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McCain Denounces Top Aide's Comments

By Michael D. Shear
A top aide to Sen. John McCain said a terrorist attack in the United States would benefit the Republican nominee politically, a comment that was quickly denounced by the candidate while
campaigning in California.

Charlie Black, one of McCain's most senior political advisers, said in an interview with Fortune Magazine that a fresh attack "would be a big advantage to him." He also said that the December assassination of Benazir Bhutto, which he called an "unfortunate event," helped him win the Republican primary by focusing attention on national security.

"His knowledge and ability to talk about it reemphasized that this is the guy who's ready to be Commander-in-Chief. And it helped us," Black told the magazine.

Asked about the comments by reporters, McCain said "I cannot imagine why he would say it. It's not true. I've worked tirelessly since 9/11 to prevent another attack on the United States of America."

His campaign also condemned the remarks, calling them "inappropriate."

"Charlie deeply regrets his comments. They were inappropriate and he recognizes that the candidate we work for has devoted his entire adult life to putting protecting his country and placing its security before every other consideration," said Campaign Spokeswoman Jill
Hazelbaker.

Black told reporters in California exactly the same thing, according to the Associated Press: "I deeply regret the comments. They were inappropriate. I recognize that John McCain has devoted his entire adult life to protecting his country and placing its security before every other consideration."

By Washington Post Editors  |  June 23, 2008; 5:18 PM ET
Categories:  John McCain  
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http://WWW.lindpark.de

Vorsicht organisiertes Verbrechen

2.Koelner Parkettgespraech
Tolles Erlebnis. Mehr Mitarbeiter als Interessenten. Die Haelfte der Redner hat abgesagt - aus gutem Grund -

die anderen, wie Herr Frank Meier von N-TV sind sich fuer nichts zu schade. Liegt wohl an der Naehe zu Herrn Reich. Fuer Geld kann man eben alles kaufen.

Oeffentliches Angebot zu 2,40 Euro, sobald die Broschuere beim Bafin hinterlegt ist kostet die Aktie 3,40 Euro.

Alibi Veranstaltuung, damit die Telefonverkaeufer weiter cold calling durchfuehren. Man darf bis zu einhundert Personen kontaktieren, ohne ein hinterlegtes Prospekt.

Dann duerfte allerdings jetzt kein weiterer mehr angerufen werden und kein Koelner oder sonstiges Parkettgespraech mehr durchgefuehrt werden, sonst waeren die hundert ueberschritten.

Ein Telefonverkaeufer, welche ueber das Internet weiterhin gesucht werden (obwohl noch nicht telefoniert werden darf), erledigt so etwas an einem Tag.

Alles ausser Gold, Silber und Oel bringt hoehere Kurse, dumm , dass gerade diese in den letzten Wochen erheblich gefallen sind. Wenn es der lete kauft, verkaufen die Schlauen.

Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 at 04:28PM by [Your Name Here] | Post a Comment
Kapitalanlagen Wanderheuschrecken
Die Telefonverkaeuferwanderheuschrecken sind wieder unterwegs, als Deutsche Lindpark Aktiengesellschaft

Norbert Otto Schmidt geb. 05.10.1954 Ex Europa Chef Caviar Creator Incorporated hat mit seinen Gefolgsleuten eine neue Klopperbude eroeffnet

Nach WWB Duesseldorf Milliarden Verluste Tausende Geschaedigte und bis zu 600 Telefonverkaeufern unter

Detlef Max Hein auch Teddy genannt, Neuss

Diagenics AG Duesseldorf10 Mio. Euro in einem halben Jahr 1000 Geschaedigte

unter Detlef Max Hein, Neuss Verkaufsdirektor 60 Mitarbeiter

Caviar Creator Inc. Duesseldorf 50 Mio Euro von 2003 bis 2005 3000 Geschaedigte

unter Detlef Max Hein, Neuss Verkaufsleiter ca. 100 Mitarbeiter

Ecomares Inc. Duesseldorf 20 Mio Euro in neun Monaten 2005 2200 Geschaedigte

unter Detlef Max Hein, ca. 60 Mitarbeiter

alpha opportunity in Duesseldorf 2006/2007 noch keine Angaben

unter Delef Max Hein

Ermittlungen wegen Betruges, Falschaussage, Anstiftung zum Einbruch, Unterschlagung

Ex Ecomares Inc. Board of Director

Steuerhinterziehung zwischen 2003 und heute mehrere Millionen Einnahmen ueber seine Turks and Caicos Firma Victrex mit Sitz in Hongkong und Bankkonto in der Schweiz (Name bekannt)

seine Mitstreiter sind:

Norbert Otto Schmidt mehrfach wegen Betruges, Urkundenfaelschung usw. verurteilt letztmalig 2003 ehemals

verschiedene Warenterminfirmen in Duesseldorf in den 70 und 80 ern

verschiedene Betrugsverfahren in Ost und West u.a. in Meissen

Verkaufsleiter Investor Treuhand Ermittlungen STA Duesseldorf

Vorstand Caviar Creator, Aktionaer Ermittlungen STA Duesseldorf

Gruendungsaktionaer und Berater Ecomares, Inc. Ermittlungen STA Kiel

Eigentuemer Emc European Management Company Limited Ermittlungen STA Koeln

Verkaufsleiter und Miteigner Palast Entertainment GmbH & Co KG Ermittlungen STA Muenchen

Ermittlung wegen Unterschlagung bei Caviar Creator 250.000 Treuhandgelder vom Treuhandkonto zusammen mit Aktivaa Treuhand Norbert Reegen

Falsche Abgabe der Eidestattlichen Versicherung, Falschaussage unter Eid

Steuerhinterziehung zwischen 2002 und heute mehrere Millionen Einnahmen ueber EMC European Management Consulting Ltd. London

Weitere involvierte Personen

Alexander Tumachowitsch, Russe, ehemaliger Finanzchef Caviar Creator bis 2007

Juergen Langer und Frau Christa, Bayreuth Verkaufsleiter Investor Treuhand, Caviar Creator Niederlassungsleiter, Palast Entertainment Gmbh & Co. KG Manager

Ermittlungen in Muenchen, Bayreuth und Duesseldorf wegen versuchten Betruges, Betriebsspionage und falscher Beschuldigung

Golfclub Bayreuth und Eagles

Norbert Reegen, Heilbronn Aktivaa Treuhand GmbH Steuerberater und Treuhaender vor einigen Wochen in Stuttgart verurteilt wegen Beruges in mehr als 40 Faellen zu 3 Jahren und 3 Monaten Gefaengnis , Steuerberater und Treuhaender fuer United Food Technologies AG - Aqua Orbis, Caviar Creator, Palast Entertainment GMBH & Co. KG.

weitere Ermittlungen gegen Reegen in Stuttgart laufen insbesondere wegen Unterschlagung von Treuhandgeldern und versuchten Betruges

Thorsten Poetscher, Duesseldorf ehemaliger Leiter der Buchhaltung Caviar Creator 2004 -2006

Friedel Heinrichs, ehemaliger Mitarbeiter United Food Technologies und Cavar Creator Geschaeftsfuehrer

Ermittlungen in Giessen und Stuttgart wegen Betruges zum Nachteil des Arbeitgebers

Tobias Franke, Markus Jaeger, Claus Gudermann, Wilfried Ridder, Harwarth alles ehemalige Telefonverkaeufer verschiedene Warenterminfirmen in Frankfurt und Duesseldorf danach bei WBB, Diagenics, Caviar Creator, Ecomares, EMC usw.

Ursula Engler ehemalige Vorstandsekretaerin Investor Treuhand, Caviar Creator, EMC

Stefanie Kienzler ehemalige Leiterin Marketing Caviar Creator

Es sind noch weitere Ermittlungsverfahren anhaengig gegen oben erwaehnte Personen unter anderem in Giessen, Bayreuth, Schwerin usw. anhaengig

Alle Personen jetzt auf der Webpage von

Deutsche Lindpark AG

WWW.Lindpark.de

zu finden.

Machen Sie diesem Treiben ein Ende und informieren Sie die einzelnen Staatsanwaltschaften, das Bafin,

die Aufsichtsbehoerden, die Presse, besonders Herrn Herdrik Hielscher bei der Wirtschaftswoche, Herrn Thorsten Schueller bei Euro am Sonntag, Frau Annette Liebrecht bei Financial Times Deutschland und Dr.Klinkhardt vom Fischmagazin.

Das Bafin hat noch keine Hinterlegung genehmigt, dennoch werden Beteiligungen oeffentlich angeboten und Cold Calling betrieben. Es werden schon Fremde von Adresslisten und Telefonbuechern angerufen, obwohl diesen die Firma nicht bekannt ist. Alles strafbar. Wenn man Sie anruft, bitte sofort die Staatsanwaltschaft informieren. Nur so koennen Sie diesen Leuten das Handwerk legen. 30 Prozent des investierten Kapitals werden fuer die Einwerbung ausgegeben, an Provisionen und andere Kosten. Zudem ist die Anlage in Gold, Silber oder Oel reine Spekulation, wie die letzten Tage wieder zeigen. waeren Sie vor zehn Tagen eingestiegen haetten Sie bereits maechtig verloren, und kann zum Totalverlust fuehren. Wollen Sie spekulieren, wenden Sie sich besser an Ihre Bank.

Retten Sie Tausende zukuenftig Geschaedigte vor diesen Kapitalwanderheuschrecken, die Behoerden sind diesen Abzockern nicht gewachsen.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Ein Insider

p.s. Fortsetzung mit Details folgt

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Gegendarstellung von Tobias Franke http://www.lindpark.de
Bezieht sich auf: http://www.lindparkag.squarespace.com und
blog.washingtonpost.com/.../2008/06/23/mccain_ denounces_top_aides_com.html?hpid=topnews&hpid=topnews

Erstens ich habe nie behauptet das ich mein Studium abgeschlossen hätte.
Mein Lebenslauf ist richtig, nur habe ich auf lückenlose Details im chronologischen
Ablauf verzichtet. Ferner habe ich nie behauptet hauptberuflich als Banker einer
führenden Bank tätig gewesen zu sein.

Zweitens ist es ferner eine unrichtige Behauptung ich hätte Anleger der WBB
in den Ruin getrieben. Ich habe lediglich deren Produkte am Telefon verkauft.
Man kann mir keine Schuld geben das die erwarteten Gewinne nicht eingetroffen sind. Das dann die Anlegergelder weg waren, ist bedauerlich.
Das gleich gilt für die Diagenics, in der ich nachfolgend tätig war. Ich habe die
Produkte im guten Glauben nur verkauft. Für die Verluste bin ich nicht verantwortlich. Das die Firma unseriös war entzieht sich meiner Kenntnis.
Auch bei meinem anschließenden Engagement bei Caviar Creater ist es leider
unglücklich gelaufen. Die Strategie und Produkte waren erstklassig, ich kann nichts
dafür wenn die Anleger leer ausgehen. Ich habe soviel Anleger gewonnen wie möglich und stets meine Provision erhalten.
Das es auch bei Ecomares nicht gut ausging ist nicht meine Schuld. Ich habe viele Anleger überzeugt und mir den ganzen Tag den Mund fusselig geredet. Leider hatten wir kein Glück und die Anleger verloren ihren Einsatz. Das ist Pech für die Anleger. Ich wurde stets für meine Tätigkeit bezahlt, der Rest entzieht sich meiner Kenntnis.
Ich bin traurig das dies auch bei der EMC der Fall war, denn gerade hier konnte ich viele Investoren zur erheblichen Anlage bewegen. Das EMC nicht seriös war wußte ich nicht. Von den Strategie war ich voll überzeugt, sonst hätte ich diese nicht so erfolgreich verkauft. Die Bezahlung war immer korrekt und ich kann nichts nachteiliges über die Geschäftsleitung äußern.

Drittens ist es nicht richtig das ich über 5.Mio Euro pro Jahr verdiene bzw. verdient habe. Mein Einkommen, das ich auch versteuere ist erheblich geringer.

Viertens, es ist unrichtig das Norbert Otto Schmidt mein Freund ist. Ich kenne Herrn Schmidt gut und seit vielen Jahren. Wir arbeiten gut und vertrauensvoll zusammen.
Das er mehrfach wegen Betruges, Urkundenfälschung usw. verurteilt wurde, letztmalig 2003, entzieht sich meiner Kenntnis.

Fünftens, durch meinen Neuanfang bei der Deutschen Lindpark AG
müssen neue Investoren gewonnen und überzeugt werden und frisches Geld in die Firma. Sollte sich dann Gold und Silber gut entwickeln, dann profitieren auch die Anleger. Falls nicht täte mir das sehr leid. Ich tue stets mein Bestes.

Ihr Tobias Franke, Vorstand der Deutschen Lindpark AG, Köln http://www.lindpark.de

Posted by: Tobias Franke lindpark.de | July 7, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Deutsche Lindpark AG

WWW.lindpark.de

Vorsicht organisiertes Verbrechen

2.Koelner Parkettgespraech
Tolles Erlebnis. Mehr Mitarbeiter als Interessenten. Die Haelfte der Redner hat abgesagt - aus gutem Grund -

die anderen, wie Herr Frank Meier von N-TV sind sich fuer nichts zu schade. Liegt wohl an der Naehe zu Herrn Reich. Fuer Geld kann man eben alles kaufen.

Oeffentliches Angebot zu 2,40 Euro, sobald die Broschuere beim Bafin hinterlegt ist kostet die Aktie 3,40 Euro.

Alibi Veranstaltuung, damit die Telefonverkaeufer weiter cold calling durchfuehren. Man darf bis zu einhundert Personen kontaktieren, ohne ein hinterlegtes Prospekt.

Dann duerfte allerdings jetzt kein weiterer mehr angerufen werden und kein Koelner oder sonstiges Parkettgespraech mehr durchgefuehrt werden, sonst waeren die hundert ueberschritten.

Ein Telefonverkaeufer, welche ueber das Internet weiterhin gesucht werden (obwohl noch nicht telefoniert werden darf), erledigt so etwas an einem Tag.

Alles ausser Gold, Silber und Oel bringt hoehere Kurse, dumm , dass gerade diese in den letzten Wochen erheblich gefallen sind. Wenn es der lete kauft, verkaufen die Schlauen.

Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 at 04:28PM by [Your Name Here] | Post a Comment
Kapitalanlagen Wanderheuschrecken
Die Telefonverkaeuferwanderheuschrecken sind wieder unterwegs, als Deutsche Lindpark Aktiengesellschaft

Norbert Otto Schmidt geb. 05.10.1954 Ex Europa Chef Caviar Creator Incorporated hat mit seinen Gefolgsleuten eine neue Klopperbude eroeffnet

Nach WWB Duesseldorf Milliarden Verluste Tausende Geschaedigte und bis zu 600 Telefonverkaeufern unter

Detlef Max Hein auch Teddy genannt, Neuss

Diagenics AG Duesseldorf10 Mio. Euro in einem halben Jahr 1000 Geschaedigte

unter Detlef Max Hein, Neuss Verkaufsdirektor 60 Mitarbeiter

Caviar Creator Inc. Duesseldorf 50 Mio Euro von 2003 bis 2005 3000 Geschaedigte

unter Detlef Max Hein, Neuss Verkaufsleiter ca. 100 Mitarbeiter

Ecomares Inc. Duesseldorf 20 Mio Euro in neun Monaten 2005 2200 Geschaedigte

unter Detlef Max Hein, ca. 60 Mitarbeiter

alpha opportunity in Duesseldorf 2006/2007 noch keine Angaben

unter Delef Max Hein

Ermittlungen wegen Betruges, Falschaussage, Anstiftung zum Einbruch, Unterschlagung

Ex Ecomares Inc. Board of Director

Steuerhinterziehung zwischen 2003 und heute mehrere Millionen Einnahmen ueber seine Turks and Caicos Firma Victrex mit Sitz in Hongkong und Bankkonto in der Schweiz (Name bekannt)

seine Mitstreiter sind:

Norbert Otto Schmidt mehrfach wegen Betruges, Urkundenfaelschung usw. verurteilt letztmalig 2003 ehemals

verschiedene Warenterminfirmen in Duesseldorf in den 70 und 80 ern

verschiedene Betrugsverfahren in Ost und West u.a. in Meissen

Verkaufsleiter Investor Treuhand Ermittlungen STA Duesseldorf

Vorstand Caviar Creator, Aktionaer Ermittlungen STA Duesseldorf

Gruendungsaktionaer und Berater Ecomares, Inc. Ermittlungen STA Kiel

Eigentuemer Emc European Management Company Limited Ermittlungen STA Koeln

Verkaufsleiter und Miteigner Palast Entertainment GmbH & Co KG Ermittlungen STA Muenchen

Ermittlung wegen Unterschlagung bei Caviar Creator 250.000 Treuhandgelder vom Treuhandkonto zusammen mit Aktivaa Treuhand Norbert Reegen

Falsche Abgabe der Eidestattlichen Versicherung, Falschaussage unter Eid

Steuerhinterziehung zwischen 2002 und heute mehrere Millionen Einnahmen ueber EMC European Management Consulting Ltd. London

Weitere involvierte Personen

Alexander Tumachowitsch, Russe, ehemaliger Finanzchef Caviar Creator bis 2007

Juergen Langer und Frau Christa, Bayreuth Verkaufsleiter Investor Treuhand, Caviar Creator Niederlassungsleiter, Palast Entertainment Gmbh & Co. KG Manager

Ermittlungen in Muenchen, Bayreuth und Duesseldorf wegen versuchten Betruges, Betriebsspionage und falscher Beschuldigung

Golfclub Bayreuth und Eagles

Norbert Reegen, Heilbronn Aktivaa Treuhand GmbH Steuerberater und Treuhaender vor einigen Wochen in Stuttgart verurteilt wegen Beruges in mehr als 40 Faellen zu 3 Jahren und 3 Monaten Gefaengnis , Steuerberater und Treuhaender fuer United Food Technologies AG - Aqua Orbis, Caviar Creator, Palast Entertainment GMBH & Co. KG.

weitere Ermittlungen gegen Reegen in Stuttgart laufen insbesondere wegen Unterschlagung von Treuhandgeldern und versuchten Betruges

Thorsten Poetscher, Duesseldorf ehemaliger Leiter der Buchhaltung Caviar Creator 2004 -2006

Friedel Heinrichs, ehemaliger Mitarbeiter United Food Technologies und Cavar Creator Geschaeftsfuehrer

Ermittlungen in Giessen und Stuttgart wegen Betruges zum Nachteil des Arbeitgebers

Tobias Franke, Markus Jaeger, Claus Gudermann, Wilfried Ridder, Harwarth alles ehemalige Telefonverkaeufer verschiedene Warenterminfirmen in Frankfurt und Duesseldorf danach bei WBB, Diagenics, Caviar Creator, Ecomares, EMC usw.

Ursula Engler ehemalige Vorstandsekretaerin Investor Treuhand, Caviar Creator, EMC

Stefanie Kienzler ehemalige Leiterin Marketing Caviar Creator

Es sind noch weitere Ermittlungsverfahren anhaengig gegen oben erwaehnte Personen unter anderem in Giessen, Bayreuth, Schwerin usw. anhaengig

Alle Personen jetzt auf der Webpage von

Deutsche Lindpark AG

WWW.Lindpark.de

zu finden.

Machen Sie diesem Treiben ein Ende und informieren Sie die einzelnen Staatsanwaltschaften, das Bafin,

die Aufsichtsbehoerden, die Presse, besonders Herrn Herdrik Hielscher bei der Wirtschaftswoche, Herrn Thorsten Schueller bei Euro am Sonntag, Frau Annette Liebrecht bei Financial Times Deutschland und Dr.Klinkhardt vom Fischmagazin.

Das Bafin hat noch keine Hinterlegung genehmigt, dennoch werden Beteiligungen oeffentlich angeboten und Cold Calling betrieben. Es werden schon Fremde von Adresslisten und Telefonbuechern angerufen, obwohl diesen die Firma nicht bekannt ist. Alles strafbar. Wenn man Sie anruft, bitte sofort die Staatsanwaltschaft informieren. Nur so koennen Sie diesen Leuten das Handwerk legen. 30 Prozent des investierten Kapitals werden fuer die Einwerbung ausgegeben, an Provisionen und andere Kosten. Zudem ist die Anlage in Gold, Silber oder Oel reine Spekulation, wie die letzten Tage wieder zeigen. waeren Sie vor zehn Tagen eingestiegen haetten Sie bereits maechtig verloren, und kann zum Totalverlust fuehren. Wollen Sie spekulieren, wenden Sie sich besser an Ihre Bank.

Retten Sie Tausende zukuenftig Geschaedigte vor diesen Kapitalwanderheuschrecken, die Behoerden sind diesen Abzockern nicht gewachsen.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Ein Insider

p.s. Fortsetzung mit Details folgt

http://www.lindparkag.squarespace.com

Posted by: www.lindpark.de | July 1, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Tobias Franke! Der Vorstand der Lindpark AG in Köln sucht Investoren, die ihre wahren Werte (Geld) der Lindpark AG zur Verwaltung geben. Dabei glänzt Tobias Franke mit geschliffener Rhetorik. Von allem weis er etwas, halt ein richtiger Neunmalklug, der die glänzende Zukunft, insbesondere für sich selbst schon kennt.
Die kann so aussehen, die Lindpark AG geht insolvent und nur Tobias Franke und die Beteiligten im Hintergrund haben längst die wahren Werte andersweitig vor dem Zugriff der Gläubiger/Investoren gesichert.
Dann ist der Markt schuld, weil er gegen die Lindpark AG gelaufen ist. Pech für die Anleger. Aber beim nächten Mal klappt es dann aber bestimmt, bitte nochmal investieren in die dann neu zu gründende Deutsche Eichenlaub AG. Ein Schelm wer Böses dabei denkt.
http://www.lindpark.de - wahren Werte - jeder bilde sich seine Meinung selbst.
Vielleicht kann ich den einen oder anderen von einer riesigen Dummheit bewahren. Darum schreibe ich diese Zeilen.
Siegfried aus Köln, Beobachter des sogenannten 2-ten Parkettgespräches der Lindpark AG. Wer den Film der grosse Bluff gesehen hat konnte das Geschehen dort gut einordnen.

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www.deutsche-lindpark.de

Tobias Franke:
Der den "harmlosen" Buecherwurm gibt, ist der Vorstand. Gesucht wird: Tobias Franke. Im Internet gibt es weder Schriftliches noch ein Bild von diesem wichtigen Dampfplauderer. Er erzaehlt viel wenn der Tag lang ist. Vorsicht, denn das was er erzaehlt muss nichts mit der Wirklichkeit zu tun haben. Darum lassen Sie sich alles schriftlich geben. Dann haben Sie Beweise und können ggf. eine Strafanzeige bei der Staatsanwaltschaft verfassen. In jedem Fall bevor Sie einen einzigen Cent investieren senden Sie eine Anfrag zur "Deutschen Lindpark AG" an den Graumarkt-Report (frueher Gerlach).Den dort gegebenen Empfehlungen sollte man unbedingt folgen, um nicht seine "wahren Werte", also sein Geld zu verlieren.
Fuer mich ist die Entscheidung gefallen,
kein Cent für Tobias Franke und die Deutsche Lindpark AG. Nebenbei, klingt das nicht wie ein Friedhof, wo man seine wahren Werte beerdigt?

Ein erfahrener Investor der die Investitonsmöglichkeiten in die Deutsche Lindpark AG sorgfaeltig geprueft und auch
mit Tobias Franke gesprochen hat.

Posted by: www.deutsche-lindpark.de | June 26, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans run their campaign like a marketing department, and like a marketing department, you're not suppose to reveal your strategy to the public. Way to go, Black, you made the biggest mistake you could have. How ironic that the Repubs love to call Obama inexperienced, yet their top advisers make the most naive public comments possible!

Posted by: Don Williams | June 24, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Deutsche Lindpark AG

WWW.Lindpark.de

Vorsicht organisiertes Verbrechen

2.Koelner Parkettgespraech
Tolles Erlebnis. Mehr Mitarbeiter als Interessenten. Die Haelfte der Redner hat abgesagt - aus gutem Grund -

die anderen, wie Herr Frank Meier von N-TV sind sich fuer nichts zu schade. Liegt wohl an der Naehe zu Herrn Reich. Fuer Geld kann man eben alles kaufen.

Oeffentliches Angebot zu 2,40 Euro, sobald die Broschuere beim Bafin hinterlegt ist kostet die Aktie 3,40 Euro.

Alibi Veranstaltuung, damit die Telefonverkaeufer weiter cold calling durchfuehren. Man darf bis zu einhundert Personen kontaktieren, ohne ein hinterlegtes Prospekt.

Dann duerfte allerdings jetzt kein weiterer mehr angerufen werden und kein Koelner oder sonstiges Parkettgespraech mehr durchgefuehrt werden, sonst waeren die hundert ueberschritten.

Ein Telefonverkaeufer, welche ueber das Internet weiterhin gesucht werden (obwohl noch nicht telefoniert werden darf), erledigt so etwas an einem Tag.

Alles ausser Gold, Silber und Oel bringt hoehere Kurse, dumm , dass gerade diese in den letzten Wochen erheblich gefallen sind. Wenn es der lete kauft, verkaufen die Schlauen.

Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 at 04:28PM by [Your Name Here] | Post a Comment
Kapitalanlagen Wanderheuschrecken
Die Telefonverkaeuferwanderheuschrecken sind wieder unterwegs, als Deutsche Lindpark Aktiengesellschaft

Norbert Otto Schmidt geb. 05.10.1954 Ex Europa Chef Caviar Creator Incorporated hat mit seinen Gefolgsleuten eine neue Klopperbude eroeffnet

Nach WWB Duesseldorf Milliarden Verluste Tausende Geschaedigte und bis zu 600 Telefonverkaeufern unter

Detlef Max Hein auch Teddy genannt, Neuss

Diagenics AG Duesseldorf10 Mio. Euro in einem halben Jahr 1000 Geschaedigte

unter Detlef Max Hein, Neuss Verkaufsdirektor 60 Mitarbeiter

Caviar Creator Inc. Duesseldorf 50 Mio Euro von 2003 bis 2005 3000 Geschaedigte

unter Detlef Max Hein, Neuss Verkaufsleiter ca. 100 Mitarbeiter

Ecomares Inc. Duesseldorf 20 Mio Euro in neun Monaten 2005 2200 Geschaedigte

unter Detlef Max Hein, ca. 60 Mitarbeiter

alpha opportunity in Duesseldorf 2006/2007 noch keine Angaben

unter Delef Max Hein

Ermittlungen wegen Betruges, Falschaussage, Anstiftung zum Einbruch, Unterschlagung

Ex Ecomares Inc. Board of Director

Steuerhinterziehung zwischen 2003 und heute mehrere Millionen Einnahmen ueber seine Turks and Caicos Firma Victrex mit Sitz in Hongkong und Bankkonto in der Schweiz (Name bekannt)

seine Mitstreiter sind:

Norbert Otto Schmidt mehrfach wegen Betruges, Urkundenfaelschung usw. verurteilt letztmalig 2003 ehemals

verschiedene Warenterminfirmen in Duesseldorf in den 70 und 80 ern

verschiedene Betrugsverfahren in Ost und West u.a. in Meissen

Verkaufsleiter Investor Treuhand Ermittlungen STA Duesseldorf

Vorstand Caviar Creator, Aktionaer Ermittlungen STA Duesseldorf

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Posted by: lindparkag | June 24, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Trying to "clean up" politics is like diving into a cess-pool and trying to sink all the turds.!!

Posted by: jihadalready | June 24, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I think they just let the cat out of the bag way too early. Still don't understand why they think they are stronger on national security. If an attack happens before Bush leaves DC, it'll be the SECOND time under Bush's watch. How does that indicate "national security" strength?

They intend to keep you afraid. Let's not be.

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Posted by: tankas | June 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain: "ooops, we did not mean to use this thing called 'Truth'....our mistake - won't happen again!"

Posted by: John | June 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I hadn't quite realized how much of an lobbyist for the Military-Industrial Complex Black was. Wow! No wonder McCain thinks that the USA should maintain a military presence in Iraq for 100 years. Think of the billions all his buddies will rake in. It's a good thing McCain doesn't have a chance.

Posted by: thebob.bob | June 24, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Mr Black is a long standing political operative and he did not make that "candid" statement without weighing its political merits. I question even the veracity of the remark, more likely he was telling people how to respond.

The man is scum and McCain is sullied by his association with him. The assumption that Black is correct is made that do not understand what this election is about. Change is desperately desired. Obama can lose this election but McCain can not win.

Posted by: Gator-ron | June 24, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Deny him, denounce him, demonize him. Charlie Black should go. All he is is terror mongering and no one should think this is cute. All he is trying to do is rachet up the fear factor at a time of increasing anxiety among people about their financial situation, about energy, about food.
Will this turn people to McCain, the tough guy - not if his policies continue to be washed down Bush policies and offers of more of the same

Posted by: nclwtk | June 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't support him!

Posted by: Jordy | June 24, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Black committed the cardinal sin of a politian or his advisors: he was candid!

No doubt any terrorist action here would result in a spike in McCain's poll numbers; he is perceived, rightly or wrongly, as the one who would be "stronger" on security and defense. We have no basis for believing that except Mr. McCain's service record and his rhetoric, but given the shallowness of most American voters and their thinking, Mr. Black was only stating what is likely valid.

Posted by: robert bell | June 24, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I am glad to learn that Senator McCain denounced his advisor's stupid comment, although we do know Mr. Black's intention or nature of such stupidity. Senator Obama, however, has not denounced the comment made by Alan Goolsbee: They denied.

The fact that McCain's top advisor said that "the December assassination of Benazir Bhutto, which he called an 'unfortunate event,' helped him win the Republican primary by focusing attention on national security" is outrageous: It makes us speculate who did it and why.

Charlie Black must be stupid: "His knowledge and ability to talk about it reemphasized that this is the guy who's ready to be Commander-in-Chief." This kind of rhetoric failed Senator Hillary Clinton's campaign.

McCain needs a new advisor who do not misrepresent his view--as well as campaign manager who can voice his own. They should know better.

Posted by: peace4world | June 24, 2008 5:50 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the main qualification to be a highly paid polical adviser is to be a moron !! People saying something today and
next day stating that they do not mean to !!

Has somebody didn't teach them that it is
a good idea to think before speaking ??

And they seem not to understand that things which can be factually correct often cannot be carelessly posauned !!

On the other side, as long lobbying as legal, a lobbyist is not responsible for the attitudes of his customers, the same as a lawyer is not responsible for the actions of his criminal defendees !

Caminito

Caminito

Posted by: Caminito | June 24, 2008 4:04 AM | Report abuse

Charlie Black And Iraq

Beginning in 1999 and continuing throughout the years leading up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Charlie Black's lobbying firm represented Ahmed Chalabi and his Iraqi National Congress (INC), the most vocal Iraqi group calling for regime change [Los Angeles Times, 7/14/04]. Chalabi clearly had a lot to gain personally from a U.S. invasion. Living in exile from his homeland and viewed by many in Washington "as a possible successor to Saddam Hussein," regime change would allow him to return home and take a leadership role in rebuilding Iraq [BBC, 10/3/02]. Charlie Black's lobbying firm pushed Chalabi's interests in Washington and allowed him to gain access to the highest levels of government. Nothing illustrates this more clearly than the fact that Chalabi was meeting in the Pentagon with high-level officials pushing for an invasion of Iraq nine days after 9/11 [New Yorker, 6/7/04]. It has since come to light that Chalabi helped engineer the claims that Saddam Hussein had W.M.D. and is very much responsible for helping bring about the U.S. war in Iraq. He has also been accused of passing American secrets to Iran.

Charlie Black and his lobbying firm had a lot to gain from their connection to Chalabi, too. In the early days of the Iraq war, Black and his firm were touting their connection to Chalabi and their experience dealing in Iraq [St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 10/1/03]. Black clearly saw his work prior to the 2003 invasion as laying the groundwork for new business opportunities for him and his clients. In August 2003, just months after the invasion, Black said:

Due to our past representation of the INC, we know and have worked with a lot of people who will be in the provisional government. We have a number of clients who are interested in doing business in Iraq. [National Journal, 8/2/03]

Black even said he was 'strongly considering' opening an office in Baghdad [National Journal, 8/2/03]. Over the past five years, Black and his firm have used their prior experience working in Iraq to help their clients gain lucrative contracts, and the firm has used its experience to draw new clients.

Black and Chalabi both got what they wanted. For Chalabi, it was a chance at power. For Black, it was endless war in a country he had more experience dealing than anyone else, allowing him to profit while American soldiers died. Now, it's clear that a McCain presidency would be in Black's best interest, as an endless war in Iraq and future wars across the region will continue to bring in the big bucks for him and his clients.
Black's Firm Worked for Ahmed Chalabi and the INC

Black and BKSH Represented Iraqi National Congress. "BKSH & Associates, headed by longtime Republican insider Charles Black, represents Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress, his former exile group, in Washington." [Newsday, 10/5/03]

Black Touted Connections to Chalabi. "BKSH & Associates, the lobby firm run by GOP strategist Charlie Black, touts its connections to Ahmed Chalabi (until recently a Pentagon sweetheart), who formerly headed the exiled Iraqi National Congress and is currently on Iraq's governing council."[St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 10/1/03]

BKSH's Lobbying Gave Chalabi Inside Access to Bush Administration. Roll Call reported that Chalabi gets help from "BKSH & Associates, the Washington firm founded by Charles Black, a longtime ally of President Bush. Those contacts have paid off: At this year's state of the union address, Chalabi sat in the VIP Box with first lady Laura Bush. [Roll Call, 2/24/04]

BKSH Developed INC's Communications Strategy. BKSH "won a State Department contract to help develop a communications strategy for the Iraqi National Congress (INC) in the years before the war." BKSH had a lobbyist in Baghdad in 2003 "to help the INC build a communications operation in Iraq." [The Hill, 2/7/06]
Chalabi's Role Leading up to the War

Chalabi Helped Engineer WMD Claims and Pushed Bush Administration to Attack Iraq. Meeting at the Pentagon nine days after the 9/11 attacks, Chalabi urged the Defense Policy Board, which advised Secretary Rumsfeld, "to skip any intervention in Afghanistan, where the Taliban had harbored Al Qaeda, and to proceed immediately with targeting Iraq. A participant at the meeting, who asked not to be named, recalled that Chalabi made a compelling case that the Americans would have an easy victory there: 'He said there'd be no resistance, no guerilla warfare from the Baathists, and a quick matter of establishing a government.' Soon afterward, however, Chalabi began to clash with the Administration. Chalabi told me that he would have preferred to sell the war to the American people on philosophical grounds, as a fight against genocidal tyranny and in favor of bringing democracy to the Arab world, but that this approach was rejected by the Bush Administration. 'Look, our focus was on Saddam's crimes, moral crimes, genocide,' Chalabi said. 'We were not focused on W.M.D. The U.S. asked us. We didn't bring these people up; they asked us! They requested this help from us.'" [New Yorker, 6/7/04]

* Former BKSH Employee Helped Sell WMD Claims. Francis Brooke, who "worked with Mr. Chalabi since 1990 - first as a consultant paid by the CIA and most recently as a consultant for BKSH and Associates, a company run by Charlie Black, a Republican Party veterain," helped focus on WMDs in the case for war. "Francis Brooke said that nobody had ordered the I.N.C. to focus solely on W.M.D.s. 'I'm a smart man,' he said. 'I saw what they wanted, and I adapted my strategy.'" Brooke and "the I.N.C. was enlisted to promote the danger posed by Saddam's regime. Brooke said, 'I sent out an all-points bulletin to our network, saying, 'Look, guys, get me a terrorist, or someone who workers with terrorists. And, if you can get stuff on W.M.D., sent it!''" [New Yorker, 6/7/04; Sunday Telegraph, 6/6/04]

Chalabi Accused of Giving False Info to U.S. Leading up to War. "Well, Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Ahmed Chalabi is stirring controversy again. Once the favorite of the Bush administration, Chalabi is in the U.S. on a trip some see as an attempt to rebuild his reputation. Critics, including some lawmakers on Capitol Hill, vilify Chalabi for allegedly feeding false pre-war intelligence on Saddam Hussein's weapons." [CNN, 11/14/05]

Chalabi Helped Spur U.S. Invasion with False Information. Knight Ridder described Chalabi as "the former exile who helped spur the U.S.-led invasion by feeding false intelligence to Washington about Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and who returned to Iraq after Saddam's fall to craft himself into a political leader." [Knight Ridder, 1/14/06]
Chalabi's Shady Character

Chalabi Investigated for Passing American Secrets to Iran. The FBI invsestigated Chalabi, raiding his home and his office, "for allegedly passing classified information to Iran." According to CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "The FBI assistant director, John Miller, just put out a statement the other day saying they've interviewed a lot of people on the accusation that Ahmed Chalabi may have provided Iran with classified information about U.S. codes, code breaking equipment." [CNN, 11/14/05]

Chalabi Wanted for Fraud in Jordan. According to CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "He makes it clear he doesn't like the government of King Abdullah because he's wanted in Jordan for fraud. Supposedly, accused of stealing some $50 million over the year[s]." [CNN, 11/14/05]
Charlie Black: War Profiteer?

Black's Firm Involved "Pushing for the War." "BKSH had a special interest in Iraq. The firm was a key member of the coterie of talking heads, lobbyists, and politicians pushing for the war in Iraq that centered around Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress (INC), the anti-Saddam exile group, which was itself a BKSH client." [Washington Monthly, 6/1/05]

* Black's Firm Compared to Operators in Gold Rush. "In the gold rush of 1849, they say, it was not the miners who got rich, but the operators who sold the picks and the shovels and the wagons and the denim. So it was in Iraq, with the likes of Peg Bartel, the INC, and BKSH." [Washington Monthly, 6/1/05]

Black's Comments Show he Saw Iraq as a Personal Money-Maker for him and his Clients. "Over the past four years, BKSH has been boosting the interests of the Iraqi National Congress, whose leader, Ahmed Chalabi, was a key anti-Saddam opponent and now sits on the newly formed Iraqi Governing Council." "'Due to our past representation of the INC,' says Black, 'we know and have worked with a lot of people who will be in the provisional government. We have a number of clients who are interested in doing business in Iraq.' Black adds that his firm is 'strongly considering' opening an office in Baghdad." [National Journal, 8/2/03]

* Black Planned to Set up Iraq's First Lobbying Firm. According to the New Yorker, "Another top Republican lobbyist in Washington, Charlie Black, told me that his firm, BKSH & Associates, has plans to help Iraqis set up their own affiliated public-relations and government-relations firm; the company would become perhaps the first lobbying shop in Baghdad. Black is excited by the opportunities in Iraq, but he, too, has complaints. 'The problem in Iraq so far is it's slow and very confusing for people to figure out how to do business there,' he said. 'One week you go to Baghdad, and they say the decisions are being made at the Pentagon. Then you go to the Pentagon, and they say the decisions are being made in Baghdad. Only Halliburton is making money now!' He laughed. 'Is there too much cronyism? I just wish I could find the cronies.'" [The New Yorker, 2/16/04]

Black's Firm had Leg Up Because of Work for INC. Newsday reported, "BKSH & Associates, headed by longtime Republican insider Charles Black, represents Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress, his former exile group, in Washington." Said one of lobbyists working for black: "What I think gives us a leg up, and I think we have a leg up, is the fact we have been working this issue for four-and-a-half years, and we know a lot of Iraqis that have been involved in the political process." [Newsday, 10/5/03]

Black's Clients Could Expect to be Well-Served in Seeking Iraq Contracts Because of Firm's History in Iraq. According to Energy Compass, "BKSH Associates is attracting similar interest. The company, which says its lobbyists include individuals who have worked for both Republican and Democratic administrations, has over the years promoted the interests of Ahmed Chalabi, head of the Iraqi National Congress (INC). Since Chalabi and other INC members are on the governing council, BKSH's clients can expect to be well-served. They include, among others, Fluor, which has bid for work in Iraq, as well as US telecoms and engineering firms." [Energy Compass, 10/16/03]

Black's Firm has Represented 8 of Top 60 Defense Contractors. Charlie Black's firm, BKSH, has lobbied for 8 (or roughly 13%) of the top 60 companies receiving DOD contracts during 2007, including the top DOD contractor (Lockheed Martin) and six of the top 16 contractors. BKSH has represented Lockheed Martin, ranked first with over $36 billion in FY 2006 defense revenue; United Technologies, ranked 10th with over $7 billion in contracts; Thales, ranked 11th with nearly $7 billion in contracts; General Electric, ranked 14th, with over $4.5 billion in defense contracts; Honeywell, ranked 15th with $4.4 billion in contracts; Rolls-Royce, ranked 16th with over $4 billion in contracts; Harris, ranked 38th with $1.5 billion in contracts; and NEC, ranked 59th with over $700 million in contracts. [Army Times, accessed 5/16/08; Senate Lobbyist Disclosure Database, accessed 2/29/08]

* Lockheed Paid Black's Firm Over $625,000 Since 2002. Between 2002 and 2007, Lockheed Martin has paid Black's lobbying firm at least $627,500 for to lobby the Department of Defense, the CIA, the Office of Management and Budget, the House and the Senate. Black himself is listed as one of the lobbyists working on Lockheed's behalf for a portion of the firm's work. All of the lobbying done by the firm for Lockheed was on defense issues. [Analysis of Senate Lobbyist Disclosure Database, accessed 2/29/08]

* United Technologies Paid Black's Firm $650,000 since 2003. Since the middle of 2003, United Technologies has paid Black's lobbying firm $650,000 to lobby on its behalf. Charlie Black is listed as having personally handled this client. [Analysis of Senate Lobbying Disclosure Database, accessed 2/29/08]

* Thales Inc. Paid Black's Firm $935,000 Since 2000. Between 2000 and the middle of 2007, Thales Inc. paid Charlie Black's lobbying firm $935,000 to lobby on its behalf. The firm has charged the contractor higher fees since the beginning of the Iraq war. From 2000-2003, the firm charged an average of just over $120,000. Since then, the firm has charged an average of approximately $160,000 per year. [Analysis of Senate Lobbying Disclosure Database, accessed 2/29/08]

* General Electric Paid Black's Firm Nearly $1 Million Between 1999 And 2008. Since 1999, General Electric and General Electric Capital Services have paid Charlie Black's lobbying firm between $940,000 and $980,000 to lobby on its behalf. [Analysis of Senate Lobbying Disclosure Database, accessed 2/29/08]

* Honeywell Paid Black's Firm $140,000 Between 2000 And 2001. Between 2000 and 2001, Honeywell paid Black's lobbying firm $140,000 for its services. [Analysis of Senate Lobbying Disclosure Database, accessed 2/29/08]

* Rolls-Royce Paid Black's Firm At least $240,000 from 1999-2001. Between 1999 and 2001, Rolls-Royce paid Black's lobbying firm between $240,000 and $250,000. [Analysis of Senate Lobbying Disclosure Database, accessed 2/29/08]

* Harris Corp. Paid Black's Firm $40,000 In 2006. In 2006, Harris Corp. paid Charlie Black's lobbying firm $40,000 for lobbying services. [Analysis of Senate Lobbying Disclosure Database, accessed 2/29/08]

* NEC Paid Black's Firm $660,000 Between 2001 and 2005. Between 2001 and 2005, NEC USA, the U.S. branch of the Japanese defense contractor, paid Charlie Black's lobbying firm $660,000 to lobby Congress and the Department of Homeland Security. Charlie Black personally worked on the account. [Analysis of Senate Lobbying Disclosure Database, accessed 2/29/08]

Four Black Clients Got Lucrative Iraq Contracts. An analysis of the Center for Public Integrity's (CPI) list of Iraq contractors and of the Senate's Lobbyist Disclosure Database shows that four of BKSH's clients have received lucrative government contracts for Iraq reconstruction. According to CPI, BKSH client Fluor has received over $3.7 billion in Iraq contracts; Harris Corporation has received $165 million; General Electric has received an unknown amount; and new client Blackwater - the notorious security firm - has received over $21 million. [Center for Public Integrity, accessed 2/29/08; Senate Lobbying Disclosure Database, accessed 2/29/08]

Black Helped Fluor Corporation Become Top Contractor. "Through his lobbying firm, BKSH & Associates (a division of the public relations firm Burson-Marsteller), Black represents Fluor Corporation, an engineering and construction firm that is one of the top contractors for post-war reconstruction in Iraq."

* Fluor Knowingly Over-Charged DOD And Dept. Of Energy. The American Prospect reported, "Last November, Fluor agreed to pay the government $12.5 million to settle a whistleblower suit alleging that the company had knowingly overbilled the Departments of Defense and Energy on contracts for tens of millions of dollars of illegal costs, including executive bonuses, land investments, construction and building improvements, luxury condos, fine art, a Mercedes driven by the company's president, and an antique Chippendale chair." [The American Prospect, 1/2006]

BKSH Lobbied For Firm That Handled Propaganda Articles In Iraqi Newspapers. The Hamilton Spectator reported, "The Lincoln Group, a previously little-known business intelligence company headed by a heretofore little known young Briton and Oxford graduate, Christian Bailey, now at the centre of controversy surrounding the Bush administration's covert propaganda war in Iraq. It was recently revealed that Bailey's company got the lion's share of a $100-million contract from Donald Rumsfeld's Department of Defense for buying space in Iraqi newspapers to place deliberately one-sided stories written by U.S. 'psy-ops' troops." Additionally, the Lincoln Group was paid $20 million to place misleading stories in Anbar providence about U.S. forces running up to Iraqi elections. "The Lincoln Group has Republican links. Its lobbyists include Charles Black, an adviser to Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr. and Marlin 'Buzz' Hefti, a former Pentagon director." [Hamilton Spectator, 1/7/06]

* Black's Firm Hired By "Psychological Warfare" Firm. Jack O'Dwyer's Newsletter reported, "BKSH & Assoc. has been hired by the Lincoln Group. One of three firms selected last month by the U.S. Special Operations Command, to wage psychological warfare on behalf of the Pentagon in Iraq and other hot spots." [Jack O'Dwyer's Newsletter, 7/27/05]

Wye Oak Technology Hired BKSH To help Contractor Get Contracts In Post-Invasion Iraq. Washington Monthly reported, "In April of 2003, after the United States invaded Iraq, Stoffel retained the lobbying powerhouse BKSH, the firm headed by the influential Republican lobbyist Charles Black, to provide 'assistance in defense contract procurement,' for Wye Oak." [Washington Monthly, 6/1/05]

* Wye Oak Was "Proudly And Openly In Iraq To Make A Fortune." According to Washington Monthly, Dale Sfoffel, the founder and head of Wye Oak Technologies, "was a self-professed man of action, who was proudly and openly in Iraq to make a fortune." [Washington Monthly, 6/1/05]

Blackwater Enlisted Black To Repair Reputation. The International Herald Tribune reported, "Blackwater Worldwide, its reputation in tatters and its lucrative government contracts in jeopardy, is mounting an aggressive legal, political and public relations counterstrike." The work was "landed by BKSH...led by Charles Black Jr." A "BKSH associate had worked briefly in Iraq and met several Blackwater personnel." [International Herald Tribune, 11/2/07]

Posted by: Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Songbird McBush??? | June 24, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

McCain's Cronies: Meet Charlie Black, Political Fixer And Top Beltway Lobbyist
By: Christy Hardin Smith Friday February 22, 2008 8:15 am
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Top DC Lobbyist and McCain campaign "senior advisor" Charlie Black explains to Faux News why John McCain is an "outsider." The jokes just write themselves...

That the McCain campaign is sending out Charlie Black to be their rebuttal point man on the "don't stand so close to me" lobbyist story is beyond amusing.

When you think about Charlie Black, think of him in terms of Jack Abramoff's political reach, connections and influence -- only much, much more so -- with that same odious level of using it to the furthest extent to suck money out of clients who pay-to-play from K Street. Only Charlie Black isn't a dolt like Abramoff, and he hasn't been caught doing anything illegal. Oh, and did I mention he lobbies for Blackwater and AT&T, among many, many other corporate clients?

The founder and current head of BKSH is Charlie Black, whose ties with the Bush family go back to 1972, when he and Karl Rove were jockeying for control of the College Republicans in a campaign so dirty that George H.W. Bush, then head of the Republican National Committee, had to step in and sort matters out. Black then worked for Ronald Reagan's and George H.W. Bush's presidential campaigns from 1976 to 1992. He served as an adviser to George W. Bush's campaigns in 2000 and 2004 and is often quoted in news stories as an unofficial White House spokesman.

BKSH was representing Iraq exile Ahmed Chalabi as early as 1999 and continued doing so until the invasion of Iraq. An international con-man found guilty in absentia in Jordan for bank scams, Chalabi is most widely known for being one of the key pre-Iraq war intelligence propagandists who supplied skewed information to support the Pentagon's ultra-secretive Office of Special Plans and the now-discredited pre-war reporting of Judith Miller for the New York Times. During 2004, Francis Brooke of the Rendon Group, which had represented Chalabi since the early 90's, was working on contract in Baghdad for BKSH. Then in the summer and fall of 2005, Lincoln Group, which had been tasked by the Pentagon with providing pro-US stories to Iraqi media, was subcontracting the work to BKSH, as the same time as BKSH was registered to represent the government of Iraq as its US lobbyist.

Paragon of virtue, that one, isn't he? Not to mention that he helped Jim Baker with the Florida recount doings in 2000. But wait, there's more:

Even before McCain finished his news conference, uber-lobbyist Black made the rounds of television networks to defend McCain against charges that he has been tainted by his relationship with a lobbyist. Black's current clients include General Motors, United Technologies, JPMorgan and AT&T.

Black said he is still being paid by his firm and does work for clients in his "spare time," recusing himself from lobbying McCain: "I not only do not lobby him [McCain], but if an issue comes up that I have a client on, I will tell him that and stay out of the discussion."

Never mind that, as a lawyer, Black knows that he's required to "Chinese wall" himself off from an appearance of impropriety problems like that. I'm sure Black's proximity to GOP presidential candidate McCain doesn't do his clients any good in how he tries to influence other politicians on their behalf, because proximity to power has no value whatsoever inside the Beltway. Uh huh.

Much, much more to come...

The Torturers Lobby
ANGOLA HAS A LARGER DISABLED population than any other country in the world. Detonating land mines have been commonplace in the fields of the former Portuguese colony since the Soviet-allied Popular Movement for Liberation of Angola (MPLA) won independence in 1975.

While citizens in the United States may sympathize with the plight of Angolan children, plagued by low birth weight and malnutrition and immobilized by lack of prostheses and wheel chairs, few are aware that until last year, U.S. tax dollars bought up to $60 million a year in guns, ammunition and other military supplies - shipped into Angola via Zaire by the Central Intelligence Agency - to arm Jonas SavimbiÆs anti- communist, South Africa-backed rebel movement, the National Union for Total Independence of Angola (UNITA).

SavimbiÆs history of success in garnering U.S. aid is due in part to ideological support from powerful forces in Washington, and in part to the Alexandria, Virginia lobbying firm of Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly. The firmÆs services, bought for $600,000 a year, have resulted in favorable media coverage for UNITA and secured further political support and aid from U.S. politicians and lending agencies. While the firm works to generate publicity for its clients, it apparently shuns media attention itself; Black, Manafort failed to respond to repeated requests from Multinational Monitor for comment about its lobbying efforts for UNITA.

According to The TorturersÆ Lobby: How Human Rights Abusing Nations Are Represented in Washington, a report based on the results of a year-long investigation by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Public Integrity (CPI), 10 major U.S. foreign aid recipients with a history of hideous human rights abuses spend $24 million on lobbying, legal representation and public relations in the United States each year. Many of the countries receiving U.S. aid through multilateral and bilateral lending agencies collectively receive billions of dollars in U.S. aid and other benefits.

Pamela Brogan, author of The TorturersÆ Lobby, reviewed hundreds of pages of documents filed at the Justice Department by U.S. agents representing overseas interests and examined major U.S. foreign aid recipients, all violators of international standards of human rights, that pay Washington lobbyists to press the U.S. Congress for increased aid: Turkey, Nigeria, Morocco, Kenya, the Philippines, Indonesia, Egypt, Israel, Guatemala and AngolaÆs UNITA. All 10 commit torture and other atrocities, according to the U.S. State Department and watchdog organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

The TorturersÆ Lobby also examines Colombia and Peru , which hire Washington lobbyists to boost their image and lobby for favorable trade and commercial treatment; and three human rights-abusing nations - China , Saudi Arabia and Kuwait - that receive no U.S. aid but have close political and commercial relationships with the United States and pay foreign agents to lobby Congress and the executive branch. The study found Kuwait to be the biggest individual spender, doling out more than $12.5 million in fees to U.S. lobbyists, lawyers and public relations firms.

Among the reportÆs most shocking examples of corrupted Washington spending priorities are the following:

o Guatemala received nearly $91 million in U.S. assistance in 1991, despite the fact that U.S. military aid and commercial arms sales to Guatemala were suspended and the U.S. ambassador to Guatemala was recalled in December 1990. To maintain the money flow and gloss over its wretched human rights reputation, Guatemala spent more than $650,000 for Washington lobbyists and public relations experts. The law firm Patton, Boggs and Blow - at which Commerce Secretary Ron Brown was a former partner - was the biggest recipient, charging Guatemala $220,000 in 1991. Steven Schneebaum, chair of the pro bono committee and partner at Patton, Boggs and Blow, has been a member of the board of the International Human Rights Law Group for 12 years and says that the firm has done extensive work "in defense of human rights norms." As far as Guatemala is concerned, he says, "We have a client thatÆs done some bad stuff, but IÆm tired of taking the rap for every bad thing that a client has done." He attributes CPIÆs focus on Patton, Boggs and Blow to "a trend in the media now against successful firms."

"I suppose people are resentful of a successful firm that is keeping the system working," says Schneebaum. "Led by the New York Times, the entire print media has been coming down on Patton, Boggs and Blow - but weÆre all big people, we can take it." David Todd, the attorney in charge of the firmÆs Guatemala account, declined to comment to Multinational Monitor.

o In 1991, Turkey received more than $800 million in U.S. aid, an exceptional return on its $3.8 million investment in Washington lobbyists. "We are very concerned because there has been a marked decline in the last year in the human rights situation in Turkey," says Maryam Elahi, Amnesty InternationalÆs government program officer for the Middle East. "The newly elected Prime Minister has failed in his promise to end torture. Political killings rose from 50 in 1991 to over 300 in 1992, with serious allegations that government security forces colluded in many of these killings." The public relations firm Hill and Knowlton , which CPI found to be the company paid the most by human rights abusers, took $1.2 million to represent Turkey from November 1990 to May 1992. Frank Mankowitz, the firmÆs vice chair, declined to comment on Hill and KnowltonÆs representation of Turkey, but claims that "human rights [are] a factor in our decisions about whether to take on a country as a client. We have turned down countries recently because of human rights violations."

International Advisers, Inc. , another firm that was paid more that $1 million for representing the Turkish embassy in the United States, refused to offer any comment to Multinational Monitor.

o In 1991, Kenya received $38 million in U.S. foreign aid, spending over $1.4 million on Washington lobbyists to get it; Nigeria received $8.3 million and spent in excess of $2.5 million. Kenyan president Daniel Moi has a notorious history of violating the human rights of his governmentÆs critics; and the military government of Nigerian general Ibrahim Babangida continues to rely on force to remain in power. The bulk of those countriesÆ payments went to Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly Public Affairs , which took $660,000 from Kenya in 1992-1993 and $1 million from Nigeria in 1991.

Janet Fleishman, research associate at Africa Watch, says that human rights abuses involving use of the military, government manipulation of ethnic conflict, and particularly flagrant attacks "in rural areas against the opposition and the independent press," are prevalent in both countries.

"Unfortunately, the governments of many of the countries that receive U.S. aid money are committing very serious, tremendously documented human rights abuses," says Brogan. The TorturersÆ Lobby cites critics of the lobbying and appropriations process, who suggest that Congress prohibit foreign-aid recipients from hiring foreign agents, or put a cap on the amount of fees that countries can pay lobbyists.

The author notes, however, that the work of CPI and the report have "already had a significant impact." Unlike past administrations, "Clinton has pledged that all of his top- level people are banned for life from representing foreign governments. Of course, he cannot correct the sins of the past," says Brogan, but it is a step towards "correcting the sins of the future."n

- Julie Gozan

Posted by: Why are you hiding your Military Records, Old Songbird McBush, aren't you a war hero? | June 24, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Google McCain Lobbyists

Why would a lobbyist work for free? Maybe, he found the Good Lord or perhaps he has a heart of gold.

Clearly Charlie Black who lobbies for Blackwater (under substantial oversight from the Armed Services Committee, of which McCain is the ranking member) and AT&T and other large telecoms, among many others (all under the auspices of the Commerce Committee of which McCain was chair until the 2006 election, and he's a current GOP member) is just working for the McCain campaign out of the goodness of his little ole Southern heart.

A politically hooked in K Street corporate uber-lobbyist advising McCain for free, while making stratospheric rate lobbying calls on the McCain "Straight Talk" campaign bus ("Hey Bob, guess where I'm callin' you from this mornin'?"), is an equal comparison to a fella who worked solely for the Environmental Defense Fund. Not.

Jeebus, did Scherer just fall off the turnip truck? Or did Rick Davis -- lobbyist turned McCain campaign manager -- slip him a blast fax he couldn't refuse?

Speaking of Rick Davis, a quick Nexis search reveals a National Journal article from Feb. 3, 2007 (subs. only), which says that Davis is only on leave from Davis Manafort, his lobbying and consulting firm. (Media Matters has more.) And from which, Davis is listed as an employee giving a campaign donation to the McCain campaign. Plus, there was the weird Reform Institute money pass-through scheme that Davis controlled for McCain. And the McCain campaign is listed as paying Davis Manafort $30,000.00 in its last FEC filing as well, -- perhaps Mr. Scherer might like to ask Davis about that? Just for starters.

I could keep going down a long list of names associated with McCain's campaign and staff...but I think you see my point. Plus, Jeff Birnbaum has already done so. More than once. So has Media Matters.

In most jurisdictions, if you are an attorney or work in an advocacy position for a group with interests covered by government oversight, you are required to register as a lobbyist if you work a certain number of hours for that client -- even if you aren't really working as a "lobbyist" per se, but negotiating a settlement or some other agreement with a governmental agency. This is true if you represent a corporation or union, or any group in between with government interests, for just about every jurisdiction I know of for lawyers and other advocates.

Anyone who has been inside the Beltway understands that there is a difference between representing a client on a single matter or a single interest group advocacy, and gliding back and forth over the years from a posh K Street lobby shop to campaign work where you gather political favors. Someone who pretends that isn't the case is simply an idiot or misinformed. As Jack Shafer explains:

The Times reports that the enemy of special interests, money in politics, earmarks, and lobbyists has staffed his presidential campaign with lobbyists and recently hired a lobbyist to run his Senate office. That particular lobbyist, Mark Buse, the paper reports, came to McCain's staff through the revolving door. Before he was a telecommunication industry lobbyist, Buse was the director of McCain's commerce committee staff.

When critics question McCain's integrity, his allies, such as McCain adviser and lobbyist Charles Black, say the man is beyond reproach. "Unless he gives you special treatment or takes legislative action against his own views, I don't think his personal and social relationships matter," Black told the Times.

This, of course, is hooey. What the lobbyist craves above all is access, and anything that provides that edge is coveted. In many cases, both lobbyists and their clients know the mission to change the mind of a member of Congress is hopeless. Often the point of the exercise is to be seen and heard by the member. If the lobbyist does not carry the day with the member, the client counts on the "relationship" to pay off in the next visit or the visit after that or the visit after that.

Getting inside the "red zone," to steal a metaphor from Washington Post reporter Jeffrey H. Birnbaum's feature about the tourism industry's recent lobbying efforts, is almost as good as a touchdown. Corruption, if that's the right word for it, arrives on the installment plan as a lobbyist moves closer and closer to a member. (emphasis mine)
Comment by Maybe this is the reason Old Songbird McBush wants to stay in Iraq forever.

Posted by: Why does Old Songbird McBush hide his Military Records, isn't he a war hero? | June 24, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGN IS RUNNING ON FEAR TACTICS. THATS THE ONLY THING RADICAL RIGHT WING REPUBLICANS ARE GOOD FOR. THERE NOT GOOD ON FORIEGN POLICY, BUSH PROVED THAT BUT THEIR GOOD ON SCARING PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING THEY ARE GOOD. THANKS TO CHARLIE BLACK INWHICH I THINK SHOULD BE FIRED BUT HE WONT BECAUSE HE TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN, IS EITHER THEIR GOING TO SCARE VOTERS TO VOTE MCCAIN OR THEIR HOPING FOR ANOTHER TERROIST ATTACK. THATS EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF PRESIDENT WE NEED IN THE OVAL OFFICE. A FRAUD LIKE MCCAIN.

Posted by: JANICE | June 24, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

People are reacting more to their own interpretations of Mr. Black's comments rather than to the comments themselves.

From what I've read, Mr. Black did not claim or imply that Mr. McCain instigated or was involved in any way in the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. Nor did he claim or imply that Mr. McCain was considering or actually planning a fake terrorist attack in order to win the election.

Mr. Black was merely reinforcing a common perception that a Republican candidate in general and Mr. McCain in particular would be better prepared and qualified to handle such situations. This perspective is held by many average citizens and promoted heavily by Mr. McCain and the Republican party. Where is the controversy in that??

The real controversial statement was made by Mr. McCain himself: "... It's not true..." etc.

Mr. McCain did not respond to Mr. Black's comments at all. Rather, he responded to possible interpretations of possible implications of Mr. Black's comments.

Mr. Black's comments in no way led me to assume that Mr. McCain was in any way involved in assassinations or the planning of fake terrorist attacks.

Mr. McCain's response, on the other hand, has me questioning whether he just "shoots from the hip" without checking out precisely what he's shooting at, or worse...

... what does Mr. McCain's response imply??

Why is he denying planning a fake terrorist attack to help him get elected when no one is accusing him of that??

Posted by: George | June 24, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I understand that both Obama and Mccain have problems that they will need to address, but I think you folks should read this article expressing McCain's friend and economic adviser ex-Senator Phil Gramm (possible Treasury secretary). I'm worried.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclosure-phil.html

and..

http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2767


Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright was the talk of the town that almost sunk Obama, but you want to give McCain's buddy a pass for considering attack strategies on America to get McCain elected. Last week Obama knew a guy who got a loan from another guy and everyone wanted to hang him. I can see now that the guy that wants to blow up America is the better guy. What was I thinking.

Posted by: HemiHead | June 24, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Well, it's true. I can't see why a man who has a quirky, no damn it, rude sense of timing does always get roasted in the media for speaking his mind out loud.

Why can't we just applaud the man for being bold, honest and truthful with a little humility.

It's always whining and sour grapes with you people, whomever you are, who make a big deal whenever someone speaks the truth, like it was a bold face lie or something like that.

Well, I'm about to get rude myself, so I'll leave it at that.

http://the-american-illuminati.blogspot.com/

Posted by: The American Illuminati | June 23, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama has rightfully been put under the microscope.


Doesn't John McCain deserve the same treatment? There are many voters that do not know the facts about McCain.


Did you know that in 2007, 95% of McCain's votes agreed with president Bush? Did you know that as of May 15, 2008 McCain's votes agreed 100% with George Bush? Did you know that his private high school yearbook listed his nickname as McNasty? Did you know McCain graduated from the Naval Academy at Annapolis with a class rank of 894 out of 899? That he lost 5 military aircraft as a pilot? That while he was a POW in Vietnam, his first wife Carol (a former swimsuit model) was in a horrific car accident that left her 4 inches shorter and much heavier? That when he returned from Vietnam he left his first wife Carol for beer heiress Cindy? That for 25 years McCain has been voting against a woman's right to choose? That he was one of the members of the Keating Five savings and loan scandal that bilked thousands out of their retirement savings? That McCain did not support the Lilly Ledbetter equal pay for women legislation? That even though he and Cindy's combined yearly income is over $6 million per year, McCain received tax-free military disability pension in the amount of $58,358 for the year 2007 at the rate of 100%? That he regularly votes against legislation that would assist our military troops and veterans?


www.StopThinkVote.com

Read it and pass it on.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Everyone, stop responding to Dianne72. I don't think she's real. Just wasting time bothering the rest of us. Her comments are ludicrous and obviously not worth reading....

Posted by: Nuttin funny | June 23, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Distin99 has the best post on here yet. I respect your wisdom even though I plan on voting for the evil, conspiring, hater (I will be labled the same soon after this post). "I'll take a liberal over your idiotic mentality any day, you moron mussina. You are a disgrace. Nothing more. Simply an appalling neanderthal. Go wallow in your Limbaugh HATE. Better yet, move out of my country, you festering pestilence. And take your fellow HATE and fear-mongerers with you" (I capitalized the word hate to highlight my point). Does anyone smell hypocrite anywhere around here? I think I do. My point is this, disagree with me. It makes for good debates honestly. But people calling me and others like me 'festering pestilence' and an 'appalling neaderthal' are joking themselves when they claim to advocate the ideology of the correct/true/tolerant/all-around-great-guy that is Obama. And, like the good voter that I am, I will not think less of Obama because of supporters like yourselves.

Posted by: DML | June 23, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

They already done it on 9,11. There have been people all over the world fighting for answers and keep getting turned away. It's pretty bad when the truth is posted all over he internet and nothiing gets done. The first thing that came to my mind when Obama won and had all this support was something is going to happen. Whats going on in Europe and all this talk of a North American Union is part of some sick plan by the rich criminals to take power. Did you see that treaty the EU wanted the Irish to sign last week. No one can understand any of it, and they want them to sign their country away. When the leaders of Ireland asked why they couldn't understand the treaty the EU said no one gets a full copy till you sign. Everything is written out in two books and you have to read parts from each one to understand the treaty. That don't sound like a treaty to me. What there doing in mapping out the world. Good thing Ireland told them to get lost.

Posted by: HemiHead | June 23, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Of condoms, Clinton, Obama and McCain

Sex education regressed into the Dark Ages under Bush. Which candidate will now stand up for young persons' health?

By Rahul K. Parikh, M.D.

Mar. 24, 2008 | According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, almost two-thirds of female adolescents have had sex by the time they reach their senior year of high school. As a pediatrician, doing my job well means I talk with teens about their sex lives. In many cases, an adolescent will reveal she's sexually active and probably has had one to three partners. That means I'm testing them for sexually transmitted diseases, performing pelvic exams to make sure they don't have signs that can lead to cervical cancer later, and discussing and prescribing contraception -- abstinence, condoms, Plan B and birth control pills.

This kind of comprehensive approach to teen sex has been successful. Teens have been waiting longer to have sex, and teen pregnancy rates dropped by almost 30 percent between 1990 and 2000. If they are sexually active, teenage girls have reported having fewer partners and are more likely to use some form of contraception than in the past.

So it's been perplexing and frustrating to see that over the past eight years, the tide has shifted so drastically against adolescents. Since 2000, teens have faced a rise in abstinence-only education, hurdles to obtaining Plan B emergency contraception and a hike in the price of birth control pills. In a campaign season notable for so much youth participation, it's worth exploring which of the presidential candidates is standing up for this important age group.

Shortly after President Bush took office, he began pushing abstinence-only sex education, where teens learn that the only way to prevent STDs and pregnancy is to wait to have sex until they're married. If or when abstinence proponents do mention contraceptives, they greatly exaggerate their failure rates to scare teens into believing they are useless. Funding for abstinence programs has grown to around $180 million annually.

While Bush has been signing checks, doctors have spent the better part of his terms reviewing the science behind his dogma. According to the Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, the nation's largest study of teen behavior, kids who took abstinence vows kept them for just a little over one year. Worse, pledgers who failed at abstinence were less likely to use contraception when they had sex. Further, the study shows that in the past six years, the prevalence of STDs has been similar between pledgers and nonpledgers.

It doesn't get any better as we look at access to emergency contraception. In 2002, Plan B's maker applied to the Food and Drug Administration for approval to sell it over the counter, something that just about every medical organization in the country supported, based on sound science. Several studies have demonstrated that girls who have access to Plan B use it properly and do not change their safe-sex practices; that is, they still use condoms or oral contraceptives.

So it was good news in 2003 when an FDA panel overwhelmingly approved the idea. But when the decision reached the agency's highest levels, the FDA balked, bowing to political pressure from congressional Republicans and religious groups. Thankfully, the Democratic minority in Congress fought back, and in the end got what it wanted -- sort of.

In late 2006, Plan B was approved to be sold over the counter, but with two caveats. First, Plan B was approved only for women over age 18. Minors still need a prescription. Second, "over the counter" meant over the pharmacists' counter. Today, reports persist of pharmacists refusing to provide the drugs to customers, usually on religious grounds. One instance, in Texas, occurred after a woman who had been raped came to a pharmacy with a prescription from her doctor.

Finally, as if politicos were going for a hat trick, there was last summer's revelation that the price of oral contraceptives was going up for college students. Traditionally, Big Pharma has given campuses a break on the price of birth control pills. But the 2005 Deficit Reduction Act put an end to that, as the government cut drug reimbursements to pharmacies. Suddenly, an $8 to $12 charge for a month's worth of birth control spiked to between $30 and $50. That priced out a whole lot of young women from protecting themselves.

While a dreamy religious conservative might argue that the spike will also price teenage girls out of having sex, think again. Most first-person reports tell us that women's sex lives haven't changed. Now, however, they're having riskier sex, relying only on condoms or depending on Plan B as birth control, taking it after each episode of intercourse, something it's not approved for.

There has been nearly a decade of disconnect between Washington and young women. If you have any doubts about the consequences, consider that the teen pregnancy rate recently rose for the first time in 15 years. That prompts the question: Who's going to stand up for teens over the next 10 years?

If your voting will be influenced by this issue, John McCain isn't your guy. His lack of interest and insight into the issue was best summed up during an interview last March, captured by the New York Times, on his Straight Talk Express bus:

Q: What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush's policy, which is just abstinence?McCain: (Long pause) Ahhh. I think I support the president's policy.

Q: So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?

McCain: (Long pause) You've stumped me.

McCain does support Bush's ideologically based policies. He has voted against legislation to ensure that sex education be scientifically accurate instead of just abstinence based, has voted to impose parental consent for teens seeking birth control, and has opposed legislation that birth control be covered by insurance. He has also voted against programs to increase awareness about emergency contraception.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

People are so easy! by Dianne72

Sad but so true. Thats how the rich and powerful think though.

Power to change to make a better world for who for the rich and non-colored only huh? Of course, why did I even ask.

Its weird how people would hate on a person with nothing like a begger on the street who hasn't done nothing to them but love to those with all the money who lie, cheat, steal, and rape from them(figuratively but sometimes literally) from them like coporate CEOs and politicians.

Money talks, @#$%%%$%# walks.
Money = Power

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I think Dianne72 is playing. Minivan, subdivision?

Posted by: Kristin | June 23, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Black said what any true Republican thinks. The November victory, if it could be engineered, brings more wars,and more gas profits. If you still don't get it, here is a doubling up and some more. When the choice is between profits and lives there is no contest; more have died in Iraq than in 9/11 not to say anything about 40,000 others who are maimed.

Posted by: Irene | June 23, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

To all you good people on this board:

Please stop wasting your time responding to ignorant fools like dianne72 and superpants.

This is they way they get their kicks. Holdup in some corner of their hell hole, giggling away at any response to their stupid post with only one aim, to solicit more response.

These fools crave attention badly that's why they will not stop posting the same BS.

Its true, when your live stinks, what a better way to pretend that you worth much than to scapegoat others with insults.

Posted by: JonLar | June 23, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I have to say that I get really disgusted and demoralized reading so much anti-Obama hatred on message boards. It is mostly racist and often disgusting, as opposed to just differing with him on policy.

Having said that, I want to single out both Sgt. Rodriguez, and the blogger named Atiq, for praise.

It is remarks like both of yours that demonstrate how instructive message boards and forums can be when it is used mainly to share ideas and experiences, as opposed to a launching board for sliming and race-baiting.

Thank you both for keeping it real.

Posted by: Scootmandubious | June 23, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Black is turning John McCain into a scarecrow.
If it would be "nice" to have a terror attack on America so that it would eradicate some liberal-leaning voters and further guarantee a win for McCain, how would Black suggest the terrorists distinguish the voters he'd like to see eliminated?
The "scare" card is the GOP's only hope.
They have screwed up this country so badly, they have milked our Treasury so thoroughly, that they no longer have any other legs to stand on.
I'll save John McCain the trouble:
Greed, Guns & God.
That's their whole campaign in a nutshell.
(With the nuts still in it.)
Benezir Bhutto died for George Bush and his American reelection campaign?
Hubris, pure and simple.
Bet'cha Bhutto didn't think so.
'Course she can't be quizzed right now.
Charlie Black better be gone tomorrow morning, or we will know for a fact what John McCain's entire platform stands on and clear proof of whom he "fronts" for.
If McCain had integrity, lo, long ago, it's evaporated.
They'll do anything to get elected.
And no, you jerks.
We are NOT afraid, one bit.
We want our country back.
We want our Constitution and Bill of Rights back.
Your attempt at dictatorial corporatocracy is over.
Obama '08

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | June 23, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

When the history is written of this age, the fact that an agent of the CIA who worked without cover was outed by a sitting president will, in retrospect, make Watergate look like the a botched prank at a boy scout retreat.

You can hate Mr. Black for what he said but, once again, the word on the lips of officialdom in DC is that this is McCain's best chance. In the mind's eye of the American public, $5 a gallon gas has supplanted the forgotten war in Iraq and Afghanistan and focused attention on the economy. Yes, that very same economy that Senator McCain admits that he knows very little about. Oddly this is in contrast to the wants of the Bush administration. They need for Americans to forget about the war. What do we do? Now I'm not suggesting that McCain desires any type of terrorist activity on American soil but I wouldn't be surprised if a pseudo sleeper cell is unearthed sometime this summer say around the time of the Republican convention. Like a friend of mine used to say, "I rather live next door to a klansman instead of a liberal because I know exactly what the klansman has planned for me." I rather have a guy like Charlie Black in a campaign because he's only saying what's on everyone's mind no matter how distasteful. The Republicans changed the persona of a decorated Vietnam veteran who had been disfigured by a grenade, Senator Max Cleland, into an individual who was a sympathizer with Osama. Just imagine what they'll do to Obama if they get even the slightest chance.

Beltway Greg

Posted by: Beltway Greg | June 23, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I'sa reckin' deez darn ovralls isa rammin' up my crak, cus i'z so upset bout a blak man gettin in dat der white hous. thas mans got no educashion. momma su sez they will take our traler and steal my sister. i caint lose my sister, whoze els im gon marre.

Posted by: Billy Bob | June 23, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

America, home of

The Free
Racists
Idiots
War Mongers
No Bid War Contracts
Greedy Capitalist
Greedy Banks
Greedy Brokers
Greedy Oil Co's
Religious zealots
a bunch of uneducated old f@rts
a bunch of uneducated young f@rts
a current president dumb as dirt
a VP kin to satan

Did I mention racists?

I am a white 54 year old white male that is going to vote Obama. I can not wait until Obama is elected and you all can choose to leave ... Home of the free .... to leave because you have no clue as to what America was built on or has worked for.

Posted by: Larry | June 23, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Will the real Dianne72 please stand up?

Posted by: WHO | June 23, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I HOPE MCCAIN DOESN'T FEEL LIKE HE HAS TO LET CHARLIE GO....HE NEEDS TO KEEP HIM AROUND, SO WE CAN ALL DEPEND ON HIM TO SAY OTHER FOOLISH THINGS ON JOHN'S BEHALF.....AND WHILE HE'S AT IT, I'LL BET DON IMUS IS PROBABLY AVAILABLE TO HELP MCCAIN TOO.....

Posted by: benighse | June 23, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

SuperPants wrote "Anyone who thinks that Diane72 is a real actual person with these believes is silly...Diane72 is, I suppose, a 14 year old boy thinking it's funny to try to get peoples dander up. And, surprise surprise, it works."

Translation: SuperPants = Dianne72

Posted by: Fromage | June 23, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

It is sad how some individuals expose their worst and most disgusting biases when the internet provides them with a false blanket of anonymity. I would love for these people to have to answer for their comments before their friends, neighbors, and relatives. Luckily, only these people have to look in the mirror every day and realize how rotten they are inside. The rest of us should do everything in our power to make our world a better place and try to forget that people like them exist...and I'm done.

Posted by: Sad | June 23, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

People are so easy!

Posted by: Dianne72 | June 23, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

@ Linus:

I take it the surgery was a failure.

Posted by: Piter | June 23, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

WHAT'S CHARLIE GOING TO SUGGEST NEXT...THAT MCCAIN TAKE A PAGE FROM ROBERT MUGABE'S ELECTION PLAN IN ZIMBABWE???

Posted by: BENIGHSE | June 23, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

John McCain wouldn't have gotten the fear vote, so I don't know how Bhutto would have helped him. If anything it might have given Rudy and Mitt more support, they were the ones talking the "I'll torture everyone and tear up the constitution and fear fear fear 9/11 9/11" and so on.

Let's face it, John McCain got the moderate vote. People remember him taking unpopular positions and bridging the aisle between democrats and republicans and probably thought he's the most likely to win and at least be somewhat honest. I know that's what I thought. I can't explain why he's distancing himself from some of those same positions now, but that's what got him the primary. I would guess 50% moderates, 50% that liked his war hero status.

His biggest hurdles in this election, besides Bush's endorsement, are the lobbyists that he's constantly having to remove from his campaign that seem to cling to him like a fungus. He needs to go back to Mike Murphy politics and ditch the lobbyists, they're not helping.

Posted by: Grimmix | June 23, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, Dianne is a direct descendant of Nat Turner.

Posted by: Piter | June 23, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks that Diane72 is a real actual person with these believes is silly. Who but a caricature would describe them selfs as a As "a good Christain and American", followed by the most obvious race baiting. Please, Diane72 is, I suppose, a 14 year old boy thinking it's funny to try to get peoples dander up. And, surprise surprise, it works.

Posted by: SuperPants | June 23, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama visited me in the hospital last year after my brain surgery. He made me proud to be white.

Posted by: Linus Eric Wallgren | June 23, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

What McCain's aide neglected to mention was how well things worked for the GOP when the long dormant bin Laden put out his public statement right before election '04.

If you think about it, terrorists would prefer a hostile U.S. regime. It is much easier to get Al Qaeda recruits when you have a Bush in the White House torturing people, then having somebody who has actively sought a more diplomatic approach to solving terrorism as Barack Obama has.

The real insanity of the Bush strategy is that we are creating countless new terrorists in the region, because the one thing they hate more than anything else are foreign occupiers.

One would think that is a lesson John McCain should know quite well.

Posted by: Scootmandubious | June 23, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I am truly shocked. The Republican Party used the 9/11 to win the last election. They are up to the same political trick again. Could they be the one who instigate 9/11. Will they cause another attack to win this election.

I wonder.

Posted by: KEN | June 23, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

A little unknown story on Barack Obama. I was serving in Iraq from March 2005-March 2006, when he came out there and visited the troops. A couple of buddies and I shot some basketball with him. He asked us how we were, we just talked for a while. He didn't act like John McCain when he came out last year. McCain was impersonal, and only cared to be with the higher ranking members, except when it came time for photo op. Well, after he left for the United States, Barack Obama took the consideration of sending me the autographed picture that I had asked for. I still have it in my office. I would have asked McCain, but he didn't even talk to us.

Posted by: Sgt. Victor Rodriguez | June 23, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Diane, Diane, Diane
How do you sleep at night?

Not to be worried though, your ilk are a dying breed and not soon enough. America is and will show you that your opionions and your strategy are only the minority in the darkest corners of our ignorance where the light of knowledge and God has not beeen shone on.

Posted by: IB | June 23, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Where is the moderator??? Lots of racial abuse here - I wonder how can te moderator allow people to abuse on race or religion?

Anyway, it seems, a good number of you still keep hatred on race [black or white] and religion. Clean the heart. There are bad people always - for few bad people and political-biased media-controlled biased propaganda and injustice towards some corner -- we see terrorisms, problems -- but unless you know one's religion with the sufficient and rasonable manner - u MUST not blame a religion or great no. of people.

Regarding Obama -- he is not a Muslim even though his father was - as he was raised in and with the believe that he is a Christian.

Except some ignorant of Islam, one can not claim that he is a Muslim. Also he is saying that he is not MUSLIM and there is no problem in ISLAM too.

Some ignorant Muslim may think otherwise - but in truth - Islam has no problem with Obama, and he is a Christian and it has no effect with other religion.

Regarding Obama or McCain - this is up to your choice - but I wonder some [should I say many?] Americans show too much ignorance and they blindly believe many things - without considering it in full!!! I am from a developing country, and I find that even poor farmers in the rural places think and judge and do not remain blind. I think Americans are a great nation - a melting pot for people of all parts of world and they show love and respect to each other, and they are not blind-suported to issues of political matters, world affairs, etc.

But these comments above really shattered my mind a bit.

Anyway, good luck and I personally feel like many many of my friends that OBAMA is the best choice for the world - we need peace and calm world, not fear and hatred. Enough has been done in the last 8 years. More fear - more hatred - more problem. We need Obama than McCain - though I can't vote.

It's not about race or culture - it is about a hope and hope for change.

Best regards,
Love for all.
Atiq

Posted by: Atiq | June 23, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

evey last one of you white fols is racist. white folks have ruined this country. just like the inventer of the peanut said, george washington carver, the black man will not be free until he get inside the white house.

Posted by: Lakisha | June 23, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

"I know black people steal." Dear Dianne 72: *I* know WHITE people steal. Often, we do it on a MUCH larger scale: embezzlement, corruption, corporate greed. What any of this has to do with McCain's addled taste in spokespeople is beyond me. Honestly, the bigots are just running wild, they're so terrified of the Scary Black President. Grow UP.

Posted by: Shan | June 23, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks terrorism is the biggest threat to america is as misinformed as they are childish.

Inside the airport they treat you like a criminal to "protect your safety" but step outside the terminal and you could be easily run over in the chaotic area in front of the terminal that doesn't even have lights at crosswalks in most airports.

Safety is their main concern? yeah RIGHT!

Posted by: georgebush | June 23, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Diane72 is probably one of those southern belles who dropped out in 8th grade, had a few kids, live on welfare, and is a fervent racist because she has never went beyond her trailer park. If you get into the real world, Diane72, you will out that white people steal, too. Oh yeah, and Mexicans, too. And Asians. I guess what I am saying is that you can't judge a person on the color of their skin. Well you can, but then you would just be ignorant.

Posted by: Diane73 | June 23, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

DIANNE WROTE,

"Michelle Obama is ghetto and will lower the tone at the White House. We don't need some bunny hanging cheap african art on the pristine White House walls."

Posted by: Dianne72 | June 23, 2008 9:46 PM

In reply,

YOU IGNORANCE AND CRUELTY ASTOUNDS ME! I WONDER HOW HER GHETTO INSTINCT SERVED HER AT HARVARD AND PRINCETON LAW SCHOOL? YOU DESERVE THE WORST THINGS IN LIFE THAT SOMEONE WITH SUCH HATRED,BLINDNESS, AND INTOLERANCE IS DESTINED TO RECEIVE.

Posted by: Sickend-by-Dianne | June 23, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

It's true. A "fresh" terror attack would scare the ignorant american voters... in other words, exactly who McCain is aiming for. The coward votes.

"Oh me so fraidy of de big bad tewowists! Come pwotect me daddy!! oh pwotect me!"

Posted by: mateo | June 23, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

As a good Christain and American I feel it is my duty to report infractions of the law. There was this black cleaning lady at work who was stealing office supplies from the supply room. I made sure I told management and they caught her with hidden cameras.

Posted by: Dianne72 | June 23, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

A North Vietnamese peasant, Mai Van On, who was getting bombed saved McCains life after he was shot down and a mob was beating and stabbing him and McCain pretended it never happened. What was it that he said, "I hate the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Does that include the South Vietnamese too? Probably. Obama and his wife are the racist? WOW.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Black's comment is absolutely correct. Very simple.

Posted by: Mike | June 23, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Also, a quick note - the most important, and most damning, thing Mr. Black said wasn't quoted in full.

The second note, about Bhutto, seems innocent enough - Bhutto dies, McCain's ready to talk about it, where's the problem?

The problem, of course, is that it seems to indicate that nobody else follows the news, and that such things naturally are gimmes to the Republican party. This is what you call a "head-up-your-hindquarters" view of things.

I don't think it'd be offensive to say "when Benazir Bhutto died, we were ready to talk about it; the opposition wasn't." But to publicly acknowledge that one considers bad things to benefit one's own party without putting in any work is ridiculous, but also a bit illuminating.

Posted by: Edwin Herdman | June 23, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

ha!! i thought americans were different and anyone can be a proud american regardless of your race or religion. but looks like only whites and people with english name have a right to do that.

Posted by: Andy | June 23, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Soldier! Thank you for serving and thank you for reminding us that we have more than two choices.


"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
-- George Orwell

Posted by: Patriot | June 23, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

SO ACCORDING TO CHARLIE BLACK, BENAZIR BHUTTO GAVE HER ASSASINATED LIFE SO THAT MCCAIN COULD WIN THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION...AND THIS GUY IS THE BEST MCCAIN COULD FIND AMONGST THE LOBBYISTS HE'S RECRUITED TO RUN HIS CAMPAIGN AND SPEAK FOR HIM...AND NOW HIS BEST HOPE IS TO HAVE ANOTHER 9/11...SHAME ON CHARLIE...HE ALSO HAS TIES TO THE PRIOR MCCAIN LOBBYISTS WHO LEFT BECAUSE THEY WERE LOBBYING FOR IRAN...NO CONNECTION HERE JOHN...

Posted by: BENIGHSE | June 23, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Marc from 9:53 you are kidding about the muslim names right?
You will make choice for who can get this nation out of its quagmire based on how their names sounds????? WOW!

And just to correct you, only one of his names is "Arabic" not muslim. Israel has had a prime minister by the name of Barak before (I'll let you research that so learn something). Obama is a Kenyan name! Kenya is not a muslim nation. His name is a traditional name.
Also many people in Africa have adopted "Arabic" names due to the early contact way before europeans arrived. I know many African christians with "Arabic" names. You will also find many of them in the Middle East who are christians but bear their "Arabic" names.

At least let your position be sound or at least informed.

Posted by: IB | June 23, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"SuperPants" is cool! He makes me laugh...

Posted by: PeaPod | June 23, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

You see, black people dance like this (insert black person dance here) and white people dance like this (insert white person dance). There can never be equality until we have a national dance off. Debates are for losers.

Posted by: SuperPants | June 23, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72, for your sake (and more importantly, ours), please read this and act swiftly:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/paranoid-schizophrenia/DS00862

Posted by: Piter | June 23, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

This is like a campaigner against hunger thanking drought for helping their career.

What the aide said is, of course, all true; but it shouldn't be discussed in public and furthermore McCain's approach is not so one-dimensional as this suggests. McCain's stances are been informed by a need to prevent terrorism; that's far from crediting terrorist attacks for supporting his fortunes.

McCain has done the right thing to separate himself from Mr. Black, who seems to have lost his sanity. I wonder how this guy survived long enough politically to be considered the "most senior" aide in the first place.

Posted by: Edwin Herdman | June 23, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I'll have you know that my mother stopped lactating quite some time ago!

Posted by: SuperPants | June 23, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Don't judge people based on their names...many millions of honest, hardworking, loyal and patriotic Americans don't have names like Bill, Tom, Jim and Mike.

They are also part of our military and protect YOUR freedom of speech here on this site...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what you people say. I know black people steal. We had a black family that moved into our subdivision last year. They stole my precious children's toy and even broke the antenae off of my new minivan. Heck, even the Sunday paper wasn't safe!

Posted by: Dianne72 | June 23, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Marc's criteria for electing a president:

(1) Were they previously president of the United States? (This indicates experience.)

(2) Does their name sound strange?

I'm glad we have people like you on the case, Marc. Your patriotic vigilance must be its own reward!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

You came to this board expecting matured responses and discussion of the issue raised instead, it has being infested with juveniles making ignorant and junior school remarks so they can solicit responses and feel good.

Keep your ignorant remarks about Michelle to your ill-mannered, unhappy and looser selves.

It will not change the outcome of this election.

If you are here soliciting for attention, go to your mother and resume nursing.

Posted by: JonLar | June 23, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

It's not unreasonable for a person to ask other people to be reasonable. It was unreasonable that people targeted Obama's vetter Johnson. It was unreasonable for people to insult Senator Obama because of his name. It was unreasonable for people to demean Ms. Obama. Those attacks were not called for because they were borne from cruelty and mean-spiritedness.

So then, it's not unreasonable to ask McCain to hold his top aid accountable for his idiotic remarks that hurt the feelings of people who have lost family members to 9-11. If we are to be reasonable, both sides deserve equal scrutiny and for some reason, McCain has been getting a free ride from the Media. That's plain unfair.

Posted by: Allen | June 23, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Another instance of McCain terrorizing the American public. Just like turning his 95 year old Mother loose on the streets of Paris in an automobile...

Posted by: clapton | June 23, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain was behind the 9/11 attacks. If you watch the video, you can see him and Chuck Norris jumping out of the air planes at the last minute, playing air guitar.

Posted by: SuperPants | June 23, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, so lets vote for a guy with NO experience and has not 1, not 2, but 3 birth given MUSLIM names! Yeah, real smart America.

Posted by: Marc | June 23, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

It makes you wonder if the McCain campaign is coordinating with Bin Laden to ensure the timing of the attack is just right to ensure maximum impact on the election.

Posted by: HonestAbe | June 23, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Check out myspace, troopsagainstmccain

Posted by: Interesting | June 23, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Dianne72...you've lost all credibility here.....

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Win at all cost. That is the GOP gameplan. Even if it means the death of thousands of innocent Americans. Disgusting.

Posted by: HonestAbe | June 23, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Win at all cost. That is the GOP gameplan. Even if it means the death of thousands of innocent Americans. Disgusting.

Posted by: HonestAbe | June 23, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama had sex with a black man!

Posted by: SuperPants | June 23, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

The calls for Charlie Black's removal are ludicrous. Will McCain firing Black make any of the posters who are calling for it inclined to vote for McCain?
Samantha Power resigned because she said something distasteful (except to Obamanistas) about another Democratic candidate. There's no tit for tat here, people.
Charlie Black was not "wishing" for a terrorist attack anymore than Hillary Clinton was suggesting that Obama might be assassinated, except again in the minds of Obamanistas.
This is much ado about nothing; it's not like McCain walked away from public financing or caved on the FISA bill.

Posted by: mkevinf | June 23, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I am truly sorry RAT-The. My intenetion was not to insult Sasquatch by comparing him to Michelle Obama-mama.

Posted by: PeaPod | June 23, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with this world when we see a McCain article and start arguing about the other candidate? Why can't we get back to talking about a candidate's merits instead of gossiping?


I agree that McCain has spent his adult life working to secure America, even when it has been unpopular. He was one of the first to suggest the troop surge in Iraq and broke with the Reagan movement by denouncing having troops in Lebanon in the 80s. Both of these divergent views were sound, logical and unpopular when first mentioned.

Posted by: Which Candidate? | June 23, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Piter | June 23, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I am an American born soldier, with three generations of military veterans, and have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and my middle name is Hussein. Am I anti-American, do I support Muslims extremists, do you want to question my patriotism?

It is interesting that Obama gets more support from military members than McShame. In fact, Ron Paul receives more donations from active duty military than Bush III.

Go ahead and question or loyalty and patriotism, we keep you safe at night.

Posted by: Soldier | June 23, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The absolute hatred exhibited on this page is simply unbelievable. The more I see of this, the more I wish my home state of California were a separate county.

Posted by: tp-sm | June 23, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I get sick reading some of these comments sometimes. People make mountains out of mole hills and then expect people not to notice and to think that there is some sort of "crisis." Who cares that McCain's top aide said this? We all know it's true, even if it doesn't sound great when it's said. If America is attacked, you can bet your bottom dollar that the Democrat candidate won't benefit from that. McCain is a war hero and has advantages on national security issues over Obama, who has made slips, e.g. on Iran. I am not voting for McCain or for Obama. I'm voting third party. But I wish that people would get a life and stop trying to SPIN things. Americans aren't stupid.

For example, Allen posted this: "Charlie Black's dumb comment shows McCain's lack of judgment here." McCain's lack of judgment? He distanced himself from the comments. He's supposed to fire a top aide for a true, albeit badly phrased, remark? How would you like it if reporters hounded you all the time and watched your every word? You wouldn't like that would you? Well people can say true things in ways that seem insensitive. Rather than crucifying them, maybe we ought to learn to just stop being so whiney and act like reasonable men. Jeez.

Posted by: James | June 23, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama is ghetto and will lower the tone at the White House. We don't need some bunny hanging cheap african art on the pristine White House walls.

Posted by: Dianne72 | June 23, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Dear Keyser Soze, if Obama is the most racist person you've ever seen, then I would like to live in your enlightened world of peace, brotherly love and understanding. It must be quite groovy.

Posted by: SuperPants | June 23, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFhhvaIXA9A


Why is his codename Songbird?

How did he become a pilot graduating 894 out of 899?

How did he get 28 medals in less than 20 hours of combat?

Was he collaborating with the enemy?

Why was he a pilot after crashing 4 previous planes?

How did he get medals with no eyewitnesses as required by Naval rules?

Remember, his father and grandfather were 4 Star Admirals and his father was head of Pacific Command at the time he was in the military.

Google these
McCain Affairs
McCain Songbird
McCain Flip Flops
McCain Hero
McCain Womanizing
McCain Infidelity
McCain Lobbyists
McCain Keating Five
McCain Fortune
McCain USS Forrestal
McCain Temper
McCain Doubletalk
McCain Arizona Mob
McCain Traitor
McCain War Criminal
McCain Adultery
McCain Military Record
McCain Manchurian
McCain McNasty
McCain Equal Pay
McCain Economics

In a 1997 interview on the CBS news program "60 Minutes," McCain frankly acknowledged, "I am a war criminal; I bombed innocent women and children." It was an honest statement, though hardly a convincing argument for making him president.

The fact that he was a war criminal reflected not merely his own personal actions, which in terms of slaughter were no doubt every bit as devastating as a My Lai massacre, albeit inflicted from a longer distance. Rather it was a matter of the objective character of the war itself. Clearly there were many in the top echelons of the government, its military and intelligence agencies and in both major parties who bore far greater responsibility for the waging of a criminal and counterrevolutionary war of aggression in Vietnam.

The American ruling establishment has spent more than three decades attempting to revise the history of the Vietnam War in order to conceal its own responsibility for the greatest war crimes since the fall of the Nazis and to erase the political memory of US imperialism's defeat under conditions of mass opposition and social struggles at home.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

@ Keyser Soze:

You are suffering from some sort of auditory hallucination. Seek medical help immediately.

Posted by: Piter | June 23, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: very concerned | June 23, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Peapod-Sasquatch?

THAT, is just a lame insult.


However, she does resemble Aunt Jemimah.


LOL! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | June 23, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Those who would deride Michelle Obama and ignorantly suggest that she might have the capacity to steal items in the White House should Barack win, consider this fact about Cindy McCain. Cindy McCain is known
to have a major drug addiction problem, which in my book registers much higher on the Richter scale than anything Michelle Obama might've have done wrong in her past.
Also, the reality is that Cindy McCain has been known to steal money from the charitable organizations she sits o.

Posted by: Jet-Man | June 23, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain steals drugs from her own non-profit organizations, then uses her employees signatures to fraudulently receive them.

Oh yeah, don't forget, her marriage to McCain came about as an affair he had behind his crippled wife's back. Oh the morals in that family.

Cindy Loohoo McCain is just as corrupt as her husband.

Posted by: Joe | June 23, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

These attacks against Senator Obama and his wife make me realize that these extreme-conservatives are desperate. If they actually had ANY PRIDE in their candidate - they'd be touting McCain's so-called good qualities - but instead they can only sensationalize Senator Obama's good name. I have to say - it seems very "middle-school" to attack someone for their name. If that's the best they can do - then it shows they have nothing.

The thing is, we all have unique names - that's what makes this nation great - our diversity. So we cannot allow ourselves to be divided by some conservative scoundrels that can't take pride in their own candidate. I'm glad I can take pride in Senator Obama - and many others do too.

We must rise above the conservatives' divide-and-conquer tactics, and rally around the real winner in this election - Senator Obama. He has made history because he has a unique set of qualities, which will make him a great president. Let's help the Democrats and Obama this fall.

You can help create this change by volunteering with your local Democrats group, or donating some dollars to Senator Obama's campaign, or advocating on the Democrats' behalf. We have to join together to stop Bush's buddy - John Sydney McCain. To stop the Smears, go to Senator Obama's newest site - http://www.FightTheSmears.com or you can visit Senator Obama's campaign and learn about opportunities to help his campaign:

http://www.BarackObama.com

We can do it! YES WE CAN!

Posted by: Allen | June 23, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Th-that's not ch-change we can b-believe in!

Posted by: Piter | June 23, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama once wore white shoes before labor day. Is this the kind of person you want for president!?!

Posted by: SuperPants | June 23, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

That is pretty sad that McCain would keep Phil Gramm, Charlie Black and these other liabilities in his campaign. Here is a second link regarding Phil Gramm's loophole that caused our Subprime mess and the Enron debacle. McCain can't afford to associate with these snakes that would sell out Americans for a quick buck.


http://www.star-telegram.com/ed_wallace/story/659081.html


http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclosure-phil.html

Posted by: Shocked | June 23, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Victor man... To me, Obama is the most racist person I've ever seen. Racism is any time you inject race into a discussion where it doesn't belong. For instance, a presidential race. How is skin color going to help a president? It won't. Here's what I hear when Barack speaks. "Black, black, black, black, black, black, black, change, black, black, black, white." If Barack would stop his rampant black racism, perhaps the white racists would stop coming out of the woodwork.

Posted by: Keyser Soze | June 23, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I always thought Michelle Obama looked like Sasquatch in a dress. Can you imagain an amazonian momma like that in the White House.

Posted by: PeaPod | June 23, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Muslim religion is paternalistic and the Christian religion isn't? Wow, apparently you people really aren't that intelligent. All religions are oppressive and violent. Listen to Rod Parsely, Pat Robertson, John Hagee, or Jerry Falwell. Christians have been just as, if not more oppressive and violent than the Muslim religion. Think Inquisition, Reformation, Slavery, Serbia. Pathetic that you are even allowed to post anything on blog boards. Even more pathetic that you are arguing about which religion is right or wrong. I mean isn't the argument really over who's magical unicorns has a bigger horn, or how having sideburns makes you somehow immoral?

Posted by: Chris | June 23, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

So she shoplifted when she was in her teens, she can never live that down? Give me a break. Are you aware of Mccain's wife? She was a drug addict all through the 80's and 90's. No one is saying anything about that..

Can you imagine if Obama's wife was a known ex-drug addict? What would people be saying right now??

Posted by: very concerned | June 23, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Dianne72 | June 23, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

There is a new rumor that a video exists of Michelle Obama dancing to "Play that funky music, white boy" which I'm going to consider a racist incident or a typical wedding reception. I have yet to pick a side on this one.

Posted by: SuperPants | June 23, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Seems like an expected comment from the Republicans. Sounds a lot like the "new Pearl Harbor" comment from the PNAC. Look where that got us....9/11.

Posted by: Lyle | June 23, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Charlie Black's dumb comment shows McCain's lack of judgment here. This guy should be removed from McCain's team - and for good reason. It was completely ridiculous what the GOP did to Obama's vetter Johnson - but it REALLY makes sense to remove Charlie in this case.

Just think about it - if McCain tolerates this guy's idiotic remarks - then it shows that he doesn't mind disrepectful remarks like this. That's really low. How would all the families - who lost loved ones in 9-11 feel - if they knew that McCain's aid was thinking about the benefits of Americans' deaths? My friend's father died in 9-11, and I don't think he would appreciate this comment from McCain's guy.

McCain must remove Charlie from the campaign - because it's the ethical and moral thing to do. We cannot tolerate such a gruesome plan of gaining advantages from the deaths of Americans. It's sickening.

Posted by: Allen | June 23, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of either McCain or Obama but I do know I'll never vote for someone (Obama) who will destroy this country trying to make it into the United Socialist States... disregarding human life (abortion) and raising taxes for all... yeah, what a guy...

Posted by: Dan | June 23, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of racist prawns in this room. Especially the guy with the comment "Shaniqua." And I would love it if you could find the "whitey" tape, because nobody else can. It simply doesn't exist. As a white male , ashamed that some of these people are a part of my race. Racist, ignorant, insignificants have no place in public discourse, and should just recuse themselves to their sad, pathetic little lives of nothingness.

Posted by: Victor | June 23, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, can we get beyond the "senior aide said this or that" crap? I want to know what Obama and McCain stand for, and yet only McCain is talking. I'm afraid of what I don't know about Obama, because he speaks in generalities and euphemisms. He's a scary, scary politician because he'll sell his own church to get ahead in the political game. NO-BAMA.

Posted by: KinCO | June 23, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, whether or not you want to belive it is true, McCain is the only choice. Barack Hussein Obama's african family thinks he is Muslim. Islam is a paternal religion, so, as Baracks father was Muslim, Barack was born a Muslim. He is now a Christian. In Islam, ALL sects of Islam, that makes him an apostate. The penalty in Islam is DEATH. Do we really want a president that the entire Muslim world thinks should be put to death because he is an apostate? The sucicide bombers would be endless...

Posted by: Keyser Soze | June 23, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72...you're a disgrace to the human race. Go away...you sad pathetic person you! How unhappy you must be...OBAMA WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT -- GET OVER IT (AND YOURSELF!)

Perhaps this video will help you to GET OVER YOURSELF!

http://www.vimeo.com/808451

Posted by: InMyOpinion | June 23, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst presidential contest I have seen in my 60+ years. McCain is a patriot, but I'm not sure about his judgment. Obama, is inexperienced and not a realist. We have no clear choice. On top of that, the government is way off kilter. So many protections have been eroded and the big money runs everything. Greed has taken its toll on our country.

Posted by: Steve | June 23, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

So true that he is only sad about saying it. They are a sad lot but I guarantee you that they are not crying. They are laughing with how easy its to manipulate and get rich off the american public. They come out with 1 bill that makes it look like they are heroes when they are the ones putting us in the mess. Fear is what religions use to control the masses too. They have all the money and power and make all the rules. Like Gekko said in the movie Wall Street, "You think we live in a democracy Buddy?"

Posted by: theanomaly | June 23, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Just a few I found on the web. If he wins (long shot), we'll have a field day with this...

McSame
McBush
McCorpse
McNasty
McLame
McStain
McBane
McMaggoo
McBatGuanoCrazy
Mc4000DeadNotEnough
McAnus
McInsane
McWar
McCan't
McPain-in-my-ass
McMetamusil
McRambo
McTerminator
McCaca
McCocky
McCrazy
McCombat
McCocktail
McCompost
McClueless
McDonalds
McCornhole
McSaddamHussain
McButtTrain
McRain-on-my-parade
McMore-of-the-same

**And my personal fav**
McWhere'sMyCane

Posted by: Nuttin' funny | June 23, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

David, do think the crusades were a Christian accomplishment? What about the buggering of alter boys in the Catholic Church? Yeah, I would say the Christain faith has a lock on morality and accomplishments.

Posted by: SandyClaws | June 23, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Mr. Black was thinking when he made that statement? I doubt that McCain would allow an idiot to be his senior advisor. (would he?) So, assuming Mr. Black is not an idiot, then he must have had something in mind. My guess is that it was a bit of "saber rattling" at the American People. During the Cold War, the American goverment always made sure that their people were acutely paranoid about the "Red Menace". The current administration's bogie is the "Islamic Terrorist". So, Black is probably trying to tell all Americans that the "Terrorist" is still alive out there, just ready to to dish out another Pearl Harbor surprise, and so it would be in the people's best interest to vote for a fast draw, hip-shooting Republican like McCain. If the public's reaction is negative, then Black can always smile, say an "Aw, shucks sorry folks for shooting my mouth off" apology, and McCain gains points for admonishing one of his advisors for innappropriate commentary. Pretty clever ploy, don'cha all think?

Posted by: Tony Navarro | June 23, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Typical CONservative republican stuff. Throw a despicable comment / attack then recoil with feigned outrage. Even if Black is dismissed the seed is planted and Straight Talkin Savings and Loan Keating Five McSame will privately pat him on the back and keep him on the payroll. Probably even give him a cabinet post if McSame wins.
Perish the thought.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Apology or not, people who truly love America (as well as other freedom-loving people around the world) know that there are tnes of millions of Americans praying that terrorists will attack America and kill thousands of people (particularly liberal thinking people) just so "their side" can win the election.

It is sad, tragic and true.

Brian Richards.

Posted by: Brian Richards | June 23, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

oh by the way,did i mention he's black? hey allen,obama should be removed from the obama campaign.

Posted by: gary | June 23, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I can see David is a Obama supporter. Under the bus I go...

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | June 23, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Some of you on this list are a disgrace to the human race.

When Samantha Power called Hillary a "monster" and equally true but politically inappropriate thing to do, Obama didn't just "denounce" her, she had to resign.

If McCain was the "honorable" candidate he claims to be, he'd demand the same thing from Black. Black's comment is just not incindiary, it is UNACCEPTABLE from a major party candidate.

Unless, of course, you'd like the terrorists to "bring it on"???

Honorable is as honorable does.

It's McCain's turn to show the mettle of his honor.

Posted by: Ethan Q | June 23, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

McCain is only upset that his aide tipped their hand on how they intend to win.

Posted by: Thomas Mc | June 23, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey there Nadeem,
If I was a Muslim I too would denounce my faith. Just give me a list of all of their wonderful accomplisments. Pretty short list!

Posted by: David | June 23, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Notice how the comment by Campaign Spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker and the apology by Charlie Black are basically the same...obviously, it was a forced apology. Not sincere at all. Bunch of clones.

Posted by: Ya | June 23, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm for the candidate that limits presidential powers and slims down this "commander in chief" BS. As I have yet to hear any candidate seriously consider limiting presidential power, I'll just have to wait.

Posted by: SuperPants | June 23, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Dear llewis40,

Comfort yourself tonight whilst dreaming of Michelle Shaniqua Obaba (aka Sasquatch) is whispering "whitey" in your pale little ears.

Posted by: Dianne72 | June 23, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The hateful comments on here from both sides make me sick. Both Obama and McCain deserve a lot more respect than these posts reflect.
Yes, they are politicians, and political life is inherently corruptive, but I admire them both. They both have had to shade their real views a bit, but that's politically unavoidable unfortunately. Much as I like and respect McCain, and wished he had won the Republican nomination in 2000, I think Americans would be nuts to give his party another 4 years to finish the job of destroying the country. McCain would be much better than the worst president in US history, but the country desperately needs to turn the other way while what's left of the constitution, the Geneva Convention, the economy and ANY respect for America still survives.
That doesn't mean it doesn't gall me when I read the cheap shots and distortions about a man who is a national hero.
As for the overtly racist hate comments on Obama here, disgusting as they are, do these people seriously think they are going to covert or convince anyone with that nonsense?
Yes, the comments made by Black are disturbing and they do raise some questions about McCain's judgment, just as the Wright controversy did about Obama's, but I applaud McCain for his quick and decisive response.
There are oodles of policy differences between these two candidates, both of whom are patriots and men of honor. The people who can only spew hate are only helping the people they attack and bringing the level of discussion here down to the gutter. Please find some thugs forum to spew your hate and leave this one to serious people with dignity.

Posted by: Distin99 | June 23, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Because the tape dont exist. Or audio.Its a myth. Urban legend. Bigfoot and the damn Loch Ness Monster Dianne72. I know that for you haters and right wingers its like a wet October surprise dream that will not be fulfilled.

You and others of your ilk are so sad and pitiful. You know that OBAMA will be the next president of these United States. Its a shame that you folks cant accept that.

Posted by: llewis40 | June 23, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I could never vote for Barry Hussein because he has renounced his true Muslim faith.

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | June 23, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama 51 McCain 36. Its all over

Posted by: bob North Smithfield | June 23, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

McCain Said He Did Not Love America! Actual video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XQhu1inI-w

Why is Old Songbird McBush called a Songbird by the Vietnamese?

Was he brainwashed?

Google

McCain Songbird
McCain Adultery
McCain Temper
McCain Manchurian
McCain McNasty
McCain Equal Pay
McCain Economics

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Where are your Military Records, Old Songbird McBush? Why are you hiding them?

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/02/7302_charlie_black_j.html

Charlie Black, John McCain Aide and Super-Lobbyist

John McCain's primary defender in the Lady Lobbyist Scandal* is a man named Charlie Black. As a senior adviser to the campaign who is doing McCain's damage control right now, Black has to explain to the press that John McCain didn't have a romantic relationship with lobbyist Vicki Iseman, didn't treat Iseman's clients with undue favoritism, and isn't too close to lobbyists in general despite his years of anti-lobbyist rhetoric.

Black, of course, is a lobbyist. In fact, as the head of the extremely influential lobby shop BKSH and Associates, he's one of Washington's most powerful influence-peddlers. In the Washington Post story today about the lobbyists that populate the upper ranks of McCain's campaign (here's another guy), Black is listed as working for AT&T, Alcoa, JPMorgan, and U.S. Airways. He works and has worked for far more companies than that, however.

After the jump, every company BKSH has worked for since 1998, along with the total value of their contracts, as provided by the Center for Responsive Politics lobbying database.


Partial list is here.

Accenture - $780,000
ACCURAY- $120,000
Accuray Inc - $60,000
Accuray Incorporated - $60,000
Advertising Co Art-Eria - $200,000
Agency for Humanitarian Technolgoies - $120,000
Alcoa - $100,000
Amerada Hess Corp - $80,000
American Financial Group - $80,000
American Hotel & Lodging Assn - $460,000
American Hotel & Motel Assn - $240,000
American Kidney Fund - $20,000
American Management Systems - $80,000
American Medical Response - $840,000
American Psychological Assn - $940,000
AMR Corp - $280,000
Arc Enterprises - $40,000
Asoex Chilean Exporters Assn - $40,000
Assn of American Medical Colleges - $420,000
AT&T - $1,185,000
AT&T Inc - $720,000
Authentix - $210,000
Baxter International - $60,000
Bethlehem Steel - $540,000
Biochem Resources - $20,000
Bristol-Myers Squibb - $690,000
California School Employees Assn - $40,000
Carlton Co - $20,000
Cavendish Digicom - $40,000

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Roger wrote:
qaeda. Four years after Pearl Harbor, the commander who directed the bombing of Pearl Harbor, Tojo, was dead. Hitler was dead.

My Comment. Tojo was the prime minster of Japan, not the "commander". He was also not dead four years after 12/7/41. While he was sentenced to death (and the sentence was executed) by a War Crimes tribunal, he did not die until 1948. More importantly, the purpose of a war has never been to "kill" the leaders on the other side. That's a silly policy. Firstly, it places YOUR leaders in the position where the other side will try to kill them and secondly you need them alive to surrender to you. This, of course, was ignored by Bush et al in Iraq where they tried very hard to kill leaders in bombings.

Posted by: Not really.... | June 23, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Denounce, renounce, abhor, use whatever words you want. The truth of the matter is what Black said is true. It's the beast of politics that fear, even death, can give a candidate an advantage. The only sorry he feels is that he said it.

Posted by: erkola | June 23, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"Rebuilding America's Defenses," PNAC, (September 2000)...on transforming the military to project, rather than to protect America's interests, in the post-Cold War era...

"Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a
new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and
industrial policy will shape the pace and
content of transformation as much as the
requirements of current missions."

"...absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor..."

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Barry Hussein throws 1 billion Muslims under the bus. Hold on America, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | June 23, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I wonder when Michelle Shaniqua Obama's "whitey" tape will surface. I think the Republicans will release it in October. It would not

make sense to release it now. I know the Obama people dimiss it as a hoax but that is what they want you to beleive. Michelle Obama is a race

baiter. Did you hear her speach in NC? SHe kept saying throughout her speech that "they are trying to raise the bar", "they keep moving the

goal post", "they, they, they" ("They" is code for "Whitey") Everytime she would say these lines you would hear the audience reply, "uh huh",

"that's right", "amen", "I heard that" (obviously a black audience).

Posted by: Dianne72 | June 23, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Someone who does the bidding of dictatorships is not expected to have normal emotional connections to other human beings. His God is mammon.

Posted by: Terry | June 23, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

This kind of thinking reminds me of Karl Rove only Rove is genius sneaky enough to keep it out of sight much more. This moron displayed a complete lack of soul, emotional intelligence, empathy or even intelligence enough to hide those things from the media. John McCain pretty much had to chatise the guy. I don't imagine he will fire him or quit the church tho.

Posted by: Gaias Child | June 23, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

If there was another terrorist attack, perhaps we could have our little war with Iran, regardless of where the terrorists originated from.

That would be peachy.

Posted by: SuperPants | June 23, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly why I vote for McCain and not Obama. His response was swift and appropriate and clear. Not like Obama supporting Rev. Wright, Trinity Church and public financing.

America is in troubled times that calls for real leadership, and McCain continues to demostrate his abilities to be a leader and not a weak and phony front man.

Time to "Move On" America!

Posted by: McCain Woman Democrat | June 23, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Why does Old Songbird McBush hide his Military Records? Kerry signed the 180 Waiver. What is he hiding?

Google these to learn more

McCain Songbird
McCain Arizona Mob
McCain Lobbyists
McCain Adultery
McCain Traitor
McCain Temper


JOHN MCCAIN'S LOBBYIST CONNECTIONS TO DICTATORS, OIL REGIMES, AND CHILD ENSLAVERS THE WORLD OVER

Last week, two McCain staffers resigned after it was reported that they had performed extensive lobbying on behalf of the Burmese junta. However, Doug Goodyear and Doug Davenport are the not the only lobbyists on McCain's campaign staff with ties to unsavory international figures.

Three other lobbyists, Charlie Black, Tom Loeffler, and Peter Madigan, and their firms' clients, have generated at least $3.5 million in campaign donations to Sen. McCain over his career, according to Campaign Money Watch analysis of campaign finance data provided by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics (hyperlink: www.opensecrets.org). DCI Group, which employed Davenport and Goodyear, and their clients provided less than a quarter as much campaign money -- $817,685 -- to McCain's elections.

Charlie BlackCharlie Black, McCain's senior counsel and spokesman, began his lobbying career by representing numerous dictators and repressive regimes

* Black's firm represented the governor of Philippines dictator Ferdinand Marcos. According to a 1985 report, the firm Black, Manafort & Stone earned $950,000 plus expenses for its work to provide "advice and assistance on matters relating to the media, public relations and public affairs interests."1

* Black's firm lobbied on behalf of Mobuto Sese Seko of Zaire, earning $1 million a year for his efforts.2

* Black's firm lobbied on behalf of Somali dictator Mohamed Siad Barre.3

* Black's firm represented Nigerian dictator Ibrahim Babangida, earning at least $1 million for his efforts.4

* Black's firm has represented Equatorial Guinea, an oil-rich state "best known for the outlandish brutality of its rulers."5

* Black represented Angolan rebel and "classical terrorist" Jonas Savimbi, a job that earned him $600,000.6 "We have to call him Africa's classical terrorist," Makau Mutua, a professor of law and Africa specialist told the New York Times. "In the history of the continent, I think he's unique because of the degree of suffering he caused without showing any remorse."7

* In recent years his client list has also included the Iraqi National Congress8, Blackwater9, and the China National Off-Shore Oil Corp.10

* Since 2005, BKSH has received more than $700,000 in fees from foreign entities.11

Thomas LoefflerThomas Loeffler, co-chairman of McCain's campaign, has represented the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia RESIGNED: Click here

* The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia paid the Loeffler Group "a whopping $7.9 million from December 1, 2005, though November 2006 -- the largest fee collected from a foreign government by any lobbying firm in 2006," according to National Journal.12 The Washington Times reported that "Mr. Loeffler's firm has received more than $10 million since 2006 from the Saudi Embassy and the Ministry of Commerce & Industry of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia."13 Much of this work was centered on gaining admission for the Kingdom to the World Trade Organization.14

* Since 2005, according to the Washington Times, "the Loeffler Group reported more than $11 million in fees from foreign lobbying clients."15

Peter MadiganPeter Madigan, a leading McCain fundraiser, lobbies on behalf of the king of Dubai

* Madigan has earned upwards of $800,000 to improve the United Arab Emirates' reputation in the face of a class action lawsuit over the enslavement of boy camel jockeys.16

Click here to download the fact sheet (pdf).

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people are suprised. Isn't that what republicans have been doing the last 7 years?

Posted by: silverspring | June 23, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

fear sure worked for shrub... that and judicial activism

maybe alito will get a chance to throw in his helping hand, this time around... certainly he deserves the thrill of getting to pick a president as much as anyone else on the supreme court

Posted by: daweeni | June 23, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." -- FDR

"We have nothing to offer but fear-mongers." -- GOP

"We have nothing to hope for but more terror attacks" -- McCain campaign

Posted by: R M Gopal | June 23, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

You think this is bad, check out this article..(Non sequitur)

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclosure-phil.html

I think McCain got some real problems..

Posted by: very concerned | June 23, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Black's moment of honesty is a sample of the atmosphere at the very top levels of the GOP. It is the same reasoning that led to Osama bin Laden's "escape" in 2001, and the wierd lethargy of the Bush administration in dealing with the revival of Al qaeda. In truth, they only see advantages from keeping a terrorist on tap. And they have nothing to fear from a media that has let seven years slip away without asking question one about the bizarre survival, indeed, the flourishing, of Al qaeda. Four years after Pearl Harbor, the commander who directed the bombing of Pearl Harbor, Tojo, was dead. Hitler was dead. But seemingly, after spending a good trillion and a half dollars on the Global war on terror, the U.S. can't destroy the leadership of a small paramilitary group.

One can only look with pity on those who support Bush and McCain. They are the self-lobotomized. They live on rumors, paranoia, and absurdities. Half educated, they often get jobs that are connected to the Defense department welfare train, and thus join together self interest and their half psychotic aggressiveness. They are a sad lot.

Posted by: roger | June 23, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

One thing I would like to see is all the hate, fear and smearing of people go away and people vote for someone and not against the person. Don't listen to what the media puts out. Listen to the person and decide who is right. Lets make elections honest and without swiftboating

Posted by: Kelly | June 23, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

What is truly ridiculous about this (and possibly genius) was the campaign response. They managed to turn this into an attack on McCain's security credentials in which McCain and Black had to recognize that McCain has worked hard for national security. Black's comments were really an insult to Barack Obama and American's intellect, assuming that we're still dumb enough to think it's the Republicans who will protect us.

Posted by: Graham | June 23, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

What's the fuss? It *is* true, after all...

Posted by: Dave | June 23, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

December 12, 2006...

RUMSFELD: That's what I was just going to say. This President's pretty much a victim of success. We haven't had an attack in five years. The perception of the threat is so low in this society that it's not surprising that the behavior pattern reflects a low threat assessment. The same thing's in Europe, there's a low threat perception. The correction for that, I suppose, is an attack. And when that happens, then everyone gets energized for another [inaudible] and it's a shame we don't have the maturity to recognize the seriousness of the threats...the lethality, the carnage, that can be imposed on our society is so real and so present and so serious that you'd think we'd be able to understand it, but as a society, the longer you get away from 9/11, the less...the less...

Posted by: Phillipuk | June 23, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad he made his comments in a magazine interview, and not on TV. His face could have looped over and over saying those words just like Reverend Wright. Denounce AND reject, McLame!

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 23, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I can't figure out the offense here. Everyone who is now familiar with the GOP's playbook of fear should know and understand that this guy only spoke the truth. Sometimes now I think the GOP is out to "wag the dog" and maybe jolt some inane group out there to try it again in this country, so they can gleefully turn around to the rest of us and say, "see that-told ya so, told ya so" as if the act is truly all they want and need for justification of their crappy policies.
McCain is a fool for not backing up his guy for speaking the truth.

Posted by: Suzanne | June 23, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Many of us were thinking that the Bush administration helped to get Benazir Bhutto killed only because she was a threat to our man Musharraf, didn't even consider the fact that it helped out McCain. Have to give those Rethuglicans credit, this one was a twofer!

Posted by: Paulie200 | June 23, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

This "gaffe" by Black was undoubtedly approved at the highest levels of the McBush campaign. McBush maintains deniability while making sure the message gets out. Fear is the only way the Repugs can get votes. It's Rove, Cheney, and Bush all over again. No honor and no integrity.

Posted by: Randy | June 23, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Why wouldn't an attack before the election be proof that that Republican War of Terrorism hasn't worked? If they haven't attacked, it is because they haven't wanted to attack. Israel has a much more sophisticated ability to identify and thwart terrorists and even they can't do it 100% of the time. The success of the Bush administration in fighting terrorists is a joke--the reality is that it is expensive to send people here and cheaper to go to England or Spain etc. We are only safe because no one is seriously trying.

Posted by: Judy | June 23, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

To even consider Senator John McCain as president is to further enable the
terrorist cause initiated by the Bush
Regime to further fester itself both
globally and nationally. As per 9/11,
the most significant question never answered by our illegitimate/Terrorist
President George W. Bush or his Henchman
Vp Dick Cheney has been why Saudi Prince
Bandar was allowed to leave US airspace
immediately after 9/11 when all commercial aircraft was grounded? Answer:George W.
Bush is the adopted child of the Saudi
Royals.

Posted by: Jet-Man | June 23, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

The remaining 21% can be had by hate-mongering, scare-tactics, and on rightwing issues like Guns, God, abortion and Homosexuality while the country falls in ruin.

Its a formula that works.

Posted by: Raj | June 23, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Some people have no shame. Implicit in Charlie Black's comment is that somehow only the republicans can keep this country safe. What rot. The GOP feeds on fear or any other despicable tactic to win elections. Remember what FDR said: "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."

Posted by: abby0802 | June 23, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I knew it wouldn't be long before some pathetic crackpot conspiracy theorist would jump on this like stink on sh*t.

"Bush and Cheney committed 9/11."

Right, not a shred of evidence but you are "certain."

"True Americans with a shred of intelligence, or honor"

That would exclude you "Will Jones"

" need but read Emeritus Professor David Ray Griffin's scholarship on the subject."

What "scholarship", David Ray Griffin is an America-hating crackpot. His claim to fame is theology, which is apt for a conspiracy theorist.

"Charlie Black told the convenient truth of GOP fascist plutocracy. "

LOL! If this is a fascist plutocracy how does a "dangerous subversive" such as your self get a way with this claims?


Posted by: YoMama | June 23, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

30 % of Americans would vote Republican even if Bush and McCain publicly accepted that they are war-mongers who have built their political career on deceit and propoganda.

Posted by: Raj | June 23, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

wARMONGERS AND DECEITFUL PROPOGANDA LEADING TO RUNIOUS WAR = Bush, McCain and the Republican anti-America machine.

Posted by: Raj | June 23, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again, Do consverative think that the American are STUPID?
George Bush, has already used this PLAY, remember they 2004 election, when they had loud mouth Tom Rigid.
Why, in the hell did'nt they do something about the TERRORIST before 9/11, when they were sleep on the job.
It might work again depending how many stupid Americans fall for this trick....
This are the same people that did'nt bother serving their country when they had the chance...Bunch of COWARDS...

Posted by: Louis Levario | June 23, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Well I guess in a scorched Earth strategy, a few hundred or thousand dead Americans in a "potential" terrorist attack would be beneficial to the McCorpse campaign. What a macabre and callous statement.

Posted by: jab00 | June 23, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Another 9/11! The neocons' wet dream. And even as McCain tries to flex his jaws to denounce Consigliere Charlie Black, his cheeks swell turgidly and he must spit the words out like empty fragments of acorn husks.

Posted by: The Chipmunk of Doom | June 23, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

"Charlie Black, one of McCain's most senior political advisers, said in an interview with Fortune Magazine that a fresh attack 'would be a big advantage to him.'"

Gee, anyone want to guess who wants to be SecDef or national security advisor in a McCain administration? I think we've found McCain's Reverend Wright. Does McCain denounce AND reject him?

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 23, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

You'd like to think that we don't have nut jobs running the country....and then a senior adviser to one of our most experienced senators, a senator running for the presidency, no less, suggests that a terrorist attack would help his candidate. This is beyond tasteless, it's beyond stupid, it's beyond disgusting, it's in a class by itself. Apparently, it hasn't occurred to Mr. Black that Senator McCain might actually campaign and win based on his own merits.

Posted by: Bob22003 | June 23, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans love the "fear factor" sale.

Americans have mostly become de-sensitized to it.

Black's comments are -bang on- in terms of cause and effect

It's just very poor form to say so.

(It's also poor form to assume the GOP are the only "security" minded party).

TIme to flush the GOP for 2 - 3 terms. Raise taxes to pay down the horrendous $9T deficit. (It took 40 years to get it to $6B; took Bush 6 years to increase it by another $3T .... this costs the US tax payer another $650M per DAY in borrowing costs). Cut the pork for the oil co's (Royalty pasytments past due),

Posted by: Allen Braun | June 23, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

yes, the unspoken agenda of propaganda is hard at work in the GOP.

I wonder how many supporters of GOP candidates are just as likely to say things like,"Bomb, Bomb, Bomb...Bomb Bomb Iran" - wait, it's been said before? McCain gets that credit?

And the ever popular "Nuke 'em", must be on the pursed lips of every xenophobic GOP, too. (look at the bumper stickers)

Kinda makes you want to cheer on Iran to make it a fair fight, doesn't it?

What we say and do ought to be the same. When personal agendas interfere with representative democracy, then we have anarchy, don't we?

well, what the heck is it when personal agendas override common law, say, like the guantanamo bay ordeal?

I call it Criminal, and certainly not worthy of the moniker, "Democracy".


Watch yourselves, GOP. You are NOT above the law.

Posted by: pgibson1 | June 23, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

"We all know the terrorists won't attack until a weakling called obama is President. Given Push to Shove, Obama will not do whats right for America..."

-Dwight | June 23, 2008 7:48 PM

1. The "weakling" just bested the formidable Clinton political machine and a ferocious opponent to secure the Democratic nomination. Some weakling.

2. "Obama will not do whats right for America..." Why not? Even the greatest fool on earth will not "not do what is right for" a country where his young children are growing up. Besides, "not doing what is right for America" is not exactly the ticket to a second term. [Consider George Bush the proverbial exception.]

The Republicans want photo IDs for voters. Why don't they agitate for some kind of test for a minimal level of common sense to qualify as an American voter? "We all know [the answer.]"

Posted by: R M Gopal | June 23, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of despicable scumbags. They are literally praying for another terrorist attack, as they offer the country absolutely nothing bur fear & war mongering. McBush is a senile, doddering old fraud better suited for a Nursing Home than the White House.

Posted by: shiva7 | June 23, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Bush and Cheney committed 9/11. True Americans with a shred of intelligence, or honor need but read Emeritus Professor David Ray Griffin's scholarship on the subject.

Charlie Black told the convenient truth of GOP fascist plutocracy.

Obama's "Audacity of Hope" shows he's "wrapped his mind around" the truth and will rectify it.

Failing impeachment and treason trials with execution for the traitors whose evil is already known, why should aware citizens expect any less than that which the Roman Anti-Christ has been committing against America since the assassination of Meriwether Lewis?

Tempus Fugit

Death for Treason - Extirpate the Fifth Column at our throats

Annuit Coeptis

www.theamericanfundament.blogspot.com

Posted by: Will Jones | June 23, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse


Such hooey. McCain's campaign is grandiose and delusional to pump this tale that he has spent "his entire life protecting this country."
Rubbish. he is a seantor, not the Lone ranger.
He is a Senate career artist who sat in his office and voted up or down and drafted proposed legislation and made a lot of smug, pious speeches. Dull, too.
His campaign would have you think he's been the man out protecting us all.
Bull.
And , bull, too, to his cheap rhetoric that he has some enlightened understanding about national secority because he was an officer and POW. More bull.
If anything, it makes him more dangerous since he believes military solutions solve problems. And, he's delusional enough not see they don't... five years, 4000 soldier deaths, 100,000's maimed and wounded and three-trillion deficit-dollars into the Bush-Cheney Neo-Con war design. We don't need another John Wayne in the White House. No more bull from McCain's All-Bull Express.

Posted by: JMFulton, Jr. | June 23, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

A vote for Senator John McCain is a vote for further terrorist activities abroad,
and the continued high security risks
which our nation will continue to face.
Mr. McCain like our present illegitimately
elected President George W. Bush is what
the true face of terrorism is about.

Posted by: Jet-Man | June 23, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"...If anyone is using fear mongoring it is you liberals who are putting fear in the American people by telling them that we are less safe. The fact is you liberals have done absolutely nothing to defend this country or our interest abroad..."

Posted by: mussina | June 23, 2008 7:53 PM

I'll take a liberal over your idiotic mentality any day, you moron mussina. You are a disgrace. Nothing more. Simply an appalling neanderthal. Go wallow in your Limbaugh hate. Better yet, move out of my country, you festering pestilence. And take your fellow hate and fear-mongerers with you.

Posted by: I have a one way ticket out of the USA for you, Mussina | June 23, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

All Black has done is say what the GOP is praying for. They will do anythign to hold on to power.
The cloud over this subject began with the neo-cons saying a "Pearl Harbor" type of event "may be necessary" to push the country towards the kind of action being advocated by Cheney and his ilk before they came to power. With many questions about 911 still unanswered, I wouldn't be surprised to see another attack, and would not put it past our current administration to either create one or stand aside and let something happen. When is the next "exercise' scheduled?

Posted by: Jack Jarvis | June 23, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

mussina,
Thanks so much for your enlightened theories on American foreign policy. You might want to learn the difference between "their" "there" and "they're" before submitting your views for publication.

Posted by: A Guy Who Can Read | June 23, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

And mussina its right wingers like yourself with that kinda attitude that has us as the most hated and despised
country in the world . With your colonial mindset to take over all and every damn thing that dont seem to bow down to our American way of life. You folks are all the same. If there's anyone or something you dont understand you will do whatever you can to control it, if you cant control it you will destroy it. Colonialization. Really makes me sick.

Posted by: llewis40 | June 23, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

But did he reject and denounce?

Posted by: HillaryClintonVoice | June 23, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow Mikie44 If the republicans use the fear card then the democrats used the we will do nothing when we are attacked card while Clinton was in office. How many terrorist attacks happened while Clinton was in office how many members of Al Qaida were never caught during the clinton administration. Since 9/11 their has been no terorist attacks on American Soil or on American interest and more terorist have been killed or captured. Just of your information it was Al Qaida who made Iraq the central front of the war on terror. They thought that is where they can defeat us and look what happened to them they are on the run and are about ready to get crushed. They and the Taliban can't get control of Afghanistan.

The more people they send into these two countries the more we get to kill. Let the terrorist fight us there at least they are dying over their and not here in our country.

If anyone is using fear mongoring it is you liberals who are putting fear in the American people by telling them that we are less safe. The fact is you liberals have done absolutely nothing to defend this country or our interest abroad.

Posted by: mussina | June 23, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Yawn. This is news?

Posted by: Somewhere in NoVA | June 23, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes, just a little slip, except they happen every day! After Bush I would think we would want competence.

Posted by: BG1 | June 23, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Come on!! Give me break here.
I have had enough with Republicans. As matter of fact, all politicians are crazy. Have another war to be next president? Same equal pay for women? Be more practical!! No one will send their children or grand children to war to get killed after wonderful time watching their growth. I am an immigrant and not having equal treatment at all at work for the promotion opportunity and salary increase.

Posted by: inocent citizen | June 23, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Terrorist attacks in Iraq will help Obama. So what?

Posted by: Ed | June 23, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I knew it!!! McSame is so bankrupt of ideas that are independent of Bush's wrong direction that they are praying for another 9.11 in order to appeal to our fears and not our hopes. What a shame! It is appalling and beyond reason to hope for this.
The Burmese dictators lobbyists is so wrong and McSame is probably behind this too. How can your senior-most adviser say this without your knowledge? Either fire him at least or apologize to the American people.

Posted by: CHE | June 23, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

We all know the terrorists won't attack until a weakling called obama is President. Given Push to Shove, Obama will not do whats right for America...

Posted by: Dwight | June 23, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

While you've got Charlie on the phone, ask him if it will help McCain when we bomb Iran.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

As abhorrent as the comment is...

Can anyone here deny that the statement in question is true? Bueller? Bueller?

I pray that another terrorist attack does not happen regardless person or party in power. It is NOT a political issue, it is an issue of lives! STOP POLITICIZING THIS AND GET ON WITH PROTECTING THE COUNTRY...ITS WHAT WE HIRED YOU IDIOTS TO DO!!!!

Posted by: Chefra | June 23, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I recommend sending Black to Guantanamo for an attitude adjustment.

Posted by: Patrick J. Kiger | June 23, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh my. A little slip of the tongue and we want to hang him out to dry. Lighten up!

Posted by: Karl | June 23, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow. The October surprise, thoughtfully wished for by a highly placed campaign aide of John McCain, who naturally "denounced" it.

How convenient for John McCain. To be able to have his filthy, bloody handed, thieving, murdering henchmen say what he probably thinks, and then be able to "denounce it."

I bet he'd be willing to ARRANGE it, if he thought it would get him the presidency.

Posted by: VA_Lady2008 | June 23, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Someone on McCain's campaign is finally honest about their strategy - use fear as a club against the voters.

Posted by: maggots | June 23, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

You can't make this stuff up! The GOP is doomed, and will be reduced to the status of splinter party after November.

Posted by: H5N1 | June 23, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Wait, you say that McCain is promising Mexicans amnesty now?

I can't keep track of his position on immigration ever since he decided to oppose his own immigration plan. Maybe he's holding a contest and he'll support whichever camp gets more people to vote for him?

Actually, that's a little unfair of me. Immigration isn't the only issue where I no longer know his position. He's my Senator, but I no longer have any idea what he believes in except for getting votes.

People tell me I should vote for him because I'm a Republican and I always have been. But they don't understand that that's the reason I CAN'T vote for him any more!

Posted by: Joe | June 23, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Funny how they like to call Obama inexperienced and then they make huge political gaffes like this! The end is near for the McCain campaign. The bottom is falling out.

Posted by: Joe Donahue | June 23, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

The fear card is the only card these loser Republicans have. So we can expect them to play it every chance they get. Oh, I forgot the race card. Just wait.

Posted by: mikie44 | June 23, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

No, John McCain has spent his entire political life using perceived threats on the security of the US to advance his career. Fear mongering -- a Republican specialty. Check out Bill Kristol's appearance on Fox Sunday saying that if Obama looked like he might win in November, look for George Bush to bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran. These Neocons play with our security and lives of our troops (Iraq anyone) like we're all pieces on a chess board. Permanently take them ALL out of "the game."

Posted by: straight talk my a** | June 23, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

MnAmnsety is an secret meeting with Latino Activists promised them Amnesty in return for votes. McNut is willing to give the southwest to Mexico so terrorist are the least of our worries about the treason planned by McNut!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Seeing they play the fear card every chance they get of course they believe it would help Mccain. The threat of an attack either real or imagined has been the cornerstone of the Mccain campaign from the beginning. The fact is, the only reason there has not been an attack is the terrorists choose not to. It would take nothing for one to just walk in and blow up a shopping center. Hell, you can just set fires it doesn't matter. Terror is easy.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

You can't argue that George Bush and the Republican Party didn't "benefit" from 9/11. It forced the public to grant him the "benefit of a doubt" when it came to the biggest political power grab in 50 years. Once he became a "war time" President (however he decides to define war), the courts will support extraordinary executive power. If you don't think that there's an October surprise in the works....you're dreaming.

Posted by: thebob.bob | June 23, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!! foo-oilish comment. John Mccain is laughing.Question," Senator Mccain, when people brought father Pflager issue it was a judgement issue but now your own top advisor wishes attack to the United states, how bout ur judgement?"
Senator Mccain," Ha ha ha!My advisor was telling joke. It's a non issue. Judgement ahh!u little jerk!!!!!!!!!!!"

Posted by: jelly | June 23, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

(ABOUT BLACK) "He has never governed. He wouldn't take part in governing. He is a non issue."

Bull (bleep!)

If he (Black) is so unimportant, why is he on the campaign staff?

My prediction: he won't be for much longer.

Posted by: SonOfHistoryProf | June 23, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Some kind of violent, cataclysmic action that catapults the nation into the GOP's warm embrace is obviously on the minds of these Republican strategists as they try to figure out how to engineer a third term for McBush. This is of a piece with the recent comments on Fox from Bill Kristol to the effect that the Cheney/Bush administration might decide to attack Iran if it looks like Obama is heading for victory. Such a thing would be the ultimate October surprise--to be followed, I'd expect, by a retaliatory terrorist attack (or certainly an attempted attack) on the U.S. by pro-Iranians, like Hezbollah? Is this, subliminally or otherwise, the evolving "game plan"?

And yes, it is also akin to talk of Obama's assassination, a la Bobby. In view of the proliferating, evil white-supremacy hate groups on which the Post ran a report yesterday, it does seem to me that there are plenty of right-wingers ready to turn to any kind of horrible desperation efforts to block the impending ejection from power of Cheney, Bush, and Co.

Are we looking at another 1968? Having lived through the latter, and remembering how it ended with Nixon's election, I'm very worried...

Posted by: jm917 | June 23, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Taken from The Note:

The assassination of Benazir Bhutto in December was an 'unfortunate event,' says Black. 'But his knowledge and ability to talk about it reemphasized that this is the guy who's ready to be Commander-in-Chief. And it helped us.' As would, Black concedes with startling candor **after we raise the issue**, another terrorist attack on U.S. soil. 'Certainly it would be a big advantage to him,' says Black."

Posted by: Echo21 | June 23, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Charley keep it private -

now Bush can't help as easy

Posted by: hismouthrunuthover | June 23, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Another aide lets the cat out of the bag! Sure been a lot of 'em this election.

Posted by: nazcalito | June 23, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

As I said before, McCain flew planes. He didn't fight on the ground, like lots of other guys did. He doesn't know.

He'd be much better off as Admiral McCain, don't you think?

Posted by: John of Arizona | June 23, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I think a new bionic body would also help him considerably and maybe a mini Lieberman planted in his left ear.

Posted by: I am 73 going on 74 | June 23, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

You stuipid republicans see how the whole smear campaign thing works? Sucks when idiots make a big deal out of a non-issue for the sake of defaming ones character, huh? Idiots.

Posted by: bab111 | June 23, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

it would be just what the doctor ordered
bomb bomb bomb bomb iran

Posted by: blood for oil | June 23, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I cant believe McCain said that! McCain wants another 911. McCain is the devil.

Posted by: bab111 | June 23, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

What an F'n idiot. What a blimey fool. What a bloody fool. What a degenerate. Resignation is in the cards......

Posted by: The hammer | June 23, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Jason I didn't say that Black brought it up. Are you saying that the reporter asked Black a question and Black gave that answer? Either way,it was an extremely stupid remark and it certainly gives the impression that John McCain had extremely stupid advisers. You, on the other hand, are perfectly entitled to think it's a sensible reply. However, if I was you, I wouldn't make your point in too many public places.

Posted by: Chrisle | June 23, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

To allen you are aware that in a debate last year Clinton said GOP would benefit from a terrorist attack.

Posted by: Jason | June 23, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Susan the reporter brought it up. This election sucks i hate it.

Posted by: Dan | June 23, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Chrisle, one huge problem the reporter asked Black the question, Black didn't bring it up. This was between the reporter and Black.

Posted by: Jason | June 23, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

This sounds vaguely reminiscent of a comment made by another candidate....something about assasination...

Is Barack Obama so formidable that his opponents have to resort to the most frightening and unsavory of scenarios to defeat him? I mean really, whatever happened to arguing the issues?

We are in really bad shape.

Posted by: Susan | June 23, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Black has nothing to do with policy. He is a political operative that has been on every campaign since Reagan. He has never governed. He wouldn't take part in governing. He is a non issue.

McCain worked to get the 9/11 commission to correct the mistakes that were made. He co-sponsored the bill.

I hate this McCarthyism guilt by association.

McCain has his own 19 year old son who just came back from fighting overseas and his wife had to wear a cell phone attached to her wrist in case something happened and she was called.

Enough of this guilt by association.


If you want to play this game. Father Pflager was an Obama campaign advisor who prasied Farrakkan.

This election is a disgrace.

Democratic operatives have said the same thing Black said to Jake Tapper but he won't report there names.


Black was asked the question. He didn't bring it up. Black was talking about Bhutto and it helping. This was in the context of the primaries and it helping. This interview with Black was a long time ago. What Black was saying was the experience of McCain helped him when the Bhutto controversy erupted.

It wasn't a political shot. The Bhutto story happened a long time ago.

Posted by: David | June 23, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

It was certainly tacky and low.

But isn't that what most reporters say in their analysis, their discussions, etc.? I've read at least a dozen times (even here on WAPO) that everything this year is in Obama's court, the democrats' court . . . but a national security event could change that.

It was a very tacky comment coming from a campaign aide, but I hardly think he's wishing and hoping for it.

Its a point of conjecture that has been made by journalists, pundits, etc. numerous times.


Posted by: Echo21 | June 23, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Clinton in 2007 said a terrorist attack would help the GOP. Obama advisors have said the same thing to Jake Tapper he just reported.

Clinton last year in a debate said a terrorist attack would help the GOP. This interview was during the primary. He was talking about bhutto. That was last december. He was saying it helped against the republicans. This shows it wasn't a partisan attack. He was talking about experience not a partisan attack. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/24/clinton.terrorism/index.html

Posted by: Sean | June 23, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Barak Obama got rid of an adviser to a calling Hillary Clinton a "monster". John McCain's adviser thinks their campaign would benefit from having a few dozen/hundred/thousand Americans killed and John McCain doesn't get rid of him. It certainly looks as though they were talking about it.

Posted by: Chrisle | June 23, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Black should be removed from McCain's campaign. Any respectful candidate would NOT have a idiot like Charlie Black on their team. We should not tolerate advisers who make comments like this. Charlie Black's statement shows that McCain's people only care about winning and not about the welfare of the American people. We must put the wellbeing and lives of the US people above the campaign. I'm so disgusted by Charlie Black's statement because it shows such greedy and repulsive ideas. It's mind-boggling that anyone could think of profiting from an American's injuries and deaths. Charlie Black must step down or be removed because we cannot tolerate such pernicious and senseless statements.

Posted by: Allen | June 23, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

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