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Change vs. Experience All Over Again

By Perry Bacon and Jennifer Agiesta
RALEIGH, N.C. -- Welcome to change vs. experience, Round Two.

Speaking at the fairgrounds here at the start of his economic tour, Barack Obama stood in front a banner on which the word "Change" was spelled out in huge letters, with "That Works for You" in smaller print. But weeks before Obama started his general election campaign, John McCain began to try to cast the Illinois senator as a great speaker who has a thin resume and little experience on national security issues.

Though Hillary Clinton and John McCain are very different political figures, in many ways the Arizona Senator's match-up with Obama will resemble Clinton's.

Clinton ran a television commercial emphasizing that she could handle a national security crisis if she was called at 3 .am.; McCain now has a spot called "Safe." Obama attacked "Washington" as he pitted himself against Clinton; he now attacks "Bush" as he pits himself against McCain.

McCain will have one advantage Clinton didn't: a different electorate.

Like Obama, Democratic primary voters were focused on change. In early January, as voting was getting underway, a Washington Post-ABC News poll found 52 percent of Democratic voters said a "new direction and new ideas" were what they were looking for in a president, compared to 39 percent who said "strength and experience."

The proportions held throughout the primary season, with half of Democratic primary voters in states where exit polls were conducted citing the ability to bring about needed change as their top priority. In a Post-ABC poll last month, 56 percent said "new direction," while 34 percent said "strength and experience." (A small number of voters said "both").

Among all adults, however, the Post-ABC polls reveal a more narrowly divided electorate. Both in January and in May, 47 percent said "strength and experience" was more important while 43 percent said a "new direction and new ideas."

But while that metric helps him, McCain will have an enormous challenge on domestic issues. While Clinton and Obama divided Democrats on who would be better able to handle Iraq and the economy, the gap between Obama and McCain on nearly every domestic issue is huge.

Fifty-nine percent of voters in a recent Washington Post poll said Obama would be better able to bring "needed change to Washington," compared to 29 percent who said McCain would. Obama also had a 20-point edge as the better candidate to handle gas prices; he led by 24 points on health care and 10 points on the economy. Just 32 percent of voters thought the GOP would do the best job dealing with the "main problems" facing the country, compared to 53 percent who cited the Democrats.

McCain, like Clinton, is trying to challenge Obama's mantle as the change candidate. He has repeatedly noted issues like climate change and campaign finance reform where he has differed from his party. Like having lived in the White House for eight years, being a long-time Senator will make this argument difficult to make against the much younger Obama, who has spent little time in Washington.

For Obama, the experience question will again loom. Susan Rice, one of his top foreign policy aides, said in an interview Friday the campaign would press an argument similar to the case it made against Clinton -- that "judgment" was more important than "years in Washington."

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Posted by: NoFX | June 10, 2008 2:22 AM AMERICA'S ADVOCATE RALPH NADER.

Ralph Nader -- Age: 74 years (born 27 February 1934) He's older than mcbrainless!! Advocate in what way? He sure as hell is not my advocate!!

Posted by: FloridaCounts | June 9, 2008 10:25 PM has not shown much of his past accomplisments

READ ON:
Those are some of the wonkier things he's done. (There are others: introducing legislation to make it illegal for tax preparers to sell personal information, for instance, and legislation on chemical plant security and lead paint.) He has done other things that are more high-profile, including:


His "health care for hybrids" bill

An Energy Security Bill

Various bills on relief for Hurricane Katrina, including aid for kids and a ban on no-bid contracts by FEMA

A public database of all federal spending and contracts

Trying to raise CAFE standards

Veterans' health care

Making certain kinds of voter intimidation illegal

A lobbying reform bill (with Tom Coburn), which would do all sorts of good things, notably including one of my perennial favorites, requiring that bills be made available to members of Congress at least 72 hours before they have to vote on them.

And a proposal to revamp ethics oversight, replacing the present ethics Committee with a bipartisan commission of retired judges and members of Congress, and allowing any citizen to report ethics violations. This would have fixed one of the huge problems with the present system, namely: that the members have to police themselves.

Get the facts. Adjusted for today's oil costs it is expected the price impact of ANWR oil production would reduce world oil prices only from $1.20 to $2.00 dollars per barrel and would have little impact on the price at the pump paid by consumers.

Source: Energy Information Administration

http://www.eia.doe.gov/

6/17/2008 6:42:17 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 18, 2008 3:34 PM

Instead of "either - or," why not instead vote for RON PAUL? And then you will have CHANGE plus EXPERIENCE. The best of both worlds!

And WITHOUT raising taxes as Obama would do.

Paul is for ABOLISHING the IRS altogether! [among other things].

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Posted by: samuel | June 11, 2008 7:11 AM

Obama's Change vs. McCain's Experience...What change? It is all word...McCain definitely has more experience than Clinton so he has a better chance of winning this battle against Obama.

Posted by: Al | June 10, 2008 2:02 AM
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Can you tell me what McCain will do when he goes on his frenzy, what will happen when gets angry?(Hari-a columnist for The Independent in Britain- writes of McCain: "Rage seems to be at the core of his personality. Describing his own childhood, McCain has written: 'At the smallest provocation I would go off into a mad frenzy, and then suddenly crash to the floor unconscious. When I got angry I held my breath until I blacked out.'")
Do want a persident is stamped out conscious some times? Do you want an other Bush term to extend 4 more years. If consciously do, difinately you are unconscious, brain dead, vote dead. In fact, nothing good is going for him??

Posted by: mali23 | June 10, 2008 5:38 PM

Hate is so yesterday....so all the Obama haters are like yesterdays newspapers... and all your words should be put in the birdcage with those papers....

If all you can do is hate and spew asinine opinions then you need to stop breathing and let the rest of us who are eager to m0ove away from hate, division, and your evils have some fresh air to breathe...

Posted by: easyenough | June 10, 2008 4:41 PM

Where is McCain's so called experience when it comes down to Iraq? Why did he voted for the invation so does Hillary? Experience means nothing if you are not using it. McCain better be careful NOT to azntagonize Russia or China too much otherwise he'll find out soon enough.

Posted by: bigben1986 | June 10, 2008 4:22 PM

Want Change?

REAL Change?

Try; NOT picking from a Spoiled Rotten Basket of Festering Apples!

Congress? We could not have found a WORSE Place on this Planet for our President, than CONGRESS!

We are talking about the exact SAME Congress that has set us up with all the problems we are facing! The Same Congress that BLOCKED Refineries, Drilling, Enforcement Funding to Check Job-sites for Illegal Employment by CRIMINAL EMPLOYERS CHEATING THE SYSTEMS!(Not one syllable about "Immigrants"!).

Think OUTSIDE the Box(Beltway) People!

It is NOT Too Late!

NO CONGRESSMEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

Mitt and Mike, or Whatever!

BUT NO BELTWAY INSIDERS!

BOTH Barack and McCain, ARE the Problems!

NOT, Agents of "Change"!

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 10, 2008 1:28 PM

ob08- LOL! :-D

We are over "Barry's" associations huh?

That, is FUNNY!

Almost as funny as-

"I did not have Spiritual Relations, with that Man!" ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 10, 2008 1:20 PM

How can someone who is so inexperienced, hypocritical, uses extremely bad judgment do ANYTHING for the country no matter what the issue? What we need is someone who knows how to get the job done. The way Washington does business will NEVER change. Get real! Every candidate who runs always says "change and new direction" is what we need. Pooey on that!
We are going down -- we need SERIOUS help now!

Posted by: bevvyjean | June 10, 2008 12:56 PM

Obama is ready to be elected to Jimmy Carter's 2nd Term.

Posted by: Johne37179 | June 10, 2008 12:34 PM

Saint
You are soooooo past tense. People are over Wright and all that trash and lies you cling to.

You are stuck in the past while the rest of America has moved on to "Change that we believe in."

God Bless President Obama!

Posted by: ob08 | June 10, 2008 12:33 PM

Thats it, thats all you have? Sounds like we have a pretty good candidate then. When you find the off shore bank accounts or the millions he has made in shady back room deals let me know. Till then he may be the cleanest guy in Washington and he has my vote. We are counting on you to dig up the real dirt if there is any, not this silliness. Even Hillary with all her henchmen working day and night trying to get something on the guy came up empty. Like it or not Obama is a good candidate. People stopped listening to the silly reverend Wright crap a long time ago. Now get to work and find something real.

========
"Barry's" into "Change" alright.

His relation with Reverend Wright-Changed!
His Church for 20 Years-Changed!
His Ultra-Liberal Track Record-(Supposedly) Changed!-Be ready for more "Change"
His affiliations with many people of Moral Turpitude -Changed?
His message recently to AIPAC-already, Changed!

One day soon I expect him to start turning "Whiter"-Like Michael Jackson!, as the Chameleon in the Empty Suit continues to "Change"!

At just what point can his "Change" be called what it is?

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 10, 2008 10:06 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 12:02 PM

Many posts are interesting and insightful but many are just trolls. Just step over them like you would any other piece of crap on the ground. Most are probably republicans posing as what ever to stir things up. Ignore.

++++++++
Tim - I've heard a lot of stupid comments coming from the bitter and delusional HC crowd but yours. Well, not all are so bitter and delusional but 'to whom it may concern'. 'IF' Obama lost and HC ran in 2012 Do you not believe O would run again too....and beat her 'again' in the primary? That comment takes the case. SHE FOUGHT DIRTY, SHE LOST...GET OVER IT. It's pathetic...I hear this a lot from women but you're a guy...I think.

Posted by: reign | June 10, 2008 9:39 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 11:54 AM

typical white person - you are the poster boy for the result of inbreeding. Leave the trailer park every now and then and take advantage of the 'free education' you say is out there so you can learn to read and get your facts straight. You must be the one who got kicked out of the KKK for mis-spelling it...idiot

Posted by: reign | June 10, 2008 11:49 AM

I guess we can all take pleasure in the fact you will probably be dead soon. Sorry bitter old man you have out lived your usefulness now do yourself and the rest of society a favor and go end your pathetic life. I believe the this may help you out.

http://www.compassionandchoices.org/hemlock/

)))))))))
I'm secretly a racist, but more important to that in gaining an understanding of my character is to know that as a child I was relatively unpopular, and compensated by picking on those more vulnerable than I. Yes, those were some good years...

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2008 8:52 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 11:45 AM

Obama is not supporting reparations.

The idea you're talking about has nothing to do with Obama and it not something he supports.

Try telling the truth for a change. You might like it. Lying to scare people is wrong and it discredits you and McCain both.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 10, 2008 11:42 AM

Another writer wants you to look into the National Coalition for Reparations for Blacks in America. He/she is very fervent about Obama's election so they can get what they demand. I suggest you read it too. Authored by Obama, Wright, Carruthers and others in THE CHURCH. Get ready sweetie, he's going to make us pay up regardless of your heritage. More free money for blacks. I would think that welfare, free educations and health care (that supposedly doesn't exist) isn't enough? I'm sick of paying for something neither my relatives nor I did.

Posted by: Typical White Person | June 10, 2008 11:35 AM

Dianne72, Michelle Obama HAS NOT used the term whitey, and she is not a race bater.

I wish you would stop lying.

The term "they" does not mean white people. "They" means the power structure.

Yes, they keep raising the bar.

Yes, they keep moving the goal post.

Yes, their bad policy decisions are keeping most of us from success.

"They" does not mean white people. It means too many of the people running our country have policies that hurt most of us.

Weak effort on your part. Might want to try telling the truth - it works better than slanderous lies.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 11:18 AM

nclwtk, I agree. I think that is why some older Americans are scared of Obama. He represents something they aren't used to. Since 68 with Nixon the repugs have been using the fear, and divide and conquer tactics. You would hope at some point people would reallyt start to pay attention. As for the women who will vote for MCain, I don't believe it. They talk about sexism being used?? So they will vote for a man that was asked "What are we gonna do about the b!t*h??" To which McCain just laughed.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 10:48 AM

The nattering nabobs of negativism continue to blanket the blogs, often just blowing bull**** out wildly on matters that are clearly off topic.

I dont think it is about change vs experience, I think it is about the future vs the past, and breaking the mold that politics and thinking have been stuck in since the Vietnam war. Just look at the way that young people respond the Obama's message and Obama himself - its their futures that they see at risk.

Change is not the antonym of experience its change vs stagnation. Experience vs youth has the advantage only if that experience is useful in the current environment and that experience has not been superceded by the march of time.

Personally I think we are stuck at a place in time where the majority (i.e. baby boomers) are beginning to be clingers to the past rather than change agents. That is the breach that this country is going to have to get over, just America had to get over its isolationism through WWI and WWII.

Posted by: nclwtk | June 10, 2008 10:43 AM

The people on this post praising McSame over Obama are mostly the same idiots who voted for Bush and in so doing are responsible for the mess this country is in. The republicans have run this country into the gutter and made us a laughing stock all over the world and you are the ones who empowered them to do it. And you sit there after proving how gullible, ignorant and irresponsible you are, and expect someone to listen to your uninformed opinion of who would make the best president. If you voted for Bush -- SHUT UP!! Take your theories and twisted logics and stick them somewhere, you've already proven your ineptness.

If you're a Hillary supporter voting for McSAme you're even worse. You're so bitter you'd rather have right wing conservatives elected to the supreme court, you'd rather have the gov. telling you as women what to do with your bodies. You'd rather watch this great country keep free-falling until it plummets to the point of no recovery because your candidate lost. A candidate who by the way, lost against a man who didn't use any of her tons of dirt against her to win, even though she would not afford him the same civility.

It's frightening to see the level of stupidity and ignorance and gullibility rampant in those who would be given the right to vote.

Posted by: reign | June 10, 2008 10:42 AM

"Barry's" into "Change" alright.

His relation with Reverend Wright-Changed!
His Church for 20 Years-Changed!
His Ultra-Liberal Track Record-(Supposedly) Changed!-Be ready for more "Change"
His affiliations with many people of Moral Turpitude -Changed?
His message recently to AIPAC-already, Changed!

One day soon I expect him to start turning "Whiter"-Like Michael Jackson!, as the Chameleon in the Empty Suit continues to "Change"!

At just what point can his "Change" be called what it is?

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 10, 2008 10:06 AM

It's almost immaterial whether the American people prefer experience or change. Big Media is in a full blitz to elect the Bg O. That will likely be the difference.

-Wm Tate,

http://www.atimelikethis.us/

Posted by: Wm Tate | June 10, 2008 9:53 AM

Tim - I've heard a lot of stupid comments coming from the bitter and delusional HC crowd but yours. Well, not all are so bitter and delusional but 'to whom it may concern'. 'IF' Obama lost and HC ran in 2012 Do you not believe O would run again too....and beat her 'again' in the primary? That comment takes the case. SHE FOUGHT DIRTY, SHE LOST...GET OVER IT. It's pathetic...I hear this a lot from women but you're a guy...I think.

Posted by: reign | June 10, 2008 9:39 AM

Looks like the tin foil is wrapped too tight here..

Posted by: Ann | June 10, 2008 9:19 AM

IF HILLARY CLINTON IS SMART SHE WILL DO ANYTHING TO MAKE OBAMA LOOSE THIS ELECTION BECAUSE SHE CAN BE PRESIDENT IN 4 YEARS FROM NOW.IF MCCAIN WINS THIS ELECTION HE IS VERY OLD HE WILL NOT WIN SECOND TERM AND THIS IS HILLARY'S CHANCE.DON'T GIVE UP THE FIGHT HILLARY THIS NOT ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ANY MORE THIS IS PERSONAL..!!!I WILL PERSONALY VOTE FOR MCCAIN ,BUT I WILL LIKE TO SEE HILLARY IN 4 YEARS FROM NOW.NO WAY OBAMANIA..!!I THINK THAT IT WILL BE BETTER IF HILLARY RUNS FOR VICE PRESIDENT ON MCCAIN SIDE..!!

Posted by: Tim | June 10, 2008 9:13 AM

I do not understand this whole palaver about being experienced and not experienced. Being the president of the U.S of America, one of the most important offices in the human world, is a whole lot of a different ball game from being experienced as a senator, a governor or even a war veteran. You cannot be so experienced to be an effective president until you have been one and even having been a one time president is no garrantee of an effective president in another period in human history. What America needs now is a fresh mind unsaddled with the dangerous preconceptions of the old status quo. Obama, in my own opinion, is divinely anointed to bring an urgently needed change in America and the world. You do not have to elect him, you have your freedom to hate, but disregard him at your own perils America! Quote me any time, any day.

Posted by: Gesundheit | June 10, 2008 9:06 AM

I'm secretly a racist, but more important to that in gaining an understanding of my character is to know that as a child I was relatively unpopular, and compensated by picking on those more vulnerable than I. Yes, those were some good years...

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2008 8:52 AM

Obama is a liar full stop. How can we as American's trust a man who has said in the past in regards to his background and religion that he had no idea where the American people got the notion that he was a muslim. Ahh let's examine this for a minute for all those idiots who believe he can create change, his dad was a muslim from Kenya a well known fact which he never seems to admit to the American people, He's got half brothers and sisters who are of muslim faith and in his autobiography he has said that he used to read the Quran regularly and now because he's running for president he never mentions these facts so how can we TRUST A MAN WHO IS ASHAMED OF HIS OWN BACKGROUND AND CONSISTENTLY LIES TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ,i support McCain all the way because he may not have Oprah(don't get me started on her) on his side but he is a true American who fought for his country and a true patriot who's got the real experience that America needs , ohh and by the way the whole Obama promise on universal healthcare is the same old rubbish that the democrats have been promising for almost a 100 years let's get that straight. The only people that want the democrats in power are Europeans and Islamists who want a man in charge of the US that they can control and play around with because of the inexperience and foolishness, hence that is why Obama is so popular in Europe ,because Europe doesn't want America to remain such a strong and dominant leader and McCain is a real strong leader and that is why they hate him.

Posted by: patriot | June 10, 2008 8:30 AM

Why does McCain get an automatic pass on the Cin C question. I think the most important requirements for meeting the C in C test is self control and judgment. In McCain's case we have him publicly calling his wife a C***. What does that say about his self control or his judgment considering she is the one who pays the bills?

Do you really want somebody with a hot temper having their finger of the nuclear button? Very scary.

Posted by: crazyv | June 10, 2008 7:51 AM

Michelle Obama indeed used the term "whitey". She is a race baiter. Did you see her speech in NC where she was speaking to a mostly black group of voters and kept useing the term "they". "they keep raising the bar". "they keep moving the goal post". "they are keeping you from success". On and On she kept goading the audience and they sounded like they were in church with their replies "amen", "that's right", "uh huh, you know it"...

Posted by: Dianne72 | June 10, 2008 7:24 AM

QUESTION FOR THE Mc Cain-Obama TOWN HALL meeting:

HOW WILL YOU RESPOND TO THE 20 year DEMANDS OF N'COBRA

(National Coalition Of Blacks for Reparations in America) ? ? ?

Note who was the keynote speaker in 2007?
Yes, Obama's beloved minister rev Jeremiah WRIGHT

N'COBRA 2007 Annual Conference Gala:
>>>>>>>>>> A Call For Justice And Repair" featuring Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr !

And this year 2008, coming up very soon


National Coalition Of Blacks for Reparations in America
19th Annual National Conference
June 27-29, 2008
Miami, Florida.

19th Annual National Conference
"REPARATIONS: Redemption, Repair, Restore"
June 27-29, 2008

Following from N'COBRA Homepage...check it out:

N'COBRA: What do we want?

We want our just inheritance: the trillions of dollars due us for the labor of our ancestors who worked for hundreds of years without pay.

We demand the resources required removing all badges and indicia of slavery.

N'COBRA Why do we want it?

We must prepare African people and communities for the demands of the new millennium.

Reparations are needed to repair the wrongs, injury, and damage done to us by the US federal and State overnments, their agents, and representatives.
These have proved that their vision for African people in America is joblessness, more prisons (more killer kkkops), more black women and men in private prisons,
AIDS and violence.

The US Eurocentric educational system has failed to prepare African children for liberation, nation-building, and self-determination.

This educational system produces people who are anti-black; including many blacks who are self-alienated and anti-black.
We want our resources, our inheritance, to do for ourselves without US Federal and State involvement.


N'COBRA When do we want it?

We want it NOW!

We know that preparatory steps must be taken before we can receive reparations even when the US Government agrees to pay us everything we demand.

But NOW is the time to prepare for reparations.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 6:20 AM

From: Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/06/world-will-welcome-obama.html

Tuesday, June 10, 2008
The World Will Welcome Obama

In today's Post, Anne Appelbaum asks:

"Will foreigners accept a black American president?...I realize that this, too, may seem like a rather offensive question, particularly if one believes everything that one reads in newspapers. Germany, to take one random example, is at the moment experiencing something like its own version of Obamamania. The media appear to see the Democratic candidate as what a Der Spiegel journalist calls "a cross between John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr."; the German foreign minister has been heard chanting "Yes, we can!"; and Obama T-shirts can be spotted in the hipper quarters of Berlin. This sort of enthusiasm isn't unique to Germany: British, French and even Polish newspapers splashed Obama and his candidacy on their front pages this past week, most accompanied by laudatory articles that solemnly proclaimed, "America has changed. But has Europe changed? And have Asia and the Middle East changed? I hate to put it so crudely, but -- European newspaper reporting to the contrary -- racism is not unique to the United States."

The world will welcome an Obama Presidency. Nationalism trumps racism, and fear of an extra-national threat trumps such internal biases.

Even in this increasingly global world, nations tend to reduce other nations to single concepts--highly reductionistic and based on media driven perception of current events, and further narrowed by lack of personal experiences (or often research) and by protective impulses. This is human, and we see it here and elsewhere--until the globe is so reduced that such distortions naturally blend into the fuller understanding of more direct experience.

The relief, excitement, and surprise that nations will experience when they find that the current and typically reductionistic extranational concept that Bush equals America is false will override other biases in most of the world--except for those who also exist the world over, whose need for a fanatical hatred is more important than the "better angels of our nature."

There will, of course, be conspiracy theorists who will arise, with their fervent inventions and gap-ridden, convoluted, cherry-picked distortions and "evidence", as they always arrive at moments of change--they, too, even in their anxious desperation and fantasies of control, are canaries in the coal mine of change, however retrograde and pathological. And there will be those, as always, who find safety and security in the blinders and binders of their own personal pasts and traditions, generalizing widely, as they always have, from these to the world.

Most will respond with pleasure and hope--if accompanied by an understandable whiff of suspicion carried by the past, and perhaps a moment of equally understandable chest-puffing self-regard that we have seen the light--an acceptable excess, given the opportunities for restoration and repair ahead.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/06/world-will-welcome-obama.html

Posted by: Robert Hewson | June 10, 2008 5:56 AM

experience is the key word...in third world countries media popularity elected their president with disatrous result for the country.
OBAMA s change are all empty words not different to dictators and tyranical rulers of other countries.
we go for MCCAIN folks...

Posted by: allan beltran | June 10, 2008 5:53 AM

mccain folks is the guy this november..hillary remains the best though she lost to the media,and out of the contest ...OBAMA ? NEVER -

Posted by: allan beltran | June 10, 2008 5:50 AM

It is the McCain Democrats, who will win this election....

Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 5:36 AM

why am i not passionately moved for obama with arguments such as the following:

Obama has a very different vision for America.

He, too, sees America leading the world. But with "Right" not soley "Might".

- that's great, so we won't just force ourselves onto the rest of the world, we'll explain that it is morally justified

We have enough military power, no, military "dominance" to be able to "do the right thing".

- i thought the idea was to put an end to pointless crusades?

Never before in mankind's history has one nation so powerful as to be able to take the high road in world affairs. We are in the position today.

- great, bring back the good old days of colonialism...we can save all our little brown, black and yellow suffering brothering and sisters

We can stomp out Islamic Extremism (the Real Enemy is not in Iraq, by the way).

- so we'll continue to wage a war prefaced by the adjective 'islamic'. newsflash...the real enemy is not 'islamic'

We can act in such a manner as to regain the trust of our traditional allies (re: Old Europe as Rummy called them).

- by pursuing the above? what?

We can provide our fellow American -- 48,000,000 of them -- with the excellent health care the rest of us enjoy.

- you're right. we could. but we haven't and we won't. it's in the system.

We can stem the gross redistribution of wealth that took place under George W Bush.

- whoa buddy!!! i think you misunderstood the gravity of change envisioned. this is america.

Obama speaks to what is Best in Americans. And we are listening.

- calvin coolidge spoke of what is best in americans..."the business of america is business."

McCain's thinking is old news. It is yesterday. It is so last century!

- i suppose neo-colonialism and socialism with a human face are the hallmarks of the 21st century

Posted by: thetruth | June 10, 2008 4:26 AM

John McCain is old. Too many years in a POW camp has softened his brains.

Barack "Liar" Obama is a racist. He will continually seek to divide America under the guise of Change.

America needs an advocate that will fight for common Americans. Enter Ralph Nader, a man whose dedicated himself to fight for the little guy. He will get to the bottom of outrageous gas prices, and will have real solutions to America's problems. No empty words, no false words, no bs, just pure solution and real effort. AMERICA'S ADVOCATE RALPH NADER. Too bad he's not running - yet. Send him emails and implore upon him to take his duty to serve this country.

Posted by: NoFX | June 10, 2008 2:22 AM

Posted by: tomabrahams | June 10, 2008 2:02 AM

Obama's Change vs. McCain's Experience...What change? It is all word...McCain definitely has more experience than Clinton so he has a better chance of winning this battle against Obama.

Posted by: Al | June 10, 2008 2:02 AM

You have been posting the same post for a week

+++++++
Hillary as VP does NOT work for me. I will NEVER vote Obama, not now or EVER whether Hillary is on the ticket as VP or not. Obama is unqualified and unelectable. The democrats are foolish if they nominate him. Really foolish.

The best thing for Hillary, in my humble opinion is to stay off the ticket, have Obama trounced in general election and run in 2012.

In the meantime, let's raise a glass to hopefully the political implosion of Barack Obama BEFORE the DNC convention in August when the DNC will come crawling back to Hillary!

Let the long overdue vetting finally begin!

If it doesn't happen, then vote for McCain.

The Democratic party MUST be held accountable for their failure to denounce the rampant sexism, racism, classism, and voter disenfranchisement continually interjected into this campaign by Obama, his campaign, nasty supporters and ALL media. In fact, the DNC is complicit in disenfranchising voters in Michigan, Florida and elsewhere. It's unacceptable.

Paybacks are hell, but necessary.

If we fail to speak out now, WHEN???????????

*You must do the thing which you think you cannot do* Eleanor Roosevelt


Posted by: j | June 9, 2008 10:30 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 10, 2008 12:08 AM

The tried and trusted...Experience!

Bureaucrats run any "democratic nation" all around the world.

There is no "real" arguement about Obama not having enough credits, nobody doubts his intellect. What I see in Obama is a possibility, a glimmer of maybe what the (others) do not have.

I see the USA as "looking up" from where (she) is, any chance of movement out of the "hole" can't be persued by those that sit in the comfort of the "status quo".

America rolls in "her" history, although the "grandness" was mainly during the second world war. A huge debt...500 trillion, this is not the sign of success!
You have "millions" living in abject poverty, millions more illegally looking for a home and fighting wars that only the "poor" really understand, fight or starve!
If there were a time when things must change, it is certainly now! If Obama is not your hope then you have no future just the same and more of it. You dwell in very "ordinary times" America and that is not what the world "needs" from you!

We need the leadership from the great words of your forefathers!

Posted by: Tony Grant | June 9, 2008 11:14 PM

j - you are another bitter female HC supporter, blaming everybody in the world but HC for her loss. Her lying about sniper fire had nothing to do with it. Her kitchen sink strategy had nothing to do with it. The warped strategy she ran with had nothing to do with it. And while she threw the kitchen sink at Obama he never mentioned ANY of the tons of dirt against her that he could've. He never called her on that lie, nor the criminals her husband pardoned on his way out, nor her criminal acts while on the watergate prosecution team. He was a complete gentleman regardless how dirty and desperate she became, and you have the nerve to actually be mad at HIM. You're nuts, who gives a damn if you vote for him, go sit somewhere and wallow in the fact that the big O will be your next pres. Actually it's becoming funny to me just how deep the bitterness is among your group. I thought after it was over we would all come together but I guess not. Oh well, I really hate if for you. If you feel bad now what are you going to do the day he is inaugurated - leap from the highest mount? HA!! you guys are a joke... love it or leave the under dogs on top

Posted by: reign | June 9, 2008 10:52 PM

Hillary as VP does NOT work for me. I will NEVER vote Obama, not now or EVER whether Hillary is on the ticket as VP or not. Obama is unqualified and unelectable. The democrats are foolish if they nominate him. Really foolish.

The best thing for Hillary, in my humble opinion is to stay off the ticket, have Obama trounced in general election and run in 2012.

In the meantime, let's raise a glass to hopefully the political implosion of Barack Obama BEFORE the DNC convention in August when the DNC will come crawling back to Hillary!

Let the long overdue vetting finally begin!

If it doesn't happen, then vote for McCain.

The Democratic party MUST be held accountable for their failure to denounce the rampant sexism, racism, classism, and voter disenfranchisement continually interjected into this campaign by Obama, his campaign, nasty supporters and ALL media. In fact, the DNC is complicit in disenfranchising voters in Michigan, Florida and elsewhere. It's unacceptable.

Paybacks are hell, but necessary.

If we fail to speak out now, WHEN???????????

*You must do the thing which you think you cannot do* Eleanor Roosevelt


Posted by: j | June 9, 2008 10:30 PM

To qualify to make change, you need experience. It's too bad this is a win-lose contest. I am more concern about Obama since the media, which obviously worships him, has not shown much of his past accomplisments. It gives the impression he may be a huge balloon, filled with air but had no substance.

Posted by: FloridaCounts | June 9, 2008 10:25 PM

Has anyone checked out Mccains calendar for the rest of June? He has 13 fund raisers at like a $1000. a person to get in to as much as $10,000. He has maybe three Actual campaign stops this month. He has had a three month head start and should be way up in the polls just because of that. Yet they haven't even begun to compete and he is already 8 points down. Mean time what do his handlers have him doing for almost a whole month, fund raising. His web site is a joke. I could not even find anything going on near me, No rally's or clubs getting together to plan voting registration drives, nothing. I am in Florida and there are just within 25 mile radius of me, 20 Obama meetings this week alone. My wife went to one and they had 175 people show up just from our neighborhood. Mccains people should have been studying what Clinton and Obama have been doing but they haven learned a thing. Or they just don't care. Mccain is a throw away candidate to the Republicans.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 10:09 PM

Specifics don't really matter, the concept seems to stand up. The public does not consider experience to the be the most important factor when choosing a president. In fact, maybe one of the least. Mccains people should know this as they employ what is a proven losing argument. Even Hillary fell victim to it. It represents someone who can't tell you what they can do for you. It just says "I know more because I have been here longer, you have to trust me". Not a very good thing to ask.

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Please notice that on your list going back 50 years, all of the candidates mentioned had more experience than Obama.

Posted by: Benny | June 9, 2008 9:17 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 9:39 PM

This country is in a mess now and it will only getworse if McCain is elected. Same old shame.

Posted by: Westexacan | June 9, 2008 9:34 PM

I am sure you thought you were saying something profound but it make no sense. Want to try again?

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...humm a candidate who has made up his mind that he wants change at any cost and just like the cigarette smoker (excuse me Nicolette user) who changes brand may find that the change is not so welcome after all.

Posted by: David Foster | June 9, 2008 9:26 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 9:32 PM

...humm a candidate who has made up his mind that he wants change at any cost and just like the cigarette smoker (excuse me Nicolette user) who changes brand may find that the change is not so welcome after all.

Posted by: David Foster | June 9, 2008 9:26 PM

Please notice that on your list going back 50 years, all of the candidates mentioned had more experience than Obama.

Posted by: Benny | June 9, 2008 9:17 PM

I think this gives a good idea as to what Obama is really like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnhmByYxEIo

Posted by: Tim, Atlanta GA | June 9, 2008 9:15 PM

The experience argument never wins, it is a bad stratigy. Even in the work place the guy emptying his desk and leaving with a box full of junk is the guy with experience who is no longer productive for the new guy with enthusiasm and vision. I seriously doubt Mccain even really wants to be president. He has just found himself in a place he seems he wish he could get out of. I doubt this was a life time goal. It would be like Al Sharpton being a candidate for real. He would want to run for the door if he really thought he would be stuck with the job.

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From a strictly strategic point of view, McCain does not have history on his side on this "experience" issue. Look back the last 50 years when a non-incumbent won.

Kennedy/Nixon. Nixon, the VP, had more experience, Kennedy won.

Nixon/Humphrey. Similar experience, but Humphrey's was more recent. Nixon won.

Carter/Ford. Ford had many years in Washington and was already President, Carter had a term as governor. Carter won.

Reagan/Carter. Carter now had 4 years experience as President, Reagan had only been a governor. Reagan won.

Clinton/Bush. Bush#1 had more experience than anyone ever had who ran for President, Clinton had only been a governor. Clinton won.

Bush/Gore. Gore had much more experience than the governor of Texas. Bush won.

Only Bush/Dukakis breaks the pattern, but I do not recall that being an issue as Dukakis was acknowledged to have great command of policy issues

As old Slick Willie used to say, this is a dog that won't hunt.
Posted by: bgjd1979 | June 9, 2008 8:39 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 9:07 PM

De Ja Vou all over again. John McCain's only chance at the Presidency was smoked by GW. Which only goes to show McCain never had anything, and can only copy Bush. Imitation is the best form of flattery. We don't need a Bush pretender, the real Bush was enough.

Posted by: Fareed | June 9, 2008 9:03 PM

From a strictly strategic point of view, McCain does not have history on his side on this "experience" issue. Look back the last 50 years when a non-incumbent won.

Kennedy/Nixon. Nixon, the VP, had more experience, Kennedy won.

Nixon/Humphrey. Similar experience, but Humphrey's was more recent. Nixon won.

Carter/Ford. Ford had many years in Washington and was already President, Carter had a term as governor. Carter won.

Reagan/Carter. Carter now had 4 years experience as President, Reagan had only been a governor. Reagan won.

Clinton/Bush. Bush#1 had more experience than anyone ever had who ran for President, Clinton had only been a governor. Clinton won.

Bush/Gore. Gore had much more experience than the governor of Texas. Bush won.

Only Bush/Dukakis breaks the pattern, but I do not recall that being an issue as Dukakis was acknowledged to have great command of policy issues

As old Slick Willie used to say, this is a dog that won't hunt.

Posted by: bgjd1979 | June 9, 2008 8:39 PM

He is mentally diminished even if not to the depth of Alzheimer's. One leading expert in geriatrics when asked what the chances are Mccain may not be mentally what he once was and is he declining, she answered the chances are 100%. Are we seriously looking at electing a man who is in declining mental capacity and we don't know to what extent he is now or could become The fact is, 4 years at his age is not like 4 years at say 46 years of age. At Mccains age we will have already begun to age exponentially. At the end of his first term Mccain will be only a shell of himself of now. With the pressures of the presidency we may be faced with the removal of a president because he can't preform his duties'. This man can not be elected, I am sorry.

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Experience, plus Alzheimer's = CIA dupe, willing to waterboard prisoners.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | June 9, 2008 8:18 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 8:33 PM

The VP consideration: I notice today for the first day, that the Clinton supporters are admitting that their preference for her dates to when they fell in love with her as First Lady. They admit this when confronted with the choices for VP such as Barbara Boxer and Clair McCaskill, both of whose actual experience dwarfs that of Clinton. So this is about an obsession with a movie star.
Maybe there will be an opportunity for 'transference' if Obama chooses another woman to be VP. We shall see. But this is not about Clinton as a competent person. Her campaign was incompetent. She had money, the Democratic machine, a brilliant husband speaking for her and she lost on her merits.
She was so scared of FOX news that she has never spoken in defense of the Constitution, our lost habeas corpus. She tried a middle of the road approach, because she was already in "general election mode" from the presumptuous beginning of the campaign, so she ignored the educated, well informed part of the Democratic party, and we already were in love with ideas, especially with the Constitution of the USA, and we were turned on when a man happened along who said he would grab it back for us.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | June 9, 2008 8:26 PM

That was great

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his funny little musical parody of a Clinton return to the White House illustrates the fears of "Experience All Over Again."

http://minimovies.com/film-128295-Welcome%20Back,%20Clinton

Posted by: Ozwald Hinkleberry | June 9, 2008 8:10 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 8:20 PM

I agree with you but there isn't really anything that prepares one to be president. What you describe as attributes are what Obama posses and Mccain lacks.

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I can't believe there are actually people out there who believe that experience doesn't matter in the choice for the President of the United States. There are plenty of inspirational speakers out there. Is this the new yardstick for being qualified to be President? What ever happened to knowledge of the issues and the ability to develop and establish a plan? How will Obama manage the change he believes in?

Posted by: Benny | June 9, 2008 8:14 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 8:19 PM

Experience, plus Alzheimer's = CIA dupe, willing to waterboard prisoners.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | June 9, 2008 8:18 PM

I can't believe there are actually people out there who believe that experience doesn't matter in the choice for the President of the United States. There are plenty of inspirational speakers out there. Is this the new yardstick for being qualified to be President? What ever happened to knowledge of the issues and the ability to develop and establish a plan? How will Obama manage the change he believes in?

Posted by: Benny | June 9, 2008 8:14 PM

why are people that dont like obama08 so passionate in their hatred then the only reasons they offer are because hes a big mouth or arrogant or hes affiliated with so and so or any little reason they can find. it just seems so petty

Posted by: bumblebee tuna | June 9, 2008 8:13 PM

I feel sorry for anyone who actually believes that Senator Obama hates white people and Jews. I feel sorry because the system and the land of oppertunity has failed you. This election is too important not to face the real issues. We will have debates with substance in policy and huge differences in the ideas of how to govern in the next four years. My belief is that Obama is the best person to govern this country at this time because he can end the cowboy diplomacy that exists and that McCain sees nothing wrong with. The last thing we need is another maverick. Seantor Obama can redefine our economic policy to better serve more americans. McCain does not understand the desparity the last 8 years have created. I could go on but i won't. please do your homework and look at the policies. Don't get caught up in the false whisper campaigns and smear politics. I don't believe that Obama hates white people and I don't care how old John McCain is. I'll let the policies stand for themselves.

Posted by: commoncents | June 9, 2008 8:12 PM

This funny little musical parody of a Clinton return to the White House illustrates the fears of "Experience All Over Again."

http://minimovies.com/film-128295-Welcome%20Back,%20Clinton

Posted by: Ozwald Hinkleberry | June 9, 2008 8:10 PM

The genius of Obamas campaign so far is a testament to how he can organize and lead. My God, have you watched the unorganized mess Mccain is trying to pass off as a campaign? I obviously am not a Mccain fan but if I was I would be sick having to witness this cluster f**k he has going on posing as campaign strategy. What you can expect to see is in the future is even a bigger mess once they are put under any pressure. You saw it in the Clinton campaign as they scrambled to redefine what they were doing and went down the drain. I still don;t know who Hillary is. The problem with Mccain, is we "DO" know who he is and they are going to have a hard time hiding that.

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leadership requires imagenation an organized vision and the ability to lead not just an ex frist lady or an ex war p

Posted by: saud | June 9, 2008 7:50 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 8:01 PM

leadership requires imagenation an organized vision and the ability to lead not just an ex frist lady or an ex war p

Posted by: saud | June 9, 2008 7:50 PM

Experience doesn't not mean anything. You buy experience. People with experience are a dime a dozen. There are a thousand years of experience walking around Washington that Obama has at his disposal. What counts is judgment and what you do with that experience. Ask any CEO. They don't hire based on experience, they hire the brightest and the best out of collage and these guys are up to speed and surpass the dunce with experience in no time. Mccain is, and I am sorry I have to say this, is just not a smart man and not someone you want making any kind of decision. His age doesn't help either, he was not smart as a young man, and now, forget about it. We need to be scared to death of this guy. He may be if you listen to him one of the most dangerous candidates to run for president in many years. Certainly not one who actually had a chance of winning. How in the world did this incompetent man become the parties candidate? I believe they didn't care, he is just a sacrificial lamb in an election they don't expect to win anyway. You notice he doesn't even have a team backing him. You don't see any prominent republicans out openly campaigning for him. He is poison and they don't want his stink to rub off. He doesn't even have teams in place in the various states. It is like they aren't even trying. He is just a throw away candidate.

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I will never understand the "strength and experience" requirement.

Read your history. Senator Obama's experience as an elected official dwarfs that of Lincoln and Roosevelt. Last time I checked, they did a pretty good job.

As for those that rank high on the "strength and experience" meter: household names like Rumsfeld and Cheaney.

Those who don't learn from the past are destined to repeat it. It's not about how much experience you have - it's about what you have done with it.

Obama gets my vote come November.

Posted by: PJ | June 9, 2008 6:42 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 9, 2008 7:50 PM

25 Reasons Obama Should NOT Invite HRC on his Ticket

It has been said that Hillary Clinton is, and has been from the beginning, the candidate of the angry, while Barack Obama is the candidate of the hopeful. But no one has been more hopeful than Hillary herself. Just when it was finally obvious to Hillary that her campaign to be the Democratic Presidential nominee was over, it instantly morphed into another campaign for the Vice-Presidential spot on Obama's ticket. One must recall that when Obamamania first gathered momentum and polls started showing him the front runner, Hillary Clinton, to everyone's amazement, made it known that she would be "open to" Obama joining her ticket at VP. It's not nice to say, but there seems to be overwhelming evidence that in Clinton's case, ambition trumps logic, the facts, or even personal dignity.

Here are 25 reasons (among many more) why Obama should not invite Clinton to join his ticket:

1. The racist rednecks from among those who backed Hillary in the primaries, won't vote for Obama regardless of who his running mate is.

2. Hillary continues to be one of the most polarizing figures in the history of American politics.

3. Hillary's candidacy would mobilize the Republican base for McCain.

4. Hillary displayed a breathtakingly blatant desire to put her own good above that of her party.

5. Hillary has repeatedly demonstrated astonishing political ineptitude.

6. In spite of how hard she worked, Hillary's campaign was poorly conceived, badly run, and flat broke.

7. Hillary's defiance and refusal to concede on the night that Obama gained enough delegates to win was a political misjudgment of such magnitude that CNN's otherwise moderate Jeffrey Toobin referred to it as "deranged narcissism"

8. For Obama to choose Hillary would be an acknowledgment of weakness and a lack of confidence.

9. Putting another liberal Democrat on the ticket, especially one with the huge negatives that Clinton has among ultraconservatives and Christian fundamentalists would be a gift to McCain.

10. Hillary as VP instead a candidate with military experience would strengthen McCain's argument that he's the most experienced, and most knowledgeable on national security, the war on terrorism, and defense preparedness.

11. While Hillary enjoyed more support from white women, few of them would be likely to defect to McCain and risk their right to choose pregnancy outcomes.

12. Given Hillary's ambitiousness and aggressiveness, she would act more like a challenger than a supporter.

13. Hillary's husband would be hanging around the White House again.

14. Hillary's personal mannerisms, from bug-eyed smiles, to nodding yes after her every remark, to her shrill condescending tone will wear on voters over a long campaign.

15. Hillary's advisers in her inner circle are closely affiliated with unionbusters, GOP operatives, conservative media, lobbyists, corporate image-washing PR firms, and other Democratic Party antagonists.

16. Barack Obama has consistently referred to his candidacy as being about change. That message would hardly be reinforced with a return to the 1990s and government by lobbyists, which is the era the Clintons represent.

17. Hillary will turn off many of the Republicans and Independents that are attracted to Obama, and McCain would get their votes instead.

18. Hillary would take all the juice out of the young people's historic burst of activism and unprecedented political involvement seen as essential to a Democratic win.

19. Hillary would turn off a significant number of black voters who were appalled by her use of the race issue against Obama, and they would likely stay home on election day.

20. Hillary voted on the wrong side of the most tragic and costly mistaken war in American history.

21. Many of Hill and Bill's closest supporters and advisors have opted to support Obama instead of Hillary, including Bill Clinton's national security advisor, the Secretary of the Navy under Bill Clinton, the Asst. Secretary of State for Bill Clinton, and the former Democratic National Committee Chairman Joe Andrew, appointed by Bill Clinton.

22. Hillary's inability to answer a question with "Yes" or "No" even when the questioner takes pains to make absolutely clear that "Yes" or "No" are the only two acceptable answers.

23. Hillary voted for the USA PATRIOT Act, which, in the name of fighting terrorism, unconstitutionally strips U.S. citizens and others of their rights to due process, unreasonable search and seizure, and other basic freedoms.

24. Hillary voted for the No Child Left Behind Act, which continues the assault on American public education by disempowering teachers and local communities in favor of a devastating over-reliance on standardized testing.

25. Hillary was caught in a blatant lie regarding her being in the line of fire in Bosnia.

Posted by: allan hb | June 9, 2008 7:44 PM

Remember....the president does not lead the country alone; Obama will have the intelligence to choose an educated and SMART group of personal advisers and cabinet members, as well as a VP who will be highly visible and productive.

If you wish to change the direction of the USA, vote for Barack Obama in November!

Posted by: Karenita | June 9, 2008 7:38 PM

There are bigots in the world who think much like the first guy who posted here and they're going to vote against Obama out of simple bigotry. I wonder if that thought bothers McCain? I would think it does.

I like my senior senator. I've even met him in person.

I used to like the way he behaves until he started kissing up to Bush.

I'm torn. I think McCain, *before he started kissing up* was an independent man. Now he pretty much wants to do the same thing George Bush would do if he were elected to a 3rd term.

Bush would:
-stay in Iraq.
-Keep his tax cuts for companies
-produce gimmicks on healthcare that don't acutally work
-close the door on negotiation possibilities

All of which is what McSame will do.

I can't help but feel like McCain would be just like a 3rd term for the Bush Administration.

If President McCain would do the same things that President Bush would, then what's the difference???????

Posted by: SonOfHistoryProfessor | June 9, 2008 7:35 PM

IF SOMEONE , A DAY AFTER OBAMA MADE ONE OF HIS BIG MOUTH SPEECHES, ASKED HIM SPECIFICALLY WHAT HE SAID, IT WOULD NOT SUPRISE THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIS EMPTY WORDS THAT HE COULD NOT GIVE AN INTELLIGENT ANSWER. BUT IF HIS SPEACH WRITER WERE ASKED SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER FOR KNUCKLEHEAD.

EMPTY PROMISES AND EMPTY WORDS. HILLARY STAY AWAY FROM THIS NEST OF DECEIPT. DOKNT GET CAUGHT UP IN SOMETHING THAT WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR POLITICAL BELIEFS. LET HIM SINK IN HIS OWN MUCK AND MIRE.

Posted by: LYNN PARKER | June 9, 2008 7:30 PM

Five new state polls were released today, confirming that a number of states (NJ, TX and SC, for instance) should be closer in 2008 than they were in the past two elections. Full poll roundup: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/06/presidential-polls-tracking-bounce.html

Posted by: Dan | June 9, 2008 7:29 PM

Don't believe the empty words that someone wrote for Obama to memorize and deliver... look at what he believes in - what he has been practicing for 20 years... black liberation theology - it names whites and America as the enemy. 20 YEARS! Voting for Obama would be like hearing Hitler rant about his hatred for Jews and then STILL ENDORSING HIM. Yes, Obama's church is anti-Jewish too. Whites and Jews are the new target... and so is America. How stupid could we really be? Can we elect a man who has been studying how to hate whites, Jews, and our country for 20 years?

Posted by: OBAMAHATESWHITEAMERICA | June 9, 2008 7:06 PM

I supported Clinton and now I will support Obama. Democrats need to win in the fall.

Posted by: Obama 08 | June 9, 2008 6:42 PM

I will never understand the "strength and experience" requirement.

Read your history. Senator Obama's experience as an elected official dwarfs that of Lincoln and Roosevelt. Last time I checked, they did a pretty good job.

As for those that rank high on the "strength and experience" meter: household names like Rumsfeld and Cheaney.

Those who don't learn from the past are destined to repeat it. It's not about how much experience you have - it's about what you have done with it.

Obama gets my vote come November.

Posted by: PJ | June 9, 2008 6:42 PM

Lol

Posted by: JakeD | June 9, 2008 6:41 PM

This is not about change and experience. It will be cast that way, but that is only for marketing purposes and simplicity.

These men have two completely different paradigms. The way they see the world and America's role it is diametrically opposed.

McCain is operating under the old paradigm. The way we won WWII. The way we won the Cold War. Spead American influence with the military. Occupy hostile countries. Set up militrary bases in friendly countries. McCain has said as much in what he wants to do in Iraq. He wants to stay there, just like we did in West Germany and Japan after WWII. This tihnking was appropriate in 1950. Even in 1980, it sill worked. Unfortunately for McCain, the world has changed a lot since the end of the Cold War. The PC and the Internet have revolutionized the world.

Obama has a very different vision for America.

He, too, sees America leading the world. But with "Right" not soley "Might".

We have enough military power, no, military "dominance" to be able to "do the right thing".

Never before in mankind's history has one nation so powerful as to be able to take the high road in world affairs. We are in the position today.

We can stomp out Islamic Extremism (the Real Enemy is not in Iraq, by the way).

We can act in such a manner as to regain the trust of our traditional allies (re: Old Europe as Rummy called them).

We can provide our fellow American -- 48,000,000 of them -- with the excellent health care the rest of us enjoy.

We can stem the gross redistribution of wealth that took place under George W Bush.

Obama speaks to what is Best in Americans. And we are listening.

McCain's thinking is old news. It is yesterday. It is so last century!

Obama is our hope to re-vitalize this great country.

We CAN do better.

Posted by: AdrickHenry | June 9, 2008 6:39 PM

This is where Clinton supporters get in. Those who believe that Clinton is the most qualified candidate, will now find McCain as the best candidate given the circumstance. And why not? Obama is an unknown quantity with doubtful character (Rezko, Wright, etc). Given the situation the country is in, I want a steady Eddie at helm, and that is McCain. Lucky guy!

Posted by: CP Cook | June 9, 2008 6:36 PM

see where obama and mccain sit on the big issues:

http://thevote.abc13.com/issues/index.html

Posted by: tomabrahams | June 9, 2008 6:10 PM

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