. Hillary Clinton's supporters protest outside the Democratic National Committee Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting in Washington May 31, 2008. (Reuters)

The Democratic National Committee Rules and Bylaws panel meeting on the fates of votes cast in Florida and Michigan can be viewed live online here. Dan Balz has the whole story of how the Democrats got to this point and the central role played by Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan. Balz writes:

The story of how the Democrats got to this moment is a tale of personal egos, state pride, institutional integrity and raw political maneuvering. Its beginning dates back many years, and is rooted in competition between political leaders in Michigan, led by Sen. Carl M. Levin, who think their state should have a larger role in the nominating process; and those in New Hampshire, who have zealously guarded their state's first-in-the-nation primary.

Read the whole thing here. And Chris Cillizza is also live-blogging the meeting over at The Fix.

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Rules & Bylaws, Live from D.C.

There it is, rules & bylaws. Had they been respected, such a mess would not exist. Following procedure, protocol, rules and regulations are what Obama did. So why is it that Hillary is throwing a fit behind something that she initially knew was wrong. She needs to be gone. I can only pray that America doesn't lose their creditability, morals, principles or respect in dealing with the well known intentions from Hillary already. The entire world is viewing such a misfit of a character from Hillary turning down our democracy, when it is a democracy that we are presently trying to restore in American and build a democracy in foreign lands. Come on people, if you don't stand for something, you will far for anything. Hillary needs to be preparing her farewell speech and stop destructing our country. Shame on Hillary, poof~~~~be GONE. God Bless America!

Posted by: Nisey01 | May 31, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Yea I know! Any black candidate, more qualified to represent working Americans than most other politicians in Congress, has to be a racist since we have to refer our bigotry onto him.

Posted by: tanaS | May 31, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

what a choice we have, a befuddled old fool, or a racist, hate filled rookie, who surrounds himself with people who hate America and white people. Let me think about which one I will vote for, I've got it, neither one!
Hillary 08

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Since Hillary faked a southern accent while campaigning in the southern states, perhaps she can fake a Bostonian accent and announce "I voted to follow the rules before I voted to ignore them". Just like 2004, eh?

I predict she will continue to fight Obama right up until the last poll in the last state closes in November, resulting in another Republican in the White House.

I propose a constitutional admendment adding anyone named 'Clinton' to the list of people ineligible to run for the office of President of the United States. This way we wont have to worry about Chelsea in a few more years.


Posted by: jeremy | May 31, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Political party and big money power broker's self-perpetuation must rely on inserting rules, regulations and control between the voter and the outcome. Thankfully, even "dummed down" citizens are beginning to notice. This year it is seen in our Primary System, in 2000 it was the Electoral College debacle.

Posted by: Beverly Catt | May 31, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Women are proving that they can't be trusted to lead the country. Genitalia is not a reason to vote for someone.

Posted by: Don | May 31, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

You have no way to stop someone from running their mouth off on crap like he did. that does not reflect anything about Obama he is just a washed up white preacher who found his chance to stir up trouble. truth be know he was probly doing it to hurt Obama. Why else go to a church where there has been a problem and run your mouth. This only makes me want Obama to win more now.

Posted by: jim | May 31, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Julie6 wrote: "Hillary does not want to count caucus states...every vote Hillary wants to count are only votes that help Hillary"

Exactly. She's a predator who uses any tactic to get what she wants.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton sent Father Michael Pfleger in there to help her win. He is really for Hillary, He new the damage he was doing.

Posted by: jim | May 31, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I do not see what you Hillary people are spuing anbout. Hillary will go to the CONVENTION.She will end up...LOSING then OBAMA will LOSE. Then McCAin will be in as our President.Then you mousey women who BLINDLY followed and LISTENED TO CLINTON B.S. will be satisfied....But wait....HILLARY CLINTONS CAREER WILL BE OVER.SHE WILL BE OUSTED BY HER OWN PARTY...THEN SHE'LL BE DOING SPEECHES LIKE BILL

Posted by: hillarywatcher | May 31, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary signed and agreed with the ruling before she needed the votes...shows you how you can depent on her word.

Posted by: Frank | May 31, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Hillary does not want to count caucus states...every vote Hillary wants to count are only votes that help Hillary. She is destructive to the party because drawing this out is really turning alot of people off. Time is further exposing her governing skills by comparing her campaign machine. She is also insulting group after group of voting segments to get votes situationally...supposedly some of those blue collars would like to see thier children go to college. She has become reckless with words and everything is someone elses fault...she did not pass kindergarten .

Posted by: julie 6 | May 31, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I hope people remember that Clinton and Obama were not the only candidates when Michigan and Florida held their elections. It would be very unfair to ether split the delegates or award the delegates as voted. If the elections had taken place when they should have some of the other candidates would have got some votes and some of the delegates. I wish a third candidate had stayed in the race and could have thrown their support to either Obama or Clinton even though they had no chance of winning.

Posted by: Old Coot | May 31, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes, indeed, Obama was not on the "ticket." Like Obama, I always withdraw from a contest if I know I can't win. So, it would be wrong to count the votes in a state where the Saint couldn't win. That's just the way our democracy should work, or will if this goes down.

Posted by: MereMortal | May 31, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I will accept the results of the RBC, no matter what.I am a Democrat first.This is the controlling , legally elected board of the DNC.

Posted by: LetthemdrinkCrownRoyal | May 31, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

It's increasing clear that many white women just don't like Obama. I understand, he's black. Many of you are quite comfortable with McCain being President; I understand your thinking and your bigotry. In your minds you figure at least McCain is white. A white President is more important to many Clinton voters than to have real progress of America.

Posted by: tanaS | May 31, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Every vote should count. Especially when Obama wasn't even on the ticket.... er, that sounds just and fair.... Right!

Posted by: ObamaRocks | May 31, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

You know what grinds my gears the most about this? This is a PARTY ELECTION. Intra-party politics has never been considered part of the "constitution." There are few laws regulating it. There is no LAW that says an intra-party election process for a candidate MUST be completely democratic, nor should there by. This is a PARTY issue, not a voter or national issue. Back in the day all people did was elect the delegates, and they went on to choose the candidate at the convention. It was a representational vote. Now in the days of mass media, the delegate is basically a moot point now. I say we either go back to the delegate system or go to Popular Vote.

The News media and Hilary have fueled an irresponsible fuhrer based on the American people's ignorance of civics and politics. Just the level of irresponsible FOX-News style reporting from nearly every news corporation has been disgusting and totally one-sided in favor of Hilary Clinton. It isn't because these organizations support her, it's because when she stirs up trouble IT SELLS. She has had no chance for a long, long time. And yet the news media still gives her campaign legitimacy, and all the airtime for her "i'm a victim" rhetoric. She is irresponsible, the news media is even more irresponsible.

Again, party elections shouldn't be held to the scrutiny of public electoral process. They are best maintained, run, and ordered within the party. A party must have rules, and when rules are broken their must be penalties. We should have done what the republicans did. Yeah that's right, they penalized florida and michigan as well. They halved the vote in the first place. The stupid thing that the party could have done to avoid this was just halve those states' votes in the first place.

This whole circus has been driving me up the wall. it needs to just end and we need a candidate and we unite around him/or her, though I'm pretty damn sure it's going to be a him this time. I very much would like to see a female president but I don't at this point want it to be Hilary. There is too much baggage. I'll say this, she's got guff and she knows how to fight. Hard, underhanded and very manipulative as her tactics may be she is a damn good politician. Though personally i think the first female president should be a leader/politician who came to her success on her own, without her husband's political career catapulting her to success. You got admit, she would not be where she is today without riding the coat-tails of her husband. That hardly seems to embody the true feminist ideal to me, as a young man who grew up surrounded by very strong mother and sister figures. So lets let her ride off into the sunset, and look to new women to look up to. Katherine Sibelus is someone that comes to mind. One of the top governors in the country. A democrat in a red state no less. Now that is admirable to me.

Okay Rant done.

Posted by: Will, Minneapolis, MN | May 31, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Hillary went to law schooln and knows that if you break the law, you should be punished accordingly. Florida and Michigan broke the DNC law by holding their primaries early. Rewading Hillary's claims now means that we have a party that does not stand on principles, broken, and cannot be trusted. The woman is crying faul play now, when before she said it wasn't going to count in Michigan and Florida. She is cunning, like the "hare" sleeping with one eye open. If she gets the nomination, it will be a worst reminder of what the Republicans did to Al Gore. I Hope the super delegates are wise men and women who will not fall for this idiocracy.

If winning the presidency for the democrats means not following what their laws and by laws are, and in selecting their candidate, and accepting somwhat machiavellian ways of getting the nomination, then I DON'T WANT THAT PARTY AT ALL. I am starting to wonder why Clinton mentioned the death of a Kennedy, implying what? Obama dead??? White house is not an inheritance from a husband who was in office prior. I did like the Clintons but they have injected so much venom in the party and now we are divide. A Kingdom divided cannot stand.

Posted by: fairplay | May 31, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Every vote should count lets stop pussy footing around and be adults everyone plays...Guys...Deal with it and lets move...on from there....GROW UP PEOPLE...!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

From a foreigner's viewpoint, it seems that the voters of Michigan & Florida have been ill-served by their party committees who forced an early vote in these states. If the ordinary members wanted to vote, they could only do so when the vote was held, albeit illegally. I think a fresh, legitimated vote should be held in both states, at the expense, the personal expense, of the party committee members who forced through an early vote in face of a straightforward warning about the consequences.

There is some reason to question the motives and arguments of Senator Clinton here, but it's not her representation that's at issue; it's the quandry for the regular Democrat voters.

Posted by: alias1 | May 31, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Its got to be Hillary. Only she can destroy the Democrats for a generation.

Posted by: julia | May 31, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

It is now a party run off emotions. While the average democrat may be an ok person. your leadership is cancerous.

Posted by: laughing at the dems

Leadership. Use the dictionary, wikki, whatever to read it's definition, and you will see, under all counts, that none is being shown at this stage. The Party, the DNC, all have fallen to the Clinton Morass. If this was a military exercise, the enemy would need not worry about advancing to engage, as the Democrats are doing a particularly fine job of defeating itself in battle. And why? Because one family, one couple, and one individual honestly believe that they were meant to, by god given rights, to run this country. No others need apply, especially if you're of color! Is this what she really meant when she told Bill Richards the "he's not electable, Bill"? I guess we are starting to come to understand exactly why she said that.

Posted by: Larry | May 31, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Florida resident, and the votes should not be counted. It was basically a non-election. I know people who didn't vote, because they were told their vote wouldn't count. I know people who switched to the Republican party, so their vote would count.

In Michigan, Clinton was the only democrat on the ballot. We know now why she refused to remove her name. It was so she could claim a "win" in a non-contest and use that if needed to strong arm her way to the nomination.

Both of these states knew the consequences of their actions, and they shouldn't be rewarded for breaking the rules. That sets a bad precedence.


Posted by: judy | May 31, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Watch out, the Clinton supporters are furious! They even write in all caps to emphasize their fury. It's ok, though, I don't think we should be too worried. After all, who ever cared about the state of mind in West Virginia and other backwoods places. On the other hand, may be we should be worried because most Clinton supporters are barely coherent, almost illiterate country bumpkins. Who knows what they'll do. But hey, of course I want someone elected by them to govern my country.

Posted by: Axel Molotov | May 31, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

the problem with the DNC is it is controlled by liberals. Wolves in sheeps clothing.

It is now a party run off emotions. While the average democrat may be an ok person. your leadership is cancerous.

Posted by: laughing at the dems | May 31, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Some idiot wrote:
"Yes, indeed, Obama was not on the "ticket." Like Obama, I always withdraw from a contest if I know I can't win. So, it would be wrong to count the votes in a state where the Saint couldn't win. That's just the way our democracy should work, or will if this goes down."
--------------------------------

You might want to come back to reality. SEVERAL of the candidates took their names off of the ballot, because Michigan decided not to play by the rules that were already spelled out. But go ahead and seat ALL of Michigans delegates. In fact give them all to Clinton ignoring the 40+% who voted "uncommitted"... Barack Obama still leads in delegates.

Posted by: McCain is a Panderer | May 31, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Man we got some snarky tw@ts in here. Please feel free to stay home in November by all means.

Posted by: McCain in 08 | May 31, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If you're losing change the ruling.

Posted by: No, not that! | May 31, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

if every vote should count how come the Hills wants all of Florida and Michigan? How about the votes for Obama and Uncommitted in the aforementioned states? Answerr from any Clintonistas?

Posted by: tanaS | May 31, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

click below to see an unedited interview with a member of the DNC rules and bylaws committee:

http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/05/gonzalez-uncu-1.html

Posted by: tomabrahams | May 31, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Florida should count half since it doesnt help Pelosi's candidate. Who cares what the Jewish Retirees and the Cuban immigrants think. LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

If there are furious Clinton supporters who will not vote for a candidate without a uterus, they should then vote for McCain. The GOP needs you gal's help this fall. We need to fill Supreme Court justices with jurists like Alito, Scalia and Roberts. Now run and get me a beer, then iron my shirt.

Posted by: GonowHillaryGOGoGodGo! | May 31, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Does this country really need another dose of the Clintons.

Watch the Clinton Chronicles.. the video Hillary does not want you to see...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJpRnvSGr7k

Posted by: ObamaRocks | May 31, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

SENATOR CLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE FURIOUS WITH PELOSI, DEAN AND MAINSTREAM CABLE NEWS AS MILLIONS OF VOTERS HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE BIASED MEDIA EXCUSING RACIST ATTACKS. I URGE ALL TO BOYCOTT CNN AND MSNBC FOR MANIPULATING THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR TIME!!!!

WE DO NOT ACCEPT OBAMAS POLITICAL DAMAGE APOLOGY!!!

SHOCKING Obama words: what he really thinks of white folks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs

An Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back Decades
Just this Sunday Father Michael Pfleger (a longtime friend and associate of Senator Obama) mocked Hillary Clinton & AGAIN ATTACKED WHTE PEOPLE at Obama's church OF 20 PLUS YEARS.

"theres a whole lot of white people crying!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

http://www.dontvoteobama.net

Posted by: CLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE FURIOUS | May 31, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

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