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The Pre-Spin from West Virginia

Voters wait in line to enter St. Albans High School in St. Albans, W.Va., to cast their votes during primary election day. (Ricky Carioti / The Washington Post)

By Eli Saslow
Maybe it's a coincidence, but the venue for Sen. Hillary Clinton's election-night event sure looks tailored to a diminished campaign. Gone are the days of big crowds and bigger stadiums. She will speak tonight in the bowels of a downtown convention center in Charleston, W.Va., where two sets of bleachers will accommodate no more than a few hundred lucky supporters.

It's either an intimate setting or a depressing one, depending on interpretation. And tonight, interpretation is all that matters.

Clinton is a near lock to win West Virginia, because the electorate here caters to her strengths. Based on early exit polls reported by the Associated Press, voters in today's primary have been overwhelmingly white, as well as older and middle-class -- the exact demographic that supported Clinton in Ohio, Indiana and Pennsylvania. Clinton's campaign anticipates a victory speech not long after the polls close at 7:30 p.m. She will win. The bigger question is what such a win means.

The Clinton campaign interpretation: Every nominee has carried the West Virginia primary since 1976, and every Democratic president has won here since 1916. Sen. Barack Obama heavily staffed the state, outspent Clinton on local advertising and solicited some major endorsements. If Clinton can overcome all of that, she will "have once again proven her greater ability to win in the key swing states," her campaign said in a statement.

The Obama campaign interpretation: The overwhelming delegate advantage speaks for itself, and West Virginia's 28 delegates won't change the fundamental reality of the math. Obama hasn't publicly dismissed tonight's results, but his schedule betrays his sentiment. He's off campaigning in Missouri -- a state in which he already defeated Clinton, and a state he hopes to win again in the general election.

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I find it fascinating...surprising...and most of all, absolutely shocking that West Virginia voters, in exit polls, overwhelmingly said that race was an issue in making their decision in the Democratic primary election.

Have we really sunk this low as a nation (and a society), or have we actually never progressed as far as we previously thought with regard to race relations and the status of African Americans in our country?

I'd LOVE to hear from any of the--please pardon my strong language--racists from West Virginia who feel like race was an issue in casting a vote for Clinton over Obama in the primary. In other words, why does the simple color of a person's skin cause you to cast a vote for one person over another, even if you believe that the person with darker skin would inherently make a better leader/candidate?

Or, West Virginians, here's your chance to tell me that I have it all wrong, and prove to the world that you're as reasonable as we think you really are, and that it's really all an illusion: The populous of West Virginia is intelligent, progressive, and open to all races.

Posted by: Dutchy | May 14, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

IT'S OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Lady With The Pantsuit | May 14, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

this iz actual my first post and i must give kodos to the republican "blog/cyber operatives", who masquerade as either Clinton or Obama supporters. this hardworking and ever alert militants have succeded in polarising the Dems into two antagonistic factions from day one- helped by the intense media attention on the Dems. its a pity you Dems fell for it.. the media sensationalism( grossly amplifying the division) doesnt help the situation.. the sooner your party realise you are being played...............

Posted by: bluekasi | May 14, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Maybe she's still running because West Virginia put her in the lead again (+29,471) with the total popular vote.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 14, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

First, Hillary was expected to win WV and it's not suprising that she won but, it won't help the math problem that she is facing.

Obama is still the front runner and it really pointless for people to continue to be decieved by Hillary by misleading the voters that she is going to win the nomination, she has lost the superdelete lead and now she has no chance of catching Obama.

I really sad that people are supporting her, I think she is using these tatics to continue to divide the race black against white because she knows she can't win.

Obama will be the nominee regardless of what she trys to do, if her supporters won't vote for him so be it. If you can't look at the issues because your blinded by racism then Obama doesn't desever your vote.

Obama for President.

Posted by: Judy | May 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

First of all Hillary win in WV was expected since it's a blue collar state so her win was not suprising. What I don't get is why Hillary is still campainging like she has a chance to win the nomination Billary is decieving the voter's. I believe Hillary is trying to sabbatoge Obama so she can run against him in Novemeber this is her master plan. She wants to make the democratics be sorry they've elected Obama as the nominee.

Obama will win it's just a matter of time.

I really feel sorry for the Hillary supporter's because she is making false claims and your falling for it sink line and hook, and for all that refuse to voter for Obama you might as well vote for McCain and I hope you reap what you sow.

Obama for President

Posted by: Jacie | May 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Countdown to Victory
143 to 2025 Obama
311 to 2025 Clinton
433 Delegates Remain
239 Supers
194 Elected

How does WV remain 95% White Scarecrows?

Posted by: Delegate Math | May 14, 2008 6:17 AM | Report abuse

The logic of "any democratic nominee who has lost WV has lost the general" is false. Only white men have ever been elected president of the US before; does that mean that Clinton and Obama should both give up?

There are 50 states and I'm sure one can always find some interesting combination of statistical coincidences to make claims like this one. I'm sure one can find counties somewhere in the US which have been more successful in picking the party's nominee than WV, and I'm sure that some of them went to Obama, and some went to Clinton. This is just "The Bible Code" type nonsense.

The fact is that current polling shows Obama beating McCain in the general, even without taking WV.

Posted by: Jim Battle | May 14, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Everyone making a big deal out of Hillary's large win tonight have conveniently ignored Obama's following margins of victory since the primaries began:

75% - DC
67% - Georgia
65% - Illinois
64% - Virginia
61% - Mississippi
60% - Maryland
59% - Vermont
58% - Wisconsin
57% - Louisiana
57% - Utah
56% - North Carolina
56% - Alabama

...and 18 other victories over Clinton.

Now, tell me who is unelectable?

This whole furor over her win tonight is nothing but a media creation to prolong her win, while she recoups her campaign debt (as someone else pointed out as the reason for her scaling back the venue for her "victory" speech).

Barack Obama will be the nominee and will carry considerably less baggage than Senator Clinton would.

To those supposedly Democratic Clinton supporters who would vote for McCain instead of Obama in the general election, you should really take some time to reflect on the past 8 years of the Bush administration and ask yourself if you truly want that to continue with John McCain.

If your answer is yes, you have no business participating in the Democratic primaries in the first place.

Posted by: Will - OKC | May 14, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Everytime the Clintons get on stage, they know they are going to lie through their teeth. They know there is no hope for Hillary. But they get up on stage and ramble something for a few minutes. There is no truth in what she says. I wonder how many more people are gong to dip into their pockets to bail Hillary out of her debt.

Posted by: Vint Kelman | May 13, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright was not wrong and I can prove it.

Posted by: Mary | May 13, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

My advice to supporters of Billary is to GET OVER IT!!!! Hillary is
toast and you are wasting your time and money supporting the
Clintons. It is time to move on. If your threat is to vote for
McCain is real, then become a Republican. At least McCain and
Obama tell the truth. You cannot believe a Clinton.

Posted by: Steve White | May 13, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Both Bill & Hilary look dumb to spent more money on a presidential campaign whose results are already sealed. They look like Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber.

Posted by: Mary Rutger | May 13, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Yeah and 80% of those who voted in the primary today thought the fraudulent Gas Tax Holiday was a good idea that Hillary could "give them".

What morons. Not only can she not "give" them anything by this summer, the oil companies will just raise their prices to cover the tax.

Voters get nothing. Oil companies make more money. Hmmmmm who has ties to the Saudis who have invested millions into his charities...OH YEAH BILL CLINTON.

Think that 11 million dollar loan Hillary gave herself from their joint funds is a conflict of interest? Apparently Hillary doesnt think so. As a matter of fact when Hillary was asked about Bill's various trade dealings with other countries she has this insane response:

Posted by: Mary | May 13, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I love reading these posts by Obama supporters saying Clinton supporters are racists and uneducated. The arrogance and elitism of Obama voters is breathtaking. It will be entertaining to watch him lose in November. Sadly we have 3 lousy choices but Obama is the worst of the bunch.

Posted by: Franklin | May 13, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Despite what the Obama spin machine says -
tonight was a BIG deal. Hillary won by 37%?! Obama is unelectable. Obama will never carry WV in the genl election and no Dem has ever won the Presidency in 92 years without WV. Obama's goon supporters can keep calling white Hillary voters "racists and rednecks" but they will only make Clinton supporters angrier. These people will be crawling across glass to vote for McCain in November. They will not stay home either.

Posted by: Gerry | May 13, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

The fact that people are still talking about Rev. Wright shows how scared people are. Who's running Obama or Wright.

Is there any proof that Obama said or done anything that has gone against any of the things that he has been speaking about during this primary season? No. It's just a convenient excuse or reason to vote against Obama. Not on the issues or where he stands but because of his crazy preacher.

I am Catholic. Does this mean that I am partially responsible for the scandal in the church. It was no secret yet many Catholics continued to attend church. Why? To worship God.

Luckily for Obama, his supporters are savvy enough to believe in the distractions that are being put out there by others. While the media was covering Rev. Wright, it went unnoticed that April was one of the deadliest months for Americans and civilians in Iraq. How about the fact that the Pentagon paid military analyst to spin the war in their favor.

We need to keep our eyes on the ball and not allow another Republican into the White House otherwise we will be up sh*** creek.

Posted by: Jay, DC | May 13, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

All the ones cheering when OJ was found not guilty are voting for Obama, so are they racist or just exceeding stupid?

Posted by: jeff | May 13, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

It is simply not plausible for anyone to believe Barack Obama watched tapes of Reverend Wright in college (as he has admitted to doing), was a member of that church for 20 years, chose Reverend Wright to be his personal spiritual mentor for over 17 years where they held personal one on one conversations and yet, somehow, Wright never shared with Barack Obama what he has so willingly shared and literally sold on tapes to the entire world.

Americans don't need pundits to "tell us" what we can easily see for ourselves; Reverend Wright is completely incapable of censoring himself for 5 minutes much less 2 decades - yet Barack Obama still expects us to believe he never heard and wasn't aware of the true sentiments of Reverend Wright.

In spite of what Obama thinks, even white stupid bitter rednecks that Believe in God, loves this Nation, support the second Amendment, Article IV Section IV against Invasion, and the rule of Law, know this much:

When you take money out of your wallet and lay that money down for the same cause, week after week, month after month, year after year, for 20 HAVE endorsed and believe in the Message and you have most assuredly endorsed the MESSENGER.

For 20 years Obama has supported Reverend Wright and his Radical American Hating Racist Paranoid Rants, but now that he wants to be President he throws the man under the bus alone with his Grandmother. The question is just how bitter is Obama at whites, and what kind of man is he that is seeks to be President? It seems that with Obama Bull Sh-t Talks and Truth, Honestly and Character walks! Its time for American voters to throw Obama under the Bus!

The most significantly telling aspect of Senator Obama's press conference on Tuesday is that, once again, like the ABC debate, we witness a petulant and irritated Senator Obama; angry that he is being asked to take responsibility for the choices he has made regarding his personal and professional associations. Apparently Senator Obama believes his words are so magical that they alone should instantly be able to wipe clean 20 years of actions that directly contradict and disprove his excuses. Give me the names of any other politicians where we take them at their word alone. Good luck. Senator Obama decries that further questioning is "getting off message" while, conveniently, never connecting that a candidate's beliefs and character are every bit as much a part of "the message" as policy promises.

A few short weeks ago, in Philadelphia, Senator Obama hypnotized the world into believing his grandmother was racist, Geraldine Ferraro was a racist and the American public were racists, while completely ignoring the fact that the very reason everyone had gathered in that room was due to his decision to support an Extremist Black Agenda...for 20 years. He is now attempting once again to shift the blame for this crisis onto Reverend Wright by clinging to the excuse that the Wright of today differs drastically from the Wright who led him to Jesus. Does Senator Obama not realize that we can easily recall that it was not even one year ago that Senator Obama is seen on film lauding the "current" Reverend Wright at Hampton University as "a great leader, not just for Chicago, but for all over our country"? Does he not realize that we recall that it was only 4 short months ago that Senator Obama was so pleased with the "current" Reverend Wright, that he personally placed him on his Presidential Election Campaign through his "National African American Religious Leadership Committee"? He wasn't "disapproving" of the "current" Reverend Wright 4 months ago.

Reverend Wright is Reverend Wright; he espouses what he believes, like it or not and tapes reveal his message has remained constant. The change is not coming from Reverend Wright, the only change in this entire scenario is that Wright's message is no longer politically advantageous to Senator Obama and that is the only reason we have now seen a denouncement - after 20 years of full fledged acceptance and endorsement.

How long will Americans allow a top contender for President of the United States to repeatedly hide behind, "I didn't know" with regard to Wright, Rezko and so many other important issues and even more importantly what else do WE not know?

Posted by: Black Saint | May 13, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely appalling reading that West Virginia and Indiana Democrats voted for Mrs. Clinton because they are racist. What in heaven's name do you call the 90% blacks who voted for Obama in North Carolina? Loyalists, I suppose. Shame on all of you.

Posted by: rob | May 13, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting. Clinton is trying to claim that she can win these southern states by showing her performance in the primaries? Look at what conservative southern radio has to say.
While this particular commentator will not vote for Obama because of his "Liberal Stances" there are many many centrists who will. They will never, ever, vote for Hillary.

Posted by: Mary | May 13, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I have not yet heard the media "spin." But, without any spin at all, I can say that Hillary's oblique racism is why she won. Racists won't support people "not like them." If they had only realized Hillary is less "like them" than Obama they might have voted differently.

Obama is the best possible president in my 63 years. People of less education (low information voters) defeated Obama, though, along with the racists. If Hillary only had a soul, she might have already dropped out; but she doesn't give a damn about anyone, including the people of West Virginia, but herself and being president. After all Bill's presidency has already made her a multimillionaire in just 7 years.

Posted by: Mike | May 13, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse


Just for a good laugh, I went to OpEdNews and read that "article" by Evelyn Pringle you linked to. That bit of "investigative journalism" took some straw men, some boogeymen and some very creative fourth- and fifth-degree association, but still failed to deliver even common-sense proof, much less proof of the legal kind.

The Rezko trial has been going for 11 weeks. Gov. Rod Blagojevich will have some serious issues as a result of the prosecution's case against Rezko and the testimony of Stuart Levine.

Barack Obama? There's nothing there. The prosecution didn't even mention Obama in their opening statements - and the defense only mentioned him once.

There's probably more trouble from Rezko for Karl Rove than Obama. The government's been investigating this for over 7 years, the Chicago media's been on it for 6 years, and the national media has been on it for at least the last 16 months. The Clinton campaign has had an observer in the courtroom for the entire trial, and the Clintons have been looking for ANYTHING from Rezko to pin on Obama.

The sum total of all these investigations? Zero.

So, thanks for playing, and you can pick up your "Hillary for President" prize at the door. (Prize is free; tax and surcharges come to $2300. All checks should be made payable to Hillary for President.)

Posted by: BMR, Pittsburgh PA | May 13, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Nuffsaid- What are yaw going to do when I'm gone?

The Clintons, with Timothy Guithner worked with the Wall Street Banking groups to de-regulate the Banking Industry and created the housing Ponzi Scheme that has exploded!
The Same Clintons pushed through Exectutive order 13166-Push 2 for English, that made it a federal requirement for State and Community level Government Agencies cater to a Foreign language, and begin filling our Government Agencies with Hispanics able to do so! Since Firing the older employees was not an immediate option, duplication, and reverse discrimination blossomed!

Then, due to a Party defection Tom Daschle very effectively obstructed the Senate for two Years. The Economy Rebounded big time briefly after his removal(02-04), before fools with Short Memories put Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid in control to Foul things up again!(Last two years).

It was Al Gore and his attempt to re-write Election Rules and a Scorched Earth Politics 'Tude by Dimocrats, that began the nightmare of my last decade!

Then, realize, and try to comprehend with some memory: Bad Economy from IPO Busts. Bad Energy Market from Enron Busts(Republicans BUSTED THEM!), 911, Airlines devastated, Energy Grid Failures, Hurricanes, Afghanistan, Iraq, ....

I, would have NEVER run for the second Term Bush did. For all his faults, he is a bigger Man than Me! Al Gore, and John Kerry, were not up to the Challenges!

Posted by: RAT-The | May 13, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton is a near lock to win West Virginia, because the electorate here caters to her strengths. Based on early exit polls reported by the Associated Press, voters in today's primary have been overwhelmingly white, as well as older and middle-class -- the exact demographic that supported Clinton in Ohio, Indiana and Pennsylvania."

"exact demographic that supported Clinton in Ohio, Indiana and Pennsylvania"?........

Posted by: hometowner | May 13, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton is a near lock to win West Virginia, because the electorate here caters to her strengths. Based on early exit polls reported by the Associated Press, voters in today's primary have been overwhelmingly white, as well as older and middle-class -- the exact demographic that supported Clinton in Ohio, Indiana and Pennsylvania."

Here they are:

Posted by: Read This | May 13, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

So? Forrest Gerard

Posted by: Forrest Gerard | May 13, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse


"Far as I can tell, the far Left es no Bueno! Por que? Muy Loco en la Cabeza!"

Likewise for the right. Unlike the left, it's the GOP, who has controlled the legislature and the executive for the past decade, that has gotten us here (poor immigration policies, poor foreign policy, the decline of the dollar, housing market decline, etc). How you can have faith in the GOP is far beyond me.

As for the countries you list, just like the Latinos you make generalizations about, they are complicated nations that require a far more nuanced debate than can be given in this forum.

Posted by: Nuffsaid | May 13, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Is Hillary really going to blow out Obama by a 40-50 point margin? Did Obama ever acheive this in any of his primary victories? If not, and she does accomplish this, it will get alot of people thinking twice about his electability.

Posted by: May | May 13, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

independent raza girl,

As opposed to Clinton who has done such a stellar job in uniting the Democratic party? Or McCain who still hasn't convinced a large group of his base to vote for him? Each candidate has his/her faults. It's disingenuous to claim that Obama is worse off than Hillary or McCain.

Posted by: Nuffsaid | May 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

My personal opinion of Obama is that he appears to be a nice guy, with a checkered past. The main problem is his voting record. It's way to liberal for most of America, and that's were the problem lies come November.

If he were more of a moderate Democrat, or even a Republican, this guy would coast into the White House with the greatest of ease! We will all see, that his contest against McCain will be very difficult for him, and many states that the Dems need for his Presidency are now in peril because of his past doings, as well as his comments.

Hope for the best, but don't expect much)

Posted by: nice guy | May 13, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Nuffsaid-Fluent "Spanish"?

Do YOU "Lisp" your Z's like Peninsulars?

Again, I am used to Tex-Mex!

Now, what do you think of Places like Peru, Colombia, Panama, and Costa Rica, compared to Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Chile and Nicaragua?

Far as I can tell, the far Left es no Bueno!

Por que?

Muy Loco en la Cabeza!

Loony Left!

Posted by: RAT-The | May 13, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama will divide, but he will not conquer!

Posted by: independent raza girl | May 13, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse


Oh, and I'm of Latin decent and speak fluent Spanish. That's why I have the unmitigated gall to correct your Spanish.

Thanks for playing :-)

Posted by: Nuffsaid | May 13, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse


I am sorry to hear you have lost your company and now have to sell cars. In the process, however, I hope you do not make use of the "socialist" welfare system you so adamantly decry. Clearly capitalist forces have deemed it necessary to place you in a different job. The market doesn't lie.

Posted by: Nuffsaid | May 13, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Frankie and kase:

Robert F. Kennedy campaigned for those "goobers" once upon a time too ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Nuffsaid-LOL! :-D

Where do you live?

The "Mexican" spoken on the Texas Border is about as different from the Mexican slang spoken on the California Border, as New York gibberish is different from California "American".

You CANNOT translate Mexican Literally! BS in American, is Caca de Vaca in Spanish!(Mexican).

BOTH are what the World Labor Party is promising!

I want REAL Change! It is NEVER going to happen from ANYTHING affiliated with Teddy Kennedy and Tom Daschle(Barry's Mentors and Masters).

Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee are OUTSIDE Washington! Together, They MIGHT actually pave a new road that might eventually actually go someplace New!

Me, I have already Lost my Company, and am about to sell Cars. I actually now can view the idiocy as beneficial!

High Gas Prices means everyone sells Gas guzzlers, and buys Efficiencies!

I make Money on Both Sides! :-)

In a way, the joke is on WaPo for ex'ing me. I am about to NOT CARE ANYMORE!

I can relate to Mitt Romney, he was also not appreciated! BUT, it AIN'T OVER YET!

Seems we are STILL around! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 13, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I was amazed by the photo caption on your web page that says-
"West Virginians wait to cast their vote at a high school in St. Albans on Tuesday morning."

There are high schools in West Virginia?

Posted by: kase | May 13, 2008 7:33 PM

Only the Elitists can vote there. Others do so in the cave behind the Waffle House.

Posted by: Franky | May 13, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

The way things are going you would think Hillary would rather McCain win and she get another shot in 4 more years.

Based on the size of the Clinton's egos it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I was amazed by the photo caption on your web page that says-
"West Virginians wait to cast their vote at a high school in St. Albans on Tuesday morning."

There are high schools in West Virginia?

Posted by: kase | May 13, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse


Hillary Wins 100% of WV.
Obama wins nomination.

Posted by: DontReadMe | May 13, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Unity. That is what the Republicans will focus upon in the election. And, it won't matter whether Obama, Hillary or Mickey Mouse is on the ticket.

Instead of a united Democratic party as a competitor for which they will need to debate *the issues* - the Republicans will just focus on this end-game nomination circus of division.

And, it's Clinton fault.

Thanks, Hill.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

JakeD & RAT-The ---

You guys should get a room. (or at least a wide-stance bathroom stall!)

Posted by: Sally | May 13, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

CNN just called West Virginia for Hillary DIANE Clinton -- a huge blowout -- looks like it will be a bigger margain than for Obama in North Carolina!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

In spite of what Obama thinks, even white stupid bitter rednecks that Believe in God, loves this Nation, support the second Amendment, Article IV Section IV against Invasion, and the rule of Law, know this much:

When you take money out of your wallet and lay that money down for the same cause, week after week, month after month, year after year, for 20 HAVE endorsed and believe in the Message and you have most assuredly endorsed the MESSENGER.

For 20 years Obama has supported Reverend Wright and his Radical American Hating Racist Paranoid Rants, but now that he wants to be President he throws the man under the bus alone with his Grandmother. The question is just how bitter is Obama at whites, and what kind of man is he that is seeks to be President? It seems that with Obama Bull Sh-t Talks and Truth, Honestly and Character walks! Its time for American voters to throw Obama under the Bus!

Posted by: Black Saint | May 13, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse


So you support the party that has essentially turned its back on you and the positions you happen to hold dear. And what's your basis for thinking Republicans will deliver if they win this next election? If they haven't done so these last 12 years, as you put it, what makes you think they will in the next four? And while the immigration issue is legitimate, aren't there other serious issues that Republicans have failed to deliver on that should also be of concern to the electorate? I don't understand one-issue voters. Their views are myopic insofar as they ignore a vast array of issues that are of serious concern as well.

PS - If you're going to translate Spanish, I suggest you get it right. "No creo YO!" translates to "I do not believe so!", not "I do not think so!" Don't use another language if you don't know it.

Posted by: Nuffsaid | May 13, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

And on the Seventh Day, I Paused to Rest(In a Room).

And in doing so produced:

Libbies-The Dingleberries of Politics,

And Steve Boyington!

Posted by: ALMIGHTY -The ;-) | May 13, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

W.Va. exit polls show division among Dems

Almost as many of Hillary DIANE Clinton's West Virginia supporters would vote for John SIDNEY McCain as would for Barack HUSSEIN Obama in November, exit polls show. A big win for Clinton in the state today could raise doubts about Obama's electability. full story:

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I believe this is the fat-headed lady singing....for a $20mil tip.

Posted by: Franky | May 13, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse


I don't put that much stake in a person's middle name either -- I already know the policy positions -- so, it was simply an honest question : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Nuffsaid-Consider this:

I am a Conservative, and by force, a RepubliCAN. I am Mostly a Right wing Capitalist.

Bush the Moron, is GONE!(Soon, thank Allah!).

I am the FUTURE(Hopefully).

I am out to support Large Federal Enforcement Agencies to get rid of the Invaders causing so many new Federal Socialism Agencies!

Think of it as an expansion to cause a Reduction! Jobs, to save American's Jobs! Lifestyles. Communities. Standards. And more!

Juan McSame/Amnesty-No creo YO!(I don't think so!) ;~)

Yeah, the last 13 Years have been from Hell!

Posted by: RAT-The | May 13, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse


I watched that movie "Bobby" last night and there was file footage of Robert F. Kennedy campaigning in Dogpatch, etc. Hard to say what could have happened if he hadn't been forced to quit the race too ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse


Unlike you, I don't put that much stake in a person's middle name. I prefer to look at policy positions to figure out whether they'd make a good representative. I know, it's crazy.

Posted by: Nuffsaid | May 13, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse


And I'd put it to you that the small government compassionate GOP party is also GONE. Perhaps we lost the memo that informed us of this change.

Thanks for living in a static universe and decrying the by-gone days when all was wholesome and good in our country.

Posted by: Nuffsaid | May 13, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Actually, JakeD, I'm not a troll. I actually am working a job. So there's a good chance I won't see a response. But I will check out your question.

As for Hillary's Millions -- if she and Bill MADE $110 Million, some $40 million or so went to taxes (I'm pretty sure that was before tax income, though someone correct me if I am wrong). So that's $10 million out of $70 million. $10 million here, $10 million there, it adds up ... and again, the life on the road (let me be kind here ) sucks. C'mon, you're going from a mansion in Kalorama (near my old neighborhood, if you don't know, it's REALLY nice) and Westchester to stay in a Days Inn (IF you're lucky) in Dogpatch, WV? And then next week it's Kentucky? And THESE are your "people"? You're losing because God thinned the herd before they could vote for you in the primary?

Nope, sorry -- I'm not blowing $10 million (and she's $20 million in debt) to make sure goobers I don't even know, would never otherwise meet and who, ordinarily, I'd cross the street to avoid "have their votes counted."* I'm doing auditions for the porno I'm casting. I'm living that Charlie Sheen life!

*Did you see the pictures of her up close with the WV electorate? She could not have looked more uncomfortable.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse


I suspect that I am watching MS-01 just as closely as you are -- Go Greg Davis!!! Do you know his middle name though?

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Nuffsaid-Ahhh, the limited attention Span of the Libbies.

What I was saying, is the American Democratic Party of John F. Kennedy, is GONE. Teddy and Soros's World Labor Party is Now the Party!

They should be decent enough to Change the Name! I suggest:

Dimocrat Socialist Party! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 13, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

So WV votes late in the primary, when there is usually already a presumptive Democratic nominee. It doesn't forecast anything about the general election, there's just (usually) no other Democrat left by the time WV votes.

WV demographics play to Clinton's strengths. Of course she'll win their primary. That does NOT mean that Clinton (or Obama) would beat McCain in WV in November - or need to, to win the White House.

WV has become reliably Republican over the last decade. Why should we care about it? Let's move on to the general election, please.

Posted by: Aelfric | May 13, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse


Stating facts with regard to Senate/House seats lost, putting aside the expected Senate seat loss this evening. As for the GOP mood, also readily reported by the media.

As for the the quote, very original.

Posted by: Nuffsaid | May 13, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to gbooksdc: I also posed a question to you on the most recent "Fact Checker" thread ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse


"Don't count your chickens before they come home to roost." Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse


WV is little more than half the size of either OR or KY.

Guess why she's ahead in WV. She's been preaching that he cannot win the fall. And why can he not win? He's a better speaker, ran a better campaign, has shown better judgment and more principles. Well, she'll never say it, but there's something about him that many WV and KY voters find off-putting. So do voters in lots of other states; it's just not so obvious there.

If she had never begun the unelectable argument, things might have been a great deal better for the party now. But she did. Now, we all have to live with it. Only, we don't have to live with her after June 3.


Posted by: Harry, Los Angeles, CA | May 13, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The MSM didn't give much weight to the Mississippi primary results, because they knew it was going to be an Obama landslide.

But the MSM is trying to push West Virginia as a big deal or some sort of surprise. Come on.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The whole point of Clinton's campaign from here on is to recoup their $20 million debt from supporters' donations and pay off their consultants and themselves. So it makes sense to reduce their outlay to a minimum. Thus the small venue.

Posted by: kenonwenu | May 13, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Voter for the Leader, Vote for Obama

Posted by: Scott | May 13, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Well, gbooksdc, if I were a youngster again, Senator from the great State of New York, worth $109 million and running for President of the United States, I wouldn't mind blowing $10 million here or there on the campaign (I waste plenty of time here just talking about it ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

This just shows that Obama does not have the temperament to be an effective leader.

A true leader, no matter how far ahead, will continue to play offense and fighting for every vote he or she can get, especially in a battle ground state like West Virginia.

And guess what? Obama went to Florida and Michigan. Voters in West Virginia certainly do not appreciate the slight. While voters in Florida and Michigan were insulted: Obama, you just pushed to ignore the 2.5 million votes casted here.

That's why Obama can not win in November. If he gets the Democratic nomination, it's all becasue of the support of the black voters. In the process, he alienated the white voters (Calling Bill Clinton a racist is way out of line). In general election, there simply aren't enugh black voters out there.

The "race card" Obama played in South Carolina is going to come back and haunt Obama for the rest of his political career. After the "Obama disaster" this November, Obama will have problem in his senatorial re-election campaign in two years.

By then, Michelle Obama will not "like" American, again, just as she used to.

Posted by: Gy | May 13, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse


Your claims that the Democratic party is over are laughable. Need I remind you that the GOP has already lost two House seats in a very conservative area of the deep south, an area that has been republican for over a decade. Oh yea, and they expect to lose yet another Senate seat today. I hate to break it to you, but it's the GOP that's in real trouble.

Read it and weep:

Posted by: Nuffsaid | May 13, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Of course Hillary's win among the rural uneducated Whites of WVa is not meaningless. It means that she can ONLY win those states that go Democratic anyway no matter who is the candidate.

Posted by: Bodo | May 13, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone in the whole world has been anxiously anticipating the West Virginia primary for years, if not decades. I am surprised they even hold contests in other states. Certainly the national popular vote lead, the delegate lead, the fundraising lead mean NOTHING when compared to a victory in West Virginia.

Posted by: steve boyington | May 13, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

steve boyington:

That's one think I don't wonder about at all.

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse


It ain't over until the _CREDITORS OF THE_ lady in the pantsuit says it's over.

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 6:16 PM


Speaking of which, if YOU had $20 million, would you blow it on a losing campaign, or would you be investing in strippers and hookers? I mean really, if your choices are (a) traveling the nation speaking to goobers, staying in second rate hotels (some places, the Days Inn is as good as it gets, especially in rural W. Va.) and eating whatever you can get to carry out, or (b) eating at the best restaurants, with a nice wine, in between bouts with lovely women, under the influence of the finest hallucinogens known to man (and no, West Va. bathtub meth does not count)? Cuz I'm definitely down with choice (b), and that Hillary is going with (a) makes me doubt her sanity, and thus, suitability for the office.

Or maybe, for the Clintons, it's not an either or proposition ...

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 13, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering why Indiana (38 delegates for her and 34 delegates for him) was such a big deal for the Obama campaign when it turned out to be such a close vote, but West Virginia (with 39 total delegates) is not?

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else wonder what RAT-the and JakeD do in non-election years? My bet is head down to the mall and grumble about kids nowadays or get wheeled over to an unemployment office to heckle everyone going in or coming out.

My guess is about as many folks listen to them there as on these boards.

Posted by: steve boyington | May 13, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Her middle name is Hillary DIANE Clinton ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse


It ain't over until the lady in the pantsuit says it's over."

her name is hillary rodham clinton

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

We already know the result will be about a 30 point win fir Hillary, so there's no shocker tonight. No surprise 50+ margin for her, no big move for Obama. And not much left to spin for the Clinton camp. This doesn't cut in on Obama's pledged lead and certainly won't sway super's.

Posted by: matt | May 13, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Predicated upon my observations the entire American liberal Press, not limited to but rather including personally ambitious T.V. commentators ,are collectively suffering the serious political pariphillia of premature political ejaculation!They have stated the opinion and now their collectively stuck with it!How embarrassing for the elitist with hugh enormous brains! It must be difficult to haul these monsters around everyday The war for this nomination is far from over! When the election math numbers are as close as they presently exhibit; super delegates realize that each candidates constituency is vitally necessary to capture if the democrats intend to capture the white house in the fall! One cannot win without the other!

Posted by: H.L. Mencken | May 13, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Just Turn out those Lights, the Democratic Party is Over!

Down in the Gutter, the "New" DIMocrat Socialist Party is Partying it up!

Hopefully, Kennedy, Soros, Reid, Pelosi, and so many of the other OLD Masters of the Puppet "Empty Suit", will celebrate too much, and give ME a Reason to celebrate!

Posted by: RAT-The | May 13, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Of course the media will spin it as negative despite a Clinton win. But don't celebrate Obama's nomination too early. There is more to Obama's involvement in the Rezko case than meets the eye:

You can bet we will be hearing more about this.

It's going to turn out like Obama's denying he knew what Wright was preaching despite sitting in his church for 20+ years.

Except in the Rezko's case, it is criminal activity not simply poor judgment and political expediency.

Posted by: alee2 | May 13, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse


It ain't over until the lady in the pantsuit says it's over.

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

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