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Clinton's Last Hurrah


Sen. Hillary Clinton acknowledged the crowd as she arrived at the National Building Museum today to suspend her historic presidential bid. (Reuters)

By Anne E. Kornblut
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the most successful female presidential candidate in U.S. history, officially left the race on Saturday with a forceful promise to help elect Sen. Barack Obama -- and a powerful declaration that, even in defeat, a gender barrier had been crossed.

Four days after Obama secured the delegates to win the Democratic nomination, Clinton gave him her unqualified endorsement, finally putting to rest questions about whether she would help unite the party for the general election. In generous and at times soaring terms, Clinton described her cause as united with Obama's, saying that only electing him would achieve the goals of universal health care, a strong economy and the end of the war in Iraq.

"We may have started on separate journeys, but today our paths have merged," Clinton said. She discouraged rehashing the long and divisive Democratic primary campaign, instead asking her supporters -- some of whom, still resentful, booed when she mentioned her former rival during the speech -- to "take our energy, our passion, our strength and to do all we can to help elect Barack Obama the next president of the United States."

"When you hear people saying, or think to yourself, 'if only' or 'what if,' I say -- please don't go there," Clinton said. "Every moment wasted looking back keeps us from moving forward."

She continued: "Life is too short, time is too precious, and the stakes are too high to dwell on what might have been. We have to work together for what still can be. And that is why I will work my heart out to make sure that Sen. Obama is our next president, and I hope and pray that all of you will join me in that effort."

It was a final, emotional end for Clinton's campaign after a year-and-a-half long effort that once seemed unstoppable. A former first lady and one of the most famous women in the world, Clinton, 60, won more than 17 million votes and dozens of primary contests. But it was not enough.

Clinton was met with a deafening roar the moment she entered the atrium at the National Building Museum, where thousands of supporters had gathered for her final rally. "Well, this isn't exactly the party I planned," she opened her remarks, smiling broadly. With her were her daughter, Chelsea; her husband, former President Bill Clinton and her mother, Dorothy Rodham, who turned 89 years three days ago.

The fiercely loyal crowd was emblematic of the biggest challenges facing Obama. Ann Lewis, one of Clinton's longtime friends and advisers, pointed to the enthusiasm in the hall and acknowledged that that kind of fidelity "is not switched with the turn of a faucet."

But Clinton expressed no ambivalence about ending her bid and turning her attention to the fall campaign, although she did not mention Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee, by name.

Clinton described both Obama's success and her own as the result of earlier battles that continue today. She noted that, even as she spoke, the 50th female astronaut was headed into outer space on a mission.

"If we can blast 50 women into space, we will someday launch a woman into the White House," said Clinton, who throughout the campaign often mentioned her own thwarted desire to be an astronaut at a time when women were not allowed to apply.

"And although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it," she said.

Clinton said that her own journey would make it easier for other women in the future. "You can be so proud that from now on it will be unremarkable for a woman to win primary state victories, unremarkable to have woman in a close race to be our nominee, unremarkable to think that a woman can be the president of the United States," she said. "And that is truly remarkable, my friends."

She continued: "To those who are disappointed that we couldn't go all the way ... it would break my heart if, in falling short of my goal, I in any way discouraged any of you from pursuing yours. Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in."

On Friday, in one of the first visible steps toward party unity, Chelsea Clinton flew to Texas to appear at the Democratic state convention to thank her mother's supporters -- the first family member to publicly encourage backing Obama. "My mother wants it to be very clear that we are going to unite our party," she told the convention. There has been some speculation that Obama might reach out to the younger daughter as a potential bridge between the two camps.

After Saturday's speech, which was broadcast live around the world, Obama issued a statement welcoming her support and thanking her.

"Obviously, I am thrilled and honored to have Senator Clinton's support. But more than that, I honor her today for the valiant and historic campaign she has run," Obama said.

"She shattered barriers on behalf of my daughters and women everywhere, who now know that there are no limits to their dreams," he said. "And she inspired millions with her strength, courage and unyielding commitment to the cause of working Americans. Our party and our country are stronger because of the work she has done throughout her life, and I'm a better candidate for having had the privilege of competing with her in this campaign. No one knows better than Senator Clinton how desperately America and the American people need change, and I know she will continue to be in the forefront of that battle this fall and for years to come,"

Other Democratic leaders issued statements of praise -- and relief. "My heart is with her and her remarkable family today," Rep. Rahm Emanuel, a former Clinton administration official and friend to both the Clintons and Obamas, said in a statement. "Although she fell short in the delegate race, her campaign was successful in the larger sense. She took issues that dominate the dinner table and put them on. center stage. Because of Hillary we are closer to the day when every family has a family doctor; every working person has a good job, and every girl and boy can dare to dream."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi praised Clinton for running a "courageous and groundbreaking campaign."

If Clinton had sought a sense of closure, the event seemed to offer it. Young staff members, now jobless, hugged each other and passed out business cards. More recognizable Clinton stalwarts -- from Terry McAuliffe to Rep. Anthony Weiner and Sidney Blumenthal -- wandered the floor. So many reporters and news crews were on hand that aides said it was the largest event of the election season, dwarfing even her announcement speech and first trip to Iowa in January of 2007.

Ellen Malcolm of EMILY's List, which ardently backed Clinton, said she has been surprised in her conversations how many Clinton loyalists had not yet focused on the choice in the general election. She said women are the key to victory in the fall and Obama will have to work to get them, but added, "Once the spotlight is on the choice between Senator Obama and Senator McCain, the picture will become clearer."

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The history of America belongs to past (Olvin Tafler said ). If I was in your mother position, Chelses I would resign from my condidancy . We are enough famous chelsea to form big parties in Shiraz. Your mother can accept the responsibility of women rights around the world. The Engelish lady whom through herself in front of king's hourse. We have the experience of Margaret totcher, the prime minister of New Zealad.advertising forpresidency is very ugly especially in front ofmedia in sattelites. peoplearewatching your mother. If motherdoes not resign I will solk with you.

Posted by: James Love | June 17, 2008 4:30 AM

Calm down, sweetie.

Posted by: Jim Walters | June 17, 2008 1:46 AM

Posted by " "
"Keith: Where is this stench? I have followed this election VERY CLOSELY and have not heard a word of sexism coming from the Obama camp ...So, substantiate "

If you've followed this campaign so closely, how did you miss Obama's putdown of a female reporter with his "sweetie" remark. Oh, it's just a habit huh? Shows how deeply sexism is embedded in Obama's character.

Read the comments in this bolg if you need more vile evidence of sexism -

Only a person accustomed to sexism wouldn't see the rampent sexism in this primary.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 2:25 PM

Say yes to Obama - say YES to hatred for our country and say YES YES YES to racism against whites and Jews that Obama has been studying and endorsing in his church for 20 years.

Vote for racism and hatred - vote Obama.

Posted by: OBAMAHATESWHITEAMERICA | June 10, 2008 3:36 AM


All this talk about the debates is somebody lying. There were only two debates between Hillary and Barach and he refused more because she bested him.

The other debates were with the other candidates (which just happened to be male)and all of them (including Obama) ganged up on Hillary because she was the front runner just like they did Howard Dean when he was the frontrunner. All of these negative men, mostly Edwards and Obama since they were running strongest, really went after Hillary. It wasn't her fault she was sharper and smarter.

Go back and watch those debates and you wouldn't vote for any of those men, including Obama. I know I'm not.

Posted by: Katherine | June 9, 2008 7:11 PM

Read this and understand why he didn´t dare to have a free debate against Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Elisabeth | June 9, 2008 10:47 AM
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Your right, he and Hillary had over 20 of them, not counting the ABC "debate" which was an attempted lynching.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 4:24 PM

it's amazing what $20 mill can get you.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 4:18 PM

Keith: Where is this stench? I have followed this election VERY CLOSELY and have not heard a word of sexism coming from the Obama camp, yeah, there are some voters out there that will make distasteful comments but I don't know of one single voter who voted against Hillary because she is a woman.

Personally, I don't care if a candidate has a third arm growing out of their forehead if I think they are best for the job.

Hillary started with and maintained high negatives during her campaign. Their are a lot of people who just don't like her as a person.

So, substantiate your "sexist" statements.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 4:16 PM

I gotta tell you - every time I think about voting Obama, I go on any comment area, any forum, and there is just this incredible sexist stench from Obama supporters. Is this really the kind of people, attitude, you really want running a government? Is a vote for Obama jumping from the frying pan into the fire? Judge for yourself.

Posted by: Keith | June 9, 2008 2:27 PM

Recoil Election
Peggy Noonan

It is the most amazing thing that a young black man who was just a few short years ago unknown to most of his country--really, unknown--could, this week, win the presidential nomination of one of our two great political parties. It is even more amazing that this historic news could be overshadowed by the personal drama and spite of the woman who lost to him.

I like it that she spent the campaign accusing America of being sexist, of treating her differently because she is a woman, and then, when she lacked the grace to congratulate the victor, she sent her stewards out to tell the press she just needs time, it's so emotional. In other words, she needs space because she's a woman.

A friend sent, by instant message, the AP flash that ran at 16:56 ET on 06-03-2008. There it was suddenly on my screen:

"*** WASHINGTON (AP)--Obama clinches Democratic nomination, making him first black candidate to lead his party."

A great old-school bulletin, and of course it carried a huge and moving message. It is good when barriers fall; it's good when possibilities seem to open up to more people, especially the young, who are always watching. (That's what's wrong with them, they're always watching, and we're always doing terrible things, like, say, not congratulating the winner on the night he won.)

But what I thought of when the friend sent the flash was something another friend told me months ago. It was the night Mr. Obama won Alabama. My friend was watching on TV, in his suburban den. His 10-year-old daughter walked in, looked, saw "Obama Wins" and "Alabama." She said, "Daddy, we saw a documentary on Martin Luther King Day in school." She said, "That's where they used the hoses." Suddenly my friend saw it new. That's the place they used the water hoses on the civil rights marchers crossing the bridge. And now look. The black man thanking Alabama for his victory.

What kind of place makes a change like this? Only a great nation. We should love it tenderly every day of our lives.

* * *

We will hear a lot of tasteful tributes this weekend to Hillary Clinton's grit and fortitude. The Washington-based media may go a little over the top, but only out of relief. They know her well and recoil at what she stands for. They also know they don't like her, so to balance it out they'll gush.

But this I believe is the truth: America dodged a bullet. That was the other meaning of the culminating events of this week.

Mrs. Clinton would have been a disaster as president. Mr. Obama may prove a disaster, and John McCain may, but she would be. Mr. Obama may lie, and Mr. McCain may lie, but she would lie. And she would have brought the whole rattling caravan of Clintonism with her--the scandal-making that is compulsive, the drama that is unending, the sheer, daily madness that is her, and him.

We have been spared this. Those who did it deserve to be thanked. May I rise in a toast to the Democratic Party.

They had a great and roaring fight, a state-by-state struggle unprecedented in the history of presidential primaries. They created the truly national primary. They brought 36 million people to the polls, including the young, minorities and first-time voters. They brought a kind of dogged brio to the year.

All of this is impressive, but more than that, they threw off Clintonism. They threw off the idea that corruption is part of the game, an acceptable fact. They threw off the idea that dynasticism was an unstoppable dynamic in modern politics, that Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton could, would, go on forever. They said: "No, that is not the way we do it."

They threw off the idea of inevitability. Mrs. Clinton didn't lose because she had no money or organization, she didn't lose because she had no fame or name, she didn't lose because her policies were unusual or dramatically unpopular within her party. She lost because enough Democrats looked at her and thought: I don't like that, I don't like the way she does it, I'm not going there. Most candidates lose over things, not over their essential nature. But that is what happened here. For all her accomplishments and success, it was her sketchy character that in the end did her in.

But the voters had to make the decision. So, to the Democrats: A nod. A bow. Well done.

May this mark the beginning of the remoralization of a great party.

Posted by: PeggyNoonanBowstoDems | June 9, 2008 1:04 PM

The headline is wrong- This is far from Clinton's last Hurrah.

Hillary Clinton gave a brilliant concession speech. More than Obama could have hoped for.

But at the same time she proved what Joe Biden said about her last week to be true. Win or lose Hillary Clinton is the most powerful female politician in the nation. She can inspire hate but she can inspire passion and it is the passion that makes her unstoppable.

Whether in the Senate, as the VP candidate or as a future Presidential candidate should she decide it is what she wants, she will be strong.

Hillary Clinton has now clearly claimed the mantel of leader of what is left of the women's movement and can if she likes resurrect it. She could re-introduce the ERA should she want to. She will be the most sought after fundraiser for Democrats across the nation for years to come. She will outshine any VP who Obama names and she will clearly outshine Nancy Pelosi.

She will be the focus of Universal Health care in the Senate if Obama is President and the leader of the loyal oppoisition if McCain wins.

She will work her heart out for Obama and can claim to have helped his victory if he does win, but will not be responsible if he loses.

Hillary Clinton is very far from her last Hurrah. In fact this was most likely only her first Hurrah and we in America, both men and women, will be proud of all she will yet accomplish.

Posted by: peter DC | June 9, 2008 12:59 PM

FUTURE NEWS SYNDICATE

Lost Tribe Of Hillary Holdouts Found

- BREAKING NEWS -

The first contact in several years with remnants of a holdout band of Hillary Clinton supporters took place yesterday, with a helicopter flyover identifying the handful of survivors. Unwilling to concede that the 2008 Democratic presidential primary had been fairly conducted, the hardy but dwindling tribe became increasingly isolated during the Obama/Leahy administrations, eschewing television and rumored to be surviving only on moss, pant suit juice and the occasional squirrel.

Following the merger of the Republican and Democratic Parties and repeal of the 22nd Amendment in 2015 which allowed Beloved Leader Obama's election to a third term by an unprecedented Electoral College vote of 538 - 0, the tribe disappeared and has not been heard from for several years. Until this sighting, the continued existence of the "Hillarians" was doubted and their story had passed into the realm of urban legend.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 12:42 PM

'...Woman who vote for McBush because they are sore losers do NOTHING to destroy the negative stereotypes that men have about women being short sighted'...you know what Becky? Grow up. THIS is the sterotype that woman fight against. This is not a GAME, it's an election where people vote for the candidate and issues that respond to them. SORE LOSERS indeed.

Posted by: OlderWoman | June 9, 2008 12:36 PM

Hillary supporters - take this advise seriously.

Posted by: Elisabeth | June 9, 2008 10:47 AM

Spell much, Elisabeth? Who would take the advice of someone who can't even spell the word?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 11:06 AM

Hillary supporters - take this advise seriously. Barack Obama is capable to associate with you, to lead you to a specific "destination" and than abondon you while his own reputation is spared. Separate from him and the Obama campaign as fast as possible.

And stay loyal to Hillary Clinton. Hopefully Barack Obamas strategic efforts will be his own fall one day. The sooner the better for the US. Hillary has to stay ready to take over AND BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE NATION. I say, don´t sell your soul to an evil manipulator.

Read this and understand why he didn´t dare to have a free debate against Hillary Clinton. http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/post_13.html

Posted by: Elisabeth | June 9, 2008 10:47 AM

Hillary Clinton's speech was one of the best I ever heard...I hope her supporters think about what she said and take it to heart...Woman who vote for McBush because they are sore losers do NOTHING to destroy the negative stereotypes that men have about women being short sighted, petty and selfish.

Posted by: Becky | June 9, 2008 9:57 AM

I am an Obama supporter, but I thought Hillary was very gracious on Saturday. I welcome her support and the support of her voters in the general election.

Posted by: Andrew | June 9, 2008 9:56 AM

Yes, I made spelling errors. How imperfect we can all be at times. Should I repeat this over, and over, and over?

ASPERGIRL,
Get another job, work wit a charitable organization, seek help, then have a bath. Or, Drink lots of coffee and put on a diaper so you can pee a print garbage all day and night. Bless you America, you are in for change. Change for the better. Why is anyone still speaking of Senator Clintons Dream world, women's rights, Black verses white? Bring your young men and women back home, sorry, can't be done for they lost their homes and there are no jobs left.
Perhaps the above sicko is right. I am A Dreamer, I am Justada55+. I want to see change for all our American neighbors.

Posted by: justadad55+ | June 9, 2008 6:56 AM

ASPERGIRL,
Get another job, work wit a charitable organization, seek help, then have a bath. Or, Drink lots of coffee and put on a diaper so you can pee a print garbage all day and night. Bless you America, you are in for change. Change for the better. Why is anyone still speaking of Senator Clintons Dream world, women's rights, Black verses white?? Bring you young men and women back home, sorry, can't be done for they lost their homes and there are no jobs left.
Perhaps the above sicko is right. I am A Dreamer, I am Justada55+.

Posted by: justadad55+ | June 9, 2008 6:48 AM

Where do the idiots come from who post the garbage on this blog or whatever the hell it is. Constant repetition of lies about Obama, constant whining of Clinton supporters, and then those who defy definition of any kind due to the intemperate language and lack of any cohesiveness/intelligence. Billary believed she was the anointed heir to the presidency and anyone who challenged her was an outrageous upstart who should be struck down, hence, the Kennedy, late June comment. Maybe she supports Obama, but I liken her to Lucy Brown holding the football for Charlie Brown. If McBush wins, the draft will have to be reinstated to provide cannon fodder for all of the wars which will then follow, Iran, Syria, etc.

Posted by: JM | June 9, 2008 6:21 AM

Obama and his supporters with their smugness can stuff it.
I'm voting for McCain, and if abortion rights get taken away, I really don't care.

Posted by: veronica | June 7, 2008 8:43 PM

I am a feminist, and there is no way I will support Obama. I would rather see the feminist movement die than see Obama become president. I was really hurt that Clinton did not get the nomination. Now McCain gets my vote. I could care less that Obama is a champion of women's rights with a 100% rating from NARAL. I hope McCain turns back the strides in equal rights for women--as he has promised to do--for all I care.

I could care less that McCain laughed hysterically on camera when someone called Hillary a bit*h or that he has said Chelsea Clinton is so ugly because Janet Reno is her father. My bruised feelings are of primary importance to me and the ONLY thing that matters is ME. Until the Democratic Party BLINDLY rubber stamps all female Democratic candidates for President--no matter what rules they break or how often they lie, cheat, steal, race bait and assassination dream--This is what they get!

We will promise to swing the election but--just like the paltry few who showed up to demonstrate for Hillary's 'suffrage movement'--we won't make any difference whatsoever in preventing President Obama's victory.

Posted by: SuchGENIUSThinking | June 9, 2008 12:14 AM

The younger women of this country that have thrown away all the work done by older women so they can pursue anything they want in life...We worked very hard so they can be anything they want to be.
Posted by: older women revolt | June 8, 2008 10:15 PM

Except, apparently, an Obama supporter.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 12:13 AM

Obama and his supporters with their smugness can stuff it.
I'm voting for McCain, and if abortion rights get taken away, I really don't care.

Posted by: veronica | June 7, 2008 8:43 PM

I am a feminist, and there is no way I will support Obama. I would rather see the feminist movement die than see Obama become president. I was really hurt that Clinton did not get the nomination. Now McCain gets my vote. I could care less that Obama is a champion of women's rights with a 100% rating from NARAL. I hope McCain turns back the strides in equal rights for women--as he has promised to do--for all I care.

I could care less that McCain laughed hysterically on camera when someone called Hillary a bit*h or that he has said Chelsea Clinton is so ugly because Janet Reno is her father. My bruised feelings are of primary importance to me and the ONLY thing that matters is ME. Until the Democratic Party BLINDLY rubber stamps all female Democratic candidates for President--no matter what rules they break or how often they lie, cheat, steal, race bait and assassination dream--This is what they get!

We will promise to swing the election but--just like the paltry few who showed up to demonstrate for Hillary's 'suffrage movement'--we won't make any difference whatsoever in preventing President Obama's victory.

Posted by: SuchGENIUSThinking | June 9, 2008 12:10 AM

Quote: "The younger women of this country that have thrown away all the work done by older women so they can pursue anything they want in life, are jeopardizing their uteruses."

Wow, now we are divided by age too? Some women believe Obama is a better candidate. And after all you don't think we should pick the nominee bases on sex, correct? We want who we feel is the best person, correct?

You should be proud that we are finally at the point where we can decide between two equally qualified candidates which one do we like better.

To fall back now and say she deserved to win because she is a female pretty much negates your views that all you wanted was an equal opportunity to compete.

Imagine the scenario of Hillary beating
Obama but losing to McCain. Would we have to listen to all these same tirades about the country is unfair and didn't treat Hillary fair and square?

Because that is the same argument you are making now.

Posted by: Bob | June 8, 2008 11:33 PM

The younger women of this country that have thrown away all the work done by older women so they can pursue anything they want in life, are jeopardizing their uteruses. We worked very hard so they can be anything they want to be.
Posted by: older women revolt | June 8, 2008 10:15 PM

Except, apparently, an Obama supporter.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 8, 2008 10:53 PM

kravitz said, "Clinton supporters who say they will vote for McCain may as well just cut out their own uterus with a scissors and leave it with the trash."

What the hell??? Well, to tell you the truth, you can have my uterus, I'm not using it anymore!!

The younger women of this country that have thrown away all the work done by older women so they can pursue anything they want in life, are jeopardizing their uteruses. We worked very hard so they can be anything they want to be. Well, they will have to live with their decision to support Obama.

Posted by: older women revolt | June 8, 2008 10:15 PM

if obama loses to mccain will it be my fault because i am white? i am not voting for obama.. has to be my skin color thats making the decision for me..u think? i am confused!

Posted by: confused | June 8, 2008 6:02 PM

Clinton supporters who say they will vote for McCain may as well just cut out their own uterus with a scissors and leave it with the trash.

They're doing it anyway by voting for him.

Posted by: kravitz | June 8, 2008 5:36 PM

AN UNFORTUNATE TREND -

POLITICS OF REACTION
--
Voters for almost a generation, have voted against sitting Presidents, rather than FOR a new candidate.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/06/politics-of-reaction.html

Posted by: PacificGatePost | June 8, 2008 3:14 PM

It seems race is all Obama''s supporters care about, even stooping low enough to falsely accuse the Clintons of racism! the Clintons, who have stood up for blacks and against racism for so many years! I will NEVER vote for Obama now, he and his foul minded supporters don''t deserve my vote, or the votes and support of any of Hillary's supporters. Sorry Hillary, unless he chooses you for the other half of this ticket, I cannot support him even if you ask me to, can''t do it.

Posted by: Hillary All the Way | June 8, 2008 3:03 PM

Arg! You called them anti-choice. You don't know how happy that makes me. The term "pro-life" in and of itself is a load of propaganda. As if by not supporting a government ban on abortion, people were "anti-life." The notion is ludicrous.

Yes, I agree. Hillary was right when she said that just because her dream hadn't come true, we shouldn't stop ours from coming true. Look how far we've come! Yes, America is still sexist, racist, ignorant and xenophobic, but look at how amazing we are as well! Proud, loving, charitable, patriotic, innovative, creative... the Bush administration highlighted the negatives; the chance to put Barack in the White House, now that Hillary can't be there, makes me see all the positives.

Posted by: Ginevra Weasley Potter | June 8, 2008 1:41 PM

Oil price relief will come when the Afghan/Pakistan oil pipeline is built delivering a million new barrels of oil a day into the market. Which candidate wants to increase our presence in Afghanistan? Which candidate may invade Iran cutting off their 2 million barrels a day?

Posted by: Jimbo | June 8, 2008 4:50 AM

I am amazed at most of these comments. You guys sound like crazy, conspiracy theorists. I was fascinated with this campaign between Clinton and Obama and I have followed it in depth for months. What an amazing time in the history of our country and you guys are acting like nuts! Please pull it together. If for no other reason, this war needs to end as soon as it possibly can. No more of our men and women should have to be killed or injured for Bush's unjust war.

Posted by: debtala | June 8, 2008 4:40 AM

Obama is not the legitimate candidate because of the FL and MI contests is nothing but nonsense. Give Clinton a 60-40 win in both and she picks up 40 delegates with full votes and still is short in delegate count. Bubba won with less than 45% of popular, Gore won popular and lost (thank you Supreme Court). The Clinton pundits are wrong about 2012 since the party is PO at Hillary for running a divisive campaign they will not support her if Obama loses. 2016 is where she has a shot if Obama wins, as pressure from the NY endorsees forced her obvious capitulation. Clinton supporters don't vote for Obama with a 90% congruent platform, she becomes the radioactive Dubya of the Democratic party.

Posted by: Jimbo | June 8, 2008 4:21 AM

"Pelosi was a de facto Obama surrogate who rigged the nomination for Obama. Obama did not get the nomination fair and square. Pelosi's comments are meaningless words of hypocrisy."

Dude, it gets worse. She is actually reports to the Tri-Lateral Commission. They killed Kennedy and they put Putin into his new job. Don't you think its odd the new Pope was a Hiler Youth in WW2? They make all the decisions that we have no control over. They are currently rebalancing world power by draining our dollars and laudering them through Middle Eastern banks located in Switzerland. That's why there are more billionaires in Russia than any where else. Look it up on the internet.

Don't worry about Clinton. Bill has millions in his bank acount. Where did all that money come from? And he has to hide the fact too. They have been well compensated my friend. Don't you worry about that.

The funny thing is, Obama thinks he is in control. Joke is on him. We'll see. They always make the final decisions. You'll see.

Posted by: Bob | June 8, 2008 3:37 AM

Hilary supporters for McCane, united.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Let's see, Hillary wants to pull out all the troops, wants government health care, wants to put some liberal judges on the Supreme Court, thinks we have lost civil rights since they passed the Patriot Acts, believes in right-to-life legislation but I can't vote for her. Hmmmm....what to do? Need to find a candidate who reflects her views. What to do????

Oh, of course! John McCain!! Brilliant! It's a no brainer. His views are really close to what Hillary believes in.

That's it. I vote for McCain and all these things Hillary believes in will be safe and will be implemented by McCain. Yes, that's beautiful.

Hey, wouldn't that be cool if McCain became president and he picked Hillary to be his first selection to became a Supreme Court Justice?

I like this plan more and more now that I have thought it.

Posted by: Humpty Dumpty | June 8, 2008 3:27 AM

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi praised Clinton for running a 'courageous and groundbreaking campaign.'"

Pelosi was a de facto Obama surrogate who rigged the nomination for Obama. Obama did not get the nomination fair and square. Pelosi's comments are meaningless words of hypocrisy.

With Sen. Clinton's exit, the corrupt Democratic Party can kiss the White House goodbye. Sen. Clinton's supporters in swing states Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Florida should campaign and vote for McCain. Obama must win atleast three of these swing states to win in November. I will volunteer and vote for McCain in a swing state.

Posted by: crat3 | June 8, 2008 2:55 AM

"Obama was selected not elected"
If he loses Ohio, WVa and Florida..
all you over confident elitists will only have yourselves to blame....

Posted by: Chapelle | June 8, 2008 1:35 AM

Posted by: Chapelle | June 8, 2008 1:32 AM

The jokers below like the Bourasa clown think NObama will win SC, VA, and so on, because a few more people turned up in the primaries on the dem side than on the Rethug side.

Dream on.

These jokers will change their analysis as and when it suits their purpose. For a while they were claiming that NObama will not necessarily lose those states (like PA, CA, NJ) in NOV, just because he lost them in the primaries.

In 2004, Dems thought they had superior ground game. They were giving the example of 2000 elections, when Gore was surprisingly close, although polls did n't show it. The Kerry got whacked in OH, FL, and other states, because Hispanics did n't roll their way, the religious crazies turned out in full force, and so on.

If you think Kerry got whacked, think before you build dreams on NObama. With comments like "bitter people cling to religion and guns and racism" (hmm, brilliant, in one stroke, he p**sed off religious voters, 2nd amentment guys, and of course all the white people), if you think primary turnout is any reflection of what might happen in NOV, then NObama gutter rat fans are even more stupid than I thought.

Right wingers might not be crazy about McCain, but when they are remindedof above comment, shown videos of Wright and that other idiot from last week from that Trinity church, reminded of Michele's pearls, and reminded of NObama's support of late term abortions, gay right support, gun ban support, love for Ahmedinejad, vow to raise social security tax, ban fossil fuels, ban NAFTA, raise budgets for NEA, etc etc., the Rethugs will have no trouble raising their ground game. And we know, when both Dems and Rethugs play their best ground game, it is unfortunately, the Rethugs that will win.

Not to mention that race unfortunately continues to be a factor. Think of Tom Braddley effect, Doug WIlder effect; now it will be called NObama effect. Subtract 5 points from any poll numbers from NObama.

Posted by: intcamd1 | June 8, 2008 1:08 AM

Obama is an agent of change in a year where change is wanted. Obama's fund raising, his organization his ability to learn from mistakes, his personality all are advantages over McCain.

The idea of town hall meetings with both man speaking to the same audience would be terrific for democracy in this country. It might even set a standard for future elections.

The fact that McCain made the request and has the reputation of being good in this venue means the expectations for Obama will be lower. If they turn out to look equal that will be a victory for the Democrat. I think that Obama may have the added advantage of being able to goad McCain into an outburst of anger.
Whatever the outcome, the country will be the better off because of it.

Posted by: Gator-ron | June 8, 2008 1:04 AM

Obama doesn't know how to lead the country in recession. He has to triple everyone taxes to pay for half of his economic promises. Bush screwed up this country and Obama will finish it. Hilary supporters for McCane, united.

Posted by: kira | June 8, 2008 12:18 AM

BudO - Thank you very much ! You told it exactly like it is. Hillary Clinton is the only one of the Democratic Candidates, who went negative in a big way. Her loss had very little to do with misogyny, and much to do with her projection of entitlement. That's why in her desperation at seeing her entitlement disappearing, she became so demeaning of her colleague. She did adopted Obama's technique of giving all the credit to her supporters, but then used that technique, to imply to them, that they were the victims of sexism, from the Obama campaign and the Democratic party, as she pretended, that she was. All women are victims of sexism at one time or another, but Hillary directing this towards her party and Obama's campaign specifically was only self-serving. She had EXACTLY THE SAME RULES as Obama, the same caucuses and MORE PARTY SUPPORT, when she started. ONLY when she began losing did the rules become UNFAIR, were caucuses UNFAIR, was the party OUT TO GET HER. She sure is SOME FEMINIST, clinging to her two-timing husband for the perks. I personally find her disingenuous, self-centered and "plastic", as they used to say in the sixties. Her concession speech was still about how wonderful she was, and her supporters are, but ONLY because they are supporting HER. However, I would still vote for her, rather than McShrub, because, no president is an island and better to have Democratic thinkers guiding her/him than"neo-con" ones.

Posted by: Carlos Idelone | June 7, 2008 11:39 PM

Dan Henninger is saying what I've suspected for a long time - entrenched, powerful Dem liberals have clenched their teeth and held their tongues - re the Clintonista melodrama and stench - for a long time.

But now that they've got a new star to rally around, Clinton stock is sinking like the Titanic.

And it'll be jolly good fun to watch.

Posted by: Chuckamok | June 7, 2008 11:16 PM

aspercreame has been posting for month's, introduced by the most viral repug that has ever haunted this board... svreader. It (aspergrl) claims to be retired military, electrical engineering temporarily unemployed. It has indeed used stock market news and Obama a Muslim viral messaging as a daily chant. We used to think it was an AIPAC troll, but now we suspect repug. Just like svreader, collects the souls of the blubbering women folk.

Anyway, to find it, find a regular thread post, where you have to register, find her name, click on it and it will take you to it. It posts on everything from HRC to McCain to Gay Weddings (go figure). We generally ignore her rants, as we all have had mush fun at her expense. She is repug vermin.

Posted by: Pubichaironmycokecan | June 7, 2008 10:45 PM

Just today, AsperGirl claimed to be a woman of leisure who manages her family's investments while her husband climbs the corporate ladder. Nothing about the military or ee. Miliatry and ee lean heavily toward AsperGirl being AsperGUY.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 11:04 PM

hcgogo - But Hill-Bot couldn't fool enough to secure the nomination.

Oh well. There's always 2012, ey? ;)

Posted by: Chcgogo | June 7, 2008 11:01 PM

Obama can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but he cannot fool all the people all the time.

Posted by: hcgogo | June 7, 2008 10:58 PM

"What started the price of oil spiking to historic levels on two dramatic days starting on the day Clinton announced she was conceding the race? What was the fear and sense of doom spread across the collective mind of the markets?"

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 7:13 PM

So AsperTARD thinks rising oil prices last week are not linked to supply and demand but a sudden 'sense of doom' that Obama would be the Democratic nominee--something we've all known for weeks?

Time for you meds, AsperTARD.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 10:55 PM

aspercreame has been posting for month's, introduced by the most viral repug that has ever haunted this board... svreader. It (aspergrl) claims to be retired military, electrical engineering temporarily unemployed. It has indeed used stock market news and Obama a Muslim viral messaging as a daily chant. We used to think it was an AIPAC troll, but now we suspect repug. Just like svreader, collects the souls of the blubbering women folk.

Anyway, to find it, find a regular thread post, where you have to register, find her name, click on it and it will take you to it. It posts on everything from HRC to McCain to Gay Weddings (go figure). We generally ignor her rants, as we all have had mush fun at her expense. She is repug vermin.

Posted by: Pubichaironmycokecan | June 7, 2008 10:45 PM

"There is no woman like her."

Gee, were you around when she orchestrated the character assassination of Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Monica Lewinsky, and Juanita Broaddrick, among others?

Any woman who dared to expose BubbaJeff's sexual predations was tossed to the wolves, so that your hero could pursue her political ambition.

And you look up to this person? Why?

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Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | June 7, 2008 10:34 PM

Wow, this sounds like the most perfect person for this blog about Hillary and it endorses profanity and namecalling in the name of democracy. Brings tears to my eyes. Did you guys toss a coin for this one? Good job!

Quote: As a 36 year old woman who started college when Hillary came on the scene, I love her! There is no woman like her. What a great speech. I was like a leaky faucet using my bedsheet to dab at my eyes.
Even though she lost my state, NC, I loved seeing the Clintons visit my town and and state.
I don't understand the venom and profanity on this post list.
But I guess this is America and people can say what they want. That's the beauty of it.
Anyway, Obama said he was honored by her support and endorsement. He is an honest and trustworthy person, so I'm sure he means it, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 10:32 PM

No one cares what you post here.
It's all about the drama. Don't
take any of this seriously people.

What matters is what you do in
November.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 10:27 PM

How many of you guys are sitting at
desks at the Washington Post right now?
Did u decide to relocate to a coffee
shop?

Where's AsperGirl?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 10:25 PM

As a 36 year old woman who started college when Hillary came on the scene, I love her! There is no woman like her. What a great speech. I was like a leaky faucet using my bedsheet to dab at my eyes.
Even though she lost my state, NC, I loved seeing the Clintons visit my town and and state.
I don't understand the venom and profanity on this post list.
But I guess this is America and people can say what they want. That's the beauty of it.
Anyway, Obama said he was honored by her support and endorsement. He is an honest and trustworthy person, so I'm sure he means it, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 10:24 PM

AsperGirl, how long have you been working for the Washington Post? You've been at the computer for 5 hours now!! I took a break, read a novel, came back and you're STILL here...LOL... This is DEEPLY serious stuff you're posting ain't it girl? Go take a shower or somethin'

We all know that the Washington Post is an
Republican-oriented paper, but if, as the Post claims, "User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site,"
The Washington Post is too biased to be considered a reliable source of news or opinion.

Posted by: | June 7, 2008 10:10 PM

Well I'm a Republican that favors neither Clinton nor Obama but I have to agree that this AsperGirl is clearly a deranged idiot who pretends to be an expert on things she knows literally nothing about. I work on Wall Street and we cheered when Clinton was forced to suspend her campaign.

No one this stupid should be allowed to post on issues that he/she/it knows nothing about. If you open your mouth about economics again, AsperGirl, you are asking to be called an idiot. I have never seen anyone display their ignorance so proudly. Never.

It is you that knows nothing about investing. Everyone here saying the markets dropped on Friday because of a sharp rise in oil prices and unemployment is absolutely right. Get a clue before you open your ignorant mouth again--particularly about economics.

Posted by: fromtheoppositeside,Iagree | June 7, 2008 10:23 PM

Bow many of you guys are sitting at desks at the Washington Post office right now?

Where's AsperGirl? Did she take that coffee break?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 10:22 PM

Hillary is doing the right thing. Don't give that weasel Karl Rover and his rightwing-extremist cronies at FOX News and Texas Swiftboaters for Lies, any fuel for the fire. They're too indolent and nefarious to earn a victory to the White House. So they'll try to troll and cheat their way to "victory" again. Little by little, George W. Bush, through his unsound fiscal policies, has eliminated the Middle Class. Unless you're a billionaire Republican, fundamentalist wingnut, or Red State redneck, that's a bad thing. Change for the sake of change isn't a good thing. But the U.S. economy is on the brink of a recession. Is four more years of Bush Jr.'s failed policies, good for the country?

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | June 7, 2008 10:19 PM

AsperGirl probably works for the Washington Post. Don't u ever take a coffee break, girl? You've been sitting at that desk for hours! LOL...

Quote: We all know that the Washington Post is an Republican-oriented paper, but if, as the Post claims, "User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site,"
The Washington Post is too biased to be considered a reliable source of news or opinion.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 10:07 PM

"What started the price of oil spiking to historic levels on two dramatic days starting on the day Clinton announced she was conceding the race? What was the fear and sense of doom spread across the collective mind of the markets?"

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 7:13 PM

You are confusing the price of oil with the markets, dumbass. The price of oil stocks is very different than the price of oil, itself. What went up was the price of oil itself.

WHAT DROPPED WAS THE MARKET AVERAGE--PEOPLE BAILING OUT OF STOCKS BECAUSE OF RISING OIL PRICES which will drive inflation and negatively impact corporate profits across the board.

YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY RETARDED.

ASPERGIRL IS A RETARD THAT CALLS PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS 'DAYTRADERS'

ASPERGIRL IS A RETARD THAT THINKS RISING OIL PRICES WERE CAUSED BY 'MARKET DOOM AND GLOOM' OVER OBAMA'S 'SURPRISE' VICTORY

ASPERGIRL HAS NO IDEA THAT RISING OIL PRICES ARE UNRELATED TO THE 'collective mind of the markets'

ASPERGIRL HAS NO IDEA THAT OIL PRICES AND OIL STOCK PRICES ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

ASPERGIRL IS RETARDED

ASPERGIRL IS RETARDED

ASPERGIRL IS RETARDED

ASPERGIRL IS RETARDED

ASPERGIRL IS RETARDED

ASPERGIRL IS RETARDED

ASPERGIRL IS RETARDED

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 9:51 PM

"Heavy is the head that wears the crown" and in this case endangered is the head that wears the crown. Obama has his own Damocles (and we're talking Hillary here, not Rev.Wright). The sword of Damocles is SUSPENDED by a thread over his head and he dare not rest easy any time before the convention and probably not after either. She never gives up or in or out. She has the tentacles of an octopus. Heaven help him.

Posted by: RD | June 7, 2008 9:43 PM

Nice name calling, AsperGirl. So if you're for Obama you're a troll? So what does that make you if you're for Clinton? Hello, Fiona.

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 7, 2008 9:42 PM

We will see if the Clinton supporters are Democrats or not. I believe a large majority of them are. If they believe in what's best for the country they will realise a Democrat in the White House is long overdue. We must become sucessfull with health care, the economy, and the handleing of our Military.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 9:41 PM

>> whatmovesmarkets wrote: "Higher than expected spikes in both unemployment and oil prices drove shares down Friday."

Why do you think oil prices rose?

You have such a microscopic window, like a day trader.

>>"If anything, Clinton is seen as more liberal (i.e. feared) on Wall Street because her more radical health care plan would largely socialize medicine. Obama's plan is much more moderate."

OK. You don't know anything. The Clintons are seen as business friendly Democrats and as centrists. And a lot of businesses have signed onto the notion of doing something about health care because the costs are uncontained and have been falling on business. Part of the great thing about Clinton's plan is that she already had the coalition and stakeholders outlined.

You're just talking speculation and not knowing the facts on the ground about their rep in the business community or the business community's interest in her health care plan.

"In any event, as I said before, the market prices in events that are assumed to be foregone conclusions."

You're just looking at triggers, not underlying issues. Any time something moves the markets, there is a trigger. But that trigger is different than longer-term trends and other movers.

Not going to discuss this with you anymore. You're all talking like day traders.

This is getting too painful. There are only stupid people and mentally ill ranters online now.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 9:40 PM

Okay, just to engage some intelligent conversation and put aside trite, obvious Repub posts like Grace's (and this is the first time I make that charge really meaning it) - does anyone have constructive suggestions on how we can help make sure McCain does not get into the White House?

Seriously, it's time to put the garbage behind us and pull together for Obama. Anyone who's says they're for McCain is either a plant or has the IQ of one (the photosynthesizing kind, that is).

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 7, 2008 9:37 PM

she's still a fool.

Posted by: ron aka crimefighter1 | June 7, 2008 9:33 PM

Obama will have no trouble beating John McCain in November. Obama is already beating McCain in most polls of most of the critical states and should get a nice boost now that Hillary is out. The GOP is toast in Nov -- it is a shame many of the bitter turncoat Hillary supporters wont be able to join us in the victory celebrations.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 9:33 PM

"She'll be well used at the Repuke convention by fat drooling white guys.
???????????????????????

tom3

Perfect example of a black man feelin inferior to women, so u trash poor aspergirl. u sound like a jealous moron

Posted by: Truthhurts | June 7, 2008 9:32 PM

Okay, this place is Obama troll heaven. This is the world according to Obama supporters.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 9:32 PM

Was sweet little Cindy Lou actually a drug addict and got caught stealing drugs?

Posted by: HonestAbe | June 7, 2008 9:27 PM

"I'm wrong about Aspirin Girl.
"She's not a sockpuppet.
"She's a f*ckpuppet.
"She'll be well used at the Repuke convention by fat drooling white guys.
"Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 9:15 PM

************

I reported your comments as threatening and obscene.

As for your speculation, it is true that rich white guys get women while ugly, poor virgins like you can only sit there and hate the women you can't have.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 9:27 PM

WoW! What an eye opener?

According to AsperGirl:
The market tanked because Obama was elected as the Democrat Presidential nominee. I wonder why this wan't mentioned by the market experts. Yeah Right. It was a conspiracy. It is not only a Democrat conspiracy. It is not only a US conspiracy. It is a worldwide conspiracy. It is a global market consipracy. It is bigger than the oil monopoly. It is bigger than the housing market bust.

Wow!

AsperGirl finally revealed herself to be Islam-phobic. Any and also Muslin are to be suspected, feared, and hated.

WoW1

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 9:26 PM

Tom3, We're on to you, trolls. Your paid partisan smear jobs won't work in here. This may be the WaPo, but you're no WaPo Gestapo. You're just Nazi-underpants wannabes.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Only a republican sleezebag would use nazi as part of their argument. u r really an idiot.

Posted by: Truthhurts | June 7, 2008 9:25 PM

My friends, I am deeply sorry I called my wife a god damn f*cking sl*t b!tch @ashole c*nt. I shouldn't have used the lord's name in vain like that.

Posted by: McCain_08 | June 7, 2008 9:25 PM

I just love AspirinGirl when she talks tough like that.

Her Adam's Apple bounces up and down just like Mann Coulter's.

Go back to your trailer and make some more meth. Repuke.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 9:23 PM

Thank god not a goat-roper humper.

THAT would hurt.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 9:22 PM

Tom: What exactly are the details of the McCain calling Cindy a c*nt story?

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 9:22 PM

Tom3 wrote, wrote Anybody who says they are a feminist but they're voting for McLame is a LIAR.

No real feminist would vote for McLame. He wants to get rid of Roe V. Wade.
++++++++++++++++++++

Your talking points is old style establishment fear politics. They have no place in today's process. People understand that Roe V Wade is safe and your fear mongering is pathetic at best. Climb back under your rock moron.

Posted by: Truthhurts | June 7, 2008 9:20 PM

I always thought McLame was a goat-roper (a mild insult round these parts) but a goat HUMPER?

Now that's just nasty. I don't want to know about it.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 9:20 PM

"Yes, and not in a good way either."

That's a shame.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 9:20 PM

And as far as your threats to come find out where I live, I'm truly afraid of sunken-chest, pimply faced, internet geeks who type manic vitriol in Birkenstocks. I can't think of anyone easier to beat up. Your slurs that define evil in your imagination ("Nazi-underpants wannabes") are really scary, you socialist grad student. You probably can't beat up any girl, given that you're too emaciated from living off grass shoots and whole wheat grains so as to not eat meat like a fascist.

******

AspenGirl, IowaTreasures, svreader, and JakeD are all THE SAME PERSON.
They are the same person. Trust me.
Posted by: Dems in 2008

Thanks for the heads up. That kind of troll is called a "sockpuppet" and there are ways on the series of the tubes called the Internets to find out that they're all the same person...and where they live.

We're on to you, trolls. Your paid partisan smear jobs won't work in here. This may be the WaPo, but you're no WaPo Gestapo. You're just Nazi-underpants wannabes.
Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 9:06 PM

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 9:19 PM

Did McCain actually call his wife a c*nt?
Posted by: Abe

Yes, and not in a good way either.

I think McLame also called a fellow Senator the C-word too...and boy, was he ticked off at McLame!!

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 9:17 PM

LeftPundits claim they have a tape of McCain dorking a goat. May surface any moment. Should be fun!

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 9:15 PM

How long before one or both of the Clintons file for divorce?

Posted by: Ron | June 7, 2008 9:15 PM

I'm wrong about Aspirin Girl.

She's not a sockpuppet.

She's a f*ckpuppet.

She'll be well used at the Repuke convention by fat drooling white guys.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 9:15 PM

response to: (Tom3 | June 7, 2008 9:12 PM)

Agreed. Rightwing-extremist Republicans can't win the old fashioned way: earning it.

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | June 7, 2008 9:15 PM

"I will vote for a pig before I will ever vote for a Republican again."

Well ... Hillary IS out of the running.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 9:15 PM

LOL!!! "Michelle looks like Sasquatch in a bad wig."

Posted by: PeaPod | June 7, 2008 9:14 PM

I congratulate Obama for being selected and his supporters and look forward to a spirited campaign on the issues. Some facts going into the general. Obama lost 9 of the last 15 primaries. He lost the popular vote, and the majority of elected pledged delegates in those primaries. So, he limps into the general having lost support of key Democratic voters. Keep in mind that a number of voters that crossed over to vote Obama, did so to make Hillary a loser. The majority of republican states Obama won are republican states he will not win in a general. There are no caucus states in a general. He did not win any of the major swing states. Come November, we will either have a second Carter term or a bush third term. If, our nation could barely survive Carter, maybe we will survive Obama if he is ordained.

Finally, it was not what Hillary said and did that should worry Obama supporters. If she was really behind Obama, she would have released her delegates. She only suspended her campaign in hopes something will force Obama to drop out. She did not attack McCain or sing praises of Obama beyond her endorsement of Obama.

Posted by: tdl62 | June 7, 2008 9:14 PM

Did McCain actually call his wife a c*nt?

Posted by: Abe | June 7, 2008 9:13 PM

"Right Pundits is reporting that there is reportedly a tape of Michelle Obama throwing around the racial term "whitey" that is likely to surface in the next few days."

That should be fun.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 9:13 PM

What went wrong?
Simple, male press -simple. MSNBC-Matthews "Will she learn to obey and subserve?" Oberman " Whats wrong with that woman?" Tucker Carlson " Everytime I see her I cross my legs." Conan O'Brian "There goes the witch on her broom." Ted Kennedy in 1980, had 700 short and Jackson in 1988 had 1,700 short both went to convention: Hillary in 2008 -120 short "GO AWAY-NOW! Dean, Pelosi, Durbin and Reid are weak and I will never vote for them or obama. Nader all the way. I am out of the lies of Dem Party. They claim good but refused to help Gays, either. Leaving it to courts and never once did they indite bush/ cheney and gave him a war and everything he rammed thru. Being from Il. I will only vote Rahm Emmanuel the rest Green or IndependentParty from now on. Emil Jones' Obama's mentor and Gov. Blago are steps away from being indicted with long time frinds Rezko. PBS is a lie as well- not one red cent again to that anti-feamle network again!
NUFF SAID!

Posted by: Rob | June 7, 2008 9:13 PM

I don't care if Obama or his wife called someone whitey. If you ask me, Michelle looks like Sasquatch in a bad wig.

Posted by: Jalal | June 7, 2008 9:13 PM

response to: (Pionono1 | June 7, 2008 9:00 PM)

Agreed. They say that time heals all wounds. There are bigots and diehard Hillary fans who wouldn't vote for Obama in a million years. But voting for McCain because your candidate lost, is reactionary, and I would argue--somewhat juvenile. In all objectivity, does anyoen think that someone like McCain will do more for women's rights, than Obama would? Though Republicans like to ignore history, their record shows that they favor the status quo in America. Is you want four more years of Bushesque politics, vote for McCain. If you want real change, vote for Obama. No offense to McCain, but he can't remember where he's speaking at sometimes. That's not the kind of leadership 99% of the country wants. Then again, some rightwing-extremist Repubs would still vote for Reagan, if he were on the ballot. The electorate is getting younger and better educated. McCain has done a lot for America, but he's like the Bob Dole of '96: well past his prime.

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | June 7, 2008 9:13 PM

After nearly 8 years of the worst presidentital administration in U.S. history -- and the complete and utter disaster this country is as a result -- I will vote for a pig before I will ever vote for a Republican again.

Posted by: Checkered.1 | June 7, 2008 9:12 PM

With the Democratic race over, we are now headed for the main event in November.

And the trolls are already BRUTAL in here.

Welcome to the McLame campaign. Karl's Boys are working for McLame and dreaming up new ways to smear and spin.

And you're already seeing it in here.

I can't WAIT until 1-21-09. At least that moronic butthole Chimpy and his psychotic pit bull Cheney will be GONE.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 9:12 PM

I'm not a "sockpuppet" and I'm not a troll. And I'm reporting your comment below as a threat.

******

AspenGirl, IowaTreasures, svreader, and JakeD are all THE SAME PERSON.
They are the same person. Trust me.
Posted by: Dems in 2008

Thanks for the heads up. That kind of troll is called a "sockpuppet" and there are ways on the series of the tubes called the Internets to find out that they're all the same person...and where they live.

We're on to you, trolls. Your paid partisan smear jobs won't work in here. This may be the WaPo, but you're no WaPo Gestapo. You're just Nazi-underpants wannabes.
Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 9:06 PM

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 9:12 PM

Mr Magoo McCain is a terrible candidate. Even many Republicans can't stand him. It is likely to be a landslide for Democrats in Nov.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 9:11 PM

Did Michelle Obama actually call someone "whitey"?

Posted by: Darrel | June 7, 2008 9:10 PM

"We're on to you, trolls. "

And this matters how?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 9:10 PM

Barack Obama is no fool. Whether or not you think it's true, Obama and Clinton's meeting was about her future in this campaign. Offering her VP privately and right now limits her ability to sit back and hedge, hoping for a McCain win in November and a chance to run again in '12. If she accepted it, which I doubt she would do so quickly, they'll wait to announce, and they'll still go through a token vetting process. More likely is that she'll wait a bit, then accept.

Posted by: JamesCH | June 7, 2008 9:09 PM

God D*** America!
Posted by: Rev. Wright

Hitler was sent BY GOD to hunt the Jews.
Katrina is God's punishment of Americans.
Posted by: Rev. Hagee

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 9:09 PM

Link to LA Times investigative story about Obama's Muslim childhood that he has lied about in campaign materials:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/bal-te.obama16mar16,1,7181735,full.story

Link to scan of Trinity Church newsletter where Rev. Wright reprints a letter of solidarity about Hamas:

http://www.bizzyblog.com/wp-images/TUCChamasColumn072207.jpg

Rev. Wright posts Hamas terrorist manifesto on Trinity Church website & compares the charter calling for murder of Jews to the American Declaration of Independence

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59456

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 9:09 PM

Vote for McCain if you want the following:

-- 100 years in Iraq
-- Bomb, bomb Iran
-- tax breaks for the wealthy
-- Overturn Roe v wade

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 9:08 PM

AspenGirl, IowaTreasures, svreader, and JakeD are all THE SAME PERSON.
They are the same person. Trust me.
Posted by: Dems in 2008

Thanks for the heads up. That kind of troll is called a "sockpuppet" and there are ways on the series of the tubes called the Internets to find out that they're all the same person...and where they live.

We're on to you, trolls. Your paid partisan smear jobs won't work in here. This may be the WaPo, but you're no WaPo Gestapo. You're just Nazi-underpants wannabes.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 9:06 PM

God D*** America!

Posted by: Rev. Wright | June 7, 2008 9:05 PM

This most certainly is not Senator Clinton's "Last Hurrah". Rather, she is just beginning a new phase. She is one of the greatest leaders and fighters this country has. I have so many friends that vote Bush and love Nute, yet could not survive without social security and medicare, ie. they just don't get it. I call it the Marlboro cowboy mentality. Clinton is like the Kennedy's: devoted their lives to doing something for the have-nots and powerless, whereas Bush and McSame and the clown Cheney devote their lives to doing for the haves and powerful.

Posted by: dsmith13 | June 7, 2008 9:05 PM

I beleive Obama's wife will lose him votes. She is a race baiter and has no qualms in throwing around terms like "whitey".

Posted by: Dianne | June 7, 2008 9:04 PM

"AsperGirl, ...You're worried Obama's being shady about his possible Muslim past. Let me put it this way - can you prove you're not being shady about trying to sow doubt, dissension and fear among a group of people who need to move forward together to overcome the Republicans? Even the way you phrase things - that you're "worried about the fact that [Obama] was a Muslim". A "fact"? Do you have proof? A photo of him kneeling toward Mecca? Don't give me the madrasseh bit, either. Did you choose where you went to grade school? Me and Barack, neither"

Yeah, I'm worried about the character of a politician who wants to be President who tries to cover up what religion he had as child. I suppose the level of proof is the same as the proof required for most voters. The LA Times article cited was written by an investigative reporter who ran it past the Obama campaign, which came back to him with the statement that Obama was never a "practicing" Muslim, which is a lot different than their earlier statement that he was never a Muslim.

The fact that he was registered as a Muslim in that Catholic school in Indonesia hasn't been disputed by his Campaign or the candidate. It's just ignored by the press, who are apparently hoping no one notices, just like the press ignored the Rev. Wright material for so long.

When an investigative reporter publishes a factually dense article to a national media outlet and gets comments from the subject of the article in advance of the publication and the subject of the article doesn't dispute its facts once published, that is generally good enough for most voters. That's enough for me to be concerned.

Again, it's not that he was born and raised Muslim. He apparently wasn't a practicing Muslim in Hawaii after he returned from Indonesia. And he was a child in Indonesia. But what is troubling in a man who wants to be President is a man who denies his race, heritage or religion to be more popular or accepted as something other than what he is really.

And that pro-Islamist, pro-Hamas Trinity Church, with its anti-Jew postings, anti-Israeli rants and anti-America conspiracy theories is truly disturbing. That's a very alien version of "Christianity" to most Americans, I think.

Here's a link to the LA Times story:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/bal-te.obama16mar16,1,7181735,full.story

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 9:03 PM

Deborah -

You forgot to mention -

if you vote for NObama, you will agree with all the prostitute media, Nobama groupie gutter rats, and of course, the racist and sexist pigs that populate the NObama campaign in all the sexist trash they used against Sen Clinton, and you endorse the way in which the NObama campaign stole the nomination, such as TX 2-steps.

Posted by: intcamd | June 7, 2008 9:03 PM

I think one of Hillary biggest mistakes was trying to make this too much about a woman's right to be President. It cheapened and clouded her core message.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 9:03 PM

Time to take on John McKKKain and end the Rethuglican Party once and for all.

Posted by: Dan | June 7, 2008 9:02 PM

There is very little distinction between Clinton and Obama in terms of their politics. They were campaigning on the basis of their personalities, and people chose, and the nation was divided pretty neatly. If you choose McCain, you're choosing policies in direct conflict with Clinton's, and if you don't vote, you are endangering the ideals that Clinton stands for.

If you don't vote, you're an idiot, period. Your voice is unimportant to national politics, and thus no politician will care what you have to say.

Posted by: Deborah | June 7, 2008 9:00 PM

Wow...I've been out all evening and came home to read this article on how Hillary's speech went. I knew she would back Obama because I believe she honestly gives a crap about this country. It is very exciting to know that these two dedicated people will be working together to put someone we can be proud of into our White House. Then... the comments... so disappointing. If only all of this hateful energy were turned around into finding solutions for our problems instead trying to blame either Hillary or Obama for the woes of the world... If you would not walk up to your chosen candidate and utter the words you post here, please do us all a favor and keep them to yourselves. BTW, I am a Hillar supporter, but as she steps down I have no problem looking to another perfectly capable candidate who I believe will work his hardest to bring the change he talks about.

Posted by: Pionono1 | June 7, 2008 9:00 PM

AspenGirl, IowaTreasures, svreader, and JakeD are all THE SAME PERSON.

They are the same person. Trust me.

Posted by: Dems in 2008 | June 7, 2008 9:00 PM

Any one who says they are a Clinton supporter who will vote for McCain was never really a Clinton supporter. Just a lying sack of dung.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh is a dicksucking maggot | June 7, 2008 9:00 PM

Hillary lost because she mismanaged her campaign, discounted the caucuses, p*ssed off the black vote, hired idiots to run her campaign, wasted tens of millions of her donors money, ran up debt without thought of how to pay it back, focused on the past when the voters wanted the future -- and the lying and pandering didn't help either.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 8:59 PM

Pay no attention to me.

I am a loyal foot soldier of the Republican Party. I claim to have supported Hillary...this is a lie.

I am nothing but a race baiting, Muslim baiting crackhead who has no life and no friends.

I am AspenGirl....and I am here to turn any discussion into a stream of projectile vomit...

Posted by: AspenGirl | June 7, 2008 8:58 PM

Ignore that Aspirin Girl. She gives us all a headache.

She's a Repuke troll who hangs out in here a lot. Probably a paid political operative, they have been know to do that.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 8:58 PM

Republicans running SCARED!

Posted by: Onefreeman | June 7, 2008 8:58 PM

Pay no attention to me.

I am a loyal foot soldier of the Republican Party. I claim to have supported Hillary...this is a lie.

I am nothing but a race baiting, Muslim baiting crackhead who has no life and no friends.

I am AspenGirl....and I am here to turn any discussion into a stream of projectile vomit.

Posted by: AspenGirl | June 7, 2008 8:58 PM

Pay no attention to me.

I am a loyal foot soldier of the Republican Party. I claim to have supported Hillary...this is a lie.

I am nothing but a race baiting, Muslim baiting crackhead who has no life and no friends.

I am AspenGirl....and I am here to turn any discussion into a stream of projectile vomit.

Posted by: AspenGirl | June 7, 2008 8:57 PM

Obama can't win without Hillary's voters. Obama can't have Hillary's voters. Therefore, Obama can't win. Simple as that.

Posted by: John | June 7, 2008 8:56 PM

Whoever this Nadeem guy really is... and I bet he's a paid political operative of the Repuke party, with two kids and a mortgage and a big beer gut...he is earning his pay today. Really nice smear stuff, would put the Swiftboaters to shame. And they were pros, a real bunch of scumbags. One of them went on to embezzle the Repuke campaign fund!!

That's where I see Naseem in a few years...embezzling whats left of the Repuke till and getting caught on his way to Barbados.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 8:56 PM

Sen. John McCain had another "senior moment" while speaking at a campaign rally in Nashville last week. "If we do everything right -- and we can and we will -- I will win in January," he said, "and I will be the next President of the United States."

That's great! All the dumb Repubs should vote in January!! Hehe.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 8:54 PM

I've been for Obama for a long time but Hillary could have done so much better without the evil influence of Bill. Best wishes to you, Hillary!

Posted by: ericmiami | June 7, 2008 8:54 PM

TOP 10 LIES by BARRY HUSSEIN

1.) Selma Got Me Born -
LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 -
Selma had no effect on your birth. Selma was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder -
LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went
on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter -
LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and
violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom -
LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created
mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate
election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first
widespread violence in decades.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian
LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am
according to her own interviews. According to the
New York Times: "I am a strong believer of the
Islamic faith," Ms. Obama, 85, said in a recent
interview in Kenya.' Not to mention, Christianity
wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1
man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili -
LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka'
(from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that
language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

7..) I Never Practiced Islam -
LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were
registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,
until your wife made you change, so you could run fo! r
office.

8. ) My School In Indonesia Was Christian -
LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in
trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check
your own book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian -
LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More
Foreign Experience -
LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and
couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn,..
how to study the Koran and watch cartoons?

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | June 7, 2008 8:53 PM

'the Dilbert so-called Weasel Math"

infamously used by Karl Rove in 2006.

Right before he caught a plane to MSP to have a toe-tapping good time with Larry Craig.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 8:53 PM

Hillary Clinton was my choice for president and she just proved she is is a much bigger person then I. After the campaign that Obama ran I just cannot support him. I cannot support McCain either so I guess I will sit this one out so I do not have to take the blame when one of the two worst candidates I have ever seen run for president is elected. Bye Democratic Party, I just cannot change my convictions like I change my socks!

Posted by: Dave | June 7, 2008 8:52 PM

Jimbo,

Intrade has NObama at 62, unfortunately.


However, as you will see on the Intrade chart, it is a moving number. A year ago, NObama was under 20, and yet as we all know, he managed to steal the nomination. So, a 62 today by no means guarantees his election. Intrade can no more predict NObama win, than it can predict the price of oil 6 months from now. All it means is that today's sentiment is that NObama will win.


Posted by: intcamd | June 7, 2008 8:51 PM

Mrs.Clinton is the most honest female politician I have ever heard of. I regret to be unable to say that about my native Argentina's current President, Cristina Kirchner, whose husband had no better successor in mind than his own wife, regardless of other more capable people for the post. I did not vote her. Yet, I shall have to bear her at Casa Rosada till the end of 2011... if she does not run for a second term. I hate coups d'état (my country beared six in the XXth.century). Yet, I would not dislike Mrs.Kirchner to bow out. It does not seem unlikely at all.

Posted by: Ernesto Sebastián Vázquez | June 7, 2008 8:51 PM

Is America ready for four years of Afro-Leninisim?

Posted by: Chapelle | June 7, 2008 8:50 PM

Russert: "So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?"

Obama: "I will not."

========

That was before the massive grassroots groundswell that convinced him to run.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 8:49 PM

Senator Clinton didn't win the popular vote if you count all of the states. The Michigan and Florida fiasco is only the beginning. Senator Clinton seems to think that because she was out-organized in the caucus states, they don't count. If you don't count the caucus states, many of which are in the West she won the popular vote. The claim that she won the popular vote at best is a variation of the Dilbert so-called Weasel Math. At worst, or more realistically it is an outright lie.

Posted by: Unknown | June 7, 2008 8:49 PM

Sorta like Hitler pulling for Stalin.

Posted by: muskrat | June 7, 2008 8:48 PM

During his 12 years in politics, Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman, Tony Rezko and his associates, than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.

Seven months ago, Obama told the Sun-Times his "best estimate" was that Rezko raised "between $50,000 and $60,000" during Obama's political career.

However, Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Additionally, Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.

Posted by: PeaPod | June 7, 2008 8:48 PM

Grace,

Could you please cite your sources for your Obama "facts"?
Especially the source supporting the claim that Obama's grandparents are rich.

-thanks

Posted by: jlm062002 | June 7, 2008 8:48 PM

Donna Brazile: "We are seeing the Democratic party reborn."

=======

Cheers to that!

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 8:47 PM

I think this primary season has exposed one glaringly clear fact: We need more than just two political parties in the United States participating in elections! The Democratic Party really should split into at least two separate parties, and the Republicans, too. The Greens, Independents, Socialists, Libertarians, etc., should all have an equal chance to put forth their candidates and have them be taken seriously. We need to get money out of politics, period. And that includes prohibiting potential presidential candidates (can we say Barry Obama, anyone?) from giving bribes to the tune of $700,000 to delegates and superdelegates, effectively buying the election.

Posted by: tellthetruthnow | June 7, 2008 8:47 PM

On the January 22, 2006 edition of "Meet the Press," Tim Russert and Obama had the following exchange:

Russert: "When we talked back in November of '04 after your election, I said, 'There's been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?'"

Obama: "I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed."

Russert: "So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?"

Obama: "I will not."

Posted by: PeaPod | June 7, 2008 8:46 PM

BRAVO Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, BRAVO! I was so moved by your speech today, you were finally free to say things that you have wanted to say since the beginning of this race; thoughts about women and the still existing glass ceilings in this world - and there are many on this earth. The thousands who applauded you and listened to you today will forever remember this occasion. As I sat and watched the sea of people cheering you on, more than ever before, I thought the DNC and the super delegates have made a big mistake in manipulating this election for a lesser candidate.

I am afraid I cannot follow your lead, Sen. Clinton, and support Sen. Obama. The damage has been too thorough, too deep - the ugly, disgusting remarks and references by so many Obama supporters; the unashamed bias of the media and the DNC; the continual calls for you to step down from elected officials, past and present; and the accusations of racism and insensitivity against you and Pres. Clinton (of all people). These actions will prevent me from voting for a man whose greatest talent is his performance - a candidate manufactured by the media starting in Jan. where MLK's legacy could be exploited to the fullest, and then into Feb. (if Obama was female we would not even be having this discussion). The timing could not have been better planned. Obama did not come out of no where, he has been groomed by the Congressional boy's club since he addressed the 2004 Dem. convention, and he came with a boatload of money. So again, my apologies, Sen. Clinton, for not heeding your "forced" endorsement of Sen. Obama. This is one voter who will not allow your run for the presidency to go in vain.

Posted by: mulder | June 7, 2008 8:45 PM

Tom3

You are a clown.

You probably don't even know your &&&, never mind whether posters here are "real Clinton supporters, or not"

The fact of the matter is, our support was for Clinton. It is not transferable, and certainly not for every trash can that she endorses.

Posted by: intcamd | June 7, 2008 8:44 PM

I wonder what Obama do for people like little Shaniqua and Tyrell in SE who have babies, steal, sell drugs, and not finish school. Will the "audacity of hope" be the remedy?

Posted by: Sandy | June 7, 2008 8:39 PM

For all those that are betting on McCain, some advice. The English bookies have Obama 60-40, put your money where your mouth is.

Posted by: Jimbo | June 7, 2008 8:39 PM

It was nice to see Hillary offer her support, but it was a bit like the Pittsburgh Penguins calling a press conference today to announce that they have lost the Stanley Cup final. Like if after they lost Game 6 and were eliminated they introduced themselves as the champions and didn't acknowledge that Detroit had won four games and was therefore the actual winner.
Hopefully this will help burst the fantasy bubble some of her supporters have been living in and help them understand, now that Hillary's leading supporters have managed to convince her, that this is about electing a Democrat and returning the United States to its traditional behavior after 8 years of incompetence, corruption and immorality.

Posted by: distin99 | June 7, 2008 8:39 PM

I'm apalled by the low quality of so many of the comments. We can all understand the frustration of those who backed Hillary Clinton, but that is not an excuse for the disgraceful, even histerical, attacks.
The most obvious disgrace is the number of letters claiming Obama is a Muslim. It is pure and simple hate-mongering.The claim has been one of the easiest claims to repeatedly prove wrong.

We all know that the Washington Post is an
Republican-oriented paper, but if, as the Post claims, "User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site,"
The Washington Post is too biased to be considered a reliable source of news or opinion.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 8:38 PM

There are actually a lot of things happening in the market right now. S&P just downgraded some financials from AAA, which was no surprise and months overdue. Presumably, any trusts and funds that aren't allowed to invest in non-AAA instruments already unloaded those financials months ago.

There are a lot of things happening at once. Not any one thing. Just a slowly building stew of unresolved problems that aren't going away and new ones just get added onto the camel's back

The political tensions are just more emotional. One thing the markets don't like is unpredictability in government. The market might have fallen if Obama announced Clinton would be VP. Who knows, once it gets this nervous?

I was just saying that the guy who said he knew why the market fell on Friday was being absurd.

I've been watching this "Obama indicator" for a while now and I'm convinced it exists. I first noticed it in late February. It seems to move more in response to unexpected news, too.

If there is a reason for the "Obama indicator", it could be just fear that having a Democratically-controlled Congress with a Democrat in the White House is scary to Wall Street. A government that can get a lot of things passed and signed into law is more frightening to Wall Street than a government that is paralyzed. Or a negligent one like Bush's.

I think that business likes Clinton better. I like her because she seems to be the only politician who has noted that you can't stop these financial upheavals until the housing crisis is solved and a bottom is placed in the market. Until a bottom exists in the market, the valuation of the structured investment vehicles can't be marked to market or estimated from models. Until the hemorrhage in home equity stops, households won't continue to lose wealth. Until there is some place safe to put wealth (like real estate), money will continue to pile into places that are safe havens -- hard and soft commodities, etc. In part, all the rampant speculation in commodities is caused by there being no place safe to put one's money. Everything that can hold money right now, from banks, to home equity, to cash (dollars) to stocks, are all subject to crashes and collapses. So long as there is no constructive safe haven, money will continue to pile into gold, agriculture and oil.

Clinton was the only one calling for a brief freeze on home foreclosures and immediate action on the housing crisis. If any of her proposals had been acted on instead of ignored, the markets would have settled down months ago. The Federal Reserve actions settled the stock market and the financial sector, but the fact that everyone had nowhere else to pile their money into, and piled them into commodities has destabilized the price of oil and food. Now that the price of oil and food are going into hyperinflation, all the work the Fed did in stabilizing the banks and financials is starting to unravel. Also, the federal reserve is running out of cash assets to continue the term auction facility and now the program has to be brought to an end while the economy has not yet stabilized due to these new commodity price spikes.

Had Clinton's freeze proposal been taken seriously, and other interventions, the housing market would have started to stabilize. Then the money piling into commodities would have eased. The commodity price spikes would have probably not occurred because safe haven money would be in real estate.

Now the housing crisis will be even harder to solve. With all the price spikes in commodities, the inflation picture has sharpened dramatically. The interest rates on mortgages has gone up dramatically and that will make it even harder to sell those houses, because of the effective higher price of homes when mortgage interest rates rise. We may be at a point now where the housing crisis will go out of control in a big way. The rising mortgage interest rates will be competing with the dropping prices to keep homes out of range of buyers at present market conditions.

It's looking more and more to me like the remote possibility of a hyperinflationary crash of the U.S. dollar is becoming a little less remote with each passing week.

What is hyperinflation? What does it look like when it starts to appear? Is there hyperinflation in one sector, like food, or gas or materials, or wages? Doesn't it start with a few things and spread to more, and then wages have to go up for people to get by? When does "inflation" become "hyperinflation"?

I'm shocked that no one is listening to Clinton's economic plans and energy action plans. She's so much smarter than anyone else out there. The Democratic party is fixated on its narcissistic racial politics and left-wing dreams while the fundamentals of the U.S. economy falls apart and the only politician smart enough to have a lot of plans in place to act on now is treated like a stupid woman and ignored.

I don't know why the stock market crashed a lot this week. But I know why I'm very, very worried.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 8:38 PM

I wonder when the press is going to finally pick up on Michelle Obama's liberal use of the term "whitey".
=====

This rumor is so dumb. The Hillary diehards have been duped by some slimey Reubs into thinking there was a video showing Michele ranting against white folks i.e. "whitey". They have been expecting and praying for it to surface for weeks. Some of the most pathetic and desperate now think Bob Dole (??) has it and will release it one week before the election date and it will "destroy" Obama. Really weird.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 8:38 PM

I wonder what Obama do for people like little Shaniqua and Tyrell in SE who have babies, steal, sell drugs, and not finish school. Will the "audacity of hope" be the remedy?

Posted by: Sandy | June 7, 2008 8:37 PM

"paranoid baloney" sounds like a good description for ol' Junkie Rush himself.

Clinton just told her supporters to vote for Obama. Clinton endorsed him.

So, anybody who calls themself a Clinton supporter in here and says they are not voting for Obama, or worse, says they are voting for Insane McLame, is a LIAR.

No real Clinton supporter woudl do that.

They would all follow Hillary's wishes and throw their support behind the Democratic nominee.

Thank you Hillary. Obama 2008

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 8:36 PM

Facts.
Obama's primary fund raiser Tony Rezko is going to jail. Rezko and Auchi bought Obama's home and property.
Obama funded his political career from the following individuals.
Nadmi Auchi an arms dealer and money launderer of Saddam UN oil for food program. Nachi is on probation and can't enter the US.
Alsammarae an Electricity Minister in Iraq who was imprisoned for stealing billions from the Iraqi ministry. Obama went to Iraq in June 2006. Alsammarae escped prison on Christmas day 2006. He lives with in Chicago with his family and they are major contributors to Obama.
William Ayers the domestic terrorist- Weather Underground.
Obama has 2 Muslim sisters. Obama's dad died when he was 2 his mother remarried a strict Muslim.
Obama spent his formative yearsuntil age 8 in Indonesia the largest Muslim country in the world.
He moved to Hawaii and attended the wealthiest prep school.
Obama lived with his wealthy grandparents. His grandmother was an executive of the largest Hawaiian bank.
Obama graduated from Columbia then Harvard where his dad went.

Obama went to live in Chicago as a slumlord. There he worked for Syrian born Tony Rezko.

Auchi, Ayers, Rezko and Alsammarrae were major fundraisers for Obama's various campaigns. State Legislature, State Senator and Democratic nominee.

OPINION:
Americans do not want Obama to be Commander in Chief. We do not want him to have National Security Clearance. We are not voting for him in November.

I am a proud Democrat. Obama is bought and paid for by oil pumping countries and he will go back to the Senate in November.

Posted by: Grace | June 7, 2008 8:36 PM

Americans are a great people. A great people must have great leaders. Great leaders must have great thoughts to guide their actions --- America still has the opportunity and responsibility to help build a much better world for ALL PEOPLES.

Posted by: Chi C. Huang | June 7, 2008 8:34 PM

"The fact is, most of us Clinton supporters who will not vote for Obama have a long history of supporting her and donating to her campaign."

I call bullcrap at 8:32 Eastern

No, butthole. The fact is that ANY Clinton supporter who will not vote for Obama is NOT a real Clinton supporter.

You're a lying sack of crap.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 8:32 PM

"Keep in mind right wing trolls are still on here posing as Democrats. It is in Rush's rule book for 'Operation Chaos"

That's the sort of paranoid baloney you read at the Huffington Post. The fact is, most of us Clinton supporters who will not vote for Obama have a long history of supporting her and donating to her campaign.

If you console yourself that anti-Obama posts are made only by stooges of the Republican Right, then you are living in a fool's paradise that will be shattered when Obama loses in November.

Posted by: prettierthanyou | June 7, 2008 8:30 PM

To Nadeem Zakaria: Your rhetoric on the supposed apostasy of Sen. Barack Obama is misinformed or a purposeful disturbance of the entrails (considering your nick sounds Islamic!).

For anyone wishing to read an informed read on the subject (rebuttal to the Luttwak op-ed in the NY Times which waslater renounced by the Times) go to:

http://www.juancole.com/2008/05/is-obama-apostate-or-bush-reply-to.html

Posted by: mendonsa | June 7, 2008 8:28 PM

actually, when I hear the name McCain I'm thinking a Quinn Martin Production from the '70's where an out-of-control detective goes on a rampage with a elephant gun pistol. But I guess he could be a motel operator that stuffs animals for fun.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 7, 2008 8:28 PM

white folks here is racist. thye have ruined this country. that is okay cause when obama wins black people are taking over. just like the inventer of the peanut said, george washington carver, the black will not be happy till he gets in the white house.

Posted by: Lakisha | June 7, 2008 8:26 PM

listen people we just dodged a bullet, I mean a SuperPower has never been so close to capitulation since the Gang of Four....

a reminder.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpMQeJmKK2w

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 7, 2008 8:25 PM

McCain looks like the night manager of some creepy motel.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 8:23 PM

The Hillary-heads will be preaching to their bathroom mirrors for weeks to come.

"We won the popular vote, we won the popular vote ... oommmmmm ... we won the popular vote ..."

The rest of the world knows it's over.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 8:23 PM

I'm sorry but Obama's wife looks like the lady on the front of a syrup bottle.

Posted by: Dianne | June 7, 2008 8:20 PM

Caucuses are a good measure of the enthusiasm, dedication and commitment of a candidate's supporters -- something that is needed for a successful general election campaign. Perhaps all states should adopt them.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 8:20 PM

I wonder when the press is going to finally pick up on Michelle Obama's liberal use of the term "whitey".

Posted by: Sandy | June 7, 2008 8:08 PM

As soon as you brain dead neocons cough up the evidence that proves she used the term in a derogatory fashion even once.

Until then, keep up the mudslinging. Hillary tried that and only got herself dirty.

Posted by: Kevin Schmidt | June 7, 2008 8:20 PM

It's Just Overkill:

little something light for Saturday, post big cry....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ45xrtNnzk

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 7, 2008 8:19 PM

That speech was all class. I commend Mrs. Clinton for it. I have been an Obama supporter, and was perturbed by her non-concession speech last Tuesday, but she fully redeemed herself today. I do understand how difficult it is for her to give up her dream, but the chips fell Obama's way this year, and she will no doubt have many ways to contribute to our country as a Senator, possibly a member of Obama's cabinet, or maybe even a Presidency in the future.

I continue to fail to understand the Clinton followers who say they'll vote for McCain. If it's simply anger and a desire to punish Obama and/or the DNC, it's so misguided it isn't funny. It totally dishonors Clinton and everything she stands for. We have to get over the racism and sexism stuff. There are too many issues that are way more important than that.

Obama's and Clinton's political platform are virtually identical, so there is no real reason to ditch Obama on that score. If you don't like Obama's economic outlook, then you really didn't like Clinton's either.

And on the character issue, which seems to be the hot-button for a lot of people, I think McCain has problems every bit as serious as those imputed to Obama. McCain sought the endorsement of those two radical (and racist) priests or pastors or whatever they were, and he took a long time repudiating them, so in my opinion that's a draw. He does have a lot of ties to lobbyists, including some who work for countries not friendly to us, no matter what he says. His temper is a real problem. He divorced his first wife, who stood by him all that time he was imprisoned, while she was in the hospital, and was overheard by reporters calling his current wife a word that rhymes with hunt but starts with 'c'. Is that an indication of good character?

I look forward to seeing Obama, with the help of Clinton and many others, campaign hard and retake the White House in November. A Republican win will set us back in so many ways, including *women's rights* which are so near and dear to many.

Posted by: Sally | June 7, 2008 8:19 PM

The total popular vote argument is really tiresome and dumb. It means nothing since it is based on controversial assumptions and missing states. Futhermore the nominee is selected by total delegates.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 8:16 PM

Senator Clinton did not win the popular vote

The only way she won the popular vote is if the the caucus states are not counted.

Posted by: A Dem. | June 7, 2008 8:16 PM

Obama won the popular vote.

Obama
18,107,710 48.1%

Clinton
18,046,007 47.9%

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 8:15 PM

Whoever said this is extremely insensitive or very young and naive:

"2. What makes caucuses disenfranchising? Many are held in polling places. Public buildings have to accommodate the disabled."

Some people have cancer or health issues that won't allow them to be out of their house (or bed) for 2-3 hours in a room full of people with god knows what diseases that they can not afford to be exposed to. That was the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard.

Posted by: ragindemo | June 7, 2008 8:15 PM

Real Clear Average 46.9(O) 44.4(M) Obama +2.5
Favorable Ratings +11.8(O) +6.5(M) Obama +5.3
RCP Electoral Count 272(O) 266(M) Obama +6
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Very close at the moment.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 8:12 PM

Clinton won the popular vote. Obama won the superdelegates votes.

Obama paid out millions of dollars to superdelegates. Can someone put on this blog the amount doled out?

Washington Post needs to write and article disclosing how much Obama spent on superdelegates. The last article I saw printed about the topic was in March in the NYTimes.

Obama is old politics. Pay superdelegates to endorse him even before the elections were finished. Promise favors an kickbacks.

Democrats do not like Obama.
Americans are afraid of Obama and his loyalists like Pelosi and Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger.
Women get a weird gut feeling about him like something is not right.

Our only salvation from Obama and this whole division of the Democratic party is to teach them a lesson in Democracy and vote for McCain.

Posted by: Grace | June 7, 2008 8:11 PM

As angry as the creepy little minority of the Clintons' losers are, they better donate more money to the Bush/McSame effort than they did to Bill and Hillary.

That way, they get to lose their money more than twice!

People who hate this country enough to vote for four more years of Bush/Cheney
just so they can show Obama supporters how mad they are deserve to keep on losing.

Posted by: sh | June 7, 2008 8:10 PM


Is anyone on here over twelve?


Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 8:10 PM

All the comments from Hillary people who won't support Obama are just proving that Hillary is not the powerhouse she claims to be. Only if her voters follow her and throw their support behind Obama can she prove she is the leader that she claims. If they won't follow her, then that claim in hollow and it weakens her. We shall see if her supporters are truly loyal. Otherwise they are disrespecting her as well as Obama.

Posted by: Adam | June 7, 2008 8:09 PM

Posted by: iamasofaking | June 7, 2008 7:56 PM
"Didn't she still "pimp" off her husband's accomplishments...which was what again? Oh yeah, former PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES."

Hey so faking,
She took a page out of gwb's book!!

Posted by: History buff | June 7, 2008 8:09 PM

I dont follow the market that closely but I hear the Friday oil spike and dump was mainly because of some dumbass Israeli minister who started saber rattling about Iran. Your Tues. thinking may have merit...but who cares about some repubs getting jittery on Wall St. They may have an inkling that their sense of rampant capitalism is about to come to a shuddering halt.

Posted by: Ohillary | June 7, 2008 8:01 PM

Markets move dramatically based on surprising news--not events that are virtually assured and have thus already been priced into the market. It was certainly no surprise to Wall Street that Obama won the nomination.

Posted by: whatmovesmarkets | June 7, 2008 8:09 PM

As a staunch Obama supporter and a democratic voter who supported Bill clinton throughout his term, I have got to say that I will give Mrs. Hillary R. Clinton her props today. She was gracious, respectful and she made it clear that it is imperative that we put a democrat in the White House. So I urge ALL Hillary and Barak supporters to BEWARE of the dirty, low down, scoundalous RePUbs. they will post on these comment Blogs posing as obama supporters which they have been doing all along. They will say things that will insult both supporters because they don't want the democrats to unite. The Republicans have always thought that the American People are stupid. They believe that we ar still dumb enough to vote for McCain because of some jilted b.s. over the primary race. We are ALL Democratic Family and we All have each other backs. When my children argue and fight with one another doesn't mean that they will EVEN allow an outsider to come in to our circle to destroy each other. So I don't care what differences that Obama and Hillary had. They are still within the family, we fight within the family but we NEVER allow the outsiders to come into our family and make us loose focus or what our fight is about. We MUST unite. Obama's success will ultimately determine Hillary's success...because you can best believe Obama also have 18 million voters and both candidates will always need the support of each candidate's constituents. If obama looses and McCain wins, then that will determine Hillarys political future because you can bet your last dollar that Obama supporters will do the very same if those supporters that goes against Obama causes the Democrats the election and we have to endure four more years of George Bush and McBush. We will vote the same way four years from then and Hillary will face the same demise. Therefore I urge you to unite and move forward...otherwise neither candidate will EVER make it to the White House because each candidate supporters and constiuents will pay Hillary the same fate. It's up to you guys...

Posted by: Unite! | June 7, 2008 8:09 PM

I wonder when the press is going to finally pick up on Michelle Obama's liberal use of the term "whitey".

Posted by: Sandy | June 7, 2008 8:08 PM


Obama eeeked a few more delegates.

By outspending 3-1

By being a White Boys Club Puppet

By David Axelrod Productions Marketing

By lying - deaf, dumb and blind for twenty years

By rock star impersonations of famous people he nowhere like


All that glitters is not

Presidential


God Bless America

Obama is a house of cards

DAY ONE - he steps in it... with Palestine and Israel

Here comes Karl Katrina Rove

Whooooosh


They will be begging Hillary to top the ticket by August


Watch Obama self destruct

He's an idiot

cheated, lied and eeeeked

won nothing

the Boys Club handed it to their hand puppet

must feel good

Marketing Miracle empty suit


Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 8:07 PM

I think Obama will select a white woman as his running mate, but I do not think it will be Hillary. Heck, if it were me, I'd select Arianna Huffington; she's one smart cookie!

Posted by: Daniel | June 7, 2008 8:06 PM

The "success" of the Bubba presidency is owed to Newt Gingrich.

Newt in '08!

Posted by: Chuckamok | June 7, 2008 8:06 PM

I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to all the Obama supporters whom I have so unfairly attacked these past months. I did not like the way the press had treated Senator Clinton, but that was no excuse to blame Obama supporters.

Please forgive my pigheaded and opinionated behavior and I am deeply sorry to anyone I may have offended.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 8:03 PM

AsperGirl, quit raising phantoms. If you have fears about Obama, do your own research, and if they're justified come back and tell us what you've found out. Otherwise you're just rumor-mongering and wringing your hands over nothing. I can respect someone with honest concerns. I can't respect someone who kvetches and spreads doubt with nothing to back it up.

You're worried Obama's being shady about his possible Muslim past. Let me put it this way - can you prove you're not being shady about trying to sow doubt, dissension and fear among a group of people who need to move forward together to overcome the Republicans? Even the way you phrase things - that you're "worried about the fact that [Obama] was a Muslim". A "fact"? Do you have proof? A photo of him kneeling toward Mecca? Don't give me the madrasseh bit, either. Did you choose where you went to grade school? Me and Barack, neither.

Proof. Do you understand the meaning of the word? You obviously understand the meaning of innuendo and division. We need to use this board to figure out how to beat McCain, not to post every untested rumor we come across on the internet.

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 7, 2008 8:02 PM

Hillary Clinton has been offered the Vice Presidency. I guarantee that Obama offered it to her in their meeting at Sen. Feinstein's house.

Posted by: JamesCH
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I seriously doubt that since Obama said himself this will be deliberate process that may take some time. Plus the Obama does not want Hillary as VP.

Posted by: Bob, DC | June 7, 2008 8:02 PM

To the AsperGirl theorizing that the market took a dump this week because of the Obama clinch.

I dont follow the market that closely but I hear the Friday oil spike and dump was mainly because of some dumbass Israeli minister who started saber rattling about Iran. Your Tues. thinking may have merit...but who cares about some repubs getting jittery on Wall St. They may have an inkling that their sense of rampant capitalism is about to come to a shuddering halt.

Posted by: Ohillary | June 7, 2008 8:01 PM


We love her.

But we will not vote for him.

He gave her the finger.

He lied about church, sat silent there and when Hillary was being bashed and raped in the media.

He is a Boys Club Puppet - just like GW - only Democrat.


We don't like him. We have standards.


Sorry Hillary.

God Bless You

God Bless America


Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 8:01 PM

Obama is just the next flavor of the month preferred by a crowd who has no disipline and is used to instant gratification.They live in a dream world.Obama will lose favor and fizzle out.

Posted by: Joe | June 7, 2008 8:01 PM

a moo moo is a moo moo, a burka has a hoodie. And running togs? Trust you are smart enough to run on an indoor track with conditioned air, because the hydrocarbon huffing has been known to cause abhorations of concept, whoal cloth.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 7, 2008 8:01 PM

"I guarantee that Obama offered it to her in their meeting at Sen. Feinstein's house."

Thanks for the laugh. ;)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 8:00 PM

Bill Clinton was a great President. The country was in great shape when he left.

Posted by: Steve Sanchez | June 7, 2008 7:59 PM

I am a Repblican who will vote for Obama and would have voted for Clinton had she been nominated. I am appalled at the Democrats who say they will not vote or will vote for McCain out of disappointment that Clinton will not get the nomination. What they hope to prove by allowing the policies of the Bush administration, which have harmed this country immeasurably, to continue, escapes me. It is unfortunate that these people only wanted to follow Clinton's lead if she was the president. It will be a shame and prove nothing to other Democrats (let alone Republicans) if the disappointed Clinton supporters do not get behind Obama and put an end to the disasterous policies of the past eight years.

Posted by: George in Seattle | June 7, 2008 7:59 PM

I could never vote for Barry Hussein because he has renounced his Muslim faith. I could never trust someone who did something like this for the sake of appealing to middle america and votes.

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | June 7, 2008 7:59 PM

Hillary Clinton has been offered the Vice Presidency. I guarantee that Obama offered it to her in their meeting at Sen. Feinstein's house.

Whether or not she accepted it is a different matter. If she didn't, you'll never hear about it in anything but rumor. If she did, it will be announced at the proper time in the news cycle for maximum effect. Right now, it has to appear as if the process is ongoing, and so it doesn't look as if he had to.

Posted by: JamesCH | June 7, 2008 7:58 PM

Didn't she still "pimp" off her husband's accomplishments...which was what again? Oh yeah, former PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

Posted by: iamasofaking | June 7, 2008 7:56 PM

I watched my 85 year old father cry today as we watched Hillary say her farewell. My parents fled a Latin American dictator to help build this nation 60 years ago. My father is a doctor and helped thousands of poor, sick, helpless and needy Americans only to live long enough not to see his vote fully counted in Florida.

Our choice is very clear. We are voting for McCain in 2008. We want to see Hillary Clinton back on the campaign trail 36 months from now.We will vote for her in 2012. We are 18 million strong cracks in the glass ceiling.

This week 10 million Democrats switched to Independent. Obama claims to have registered 5 million new voters in 15 months he just lost 10 million in a week by kicking Hillary of the ticket.

We are 18 million strong. We are the Rosa Parks of the Democratic party and we are not giving up our seat for this man called Barrack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Grace | June 7, 2008 7:55 PM

yea, I'm thinking the Log Cabin Lesbians are the big beneficiary in all this. Remind me to keep an eye peeled on how they parlay their new numbers within repugs.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 7, 2008 7:52 PM

Hey guys and gals, listen up! How about acting like ladies and gentlemen and show some maturity? Your endless arguements do not do anyone a bit of good. The race is OVER, or haven't you heard?? There is NO reason to keep up this craziness! Let it go, please. Every race has a winner and a loser, Senator Obama won the nomination on his own merits and by running a smart and cohesive campaign. Hilliary made a lot of mistakes that undermined her run. Bill did not help. That is what happened. Time to move on.

This is a FREE country for ALL, I repeat, ALL people; please try and remember this.

Posted by: NinaK | June 7, 2008 7:51 PM

That damned Obama campaign actually took the time to figger out the Dem party rules and put together a plan to win by those rules.

HOW DARE THEY! Weren't they TOLD that this was Hillary's turn ??? She didn't lie, steal and cheat for Bubba all those years, just to come up empty handed!

Somebody (else) MUST be to blame. Round up the usual suspects!

Posted by: Chuckamok | June 7, 2008 7:50 PM

"hey aspergrl... what are you really afraid of, muslimism?...you never know, you might look good wrapped in a burka, wink, wink, nudge, nudge."

I'm not afraid, just worried about Obama concealing the fact that he was Muslim before he converted to Trinity Church Christianity. What is with a man concealing the fact that he was born and raised in one religion? Isn't that the definition of lacking character? Denying your race, heritage or religion to be popular?

And VERY concerned that the Trinity Church's brand of Christianity is so pro-Islamist, posting Hamas material on its website, preaching about the how U.S. and Israelis were making weapons to kill Arabs and blacks, and making trips to the Middle East to meet with Islamists. (Remember, Islamists aren't the same as Muslims).

I'm thinking about getting a burqa. Would make my life easier. I could wear running clothes all day and not have to pack a suit.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 7:50 PM

VA_Lady2008 and Jersey Girl, your posts are spot on. And, Aspergirl, you continue to be a woman after my own heart (I have been accused in the past of being you under another screen name! haha). Those who assume we will "come around" in time for the November election assume a lot, don't they? It just shows how small their minds are when they believe that if you won't support Obama you automatically must be a Republican. No thought is ever given by that crowd to people being able to think for themselves and not follow a party line when it would be detrimental to the country.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:46 PM

Who cares if they did n't invent the TX rules system for Clinton specifically. It is a stupid system whether Clinton or NObama won.

You better hope that in NOV they will have a sustem, where voters in DC, San Fran, and Newark get to vote 10 times, and then they give those votes a far bigger weight than PA, FL, OH and so on. Because your man needs that kind of stupid rules system to win, much as in primaries.

As for caucus intimidation, it happened in multiple places, all over the country. Never mind that NObama supporters already had an advanatge, since Clinton supporters tended to be older (could n't go around freely and could n't vote in absentia), and working class (could n't take off evenings, and spend 5 useless hrs to cast a simple vote).

Posted by: intcamd | June 7, 2008 7:45 PM

hey aspergrl... what are you really afraid of, muslimism?...you never know, you might look good wrapped in a burka, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 7, 2008 7:44 PM

Those damn right wing trolls! It's insidious, I tells ya, scheming for mind control over Dem partisans in an anonymous chat room.

Insidious AND devious. Treacherous, too.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:43 PM

Ragindemo - you have 5 months to change your mind. I hope you will. Meanwhile, I'd like to answer a few points of yours (I'm a middle aged female Obama supporter)

1. The DNC chose proportional delegate representation. If you don't like it, join the winner take all faction of the DNC. You have 8 years to change it for 2016. But if there's a real stellar woman next to a so-so "establishment" candidate who's male, she's toast---winner take all benefits the establishment candidates.

2. What makes caucuses disenfranchising? Many are held in polling places. Public buildings have to accommodate the disabled.

3. You say a revote "without question" in FL and MI say in the next paragraph that "if they do not follow through on punishment, they will never learn." FL & MI broke established DNC rules. Half the delegates seems like a fair punishment.

It's a free country, but staying at home November 4 is just stupid. Better you should vote for McCain than stay home.

And I'm with you on the sexism, having seen too many organizations such such as Commuters United for New Trains. But there are more than a few (and I do not say you are one of these) who think the mere fact of a woman getting defeated by a better organized opponent is sexism.

My problem with Hillary is her, and her supporters touting her "experience." Without Bill, she's essentially a center-left Harriet Miers: she's done something, but that's by itself not enough for national office.

Posted by: moveonragindemo | June 7, 2008 7:42 PM

It looks like Hillary Clinton just finally
removed all doubts that Hillary and Bill
Clinton are the biggest liars,phony Sell Outs in Democratic Party history. And her
Sell Out to the DNC and Screwy Howard Dean
and "I took Impeachment Off The Table"
Nutso Nancy Pelosi Candidate phony Messiah
empty suit drug addict Barack Hussein Obama
will set any chance of ever electing a
woman President back at least 100 years.
And since I had planned,as an Independent
to vote for Hillary Clinton or John McCain
this fall,in order to show my contempt and
disgust with Pelosi,Dean and Harry Reid
and their phony pathetic Democrat Presidential Candidate liberal loser liar
Barack Hussein Obama,with Hillary Clinton's
Sell Out,that makes it easy for me to go
vote for veteran,experienced Republican
Senator John McCain instead of Sell Out
Hillary Clinton this election. Obama is a
joke,a fraud,and total phony so please vote
for the real thing John McCain instead as
we clearly need experience and leadership
not phony lofty pretty speechs in these
extremely dangerous times,just to survive.
I will never vote for Barack Hussein Obama
no matter who Obama names for Vice President and I hope will not vote for
Obama as well. Just say NO to Obama!

Posted by: Claudine1000 | June 7, 2008 7:42 PM

:>>Craig wrote: "[Donna Brazile] said, "A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don't have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base and not throw out the baby with the bathwater."

"See that, "we don't have to *just* rely on white blue-collar voters". Note the 'just'. She's saying that the appeal of the party is expanding beyond their traditional base. It would be like John McCain saying, "we don't have to just rely on white, elderly, upper class voters", although in his case he'd be wrong. :)"

Okay, I didn't record it or read a transcript. I just heard it because I was watching CNN that night. I didn't remember the exact words, just that I was surprised by them.

Thanks for the quote.

I'm glad that Clinton is out for one reason: I really got hooked into the politics drama. It's not healthy.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 7:41 PM

The amount of hatred expressed in these columns between Democratic party members is astounding.

Besides its counterproductivity, it threatens to portray the Democratic party as a new bastion of racial and sexist hatred.

If the Democratic party populace doesn't resolve their issues soon, it will get another opportunity in four years to do so.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:41 PM

What do they call the person who comes in second for the Democrat nomination?

Loser

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:41 PM

"Lost Tribe Of Hillary Holdouts"

Problem is - they show no signs of ever getting lost.

Posted by: Chuckamok | June 7, 2008 7:40 PM

Dems in 2008 you are right in your following posting. I have been sucked in myself. So I simply quote you below and lets focus on McCain.


"Keep in mind right wing trolls are still on here posing as Democrats. It is in Rush's rule book for 'Operation Chaos'.

So when you hear an Obama supporter bashing Clinton or the reverse, keep that in mind.

Also remmeber that polls show that 80-85% of Democrats already support their nominee against McSame, and a similar number would have voted for Clinton.

Posted by: Dems in 2008 | June 7, 2008 4:35 PM "

Posted by: Mighty Crows | June 7, 2008 7:39 PM

"Just paid $70 to fill my car. I know who I'm voting for. Even if he can't lower the gas prices, I'll feel better about it."

Obama didn't even favor the small tax relief that Clinton had proposed. But you're right when you suspect that the price of gasoline has nothing to do with who's in the White House. It has everything to do with a sharply increased international demand.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:38 PM

>>Craig wrote: "Obama is qualified (over 35, natural-born citizen, and over 14 years resident), and plenty knowledgeable. We can argue about experience once we have a definition of how much experience is sufficient. :)"

Since Bush's tenure, I have a standard: More experience and qualifications than Bush has. That's more or less the low bar for me, going forward.

>>"He never was a Muslim. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp"

The same article I posted quoted the Obama campaign's response to the questions before the article was published. According to Paul Watson, it changed its statement on Obama from "never been a Muslim" to "never been a practicing Muslim":

"To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago," Gibbs' Jan. 24 statement said. In a statement to The Los Angeles Times on Wednesday, the campaign offered slightly different wording, saying: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim." The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood's Islamic center."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/bal-te.obama16mar16,1,7181735,full.story

:>>"And Bill Clinton got something like 80% of the black vote. So what?"

In the general election, not the primary. 92 percent of the black vote in a primary is overwhelming in most states, close to being the major block of votes in the Democratic electorate, in some states.

That's a serious problem in the general election, that Democratic strategists are mentally blocking out with their hopeful arguments about "new voters" and demographically not needing downscale white and hispanic and old voters anymore.

One really, really big problem with the expectation that all those new voters will make the Dems independent of the white blue collar voters is that all of the new voters that registered weren't just for Obama. A lot of them registered to vote for Clinton or vote against Obama. So he is only getting a part of the massive new voter registration block that registered. In yet another way, the Dems are ignoring the massive voter base Clinton commanded.

If you plot the margins of Obama's wins from mid-February, the margins of his wins over Clinton shrink while the margins of her wins over Obama grow. In a slow but steady way, Obama has been losing popularity in the states he both won and lost, in addition to winning fewer and fewer states. As a last note, the primaries he did win toward the end were all those where there were more than one primary on the same day, causing time-and-cash strapped Clinton to pick one state and focus on it on those weeks.

I think that Obama's a lot weaker than he appears and I think if he's unelectable by now, he will be soon.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 7:38 PM

FUTURE NEWS SYNDICATE

Lost Tribe Of Hillary Holdouts Found

- BREAKING NEWS -

The first contact in several years with remnants of a holdout band of Hillary Clinton supporters took place yesterday, with a helicopter flyover identifying the handful of survivors. Unwilling to concede that the 2008 Democratic presidential primary had been fairly conducted, the hardy but dwindling tribe became increasingly isolated during the Obama/Leahy administrations, eschewing television and rumored to be surviving only on moss, pant suit juice and the occasional squirrel.

Following the merger of the Republican and Democratic Parties and repeal of the 22nd Amendment in 2015 which allowed Beloved Leader Obama's election to a third term by an unprecedented Electoral College vote of 538 - 0, the tribe disappeared and has not been heard from for several years. Until this sighting, the continued existence of the "Hillarians" was doubted and their story had passed into the realm of urban legend.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 7, 2008 7:34 PM

I can't wait now for the general election campaign. Obama is the one who has really broken the glass ceiling. So, now I don't have any qualms whatsover in voting for an old white guy, instead of a young black guy. I'm voting because of the positions. John McCain can keep America strong and free, and keep the government out of my pocket

Posted by: John | June 7, 2008 7:34 PM

"Anybody who says they supported Hillary but will vote for McLame is a LIAR. They are lying to themselves most of all."

In November, you'll find out how wrong you are.

Posted by: prettierthanyou | June 7, 2008 7:33 PM

intcamd:
"SHe won that primary by a few hundred thousand votes. Then, a few useless idiots who have too much time on their hand go participate in a 2nd election, called caucus"

Uh, Texas has had that system for a while now. I don't think they invented it to beat Senator Clinton.

"intimidate away the few Clinton supporters who show up there"

Source?

"This is precisely the kind of twisted rule set (never mind the rules which take away MI and FL)"

MI and FL took themselves away.

"after she kicks butt in the popular vote."

She didn't. She only won the popular vote if you don't count the caucuses and if you assume none of the "uncommitted" votes in Michigan would have gone to Obama if he had been on the ballot. And even then she wins by a razor thin margin.

Posted by: Craig | June 7, 2008 7:33 PM

"He's a liar"

Can you explain Hill-Bot's sniper fire whopper? As lies go, that was a beaut. ;)

We won't bring up, "I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary."

Or, "Gee, those missing files just SHOWED UP one day!"

Posted by: Chuckamok | June 7, 2008 7:33 PM

Sorry Mrs. Clinton, this life long democrat will vote Republican for the first time ever. After your speech today, I gave a donation to John McCain. He has my vote as well.

Obama is wrong for this country and I won't be part of that choice. He will lose. He deserves to lose. He's an empty suit.

Posted by: Pansycritter | June 7, 2008 7:32 PM

Well, there's one thing for sure: NO MORE RACE CARDS!!!! If/when the U.S. elects a black President, then thankfully no more cries of discrimination. Nominating and/or electing a black President speaks volumes - that effectively, there is no more discrimination against blacks. Finally, an end to the whining.

Posted by: tellthetruthnow | June 7, 2008 7:32 PM

Hopefully, some time soon, people will recognize Obama for what he is. They'll look back and see his trail of crooked, biggoted friends; the nuance that leaves us wondering what his hope for us is; his socialists friends.

His 20 year comfort in isolation with all of the above should give answer to why he is spiritually devoted to Africa? (A continent of perpetual revolution, starvation, disease, and murder.) We should see now, before it's too late, that what he prays to be liberated from is the nation our forefathers built to provide us with the opportunities that initiative and hard work provide. Even worse is that he prays for our liberation from the fruits of our labor in order for him to provide the desires of his brethren.

Posted by: rpatoh | June 7, 2008 7:31 PM

roger wallace -

Whazzamatter, can't afford to PAY to advertise your wares?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:30 PM

I supported Hillary. There is no way in jell i am going to vote for Barrack. He's a liar and closet racist. No way!!

Posted by: Lou | June 7, 2008 7:29 PM

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1 O Nation called Israel, thou art mine (god) and not another's. And I have and will bless thee, in all that I (god) am, as I am god forever. And yes, I love thee as mine true wife, forever, O Israel. And thou shalt always be mine, forever.
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2 And in theses days, place upon all of thine true selves, all that is me (god), as I am found in and as Jesus Christ. And this Jesus, he is thy true savior, who is called god forever.
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3 And why, should that seem strange to thee, aren't thou also sons and daughters of god, O Israel? Know ye not the scripture?
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4 Yea thou art, my sons and daughters, forever. And in me (god), is the life of all repentful true men, forever. And I am the forever, and so is thy soul forever-- therefore, place thy soul in Jesus my (god) son,
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5 That I (god) may accept thee, back into my arms again and forever-- as forgiven forever. As forgiven of all true seen sins. And in these days, thou shalt not make animal sacrifices, to me (god) for thy seen sins.
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9 IN these days, O Israel and world, I (god) will send this Jesus Christ, from heaven, as physically sent unto Israel, as being forever certain.
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11 And all shall raise again, including Adam and Eve thy mother, saith god, and this is eternally forever. And that true day of resurrection, shall not be like unto these sinful true days.
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12 For in that day of these days, all true seen sin, shall not ever be found again. And all true seen sin, shall never be found in all of my eternal seen creation.
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13 And those things, are eternally sure and certain forever, O Israel. Therefore, rejoice, for Jerusalem shall receive her king, who is called David, and who is Jesus Christ, who is thy eternal seen savior, as forever certain, and as, forever sure.
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Posted by: roger wallace | June 7, 2008 7:27 PM

Senator Clinton did an excellent job today and it came off as both pragmatic and heartfelt.

I am truly impressed with the analogies and other qualities of the rhetoric she relied upon to package her total message.

I am grateful she was graceful today.

Thank You.

Posted by: US-Citizen | June 7, 2008 7:15 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:24 PM

Just paid $70 to fill my car. I know who I'm voting for. Even if he can't lower the gas prices, I'll feel better about it. It would nice to have some real leadership in the WH for a change, and someone who can at least speak coherently.

Posted by: Bob | June 7, 2008 7:24 PM

AsperGirl:
"I heard her say it on CNN on the night of the North Carolina primary. The Dems don't need older and poorer whites anymore."

Actually, I found the transcript, and that's not what she said.

She said, "A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don't have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base and not throw out the baby with the bathwater."

See that, "we don't have to *just* rely on white blue-collar voters". Note the 'just'. She's saying that the appeal of the party is expanding beyond their traditional base.

It would be like John McCain saying, "we don't have to just rely on white, elderly, upper class voters", although in his case he'd be wrong. :)

Posted by: Craig | June 7, 2008 7:24 PM

Posted by: newsendorser | June 7, 2008 7:23 PM

ragindemo:

Thank you for an excellent post. I am with you all the way.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | June 7, 2008 7:23 PM

The dirtbag called Jimbo below claims CLinton lost TX.

Only in the twisted world of democratic party politics did CLinton lose TX.

SHe won that primary by a few hundred thousand votes. Then, a few useless idiots who have too much time on their hand go participate in a 2nd election, called caucus, intimidate away the few Clinton supporters who show up there, and lo and behold, NObama wins TX.

This is precisely the kind of twisted rule set (never mind the rules which take away MI and FL), that produces the dirt bag from IL as the nominee, and relegates Clinton to 2nd place, after she kicks butt in the popular vote.

Well, fear not, he manages to steal the nomination, but we will see how he wins in NOV with 1/2 of the dem party sitting home or writing in Hillary's name or voting Sen McCain

Posted by: intcamd | June 7, 2008 7:23 PM

This poster "gets it" What is up with the rest of you? Please stay on topic.

Senator Clinton,

I really appreciate the magnanimous and gracious concession speech you gave today. For the first time in a long time, I felt that I was not an Obama supporter or even a democrat, but an American. You ran a very hard fought campaign and we will really need your help to prevent 4 more years of Bush-like policies. Thank you for your support of Senator Obama and the democratic party. It will not be forgotten.

Sincerely,

Ted in Pittsburgh

Posted by: Ted in Pittsburgh | June 7, 2008 7:06 PM

Posted by: US-Citizen | June 7, 2008 7:22 PM

>>Anonymous Obama supporter who claims to know what makes market moves says: "Exactly, these are the FACTS [not opinion]"

You posted those "facts" in response to my asking you to back up your absurd statement

"The market was down quite a bit Friday. As someone who is an investor, I know why..."

Since you posted those "facts" in response to my asking you to back up your statement that you know why the market was down, presumably you were answering my question with your post.

Okay, now I'm really going to ignore you. You're just arguing, not even bothering to act consistent from post to post. You just want to bicker and use trashy language.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 7:21 PM

Who the heck is aspergirl?
Sounds like somebody needs a hug.

Posted by: Mack | June 7, 2008 7:20 PM

Aspergirl... I apologize. I was too astounded by the contents at the beginning of this blog and was blinded by the words. Again, my apologies for expressing my shock and ire at the wrong person.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:20 PM

OK - flip flopper Obama - not long ago he said he would remove the troops from Iraq by March 09 - the other day he said, well, maybe it might take up to a year or so to get things started. Sure, Barry - gettin' scared now?

Posted by: WHOCARES | June 7, 2008 7:19 PM

Quote:
"Wake up, African Americans.
The most successful blacks are Republicans."

That may be so, but as a minority in South Carolina, republicans seem a pretty scary bunch. I'm open-minded and educated but not stupid.

Posted by: MT | June 7, 2008 7:19 PM

I am currently a registered Democrat. That may soon change. I will not vote for Obama under any circumstances.

Posted by: binkmonster | June 7, 2008 7:07 PM
-------------------------------------------
No, you can't vote for someone who is black.

But McCain will be happy for your vote.
Just don't complain about the war, the economy or anything else when McCain is in the White House.

Posted by: You lost, get over it or enjoy your bitternes | June 7, 2008 7:19 PM

Could it be the same thing that started sudden, startling, 150 point slide at 1:26 p.m. on Tuesday afternoon, after the AP posted a news flash that "Barack Obama effectively clinches the Democratic Nomination" at 1:24 p.m.?

What do you think is responsible for the stark, dramatic market moves this week?

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 7:13 PM

No. Dumbass. News on Tuesday does not dramatically impact the market on Friday.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 7:19 PM

Being Republican doesn't make blacks successful. It's their sense of wanting to belong to the establishment that makes them join that party. No black person with common sense would be apart of the same party as Bush, McCain, Rove & Cheney. Remember too that Obama had to earn the black vote. Most blacks were hell bent on voting for Hillary until Iowa and the saw the possibilites in him. Also what is the problem of voting for a person of the same race when that person is the best? If we were all blind Obams would have lock this thing up along time ago. Hillary didn't run a good campaign and got bet plain and simple.

Posted by: Just the facts | June 7, 2008 7:19 PM

So Hilary gave an awesome speech?

That is if you are already on morphine. Politics is always about where you are coming from.

HRC as in Clinton 2 is an awesome lady, but we have decided to some into a new time and new ideas.

Posted by: jobes | June 7, 2008 7:18 PM

After losing Texas, Hillary really had no shot if you would look at the remaining contests. I thought Hillary would unite the party right before Obama won Oregon by going out with a win and conceding to the math. The race is about delegates, not popular where Hillary won Texas. They just about split the record numbers that voted and caucused. The Democratic party should have let the elections go on contested in MI and FL with the half vote penalty in the bylaws. A million stayed home in MI and a half million in FL which had a property tax item up for vote. Hillary gambled on super Tuesday and left herself without funds. Edwards dropped out early to give Obama a chance. He won 11 straight before Hillary wised up and lend her campaign some coin. Bubba's SC comments turned a 60-40 black vote advantage to 90-10. Hillary with far more skeletons in her closet attacked on race with Wright, patriotism with CIC and Ayers which backfired when the public became aware of Bubba's weather underground
pardons, bomb Pakistan by Al Libbi and Nasrullah deaths, the talks that led to N. Korea giving up it's program. McCain has many of the same problems and worse is senile or ignorant. The military committees he has been on certainly informed him of whom our enemies are with the Shia Iran and the evil Sunni fundamentalist terrorists. Al qaeda in Iran, more than once? Quds has been a thorn in our side but I'm pretty sure we are supplying insurgency there with whatever it wants. The Iraqi's seem to have taken control of the Shia areas with the last remnants of Quds in Baghdad. The Al Qaeda element is still there, but door to door by mainly Shia government forces might incite civil war. Better the US/Sunni security forces come out of the triangle to do the job. McCain and Obama are both wrong on Iraq, joints chiefs say max 80,000 men a year from now, and Obama can't withdraw as fast as he says because of logistics and reconfiguration times. 2 years to purge Al Qaeda and be sure of no civil war and we can be gone. Iran is no threat to us and can have it's nuclear aspirations ended with 1 satellite guided cruise missile aimed at the reactor in Arak.

Posted by: Jimbo | June 7, 2008 7:16 PM

"I've never seen adults act like this at all."

The Clinton supporters mimic the emotional maturity of their leaders.

Arrested development. Always look to blame others. If the rules don't work out for you, complain about the rules. Get REALLY good at lying and throwing tantrums.

Clintonism, 101.

Posted by: Chuckamok | June 7, 2008 7:16 PM

Senator Clinton did an excellent job today and it came off as both pragmatic and heartdfealt.

I am truly impressed with the analogies and other qualities of the rhetoric she relied upon to package her total message.

I am grateful she was graceful today.

Thank You.

Posted by: US-Citizen | June 7, 2008 7:15 PM

>> Amazed wrote: "Is Aspergirl for real? Wow... does somebody have a problem. While she (or he) ridicules other people for constant posts on the web, what's up with her posts?..."

I'm not posting that stuff. Just Obama supporters who are attacking me. People who read my posts know which ones are mine and which one is a paid Obama blog shill.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 7:15 PM

"Firstly, why did crude oil prices spike? People retreat into commodities due to fear, anxiety, inflation and other, more apocalyptic worries. Especially crude. When apocalyptic visions are upon us, the one thing that won't become valueless in today's global resource crunch is oil. Gold got busted as a flight into quality because of market manipulations by the U.S. and other governments since March to bring down the price of gold and support the value of the dollar. Since then, people who fear the collapse of currencies flee into other commodities that really have ineridacable value in this global moment: food that people need to eat and fuel to keep our lives running are the only real safe havens left when fear takes hold. So what spiked the price of oil on two dramatic, historic days starting the day Clinton announced she was conceding the race?"

You didn't answer my question, anonymous Obama supporter.

What started the price of oil spiking to historic levels on two dramatic days starting on the day Clinton announced she was conceding the race? What was the fear and sense of doom spread across the collective mind of the markets?

Could it be the same thing that started sudden, startling, 150 point slide at 1:26 p.m. on Tuesday afternoon, after the AP posted a news flash that "Barack Obama effectively clinches the Democratic Nomination" at 1:24 p.m.?

What do you think is responsible for the stark, dramatic market moves this week?

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 7:13 PM

Is Aspergirl for real? Wow... does somebody have a problem. While she (or he) ridicules other people for constant posts on the web, what's up with her posts? Doesn't she have a life? Perhaps her retirment is creating boredom and anger? Well, rather than denigrating the jealous, unemployed pieces of trash, as she calls them, perhaps she can volunteer some time and effort to improving some of that demographics life with some positivity... perhaps, since I assume her net worth is considerably more than the socioeconomic group she's dengirating, she could send some funds to non-profits that support and encourage them to attend school. Whew, Aspergirl comes off worse than the worst carticature of a Country Club Republican. Perhaps Aspergirl is a closet, moneyed corporate exec who wants to stir up and divide Democrats, thus hoping for a Republican victory that portends less taxes--with her mentality, she would likely not want either tax money going to social programs for uneducated, unemployed pieces of trash. With rants like hers, now I know why I rarely bother with blogs.

Posted by: Amazed | June 7, 2008 7:12 PM

" ... campaign managers were practicing politics of destruction, sexism, racism, and sleaze ..."

A PERFECT description of the Clintonistas.

Posted by: Chuckamok | June 7, 2008 7:12 PM

NO ONE IS BEING SEXIST: SHE JUST LOST. What is the real big hate of Obama that you would vote for McCain? When you kids get drafted in the 3rd world war, I don't want to hear it. When we are all buses to work by corporations because we can't afford gas, I don't want to hear it. Would you act the same way of Edwards bet Hillary? I've never seen adults act like this at all. We are just finishing 8 years of this mess and you would rather have brain dead McCain in office that Obama? That is Crazy. How can you switch parties so easily? It has to be something deeper. There is no logical reason to really hate Obama to this degree. When you lose your right to choice remember it started with you spoiled adults making the wrong chose.

Obama 08

Posted by: wizard of Oz | June 7, 2008 7:11 PM

You are right, Aspergirl. Don't back down, as Tom Petty might have said.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 7:10 PM

AsperGirl:
"That's not really enough qualification for President"

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me exactly what qualifications ARE sufficient for President.

And don't forget that experience doesn't mean much. Some of our worst Presidents had plenty of experience before taking office, but it didn't stop them from being terrible.

"You should have run a qualified, experienced and knowledgeable black man for president"

Obama is qualified (over 35, natural-born citizen, and over 14 years resident), and plenty knowledgeable. We can argue about experience once we have a definition of how much experience is sufficient. :)

"who converted from being Muslim"

He never was a Muslim.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

"The only reason he edged out Clinton was his solid black support."

And Bill Clinton got something like 80% of the black vote. So what?

Posted by: Craig | June 7, 2008 7:09 PM

Martin Luther King was a Republican.
The Dixiecrats were hell-bent on keeping African Americans down.
They still are, now with subtle, psychological mind games instead of fire hoses and dogs.
Look at the condition of major inner cities, all run by Democrats these past 50+ years. Look at the destruction of their families. Look at the number of blacks in prisons, and on drugs, and unemployed.
Wake up, African Americans.
The most successful blacks are Republicans.

Posted by: robtay12003 | June 7, 2008 7:09 PM

I am currently a registered Democrat. That may soon change. I will not vote for Obama under any circumstances.

Posted by: binkmonster | June 7, 2008 7:07 PM

Has anyone else noticed how little Republican Red there is in any of the campaign ads so far this year? Also almost no use of their elephant logo or the name Republican.

That's one dead brand!

Posted by: Chris | June 7, 2008 7:07 PM

treetopflyer

At least McCain is not a sleaze bag racist, who kept repeating pious dialogs, while his prostitute media pals, his brainddead groupies, and his campaign managers were practicing politics of destruction, sexism, racism, and sleaze. All of that applies to the dirt bag senator from IL and his scumbag minions.

Posted by: intcamd1 | June 7, 2008 7:07 PM

Senator Clinton,

I really appreciate the magnanimous and gracious concession speech you gave today. For the first time in a long time, I felt that I was not an Obama supporter or even a democrat, but an American. You ran a very hard fought campaign and we will really need your help to prevent 4 more years of Bush-like policies. Thank you for your support of Senator Obama and the democratic party. It will not be forgotten.

Sincerely,

Ted in Pittsburgh

Posted by: Ted in Pittsburgh | June 7, 2008 7:06 PM

>> Craig wrote: "quote?"

I heard her say it on CNN on the night of the North Carolina primary. The Dems don't need older and poorer whites anymore. I just did a quick search for that comment and found the following on a blog where another person mentioned hearing it:

"The comments from Donna Brazile on CNN that Obama represents a young "new democratic party" and that Obama can win without white men and hispanics made me so angry that I phoned the democratic party and reminded them that it was us, the seniors who vote "en masse" and that being from a hispanic background and married to a white guy, we felt insulted and if Obama's doesn't think he needs us then we would vote for whomever is grateful for our votes. He's so arrogant- he'll pay the price at the polls - he should not forget that hell has no fury like seniors, white guys and women especially hispanic women scorned! "

(http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/9/41145/20777)

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 7:04 PM

OBAMA FREED US FROM "THE CLINTON MACHINE"

Obama freed us from the "Clinton Machine" -- all those Hispanic, Asian, Jewish, gay, middle-aged-woman, senior citizen, bible-clutch and blue collar corrupt tools who voted for Clinton and sit around in smoke-filled back rooms forcing their manipulative games onto America.

How could we hang with all those brown-skinned, yellow-skinned and grey-haired people? Were we really supposed to be associated with those downscale Appalacians? There's only room in the rainbow coalition of "new politics" for two colors: black and an elite, cool white.

Hooray! Obama made America safe for his broad base of affluent, left-wing whites, college students and blacks. Safe from the rest of those "old Democrats". Obama successfully freed the left-wing, affluent white elites and the college students from the oppression of these "old Democrats" and "the Clinton Machine"!

What America needs in 2008 is a change in STYLE and TONE, away from all these dumpy, downscale "old Democrats" with their "old politics"!

America needs unspecified change brought about by a semiotic candidate who talks like he knows and acts like he's cool.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 6:58 PM

Well, she lied again ... promising to take it to the convention. Obama would do better NOT to bring her on the ticket.

Posted by: Rick from Houston | June 7, 2008 6:58 PM

AsperGirl - Quit talking about the "whitey" tape; it's supposed to be a secret. It is going to be used later this summer to counter the secret tape of McCain smoking on two black dongs while Ann Coulter sticks her fist in his sock puppet fist sticking place. In the background, George Bush is munching on pretzels and gagging, and Cheney is reloading his shotgun while standing in front of what looks like a small child lying prone and lifeless on the ground. Hagee is wearing a Swastika cape and taking a hit from Ted Haggard's glass pipe. Haggard is sitting on something sharp and smiling at Don Rumsfeld who keeps punching Tom Delay in head. When Doug Fieth slips on some blood, Bush can be heard laughing, choking, and point to what he calls a "freak accident".

So please, keep it down.

Posted by: KAckermann | June 7, 2008 6:57 PM

AsperGirl:
"As soon as it becomes clear that her supporters will do as she asks and support Obama, if that happens, it's back to dumping on her and retaliating against her.

If the Clinton base starts moving toward Obama, then they won't need to be nice to her anymore."

This is pretty silly tinfoil hat stuff. Of course the Democrats need to keep Hillary. It's basically a 50/50 split in the Senate, and losing a strong Democratic Senator would hurt. My guess is that Obama won't pick a Senator for his VP for the same reason.

"As a final note, Donna Brazile and other Democratic Party insiders had already dismissed Clinton's women and blue collar white voters, saying that Obama has enough new voters and higher mobilization of black people to make the other two demographics unnecessary to the Democrats anymore."

You can provide a quote for that, surely?

Posted by: Craig | June 7, 2008 6:55 PM

"Clinton will come roaring back in 2012."

Thanks for the laugh. ;)

Posted by: Chuckamok | June 7, 2008 6:55 PM

For me, it's ABM... Anybody But McBush and the spend-spend-spend republicans and their anything goes philosophy

Posted by: Nick | June 7, 2008 6:55 PM

>> Craig wrote: "AsperGirl: Actually this is an interesting story. Some people concluded that this was a rumor. But lately it has new credibility."
--"Actually, no it doesn't. In fact, the whole rumor sounds suspiciously like it was lifted from a novel."

Craig, I know. It's just that because someone is posting nasty smears in my name, I'm posting all the bad stuff on their candidate, that the press has been sitting on and that they frantically try to ignore.

They haven't figured out that when they insult me with nasty attacks, I just go to my files and post the nasty stuff they are trying to cover up about their candidate. They insult me, and I post Obama negatives.

The Obama blogging shills don't realize that (1) they are not hurting my feelings and (2) they aren't helping their candidate.

Since I've more or less made up my mind today to oppose Obama based on the sexism and verbal abuse and hate speech that is common among his supporters, they are simply helping me to do my part by providing the excuse for me to post Obama-oppostition material.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 6:52 PM

What a joke.

Clinton forced by the sexist pigs. She finally gives in, and goes along with the conventional "wisdom" that she needs to fall in line to keep the party united.

Guess what, it is not united.

Our support was for Clinton, not any dirt bag that she is forced to endorse. Clinton was blackmailed, by the media prostitutes, the thugs that populate the democratic party, and every one in between.

However, the majority of the 18 mil people know better. They knew better, enough to vote Clinton, even as the media prostitutes such as Russert, Matthews, Olberman, Dowd, Rich, RObinson, and so on, kept telling us that "Mr EMpty Suit is the right way to go, and that it was alright to be sexist".

So, come Nov, my fellow Clinton supporters, just remember that if you are forced into supporting NObama, it is equal to agreeing with all the awful trash that came out of the mouths of media prostitutes, Democratic rascals such as Richardson, and of course, all the NObama worshipping gutter rats on the internet.

Stay home, or vote McCain. Hold your nose, as you must, while doing so. The Republican thugs wil inevitably screw up even more, and Clinton will come roaring back in 2012.

Posted by: intcamd | June 7, 2008 6:50 PM

AsperGirl says we cannot be against Obama unless there's something seriously wrong with us socially.
New standards.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 6:47 PM


I am a worthless piece of garbage that posts trash on the Internet all day because I have no life and I have no job. I am clearly jealous of a man who has accomplished so much--Barack Obama--when I am a worthless piece of unemployed trash.

Blah blah blah Reverend Wright Blah Blah Racism Blah Blah
I am a racist with a poor education and even less net worth.
I am thus pretty low on the socio-economic totem pole and easily threatened.
I mean everyone knows African Americans are racist.
That's why we made them slaves. Clearly they started it.
I never took psychology and have no idea what transference is.
I'm just going to lie and say: I'm not a racist, but Obama is and hope it sticks.
Blah blah blah Muslim Blah Blah Blah Hussein Blah Blah Blah

I will continue to post garbage on the Internet all day every day because I have no life and I have no job. All I have is an all-consuming jealousy of Barack Obama because of all he has accomplished when I am a worthless piece of unemployed trash.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 6:46 PM

I hope that some fences within the DNC can be mended. But, I know this much, the rhetoric on both sides of the aisle sounds the same to me:
(1) Surrender vs. Withdrawal (you have to regroup sometime and give our troops a break. We can't afford $$$ to 'adopt' Iraq like it's a dev. country)

(2) Bomb Iran vs. Don't bomb Iran (you bomb Iran, then what? or You ignore that Iran's a threat, then what?)

(3) Universal health care vs. non-universal health care (health care needs massive reform; the population is getting older)

(4) Our Economy is simply in the tank--both candidates will remain richer than most all of us after the election and after being in office.

Posted by: CT | June 7, 2008 6:45 PM

Get it? The fat lady has sung?

Posted by: Karl | June 7, 2008 6:45 PM

Oh great anonymous investor who knows what moves markets, I respond to your absurdly shallow ideations of your insightfulness below:

"Wall Street suffered its worst losses in more than two months on Friday after crude oil prices spiked over $138, an increase of nearly $11, and the unemployment rate rose more than expected." NYT

Yes, you should really make investment decisions based on what a REPORTER writes.

Firstly, why did crude oil prices spike? People retreat into commodities due to fear, anxiety, inflation and other, more apocalyptic worries. Especially crude. When apocalyptic visions are upon us, the one thing that won't become valueless in today's global resource crunch is oil. Gold got busted as a flight into quality because of market manipulations by the U.S. and other governments since March to bring down the price of gold and support the value of the dollar. Since then, people who fear the collapse of currencies flee into other commodities that really have ineridacable value in this global moment: food that people need to eat and fuel to keep our lives running are the only real safe havens left when fear takes hold. So what spiked the price of oil on two dramatic, historic days starting day Clinton announced she was conceding the race?

The unemployment rate in May was spiked by the entry into the job market of a lot of kids out of college and high school, who didn't find jobs easily, not an actual contraction of the employment market. But the fact that there was such an anxiety-and-fear mentality for other reasons, made that simple fact lead to a remarkable sell-off.

There are always bad facts that trigger market crashes and good facts that trigger markets soaring. It's the herd mentality and the other fears and anxieties spread across the group mind of the markets that allow these triggers to have little impact on one day whereas they lead to big market moves on another day.

You Obama supporters who think you're so educated because you're all at the low-I.Q. level of the reporters and journalists you read like they are prophets of truth and wisdom, are really, really less intelligent than the blue collar workers who vote based on what they see and hear and think, not what some media type tells them.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 6:44 PM

Quote from another post
"Just like Obama supporter to bring race into the discussion. I never mentioned race. How do you know what color I am? I was only talking about sexism. It is curious that whenever anyone talks against Obama, they are racist."

The same can be said about anyone who talks about Sen Clinton. They are called sexist

This race IS NOT About Gender of Race. It's about our future and our kids future.

I'm so surprised to her women care more about putting the first woman in office, then their kids future

Posted by: Works both ways | June 7, 2008 6:42 PM

"Bill Clinton lashes out at sleazy journalism."

Dripping in irony. Drip. Drip.

Oh, well, maybe the Clintons will now, FINALLY, drive their Endless Melodrama Calliope off the stage of the Democratic party.

Once cleared of this dreck, maybe something substantive might happen. Maybe.

Posted by: Chuckamok | June 7, 2008 6:42 PM

Yip, yip, yipee.
Love is in the air.
She was only kidding when she said Obama wasn't qualified to be President.

Posted by: robtay12003 | June 7, 2008 6:41 PM

Hillary was definitely forced out. She was forced out by her delegations when they switched to endorse Obama. She was forced out by her supporters when they ceased to supporting her.

Hillary doesn't know when to quit, how to quit. She is a dumb B. But it is OK. As long as she voices her support to Obama openly, I am fine with it.

I am a veteran. I am retired. I had a black boyfriend. I make big money from investing on foreign stocks. I don't own any US stocks because they suck.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 6:38 PM

Supposedly "AsperGirl":
"I am a worthless piece of garbage that posts trash on the Internet all day because I have no life and I have no job. I am clearly jealous of a man who has accomplished so much--Barack Obama--when I am a worthless piece of unemployed trash."

You know, as much as I think the real AsperGirl is wrong about nearly everything, there's no call for posting this kind of stuff.

Posted by: Craig | June 7, 2008 6:34 PM

Instead of griping so much about Obama/unfairness/bias/misogyny/etc., can anyone here tell me what's so great about McCain? He refused to leave his buddies in the Hanoi Hilton, granted. What's he done since then? I mean, that he hasn't turned his back on in the last seven years.


Anyone??

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 7, 2008 6:33 PM

yoschoharo
You right Your resistance will be quiet, but it will be felt!

By you , your family, and by Sen Clinton.

For all of you women who want to see a female president. The best way to do that is to get a Dem. in office.

Posted by: United we stand | June 7, 2008 6:32 PM

"He's also been friends with ex-terrorists ..."

You must mean Bill Clinton, who pardoned PR terrorists to help his wife carpetbag that NY Senate seat.

Or maybe you remember Hillary all kissy-face with Suha Arafat, wife of Terrorist All-Star Yasser?

Posted by: Chuckamok | June 7, 2008 6:31 PM

Judy Muste:

Thank you very much for the insight. I didn't realize we could vote for who we wanted. I was confused because at first I was going to vote for Obama, but then Clinton just told me who to vote for Obama so I didn't know who to listen to, me or her.

Also, I was standing outside with my mouth open one time, and do you know what happened? A bee flew right into my mouth, and then it flew back out. I tried to run after it with my mouth open to see if I could catch it, but I pooped my pants and forgot about the bee.

Posted by: KAckermann | June 7, 2008 6:31 PM

AsperGirl:
"Actually this is an interesting story. Some people concluded that this was a rumor. But lately it has new credibility."

Actually, no it doesn't. In fact, the whole rumor sounds suspiciously like it was lifted from a novel.

Read this: http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Mzc3ZWNhNThmM2JhMzliZDUxMWNmMmU5M2ZiNmM1YTY=

Posted by: Craig | June 7, 2008 6:30 PM

Don't argue with me: even if Obama were president when 9/11 occurred, I wouldn't imagine this country be in much better shape than what we are in with Bush today.
Posted by: Judy Muste | June 7, 2008 6:17 PM

Except for that LITTLE over half a trillion dollars we've lost in a pointless war.

And another 4,000+ brave Americans who gave their life for Bush's war lies.

No, no difference AT ALL.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 6:30 PM

Sorry, but you are not winning any hearts or minds here. And without the 54% of the electorate that is female, Mr. Obama does not have a chance of winning.

Posted by: im4america
***********************
If a misinformed troll like Aspergirl (check her comments on WAPO) is your battle cry, I am embarrassed I have female parts.

Posted by: To the idiot mobile!!! | June 7, 2008 6:29 PM

I guess you can say it is over because the fat lady has sung.

Posted by: Karl | June 7, 2008 6:28 PM

Obama hasn't only spent his adult life with anti-white racists and hate speech artists in his pro-Islamist "Christian" Trinity Church. He's also been friends with ex-terrorists who bombed and killed people and got off free. He launched his presidential campaign at the house of one of them, William Ayers.

Anne Coulter, a Hillary supporter, revisited some history of "the Weathermen", a group of domestic terrorists from the 1960's. William Ayers -- who the media has labeled "the unrepentant terrorist" -- is a friend of Barack Obama's, at whose house Obama had the meeting that launched his political, was an active terrorist of the Weather Underground.

Conservatives and national-security voters aren't happy. In "Obama's 'Distractions'?" in the 04/25/08 Washington Post, Charles Krauthammer argues: "Obama's defense is that he was 8 when Ayers and his Weather Underground comrades were planting bombs at the Pentagon, the U.S. Capitol and other buildings. True. But Obama was 40 when Ayers said publicly that he doesn't regret setting bombs."

Below are some passages from Anne Coulter's speech:
____________

Asked why he would be friends with the likes of Weatherman Bill Ayers, Obama said: "The notion that ... me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense."

That's a slick answer -- even "Clintonian"! -- but the problem is, Ayers and his Weatherman wife, Bernadine Dohrn, won't stop boasting about their days as Weathermen...

At one rally, Dohrn famously praised the Manson family for murdering Sharon Tate and others, shouting: "Dig it. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach! Wild!"... recently, the members of the Manson family have distanced themselves from Ayers and Dohrn.

At other rallies, Dohrn said, "Bring the revolution home, kill your parents -- that's where it's at."

After a Chicago Democratic official, Richard Elrod, became paralyzed while fighting with a privileged looter during the Weathermen's "Days of Rage," Dohrn led the Weathermen in a song sung to the tune of Bob Dylan's "Lay Lady Lay":

Lay, Elrod, lay, Lay in the street for a while
Stay, Elrod, stay, Stay in your bed for a while
You thought you could stop the Weatherman
But up-front people put you on your can,
Stay, Elrod, stay, Stay in your iron lung,
Play, Elrod, play, Play with your toes for a while

Only because of a merciful God is the author of that ditty, Ted Gold, not teaching at Northwestern or the University of Illinois now, alongside Dohrn or Ayers. That's because Gold is no longer with us, having accidentally blown himself up with a bomb intended for a dance at Fort Dix for new recruits and their dates...

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 6:26 PM

Arg - You nailed it.

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 7, 2008 6:26 PM

Sorry, but you are not winning any hearts or minds here. And without the 54% of the electorate that is female, Mr. Obama does not have a chance of winning.

Posted by: im4america | June 7, 2008 6:23 PM

Really. Is that why he leads McCain in the polls?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 6:25 PM

I listen to the Hillary bitter-enders, the utter hatred, the spite, the venom. You sound like a bunch of ex-wives getting even with their husbands.

pro-choice: Hillary and Obama
anti- stupid-war: Hillary and Obama
Health care for all: Hillary and Obama
invest in middle class: Hillary and Obama
rescind tax breaks for rich: Hillary and Obama

anti-choice: McCain
pro-stupid-war: McCain
Darwinist Health Care: McCain
Screw the middle class: McCain
Feed the rich: McCain

So Hillary bitter enders, I guess the principles you believe in, that you felt Hillary believes in, I guess these don't really mean anything to. you'd rather vote for McCain, for two more Scalias on the supreme court, for endless war and new war in Iran, for a political mindset that hasn't a clue how to manage the economy.

For the chance to punish your own kind for disagreeing with you, you're going to dispense with your principles and vote for the enemy.

However else you describe it to yourself, however much you whine about real and imagined sexism being behind Hillary's loss - she lost. Your party's candidate needs your vote, but you're going to say screw that, I hate you, I'm stamping my foot, I'm having a hissy fit, I'm voting for McCain.

children.

Posted by: Arg | June 7, 2008 6:25 PM

I'm going to stop responding to the hate speech artists now. The paid blogging shills are painfully stupid...

Posted by: AsperGirl
*************************
Don't sell yourself short, Aspergirl. You are mega painfully stupid.

and the "video"? LOL! God, you are stupid..

Posted by: 2008 | June 7, 2008 6:24 PM

To all the misogynist Obama "supporters" posting on this and other blogs - a solid majority of the electorate is female and offended by your comments.

"Asperturd"

"AsperGirl = REPUKE TROLL"

"Damn b_itch"

"Big F**king deal!"

"Now maybe she will just go away and give Bill the sex he needs"

"Don't let the door hit you in the rear end as you exit"

Sorry, but you are not winning any hearts or minds here. And without the 54% of the electorate that is female, Mr. Obama does not have a chance of winning.

Posted by: im4america | June 7, 2008 6:23 PM

..."Another BRILLANT ARTICLE from the "WASHINGTON POST." "Factual/Truthful/Accurate/republican/record/mess/RECORD/CRIMINAL."

"America needs to "THROW.........."ALL REPUBLICANS......O..U..T!

..."America/We need "DEMOCRATS BACK" to restore our "RIGHTS" reduce our "PRISONS/OVERCROWDED/JAILS/and INVESTIGATE THE LAST 121 YEARS OF REPUBICANS DISASTEROUS/CRIMINAL RECORD that has turne the United States into a MESS/Economy/image/Repulbicans/record/RESULTS/......A "New POLICE STATE!

I'm working for Obama, and voting for Obama,and "I'm writting for "Barack!

I voted for Hillary here on Super Tuesday, and she carried "TENNESSEE."

Just like she'll carry Barack Obama to the WHITE HOUSE, mark these words.

"Obama can't win without Hillary, and "WILL WALK IN WITH HILLARY/VP/Presidential Candiate, and not even "Millionaire/McSame/Lockstep/Bush supportor McCain in this MESS before us all the way, and I mean all the way, Wow/republican "MESS BEFORE US ALL!

Record Gas Prices, record "PROFITS FOR THE OIL COMPANIES in the HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS" of BILLIONS OF YOUR DOLLARS! WHile the republicans sit on their hands and run laughing all the way to the BANK!

If Barack expects to "WIN" he better pick HILLARY..........."SHE'S EARNED IT!

..."If America expects to WIN it better PICK BARACK!

"A time comes, "When Silence Is Betrayal."
---Martin L. King

"America needs to throw all republicans out of all three branches of government so we can get to the truth of the last 12 "DISASTEROUS/RUN/REPUBLICAN/RECORD/RESULTS/MESS/CRIMINAL!

..."The republicans record shows "THEY HAVE BROKE U.S.LAW, and INTERNATIONAL LAWS.

While our economy goes down the tubes everyday with taking thousands of good hard working American's with it!

"True Patriotism, "Hates Injustice In Its Own Land, "MORE..."Than Anywhere Else."
--Clarence Darrow

Sincerely, Tommy Birchfield, Voter/Vet USAF
Master's Program, East Tennessee State
University, Summer...2008.

Posted by: Tommy Birchfield | June 7, 2008 6:22 PM

Today I mourn for the dashed hope of the first woman president of these United States, my adopted country.

I mourn that a more qualified and more experienced candidate did not win. That once again America chose charisma over substance.

I mourn that younger women did not have the foresight to see that their now male counterparts will advance rapidly with much higher pay. They too will some day experience the glass ceiling that Hilary valiantly attempted to shatter as much for herself as for their behalf.

Posted by: YFL | June 7, 2008 6:20 PM

This country has voted for Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. As an independent I say that this country will always get what it deserves...and votes for.

Good luck in November.

--Sorry for the misspelling, and let me add Carter to the presidential list

Posted by: sc1966 | June 7, 2008 6:20 PM

Even if Michelle Obama used to like clintons, what no normal Black intelligent person in Chicago did, the way clintons campaiged against Obama should have opened her eyes, as it did to eyes of all Black people. So, AsperGirl, Michelle Obama would do her husband a favor, i think, if she reduces a bit her public speeches until his election, or, at least, reduces her passion, which she could not hide in these speeches. But she told THE TRUTH, no matter how unpleasant for you this truth might be. Clinton belong to te garbage can of history, and there they already are.

Posted by: aepelbaum | June 7, 2008 6:19 PM

There are many of us Clinton supporters (men and women alike) who will vote our consciences this fall for McCain. We will not protest in the streets, nor scream at reporters, nor yell at Obama supporters. Our resistance will be quiet, but it will be felt!

Posted by: yoschoharo | June 7, 2008 6:18 PM

I did not vote for Hillary because she told me to, and will not vote for anyone who she tells me to. Everyone has freedom to choose (bet on) whoever they like, speeches like what she gave today is simply formality and totally hollow.

If the reason I voted for Hillary was because she's a woman, could Obama cut his thing off and transform? If so, I might consider. If I voted for Hillary was because I liked her husband, could obama dump his monster wife and get someone I may like? If so, I might consider. There are millions of reason people vote, and none of these reasons have anything to do with politics. The way candidates laugh, talk, and most importantly the look are far more important than their party affiliation, policy standing. It seem to me Obama and Sanjaya share similarity in that last respect.

This is America, where people choose their presidents the way people bet on horses: its just entertainment. Don't argue with me: even if Obama were president when 9/11 occurred, I wouldn't imagine this country be in much better shape than what we are in with Bush today.

So Hillary fans, just go home and forget about the game, its over. Let the Obama fans and McCain fans watch the rest of the games. We can watch Olympics instead.

Posted by: Judy Muste | June 7, 2008 6:17 PM

"The market was down quite a bit Friday. As someone who is an investor, I know why..."

If you know why the market was down on Friday, you're doing better than everyone else in the world. Analysts just guess what makes markets move, they don't know.

If you claim to "know" why in most market moves, you just reveal that are ignorant. That's like someone who goes around claiming to be a good fly fisherman. Real fly fishermen don't do that.

I'm going to stop responding to the hate speech artists now. The paid blogging shills are painfully stupid...

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 6:17 PM

This country has voted for Regan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. As an independent I say that this country will always get what it deserves...and votes for.

Good luck in November.

Posted by: sc1966 | June 7, 2008 6:17 PM

Lynne says- Your post sounds a little too RepubliCON to me. What good Democrat would vote for a guy who is guided by special interests over voter interest;


Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anybody who doesn't agree with you or back Obama is a republican. No democrat could find Obama repugnant, but you happily trash Clinton and refuse to vote for her.

Posted by: seekerserol | June 7, 2008 6:13 PM

"She is not saying "whitey" but "Why'd he?" asking questions about the Bush (the "he") administration's actions in a pane."

Even if Michelle Obama was doing a "Why'd he", like punning on the sound of "why'd he" sounding like "whitey", that's still racist.

If it does exist, it seems that Michelle Obama has always hated the Clintons:

"Michelle Obama spoke at the "Women's Event", but referenced Bill Clinton in her rant --- his presence at the conference was the impetus for her raving, it seems. ...

"For about 30 minutes, Michelle Obama launched into a rant about the evils of America, and how America is to blame for the problems of Africa. Michelle personally blamed President Clinton for the deaths of millions of Africans and said America is responsible for the genocide of the Tutsis and other ethnic groups. She then launched into an attack on "whitey", and talked about solutions to black on black crime in the realm of diverting those actions onto white America. Her rant was fueled by the crowd: they reacted strongly to what she said, so she got more passionate and enraged, and that's when she completely loses it and says things that have made the mouths drop of everyone who's seen this."

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 6:12 PM

Hillary's gracious. It's fitting that she maintains loyalty to her own party and backs Obama. Some Obama democrat supporters however, are still happy to smear mud on Hillary like republican used to do. What had Hillary done to those people's life that deserves those hatred, I don't understand. As independent, I find Obama supporters disgenuine in asking Hillary supporters when they maintained all along they wouldn't support Hillary if Hillary is nominated rather than Obama. They and the media had successfully made democrats believe democrats won't have a chance if they lose black votes and so have to choose Obama. I see injustice in this discounting of importance of all other electoral groups, and unfair in suggesting not supporting Obama as somehow racially motivated. I see injustice in the relentless, one sided attacks from the media on the Clintons. Media ganged up on Gore and Kerry and went easy on Bush and didn't educate the public how Bush had lost money for Texas and for his own company. Look at what we ended up, with gas at $4 going $5. Experience does count, the elder Bush is much smarter and won a brilliant war, militarily, diplomatically, and politically. I think Collin Powell would have make a great president had he run.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 6:05 PM

Your post sounds a little too RepubliCON to me. What good Democrat would vote for a guy who is guided by special interests over voter interest; A guy who thinks diplomacy is weakness and a good foreign policy is all about military might; a guy who stands against healthcare for all; a guy who will continue GW's economic policies? No good Democrat would vote for this no matter how disappointed they are.

So, good luck Senator Obama with all 'us women' out there -- your ladder may not be as high as you think!

Posted by: mpwynn@spro.net | June 7, 2008 4:37 PM

Posted by: Lynne | June 7, 2008 6:04 PM

"She is not saying "whitey" but "Why'd he?" asking questions about the Bush (the "he") administration's actions in a pane . Second, Farrakan was not there - Mrs. Farakhan was. I could go on and on, but being the gold-plated dupe you are, there is no point. The tape is a joke, but it figures why you would slavishly look forward to it."

See, this is exactly what I said earlier.

The Obama campaign has started a "Whitey" == "why'd he" misinformation campaign to pretend that this is how all black people talk, so white people won't know that this is a black-on-white racist slur.

This video really does exist, because the self-obsessed grievance mentality narcissists at Trinity tape everything that goes on there and broadcasts it to the world.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 6:02 PM

My husband is a rising executive in the world, don'cha know. I am known for my candlelight suppers and I am not one to brag about my extremely artistic son Sheridan.

Posted by: Aspergirl is keeping up appearances... | June 7, 2008 5:59 PM


Secret Washington Meeting Between Obama and Clinton

hillary; "so, when do we move in?"

obama; "excuse me?"

hillary; "i said, so when do bill and i move into the whitehouse?"

obama; "you don't."

hillary; "excuse me?"

obama; "you don't."

hillary; "b-b-but.. i'm going to be your vice president. it's what i want."

obama; "i'm the nominee. you lost."

hillary; "but i deserve to be vice president."

obama; "you don't DESERVE anything. you attacked me the entire campaign."

hillary; "i was just kidding with you."

obama; "you brought racism into this contest. you tried to divide the country."

hillary; "it was a joke obama man!"

obama; "you brought religion into this contest. you mocked me."

hillary; "oh silly boy. nobody took any of that seriously."

obama; "you even tried to make a little flag pin an issue of patriotism."

hillary; "you goofball! we were having fun with you!"

obama; "you ran a typical republican negative campaign. you tried to discredit everything i stood for."

hillary; "nooooooooooo.. i was trying to emphasize to people all your great ideas."

obama; "and even after all that.. you never congratulated me on the win."

hillary; "is that what this is all about?"

obama; "maybe if you congratulated me, it would help."

hillary; "oh my goodness. is it already getting this late?"

obama; "you can't, can you..."

hillary; "of course i can! but i need to get home to make dinner for bill."

obama; "just a simple, 'congratulations obama.' "

hillary; "did i tell you chelsea got a new pair of shoes?"

obama; "you can't congratulate me, but you have the audacity of demanding to be the vice president."

hillary; "well.. i'll take an appointment to the supreme court then.."

obama; "i don't think so."

hillary; "then i'm to head the world bank?"

obama; "nope."

hillary; "ambassador to france?"

obama; "nope."

hillary; "switzerland?"

obama; "nope.

hillary; "well.. what then?"

obama; "ever hear of afghanistan? they need a goat herder."

hillary; "surely you jest.."

obama; "i never jest.. and quit calling me surely."

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | June 7, 2008 5:59 PM

It'll be interesting...

HRC acknowledges that winning the White House in November is the most important thing in the election.

Will her True-Blue Believers see the truth in that? Or, out a fit of pique, will they not vote or vote for McShame?

Why would HRC supporters follow her through thick and thin, yet not follow her when she says she fully supports Obama?

Most, if not all, of HRC's supporters will see the logic of following her lead.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | June 7, 2008 5:59 PM

>> dre786 wrote: "Repeat after me "There is no 'Whitey' video!" "There is no 'Whitey' video!" "There is no 'Whitey' video!" Keep saying it until some sanity comes back to your brain."

Actually this is an interesting story. Some people concluded that this was a rumor. But lately it has new credibility. The Obama campaign has been spreading talking points that black people are supposed to pretend that "whitey" means "Why'd he". So when Michelle says,

"Whitey let New Orleans drown"

and things like that, black people are supposed to pretend that means she's referring to The Man, and actually saying

"Why'd he let New Orleans drown".

And all black people are supposed to pretend that this is true, just like the Washington Post wrote those articles about how Trinity Church was a normal black church, and that this is how all black preachers talk, and that the anti-white racist rants were just a form of "prophetic speech".

So everyone is supposed to pretend that "whitey" is just a way black people question the actions of The Man, and say "why'd he" (do this or that).

Since that has come out, now people really do think this "Whitey" video exists, since the Obama people are trying to lay the groundwork for a misinformation campaign to counteract it.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 5:59 PM

To iamasofaking; I wish i could have some intellect on this blog and respond to what I am saying about facts.

My comments were aimed at Obama supporters and the DNC regarding how they "cheated" for Obama and overlook the facts. As I stated, look how they let these states "rip off" Hillary and her delegates she earned.

I want some "intelligence" on this blog and respond to what I said about Texas, Florida and Michigan delegates. How on earth can they allow Texas to take away the winners votes? Why hasn't "anyone" said "anything" about this?

Oh, by the way... many of Hillary's supporters are educated, Christians, and just do not want to see our candidate cheated!

Go McCain!

Posted by: Cecilia | June 7, 2008 5:58 PM

Could we quit it with all this "idiot" and other name-calling crap? What's more important, getting your licks in on an online forum or making sure we don't have four more years of Bush policies?

There's a lot of work that needs to be done. Both sides need to congratulate each other on a hard-fought campaign. Donations need to be made, if not to the Obama campaign then to the DNC. Local and state candidates need our support. Instead of sticking our tongues out at each other, we need to figure out how to work together to turn this country around. Just some ideas to throw out here:

1. Donate - Obama, DNC, local and state candidates. Obama's proved that if you can order on Amazon or iTunes you can go to www.yourcandidate.com and donate.

2. Register voters - Whatever candidate you're for, it's hard to argue against widening voter participation. Also, it's a good way to work with people who don't necessarily share your views and get to know them.

3. Volunteer - If not Obama, find out who the Democratic candidates are in your area so the Democrats are as well-equipped as possible in the next Congress to overcome Republican obstructionism.


Nothing is more important than defeating McCain in November. It's just as unseemly and counterproductive for Clinton supporters to wallow in spite and anger as it is for Obama supporters to rub Clinton's loss in her supporters' faces. Doing that will just roll out the red carpet for McSame straight into the Oval Office. No one with a grain of sanity wants that.

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 7, 2008 5:57 PM

C. E. Edwards, Esq, no, but you hide behind an affectation as if to say "I'm an attorney, and la de dah I am sooo smart"

res ipsa loquiter? really?

Posted by: C.C. Chaucer, Esq, P.hd, BBC, FCC | June 7, 2008 5:55 PM

The Whitey video supposedly has Michelle Obama sitting on a panel with Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam leader, at Trinity Church, saying "Whitey" this and "Whitey" that, criticizing white people.

It's supposed to be a "STUNNING" video of Michelle doing a racist rant, although there also theories that it's a kind of rumor or urban myth.


Posted by: AsperGirl
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Asperturd, the reason why this video has not surfaced is because it is huge embarrassment to the idiot who thought he had a bonanza. She is not saying "whitey" but "Why'd he?" asking questions about the Bush (the "he") administration's actions in a pane . Second, Farrakan was not there - Mrs. Farakhan was. I could go on and on, but being the gold-plated dupe you are, there is no point. The tape is a joke, but it figures why you would slavishly look forward to it.

Posted by: Apergirl needs a job, preferably one with a lot of repetition... | June 7, 2008 5:53 PM

To: Now we know why there are lawyer jokes:
W@W, impressive! "To Work or Fight, We are Ready"... I'm retired and I don't hide behind a stupid pet rock, nom de plume!

Posted by: C. E. Edwards, Esq. | June 7, 2008 5:52 PM

"Many others are more experienced, that's what counts."
JC Tennessee

What do Lincoln and Obama have in common?
Both have the same amount of federally elected pre-presidential experience.

Great arguments, JC. Which include a logical continuation of whatever points you're arguing.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:52 PM

Keeping with the spirit of Hillary's speech I think I will take time out, keep an open mind and give things a bit of time. Who knows Hillary might actually follow through and deliver.

Echo2 - you will just have to wait till and if Hillary goes offtrack.

Posted by: Jason | June 7, 2008 5:52 PM

Hillary Clinton gave a tremendous speech today endorsing Barack Obama and supporting the Democratic party. Clinton supporters, it's time to forgive the Obama supporters (not necessarily the media) and unite the Democratic party. Obama supporters it is time to forgive the Clinton campaign for any perceived wrongs and unite the Democrats. It is time to stop bashing each other and Hillary and Barack and come together to defeat the RepubliCONs. Hillary and Barack want health care for all, to fight for global climate change, ensure a woman's right to make her own medical decisions, and the END THE WAR IN IRAQ. If you are a Democrat, you want these things, too. McC will continue the policies of GW and the RepubliCONs. Let's get it together now and have a Democrat in the White House.

Posted by: Lynne | June 7, 2008 5:50 PM

Can we just praise Hillary today or the next few days. She did the job. She knew what had to done, and like a professional she did it. Need I say more.

Posted by: bpower | June 7, 2008 5:48 PM

no-name:
" Lincoln wasn't more experienced. Try learning something JC "

I never said that. *You* need to learn - how to read at least.

Posted by: JC Tennessee | June 7, 2008 5:47 PM

You are all so funny. You're not insulting me. When I said "if I decide to go back to work" that's because I quit working because my husband is a rising executive and is making enough money for me to not have to work. I'm getting a lot of things done and managing our money and setting up our investments, and I'm thinking about going to grad school or law school.

You know, if I were laid off or unemployed due to some injury or misfortune, you'd be really low jerks. Wait a minute, you still are really low jerks.

Half of these incoherent, simian posts are probably the "unemployed" Rev. Jeremiah Wright venting his black hate from the office computer at Trinity Church.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 5:46 PM

Repeat after me "There is no 'Whitey' video!" "There is no 'Whitey' video!" "There is no 'Whitey' video!" Keep saying it until some sanity comes back to your brain.

Posted by: dre7861 | June 7, 2008 5:46 PM

We have very long memories how Obama's campaign played the race card, and how the media pundits excoriated the Clinton's. We will be heard in November, res ipsa loquitur.

Posted by: C. A. Edwards, Esq.
****************************
Thanks for the empty threat, chuckles. The esquire doesn't make you sound anymore intelligent.

Laborare pugnare parati sumus

Posted by: Now we know why there are lawyer jokes... | June 7, 2008 5:45 PM

Dear Clinton supporters: stop behaving like 5-year olds who lost a game. This is not a game.

Obama is a good candidate, as would have been Clinton. It is your choice: Obama or war. That is the bottom line.

Posted by: Dirk | June 7, 2008 5:45 PM

Whoever writes this:
"I am a worthless piece of garbage etc etc.."

Are you having fun yet?

Posted by: JC Tennessee | June 7, 2008 5:45 PM

"Right, that's why the more educated a person is, the more likely he or she is to vote Obama. "

The educated bit argument comes from college kids support. Many others are more experienced, that's what counts. Besides Lincoln won the election, he should know why.

Posted by: JC Tennessee | June 7, 2008 5:42
PM

Lincoln wasn't more experienced. Try learning something JC.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:44 PM

A lesson for Clinton supporters still playing the game of the Seven Degrees of Barack today:
Yada, yada, Obama bad friends, yada yada. Obama, Bill Ayers, yada yada, Rev. Wright, yada yada, Rezko yada, yada, Rev. Pfleger, boo,yada,yada..
You want innuendo? Guilt by association? How about this?
On August 11, 1999, Bill Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, a violent Puerto Rican nationalist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States mostly in New York City and Chicago. I missed being killed in the late December1975 bombing at LaGuardia Airport, too bad several others at the TWA baggage claim had to wait for their bags longer than me, and didn't. This one has been pegged to FALN, a Puerto Rican extremist group, and Hillary just won Puerto Rico. Dumb cheap shot connection? You bet! I agree!
Oooh, and speaking of being connected to criminals, how about Mark Rich and his pardon? Or pardoning Linda Sue Evans and Susan Rosenberg, both Weather Underground members? Or Almon Braswell, who after giving $200K to Hillary's brother to represent him, got pardoned by brother-in-law Bill. Lots more. Hmmmmm. Got the point? Hillary has plenty of baggage too. All you do when you play this stupid game is change the subject. Move on (pun intended).
Anyway you look at it, the swiftboats are coming, the swiftboats are coming! Time for the Dems to get rolling and get this eight year disaster over with.

Posted by: Neoo1153 | June 7, 2008 5:43 PM

I am an Obama supporter but would have voted for Hillary early in the Primary season. But my opinion of Hillary sank faster than the Titanic as the season progressed until at the very end I could not stand the sight of her or bear to listen to her supporters screech. In all the media coverage the focus has been on how Hillary's supporters can unite behind Obama but very rarely is there a discussion about how maybe someday Obama supporter's can unite behind Hillary for either VP or in 2016. It was as if the assumption in the Hillary Camp was that she didn't need Obama supporters and that she was going out of her way to alienate as many as possible. I can't speak for other Obama supporters but I have to say that her speech today did a lot to bridging that chasm - and I don't use that word lightly. I too have pursued a goal and came so very tantalizingly close only to see the door close. She was very gutsy to stand up in front of her supporters and do what she did. My hat goes off to her and well as my sympathies. It is a shame that she acted more presidential today than she has acted in months.

Posted by: dre7861 | June 7, 2008 5:42 PM

"Right, that's why the more educated a person is, the more likely he or she is to vote Obama. "

The educated bit argument comes from college kids support. Many others are more experienced, that's what counts. Besides Lincoln won the election, he should know why.

Posted by: JC Tennessee | June 7, 2008 5:42 PM

Will the "Whitey" video about Michelle Obama surface now?

The Republicans were supposed to release it Wednesday, but then Clinton didn't concede Tuesday night as expected.

In my opinion, the Republicans probably were holding back because they wanted all the super-delegates to declare and they wanted Obama to be declared the "presumptive nominee" before exposing him as a fraud and discrediting the Democrats' judgment. But even though Clinton endorsed today, it might be anti-climactic to release it now because the moment of drama has passed with the days she stalled. Maybe they will wait for another "right time" of heightened drama to release the video or release it early next week.

The Whitey video supposedly has Michelle Obama sitting on a panel with Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam leader, at Trinity Church, saying "Whitey" this and "Whitey" that, criticizing white people.

It's supposed to be a "STUNNING" video of Michelle doing a racist rant, although there also theories that it's a kind of rumor or urban myth.


Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 5:40 PM

But didn't Hilliary "pimp" her husband's accomplishments to get to where she is today?

Posted by: iamasofaking | June 7, 2008 5:39 PM

You see it in living color - Huck Finn and Aspergirl are in their full idiot glory ... They are just playing outraged democrats in an internet play on behalf of McCain
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Is it outside the range of your imagination that a Democrat could support a Republican for president?

There aren't a lot Republicans I would consider voting for, John McCain and Richard Lugar are the ones that come to mind.


Posted by: HuckFinn | June 7, 2008 5:30 PM

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Whatever...I am so sure that you thought this through. After 8 years of the crap this country has gone through and continues to go through, it amazes me that you can pretend that your vote is based on reality. You were okay voting for Clinton, but now you are not with Obama even though they share the same views. Seriously? You are you f**king kidding? You are either a republican troll or someone who is "racially challenged" to put it nicely. Quit pretending, in either case.

Posted by: Tom Sawyer called - get off my coattails, a$$ | June 7, 2008 5:39 PM

Jenny:
"I wonder why the Obama supporters still insist on attacking anyone who doesn't believe in their dream. "

Abraham Lincoln said to win the election, impress the ignorant.

Posted by: JC Tennessee | June 7, 2008 5:32 PM

Right, that's why the more educated a person is, the more likely he or she is to vote Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:37 PM

I am a worthless piece of garbage that posts trash on the Internet all day because I have no life and I have no job. I am clearly jealous of a man who has accomplished so much--Barack Obama--when I am a worthless piece of unemployed trash.

I will continue to post garbage on the internet all day every day because I have no life and I have no job. All I have is an all consuming jealousy of Barack Obama because of all he has accomplished when I am a worthless piece of unemployed trash.


Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 5:29 PM
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Wait Waitk Anonymouos disguising as Aspergirl!! You forgot "All I have is pimples and I like to blog in my underwear"

Anonymous - you naughty thing. Hey - I can send you a link to Help Wanted !

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:35 PM

I think not voting for Barack because he is black or because he is a muslim is pathetic. Judge the man on his merits.

Posted by: detroitmama | June 7, 2008 5:35 PM

Dear Ignatz Kornblut, Ebonics Robinson, Teats Cillizza, and Wah Wah Post: Now that your dream has finally come to fruition, please let HRC and her family RIP. Now we'll see what Rev. Wright said so eloquently in his railing against the USA focused on your uniter, that is, "America's chickens are coming home to roost". You tar and feathered the Clinton's from day one, and are now hoping her supporters will turn our for your man Obama. Well, 5 months isn't long enough to win us over. We have very long memories how Obama's campaign played the race card, and how the media pundits excoriated the Clinton's. We will be heard in November, res ipsa loquitur.

Posted by: C. A. Edwards, Esq. | June 7, 2008 5:34 PM

Jenny:
"I wonder why the Obama supporters still insist on attacking anyone who doesn't believe in their dream. "

Abraham Lincoln said to win the election, impress the ignorant.

Posted by: JC Tennessee | June 7, 2008 5:32 PM

We need no worries about blacks damaging this country before we realize that our biggest setbacks have been largely caused by white guys who answer to the names of Nixon, Kissinger, Bush and/or Chenney and, occasionally, by OJ Simpson
The recurrent notion that our prissons are overflowing with blacks is nothing but the result of policies and actions brought about by the dominant white.

Posted by: Victor Vergra | June 7, 2008 5:32 PM

I feel that the Democratic Party in essence has "Pimped" the women of America.

The party has betrayed woman and given us a slap in the face, by taking our candidate who earned 18 million votes, and then FORCE her to give the support to Obama.

This country has showed us how much they really disrespect women. I have taken note of the party's action, and do feel the Democrat's are not worthy of my vote. The party just last week hijacked Hillary's votes and gave them to Obama. The party let Texas hijack Hillary's win by giving a second vote to take over the first vote. The party let the press attack Hillary on every account, while yet lifting up Obama every chance they had.

I really wish there can be a THIRD MAJOR PARTY raised up with a candidate people will vote. It is time to no longer be to loyal to a party who BLATANTLY SHOWS they do not care for some people until they need them!

Posted by: Cecilia | June 7, 2008 5:32 PM

Jason at 5:21:
"For months we have endured most vile of tactics (race, religion) from Hillary campaign. "

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OK there is more than a generational divide here. Are you for real? Do you have ANY idea of what the R's did to the Clintons during the 90's (not even counting the 'hummer' business!). Do you know what happened with Kerry in '04?

You honestly think race and religion played a role in this primary?

WHY? HOW? Because Bill said "Fairy tale"? and mentioned Jesse Jackson?

PLEASE explain to me how these are racist comments. I don't consider the Clintons racist. Please tell me how they became enemies of the black community so very quickly. Honestly, really, truly - please tell me how Bill's comments that Obama's anti-war speech in front of a left wing group was a " fairy tale" for his candidacy became some racial code.

Because I'm lost. I dont' think I'm the only one.

I'm honestly open to hearing your opinions . . . well, maybe not to anonymous "IDIOT" blogger . . !! : )

Posted by: Echo2 | June 7, 2008 5:31 PM

Love the Obama name callers. Straight out of fourth grade. And they say Obama is immature.

Posted by: Grow Up | June 7, 2008 5:31 PM

You see it in living color - Huck Finn and Aspergirl are in their full idiot glory ... They are just playing outraged democrats in an internet play on behalf of McCain
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Is it outside the range of your imagination that a Democrat could support a Republican for president?

There aren't a lot Republicans I would consider voting for, John McCain and Richard Lugar are the ones that come to mind.

Posted by: HuckFinn | June 7, 2008 5:30 PM

You're right noname--Socialized medicine is not a conservative value, but she has cleverly worked it closer to the Middle. go Hillary!! (I guess from in the Senate damn it:) And Hey--Thank you for posting an intelligent and helpful argument for those Hillary fans that are confused at this emotional time rather than just direspecting people and calling them nasty names like "republicans" and "pukes". McCain is pretending to be as centrist as possible on domestic issues--he will totally lie to get Clintons votes--by the way my message may have been unclear--I'm upset at Hillary's loss, but I'm not personally inclined toward McCain.

Posted by: Will Welch | June 7, 2008 5:30 PM

Hillary Clinton was truly remarkable today, making the most difficult speech of her life and finding her voice as a national leader over and above that of a politician seeking office.

http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2008/06/yes-we-can.html

Posted by: Robert Stein | June 7, 2008 5:29 PM

I appreciate your "real" posts.

Posted by: Echo2
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That is because I love reading only what fits in my myopic simple minded view of things. Aspergirl, you are my hero and I appreciate your conspiracy rants.

Btw, Elvis is alive and he wouldn't vote for Obama either...

Posted by: Echo 2.0 | June 7, 2008 5:29 PM

We must all grow up sometime. No Democrat in the White House as the next President will mean a Republican will be sitting there.
And what this country will have is at least 4 more years of Republican war mongering and lies, and our sons and daughters hauled off to battlefields in other countries - even sadly as our own borders are left wide open.
It's time to grow up, take a look around you at what our country has become under the last 8 years of Republican "lawlessness", and unite as a party to get a Democrat in the White House this November. Grow up Democrats or we will allow the Republicans who only have big business, defense contractors and oil in their hearts to to drive this country further into the swamp.
It's time to grow up, the playoffs are over and the championship game has begun and we're still in it! Together.

Posted by: Charles | June 7, 2008 5:28 PM

Who is the Boob who likes to say IDIOT!!

Posted by: | June 7, 2008 5:16 PM

Who is the perv that likes to say Boob? Gross.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:27 PM

OMG - for eight years, I thought that only the right wing Republicans were idiots. I now see that the Democrats have their own huge supply of idiots (of course, this list is also probably full of right-wingers trying to influence the vote). Hillary won't go away; Obama will either find a way for her to work with his administration, or she will be a source of influence in the Senate. Don't rule out a vice-presidency or Supreme Court position. She won't burn those bridges. McCain sure as hell won't promote her! So, a vote for McCain from a Hillary supporter is a nail in her coffin. As for Obama, I can't believe the angry vitriol for a man who is living proof of the American dream. He doesn't have any flies on him, yet many of you seem hate-filled toward him. I think you need to examine your prejudices. He is, from all appearances, a man of integrity, compassion, and common sense. Hillary supporters, follow your leader - don't just vote for Obama, work for his campaign and send him your contributions. It's the only way to empower Hillary's political influence!

Posted by: | June 7, 2008 5:08 PM

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You see it in living color - Huck Finn and Aspergirl are in their full idiot glory - of course they are not voting for any Democrats in the fall. They are just playing outraged democrats in an internet play on behalf of McCain I like to call "Desperate times call for Desperate Measures". Even "Aussie2024" is a bit player (BTW: Australia pulled out their troops out of southern Iraq a month ago The pullout is partial fulfilment of an election pledge made by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, who promised to bring Australian soldiers home this year. NICE TRY, "AUSSIE")

As a matter of tact it is so time-consuming, Aspergirl has to decide when to go back to work... :)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:25 PM

now let us see what will happen that he is running or the white house, just one thing I hope is she will stay out of it.

Posted by: stirling from gulfport,ms | June 7, 2008 5:24 PM

Bravo Hillary and bravo to people in both camps who recognize that we are in this together. To the Hillary fans who are hurt by the angry postings here and in the media elsewhere - I hear you and am sorry that there is so much vitriole being sent out. But please don't associate it with "the Obama campaign" any more than we Obama supporters would accuse Clinton's campaign of being racist because many of her "supporters" in these blogs spout racist rhetoric. Who knows how much of this vicious blogging is coming from the antiDemocrat and antidemocratic right wing? Even if a candidate has supporters who are biassed and mean, he or she can't be held accountable for that. Listen to Obama's words, look at his actions (and yes, there are many things he's done in law school, in Chicago, in the Illinois Senate, as well as the US Senate that are laudable. Shoot, just look at how he is with his family). This man will be good for women's rights, children's right, human rights, and for our hopes for peace.

Posted by: afs | June 7, 2008 5:23 PM

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Posted by: the.man_in_black | June 7, 2008 5:22 PM

And if you admire McLame, you're a poor judge of character. He's a loose cannon.
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Go screw yourself, Repuke.

Posted by: Tom3
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Tom - may I call you Tom? Not everybody sees the world in black and white like you. Those other people are called "moderates".

I don't know who Obama is, maybe he is OK. Too many of his supporters are extremist and nasty.

Posted by: HuckFinn | June 7, 2008 5:21 PM

Jenny :- I wonder why the Obama supporters still insist on attacking anyone who doesn't believe in their dream.
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For months we have endured most vile of tactics (race, religion) from Hillary campaign.

After taking all the body blows and prevailing. Hillary (till today) and some of her supporters (even now) continue to claim she somehow deserves something - implying their victory was stolen and people somehow did not know what they want or what ever their latest excuse is.

I can understand the disappointment of most of Hillary supporters (sane ones) I can put myself in their shoes and imagine what it feels like and relate to it.

For the trolls we continue badgering for VP position or keep threatening with voting for McCain why go easy on them ? We really don't need them in the party. They rightly belong with loonies in Rep party and should stay there.

Posted by: Jason | June 7, 2008 5:21 PM

People are posting things in my name, that I am not posting...

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 5:16 PM
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No worries AsperGirl. That is obvious.

Its the armchair warriors at work.

I appreciate your "real" posts.

Posted by: Echo2 | June 7, 2008 5:18 PM

HOW OBAMA "WON"

Even though Obama's past reeks with associating with shady characters, terrorist supporters, and a racist anti-American "Pastor", sexism, race, and the "Wright baggage" not being known during the first 11 primaries overrode Clinton's support of more astute people. Then the media in effect gave Obama millions of dollars worth of free advertising by mostly giving him a free pass. This because they did not want to risk being accused of playing the race card. Also Obama outspent Clinton by far on ads, and he still beat her by only 2%. Without the above Clinton would be the nominee today.

That Obama received the above support to achieve the position of democratic candidate for the Presidency does not speak well for the democrats or even for America. Too bad.

Posted by: JC Tennessee | June 7, 2008 5:18 PM

If these horrible comments here by Obama supporters is a preview of the people around Obama, I am definetely not joining Hillary (my candidate) in giving him my vote! You question her experience? All I have heard about Obama's experience is "community leader" and anyone, ANY normal person can and has done that job way before him!
Shame on you for being so disrespectful of a family who has fought all of their political lives for civil rights! Thanks to people like them, Obama has been able to make it so far!

Posted by: Mecca | June 7, 2008 5:18 PM

some of Hillary's supporters really are fairly conservative
Posted by: Will Welch | June 7, 2008 5:15 PM

Then they should learn that socialized medicine is NOT a conservative principle.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:18 PM

Who is the Boob who likes to say IDIOT!!

Reminds me of a 2 yr old.

Kind of funny on this warm June day.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:16 PM

People are posting things in my name, that I am not posting...

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 5:16 PM

Noname said:
"Why would any Hillary supporter cross over to McLame?

They wouldn't. I smell trolls.

Stinky Repuke trolls."

I think you are right, noname, about the trolls, but some of Hillary's supporters really are fairly conservative--some people posting inclinations toward McCain might not be trolls (do you think I'm one?--cause I'm not--everyone comes from somewhere different). As I suggested earlier, the Obamas need to help with reconciliation and denounce the hatemongering that goes on in their group. I mean today, I think Obama has most of Hillary's base, but that also means he can only lose them--mainly those swing voters. People on the far left need to quit bashing the Clintonites--that really does hurt them.

Posted by: Will Welch | June 7, 2008 5:15 PM

ON OBAMA BEING A MUSLIM BEFORE CONVERTING TO TRINITY CHURCH CHRISTIAN

To those Obamabots who were calling me REPUKE, here's some push-back.

Here's a quote from an article of the LA Times, where Obama's background was investigated in Indonesia after Obama's campaign falsely claimed he was never a Muslim before converting to being a Trinity Church Christian:

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"Adi said he often visited the Soetoro family at their home, a small flat-roofed bungalow at 16 Haji Ramli St. Today, he runs an Internet cafe and purified water business from the same small Jakarta house where he grew up near Obama.

"Theirs was a middle-class neighborhood, but Haji Ramli Street was a dirt lane where Obama used to while away the hours kicking a soccer ball. In the long rainy season, it turned to thick, mucky soup; Obama and his friends wore plastic bags over their shoes to walk though it, said Adi, who at 46 is the same age as Obama.

"Neighborhood Muslims worshiped in a nearby house, which has since been replaced by a larger mosque. Sometimes, when the muezzin sounded the call to prayer, Lolo and Barry would walk to the makeshift mosque together, Adi said.

"His mother often went to the church, but Barry was Muslim. He went to the mosque," Adi said. "I remember him wearing a sarong."

"In her statement, Obama's sister, who was born after the family moved to Indonesia, said: "My father saw Islam as a way to connect with the community. He never went to prayer services except for big communal events. I am absolutely certain that my father did not go to services every Friday. He was not religious."

"In 1968, Obama began first grade at St. Francis Assisi Foundation School, just around the corner from his home.

"The Catholic elementary school had opened the previous year and wanted to enroll as many students as possible, so it welcomed children of any religion, said Israella Dharmawan, 63, his first-grade teacher.

"At that time, Barry was also praying in a Catholic way, but Barry was Muslim," Dharmawan said in Obama's old classroom, where she still teaches 39 years later. "He was registered as a Muslim because his father, Lolo Soetoro, was Muslim."

"Like all pupils, Obama had to pray before and after each class, and cross himself in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, Dharmawan said.

"After St. Francis, Obama completed third and fourth grades in what is now called Model Primary School Menteng 1 in central Jakarta. Opened by Indonesia's former Dutch colonial rulers, the public school screens for the best students with writing tests and interviews. Several of its students have gone on to join Indonesia's elite.

"Bugs have eaten Obama's file in the school's archive, said Vice Principal Hardi Priyono. But two of his teachers, former Vice Principal Tine Hahiyari and third-grade teacher Effendi, said they remember clearly that at this school, too, he was registered as a Muslim, which determined what class he attended during weekly religion lessons.

"Muslim students were taught by a Muslim teacher, and Christian students were taught by a Christian teacher," said Effendi, who, like many Indonesians, uses only one name."

(http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/bal-te.obama16mar16,1,7181735,full.story)

And we all know what Trinity Church is like, right? Not your typical love-thy-neighbor, turn-the-other-cheek kind of religion that most of us think of as "Christianity".

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 5:15 PM

Posted by: AsperGirl
My guess is that you are completely unaware what Huck Finn represents in literature.
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What does Huck Finn symbolize to you, Obama Girl?

To me Huck Finn is an independent spirit.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 5:14 PM

This race is about the election of a President at a time when American desperately needs a real leader.
Posted by: aredee | June 7, 2008 3:02 PM

IDIOT!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:14 PM

Republicans, Democrats and Independents for McCain. Make sure anyone you know who has not yet registered to vote for McCain you help the register and make sure they have read the rules, updated their address and also have the correct forms of identification. We need ALL YOUR SUPPORT at the GRASS ROOTS level to beat teh DNC Insiders, Super Delegates and Media's propaganda war and highjacking of Democracy. If they stoop to the level where they do not even count the votes of Michigan and Florida in States won by Hillary, and then allocate so-called Uncommitted Votes and even some of Hillary's votes to Obama in Michigan, they have shown their TRUE COLORS and what they think of the American Constitution, the concept of one man/woman one vote and count the votes. So make sure you are registered, you address and registration is up to date, as are all your family members, Mums, Dads, Aunts, Uncles, Cousins, Nieces, Nephews, Granddads, Grandmums, ... We need all your support. Together we can defeat the DNC Insiders, Super Delegates, Carl Levin, Howard Dean, Obama, John Edwards and even not Hillary Clinton.

We need to show them that America, Democratic Principles and the American People are MORE IMPORTANT than DNC Insider party politics (which like Ross Perot, Pat Buchanen, Ralph Nader, ... and many others have all stated and shown).

John McCain, the next President, God willing and with YOUR SUPPORT. Thank you all for suporting the best candidate, John McCain, America's next President, WITH YOUR SUPPORT. We are also ASKING you all to pray for our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan and their families. To protect them and keep them safe, until President McCain and our Generals (many of who John McCain know personally, having served with them in Vietnam) can develop a good exit stategy and reconstruction plan. We did not abandon the Germans and Japanese after WWII (and they were our enemies). God forgive us if we now abandon our allies in Iraq and Afghanistan. We need a Pro Democracy President like John McCain and not a DNC party politics man like Obama. By electing a DNC party politics man like Obama we will be showing how low the USA has stooped in its Democratic Principles.

We need a Pro Democracy, one man/women one vote, Pro American man. That man is John McCain. He made not dirty deals with Howard Dean, Carl Levin, John Edwards, DNC Insiders, now Hillary and Super Delegates to steal the nomination.

John McCain, the next President of the USA (with your help and God willing!!). Thank you for supporting John McCain. Your help and prayers for the USA, our troops and John are very very much appreciated. And God Bless you and your families for your support, faith and confidence in America, Democratic Principles and John McCain.

Posted by: Ausssie2020 | June 7, 2008 5:13 PM

I've admired McCain for many years. I am totally comfortable with him as president. Allowing the Republicans to remain in power is a very painful choice, but I am even more opposed to Obamamania.

My guess is you are a very young person and know McCain only from the recent campaign mud slinging.

Posted by: HuckFinn


You guessed wrong, inbred redneck Repuke.

And if you admire McLame, you're a poor judge of character. He's a loose cannon.

And you don't think allowing the Repukes to remain in power is painful at all, you lying sack of crap. You're a Repuke and you WANT them to stay in power, keep the war going, bankrupt the treasury, and wreck the entire nation.

Go screw yourself, Repuke.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 5:12 PM

--"AsperGirl, Suggesting that Obama's race greatly benefited him while Hillary lost due solely to her gender is in fact racist or at least extremely ignorant."

I'm not saying "Obama's race greatly benefited him", I'm saying that his whole candidacy is a racial preference one. The whole point of elevating him because he could be "first black president" is a racial preference argument for his candidacy. As opposed, for example, his being qualified, experienced or having a meaningful and substantial agenda. (And no, I don't want to argue with someone who tries to tell me that he actually has got a longer resume than any other candidates. I've heard all those rationalizations and the straining at gnats and swallowing camels that they entail.)

Clinton, to her credit, didn't break down and run on a female version of an "I have a dream" candidacy. But then again, she won every debate and could talk about the issues (until everyone else fell asleep).

--" Much of what you wrote, particularly the part about Muslims, is incredibly offensive."

How is that? I only mentioned "Muslim once", when I mentioned that Obama converted from Muslim to being a Trinity Church kind of Chrisitan. FYI, there are differences between "Muslim" and "Islamist". What I said was:

"You should have run a qualified, experienced and knowledgeable black man for president, not this ivy league face man who has spent his adult life hanging out with racists and hate speech artists and who converted from being Muslim into probably the only Christian church in the U.S. who has close ties with nationally known Islamists, makes trips to the Mideast for Islamist-hugging and that posts Hamas material on its website."

I admit I was negative about Trinity Church, but have you seen some of the stuff they put in their newsletters and on the website? Rev. Wright posted the Hamas manifesto, which calls for the murder of Jews, and compared it to the American Declaration of Independence. Here's a scan of a Trinity Church newsletter, with a Hamas-supportive article reprinted in it:

(http://www.bizzyblog.com/wp-images/TUCChamasColumn072207.jpg)

You're not offended because I said something offensive about Muslims, because I didn't. You're offended because there's a code of silence about Obama being Muslim before he converted to Trinity Church Christianity. Democrats aren't supposed to talk about that, and if Republicans do, they're racists.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 5:12 PM

My guess is you are a very young person and know McCain only from the recent campaign mud slinging.

Posted by: HuckFinn | June 7, 2008 5:05 PM

My guess is that you are completely unaware what Huck Finn represents in literature.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:10 PM

OMG - for eight years, I thought that only the right wing Republicans were idiots. I now see that the Democrats have their own huge supply of idiots (of course, this list is also probably full of right-wingers trying to influence the vote). Hillary won't go away; Obama will either find a way for her to work with his administration, or she will be a source of influence in the Senate. Don't rule out a vice-presidency or Supreme Court position. She won't burn those bridges. McCain sure as hell won't promote her! So, a vote for McCain from a Hillary supporter is a nail in her coffin. As for Obama, I can't believe the angry vitriol for a man who is living proof of the American dream. He doesn't have any flies on him, yet many of you seem hate-filled toward him. I think you need to examine your prejudices. He is, from all appearances, a man of integrity, compassion, and common sense. Hillary supporters, follow your leader - don't just vote for Obama, work for his campaign and send him your contributions. It's the only way to empower Hillary's political influence!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:08 PM

I wonder why the Obama supporters still insist on attacking anyone who doesn't believe in their dream. I've decided that I won't support McCain, but neither will I support Obama. I'm going to vote for Ralph Nader. I'm hoping other women will join me in voting for a third party candidate. I'm not going to let the Democratic leadership off the hook, but I can't support a Republican president either.

Posted by: Jenny | June 7, 2008 5:06 PM

Hillary was nothing less than presidential and magnanimous in her concession speech. If Obama wants to unify the party and win the election, he knows who to select as his running mate.
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Better late than never - we will have to wait and see. Depends on whether she can deliver.

More than vice presidency - it is battle to retain their power and position within the democratic party.

Posted by: Jason | June 7, 2008 5:05 PM

Aspergirl is still a Repuke troll.

She's a member of the WaPo Gestapo Volunteer Trolls.

And her Adam's apple is bigger than Mann Coulter's...and something else too.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 5:05 PM

Posted by: AsperGirl
Why would any Hillary supporter cross over to McLame?
They wouldn't. I smell trolls.

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I've admired McCain for many years. I am totally comfortable with him as president. Allowing the Republicans to remain in power is a very painful choice, but I am even more opposed to Obamamania.

My guess is you are a very young person and know McCain only from the recent campaign mud slinging.

Posted by: HuckFinn | June 7, 2008 5:05 PM


OMG! OMG! OMG!

i don't know what to do... hillary dropped out!!

OMG! OMG! OMG!

and she took her fat ankles with her!

OMG! OMG! OMG!

and she took her red faced cheatin husband!

OMG! OMG! OMG!

and she also took the 'lights on but nobody home' daughter of hers!

OMG! OMG! OMG!

what'll i do?

what'll i do?

what'll i do?

OMG! OMG! OMG!

we're doomed!

we're doomed!

we're doomed!

OMG! OMG! OMG!

who are the imaginary snipers going to fire at now?

OMG! OMG! OMG!

who's going to make up the fictitious down on their luck nurses at the diners coast to coast?

OMG! OMG! OMG!

who's going to CRY in front of the cameras because she lost a primary in iowa?

OMG! OMG! OMG!

who's going to bring up racism.. and religion.. and false patriotism.. in their negative campaigning against the opponent who vowed and kept his word to not stoop to that level?

OMG! OMG! OMG!

we lost hillaroo.. hillen.. hillsoro..

what was her name again?

you know... ole fat ankles herself?

i can't remember.

oh well... no real loss.

i'm going to go make a sandwich now..

have a nice day!

:)

Posted by: BOB | June 7, 2008 5:04 PM

My admiration for Hillary Clinton grew a hundred fold during this campaign.

My admiration for the left wing of the Democratic Party? Not so much.

Posted by: HuckFinn | June 7, 2008 4:55 PM
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Ditto

Posted by: Echo2 | June 7, 2008 5:01 PM

This IDIOT missed the racist connotations of your comment, Huck.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 5:04 PM

No real Hillary supporter would EVER cross over to McLame.

And we can't check your old posts because you don't have a nickname, moron.

You're a LIAR. You're a Repuke who never supported Hillary, except maybe to dishonestly cross over in the primary to vote for her against Obama because you do anything Junkie Rush tells you to do.

Go back to your trailer, Repuke.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 5:02 PM

Aussie2020

Surely you have to a visiting Iraqi or Afghan.

I can not imagine a sane American advocating all the expenditure in blood and money while the citizenry at home is hurting as bad as it is right now.

Posted by: Jason | June 7, 2008 5:01 PM

Hillary was nothing less than presidential and magnanimous in her concession speech. If Obama wants to unify the party and win the election, he knows who to select as his running mate.

Posted by: zephyr99 | June 7, 2008 5:01 PM

My admiration for Hillary Clinton grew a hundred fold during this campaign.

My admiration for the left wing of the Democratic Party? Not so much.

Posted by: HuckFinn | June 7, 2008 4:55 PM
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Ditto

Posted by: Echo2 | June 7, 2008 5:01 PM

An Obama supporter was bragging earlier today that Clinton was shown some documentation and told how her senate seat would be taken away from her and how the party wouldn't let her win a credentials committee challenge. She's more or less being threatened and blackmailed into this speech and into throwing her voters over to Obama.

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Oh, aspergirl: you do grasp at straws, doncha? Believe any sh*t someone posts to justify your twisted narrative about Obama?

Have any exiled nigerian royalty emailed you about storing their money in your account? - psst, don't do it.

Posted by: Aspergirl, Investigative Reporter... | June 7, 2008 5:00 PM

Aussie 2020 thinks McLame will get us out of IraQ!! LOL!! What a moron.

McLame has already stated for the record that he would keep us in Iraq for 100 years.

That's not getting out.

No go back to Oz and quit meddling in other countries' elections, you moron.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 5:00 PM


Hillary just doesn't get it and neither do her stooges...the voters weren't turned off at the idea of a woman president..they just do not, and will never want her....

Her only claim to any political life at all, including her Senate carpetbagged seat, is Bill Clinton.

Hillary Rodham would be a political non-entity. I can't believe the fem nazis consider her a heroine...she is just the wife of a famous man.

Who was Golda Mier's husband, Margaret Thatcher, Indura Ghandi??

Hillary is a hanger-on not a leader. Run someone real ladies and you probably will win.

Posted by: uffdaron | June 7, 2008 5:00 PM

Why would any Hillary supporter cross over to McLame?

They wouldn't. I smell trolls.

Stinky Repuke trolls.

Posted by: | June 7, 2008 4:53 PM
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I have posted my personal reasons many times. However, the "OH MY GOD! A NEW POST!" mentality reigns and whatever was posted 30 seconds ago no longer matters as all move on to the newest Trail post.

OH MY GOD! I HAVE MY REAONS! GO LOOK FOR THEM! OR DON'T!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:59 PM

How will the conservatards handle this: President Barack HUSSEIN Obama?

So sorry, but Ho Chi Minh's Manchurian candidate will lose. He can go back to fathering black children. And sucking up to lobbyists. Is Charles Keating still around?

Posted by: Garak | June 7, 2008 4:58 PM

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Posted by: BOB | June 7, 2008 4:51 PM

Don't quit your day job. You are not funny, and you have demonstrated your total lack of immaturity.

Do your candidate a favor; tell people you are supporting someone else!

Posted by: Not Funny! | June 7, 2008 4:58 PM

"The party that makes major concessions to women rights and needs will get our vote. McCain 2008 send a message."

And the message is: Overturn Roe V. Wade. No equal rights or equal pay for women. No funding for families who need help.

Any woman who votes Repuke is an idiot. So is any man who votes Repuke.

The Repukes do NOT care about you or me. They only care about rich people and big business, and they have PROVEN this in the last 8 years.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 4:56 PM

My admiration for Hillary Clinton grew a hundred fold during this campaign.

My admiration for the left wing of the Democratic Party? Not so much.

Posted by: HuckFinn | June 7, 2008 4:55 PM

I don't know where you think I'm going. I'm not going to stop posting here until I decide to go back to work.

Posted by: AsperGirl
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Quick! Someone hire this poor thing!

Decide to go back to work? LOL!

Posted by: Wanted: GOP campaign looking for someone experienced in backdrops for major speeches. | June 7, 2008 4:55 PM

the cliff notes version of clintons speech

"the thrill of victory the agony of defeat"

my apologys to jim mckays family R.I.P.

Posted by: DAGMAR THE UTTERLY DESPICABLE | June 7, 2008 4:55 PM

For everyone who feels Hillary has now abandoned America and Democratic policies by joining up with the DNC Insiders, Super Delegates, Carl Levin, Howard Dean, John Edwards and Obama, who highjacked Democracy and the American People's and State rights to choose the date of their primaries and their candidates, then either Stay Home or Vote for McCain. It is the only way to Teach Carl Levin, Howard Dean, John Edwards, Obama, now Hillary who has joined them, the DNC Insiders and the Super Delegatess that the USC is for the PEOPLE (AMERICANS) and by the People, and NOT FOR THE DNC INSIDERS by the DNC INSIDERS. They have all made a mockery of Dmocratic principles. They are blind being led by the blind.

For everyone who is not Blink, vote for McCain. Democrats for McCain. We are American first and Democrat, Republican, Independent, Green, ... second. It is clear to the whole world who the better candidate is, who is more experienced and more qualified and is the only one of the two to have served his Country in the Armed Forces. What better man to lead us out of both Iraq and Afghansitan then a decorated War Veteran who has experienced war and also our pull out from Vietnam.

There is noone better equipped to develop an end game, pull out and reconconstruction of both Iraq and Afghanistan the John McCain. Certainly not Obama. The DNC Insiders and Super Delegates have denied the American People the chance to choose the DNC Insiders candidate. They can have Obama. I for one am now 100 percent commited to the best candidate we have for the USA President, the highly decorated War Veteran John McCain.

John McCain, the next President of the USA. With your help and with the Grace of God. God Bless the USA and bless and direct John McCain as he prepares himself to be the next President of the USA and to develop a game plan to pull our troops out of both Iraq and Afghanistan and to help rebuild both Iraq and Afghanistan so they are as successful and friendly to us as Germany and Japan. John McCain is the Man for the Job. If you agree, then vote for John McCain and tell all your friends and relatives to look at the CVs/resumes of the two Candidates. One, John McCain, is light years more qualified to be our next President. One is all bells and whistles, and one is SUBSTANCE. Being a veteran and a prisoner of war gives you a prespective you cannot get by being an arm chair quarterback like Obama and Bush. Bush and Obama have never served. If people think Bush did a bad job due to his lack of military experience (he was a National Guardsman), just imagine how bad Obama would be with ABSOLUTELY no military training and experience. Disaster. Worse then the Titanic.

John McCain for President. The American People's and Veterans of Foreign Wars' Choice!!

Posted by: Aussie2020 | June 7, 2008 4:54 PM

I'm an Obama supporter, but I thought Hillary gave a nice speech today. What her supporters do is a different story, but this is the first step in doing her part.

Posted by: Alexis | June 7, 2008 4:54 PM


__________________________
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Remember the

Mid-Term Election

This time we're

going to Slaughter

YOU!

No Mercy!

_____________
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_______________________________


MUAHAHAHAHAHA~!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Note to Conservative Nutbags ~ Get a hobbie, this one is finished.

Posted by: the.man_in_black | June 7, 2008 4:54 PM

I don't know about you, but I am sick and tired of Repukes weighing in on the Democratic race.

Particularly fat butthole junkies like Rush Limbaugh and his ballot box stuffing campaign. He needs to go back to his 15 year old Dominican tranny boys.

The Democratic race is NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS you Repuke idiots.

Go away and let the adults talk now.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 4:10 PM
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ummmm. . . I thought Obama's strength was bringing the "Repukes" into the party?

What are you all about?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:53 PM

An Obama supporter was bragging earlier today that Clinton was shown some documentation and told how her senate seat would be taken away from her and how the party wouldn't let her win a credentials committee challenge. She's more or less being threatened and blackmailed into this speech and into throwing her voters over to Obama.

As soon as it becomes clear that her supporters will do as she asks and support Obama, if that happens, it's back to dumping on her and retaliating against her.

If the Clinton base starts moving toward Obama, then they won't need to be nice to her anymore. They may not even keep their promise and make her lose her senate seat to retaliate against her for finishing the primaries and making Obama look like a loser and exposing his weaknesses to Republicans.

I'm not saying to oppose Obama because it will help Clinton. She's clearly already crippled and her campaign is over. But her words aren't as voluntary as people might think. There's a whole lot of anger and retaliation waiting for her in the wings once they don't need her anymore.

As a final note, Donna Brazile and other Democratic Party insiders had already dismissed Clinton's women and blue collar white voters, saying that Obama has enough new voters and higher mobilization of black people to make the other two demographics unnecessary to the Democrats anymore. They were ready to trade away downscale and women whites for heightened black voter turnout and college kids. They're just backpedaling because recent polling has shown otherwise.

They don't really want the downscale whites or older white women anymore. They just have to hold onto those two demographics for at least one more election. And they expect Clinton to deliver those votes if she wants to keep her senate seat.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 4:53 PM

Why would any Hillary supporter cross over to McLame?

They wouldn't. I smell trolls.

Stinky Repuke trolls.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:53 PM

AsperGirl,

Suggesting that Obama's race greatly benefited him while Hillary lost due solely to her gender is in fact racist or at least extremely ignorant. Much of what you wrote, particularly the part about Muslims, is incredibly offensive.

-------------------------

Steve,

Are you arguing that the horrific policies advocated by McCain are not a legitimate reason to vote for Obama?

Posted by: JB | June 7, 2008 4:51 PM

It is time for women to abandon the Democratic Party, and its entrenched old boy network. The only way children, education, and the environment will get center stage is if we force a change. The party that makes major concessions to women rights and needs will get our vote. McCain 2008 send a message.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:51 PM

We did our best, SV, but it really isn't over yet - who knows, some time Obama could still self-implode. gw.


Posted by: Iowatreasures
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Gosh, let's hope so...after all, you still planning on stopping him at any cost?

Posted by: iowapleasuresitself | June 7, 2008 4:51 PM


I present to you;

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"I TOLD YOU TO QUIT CALLING!"

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"DON'T YOU HONEY ME YOU B*STARD! HOW DARE YOU!"

*click*

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"bill? didn't i make myself clear?"

"well yea.. b-b-but.."

"go to hell! chelsea is staying with me!"

"but.. it wasn't my fault.. she was already naked.."

"you pig!"

[and then again.. this time, it's LINE 2]

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ring! ring! ring!

"HELLO!"

"this is your vice president. we are under attack."

"WHO THE HELL CARES!!!! I AM TALKING TO MY CHEATING HUSBAND! DO YOU MIND?!?!?"

"i'm sorry."

"DAMN STRAIGHT! I'LL HAVE YOU FIRED YOU LITTLE TWERP!"

"sorry."

*click*

[9m 18sec later]

B*O*O*M

B*O*O*M B*O*O*M B*O*O*M

B*O*O*M

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Posted by: BOB | June 7, 2008 4:51 PM

Sorry, Hillary - I supported you to the fullest but can't find it in my heart to vote for someone like Obama who
attends(ed) a church that preaches such hatred. Anyway, a Dem Congress and a Rep WH is a much better balance for this country.

Posted by: McCainCrossover
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And another thing, Hillary. I know that you thought I was an intelligent supporter, but as you can see, I am not. Sorry about being a pinhead making up something to justify why I cannot vote for the scary black man.

Posted by: McCainCrossover to the dark side of stupid | June 7, 2008 4:49 PM

Clinton said that her own journey would make it easier for other women in the future.

Her journey was dependent on her guide bill Clinton. She never has a job or held an office that he didn't have his influence in securing for her. from her stint at the U of AR to the Senate it was all because she married to achieve her goals unlike the next woman who will have the resume to run for the presidency. She has been all about it is who you know not what.

Posted by: josh camp | June 7, 2008 4:47 PM

am a confused racist. I never finished high school. I am a high school drop out.

I work at Burger King. I use a deep fryer, but sometimes I need help...it is very difficult.

Posted by: svreader | June 7, 2008 4:33 PM
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Hello, SV. I don't know about you, but I haven't cried in years. But, I did cry when Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea left the stage after her "farewell address."

It was very poignant to see the nicest political couple in the world leaving that stage.

We did our best, SV, but it really isn't over yet - who knows, some time Obama could still self-implode. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | June 7, 2008 4:46 PM

Clinton has always polled stronger against McCain in tough swing states than Obama has against McCain. Clinton was elected in key states like California and Pennsylvania, whereas Obama won paper victories in states like Wyoming where no Democrat has a chance. Come November when McCain is elected, I think Democrats will realize what a mistake it was backing Obama and not Clinton.

Posted by: Roger
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Well, lookahere, Roger dun got him a time machine and figgered all out. Well, hush my grits, Roger, thank yee and you won a "McCain '08: A leader who a sucker - I mean - Roger believes in"

Posted by: If Roger says it enough times, he might stop from crying... | June 7, 2008 4:46 PM

*Ouch* @ comments.

It's obviously going to take more than one speech to bring people driven this far apart together again.

It was a good start though. I'm hopeful.

Posted by: Brix | June 7, 2008 4:46 PM

I don't know why McLame is polling as high as he is right now.

The Democrats need to stick him to Chimpy with gorilla glue.

Start running that Huggy Bear photo of McLame hugging Chimpy.

McLame should be polling down where Chimpy is, since he is Chimpy II

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 4:45 PM

Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of Obama/Clinton supporters get really insulted by the things dumb commenters say?

Rude commenters are just dumb. Don't llisten to them, and don't think they represent the whole group.

Visit the candidates websites instead and vote on the issues.

Posted by: Russ S. | June 7, 2008 4:45 PM

Finally. At long last.

A couple of things feminists need to understand for a whole lot of us who did not vote for her. This is why I did not vote for her.

1. Hillary stands as a dynastic candidate than feminist candidate.

2. With all the drama that goes with them as a couple - I really doubt if they can get anything done in Washington. Not after the Reps do a number on them - the undisclosed donors to the library. The clients that resulted in their personal fortunes crossing 100 million. Not to mention the anything coming from the roving eye of Bill Clinton.

3. The way she ran her campaign. With Bush - his campaign style was his governing style and we all have seen the result of it. Why would it be any different with Hillary ? What else is there to judge her (or Obama for that matter) ?

I am going with Obama because McCain will be living hell. The guy seems to desperate for his own war. How many more have to die to placate egos in republican party ? What the hell does he stand for now ? With all the vacillating he seems to be on a day to day basic.

I am however very dishearten by Obama's speech to AIPAC. Please can we for once get a president that puts America first instead of Israel.

Posted by: Jason | June 7, 2008 4:44 PM

Sorry, Hillary - I supported you to the fullest but can't find it in my heart to vote for someone like Obama who
attends(ed) a church that preaches such hatred. Anyway, a Dem Congress and a Rep WH is a much better balance for this country.

Posted by: McCainCrossover | June 7, 2008 4:43 PM

Sherry Kay 4:40 pm

How's the weather on the lunatic fringe?

Posted by: godblessusa | June 7, 2008 4:43 PM

HOW IS THIS ENDING? She gets to retain her delegates to the nominating convention this summer and she can continue to raise money. It also means she could reopen her campaign if circumstances change before the Denver convention, but gave no indication that was her intention.

And the people who were so offended at comparing her with the Glenn Close character in fatal attraction? This is not conceding or giving up, this is a détente or the
relaxation of strained relations or tensions. Just one more parsing by the convoluted Clintons. I don't trust her she is too obsessed with being the first woman president.

Posted by: james | June 7, 2008 4:43 PM

Watching all these feminists Hillary ex-supporters turn into quasi-Ann Coulters overnight saddens me while also providing certain level of comic relief.

Posted by: MIghty7 | June 7, 2008 4:43 PM

_______________________________
__________________________
___________________
_____________


Remember the

Mid-Term Election

This time we're

going to Slaughter

YOU!

No Mercy!

_____________
___________________
__________________________
_______________________________


MUAHAHAHAHAHA~!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Note to Conservative Nutbags ~ Get a hobbie, this one is finished.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:42 PM

Clinton has always polled stronger against McCain in tough swing states than Obama has against McCain. Clinton was elected in key states like California and Pennsylvania, whereas Obama won paper victories in states like Wyoming where no Democrat has a chance. Come November when McCain is elected, I think Democrats will realize what a mistake it was backing Obama and not Clinton.

Posted by: Roger | June 7, 2008 4:42 PM

This is very dissapointing for alot of Hillary's supporters and while I'm sure most of us aren't actually going to support McCain, it is also hard to get past the intense hate tactics that the Obama camp has used toward us. We heared from our Hillary what she thinks we should do and I imagine most of her supporters find her support for Obama respectful and important, but I personally also want to hear from the Obama campaign and Obama himself a recognition and repudiation of of the disprespect towards women, white people and yes also gay people that his fervent supporters were and still are so quick to engage in, not to mention the overwhelming disrepect towards people with working class values that a large number of his many more privelaged supporters seem to find so clever. If he doesn't personally address those issues within his own camp, the republican campaign will and the unfortunate consequence (honest voters misdirected toward McCain) will be as much his fault as anyones.

Posted by: Will Welch | June 7, 2008 4:42 PM

As an Obama supporter I have to say that that was one of the most courageous speeches I've ever heard. I know it must be so difficult in front of all her supporters. But she put duty and loyalty to party and country over any personal ambitions and gave a wonderful speech. Congratulations Senator Clinton on a hard-fought campaign that only made Barack Obama stronger!

Posted by: Elrod | June 7, 2008 4:42 PM

"Aspergirl, the GOP websites, McCain campaign and right-wing websites await you."

If I join "Women for McCain", what makes you think that I'd stop posting here? Being a Clinton supporter already made me a target for harassment and verbal abuse here, just there has been harassment, bullying and hate speech against women on other blogs. Do you really think that I'd stop posting here if I signed up with the Republicans?

Do you think I'm afraid of your "REPUKE" or "REPUG TROLL" labels?

The problem with black-on-white hate speech as a form of cultural expression in the black community is that you become overinvested in your belief of the power of the words. The verbal abuse and hate speech is troubling, but I don't really care what you say to me. I have no sense that if I sign up with "Women for McCain" that I have to go away and shut up.

You can call me "REPUKE TROLL" if you want. All you do is prove to the world just how divisive and partisan the Obama movement really is and how his leadership is based on phony promises.

Look, Obama's candidacy is a racial preference one. According to the Democrats, he's entitled to be raised to high office because he's black and articulate and got a Harvard Law degree. That's not really enough qualification for President, even with Pelosi and Reid running the country behind-the-scenes with a Democrat controlled Congress.

I frankly don't think you're going to succeed in pushing this faux presidential candidate, which is a big media production of false marketing and media hype, past the electorate. I frankly don't think Obama is electable as a vote-for-first-black-president candidate.

You should have run a qualified, experienced and knowledgeable black man for president, not this ivy league face man who has spent his adult life hanging out with racists and hate speech artists and who converted from being Muslim into probably the only Christian church in the U.S. who has close ties with nationally known Islamists, makes trips to the Mideast for Islamist-hugging and that posts Hamas material on its website.

I seriously doubt this propaganda-based, false marketing media hype campaign of Obama is going to get past the general public. The only reason he edged out Clinton was his solid black support. That doesn't translate well to the general election because that vote is diluted by the rest of America.

I don't know where you think I'm going. I'm not going to stop posting here until I decide to go back to work.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 4:40 PM

Watching Clinton endorsing Obama today, I felt ashamed for Obama, his supporters and media for crazily pushing her out of the race

Posted by: MM | June 7, 2008 4:33 PM

Right. How dare she not be allowed to have a victory party AFTER SHE LOST THE NOMINATION and then not concede until FOUR DAYS LATER after she was PUSHED OUT OF THE RACE BY HER SUPPORTERS IN THE NEW YORK DELEGATION.

She should have been able to go on forever having her staffers introduce her as the 'next president of the United States'AFTER SHE LOST THE NOMINATION.

I mean really, people putting reality over Hillary's fantasyland just makes me ashamed.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:40 PM

Oh God how pathetic so-called "Fighter"
and liar Sell Out Hillary Clinton turns out
to be in the end. So all those,who gave any
money to Hillary Clinton's Campaign should
now demand a Refund and not give one red cent to Elitist Liberal Phony Empty Suit
Fraud Barack Hussein Obama or to the crooked and totally corrupt Democratic party of Mad Madame Nutty Nancy Pelosi and
Howard Dean as well. And so I hope they do
like I plan on doing myself give donations
to Senator John McCain instead. And be sure
to vote for McCain instead of that Dirty
Gutter Style Chicago Politics Thug Obama.
And which is what I plan on doing now that
Hillary Clinton Sold Us Out! And I also will not vote for a single Democrat on the
ballot and I urge other Independents to do
so too! We cannot afford a lying,black racist,inexperienced,arrogant,smirking Black Version Cocaine Snorting Democrat
Version of Cocaine Addict and Alcoholic
George W Bush,named Barack Hussein Obama
in the White House and I damn sure donot
want Obama's bitter hostile racist wife
Michelle Obama as First Lady to be a constant embarassment to the US either now
then. So Just Vote No On Obama! NO WAY Will
Obama Be President. Hillary Clinton Your
The Biggest Disappointment Yet Of All You
Phony Sell Out Liar. I bet Obama throws his
new pal Hillary Clinton under the bus faster then he did Rev Wright,and his church and Now Convicted Felon Chicago crook,former Obama Fund Raiser,Slumlord
Tony Rezko. I hope this creep Rezko has
his life insurance all paid up,before Obama
and the DNC have him whacked like others
once they were becoming an embarassment.
So there is your "Change We Can Believe In"
of Obama's hard at work for all of you
toxic Kool Aid Drinker Obamafools.

Posted by: Sherry Kay | June 7, 2008 4:40 PM

I eat buggers.

Posted by: svreader | June 7, 2008 4:38 PM

Rather than giving a person a compelling reason to vote for Obama, his supporters are using fear tactics like war with the Iran or the reversal of Roe Vs. Wade.

I thought Obama stood for change. These tactics sound like they have been taken from the Republican rules book of shady campaigning!


Posted by: Steve Sanchez | June 7, 2008 4:38 PM

"I endorse (Obama) and throw my full support behind him ... I have seen his strength and determination, his grace and his grit."

Hillary gave a gracious speech. Unfortunately, all summer long, we're going to see Hillary campaigning AGAINST Obama, in the form of Republican ads that play video of her saying he's unfit to be President, and that McCain is a better choice.

"Sen McCain will bring decades of experience to the job. Sen Obama will bring a speech he made in 2002."
Hillary Clinton

This quote is forming the centrepiece of a Republican ad RIGHT NOW. I know Hillary would love to take these comments back, but it's too late.

This is why people begged Hillary to stay within the limits of acceptable primary campaigning. People warned her this was a red line she must not cross. Now what?

People will watch her on the news, saying Obama's a better choice than McCain, then they'll watch her in the ad breaks, saying McCain's a better choice than Obama.

Obama's candidacy suffers, Hillary's credibility suffers, only McCain wins.

How can she possibly be Veep when the GOP has all this video of her saying her running mate's not qualified?
If only she had campaigned cleanly.

If Hillary had won this nomination, the Republicans would not have been able to find ONE SINGLE CLIP in which Obama questioned her fitness to be president. Not one.

Posted by: Bud0 | June 7, 2008 4:38 PM

I'm with the VA_Lady 2008! I could never vote for Obama! He reminds me too much of all those just out of business school, good-lookin', preppy upstarts who got all the promotions so they could skip up the corporate ladder, while more educated and qualified women were left below, accepting their placeholder on the first or second rung! We were told by our managers and supervisors: 'just be patient, your turn is coming -- we promise!' Well, guess what, after 12 productive years in news journalism; 16 successful years in corporate public relations; and 10 years in government public service, I retired! Could have worked longer under the glass ceiling -- but WHY? Here's to Hillary and to all the women in their 60's who know exactly what we're talking about! So, good luck Senator Obama with all 'us women' out there -- your ladder may not be as high as you think!

Posted by: mpwynn@spro.net | June 7, 2008 4:37 PM

_______________________________
__________________________
___________________
_____________


Remember the

Mid-Term Election

This time we're

going to Slaughter

YOU!

No Mercy!

_____________
___________________
__________________________
_______________________________


MUAHAHAHAHAHA~!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:36 PM

Keep in mind right wing trolls are still on here posing as Democrats. It is in Rush's rule book for 'Operation Chaos'.

So when you hear an Obama supporter bashing Clinton or the reverse, keep that in mind.

Also remmeber that polls show that 80-85% of Democrats already support their nominee against McSame, and a similar number would have voted for Clinton.

Posted by: Dems in 2008 | June 7, 2008 4:35 PM

I find it amazing how many times throughout the democratic primary she mention she was a 'woman' and how this is historic. And the media and America don't call her on this, She used the GENDER card like it was going out of business. I didn't BUY it! Barack Obami unfortunately did not have that luxury of clouting his 'historic blackness'. Just goes to show that gender is far less threatening to Americans than RACE. Even if he's a non threatening spineless say anything to get elected black male.
Not a fan of either Hills or Obama, both are phonies. McCain is NOT an option for me!
I just don't know what I am going to do, and I am not alone in my disappointment with Barack's LACK of SPINE.

Posted by: Tennessee | June 7, 2008 4:35 PM

Watching Clinton endorsing Obama today, I felt ashamed for Obama, his supporters and media for crazily pushing her out of the race

Posted by: MM | June 7, 2008 4:33 PM

I am a confused racist. I never finished high school. I am a high school drop out.

I work at Burger King. I use a deep fryer, but sometimes I need help...it is very difficult.

Posted by: svreader | June 7, 2008 4:33 PM

Hillary Clinton is a class act and will make a brilliant commander in chief some day. I am bitter that Obama took America's only chance away to have one of the greatest presidents in history with Hillary Clinton. Many of you were not privy to the intelligent and sane journalists, not the TV hacks, covering this race. They all said Hillary was ready to step in the first day in the Oval Office. They said Obama is an empty suit.

Howard Dean and Democratic Party did a number on Hillary. Dean hates the Clintons and Obama went behind the scenes and plotted with Dean, whose campaign manager was Obamas.

Thus, I certainly will not vote for Obama in November if Hillary is not on the ticket. If then, I might pass on Obama and wait for four years when Hillary will be the one!

Posted by: Political Watchdog | June 7, 2008 4:32 PM

Hillary was our greatest chance for change in womens rights I am pissed.On the other hand she fought a very nasty campaign and with her comments about Obama being an empty suit ruined Obama to alot of democrats. Women bashing men for power is selfish and with it she may have destroyed the party's chances in the fall. With my nose pinched I will vote for Obama because I just can't go through 8 more years of all I have. There is so much to gain and so much more to lose if we vote republican. I will support Obama but I do it for my values and beliefs not for him.

Posted by: LISA | June 7, 2008 4:31 PM

If you want two right wing Scalia clones in the Supreme Court---VOTE MCCAIN

If you want to spend four more years with a Bush style economic policy that produces nothing---VOTE MCCAIN

If you want a President who promises to spend his entire term trying to go to war with Iran---VOTE MCCAIN

Posted by: Dems in 2008 | June 7, 2008 4:31 PM

Lets see. Aspergirl Iowatreasures and svreader rose in opposition to the candidacy of Obama and fed us daily humor in the guise of misinformation and lengthy rants. They spent so much time cutting and pasting and regurgitating the same drivel over the last 5 months that the primaries and caucuses passed them by and Senator Obama won.

Now they will be doing the same good work for McCain or someone else. I pity the candidate they say they'll support.

Posted by: Be Gone! | June 7, 2008 4:30 PM

Amazing. Why in the world do Obama supporters continue to bash Hilary? Bad strategy. Too bad they do not possess an ounce (or less) of the grace, humility, and courage,that Hillary does. I still am not moved to swing for Obama. I support Hillary, not because she is a woman, but because of the woman that she is.

Posted by: radthinker4Hillary | June 7, 2008 3:14 PM *****************************************

Don't be so sure they are Obama supporters. The rightwing has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they are capable of and willing to use any and all techniques to win elections. There are more than a few Republican trolls out there pretending to be both Clinton and Obama supporters to sow discord and hatred, which is, of course, their calling card. Operation chaos has many aspects.

I have always said I would vote for the Democratic candidate, whoever got the nomination. That stands.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:29 PM

Anytime someone resorts to name calling, I immediately dismiss what they say to a lack of maturity.

The latest CNN poll shows a 3% difference between John McCain and Barrack Obama.

The race for the White House will be close this year.

It will take more than name calling to win the election this year!

Posted by: Steve Sanchez | June 7, 2008 4:27 PM

"A new agenda with a new democratic party needs to emerge. It does not include Obama or his motivational platform."

Shut up, Repuke. Nobody cares what you think about the Democratic party.

Go back to your trailer and screw your sister. Your party needs a new generation of inbred rednecks to vote for them.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:27 PM

So the six, ultimately meaningless delegates the Rules Committee "hijacked" from Hillary are worth maintaining Bush's tax cuts which seriously harm the middle class?

The fact that, overall, the nation is biased against women (in addition to blacks, Mexicans, the gay community, etc.) is a legitimate reason to help perpetuate massive violence and death in Iraq?

Because flaws may exist in the voting procedures used by the Democrats, it's no longer important to fight for universal health care?

To me, politics is first and foremost about improving peoples' lives. I wish more people felt that way.

Posted by: JB | June 7, 2008 4:26 PM

Hang Bush & Company en masse

Posted by: Mustaqim | June 7, 2008 4:25 PM

I am an Obama supporter

Maybe he should just wander off and die. Or would that be too "arrogant?"

Posted by: godblessusa | June 7, 2008 4:22 PM

Right, NOT SO MUCH...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:25 PM

ragindemo - do you think you will fix the problems you cite here by not voting in November? Taking your dissatisfaction with the DNC out on Sen. Obama and the country seems counterproductive.

EGGArgost - you are mistaken or have not been paying attention. Obama has definitely stated over and over that he does not agree with the statements of Rev. Wright and Fr. Pfleger

Posted by: ilima1 | June 7, 2008 4:23 PM

I am an Obama supporter who feels that Hillary delivered a beautiful, heartfelt speech. Unlike some Obama bloggers, I have the utmost respect and affection for Hillary supporters, and look forward to working together in common cause this Fall.

While I deplore and condemn the disrespect shown by some Obama bloggers, I remain perplexed that, no matter what Obama says or does, for some Hillary supporters he is ALWAYS AND FOREVER, "vile and hateful." If he issued a statement saying, "I hereby give the nomination to Hillary and I recognize that she is superior to me in every way," the blogosphere would be filled with HRC supporters saying, "I can't believe the vile and hateful way he ceded the nomination to her. What arrogance!"

Maybe he should just wander off and die. Or would that be too "arrogant?"

Posted by: godblessusa | June 7, 2008 4:22 PM

II have lost some good friends because of this 'so called democratic party' that cheated woman and in the caucases. So OUT with Dean, Reid, Donna Brazile, Rockefeller, Pelosi, Durbin, etc. Too weak-and the rest who never brought bush/ cheney up on charges even as he is about to invade Iran while oil, gas and food go through the roof and our S.Security check was hurt with a 2.3 % increase. In with Rahm Emmanuel and his kind. In Nov. here in Il. I plan to vote mostly Green and Nader in fall. Let Stroger, Obambi, Emil Jones, Blogovich and Both Madigans all rot in jail with Ryan, Olgalvie and Walker. Go Fitzpatrick!

Posted by: Greg | June 7, 2008 4:22 PM

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:21 PM

EGGAroast is a moron.

Florida was not the Democrats fault.

The REPUKE legislature moved up the primary date and the REPUKE governor signed it into law.

Then, that butthole Crist had the nerve to bash the Dems with "let every vote count"...after he signed into law the early primary that violated the rules and cancelled those votes.

And where was Crist in 2000? Was he demanding that every vote in Florida count then? Hypocrite.

EGGAmuffin is a moron. He's one of those Repuke trolls who comes in here and LIES about being an ex-Dem. I call bullcrap.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 4:21 PM

Anyone who votes for McCain or chooses not to vote because they backed Hillary and are disappointed she didn't win is worse than the people who voted for Nader in 2000.

Watch "Recount" if you are too young to remember the election Bush stole. This one cannot be close, people!!!!!!!

Posted by: don''t be stupid | June 7, 2008 4:21 PM

The democratic agenda is not for now. Obama is not the man for president regardless of Hillary's endorsement.

A new agenda with a new democratic party needs to emerge. It does not include Obama or his motivational platform. Real americans are facing real problems and need true experience. He does not have that and this is no time to shoot the dice on a president.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:21 PM

It was an excellent speech and a stronger Clinton. She did right in prevailing, not so much right in shedding "feminine tears" back then - better showing that she is a force, and a force to be counted on. I wish she had shown this side of herself more often and not felt she had to react to stupidities like Obama's finger.

Posted by: asoders22 | June 7, 2008 4:20 PM

I always felt that people who write on a message board like this where you can create a new name every time you post gives one a false impression of what people are saying. I suspect about a half a dozen people are writing continuously under different names trying to agitate other people.

How do you knows how many times I've written on this topic and under what names.

Posted by: Alias etc. | June 7, 2008 4:16 PM

By endorsing Obama and campaigning for him, Hillary will be one of the major leader in the democratic party for years to come.

Posted by: Logan-6 | June 7, 2008 4:07 PM


Yeh, just another of her strategies...PLEASE REMEMBER THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE CLINTONS FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND ALL THE MEANNESS ABOUT IT...THAT WAS THE REAL THING.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:15 PM

The speech was drenched in female supremacist ideology- judging by the number of times she mentioned the word "woman"/"women". Why do women insist on crashing their way into places they are not welcome? I wonder hoe many of her rabid supporters have some undocumented/exploited immigrant taking care of the children while they try to claw their way into predominantly male domains!

Posted by: BLAH BLAH BLAH | June 7, 2008 4:13 PM

As an Obama supporter, I thought that Hillary Clinton gave a powerful and compelling speech, which will help Obama win the White House. Were there some sexist attitudes against the HRC campaign? Probably, but Obama had and will continue to face some racist attitudes as well. Both Obama and Hillary are first in the field. I now hope that both Hillary and Obama supporters will cool off over the forthcoming weeks and will join to do battle with McCain. It is not useful for the Obama campaign if his supporters show less than respect for Hillary Clinton who will play a major role in getting Obama elected in November.

Posted by: Michel | June 7, 2008 4:12 PM

nameless one: I didn't take issue with your use of "pronoun" when in fact I was talking about your use of a noun, "woman". Now you don't even understand basic English - are you in fact one of the famed Kentucky/WV knuckledraggers ? Wow, I always wanted to meet one.

Posted by: aredee | June 7, 2008 4:11 PM

The republicans must begin to be very afraid from the unity which is rapidly emerging among the democrats.

Posted by: Logan-6 | June 7, 2008 4:11 PM

Why did she have to "LIE" about Bosnia sniper fire, Family Leave, Irish Peace, and other issues? Why did she find it necessary to intimate with innuendo dishonest statements about Obama? Why did she find it necessary to "PANDER" to people about guns, religion, whiskey, beer, gas tax? Why did she have to use "RACE-BAITING" in her campaign? Why did she find it necessary to bring "SEXISM" into this race when Golda Meier, Mrs. Bhutto, Mrs. Ghandi, Ms. Napolitano, Gov. Sebelius, other females NEVER used misogyny? Why did she have to make her supporters "HATE" Obama when all he EVER did was make us LOVE him with his constant message of 'WE THE PEOPLE' and transparency in his governance! Had she NOT done these things, perhaps I could feel something for her, but instead I feel completely void of feeling anything! Obama is a much better and more gracious person than I could ever hope to be!

Posted by: MadasHelinVA | June 7, 2008 4:11 PM

Out:

Threats
Name-calling
Sour grapes
Misogyny
Racism
Triumphalism
Supporters of Clinton and Obama tearing at each other's throats

In:

Hillary's conceded
Hillary supports Obama
Cooperation
Reconciliation
Uniting against the common foe, a McCain presidency
Pooling the strengths of Clinton and Obama to heal the country

I would have voted for Clinton in a heartbeat if she'd won. Hopefully the reasonable, intelligent Clinton supporters who love their country will do likewise. Welcome aboard, well fought and now let's put a Democrat back in the White House.

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 7, 2008 4:11 PM

Sen. Clinton was the only candidate left that I felt okay with. I live in DC, so I know the Distirct will vote. I just don't know how I will. I can't figure out why, but there's something about Sen Obama that makes me feel uncomfortable. I like him, but I just don't know how to make the personal change from someone whom I supported to someone whom I really didn't.

-Robby

Posted by: Robby | June 7, 2008 4:10 PM

Aspergirl, the GOP websites, McCain campaign and right-wing websites await you. We get it - you no vote for Obama - you no like the Democratic Party. We are deeply hurt and it will take time to get over it (everybody, synchronize your watches for 15 minutes). Frankly, your announcement means d**k 'cause it was going to happen anyway. You hiding behind some feigned outrage over "reverse racism" by Obama supporters is just the cherry on the lame reasons cake. There's a "McCain '08 - smell the change" bumpersticker for the first 100 "Women for McCain" supporters. Buh-bye...

Posted by: Aspergirl has left the building | June 7, 2008 4:10 PM

Amazing Speech!

It is why I voted for her during the primary!

Still, I have not heard a compelling reason to vote for Obama.

What she has done has encouraged me to be more open minded towards Obama.

I am still leaning to vote for John McCain.

It will be the first time I vote Republican.

Posted by: Steve Sanchez | June 7, 2008 4:10 PM

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:10 PM

I don't know about you, but I am sick and tired of Repukes weighing in on the Democratic race.

Particularly fat butthole junkies like Rush Limbaugh and his ballot box stuffing campaign. He needs to go back to his 15 year old Dominican tranny boys.

The Democratic race is NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS you Repuke idiots.

Go away and let the adults talk now.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 4:10 PM

I actually was in downtown DC this morning and saw this line by the old Pension Building which is what we DC residents call the building where Clinton gave her speech. When I found out what the line was for, I got in line and waited and eventually made it inside. No one was checking for tickets.

Met a lot of people, a good number of whom turned out to be tourists or people participating in the Komen Race for the Cure. Based on my limited observations, there wasn't much negativity towards Obama; but there was quite a bit of words said about Bill Clinton--most of it not positive. Surprisingly not one person I spoke to who said they previously supported Clinton, said they were going to vote for McCain or not vote. When Obama's name was first mentioned, there were a few scattered boos which didn't continue. Most people were there to be part of and see history being made.

Glad I happened upon the event and attended.

Posted by: Hillary Spectator | June 7, 2008 4:09 PM

By endorsing Obama and campaigning for him, Hillary will be one of the major leader in the democratic party for years to come.

Posted by: Logan-6 | June 7, 2008 4:07 PM

An Ex-Dem?

Jeez, and I thought inbred redneck Repukes are stupid.

This idiot CHOSE to be stupid. Willful ignorance.

What a butthole.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 4:07 PM

Most Democrats will forget what happened during this primary cycle. They will go to the voting booth in November and cast their vote for Obama. I'm not going to deny that any candidate is better than GWBush; but we have just made a decision that has destroyed, to my estimation, any chance of bringing normalcy to the US. The best candidate was not nominated in the Democratic primary, nor in the Republican primary.

There various reasons for this.

1) The DNC's travesty with Florida and Michigan. Howard Dean has never been a "saint of my devotion", but now he has become a demon before my eyes. The charade perpetrated on the Democratic electorate by the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee was appalling. I left the Republican party after the Florida and US Supreme Court debacle in 2000. I'm not sure where I go from here, since this is a 2-party system, and flawed for that matter. How's that for a tactic from Karl Rove's playbook!

2) Obama and his church. Who ever thought that the Republicans would have a field day attacking a candidate for being too affiliated to his church! Obama has never rejected the beliefs of Jeremiah Wright or even Pfleger. He has called their comments divisive, but has never said that he does not believe in them. Moreover, he claims to have been inspired by the sermons of Jeremiah Wright. Listen to that man's sermons and tell me what kind of inspiration he can possibly draw. I may have to put up with a college professor of Ethics and Conflicts with a flawed perception of right or wrong, but he is not going to be my pastor.

3) Obama dodged more questions than Hillary bullets in Serbia. I have yet to hear Obama, and his spokesmen(women), answer a question exactly as it is presented to him and to its fullness. At times he even rephrases the question so that it sounds ridiculous when it was legitimate to start with.

4) Obama is far too liberal for my liking and for the good of the country. I am a moderate man in just about everything I do in my life, and I can't understand how anyone can go to extremes in everything they do or believe in. Obama in GWBush at the other end of the spectrum.

Hillary is going to give her full support to Obama because that's what she does- she is a leader in the Democratic party, and she knows, I'm certain, that she can still find a way to move our country in the right direction. The only problem is that I don't know if the Democratic party should, or is going to, win the November election. They need a huge lesson, and this may just be it.

Our country needed an exit strategy for its current situation, and I'm afraid we just lost it :-(

Posted by: EGGArgost | June 7, 2008 4:07 PM

nameless one: Since you now appear to want to go "grammatical" on us might I question what you mean by "debating FACTS" ? Surely facts are facts and there's nothing to debate unless, of course, you wish to misquote or, in your case, misuse, FACTS

Posted by: aredee | June 7, 2008 4:05 PM

This is gibberish and you are an idiot.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:07 PM

Hillary did her job. Very well. Class act. PLus, it must have been wenching for her supporters but their crowd fresponses were pretty damen great, considering....
Now, could somebody muzzle McAuliffe? Less than 60 seconds after her speech he takes MSNBC's bait on the Veep question and says 'yes, I personally want to see her get it. She'd be a great asset' (paraphrase)
Give it a rest, Terry. A rather long one.

Posted by: JMFulton, Jr. | June 7, 2008 4:05 PM

Hey Jerseygirl:

I hope you won't judge a presidential candidate -- or a party -- on the basis of what a few people write on a message board. From what I've seen, the subset of people that comment on these things are NOT representative of the overall body of supporters for either Clinton or Obama. They tend to be, um, how to put this? . . . a bit more agitated. It's easier to take the gloves off when you're alone at a keyboard rather than talking to somebody's face.
Boards like this can be fun, but they tend to throw gas on the fire. That's not helping anybody but Republicans right now.

Posted by: mattcliff | June 7, 2008 4:05 PM

nameless one: Since you now appear to want to go "grammatical" on us might I question what you mean by "debating FACTS" ? Surely facts are facts and there's nothing to debate unless, of course, you wish to misquote or, in your case, misuse, FACTS

Posted by: aredee | June 7, 2008 4:05 PM

AsprinGirl gives me a headache.

She's a REPUKE TROLL. This is well-documented.

Anything she says is a LIE. Even if she says she is lying.

I bet she's lying about being a girl too and she's just like Mann Coulter.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 3:49 PM

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:03 PM

There are some people who are more Catholic than the Pope.

There are some people who are more Jewish than the Prime Minister of Israel.

And then there are the "Clinton supporters" who are purer in their devotion to Hillary than Hillary Clinton is herself.

Senator Clinton gave a beautiful and moving speech today. Her sincere followers will understand the difference between a primary skirmish and and election that will determine the course of the country. OTOH, we know what to expect from the Republican trolls who apparently post here for a living. Their disguises are pretty transparent---some of them can't even break their old habit of writing "Democrat Party."

Posted by: Andy | June 7, 2008 4:03 PM

Bobby, I am confused,you say Mccain is a danger to our country? Why, because he fought for our country?
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No. Because he's for continuing Bush's warrantless wiretaps. Because he doesn't mind a 100 year presence in Iraq (you think all those troops we have in South Korea don't stretch our forces or budget?). Because he wants to make the tax cuts for the rich, which have exploded the deficit permanent. Because as late as this February he thought the economy was doing great. Because he sings "Bomb, bomb Iran" (his version of Reagan's "We start bombing in five minutes"). Because he can't even remember that Al Qaeda is Sunni, not Shiite.

And that's just the primer.

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 7, 2008 4:02 PM

It was a heck of a speech. Her comments about 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling were beautiful. Her comments about embracing all people and seeing and respecting their potential were tremendously moving.

Her endorsement of Obama was professional. It was also VERY VERY forced. Because she would make the best President. And that's just the truth.

The best thing Obama's got going for him in getting my vote is that Hillary told me to vote for him. That's the only reason that he'd possibly get it.

And don't forget Obama fans. Because I will not stand in "unity" with a bunch of people who disrespect my candidate or assume I will just get in line because they say so.

Posted by: K | June 7, 2008 4:01 PM

To the nameless one - better re-read my initial statement about Freudian slips. I also mentioned "intentional" slips. You are clearly doing one or the other and it now looks like the latter.

Posted by: aredee | June 7, 2008 3:47 PM

Get a life, IDIOT. Try debating FACTS instead of PRONOUNS. I GUESS SINCE NONE ARE ON YOUR SIDE, PRONOUNS ARE ALL 'THIS PERSON' HAS.

Hillary Clinton failed the DC bar exam.
SHE does not deserve to serve on the Supreme Court.

Bill Clinton was disbarred.
HE does not deserve to serve on the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 4:01 PM


as they say... it's not over till the fat lady sings.

well, the lady with the fat ankles just sang.

THANK GOD!

now if we can only get rid of that beady-eyed, whiny-voiced bush.

Posted by: BOB | June 7, 2008 4:00 PM

So because I'm not voting for a politician who has no experience who happens to be mixed race I'm a racist? Sounds like typical comment from a negro who has nothing to show for themselves except their skin color.

Posted by: Choirboy |
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what experience are you looking for exactly? This is an overused word that needs some clarification. You dangle that word out there but never define it. I don't trust it because it is usually used to mask something else. The country has been les by men who have not had all the experience in the world. Why does this term mean so much now?

As for your hostility - very sad...

Posted by: Obama '08 | June 7, 2008 3:59 PM

mzha: You are right we have to be cautious of these dangerous racists surrounding Obama - Oh, by the way, the terrorists who destroyed the builkding in Oklahoma and the so called "unibomber", weren't they ..... white ?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:58 PM

With friends like Hillary, who needs enemies?

Posted by: gmundenat | June 7, 2008 3:58 PM

>>majorteddy wrote: "Aspergirl===I'm glad that you have decided to become a Republican. That's what I always thought you were to begin with. Now you will be happy to be in the party with Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. All of us in the Democratic Party will be happy now that we don't have to listen to your threats. And the next time I see you commenting on line I will know that you really are a Republican and I can discount anything you say as coming from the Republican viewpoint."
Posted by: majorteddy | June 7, 2008 3:34 PM

Firstly, this is the behind-the-scenes verbal behavior of Obama supporters. Their anti-establishment, anti-white venom isn't for effect for politics, they really do hate. To them, those who opposed their candidate (like Clinton) and Republicans aren't really human. They are the reverse-racist, divisive face of the black community. And they hate white people who don't honor their Afrocentric Chauvinism or buy into the racial preference argument for Obama's presidency ("the first black president") as an under-qualified, inexperienced freshman senator who wants to run the country.

As far as the comment that anything I say can be discounted as coming from a Republican if I join "Women for McCain", whether or not Obama's paid blogging shills listen to me or discount what I say doesn't matter to me. They are paid to lurk on the blogs and pretend they are real thinking voters, while blanketing the Internet with all the divisive hate speech smears against the opposition while their candidate acts very respectful and talks hypocritically about "new politics" and "transcendence."

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 3:56 PM

As a Clinton supporter, I must say that my loyalty is not transferable. The two remaining candidates will have 5 months to win my vote. The Democratic party should reform the primaries and abolish caucases.
If the Electoral College rules the land, the nomination process should follow.

Posted by: Liup | June 7, 2008 3:47 PM

But it's ok for the Republicans to hold caucuses? What an IDIOT!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:55 PM

Bye, bye BILLARY Clinton. Don't let the door hit you in the rear end as you exit the political stage -- hopefully FOREVER!

You can watch the video here:

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/06/vanquished-hillary-billary-clinton.html#links

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | June 7, 2008 3:54 PM

Bobby, I am confused,you say Mccain is a danger to our country? Why, because he fought for our country? Because his own sons are fighting for our country? Because even though he was tortured he still stood behind our country? Because the democrats put us where we are today? How easily you don't say Obama by his own admission in his book will stand by our enemies, has a bad radical past with Ayers, Resnith (I can't spell his name) Rev. White and the new white priest who got suspended. Talk about endangering this great country. Think again!

Posted by: mzha | June 7, 2008 3:54 PM

With Hillary Clinton's graceful and forceful endorsement of Barrack Obama, the general election has offically begun. Starting Monday,all of the negative/demeaning/sexist remarks towards HRC and racist comments towards Obama will come from Republican TROLLS trying to shake things up. DON'T FALL FOR THE TRICKS!

Democrats, Independents (like me), and disaffected Republicans, let's turn the page and defeat John McSame - NO THIRD BUSH TERM!!

Posted by: KT | June 7, 2008 3:52 PM

McLame is four more years of failed Repuke policies.

Only idiots and old fogeys will vote for him this fall.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 3:52 PM

To AsperGirl,

I already know that you are one of those Republicans I was writing about. Can you cite the sources of the "information" you are giving?

Is sexism (and for that matter racism) still prevalent in our society? Of course...we still have a long way to go. But putting aside the emotion, which party has done more to promote equality and justice for all? Certainly not the Republicans. So, while there may be hurt feelings, those who truly care about issues of equality, justice, civil liberties, etc., have to stand behind the Democratic Pary, even if Obama isn't "their" candidate.

Posted by: RW, Denver | June 7, 2008 3:51 PM

ragindemo wrote -

I am not voting in November for very rational reasons, not out of some emotional retaliation as the media and the pundits claim.
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I beg to differ. Most, if not all, of your reasons sound based on emotion. Reason would dictate that the worst thing to happen to this country would be to have McCain in the White House, and the way things now stand the surest way to prevent that would be to help Obama get elected.

Your first reason is that women need to stick together or "things will never change". I take it from that you mean it's more important to elect a woman president than it is to elect someone, whatever their DNA sequence, who can pull America out of the ditch it's in. If identity politics were paramount, I should be supporting Edwards or McCain because I'm a white male. I didn't; I went with Obama because he seemed the most capable of creating the change we need to get things done in Washington.

How can you call a delegate system that represents the popular vote closer than a winner takes all system (which grossly distorts the vote) ridiculous? A proportional (or better, nonexistent) electoral college would have given us Gore instead of Bush. As far as Michigan and Florida go, even if delegates had been awarded exactly as voted, Hillary still would have lost (and her getting all of them, as some have suggested, is plain ridiculous - she ran essentially unopposed and still only got 55% of the MI vote).

You're damn right caucuses are disenfranchising. I'm with you all the way there. Hillary lost them, though, mainly because she decided to ignore them and pursue a big state strategy. She ran a general election campaign during the primaries. Her choice, so I don't shed a tear for her in that regard. Besides, why didn't Hillary voice any reservations about caucuses until after she started losing them?

I absolutely understand your desire to punish the party apparatchiks for the way they messed with this primary. I was writing threatening letters to the superdelegates in February that if their votes didn't reflect the popular vote, no matter WHO won, I would vote a straight Republican ticket in November. I was even going to write them to switch their votes for Hillary after Tuesday until the exit polls from MI convinced me that Obama won by a miniscule margin. But there's way too much at stake to allow McCain to get in the White House.

There are ways to punish the Dem bigwigs without being destructive about it. I would recommend, if you're that angry, to withhold donating to the DNC, get on their forums and let them know why. This WILL hurt them because thanks to Obama they no longer take lobbyist or PAC money. You don't have to make Dean's mistake with FL and MI and use a machete when a paddle will do. But please don't punish the entire country by letting McCain win. That won't be a paddle or a machete - it'll be a firing squad.

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 7, 2008 3:50 PM

If John McCain is elected, Roe v, Wade is gone. He voted against equal pay for women. His foreign policy views are misguided at best and dangerous at worst. He favors irrational tax cuts that would radically undermine the economy and the health of the nation.

From day one, I've said that I would support Hillary if Obama did not get the nomination. That's not out of some expansive notion of party loyalty, it's because I don't believe in cutting off my nose to spite my face. Hillary really angered me with the way she ran her campaign, but I still admire her and don't kid myself for a minute that she would not be a good president, and certainly a MUCH better one than McCain. I hope everyone can take a deep breath here and think.

Posted by: mattcliff | June 7, 2008 3:50 PM

So because I'm not voting for a politician who has no experience who happens to be mixed race I'm a racist? Sounds like typical comment from a negro who has nothing to show for themselves except their skin color.

Posted by: Choirboy | June 7, 2008 3:50 PM

Love you Hillary, but all of your supporters will not vote for Obama unless you are on the ticket.

For all of you stupid people that believe is Hillary's job to bring her supporters to that arrogant sob, it is actually his job to earn their votes. Get a F*** life.

Good luck in November because you are going to need it!

Posted by: Ex Dem | June 7, 2008 3:49 PM

AsprinGirl gives me a headache.

She's a REPUKE TROLL. This is well-documented.

Anything she says is a LIE. Even if she says she is lying.

I bet she's lying about being a girl too and she's just like Mann Coulter.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 3:49 PM

As a Clinton supporter, I must say that my loyalty is not transferable. The two remaining candidates will have 5 months to win my vote. The Democratic party should reform the primaries and abolish caucases.
If the Electoral College rules the land, the nomination process should follow.

Posted by: Liup | June 7, 2008 3:47 PM

To the nameless one - better re-read my initial statement about Freudian slips. I also mentioned "intentional" slips. You are clearly doing one or the other and it now looks like the latter.

Posted by: aredee | June 7, 2008 3:47 PM

Voting for McCain is fine. Just vote for him because you believe in his policies and his vision for the country. Don't harm the country and vote for him because your candidate, Hillary, was beaten by Obama. That is a pathetic excuse to vote republican and shows that you are not mature enough to handle a vote.

God Bless AMERICA!

Posted by: Truth | June 7, 2008 3:47 PM

The Clinton supporters who vow to vote McCain in November aren't feminists, they're racists. Clinton did the right thing for the country, the Democratic Party, and her own future in that party by endorsing Barack Obama. Clinton may have a chance to run in 2016 (if Vice President Webb decides no to run). Until then, it's Senate Majority Leader for her.

Posted by: Biograph1985 | June 7, 2008 3:45 PM

You did the right thing Hillary.

Posted by: majorteddy | June 7, 2008 3:45 PM

mzha: We had this discussion before, whether a candidate is a hero, a lwayer, a Chinese acrobat or a juggler does not qualify that person for the ultimate job of President of the USA. It is primarily what they will do to better the country and, little mentioned, WHO THEY WILL DO IT WITH. It seems to be forgotten that one is electing not only a President but a host of their chosen advisers (remember Cheney et al) Let's hear a little more about who these people will be.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:43 PM

Every time I read one of these comments bashing Hillary by an Obama fanatic, it pushes me further towards leaving the Democratic Party. I and many others are really tired of being insulted because we aren't enthralled by Obama. She gave a beautiful speech today and it's still not enough for some of you! Shame on all of you. You want the party to be united but it will never happen if you alienate millions of Clinton supporters. Think about it.

Posted by: Jersey Girl | June 7, 2008 3:43 PM

What a joke. A joke party that can't run a primary. A joke candidate who affiliates with bomb makers. A joke sidekick who used race as her dividing point. And a joke electorate - wanting government to solve the world's problems for them because they're too incompetent to do it themselves.

Posted by: egrib | June 7, 2008 3:41 PM

"After a brilliant speech by Hillary, I was dismayed to see all of the bitterness still being posted, until this thought occurred to me: The only chance McCain has is if the Democrats are split. ..."
Posted by: RW, Denver | June 7, 2008 3:29 PM

No, it's not Republicans acting like Obama supporters and jeering and making sexist, belittling remarks about Clinton, trying to divide and anger Clinton supporters. That is the behind-the-scenes sexist hate speech face of the Obama campaign, as run through the Internet blogging shills it pays and distributes talking points to. I recognize some of them.

The Obama campaign just paying lip service to being civil and respectful to Clinton, to keep her voters in line. An Obama supporter was bragging earlier today that Clinton was shown some documentation and told how her senate seat would be taken away from her and how the party wouldn't let her win a credentials committee challenge. She's more or less being blackmailed into this speech.

As soon as it becomes clear that her supporters will do as she asks, if that happens, it's back to dumping on her and retaliating against her. Then they won't need to be nice to her anymore. They may not even keep their promise and make her lose her senate seat to retaliate against her for finishing the primaries and making Obama look like a loser and exposing his weaknesses to Republicans.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 3:40 PM

To nameless one >>>A woman who failed the D.C. bar exam should NOT be on the Supreme Court.>>>
Whether it be Freudian or intentional your statement should have read "ANYONE who failed the D.C. bar exam should NOT be on the Supreme Court." These slips are exactly the ammunition the feminists like to show that sexism is alive and well in America !!!!!!!

Posted by: | June 7, 2008 3:30 PM

Considering I am a woman, my comment was hardly a 'freudian' slip. Hillary Clinton, who is in fact a woman and can be identified as such, failed the DC bar exam and should NOT be on the Supreme Court. This PARTIULAR WOMAN. I'm pretty sure Ruth Bader Ginsberg passed whatever bar exam she took and, thus, has passed a minimum threshold--in my mind--for being on the Supreme Court.

Hillary's husband--who has been disbarred--would also be a poor Supreme Court justice candidate b/c NO MAN WHO HAS BEEN DISBARRED SHOULD BE A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:40 PM

On Friday evening, before Hillary had conceded, (which I was expecting) I got a phone call from one of the "Rah rah, nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh" Obama crowd, telling me that the job was now to elect a Democrat (which I MIGHT eventually agree with, if Mr. Obama actually makes some firm policy statements) and can they count on my support with $100, right now.

Hello? I told them the following:

1. I don't give $100 to anybody, I'm retired, but I do generally volunteer, but the odds that I'd volunteer for them, after this, were slightly less than the odds that there is no such thing as global warning.

2. I've seen (and been the victem of) way too many "male social promotions" ahead of better qualified/more experienced women, because it happened to me, and this was a lot to ask me to swallow, after I've been forced to swallow so much crap in a 30 year government career.

3. The democratic party, as I see it (and as Howard Dean now belatedly admits) is utterly lousy with unchallenged, old-boy, wink, wink, nudge, nudge sexism, but that's nothing compared to the vitriol and hate spewed by the so called "Black Community."

4. Barack Obama needs me, and all the women like me, one whole lot more than we need him. Don't threaten me with the "overturn of Roe v. Wade" or the continuation of the war, or any of the other garbage you spewed: with a President McCain, and an utterly bulletproof/veto proof Congress, which I think likely, I have very little to fear.

5. They made a HUGE mistake putting the elbow on me so soon. Until they did so, after a few days of grumbling and grieving, I probably would have decided to vote for Barry O. Now, about the best they can hope for is that I abstain for president.

I am one totally hacked off woman, one who has seen way more than one too many men "promoted" just because they were men, and NO ONE in the democratic party to date has had the b@lls to call either the media, or the other candidates on it.

Don't assume you'll get my vote.

Posted by: VA_Lady2008 | June 7, 2008 3:39 PM

I do think Hillary's speech was a withdrawal of some sort. She endorsed Obama, but left her options open just in case, to keep her delegates and 18, million voters. I was a Hillary supporter but it does not matter now since I switched parties to the republican side. I am voting for the man, not the party. I feel Mccain has fought for our country, and will keep us safe. I also realized that the democratic congress is the real fault behind the weak economy etc.

Posted by: mzha | June 7, 2008 3:39 PM

Anybody who says they are a feminist but they're voting for McLame is a LIAR.

No real feminist would vote for McLame. He wants to get rid of Roe V. Wade.

The Repuke trolls in here are lying scum.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 3:38 PM

IMHO, four more years of the same failed economic policies would endanger our national security. You cannot maintain an army deployed around the world for very long if your GNP is stagnant and your currency is declining.

Posted by: gbooksdc | June 7, 2008 3:37 PM

to ragindemo:

My what a petty and vindictive fool you are.
Your candidate loses, so now you want to pick up your marbles and go home.
Obama ran a much more disciplined campaign than Clinton. The media may have had its sexist moments, but Obama was more than generous in not going negative. Clinton had more than enough time, money and resources to prepare for the caucuses. Clinton described the results from Florida and Michigan as "meaningless" that is until she ended up with more votes in those states. As for disenfranchisement of voters...on one hand you decry the disenfranchisement of voteres in Fla and Mich., but on the other hand you complain that the democratic primaries'proportional delegate allotment process. Are you seriously contending that it is "less" democratic to have delegates selected in proportion to the number of votes garnered by the respective candidates? Doesn't winner-take-all leave many more voters feeling disenfranchised?

Posted by: thorn | June 7, 2008 3:37 PM

This was the best speech of Hillary's race. She hit all the right notes--thanking her supporters, recognizing her place in history, endorsing Obama, and explaining why a Democrat must win the White House, not a Republican.

It's a shame that Hillary's campaign turned into a struggle for women's rights versus a struggle for a Democrat in the White House. Because of those competing goals, the Democratic Party may be irreparably damaged. Already, McCain is targeting older white women as a voting bloc for Republicans. Had the race stayed focused on the White House versus women's rights, this never would have happened.

What a shame.

Posted by: Seneca | June 7, 2008 3:34 PM

Aspergirl===I'm glad that you have decided to become a Republican. That's what I always thought you were to begin with. Now you will be happy to be in the party with Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. All of us in the Democratic Party will be happy now that we don't have to listen to your threats. And the next time I see you commenting on line I will know that you really are a Republican and I can discount anything you say as coming from the Republican viewpoint.

Posted by: majorteddy | June 7, 2008 3:34 PM

I thought the speech was too much about her, her achievements in the campaign and too self congratulatory. She needed to go beyond just the procedural endorsement and show some heart and persuasive power as to why Obama best serves her supporters' interests. Not mentioning John McCain and what alternative he represents for elderly women and working class whites was a mistake.

Posted by: Nevin | June 7, 2008 3:32 PM

AsperGirl = REPUKE TROLL

AsperGirl = REPUKE TROLL

AsperGirl = REPUKE TROLL

AsperGirl = REPUKE TROLL

AsperGirl = REPUKE TROLL

AsperGirl = REPUKE TROLL

AsperGirl = REPUKE TROLL

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:31 PM

A note to Aspergirl - why do think joining the Republican party is the solution here? When in its entire history has a woman run for president who was a Republican? What significant Republican holder of office in the White House has even stood for choice? Reagan? Bush 1? Bush 2? McCain?

Yes, I'd probably say, Hillary got a raw deal? But even she realizes that it's the Democratic Party that has the right platform to deal with the war in Iraq, the economy and fixing this country. Just because she did not win the nomination does not negate her example or her influence in the party or in shaping the decisions of its leaders. She is not a foe of Obama but a friend of the Democratic Party and so should you be.

Posted by: bobby schrader | June 7, 2008 3:31 PM

I've been telling my fellow Obama supporters for days to lay off Hillary and her supporters, and I've also been saying she should have the VP slot if she wants it.

But VP is now surely out of the question, because the Republicans are running all these ads in which Hillary questions Obama's fitness to be president.

You cannot have Hillary as VP when the other party is putting videos on TV of Hillary saying McCain has the experience to be President and Obama doesn't.

Hillary was warned at the time that she was crossing a red line with these pro-McCain comments. There are some things you don't do in a primary, and that is head of the list.

I hope it's now obvious to her supporters why that was such a terrible mistake. It's completely disqualified her from being on the ticket.

Posted by: Bud0 | June 7, 2008 3:31 PM

here is the text of clinton's speech with the best parts highlighted:

http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/06/hillary-clinton.html

Posted by: tomabrahams | June 7, 2008 3:31 PM

I am 70. In all my years the milestone I wondered about is whether we would reach the moon during my lifetime; thanks to JFK we did a long time ago.

Never in my thought processes did it ever occur to me to speculate about a woman running for President or a Negro (yes, I go back that far when that was the respectful designator of choice), for that matter.

Here we are, having had the luxury of choosing between 2 well qualified candidates, a woman and an African-American. Of necessity one had to win and the other lose, but today I can honestly say there were no losers, only winners.

Having already made a huge mark, Senator Hillary Clinton will only increase the honor and respect she has earned by championing her signature cause, reforming healthcare, during the coming years. As advisor to and (in time) confidant of Pres. Obama she will help him create the conditions whereby this signal achievement will be obtained.

Bill Clinton set the stage by naming 2 women to very powerful posts: Madeleine Albright as Sec. of State and Janet Reno as Attorney General. Democrats continue to lead our society with the naming of Nancy Pelosi as the first ever female Speaker of the House.

You can be sure that Barack Obama will continue down that same path, and Hillary Clinton's active, enthusiastic support of his campaign will make that possible.

Posted by: David | June 7, 2008 3:31 PM

To nameless one >>>A woman who failed the D.C. bar exam should NOT be on the Supreme Court.>>>
Whether it be Freudian or intentional your statement should have read "ANYONE who failed the D.C. bar exam should NOT be on the Supreme Court." These slips are exactly the ammunition the feminists like to show that sexism is alive and well in America !!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:30 PM

After a brilliant speech by Hillary, I was dismayed to see all of the bitterness still being posted, until this thought occurred to me: The only chance McCain has is if the Democrats are split. So, I wonder how many of these divisive posts are submitted by Republicans posing as Clinton or Obama supporters? Don't be fooled by rove-ian tactics!

Democrats united in 2008!

Posted by: RW, Denver | June 7, 2008 3:29 PM

We have to get past one barrier at a time people. Today we had two, neither are of more inportance but both are of true signifigance. In order to be united, we must UNITE! Im sure Asian America would like to see an asian president. Spanish.. a spanish president. Male and female.. we teach our children that they can be anything they would like to be..but then they realize anything but President. Unless.. well you get it. Get over your selves and take one victory at a time. Obama08.. "Because the future, has learned from the past." Change in 08!

Posted by: JRenee | June 7, 2008 3:29 PM

When I left the Klan I swore on my mothers grave that I would work to amend the negative ways that my daddy taught me. He told me to never trust a n***er or a woman. But alas during the democratic primary I have mended my ways. After long consideration and several trips to the gas station, grocerry store and paying the utility bills on my double wide I realized how much my white brotheren was looking out for my best interest. The comapny that I worked for moved over seas and all of my unemploment has run out. I think it's time for me to give a black man a chance to improve things.

Posted by: Cletus | June 7, 2008 3:29 PM

I am a feminist, and there is no way I will support Obama. I would rather see the feminist movement die than see Obama become president. I was really hurt that Clinton did not get the nomination. Now McCain gets my vote. I could care less that Obama is a champion of women's rights with a 100% rating from NARAL. I hope McCain turns back the strides in equal rights for women--as he has promised to do--for all I care.

I could care less that McCain laughed hysterically on camera when someone called Hillary a bit*h or that he has said Chelsea Clinton is so ugly because Janet Reno is her father. My bruised feelings are of primary importance to me and the ONLY thing that matters is ME. Until the Democratic Party BLINDLY rubber stamps all female Democratic candidates for President--no matter what rules they break or how often they lie, cheat, steal, race bait and assassination dream--This is what they get!

We will promise to swing the election but--just like the paltry few who showed up to demonstrate for Hillary's 'suffrage movement'--we won't make any difference whatsoever in preventing President Obama's victory.

Posted by: Satire | June 7, 2008 3:28 PM

Aredee: Please don't tell me how to be a true democrat. I don't drink the koolaid, I have a mind of my own. I can see the faults in my party, this nominating process to start with.

What I am really disgusted with is how the democrats are too afraid to impeach Bush. Why in 2006 when they took control did they do nothing. The sit back and let the Republicans impeach Clinton over sex, but over this war and thousands of soldiers and civilians dying, they do NOTHING!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:27 PM

The Obama (Clinton) problem is easily solved: appoint her to the Supreme Court.

Posted by: terrt | June 7, 2008 3:15 PM

A woman who failed the D.C. bar exam should NOT be on the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:25 PM

To all woman that won't vote and thus help McCain win remember St. Paul. Submit yourself to your husband and men and help yourself go backwards to a second class citizen.

Posted by: Father Jones | June 7, 2008 3:24 PM

reporter, USA, says: "Her true political views are the ones that she expressed in vote after vote in the Senate, not on the campaign trail. Those views resonate with mainstream America."

So you're saying that she wasn't telling the truth about her views during the campaign? That she was lying to her audiences?

That her real views are expressed by her Senate votes? Like the vote to invade Iraq, you mean?

Phew, sounds like we dodged a bullet then.

Yours is the oddest valedictory yet.

Posted by: oddball | June 7, 2008 3:24 PM

I honestly don't understand your comment, ragindemo. All of your critiques of the process have absolutely nothing to do with sexism or any unfairness to one candidate.

The candidates were all seasoned politicians on the national stage. They all knew the rules backwards and forwards before they ran. They all devised strategies that should have been based on the rules of the contest. One campaign won and all of the others lost.

Are you actually saying that once the process was over, or once the result was clear, the rules should have been changed just so that the woman would win? I can't believe it, but I don't know how else to understand your comment. I am asking that in all seriousness as a middle-aged, white, female, life-long Democrat and an Obama supporter.

Why do stupid technicalities in the rules, which nobody objected to before competing, suddenly become sexist? All that happened is that this was an exceptionally close race, when minor technicalities that normally would be swamped by one candidate being way ahead, became much more important. But super-close races are exactly why we have such rules, so we will know how to decide those contests.

I'm sorry, I just don't get it. I'm sure if there had been an extremely close Republican fight we would have learned about other, equally arcane rules (different from the ones the Dems use, but equally arcane) that would have decided that one. For example, the Republicans also punished Michigan and Florida by giving the delegates half a vote. But nobody cares because that race wasn't so close. If it was close, suddenly that would have become the great Romney or Huckabee or Giuliani rallying cry.

I can only hope that first of all, the Democrats do correct and amend their process (first and foremost, by eliminating superdelegates altogether) and second, that you will give yourself some weeks and months over the summer to consider what Hillary Clinton asked today, and what all of us in the party are hoping for as well.

Come September or October, I hope you will consider both John McCain and Barack Obama's positions with an open mind, think about what course you believe is right for the country, and come out and vote in November. We would be honored to have your support.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | June 7, 2008 3:23 PM

The Democratic Party needs to examine the primary rules.

We need winner take all in each state. The country should be divided into 4 to 5 regions that vote in a same two day period and the regions vote two weeks apart.

Get everyone involved.

Posted by: Missy | June 7, 2008 3:22 PM

Hillary has one piece of unfinished business.

She needs to mend the huge rip she made in the fabric of the Democratic party.

She needs to tell all her supporters why they should NOT vote for McLame. Why he would be dangeorus for the US, particularly those Supremes appointments which will be coming up.

Anybody who says they supported Hillary but will vote for McLame is a LIAR. They are lying to themselves most of all.

Hillary would NOT want you to vote for McLame.

But she DOES need to tell you that.

Get on it, Hillary. Its your job.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 7, 2008 3:21 PM

Hillary was gracious and forceful in her endorsement of Obama. It was the final note on a score that showed her own voice: truly caring for the American people and their dreams. Nothing reveals a person's character more than the moment when they need to be gracious. Hillary did just that and in this farewell speech she said "Life is too short, time is too precious, and the stakes are too high to dwell on what might have been. We have to work together for what still can be." Yes, Hillary. God bless you, Bill and Chelsea and God speed for you and Obama in November!!

Posted by: Marc Wise | June 7, 2008 3:21 PM

As I seem to be one of those few outlier Democrats who was inspired equally by Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton, I can only say that I am disappointed by those who do not realize that abstaining from voting is just as dangerous as voting for the Republicans. We all know that this race was a dead heat, fought between two equally compelling candidates and while elections are not fair, I would only ask ragindemo and her extended family this question - do you want to see a Republican in the White House in November? And the corollary to that - do you actually think that a Republican White House (no offense to John McCain personally) would ever promote issues of importance to women (choice, child care, economic opportunity) . For God's sake vote and do so for the country's best interest - this is not a time for bitterness (it's exactly the kind of personal, shoot from the hip, gut approach to politics that has informed the way our current President runs his White House - and what a disaster that's been). I would only urge you to deal with this dispassionately and rationally (as I hope Barack Obama does and in his case, I hope that means a very significant role for Hilary Clinton in his administration).

Posted by: bobby schrader | June 7, 2008 3:21 PM

boyhowdy: I hope you're not reading impaired - I was responding to a professed lady democrat about democrats. My remark had nothing whatsoever to do with republicans, independents, hindus, chinese or anybody else !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Aredee | June 7, 2008 3:20 PM

Appointing Clinton to the Supreme Court would diminish the court. There are many many more qualified women for that post. She is talented and young enough to do any of several other milestone things... including the Presidency.

Posted by: steve boyington | June 7, 2008 3:19 PM

ragindemo,
how do you expect to get past sexism.. when we cant end racism? Seems like to me both sides would like to see a face that resembles thier own in the white house. Male or female. Black or white. I understand that women are tired of being First Ladies of a house that will never be thiers. But im sure black people are tired of cleaning,pruning,and rebuilding a house that they have never seen anyone that look like them President of. Think about it.

Posted by: Jrenee | June 7, 2008 3:19 PM

Totally agree with ragindemo. So Hillary has officially endorsed Obama. She shows more class than Obama's followers or the posters on this board will ever be capable of understanding. I am still furious with the Democratic party which disenfranchised millions of people ordinary people - those who are elderly, who can't afford babysitters or are working two jobs and don't have time to attend caucuses. Not only that, the DNC held some ridiculous kangaroo court of a hearing just to do Hillary in. So, you misogynists and Hillary haters, enjoy your time in the sun. I assume you will celebrate by kicking your dog or pulling the wings off butterflies- that seems to be the kind of people you are.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:17 PM

Yesterday I listened to my 65 year old Republican friend, "Obama will never win because he is a Muslim and wants to end the war.

These people are doomed to total stupid action by right wing radio and TV.

America is ghanging and desperately needs change.

To deny a health care package in the greatest country in the world is total denial.

We are not any stronger or safer as a country today than we were on 9/11.

To be a strong country you must have strength within the country. Strength and safety can only be achieved with a strong economy, a well and working population and secure borders. That is not America today. If you disagree check who owns the Pennsylvania turnpike-your wrong we sold it. Check what countries we are not deeply in debt to-none. Oh did you kbow the dollar value is so low that it is cheap for Canadians to buy in America. In 2000 $1 U.S. dollar got you $1.32 in Canada. Not today the Canadian dollar is on top. If you like that then thank Bush and vote McCain and you will be happy.

Posted by: Chuck | June 7, 2008 3:17 PM

MY RESPONSE TO A QUESTION FROM AN OBAMA SUPPORTER
:>>abigsam wrote: "AsperGirl: Your hero just cast her full support behind Barack Obama in a passionate and committed way. You still want to work against her?"

I'm not voting or deciding based on what Clinton wants me to do. I would vote for the person I think would be the best president. I don't think that the vote for President should be a partisan vote.

I supported Clinton because she was the best candidate. She not only had depth of knowledge and insight into many areas of our major issues we face as a country today, she had a lot of the problem-solving done and solutions outlined. She even had strategic plans for how to get her major initiatives accomplished, like business-politician initiatives and coalition-building by creating stakeholders from all sides of an issue.

Now that she's out of the race, as far as I can tell, it's a choice between the lesser of two evils.

And there are still the discriminatory abuses.

I'm not impressed by Democrats' lip service, like the promises of putting a token woman on the ballot. Howard Dean's hypocritical statements that he's suddenly become aware of the level of sexism and belittling during the primary season after someone showed him the womens media project video, aren't credible. Jesse Jackson's campaign got a lot more fair treatment from Democrats that Clinton's got.

No matter who I decide to vote for, I'm going into the Republican party. I've come to the conclusion that if the Democrats are going to act sexist and then pay hypocritical lip service to equality after they engaged in discrimination, that's cynical pandering. When you get to the point where people who are discriminating against you are lying and paying lip service to your complaints, there's not much you can do to change their behavior. The only reason Clinton's speech is so important to Democrats now is that they are afraid of the threats we will vote for McCain, which would frustrate their plans.

The whole concession speech charade, including the thinly veiled attempts to treat Clinton with a little less hatred and public contempt so long as she exhorts her followers into support Obama, is a big turn off.

The Democrats are socially bankrupt in their discriminatory conduct re: women right now. Some acts of discrimination cannot be forgiven.

It's time for the Republicans to start making a place at the center of their party for women, including pro-reproductive rights and gender equality women. It's ultimately not a good thing for the Democrats to depend on reflexive female support. Women issues will get more consideration if they are swing. There will be at minimum a small surge of new women signing up with Republicans, who will pressure for these changes. I want to be one of them and help them. Making some feminist-friendly changes to the Republican party will be a big advantage for women.

For the first time now, only 44 percent of women identify as Democrats, with the rest being Independent or Republican. The more that women aren't the property of any one party, the more they become swing voters, the more power they have.

It's time for women to move across parties and take the power to take women voters for granted away from Democrats. The Democrats have proved that they can't be trusted with their dominance of womens issues. Pelosi is even welcoming anti-abortion lawmakers into the party now.

I'm going into the Republican party, no matter who I vote for President this fall, and work for feminist issues to be accommodated at the center. There's a new organization, Women for McCain, that I'll try out to see if there's any staying power in the notion of a place for feminists at the Republican party's center.

Some Democrats talked about "post-feminism", i.e. how women are so free they don't have to vote for a female candidate. If we're in a post-feminist phase, then there also is no partisan claim to feminists.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 7, 2008 3:17 PM

Sorry Barack, but the skeletons are about to be released, and there's nothing the liberal media can do to prevent it. You're a joke Mr. Obama, much like the stooges that follow you. Enjoy it while you can, but you will regret ever thinking you had the qualifications to be POTUS.

Posted by: Speed Racer | June 7, 2008 3:17 PM

You go, girl.

Posted by: steve boyington | June 7, 2008 3:16 PM

ragindemo: Don't become paranoid, I mentioned that there are people who will not vote for Obama because he is male, there are those who will not vote for him because he's black and there may even be people who won't vote for him because he is male and black. You appear to be in at least one of these categories. You will become a true democrat and a real American when only the betterment of the country is your consideration irrespective of the geneder or race of the President.

Posted by: Aredee | June 7, 2008 3:16 PM

The Obama (Clinton) problem is easily solved: appoint her to the Supreme Court. She would have a lifetime appointment and could remain in the spotlight until her final breath. The Court needs a serious liberal Jurist (and soon) secondary to Roe and civil liberties. With a Democratic Congress she would easily win conformation without a fight (vote would be split along party lines). And, she would be kept in control during the coming months and until the first jurist retirement. She would be tethered to the court and Bill would have to stop his insane financial associations but could still give speeches and chase after whatever might be on his mind. If he gets caught with his proverbial pants down there is no substantial political fallout because she has a lifetime appointment and nothing happens except hand wringing. Having his wife on the Court might calm him down (some) and allow him to ponder the historic combination: President and Supreme Court Justice.

Posted by: terrt | June 7, 2008 3:15 PM

Amazing. Why in the world do Obama supporters continue to bash Hilary? Bad strategy. Too bad they do not possess an ounce (or less) of the grace, humility, and courage,that Hillary does. I still am not moved to swing for Obama. I support Hillary, not because she is a woman, but because of the woman that she is.

Posted by: radthinker4Hillary | June 7, 2008 3:14 PM

If Hillary Clinton genuinely began this saga to help our nation, then she should not quit the race. Rather, she should quit the Democratic party and join the presidential race as an independent candidate. Read "Hillary Clinton as an Independent Candidate" @ http://theclearsky.blogspot.com/#8706393981159671199 .

Her true political views are the ones that she expressed in vote after vote in the Senate, not on the campaign trail. Those views resonate with mainstream America.

Those views will not prevail if she serves as vice president. The president, not the vice president, sets the policy of the executive branch.

Neither John McCain nor Barack Obama enjoy broad support in the general electorate. If Clinton declines to become an independent candidate, then another moderate pro-universal-health-care politician should step into the 3rd-party limelight to score a relatively easy win in the general election.

Posted by: reporter, USA, http://theclearsky.blogspot.com/ | June 7, 2008 3:13 PM

aredee wrote:
Only people of true conviction who are real democrats who can go above racial and sexist considerations should vote.
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Only real democrats should vote in November? I think Republicans, Independents, and Democrats of every variety will be voting. I think everyone should vote. Once upon a time, only "gentlemen", i.e., white men who owned property, could vote. Are you proposing we return to those days, only with a different set of criteria for who should, in your words, vote?

I'm a Democrat with an independent mind. I'm very above racist and sexist considerations when it comes to judging who gets my vote. Obama hasn't earned it, in my opinion. That's my prerogative. And I WILL be voting in November.

Posted by: boyhowdy | June 7, 2008 3:12 PM

to aredee: "You are right to not vote in November. Only people of true conviction who are real democrats who can go above racial and sexist considerations should vote"

Just like Obama supporter to bring race into the discussion. I never mentioned race. How do you know what color I am? I was only talking about sexism. It is curious that whenever anyone talks against Obama, they are racist.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:10 PM

Great WOMAN and great speech. I loved Hillary and I will now support OBAMA.

To not vote is the same as endorsing McCain and the Church of the Republican.

Posted by: Sylvia | June 7, 2008 3:08 PM

Hi everyone,

I listen to senator Clinton speeech, and I am so greatfull. I am Hillary suporter, If we really respect her and fight for her, it is time for us to join the family, asd she said. We are all democrats before and stay democrats after. So, we need for the best of the country to come togther, we need to make sure Senator Obama will be the next president of America. We cannot stay home in november, because we cannot afford a third Bush term, which will McCain.

Posted by: Jams | June 7, 2008 3:08 PM

H.Clinton, what a shame! In order to obtain for herself a place as Vice President, now she bows to her rival Obama Hussein Barack, and asks her supporters to do the same,afraid they will vote for the Republican Party, and this is what is going to occur,obviously!

Posted by: piero agostinelli-Venice- | June 7, 2008 3:08 PM

treetopflyer: Good comment - my only wish is that she had not used the word "suspending" - this means to me that she hasn't given up at all and brings back the horrific memory of her raising the specter of the assassination of Robert Kennedy. It would have been better if she had simply stated that she was drawing her campaign to a close

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:05 PM

Now that she has finally conceded, I hope Obama uses Hillary like a hoe!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:05 PM

Big F**king deal!

Now maybe she will just go away and give Bill the sex he needs so badly so he will stop "boinking" young women on the campaign trail.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 7, 2008 3:03 PM

What the hell took her so damn long? What a piece of work she is. She just proved why she would've made a lousy president. Damn b_itch.

Posted by: Y uri Lipitzmeov | June 7, 2008 2:53 PM

So, Washington Post - what is taking YOU so long to delete the above post. Such mysogeny.

Posted by: docbaney | June 7, 2008 3:02 PM

ragindemo: You are right to not vote in November. Only people of true conviction who are real democrats who can go above racial and sexist considerations should vote. This race is about the election of a President at a time when American desperately needs a real leader. This is not the time to worry if that person is male or female, black, white or brown. Try to think of yourself above all as American and you might just succeed in rising above silly, basic sentiments.

Posted by: aredee | June 7, 2008 3:02 PM

A little less about her campaign, a little more enthusiasm for Obama; but otherwise, she did what was needed.

I can definitely sympathize. It can't be easy to watch a 16 year-old dream disappear like that. After a few days and weeks she'll be in better shape to get behind Obama 100%. I hope her supporters took to heart just how bad a mistake it would be to have another four years of Republican misrule in the White House.

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 7, 2008 3:01 PM

America's Choice...(to all the insomniacs)


I write this not in jest, but in true respect towards John McCain. I have battled with insomnia over the past 4-5 years. I wake up after 4 hours of sleep and cannot fall back into sleep. Then I sometimes go to bed, hoping that I will fall asleep, but lay there for hours tossing and turning with no hope whatsoever. But all this changed on that beautiful Tuesday, June 3rd. As I watched John McCain speak, I began to relax. I felt bored. Lethargic. Nothing really mattered in this world. I did not understand a word he was saying...but slowly...ever so slowly...he put me to sleep. For the first time in about 5 years, I fell asleep with no problem whatsoever. And when I did wake up 4 hours after...like I usually do...I just turned on MSNBC and watched John McCain speak...and I fell asleep again. Now that is what they mean when they say "We will look after you and make sure you can sleep with no worry in the world"

Fellow Americans, especially insomniacs...think of the great power this man has. Instead of going to war, he can put Ahmadinejad to sleep by just talking to him. Actually if we can infitrate the radio systems of Iran, Iraq, North Korea and Al Qaeda we can let John McCain speak and then just carry the sleeping beauties and put them in jail. We will just win every war! I dont think America will ever again have an opportunity to pick a president with so much power.

When it comes to the economy and the hardships we face...he can put OPEC to sleep and then make them increase the supply of oil and thus decrease oil prices. Better yet, when our people are fighting hard to get the next meal and earn the next dollar...he can put them to sleep and then they wont feel that hunger or will forget their worries. Not to be cavalier about it, but another solution would be to put the workers in China, Korea and the rest of the world to sleep and then export American goods and give our people a chance to compete in a global economy. Brilliant!

Finally, with all the sleeping, we will not have to worry about climate control. There will be no pollutants because obviously everyone would be asleep and then global warming will disappear. And lest we forget...we will be a united nation...a nation united in our sleep.

So Americans...as you think about your choices for this upcoming election. Think about this...who would you rather have? The man who can inspire you to become better and make this country stronger and better within as well as with the rest of the world. Or the man who can put you and all our compatriots and enemies to sleep and thus make the world a better place!!!

The answer is obvious...

Now I am gonna go get some sleep.......MOM...can you play that replay of McCains speech. It does not matter which one...any of them! Bye bye

Posted by: Praveen Jayasinghe | June 7, 2008 2:58 PM

Yes, Hillary gave an awesome speech, I expected it. I will not vote for McCain because I have been a democrat for almost 30 years. But, I will NOT vote for Obama in November.

I feel so strongly that women need to stay united, that if we just fall in line like the media and the DNC wants, things will never change. If we go ahead and vote with the party, then there will be no impact to this primary process that I have so many issues with:

1) the delegate allocation is ridiculous, how can you win a state and lose the delegate vote or just gain a few?
2) caucuses are disinfranchising (I know for a fact my disabled mother and her elderly sisters would not be able to participate in a caucus.)
3) Michigan and Florida was a travesty, without question there should have been a re-vote (Obama will never be the legitmate nominee because of this.)

I am not voting in November for very rational reasons, not out of some emotional retaliation as the media and the pundits claim. Most of my extended family will also be staying out of this election. As anyone who is a parent knows, if you do not follow through on the punishment, they will never learn.

I am disgusted that it took so long for Howared Dean to admit there has been outrageous sexism in this race.

Posted by: ragindemo | June 7, 2008 2:56 PM

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