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McCain Says No to Returning Funds Raised by Controversial Oilman

Updated 4:09 p.m.
By Juliet Eilperin
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) will not return the $300,000 raised by a Texas Republican who joked in 1990 that women should submit to rape and "enjoy it."

Yesterday McCain cancelled a fundraiser that Texas oilman Clayton Williams was planning to hold at his Midland, Tex. home on Monday, after The Washington Post and ABC News questioned what the senator thought of Williams' remarks that women should give in while being raped. "As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it," he said during his unsuccessful bid for governor against the late Ann Richards.

Williams, who told the Midland Reporter-Telegram that he had already raised $300,000 for the presumptive GOP nominee, also said at the time that when it came to campaigning against Richards, he would "head her and hoof her and drag her through the dirt" like a cow on his ranch.

Democrats pounced on the comments, for which Williams has previously apologized, with Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Karen Finney today questioning why McCain would accept money raised by Williams.

"Mr. Williams' comments are not only outrageous and disgusting, they degrade our values as Americans," Finney said in a statement. "John McCain should make it clear that he understands just how offensive these comments are by not only canceling a fundraising event but also returning the money Williams raised for his campaign. Senator McCain should know that you cannot expect the American people to trust you if you say one thing when you stand on the stump and turn a blind eye to this kind of language when you think no one will notice."

However, a McCain aide, who asked not to be identified, wrote in an e-mail today that the campaign would not return the donations. The fundraiser was part of the Republican National Committee's Victory Fund effort, with the money being split between McCain and the RNC.

"No, these are contributions from individuals -- not from Mr. Williams -- and it makes no sense to deny them the opportunity to support John McCain," the aide wrote.

RNC spokesman Alex Conant said in an interview today that the Democrats had their own problematic fundraisers, including Jodie Evans, who cofounded the antiwar group CODEPINK and has pledged to raise at least $50,000 for Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.). Earlier this month, Evans suggested on a Kansas radio show that the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the U.S. were understandable in light of the American presence in the Middle East. "We were attacked because we were in Saudi Arabia," Evans remarked.

"When many of his contributors either have special interest connections or have said very offensive things, his hypocrisy is really amazing and undermines his campaign's message," Conant said of Obama.

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I didn't bring up the fate...one of your fellow Obamaniacs did, BUT... (the photo didn't copy...it's the one with Ali taunting the fallen Liston)

from WorldsFamousPhotos.com
This picture is one of the most famous moments in sporting history! It shows Cassius Clay knocking out Sonny Liston (former heavy weight champion) in the first minute of the first round, in a rematch (Muhammad won the match the year before after Sonny resigned to defeat complaining of a shoulder injury).

Speculations circulated about Liston's fall, many spectators considered the bout fixed, even the FBI investigated the case. Some say while preparing for the fight, Liston was visited by Black Muslims who threatened to kill his daughter Eleanor if he should win the rematch, others say Liston lay down for money.

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Fake is fake...your candidate sounds at times like he can float like a butterfly and sting like a bee....he certainly did at AIPAC...then the leader of the Palestinians, Abbas, tells him to lay down, and he does.

Posted by: Scott | June 15, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I didn't bring up the fate...one of your fellow Obamaniacs did, BUT... (the photo didn't copy...it's the one with Ali taunting the fallen Liston)

from WorldsFamousPhotos.com
This picture is one of the most famous moments in sporting history! It shows Cassius Clay knocking out Sonny Liston (former heavy weight champion) in the first minute of the first round, in a rematch (Muhammad won the match the year before after Sonny resigned to defeat complaining of a shoulder injury).

Speculations circulated about Liston's fall, many spectators considered the bout fixed, even the FBI investigated the case. Some say while preparing for the fight, Liston was visited by Black Muslims who threatened to kill his daughter Eleanor if he should win the rematch, others say Liston lay down for money.

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Fake is fake...your candidate sounds at times like he can float like a butterfly and sting like a bee....he certainly did at AIPAC...then the leader of the Palestinians, Abbas, tells him to lay down, and he does.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 15, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but I just can't imagine anyone would vote for a candidate (McCain) who called his wife (his current wife I might add) a c**t in public.

All you Clinton supporters...in spite of how you may feel about BO and the Dems, can you really stoop to that? Can you really stoop to voting for the man who would likely repeal Roe v. Wade? The man who voted against equal pay? The man who voted against the child health act? The many who cheated on his first wife?

This whole issue of experience is a red herring. Our current "wonderful" president had experience (Governor of a large state, like Reagan) and look what it has gotten us. Experience without judgment and intellectual curiousity is worth nothing.

Isn't it the Republicans who are always bemoaning the career politicians who run Washington? There is no one more representative of that then McCain, who has spent the last 20-25 years in Washington. Sheesh!!!

Posted by: Brad | June 15, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Scott
regarding another thread that is now gone. You are talking about the rematch with the first round knock out. You need to learn a little about boxing history if you are going to comment. Clay was already the champion and certainly not a 6 to 1 under dog.

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One half of the people voting for McCain will do so because they want him...the other half would vote for anyone but Obama for good and not so good reasons...did you ever see a slow motion film of that Cassius Clay punch that knocked out Sonny Liston? It never happened...all staged...you won $18,000 on a fake...now you seem to be backing a fake....Chris Mathews can tell us about the shivers he gets up his leg when your actor talks, but it doesn't make him one iota more qualified to run this country...in my view he hasn't enough experience, period...maybe that's why he complimented President Reagan during the primaries...he admired his rise to power on acting ability...but Reagan had executive experience as well...small matter of running California....yes, one or two more terms in the Senate and Obama will be able to throw a real punch with something behind it.

Posted by: Scott | June 15, 2008 12:42 AM

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 15, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I am not ashamed. Call it what you will, McCain is a terribly flawed candidate--both in style and substance. He is a doddering old fool, often confused on the issues and obsessed with war. Many, many of his votes have been mean-spirited particularly when it comes to women and those who are struggling.

Posted by: freerider | June 15, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

FREERIDER

"In the end, they just can't stomach snuggling up to the smelly old geezer with the high-water pants and jelly on his shirt."

-THIS REPRESENTS AGEISM...IT'S AS BAD AS USING THE N WORD...YOU AND OTHERS USING A SIMILAR LINE OF ARGUMENT SHOULD BE ASHAMED!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

As they say on ESPN, Pardon the interruption:

CNN Poll out this AM- 47/43 Obama, 4 point differential...down from 6 points last week...Gallop is at 2% difference

Bush is at 32% positive rating, SO America realizes the distinction between the Republican administration and candidate.

It's starting out to be a great week, with the first ELECTED Clinton delegate switching sides to McCain and the lack of any Obama bounce...keep it up John....

OK, back to the vile senility and vagina comments from the other side....

Posted by: Scott | June 15, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Some Hillary supporters may want to vote for McCain to spite Obama but come November, they won't. It would be like trying to kiss the guy who leaves you cold to get back at the suave guy who didn't call you after the first date. In the end, they just can't stomach snuggling up to the smelly old geezer with the high-water pants and jelly on his shirt.

McCain is a completely uninspiring candidate obsessed with war.

Posted by: freerider | June 15, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

For years, McCain has had this great reputation as a stand-up guy and a maverick. He's lost a great deal of that luster because he's pandered so hard to the right.

But I am stunned to learn what a bad candidate he is. He is a terrible, terrible speaker, his campaign team is lame beyond belief and his is completely unappealing to look at and listen to. The polls are registering support for the myth of McCain. That will diminish the more people see him.

A truly sad candidate. He makes Bob Dole look like JFK.

Posted by: carolinagirl | June 15, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

In an attempt to manipulate women into McCain's camp, McCain operatives are posing as pro-Clinton bloggers and organizers who are refusing to support Obama.
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You just keep thinking that, Barbara. We are not McCain operatives. Speaking for myself, I have never voted for a Republican nominee for president and I've had lots of chances. I probably won't vote for McCain in November, but I surely won't vote for Obama. I will not reward the DNC for their despicable behavior toward Senator Clinton and the Democratic voters.

Posted by: hazwalnut | June 15, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I suppose on the issues and citizens, in contrast to McCain, Obama gets the award!

Come on McCain, you can do it! Yes You Can!
Donate that $300k to charity, or to raise the fight for Equal Pay! You can do it!

Posted by: Obama2008 | June 15, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm... hitting McCain for the 20-year-old rape joke fundraiser. The Post is digging through thin material for its anti-McCain bash of the week.

How about Obama lying about Rezko's hundreds of thousands of dollars of campaign money? How about Obama writing a pledge to take federal election funds if his opponent does, but then breaking that pledge since he's raising more money?

This election year, when it comes to bad campaign money character, Obama gets the award. McCain would have to hold up a bank to be beat Obama.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 15, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"Besides, we aren't exactly polly pure on reporting rumors as facts, are we? (smile)"

Who's this we?
Where have you seen me pass on unsubstantiated rumors?
What a buffoon.

If you can't prove it, then don't post it. that goes for everyone as far as I'm concerned. Being a hypocrite, losing your integrity and credibility, and just plain making an A*s out of yourself because of a Political Election is being a buffoon.
My good name, my principles, and my love of my Country are more important than trying to play a smear game on ANY candidate.
But, for people like you, (subhuman), getting lower than whale poop by protecting your Party's candidate (no matter how flawed and sleazy they are), is more important than your own principles (if you have any). Don't you see how sleazy YOU come off by passing along these smears?
Obama would not needed a new smear website in the first place if people like YOU had any self respect and integrity.
Or is it OK to smear McCain, but not Obama?
Pathetic.

Posted by: RoBoTech | June 15, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

BTW I am a WASP, a 24-year retired military officer, and a lifelong 'R', but I will NOT vote for ANY 'R' this November.
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Yeah right... And I am General Norman Schwartzkopf. Go back to your computer games, you jerk. :)

Posted by: Frederik | June 15, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

McCain has so many lobbyists in his campaign that he reminds me of Max Bialystock of The Producers. McCain has promised so much to his financial big-corporate supporters that there is nothing left for working Americans.

Posted by: tanaS | June 15, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Dirty money is dirty money. Both of these guys want us to believe they are different, cleaner than the Clintons, for example, but they both have some creepy friends. Obama, for the most part, cuts ties with the creeps, McCain (and the Clintons) do not.
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HAHAHAHA... It is really hillarious how come after so many political scandals and shambles in our history one can still find some suckers /aka voters) who are to be so damn naive and easily fooled around by politicians, their promises, shouveling in Iowa and night shifts in hospitals in Illinois. No wonder we have the Congress and the president as we have. With idiotic voters like this one we don't deserve better.

Posted by: Frederik | June 15, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Wow, what a bad joke. More pathetic is the raping of the middle class through gasolene prices.

Well now, who will McCain be tomorrow, a federalist, a moderate, a centrist or should we just stick with this social conservative theme ? Yea, those social conservatives are certainly misers when it comes to their own money. Why, I hear it's a good thing to have an inside track on a home loan too, fits right in there with graft from Abramoff type people in my view.

I am just wondering if there is such a thing as war profiteering through speculating on oil futures ? Having lots of instablity in the middle east or norhern Africa helps I guess. I expect oil prices to spike later tonight as security situation in Iraq indicates our so called leaders are staying the course for at least the next 12 months.

Posted by: Mark W. | June 15, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

If McCain should be punished because Claytie said something stupid almost 20 years ago, and--to my knowledge--has never repeated it, what should the punishment be for Obama attending for the same twenty years a church in which the pastor repeatedly railed hate-filled vitriol?
-Wm Tate,
http://www.atimelikethis.us/

Posted by: Wm Tate | June 15, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

In an attempt to manipulate women into McCain's camp, McCain operatives are posing as pro-Clinton bloggers and organizers who are refusing to support Obama.

As McCain's baggage is aired, all but the most conservative women will see that he favors keeping women "in their place". Even in today's news, we learn that one of his top fundraisers, Republican oilman Clayton Williams, made a joke about rape, comparing it to the weather: "As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it." In Williams' gubernatorial campaign against Ann Richards, he compared her to his cattle, saying he would "head her and hoof her and drag her through the dirt."

The McCain campaign falls all over itself trying to tar Obama through guilt-by-association. What goes around comes around -- big-time!

Posted by: Barbara Campbell | June 15, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Well, c'mon now, why would you expect John-boy to return the money?

After all, McBush (or McFlipper if you prefer) called his own wife a cu** in public, and never apologized for it.

He is a complete Neanderthal, and everybody is starting to recognize it. That is why the RNCC is getting very, very concerned about the November elections and the HUGE number of Congressional seats they are going to lose!! It will probably leak down to the state and local levels too. Gonna be interesting!! Even Newt thinks the 'R's are in trouble.

YEA ! !

Enough of their crap, and lining their pockets at our expense.

BTW I am a WASP, a 24-year retired military officer, and a lifelong 'R', but I will NOT vote for ANY 'R' this November.


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Posted by: swanieaz | June 15, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

If Obama had not given the Rezko money back, maybe he would be as bad as McCain in this regard, but he did.

Dirty money is dirty money. Both of these guys want us to believe they are different, cleaner than the Clintons, for example, but they both have some creepy friends. Obama, for the most part, cuts ties with the creeps, McCain (and the Clintons) do not.

Posted by: shrink2 | June 15, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

HEY SHRINK 2
"Ironic. McCain decides to use the money of a man who thinks..."
IT'S MONEY HE'S RAISED FROM OTHER PEOPLE...NOT "his" MONEY...LIKE THE MONEY REZKO USED TO BUY THE LAND NEXT TO OBAMA'S HOUSE WAS BLOOD MONEY FROM AN ARAB MILLIONAIRE WHO LAUNDERED IT IN LONDON...IT WASN'T "HIS" MONEY....
JUST GO ASK SHRINK 1

Posted by: Anonymous | June 15, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

So if Fox News is "fair and balanced" and Hiatt has any integrity at all, why isn't this story looped continuously on the Irish Catholic Bigot hour(s) on Fox and in the daily Opinion pages of the Post like their stories about Obama's alleged associtions?

Posted by: Roy | June 15, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Sexism is as bad a racism... Maybe that's why he's lost his first elected Clinton delegate to John McCain...remember when Barack Obama referred to that reporter as "Sweetie"?...The "S" Word....well, the chickens have come home to roost...

by Frank James

Why did Sen. Barack Obama refer to a reporter during a Michigan campaign stop as "sweetie?"

Was it an attempt by the Democratic presidential candidate to show his affinity for blue-collar folks by attempting to sound like a waitress at a diner?

In the same vein, was he trying for a little machismo in front of the male workers at a Sterling, Michigan auto manufacturing plant he visited today?

Needless to say, a lot of women and even some men aren't going to like it...
(here's one below)
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Delegate's reversal stuns party
Wisconsin Democrat now publicly supports McCain
By CRAIG GILBERT
cgilbert@journalsentinel.com
Posted: June 14, 2008
Washington - As an avid supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primaries, Debra Bartoshevich is not alone in her frustration over Clinton's defeat.

She's not alone in refusing to support Barack Obama.

And she's not entirely alone in saying she'll vote this fall for Republican John McCain instead.

But what makes her unusual is that she holds these views as an elected delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Denver this summer.

"I'm sure people are going to be upset with me," said Bartoshevich, a 41-year-old emergency room nurse from Waterford in Racine County, and convention delegate pledged to Clinton.

Joe Wineke, chairman of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, reacted with disbelief when first told Friday afternoon that one of his state party delegates is now a McCain supporter.

"Not a delegate? To the national convention?" said Wineke, who was getting ready for the start of the Wisconsin state party convention Friday in Stevens Point.

"We have a Clinton national (convention) delegate who says she's voting for John McCain?" Wineke repeated, for clarification. "I've never heard of such a thing."

Posted by: Scott | June 15, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile devastated feminist emos who can't accept the fact that HILLARY LOST say they will vote for McCain in spite of his association with and support from Texas misogynists.

Posted by: Roy | June 15, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Well, this officially take Kathleen Sebelius out of the VP race. Her son sold a board game called DON'T DROP THE SOAP that was about prison rape, forced anal sodomy, and brutality. Governor Sebelius said she was proud of her son, who sold the game on internet porn sites from the governor's mansion.

Posted by: Karen | June 15, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Ironic. McCain decides to use the money of a man who thinks rape is funny to get elected President...on the day when the New York Times features a Kristof column about the use of rape as a weapon.

Maybe he isn't McSame, he could be much worse than Bush/Cheney, have you thought of that?

Posted by: shrink2 | June 15, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm so weary about stories about this or that person having fundraisers for the candidates. The fact is, its a free country and people can say what they want to say, even if it makes them look like a jerk.
I think whats more important here is if there is something illegal in the aspects of this particular fundraising. Being that its the GOP, I would be suprised if its not, and I would also be surprised if McCain returned the money. The man is deliberately breaking his own campaign finance laws, and therefore has no credibility if he ever did on that front.
I look forward to the town hall meetings and John McCain getting laid bare based on brute intellectual force, because the fearmongering and coercion of the GOP days are done.

Posted by: Suzanne | June 15, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

To equate one candidate's support of an anti-war activist with the other candidate's support of a man who obviously accepts his money along with his jokes about rape is true moral insensitivity on William's part and the money hungry campaign of John McCainl. But it is also disgusting to the reader and speaks to the moral insensitivity of all involved both in the telling as well as laughing at the story.

We are far away from the Christian view of the purpose of Freedom of speech embedded in the Founding Father's understanding and even farther away from what running for office is really about! Hopefully, the Christian Right will take care of disposing of Republican hopefuls such as William's and put him in his place among the witch-burners of the early centuries of Western civilization.

Posted by: og | June 15, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

You CAN'T equate the code pink founder who is trying to raise money for Obama with Clayton Willions.

McCain SPECIFICALLY had fundraisers with Clayton Williams to raise money for his campaign. Obama did NOT hold a fundraiser with the code pink founder.

Huge difference

Posted by: Stacey | June 15, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

notapawn, you say you are a realist. However, your history on Japan is unreal. Japan did not want to kill all the Americans. Why, and lose a great trading opportunity. Japan was a dictatorship, under the emperor, certainly not communist, mor like fascism under hitler. Hitler did not wish to engage America in war but had to after his ally, Japan, attacked us. Japan attacked ups because we stood in its way of controlling the eastern oil trades and they made the mistake of thinking we would not respond. Obama is not a Trojan horse, but a candidate who thinks before just saying, "war is the answer." Until recently, mostly under reagan, bush, and bush II administrations, this country has averted war in most instances by diplomacy. Bush I made sure he had a true coalition of allies before sending troops to Kuwait, unlike his son's fiasco. Reagan answered the brutal attack on our marines in Lebanon with an invasion of Grenada. Now there was a threat! McClain/Clinton 2008. Get serious. Other than their numbnuts gas-tax holiday, they would offer little. That's realism.

Posted by: mike l | June 15, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Why won't the MSM wake up and expose McCain
's HORRIBLE stance on women's issues?

McCain has vowed to overturn Roe vs Wade. It is not only on his website but McCain even reiterrated that YESTERDAY.

Also, McCain told an absolutely HORRENDOUS joke about Hillary Clinton, Chelsea Clinton and Janet Reno. He said that Chelsea Clinton is so ugly that her mother must be Janet Reno.

Wake up MEDIA!

Posted by: Michelle | June 15, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Some more of Straight Bull Sh@# from the senile "Straight Talk Express".

Posted by: alzach | June 15, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

It's not just the offensive comments it's the mind set that worries me. McCain was a cheating spouse who has a trophy, bimbo, drug addicted wife who stole to support her habit. What part of male chauvanist pig don't folks get?

Posted by: Katy Hill Prescott, Az. | June 15, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

why the weak comparison between the sadistic comments and demeanor on one hand, and a statement largely agreed to by a majority of the world?


mccain is straight slime on a narrow path.

Posted by: bloggod | June 15, 2008 3:37 AM | Report abuse

McCain has the misogynist vote all sewed up.

I assume the racist vote is soon to follow.

Posted by: Eddie | June 15, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

Uh, Not A Con, sorry to point this out...really sorry to burst your bubble..but ah, ah....ok, i will just say it

YOU ARE A RACIST!!! and you have no self awareness at all.

Sheesh

Posted by: Jack | June 15, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Here is the real McCain...this is how he treats women and how he talks about them...
The first link describes how he treated his first wife.

The second tells of him telling a horrid 'joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998...I beleive she was a teenager at the time. You can search to find the specific "joke."

He is sick.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

Posted by: Brad | June 15, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Anyone wondering about John McCain's positions on women's issues and his true views on Sen. Clinton needs to read Frank Rich's column in the NY Times Sunday. A great recap of McCain's positions on issues of importance to women and his campaign's duplicitous solicitation to Sen. Clinton's supporters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/opinion/15rich.html

Posted by: straight talk my a** | June 15, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

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Long diatribes aside,
Barack Obama is going to
be the 44th POTUS.


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Posted by: notafooljustanidiot(below) | June 15, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

With Obama running his Nazi campaign. I could care less that 18 years ago this guy made a drunken comment at a fund raiser!

OBAMA is a Trojan Horse! But before I go into that, I want to address these idiots about WWII. The world is extremely lucky that the Kamikaze Japanese attacked the U.S. Please refer to www.luft46.com . You will see Hitler's plan for America and the technology the U.S. obtained from the NAZIs. The Japanese would "stop at nothing" to kill all Americans, even though we were a neutral country at the time. The Japanese emperor (yes, Japan was not as civilized back then; it was basically communist) actually knew that only America had the power to stop the Germans and feared us. Ironically thank god, Japan attacked us and pulled us into the war. In 1946, Hitler's plan to kill America would have done just that. We had to do what we did to stop all efforts at ending democracy and freedom for all human beings. The Japanese would not stop... "God Bless America!"
In reference to the "race card", I actually out of mere curiosity looked up African American billionaires to see Business experience. I found that they as a whole race had only 4 Billionaires in U.S. history. Actually a Black Wo-MAN (Oprah Winfrey - Talk show host) had more money than any black "man" for 3 years running, but what I found is that Blacks have NEVER had a Multi-Billionaire in U.S. history. It scared me because the U.S.A. is a Multi-Trillion dollar country (business)!!! Obviously white little "boys" don't know anything about real money and Fifty (No Sense) Cent knows everything, much like many ENTERTAINMENT welfarians (Compared to Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, etc...). They don't know anything about Real Money and Real Business. Bottom-line blacks have not advanced into real business (Freedom of FREE ENTERPRISE) enough for any of them to run a Multi-Trillion Dollar Country... (What about in Africa? Why does the U.S. still contribute 50% of world wide food money? Why can't Africa have more 1st world countries? Why don't the Blacks take care of their own? Obama wants to Increase the Welfare Program and have a mandate for Health Care for Children so American taxpayers can pay for the children who don't have a responsible "MAN" in their lives. Please take a look at which race has the most children in adoption programs.)
OK Back to Religion, The United Church of ANTI-CHRIST in Chicago, where Obama attended for over 20 years, which by the way America, every year has 52 Sundays! Do the math! (20 years x 52 Sundays = 1,040 Anti-Christ Sermons!) WOW! And whites invented Aids but forgot to invent the cure! (Is Aids just a Black Disease? Um NO, we also forgot to make it racially specific, I personally have taken credit for Hurricanes.) Obama is simply acting like he is pro-american, but in truth his unforgiving and everlasting hate rivals Satan's himself. Reverend Wright/Obama's beliefs are simply insane! (The Wright Voting law should go into effect, where Voters can change their vote even after they've already voted because they should have the power to change their mind until the DNC.) "God will not hesitate to throw Satan out of Heaven, don't you ever, ever forget it!" Can the world imagine if Americans didn't help so many people?!?! Imagine it!
Spike Lee's comments to Clint Eastwood were ridiculous. Obama and Lee are simply successful in one aspect and that is to rehash a lot of old hate. "IF" we have another civil war in America, it will be called "The War of the Free". If Satan thinks he's better than God, then God will be more than happy to show him the door... The truth is, as all know, is that Blacks have not always been this advanced. Recently I viewed a show on the Discovery Channel where a Black "Man" invented Irrigation in Africa in 2007.
On to "Change we can Believe in." = "Change you can Xerox!" Wasn't it Hillary Clinton and the Clintons who taxed people over $250,000.00/year incomes? Um YES! So Obama got out his trusty Thesaurus and "changed the wording" but forgot to change the income amount. Payroll Taxes and Taxing people with over $250,000.00/year incomes is the same thing! Also, the DNC does NOT require candidates to report donors (campaign contributors) under $200.00. So Obama kept a list of all of these donors and literally bribed super delegates with his list. So when these Democrats go for re-election they have a fresh list of donors to once again loyally contribute.

In closing I want to say MCCAIN/CLINTON 2008. It's time for a Bi-Partisan Ticket, a Strong President with an economical genius VP (Clinton). The last time the U.S. had a Bi-Partisan ticket was Lincoln's 2nd term.

I'm not a racist. I am merely a REALIST, this is REALISM, do NOT mistake it for anything else...


Posted by: Not a Pawn that's prey to Con | June 15, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse


News Flash...the defection of Clinton delegates to McCain has begun! Wow, this makes sense on so many levels....experience counts....promising the sun, the moon, the stars,and an undivided Jerusalem doesn't...
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Delegate's reversal stuns party
Wisconsin Democrat now publicly supports McCain
By CRAIG GILBERT
cgilbert@journalsentinel.com
Posted: June 14, 2008
Washington - As an avid supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primaries, Debra Bartoshevich is not alone in her frustration over Clinton's defeat.

She's not alone in refusing to support Barack Obama.

And she's not entirely alone in saying she'll vote this fall for Republican John McCain instead.

But what makes her unusual is that she holds these views as an elected delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Denver this summer.

"I'm sure people are going to be upset with me," said Bartoshevich, a 41-year-old emergency room nurse from Waterford in Racine County, and convention delegate pledged to Clinton.

Joe Wineke, chairman of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, reacted with disbelief when first told Friday afternoon that one of his state party delegates is now a McCain supporter.

"Not a delegate? To the national convention?" said Wineke, who was getting ready for the start of the Wisconsin state party convention Friday in Stevens Point.

"We have a Clinton national (convention) delegate who says she's voting for John McCain?" Wineke repeated, for clarification. "I've never heard of such a thing."

Posted by: Scott | June 15, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

This is 3 notable McCain staff goofs in a week.
1. The speech from Kenner with the green backdrop, the 200 0ctagenarian attendees and the delivery of a sock puppet zombie.
2. The statement on the Guantanamo case where he confused Habeas Corpus- involving the release of prisoners- with 1983 suits - dealing with prisoners in state prisons suing about conditions like food. He believes the case included the latter - which is laughably silly.
3. Now this failure to screen piled on top of the half dozen prior failures to screen involving his staff, endorsing ministers and emcees of his appearances.
72 and still not ready for prime time.

Posted by: Pragmatist | June 15, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse


saaaaay john...

what's the going rate these days to rape cindy?

do you always pocket all the $$$? or are you going to give cindy a cut of that $300,000.... cuz me, and your bud williams , and apparently you, are of the opinion, that "she's probably going to just lie back and enjoy it" anyway.

why should she get any of our hard earned money, right johnny boy?

i mean.. everything has it's price.. but to just lie back and enjoy it john?? that's NOT the american way.

9/11 john! 9/11!

GET MAD JOHN!

GRRRRRRR!!!!!

Posted by: GWB | June 15, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Men worshiping a magic invisible man and then fighting over whose is the best imaginary invisible man. Religion is to ridiculous to even discuss.


)))))))))))))))

PS

Religion sucks! Tired of all the hypocrisy and wars started by it. And especially tired of man trying to idolize, picture and define God. Personally, when I go, I will see God on his terms and not some ideal created by half-wits. That is the mark of true faith: God without preconceptions.

Posted by: woody | June 14, 2008 11:30 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

PS

Religion sucks! Tired of all the hypocrisy and wars started by it. And especially tired of man trying to idolize, picture and define God. Personally, when I go, I will see God on his terms and not some ideal created by half-wits. That is the mark of true faith: God without preconceptions.

Posted by: woody | June 14, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

This is in regards to Jodie Evans' remark "We were attacked because we were in Saudi Arabia." Just curious, but how would America react if say Saudi Arabia, Iran or Syria or any number of Muslim nations, slapped a military base smack dap in the middle of the American bible belt? Yea, I didn't think so! It truly is a testament to hypocrisy watching Americans feign indignation that American foreign policy had anything to do with 9/11. America talks a pretty good game - until the shoe is on the other foot.

Posted by: woody | June 14, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

That is correct, she had real problems. That is not the worst problem though. The worst problem was her family had to do an intervention to get her help when they found out. Her husband John Mccain didn't give a sh*t about her. The poor woman is going down the drain and he is off cheating on her. He is a piece of sh*t, lets be honest.

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Deborah - learn the full story before slinging crap. As Paul Harvey likes to say, and now for the rest of the story. Cindy McCain suffered from debilitating back pain that was ultimately resolved by a hysterectomy and several back operations. The use of Percocet was for self-medication, not thrills.

I thought Dems believed in redemption.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | June 14, 2008 10:30 PM

Posted by: xxxxxxxxx | June 14, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is such a special candidate, certainly the choice of many thinking women of the United States.


Yeah, right.


If you are a former Clinton supporter casting a vote in spite for John McCain, I say fine, go, good riddance. This man has no respect for women at all, but yet he is your candidate of choice? Stupid. Really.

I know as an Obama supporter I am supposed to welcome you to the winning side, but you know what? All the venom and hatred I have read in various posts this weekend have changed my mind. I say go. Who cares?

Posted by: Susan | June 14, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Deborah - learn the full story before slinging crap. As Paul Harvey likes to say, and now for the rest of the story. Cindy McCain suffered from debilitating back pain that was ultimately resolved by a hysterectomy and several back operations. The use of Percocet was for self-medication, not thrills.

I thought Dems believed in redemption.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | June 14, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain should take that 300k and donate it towards fighting for Equal Pay, getting it right next time around!

Posted by: Obama2008 | June 14, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to common sense and what he actually says, perhaps John McCain learned nothing from his torture in Vietnam where he was essentially deemed an unlawful enemy combatant by that country. Maybe that is is why he supports the abolition of human rights via the Orwellian 'Patriot Act' and seemingly champions the harsh 'interrorgation techniques' of Guantanamo that our cross loving, flag waving administration has likely prescribed for him to execute. Perhaps that is also why George W. Bush, who dumped on him heavily in 2000 like a 'faithful' party elephant, is his right hand man now. Accepting $300,000 from a scumbag does not make you are a scumbag however. It is what you do with the money that matters. I am optimistic that John McCain will make for a better leader if he is elected but that is not setting the bar very high in my humble opinion. I am gravely disappointed in Maverick John for not running away from the worst President in history. Apparently, he has no shame.

"Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love, with women all across the country."

- George W. (W is for Women) Bush

Some American women are probably relieved that love doctors are being put out of business. In fact, I would imagine all are. I know George Bush never means anything he says. He is Harvard educated but he is just following orders from Cheney et al and can't communicate properly. Poor George. Don't pick on him. He is a compassionate, born again Christian. Forget the US Constitution my fellow citizens; his law is divine.

Posted by: Brian Randall | June 14, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I see nothing wrong on calling a man out on his principles, when someone has done something that was factually unconscionable or wrong. That is not gutter politics.

Gutter politics is making s&$* up about people -- like spreading lies about Michelle Obama, telling uninformed voters that Obama is Muslim, or making his race an issue.

Posted by: rtrotran | June 14, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

He won't return it because he can't afford to. According to Congressional Quarterly only about 8% of the donors who maxed their contributions to Bush in 2004 have donated to McCain at all. He's a terribly weak candidate.

Posted by: Chris Fox | June 14, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

lots of misogyny out there, folks. shame on you. mccain should take that 300k and donate it to a crisis center. that would be the right thing to do and garner him favor publicity, of which he has very little. one can always justify one's behavior, especially if one wants the money enough. a smelly episode.

Posted by: frieda406 | June 14, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

While some of the talking heads,CNN, Fox and McCain supporters have decided to slime Michelle Obama, let me remind them that Cindy McCain stole drugs from her own Non-Profit Organization and was a drug addict and still might be for all we know.

It's also has been said that she had been caught shoplifting. This type of behavior is not appropriate for a First Lady.

Yes, she did have a stroke but it seems to me that she was unstable before the stroke.

The lies about Michelle Obama are outrageous and not true. She will make a great First Lady. The Obama's have a loving marriage you can see it when they are together.

When you see McCain and his wife together you don't see that. There is something strange about that marriage.


Posted by: Deborah Evans | June 14, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

So we're commenting on whether McCain should return money donated to him by a bubba who has foot and mouth disease almost as bad as McCain has it himself. If McCain returns the money he appears weak to the chickenhawks he needs to vote for him. If he keeps the money the liberals who already dislike him will dislike him even more. Sounds like he should keep the money since giving it back or donating it to charity only alienates a substantial part of his base. Politics makes strange bedfellows indeed.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Aussie2020,

Try keeping down to a paragraph or two!
What a WINDBAG!!!

Posted by: harried | June 14, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Fortunately, Aussies can't vote.

Posted by: tom | June 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

And Aussie2020,
This is a person who has thrown his lot in with the thieves and thugs who trashed his kid in 2000. Not something an honorable man does. As far as I'm concerned his Keating 5 and Lobbyist involvement is small patatoes compared to these things!

Posted by: harried | June 14, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

And Aussie2020,
This is a person who has thrown his lot in with the thieves and thugs who trashed his kid in 2000. Not something an honorable man does. As far as I'm concerned his Keating 5 and Lobbyist involvement is small patatoes compared to these things!

Posted by: harried | June 14, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

At least Sen Obama doesn't laugh and thereby subtly agree to referring to Sen Clinton as the B*ITCH! Just take a look at UTUBE under "How Do We Beat the B*ITCH?" to see Sen McCain laughingly take part in this horrific reference to Sen Clinton without any push back to the questioner and in fact immediately offering to clarify the statement by substituting the B*ITCH reference with the name of Sen Clinton.

Come on women! Get a grip. If you are comfortable with this type of language and think this man is more representative of what you stand for then I feel sorry for you.

Posted by: Vgirl1 | June 14, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Aussie2020,
McCain bombed women and children from 20,000 feet. And one must wonder why the Vietcong did not to kill him. Think they found him useful?

Posted by: harried | June 14, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

In response to:

McCain and Clayton Williams both consider women as just another heifer in the herd

Posted by: Westexacan | June 14, 2008 7:32 PM

Well it is MUCH BETTER than Obama, Howard Dean, Carl Levin, John Edward and the DNC Insiders TREATED one of their OWN WOMAN, Hillary R. Clinton. Obama sanctions STEALING VOTES AND DELEGATES EARNED by a woman, Hillary R. Clinton, in Michigan. They have set a precedent that MEN can still STEAL from women and expect them, women like Hillary, to take a back seat to men like Obama, even though Hillary is infinitely more qualified than Obama. Here in Australia and Asia we cannot believe the treatment of Hillary by her own party. And she takes that crap from Obama, Howard Dean, Carl Levin, John Edwards and the DNC Insiders. She has set back women rights and self respect by all American women to PRE Susan B. Anthony days!! YES, pre Susan B. Anthony days. Susan B. Anthony would NEVER have accepted that the women's votes in MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA were not counted as equal to those in Iowa, New Hampshire. Susan B. Anthonly WOULD NEVER HAVE ACCEPTED that some of Hillary's votes and delegates were allocated/given to a man (Oabama). So those who would judge and criticize McCain, just look at the treatment of American Women (Hillary as an example) by Obama, Carl Levin, Howard Dean, John Edwards, the DNC Insiders and the Super Delegates. Their behaviour is very sexist and anti-women. They have shown almost no respect for Hillary and all American women. And by Hillary condoning their bahaviour she has shown many of us, that she thinks the DNC is more important than the will of the almost 18,000,000 Americans who supported her, who supported American Women, and how CHOSE the much better qualified candidate. So by Hillary stepping aside, taking a back seat when SHE SHOULD HAVE NOT, she has shown the WHOLE WORLD she is not in the same class of women leaders as Susan B. Anthony, Rose Parks, Margaret Thatcher, Tara Halonen and Angela Merkel, who would not have taken back seat and stepped aside for a much less qualified candidate, who stole votes and delegates who supported her. Hillary has abandoned her supporters, all American women and also Susan B. Anthony and Rose Parks. Hence I must with an honest heart, conscience and soul support Senator McCain, who has more respect and honor for Hillary and ALL American women than Obama, Howard Dean, Carl Levin, John Edwards, the Super Delegates and DNC Insiders, who have ONCE again thrown women's and girls' rights, respect and dignity under the train, like they did Susan B. Anthony and the right to vote for women, just like Fredrick Douglas did.

So support and vote for Senator McCain, the defender of women's rights, our country and the right to have you votes counted and not given (robbed from you) and given to another candieate, as was done in Michigan by Obama, Carl Levin, Howard Dean, John Edwards and the DNC Insiders. They have done something that HAS never been done in any modern (after WWII) democracy in the West. Not even in the former Eastern block countries have women been treated so badly as Hillary (and hence all American women) has been by Obama, Carl Levin, Howard Dean, John Edwards and the DNC Insiders. Shame on them. The American PEOPLE must stand up to such bad behaviour. The best way to do so, is to vote for the Defender of Women's rights and people's vote, Senator McCain.

McCain for President.

Posted by: Aussie2020 | June 14, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Karen Finney's comments denigrate all women. Her bias against McCain and judging him shows all men that many women like Finney lie and have hidden agendas and hence people should be very careful in taking anything they say seriously. Obama has no war and military experience and yet he, John Edwards, Howard Dean, DNC Insiders, the Super Delegates and even Hillary think he, Obama, is qualified to be Commander in Chief of the USA Military during time of war (our current war on terrorism). This not only shows Most Americans, but the Whole World, that the Democrats do not really have very good judgment, and I must agree. During a war, a country needs a leader, and Commander in Chief who knows something about war, military and not a man like President Bush, who joined the Texas National Guard to avoid going to Vietnan, or Bill Clinton who went to Oxford to avoid serving in Vietnam. It would be interesting to hear Obama's excuses.

Well all know the Senator McCain has served his country in Vietnam and also was a prison of war. When Karen Finney and Obama have served their country in the military, has lost their fellow troops and also served as a prisoner of war, I would take them seriously. But until they do, I think they should look in the mirror before judging decorated war veteran Senator McCain. I for one do not think either Karen Finney or Obama have earned the respect of the American people. It is easy to judge other and make outrageous claims about what you and/or your party will and/or can do. But action speaks louder than words. Just like Kerry exposing himself as a bloody idiot (comparing himself to JKF in the debates), I think both Obama and Karen Finney are now doing the same. I for one could have voted for Hillary, but now that the DNC Insiders, Carl Levin, John Edwards, Howard Dean and Obama have screwed Hillary and the voters in Michigan and Florida like Fredrick Douglas screwed Susan B. Anthony and all American women, in another closed door old boys network deal, which denied black, white, Asian, Native American Indian women the right to vote when black men were granted the right to vote. It is time to elect a President who does not make women take a back seat to men, be they white or black. Obama is just like Fredrick Douglas who disenfranchised all women and claimed the right to vote for black men, but NOT black women!! Obama has done the same and played the race card against all American women and especially Hillary, as Fredrick Douglas did to Susan B. Anthony.
So vote for McCain. He does not treat his wife OR any American Women like Obama has treated Hillary. Shame on Obama, Howard Dean, Carl Levin, John Edwards and the DNC Insiders. They are treating American women, and especially Hillary R. Clinton just like Fredrick Douglas and the Old Boy Network, did women during his (their) time. Some men never learn. Democrats treat their women like second class citizens, while Republicans, Germans, Finns, Swedes, Brits, Danes and Norwegians treat them as equals. There is in my opinion, no question who is the best qualified candidate to be the Commander in Chief of the USA military and the President of the USA. Senator McCain. If you compare their two CVs/resumes, one would wonder how Obama even was considered as a candidate. I think we all know why. What most of us cannot understand how Hillary Clinton was treated by her own party. If she was smart she would have ran as an independent. As it is, now her former supporters, and I was one of them, must now vote our conscience and vote for McCain, who has more respect for Hillary R. Clinton and all American women than Obama, Carl Levin, Howard Dean, John Edwards, the DNC Insiders, the Super Delegates and even Karen Finney. It is funny how some women like Karen Finney support people like Howard Dean, Carl Levin, John Edwards and Obama, who are so anti American women. Anyone who supports someone who would ROB votes and delegates from Hillary and give them to Obama, is not someone I could ever vote for. So Democrats with a brain and who respect women only have one candidate they could possibly support, give money for and vote for. And that candidate/person is Senator McCain.

So people, all you who support treating women as equals in the USA, vote for the candidate who has done so with his actions, and not the candidate who stole votes and delegates from Senator Hillary Clinton to get ahead. To get ahead at the expense of women is not an option for me or for Senator Mc Cain. So please support equal rights and respect for American women by voting for Senator McCain, a decorated American War Veteran and the most qualifed to lead our troops out of both Iraq and Afghanistan, but also to ensure that Iraq and Afghanistan become the next Germany and Japan. Not the next Vietnam and North Korea, which with high probability will occur if an man with NO miliatary and war experience was elected like Obama.

McCain for the Presidency of the USA. The American People's choice.

Posted by: Aussie2020 | June 14, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Timothy | June 14, 2008 6:44 PM
Every time this campaign enters the gutter, it's a win for McCain. Why? It erodes Obama's message that he's a "different" breed of politician, above the usual fray, and will bring about change in Washington. These kinds of silly spats help McCain, and Obama's falling for it.


Wow Timothy. That's some twisted convoluting you've got going on there. McCain's got some sleazy contributors but that brings Obama's campaign down??????

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Recently, when El Presidente y Generalissmo admitted he didn't know today's price of gasoline, a good investigative reporter should have responded, "Well Sir, respectfully, don't you think that, for the good of the Nation and the entire World you should seriously consider stepping down as the leader of the Free World immediately because you are obviously totally "non compos mentis"? This is something that even the slowest of American preschoolers are in the know.

Posted by: Kansas | June 14, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Give him a break, he was just kidding!
Give him a break, he is just a Republican.

Posted by: We understand. | June 14, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"For fresh outrage, try Obama actively campaigning with Donnie McClurkin in the fall of 2007."

If you're trying to gin up some fresh outrage, try getting your facts straight (that's an awful lot of ask of a Republican, I know, but at least try, ok?)

Obama NEVER actively campaigned with Donnie McClurkin in the fall of 2007. Obama's campaign set up a short tour of gospel singers and choirs in South Caroline and McClurkin appeared in ONE of the shows. Obama wasn't even there. He was busy campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Posted by: sharon | June 14, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Clayton Williams both consider women as just another heifer in the herd

Posted by: Westexacan | June 14, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse


B2O2 wrote:

"America is a reality-free zone, it seems."

Oh, golly, you left out the good part of Ms Evans' interview. Maybe it was a little too much reality for you:

Jodie Evans:..."We were attacked because we were in Saudi Arabia, that was the message of Osama, was that because we had our bases in the Middle East, he attacked the United States."

Paul A. Ibbetson: "Do you think that's a valid argument?"

Evans: "Sure. Why do we have bases in the Middle East? We totally violated the rights of that country. Why do we get to have bases in the Middle East?"

Posted by: WylieD | June 14, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"We were attacked because we were in Saudi Arabia," Evans remarked.

Only in America can someone be criticized for saying something demonstrably and irrefutably true, simply because many chest thumpers here don't want to deal with reality.

America is a reality-free zone, it seems.

Posted by: B2O2 | June 14, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse


1990?

The shelf-life on this is long expired.

For fresh outrage, try Obama actively campaigning with Donnie McClurkin in the fall of 2007.

Posted by: WylieD | June 14, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Every time this campaign enters the gutter, it's a win for McCain. Why? It erodes Obama's message that he's a "different" breed of politician, above the usual fray, and will bring about change in Washington. These kinds of silly spats help McCain, and Obama's falling for it.

Posted by: Timothy | June 14, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Should Cindy McCain's Brain Damage Be A Campaign Issue?

I don't know whether Americans care if the First Lady is mentally disabled - that's a question for McCain's pollsters. What I want to know is why McCain would even subject his poor wife to the rigors of a presidential campaign and worldwide scrutiny in the first place. The question speaks directly to McCain's personal cruelty and unbridled ambition.

Although the true extent of the brain damage has not been publicly disclosed, Cindy McCain's 2004 stroke is not a secret.

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Why, Senator McCain, would you do this to your wife?

Posted by: Beth Martin | June 14, 2008 6:01 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++

Unlike ambivalent Liberals and progressives, Conservative Republicans --- or wannabe's --- do so much better if their lovely blond wives just stand beside them, blink, smile, and don't say a whole lot.... other than just smile up to their big, fearless, tall handsome husbands and, at most, utter:

Yeap, vote for my husband: He's gonna save mankinds by killing all evil doers, the known and the unknown.

He's gonna bring back the good glorious ole days, like when people knew right from wrong and each class, group, gender knew their proper roles and places in society.

Posted by: Her Lao | June 14, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

RoBoTech: I am just passing the information out there about this "c**t" comment. You need to take up your outrage with the author of the McCain book. At the time, it was alleged to not be reported because it didn't seem appropriate to place in newspapers. However, a lot of people have heard this story.

Besides, we aren't exactly polly pure on reporting rumors as facts, are we? (smile)

Posted by: 2008 | June 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

since "johnny mud-slinger" has proven that he has all the scrupples of those who came before him: i.e. swift boat ala carte from a bunch of gutless draft dodgers, we should question just how honest he would be with the people of not only the u.s. or the rest of the world. I SAY; NO VOTES FOR mc666!!!

Posted by: lonewolf | June 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

"Then, because I refuse to argue with idiots..."

Saint_the
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I guess you don't talk to yourself then. Rats! I owe another poster a dollar bet...

Posted by: 2008 | June 14, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

2008 says:
"Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity,"

Talk about passing on lies, what does "anonymity" mean to you?
I'll tell you what it means, NO PROOF!
What a hypocrite.
Complain about spreading unproven rumors, then does it himself.
Buffoonery reigns supreme in your household, fracking liar.

Posted by: RoBoTech | June 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Not unless it's contagious, which it may be judging from John Mccain.

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Should Cindy McCain's Brain Damage Be A Campaign Issue?


I don't know whether Americans care if the First Lady is mentally disabled - that's a question for McCain's pollsters. What I want to know is why McCain would even subject his poor wife to the rigors of a presidential campaign and worldwide scrutiny in the first place. The question speaks directly to McCain's personal cruelty and unbridled ambition.


Although the true extent of the brain damage has not been publicly disclosed, Cindy McCain's 2004 stroke is not a secret.


In a very flattering September 2007 interview in More, Paul Alexander wrote about the stroke damage:

"In conversation, she will occasionally have trouble remembering certain facts, especially from the recent past, and if you look closely you realize she cannot make her right hand into a complete fist, which has affected her handwriting, if not her ability to grasp a gearshift knob. "It's not bad," she says, describing the damage to her hand. "I can function. I have short-term memory loss. I can remember all the major details of my life, but I sometimes can't remember what happened last week."
I suspect that John McCain, viewed his wife's stroke more in terms of how it would affect his bid for the presidency than else.


From a January 2005 Larry King show:

"MCCAIN: I was the one at home that everyone came to to program their computers, fix their phones, do anything electrical, technical, anything on the computer. I can't get near it now. I'm overwhelmed by it.
And it's weird for me. And I might also say, I suffer from migraines also. And your last caller that called in -- and I just had an episode about a week and a half ago, where I didn't know, I thought I was having another stroke. It was a different kind of...
KING: Has the senator been very sympathetic?
MCCAIN: Yes. And I -- please don't -- let me explain that. He was very confused in the beginning. He didn't -- like everyone in the family, how could it happen to my wife? I'm 18 years older than she is. It doesn't happen to someone that's younger than you are. So on his behalf, I think he's trying to understand all this. It's a lot for him to take in."
In October 2007, Cindy McCain was hobbling around South Carolina as the result of a fall down in a Phoenix grocery store. Was her fall caused by her brain damage? Is the question any of our business?


Inevitably, the issue of the extent of Cindy McCain's brain damage will enter the public arena. So far, Mrs McCain has only had to field softballs lobbed at her by sympathetic journalists. Can the McCain campaign limit her public appearances to three-minute soundbites until November? I don' think so, not in today's political environment.


Why, Senator McCain, would you do this to your wife?

Posted by: Beth Martin | June 14, 2008 6:01 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Anon 5:39- :-(

THAT, was Pathetic. Really!

Then, because I refuse to argue with idiots(Makes it hard for observers to tell the difference), please realize, the UN has once again done a horrible job of controlling Iraq's oil.

IF, the US actually did/ was, it would not be in the Corrupt and incompetent mess it still is!

The United Nothings! Not Bushie and Cheney!

You might find this hard to believe, but there are actually things in, and about Iraq, MORE important, than their OIL!

Denying Iran a Port on the Mediterranean, being a very significant fact, not allowing Turkey to become Isolated another!

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 14, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Is offering a deeper explanation to 9-11 what passes for politically incorrect now? How about a plausible suggestion? Whether or not she's right, it's closer than "9/11 happened because some people hate America."

Posted by: Dave | June 14, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Should Cindy McCain's Brain Damage Be A Campaign Issue?

I don't know whether Americans care if the First Lady is mentally disabled - that's a question for McCain's pollsters. What I want to know is why McCain would even subject his poor wife to the rigors of a presidential campaign and worldwide scrutiny in the first place. The question speaks directly to McCain's personal cruelty and unbridled ambition.

Although the true extent of the brain damage has not been publicly disclosed, Cindy McCain's 2004 stroke is not a secret.

In a very flattering September 2007 interview in More, Paul Alexander wrote about the stroke damage:

"In conversation, she will occasionally have trouble remembering certain facts, especially from the recent past, and if you look closely you realize she cannot make her right hand into a complete fist, which has affected her handwriting, if not her ability to grasp a gearshift knob. "It's not bad," she says, describing the damage to her hand. "I can function. I have short-term memory loss. I can remember all the major details of my life, but I sometimes can't remember what happened last week."

I suspect that John McCain, viewed his wife's stroke more in terms of how it would affect his bid for the presidency than else.

From a January 2005 Larry King show:

"MCCAIN: I was the one at home that everyone came to to program their computers, fix their phones, do anything electrical, technical, anything on the computer. I can't get near it now. I'm overwhelmed by it.

And it's weird for me. And I might also say, I suffer from migraines also. And your last caller that called in -- and I just had an episode about a week and a half ago, where I didn't know, I thought I was having another stroke. It was a different kind of...

KING: Has the senator been very sympathetic?

MCCAIN: Yes. And I -- please don't -- let me explain that. He was very confused in the beginning. He didn't -- like everyone in the family, how could it happen to my wife? I'm 18 years older than she is. It doesn't happen to someone that's younger than you are. So on his behalf, I think he's trying to understand all this. It's a lot for him to take in."

In October 2007, Cindy McCain was hobbling around South Carolina as the result of a fall down in a Phoenix grocery store. Was her fall caused by her brain damage? Is the question any of our business?

Inevitably, the issue of the extent of Cindy McCain's brain damage will enter the public arena. So far, Mrs McCain has only had to field softballs lobbed at her by sympathetic journalists. Can the McCain campaign limit her public appearances to three-minute soundbites until November? I don' think so, not in today's political environment.

Why, Senator McCain, would you do this to your wife?

Posted by: Beth Martin | June 14, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really believe that things have not changed. Does anyone believe that that the same kind of swift-boating will not be seen as what it is? Does anyone not believe that now is the time for change.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Raffer-Janders-Do you have trouble with this language? I already mentioned that Obam-Oops, Osama's argument was baseless. We were there with bases before the first Gulf War-Long Before!

Yeah, ARAMCO-The Arabian American Oil Company!

Our Tracking Stations in Sa'udi are Invaluable, and an Arabian Prince has shared our Space Program!

The US and the House of Sa'ud are Close!

Then, when was this Surf-Rat NOT a Conservative?

Then, when was McAmnesty ever one?

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 14, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Unless you fools KNOW Al Franken personally, don't assume to know what is in his mind! Your arrogance is showing.

As for Obama, he has it all over McInsane on the issues that matter to most Americans. Since McInsane did NOT want to be seen at the fundraiser, he should NEVER HAVE ACCEPTED THE MONEY RAISED! He is showing utter ignorance by accepting money he obviously feels is tainted by a person who made comments demeaning women! If the person was NOT good enough to be seen with, why is the money good enough to take. But then again, McInsane is a greedy, sneaky person who is only interested in one thing - himself! Anyone who votes for this senile old fool is a fool himeself!

Posted by: Disparaged | June 14, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl, you really work hard for McCain - even he saw the wisdom of pulling out of the fundraiser. He is trying to appeal to women voters. Unlike you, they may have an issue with his associations.

Yeah, it is real shame that Obama will be able to tap his financial support from his supporters. LOL!!

Oh, btw what will McCain do about that loan that he got with promising collateral from campaign financing? A bit troubling...

Posted by: 2008 | June 14, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Why should he give the money back? Is this any worse than Obama going back on his federal election funding pledge? He signed a written pledge to take the funding if the Republican candidate did. But now that he's raising more money, he's breaking it.

How dishonorable. Is that better than having a fundraiser who made ugly jokes 20 years ago?

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 14, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Saint -- glad you crawled out of the Rat hole in your real guise as a McCain Republican! Yeah, Johnnie boy is sure a worthy option for the disappointed supporters of Sen. Clinton, isn't he? Lol ... the true colors are beginning to show.

Posted by: straight talk my a** | June 14, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Saint, What? Our military has not be in the Kingdom for Decades, We have had contract American workers building houses in the late 70ies and 80ies, not to mention all the workers in the oil industry, You need to do more research, Muslims look at Mecca and Medina as holy and some people take it to next level, The Troops that were station in The Kingdom is what inflamed anti West sediment, It is better to be quite and let people think you are Fox News sound bite then open your mouth and prove it. You are just a SHEEPLE

Posted by: RaferJanders | June 14, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Saint-duh. Let me see if I can do this in your manner of posting:

GAWD! What a dupester you are!! Did ya find that socialist crapo on some right wing site?? HAHAHAHAHAA - Do YA know what socialism means? NOOOOOOOOOOOO? Neo-cons got ya running the tizzy with the socialism dizzy on YA!! They are in Iraq just for the OIL! Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc - McCain is running for another 4 years of the SAME!! He's an empty suit, drinking the Bush kool-aid, setting up a fascist war state!!

Cripes! I pity the sheep that fall OVAH McSame!!!

(eye roll)

Posted by: 2008_The | June 14, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I really cannot believe this is an issue particularly since it took place eighteen years ago. Clayton Williams made the "relax and enjoy remark" to describe some foul weather that was occuring during a campout he was having. He was quoting writer Dorothy Parker. If this is the best the Democrats can do then we are really going to be in for a lowbrow campaign.

Ironically if Williams had defeated Ann Richards he probably would have served two or more terms and George W. Bush would not have been elected governor, at least, not for awhile and he would not have been elected president in 2000.

Richards proved to an unexpectedly easy candidate for Bush to defeat in 1994.

Posted by: danielhancock | June 14, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

And Jason, my uneducated friend:

Williams has raised $300,000 already for the McCain campaign. The fundraiser was separate matter:

"The campaign said it would not return money Williams had raised for McCain because the contributions came from other individuals supporting McCain and not from Williams. Williams told his hometown newspaper, the Midland Reporter-Telegram, that he had raised more than $300,000 for McCain."

Why must I do your work for you? Why no intellectual curiousity?

Posted by: 2008 | June 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Anon 5:09

Did YOU go to the Site Truthhurts linked showing the Flag?

Yeah Pal-or make that P.A.L., George Soros and the World Labor Party, are SOCIALISTS!

Cripes, I have to laugh at the delusional fools supporting a Stooge of Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry, Tom Daschle, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Howling Dean and George Soros, while somehow NOT realizing THEY are the Ticket!

Not the Empty Suit!

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 14, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

McSame thought he could "hide" from the press and not return this ill gotten $300,000 from Williams! What a FOOL! To think this DECEITFUL OPPORTUNIST who would do anything for a buck, did NOT have the decency to not keep the money, but give it to a "woman's rape center" or a women's charity if he had to keep it! But since he "LACKS ANY CHARACTER", I guess I just expected too much! And "ANY FEMALE" who 'deliberately votes for McSame' will only get "more of this same treatment" from him if he manages to become our POTUS. Everything McSame does and says is an effort to take him to the next rung of the ladder of success, but this move to "keep the money" baffles me as I can't see how he thinks this HELPS him in any manner with the American public! He is an OLDER "xeroxed copy" of Bush!

Posted by: Disparaged | June 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Aah, just another reason for all those Clintonites to support Mr. McCain.

Charming.

Posted by: Susan | June 14, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

This is a bona fide controversy. How will the bedraggled McCain camp handle it? Not so well so far...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | June 14, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

to the anonymous poster who wrote...

"Debra Bartoshevich, a Clinton delegate in Wisconsin who told a local newspaper that she planned to vote for John McCain in November...

"NOW it appears that this devoted Democrat will be kicked out of the convention for expressing her right to a private vote in the general election."
------------------------------

Of course the Wisconsin state Dem party is replacing Bartoshevich. She's announced publicly that she's voting for McCain. Why would she want to go to the Democratic Convention? Maybe she could apply for Zel Miller's spot at the Republican Convention.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

And the furor in 1990 surrounding Williams, to get some perspective:

Texas Candidate's Comment About Rape Causes a Furor

Published: March 26, 1990
LEAD: The Republican gubernatorial nominee apologized today for an off-the-cuff remark suggesting that some victims of rape should ''relax and enjoy it.''

The Republican gubernatorial nominee apologized today for an off-the-cuff remark suggesting that some victims of rape should ''relax and enjoy it.''

The candidate, Clayton Williams, had initially played down the remark as being a joke.

Women's groups and political opponents of Mr. Williams strongly criticized the candidate for the comment.

It ''questions his ability to understand the kinds of problems faced by the people of Texas,'' said Ann Richards, the State Treasurer and a runoff candidate for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination. ''Rape is a crime of violence.''

Mr. Williams made the remark on Saturday while preparing for a cattle roundup at his West Texas ranch. He compared the cold, foggy weather spoiling the event to a rape, telling ranch hands, campaign workers and reporters around a campfire, ''If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it.''

Mr. Williams Apologizes

Later on Saturday, Mr. Williams said it was merely a joke and apologized ''if anyone's offended.''

''That's not a Republican women's club that we were having this morning,'' he said. ''It's a working cow camp, a tough world where you can get kicked in the testicles if you're not careful.''

Asked if some people might be offended, Mr. Williams said: ''I'm not going to give you a serious answer. It wasn't a serious deal. It wasn't a serious statement.''

But today his campaign issued a statement in which Mr. Williams said: ''I feel just terrible about this. I had no intention in my heart to hurt anyone, especially those women who have been traumatized by rape.

''Looking back, I realize it was insensitive and had no place at the campfire or in any setting.''

Marilyn Rickman, head of the Texas Women's Political Caucus, which has endorsed Ms. Richards, said the remark was inexcusable. ''Rape is never a joke'' with women under any circumstance, she said.

Mr. Williams's wife, Modesta, and other Republicans defended him.

''If the word rape was in a joke, if sex was in a joke, it was just a joke,'' Mrs. Williams said. ''He's about as much of a gentleman, a caring person, as there is.''

Posted by: 2008 | June 14, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you ask McCain why he voted no and held back the committee that wanted to search for P.O.W's from Nam. If McCain is such a straight talker why are all those files locked away and kept from the public. Rev. Wright was right. Our government is the most corrupt in the world. The media has everyone trained like sheep. And with our government running things the way they are, The chickens will come home to roost. How long do you think we can get away with pissing on every country that has something we want. Right now Bush wants to lock in that deal with Iraq so he can get his hands on that oil. Bush & McCain don't care how many people have to die as long as they keep making money. There is something really wrong with those people, that have the flag in one hand and a gun in the other.

Posted by: Mike M | June 14, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how close McCain's views on women are to Clay Williams's.

Posted by: Lone Star | June 14, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The only way for the top 3% to win the Numero Uno Officio is to STEAL it with the help of their voting machines and the rightie Supreme Court. Have you noticed the similiarity of the politics in the Banana Republics with what is happening here? Mexico is a dandy example.

Posted by: Kansas | June 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Felt the need to put Al Franken situation out there with article:

"Minnesota Republicans on Thursday stepped up a campaign to portray Al Franken as disrespectful toward women, circulating 13-year-old quotes from the Democratic Senate candidate joking about rape while writing a skit for "Saturday Night Live."

While Franken has tried to draw a sharp line between his comedic endeavors and his bid to become a U.S. senator, he's taking heat from across the political spectrum over old material. Several Democratic members of Congress criticized Franken over a racy fantasy article he wrote eight years ago for Playboy magazine.

Franken's campaign, just days away from the state Democratic endorsing convention, has defended the Playboy piece as satire. Franken said the article containing the rape comments "doesn't sound like me."

In the 1995 New York magazine profile of "Saturday Night Live," Franken is described among a group of show writers sounding out a possible parody of Andy Rooney centered on a sedative pill bottle found in the "60 Minutes" essayist's desk. Franken and fellow writers Norm MacDonald and Jim Downey kick around fictional Rooney responses to the discovery of the bottle.

The article quotes Franken putting an edgy twist on the discussion: "And 'I give the pills to Lesley Stahl. Then when Lesley's passed out, I take her to the closet and rape her.' Or 'That's why you never see Lesley until February.' Or, 'When she passes out I put her in various positions and take pictures of her."

MacDonald takes it a step further, suggesting that the Rooney rape comment be directed at other "60 Minutes" icons Mike Wallace and Ed Bradley. Franken chimes in: "What about 'I drag Mike into my office and rape him. Right here! I guess that makes me bad.'"

The skit never saw air after the final product got weak laughs in dress rehearsal, the magazine article said.

Nonetheless, Republican state Rep. Laura Brod said the quotes combined with the Playboy piece shows "a pattern of behavior which is not suitable for a U .S. senator."

"Rape, a joke. Just think about it. Rape is not a punchline and it certainly is not funny," Brod said, adding, "To thousands of women in this nation who are raped and sexually assaulted, the prospect that a man making a living joking about these things would be a U.S. senator is absolutely horrifying."

It could come into play this weekend when Democrats decide who to endorse as a challenger to Republican Sen. Norm Coleman. Franken is considered the front-runner in a Democratic race that also features college professor Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer and frequent candidates Darryl Stanton and Dick Franson.

Republican Party spokesman Mark Drake acknowledged that the article has been in party hands for some time, but was held back until now. He wouldn't say what other material the party has in the pipeline.

Franken said he wanted to read the New York magazine article before commenting further. In a letter to the magazine published a month later, Franken criticizes the writer for a portrayal of female show staffers that Franken found demeaning; he makes no mention of the quotes attributed to him.

Franken's campaign spokeswoman, Jess McIntosh, responded to distribution of the article by going after Coleman.

"Norm Coleman voted against funding for the Violence Against Women Act," she said. "He ought to be ashamed."

In response to concerns raised by women over the Playboy article, the Franken campaign distributed a statement in his defense from Shannon Drury, president of Minnesota's chapter of the National Organization of Women.

"Now its content is being used as an excuse to label him a misogynist. Nothing could be further from the truth," Drury wrote Tuesday. "In fact, Al Franken will be a senator who will work tirelessly in support of women's issues. After meeting with Al personally, I find his honesty and openness refreshing, his intelligence and perseverance inspiring."

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press.

Posted by: 2008 | June 14, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

But, really, the Fact O'Bombanation is a World Labor Party Socialist Rep., is a surprise to WHO?

Posted by: SAINT---The
*************************
I'd be surprised that you would know what the hell you are talking about. How about lifting that butt up and give your brain some oxygen? Socialism - god you trolls are way too easy to laugh at these days.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Jason, besides the illiterate 19 year old way you write, your tortured logic needs some clarification. In other words, wtf are you talking about? What jokes? When? If he is running as a democrat, then duh, about the DNC supporting him.

We are not talking about the same thing here. The host of a McCain fundraiser made these documented comments. For some of us on this board who were not annoying their mom in the womb, we remember the rape comments. McCain is trying to win over female support and this doesn't help it. That is probably why he cancelled the fundraiser. He is parsing in order to keep the money.

Tell you what, why don't you get a job, and send some money as support, m'kay?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Corruption loves Status Quo.

Posted by: Kansas | June 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

truthhurts...here's an idea, how about let's read the whole book, "Dreams From My Father"....or would that be too much of a challenge for your tiny brain?
Fortunately, the majority of people are studying the real issues in order not to make another mistake like GW Bush. But, UNfortunately, there is still a lazy, ugly-minded fringe element wasting time trolling for garbage on the internet and then trying to pass it off as the "truth." WAKE UP PEOPLE! There are genuine differences between Barack Obama and John McCain on the important issues that effect our lives and our nation. Make this vote a smart decision!

Posted by: Joyce | June 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Al Franken is a turd that deserves to be flushed down the toilet. He besmirches the name of all good politicians, Dems and Reps. Wiseass fool!

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | June 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Truthhurts-LOL! :-D

They say, a picture is worth a Thousand Words!

What's a video going for these days? ;~)

But, really, the Fact O'Bombanation is a World Labor Party Socialist Rep., is a surprise to WHO?

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 14, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The only anti-American coward scum I see is you.

You and your Nazi socialist neocons would love for nothing less than the constitution ripped up and burned and replaced with your discussing rhetoric and propaganda.

Go back to the Fox website where you can feed off more of your anti-American anti-constitutional probaganda.

Posted by: richard | June 14, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Democrat Presidential candidate Barack Obama already has an issue with wearing American Flag lapel pins, and even with putting his hand over his heart when the American National Anthem is playing. It will be interesting to see how he'll react (if at all) to the flag hanging in one of his new campaign offices in Houston, Texas.

Yep, that's right -- that is the national flag of Cuba hanging on the wall with none other than Che Guevara superimposed on it.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/d-s-hube/2008/02/11/another-flag-issue-obama

Posted by: Truthhurts | June 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

No one should be speaking of the late Mr. Russert!
He was a great journalist & a great person.
It is in no way right to be using his name in this election.
Let his family mourn! This is such a blow to the political process & he was a huge part of it but he is now gone so we all must move forward.
Obama & McCain supporters have a deep well of differences but you people should freaking know better!

Posted by: AV | June 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Debra Bartoshevich, a Clinton delegate in Wisconsin who told a local newspaper that she planned to vote for John McCain in November...

"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her - that's by Susan B. Anthony," said Bartoshevich, referring to the famous suffragist.

Bartoshevich called herself a "devoted Democrat" who, she said, had never voted for a Republican for president.

NOW it appears that this devoted Democrat will be kicked out of the convention for expressing her right to a private vote in the general election:

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Scott and Obama suporter did say it.

Al Franken made jokes about rape.

And guess what the DNC and Obama are supporting his candidacy.

Obama is suporting the candidacy of rape joker al franken.

There is a double standard and hypocricy with Obama supporters like Scott.

The obama supporters love to lie.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

let's listen to this excellent compilation of Obama's audio-version of his books, read by Obama himself, so it is easier for you to make an appropriate determination about this matter:

http://savagepolitics.com/

Posted by: Truthhurts | June 14, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Al Franken made rape jokes. Dems are running him for senate.

Obama is helping Al Franken the rape joker in his campaign.

They have raised money for eachother.

What hypocricy.

Earth washington post Al franken's rape jokes were just in the news.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad to see some remember that sleazemister Joe McCarthy. His lies and smears are alive and well in fasist organizations like John Birch and stoptheaclu. ack! grow a brain.

TJ

Posted by: Jefferson2008 | June 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

first, we were attacked because we were/are in the middle east. Even Bin Laden himself said he is at war with America because we support Saudi Arabia and have bases there.

Second, if Mccain can collect money from people like this Clayton, then any woman voting for him should just give in and "enjoy" what will come to you via the supreme court in the near future.

A vote for Mccain is a vote for being raped cattle!

Posted by: richard | June 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I am a white male, over age 50. I am voting for Obama because I am tired of the sleeziod Republishams that have taken over the GOP. McBush is more of the same. A man that dumped his handicapped wife for a wealthy woman 18 years his junior. McSleazy!

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | June 14, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Williams' remarks that women should give in while being raped. "As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it,"

That is really sexist. If an Obama supporter said that everyone would be demanding he give back the funds and all the feminists would be yelling about sexism. But when a McCain supporter says it no one says anything because McCain is given preferential treatment by the media and womens groups.

Posted by: Scott | June 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

So, it's okay to make fun of someone's issues with drinking to get into office. Just because Ann Richards made an ad with Clayton's on views makes her a typical woman?

I think she's just playing the game the boys play and beat him at it.

But then again...who am I?

Posted by: Texan | June 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The Taxas oilman is McCain and practically all republicans kind of guy, especially Cheney. So why the surprise? McCain will not hoodwink this veteran.

Posted by: truth1 | June 14, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Are you upset because the American people spoke and a black man may run the country.

It this all because YOU hate American and YOU hate blacks?

Hmmm....I wonder.

Posted by: Texan | June 14, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I think the only threat to this country are people like Jason who think just because you know someone you have to have views and thoughts just like them.

I have known people for more than twenty years who have views that would make even the most stoic of personalities cringe, does that make me bad because their moral compass is in the crapper.

Obama lived down the street from Ayers, was in a house he was in for a fundraiser twenty years ago and served on the board of some local committiee way back when. Boy, sure sounds like best friends to me.

Go get a life. Read before you start to spout off about stuff you know nothing about.

People do miserable things and the can only control themselves. Guilt by assoiciation. It's McCarty all over again.

Posted by: Texan | June 14, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Mr. Clean. I was writing for Jason. Jason - tell the person who reads these messages for you to read my last one.

Posted by: Richard Bentley | June 14, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah EricMiami, I can see why there would be so many converts when you Obama supporters are happy Russert is dead. You people are the scum of the earth.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow. The Obama haters are out in force today. Come on, folks. Let's keep it focused on the issues. People who do one post after another, like Jason, should be blocked. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to dominate the thread with your uninformed hate-filled rants.

Posted by: Michael | June 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Clean:
Obama was not raised as a Muslim. Do you understand that sentence??
You are just another bigot on this board, and you are ignorant to boot. If you really believe what you say, then you should check your facts. But I don't think you will, because your mind is completely locked up. If you're going to question a politician, do it on the issues, not on some stupid lying remark. I don't agree with McCain on the issues, but I notice a lot of your types floating around him. People that not only don't have a clue, they don't want to.

Posted by: Richard Bentley | June 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Mister Clean typical Obama supporter. He hates Russert for one reason and one reason only. Because Russert is white. So Mister Clean is happy he is dead.

Just look at Obama's hateful church. Look how they rose up when Father Pfleger was mocking Clinton.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Nice going, Jason. We Obama supporters thank you for the converts you are making for us.

Posted by: ericmiami | June 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Anon-3:51

Actually what I liked BEST about "300", was the conniption Fit it caused AhmadineBad! :-)

It, was a classic example of the Media's ability to be propaganda!

THAT, is what I was implying about it possibly getting Worse!

The Muslims would have one Mass Conniption Fit, with a Movie about Mohammad!

Although, I would venture a bet, there has already been at least one already filmed-But decades ago!

Yeah, I think people really need to realize the Ammo we dump into some cultures against us, called OUR MOVIES, Songs, and Media. For many, it is all they know, and enough to justify stopping us!

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 14, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

How about McCain's controversial endorsement of Bush in 2004? John McCain made himself the biggest flip-flopper of all the candidates when he did that. Before he was against federal deficits and then for 4 years he was for them because Bush NEVER vetoed on the grounds of cutting spending and instead supported all the debt ceiling increases and pork barrel projects. Before McCain was against tax cuts for the rich, then when he needed more lobbyist friends of George W. Bush to donate to him, he flip-flopped to making permanent the tax cuts for the rich. At least Obama is for Pay-Go and for directly helping people who are suffering instead of pandering to the lobbyists and the oil magnates.

Posted by: Same old red herrings | June 14, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

pardon the typo: Muslim

Posted by: miked | June 14, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Jason's bag of lies combined with his agressive written abuse just shows us the sort of crazies the republicans have relied on for years. He is McCarthy, Nixon, Swift Boat, Rove, Cheney, and Bush.

Rave on Jason, as you wish. But we're not buying it anymore.

Posted by: SteveBurns1947 | June 14, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Clean, no need to insult Mr. Russert. He is surely in a better place than Jason the Koolaide drinker could ever hope to be.

Posted by: Phxflyer | June 14, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Which is it Jason? Obama goes to a Christian church but he's a Muslum? You are such a towering intellect or proof that jackasses can type. Guess

Posted by: miked | June 14, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

To joe your american hating candiate Obama didn't know them once.

Obama went to that american hating church for 20 years.

Obama is a disgrace.

Obama knew Rezko for 20 years. Got a crooked deal for his house from him.

Obama knew Wright for 20 years.

Obama knew ayres for 20 years.

Obama knew terrorist supporting hamid for 20 years.

Obama knew father pfleger for 20 years.

These are long close relationships.

Obama called father pfleger after he invited and praised farakkan his moral compass.

Obama loves people who hate whites, hate america, are anti semites or support terrorists.

Obama is a threat to this country.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

No Jason,

I am a supporter for this country and I would like the best for it. At this time, I do not believe that McCain is what this country needs after Bush. I believe we need a Democrat this time around for obvious reasons, but that is me.

I trust a Democrat with our troops, moreso than McCain. I trust Obama on the gas holiday (but I'd have still voted for Hillary), I trust Obama on the home foreclosure issue, wages, that he would at least aim to be more fair in terms of tax than McCain, etc. the list goes on. I sincerely believe that the Dems have the passion for this country, and I feel as though McCain is mainly in to work on behalf of the wealthy; at least that's how he comes across to me and I feel left out. I feel like that is his primary agenda, but yet goes traveling and playing "face" to the crowds to help himself get elected. I say that for reasons which I have no patience to list.

Watch this and see if you agree:
There's too many issues, and McCain does not come across as the candidate who is sincerely BENT to help on our behalf as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1EXKLVgEx0

By the way, are you SVreader?

Posted by: Obama2008 | June 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a sleaze

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, Jason, do you just not have a life? Grow up man, and leave the house every once in a while.

Posted by: Mr H | June 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Jason - F you buddy, hope you get a chance to visit Russert soon.

Posted by: Mister Clean | June 14, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama was raised muslim. Obama's half brother Malik admitted to the jerusalem post that Obama was raised muslim. No wonder his middle name was Hussein.

Obama is lying. His own half brother now is on record contradicting Obama's lies.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

All these Right Wingers scream and cry about every little word or reference Obama has said or somebody Obama knew said or somebody Obama once knew or somebody they knew somebody that once knew Obama 35 years ago said but for their own guy McBush none of that applies. He can misspeak about Iraq or the economy but it does matter. Hopefully after Grandpa McBush loses we'll have heard the last of him.

Posted by: Joe | June 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama hates america and hates white people.

GOD DAMN AMERICA.

Obama has been witnessed nodding his head when Wright has gone off on white people and America.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

You saw how the church people jumped up as father Pfleger made fun of Hillary.

This is the church Obama went to for 20 years.

Obama took his children to this american and white hate filled cesspool of a so called church.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

...welcome to the media spectacle McCain, thank you for taking some of the heat off my boy.

Obama 08/12

Posted by: Truth | June 14, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain served this nation in the military and wouldn't leave his comrades after having his teeth knocked out and having his arms broken to where he can't lift his arms up today. They hung McCain's arms from a ceiling.

Obama is a drug dealing, american hating crook friendly with wright, rezko, ayres, terrorists like hamidi, father pfleger.


When is the post going to cover Obama's relationship with father pfleger.

Father Pfleger invited Farrakkan to his church and praised him.

This is who Obama loves.

Obama loves anti semites.

Read Obama's books.

Obama hates white people.

Obama hates america. GOD DAMN AMERICA.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Miked Obama got a sweetheart deal for his house from Rezko.

Obama saved 300,000 with a sweetheart deal for his house from Rezko. Obama is a crook.

Rezko raised millions for Obama through his career.

When is Obama going to give back the 300,000 sweetheart deal for his house. Obama was under federal investigation.

Miked you must love american hating scum like Obama.

Go sing GOD DAMN AMERICA with Obama.


Obama went to a church that loves hamas, loves farakkan, hates america, hates white people.

Obama loves anti semites like father pfleger.


You Obama supporters hate america like your candiate.

You are the scum of the earth.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain has also said to his current wife, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt."

Posted by: Johnny | June 14, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

speaking oil...newt blames congress for high gas prices. see uncut interview below:

http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/06/newt-uncut.html

Posted by: tomabrahams | June 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

To Juliet, get your facts right.

The 300,000 hasn't been given to the McCain campaign.

It was for the fundraiser which was cancelled.

Your story makes it seem like the McCain campaign has recived that money which is a lie.

Go read the story online from the local midland paper.

Your story is inaccurate.

You reporters love to lie about McCain but are silent about your thuggish Obama.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Jason, Two reporters and two McCain aides confirmed it so unless they are lying, I'm not "repating" a lie. McCain called his wife a C-NT (and a trollop) Look it up.

Posted by: miked | June 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Cliff recycled old lies from the 2000 campaign.

The same campaign that said McCain had illegitimate children.

Cliff is a dem operative.

I guess you believe everything you read. Those lies were debunked in 2000.


Obama loved going to church where they sang GOD DAMN AMERICA and hated white people.


Obama loves anti semites like father pfleger.


Obama loves william ayres.

Obama loves rezko.

Obama bought his house from rezko when he was under investigaton.


You want to talk about words check out some of the things Obama has said about white people.


Do you know what Obama was doing in 1992.

He was using cocaine.


Obama is a thug.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Her Lao- Actually, having lived in Sa'udi Arabia, I can tell you EXACTLY what the REAL issue is.

:::::::::::::

Satan and Freedom, are to a Shia Cleric, Synonymous!

But LOL! :-D

I did like the Movie "300"! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 14, 2008 3:40 PM
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You see, there lies the mother of all problems:

I didn't like "300" --- it had too much steroid all over it!

There's nothing more fakery than "300". It made fun of other people and civilization, while prasing the Greeks/Romans, who were among the most bloodthirsty conquerors recorded in history, during their respective heights.

The Britney Spearing and Mondonanization of American culture makes everyone looks bad:

Us who export such gibberish nonsense, on the one hand, AND socalled traditional, cultural vanguards of other groups around the world who are, through repressive means [and even then very ineffective], determined to keep their children and cultures from these mindless Madona-Britney Speare nonsense, on the other hand...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

To Juliet:

McCain has recieved no money frmo Williams.

This story is a lie.

The money was for the fundraiser which was cancelled.

To Juliet:

Take down your story. It is a lie. Read the original story from the Midland paper.

The money was for the fundraiser which was cancelled.

According to the latest FEC reports McCain hasn't raised anywhere near the 300,000 from the Midland area.


Journalists must report accurate stories.

Reporting misleading stories like this is bad for democrcacy.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

For Jason, who likes to play fast and loose with other people's lives:


"The Real McCain by Cliff Schecter, reports an angry exchange between McCain and his wife that happened in full view of aides and reporters during a 1992 campaign stop. An advance copy of the book was obtained by RAW STORY.

Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c**t." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days."


Posted by: 2008 | June 14, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Yuck...no wonder Obama is beating McCain with women. Must be hard for Clayton to write a check with your knuckles scraping the ground.

Posted by: 2008 | June 14, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Her Lao- Actually, having lived in Sa'udi Arabia, I can tell you EXACTLY what the REAL issue is.

Just like confusing people about the Criminals Employing People Illegally gets called "Illegal Immigration"-Which is the symptom, NOT the Problematic Magnet there-of, our Politicians and Media have done the same when they talk about defending our "Freedoms".

The Freedom they are worried about, is the right to behave in immoral ways. While I agree it is wrong to try to force moral standards(Like our INSANE Drug Laws!-Alcohol is Taboo, where Hemp is not!), due to People NOT always agreeing on just What is "Morality". I feel we cause places like Sa'udi Arabia and other "Challenged" Societies much grief with MOST of our Movies and Songs that wind up in their societies!

It is the BIGGEST, but most often not mentioned, threat Israel poses! The Jews are the Media! The Media has many conservative Muslims in a real Snit!

Granted, it Could, and possibly WILL get worse, before the Muslims try to eradicate the perceived threat. We, should be first to consider just how much we allow our Industries to get away with though!

I'll be the first to admit Killing innocent People over some lame Danish Cartoons when there is MUCH worse easily available by surfing the Web, is Over the Top! But, it is more building pressure Exploding!

Then, again an example of the Differences in Cultures, and Translations getting abused: When the Theocracy in Iran refers to us as the Great Satan, realize, it is the fundamental "Freedoms" we cherish that they are referring to.

Satan, brought "Freedom"! Freedom, to CHOOSE! Our promotion of People being able to Choose, is why we are considered "Satan"!

Satan and Freedom, are to a Shia Cleric, Synonymous!

But LOL! :-D

I did like the Movie "300"! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 14, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

To Miked, you are repating a lie. McCain never said that.

A dem operative is using old lies about McCain that were debunked in 2000. Damn you are gulable.


Obama is the scum of the earth.

Rezko, Wright, Father Pfleger, Ayres, Hamidi.

Obama is utter sleaze.

Posted by: Jason | June 14, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

And why doesn"t Ms. Eilperin and the MSM report the story about McCain calling his wife a C-NT?

Posted by: miked | June 14, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

To Juliet,

Shame on you.

This is hypocricy at its worst.

Obama is helping Al Franken who made jokes about rape.

When are you going to write an article about that.


The democrats love to lie. They have some nerve to be running al franken and then whine about this.

Clayton raised that money for the fundraiser which was already cancelled.

Who cares. Obama returned money from rezko's associates to then just call back and have them write the check again.

These are individuals who are not Mr Williams. If the checks were returned they would just donate again.

Posted by: Sidney | June 14, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Why would McSame give the money back? You're talking about a "man" that calls his wife a c-nt in front of a room full of men.

Posted by: miked | June 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

In a Time Magazine piece, Michael Kinsley wrote these wise words:

"The theme of this campaign has been umbrage. The candidates took turns pretending to be offended by something another candidate had said -- or the other candidate's failure to denounce what some third party had said."

He was referring to the Democratic primary, but it can apply equally well to the start of the general campaign, and it's getting really boring.

Let's give umbrage a rest and get on to talking about the real issues! I can't wait for the first Obama/McCain debate. If Obama can't make mincemeat out of McCain in a face-to-face encounter, maybe he doesn't deserve to be President.

(But the debate moderator should strip-search McCain to make sure he doesn't have a hidden receiver on him so Joe Lieberman can tell him what to say!)

Posted by: WillytheKorn | June 14, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Shame on McCain!

Posted by: mary | June 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Wait Obama took money from Al Franken.

The dems are running al franken who made jokes about rape.

To Juliet,

What about Al Franken.

Posted by: David | June 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse


Just give the filthy $$ back to TX Republican pig, OK, McSame?

You're the richest Senator; donate the same amount to your campaign for a 3rd Bush term.

Posted by: Klem | June 14, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the "PC nonsense" get its start up in Michigan or Minnesota where college students would go aroung nig*** this or fa*/qu*** that?
Is it OK too talk that way?

Posted by: Ted | June 14, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again". The Post would report negatively if they found out that McCain didn't change his underwear on a daily basis whereas the messiah get a freepass on shady land deals. Keep up the good work.You guys are a beacon on truth

Posted by: ziggy1 | June 14, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again". The Post would report negatively if they found out that McCain didn't change his underwear on a daily basis whereas the messiah get a freepass on shady land deals. Keep up the good work.You guys are a beacon on truth

Posted by: ziggy1 | June 14, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

To quote Ronald Reagan, "There you go again". The Post would report negatively if they found out that McCain didn't change his underwear on a daily basis whereas the messiah get a freepass on shady land deals. Keep up the good work.You guys are a beacon on truth

Posted by: ziggy1 | June 14, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh LOL! :-D

O'Bombasamabots! :-D

Jodie Evans is so typical of the half-Armed "Experts" promoting the Empty Suit!

"We were attacked because we were in Saudi Arabia," Evans remarked.

LOL! We HAVE BEEN in Saudi Arabia for decades!

And Bahrain, Kuwait, and MANY other "Muslim" Nations!

But, as usual, Facts do not seem to matter to the Libbie Mind! ;~)


Posted by: SAINT---The | June 14, 2008 3:07 PM
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Wasn't that partly why we're attacked?

No, I am just kidding:

We were attacked because evil doers were/are just jealous of our greatness, freedom, prosperity, charitably Christian nature, and democracy.

That's right! Wipe them all out and there won't be no attacks no more!, preparing the way for Jesus Second Coming!

Gun totin' Conservatives and militia types are so deep, I am perpetually astounded by their deepness! LOL

Posted by: Her Lao | June 14, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Will you give it all to charity, McCain?

Of course he's not giving it back! That's $300,000!!

Posted by: Obama2008 | June 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I have to tell everyone this:

I am old enough to remember the Film Legends. John Wayne, Humphrey Bogart, and have seen much Vaudeville and Slapstick.

This PC Garbage is New Wave, and i am "Old School". John Wayne got famous doing his old "Modern" Westerns, and even his later stuff was not exactly "PC"!

This Garbage about "Jokes",

Well Frankly my Dears, I don't give a Damn!

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 14, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Now every time we see a Republican ad, we can ask ourselves: "I wonder if this was purchased with Clayton cash?"

Welcome to McCain's version of "lie back and enjoy it."

Posted by: Brix | June 14, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh LOL! :-D

O'Bombasamabots! :-D

Jodie Evans is so typical of the half-Armed "Experts" promoting the Empty Suit!

"We were attacked because we were in Saudi Arabia," Evans remarked.

LOL! We HAVE BEEN in Saudi Arabia for decades!

And Bahrain, Kuwait, and MANY other "Muslim" Nations!

But, as usual, Facts do not seem to matter to the Libbie Mind! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain:

Give me a break fellows, it's hard to collect money this year. Appearances are important but not as important as cash.

Posted by: G8tr | June 14, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh LOL! The "Double Standard" BS!

In Austin, Ann Richards is PRAISED as being one Tough Cookie!

But, in Typical Woman Fashion, wants to Fight Men, but expects Men to hold their punches!

WEAK!

He was saying it Figuratively! He had said the Same about a Male Contender-or more likely, WORSE!

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 14, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

He will take his money but on seat at the dinner table. Kind of like picking his pocket before you throw him under the bus.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

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