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Dobson Hits Obama for "Distorting" Bible

By Krissah Williams
James Dobson, a long-time leader of conservative Christians, today accused Sen. Barack Obama of "deliberately distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to justify his own world view."

Dobson's comments, which aired today on his Focus on the Family radio show, come as Obama's campaign plans to launch a broad appeal to evangelicals and Catholics.
Dobson and Tim Minnery, a senior vice president at Focus on the Family, spent about 20 minutes of the show harshly critiquing a speech that Obama gave in 2006 to a group of liberal Christian leaders.

In the speech, Obama argues for religious diversity and acceptance and prods liberals not to cede issues of faith to Republicans.

"Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers," Obama said in the speech. "And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's?"

Dobson said he had just recently learned of Obama's speech and that reading it caused his blood pressure to rise.

"Why did this man jump on me? I haven't said anything near that?" said Dobson, whose comments were first reported by the Associated Press today, which received an early copy of Dobson's remarks.

In response to Obama's contention that religious voters had an obligation to "translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values", Dobson asked: "Am I required in a democracy to conform my efforts in the political arena to his bloody notion of what is right with regard to the lives of tiny babies?"

Minnery told the wire service that Dobson's office had recently been contacted by Obama's campaign for a meeting this summer.

Joshua DuBois, director of religious affairs for Obama's campaign, said in a statement that a full reading of Obama's speech shows he is committed to reaching out to people of faith and standing up for families. DuBois, an Assemblies of God Minister, is leading an outreach effort for Obama that will include thousands of "faith forums" intended to connect people of faith and bridge religious divides.

Dobson, who has not backed Sen. John McCain, has said he is dissatisfied with both major party candidates and has suggested that he will not vote for president this year.

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Comments

Bottomline, Biblical Christianity will continue with or without Obama or Mcain

Posted by: Clifford | July 8, 2008 2:07 AM | Report abuse

obama is a fake christian

Posted by: servant of christ | July 5, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

obama is a fake christian

Posted by: servant of christ | July 5, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

obama is a fake christian

Posted by: servant of christ | July 5, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The frightening thing about Christians is that they "should" have had a return of Jesus eight years ago; but they change the calendar anda events as it suits them.

They also try and affect the dealings in the Middle-East to say "see we told you so!" No religion has the right to dictate the affairs of a country. Religion is something to be practiced in the home.

I've said before, keep your religion in your own home and keep it off the airways, so nuts like Dobson, Graham, Roberts and Baker can't build religious empires that control more than the wallets of their congregations. Come on American when will you grow up and stop believing in fairy tales!? If you want religion rent a Peter Pan movie, it has as much religion as the bible and has a message in the end.

We'll miss you George Carlan.

Posted by: ahsay | June 29, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

CarolTate2,

You say that Cain is the child of Satan and Eve. That is so false. Read the Bible. Genesis 4:1 says,

Genesis 4 (New American Standard Version)
Cain and Abel
1Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."-man child.

Hmm...man? Adam. Child. Cain. Oh I see where you made that out to be Satan and Eve having children. Wait...nope pretty sure your theory doesn't add up. Let's look at other translations.

Genesis 4-King James Version
1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Genesis 4-New International Version
Cain and Abel
1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man."

Genesis 4-The Message Translation
1 Adam slept with Eve his wife. She conceived and had Cain. She said, "I've gotten a man, with God's help!"


Wow! Why would you say something so ignorant? That stinks of Simon Ferguson's bad teaching such as found on angelfire.com. I get angry when people do the type of thing that you did, because it is obvious that you did not spend a great deal of time studying the topic you proceeded to type about. Because of this you misrepresented the scriptures to everyone who read your postings. I think it is obvious that just because someone mentions the Bible does not mean they are a Biblical expert. I encourage anyone who read those comments made by Carole to study for yourself. If you have questions find someone who studies the Bible and LIVES the Bible daily and ask them your questions.

The anti christ doesn't win the world over by acting like he is Jesus. He brings military peace to Israel and it's enemies. 2 Thessolonians, Daniel, and Revelation mention that halfway through a seven year peace treaty that he has led between Israel and it's enemies, he will go into the temple and declare that he is God. He then proceeds to attempt to kill the remaining Jews and Christian converts in the final 3 1/2 years of the 7 year tribulation. Jesus does return at the end of the tribulation to end the violence and sin.


Posted by: Matt | June 29, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Mischanova, Sequoia, Constitution:It's not a dirty word,

Mischavnova, you are correct to say that the spirit of the antichrist is spoken of in 1 and 2 John. The spirit of the antichrist is the rejection or opposition to anything that is truth about Jesus. I will add that you will find mention of this spirit that will be and is active in the world around us in all of the new testament. You need to be careful when making such presumptuous comments about what is right and what is wrong because the books of the Bible I mentioned that talk about the antichrist clearly mention what his character, background, and motives will be. Daniel mentions him in chapter 7, Revelation various times as well but you can look directly at chapter 13, Zechariah in chapter 11:15-17, he is mentioned in Isaiah chapter 14, 2 Thessolonians chapter 2, I could go on and on and on. Your comment was very lacking. My real goal in pointing out the mistake in the first place was not to put someone in their place, but to squash a very erroneous assumption about the character of the Anti Christ. I wasn't mad at the person I was responding to. I was just correcting them. As for you, get your facts straight before you get in someones face about something you demonstrate little to no knowledge about.

Sequoia, yeah... you're out there. Your comments lack substance so badly that they cannot be taken seriously. I have to admit that i have run into very few people who have ever misquoted and misinterpreted the Bible more than you. You are just ranting and not very well at that.

Constitution:It's not a dirty word, I know what you are saying. Here is where we differ. You say that an issue like gay rights and abortion have nothing to do with me unless I personally am going through them. That is very blindly stated. I personally have not gay and have not entertained the thought of abortion. I have family that is and has. Thus, I am very much affected by the issues. These issues are so prevalent now that someone would have to live on a deserted island to not be affected by them. I also don't want my kids being taught these things in school or seeing it in public and being affected by it. Again, see my previous posts to understand that God's character in the Old Testament was revealed to be against homosexuality and abortion (Psalms 139 speaks of God's plans for children even as he is forming them in their mother's womb. All their days were written in His book when one of them had not even come to pass yet.). You made the comment that I am using the Bible to back my points basically saying that I should see my error. You choose to not use the scripture to make your points and my question is this. Don't you see that you are using your personal beliefs (no mention of God, no mention of Bible) to make your points? That was my point in the last post I made. Why do I have to compromise my conservative stance for the sake of people who are doing wrong according to my Lord? Someone's beliefs are going to be enforced regarding these issues one way or the other. The United States you paint a picture of is not real. Someone's voice is being suppressed. It's the voice of the conservative Christians. I am not saying tie gay people's hands behind their back and throw them in the river or the same for women who have abortions. I am saying that there is no reason to advocate for the rights of people who are severly wrong in their actions. I appreciate your dialogue about the subject. It is very informative and again I do see where you are coming from. I just strongly do not agree. I am not replying in an in your face type of way. That is not my character.

It's a shame to see that so few people understand how to have dialogue with one another to convey their feelings. No one is won over by name calling or keyboard shouting as so many have done on this blog. I am sure someone will still find fault with my postings. I will still be able to go through my day just fine. I look forward to more comments.

Posted by: Matt | June 29, 2008 4:08 AM | Report abuse

CarolTate, Cains children were drowned in the flood. None of the sons of Noah were the sons of Cain. You are as bad as the KKK saying that black people are the off shoot of Cain. If you want to talk about the Bible, Read using a Strong's concordance, and the commentaries of the last 500 years, you just might learn something. But about Obama, stop worrying, the President is a yes man for Congress. They run the country. Bush went into Iraq with the consent of the Coungress, which was mostly republicans, Ah yess, our yes man has spoken. History repeats itself. Remember Kennedy (JFK)? The Congress was democrats at the time. Now there is a statement here, but can you see it? Kennedy stood up to the Socialist And the Dems hade him removed. Robert couldn't be controlled either, They got a musslim to do him in. Someone is pulling strings, wonder which fat cat that is. Ed Kennedy watched and learned, but he was framed with a dead pregrant woman. Was he supposed to die too? When he didn't, bribery works wonders doesn't it. Obama's preacher was partly right, but applied the wrong color of skin. Skin has nothing to do with anything, because God said that if the government didn't obey him, then the people would suffer. For more than 200 years the USA lived as it should, fighting only when it was attacked. England suffered at the hands of our forefathers at God's will. Read the religious histroy of that country of those times, you might see something. Every war since WW2 has been money wars. Now, go figure.

Posted by: Tom | June 27, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

CarolTate2,
Your comments on the Bible losing meaning in translation is inaccurate. You make it sound as if each translation uses a previous translation as its basis. It was not translated into English, and then from English to Spanish, and then from Spanish to French. Or was it done using Google Translate :). Each translation is based on the root words using Greek and Hebrew Lexicons.
There is, however, some meaning lost in a translation, which is why it is important to study the lexicons also. For example, the English translations use the word "Love" to cover the various words of passion, emotion, and feelings in the Greek translation. In English, the word "Gift" is used where as in Spanish translations, 3 different words are used to give more precise meaning.

Posted by: OnlyOneWayToHeaven | June 26, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I find it funny that most who claim to be religious do not embody what god is. You are suppose to love others not dislike them no matter who or what they worship. In the end are we not all gods creations. Basically Obama wants everyone to get along and that no religion should be more important than any other. Or else we are no better than the countries in the Middle East who prosecute religions

Posted by: Nate | June 26, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Larry Lnn,
God does love you and desires for all to live with Him eternally in His kingdom, but He's given us a free will to choose what we want. For someone who hates God, it would be hell to have to worship Him forever. The choice is yours. For humans who can't create anything from nothing, we are sure are bold to say there's no God, the bible is made up, etc.
We humans are finite. Were you there when the universe came into existence?
How about when the earth was formed?
The bottom line is that you have to put your faith in something, whether it's the words of a scientist or your own finite understanding. The choice is yours to make.
If there's no eternal life and no consequences for our decisions, then go live it up and do whatever you want to do, because it doesn't matter. No morals, no laws, no absolutes. Even though the law of gravity has to be absolute for us to not float off into wherever, moral laws are excluded.You can live how you want because there's no right or wrong. Go ahead and steal from people, because some people think that's ok. Who cares if it's right or wrong?

Posted by: Paul | June 26, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

George Carlin distills the position of the egocentric, condescending, self righteous leaders in organized religion that rely on radio and television to support their lifestyle:
"Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bulls**t story. Holy S**t!"

Posted by: Larry Lnn | June 26, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

CarolTate2:

You say "when someone chooses not to believe what God actually states"

If you are getting these "statements" from your bible (where else?) then you will have some difficulty proving that those statements are the ACTUAL WORD OF GOD. The bible has been translated and edited so many times that its words cannot be used as a literal tool.

Lets have some fun with translations!

You said:

"The reason for the diversity of Christians is that. when someone chooses not to believe what God actually states [and] does not fit within their personal agenda, they start another church based on just their opinions, for the purpose of personal greed [and] grab for power."

Translated to Spanish it reads:

"La razón de la diversidad de cristianos es ésa. cuando alguien elige no creer qué dios indica realmente el no cabe dentro de su agenda personal, ellos comienzan otra iglesia basada en apenas sus opiniones, con el fin de personal de la avaricia; gancho agarrador para la energía."

That translated to French:

"La raison de la diversité de chrétiens est celle-là. quand quelqu'un choisira de ne pas croire quel dieu indique réellement le il n'entre pas dans son agenda personnel, ils commencent une autre église basée à peine leurs avis, afin de personnel de l'avarice crochet agarrador pour l'énergie."

And back to English again:

"The reason of the diversity of Christians is that when one will choose not to believe which god indicates really and does not remain in step with its personal diary, they begin another church hardly based their opinions, in order of personal avarice and hook for energy."

Wait - is THAT what you said?

***********
Do you see the diminishing returns here? When you use a text that has been passed down, edited and translated over generations, living through languages that don't even exist anymore, how can you possibly think that you can prove that your version of the text is correct? How do you truly KNOW what God "states?" What source are you using for these infallible words that other Christian sects obviously ignore?

By the way, what sect are you - I need to know which one is right.

Posted by: Literal translations | June 26, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Dodson must laguhing all the way to the bank. with all this discourse on a nobody. Anyone that listens to what James Dodson said about Obama and the Bible should remember what Dr. Bruce Prescott of Mainstream Baptists Oklahoma (and a member of the Americans United Board of Trustees), said about him: "Only a fundamentalist demagogue who has made a career of 'manipulating' and 'brainwashing' people to read the Bible through medieval lenses could find cartoon characters teaching tolerance so threatening." He wsrefering to what Doson said about a cartoon featuring Bongebop, Winnie The Pooh, Barney and others about tolerance.
Key words been " Fundamentalist demagogue"

Posted by: enn | June 26, 2008 4:00 AM | Report abuse


10 billion years from now, it won't matter what the world thinks. Why do you care what the world thinks? What is the world doing for you? Why does it matter when you die? Think past this temporal life and think about eternal things.

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Sorry pal, when you're dead you're dead.

Posted by: ML | June 26, 2008 3:59 AM | Report abuse

The Republican strategists have to make sure pastors do not make any comments on Senator Obama. It is just a stupid idea--if you think about McCain's pastor problems: He made a crazy statement about Jewish. Please relax--core Republicans never vote for the Dems.

Posted by: peace4world | June 26, 2008 2:55 AM | Report abuse

Aimee,
10 billion years from now, it won't matter what the world thinks. Why do you care what the world thinks? What is the world doing for you? Why does it matter when you die? Think past this temporal life and think about eternal things.

Posted by: Paul | June 25, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

"We will live in a theocracy one day,
thank God! Better to learn to bow down
and worship Christ now than when you bow down to Him on judgement day, telling Him face to face why you rejected His gift to you of eternal salvation."

Posted by: Paul | June 25, 2008 5:55 PM

Wow...up until now I wasn't sure that what people say about many Americans being crazy religious zealots was true.

And you're confused as to why the rest of the world think you're a bunch of jerks?

Posted by: Aimee | June 25, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

A must watch...Eveyone

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yTp_atr2G9E

Posted by: Obama for President | June 25, 2008 6:58 PM

That's not cool. This is a much better representation of his religious views.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo&feature=related


Posted by: Obama 08 | June 25, 2008 7:06 PM

These are Ridiculous!! Propaganda Videos!! If you want the real truth about his church, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prhnc2fxAzg&NR=1

Posted by: The Real Obama for President | June 25, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

A must watch...Eveyone

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yTp_atr2G9E

Posted by: Obama for President | June 25, 2008 6:58 PM

That's not cool. This is a much better representation of his religious views.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo&feature=related

Posted by: Obama 08 | June 25, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Steve, you are right when you say that Jesus would not be elected to office in our day, because he was killed by his own people for going against their wishes during His own lifetime******** Jesus was persecuted by Kenites that had infiltrated into the Levite Priesthood. These are those who screamed for his death! In case you don't know who Kenites are, they are the children of Cain. Cain was the child of Satan & Eve not of Adam & Eve. read in Genesis 4 or 5 (Pretty close). These chapters describe Cains genealogy & Adam's. They are separate. Jesus sat & talked with these false priests & said "Ye are not of the tribe of Judah, but children of the first murderer"! This is not taught by One Verse Charlies & rachet mouths who use the pulpit for their own personal gain! Is it any wonder so many people don't believe in the Bible & true Christianity...find a true teacher of God's Word.. Please. (BTW the real anti-christ is Satan who comes first pretending to be Christ, Satan will be the leader of the New World Order, the world will be turned over to him cause everyone thinks he is Christ....Jesus comes later!)...Blessings

Posted by: CarolTate2 | June 25, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Obama for President | June 25, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I like that Obama points out that no one version of Christianity is accepted by the rest of the sects. I praise Obama for his wisdom and courage. May all reasonable persons take the time to register and vote.
Posted by: Bruce Becker | June 24, 2008 10:31 PM ********* The reason for the diversity of Christians is that. when someone chooses not to believe what God actually states & does not fit within their personal agenda, they start another church based on just their opinions, for the purpose of personal greed & grab for power. Does any particular church you know of fit that description?????
BTW all reasonable people are registered & will vote......but knowledgable people will not vote for hate mongers........Nobama '08

Posted by: CarolTate2 | June 25, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Um, Matt - anybody who has ever read the Bible can plainly see that Jesus was a liberal, and of course he never said a single thing about abortion or homosexualty. It's pretty pathetic (and telling) that a self-procalaimed, so-called Christian doesn't even know this. Wow. You have obviously never read the Bible or heard Jesus' message in your whole life. Posted by: sequoia | June 25, 2008 1:18 PM **** There's a difference between reading & understanding. Jesus stated "I came not to change one jot (the tinest dot)of the law"...Thus Jesus supports ALL of the Bible & IS NOT A LIBERAL & perforce he IS against homosexual pervertness (God's words)! Blessings......

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but oppressing gays and wanting the government to force women to give birth against their will are NOT family values.
Posted by: zzz1204 | June 25, 2008 11:26 AM ******* Who gets women pregnant? If you guys would keep your toy where it belongs except when two people choose to have a baby...there would be no need for abortions!..... Have you heard of any females going around raping females & getting them pregnant? How many times do males lie & manipulate just in order to get a woman & if she gets pregnant run?...Infamous male words "Are you sure its mine?"....Remove the need for abortions & there will be none unless the life of the woman is at stake! Was your precious bama "celibate" until he "married up"?????

Posted by: CarolTate2 | June 25, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Whom do you believe, Matt or the Pope? Matt is against religious tolerance, the Pope is for it: http://www.christianpost.com/article/20061130/pope-urges-religious-tolerance-in-turkey.htm
You can't believe both the ramblings of Matt and the teachings of the Pope.

Posted by: Jim Daily | June 25, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

We will live in a theocracy one day,
thank God! Better to learn to bow down
and worship Christ now than when you bow down to Him on judgement day, telling Him face to face why you rejected His gift to you of eternal salvation.

Posted by: Paul | June 25, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

The dirty little secret is more people have died at the hands of Christians than at the hands of all other religions put together. The same goes for torture, starvation, oppression, etc. Christianity, its not a religion, it's a cult.

God Damn Christianity!
God Damn the Bible!Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT | June 25, 2008 11:52 AM**** What world are you living in??? Since its inception Islam has murdered more people than the other Religions combined.

FYI, Christianity is NOT a religion it is a reality, a way of life. Learn the truth of God's Word from a REAL teacher instead of one word charlies & rachet mouths who use it for their own evil purposes.

Blessings!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how some people can pick a few verses from God's word & turn it into their own opinion.


"Anti-Christ" the word "anti" in the Bible is Greek which means "instead of" not against. Therefore, it means someone who pretends that he's the Messiah. False prophets are those who do not teach the "truth" of God's Words!


"Thou shalt not kill" was mistranslated from "Thou shalt not commit criminal homicide" which is murder.


God's Word on the Death sentence: "if there are two witnesses make it a public trial & execution..Let the next-of-kin throw the first stone & these things will cease to happen".


Get the original copy of the King James Bible which has the translation notes & errors written by the translators on their errors. If you're going to quote God please do so correctly.thank you... God Bless.....NObama '08

Posted by: CarolTate2 | June 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Matt (and Dobson):

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps knowing that reading it caused his blood pressure to rise. He looks like the type to kill over right there on the stage. Gee I hope that's the correct word " stage", I can't think of anything else to call it.
He said one time how "God has called us to be his representatives in our nation and in our world. Was this when he and the other leader Reed decided how God picked GW Hitler for president,

Posted by: dras | June 25, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The speech is hyperlinked in the text

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Read the full speech and get to your own conclusions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/28/us/politics/2006obamaspeech.html?pagewanted=all

Posted by: itap | June 25, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Paul wrote:

"Romans 1:26-28
Romans 1:32"
__________________

Jesus was a "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." -First Amendment to the US Constitution

Jesus was a radical Socialist, Paul, so obviously if we're going to live Biblically we better move to the Left.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Paul:

*yawn*

You are obviously a little too obsessed with male-on-male action, and clearly the views of ancient Middle Easterners are not the last word on human sexuality and morality. The fact that you are suggesting your fellow citizens who happen to be gay should be put to death highlights your bizarre, fanatical, backwards and anachronistic views about the world. You nutsos are different from the Taliban, how exactly?

Of course all of this is irrelevant anyway in discussions about US politics in the 21st-century. We don't live in a Theocracy, thank GOD.

If you prefer that, please feel free to move to Saudi Arabia or Iran. This is a secular Republic and church and state are separate.

You nutsos are different from the Taliban, how exactly?

Posted by: sequoia | June 25, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Why is what Dobson says even news? He's a hack, and who cares what he thinks?

Posted by: edzo2 | June 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Matt:

Don't you see that you are using personal beliefs (God, the Bible) to make your points? I'm not saying you aren't entitled to them - what I'm saying is the government shouldn't be forced to legislate using only your beliefs, or any one (person, sect, group) for that matter. Of course everyone has an agenda. Of course legislation will affect me in some way. It doesn't mean we should abandon all attempts to make it fairly applicable to all.

And as far as your positions on gay marriage and abortion - again these are issues that do not affect you, unless you are gay, or facing unwanted pregnancy. (I'm not advocating either of them by the way) California overturns the ban on gay marriage and your life still goes on. They did it because there was no GOVERNMENTAL reason to ban it in the first place. Religious reasons are personal - not governmental. The government should not dictate my life or choices. They should deliver my mail, protect my borders, and respect the implicit freedoms of ALL of its registered citizens.

As I said it before, you are free to teach, speak or generally promote what you believe, but the government has no right to tell you what those beliefs have to be. The same goes for me. You and I and everyone else should be subject to the same laws, same benefits, and same justice. As long as everyone pays their taxes (and that includes gays paying education taxes they may never use but still pay out of civic duty) why should you demand that someone change their life based on your beliefs? Are then not entitled to their own opinions, their own beliefs - as you are? Are they less of an American because you say so?

The whole point is that Obama may be for or against abortion, gay marriage, (insert wedge issue here), but what he is trying to get across is that the government doesn't have the authority to say who is right and who is wrong, and certainly shouldn't legislate in that manner. He believes that legislation should be applicable to all. Not just some who feel they are right, but all.

Posted by: Constitution: Its not a dirty word | June 25, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Romans 1:26-28
Romans 1:32

Posted by: Paul | June 25, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Sequoia,
This is why God delivered them over to degrading passions. For even their females exchanged natural sexual intercourse for what is unnatural. The males in the same way also left natural sexual intercourse with females and were inflamed in their lust for one another. Males committed shameless acts with males and received in their own persons the appropriate penalty for their perversion. And because they did not think it worthwhile to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them over to a worthless mind to do what is morally wrong. Romans 1:6
Although they know full well God's just sentence- that those who practice such things deserve to die- they not only do them, but even applaud others who practice them.

Posted by: Paul | June 25, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse


It's pretty amazing. The more the conservative hate machine ramps up its absurd atacks against Obama, the more the people are siding with Obama. The movement in the polls is just remarkable, and it's clear these dinosaurs are using an expired playbook.

Hope is the new hate, and we are very excited about Obama!

Posted by: dAVE | June 25, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

JESUS WAS A LIBERAL

Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist
not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

Justice: Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. [Matthew 5:6] Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy [Matthew 5:7] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. [Matthew 6:15]

Corporate Greed and the Religion of Wealth: In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [John 2:14 & 15.] Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.] Truly, I say unto you, it will
be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]

Paying Taxes & Separation of Church & State: Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. [Matthew 22:21]

Community: Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39] So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you. [Matthew 7:12.] If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
[Matthew 19:21]

Equality & Social Programs: But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]

Public Prayer & Displays of Faith: And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...
[Matthew 6:6 & 7]

Strict Enforcement of Religious Laws: If any of you has a son or a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? [Matthew 12:11] The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [Mark 2:27.]

Individuality & Personal Spiritual Experience: Ye are the light of the world. [Matthew 5:14]

Follow the Truth.....wherever it leads you!


Posted by: sequoia | June 25, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Matt wrote:"The assumption that the anti christ is Muslim is false according to Revelation 13. He is a military man. He has a helper who is second in command that is the religious one. This whole concept of the anti christ being muslim is a myth because the scriptures tell us in Daniel, Zechariah, and Revelation that he will rise from the revived Roman empire."

Get your biblical facts straight, my brother. The anti-Christ is not mentioned in any of the books you cite. It is only mentioned in 1 & 2 John. To be anti-Christ is to go against what Christ taught, a description that easily fits much of the intolerant Religious Right.

As to Obama's remarks, I second those who ask, what exactly was Dobson's objection? Obama asked a perfectly legitimate rhetorical question using a contrast of two preachers and their views to illustrate.

Posted by: mischanova | June 25, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Matt wrote: "Obama and Jesus do not agree on major issues. Namely, abortion and homosexuality."
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Um, Matt - anybody who has ever read the Bible can plainly see that Jesus was a liberal, and of course he never said a single thing about abortion or homosexualty. It's pretty pathetic (and telling) that a self-procalaimed, so-called Christian doesn't even know this. Wow.

You have obviously never read the Bible or heard Jesus' message in your whole life.

Posted by: sequoia | June 25, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Reading these comments easily makes me arrive at one conclusion. Which opinions are foul mouthed and volatile in manner, and which comments are gentle and loving in nature? I sure don't want a president that is supported by the foul mouthed and volatile!

Posted by: catmolam | June 25, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse


To see the complete lunacy of the American right, one needs look no further than James Dobson.

I am so happy we as a nation are finally recognizing such fanatics for what they are.

Posted by: zzz1204 | June 25, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Dobson is the devil. He has usurped the Christian community for his own political purposes.

Posted by: majorteddy | June 25, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Jim, Constitution:It's not a dirty word., Steve Boyington,

Steve, you are right when you say that Jesus would not be elected to office in our day, because he was killed by his own people for going against their wishes during His own lifetime. I am not being sarcastic. I think that you make a good point.

Jim, the Pope contradicts the scriptures if he teaches religious tolerance. I am not asking anyone to believe my words. Rather, I am hoping people will read the Bible and believe God's words. I don't feel angst towards you or any person who disagrees with me, but I felt obligated to actually present truth on this forum to cut through the fat of Obama's swiss cheese theology.

Alan Keyes, despite some really extreme quotes at times was pretty dead on. Obama and Jesus do not agree on major issues. Namely, abortion and homosexuality. I am very aware that even if a man gets in office that votes for or against something that it does not change the way everyone views an issue. If abortion is legal I understand that this doesn't mean that women are all the sudden forced to believe it is okay. Vice versa. It is about the principal of it all though. We need a man in office who stands for truth to set a God fearing standard for our country even if they choose something differently than the law lays out. I am not sure we have a great candidate this time, but i know I will not vote for Obama.

Constitution:it's not a dirty word, all legislation has the potential to impact you in some form or fashion. I understand what you are saying, but I think it is important to note that someone will be in office. That person will have convictions that either agree or disagree with our perceptions of what we know to be truth. Obama has an agenda. Even though he acts like he is neutral, he isn't. He is voting what he believes which is a pluralistic theology and government. I support innocent life being protected. That is why I also am against gay rights, because it is the destruction of marriage the way God designed it (man and woman). The scriptures in Romans call the practice unnatural. I understand that people will still do it. I will not support it nor will I support bringing a child into the mess through adoption and distorting their view of family. I don't support bringing a child into a dysfunctional marriage between a man and woman either, but that is obviously not a platform in this race.

Posted by: Matt | June 25, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

James Dobson,
If the world hates you,understand that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own. However, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of it, the world hates you. Remember the word I spoke to you: "A servant is not greater than his master." If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will also keep yours. But they will do all these things to you on account of My name, because they don't know the One who sent Me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin. Now they have no excuse for their sin. The one who hates Me also hates My Father. If I had not done the works among them that no one else has done, they would not have sin. Now they have seen and hated both Me and My Father. But this happened so that the statement written in their law might be fulfilled: They hated Me for no reason. John 15: 18-25

Posted by: Jesus | June 25, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse


Chloe:

Are you f*cking stooopid or something?

Why on Earth would anybody go to a lunatic right-wing blog for "information?" You can't possibly be serious, but if so, thanks for highlighting the desperation and utter fanaticism of the right, and their HILARIOUS smears against Obama. LOL@ our "great article." You people are complete morons. LOL!

Oh, and sorry but Cindy McCain STOLE FROM CHARITIES while she was a hard core DRUG ADDICT. Not that it matters in a presidential election sice she isn't the candidate, but if you want to play that game, we can play.

Posted by: sequoia | June 25, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The Bible itself is a distortion of spirituality.

The Bible was INVENTED by a group of men who needed a way to control the masses of unwashed peasants and serfs.

But mainly the Bible was INVENTED as a means to trick young men into going to war, not for religion, but really for power, wealth and territory.

It still holds true today. Even Bush himself called the illegal occupation in Iraq a "crusade" and demonizes the Muslim religion.

The dirty little secret is more people have died at the hands of Christians than at the hands of all other religions put together. The same goes for torture, starvation, oppression, etc.

Christianity, its not a religion, it's a cult.

God Damn Christianity!
God Damn the Bible!

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT | June 25, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. This, then, is the judgement: the light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. For everyone who practices wicked things hates the light and avoids it, so that his deeds may not be exposed. But anyone who lives by the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be shown to be accomplished by God. John 3:16; 19-21

Posted by: Jesus | June 25, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Dobson is justing doing what Republican politicians have been doing exclusively since 2002, the politics of personal destruction and the politics of fear.

For Dobson to come out and attack Obama for "distorting the bible" and "having a fruitcake intepration of the Constitution" is pure and simple the politics of personal destruction. Instead of talking about issues that Dobson may disagree with he chooses to hurl insults.

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Posted by: Chloe | June 25, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Just think about the stunning hypocrisy of this clown.

He leads an organization called "Focus on the Family" and he is attacking Obama? Is there a better example of the ideal, nuclear American family and those so-called "family values" than the Obamas? Certainly not any of the Republicans who ran this cycle.

Sorry, but oppressing gays and wanting the government to force women to give birth against their will are NOT family values.

Posted by: zzz1204 | June 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse


Who?

Does anybody care what this right-wing Taliban pig-f*cker has to say? The entire agenda of these wackos is to distort the Bible to promote their backwards agenda, so whom does this guy think he's fooling?

Does Dobson know Jesus was a radical Socialist?

Posted by: sequoia | June 25, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Dobson is just a snake oil salesman who preys on the ignorant and superstitious. He is a modern day Pharisee and has as much relation to Jesus Christ as he does to Willie Nelson.

Posted by: Electric Bill | June 25, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

J Dub I hope you get the mental help you desperately need! I believe I spotted you harassing people in Oprah's forums during her webcast series with Eckhart. You're behaving like a needy troublemaker! Please get help so that you may coexist with others, instead of seeking to destroy others.

Posted by: ispy | June 25, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Obama's point here is that no individual or even group of individuals should be able to legislate the lives of the remainder based on their wishes or beliefs.

More specifically, and as far as the government is concerned, no matter what I feel about a topic of morality - it is not my job, nor my duty, nor my responsibility to impose my views and opinions on another citizen.

You can certainly disagree with one another, but pushing for legislation that governs topics that have NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU is anti-American. It is anti-freedom. It is an attempt to step on those certain inalienable rights we are ALL supposed to have.

If your actions affect someone else, then here is where we cross the line. Laws need to be enacted to protect the freedom of that affected citizen. If your actions affect no one but yourself - the government has no business to be in yours.

Obama has simply stated that the wish of a few to legislate morality to the remainder is not in the spirit of America. Each individual should choose their own path, and the government should be as neutral as possible.

Why is this a bad thing? Some people (even here on this board!) feel that their "morality" should be reflected in federal legislation. They feel that this nation was founded on Christian principles and that the government should legislate according to those principles. This is not just stepping on the rights of American citizens; it is giving them a thrashing to the highest degree. It is dictating their beliefs and in turn, dictating their freedoms.

No thanks. I am a true American. I believe that each and every citizen has a right to their convictions. I believe that each and every citizen should be able to speak their mind whenever, and wherever they choose.

I do not believe that anyone, personally or through the guise of a government position has the right to dictate my personal life to me, or through law forcibly try to reform me, my morality, or the way I interact with my own personal self.

The American government governs all, not just those who feel they are right. Our laws need to be constructed accordingly.

Posted by: Constitution: Its not a dirty word | June 25, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I find James Dobson smug, sanctimonious, self righteous and all around repulsive and have so for many years -- long before I had ever even heard of Barack Obama. Anybody who buys into his rhetoric and rants isn't going to vote for anyone but a far right candidate, anyway or a neocon posing as a Christian. Dobson has not had too nice of things to say about McCain, either. Dobson and people like him think that they have a lock on Christianity and only they have a full and true understanding of the Bible down to every last chapter and verse. One can't challenge Dobson on anything he says without him dissolving into a self serving snit -- just ask George Stephanopolous. And for someone who thinks that Sponge Bob has a gay agenda, yes he thinks that a cartoon character has a gay agenda, Dobson has some nerve labeling someone elses' interpretations as "fuitcake."

Posted by: SandyT | June 25, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I am far from a religious scholar, but it seems to me that if Jesus himself were to appear and run for office nowadays, he would be rejected by both the moneychanger wing and the self-righteous wing of the GOP.

Posted by: steve boyington | June 25, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I can not believe that he would try to do anything to come against this man for speaking sound doctrine. Dr. Dobson comments can be researched and can be verified, however, obama's cannot. I guess i would not expect for him to have a true understanding of christianity when he has set under a preacher who preaches anything but the gospel of jesus christ. What I am really appauled at is the amount of christians that call themsself christians that are voting for this man. he litterally blasphemes the word of god in the name of politics. Obama is nothing more than an anti-christ spirit filled man who makes biblical claims with no understanding. Dr. Dobson is very well versed in scripture with balance. No wonder why the antichrist is going to lead many people astray, b/c many people are not rooted in sound doctrine but rather a itch my ear type sound good and feel good message that is nothing more than a luke warm presentation of the gospel and a doctine of man... Obama gets his gospel from a man JAMES CONE who inspired Jerimiah Wright who in turn lead Obama to Christ, Now check that out. Do a search on James Cone, This man is no preacher of the gospel of jesus christ, his views reflect wrights views in which obama reflects them also...He can not distance himself from any of his spiritual people b/c they have grown in his heart for the last 20 years and think about it, he would still be there if it were not the fact that he was running for president, and will probably return...This man knows nothing about how to run our country , morals, or the bible. He may want to go and sit under a real preacher of the gospel of jesus christ or research it for himself, but he is too arogant and filled with pride to do that.... This man is a Fake and I can not vote for him just becuase he can read a speech prepared by someone else thru a teleprompter...I will never VOTE for him not b/c he is black, but b/c he has no morals.... I think I will take a vacation now and be back in time to make sure that i vote NO to him...PS n I am an african American Women who will not be voting for OBAMANATION!!!!

Posted by: sha | June 25, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Matt, all I am saying is your interpretation is directly contradicting that of the Pope's. Given a choice of interpretation between some Internet person who thinks he knows Christianity and the Pope, I have no hesitation in taking the Pope's interpretation. You can talk until your face turns blue and that is not going to change my opinion or anyone else's. Honestly, you have to be crazy if you really think you know the Bible better than the Pope!

Posted by: Jim Daily | June 25, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Correct... religion shouldn't be the basis of why you vote for someone but... think about it... what you value is going to be what you base your life on... or it should be if you truly value it.

Dr. Dobson has simply told people to think about what they value and look to those leaders who stand for your indiviual values... unlike Obama's pastor who clearly states his political view and does not leave the state out of the church!

You can't tell me that Obama has sat in his church for 20 years and doesn't agree with what his religous leader has been preaching... you wouldn't sit in a church for 20 years if you disagreed with what was being taught.

Clearly I think that Obama isn't sure what the heck he stands for!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Jim,

Jesus is against religious tolerance. It is straight from the Bible. That would mean He would have to deny Himself. He did not call us to hate people from other religions which I do not. I will not pat someone on the back and tell them there beliefs are fine when in fact they lead to the destruction that Jesus talks about throughout the gospels. Don't get mad at a guy who actually pulled out his Bible to put some educated Christian thought on the forum and start calling names. That is the easy way out.

And as for the whole God is made up bit. Either you worship the God who created the universe or you worship yourself or someone else in your life. Someone is making the guidelines for your life. There is no such thing as atheism which is the denial of there being a God. You just may not believe in someone else.

Posted by: Matt | June 25, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

A fine example of Dobson penchant for distorting everything. He whines, "Why did [Obama] jump on me? I haven't said anything near that?" when Obama hadn't said ANYTHING about what Dobson had said. The only thing Obama said with reference to Dobson during his entire speech was "[W]hose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's?" For the sake of his argument, he picked two men who are both Christian but with very distinct understandings of their religions. The only observation about Dobson implicit in his remark is that Dobson's Christianity is different from Sharpton's. Surely Dobson can't take issue with that!

Posted by: Brad B. | June 25, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Christians, muslims and other fairytale believers, lend me your closed ears. Religion is a form of control, nothing more. If there is a God, he certainly doesn't exist in your crazy books. The fact that this issue is always to the forefront in American politics is a cause for serious concern. Even the bible states those things unto Ceaser, so stick to non political agends. The world's a very dangerous place today beacuse of religious nutcases of many creeds

Posted by: godismadeup | June 25, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

@ David Andrew Crosby

I am tired of all these people who claim that religion has caused all the suffering and ailments in the world. Religion has often been used as an excuse for war and other atrocities, but it has never been the cause- the cause is greed, ambition, and hatred. If religion were absent, people would still kill, steal, and destroy- they would just find something else to justify their actions.

As to your demand that Christians produce God out of their hats- I don't really have the time to answer that. If you are truly interested in a logical explanation of the existence of God, read some C.S. Lewis or G.K. Chesterton. However, I am willing to bet that you won't.

It's getting late, and I'm finding myself identifying with this cartoon:

http://xkcd.com/386/

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A logical explanation of the existance God? Oh boy thats a classic. I shall read your book list when you read Richard Dawkins.

Posted by: ML | June 25, 2008 4:36 AM | Report abuse

It is absolutely "Sad" to see a bunch of so-called Christian believers judge this guy who has been more successful at been faithful to his wife and a great father to his children than those who's comments we see within this site.

Dr. Dobson is a "Fool" he is the type of individual our Lord, Jesus ordered to get behind him but not in this manner. More like: "Get behind me your brood of evil doers". He knew their hearts just as he does each replying person on this site. He knew the Jewish leaders would hand him over to be crucified and yet he forgave them (at least those who truly repented), and he always forgave the politician, tax collector, prostitute and so on. So, why is it that Christian leaders and proclaimed followers are the first to want to "Cast stones to those who don't agree or speak their lingo? Perhaps is because there is a lack of intelligence in the Christian community. Perhaps they ought to read more from the Songs of Solomon for he was wise in his ways and God honored him.

So, stop! Don't be judgmental and stupid! Use your brains (Dr. Dobson and followers) and analyze what Senator Obama said before you throw the first stone! Remember...God will make sure to judge each one of us individually.

Thanks but don't speak for me!

P.S. Read the facts in the Bible, and find that God, in His mighty power and love gives us all a choice. So, if a woman decides to abort, she will be responsible unto God but if you counseled her and tried to change her mind than you may win her over. Just as our precious Jesus spoke about winning your brother over-not by casting stones at him you fools!

Doelman

Posted by: Doelman | June 25, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

I encourage all of you to follow the link to the actual speech. It is incredible to see a politician really discuss honestly an issue with such depth and nuance. Clearly many of you here have not read it in its entirety. It clearly states and discusses that separation of church and state is needed not for secularism but to protect all religions. Obama also states that this does not mean that a religous person has to "leave his religion at the door of a government building". He challenges all of us to be more tolerant and understanding. He gives a great email that caused him to change his web site from a person who is pro life to post his position of pro choice in "fair mindedness". Overall watch all 5 parts of the speech on YouTube. The response by the evangelical crowd is extremely warm and receptive to Obama's keynote speech. If you really care about this issue. See it or read it but do not besmirch by a sound bite by a person with a political grudge.

Posted by: Brian | June 25, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Whom do you believe, Matt or the Pope? Matt is against religious tolerance, the Pope is for it: http://www.christianpost.com/article/20061130/pope-urges-religious-tolerance-in-turkey.htm
You can't believe both the ramblings of Matt and the teachings of the Pope.

Posted by: Jim Daily | June 25, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Island1953,

The assumption that the anti christ is Muslim is false according to Revelation 13. He is a military man. He has a helper who is second in command that is the religious one. This whole concept of the anti christ being muslim is a myth because the scriptures tell us in Daniel, Zechariah, and Revelation that he will rise from the revived Roman empire.

He will indeed by charismatic, but according to the scriptures there will be a one world religion. Islam does not fit the bill. It is too polarizing. What religion does fit that bill? How bout the one that says everyone's religion is good. It's good for you and this is good for me. I won't judge you. You don't judge me. This is the exact religion we are seeing put into the minds of our children and fellow adults everyday on tv, radio, and except byt the grace of God in our schools, homes, and churches. Oprah, Bono, Obama. These are some of the ring leaders of this catastrophic movement. The time is soon.

Posted by: Matt | June 25, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

** what would Luthor do? **

Too bad this isn't a parody site, complete with parody responses. Amazing how silly this looks to an outsider who finds the big-3 monotheisms totally laughable.

What a non-existent culture hero "Jesus" would or would not have done is irrelevant. As irrelevant as what Zeus, Sherlock Holmes, or Superman would have done?

Haven't we had enough bible worshipers indulging in mere scripticism? -- What they say has no more intellectual value than geeks parsing comix at a Batman convention.

Sen. Obama wants to reach out to fundies? He'll be fortunate not to lose his forearm to the great beast. Really, pearls before the swinish. He's carried hypocrisy too far already.

As for Dobson and his odious sound-alikes: their church-enterprises should be taxed. Stop state support of religious frauds and con men.

Here I stand, I can not do otherwise.

bipolar2

Posted by: bipolar2 | June 25, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Matt wrote: "God hates the teachings of other religions."

Sorry, I am a Christian and I refuse to accept that my God believes in hate. Not sure how you can call yourself a Christian if you believe in hatred.

Posted by: Joe Kerelin | June 25, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh my goodness, people like Matt below really scare me. He is against religious tolerance? Do me a favor, Matt, and listen to the Pope. The pope is for religious tolerance. People like you have no place. People like you are just like G.W. Bush who choose to start Crusades against Islamic nations rather than working for a peaceful world where people accept each other regardless of their own personal religious beliefs. Well, at least it is abundantly clear what some people stand for!

Posted by: Jim Daily | June 25, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Lee,

My answer to your question is that someone who identifies themselves as a Christian leader most certainly would not compromise the truths that they know from the scriptures and vote or act in a contradictory manner just because someone doesn't agree or know the Lord. We don't cease to obey the teachings of Christ around unbelievers just because they don't believe it. I understand that because they do not have the Spirit of God they cannot by nature obey the Lord or honor Him, but there is a sanctifying presence that God calls us to have no matter what the cost. Shadrach, Meshach, and Obednego did not bow to the image of Nebuchadnezzer in the Old Testament and God absolutely didn't want them to. They demonstrated to the king that they would not live that way and it caused the king to give thought and praise to the One true God. Christ called for radical change among people and still does. He calls for people to come to Him and to leave their lives of hopelessness and meaninglessness. That is what He did for His entire ministry. He held people to the perfect standard. He didn't lower His standard on behalf of the people's sinfulness and try to meet some ambiguous criteria of morality. He set the bar so that people recognized their imperfection and hopefully would run to Him. That's why it is crucial that we have a president who preferably is a man of God, but if not at least promotes the things of God pro life and anti-gay rights.

What I am saying is that it makes no sense for a believer to vote yes to abortion and gay rights, but to not believe in that personally. God didn't lead them to that decision. Their fear of the masses did. These are men pleasers it calls them in the Bible. My concern with beliefs when examining the correct candidate is that Obama is trying to convey to the public that he has an association with Christianity which at the core of it all He does not serve the same God I nor many others do. Our God is not a pluralistic God and would never be in favor of abortion or gay rights. I don't want him having a hand in the death and destruction of the families of America (killing babies and promoting dysfunctional homes).

Posted by: Matt | June 25, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

There's something VERY interesting going on this election year. I'm a Republican, and I'll vote either for Obama or Bob Barr. I've already contributed money to both campaigns.

And the Obama campaign is reaching out to Christian Evangelicals, right under the noses of their reactionary church elders. No wonder Dobson is spitting mad! Most evangelicals are good people, and not all are going to be easily manipulated by wedge issues going forward. Courting this religious segment is political genius.

As I said, something INTERESTING is going on. I'm too cynical to think that Obama will be able to create much change in Washington, but I WANT change. I'm not buying into the fear-mongering of the extreme right. I think Americans want change, and we're no longer buying the BS.

Posted by: Marcos El Malo | June 25, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Obama strips the very core of Christianity away when he comments on the need for all religions to work together. Christ never called for this and always stated that the world would hate and persecute those who stood by absolute truth. Namely that all religions of the world are false except Biblical Christianity. The thing that makes Obama so repulsive to me is that he takes scripture verses and makes them no more significant than the words of godless men. You are not a Christian because you believe some of the words in the Bible. A person is a Christian because they believe that Jesus Christ is their only hope for salvation from their sinful flesh and desires. Christianity is being a Christ follower which is not in the least bit possible without complete submission to the truth that He is the only hope we have.

The Bible was not written as a moral compass for men to take from as they chose. It is meant to be lived by in fullness. When Obama talks about stoning children and not eating shellfish as he quotes Old Testament law, he reveals his on misinterpretation of the Bible. The Old Testament law was written by God as a complete tutor to the Jewish people. It was to show the people that they could never be good enough to achieve His standard of holiness apart from His (God's) mercy and grace. True Jewish believers understood this and offered sacrifices as a means of not completely covering their sins, but as an expression of need for forgiveness. This was a way of saying I know that I need your grace, because I am really messing up despite my greatest efforts. They sacrificed temporary sacrifices in the interim as they waited for the One (Jesus) that the Bible noted as the Ultimate Sacrifice. When Jesus came he fulfilled every single portion of the law down to the last letter (something only God incarnate could do) and He became the sacrifice that the Jewish people cried out for in the Old Testament by taking the sins of past, present, and future humanity upon himself (He didn't sin, but He bore it's consequences on our behalf). He rose from the grave on the third day after His death because He had conquered sin. He did not fall under the consequences of sin which is spiritual death because He didn't sin. So He had the power over death. It tells us in the new testament that His sacrifice made the law void and that we are no longer under law, but under grace. Nevertheless, God's character never changes. What we take from the Old Testament is although we are not required to sacrifice the blood of bulls and goats, God hates sin. God hates abortion. God hates sexual immorality both homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual. God hates the teachings of other religions. The reason He hates the teachings of all religions other than Biblical Christianity is that they undermine the diety and messianic character of Jesus Christ in some form or fashion. Rather than teaching that Christ is the only hope to free man from the bondage of sin that he is enslaved to, all religions teach either a mixture of Christ forgiving sins and man being responsible for some of the process too, or man being good enough (will never happen). We will never happenstance be good enough to meet God's perfect requirements. That's why in His mercy He sent Jesus to do it for us. That's why all religions other than Christianity are false, they leave it up to you or some mythical thought or good person's teachings. Those things are empty clouds promising rain, but never producing.

Bottom line. God never volunteered Himself out of politics. Man took Him out and we are suffering the negative consequences of that and will continue so. To all of those who complain that Christianity has no place in politics, my question is, "what teaching of Christ has ever called you to live in an immoral way?" The answer to that is simple. It is not that God in politics would force you to live an immoral life. It is that you like immorality so much that you don't want to be told you are wrong. Abortion is murder. Sexual immorality is wrong. Always has been according to the scriptures and always will be.

Posted by: Matt | June 25, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Don't worry about it. God will take care of it, right? Why limit ethics to just the bible? Is this all we can draw upon? I am concerned as to the framing of your question as well. Why is "your" moral judgement of another human being's "spirituality level" the preferred criteria?

I am a Christian with solid evangelical credentials. Graduate of one of the best Christian colleges, member of some very well known evangelical churches wherever I lived, even a short time as a sort of "missionary" in the former Soviet Union.

Our faith has two sides. One side is the issue of ethics and morality.

The other side is the issue of redemption. Redemption (or salvation, if you prefer) is rarely a matter for discussion in the public square. We ask only that governments give us the right to teach and preach, reach out to others so as to help the Holy Spirit lead them to faith. To every evangelical, that is the most crucial side of our faith.

But it is the other side of the coin, the call to live holy lives in an ethical and moral way, which gets the most discussion in the public square.

If you stop and think about what we believe in the area of morality, the Bible teaches us that because of our salvation / redemption, we grow in grace and thus develop the spiritual strength to live holy lives. Without that work of the Holy Spirit within, a person probably is not able to live up to God's standard.

Moreover, we as Christian recognize that even those who know something of that spiritual strength are travelers on a journey of Christian growth. The moral choice we might be able to make today is not necessarily one that we could have made and sustained early in our spiritual journey.

I am not setting any position on any issue here, but just asking a question I believe is worthy of some thought.

Here it is.... How do we frame our laws and our society to be fair to those who do not have the grace of that inner spiritual strength and even to those who have only begun the life of spiritual growth?

Posted by: Lee in Florida | June 24, 2008 11:51 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

That's rich. Dobson accusing someone of taking the Bible out of context to support his political views. I believe that's what's known as chutzpa. Too freaking funny.

Posted by: ROFL | June 25, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

island1953 said: "religion is what this country was founded on"

Perhaps you missed the part in the constitution about separation of church and state and freedom of choice of religion, or perhaps you just have difficulty distinguishing imagination from reality. Either way, you're a nut case!

Posted by: Jason | June 25, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Most of these comments were referred to in Revelations. For those who don't know or don't believe, or even care... the book of Revelations was God's primer for the end of days, where he said the Anti-Christ would try to bring down the earthly world. Most of what Revelations foretold is happening now. Wars, strange weather and natural phenomena, etc. He also said the Anti-Christ would be a Muslim, and be very charasmatic. Obama has NOTHING but charisma going for him. So explain to me why people are falling in droves in front of his feet???? Above and beyond the religsious factor (which I believe is a crucial component to this topic), show me...someone please show me.... what accomplishments Obama has made as Senator. Prove to me that he has the best interests of this country in his heart. He hasn't, nor has he cared to show, that he does. People are taking simple comments by Dr. Dobson and trying to turn them into something else. Why are people so threatened by people of faith? Because of guilt. Because deep in their heart they know those people are right, and they're damned mad that they feel exposed. Christianity is not about guilt or exposing feelings of regret. It's about acceptance, love for every man, and sharing what we know Christ wants everyone to know. The Bible tells us we must not change or corrupt what The Word says. Maybe Dr. Dobson was just trying to remind Mr. Obama of that. Regardless of what has been said here, I feel Dr. Dobson felt in his heart that he had to say something about what he perceived from Obama's remarks. Frankly, nothing I've read about or seen from Obama sparks me to support. In fact, quite the opposite. To those who would say to keep politics and religion apart, I would remind them that religion is what this country was founded on. You don't like it...leave. Walk around Washington DC.... you'll see references to the Bible at just about every step. And in the meanwhile, may God Bless and open your heart.

Posted by: island1953 | June 25, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

@ David Andrew Crosby

I am tired of all these people who claim that religion has caused all the suffering and ailments in the world. Religion has often been used as an excuse for war and other atrocities, but it has never been the cause- the cause is greed, ambition, and hatred. If religion were absent, people would still kill, steal, and destroy- they would just find something else to justify their actions.

As to your demand that Christians produce God out of their hats- I don't really have the time to answer that. If you are truly interested in a logical explanation of the existence of God, read some C.S. Lewis or G.K. Chesterton. However, I am willing to bet that you won't.

It's getting late, and I'm finding myself identifying with this cartoon:

http://xkcd.com/386/

Posted by: sferrari17 | June 25, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Again Republicans, watch your back: Senator McCain's former pastor made a horrible remarks on Jewish--if you want to win in FL.

Posted by: peace4world | June 25, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty well convinced that the cult of christianity has done enough bad things to mankind and to the Earth to last us a few more centuries. Hey Mr.Dobson show me gods signature naming you his rep here on Earth. Or better yet let us have his phone number so we can talk to him ourselves. Just as I thought. You can't because he's dead and not making a comeback any time soon. We need EARTH, NOT JESUS.You are just another Ted Haggard. If you can't produce his holiness, go away!

Posted by: David Andrew Crosby | June 25, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Also, thanks to Lee in Florida for representing the Christian view in a way that doesn't make us sound completely senseless. And to those who are constantly bashing President Bush, I have a thought for you-

Do I believe Bush has handled our country in the best manner possible? No. However, I think that our nation should consider the views held by our grandparents- the greatest generation. They believed that patriotism and support for the President is a duty of every American. Ever since LBJ, the American public and media has abandoned this principle, and has instead attacked the political process and it's leaders constantly. Once a leader has been elected, complaining does absolutely no good. We as a people need to support the people we elect for better or worse- if you don't like the job they do, vote for someone else in the next election. In the meantime, hindering them at every turn and preventing any good whatsoever coming from their term in office is NOT productive.

Posted by: sferrari17 | June 25, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Keep it up, James. Your loony remarks only help make it more certain that Barack Obama will be our next President and you will fade into the obscurity you so richly deserve. Choke on it, James.

Posted by: David S. Robins | June 25, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

I find the breadth of opinion in the comments fascinating. It's interesting how much people can reveal about themselves in a paragraph. Some of these comments have really rubbed me the wrong way, so I would like to contest a few of the statements made so far.

First, I would like to address all of those who have referred to Dobson's 'flock' with phrases like 'easily manipulated' and 'his weird little choir'. As someone who has listened to Dobson on many occasions, I find it insulting that you insinuate that everyone who listens to him is an idiot. I believe that he has some very good ideas in regards to family dynamics and family values. However, I disagree with him on many issues in regards to politics. His public views, no matter how skewed, do not detract from the value of the his advice in other areas.

Secondly, to those who maintain that everyone in the GOP is an idiot. As a seventeen year old, I have already experienced enough of life to know that people on both sides of any issue- be they Republican or Democrat, Christian or Atheist, or whatever else- can be morons. If you claim that everyone who holds a certain view is mentally deficient, you automatically place yourself in the moron category. Just because someone holds a different view from you does not mean that they are not entirely without merit.

To the atheists who have posted, and especially the one who said all people who believe in God should be in mental institutions: I think you qualify as an 'intolerant atheist'. More likely than not, you are part of the group that attacks Christianity viciously without regards to logic. Probably my favorite comment from people of your caliber is how intolerant and ignorant Christians are.

I've already written a novel, and I'm sure I could go on for another hour about the issues that have surfaced in the forum. However, I would like to leave you with one more thought. If you are using broad generalizations that insult an entire group of people, you are ignorant. If you maintain that a viewpoint is completely and totally without merit, you are wrong. It is time that people realized that in the real world, there can be more than one right way to solve a problem, and that the task is to pick the best one. People should also realize that far more often, there are only wrong solutions to an issue, and the task is to pick the one that does the least damage. If you can't understand these principles, at least don't post your views on forums where everyone can see just how ignorant you really are.

Posted by: sferrari17 | June 25, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Dobson, you're no anti-Christ, much as you try. But you are a hypocrite.

Since you are not voting this year, you have no room to complain after the election.

I wish that was all that was required to get you to shut the hell up.

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT | June 25, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

George Bush has not saved one person's a$$ in 8 years, in fact he has done quite the contrary. i.e. infinite war in Iraq, Afghanistan and the middle east, Exxon Valdez getting out of paying the people who suffered and are still suffering, black water (corporate army that doesn't pay taxes in the us), Enron (did you forget, the government did), 911, the environment, international relationships, student loans, veterans, the economy, the recession, the stock market, the dollar, home ownership, the UN, student loans, to name a few things that he has f'd up... oh wait, he did save a bunch of rich white men's pocketbooks that are located near their a$$, and filled them with the blood and sweat of the lower and middle class. He'd better save his own ass soon, impeachment, prison maybe in the future. I love how people can be so macho when they are separated by cyber-space. Anyway, go Obama!!! He is the most intelligent sincere candidate that we have ever had in the history of the United States. He has my full support.

Posted by: rob in austin | June 24, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

I am a Christian with solid evangelical credentials. Graduate of one of the best Christian colleges, member of some very well known evangelical churches wherever I lived, even a short time as a sort of "missionary" in the former Soviet Union.

Our faith has two sides. One side is the issue of ethics and morality.

The other side is the issue of redemption. Redemption (or salvation, if you prefer) is rarely a matter for discussion in the public square. We ask only that governments give us the right to teach and preach, reach out to others so as to help the Holy Spirit lead them to faith. To every evangelical, that is the most crucial side of our faith.

But it is the other side of the coin, the call to live holy lives in an ethical and moral way, which gets the most discussion in the public square.

If you stop and think about what we believe in the area of morality, the Bible teaches us that because of our salvation / redemption, we grow in grace and thus develop the spiritual strength to live holy lives. Without that work of the Holy Spirit within, a person probably is not able to live up to God's standard.

Moreover, we as Christian recognize that even those who know something of that spiritual strength are travelers on a journey of Christian growth. The moral choice we might be able to make today is not necessarily one that we could have made and sustained early in our spiritual journey.

I am not setting any position on any issue here, but just asking a question I believe is worthy of some thought.

Here it is.... How do we frame our laws and our society to be fair to those who do not have the grace of that inner spiritual strength and even to those who have only begun the life of spiritual growth?

Posted by: Lee in Florida | June 24, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Norah,

If the first English Bible translations catered to people in power, why were Wycliffe and Tyndale persecuted by authorities for attempting to spread their translations, and why, just a few decades after the completion of the "authorized version" under King James was his son put to death by a group of people who were some of the Bible's most ardent believers?

Posted by: blert | June 24, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

James Dobson's ''Focus on the Fascists" and the rest of the pre-Enlightenment gang of evangelical self-deceivers need to be escorted to the nearest psychotherapy unit. Obama is just as philosophically blind as all the others, however, if he insists on a irrational supernatural impetus to confronting the world's ''Devilish'' problems. Only the egalitarian application of economic and social science can solve the myriad of threats the world actually faces i.e. global warming, arms race , sexism, racism, hunger, homelessness... et al . The advocates of '' End Times-Armaggedon '' Theology have already created Hell on Earth due to their wretched indifference to planetary suffering and their neglect of Human Rights.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Why not say 65,000,000 Iraqis (see...I can make up numbers too)

Our Military has freed over 60 million people from tyranny. What? Would you rather these people live under a tyrant like Saddam or the Mullah Omar. Jeesh.

George W. Bush...saving your ass whether you like or not punk!

Posted by: 65,000 Iraqis | June 24, 2008 10:55 PM
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Mullah Omar? In Iraq? I think not. Iraq was a secular dictatorship. Osama bin Laden and al Queda had no presence in Iraq until we invaded. The 65,000 figure is the one that is accepted by most news organizations now. Frankly, I think it's on the low side. Probably Iraq Body Count is more accurate http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

And speaking of numbers where did you get the freed 60 million people from tyranny figure? Iraq's population is around 28 million, although several million are living in exile again.

As for GWB saving my a$$ - I think the little punk should be looking out for his own self, as his war crimes come into light.

Posted by: Joyce | June 24, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

HEY MAL...
I guess those midwestern farmers who got flooded out were SINNERS too?!!!

Posted by: Joyce | June 24, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Why not say 65,000,000 Iraqis (see...I can make up numbers too)

Our Military has freed over 60 million people from tyranny. What? Would you rather these people live under a tyrant like Saddam or the Mullah Omar. Jeesh.

George W. Bush...saving your ass whether you like or not punk!

Posted by: 65,000 Iraqis | June 24, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

jt...
Does it "break your heart" that over 65,000 Iraqis have died due to the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq? Are you as concerned for those innocent children who were killed in this unecessary, ill-conceived, botched Iraq war and occupation? You shouldn't have to search the bible very far to learn "Thou shalt not kill" applies to the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war.

Posted by: Joyce | June 24, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I also say that James Dobson Does not Speak For Me:

http://www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com/

Posted by: Mark Ahearn | June 24, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

spare us this righteous fool, DOBSON THE TALIBAN.

All the myths about "THE CHRIST WHO SAVES US" were first made up about Appollonius of Rome, not Jesus. Later they were all said to be true of Alexander the Great, the mere general.

Jesus' actual word is ONLY to be found in Q1, the lost Gospel.
All the NT taught today has been superseded by more accurate MUCH OLDER, teachings found in caves and churches, where they were hidden after they were declared heretical by the emperor Constantine who was Sainted for giving the new spin official status. BS.
Jesus was killed for saying "I and the father are ONE", and so cowards then said it was only true of Jesus and hide from his real teaching, THAT ALL OF US ARE ONE WITH THE DIVINE PERSON.

No one is SAVED by the murder of a famous person.
Alexander the Great's death was just a death.
For years, people were taught that 'belief' on ALexander would Save you.

The premise of being saved by pagan ritual murder of the central figure of a cult, including later drinking the ceremonial blood of the slain, is all a lie, a myth and a ton of baloney and even though 27% of the population believes they are SAVED just for thinking Jesus' murder buys them a free pass into God's heaven, it is not now nor never will be so.
And therefore the rest of us take it poorly when morons like Dobson preach some teensy variation on the themes of Christianity and want to be known as special, distinguished and RIGHT. Sure.

B. S. Lord save us all from theocracy. Cant Dobson just become a member of the Taliban and issue FATWA's?


Posted by: bruce Becker | June 24, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Tolerance is not defined as Acceptance

Posted by: Think Deeper | June 24, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I like how Obama attacks the military by trying to use the Bible...for instance...the Sermon on the Mount:

"a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application."

Maybe O.Hussein Obama should read this line again.."thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain."

Posted by: To Bruce Becker | June 24, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this a riot .Here i was thinking we all have the right to express our feelings and thoughts. One extreme hates Dobson and the other hates Obama..Now thats diversity.I will defend both Men their right to express themselves...and i am as far right as they come.

Posted by: jns | June 24, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I like that Obama points out that no one version of Christianity is accepted by the rest of the sects.

I praise Obama for his wisdom and courage. May all reasonable persons take the time to register and vote.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | June 24, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: To Bruce Becker | June 24, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I dare you to read this.

www.pocm.INFO

Posted by: Bruce Becker | June 24, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Jesus said you will always have the poor. Why is it when democrats want to "give" they want to do it with our tax dollars? Cut taxes and charitable donations will go up...read your history. All your slurrs against republicans can be placed on democrats as well.

Posted by: To Independent | June 24, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Amen! Religion should never be in the political mix in this multi-spiritual country.


What happened to TOLERANCE among people of this nation?

Posted by: Mangomamma | June 24, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I can fully understand why some true Christians, who sincerely believe in the teachings of Jesus, as written in the Bible, would not vote for Democrats. However, I do not understand why they would vote for most Republicans whose agenda is primarily: helping the wealthy become richer, neglecting the needs of the poor and needy, favoring corporations, undermining efforts to protect the environment on our planet earth, supporting aggression against other countries. Jesus, in his teachings in the Bible, would not have supported such an agenda, he would have been strongly opposed.

Posted by: Independent | June 24, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I can never vote for someone who beleives it is okay to rip babies out of their mother's wombs. I really am searching and reading the bible about war. The Iraq war I don't know I am very torn. Should we have gone in are we doing the right thing as a country. Our soldiers are very brave young men and it breaks my heart for everyone who dies young as so far away from home. Then I think of World War II and how we brought and end to so much destruction by the Nazis.

Posted by: jt | June 24, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who agrees with partial-birth abortion apparently has "character flaws" that can't be over-looked. Of course, that is just one thing about Obama that doesn't seem right to me.

Didn't Obama mentioned how the gas prices just aren't "going up slowly enough"?

It's no surprise, really, that Obama is being exposed as he should be. He'll basically do, and say, anything to become the next president...

Posted by: Derrick | June 24, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

James Dobson Does not Speak For Me Either:

http://www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com/

Posted by: Bill Peterson | June 24, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

It's so SAD that all of you believe in the garbage that Obama puts out and if you are in your right mind you would not even think of Voting for this so called Christian.

As far as Mr Dobson, he is so right on about Obama and it's about time someone starts spreading the truth about him!!

Posted by: RightOnDobson | June 24, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

HEY NAZ:

YOu made the comment about "thunderbolts"...
WHAT do you think of these 8000 lightning strikes here in California... the SAME EXACT Week that California enacted GAy MArriage?/./ particularly in Super liberal SAnta Cruz County and in the bay (or should I say " gay" ) area???ad

May God have mercy on this nation and on us all...

Posted by: mal | June 24, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Leviticus 11:10

Leviticus 25: 44-46

Is Obama wrong? No. Its scary that he knows more about the Bible (Buy-Bull) than James Dobson. For Gods sake!

Posted by: McKenzie Tittle | June 24, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

If James Dobson really wants to make an impact with his Focus on the Family show, he might compare the family values personified by the behavior of the two main presidential candidates.

Posted by: FirstMouse | June 24, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

James Dobson Doesn't Speak For Me:

http://www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com/

Posted by: Nice Person | June 24, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

hey, bill, if God is going to strike bible-mockers down with thunderbolts, how come all those tornadoes and thunderstorms always happen in bible country, and not in the Sodom and Gommorrah places like LA, San Francisco, and NYC?

Posted by: naz | June 24, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Obama 2008!

Posted by: Joe Williams | June 24, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Americans is that they do not read their bible much less understand it. That is why the bible is used for good and evil. Dobson, McCain and the Phil Grahams of this world are dangerous men. Mr. Dobson is a so called spiritual intellect and he claimed Obama distorted the bible when, in fact, he did not. He quoted it accurately. For once the Dems are showing that they are the ones that actually believe in what the bible says, i.e, help and love they neighbor etc. unlike the repug thugs who use the bible for financial and political gains. Mr. Dobson is a sad, sad case for a religious leader. It is preachers like Mr. Dobson that distorts the bible and that is why you see millions of people going into various churches on any given Sunday only to come out the said demon that they walked in. Believe me when I tell you that 99.5% of the preaches are going to bust hell gate wide open. They are parasites feeding off the poor and needy so that they can live a life of opulence. No one has a lock on God. We are all sinners striving to be our best selves.

Posted by: Angel | June 24, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the light. No one gets to the father except through me." He came into this world with a message of peace and forgiveness, but he predicted that the truth about him will set father against son and mother against daughter. This was not his wish for mankind, but a reality and prophecy of the future. It wasn't he who did it, but the people who rejected the truth about him because he saw in them their own hardened hearts that made them unable to receive the truth. The truth of the creator of this world.

Posted by: Brotherinchrist | June 24, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Mr Dobson - Many, including me, would argue that you distort the Bible to cater to YOUR own world view. Some historians and linguists argue that the very English translation of the Bible catered to the world view of the powerful at that time. Perhaps everyone needs to stop using the Bible, an important part of our culture and in some cases beliefs, as an excuse for hatred and exclusion.

Posted by: Norah | June 24, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Sid: Right! Jim Crow, segregation, suppression of women, back-alley abortions, internment of loyal Japanese Americans, cold-war red-scare blacklisting, ah, yes. Those were the great old days!

Posted by: Sid |

Today is sooo much better...the first generaton to have a life expectancy less than their parents, 2/3 americans are in debt, 10% of americans have diabetes because of obestity. Yes, I never said 60 years ago was perfect. I said people thought more about another person's view than they do today.

i do notice that you are very similar with Dobson in your ability to distort a sentence to suit your needs.


Posted by: Inverse137 | June 24, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Very simple solution to this problem. Obama only needs to talk to GWB, then Georgie will talk with G_D to get the whole religion and bible mix up all smoothed out. Perhaps G-d would have a spare moment to contact Obama as well!

Posted by: LYNN PARKER | June 24, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama has no business talking about the Bible when HIS distorted mentor borrowed view of the Bible applauds hatred for our country and racism towards whites and Jews. His spiteful theology is a disgrace. He drags the Bible and all races through the gutter by endorsing racism and hatred for others.

Posted by: Nora Lee | June 24, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Alot of talk of tolerance, but most of what I have read is NOT. Practice what you preach people, instead of attacking another mans character, just because he doesnt agree with you.

Posted by: Tony | June 24, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

George Bush is against abortion. No doubt a lot of American christians voted for him because just like me they abhor abortion.Due to George Bush Jr 's reckless decision a lot of people including children have lost their lives in Iraq.

Posted by: Brian Musah | June 24, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Religion has no more business in politics than a jackass in church. It seems as though we have an over abundance of them in our churches.

Posted by: Old Coot | June 24, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

thank you James Dobson for your discernment and accurate understanding of Obama who's views on abortion, and killing babies is enough for me to say he will not be voted for by me. I think James Dobson hit it right on.

Posted by: colleen trumbo | June 24, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

ForestLaker, you're an idiot just by your last comment about Obama and Osama and how the spell checker asks you for correction of it. Don't you know that names once added to the dictionary they are shown as correct! You Idiot! What came first the chicken or the eggs? What happened first 9/11 or the candidacy of Obama? You're total ignorance and more!

Posted by: Hlule | June 24, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

The "Christian" crowd is a potentially dangerous one. They are strong on religious talk and religious show and quick to draw swords and spill blood over religion.

The Christians are more of a divisive, judgmental, overly proud clan, than a helpful group of humble, useful human beings out rolling up their work sleeves to make the world better, without showing their religious stripes.

Not one bit surprising they are after Obama who acts with his intellect and not some blind religious ideology, like Bush and friends.

Dobson, an Iraq war supporter, is one of them.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I am a Black committed Christian who has a Library full of Dr Dobson's books including such titles as "Love for a Lifetime", "Love Must Be Tough" etc.I have always respected his views enormously although I long ago noted that they were often coloured by his White Anglo-Saxon Middle class prejudices.I believe he is sincere but probably unable to appreciate other christian's view points.You have to remember that this is a guy who was a young man in the sixties when Black people were far more marginalised than now. He represents the last generation of White Christians who consciously or unconsciously believe that Blacks should be seen but not heard.

Posted by: Brian Musah | June 24, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I like Dobson overall. But it sounded like Obama was just pointing out that there are many disagreements even within "Christianity." He was saying Dobson's views were different from Sharpton's. Why would Dobson get mad about that?

Posted by: Ben | June 24, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Just FYI for those interested... Many writings here & w/ those that were banned from the "Bible."

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

Posted by: Wolf | June 24, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

OH FOR CHRIST'S SAKE....DISTORT THAT!!

Posted by: benighse | June 24, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Everyone reading this should study the history of Dobson. Upon doing so, you will realize, he does not represent what is highest in humanity. Rather, he is clannish, irrational, and just another religious egoist not really doing anything good for humankind. Who cares what Dobson thinks. Instead, go talk to someone who does volunteer work for the sick and aging or Peace Corp. See what these generous souls have to say about all Dobson's ego-driven, bible turf-war talk that doesn't ammount to anything of value to the human race.

Posted by: Robert Lancaster | June 24, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Above all we are looking for someone with reality based thinking for President.

As for me, Dr. James Dobson has been trustworthy influence on our nation. He is a faithful husband, father, and Christian man.

While I have considered Senator Obama one thing that speaks of his character are the people supporting him. Former President Clinton, and Oprah. The values of character for a president need to be stable, sure, something we can point our children to as a model.

As for me I will not vote for Senator Obama, he appears to vasilate and be uncertain.

Posted by: gragan | June 24, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I am a Spirit filled Christian WHITE woman who is voting for Barack Obama. James Dobson and his type make me sick to my stomach. He is nothing but a rich preacher who got that way off the backs of the average person.

Posted by: Hungryeyz | June 24, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Not to get off subject here... Anyone (besides me) ever thought it was strange that some books were allowed to be used to construct the "Bible" and some were disallowed?

Think about that and then ask yourself this question...

Why?

Posted by: Wolf | June 24, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

forreal4 wrote: "The Holy Bible is true and never ever contradicts itself"

There are many, many contradictions in the bible. One can use those contradictions to make the bible say almost anything you want. That is the reason that so many charlatans and snake oil salemen are out there preaching for profit, pushing peoples' emotional buttons, (fear, money, anger) Those same people claim the bible says that God wants you to be rich (if you give to the church); God wants you to be white (if you're in the Klan); God wants you to be healthy (buy our church vitamins); and so forth.

Fact is, the "church business" has a vested interest in keeping people ignorant of the real truths about the bible - that it was passed down as oral history for generations, sometimes over a hundred years, before ever being written down, much less translated into english.

Posted by: SpeakTruth | June 24, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm....why not promote Native American or Celtic beliefs and values within the "political sphere."?!?
Better yet...lets just keep religion in general completely out of politics altogether!
Here again we have an undertone within this country where the dominant religion, and those who follow that faith, have this incessant need to dictate their belief structures and morals onto every else. Until they get their way they are never happy and certainly never satisfied. It's all about YOU and never about anyone else is it??? You are ALL the same regardless of how moderate, conservative, or liberal you profess to be!

Posted by: Wolf | June 24, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Dobson is an idiot. Everything Obama said was exactly right and I think most Americans agree with that. Obama wasn't even attacking Dobson as Dobson seems to think, he was just using him as an example of widely divergent views even within the Christian religion. Obama says we need to adhere to Separation of Church and State and respect people of all beliefs, which Dobson of course disagrees with. Why is the press giving a megaphone to this quack?

Posted by: Jeff | June 24, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

As a fundamentalist christian, I could not agree with Obama's side more. Everyone has a right to interpret the bible and we need to find a better dialogue within christianity to find consensus with what is the way to represent "Christian" values within the political sphere. What is clear to me is that all Fundamental christian doctrine should lead toward forgiveness and humility, which is something that Dobson's brand of religious vomit seems to miss.

Posted by: Dobson is the distorter | June 24, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Dobson's rants are like second-hand smoke.

Keep your poisonous musings out of my face and out of public discourse.

Posted by: LaVelle | June 24, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

re Inverse137 "The America of our Grandparents was great...people united and worked together."

Right! Jim Crow, segregation, suppression of women, back-alley abortions, internment of loyal Japanese Americans, cold-war red-scare blacklisting, ah, yes. Those were the great old days!

Posted by: Sid | June 24, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

If Dobson was really focused on the family, he would support rediscover the compassion of Christ. He would lose his anger and self-righteousness.

He would re-read and live by the Sermon-on-the-Mount.

Posted by: Bob | June 24, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

This is the man who said "most people only take 5 minutes for sex". A complete delusional nut who lives in his own little fairyland. And this is the man who advises on the family?? Dobson needs to go into the desert and never come back.

Posted by: Richard Bentley | June 24, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

To the many on here who have mocked the Bible, You should be real careful around thunder storms. I just hope that you realize what your headed for and following obama (who i beleive to be the anti-Christ) and that crowd is going to get u.

Posted by: bill | June 24, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Once I was xtian ~ when it was forced down my throat when I was younger. Then I grew up and began to think for myself. I embraced my Native American and Celtic heritage...which means I am spiritual, however...not religious. I believe in the male (Great Spirit) and female (Great Goddess) aspects of nature and empowerment. Personally I think all organized religions (which are basically male dominated, female subservient) are a bunch or crap and have caused this planet enough pain and suffering...especially those who pull the strings and hold the power. Look @ all little GWB has done to screwed things up along w/ his cronies for the past 8 years. Dobson is just another turd in a very large pile of them and they have this problem about allowing others to believe what they want and live how they want. However, this is nothing new as the Holy Roman Empire did it to my Celt ancestors in the British Isles and then the Puritans and Evangelicals did it over here to my Native ancestors all over again. Ultra religious conservative xtians and all others that follow that evangelical mode of thought basically s/u/c/k and I am very tired of listening to them all. THEY are why this country, and the world are in the state it is in...regardless of WHATEVER faith you aspire to follow.

Posted by: Wolf | June 24, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The anger and criticism that many have displayed on this board are very Biblically uneducated and demonstrate very little knowledge of the true point of Dobson's ministry.

Like it or not God called His true followers to live by His words. There are truths in the scriptures that are difficult to completely grasp, but abortion, homosexuality, and Jesus being the only way to salvation are not. The scriptures plainly state them. God's stance does not change on these crucial principals just because it isn't popular among people that don't follow Him.

God didn't call us to back away from truth to win the multitudes.

Posted by: Matt | June 24, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Poor Dobson! The real problem here is that a recent survey suggests that 92% of Americans believe in some form of religion. It seems George Carlin despite his efforts just wasn't able to reach a lot of these people. More importantly, why is religion a factor in our politics? Isn't it time to take the "holy Books" out of our political discourse? My fellow Americans, you can continue to believe in Santa Clause and all number of imaginary beings, but don't think this gives you license to mess around with my country.

Posted by: CharacterCounts1 | June 24, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

All citizens of the world have a right to their beliefs,that is not to say those same beliefs should be incorporated into the political spectrum, that is what houses of worship are for.

Posted by: Terri | June 24, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, let's rip on Dobson cause he's a religious guy. But if it's Jesse Jackson or the Rev. Al Sharpton spewing their idiotic rants, well, that's just their prerogative. Obama and McCain are both used car salesmen con-artists that *both* try telling the other side "we're there for ya buddy" but they're both full of crap and dishonest. The question is, do we let Obama get in so we can try and get over the "American can't elect a black man" issue so people finally shut up (even though I'm sure this still won't satisfy most people when he runs the country into the ground) or do we elect the lesser of incompetent evils in McCain who's offering 300 million to the person who invents a better car battery. Pretty cutting edge McCain. I'm sure the automakers aren't already dumping capitol into that area. Maybe we should contract Al Gore to invent the lithium ion battery (or let him claim to anyway).
Funny how the spell checker prompt to change Obama to Osama. There's a Freudian slip for ya.

Posted by: ForestLaker | June 24, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Dobson is obviously good a getting free publicity. It would be interesting to see if his attack on a two-year-old speech by Mr. Obama produces a spike in donations to his Focus on the Family organization.
According to data at http://ecfa.org/MemberProfile.aspx?ID=5152 (and linked to from Focus on the Family) Mr. Dobson's organization has lost money in each of the last three years. The Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (EFCA) says that FotF had revenues of $144.9 million in 2007, against expenses of $147.9 million.
Not a bad gross for a radio preacher, though not up in the $400 million range with Pat Robertson. But Mr. Dobson can't keep up losing money forever.

Posted by: Jonny Swift | June 24, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama spoke in Waterloo, Iowa last fall and the question of religion was asked by a gentleman who wanted to know what kind of government would he have if he were elected president. Mr. Obama replied without hesitation, "I know one thing, it won't be a theocracy.

I said thank God!

Posted by: lizpoole | June 24, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Major Hypocrisy from people like Dobson...
these folks will twist and turn the Bible's meanings (which are interpretive and subjective anyways...) for their own purposes...what a load of crap...

Posted by: Matt | June 24, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I think it's time Mr Dobson stands up and take a hard look at himself in the mirror.He is gone off the edge.....like many of his philosophy who have sold us into the slavery of reckless government...the type we have now.I will suggest to him that he keeps his mouth suht, go fast and pray for 40 days and 40 nights and try to hear God telling you what really needs to be done.

Posted by: dave | June 24, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that mixes religion and secular politics has to distort one or both. Mr Dobson simply does not do justice to the truth. He would be quite at home with Rove, Bush, Cheney, McCain and Delay. This has been a dangerous time for our country. I pray that we have the strength to change this.

For those who do not see spirituality as one of man's needs this may be incomprehensible. James is an abomination because of his false protestations of sanctity when he is nothing but a political bully, just like His Republican cohorts.

Posted by: Gator-ron | June 24, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama's comment that those of faith should have universal viewpoints on issues shows that he does not understnad the separation of church and state, as the constitution writers intended it. The separation is to keep the STATE out of religious matters, NOT to keep people of ANY religion from expressing their faith-based views.
I hope he will retract the statement, or explain what he meant.
He also should go out throwing names of respected leaders from any faith or race around so haphazardly as to create offense. This was poor judment on his part, but maybe he just had a bad day.
One other comment is that hsitorically speaking, good judgment is what is needed by a President, not good use of the Bible.

Posted by: bruce | June 24, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Forreal4, there is no such thing as a "chronological" Bible. And I could walk you through the contradictions chapter and verse, if you like. As a Christian, I find your limited viewpoint highly offensive.

And yes, J Dub, please read Matthew, especially where Jesus tells you not to pray in public or on street corners "like the Hypocrites do" by this standard, EVERY Television and Radio evangelist is a hypocrite. Matthew Chapter Six, by the way.

Posted by: Mike Luoma | June 24, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

This election is NOT shaping up the way Dr. Dobson wants it.

He can't stand John McCain (and won't vote for him); it now seems like he doesn't like Barack Obama, either! OsiSpeaks[dot]com

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | June 24, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Still Believing in Absolutes writes, "We are squandering our cultural heritage in the name of the selfish desires of the lone individual."

Most of the primary authors of the Constitution were not Christians at all, they were Deists who did not believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. The Creator mentioned in the preamble is the god of nature, not of Abraham. The original colonists were mainly Puritans, but they were not instrumental in our independence or the foundation of our government. Our laws are based on Saxon common law, which existed for two hundred years before Christianity was introduced among the Saxons. The Treaty of Tripoli, which was passed unanimously by the Congress, and was also published in the Boston newspaper without causing any protest, states unambiguously that the United States is in no way founded on the Christian religion. I strongly suggest you find yourself some good history books, preferably not written by David Barton.

Posted by: Chip Matthews | June 24, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

the question is whether Dobson believes he is God's representative on earth. He obviously knows better. Glad he lanced that boil early on... draw a clear distinction by engaging the Satan slash God nutty thing.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | June 24, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Women do not bare children out of duty, but out of grace! Think about it, and be grateful!

Posted by: Grace | June 24, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The Holy Bible is true and never ever contradicts itself. By a chronological Bible and look at the event and the writings, that all add up. People are often afraid of the truth, but your sin will find you out. The truth will make you free. jeseu is mentioned in the begining of the Bible, when the Lord Thou God sai let make man like us, when he said what he created was good, he was talking to Himself, but to the son, and the heavenly host. I know the Holy bible is true, because my life has been part of the very wwritten word, I was a Quad, now I am Healed, I was once a sinner, now I am saved by graace, When I ran with angry peopl, I got in trouble, All of this stuff is in the Holy Bible, I can walk, talk, eat, use the bathroom, and do anything possoibe, because of the mercy this Holy Bible spoke about to me. Let us pray for one another.

Posted by: forreal4 | June 24, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

JL said: "It's sad to see this man manipulating religious folks for his own political reasons."

I disagree with you. It is sad to see that people are so easily manipulated.

What happened to critical thinking in this country? American is not the greatest country in the world anymore. The America of our Grandparents was great...people united and worked together. Now we belittle and divide. We follow instead of challenge.

What happened to the mantra of question authority? Challenge the status quo?

When did it become more important to have an expensive care and a flat panel TV than to be right and honorable?

This country was great. Now it is a joke, a laughing stock.

Posted by: Inverse137 | June 24, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what a religious fanatic has to say about anything? They're the ones who are distorted. According to them anyone who doesn't believe in their twisted philosophy is as good as dead. Nobody's interpretation of The Bible (A book of fiction that's full of contradiction) has any place in governing a society! There is no democracy without separation of church and state! It could only work to rob us of our freedom, and keep us at war! I'm fine with people believing what they want to believe, but not with anyone forcing another to conform to her beliefs. If these religious fanatics were truly content in their beliefs, they would feel no need to judge or condemn anyone else. Misery certainly loves company!

Posted by: iamthatiam | June 24, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

We must vote, regardless what Mr. Dobson who was part of the president's religous community. If we don;t vote then w are taking away freedom, and not being responsible to our government, is that bibical? NO We cannot notlive peaceably with all men unless it is part of us. So we will have debates, and disagreements, but don't sway the American voters to ignore a right that cost the lives of many people. We must vote. You must vote, or you have taken away your own freedoms. I don't know about Obama's religious belief, I do know if he is elected he will need prayer and wisdom to carry this nation.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

There is not many interpretations of Jesus' word. It is very direct and concise. Everyone has God's moral code written on their souls whether you believe in him of not. How else would you know what right and wrong is? Everyone is so caught up in "me, me, me" Selfish pride is the worse human characteristic we ALL possess. All these posts are, "what I think, What I believe, What I want." God has a plan for everyone's life and its perfect. Give the glory to GOD the Creator because no one creates themselves. You came from some where and it's bigger than your mother and father it's from our Heavenly Father. He love's all of you as his children, Obama, Dobson and everyone else. He desire's a relationship with everyone. Please read the Bible, I suggest starting with the Gospel of Matthew, before commenting on the Bible. Educate yourself on the subject before trying to comment on it's teachings. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: J Dub | June 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

It's sad to see this man manipulating religious folks for his own political reasons. I hope that they can see through him.

Love and peace were Jesus' message, NOT preemptive wars and 'trickle down' economics.

Shameful.

Posted by: jl | June 24, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who offends me more: James Dobson, or the idiots that listen to him.

It is a toss-up really.

There comes a point in your life when you really just have to punch someone in the face and tell them that the are an un-educated idiot and an embarressment to civilization.

Why we humor these idiots I will never know.

Posted by: Inverse137 | June 24, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

awadd - you ask a question that i've been wondering about for the last 8 years.

Posted by: gskrptr | June 24, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Dobson should stick to tirades about Sponge Bob Square Pants and the underground movement to make all children homosexual. Clearly this is a man funneling directly the word of God. How does some right wing fringe nutjob continue to make the news and be taken seriously by so many people???

Posted by: awadd | June 24, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

James Dobson has been distorting the Bible for his own ends for years. His statements today underscore the patent ridiculousness of his brand of "fundamentalism". If one has to take every word of the Bible literally, one cannot pick and choose from Leviticus, you've got to take it all. If one takes the Bible literally, every word, well... many of those words contradict each other. St. Paul, for instance, tells a completely different story about the post-resurrection appearances of Jesus than we find in the gospels.

Ultimately the Bible simply cannot be taken literally, word for word, and so Dobson and his ilk, while professing to take the Book literally, actually engage in serious amounts of interpretation. I have never understood the arrogance of those evangelicals who profess to explain "What God REALLY meant." They strike me as reminiscent of the very "anti-Christ systems" John describes in his first letter. Obama's stance and speech is far more in line with Jesus and his actual teachings than anything taught by Dobson. Once again, it seems James Dobson is reading a different Bible than I am...

Posted by: Mike Luoma | June 24, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Jay Johnson: You should have been in Missisippi, or Alabama in the 50s, 60s, 70s, as a black man and counsel the KKK about Life and Poverty and find out how they valued / values life.If you are a blackman you lack perspective and common sense and that is the reason George Bush was elected to a second term. No surprise you are now finding him in McCain.

Posted by: samiael | June 24, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Dear Dr. Dobson:
Just who or what is the "fruitcake" here? For you, this is not about religious faith, but about politics. You, representing the reactionary Christian right have called for religious disclosure by candidates. In this case, Obama has openly talked about his Christian faith but it does not happen to agree with your theological worldview. Fred Thompson did not share his faith openly during his candidacy and you chose to draw attention to his not doing so. You provided praise for New Gingrich who chronically was involved in sexual trysts; a man who used his wife's hospitalization as a time to tell her he was leaving her for another women. You looked down on Jimmy Carter who openly professes to be a born again Christian, happily married and is involved in habitat for humanity. You loved Ronald Reagan who never was known to publicly share his faith. You embraced George W. Bush, the expressive Christian who polluted our constitution, took us on a spending ride and created an imperial presidency. Now, that leaves Senator McCain. What kind of disclosures have you heard from him lately about Christianity and faith? So your point is...

Posted by: James P. Krehbiel | June 24, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"Like it or not, our country was not founded on everyone's beliefs or to protect everyone's rights. (Slavery anyone?) The Christian church (primarily in the form of Protestantism) influenced their belief that everyone had a right to find God's will for their lives."

With the possible exception of the slaves. And the Native Americans. Oh, and the women. And the Catholics....

Posted by: tom | June 24, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

to BobC - the seperation was first written by jefferson in 1802 but really didn't become a practice until around 1878 by the supreme court. it was meant to keep our governemnt protected from religious fanaticism including policies influenced from religious opinions. if we didn't have it..we would be just like the who???

Posted by: gskrptr | June 24, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not, our country was not founded on everyone's beliefs or to protect everyone's rights. (Slavery anyone?) The Christian church (primarily in the form of Protestantism) influenced their belief that everyone had a right to find God's will for their lives. Like it or not, their worldview was primarily a Christian. The freedom that we enjoy to make these posts resulted from this worldview. Muslim, Agnostic, Atheistic, Hindu, Buddhist, or other strains of political thought did not and do not result in these liberties. We are squandering our cultural heritage in the name of the selfish desires of the lone individual. We are no longer "One for All, All for One", but rather, "It's All About Me." We're stuck on ourselves (MySpace,Facebook, You Tube, Twitter) and prefer not to see the chaos we are leaving behind.

Posted by: Still Believing in Absolutes | June 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Jay Johnson,

I feel it is the Governments responsibility to provide the proper drug dosage when performing lethal injections during the execution of criminals who receive the death penalty.

Posted by: Greg | June 24, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Bad news for Barry. This guy has tremendous clout with evangelicals. Also, he is a "real" spiritual leader unlike Barry O's chosen biblical "mentors".

Posted by: Greg | June 24, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

gskrptr:

You stole my pucnhline!
:-)

Posted by: Slipmik | June 24, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

First - James Dobson is the worst type of "My way or the highway" type of Christian. The only interpretation of the bible that isn not fruity is his own, in his mind.

Second - You cannot separate religion from our culture. How then can you completely sever it from government? The framers of the constitution said that there shall be no law made respecting religion or its practice - not religion must be ignored in policy deliberations.

Posted by: BobC | June 24, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Oh Jay Johnson not the abortion thing again. 100% failure rate on that cause dude. notice how it's rarely even an issue in politics anymore. this cause needs to be fought outside the political spectrum. it's not a matter of government.

Posted by: gskrptr | June 24, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Folks, Dobson is really pathetic! In his push to critic Obama, he is complaining as if Obama is a great authority on the bible. May be he gets the spiritual message that Obama is a prophecy coming to pass.

Afterall, George Will, the conservative pundit did predict that Obama would win the democratic nomination in november 2007!

Go Obama, whether Dobson likes it or not, God is taking you to the White House!

Posted by: joe mett | June 24, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

JayJohnson:

I have a question for you. As far as your life is concerned, what do you feel is the government's responsibility?

Posted by: slipmik | June 24, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Christ himself didn't stray from saying when things were wrong. And his treatment of the money changers in the Temple was far more controversial than simply criticizing anothers views.

Posted by: David | June 24, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

DP Wrote:
"I agree on this point, that Obama claims people aren't reading their Bibles, yet his whole paradigm and analysis of scripture in that speech was entirely fallacious."

You can't seriously believe that what he said was an "analysis", can you? Dobson made Senator Obama's point for him when he said that the Obama's comments show that he doesn't have a grasp of current understanding of the scripture. *Whose* current understanding?

Senator Obama wasn't saying that HE believed that interpretation, but SOMEONE might make that interpretation. If people can make different interpretations of the Bible how do we possibly decide which interpretation we would use to teach in our schools or make our laws?

The only solution would be to put that responsibility on a man or group of men to interpret and decide for everyone, which is basically how Iran is run. Is that what Dobson wants? A Christian version of Iran? It probably is, as long as *he* can be one of the men who decide what is right and wrong for everyone else.

Posted by: McCain is a Panderer | June 24, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Being black, I will alo say that Blacks have sold their souls to the devil (Democrats). Even though they are vastly Christian, they have sold out on infanticide. Is it any surprise why 1/3 of our men have gone through the criminal justice system. We have reaped what we have sowed. One can debate Bush's war policies as destroying lives, but I sincerely doubt that Bush has intentionally killed innocent children in the same manner that the hands of an abortionist has. THINK MORE BLACK PEOPLE! YOU HAVE SOLD OUT AND THAT IS WHY YOU FIND YOURSELF IN POVERTY!

Posted by: Jay Johnson | June 24, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

James Dobson needs to start checking the Ted Haggards, Jimmy Swaggarts,Earl Paulks, and the like about their theology and practices, before he gets into the Political Arena to judge and Criticise Politicians. When he judges them he must justify his approval of Newt Gingrich,who informed his wife of his intent to divorce her on her hospital bed, his approval of congressman Cunningham, who confessed to bribery and corruption,and several others. He Should try to solicit from Mr Mccain what his beliefs are and if he can boldly proclain the Lordship of Jesus Christ as Mr. Obama does.Dobson Is just one in the line of the arrogant, whose mouths lay claim to heaven,and their tongues ( try ) to take posession of the earth.

Posted by: samiael | June 24, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The reality is that BO does not represent the vast majority of Christians. Christians have sold out on many issues, but most importantly abortion. If Obama wins this election, I will be ashamed to have such a president who values all live except that of the most innocent and defenseless creatures.

Posted by: Jay Johnson | June 24, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

dspickard:

You are missing the point. Obama isnt saying you are wrong and he isn't saying you shouldn't be religious or believe what you believe.

He's saying that the rules and laws that this nation creates should reflect the views and concernes of ALL citizens. Not just the views and concerns of a few.

And if i'm not mistaken, wasn't that precisely what our country was founded on? ...the rights of ALL?

Posted by: slipmik | June 24, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Why are people who say they are ambassadors for God coming out in the media to attack others regardless of what differences of opinion they may have. We as Christians are not suppose to come out and attack others or cause controversy. I don't believe God would condone that. Yes we are defenders of the Gospel, but why do you find fault with only one candidate.... Why not attack the legislators who pass the gay marriage rights, also... if you are going to defend the Christian faith, go after all that is wrong according to the Word of God, and not just what one person said a few years ago. We need to pray for one another, not critique people.

Posted by: Sherri | June 24, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I can't think of anyone else who would know and understand what distortion of The Bible is as well as Mr. Dobson. He has twisted it's words, meaning and intent beyond all recognition. What a shame, literally!

Posted by: thebob.bob | June 24, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

This is like Idi Amin yelling at Gandhi for his record of violence. I thank Dobson for abstaining from voting. It is the only thing we agree on. Where does Jesus talk of tax cuts for the wealthy and preemptive war? I've always been curious.

Posted by: WTF | June 24, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

James Dobson is a card carrying member of the Clowns of the Cloth who want separation of church and state removed so that we can degenerate into the type of religious based governments typical of the Muslim world, parts of Europe and elsewhere. His evangelical message is hateful and quite frankly, if Jesus was to enter his ministry and preach HIS original message, Dobson's goons would escort HIM out. Jesus should whap Dobson in the back of his head and tell him "that's not what I preached, dipstick."
Obama is trying to bring everyone back together and steer away from the religious right's divisive message. That will be CHANGE and well needed in the US of A.

Posted by: oskar | June 24, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Is everyone watching? Good. This is me not caring about anything that ever comes out of James Dobson's mouth.

Posted by: Nathan Raab | June 24, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I believe people should practice being more Righteous, than Religious.

Posted by: First Step | June 24, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

There are preachers, priests, rabbi's, monks, and imams and then there are demagogues. Just because someone wears the cloak of religion, it does not necessarily follow that they are religious. Those that preach hatred of others are not religious people-they are demagogues.Those that make false declarations of a class of people are demagogues. The majority of religious people in the USA go about their day to day business and truly practice their religion but those who are trying to demonise others are demagogues. Dobson is more than a demagogue, he is a slithering brown-shirt swift-boating Fascist political operative radicalizing his flock and then leading them to the polls where they perform their suicidal voting for the Fascists. Yes, they vote against their own interest, they vote against the interest of their children, and they vote against the interest of their grandchildren. Do you remember the Abramof and Reed conspiracy against the Tigua Indians? Abramof paid Reed for his ability to get the Christian flock to vote against the interests of the Tigua Indians. Reed wore the cape of religion, but he was just a hypocrite, a criminal, and a false prophet.

Posted by: ghostcommander | June 24, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Just so you all know, I worship the devil, so this conversation, while amusing, has little relevance for me.

And no, I don't know the devil's middle name. Now leave me alone. I'm constipated.

Posted by: JakeD | June 24, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree on this point, that Obama claims people aren't reading their Bibles, yet his whole paradigm and analysis of scripture in that speech was entirely fallacious. If anyone needs to go to a seminary and learn a few things it is Obama. Maybe he should do that before trying to be President, or at least get some experience governing.

Posted by: DP | June 24, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I just listened to the FotF radio show from their website. The disagreement is whether the government should honor the rights of (religious) minorities, whether Al Sharpton qualifies as a christian, and specifically with a straw man of Obama that is somehow hostile towards Dobson personally.

Posted by: Jeremy McMillan | June 24, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

It's sad how far our country has strayed if not even one person will stand up to defend the principles our nation was founded on. Who do you trust in, if not God? Yourself?

Posted by: dspickard | June 24, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Clearly a cheap shot by Dobson to try to boost his own ratings. Why else would he send his rantings out in advance to the media?

Posted by: Tom J | June 24, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The focus should be on Mr. Obama's speech and whether his comments accurately reflect American values, not on the comments of someone who is not running for president and not supporting either candidate. It is too easy to bypass the significance of the speech and get caught up in the reaction of one person. The speech reveals much about Mr. Obama and what he means when he uses certain words.

Posted by: Tim Smith | June 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see so many logical comments in one article, are the GOP trolls taking a day off?

Posted by: Tim | June 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Why does Dobson feel he needs to defend himself?

Posted by: Why | June 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

James Dobson's existence proves that evolution is a real fact. He obviously evolved from something akin to slime-mold.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | June 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand if Dobson is trying to say he agrees with or disagrees with Obama's statement that christian voters must choose what kind of christianity to which they subscribe. I also can't see the connection between abortion and religious tolerance that Dobson is trying to make.

Dobson must have been very angry to make such unreasoned comments. He might as well have just growled and gnashed his teeth. Of criticism: nothing hurts like the truth.

Posted by: Jeremy McMillan | June 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Aren't there any conservatives here? I don't know everything Dobson stands for, but his critique of Obama's position - which is much more firmly rooted in secular rather than biblical views - seems more than justified.

Posted by: David | June 24, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

If Dobson doesn't like Obama's interpretation of the Bible, he shouldn't elect Obama to be the pastor of his church.

Posted by: DoTheMath | June 24, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, Man!" brother David.

Posted by: Light | June 24, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who in this day and age still believes that the bible, or any book written by humans, is "the word of god" should be in a mental hospital.

Posted by: David | June 24, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I've always wondered about people who insist that every commandment in the Bible must be interpreted literally...except for the one that specifically says that the seventh day is the Sabbath...(oh, that one got changed...)...and that all of the laws must be kept...(oh, except for that one about eating pigs...I mean come on, what are beans without ham hock? what are eggs without big fat bacon?)

Etc., etc., etc.

So, speaking of interpreting...what is it exactly that Mr. Dobson and his fellow neo-conservative hate mongers who call themselves Christians think they've been doing for the fast few years?

I'm a Christian - and I am tired of being mistaken for someone like him!!!

Posted by: mthebride | June 24, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I was really surprised by James Dobson's intemperate words until I read this article. Now I understand -- it is all about him. He's mad that Senator Obama used his name (in a perfectly fair way) as an example of one very distinct Christian vision, then contrasted it with Al Sharpton, who is also religious, to make the point that the two obviously have totally different visions, but both consider themselves (and are considered by others) to be Christian. Kind of like the current advertisement where both Sharpton and Pat Robertson appear together to agree on climate change issues.

Once the two words "James Dobson" were used by Senator Obama, even in a noninflammatory, appropriate way, apparently some sort of ego inflator deployed and Dobson went into a major overreaction.

These guys with big egos cannot bear to be "disrespected" and they imagine and magnify slights and insults at the drop of a verbal reference. And now we have the wise, measured words of a man who would describe a major presidential candidate nominated by 18 million American voters in terms of "fruitcake". I'm sure that will draw in new believers. Oh wait, maybe not.

Posted by: Ego Run Amuck | June 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Brothers and sisters! Can I get an "Oh, Man!"
for a secular government. Why is it that we have a history of electing cultists to high offices?

Posted by: Light | June 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

It was extremely encouraging to read these posts; gskrptr has it exactly right.

It also semms that young evangelicals are turning away from nut cases like Dobson, Robertson, et. al and living their faith by trying to help the less fortunate and not blow up women's health clinics.

Posted by: Mike Dooley | June 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's?"


Reading exactly what Senator Obama said and taking his remarks in context, I find it interesting that Dobson'd blood pressure skyrocketed over these two year old comments. I don't see where there was an effort to criticize or praise the beliefs of Dobson or Sharpton, or place the value of one over the other. It appears to me that all Senator Obama was doing, was pointing out that even among Christians in this country, there is a wide variety of beliefs and government needs to represent ALL Americans. It really makes me wonder why Dobson is so (obviously) hyper sensitive concerning his beliefs.

Posted by: diksagev | June 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

As a Christian I find Mr. Dobson to be morally disgusting and a reprehensible representative of "Carnival Barker" style of theology ...

Dobson has no moral authority as he has stood for and continues to stand for the evil of "elect elitism" ... meaning he alone (and those who think like him) are among the few who are "True Christians" --- Balderdash!

Posted by: Charles H. Townsend | June 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Dobson/Bush version of the Bible states clearly:

(1) Though shalt not kill - unless we need your oil.

(2) Though shalt not feed the poor - though shalt starve them.

(3) Though shalt covet thy neighbors oil and forsake the good stewardship of the earth.

(4) Though shalt obey our leaders as provided by God - do not question our poor governance. It is written... that we are right and you are wrong.

Praise our intolerant Lord.
Praise Bush - Praise Dobson.

Posted by: PulSamsara | June 24, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Barack is right, there are parts of the Old Testament law that are totally at odds with modern thinking. Mr Dobson tries to explain away the problem with standard evangelical dispensational thinking. It is hard to believe that God instituted the Law which would be contrary to His will. So when did we stop stoning adulterers? Perhap Mr Dobson would like a return to that. Oh No, he says, that was just instituted as a 'test' to show how we are all sinners. This nonsense is propogated by those who also believe that at any moment, in the twinkling of an eye, a select few believers are going to be whisked up into the sky, while the rest of us fight a huge final and bloody battle. Such lunacy belongs in the museum of ancient superstitions.

Posted by: photty | June 24, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The founder of "Focus On the Family" is complaining about Obama. Well, no surprise there, what is FotF if not a bunch of blathering idiots who complain about little things while ignoring larger problems?

Posted by: Shain from NH | June 24, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

James Dobson? You mean, somebody actually cares what that blaspheming piece of crap says?

In it for the money, not for the Lord.

Posted by: captainkona | June 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible to distort a distortion of a distortion? This is the question posed by Dobson's statement.

The New Testament is a distorted echo of Jesus' words, as interpreted by the Third Council of Nicaea for the pleasure of the Roman Emperor. The interpretation of the English translations is yet a further distortion perpetrated by literalist Bible-thumpers.

Watch Obama's news conference following his decision to disaffiliate with Trinity Church and you'll understand that here is a man with a solid grounding in the Bible and his own personal faith. Dobson's rantings are pathetic by comparison.

Posted by: Dobson is Wright | June 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

It is Dobson who distorts the words of Christ for his own benefit. It is a good thing that Dobson does not speak for the entire Christian community.

Posted by: abby0802 | June 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if this so-called christian votes or not. I personally think our country would be a lot better off if folks like Dobson weren't given special treatment as they have with the Bush admin. He's a phony christian. Keep your religion out of my government mr. dobson.

Posted by: JDB | June 24, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

So now it's Dobson who's wrong and at fault? Obama is a flawless, loving, truthful man? You're supporting the wrong guy. Don't vote at all but don't vote for a loser.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Why exactly is this news?

Posted by: JustCause | June 24, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse


I doubt anyone who would listen to Dobson would vote for Obama, or any other Democrat, anyway.

He's just preaching to his own little weird choir.

Posted by: Echo21 | June 24, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Lol

Posted by: JakeD | June 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Keep religion at home and not in the public eye. I am a church-going man that values my faith, a religious belief that avers all other people have the right to worship as they see fit.

Keep Evangelicals out of politics. They are one dimensional when they attempt to show they know all and everyone else is wrong! Like God tole them so...Please!

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | June 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"Why did this man jump on me? I haven't said anything near that?" said Dobson...


uuuhh....I remember something....

"God has called us to be His representatives in our nation and in our world. Select candidates who represent your views and work for their election."
-James Dobson

Posted by: spacepope | June 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Correct. I really don't care what religion, if any, the next president is. Tell me what you value, not what you worship.

Posted by: biggirl | June 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

blah blah blah...if our politicians would finally adhere to the seperation of church and state, we wouldn't be having these types of conversations.

religion is a personal choice with personal concerns keep it out of our government, please.

Posted by: gskrptr | June 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

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