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Under Fire, Obama Returns to Basics


Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) speaks during a news conference in Indianapolis, Friday, May 2, 2008. (Associated Press)

By Peter Slevin
INDIANAPOLIS -- Entering the final weekend before polls open in Indiana and North Carolina on Tuesday, Sen. Barack Obama explained his recent back-to-basics approach as he works to recover from what he called "a couple of rough weeks."

Obama is seeking to reassure supporters and undecided voters alike that he remains the confident front-runner who swept to impressive victories in states as varied as Virginia, Mississippi, Wisconsin and Wyoming -- and not the candidate who has more recently been knocked off his game.

Mindful that polls show voter doubts rising even as the Illinois senator maintains a strong delegate lead over Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama is sounding notes about his campaign biography and his mantras of change, honesty and accountability that would be familiar to audiences in Iowa and other states that gave him his early momentum.

The reasons are clear, stretching from primary results to campaign trail questions.

Yesterday, a voter asked about a widely circulating but false allegation that he does not pledge allegiance to the U.S. flag. For days, pundits, skeptics and his political rivals have asked whether his association with the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., his former pastor, makes him unqualified to be president.

"I think it is very relevant for voters to figure out. Is this somebody they can trust? Is this somebody who's going to fight for them? Is this somebody who cares about the same things they do?" Obama asked at a downtown press conference here this morning. "Not only my words have shown, but my actions have shown, over the last 20 years, that my values and my ideals and my character are geared toward helping others."

Obama told reporters that his campaign took stock and decided he needed further introduction. This led to the strategy he has used in more than a dozen stops in Indiana and North Carolina since Monday. Apart from large get out the vote rallies in Chapel Hill, N.C., and Bloomington, Ind., he has kept the settings smaller and more intimate, always taking questions from the audience.

"When you're running for president, you make certain assumptions that people after 15 months really know who you are," Obama said. "Then you realize, well, maybe there's still a whole bunch of folks who don't know who you are, despite the fact you're on TV every day.

"And so I think it's really important for me to make sure that we're out there as much as possible and people get a chance to talk to me," said Obama, who will spend an hour on NBC's "Meet The Press" on Sunday. "I want to find as many venues as possible where people can lift the hood and kick the tires, so that they feel confident about why I'm in this race, who I'm fighting for, what my plans are as president of the United States."

Before taking questions, Obama spoke of troubles in the economy and defended his opposition to the federal gas tax holiday proposed by Clinton and Sen. John McCain. He said the economic news of further joblessness was troubling but not surprising.

The gas tax proposal, he said, is a "political stunt."

Obama, who picked up the endorsement of former Democratic Party chair and superdelegate Paul G. Kirk Jr., was scheduled to appear at a town hall session in a Munster, Ind., steel company before flying to North Carolina for two events. He will overnight at his Chicago home and return to Indiana on Saturday morning.

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-----This Summer he won-----

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 7, 2008 5:03 AM | Report abuse

We need Safire to explain women's issues? Not in my lifetime. Would the real Barack Obama PLEASE STAND UP, PLEASE STAND UP. "I never heard anything like what Wright said in those snippets of video." You can't be around a preacher who believes in separatism with his whole heart and not absorb those hate-filled and hateful things. This is a politician who wants you to believe that he grew up in the projects. As a matter of fact, thanks to one of many "scholarships," Obama graduated from the richest prep school in Hawaii, Columbia U and Harvard Law, won state senator by default, won US Senator nearly the same way, and spent 18 months in office before deciding on the "audacity" of becoming President with no more experience than that. This is not a pickup basketball game. These circumstances are our lives. Let's get serious and choose someone with the experience to clean up the Bush sewage.

Posted by: Who You Callin' A Liar? | May 4, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

This is a tough one:

Should Obama encourage Hillary's supporters to not give up so that the Democratic party can continue to register new voters?

Should he encourage people to believe that the contest is truly up for grabs so that he can keep his new supporters motivated to vote?

I think it is obvious that our next President will mostly likely be Barrack Obama. He will be the first black president of the Untied States for the following 5 reasons:

1) the Iraq war was wrong, costly, and now unpopular. voters will throw the hawks out.

2) the economy and consumer confidence are hurting. voters will throw the bumbs out.

3) We have enough post-60's voters now where many more voters can see right through race-baiting commercials. By the time of the nomination they will see through the attacks against Obama calling him a Muslim AND a Christian extremist.

4) Huckabee... I mean, Hillary did not pick up the delegates she needed in Texas or Ohio or Pennsylvania (states that vafored her) and even lost delegates in Texas. She lost a long time ago when her advisers led her to diaster on 10 cotests in a row following super tuesday.

5) Obama continues to inspire new ovters and those of us who are tired of 16 years of bushes and clintons. Let's give a candidate who has earned their way up a chance for a change.


Posted by: eljefejesus | May 3, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

From Kyle Anne Shiber part 2- read part 1 first:

"On the other hand, Clinton is a Democrat, and unfortunately, it looks as though they are about to foist her upon the rest of us. William Saffire, in his 1/8/96 NYT editorial, "Blizzard of Lies," cut straight to the chase with a great deal of prescience, when he wrote:

"Americans of all political persuasions are coming to the sad realization that our First Lady (Hillary Rodham Clinton) - a woman of undoubted talents who was a role model for many in her generation - is a congenital liar."
So, let it be said from my all-female mouth now and on the record: If Hillary Clinton is elected as President of the United States, it will set the cause of any sort of feminism back for at least 250 years. Whether we like it or not, she will be the "ruler" by which future female candidates are measured. And she will be judged for the woman she is - not for the man she isn't.

So, just for a moment try to forget Travelgate (cronyism at its vile lowest), Whitewater (phony S&L scheme that cost taxpayers $4 million), campcon (FBI investigation into illegal Chinese government political contributions to Clintons and DNC), Monica-gate (don't even go there), and Pardongate (the final-hour pardons granted by the Clinton "Co-Presidency," including a host of Clinton & Rodham relatives, friends and big contributors). Just forget all about those little "problems" with Hillary's integrity, and think about some of the petty stuff.

Let's take the matter of her faith. You know, the faith that she says sustained her during Monica-gate. Now, I know a lot of Methodists with pretty strong beliefs in Jesus Christ. Yet, I don't believe I've ever heard any of them espousing the benefits of "channeling" the spirits of dead people for guidance. It was Bob Woodward (THE CHOICE) who revealed Hillary's desire to commune with Eleanor Roosevelt in this manner, and that new-age person of note, Jean Houston, facilitated the "conversation." So, when she says that her "faith" got her through "it," is she referring to her faith in God or her faith in Eleanor Roosevelt? Actually, Eleanor Roosevelt would know a thing or two about philandering husbands, but isn't Hillary, devout Methodist that she claims to be, aware that séances are deemed part of the occult (Satan's province) and strictly off-limits for Christians? Seems like a no-brainer to me. So, I'm not too impressed with those "faith" credentials.

Another thing that concerns me - again, this might be construed as petty - is how she has dealt with her husband, Bubba. According to every single book I have read on Mrs. Clinton, she was fully aware of his predilection for rampant promiscuity all the way through their relationship. During courtship. While they were living together out of wedlock. After they married and became the first couple of Arkansas. Through the Presidential elections of 1992 and 1996. Why, according to the volumes that have been written on this one subject alone, there was nary a soul in Arkansas political/business/legal circles that didn't know of the boy Governor's proclivities for "special encounters" with the opposite sex. Of course, Hillary knew; she's no idiot. Obviously, she knew and she didn't care. But she knew that we the public cared about the character - or lack thereof - of our President. So, she lied about not knowing.

And besides the bald-faced lying, here's what rubs me the wrong way. Hillary Clinton's thirst for power has been so great that she has knowingly trampled the feelings and rights of all the women she called "Bimbos," enabled an out-of-control man to escape due punishment, and now dares to play the long-suffering, loving wife with no thought to the real-life consequences borne by all the "other" women that litter the roadside of Bill Clinton's life.

This one issue alone invalidates any claim she ever had to the real Women's vote. Her cadre of elite feminist loyalists can clamor all they wish for solidarity of the "sisterhood," but I don't know a single woman over the age of 18 who is buying it. If Hillary Clinton gave one whit for the respectability of women, she would have trounced Billy boy a long, long, long, long time ago.

And why on earth would an educated electorate buy the simpleminded notion that a woman who cannot even stop a philandering husband from, well, philandering, could ever stop terrorists from, well, terrorizing? Surely, we are too smart to trust this woman with her little manicured finger on the "A-bomb" button.

If not, then we probably deserve what we will get from her. If you have real questions at this point about what that would be, get yourself a copy of Rules for Radicals, by the infamous Saul Alinsky, the left-wing guru of ethical relativity, an avowed means-justify-the-ends Marxist, who was the topic of Hillary's senior thesis at Wellesley. Don't bother trying to get a copy of her paper, though; it's sealed up, though a purported bootleg copy made it onto the web. I have been unable to verify if it is genuine.

I would give just about anything to be able - in good conscience - to vote for a woman for President. Just not this particular woman. She doesn't even know who she is anymore. How could she possibly know who we are? She thinks we are the means to her end. That's all her idea of "sisterhood" has ever been.

It's all about her. And only her"

Posted by: Darlene | May 3, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

From Kyle Anne Shiver part 1

"From Kyle Anne Shiver:

"Most especially as a woman, I have become more and more concerned that Hillary Rodham Clinton just might be elected as the first female President of the United States in 2008. And that possibility curls my hair, dangerously accelerates my heartbeat and sends shivers down my spine.

I have been following Hillary's "life" since she first made a blip on the national radar during the 1992 election. Back then, my own perception of her was that she was kind of pert, sort of pretty, and that she might even be slightly smarter than that absolutely charming husband of hers - the candidate. When I learned that she had her own Yale law degree and that they were being billed as the "two-for-one" presidency, I actually thought to myself that it might be a good deal for the taxpayers. Pay one President; get two. I do always try to give a new President - and First Lady - the benefit of the doubt, as due respect for our Republic and the electorate dictates.

But that was 15 years ago. In that time, I've read six biographies of Hillary (4 admittedly unfavorable, 1 gushingly favorable, and 1 supposedly neutral). With such a preponderance of damning evidence against her already widely disseminated, it strikes me as more than a little strange that this woman is not in prison or a mental institution. That she has managed to remain not only free, but center-stage in the Democratic Party and a Senator from an "adopted" state is an indictment of our press and her Party. If she succeeds in lying and manipulating her way into the White House, it will be an indictment of us all.

Even Carl Bernstein admits (A Woman in Charge; Knopf; 2007; p. 554) that Mrs. Clinton is the human equivalent of a chameleon, changing her colors and her story to suit her audience:
"As Hillary has continued to speak from the protective shell of her own making, and packaged herself for the widest possible consumption, she has misrepresented not just facts but often her essential self." (emphasis mine)
In real life - as opposed to fairytales - misrepresenting facts is called "lying." Constantly changing yourself (and your "truth") according to the company you are in is called "a lack of integrity." A lack of integrity is considered by most normal folks to be a glaring character defect. Now, if even Carl Bernstein is able to admit that Hillary is a liar and has a substantial lack of integrity, why would we even elect her POTUS?"

Posted by: Darlene | May 3, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Have we all gone completely insane? Our country is losing loyal soldiers daily in a nightmare civil war in Iraq. Our economy is faltering. Our roads, bridges, and schools are crumbling apart. nearly 50,000,000 Americans do not have health care- and we are totally obsesesed with a black man who preaches on Sunday in south Chicago. It's like he was running for President or something. Personally, I never paid much attention to the sermons when I grew up as a Catholic. I went once a week to mass, and then proceeded to learn my values from my parents, and by observing how other good people conducted themselves. The hate I see spewing here is just incredible. I haven't seen such a display since John Kennedy ran against Tricky Dick Nixon in 1960.

Indeed, Kennedy had to spend many days explaining that he would not conduct the Pope's business.

If the internet and the mass media had been so dominate in those days, Kennedy would never had a chance to win the election. These hate mongers that are spewing their lies and distortions would have been saying: How can you vote for a man that belongs to a Church that conducted the Spanish Inquisition and killed thousands of Jews? How can you vote for a man who knowlingly attended a Church for 40 years that taught that only Catholics could go to heaven, and that unbaptized little children would also not be able to go to heaven either? How can you vote for a man that belonged to a church that practised genocide on native American people? How can you vote for a man that belonged to a church that knew about the holocaust and did nothing?

Guilt by association. I've known some very hateful people in my life. While serving in the military, I heard the most vile and despicable racial rants many times. I did not turn my back on these people, but chose to try to change their hearts and minds by reasoned argument and by setting a good example.

Barack Obama has done the same thing his entire life. He has listened to people of all colors and race, and has tried to bring them together. I think that is what disturbs the haters the most. Divide and conquer.
The Clintons learned that lesson well, but now it is time for change to a new way of thinking and doing politics. Out with the special interest groups that control Washington. Allow a good man, Senator Obama, to bring the grassroots of America back into the place where it belongs. Government for the people, and by the people. Pretty radical concept isn't it?

Hopefully the Clinton smear machine will not be successful this time.

Not this time.

Posted by: Elizabeth | May 3, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: Obama defended Kerry and Edwards on the exact same vote because he is a hypocrite, and like his "mentor and spiritual adviser," Rev. Wright said, he will say what he has to say to get elected. By the way, Obama's whole narrative about him opposing the war from the beginning is BS. Yes, he gave a "speech" critical of an invasion of Iraq in 2002; by 2003 that speech was off his website (he said it was "dated"); by 2004 in an interview, he admitted that he didn't know how he would have voted on the Iraq resolution; by 2004 he also said that there was no difference at that stage between his position and that of George Bush on the war; and after elected to the Senate, his voting record on the war was virtually identical to that of Hillary Clinton. So much for continual opposition. Yet another lie from the agent of "change" and "unity" (speaking of which, his entrance in this election process has really unified the party, hasn't it? I'm joking . . . )

Posted by: James | May 3, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Why did Obama DEFEND Kerry and Edwards same exact vote in 2004?

Posted by: JakeD | May 3, 2008 5:32 AM | Report abuse

Please scroll up and read the post from Young at Heart at 1:37PM. It is the most articulate and thoughtful post I've read on any blog for weeks. At a time when we are in a senseless war, which Sen. Clinton voted to authorize without first reading the NIE, and our standing in the world has fallen dramatically, we desperately need a diplomat, not someone who will threaten to obliterate an entire country. In case anyone doesn't know, I'm referring to Sen. Clinton's comment. Once again, she has not read the NIE on this matter.

Posted by: CarrieG1 | May 3, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

This one is funny:
VIDEO OF OBAMA APPROVING RUMSFELD AND OTHER BUSH APPOINTEES
http://tinyurl.com/528yrl

Posted by: Fred | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

This one is funny:
VIDEO OF OBAMA APPROVING RUMSFELD AND OTHER BUSH APPOINTEES
http://tinyurl.com/528yrl

Posted by: Fred | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA HAS NEVER REPRESENTED "CHANGE" IN POLITICS. IF YOU DARE, SEE HOW OBAMA OBTAINED HIS FIRST ELECTIVE OFFICE: Chicago Sun-Times--A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: Obama, who runs on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless, first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it. Alice Palmer, friend and mentor to Obama, served the district in the Illinois Senate for much of the 1990s. Decades earlier, she was a community organizer in the area when Obama was growing up in Hawaii. She risked her safe seat to run for Congress and touted Obama as a suitable successor. But when Palmer lost the congressional race, her supporters asked Obama to fold his campaign so she could easily retain her state Senate seat. Obama not only refused to step aside for the woman who was his friend and had recommended him for the seat, he filed challenges that nullified Palmer's hastily gathered nominating petitions, forcing her to withdraw. Had Palmer survived the petition challenge, Obama would have faced the daunting task of taking on an incumbent senator. "He wondered if we should knock everybody off the ballot. How would that look?" said Ronald Davis, the paid Obama campaign consultant whom Obama referred to as his "guru of petitions." Davis filed objections to all four of Obama's Democratic rivals at the candidate's behest. All other candidates were disposed of by Obama's challenges. He then went on to win the election.

http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte

Posted by: Fred | May 2, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA REQUESTS $1,000,000 EARMARK FOR HOSPITAL WHERE WIFE MICHELE OBAMA IS ADMINISTRATOR; MICHELE OBAMA'S SALARY IS ALMOST TRIPLED SHORTLY THEREAFTER
http://tinyurl.com/38tz3q

Posted by: Fred | May 2, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

A VERY GOOD ARTICLE FROM THE PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER ABOUT OBAMA PLAYING THE RACE CARD:
http://tinyurl.com/3cxskw

Posted by: Fred | May 2, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants to focus on anything but his own character and judgment. He cannot erase a 20-year relationship with a racist and anti-American pastor who he considered to be his "mentor and spiritual adviser," by merely making a public denunciation required by his falling poll numbers. This transparent gesture won't fool anyone but his most ardent supporters. The press has really let us down regarding Obama by not vetting him sooner. Perhaps they will make up for it by investigating the nature of Obama's religion; black liberation theology. Why? Because anyone who would subscribe to such a racist theology for 20 years, is not fit to be President of the United States. Rev. Wright cites James Cone as his theological mentor regarding the theology Obama has been soaking up for the last 20 years. Here, in his own words, is James Cone's description of Obama's so-called religion:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

Posted by: Fred | May 2, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

To anyone else like Mulu, the RULES you agreed to abide by in posting here state (in part):

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/delphi/delphirules.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Some of you Obamanics sure are quick with the personal (and anonymous) attacks, in violation of RULES governing commentaries and discussions here. For the record, I am not a "racist" or a member of the KKK. If you don't believe me, ask "whatmeregister" or see his / her post, above, at 2:26 PM.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

If the sheet fits . . .

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Mulu:

Are you implying I belong to the KKK?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow! The KKK are having a feast on this post today.

Posted by: Mulu | May 2, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

whatmeregister:

EXACTLY!!! New York City and Los Angeles / San Francisco are in BLUE States (until McCain wins them back, if that's what you meant). So, how would Darth Cheney set off those nukes?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!

It's time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her Pennsylvania victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources.

But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

Hillary Clinton say's that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton's have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

Sen. Hillary Clinton: "You know, more people have now voted for me than have voted for my opponent. In fact, I now have more votes than anybody has ever had in a primary contest for a nomination. And it's also clear that we've got nine more important contests to go."

Sincerely

Jacksmith... Working Class :-)

Posted by: jacksmith | May 2, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

I think I found where you got confused (at least once). Up above I said "I don't believe that Obama is a secret Musling" but you have to admit (a) "Musling" is a different word than (b) "Muslim" (they are close to each other in the Dictionary, though, so maybe that's what threw you ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Dick Cheney's plan won't be much of a help. His only targets the blue states.

For the moment.

Posted by: whatmeregister | May 2, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Phil:

Are you still out there (or, are you visiting Brittney Spears again)? If you see this, I would really be interested in what you think would be an "easier" way for the President to nuke American cities? If it helps, imagine Dick Cheney trying to come up with a plan ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

WHEW!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, I checked with Sgt. Slaughter and he said only 'some' of the gasoline comes from Muslim countries. Thank goodness. Sorry for almost giving you a heart attack ;)

Elementary my dear JakeD. . .

Posted by: Sherlock Holmes | May 2, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Ok jacksmith. I guess we're all idiots then. So are you telling me to vote for Hillary or Bill?

Posted by: Idiot | May 2, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Sherlock Holmes:

Canada and Mexico are MUSLIM countries?! This is worse than I imagined ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

MY FELLOW "BITTER", STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE :-)

If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...

OBAMA AIDE: "WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS" :o

DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!...

Posted by: jacksmith | May 2, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

whatmeregister:

Very funny.

Mason:

I did not call BHO a muslim extremist, so I can hardly call him a muslim extremist AGAIN! Please stop claiming differently (or quote where you think I stated that so I can explain). Neither do I see terrorists in behind every lamppost, nor anthrax in every mailbox.

What I have ASKED QUESTIONS about are (1) whether he is lying about being a Christian and really a Muslim extremist, or alternatively (2) if he's not lying, was he brainwashed as a child to follow this very path to the White House and is nonetheless under the control of Muslim extremists?

For the last time, neither of those two QUESTIONS are the same as saying "I know, for a fact, that Barack Obama is a Muslim extremeist." I really don't know how much simpler I can explain it.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow JakeD, you're still at it. Sorry I had to go do some work for a while there. I'm still checking out to see if Obama is a SECRET muslim. However, here's something I did find out, the gasoline in our cars come from a Muslim country. . . . shhhhhhh don't let that out.

Posted by: Sherlock Holmes | May 2, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Jesus... And now I reread you and you're calling BHO a muslim extremist again? WTF is wrong with you? Do you see terrorists in behind every lamppost? Anthrax in every mailbox? What a sad life. This isn't devil's advocay. This is paranoia.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

You're still assuming a lie when there is absolutely no basis for said assumption. That's called paranoia.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Somehow, JakeD, I always have a mental image of you as Angela Lansbury. Go figure.

Posted by: whatmeregister | May 2, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Again, sorry, but that post at 6:21 PM was mine -- I was referring to the original movie with Frank Sinatra playing my part, of course, not the silly remake with Denzel Washington -- but, now that you know it was my post, feel free to ascribe all sorts of nefarious motives to it.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, sorry, but I was think exactly of those innocents aboard the planes and in the WTC on 9/11 -- anyone who would lie to this extent is, by definition, an extremist -- so, we are not talking about "Lots of Muslims" are we (I already told you that I would have no problem with an OPEN Muslim President)?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

@ ANON @ 1821

LOL. I love classic movies. I wonder what his trigger word would be.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

What's part of his cover story? Islamic law? Raising his daughters Christian? Going to Rev. Wright's church for 20 years? Some cover story. Why not go to something less, I don't know, high profile. Like a quiet Catholic or Episcopal church with a declining base of parishioners.

To the PS: Define innocents. And don't say 9/11. Lots of Muslims thought that was beyond the pale. Only some of the more, eh, vocal ones got up and started dancing. Of course they're the ones that got on TV.

The very definition of innocents has lead to some schisms in the insurgency in Iraq. Iraqi sunnis didn't like that the foreign AQI fighters considered anyone who did anything to build the country up to be a collaborator instead of an innocent, so Iraqi Sunnis turned on AQI.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

The alternative argument is that Barack HUSSEIN Obama truly believes he is a Christian, but he was brainwashed as a child to follow this very path to the White House, and at the right moment, a secret keyword will trigger his programming (a la "The Manchurian Candidate").

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

P.S. technically, also forbidden is the killing of innocents ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Yoda! LOL!

Just because I am Strong with the Force! ;~)

Come awaaayyy from the Dark Side Libbies!

Corrupt you it will! :-(

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

That's part of his cover story, alright ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Agreeing to disagree doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. You can't raise your children to deny Allah's unitary nature and be considered a good Muslim. Even if you are trying to take down the great satan. Lies against Allah are forbidden.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

You're forgetting one tiny, itty, bitty thing. He was born here to pretty non-relgions parents, and raised by a pretty non-relgions family. Even his step-father, you know, the one who put him in his madrassa was the Muslim equivalent of a Christmas and Easter Episcopalian. Some journey.

Remember also the orgin of these guidelines. That one was for having robbers wait outside of the west city gate while your caravan goes out the east gate. Muhammad didn't want his follwers damned for lying to people about which way they were going to avoid people with bad intent. He was a merchant before a prohet.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

That's OK, any Impostor can remember it for you! ;~)

Posted by: Mason ;-) | May 2, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

We'll have to agree to disagree then whether Allah would permit Candidate X to lie in order to gain the Oval Office and, once and for all, destroy the Great Satan ...

LW:

Try Google.

Todd:

Perhaps, but deep down (WAY deep down) I feel the conflict, there is good.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Dear RAT-The:

I think it's quite clear that you don't belong to the "let's all come together" crowd. Although, as a member myself, let me invite you to join anytime.

I apologize for saying you regurgitate the opinions of others. I don't know that to be true and I withdraw the comment.

I do think it's clear that you are willing to call your fellow citizens by labels in an attempt to shut them up rather than discussing the concerns of our nation.

Your tactics are disruptive and you should calm down if you want to be taken seriously.

Sincerely, Todd

Posted by: Todd Gatts | May 2, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

LOL! I feel like this is Team Wrestling!

Mason, This is NOT a Muslim Country. Any Muslim here, is by definition:"On a Journey/Expedition"

Then, as has been demonstrated by the Taliban and al-Qaida, "They are more or less GUIDELINES, than RULES".

Ever hear the phrase: "All is Fair..."

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Rat-
Finally something we agree on.

Registered postings are a good thing. I hate it when I forget my name.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

JakeD-
[40:28] And now the whole verse:
"And a believing man of Pharaoh's family, who hid his faith, said: Would ye kill a man because he saith: My Lord is Allah, and hath brought you clear proofs from your Lord ? If he is lying, then his lie is upon him; and if he is truthful, then some of that wherewith he threateneth you will strike you. Lo! Allah guideth not one who is a prodigal, a liar."

The story comes from a retelling of Moses speaking to the pharoh. The man asking the question is a closeted Jew/Muslim who is attempting to convince pharoh to spare Moses's life by saying, "You might want to listen to him or spare him. He claims his lord is allah, and he has brought you proof of that. Yes, he might be lying, but if he is, it is his lie, and Allah does not suffer or guide liars."

[16:106] Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom.

Right. It says compulsion/forced. That generally means pain of death/torture/etc. It doesn't include voluntarily undergoing conversion to become a Trojan Horse in the US Body Politic.

Try Again.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - "misunderestimate"?

Posted by: LW | May 2, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Dear Pot:

Did I just hear you call yourself black?


Sincerely, Kettle

Posted by: Todd Gatts | May 2, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Todd Gatts-I appreciate your method of discourse. From the opposition, it is very uncommon.

What you will find however, is I do not "Regurgitate" other people's views. I NEVER "Link", and rarely "Quote".

I am my own RAT! :-)

I have PERSONALLY suffered more in the last few years than I would wish on my Worst Enemies-Except maybe Chavez, AhmadineBad, or his Master, Khamenei.

What would help more than anything, would be WaPo going back to registered Postings.

Most of the bad behavior lately has been a result of the Un-Registered and especially Anonymous Postings.

I can assure you however, if you are trying to get ME to go along with the Obasama mantra of "Let's all come together";

Ain't Happening! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

When did I say that I was waiting for Rev. Wright to "absolve" Obama of being a Muslim? I said that Rev. Wright is probably the only other person who could PROVE Obama was actually lying about being a Christian. Really, try reading my posts again, and then let me know why you would think those two polar opposites are the same.

Todd:

Do not misunderestimate the POWER of the Dark Side ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Dear JakeD:

I'm impressed. I went back through a few of your previous postings, and you are right, you don't use ad hominem attacks.

I do think all this "I'm not sayin', I'm just askin'" is disingenuous, passive agressive, and bad for public discourse.

Your behaviour shows that you are bright and witty. Why not use your powers for good.

Sincerely, Todd

Posted by: Todd Gatts | May 2, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Admittedly, the Devil's Advocate role is not ideally suited for dealing with LIVING candidates ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. "Taqqiyah" doesn't cut it. Firstly, it's more of a Shia tradition. BHO's father, and therefore by you're argument BHO were and are Sunni. According to (http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/T/taqiya.html and http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/L/lying.html ) in sunni tradition lies are permissible:

1st, to save one's life;
2nd, to effect a peace or reconciliation;
3rd, to persuade a woman;
4th, on the occasion of a journey or expedition.

The motivations for the first and third are clear. Life is precious and women are to be used. The reasoning behind the second is also clear: Muhammad was a trader and peace is good for bussines. You might think the fourth would apply if you consider the presidential election a jouney, but remember that that one probably had more to do with throwing bandits and raiders off of your trail than anything.

So that's the four type of permissible lies. Note how there's nothing that says you can live a lie for 20 years, marry as a part of the lie and raise your children in the lie and then say, "Sorry Allah! I did it for you." You espeically can't do it if the types of lies that you have to undertake are lies against Allah (bringing up your children to believe that God is of three parts) or against his prohet(Implied belief that Muhammaed is not a prophet because you're bringing up your children to believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that there are no prophets after him).

You keep saying you're waiting for Rev. Wright to "ablsolve" BHO of being a Muslim? Doesn't marrying him count? Doesn't baptizing his kids count? What would cut it for you.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Dear RAT-The:

Your behavior is somewhat worse than JakeD.

I agree with you that this election is important. You damage your own cause when you scream invectives at us and regurgitate other people's opinions.

Form you own opinions and share them with us -- calmly. I'm adult enough to hear opinions I don't agree with. I think you probably are as well. You should show that side of yourself too.

Sincerely, Todd

Posted by: Todd Gatts | May 2, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

JakeD-Maybe Mitt Romney is NOT the only Lawyer repenting his evil ways and seeking atonement! ;~)

I really did not want to bother looking up something I consider "Common Knowledge" just to edify this guy!

Thanks!:-)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Todd:

That's right, you don't know me -- I have never issued any ad hominem against anyone posting here -- that's the distinction. Since I am taking the Devil's Advocate role against Obama, of course you are going to interpret that as a "personal" attack against him. Last I checked, however, he is not posting on WaPo fourms ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Dear JakeD:

Obviously I don't know you by anything other than your behavior. I don't say you are a bad person, but I think your behavior in this discussion is rude and, for the most part, thoughtless. You damage free speech when you use it to beat other people up in the name of America. You should be ashamed. You are knowingly damaging this forum. You should stop.

Sincerely, Todd

Posted by: Todd Gatts | May 2, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Todd Gatts-Everyone in this Country is entitled to an Opinion.

Does NOT mean yours is right however.

See, I view this Election as possibly one of the most significant in recent History. One that the Conservatives have got to win, or the US goes from a REPUBLIC, to a Socialist Democracy.

Billary I have to oppose on two principles. One, they have already had their two Terms.
Two, what they DID during their two terms! :-(

World Labor Party/George Soros/Teddy,Lurch,Daschle,Pelosi,Reid/Green Party Supported Barack Hussein Obama, with his Racist Views and Values and enigma Status that unfortunately is getting Vetted(For Him and his Socialist Minions);

Well THEM, I have to FIGHT!

The Job in Question is the Executive Seat. Not some Damned POPULARITY CONTEST!

It is the role of Commander in Chief-Best filled by John McCain. It is also the role of Foreign Relations and Business/Economics-Something Mitt Romney would be Invaluable as a Vice President to handle!

I have my REASONS for my Choice, and I can support My Choices for Reasons.

My Reasons are not: Squawk-Change-Change-Believe me, believe me! Change-Change-Change! Squuawwk! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Dear Pot:

I believe you just called me black.

Sincerely, Kettle

Posted by: Todd Gatts | May 2, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Also:

"Any one who, after accepting Faith in Allah, utters unbelief, EXCEPT
under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in faith -- but such as
open their breast to unbelief, -- on them is Wrath from Allah, and
theirs will be a dreadful Chastisement [16:106]."

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Fine, then look it up yourself: The Quran reveals al-Taqiyya with the following verses:

"A Believer, a man from among the people of Pharaoh, who had CONCEALED
his faith, said: "Will ye slay a man because he says, `My Lord is
Allah'?....[40:28]"

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Todd:

Thanks for your ad hominem.

Mason:

I believe what RAT-The is referring to question is the well-known art of "taqqiyah" (lying to infidels). The question, of course, would be if Candidate X is doing so in order to infiltrate the halls of American power? Why is that completely implausible, given that the Prophet HIMSELF applied al-Taqiyya for the first three years of his "prophethood" and concealed his mission from the infidels?

Perhaps you know, that in Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. That the basis of the inquiry. Obama's natural father and step-father (Lolo Soetoro) were Muslim, and he was registered in school as a Muslim (both at the Basuki School and Catholic School in Jakarta). Of course, he now says he is a Christian. As I noted, above, only God knows that for sure. I think it's reasonable to inquire further than just Obama's blanket assertion of being a Christian. Is he lying about that?

It seems he is lying about other facts in his past, consistent with trying to downplay any Muslim connection. For instance, Obama stated in his famous DNC Convention speech: 'My father ... grew up herding goats.' In fact, Obama's father, was a child of privilege, not privation. He was an outstanding student, not a herdsman. Obama's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama was a prominent and wealthy farmer. What else is he lying about his past?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

JakeD-
Why would you need to use WP for Koranic citations anyway? There's plenty of e-Korans on the web. Just saying...

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Dear JakeD and RAT-The:

I hate your behavior. I think you are engaging in political action which is damaging the United States of America. It is my opinion you behave this way because you hate the USA and you want to damage our country from the inside. Your comments gnaw at our good will and collective, "we're all in this together" spirit which makes America the strongest country in the world. I believe you two are behaving in a very un-American way and I think you should stop.

Sincerely, Todd

Posted by: Todd Gatts | May 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Not necessarily. I like WP; I it's sources but it's usually pretty good. I think you just haven't got a leg to stand on.

Rat-
Shove it. Pretend compliance? WTF is that? You're making it up, halfwit. Source it or go away.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Mason-Muslims ARE allowed to Pretend compliance!

Granted, it is supposed to be if their lives are threatened, BUT, if you have NOT caught on yet;

With Modern Madrassa's "Well, they are really more GUIDELINES, than Rules"

Savvy? ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, first of all (God willing) I'm not sticking a cork in it, but second I am also not going to all that trouble for nothing, when you already ADMITTED it wouldn't concern you anyway (besides, I would be using Wikipedia for lots of the Koran citations, and I know you completely discount everything on Wikipedia as false ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how you can believe that a man could profess to be a Christian, marry as a Christian, and raise his children as Christians, and yet still be a Muslim when most Islamic legal tradition explicitly prohibits such behavior. Surely any one of those acts included a belief in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirt, which is considered Apostasy in Islam. An apostate is no longer a Muslim.


So again: Put up or Shut up. Produce this evidence that he's a Muslim or stick cork in it.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Eric-What was "Derogatory"?

I am really not trying to Insult anyone, just talk Straight, and be Honest.

Sometimes the Truth Hurts, but the Truth it is. PC and Rats do not go hand in hand! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Here's that post again:

"... we have no real recourse to actually KNOW -- as whatmeregister just pointed out, I am simply taking the Devil's Advocate role here -- only God knows the truth for sure."

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:44 PM

Let me KNOW what you didn't understand, Mason.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

I never said that I know" he is not a secret Muslim -- in fact, I said that ONLY GOD KNOWS FOR SURE (short of him admitting it or someone like Rev. Wright proving it). Perhaps you need to re-read the thread, and KNOW exactly what I typed, before we continue?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Jake-
(Reagan Voice) There go go again. (End Reagan Voice)

Which is it? Is he a secret Muslim or isn't he. In one paragraph you say you know he's not then in the next you threaten to document how he is.

Put up or shut up.

I'll go first: He has professed to be Christian. He was married in a chrisitan church. His children were baptized in a chirsitan church. Assuming he was, in fact, a muslim at some point, this would make him an apostate in the eyes of his now former corelgionists. I challange you to find the bit in the Koran or Hadiths where it says you can raise marry as a christian, raise your children as christians, and claim to be a chirsian while remaining a Muslim.


Finally, I would not be concerned even if that fantasical muslim trojan horse of yours actually got into the oval office. Do you know why? We have two co-equal branches that would restrain and moderate any or the executive's more radical tendanceies. Don't forget about that oath that the president swears on January 20th and the oaths every uniformed service member or civil servant upon inuctction: To protect and defend the constitution of the United States. The minute your "hypotheical" Sharia President runs afoul of the primary goal of his office, congress would turn his tail out on the street faster than you could say donner kabab. As for your nuclear holocaust scenario, it couldn't go down like that. Too many people would need to be involved and someone would blow the whistle. Like, say someone who noticed that the missile they were retargeting was going to land next to their grandmother's house.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

This site is pathetic. The Rat puts up deragatory statements and no one seems to care.

Posted by: Eric | May 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Whatmeregister-Try to label me whatever you want.

Your opinion of me will have as much bearing in Reality as your "Roots" induced fantasies about all the horrible atrocities you have imagined occurred to people you NEVER KNEW!

In the REAL World of TODAY, Bosses STILL take unfair advantages, Companies Still abuse and destroy Employees and their Lives, and even Politicians play GOD with the People in their Control!

But, as BAD as all that is in the US, Saddam was doing MUCH worse to the Victims in HIS Iraq.

Till Bush, and Supporters like ME, Deposed Saddamn Insane, and gave Iraq BACK to the People of Iraq.

Something "Barry" Hussein OPPOSED! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

RAT-The: "Whatmeregister-I see you conveniently left out my comments about the WHITE Irish folks who were also enslaved-as Indentured servants! :-(

Hear ANY Irish people still crying?"

Actually, it seems that every time someone points out the horrors of slavery, some fool has to try and bring up the Irish to argue how it really wasn't that bad. Except, of course, the Irish came here by choice, not in chains; their wives weren't systematically raped and their children sold off as chattel; and they were still considered human beings and not livestock. Which is why their situation is not germane nor comparable to the monstrous way blacks were dehumanized and abused.

As I said, since you're a racist I would expect such a lame argument from you. I would've thought omitting your idiotic claims of Irish indentured servitude with true brutal slavery was doing you a favor. LOL

Posted by: whatmeregister | May 2, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama is weak, a phony, and a hypocrite {see my first post above). He studied the Koran for two years. His intent therefore is is questionable by many.

Posted by: Billw | May 2, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Mason-Allow me to interject a comment about Islam.
First, they share the fundamentals of all Abrahamic Faiths.
Second, they acknowledge Jesus-as a Prophet sent to correct the wayward Hebrews.
Third, and this is the bad part, Islam is the Proper way. Mohammad was sent to correct everyone else! There is no exception.

To further the Prophet's Goal, a devout Muslim is ALLOWED to LIE, Commit Offenses if deemed necessary to appear Complacent in a "Hostile"(Infidel) environment, that would be against Islam, and basically anything else deemed required to facilitate the Spread of the true Faith.

The combination of accepted Deceit, and Intolerance, coupled with an Edict of Death for Apostasy, SHOULD concern any Christian, Jew, Hindu or Atheist about any Muslim.

Especially one who abandons his faith to go to a Christian Church of the Nature of the Trinity Church of Wright's!

If I was a Muslim looking for a "comfortable" place to pretend conversion, I would be very hard pressed to find anywhere better!

BUT, Again, MY Biggest "Pelosi" with Barry Obama, is his ACTIONS that HE has ALREADY DONE!

It would not matter if it was a Hispanic giving all to Hispanics(Richardson?), a Chinese giving all to Chinese, or a Martian giving all to Mars.

What Barack's Charitable sensibilities told me, is that he only cares for "Blacks".

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Rafael, but it's spelled "JUDGMENT" : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS BAD JUDGEMENT!

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I like the poster on the podium, "Change we can believe in". It sums up the Obama candidacy in which belief, unsupported by much in the way of accomplishment, is the foundation.

A faith based candidate. It's a beautiful thing.

Posted by: Ed | May 2, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if Obama is a secret Muslim or not I am not voting for him anyway you put it! He has bad judgement.


No to Obama in 2008

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

GO STANFORD!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

I'm NOT saying he's a secret Muslim. The question was "IF he was, would that concern you?" You already said "NO". You seem to think that no secret Muslim seeking the Presidency during a war with terrorists could ever intend to do harm to America. So, what's the point in me arguing that with you anymore?

As I said, however (in case anyone else out there WOULD be concerned), I could easily document every piece of circumstantial evidence to infer that Barack HUSSEIN Obama was, is, and always will be Muslim, but ultimately (unless he admits it or someone like Rev. Wright can prove he is lying) we have no real recourse to actually KNOW -- only God knows the truth for sure.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Pot meet kettle.

You're the one on here saying that he's secretly a muslim when he's not.

Go Cal.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Obamas Cabinett:

Rev. Wright for VP
Henry Ayers for Homeland Security Director
Michell Obama for Race Adviser to Obama
George Soros As the Fed Chairman
Michael Moore for Secretary Of State
Ted Kennedy for Secratary of Justice
Al Franken IRS Director
John Kerry US Ambassador to Vietnam
Keith Olberman WH Press Secretary


Sceary!!! ?

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Okalidokalie, figured out what I meant to say...
JakeD-
What I meant to say is that it's not Devils Adovocacy because your propsing is a series of tautologies based on a Bare Assertion Fallacy. You're saying BHO is a Muslim as part of your DAing but it's demonstrably false. If I take as true some of your premises (BHO is a muslim, All muslims want to kill americans), then I might agree with your argument that BHO might, if elected president, kill all or many amerircans. But I reject your premises. BHO is not a muslim as his behavior has demostrated. Not all muslims hate america. Given the abject falsehood of your premises, I wonder why you keep promoting them.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

CANT ANYBODY SEE THAT OBAMA CANNOT AND WILL NOT WIN IN NOVEMBER? IT IS NOT HARD RO REALIZE THE GUY HAS TERRIBLE JUDGEMENT! WAKE UP AMERICA WAKE UP!

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Whatmeregister-I see you conveniently left out my comments about the WHITE Irish folks who were also enslaved-as Indentured servants! :-(

Hear ANY Irish people still crying?

Then, "Barry's" Daddy was from Kenya.

Just What is Barry supposed to magically understand about the life of Southerners three generations ago?

MUCH Less, Slavery of Six to Seven generations ago?!

And AGAIN, for the very dense;

During the last two Years, Barack Hussein Obama, a Man running for the Presidency of the United States, Donated all of OVER EIGHTY Thousand Dollars, on Charity EXCLUSIVELY for Blacks!

If he wants to be the President of the NAACP-Power to him-He'd fit PERFECTLY with those fellow Racists.

I cannot condone or allow a Racist like Him, to get control of MY Country though!

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps you were looking for this fallacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, all, that list was supposed to go on the new thread ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh, bloody hell... Agument from Fallacy wasn't what I wanted.... Gimme a minute...

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Ron Brown (1989-1993)
David Wilhelm (1993-1994)
Debra DeLee (1994-1995)
Christopher J. Dodd (1995-1997)
Donald Fowler (1995-1997)
Roy Romer (1997-1999)
Steven Grossman (1997-1999)
Edward G. Rendell (1999-2001)
Joseph Andrew (1999-2001)
Terrence R. McAuliffe (2001-2005)

Clinton Presidency (1993-2001) R.I.P.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Well... It is relgious leaders jobs do delude their flocks. If you don't believe the preacher on the mundane things, how are you going to believe him when he tells you not worry about the dirt nap because you've been a good boy?

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:
You "argument" is futile. Namecallers don't know when they have lost.

Posted by: Billw | May 2, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

It is not useful to take as a premise something that can be clearly refuted or demostrated to be false. It's not devils advocacy. It's argument from fallacy and has no place in political discourse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Facts are a stubborn thing. Obama cannot close his 20 year old relationship with Wright because there is so much video evidence against it. On the TV program THE VIEW, Obama declared that Reverend Wright accepted that his view were inappropriate and mischaracterized. That it had offended many people. Then weeks later Wright goes on a national Hate America Press Tour? This was a blatant lie. Or worse, Obama was fooled by Wright which is kind of scary. That a possible next president can be played by a character such as Wright. Check the video evidence yourselves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6J7yJ9R5p0

Posted by: Leanza Cornett | May 2, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

Again with the "racist" label, and now I'm a "mindless shill" too? Look, it's nothing personal. In fact, it could even be useful!! In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who takes a position just for the sake of argument. This process can be used to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure.

I am actually referring to an even more noble tradition set up within the Catholic Church, whereby both the "Promoter of the Faith" (Latin Promotor Fidei) and the Devil's Advocate (Latin advocatus diaboli) were appointed canon lawyers arguing for (just as some Obamaniacs seem to be doing) and against the canonization of the candidate, respectively.

It was the latter's job to take a skeptical view of the candidate's character, to look for holes in the evidence, to argue that any miracles attributed to the candidate were fraudulent, etc. The Devil's Advocate was opposed by God's Advocate, whose job was to make the argument in favor of canonization.

Sorry if that was all too confusing for you to follow. You can read more about the role here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_advocate#Origin

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse


thebestlawyerintheworld:
"The game had been determined already when Obama swept 11 primaries in a row, all by whopping double digits."

Had Obama's baggage been known at that point, the outcome would have been different. His winnings were due to his phoniness, and are nothing to brag about. Actually he should apologize for them.

Posted by: Billw | May 2, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

okay sweet:

Amen.

Amen.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

You're a rascist because you keep asking a racially loaded question that has been answered time and time again. It seems your only motive is to act as a racial agent provocateur.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Look. He's. Not. Muslim.

No Muslim would marry in a chirstian church nor baptize his children in one. Refute that. Your devils adovcacy exposes you as mindless shill.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I constantly see Barack HUSSEIN Obama on these posts, and wonder why a person's middle name affects many of you so very deeply. What if it was mohammed? adolf? crow? castro? The name of an individual does not define the quality of his character, nor the capacity of his intellect.

Then again, I realize the cause of all this is the ignorance that makes us afraid, and the fear that blinds us from the truth. A miniature radical sect of the Islamic faith, whose membership is a diversity of peoples across the globe, causes numerous uneducated peoples to equate a Muslim with a terrorist. A history of racial injustice, segregation, and discrimination, seems to be lost from our minds as a growing hatred between whites and blacks has evolved in our era of political correctness because of our lack of societal knowledge.

Brothers, we are all in this together. For those of you who are Christian, remember that Jesus Christ commands us to love God above all things, and to love one another as much as we love ourselves.

Posted by: okay sweet | May 2, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I constantly see Barack HUSSEIN Obama on these posts, and wonder why a person's middle name affects many of you so very deeply. What if it was mohammed? adolf? crow? castro? The name of an individual does not define the quality of his character, nor the capacity of his intellect.

Then again, I realize the cause of all this is the ignorance that makes us afraid, and the fear that blinds us from the truth. A miniature radical sect of the Islamic faith, whose membership is a diversity of peoples across the globe, causes numerous uneducated peoples to equate a Muslim with a terrorist. A history of racial injustice, segregation, and discrimination, seems to be lost from our minds as a growing hatred between whites and blacks has evolved in our era of political correctness because of our lack of societal knowledge.

Brothers, we are all in this together. For those of you who are Christian, remember that Jesus Christ commands us to love God above all things, and to love one another as much as we love ourselves.

Posted by: okay sweet | May 2, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

RAT-the: "THAT is what I said, stop imagining ANYTHING Different!-These Posts are Recorded! ;~) "

Indeed they are...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/04/mccain_apologizes_for_opposing.html

"Blahblahblah-Before there was Jim Crow, there were "CarpetBaggers". After the destruction of the South, the business owners who desperately needed their skilled Workers, were betrayed and abandoned by them. They we then badly victimized by opportunistic Sharks who made them pay in spades.

Decades pass. The Segregated Communities of the Whites and the Blacks went two distinctly different directions. Bitter resentment flowed through the Whites about how they were previously betrayed and what they had to do to recover their Communities.

YEAH. You better believe they never wanted to have to allow the now impoverished and mostly UNNEEDED Blacks BACK! Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself if you would have!

Posted by: rat-the | April 4, 2008 2:21 PM"


...and...


"whatmeregister-Do you "Own" a Pet? A Horse, Dog or Cat?

Do you senselessly BEAT them?

I'd doubt it! You probably try to care for them as best you can. After all, they are YOURS!

Yes, the business owners went through great efforts to educate and train their investments like a race Horse owner would a Champion Race Horse!

Ever hear about the 40 Acres and a Mule? There were no Blacks left abandoned! There were people who needed their trained Cotton Gin Workers who were! Shop operators who lost their Clerks. And many other Businesses who needed the Blacks that ran off with their 40 Acres waiting in their newly founded Black Communities on their new mule!

Posted by: rat-the | April 4, 2008 5:56 PM"

Yep. How DARE those ingrate blacks leave the men who once owned them? Who once raped their wives and daughters and sold their children off like calves to live in other towns or even other states? They were fed and clothed and treated just as well as the family dog, so what more could they, as human beings, have wanted out of life? I mean, being taught trade skills made up for all that abuse, right? At least in your racist mind.

True, upon rereading your weird responses it seesm you were referring to blacks who segregated themselves into separate communities in the south instead of migrating north. Of course, since the whites were wont to drive free blacks outside the town borders anyway, it wasn't exactly totally by choice, but that too will be lost on you.

Sorry, RAT, but anyone who doesn't see how dehumanizing your viewpoint of black people is can't be anything other than a racist. Or a complete ignoramus. Feel free to pick the latter if it makes you feel better about yourself. :-)

Posted by: whatmeregister | May 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

For the record, Carol, Mason, and jr. all labeled me a "racist" simply for asking the questions.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

I could easily document every piece of evidence to infer that Barack HUSSEIN Obama was, is, and always will be Muslim, but ultimately (unless he admits it or someone like Rev. Wright can prove he is lying) we have no real recourse to actually KNOW -- as whatmeregister just pointed out, I am simply taking the Devil's Advocate role here -- only God knows the truth for sure.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Thing is - he can't even raise a successful arguement on Obama's muslimness because he's building his rhetorical tower on a quicksand of falsehoods. Bad premises lead to a bad argument.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

To my knowledge, I've never accused you of being a racist. I do believe you have a bad case of intellectual and moral dishonesty, however. You keep positing the hypothetical "what if" question of Barack Obama being a secret muslim, which forces me to the conclusion that 1) you are too ignorant or stupid to know it's false, or 2) you do know it's false and are deliberately repeating it to smear Obama and turn opinion against him.

Since you are a self-admitted Stanford law grad, I assume choice number one doesn't apply. Which leaves choice number two: that you are indulging in deliberate dishonesty. Since I believe that facts and truth, not dirty tricks, should be the best measure of determining the best candidate for the presidency, your behavior is pretty contemptible in my book. I realize that, as a lawyer, you've been trained to set aside the search for truth in favor of winning your client's case. In a courtroom, that behavior is expected and even admired. But when you apply those tactics outside the courtroom--when you disregard and contort the truth--it's dishonorable.

And it's one of the reasons why I and so many others have so little respect for most lawyers. They think a successful argument is equivalent to a moral victory, which it often is not.

Since you asked.

Posted by: whatmeregister | May 2, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Whatmeregister-Nice try!

NO, I never implied a friggin thing about the Former Slaves that Migrated North.

MOST did NOT!

They took their Mule and claimed their 40 Acres in BLACK Townships in the South! They SEGREGATED Themselves! They did then, what Reverse Racist Farrakhan, is foolishly calling for AGAIN!

WHY, do you think they were STILL in the South, trying to move BACK into the re-built Non-Black Communities a Generation or Two Later?

Then, All this Texan/Californian/Hawaiian said, was that I could sympathize with the Bitterness the Deep Southerners Displayed!

Then, I pointed out the first REAL Racism I encountered, was BY BLACKS, in Los Angeles-Where Slavery never even existed!

THAT is what I said, stop imagining ANYTHING Different!-These Posts are Recorded! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I think the Dem Party as a whole has shown just too much deference to the Clintons which helped to creat this situation.

The Clintons themselves are so thick-skinned and power hungry, they will not leave the campaign out of their own volition.

It is time the Party came together now and tell the Clintons to quit.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL THE CLINTON SUPPORTERS:
Since the media is refusing to reveal/report the Paul vs Clinton fraud case in court right now, we need to create our own movement and flood every blog on CNN and every blogging website on the World Wide Web with information from the case regardless of what the topic is. For those that don't know - Google Paul vs Clinton and hold on to your shirt with what you read!! L.A., California Case #BC304174

For those of you who think this case has been thrown out - is hasn't, or is irrelevant - think again:

"In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz ruled on Friday, April 25, 2008 that Hillary Clinton would not be required to testify in a sworn deposition as a material witness in the case until AFTER the November election!."
"Had Senator Clinton be forced to testify under oath, as a material witness and beneficiary of the fraud that her husband is being sued for before the Democratic Convention, her remote chances for being nominated the party candidate would have been unquestionably destroyed."
"Paul contends his case will expose "the institutional culture of corruption embraced by the Clinton leadership of the Democratic Party," which seeks to attain "unaccountable power for the Clintons at the expense of the rule of law and respect for the constitutional processes of government."
All the court documents/evidence is here: peterfpaul.com

Posted by: koolkrez | May 2, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Right. That's why you keep bringing it up. You produce more horse manure than Churchill Downs on race day and you say you don't believe it? Whatever, dude.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

The fact of the matter is that a possible win in Indiana by Hillary would have come too late to save her now.

It is just like the win in PA. She won the state as everybody predicted. But did it change the game? No. It only allowed her to narrow the delegate lead by about 20 something. That is too little too late. The game had been determined already when Obama swept 11 primaries in a row, all by whopping double digits.

That was when Hillary lost the nomination. It is only because she is who she is, she has been allowed to carry on this lunacy regardless.

She can go on and win NC and Indiana by 60%, which I doubt very much, and it still won't change the game. It has all been a waste of time, money and energy since those 11 primaries.

Posted by: thebestlawyerintheworld | May 2, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I would have no concern, but that doesn't mean I'd like it. I believe that the courts and the anti-establishment clause would be strong enough to deal with any muslim, or chrisitanization of the government. They've proven rather resiliant to this administrations attempts to push the boundarires.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I really do not understand what is all this big fuss about Obama's relation with the pastor.He went to church which demonstrates he is religious.Wright was the pastor.He grew up in different times and some of his sermons were out of touch.But he had a basis for saying what he said.Bible says our sins visit us and then there was Tuskegee experiment where the African Americans were the guinea pigs to study syphilis and it took years for the government to acknowledge and apologize.Obama was not judgemental of his pastor.He was drawn to him because of his community service which is undeniable.He did not condone his controversial which was a samll part of his sermons,but was focussing on the good.Has there been any instance of any of this Church member having acted provocatively in the last 20 yrs or so influenced by the sermons and endangerd the safety of the nation?On the other hand have there been people who have been positively influenced by the sermons?Yes, of course,Barrak being a chief example.Obama rightly distanced himself from those views earlier on in Philadelphia as these reflected only the divison but Obama hoped to move beyond and use those divisions as motivation and not diversion to advance in race relation.Wright knew that Obama did not subscribe to his negative views.He had to denounce his pastor when the venue changed from the church to the world stage.In the church the people who listen to his sermon do not judge him by a few soundbites or some views which they may not agree with but as a person complex as he is.In the world stage on the other hand he unwittingly became part of a grand scheme of events where unfortunately his controversial views were the focus,thanks to the manipulative media which had no questions about his service to the community all these years.While Obama went extra length to explain the pastors contoversial views and accepted them as a reaction to the turbulent times when he grew up,the pator showed gay abandon in questionong Obama's integrity when he distanced himself from those views while stressing to need to move forward.That is when Obama had no choice when his values or what he stood for all these years are questioned.Obama exemplified all those qualities one would expect in a leader:tolerance,acceptance,courage to stand by his values and admonish the pastor even at the expense of a political backlash and demonstrate righteous anger and compassion and the ability to move beyond to focus on issues that matter.He does not pander to get the votes but challenges people to come together to solve problems.It is time we rally behind him and move forward to restore the Nation's status in the world.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

P.S. -- I don't believe that Obama is a secret Musling, either ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Dr. Phil, I could care less what you think of me, and my question to you was: "Are you are going to 'help' just like you did with Brittney Spears?"

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

People against Obama want to forget that he turned down high paid corporate job offers to go and organize workers whose jobs had been sent overseas thanks to Clinton.

I guess ignoring that and that he doesn't accept PAC and lobbyist monies is easier than actually trying to evaluate him on more than Clintonista and FOX spin and rhetoric (which are surprisingly similar these days).

Posted by: Mike in Sac | May 2, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

JakeD said: "The "easiest" way for the POTUS to nuke Americans would be to fake (or, for real) a release of biological agent(s) with the "last resort" measure being to sadly announce the nuking in order prevent the spread to all other U.S. cities (that and/or conveniently be out of town when a nuke goes off in the U.S. Capitol building -- but that's more like Tom Clancy than Bruckheimer ; )"

Holy crap dude, you've just lost all credibility with me. This was a good laugh though.

And I have an answer to you question. Would I be concerned if Obama was a secret Muslim? YES. Do I believe that Obama is a secret Musling? NO.

Posted by: Dr. Phil | May 2, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse


Pennsylvanian:
"But can't he just eat his waffle without the press interfering with annoying questions."

The media made hay with the "Obama phenomenon" to get viewers, better ratings, amd make money. Then the "Wright phenomenon" hit and they did the same. Obama's free ride with the media is over.

Posted by: Billw | May 2, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

whatmeregister:

And, what exactly makes ME a "racist" then?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

The question was whether said lying would cause YOU any concern ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

To clarify - the lying about who he is would cause a problem getting elected for candidate X. The constitution wouldn't care.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

RAT-The: "Folks, to complain about a Racist, does NOT make ME a Racist."

No, RAT, what makes you a racist is your repeated assertions that blacks after the Civil War were traitors for migrating north instead of helping their former white masters (i.e., the rapists of their wives and daughters, the killers of their family members, their abusers and captors and owners) rebuild the southern infrastructure. You believe that the blacks were somehow "ingrates" for being smart enough to flee those white soulless bastards as soon as they were able. That's what makes you a racist.

But of course, you'll never admit that you're a racist, so why bother arguing it, eh?

Posted by: whatmeregister | May 2, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

The lying would cause a problem for candidate X.

But back in real life, that candiate doesn't exist.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

Then ANSWER it, if it's not unanswerable.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Phil:

Well, if this were a Jerry Bruckheimer film, then it would have to include some hot blonde too (instead of Michelle Obama) and probably a massive nuclear launch on Russia, trying to prompt nuclear retailiation. I'm not sure that would work though.

The "easiest" way for the POTUS to nuke Americans would be to fake (or, for real) a release of biological agent(s) with the "last resort" measure being to sadly announce the nuking in order prevent the spread to all other U.S. cities (that and/or conveniently be out of town when a nuke goes off in the U.S. Capitol building -- but that's more like Tom Clancy than Bruckheimer ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

That's not your unanswerable question, jerkoff. The unanswerable question had to do with Obama's supposed false conversion twenty years ago in order to do something about the current Iraq war. There was just the slight problem that the BHO of 1988 had no way of knowing what the future would hold.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Has Rev. Wright helped any white poor people in his life as a man of God????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the reason I am bitter and I am claiming my guns and religion because of it! LOL

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Folks, to complain about a Racist, does NOT make ME a Racist.

"Barry" is the one who Donates all his Charities to "Blacks" exclusively.

I would have supported the American Red Cross or at least Crescent, and/or The Salvation Army with at least a little money myself!

BUT, since they might help ANYONE, Racist Black Supporting "Barry" did not!

Get the "Libbie" out of your Ears, and Open your Eyes people! I am OFFENDED by Barack's ACTIONS!

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Jaime:

See people that is exactly the point here Obama has terrible judgement and is another politician. Well explained Jaime.

No to Obama in 2008

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Jamie-
I think he always knew about Wright but pretty much always disagreed with some of the crazier statements. He was willing to look past them because of other good deeds the man had done. Even last month, he was saying, "I disagree with him, but I count him as a friend because of his good works." What's changed in the last week is that this "friend" has been slagging him on national TV. Some friend, eh? BHO's payback for not throwing the guy under a bus was getting pushed under himself. With friends like that....

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

JakeD and Rat-the,

Why are you two both such senseless cancerous disgrace and frustrations for all good-willed attempts of people to any intelligent excanges of opinions?

Posted by: PP | May 2, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, so you are saying that Obama as President will go to all the missile launch sites, break in, enter the launch codes, and escape so that he can then swim out to all the submarines, break in, enter the launch codes, and then pilot a bunch of bombers to drop their nukes. Wow, good thing you've got Sherlock Holmes and He-man on your side.

Posted by: Dr Phil | May 2, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm outta here because I don't want the guilt by association of having consorted with the likes of JakeD and theRat.

With people like them no wonder this country is going into the toilet.

Posted by: jr | May 2, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Neocons and Republicans thugs are spread over this and other boards, radios and T.V.'s and crying high and loud to get nomination of Hillary Clinton, thinking in their dirty minds that once she is on the ticket, they can easily compared their rotten Egg (John McCain) with her in many ways and bring the big face and big nose Clinton in the field who will naturally run the White House either from his bed or from his coach.
The hardcore Whites, who have never supported even white Democrtas in the past, we should not worry about them and let them to cheer for John McCain, whose one leg is in his grave and barely can walk, talk and think straight.
By electing Obama, America can stand up again in the world as the most civilized Nation and take leadership to be an honest, humane and just and fair BIG BROTHER wiping out the sins carried out by the gang of Bush-Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Posted by: John Dahodi | May 2, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

jaime:

Good points.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else, then who can answer this "unanswerable" question:

If Candidate X was is a SECRET Muslim, trying to hide that fact by PRETENDING to be a Christian for 20 years, in order to get eleted President of the United States during a war in Iraq, would that cause you any concern?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

how would you trust obama...
wife says... i have never been proud of america in my entire adult life.
pastor and "uncle for 20 years says... god damn america
friend ayers) says... i never regretted bombing pentagon... wish could have done better.
and obama says... i never heard this incindiary comment for 20 years.
until this week when polls showed that his numbers are all going down.

Posted by: jaime | May 2, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

As soon as you answer my question, I will return the same courtesy -- I have put up with answering all of your other questions and your ad hominem long enough -- otherwise, have a nice life.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

JakeD-
You didn't ask an answerable question. The question you asked was so full of logical fallacies and contradictions that you could derive anything you want from my answer to it. Ask a better question, loser.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Obamas Cabinett:

Rev. Wright for VP
Henry Ayers for Homeland Security Director
Michell Obama for Race Adviser to Obama
George Soros As the Fed Chairman
Michael Moore for Secretary Of State
Ted Kennedy for Secratary of Justice
Al Franken IRS Director
John Kerry US Ambassador to Vietnam
Keith Olberman WH Press Secretary


Sceary!!! ?

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with the posts to ignore JakeD and Rat as I have obviously called them out.

This kind of bigotry has to be addressed. Yes, they troll this post and spew their brand of hate at all opportunities.

It does make this a less rational and more sad forum.

I have had my say and they have had their. Meaning their silence says it all.

I am done so let the McCain and Clinton flaying continue.

Go Obama!!

Posted by: Mike in Sac | May 2, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

JakeD-
Your worst case scenario is that the POTUS nukes 300,000,000 Americans? Seriously? That would be bad, but, fortunately for those of us who don't live inside of a Jerry Bruckheimer film, it's also impossible.

Shoot. You've managed to make 9/11 truthers look sane with that one.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Conflict between democrats is a GOP mission and it is having some success. Many of the most inflamatory remarks being made here are probably being made by Republicans trying to agitate us against each other. Let's do our candidates and our nation proud and change the tone of this debate.

I support Obama because:

-he took a stand against the Iraq war when it mattered.
-he does not support a gas-tax holiday that would raise gas prices, benefit oil companies, and perpetuate our dependence on oil (an economic, environmental, and SECURITY issue.)
-his response to distractions and controversies has showed even temperament, integrtiy, and thoughtfulness.
-he has made ethics a top priority and wants to stop playing destructive political games.
-he has shown that he is resilient and electable in the face of media smears and "swiftboating". The GOP is spending all of their energy trying to take out Obama. KARL ROVE has written an article with skewed stats in an attempt to bolster Clinton's "momentum". it's no wonder that Clinton's polls are looking a bit better, but I must wonder how Hillary "sniper-fire" Clinton will fare against John "war hero" McCain when republicans stop working FOR Senator Clinton.

-I work in a hospital in MA, and health care is important to me. I live in a state where we are proud of our health insurance progress, but where many people who previously could not afford health insurance are now punished and fined instead of being helped.
-His views on foreign policy also show thoughtfulness, a fresh approach which lends itself to diplomacy, and strength. The fact that he has lived abroad and has an inside perspective on multi-culturalism is great considering he will be elected the new leader of the free world.

Again, democrats should debate this one out, but we need to remain united lest we give the world four more years of destructive republican policy.

Posted by: jesse | May 2, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

this obama flap simply goes down to judgment. this obama is a fake. how would he be unable to know about wright for 20 long years but only now when your polls are on a downhill. he is a politician instead. tried to use the black church as his major support. but now that it is hindering his support from other core group, he is throwing the black church away. where is the phrase " i can no longer disown him...

Posted by: jaime | May 2, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Obamas Cabinett:

Rev. Wright for VP
Henry Ayers for Homeland Security Director
Michell Obama for Race Adviser to Obama
George Soros As the Fed Chairman
Michael Moore for Secretary Of State
Ted Kennedy for Secratary of Justice
Al Franken IRS Director
John Kerry US Ambassador to Vietnam
Keith Olberman WH Press Secretary

Sceary!!!! ?

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Mike in Sac
"This is his 20 year history of helping to organize our society into a better community. He is a community organizer. Lord knows we need more than the current divisive rhetoric to come together."
-----------------------------------------

Organizer alright...Organized CRIME w/Rezko and lets the gangbangers of South Chicago rule!!

The only thing better about the part of Chicago he "organized" is that he isn't there stinking it up and trampling on the people of his "church" who supported him when he was a nobody.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm, Confusing some of you, I must be.

Asking: "What Has Barack done, that you would want him similarly doing in the Executive Seat?" over your heads-it must be. Hmmmmm.

Yes, Yes Over your Heads! Hmmmmm. :-)

Yoda! LMFAO! :-D

Sam-Now, I ask you, were those Executive actions, or Legislative actions?
Foreign Trade and Military expertise are NOT "Barry's" Strengths now ARE they?

Do you REALLY want him trying to Earn while he learns?

MY TURN! :-)

Commander in Chief-Senator/Naval Aviator/Son of an Admiral, who was the Son of an Admiral/Annapolis(Right around the corner from DC) Graduate/ Hero...John McCain-Enough Said!

VP-Top of his Class Law Degreed/Top of his Class MBA'ed/Governor/Venture Capitalist/Fiscal Conservative, and Olympics Saving MITT ROMNEY.

Enough SAID!-Or, Confusing you all again, am I? Hmmmmm? Yes, Confused you are, I see!

The Presidency, we are talking about, we are!

Executives they should be. Yeesssss, EXECUTIVES!

The FORCE is With Me and McRomney!

Yes, the FORCE is Strong with McRomney!

The DARK Side the Dimocrats have turned to! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

all medias are negative on Obama..specially CNN's anchors..they all try to find all possible ways to have Hilary be the nominee
Is there racist behind..? i hope not..Barrack will be the future President .

Posted by: roger lemay | May 2, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

It really saddens me to see how people can be so nasty to one another about people they really do not know. Both candidates have good qualities and bad. I one day hope we can be better people as a nation but it isn't looking that way now.

Posted by: Sadden | May 2, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

No response to calling you on bigotry Rat and JakeD? Too close to home? Is it too painful to admit?

You respond to other and not me? Why is that? Too coward to face you inner demons and really talk about how you are a bigot?

BIGOT or not? What do you have to say for yourself?

Are you a paid poster who will try to exploit other's bigotry to your own political advantage? If so that is so low I would be ashamed to be you.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | May 2, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Pay no attention to JakeD, it's the reason he posts such idiotic, paranoid, bases statements. He's been trolling this blog for months and is not worth the time of day and I would say that he most likely IS a racist AND scared of muslims.

Posted by: jr | May 2, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

You are under no obligation to answer my question. Have a nice life.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama cannot win in November! That is the only basic in here!

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

BillW posted:

His waffling around with the Wright issue has labeled him as a hypocrite to many.
---------------

Great post. But can't he just eat his waffle without the press interfering with annoying questions. No he can't!!!!!!!

Posted by: Pennsylvanian | May 2, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Young Atheart:

After that speech, at the 2004 Convention, Obama DEFENDED John Kerry for voting for the Iraq war, and admitted -- whether he, Obama, would have voted for the Iraq war had he been in the U.S. Senate at the time -- "I don't know."

Dr. Phil:

You asked for the "worst case assessment" of what could happen, supposedly to "help me understand your fear." If you don't think 300,000,000 dead Americans is "worst case", then I don't know what would be. Don't tell me, you are going to "help" just like you did with Brittney Spears?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Carol

"people need to ignore stupid racists like JakeD the Rat-The or whatever his name is. People who have hate in their own hearts are quick to falsely accuse it of someone else."
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People who have racism in their own hearts are quick to falsely accuse it of someone else.


People who have stupidity in their own blind heads are quick to falsely accuse it of someone else.

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C'mon Indiana and NC...top Hillary's win in PA. You can do it!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Pennsylvanian | May 2, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the only candidate not playing stupid games with us. The gas tax things is a farce.

Clinton has been caught lying so many times it is just ridiculous.

McCain's positions have all slanted to the Right. He opposed the Bush tax breaks and now supports them. He fought against Bush as the Maverick and now looks like a well stabled and bomb-proof mare placidly chewing the lobbyists green cud.

People need to wake up and realize that this is a HUGE moment. We are losing our status in the world, teetering on the edge of a depression, and losing our middle class.

These are the issues not stupid pins and such. Rat and JakeD, and their ilk, are here to get us talking about these stupid and asinine topics.

Obama is going back to his basics and why he is going to be the nominee and President. This is his 20 year history of helping to organize our society into a better community. He is a community organizer. Lord knows we need more than the current divisive rhetoric to come together.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | May 2, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse


OBAMAS BAGGAGE

He and Wright have divided black democrats and lost votes there in the general election.
His waffling around with the Wright issue has labeled him as a hypocrite to many.
His refusing to debate has shown he can't stand up to a challenge.
He has offended Florida and Michigan voters by not wanting their votes to count, and would lose these two states in the general election.
He has lost the big states, indicating McCain would beat him there.
Many are concerned about his muslim relations or "secret" intent.
Racial ranting has brought out the "race card" in some whites, who would not have considered it at all otherwise.
His San Francisco remarks show very clearly he is a phony.
Last but not least, his close 20 year association with the bigot Wright probably shows more about his true character than anything.
His rise to fame is over, and he is on a slide downhill. Had his true character been known at the outset, Clinton would have had a level playing field and Obama would have been history months ago. Too bad.

Posted by: Billw | May 2, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

JakeD-
He's not a Muslim, secret or overt. No practicing Muslim would have his children baptized Christian. That's the bottom line, and no matter how much you want to theorize otherwise, it is what it is. Barak Hussein Obama is a christian and has been for at least 20 years. His wife is christian. His daughters are christian. There is, however, no religious test to hold the office of POTUS. He could be wiccan, buddhist, or a worsiper of Pele the Hawaiian volcano goddess and it wouldn't make a lick of diffeence.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone at all concerned with the amount of money the Clintons made since they left the white house? I hear that Bill has been taking broker fees for central asian oil deals in the form of contributions to his foundation. It just gets whitewashed but they seem just as "wannabe" royalty as the Bushes. We need to break out of the Clinton vs. Bush dynamic. It's time for new faces and new ideas, period.

Posted by: Independent Citizen | May 2, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

JakeD said:
"The United States has, at least, 4,075 nuclear warheads. The top 4,075 American cities constitute a total population of just under 300,000,000."

And your point is?

Posted by: Dr. Phil | May 2, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Comes down to North Carolina for Obama

Who do you predict will win the North Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2320


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Posted by: Frank, Austin TX | May 2, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

In 2001/2002, Saddam Hussein provoked this nation in to war with just words - saying infamously this will be the "mother of all wars."
In 2008, Rev. Wright provoked many Americans in to categorical condemnation though some have softened a bit after a month of endless coverage.
In both cases, Obama showed an uncommon ability to judge intent, not just words. Against Saddam, Obama said "Now let me be clear â€" I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity....But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, ...I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda."
On Rev. Wright, Obama saw the big difference in intent between the first endlessly looped sermons and his re-justification of those inflammatory statements to the National Press Club. In the first case, Obama saw that Wright's words were in the context of a larger message about positive transformation to his own congregation. In the second case, he said that those same statements to a national audience were intended to hurt and had the effect of giving comfort to hate groups.
Today we have more inflammatory leaders, Iran's Ahmadinajad of Iran, N. Korea's Kim Jong Il and even Russia's Putin who are all trying to provoke America in various ways. We need a leader who can judge intent before he commits the country to action or even categorical condemnation. It gives a chance for more sane action on all sides.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

Posted by: Young Atheart | May 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Phil and Davidson:

The United States has, at least, 4,075 nuclear warheads. The top 4,075 American cities constitute a total population of just under 300,000,000.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't the media reporting this? Hillary's advisor slams Indiana white voters with racial slurs and the media says nothing! This is very unfair unless you guys feel the same.
In his own words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN_nQOHj__s

Posted by: Debmood | May 2, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

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WINNNING STRATEGY FOR OBAMA: Withdraw from race. Supporters vote for McCain. Clinton looses big time. Will never run again. OBAMA beats McCain in 2012.

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WINNNING STRATEGY FOR CLINTON: Withdraw from race. Supporters vote for McCain. Obama looses bigtime. Will never run again. CLINTON beats McCain in 2012.

Posted by: Onlooker | May 2, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Stop this fallacious notion that a President of United States of America can destroy America. It is will not happen.
There are so many layers of checks and balance of power within the American system of government that is impossible for any one person be they president or not to "destroy" America. The Obamas opponents should stop pedaling this baseless bogus lie. Such nonsense could only happen is a third world banana republic.

Posted by: Davidson | May 2, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

RobertS - tell us which prosperous and well educated nation you hail from so we can learn from you.

Posted by: Shanghai Joe | May 2, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

Ignore

Posted by: Michael | May 2, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey JakeD, lets say Obama is a secret muslim as you say. Give me your worst case assessment of what would happen. Maybe this will help me understand your fear.

Posted by: Dr. Phil | May 2, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Billeedee, Sam, AJ, Michael, and RobertS:

I would love to debate the merits of abortion on demand, environmentalist preventing us from drilling in ANWAR or building a single refinery in 30 years, health care, or Iraq -- I can't do that (yet) because no one will answer my question whether Candidate X is even telling the truth about being a secret terrorist.

The Listener:

Edwards.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

My Fellow American Voters,
I am positive that Obama and his 20year attendance to the hate mongering church in Chicago,tells us all we need to know.
Obama appears to be a black radical in sheep's clothing.The statement that his wife made about black pride angers me.Why,after 400 years in American history,have blacks not assimilated as Asians,Irish,Vietnamese,Cubans etc.have some African Americans not been proud of the U.S.A.
America is not perfect,but it tries and an Obama we do not need.

Posted by: Dr.F.D.Maloney | May 2, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

FOR A WHILE I THOUGHT AMERICA IS SHOWING SIGNS OF CHANGE. IT WILL BE EITHER "FIRST BLACK" OR "FIRST FEMALE" AS A PRESIDENT. BUT WITH ALL THESE INTERNAL FIGHTS, IT SEEMS PEOPLE DON'T LIKE EITHER. JOHN MCCAIN SEEMS LUCKY.

Posted by: Optimist | May 2, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

PUERTO RICO IS FOR CLINTON!!!

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FAIRYTALE!


OBAMA MEANS SOCIALISM!

Posted by: BILL CLINTON | May 2, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Noone is attacking Obama but Obama due to his OWN choices. And these choices..Rezko and Ayers, but the Wright association is a very big one, as are his own two books. One of the books is based, titled, and "inspired" by a Wright sermon of the same name, The Audacity of Hope. Both books contain a lot of comments that are attcking or deragotory about "his mother's race." These are Obama's OWN WORDS, and therefore he can denounce them. And many statements sound as if he has been influenced by his 20 year association with Wright. And how he believes he can write these type of comments about another race in America and feel that it does not matter, I have no idea. Of Course it matters. As it would had if he followed a racist agenda against black Americans and made derogotory comments about America. And his books both promote his connection and preference to his father and "son of Africa." He is an American wanting to be the AMERICAN President! It is amazing. He wants to represent ALL Americans. It will not happen. And Black Liberation theology basically hurts the remaining races, white, Hispanic, Latinos, Asians, Native Americans, Italians as well as the Jewish community and "eurochristianity and eurocatholics." No, this is not uniting. It is division and polarization in its worst form.

Posted by: Core Democrat | May 2, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rat-the,

Here are some of Senator Obama's accomplishments: (He's done other stuff too but these seem the most interesting to me.)

HEALTH CARE
Obama Passed Bipartisan Legislation That Expanded Health Care Coverage To 154,000 Residents, Including 70,000 Children.

WORK/THE ECONOMY

Increased IL minimum wage to $6.50 an hour. (Jun 2004)

Passed Law Creating $100 Million Earned Income Tax Credit, Formed A Political Alliance Of Republicans And Democrats To Pass The EITC.

Passed Whistle-Blower Protection Law.

Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbying the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.

American Jobs: U.S. Senator Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

P.S. I totally respect you for asking. And I have to ask you this...how come you didn't ask about senators McCain and Clinton or for that matter, President Clinton's accomplishments?

True...they've been on the national stage a lot longer but I don't know that much about they've accomplished either.

Anyways, thanks for provoking some thinking on my part.


Posted by: sam | May 2, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

If Candidate X was is a SECRET Muslim, trying to hide that fact by PRETENDING to be a Christian for 20 years, in order to get eleted President of the United States during a war in Iraq, would that cause you any concern?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

There are no basics for Obama anymore. He is toasted in November!!!

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I have heard about the paranoia and backwards attitudes of Americans, but it is really coming out in this election. 'Secret Muslim' - what a farse, but I guess that is the type of thinking you get from a country with a 3rd world edcuation system. Keep it up America, we are laughing at you from our prosperous (no mortage crisis here) and well educated nation. Its sad to the see the Decline of America. Keep voting Clinton and McCain...soon you can flood accross our border and be our 'illigals' who cut our lawns and the such...

Posted by: RobertS | May 2, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

JakeD is a paid Propagandist.

Nothing meaningful can be gained by responding to or acknowledging any of his posts.

It is best to just ignore him

Posted by: Michael | May 2, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad that I don't get pummeled for my right-wing, totally racist, off-the-wall radical preaching. I just love using my pulpit position to spread words of hate and not remember the most basic tenets of Christianity's message of tolerance, self-sacrifice, and learning to understand others.

Posted by: Jerry Falwell | May 2, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Rat, my post on JakeD applies to you as well. Get help.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | May 2, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Instead disliking Obama on substantitive issues, like his position on abortion, drilling in ANWAR, health care, or Iraq, people like JakeD focus on comments and views of his former-pastor.

This type of thought process is just simply stupid. Conversely, I could equally make the stupid comment that Hillary must support sexual harrassment and sexual affairs among married people because Bill Clinton did it for over 20 years.

Posted by: AJ | May 2, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Well JakeD, if it makes you feel any better, I'll let you in on a little secret. Al Maliki is a SECRET Christian trying to spread his Christianly love all over Iraq.

But in all seriousness, I think you should go read a book about Islam or get to know a Mulim before you start spewing fear. I'm more worried about our country being ruled by corporations or owned by foreign interests because of our weak economic position. Is Obama the all mighty saviour? Hell no. But I think it'll be a breath of fresh air and hopefully all Americans will take that opportunity to turn this country in the right direction.

Posted by: Sherlock Holmes | May 2, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

You have posed as a Hillary supporter on WaPo repeatedly, REPEATEDLY, and used that to serve as a basis for attacking Obama. I have called you on it as have others. Nice to see you finally coming clean on being a conservative.

Also like others I have called you on your bigoted posts. Your mother must have taught you to be a bigot because you don't just decide one day, consciously, to be a bigot. It takes the subconscious feeding of childhood combined with the grasping of any fact that might remotely support this so that you don't have to consciously come to grips with your own internalized bigotry.

Sooo much easier to latch onto "Hussein" or that somebody may be "secret Muslim" than to really understand yourself.

JakeD you need professional help.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | May 2, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

to who claim others are paid posters.
To me, you are more like paid posters. You obama supporters go all around internet and attack anyone who don't agree with you.
enough. I know you come from either facebook so called million group or moveon.org
moveon members are such nuts.

Posted by: SuckersupportObama | May 2, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Yes like those. I pity that one too, but can understand it after Tuskeege. There's a pretty wide range of AIDS conspiracy theories. That's but one of them.

9/11 truthers are another matter. They're so nutters about their cause that even if there were a kernel of truth at the core, we'll never find it because they're so damn annoying. No one wants to listen to them.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

JakeD and Rat-the have turned this comment blog into a useless exercise. There is no reasoning with fanatics that choose to use smear tactics and slander antics to do, well, hmmmmm... what are you trying to do, you two? Let us know how we should vote and why. I'd be interested in hearing that take instead of extreme allegations and mistruthes. So, JakeD and Rat-the, we're listening: who should be the next President of the United States and why?

Posted by: The Listener | May 2, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

Actions speak louder than words... None of your posts would indicate otherwise which are you a paid propagandist or an idiot?

Posted by: Michael | May 2, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

JAKE D and THE RAT are paid posters and idiots both. You can find them at a local trailer park near you or on the Jerry Springer show.

Posted by: Doug McMullen | May 2, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
With the Indiana and North Carolina primaries less than 96 hours away, making its way around the pro-Obama blogosphere is a clip in this video of former prominent Clinton administration official Mickey Kantor calling Indianans an expletive. It is an excerpt from the movie "The War Room" about the 1992 Clinton campaign. Kantor, James Carville and George Stephanopoulos are reading over results from various states, including Indiana, when Kantor says:

"Look at Indiana, wait, wait, look at Indiana: 42-40. It doesn't matter if we win. Those people are [expletive]. Excuse me."

Kantor is a supporter of Hillary Clinton's, listed on the Clinton campaign Web site as one of several former Clinton administration officials backing her candidacy. He is also reported to be an informal adviser to her 2008 campaign.

Posted by: Sandra | May 2, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"Very funny. But, seriously, IF Obama is a SECRET Muslim, trying to hide that fact by PRETENDING to be a Christian for 20 years, in order to get eleted President of the United States during a war in Iraq, that wouldn't cause you any concern? What about you, Mason? Carol?"

No. I refuse to conceed the premise at it asummes Obama's preknowdge of the current and prior war in Iraq. Try again with something that doesn't violate causality.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

michael:

Neither.

Pedraza:

He will not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009. Mark my words.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

JakeD...you are about as confused as Hillary Clinton is on Bosnia sniper-fire!

After all the Rev. Wright hoopla, you are still trying to paint Obama as a Muslim. Pathetic!

Posted by: AJ | May 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to Mason -- you mean "conspiracy theories" like the U.S. government is spreading HIV/AIDS in order to kill all the African-Americans?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

THE RAT you at least have aptly named yourself.

Beyond recognizing yourself as a rat or vermin you have absolutely no other redeeming value on this or any other board.

Posted by: Pablo Neruda | May 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

You are either a paid poster whose intent is to spread propaganda and decrease the signal to noise ratio or an idiot. Which is it?

Posted by: michael | May 2, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

democrats are stupid. why would in the world they vote for obama? the only thing he is good at is his skin.

Posted by: DAMNOBAMA | May 2, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Fine, Mason, if it helps you answer the question, substitute the name Obama with "Candidate X".

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is easily identified as a man of high moral fiber and incredible intellect.

He is learning about the kitchen sinks and how dirty traditional politics is. That is all good because he is after all still the front runner and has come from nowhere to where he is now. How about a little applause for his campaign team and his management of the efforts to date. These lessons will serve him well when the Karl Roves and the self appointed moral majority types show up and try to paint him as whatever they feel is negative to the public.

Barack Obama will be our next President and that is a great thing for our great nation.

Vote Barack Obama the real deal folks..

Posted by: Pedraza | May 2, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

No Muslim would have his infant children baptized. If you think that's just part of his "Master Plan", I have pity for you. It doesn't matter if you want it or not, because I pity people who see conspiracies in every shadow. Looking beneath the surface is admirable, but don't let your imagination run wild.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

That's right Obama...it's time to go back to the basics, the economy and Iraq War. The two are tied together to some degree even though most Americans don't understand how. Obama needs to expose Hillary for her political pandering.

Obama needs to be playing up his support for alternative fuels like ethanol and biodiesel in the 2005 Energy Bill and summarize the positive impact on the Indiana economy, and then throw in the fact that Senator Evan Bayh voted for the Energy Bill and Hillary voted against it.

Posted by: AJ | May 2, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Sherlock Holmes:

Very funny. But, seriously, IF Obama is a SECRET Muslim, trying to hide that fact by PRETENDING to be a Christian for 20 years, in order to get eleted President of the United States during a war in Iraq, that wouldn't cause you any concern? What about you, Mason? Carol?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I am 62 years old and I have reached some basic conclusions about life and politics.

If there are two guys and one is talking about what he wants to do and the other is talking about what is wrong with the other guy. The first is the one to vote for. If one side is funded by big donations and the other by the little guy... It will cost me money if I vote for the first.

A true agent of change will always catch flack from all sides and be seen as evil... meaning he or she is a threat.

Posted by: Michael | May 2, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

He's not a god damn muslim. Get that through your wrought iron dome.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

You also did not answer my question: wouldn't a secret Muslim trying to hide that fact in order to get eleted President of the United States PRETEND to be a Christian for 20 years?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Factcheck.

Looks like your checked your facts at the door. The only camp trying to rewrite the rules of the primaries is HRC's. Florida and Michigan don't count by decision of the DNC. Hillary wants them to count.

And if Rove were trying to get GOPers to cross over and vote for BHO then why would Rush be running Operation Chaos like he has been. You do know that Rove has been quoted as saying that talk radio is a "direct line" to their supporters. If Rove were really masterminding this in the way that article suggests, do you really think Rush would work at cross purposes to Karl? If there's one thing I admire the GOP for, it's their ability to stay on message. I just don't see that kind of conflict occuring.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey JakeD, if Obama is a secret Muslim, I'll get to the bottom of this. And I can call my friends to back me up too: Green Lantern, Sgt Slaughter, and He-man.

Posted by: Sherlock Holmes | May 2, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

I would have no problem with an OPEN Muslim President (see above).

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Carol:

I'm sure you are just going to "ignore" this, but for everyone else to know, I am not a racist; nor am I "afraid of Muslims". However, I would hope that NO ONE (other than unnamed co-conspirators) would, in fact, vote for a SECRET Muslim PRETENDING to be a Christian for 20 years, trying to hide that fact in order to get eleted President of the United States, during a war in Iraq, etc.

Even apart from that question, Obama's (lack of) judgment is a relevant point (as already admitted above.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

You're not yoda. Rat is. (The rat vs Rat The. Talking in riddles. weird punctuation etc.)

And to answer your question. No. He's not a muslim. It's a dumb question because it's been answered so god damn many times before. So stop asking.

Even if he was, so what? You're afraid of a muslim being president? What the hell is wrong with you? This isn't a dictator ship. Even if we had a muslim president there's no way we would edge tworads sharia law so long as we have judges, congress, and citizens who wouldn't accept it. That's the problem with you necons and theocons. You've been drinking the executive power or religious kool-aid so long that you've forgotten about the other two branches and the anti-establishment clause. Even if we had a muslim president, we wouldn't turn into Iran.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

How does Obama still manage to wrap himself in the mantle of "change"? Between his corrupt Chicago political resume (i.e. the man who financed his elections, Tony Rezko, is on trial for influence peddling and extortion) and the fact that the entire Democratic Party establishment is re-writing the nomination rules every five minutes to give him the edge on Clinton should be a pretty good indication of what we're dealing with here. Anyone who believes this talk about new politics has to be just terribly naive not to realize that a man with a quarter billion dollar war chest isn't the product of the little people, but the malevolent power structure that doing everything possible to prevent another Clinton Administration from digging into their profits. For more on how the election is being manipulated behind the scenes, see the article published at thecityedition.com. http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

Posted by: Factcheck2 | May 2, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Top Clinton Advisor Mickey Kantor calls Indiana voters "worthless white N.gg.rs".


Watch for yourself.

http://www.livesteez.com/videos/watch/vmypmL7

One has to wonder how "Say anything to win Hillary" really feels about the Indiana voters.

Posted by: E Nelson | May 2, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I have stayed away from several sites for the past week (this being one of them) because of all the hate spewing. Whether you are against Hillary or against Obama, can't you disagree without being disagreeable? This hatred is outrageous. Where is the christian character that is so lacking here? May God Have Mercy on You.

Posted by: Billeedee | May 2, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I have a question. Why are some people so afraid of Muslims? I know Muslims and they are decent and hard working. There are some crazy ones out there but that's true for ALL religions. People can be so prejudiced and ignorant. I'm voting based on the views of the acutal candidate not the views of everyone around them. No one can control what everyone around them thinks. Also, people need to ignore stupid racists like JakeD the Rat-The or whatever his name is. People who have hate in their own hearts are quick to falsely accuse it of someone else.

Posted by: Carol | May 2, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

JakeD says:
"Obama's (lack of) judgment is not a relevant point?"

It is, but you're going on about how he's a "secret muslim". That's not relevant. It's false, and it exposes you as a neocon, rascist, and fool. Keep it on topic and verifiable and people will pay you more heed. That's all jac13 is saying.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

I am not Yoda, and I am not saying that I "know" he is a secret Muslim -- that's why I am asking a question -- the only dumb (and, if it was not asked in this case, negligently stupid) question is the one not asked. As for the alleged "cognitive dissonace [sic]", wouldn't a secret Muslim trying to hide that fact in order to get eleted President of the United States PRETEND to be a Christian for 20 years?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Better a secret muslim than a public fool like JakeD or Rat-The? (Who the fark do you think you are? Yoda?)

JD- So you're saying Obama is a secret muslim who's been listinging to a "radical" christian preacher for the last 20 years. The cognitive dissonace of that doublethink should make your head should make your head explode. Yeesh... There *are* fact based arguements to make, you know.

Pennsylvanian - No one cares about you as you're old news. J/k. But seriously, if you want BHO or HRC's opinions on anything, read their web sites and votes on thomas.loc.gov. Don't be lazy and accept the MSM's narrative of event ("Charming Vaipd Kennedyesque African-American vs. Cagey Experienced Former First Lady") when the answers you seek are matters of public record. If you do, you're doing yourself and your country a disservice.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

To answer your question (in case it was not rhetorical): no.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

jac13:

Obama's (lack of) judgment is not a relevant point?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, Rat-the, etc.

You people have turned this blog into a sewer. I've heard more intelligent discussions in locker rooms. Give it a rest, will you? Some of us might just be interested in debating this election on the merits.

Posted by: jac13 | May 2, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Just wow, lets see how fast Clinton kicks this guy off her team
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN_nQOHj__s

Posted by: Vincent | May 2, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

So what are Obama's "basics"?

Tired lines like:

"We are the ones we've been waiting for"

Or "My grandmother is a typical white person.."

Or "Hope, change, "old politics", or "Hillary drop out" or "Hillary and Bill are racists."

Or "Bowling didn't seem to work, I'm better at basketball...I will play basketball."

Yeesh.

Posted by: Pennsylvanian | May 2, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"I mother" = "my mother" : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

darleneishere:

I am not telling lies, since I mother did teach me the value of truth. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 12:10 AM:

Questioning whether he is a secret Muslim cannot be a "lie". Saying I know he is one would be. See the difference?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Another great report from Peter Slevin; if he keeps this up he'll be as bad as Dan Balz.

Meanwhile, BHO has reiterated his support for illegal activity:

http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007668.html

A regular citizen needs to ask him about that, because no hacks from the WaPo or the rest of the MSM are ever going to do it.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | May 2, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

On my comment on Mike Mcnally and JakeD, I forgot to put my name.

darlineishere

Posted by: darlineishere | May 2, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

TheGribbler:

I am a CONSERVATIVE (although registered Independent), so I am not sure what exactly you are referring to as a "farce". Since I have repeatedly criticized Hillary, and stated I wouldn't vote for her in a million years, I also don't know where you get that I was "pretending" to be a supporter of hers.

Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Mike Mcnally and JakeD.....Is it so important to you to have another Republican Administration in the White House that you can tell such ignorant lies? Somebody's mother did not teach their sons the value of truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

MikeMcNally-You should know that Voting is a Right.

It is NOT a Requirement.

To BLINDLY support an Enigma(Who FYI-IS the Puppet of Teddy Kennedy, Lurch, Daschlle, Pelosi, and many others most people would NEVER let be President), because you THINK you know anything about the others, is like getting in Your Car and driving with a Blindfold on!

Better, if you just stay out of the car!

Tell me; What has Barack DONE, that YOU want him to do similarly in the Executive Seat?

I mean accomplishments.

The Question is Open to all "Barry" Sheeple! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, just admit your a neocon farce and quit pretending to be a Hillary supporter.

Posted by: TheGribbler | May 2, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 11:59 AM:

Because, whatever her faults, we know she is not a secret Muslim.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

MikeMcNally:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama won't do the damage McCain or Clinton will -- especially if he is lying about being a secret Muslim -- he will do much worse.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

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WHY DO THE NEOCONS ATTACK OBAMA ?

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why do the neocons attack ONLY Obama?

why are they helping Hillary?
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Data Checker -- nice try, though, at your own guilt by association -- at least you admit it is a legitimate politic tactic, but it's too little, too late.

Operation CHAOS in North Carolina and Indiana Tuesday!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

This election isn't all about what we don't know about Barrack, it's also what we do know about Clinton and McCain. We know McCain will basically follow Bush's disastrous policies to the tee, so if the electorate wants change that leaves him out of the picture. We know Hillary will lie and say anything to get into power. We also know she votes for a lot of Bush's and McCain's policies. She even stood side by side with them against Obama on the gas tax vacation charade. We need to get rid of the Military Commissions Act (torture law) which gives the President unheard of powers. The Patriot Act needs to be chopped up to restore the Bill of Rights. I don't trust Hillary to do that. I think she craves power beyond all loyalty to the people or the constitution. The FCC needs to install new regulations to break up these media conglomerates that allowed Bush to get elected twice. Hillary plays the same game. I think she will help expand the media monopolies. Maybe Obama isn't perfect, but I don't feel he'll do the damage McCain or Clinton will.

Posted by: MikeMcNally | May 2, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Oh, LOL!

"I think it is very relevant for voters to figure out. Is this somebody they can trust? Is this somebody who's going to fight for them? Is this somebody who cares about the same things they do?" Obama asked at a downtown press conference here this morning. "Not only my words have shown, but my actions have shown, over the last 20 years, that my values and my ideals and my character are geared toward helping others."

Yep, 20 Years ago he Betrayed his Muslim Background(Maybe), for a more politically expedient Black Church headed by a Farrakhan Supporting Lunatic and Racist money worshiping/Grabbing Cleric/Preacher.

Supported said Venture until it posed the slightest inconvenience, and then threw everything it/they stood for under his Bus!

I have said it before-here it comes again:

None of this is why Barack Hussein Obama does not have a chance of my support, but has instead earned my opposition.

HIS ACTIONS did it! At least two years of over FORTY THOUSAND Dollars of "Charity", to ONLY Blacks!

Hey "Barry" you RACIST; Your MOTHER was WHITE! Do you HATE HER THAT MUCH?

FOOL, it was your FATHER who Abandoned You!

Or, is it that you blame your Mother for it?

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

OK, fair is fair. Obama was associated with Wright and Clinton is associated with these supporters who are trashing the voters of Indiana. This is really footage the media should look into and any voter in Indiana should look at this before voting....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN_nQOHj__s

Posted by: Data Checker | May 2, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

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