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Obama Hits Back at Questions About His Patriotism


Barack Obama, U.S. senator from Illinois and Democratic presidential candidate, speaks at the Truman Memorial Building in Independence, Mo., June 30, 2008. (Bloomberg News)

Updated 5:05 p.m.
By Jonathan Weisman
INDEPENDENCE, MO. -- Dogged by persistent questions about his faith in God and country, Sen. Barack Obama today journeyed to Harry Truman's birthplace to lay out his vision of patriotism, conceding that he has learned in this campaign "the question of who is -- or is not -- a patriot all too often poisons our political debate."

"Throughout my life, I have always taken my deep and abiding love for this country as a given, " Obama said. "It was how I was raised. It was what propelled me into public service. It it why I am running for president. And yet at times over the last 16 months, my patriotism [has been] challenged - at times as a result of my own carelessness, more often as a result of the desire by some to score political points and raise fears about who I am and what I stand for."

The address, at the Truman Memorial Building here, was an extraordinary one for a presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party just four months before election day. Obama has built his candidacy on the promise of change in a political year when the vast majority of Americans feel their nation is on the wrong track. But he has found himself tripping over one of the lowest hurdles a politician faces, the issue of his patriotism.

False assertions have persistently circulated online, claiming incorrectly that Obama will not recite the Pledge of Allegiance, place his hand on his heart for the national anthem or wear an American flag pin on his lapel.

The Obama campaign this month erected a website, Fight The Smears, to combat these false claims about him, even posting videos of the senator from Illinois leading the Pledge of Allegiance as he opened a Senate session. But in some circles -- and especially among the white, working-class voters he has had the most difficulty with -- the beliefs have become ingrained, egged on by Internet videos such as one that pans over Democratic presidential candidates in Iowa with their hands over their hearts during the national anthem. In the video, Obama has his hands crossed in front of him. Another shows Obama's wife, Michelle, saying that for the first time, she is proud of her country.

Obama tried to take the offensive today, proclaiming that he "will not stand idly by" as his patriotism is questioned.

His speech put the issue in a sweeping historical perspective, speaking of charges that Thomas Jefferson had sold the nation out to the French and that John Adams was in cahoots with the British. He also questioned policies enacted in the name of patriotism, from Adams' Alien and Sedition Act, Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus and Franklin Delano Roosevelt's internment of Japanese Americans.

"The use of patriotism as a political sword or a political shield is as old as the Republic," Obama said. "Still, what is striking about today's patriotism debate is the degree to which it remains rooted in the culture wars of the 1960s -- in arguments that go back 40 years or more. In the early years of the civil rights movement and opposition to the Vietnam War, defenders of the status quo often accused anybody who questioned the wisdom of government policies of being unpatriotic."

Obama was quick to add that the civil rights and anti-war protesters did their part to bring those charges on -- and to make them stick, "by burning flags, by blaming America for all that was wrong with the world, and perhaps most tragically, by failing to honor those veterans coming home from Vietnam, something that remains a national shame to this day."

Obama tried to situate the issue of patriotism in his own, unusual biography, which took a child from Hawaii to Indonesia, from a home headed by a single mother to one led by grandparents, with both parents at times absent.

"For a young man of mixed race, without even a father's steadying hand, it is this essential American idea -- that we are not constrained by the accident of birth but can make of our lives what we will -- that has defined my life, just as it has defined the life of so many other Americans," he said. "That is why for me, patriotism is always more than just loyalty to a place on a map or a certain kind of people. Instead, it's also loyalty to America's ideals, ideals for which anyone can sacrifice, or defend, or give their last full measure of devotion."

When controversy exploded over the fiery sermons of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama showed he could help defuse a political threat when he challenges it head on. His speech on race in Philadelphia in March was hailed for its candor and eloquence, and in the days that followed it, he quickly moved back to the central themes of the primary campaign, the economy and Iraq.

This time, campaign aides say, Obama will stick with the theme of patriotism through the July 4 week, when he travels to conservative leaning regions of western Ohio and the Mountain West.
"I give him credit. He is taking this very seriously," said presidential historian Robert Dallek, who compared Obama's travails to those of John F. Kennedy, which was plagued by whisper campaigns about the divided loyalties of the would-be first Catholic president.

Those anti-Catholic whispers were a real threat to Kennedy, Dallek said, but they were not abetted by the stubborn, unruly Internet, nor were they stoked by the undercurrent of racial suspicion that Obama faces.

Kennedy went on the offensive in 1960, charging that his Republican opponent, then-Vice President Richard M. Nixon, had been weak on Cuba and had allowed a "missile gap" to develop with the Soviet Union.

Democrats appeared to be taking a page from the Kennedy play book. Over the weekend, Gen. (Ret.) Wesley Clark questioned whether presumptive Republican nominee John McCain's record as a fighter pilot and Vietnam prisoner of war really were qualifications to be commander-in-chief. Clark's comments echoed a similar jab by Sen. John. D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.V.), and it triggered a fierce response by the McCain campaign and an effort to put some distance

McCain put up his own website to counter questions over his military service.

Obama added his personal support for McCain's efforts, acknowledging McCain and other wounded veterans, "who have endured physical torment in service to our country."

"No further proof of such sacrifice is necessary," Obama said. "And let me also add that no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters on both sides."

Obama's speech was first planned for this spring, when the rumors began to gain ground. At the suggestion of former senator Bill Bradley, Obama had hoped to deliver it in Gettysburg, Pa., a wrenching site for such an address from the first African American nominee of a major party. But the Wright controversy supplanted patriotism with race as Obama's primary concern, and the speech was postponed.

The Obama campaign today denied having had such plans.

After Obama took a private tour of Harry Truman's turn-of-the-century, white Victorian home, he ruminated on his choice of Independence for his speech.

"Not only Truman but Mark Twain embodied a lot of the wisdom of the Midwest," Obama told reporters outside the house. "And so when you think about the Fourth of July, for me at least, I think about the spirit that is this place.... It's a place where there's not a lot of pretense or fuss or trying to use patriotism in ways that divide us. So I thought it was an appropriate setting."

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Comments

Thank God I live in the San Francisco Bay Area where hate-spewing rubes are next to extinct. Do I really live in a country with so many ignorant people? It's shameful and depressing.

Posted by: klazzic | July 1, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how Repubs keep trying to frame Obama as someone just as dirty as them. Sorry folks, it just isn't true!

Posted by: Don | July 1, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama has learned much from Karl Rove. All that we have done is to substitute Obama for Bush and the Obama supporters for the religious right. It doesn't do this democracy any good to have Obama send envoys abroad to ensure foreign governments that all of rhetoric is just political posturing. If you frame Barack's rhetoric in those terms, you get the measure of the man. BTW, I wish the MSM would stop it with the Landmark speech crap. Nothing changed except, it gave the press an excuse to spread Obama propaganda while simultaneously side-stepping the issue.

Posted by: David | July 1, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I work hard for my family. I hardly spent that much time with my kids because of work and responsibilities of being an adult. What I think when I read your articles is how stupid are you? Or maybe how can I get a ticket to live in your fantasy land for a while and leave reality behind? It has been a long time since this country has had good candidates for presidents and this year is not offering much better. I am tired of being racist because I am white. I am tired of paying for other people to be on welfare and much less those that are not even legal to live here. I am tired of giving money away when we are so far in debt.

How about we secure our borders first? Then when we stop the wave of millions pouring in we can focus on fixing the inside. Let's make sure that our elders have money for medications and food. Anyone who has served their country deserves the next level of giveaways. Then the sick and the poor. You should not get more of anything for having more babies. 0. It should all be on a time line. My grandparents worked hard or went to bed hungry.

IRS serves no purpose. The federal government should only be for the protection of this country. State laws should out rule federal unless it is matter of national security.

I am tempted to open a cash business and stop participating in the great American give away.

Remember that all of your politicians were bought and paid for by big oil and drug companies.

Don't vote - send that message.

Posted by: I hate liberals | July 1, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a good man, a patriot, and a Christian. He will be the next president of the United States of America. God Bless Mr Obama!

Posted by: Bill Clinton | July 1, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Me Gusta Obama mucho porque el es muy inteligente.
McCain no es inteligente, McCain es similar a Bush.

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Posted by: kelly | July 1, 2008 5:53 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Dr Nick | July 1, 2008 4:33 AM | Report abuse

Republicans,

If you folks don't wish to get serious and cease from these myriad of distractions, you will, in fact, "dig your own grave."

Your party, and what is left of a once greater nation, has been driven into the "ditch."

THINK DAMN IT!

If there was ANYTHING in Baracks background that could be found objectionable (in the least), do you actually believe the CIA, the FBI and the Secret Service would withhold that kind of information? Hell, even Bill Clinton would sabotage him if there were!

Republicans really have no one to turn to; you are conducting yourselves as a lost party and your fear tactics have all been witnessed in past elections.

A handful of you admit that because he is in bi-racial skin, you can not vote for him. While I remind you that is not HIS fault I will also state the your forthrightness, I appreciate. All of this other "crap" you folk are attempting to sell has become old, stale, rotten and no one is buying it.

If you are racist, say so, and be done with it! In the end, you will simply confirm that the Republican party is where you folks are.

No matter how racist you are, this is America where you have a right to stand for who and what you are.

I can defend that; unlike most of you, I already have.

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | July 1, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

what makes me american?
my daddy was a United States Admiral, Submariner and i submitted to lilliputians even though i had the means but not a will to resist.

OR

born south-side chicago, my daddy ain't so rich. my daddy isn't ghetto like americans and my momma is related to dick cheney.

Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

United States Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas;

Barack Obama is too black to be American.

Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

OMG, i can't believe i said this.

will the US DOJ, US DOC, US DOHS come knocking on my door and take me down for talking mad smack?

i bet, if my case were to end up in the US Supreme Court, United States Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas would rule against me because I am TOO BLACK!

Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

What should we do if Obama doesn't pull our troops out of Iraq next year? He promised! People really need to ask him what exactly he will do in the first year if he is the president. He can's get away with it if he fails to keep this promise!

Posted by: Jake | July 1, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

What should we do if Obama doesn't pull our troops out of Iraq next year? He promised! People really need to ask him what exactly he will do in the first year if he is the president. He can's get away with this promise!

Posted by: Jake | July 1, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

I am an American fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.

faking injuries when I have the means and not the will to annihilate lillipuchans is a viable excuse. after all, lillipuchans gave me medical aid when my brothers didn't get jack squat.

MY DADDY IS A US ADMIRMAL

Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

we need america's flag officers to describe what it takes American Fighting Men to submit to lillipuchans if they have the means and not the will to resist.

Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Obama is no Muslim, Christian, etc.. He is an atheist like his mother was. He has no faith in God; and he uses religion as a tool to get ahead in life, and when religion don't work for him, he tosses it aside like he did Rev. Wright.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

what makes me american?
my daddy was a United States Admiral, Submariner and i submitted to lilliputians even though i had the means but not a will to resist.

OR

born south-side chicago, my daddy ain't so rich. my daddy isn't ghetto like americans and my momma is related to dick cheney.

Posted by: egalitaire | July 1, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Wow. There is so much unfounded hate here.
Why hate Obama or McCain? Both guys are trying to help their country.

If you feel McCain's economic policy is better, tell us why! That's a lot more helpful.

If you feel his policies are not going to work, tell us which policies, and why!
But here's a hint: 'because he's old', 'because he's a Muslim', or the like don't explain anything.

Try something like "McCain's plans to attack earmarks will help the economy by reducing government spending drastically without handicapping our war efforts. He already has a background of passing this type of legislation. Just reference the campaign finance reform bill."

Or perhaps "Barack Obama has a vision for Washington and for the country which we feel he can carry out. His ability to lead men and women is clear. His ability to build coalitions and inspire people will lead to a new era of involvement from the masses and resume the American marketplace of ideas."

Just examples and my idea of debate that helps. Please people, there's really no reason for all the hate.

Posted by: Doug | July 1, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Obama and his supporters use the word RACIST to intimidate anyone from exposing him.

BTW, before any of his supporters try to lecture any of McCain supporters about being racist, I suggest that they first go lecture those 95% Negroes who voted Obama in the primary because he is black.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

CP Cook wrote: "Let's be honest here, it will not be Obama who will get us out of the economic mess we are in. Like it or not, McCain's economic positions are more reasonable. More government intervention, bail-outs and additional taxes will only put us deeper into the recession."

Let's be honest, I agree: you are a Republican talking the same old nonsense that the Republicans and Bush have been selling and pushing onto us for the last 8 years. Let's be honest, it is not working. Let's be honest, we have had enough of these type of economic policies that make the Exxons and Enrons ultra-rich while treating the rest of us like a bag of dirt. Let's be honest: it is these policies that have got us into the mess we are in today. Let's be honest, Obama's economic policies will bring us back to the golden years that we enjoyed during Clinton's presidency which guys like you started out by saying "Don't blame me: I voted for Bush", but then later changed your story to "Clinton got lucky to inherent all the rewards that were set up by Bush economics." Let's be honest, America is not dumb enough to see through this crap and the same old crap you guys are trying to sell. Yes, I agree, honesty is the best policy. Goodbye CP Cook and McCain and the Republican party, your reign on top of American politics is over and gone. America has had enough and we are just not dumb enough to fall for more of the same.

Posted by: Mike | June 30, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I love it when Repubs try to cast Obama as a Muslism. That's all they know: deception and slandering, and that's all they are capable of. It just isn't going to work against Obama. America is not that dumb! America is not as dumb as the Republican party!!! so keep trying you idiots!

Posted by: Billy MacIntire | June 30, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

To SteveCO...

We may disagree with McCain's positions, but we should also remember that at least McCain has a track record. Comapare this with Obama's record, and we should be glad at least McCain is proviing us with a real choice in this election. I don't know about you, but I am not an ideologue (although I trend Democratic). Having said that, to vote for Obama is to vote to another Bush (although now, he is a Democrat!). To vote for an ultra-liberal like Obama with the Dems controlling Congress is like going back to the time when Republicans control everthing. What we now consider as Bush's failures are exactly those that Democrats voted along with. Except for the last vote, Obama voted for Iraq funding. Talk about having political gall! Let's be honest here, it will not be Obama who will get us out of the economic mess we are in. Like it or not, McCain's economic positions are more reasonable. More government intervention, bail-outs and additional taxes will only put us deeper into the recession. Furthermore, what Obama is bringing is economic class warfare. We are all in this together, and once one class of people is pitted against the other will only make everybody worse.

Now about you wrote "I find zero heroism in a man who votes to bankrupt America with hundreds of billions for oil companies, over a *trillion* dollars spent on a war in Iraq started and maintained by sheer lies - yet this same old geezer can vote against health care for poor children in *this* country." This might as well be Obama's speech.... all talk, zero substance. If you want to discuss thngs, discuss but please spare the rest of humanity with empty slogans. BTW, again, I am a Democrat, but empty slogans is one among the big reasons why I can't in good conscience vote for Obama. I would rather cast my lot with somebody who has a sound plan, and has taken positions and acted on issues.

Posted by: CP Cook | June 30, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a democrat...
Patriotism is antithetical to all they hold dear.....antiAmericanism, now that is what Obama has a corner on....ask his minister (ex) ask his wife (current).
Obama is a muslim....it never ends with this guy.......

Posted by: George Dixon | June 30, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse


"Bush seems to think that all of his sins of racism and double standards are excused by so-called "compassionate" conservatism in developing regions.

Because of Bush, many people do not have equal opportunities to employment- and are treated disparately with blatant discirmination.

People are unfairly and dishonestly maligned because of the Bush administration.

Yet Bush spends more money to fight AIDS in Africa, than he spends for domestic problems

Why is it htat some of the recipients of this AID often harbor some of the same prejudices and stereotypes as their American benefactors?

Sort of like the Adventists from Southern Africa who called non-whites - "wenches", etc."

NEWS FLASH TO THOSE LOONEY LIB DOPERS WHO THINK BUSH IS STILL RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT..

IT'S A DIFFERENT ELECTION, You should attack McCain he's the one running this time.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse


No, Weisman,
The senator is not trying to take the offensive on this issue.
He is no more angry than any other man would be in such circumstances.
It's you who is offensive.

Posted by: wardropper | June 30, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Compassionate Conservatism is one of the worst sins out there.

Bush seems to think that all of his sins of racism and double standards are excused by so-called "compassionate" conservatism in developing regions.

Because of Bush, many people do not have equal opportunities to employment- and are treated disparately with blatant discirmination.

The discrimination laws serve white people and not the victims of discrimination.

People are unfairly and dishonestly maligned because of the Bush administration.

Yet Bush spends more money to fight AIDS in Africa, than he spends for domestic problems in brown and white communities here in the US

This is the same type of compassionate conservatism that the adventist and catholic churches practice.

It's a form of neocolonialism for sure.

Why is it htat some of the recipients of this AID often harbor some of the same prejudices and stereotypes as their American benefactors?

Sort of like the Adventists from Southern Africa who called non-whites - "wenches", etc.

It's a kind of neocolonialism and spread of poison in my view.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

The question of whether Obama is presidential material is not about patriotism it is about policy. Senator Obama spoke here in Reno, NV at UNR and said, "America can not ask other nations to lay down or fore go their missiles and missile development unless we do so first."

He uses the same syllogism often as in his, "How can we ask other nations to reduce carbon emissions when we drive around in our SUVs in America and buy whatever we want" (I am paraphrasing two of his quotes)

A President Obama can make a mistake or two regarding carbon emissions and he may ruin our economic advantage but we will survive as a nation. However if a President Obama lays down our missiles and eliminates our new successful missile defense system, which Obama often has said he will defund, then we may find ourselves speaking Chinese in the near future.

Hitler would have loved a Prime Minister Obama instead of the Winston Churchill he got.

As Churchill said , "Any man who is under 30 and is not a liberal has no heart but any man who is over 30 and is not a conservative has no head."

Judging from his policy pronouncements Barak Obama is still in his political adolescence.

America can not afford to have him at the helm of our ship of state until he matures.

Posted by: Mike in reno | June 30, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

You guys are certifiable. It's like you do drugs all the time and never wake up to your own flip-flopping idiocy.

You Obamabots shouldn't confuse the other side with yours.

Posted by: Obama is a joker | June 30, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I can't let you Republicans keep making fools of yourselves. During the 2000 convention the Bushies crucified McCain; they gave him an illegitimate black child and called him a coward, of all things. You let Rove cook him and call him a Vietnam Veteran unworthy to serve as a sitting President. So you loved Rove's roast then and gave Bush the nod, now you say, "Oh, my God, no, McCain's a hero." You guys are certifiable. It's like you do drugs all the time and never wake up to your own flip-flopping idiocy.

Posted by: faulpelz | June 30, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama the most powerful man on earth.

All about the power.....

Posted by: We see the real Obama | June 30, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

"We cant use 20% of the worlds energy with only 3% of population..."

Part of the reason we use so much energy is we are the world's biggest economy. We take in raw materials and put out finished products like medicine, food, appliances, computers and electronics, automobiles, plastics, ships, planes, etc., that the rest of the world buys from us, or that we give away.

My Comment:
In a number of those areas, not really. Take a look, for example, where all of those parts of your computers are made. How many High Def TV's, DVD Recorders, Computer Monitors, or other consumer electronics are made in the US? America is simply not the "engine of production" anymore.

Posted by: Not Anymore | June 30, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is living proof to me. No matter where you start in life from. If you do the right things at the right time and stay your course you can be the most powerful man on earth. The Audacity of Hope. Hats off to Barack. He should not become vain. His house should really built on rock! Let them huff and puff, huff and puff, they can't blow your house down! God be with you, Barack!

Posted by: mdsubramonia | June 30, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I hope WaPo removes your posts.
Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | June 30, 2008 11:10 PM

Stop trying to intimidate women you jerk!


Posted by: Professor Hussein | June 30, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't let the sun set on problems. Obama does what Kerry couldn't do. He can land a punch in rebuttal and he is on top of the opposition smear. I commend him, because he is not afraid of them.

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | June 30, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Grace:

You are a slanderous liar. In another blog, you wrote that Obama sold coke and weed in Chicago.

I hope he sues you, and I hope WaPo removes your posts.

Let McCain win or lose on his own merits.

Posted by: ProfWrightBSU | June 30, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of Hussein lecturing the country he is so damn arrogant.I wonder what Moveon.org is saying now since they got thrown under the bus also Keith Olberman with his crazy ---.They wanted Hussein to stayed to the radical left now he dissed their ---.It served them right since they diss Hillary the true winner.Hussein says being community organizer is what makes him a leader that is bull----.Mccain has more experienced than him but know one really paying attention to the man because Hussein sing sweet bull---- in the media ears and they come all over they selves wake up America he will ruining this country and he will bring racist people out.I'm a African American who voted for Hillary and still thought she got cheated and if I vote for Hussein he has to pick Hillary if he doesnt he lost my vote.One more thing ask Hussein if he eat pork and you will know if he is a Muslim.

Posted by: tina | June 30, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Grace, speaking for racists:
"McCain is the true American hero. Obama is a fake used car salesman who makes it seem like we are all racist if we do not vote for him."

I'm not sure what you find "heroic" in a political coward who has stood so close to Bush's position you wonder if the idiot can read the polls.

I find zero heroism in a man who votes to bankrupt America with hundreds of billions for oil companies, over a *trillion* dollars spent on a war in Iraq started and maintained by sheer lies - yet this same old geezer can vote against health care for poor children in *this* country.

Despite his service in Vietnam, McCain has abandoned Americans by abandoning the Constitution. He is complicit in the growing fascism in this country, the longer our current President War Criminal stays in power.

Posted by: SteveCO | June 30, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama aims high and smears McCain's military service through his weasel Clark.

Yeah.....real a real class act.

Posted by: Obamaniac | June 30, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Some people aim high; some people aim low.

Obama aims high, and you can just watch it going over a lot of these posters' heads. Whoosh.

You read their responses, and they are all aimed low. Name-calling, that's about all they've got. Down in the mud where they live, everything looks like dirt.

So how about you? Have you got more than name-calling to offer?

Posted by: drossless | June 30, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

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Nice try Demokrat.

Posted by: Obama your messiah | June 30, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: PeaPod | June 30, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with the poster below. I'm sorry, I have always voted Republican but not this time because it is just so obvious and disgraceful why my party is doing to attack a candidate wrongly and unfairly. Political change is what is needed in America today. I'm also with Obama!

Posted by: Republkican for Obama | June 30, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I know Obama is going to win the November election at least 55% to 45%
Posted by: MerryJoeCurlyandMoe | June 30, 2008 10:51 PM

ThanK you for your insight, now let's just call off the election and proclaim Obamamoron King of the flies

Posted by: No election needed | June 30, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Repubs are going to continue to slander and deceive whoever the Democratic candidate is until the cows come home. This is nothing new. That's what they do every election. The main difference this election is that Democratic candidate is fighting back. I'm with Obama. I'm sick of this type of politics and I'm not going to take it any more.

Posted by: Hillary | June 30, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't even get stressed about any of this moronic crap anymore because I know Obama is going to win the November election at least 55% to 45%, and maybe more. So the morons will have to flounder on the sidelines for at least the next eight years. And probably longer, because with the Shrub leaving office as the least popular President ever in America, the Republicans are lucky if they elect another GOP President before 2020.

Posted by: MerryJoe | June 30, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

American voters do not believe that Obama can walk the walk and talk the talk. we believe that he is selling us a bill of goods.

Obama is more like a used car salesman.

Obama sells the idea that he was raised by his grandparents neglecting to mention that they were rich and he went to the best private college prep schools while Obama's mother was on food stamps.

Obama refused to go to his own mother's funeral.

When asked who Americans would want to carry the American flag during the Olympic ceremony. Voters said they would want John McCain to hold the flag at the Olympics.

McCain is the true American hero. Obama is a fake used car salesman who makes it seem like we are all racist if we do not vote for him.

Posted by: Grace | June 30, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Tim Scanlon | June 30, 2008 10:41 PM
People who question his patriotism are morons.


People who trah the electorate, shouldn't count on their votes!

Voters have every right and duty to make sure a person running for office of President is honest, patriotic and capable.

You self important jerks on the left will never get one of your arrogant shills elected, becaue you cannot keep your mouth shut long enough to keep from telling us who you really are.

Posted by: Voting public | June 30, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

On CBS News This Evening, Katie Couric stated That Hon obama esq, while as younster in forgien country attend islamic madressa for education. I don't think Hon Obama esq is being Honorable with U.S, Public on Point.

Signed:PHYSICIAN THOMAS STEWART VON DRASHEK M.D.

Posted by: thomasxstewart | June 30, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Many former Presidents have been Senators and Governors. I can't see too many who had a military back-ground. I don't think it is essential to have military experience to be a President. A pure civilian may be able to get us out of the 'war' mind-set and do business as usual to repair the leaks and the holes on our bridges and our streets.

Compared to new ramparts of Singapore or Shanghai or many other 'high growth' ,'hi tech' centers of the world, the United States, the "icon" has started looking old and wrinkled. We need our money to be spent right here to make us 'state-of-the-art' and claim back our place as 'numero uno' after the great slide back over the last 8 years. That is the kind of leadership we are looking for. Judicious application, true professionalism, high energy, commitment, zeal and true leadership qualities, with youth and verve. By the need of the hour, we need to steer away from military and sabre-rattling. Move on, America, time to move on and not to be rivetted in the 20th century mind-set. Let not pity and attachment to the past colour your vision and make you look through a prism. See sigma, hear six-sigma, feel six-sigma, go for it! Be a savvy investor. From now on, do it right, the first time, every time.

Ring out the old, ring in the new.

Posted by: mdsubramonia | June 30, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

People who question his patriotism are morons.

The list of blatant flaws in their reasoning is so vast and pathetic as to make it obviously a waste of time to debate with them.

It should be obvious to even the most undereducated that a person running for president is exceptionally patriotic. It doesn't matter what party they're in either.

Posted by: Tim Scanlon | June 30, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Nice move by McCain, appearing onstage with one of the character assassins who spread lies about Kerry's military record in 2004. I guess he's too dumb to grasp the irony.

Posted by: Patrick | June 30, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Great...now let's move on to the importance of this election.

Posted by: Bob Davidson | June 30, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

For a man who questioned the false notion of patriotism in wearing a flag pin, he sure drape himself in oversize flags every chance he gets, nowadays.

He will support any foe, oppose any friend, compromise any position, change any long-held view, throw anybody under the bus, sell his soul - as long as it clears the path to the White House.

... and his flock stands up and cheers.

Amazing!

Expediency, thy name is Barack!

Posted by: Krishna | June 30, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Well said Dianne72!!!

Posted by: Susi | June 30, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama saved America from the Clintons.

The Clintons went to Harlem and here is the result:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZqMkdpYi0&NR=1

Posted by: JR, Boston | June 30, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Actions speak louder than words:

Which Presidential Candidate Pays His Female Employees Better?
Monday, June 30, 2008

By Brit Hume

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Now some fresh pickings from the Political Grapevine:

Money Talks

Barack Obama has vowed to make equal pay for women a priority if elected president and even told supporters in New Mexico last week, "McCain is an honorable man... but when you look at our records and our plans on issues that matter to working women, the choice could not be clearer. It starts with equal pay."

But Cybercast News cites a report from the secretary of the Senate which says women working in Obama's Senate office were paid, on average, about $6,000 less than men. And, of the five people in Obama's office who earn more than $100,000 a year, only one is a woman.

But in John McCain's Senate office, the average pay for women is $2,500 more than men.

Posted by: monitor1 | June 30, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

While Americans debate patriotism, Big Oil finally gets what it was promised.

Posted by: Onefreeman | June 30, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Good goobidy go! I spent almost 2 hours reading this crap, and when I refreshed the page, there were 100 more posts from hell.

I really don't know why the hate. People don't find the facts out for themselves...they believe the crap they want to believe, and disregard the items that don't agree with what they want to hear. Sad really.

The current administration has destroyed the country. They have borrowed so much money, run up the national debt, started a war, (and yes, we did start a war in Iraq. There was no connection to the 9/11 attacks) shredded the constitution, lied, cheated the American people out of billions of dollars in no-bid contracts to their cronies, and have turned the USA into a laughing stock.

Is Obama the seconding coming? Hell no! Does he represent a huge change? Yes. Do I agree with all his positions? No. But I do agree with his more than I agree with McCain's. If McCain was still a so called "Maverick," I might consider him, but he isn't. He has "towed the company line."

I am not really happy about Obama's change of heart on the whole FISA thing, but he is trying to find some middle ground. Personally, I wish the Democrats would throw the book at the Republican administration....But that is just going to prolong the pain that we have already experienced.

Someone tell me this...
How are we going to pay this astronomical debt that we have accrued? Tax cuts? Cutting services? We are going to be paying for this administration's debacle for a long, long time. Taxes. And when you get hit with them, don't blame the Democrats. George W. Bush and company did it.

I just want someone to talk about something that's relevant. This conversation makes no sense.

Posted by: biggirl | June 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama should know that delivering a speech using a tele-prompter is so 1990's. You have the brains, so speak without using one.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Standing in front of a row of US flags doesn't make you a patriot, Obama. It's your actions, convictions, unfailing belief in the American ideals and, most of all, keep your promises to the American people.

Posted by: Eric | June 30, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

"Obama strikes me as a hologram: What you want to see in him is what you find. It's like looking into an abyss, and not seeing anything but darkness."

Posted by: Sarah | June 30, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Neville Chamberlain was a patriot too. But he chose the wrong course of action. The course he chose lead to tens of millions dying.
Today we face a similar fate if we allow the terrorist to win.

I will leave you with this silly example.

Obama and his supporters want you to take off your shoes every time you get on a plane.

McCain and his supporters want you to put them back on, and keep them on.

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com

Posted by: VJ Machiavelli | June 30, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Earl: Based on your comments, you're definitely not 'in the middle - you're on the extreme right.

Claw Hammer obviously failed 4th grade science. LOL

Posted by: MyVoteDoesNotCountInAlabama | June 30, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Who would any self-respecting terrorist, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Fidel and his bro, Hugo or enemy of the United States or lib dem Socialist vote for...YES...OBAMA is their man!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

obama '08

It looks like the dems picked another unelectable loser this year.It almost seems as if this has been planned out.

Posted by: JDM | June 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

After Obama has dispatched the Clintons and Americans should never again question his Patriotism.

Obama did what McCain would not have, and America will be a better place because of it.

We are spared of the Clinton family drama. We are spared of partisan politics. We are free.

Here's a video showcases the effectiveness of the money the Clinton's put around in Harlem. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

Posted by: JR, Boston | June 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:40 PM
I do not believe that Obama's views are any more than just moderate.

Unfortunately, this is not borne out by his "most liberal" voting record as ranked by numerous left-leaning organizations who currently support him.

McCain does need the support of the right, who have been even less than lukewarm to him because of his history of co-sponsoring legislation with a number of Democrats.

McCain-Feingold...McCain-Kennedy and McCain-Leiberman sponsored legislation on the books still irks them, but Obama is so far left, McCain to them looks like Reagan in comparison.

Posted by: Moderation in all things | June 30, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

SHOCKING!!! Mrs. Obama divulges children's recipes for Sashakisha and Maleawan!!!

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/resources/2008/06/AJ4.jpg

Posted by: PeaPod | June 30, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

"When zealots go extreme right or left, they are usually meet and join in facist/socialist territory."

Posted by: Moderation in all things | June 30, 2008 9:21 PM

I tend to agree with you in that I have said this at times. I do not believe that Obama's views are any more than just moderate. McCain is trying to be moderate while pandering to the extreme right wing. However, he fell off his straight-talk express and can't get back on again. Even Tony Blair would agree that aligning one's politics with those of Bush was a mistake.

Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

For 20 years Obama belonged to a church which denigrated the white man, denigrated the Jew, denigrated the Christian and denigrated the USA and now Jonathan Weisman attempts to portray this as an issue of patriotism. Obama is a little man in short pants who wouldn't understand patriotism if it sat on his face.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:31 PM
Right or wrong, Truman was a Commander-in-Chief. He knew how to make the tough decisions.

If the Democrats would ever nominate a candidate like Harry Truman again, they would get my vote.

As long as they stay hard left, they will not get the "Typical" middle of the road American votes, hearts or minds.


Posted by: Nobama Noway Nohow | June 30, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

f.u. b. is the best you could assemble? Sheesh, you are a fricken Super Hero, complete with spandex thong and matching cape, accentuating your pregnancy. Ohh, you're a dude. Sorry, maybe you should check for worm's because what ever crawled up your discharge shoot lives on in your belly region. Might explain the bile problem. Now where was I, oh yea, SuperHero, going to save America and the world from a half white guy because, well, uhhh, he want's to put my mom (who is upstairs) in a burka.

I salute you, savior of the white race. I appreciate your sacrifice.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 30, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm listening to the talking heads on MSNBC now. They do not get it. Gen. Clark never dissed McCain. McCain's particular military service is not a qualification for him being President. If it is, then any military guy who was flying a plane and was shot down has a leg up on qualifications for being President.

May I ask if flying a plane and being shot down are qualifications for President? I flew military planes during the same time period. I was fortunate not to have been shot down. The U.S. Constitution does not say so. If it does, please find it.

People may point to a past biography to support a run for the President. However, there are very few qualifications written into the U.S. Constitution. The founders of our country were not fools. Otherwise, we would have one military leader after another as President. We are close to a military state now. The President keeps saying that he will do what the generals want in Iraq. Sounds like a real Commander-in-Chief, doesn't it. Right or wrong, Truman was a Commander-in-Chief. He knew how to make the tough decisions.

Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain '08

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Do not believe anything pubic hair on my coke can. He pretends to be me but obviously, I am me. And I'm packing up my R.V. for some white folk sightseeing. Also, he obviously meant "nothing but NET" but I'm told he like merlot with his tofu curd beet burger. Get a life creep, and quit imposturating me or you're REALLY going to make me mad. And when I get mad... watch out!

Posted by: Hon. Clarence Thomas | June 30, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

pubichaironmycokecan f. u b.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

SHOCKING!!! New photo uncovered of Mrs. Obama!!!

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/resources/2008/06/AJ2.jpeg

Posted by: PeaPod | June 30, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"Don't blame me, I voted for Bush"

Posted by: Typical Republican | June 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:00 PM

1. Please propose how you plan to pay off the national debt, a whopping 8 trillion of it run-up by Republican presidents since 1980. Remember when Ronald Reagan called the debt assinine when he then signed the bill to raise the debt limit to one million dollars.

Grow the ecomony, do not overtax those who produce the wealth of America. Promote productivity, innovation and incentivize production of new energy sources. Think outside the box and allow American ingenuity solve our current energy crisis. More taxes willconly curtail innovation, exploration and development and prolong our pain.

2. I do not know about you, but did you know that my tax bill suffered the largest increase ever after the passage of the "tax neutral" 1986 tax bill? Another case where middle-class America saw its taxes being redistributed to the wealthiest top 5% of the American population. Nothing changes with the Repubican crew who always screams out tax and spend against Democrats. The Republicans borrow and spin.

No one predicted 9/11 or our nation's necessary response. Whether you agree or not with the national defense expenditures which both parties approved, our sons and daughters who were sent into harm's way deserve our support at ANY cost. Some things are priceless. They are to me.

3. You obviously haven't heard Obama to tell his audiences that to move forward, it must be the people working with their elected government, that government cannot do everything. Have you heard this?

He says a lot of things to different audiences. I do not believe the rhetoric of a half-term senator is Gospel. His voting record, such as it is, in the senate tell a totally different tale.

4. I say after trying the extreme right agenda for 8 years, isn't it a good time for the other side to have a turn on the other side of the seesaw to balance things out? Stop crying wolf. It is time that balance be brought back to the Federal government. The Republicans, the party that detests government and pretty near ruined it, should kindly bow out so that some progressive Democrats can get this country moving again.

I believe candidates should be voted on individually, just as Obama is no Kennedy, McCain is no Bush. McCain has a record of being an American first above any party. He has proved this with a long record of bi-partisanship that few can match.

5. Is it possible that there is no such thing as being too far right?

When zealots go extreme right or left, they are usually meet and join in facist/socialist territory.

Posted by: Moderation in all things | June 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

as per usual... the man hits it out the ballpark, nothing but rim, ran it back from the back of the end zone. You sick pathetic puppies need to reset your cracker meter's because with the Olympics coming up, everyone is going to be cheering for the U.S.A. and you're going to be in front of that big screen blithering about muslem DNA sequencing. Think of the CHILDREN.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 30, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

No candidate in history must of had to jump through so many hoops as this guy Obama.

Posted by: old white vet | June 30, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Wesley Clark's interview, he is totally correct. John McCain responded without total knowledge of the entire interview. If McCain can jump on this interview this way, it just shows that he is following in the Bush tradition of jump before looking closely at the facts. Seems like the biggest jump was the jump to go to war in Iraq. Look where it got us: (1)over 4000 troops dead, (2) untold numbers of American civilians dead, (3) over 500 billion dollars in borrowed war debt marching to 3 trillion by the time all equipment is replaced, and (4) the bottom of the credibility and influence barrel in the world, we have lost our moral standing in the world.

Seems like John and his minions whine and whine. He must be behind in the polls. Test a man's character by how he responds when he is behind. This may possibly be the reason why Barack pulled ahead in the Democratic primary.

By the way, they should know what whining is because they accuse others of the same thing.

Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

white folks is racist!!! they have ruined this country but that alright cause we are taking over in noverember. just like the inventer of the peanut said, george washington carver, the black man can't be free until he gets inside the white house.

Posted by: Lakisha | June 30, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

dang, something sure stirred the repug vermin this fine evening... in a circle, beating their meat like Iraqi prisoners. Yawn, guess I should go read the article. Back in a flash, you boy's go ahead and get those panties down and we'll get you back to that "cheerleader" pyrimid thingee we tried last time. What, yes, you can start without me.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 30, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama is pissed off that people are talkin' trash about him and he's not gonna' have it! Since we just had the speech today, soon his supporters will come out to scream and back him up then we'll have another rally so he can prove to everyone just how popular he really is. Seems to me that McCain and Hillary, whether you agreed with them or not, believed they were running for an important job in the country. Obama is for himself and this is his country, not anyone else's. Especially if you don't agree with him.

Posted by: Lynn E | June 30, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Proofreading is great until you still miss something.

My question one in the previous post should have read that President Reagan called the raising of the debt to one trillion (a "t") dollars "assinine."

Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

This conversation sure makes this old saw true. The empty drum booms the loudest.

Posted by: Old Coot | June 30, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: newsendorser | June 30, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

what, it's totally humane I'm told. Plus the cows and pigs will be free to roam and forage. Like I say, nothing but win.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 30, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

John McCain says that Gen. Clark's minimizing of his executive experience is "unnecessary."

He is absolutely right.

Posted by: FirstMouse | June 30, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"Many people have trouble with Obama and it has nothing to do with his patriotism, race or and other "issues" he has thrown out to muddy the water.

"It has more to do with higher taxes, his leftist politics and an Obama government controlling everything.

"He is too far left of mainstream America.

Posted by: Moderation in all things | June 30, 2008 8:40 PM


Has it occurred to anyone yet that no elected President will probably ever be able to have as much control over government as the Bush administration. He has done such a wonderful job that his approval rating is in the tank and has been for 3 years. Yes, Americans have decided that the fascist hold on government may not be such a good idea afterall. They tried to throw off the shackles in 2006. Fortunately for Bush and company, Americans do not hang leaders like this. We try to correct our mistakes at the next election, unless like in 2004 another election is stolen.

I have a few questions to ask my learned poster:

1. Please propose how you plan to pay off the national debt, a whopping 8 trillion of it run-up by Republican presidents since 1980. Remember when Ronald Reagan called the debt assinine when he then signed the bill to raise the debt limit to one million dollars.

2. I do not know about you, but did you know that my tax bill suffered the largest increase ever after the passage of the "tax neutral" 1986 tax bill? Another case where middle-class America saw its taxes being redistributed to the wealthiest top 5% of the American population. Nothing changes with the Repubican crew who always screams out tax and spend against Democrats. The Republicans borrow and spin.

3. You obviously haven't heard Obama to tell his audiences that to move forward, it must be the people working with their elected government, that government cannot do everything. Have you heard this?

4. I say after trying the extreme right agenda for 8 years, isn't it a good time for the other side to have a turn on the other side of the seesaw to balance things out? Stop crying wolf. It is time that balance be brought back to the Federal government. The Republicans, the party that detests government and pretty near ruined it, should kindly bow out so that some progressive Democrats can get this country moving again.

5. Is it possible that there is no such thing as being too far right?

Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

For Obama to send a clown like Wesley Clark out to deride McCain's war record, then to have Obama feign surprise the next day shows what a lowlife phony and weasel this cretin Obama is. Somebody step on this purple lipped roach.

Posted by: muskrat | June 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

just a reminder, this article is a big monkey trap for snaring IP addresses of racist repugs. Indeed, when we take over, phase I of Operation... Soylent Green, wherein we replace your favorite meat patty with a new and improved meat patty.

What Pork Filled Democrats? Ahhhh Tasty!

Posted by: Charleton Heston is remembered here | June 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

just a reminder, this article is a big monkey trap for snaring IP addresses of racist repugs. Indeed, when we take over, phase I of Operation... Soylent Green, wherein we replace your favorite meat patty with a new and improved meat patty. By the time you guys notice you're not eating cows or pigs we will have switched you to tofu burgers. Everybody will lose weight and no one will miss the repugs. Win--win. Obviously, some of you checker players will have some 'splaining to do, but these posts should do nicely as obviously dna will be difficult. Anyway, I'm told you won't feel a thing, we shall use existing meat patty production infrastructure, that is, electrocuted up the butt, sliced and quartered before you hit the sluice grate.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | June 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Wes Clark is either incompetent......YES!

Posted by: Wes the Republican before he was a Dem | June 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Wes Clark is either incompetent or, far far worse is not.

Posted by: Kent | June 30, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse


Obama has no credentials

He thinks he's going to come out and tell us what is what?

He thinks he's going to come out and tell us what to think?

He thinks he's going to come out and inspire ADULTS?


What a freaking JOKE.

He has no credentials to tell me anything.


Like a baby child on a playground. ALL WE HEAR ARE EXCUSES


BONEHEADED
CARELESS


MUCH MORE THAN THAT

WE SEE YOU

WE ARE NOT STUPID BITTER WHITE FOLK

WE SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU MR. OBAMA

IT AIN'T GONNA "CHANGE"


WE AREN'T 17 YEAR OLDS

HOLLER INTO THE MIKE ALL YOU WANT

RANT RAVE AND PREACH

NO "BELIVEING" IN YOU

YOU ARE A DONE NOTHING

CAN'T FOOL US

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

"BUSH 2012"

First, not possible under the constitution you appear to know so well.


Maybe he was referring to Jeb or the young nice looking half-Hispanic Bush Grandson we all saw at the convention.

Posted by: Maria | June 30, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Now add to that Obama's lack of spine to allow to muslim women on stage with him. Ya, way to be a tad bit prejudiced there. Actually not too bad for a guy who swears he has been on the short end of the stick in his life.

Posted by: Zendrell | June 30, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Who is Obama? I am still troubled by the fact that he sat listening to a hard-core racist for TWENTY years and only disowned him when he felt the political pressure. I am not crazy about McCain but he is no George Bush. He is a genuine American hero and whoever thinks otherwise hasn't done their homework.

Bottom line for me is who will fix the economy. I hate to say it but that is my number one priority. No matter how noble our intentions, if we don't have our financial act together we won't be able to help anyone. Neither guy impresses me yet.

Posted by: jw | June 30, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Fat Pigs FOR Obamoo!!

Michael Moore for Secretary of Health hehe...

Posted by: Michael_Moore | June 30, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

obooma = racist who dupes the libs

mccain = old and no idea which party he's in some days

hillary = smart, sexy, only one qualified.

and you all know it

Posted by: Trisha36DD | June 30, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

"BUSH 2012"

First, not possible under the constitution you appear to know so well.

Second... my god.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE DEMOCRAT LOSER NOMINEE WITH THE MOST EXCUSE SPEECHES IN HISTORY

HAHAHAHAA


MR. SUPER EXCUSE

WHO GIVES HIM THE AIR TIME ANYWAY?

HE'S A LOSER

AN EEEEEKER


A DEMOCRATIC WHITE BOYS CLUB PUPPET


ALL THE PUPPETEERS ARE HIDING - HOPING YOU DIDN'T NOTICE THEIR SUPER TUESDAY AMBUSH

HOW THEY RAPED AND BATTERED THEIR OWN BEST CANDIDATE

FOR A PUPPET


POWER GRUBBERS

LEAHY, DASHCLE, KERRY, DODD, KENNEDY, ROCKAFELLER, WANNABE RICHARDSON, BULLFROG BRADLEY


OBAMA IS A DAVID AXELROD PRODUCTION

MARKETING MIRACLE

WHITE HAIRED TROLLS PUPPET


NOVEMBER = NOBAMA

THEY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE

NANCY DELAY PELOSI, TOO. BACK ROOM BOYS PLUS PELOSI.


NOTHING NEUTRAL ABOUT HER


Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Pro Abortion = Obama (cus thats in the constitution right???)

ANTI GUn = Obama (cus Right to Bear Arms isnt in the constitution) hmmm...

typical liberal stoopidity double talk

BUSH 2012

Posted by: KenMain | June 30, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama and McCain stand against the American People on the issue of giving amnesty to illegal aliens. When those who were elected by us to vote our will use the power of our vote against us repeatedly on an issue We are loud and clear about and choose to ignore the laws of our nation, that spells trouble for us and our country. And if allowed to stay in ANY position of power or elevated to a higher position of power where they can continue to make laws that are not in our best interests, they pose a serious threat to our freedoms, economy and well being as a People.

These two representatives are not now doing their job of representing the will of the American People and will continue to hurt us in the future.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

"Many people have trouble with Obama and it has nothing to do with his patriotism, race or and other "issues" he has thrown out to muddy the water.

It has more to do with higher taxes, his leftist politics and an Obama government controlling everything.

He is too far left of mainstream America."
Posted by Moderation


That's fine. That's a valid opinion because he DOES want to raise taxes. I just have a problem with the people here who would rather spread lies about Obama than give valid opinions.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

WOO ANOTHER LESBIAN FOR OBAMA!!!

Posted by: kareninstlouise | June 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

What good is it to be so rich and spoiled when our water supply is full of turds and broken syringes and needles from Hospitals bandages, gauzes, and hyperly virulent chemicals and germs used for possible germ--warfare?
Our air is full of toxic waste odors, gasses, and our flourescent colored oceans at night. Our once beautiful beaches near nuke plants are full of toxic wastes and dead fishes and beached whales and seals and dolphins crowding our beaches.
Nuclear wastes being buried in inhabited desert regions, and the acid rains in Canada and the Upper Northern state borders and regions. I think that I am an ecoist.
Vote for Nader folks. He is not a richy rich who has his gravy train tickets from indeterminately abusive lobbyists. Global warming is a piker compared to all the crap and garbage which we ingest that goes into our sicker than normal health quality. We need to fix the ecosystems and global warming and stop pretending, you republicans and democrats, who want people to be rich so that we can be taxed to support dangerous and idiotic reprobate projects that took the places of real jobs and healthy invironments.

Posted by: brianatroi | June 30, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I have the facts Sammy.
Don't you worry about my facts.
McCain said it and McCain bombed.

Posted by: fired Up | June 30, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

i voted for hillary at least she wasnt racist.

1 of my white friends is voting for obama, but she has white guilt from southern baptist slave owners.

Posted by: gene22 | June 30, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA CALLS HIS AUDACIOUS REFUSAL TO PLEDGE THE FLAG "CARELESSNESS"

HE THINKS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH MINIMIZING HIS AUDACITY


LIKE HE TRIED TO MINIMIZE HIS "BONEHEADED" PURCHASE OF A HOUSE WITH CORRUPT CONVICTED POLITICAL CRIMINIAL TONY REZKO IN CHICAGO


OBAMA LIKES TO 'MINIMIZE' ALL HIS TROUBLES


BUT WE DON'T BUY IT


SMALL TOWN BITTER WHITE FOLK KNOW YOU WERE LISTENING IN THAT CHURCH

SMALL TOWN BITTER WHITE FOLK KNOW YOU HAD THAT WINK-WINK LIED ABOUT IT MEETING WITH CANADA

SMALL TOWN BITTER WHITE FOLK KNOW YOU HAVEN'T HAD ONE MEETING ON AFGHANISTAN IN A YEAR AND A HALF WHILE YOU WERE "TOO BUSY" AND 150 AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN HAVE DIED WHILE YOU TOOK CARE OF YOUR OWN LIFE


SMALL TOWN BITTER WHITE FOLK KNOW YOU HAVE A COCKTAIL NAPKIN RESUME AND ONLY EEEEKED THIS NOMINATION BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT AT ALL DIFFERENT

SMALL TOWN BITTER WHITE FOLK KNOW YOU LIE AND WILL SAY ANYTHING TO ANYONE ANYWHERE DEPENDING ON WHAT MR. AXELROD TELLS YOU TO


SMALL TOWN BITTER WHITE FOLK KNOW YOU THINK THEY'RE STUPID GUN CLINGING FOOLS WHO DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR YOU

YOU'RE RIGHT

WE AREN'T GOING T VOTE FOR YOU


YOU'RE A TWO YEAR FRESHMAN DONE NOTHING DOLITTLE SENATOR FROM AN EASY WIN IN EASY STREET CHICAGO ON YOUR REZKO QUARTER MILLION IN SEVEN YEARS

YOU CAN FOOL THE KIDS

BUT NOT THE ADULTS


TAKE YOUR COCKTAIL NAPKIN RESUME AND GO BACK... TO CHICAGO


Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

pleaze vote for oboma, i dont want to have to work...
k thankx

Posted by: susi | June 30, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Those distorting Obama's stance regarding the lapel pin need to get a life. Obama has given a very clear explanation for his decisions regarding the wearing of the flag lapel pin. The idiots that continue to make this a controversy are untruthful and spreading malicious gossip. Surely, there are better things to be discussing than these things. You would think that we are supposed to worship at the altar of flag lapel pins. I have never worn a flag lapel pin much less any other pins, but I did serve my country during the Vietnam era, an era when some of these new superpatriots threw tomatoes at me. Get a life!

Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Many people have trouble with Obama and it has nothing to do with his patriotism, race or and other "issues" he has thrown out to muddy the water.

It has more to do with higher taxes, his leftist politics and an Obama government controlling everything.

He is too far left of mainstream America.

Posted by: Moderation in all things | June 30, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Fired up... get some facts for your opinions.
There are plenty of good ones.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

It's not the heat but the stupidity it seems this summer. I never understood why so many people voted in Bush and criminals twice. I do hear their voices now on this blog.
You know who you are; the ones who will deny till you die the pure greatness of Barack Obama.
If McCain never loved his country until after he was captured as he himself has stated numerous times, I ask here now- What then motivated this man to bomb innocent women and children. Perhaps he was just a thrill seeker.

Posted by: Fired up | June 30, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"We cant use 20% of the worlds energy with only 3% of population..."

Part of the reason we use so much energy is we are the world's biggest economy. We take in raw materials and put out finished products like medicine, food, appliances, computers and electronics, automobiles, plastics, ships, planes, etc., that the rest of the world buys from us, or that we give away. All this takes alot of energy, but much of the rest of the world benefits from the goods and services we provide.

Posted by: monitor1 | June 30, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow - well, I give the folks credit for trying to read the Washington Post on-line, but these comments are really distressing. The support of Obama by the better educated of this nation doesn't explain the terrible lack of decency laid out here. Could it be that Obama supporters also tended to listen to their mothers and pastors? That seems unlikely, and yet these posts, with all their anger and name calling should make anyone ashamed to have behaved that way.

Posted by: tjp | June 30, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

"CATHOLICS ARE NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA IN NOVEMBER"

False. My mother and most of my extended family of Catholics will be. My father is Lutheran. He will be.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Under the Constitution of the United States of America, I question the patriotism of those controlling the Executive Branch of the Federal Government. It seems as if they have walked all over the Constitution.

Having said this, I am very sad now. Monticello, the home of our third President Thomas Jefferson is the site of President Bush's visit on July 4 for the purpose of naturalizing some new American citizens. For the life of me, I cannot understand how this particular President has chosen the home of the author of the Declaration of Independence and the founder of the Democratic Party to stage this event. It just goes to further illustrate the dillusions of grandeur as this President tries very hard to align himself with the leaders during WWII and other great Americans. As an alumnus of The University, I pray that Mr. Jefferson remains at rest in his grave nearby.

I have my own definitions of patriotism that include bringing honor to my God and my country, speaking honestly, respecting the constitutional rights of all, remembering that my rights are not limitless, and serving my country to the best of my ability. Many of the flag-waving, lapel-pin wearing, and flag-wearing crowd have no clue what true patriotism is.

Posted by: Earl C | June 30, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

The desperate Republican party is going to have a hard time cheating us out of another election. They must be surprised to find a candidate who is as good at telling the truth as they are at distorting it.

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | June 30, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

The Republican definition of patriotism is to go along with whatever the president tells you -- as long as he's a Republican president. If the president is a Democrat, then a Republican considers it his patriotic duty to oppose and sabotage the president at every turn. You see, Republicans have defined patriotism to mean Republicanism. In other words, they have placed the party's interests above the nation's.

Posted by: Rich Hudson | June 30, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

This is rich.....

Senator Obama lectures us on patiotism!

Now sporting the flag lapel pin he previously refused to wear.

What a joke he is.....He must think the voters are as stupid as the press.

Posted by: That flag pin dosen't fly | June 30, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

His patriotism is open to question just like everything else about him. There's nothing I've seen that would convince me he's a patriot. Patriotism is and exhibited character and life trait and it's not just something you can declare without facts or proof. Simply saying it doesn't make it so and running for a political office in this country certainly doesn't validate one's patriotism.

Posted by: rplat | June 30, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS A WHIMP.

MCCAIN IS A WAR HERO.

OBAMA IS TOO CHICKEN MEET PATREUS IN IRAQ.

MAYBE OBAMA CAN DO SOME FUND RAISING IN IRAQ.

OBAMA IS A HYPOCRIT. HE PAYS WESLEY CLARK TO INSULT MCCAINS WAR RECORD. THEN MAKES A SPEECH SAYING THAT NOBODY SHOULD CRITICIZE MCCAIN'S WAR RECORD.

OBAMA IS A FLIP FLOPPER


BOTTOM LINE:

OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN THE BAG.

WOMEN ARE NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA.

CATHOLICS ARE NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA IN NOVEMBER.

WHITES ARE NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA.

OLDER VOTERS ARE NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA.

CLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA.

MILITARY ARE NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA IN NOVEMBER.

OBAMA INSULTS BILL CLINTON AND NOW HE HAS TO CAMPAIGN FOR OBAMA IN THE SOUTH.

THE CLINTONS ARE THE FIRST AMERICAN WHITE SLAVES THAT OBAMA GETS TO WORK FOR HIM. ENDENTURED SLAVERY STILL LIVES.

Posted by: GRACE | June 30, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

A word to the wise: Anything written in all-caps is probably not worth reading.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is just a tired old man with no way to go against Obama except to go on the attack but it dident work for Hillary and it wont work for Mccain either.

Posted by: sharon | June 30, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I do not agree with his rejection of public financing. However, in a situation where two extremes are possible (either Obama wants simply more money or he wants a grassroots campaign) it is wise to give each extreme equal attention. It may be a hypocritical incident to onlookers, but do we know his real intention outside of what he has said?

Posted by: SamI ApparentlyAm | June 30, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

If there is any fear among the clear thinking its your Socialist's ideas and what they would do to intentionally weaken this country. That is something to truly fear.

Posted by:
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anon troll, do you even know what the hell you are talking about? You know what is so great about this board? We kmow who the 28% dumba$$ Bush vote came from...

Posted by: '08 | June 30, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is just a tired old man with no way to go against Obama except to go on the attack but it dident work for Hillary and it wont work for Mccain either.

Posted by: sharon | June 30, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

So, yes, they hate the American freedom-based system, yet they claim to be great patriots. Sorry, they are lying. If you believe them, you're a fool.

Posted by: JP Vanderbilt
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isn't there a bridge for you to huddle under, troll? I think the bigger fools would have to be the two people who thought that YOU would be a good idea.

Posted by: '08 | June 30, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Did John McCain vote for FISA?

Sen. John McCain supports warrantless spying and voted in favor of granting telecoms immunity in February. He loves telecoms -- he keeps hiring their lobbyists on his staff.

McCain Missed Every Major Environmental Vote

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Revealed_McCain_has_missed_every_environmental_0512.html

"McCain was the only member of Congress to skip every single crucial environmental vote scored by the organization, posting a score lower than Members of Congress who were out for much of the year due to serious illnesses-and even lower than some who died during the term," a release from the Sierra Club noted in February.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/06/25/mccain_senate/index.html

Wednesday, June 25, 2008 16:16 EDT
McCain has missed the most votes of any senator

How often has John McCain been away from the Senate? Well, let's put it this way: At this point, he has missed more votes than even South Dakota Democrat Tim Johnson, who couldn't work for almost a year after suffering a brain hemorrhage in late 2006.

Posted by: Jerry | June 30, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA AND OIL PUMPING NATIONS SIGN DICK CHENEY'S ENERGY BILL.

OBAMA AND OIL PUMPING NATIONS WANT SHARIA LAW OR MUSLIM LAW LIKE HEAD SCARFS FOR AMERICAN FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.

OBAMA AND OIL PUMPING NATIONS WANT TO PURCHASE ALL OF AMERICA'S STARTEGIC TRANSPORTAION RAILROADS LIKE CSX.

OBAMA AND OIL PUMPING NATIONS WILL SELL ALL OF AMERICA'S NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES.

OBAMA AND OIL PUMPING NATIONS WILL HAVE NEVER SUPPORTED AMERICAN TROOPS.

OBAMA AND THE OIL PUMPING NATIONS DO NOT WANT SOMEONE WITH WAR EXPERIENCE RUNNING THE COUNTRY.

OBAMA AND THE OIL PUMPING NATIONS WANT TO SEE THE TOTAL DECLINE OF AMERICA.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Let me axe you a question: Which of the 57 states will Barack Hussein Obama visit tomorrow?

"I told you not to be stupid, you moron."
-Benjamin Stern

Posted by: Ellis | June 30, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Soaring words, gutter politics! Chicago pols rock. An empty compliant suit will be in the White house for the Current congress to run willy nilly over all of us. Hold on to your pocket books.

Nice attack on McCain from Gen. Clark, real classy. In 2004 John Kerry thought Vietnam was going to be a good issue. Democrats were all for Vietnam service. Now it means nothing. Got it. Then Obama gets to denounce it, and people buy it. Hilarious!

Public financing used to be so important until Obama said no, now democrats are a horse of a different color. The spin has been that not taking public financing is actual reforming public financing. What a riot!

Posted by: thelaw | June 30, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I am 17 and that was probably the first book I read (I am pretty sure it was).

I am glad there are some people out there that understand Democracy only functions as intended with civil, knowledgeable, and flexible participants.

Posted by: Sam I apparently Am | June 30, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

So,how about WAPO and the msm look into
Retired US Army General Wesley Clark's own
military record,if Obama and his surrogates
want attack John McCain's military record?
And can we also see Commander in Chief Wannabe Barack Hussein Obama's Military
Service Record as well? Yes I realize that
phony empty suit cocaine addict lying loser
Barack Hussein Obama never served a day in
any of our armed forces,but that won't keep
that lying Obama from coming up with one
for us will it now?

And just for Obama's information hiding
behind a phony presidential Seal Podium,
and surrounding yourself with American Flags and giving a pretty speech,is not
military service,and not proof of your
patriotism Barack Hussein Obama either.

So get real Obama and honestly explain why
you think your too good Obama to have ever
served in our US Military now then? NOBAMA!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | June 30, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse


Here's a little reality -- Obama and his wife hate the foundation of America - the principles of freedom, capitalism and self-reliance. This is why they want America to leave it's past and become a European-socialist country, like France, Germany, Britain, etc.

So, yes, they hate the American freedom-based system, yet they claim to be great patriots. Sorry, they are lying. If you believe them, you're a fool.

Posted by: JP Vanderbilt | June 30, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama, the candidate who was supposed to bring us all together is instead tearing us apart.

He is a phony "Messiah" that everyone sees through. His rhetoric has never matched his deeds or actions.

Posted by: Divider not Uniter | June 30, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

"But on Tuesday, Webb and other Democrats cried foul after GOP leaders forced a vote on the McCain bill in order to protect him from voting on Webb's bill."

"Ok you win on him submitting a bill, I concede. That was not on VoteSmart. The quote above shows considerable lameness. I will not lie, I am still suspicious because it's not on VoteSmart."

Posted by: Sam I Apparently Am | June 30, 2008 7:45 PM

Sam You Apparently Are, ;)

I don't know people's ages on these threads, so I hope you got the Dr. Seuss literary reference from "Green Eggs and Ham" -- "I do not like them Sam I Am, I do not like green eggs and ham."

I like your new screen name -- "Sam I Apparently Am". And glad we could have a civil, facts based discussion on this issue. Carry on Sam I Apparently Am.

Posted by: monitor1 | June 30, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I can see Obama's cabinet now.Bill Cosby,secretary of state,Al Sharpton, Secretary of the treasury and Jesse Jackson,head of homeland security!LOL!!!

Posted by: JDM | June 30, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Savings and loan scandal. That's all I have to say to that.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Just more of Obama's dishonesty and politically expedient speeches. A month ago he was defending why he did not wear a flag lapel pin, saying it was false patriotism. "Carelessness?" No, dishonesty with the American people! And, another example of his playing the role of the poor little kid that everyone is picking on.

Posted by: NoObama | June 30, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

After waiting all afternoon (we get so impatient nowadays!) I finally found the full video on Youtube. While soundbites and full transcripts have their place, it helps me to see the entire speech, whoever the speaker is. Here is the link, if it is okay to share here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9n2-zEbHJo

As always with any speech, it is the audience reaction that is most moving. The standing ovation and response to Obama's words about veterans and John McCain's service was worth a thousand words. A very fitting start to the week of the Fourth of July.

Obama 08 and happy Fourth to all.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | June 30, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Notice that the Obamobots cannot stand it when the people start standing up and confronting them on the issues.

They resort to expletive laden slurs and trite slogans.

They cannot list any legislation of consequence their candidate has authored either in Illinois or his brief tenure in the Senate.

His poor judgement in choosing racists-Wright, terrorists-Ayers and corrupt business associates/campaign fund raisers-Rezko as his mentors and associates is proof he is not fit for any public service, much less President of the United States of America.

Posted by: Hillary '08 | June 30, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Who would / has Hamas, Al Qaeda, Iran, Hugo, Castro, Euro Socialists, America's enemies, street punks and gang members, Black Liberation Activists, Communists, Islamic Jihadists, Farrakhan, endorse?

Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"Sadly, from the looks of some of these comments, fear and ignorance work for some voters."

Sadly you make it up as you go along.

If there is any fear among the clear thinking its your Socialist's ideas and what they would do to intentionally weaken this country. That is something to truly fear.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"But on Tuesday, Webb and other Democrats cried foul after GOP leaders forced a vote on the McCain bill in order to protect him from voting on Webb's bill."

Ok you win on him submitting a bill, I concede. That was not on VoteSmart. The quote above shows considerable lameness. I will not lie, I am still suspicious because it's not on VoteSmart.

Posted by: Sam I Apparently Am | June 30, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Uhh, We cant use 20% of the worlds energy with only 3% of population...uhhhh, er we can't set our thermostats at 72 degrees...and uhhhh umm we can't eat what we want and uhh umm expect the rest of the world to say that's ok. We can't do that. Uhhhhh

What? What did he say? Who is this Euro Socialist freak?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have to run on fear and ignorance. It's all they have left.

Sadly, from the looks of some of these comments, fear and ignorance work for some voters.

Posted by: Will | June 30, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"i'm a nam vet I just hurt when i think of all the men who gave their life so people could live a free life any religion and political freedom and I see such ignorance being written here."

Of course patriotism includes the defense of one's country, but does that mean that those who did not serve in the armed forces have nothing to offer the America we love? Of course not.
A recent Time magazine article by Greg Mitchell describes the pervasive contrasting liberal and conservative philosophies on patriotism. Conservative love of America is particular--it is for THIS country but it can be too exclusionary about which people are included as true Americans. Liberal love for America expresses a desire to make this country better than it is and to live up to its founding ideals, but in its extreme can lose sight of what unites us.

I don't believe either political side is MORE patriotic.

Soldiers of all countries sacrafice more than their fellow citizens, and we should all be thankful for these sacrafices. At the same time, as this Vietnam veteran says, these sacrafices are for American ideals such as freedom of religion and political speech. In any oppressive country nobody will object to political speech that shows how much you love your country, or to being openly Muslim if that country is Islamic.

The American ideal is precisely the protection of speech that is critical of America--or other political speech which we don't like to hear, and it is the toleration of non-Christians in this mostly Christian nation.

Posted by: politicalspeech | June 30, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Judging from the hostility of many of these postings and others I've read and viscious anti McCain attacks from Obama supporters and attacks by Obama's friends, pastors, etc. on the U.S., Republicans, Christians, white people, etc., it seems that Obama, the candidate who was supposed to bring us all together is instead tearing us apart.

Posted by: monitor1 | June 30, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"You sound like a bleeding heart liberal who would sell your freedoms and liberty for a load of oats."

Remind me -- which party is leading the charge to do away with the Fourth Amendment so the government can spy on our phone calls at will?

And remind me -- which party is leading the charge to scrap habeus corpus?

Oh, yeah, the Republicans. You all aren't selling your freedoms, you're abandoning them because you're so afraid of the scary boogeymen.

Posted by: Brian | June 30, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Truth Teller can't even spell Muslim! Retard who claims to know so much. Offensive and ignorant...most likely voted for Bush! Perhaps you would be happier if everyone in America was exactly like you. SAD! Obama will have a land slide victory.

Posted by: BHO | June 30, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to see conservatives here demonstrating their belief that the best way to show you love America is to show how many different kinds of Americans you hate.

Posted by: TR | June 30, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monitor1 | June 30, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse


Obama hits back

If that were Hillary they would have said - claws.

Isn't the press something? No. Not much.


HOW ABOUT: OBAMA MAKES ANOTHER EXCUSE SPEECH

HOW ABOUT: OBAMA REFUSED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AGAIN


DO WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO TAKES NO RESPONSIBILITY AND HASN'T SINCE DAY ONE ??


NOPE


COCKTAIL NAPKIN RESUME

MILES OF EXCUSES


NO JOB

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less if this fraud is patriotic. What I DO care about is that he is a radical, far left, tax and spend nannystate Marxist, open border inexperienced nothing who would turn the U.S. into Northern Mexico.

Posted by: muskrat | June 30, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The True Character of John McCain:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1214492529435

Posted by: monitor1 | June 30, 2008 7:25 PM


That is a completely bias piece of reporting. So many red-flag opinion words... how can you even stand to reference that?

Posted by: Sam H | June 30, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

You all should be ashamed about this debate - there are so many more important things in the world.
Posted by: sheep herder | June 30, 2008 7:30 PM

You sound like a bleeding heart liberal who would sell your freedoms and liberty for a load of oats.

Their are still a few people who will NOT be herded sheep.

Posted by: RAM | June 30, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"If a candidate -- in the case Obama-- has to stand up and give a speech telling us is he is a patriot, then I doubt highly he is a patriot."

So he's not a patriot if he says nothing, and he's not a patriot if he says something.

You know what causes me to lose faith in this country? That a moron like you is allowed to vote.

Posted by: Jackson | June 30, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"If a candidate -- in the case Obama-- has to stand up and give a speech telling us is he is a patriot, then I doubt highly he is a patriot."

That line of thinking is exactly why Republican smear campaigns work.

Sad.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone considered the irony of Barack Hussein Obama visiting Truman's hometown? Truman was vilified by much of America. His poll numbers were as low as any president's (including the current occupant of the White House). History, however, has elevated his stature greatly. Most Americans now consider him a great president despite his horrible popularity numbers. He is the only US president to make the decision to use WMD's, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. In addition, North Korea DID NOT attack the US, yet Truman's decision to send large numbers of Americans there resulted in 15 times the number of American deaths as there have been in Iraq.

History has a way of vindicating great leaders. Although the Unhinged Left (of which Barack Hussein Obama is a member) often states that George W. Bush is a poor president, it is possible that history too may vindicate him.

Posted by: Ellis | June 30, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

IS THAT LIKE HE WON'T SIT BACK SILENTLY THE WAY HE DID IN THE RABID RACIST WHITE BASHING CHURCH FOR TWENTY YEARS ??

IS THAT LIKE HE STOOD ACTING SMART AND NOT PLEDGING THE FLAG ??

WHY DOES THIS GUY LIKE AND GET AWAY WITH BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE FOR THINGS THAT HE HE HE HAS DONE ??


WILL THIS BABY WIPE PRESS GET OFF THEIR TUFFET ARM CHAIR ARSES AND DO SOME JOURNALISM ???


IS CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER THE ONLY PERSON WITH SELF RESPECT AND REGARD FOR HIS PROFESSION AND PROFESSIONALISM


WE'LL ALL FIND OUT HOW MUCH OBAMA FEEDS AND PAYS THE PRESS SOME DAY

BIG BIG WONDERFUL SNACKS AT THE PRESS SECTION OF HIS BUS AND PLANE


HE DIDN'T PLEDGE THE FLAG
HE STOOD WITH HIS ARMS AT HIS SIDE

HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT


HE SAT (DID HE? OR LYING?) DEAF DUMB AND BLIND FOR TWENTY YEARS IN THE WHITE BASHING RACIST CHURCH

WITHOUT "CHANGING" A THING OR A MIND OR SPEAKING OR WALKING OUT

HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT


THE PRESS NEEDS TO CUT THE CRAP WITH THIS GUY

CUT THE APRON STRINGS


HE'S GOT A SPEECH AND AND EXCUSE FOR EVERYTHING


THIS ISN'T A PLAYGROUND

HIS MOTHER MUST HAVE SUCKED UP EVERYTHING HE EVER SAID WHEN HE WAS TALKING HIMSELF OUT OF TROUBLE


SMALL TOWN BITTER WHITE FOLK ARE SMARTER THAN THAT


BELIEVE IT

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Someone is also using the name Sam. I hope it's not on purpose

Posted by: Sam H. (formerly Sam) | June 30, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, its amazing how many sheep come here to repeat what they are told to believe. I'm talking to Democrats and Republicans - both sides are the lemmings following their lemming leader of choice to the edge of the cliff.

It isn't about ideology - its about the economy and feeding your family. How dare we spend billions to kill innocent people overseas when we cant even feed or educate our own in this country. You all should be ashamed about this debate - there are so many more important things in the world.

Posted by: sheep herder | June 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

The name of this bill?
The date of the vote?

If you are right you are right. But what you say is not verifiable without a date. I tried to find this bill on VoteSmart, but can't find it.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

If a candidate -- in the case Obama-- has to stand up and give a speech telling us is he is a patriot, then I doubt highly he is a patriot.

Well said!

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monitor1 | June 30, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"Obama voted for the revamped GI-bill
McCain voted against that
That's from the voting record
In that case, I'd say their voting records shows Obama to be more benevolent, if not a better leader in general."

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 7:07 PM

McCain voted for an improved version of the new G.I. Bill that had pro-rated benefits which increased with length of military service, and also provided educational benefits to the spouses of military personnel.

Posted by: monitor1 | June 30, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

please censor these conservative comments. I dont like to hear the other side.

kxly news

Posted by: newsman | June 30, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

MODERN DAY DEMOCRAT PROFILE:
1) - College Educated Nancy Boy, Spineless & Usually Fat

2) Inner city dude, unemployed, likes welfare, into gang banging and rap

3) Lesbian

4) Feminist with hardon for any Real Man

5) Muzlim, Afro, or any American Hating Class of People

also

6) Gangsta Livin' large in Public Housing and driving a new Caddy going to the store on the state issued food stamp card.

7) Homies Sellin' nickel and dime bags as legit biz.

8) Drug buyin' dope smokin' Suburbite wannabes in da hood.

9) Scheming lawyers who can find the right to abort your kid, but not to self-defense in the constitution.

10) Corrupt poverty pimp politicians who keep the masses ignorant and themselves well fed.

Posted by: More Dem Profiles in "Courage" | June 30, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

It matters not WHEN John McCain risked his life for America. The fact remains he did risk his life for America -- probably more so than anyone posting here this evening. Obama never took such risks. He does not know such risks. And -- being a community organizer in Chicago just does not count. He scraped asbestos off the walls in a public housing project, and got kids summer jobs. So what? Many other people have done the same.

Obama is UNIMPRESSIVE.

Posted by: James Easterly | June 30, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain's wartime experience does nothing to enhance a president's ability. Toughness is Bobby Kennedy telling the Russians let go, you lose 90%, we lose 10%, rebuild and take over. The missiles were removed and Kruschef's career ended. Knowing is the key and McCain has voted against military command and has made ridiculous statements. He voted against Somalia (Powell), for Iraq (Shinseki), thinks Iran is a grave threat (goodbye centcom cmdr Fallon), wants troop levels that are not sustainable in Iraq (Joint Chiefs), has to be corrected by Lieberman about Al Qaeda in Iran. A military committee member that does not know where or whom is where as your enemy is not a good commander in chief regardless of the Hanoi Hilton.

Posted by: Jimbo | June 30, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

nice to see the mad dog mc cain supporters and fox dog food eaters have crawled out from under their respective rocks and found a place to roll in slime together. now would you please return to your dark caves.

Posted by: blue111 | June 30, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

General Wesley Clark's blunt assessment of how John McCain's military service enhanced his presidential qualifications provides some much needed perspective to counter the assumptions that we presented with every day.

The only people who are 'shocked' by these the General's comments are politicians and media personalities that are too busy exchanging common assumptions and ideas to spend very much time thinking for themselves.

John McCain flew 23 combat missions (an estimated 20-25 hours over enemy territory). The U.S. Navy awarded McCain III, the son of an admiral, a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

On John McCain's 23rd mission over North Vietnam his plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. After being pulled from the lake by the North Vietnamese, McCain was bayoneted in his left foot and shoulder and struck by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

On McCain's fourth day of being denied medical treatment, slapped, and threatened with
death by his captors. They were demanding military information in exchange for medical
treatment. McCain broke and told his interrogator,"O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.", as reported by McCain in the U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article that he authored.

It was then that the communist learned that McCain III's father was Admiral John S. McCain, the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific. The Vietnamese rushed McCain III to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally off-limits to U.S. POW. By Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press was quoting McCain III describing his mission including the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the order of which U.S. attacks would take place. While in still in North Vietnam's military hospital, McCain III gave an interview to prominent French television reporter Francois Chalais for a series titled Life in Hanoi. Chalais' interview with McCain III was aired in Europe. Vietnamese doctors operated on McCain's leg in early December, 1967. Six weeks after he was shot down, McCain was taken from the hospital and delivered to a U.S. POW camp, In May of 1968, McCain III allowed himself to be interviewed by two North Vietnamese generals at separate times.", as reported in May 14, 1973 by former POW John McCain.

On June 5, 1969, the New York Daily News reported in a article headlined "Reds Say POW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral, " . . . Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner . . ."

In 1970, McCain III agreed to an interview with Dr. Fernando Barral, a Spanish psychiatrist who was living in Cuba at the time. The meeting between Barral and McCain III (which was photographed by the Vietnamese) took place away from the prison at the office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in Hanoi (declassified government document). During the meeting, POW McCain sipped coffee and ate oranges and cakes with the Cuban.

While talking with Barral, McCain III further seriously violated the military Code of Conduct by failing to evade answering questions "to the utmost of his ability" when he, according government documents, helped Barral by answering questions in Spanish, a language McCain had learned in school. The interview was published in the in January 1970.

Many other captured soldiers and airmen preferred death to providing less aid to the enemy than John McCain. His collaboration can be understood, but not excused, as the reaction of a privileged young man to very harsh treatment, who owed his captors his life.

Did he come through his trials of war and imprisonment with values fortified and ready to make the right decisions for America?

Many of us with a bit of a memory, remember how John McCain acquitted himself when the Savings and Load scandal put his friends and family at risk. Did he do the right thing for all Americans or his best to protect himself?

So, don't judge General Wesley Clark too harshly. He is thinking for himself. His friends in the Obama campaign should not mindlessly reject General Clark's opinions. General Clark is not Rev. Wright. Obama must understand and accept a diversity of opinions from well-meaning, supportive, experienced public servants.

Posted by: J Lambert | June 30, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain was a true patriot 40 years ago during a different era. He has been in DC so long there isn't a single bone of a warrior left in him, he is a tired old politician that probably doesn't remember his service let alone remember his state of mind during the war.

The only thing you care about in combat is coming home, you dont care about the politics that put you there. Not after bullets start flying.

Support the troops and CHOOSE PEACE!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the comment I just read (James Easterly). Furthermore, I consider one a patriot who has risked his life for his country. Senator McCain has risked his life for America. Obama has never risked his life for America. His speech was a waste of time, and the Post is wasting space reporting on it.

Posted by: Sarah Brownell | June 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

IF YOU SAY "NO" TO HARD WORK

IF YOU SAY "NO" TO MORALITY AND MODESTY

IF YOU SAY "NO" TO PERSONAL RESPONISBILITY

IF YOU SAY "YES" TO QUEERS & VENARIAL DISEASE

SAY "YES" TO THE MODERN DEMOCRAT

Posted by: Californicate2 | June 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

IF YOU SAY "NO" TO AMERICAN FLAGS

IF YOU SAY "NO" TO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE

IF YOU SAY "NO" TO CLEANLINESS & HYGIENE

SAY "YES" TO OBAMA

Posted by: Californicate | June 30, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama were really an agent of change he would have said that Bill Clinton's favorite flag officer would have no role in his campaign and his administration. But alas, CO (Community Organizer) would not do that. He's your typical politician. By the way, how do you get a job as a community organizer? My brother's out of work and needs a job.

Posted by: Ellis | June 30, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

If a candidate -- in the case Obama-- has to stand up and give a speech telling is he is a patriot, then I doubt highly he is a patriot. All that he and his America-hating wife, and America-hating minister have said to date show otherwise. Why should we believe him today? I judge a man by his actions and affiliations. Senator McCain is the true patriot.

Posted by: James Easterly | June 30, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Go Obama! Obama 08! McSame keeps talking about how he wants to talk about the issues, but every time I hear him speak --negativity, negativity, negativity! The Republicans use the same okey-doke move -patriotism. I do not want four more years of Bush. Bush manhandled McCain in 2000, so now McCain has morphed into McBush to win. If you can't stay true to yourself, then you can always be bought. Obama stood up like a man and said that he did not want Public Financing. THANK YOU, OBAMA!

Posted by: I want change! | June 30, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse


Yadda yada patriotism. Yadda love yadda country.

Sweet Vishnu! The man may love this country, but he loves the sound of his own voice far more.

Posted by: WylieD | June 30, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

MODERN DAY REPUBLICAN PROFILE:
1) - unEducated idiot, Spineless & Usually Fat

2) Country dude, unemployed, likes pig wraslin, welfare and both kinds of music - country and western.

3) Closet gay

4) I guy who thinks hes a real man until he has to take responsibility for his children.

5) Christian who hates everyone

Posted by: liebreaker | June 30, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh my God. The comments here make me so very sad.

Posted by: Erica | June 30, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I am a patriot and I will not wear a flag pin or put my hand over my heart for the flag until the bunch of traitors in the WH are done away with. I will, however, say a prayer to the flag and promise her that I will do whatever I can to get rid of all the nefarious rethugs who tell lies and spread false rumors all over the place. May they rot in hell.

Posted by: Deaudonnee | June 30, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama voted for the revamped GI-bill

McCain voted against that

That's from the voting record

In that case, I'd say their voting records shows Obama to be more benevolent, if not a better leader in general.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

robbed by this modern day Robin Hood from the Chicago Southside Hood.


He didn't do nothing here, so STFup!

Posted by: SoSideThuggz | June 30, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we could counterbalance Obama's lack of accomplish against McCain's decades of corruption and then choose. I will always choose the inexperienced visionary over the jaded, corrupt member of the establishment.

Give me honesty not experience and I will vote for you!

Posted by: truth | June 30, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Welfare State Baby!

spoken like an old school pig. mad dog mc cain is no hero. just a nutcase old man who should be nowhere near the white house, unless there is a tour for seniors going on.

Posted by: blue111 | June 30, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

MODERN DAY DEMOCRAT PROFILE:
1) - College Educated Nancy Boy, Spineless & Usually Fat

2) Inner city dude, unemployed, likes welfare, into gang banging and rap

3) Lesbian

4) Feminist with hardon for any Real Man

5) Muzlim, Afro, or any American Hating Class of People

Posted by: TruthTeller | June 30, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Iraq was for WMDs I thought. You know... the ones they never found. Oh right! We just "haven't found them" yet.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah let's all quit our jobs and get the welfare Obama is promising to all.

I need a vacation and just may take one to keep from being robbed by this modern day Robin Hood from the Chicago Southside Hood.

Posted by: Welfare State Baby! | June 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

jen dc

Please provide us with the hard evidence of Obama's legislative accomplishments which convinces you he is qualified to run our country and choose responsible staff.

So far, his judgment of the latter leaves a whole lot to be desired.

Please tell us of his legislative accomplishments. We, who don't believe he has any, are interested in being straightened out.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

oh thats right....Iraq was for OIl.....????

another liberal democratic lie not worth the toilet paper its written on

Posted by: hmmm | June 30, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Yeah lets all vote for old man McBush oops I mean McCain.. The republicans have done such a horrible job for the American people over the last eight years I would rather move to Canada than live under another eight years of McBush. $5 gas, a crashed financial sector, the highest rate of fraud and financial rune in a generation - probably worse than Carters record when its all said and done and he was the worst.

Cost of living right now is higher in adjusted dollars than during Carters disastrous presidency. Thats a helluva legacy there all you BushBots

Posted by: bush_hater | June 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

we need Obama in Office. I need more welfare and gas is too high (even tho i dont buy insurance). I dont want to work, but I love hamburgers..

VIVA LA FRANCE

Posted by: Urbanite | June 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Tell me what lies you're talking about so the left can correct itself. You certainly seem to be in-the-know and probably piss holy water.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Just keep repeating the lies of the left, the more lies you tell the worse the Democrats look. You appear to hate all Americans who disagree with you

Posted by: haters never win | June 30, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

What is a patriot is it someone that goes with the flow and fallows the leader or is it someone that sees what is wrong and tries to make it right? If the true patriots were like what we have had in Washington for the last 24 years a third of us would still be subjects of the British Crown, another third would be speaking French and the remaining third would be Mexican, not race but a Mexican State. We are all in a country where we are subjects of a government that is run by international corporations. Some good patriot has to come along and return this nation to a government "Of the people, by the people and for the people." I conceder Lincoln a patriot. Lincoln is well known but the names very many true patriots are found in the footnotes of history and not on monuments or plaques on public buildings. As for Obama not wanting to ware a flag, we are not an imperial nation the flag is a possession of the citizens of this nation to do with, or without as they chose. I personally will not fly my flag as long as Gorge W. Bush's administration is in power. They have broken too many United States laws and too many international laws and treaties. They have made me ashamed of my country. I do fly the flag on national holidays to honor the patriots of the past. Here are some quotes of some patriots. "A hypocrite is the kind of politician who would cut down a redwood tree. Then mount the stump and make a speech for conservation,"--Adlai E. Stevenson A politician thinks of the next election; a statesman, of the next generation."--James Freeman Clark.

Posted by: Old Coot | June 30, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

accident of birth? what happened to God being in control obama?

Posted by: gunclinger | June 30, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

You know... instead of insinuating the most baseless lies about his religious beliefs you could just claim Obama is a demagogue and then you wouldn't be an imbecile. That way you get your point across.

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Just keep repeated the lies of the right, the more lies you tell the worse the republicans look.

Posted by: idiot_hater | June 30, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain = REAL LEADERSHIP
Obama = HOPE AND DOPE

We decide. You're damn right we do!

Posted by: Real Voter | June 30, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

---WELFARE = OBOMA
---WORK = MCCAIN

Posted by: wendy | June 30, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

he isn't us he is barack hussein [which means blessed hussein the grandson of mohommad that he called son]. his daddy was islamic and under islamic law he is islamic. his step father was islamic and took him to an islamic country - indonesia - and enrolled him in an islamic school. only islamics can go to islamic schools.
then he want to a catholic school where islamic children can attend in indonesia.
he said he was not a christian until he met looney wright, 20 years ago. so that leave him for more than 20 years as not christian, what was he? raised islamic - you figure it out.
wright - his mentor - hated whites, jews, isreal and America. do you really think that man you want to be president did not know that and if he didn't would you want him that dumb.
and wright loves islam, and gave the white hating nation of islam leader a medal and went to islamic countries.
and for how many years did obama and his baby mommy sit there and let their children listen to the hate of wright, and not belive it.
and then there is the hussein connection with the weather underground - a terrorist organization.
lil hussein obama is not fit to be dog catcher.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

If Rev Wrong err... Wrights racist preaching of 20 years had come out last spring, HILLARY would be the nominiee...

VOTE HILLARY 2012

Posted by: HateRacists | June 30, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain = FEAR
Obama = HOPE

We decide.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse


The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Posted by: WylieD | June 30, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Sequoia, here. All the anti-Obama commentary boils down to is the ability of individual posters to ignore hard evidence in front of them and take as gospel anything they find on the internet that's negative, including that Obama is a Muslim (generally, people are the religion they claim to be); that Michelle Obama has a secret tape using the word "whitey"; that neither of them is patriotic - as if (1) patriotism includes NEVER criticising your country or (2) being mistaken about the right or wrong way to salute the flag during the Pledge; etc. etc.

All I can do at this point is roll my eyes. Do I want to involve myself with this level of ignorance? If I believe in the American democratic process - which is debatable - then I must. I must submerge myself in your racism and stupidity in an attempt to help you see reason or at least provide credible, correct information. Ugh is right. Why make yourselves seem more gullible and stupid than you actually are? Why buy into the lies and misinformation? Is it because it's easier to do? Please explain it to me...

Posted by: Jen DC | June 30, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

MUZLIMS 4 OBAMA >>>>>>>>>>>!!!
WE SHALL RULE DA WORLD

Posted by: CLINTONITE | June 30, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I know there are many intelligent republicans, that love their country and would die to defend it. McCain unfortunately doesn't want you to die for your country, he wants you to die for his campaign contributors. Doesn't seem very Patriotic to me.

I prefer not to be pandered to by politicians that think I am so simple minded as to be swayed by claims about someones patriotism - that was the point of Obamas speech - don't let political spin determine your future.


Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.
Oscar Wilde

Posted by: non_repugnican | June 30, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

It is really disturbing that Obama's supporters must always resort to expletives and smears instead of engaging on substantive issues.

If this is the caliber of Ugliness that we will encounter during an Obama administration, I surely hope the American people will see through this veil he has erected before it's too late.

Posted by: Mean Obama | June 30, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

In my English class this year, to abstain from saying the pledge in the morning was a common occurrence. The known conservatives, the known liberals, and the unknowns would often neither stand nor say the pledge. Was my class unpatriotic?

I did say the pledge almost every day. The days I didn't I wasn't there or I was on crutches. I know that's a little weak... sorry ultra-patriots. I mention this only to stave off questions like "You didn't ever say the pledge did you?"

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I also think Obama shows a lot of class by acknowledging McCain's service. It's sad that Republicans didn't extend the same benefit to John Kerry four years ago.


Thats because of the monumental difference between the two services.

One reflected courage and should be honored - the other reflected self serving cowardice and should be recognized for what it was. And it was.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

It's so very sad to see so many sad a** Americans showing their true UGLY colors in here.

I used to think it was the politicians that were making a mes of things.

Today, I see it is the hate and fear in the hearts of Americans that truly drive our problems.

As long s this hate and fear continue, we are doomed..no matter who is in office.

Posted by: Vance | June 30, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The ignorance,bile,hate and bigotry on these posts seems to know no bounds, which is why I fear these countless morons will give us McSame in 08.

Posted by: miked | June 30, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"What is racism?

A racial identity so strong that 90% will not vote for a candidate of another race.

excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association Public Interest Directorate

NOBAMA MAMA '08

Posted by: NOBAMA MAMA | June 30, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a fraud.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

amazing electorate. we truly deserve the moron president we're going to get -- whether it be mccain or obama. both are useless and want BIG govt in our lives and it's this type of useless debate that assures we deserve no better. what a bunch of bigots on both sides reside here...

Posted by: rk | June 30, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be great if we could keep this kind of stupidity out of the race for President. How about questions along the lines of:

If elected, what are your plans for the country?

Posted by: anytime | June 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

This white man grew up in the South learning to salute the flag while in uniform or placing the hand over the heart when not in uniform. I learned to just stand at attention or just have my hands at my side when singing the national anthem. All this fuss over such small things makes me think that we have made idols of these things and are worshipping them. To this day, I see some people place their hands over their hearts or just stand with hands to their sides when singing the national anthem. I do not see any big fuss. The flag pin controversy is the same thing. I grew up when it was wrong to wear the flag as part of your clothing. Today I see the superpatriots totally dressed in the flag or a replica of it. The same type of thing is happening in many mainstream Christian churches. Whether speaking in tongues, lifting up holy hands, singing WOW choruses, and so forth is an attempt to prove their Christianity. For me, my Christianity is not a personal display but a life lived according to the Word in a manner that I grew up. I hope that this is just a phase we are going through. I do feel that the way the Vietnam War veterans were treated has resulted in an over-reation to our reverence and respect for military service now. I was one who felt the hate and hostility to those who served during the Vietnam War era. However, I do not dwell on that time in my life. When current military personnel are caught up in abusing prisoners by either the use of vulgar words or pronographic deeds, a Christian President would know exactly how to go about dealing with this inexplicable behavior. However, I have not witnessed such a response and have not heard the religious right castigate such behavior. What I have heard from with my own ears from my Christian right brothers is that they deserve everything that they get. Trying to win the minds and hearts of captured combatants and/or terrorists does not seem to fit in when Jesus said to "love your enemies." Consequently, these same superpatriots castigate the rest of us, whether we served honorably in our military or some other manner of service if we are in another political camp. They are listening to the likes of Ann Coulter who said that the Democratic Party should just stop existing. How un-American is this statement? It is amazing how many of the far right never served in the armed forces, but still spew forth their superpatriotism lines. We are indeed fortunate that we do not fight our politics on the field of battle, but I wonder how long it will be before it spills over into violence of one form or another.

I listened to a priest in Iraq in an interview on 60 Minutes yesterday who said that in the 2000 year history of Christians in Iraq, this is the worst time of their lives. He said that there was no comparison how Christian were treated under Saddam and now. He said that Christians are being maimed, murdered, and chased away. In fact, he ventured to say that those who could had already fled Iraq. He remained behind to help talk care of the poor, etc. Guess where most of those Christians are fleeing to: Syria and Iran. Interesting isn't it. The Christians there rally wonder about us.

Posted by: Earl C, Virginia Beach | June 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Great speech by Obama. What's interesting is that this speech only ranks 10th or 11th in the speeches Obama has given this year. Yet it is far better than ANY speech old man McCain has given.

I also think Obama shows a lot of class by acknowledging McCain's service. It's sad that Republicans didn't extend the same benefit to John Kerry four years ago.

Posted by: Existenz | June 30, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

Posted by: willandjansdad | June 30, 2008 1:39 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

We know much a person knowing of the best friends you have. Patriotism is the same.
Obama has best friends Rezk, Rev. Wrigth, etc..
He doesn't like to use symbols of the Fatherland, which said it was out of fashion, because he is liberal ... love is manifested by someone with details, and symbols are made to give a signal.
Obama shows that not only isn't patriotic, and he doesn't seem American to 100%, his way of looking at politics is actually "out of fashion."
Patriotism isn't born by obligation, it's naturally for one person because love his country.

Posted by: Nuccia | June 30, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

This all makes me sick.

First, I do support Obama over McCain, so you can disregard the following if that alone makes you fundamentally disagree with me without thinking.

Patriotism is not a pin, a pledge, a gun, a cross, or any tangible thing. To think so is ridiculous. Patriotism is love of country, and in this country I'd say that means love of the constitution. So the question really is: does Barack Obama respect the Constitution and will he abide by it? I believe the answer is yes, but no, I don't have anything to back that up. It should also be asked by all whether McCain is a patriot (I am sorry if posing this question offends you). As long as he respects the ideas presented in the Constitution and will uphold those principles in office, he is a patriot. I refuse to use the most trivial decisions (such as one's choice of lapel pins in the morning) as indications of one's patriotism. In point of fact, I see no reason to doubt the patriotism of either candidate.

Call me naive, but I tend to think anyone that has become the presumptive presidential nominee for either major political party is patriotic. Isn't the primary system a test of patriotism in itself. If people did not believe Barack or McCain were patriots would they vote for them? I don't think they would.

"So let us begin anew--remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof." - JFK

Posted by: Sam | June 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Donny - ok, fair enough. We should not elect someone because they are a patriot. We should elect someone because they can get the job done.

So why do you back Obama? He is neither a patriot or a get the job done person.

What has Obama done except talk that convinces you he will "get the job done?"

Please share with us his legislative accomplishments which lead you to believe he is capable of being the head executive.

This is a serious job - not an equal opportunity jackpot.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: TalkTail | June 30, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain lost to Geroge W. Bush, who had no executive experience. And Bush challenged McCain's war hero status. And everyone on this board is saying that he is a hero. And when he was running against Bush he was not a hero. When you loose to Bush is like coming in second to the retarded kid. And now the retarded kid is not running all of a sudden you become brilliant. McCain graduated and the bottom of his class in. Got shot down. Never tried to escape to cause havoc behind the enemies line. Sat in a prison and got tortured. I would have called him a hero if he tried to escape and got seriously injured or killed not lay down and accept torture. If receiving pain is torture. All mothers at child birth are heroes (and they are). If i pass a kidney stone I am a hero. Surviving dose not make you a hero. If so in a nuclear attack only roaches, and ants would survive they are your true heroes.

Posted by: Style | June 30, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse


About the time Wesley Clark's candidate for the presidency, Barack Obama, was in elementary school and learning to ride a bicycle, John McCain was getting the living crap beat out of him while being held captive by the North Vietnamese in the Hanoi Hilton.

Surely even an airhead like Wesley Clark doesn't really want to start comparing the military backgrounds of the two presidential nominees in this particular election..

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama's a politicican just like all the rest of the Washington crowd. In fact, he's worse because he plays the "holier-than-thou card" at every juncture. Hope is not a strategy....I am sick of all politicans at this point in time - the electoral process should be limited to a two-month period so we don't have to listen to this drivel.....

Let's codify this in LAW now!

Posted by: Stop the madness | June 30, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

This display of sudden patriotism is just another act to get elected. Just like his "great" race speech where he stated he could not disown Rev. Wright unless he disowned his "white" grandmother. A few weeks later he disowned Rev. Wright.

I don't think he is sincere in anything he says, and he will say anything that sounds good to get him votes.

I am voting for someone who does not need to give a speech to convince me that he is patriotic - John McCain.

Posted by: McCain Woman Democrat | June 30, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

How shallow he is. So this will be the cutsie pie campaign? Unity, Independence, what's next?

BTW...where's the little lady Obama? You send her home to press your shirts?

Posted by: pansycritter | June 30, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"Historically military records have been sacred cows, but the swiftboating of Kerry has changed the dynamics"???

Bottom line. If a soildier is not fighting to Defend the United States of America as America exists under the Constitution for the United States of America - presently or currently... then what would that soldier then be fighting for Darth Cheney... sure, you have found the dark crevices of the living doc - in which to hide from:

Article. VI. ...This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. ...

Amendment IX. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Amendment XIV.Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratifi ed July 9, 1868. (Note: Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution was modifi ed by Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.) SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Posted by: steve | June 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

If people are against Sen. McCain because of Pres. Bush extreme right wing stance. Then everyone should realize that Sen. Obama is also an extremist whose stance is to the extreme left. Replacing one extremist with another will not solve America's problems. What we need is a leader in the middle like Sen. McCain. Us middle class under Pres. Bush have to slave for the very rich. Under Sen. Obama we would have to slave for the extremely poor. We need Sen. McC to have a fair and just system.

Also, remember Sen. McC and Pres. B. does not share the same brain. They can think differently and rule this nation differently.

Posted by: S. Leavy | June 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Would Barack Hussein Obama be able to pass a high level background check that so many federal employees (particularly in the DC area) must undergo? I mean, a FBI, CIA or NSA high clearance background check.

Posted by: Ellis | June 30, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Dang, Some of you people are long winded.
Obama is not an American. McCain all the way.

Posted by: McCain Supporter | June 30, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand all the harsh words between these people. Obama is who he is. It is all spelled out in the live he has lived. His mother was a far left,both his fathers Muslim,spent most of his life practicing Black liberation Theology, has shown very bad judgement, not only in his life, but in arrogant remarks about common ordinary Americans. He has absolutly no experience and it is very questionable where he stands on anything. He won't even debate with Mccain because he doesn't want to answer any questions from us, and he shows just how unitelligent he really is when it comes to important issues. So no matter what is proven about him, his supportors will not listen because they can't admit he is not who he is trying to portray himself as. Their are desperate and thats why they are so hostile. Mccain wasn't my choice either, but a vote for him is a vote Obama won't get. Wake up America!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The "patriotism" question/boogeyman continues to be the red-herring that holds America back. The definition of patriotism should not be the cheerleading blow-hard crap we've been spoon fed. Patriotism should be known by the "get the damn job done" ethic and aesthetic which once made America great. It got us through the Great Depression and WWII...and we seem to have lost it for a red-white-and-blue media frenzy.

Why not just elect the idiot with the best powerpoint presentation!

Obama offers us something different and tons more dignified than we have been stuck with for the last seven years.

Posted by: Donny | June 30, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Diane E., because she is apparently allergic to the truth, deliberately mis-quotes Senator Obama as saying (in The Audacity of Hope): "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

The actual quote,(on pages 260-261, for those who care to care to check up on what the man actually said): ""Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good-natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: "I am your friend," "[Fill in the home country] has been a cradle of civilization," and "You embody the American dream." They're right, my message is simple, for what I've come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect.

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Not only does Diane E. mis-quote him, but her made-up "quotation" completely and deliberately distorts his meaning.

I don't know if she got this twisted garbage from a right-wing hate-group e-mail, or whether she fabricated it herself. But she must take ownership for putting it out there.

Yes, I'm calling you out on this, Diane E. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. It is pathetic, but not surprising, that so many of those who have trouble dealing with a likely Obama presidency resort to such gutter tactics. Didn't you ever learn how to fight fair, or is dirty the only way you know?

My only regret is that I don't have the time to spare from my day job to pick up and respond to each and every one of the vicious falsehoods being promulgated by your malicious ilk. There is simply no end to your ugliness. Please stop the deliberate lies and distortions. It is beneath the dignity of all but the lowest of human beings.

Posted by: Preston | June 30, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

The "patriotism" question/boogeyman continues to be the red-herring that holds America back. The definition of patriotism should not be the cheerleading blow-hard crap we've been spoon fed. Patriotism should be known by the "get the damn job done" ethic and aesthetic which once made America great. It got us through the Great Depression and WWII...and we seem to have lost it for a red-white-and-blue media frenzy.

Why not just elect the idiot with the best powerpoint presentation!

Obama offers us something different and tons more dignified than we have been stuck with for the last seven years.

Posted by: Donny | June 30, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an unquestionable war hero. Major sacrifice in wartime should be an appropriate consideration for any candidate, but it is not the ultimate qualifier for any office. Being a POW speaks for itself. There have been no disparaging remarks against McCain's military service nor patriotism. Wes Clark remarks found fault with McCain using it as the basis for his executive qualifications. Wes Clark is attempting to remove any blurred thinking that argues being a POW war hero automatically qualifies one for the presidency. To reiterate, Wes Clark did not malign McCain who has sacrificed and suffered for this nation; rather, he is arguing that Mc Cain's military service does not qualify him to be an expert in defense and security matters. Wes Clark has not alleged that "John McCain never ever fought in a war or served in the military" or that - "McCain made the whole thing up." That would be swift-boating; instead, Wes Clark is questioning the political mileage McCain is trying to wrangle out his military service-which makes McCain a smart politician and Wes Clark a better politician for calling him on it. Wes Clark has shaken the main foundation of McCain's claim to being superior to Obama in leadership and experience.

Posted by: Lydia, Durham, NC | June 30, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

After reading this paragraph in the article..."His speech put the issue in a sweeping historical perspective, speaking of charges that Thomas Jefferson had sold the nation out to the French and that John Adams was in cahoots with the British. He also questioned policies enacted in the name of patriotism, from Adams' Alien and Sedition Act, Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus and Franklin Delano Roosevelt's internment of Japanese Americans."

Senator Obama's comment has displayed a true lack of understanding. It's one thing to know facts about history. It's another to pretend you were there & have the full understanding of the moment. It's convenient to sit back and be an "arm-chair" quaterback.

Posted by: Bryan W. | June 30, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

To Mark and so many others who choose to bring religion into the fray, Christianity,
Judaism, Islam whatever, it has nothing to do with the corruption and paranoia which this presently illegal Bush/Cheney administration has infused our nation with over the last eight years. The reason many of us open-minded Patriotic American thinkers really don't care to see Senator John Mccain elected as our next president is that, unlike Senator Barack Obama, Mr. mcCain can't seem to understand that focuing on issues which cater to so-called Christians alone, won't do anything to remove the terrible burdens foisted on the American Taxpayer to fund two illegal wars in iraq and Afghanistan, rebuild our shattered economy, provide a foundation for our eroded educational system, healthcare systems, and so much more. At least Obama puts a fresher spin than the stale vision which Senator John McCain seems to hold on to, which is that which the Bush/Cheney Regime has pertratuated onto the narrow-minded and ignorant masses for eight very long years.

Posted by: Jet-Man | June 30, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

NO BO...He talks the talk, but doesn't walk the talk...he's woefully lacking in all the skills needed to handle the most demanding job in the world...and as we learn more about him, it is evident he's "the wolf in sheep's clothing"...No Obama...No BO...God Bless America.

Posted by: ltk01@yahoo.com | June 30, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

What is prejudice?

A racial group mentality that votes 90% for a candidate of the same race.

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Posted by: American Psychological Association | June 30, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I am intrigued by those who insist on deciding who is or is not patriotic. Why does this question enter the forum?

As I read the posts below it seems that those writers who insist that they are patriotic are good haters.

What does patriotism mean?

Instead of using this scare term to hide behind an unintelligent debate why not identify the issues that are important to voters, then ascertain the position of the candidates in relation to these issues and then make a decision to support one candidate and reject the other.

Whoops! I forgot. Americans are more interested in being unintelligent and unfair and clouding up a sound debate with static that prevents the air from being cleared.

Posted by: Robert James | June 30, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

This is all about Wes Clark legitimately questioning the basis for McCain's strongest campaign narrative. To be sure, the there is an association between military service--a war hero-- and public service but they are not the same. There are distinctions with differences. Since McCain is trying to role over his military experience into national security and foreign policy expertise and using it to run against Obama, in an odd and uncomfortable way, it places it under scrutiny. Wes Clark is saying that the McCain's campaigning convoluting of his heroism into diplomatic and executive expertise does not hold up. He is pointing out distinctions within differences. As a four star general, a flag ranked officer, and the Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO, he can make this statement in a way that Obama can not. It is almost an insider game in which Wes Clark can pull rank. During the primaries, in a much different way, Gloria Steinman tried to call attention to the mis-representation of McCain's military service juxtaposition gender, and she was slammed. She was taken to the wood-shed. This is tricky ground to thread. Wes Clark has credentials that few others have, he has street creds. He has successfully planted the seeds of the idea for discussion in the public domain. The Clark's comments raises inferences to the average, fair-minded vote, and confirms mind-sets on the far left. Historically military records have been sacred cows, but the swiftboating of Kerry has changed the dynamics.

Posted by: Lydia, Durham, NC | June 30, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"What is racism?
Racism is racial prejudice that has been incorporated into the activities and procedures of major institutions, corporations, social systems (such as those related to housing, education, and health), and other arenas of major social activity (such as politics, the media, finance, and banking). Racism serves both to discriminate against ethnic minorities and to maintain advantages and benefits for White Americans. excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama was right about the way politics has been stuck in the Viet Nam war, with cartoon rightwingers fighting cartoon leftwingers. He really is above that, whatever you think of his policies.

Somebody here called him "patronising", but when your opponents are race-baiting you and outright lying about you, perhaps you have to go back to basics and explain why they should stop.

The republicans have shown they can win by fear mongering and lying. But every time they do, they take the country further away from what the founding fathers intended.

Posted by: DavidB | June 30, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

What do you call "Defence Spending" -- welfare for white people. Look around any "Defence" company and you'll see 99% white, christians working there. That's the real reason for high defence spending.

Posted by: PrivelegedWhiteMan | June 30, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Dear Senator McCain:

I watched your speech delivered today in PA, which I think was much better than the one in OH. I am glad that you finally found your own style, humor, and voice. This is John McCain we know. As long as you keep cool, everything will be fine.

Since General Clark made a mistake, Senator Obama should have another press conference to defend his remarks or policy gaffes so this is great news for you.

As for your comment on free trade and security in relation to our commitment to our allies in the region and the world, that was brilliant. What you said today and what Senator Obama said clearly show a clear distinction in terms of characters, credentials, and qualifications.

You and Cindy McCain look presidential so do not worry about any attacks from Obama's Campaign. Voters like true stories; we don't like fake identities.

Posted by: peace4world | June 30, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

In the press conference on MSNBC McCain didn't answer the question put to him about Obama's patriotism. He gave a response, but he didn't answer the question. No where in Clark's remarks did he question McCain's patriotism. He does attack, very skillfully, the basic foundation of McCain's argument that he should be president because of his heroic military service to our nation. Mc Cain's military service does not qualify him to be an expert in defense, security matters, foreign affairs. Clark's comments raises inferences to the average, fair-minded vote about the basis for McCain's strongest campaign narrative.

Posted by: Lydia, Durham, NC | June 30, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters respect McCain's honorable service to our country. I come from a proud Alaska Native Democrat family that served in all major wars. My niece's husband was a Black Hawk Crew Chief with two tours in Iraq and one tour in Afghanistan. Considering what happened to Alaska Natives and American Indians we are still fighting for this country. The largest demographic group serving in Iraq are Alaska Natives, American Indians and Native Hawaiians in the ratio of their percentage of the population to the percentage of the armed services So yes John McCain will always have our respect.

But when John McCain says that he sees victory in Iraq in 5 years if he is President by continuing the Bush/Cheney policy on Iraq that is anther story. We already have over 29,978 US wounded, anther over 2000 UK wounded. Over 4178 US Military deaths, over 176 UK. You never see it in the media but their is anther 40,000 of our veterans and troops with Post Traumatic Stress.

Now McCain says its all about the US causalities. Because of modern medical advancements more of our troops are surviving and returning home wounded.

Obama will work with our allies and listen to the people that count so this mess is cleaned up and our troops can come home safely and a war like this can't happen again in our lifetime perhaps our grand kids lifetime.

This is going to be anther very close election. We all have hopes for Obama in Nov. But hes going to need all the help he can get. That Republican attack machine is getting really nasty. We hope Gen Wesley Clark will still speak out about the issues as he is one of the Star Democrats that everyone respects and we do need him. Every time a Republican would say the Democrats are weak when it comes to the military we could always say "We have Gen. Wesley Clark on our side."

Come Nov We can wake up to a beautiful day with Barack Obama in the White House and the McCain/Bush/Cheney nightmare over. America deserves this.

U2 - Beautiful Day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omFdpnSu57U

Obama '08

Posted by: Cooday | June 30, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Just because someone doen't support the most Liberal Senate record in modern history does not make the a racist.

I'm sure Obama is a nice enough guy. The fact that he takes avantage of his position to get special real estate deal should not matter. The fact that he endorses through inaction one of the most radical religious leaders in America should not matter. The fact that he has changed his opinions more that a couple of times shows he flexable. But the fact he wants middle class citizens to give, give, and give some more in the form of taxes is in exclusable.

Posted by: dusty3443 | June 30, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"Dumbing Down the Presidency" Yes we Can!

New Campaign slogan suggested by an unsigned Obamabot.

Posted by: Obamabot | June 30, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

You know, before this political season, I did not see color. It wasn't until I saw how VERY NERVOUS white men got at my job that it dawned to me that it's all about the color of Barack's skin. I find it so funny that the GOP (and yes even Hillary) have been digging for something. A mistress, outside kids, drug use..the list goes on and on. It must just CHAP YOUR HIDE, cowboy that there are black men with values even higher than your own.
First thing I want Michelle Obama to do is get pregnant in the White House. When was the last time a president had sex (with his own wife) in the White House? Not since Lincoln! LOL

Posted by: im362638 | June 30, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Why in the world would Obama's mother's religion reflect on his morality? Or his father's? Are you so stupid as to judge people that inanely. Stalin was an atheist, Hitler a Christian, morality is not a factor of religion but of an internal ethical code. Obama has proven that he is dedicated to improving the lives of those less fortunate. Your arguments against him are false and bordering on psychotic.

Posted by: Dr Parker | June 30, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

The only way lib dem Socialists win any election is by buying votes..high tax and redistribute with government entitlements.

They have no plans, no solutions. Just buy votes. That is their moto and means to win...disgusting.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

What is prejudice?
Simply put, prejudice is bias. Prejudice refers to the negative opinions, judgments, beliefs, and feelings we hold about individuals because of their membership in certain groups or categories. When these negative views lead us to act in certain ways toward these individuals and groups, the result is discrimination.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

He's a hero for you: throws out crippled wife to marry beer barroness. - McCane '08

Posted by: McCane | June 30, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Who would / has Hamas, Al Qaeda, Iran, Hugo, Castro, Euro Socialists, America's enemies, street punks and gang members, Black Liberation Activists, Communists, Islamic Jihadists, Farrakhan, endorse?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

A Hillary supporter for McCain? Please tell me your kidding??? "Everybody knows the world is full of stupid people." You take the cake!

Posted by: RR | June 30, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama is unqualified, unelectable and unpatriotic. He's surrounded himself for over twenty years with people who hate America, like William Ayers, Bernardine Dorhn, his "pastor" pals Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pfleger, Meeks, and Moss, Rezko, Auchi, Khalidi, his "cousin" Raila Odinga of Kenya, Africa, Louis Farakhaan, etc....

A person is judged by the company they keep. Obama keeps some pretty anti-American, anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-captialism, company. WHY?????

Wake up America! The Obamarama has been a media driven illusion. Let the long overdue vetting of Obama finally begin.... A day is an eternity in politics, anything can and most likely will happen. Let's raise a glass to the political implosion of Barack Hussein Obama BEFORE the Dems foolishly nominate him in late August.

All excellent points! VERY MANY of us will participate in a Write-In Campaign
For Hillary 08!

Posted by: Audrey | June 30, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of the press giving McSame a free pass. Being shot down (after losing 4 planes)and being held as a bargaining chip does make one a war hero. It makes you a loser. He only stayed alive cause his daddy was an admiral. Another other joe would have been bbq'd.

Posted by: Mike | June 30, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"In short, the theory of the new racism holds that some blatant forms of racism have declined in recent decades, and the label "racist" has become something that most individuals want to avoid. However, even while trying to avoid the label of being "racist," individuals continue to hold deep, underlying negative stereotypes and feelings toward African Americans and other ethnic minorities. These more hidden stereotypes are symbolized in coded political views that seem to uphold respectable values, but continue to support institutionalized forms of racism. excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Barry Hussein throws 1 billion Muslims under the bus. Hold on America, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | June 30, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"Obama: I won't question others' patriotism - "

............Yeah he'll just let the other "left-wingers" in his campaign, in the Democrat party, in elite liberal Hollywood, in our mostly corrupt liberal MSM wolfpack press, and the elite intolerant liberal professors in our colleges (along with their contaminated students, our kids) do the attacking, smearing, distorting, and dividing of America to do his "dirty work".

Something Americans are getting use to with this inexperienced, unqualified candidate, Obama.

Posted by: allenridge | June 30, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

After reading through all the posts here, one thing stands out very clearly to me: In general, the anti-Obama comments are very,very hate filled. Are those the same people who believe in Christianity? I could be wrong, but I thought Christians believed in loving one's fellow man. Where in the Bible does it say, "Spread as much hate about other people as you can, especially those with whom you disagree with." At least, to his credit, McCain doesn't stoop so low.

Posted by: Mark | June 30, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama's a politicican just like all the rest of the Washington crowd. In fact, he's worse because he plays the "holier-than-thou card" at every juncture. Hope is not a strategy....I am sick of all politicans at this point in time - the electoral process should be limited to a two-month period so we don't have to listen to this drivel.....

Posted by: L. | June 30, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Why should we keep talking about prejudice and racism - aren't they on the way out? Hasn't there been so much change in society already?
It would be nice if prejudice and racism were on the decline. But it doesn't seem to be that way. A 1990 study found that a majority of Whites rated African Americans and Hispanics as less intelligent than themselves. A majority of Whites also thought African Americans and Hispanics are prone to violence and would rather be on welfare than work. These attitudes are not harmless. These prejudices not only are the basis for individual acts of discrimination, but they also allow people to justify unfair and destructive institutional and corporate practices.
What can psychology tell us about prejudice, discrimination, and racism?
Prejudice and racism are about real power, they're not just something that is in people's heads. Social issues like prejudice are complex and operate at many levels. At one level, issues of economics, political power, and domination are important. But individuals must perceive, interpret, and value differences in these "real-world" factors in order to act on them. Some psychologists have been interested in how people come to define real-world situations in terms of competition instead of cooperation (see sidebar: My team is the best... yours stinks." Psychologist Muzafer Sherif and colleageues created an experiment that demonstrated just how quickly we form alliances within a group against another group and how seriously we take these group differences. The experiment involved 3-week-long group experiences for 11- and 12- year-old boys at campsites in Oklahoma . The boys were initially grouped together and allowed to choose friends freely. Then, the boys were split into two groups: For each boy, about one-third of the new group-mates were part of their old friend networks and two-thirds were new. In a week, the boys changed their friendships so that most of their friends now came from the current group. More dramatically, when the boys engaged in a sports tournament, sportsmanship declined, and the boys ended up in aggressive, angry competition, including physical fighting. Competition was eliminated only after the two groups were asked to work cooperatively on a task o mutual interest [i.e., a superordinate goal]).
In the absence of meaningful power and status differences, individuals seize on the slightest commonality with others to form an in-group and discriminated against outsiders. For example, subjects in one experiment were asked which of two abstract paintings they preferred (Tajifel, 1969). The subjects were then guided to a booth and asked to award points worth money to two people, one of whom had agreed with the subject's choice and one of whom did not. Subjects awarded more points to those who were more similar to themselves on this seemingly trivial preference.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

If you wear uniforms you are protected under the geneva convention. Hmmmm, I guess that means that poor folks just have to suffer.

I say cut off the heads of the generals in Burma, Darfur, Zimbabwe and all the other countries that could give a damn about their people.

But, then again....americans buy chinese crap and surogately support the tyranny. So absolutely ignorant it is astounding.

Stop buying crap from china, the price of oil will go down and you'll be able to drive your hmmmmmveees.

Hey America...blue light special.

(Puke)

Posted by: Joe Kenrick | June 30, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

So any difference can be the basis of prejudice?

Any difference could be used to make distinctions between groups. But evidence shows that we tend to emphasize those aspects of stereotypes that relate to our most closely held values. For example, if we value intelligence, then we may be quick to see another group as stupid. Or if hard work is valued by a group, then it may label others as lazy. Other values and their corresponding negative stereotypes are: clean/dirty, hones/liar, fair/exploitive, strong/weak, reasonable/emotional, mature/childlike. It seems that one function of stereotypes, or prejudice, is to help us feel good about ourselves and our group by focusing on comparisons with other groups on issues that are most important to our personal and group identity.

There are a variety of mechanisms that we employ to help us feel better about ourselves and our group. For example, we like to believe our group is unique and we tend to overestimate the uniqueness of our good features. But when it comes to our negative qualities, we like to share these with others and, thus, overestimate how widespread these features are among others.

But do all stereotypes represent a way of feeling better about ourselves? Can't we hold stereotypes just because we have limited information or experience?
Yes, stereotypes can develop because of limited information. At the most basic level, stereotypes are related to the basic mental process of categorization. Our brains are very good at forming categories: good versus bad, edible versus nonedible, friend versus foe. Without these generalized concepts and categories, getting through the day would demand an overwhelming amount of analysis and careful consideration of every object and person we came into contact with. Categorization helps us take shortcuts and helps us become more efficient in making decisions and acting.

When a waiter at a restaurant comes t our table with a small pad and pencil, we prepare to give him our order. We don't have to spend much mental effort wondering: "are you our waiter? Can we give you our order?" In recent years, psychologists have been recognizing just how much of this processing takes place automatically without our even being aware that we are doing it.

Stereotypes in the sense of categories and concepts help us organize our thinking, helping us to perceive and remember more than we would without these aids. The problem with the stereotypes about social groups that underlie prejudice is that the categorization processes do not result in accurate generalizations. While the man in the restaurant with a pad and pencil is most probably a waiter, the African American, old, Jewish, gay, disabled, Hispanic, Catholic, Irish, or obese person to whom we apply a stereotype probably does not fit that stereotype as well as we assume.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

"I suppose the party who approves of murders and KKKers in the senate are capable of anything."

And lets not forget the crowning jewel of the lib dem Socialist party...Bubba. Yes, Bubba. The Sociopath criminal rapist chronic lying impeached leader of the pitiful Socialist party.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

But if the brain is so efficient at categorization, why doesn't experience correct inaccurate stereotypes?
Before answering that question, it is important to note that we may not be exposed to very much experience in our daily life that would contradict our stereotypes. For example, residential segregation keeps the home lives of different racial groups separate to some degree. But also, our stereotypes of other groups ("out groups") often lead to feelings of anxiety when we encounter the members of an out group. One of the oldest insights of psychology is that a main way we deal with anxiety is through avoidance: We simply avoid contact with individuals by crossing the street, turning our heads, talking to someone else, hiring someone else for a job, striking up friendships with someone else we feel more comfortable with, sitting down at the lunch table with those who seem to be more like us.
Returning to the question of why stereotypes persist in the face of contradictory experience, we find two main answers. The first is that because stereotypes may help us feel better about ourselves, we avoid challenging these stereotypes. In other words, we become defensive and protective of our worldviews and only reluctantly question our deepest assumptions. And these worldviews help protect not only our self esteem, but also real-world privileges and benefits that accrue to us as members of an in group. For example, racist discrimination by banks that hurts African American communities by limiting mortgages to these areas also benefits White neighborhoods by making more money available to them. Discrimination which in the past has limited slots available to Jews or African Americans or Asian Americans at universities has benefited the majority population by making more slots available to its members. So, maintaining our prejudiced view of other allows us to feel better about our own group and to avoid challenging unfair social practices that benefit us.
Psychologists have found that we put energy into various mechanisms that help us maintain our view of the world. For example, we can seek out and pay attention to information that supports our views. Evidence suggests that the More strongly we hold a stereotype, the more we tend to remember confirming information about the group. There is a kind of circular process here: For example, the more we believe stereotypes about gay men being effeminate, the more likely we will remember incidents which seem t support these views.
We also discount or rationalize information that is contradictory to our beliefs. The Black person who is intelligent and articulate, the gay man who is not effeminate, or the Jewish person who is not pushy become exceptions to the rule, but the rule remains. And we may look more closely for grammatical mistakes in the Black person's speech than in a White person's; or that the Jewish person is especially clever in working his or her exploitive influence behind our back.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Ok if John McCain's military and nonMilitary experiences don't matter then, by comparison, Wesley should classify Obama's qualifications as nonexistant. As such, Wesley should publicly disavow and withdraw his support to Obama. That is if this guy believes in fairness. Further, Wesley should ask Obama: what change are you proposing? From what to what? Against NAFTA (while you secretly tell the Canadiens that your posturing is just that, for the sake of getting elected.) Uniting all people (while you remove the Muslim women from your backdrop because they are wearing headscarves and that might cost you votes). Embrace your preacher (but throw him under the bus only when the public outcry reaches crescendo). Refuse and belittle wearing of the American Flag pin (but display it prominently when touring blue collar states such as Michigan and its auto factories because your support is weak among them and you need their votes in Michigan and Ohio). Formulate a foreign policy and make populist statements on Iraq and Afghanistan without ever having been anywhere outside this country in any official capacity (then hastily arrange a foreign trip to plug this gap so you claim authority and personal intelligence for your views inorder to gain credibility and get votes). Affirm, reaffirm and then reiterate your belief in source of election-funding (then abandon that belief and promise because you suddenly find yourself rich beyond your wildest imagination and you can spend these riches to get votes). Give lofty speeches and paint a utopian destination you want to take the country to (and then negotiate the price of Hillary's support in exchange for millions of dollars). Paint yourself as the humble and pure savior (and then display hubris by affixing an approximation of a seal of the President of the US) and on and on it will go... With McCain we know at least what we are getting...a maverick-warts and all. Tried, true, tested and imperfect but exactly what the country needs after 8 years of Bush. Wesley, the man has a record and does not claim to be a savior. Deal with that, pal.

Posted by: Mozart | June 30, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Women will decide this election. Women decide EVERY election. The media will NOT decide this election.

Women want Hillary. If we can't have Hillary it's John McCain in 08 and Hillary in 2012.

Obama is not only unpatriotic, he's unqualified and he's a sexist pig. He was terribly wrong to attack Bill Clinton.

Obama needs to learn to show respect.

Love of country should be a prerequisite for the Presidency. Obama fails that test as well as all others. The Dems have really blown the 2008 election. They still have a chance to rectify their mistake at the DNC convention in Denver in August. Let's hope for the sake of our country that they do.

Posted by: JK | June 30, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

So stereotypes persist because we want them to?

That's one answer. But the second answer to the question of why stereotypes persist despite contradictory experience has to do with how we think in general- what psychologists call our cognitive processes. While the brain is a powerful information processor, it is not perfect. The brain operates in a way to achieve probable accuracy, not perfect accuracy, and certain kinds of errors or "conceptual illusions" are preferred over other errors

(see sidebar: Optical Illusions of the Mind. The illusory correlation phenomenon is an example of how our mental processing can play tricks on us [Jones, 1997]. The illusory correlation refers to our tendency to believe that two things are more highly correlated [or associated] than they actually are. This illusion is based on our tendency t notice things more when they are rare or infrequent. In contrast, we become habituated to -or take for granted-things that are common. Consider the situation in which the same small percentage of minority group members and majority group members have some negative characteristic such as mental retardation. The infrequency of the negative characteristic and the infrequency of the minority group members will lead us to the illusory belief that a higher percentage of minority group member have the negative characteristic. So, we interpret our experience as telling us that the minority group actually has a higher percentage of mentally retarded individuals that the majority group. We notice the minority group members because they are infrequent, and we notice the mentally retarded individuals because they are infrequent, and we tend to believe the two are related more strongly than they actually are.)

(Do they all Look alike?
Out-group homogeneity is another psychological mechanism that reinforces our stereotypes about other groups. We tend to perceive other groups, "out groups," as more homogenous than our own group, or "in group." We see members of other groups as less variable, clustered closely around one standard profile. While we see members of our in group as having a lot of variation in behavior, looks, and personality, we tend to see members of an out group as having little variation. In other words, we come to view these other persons less as individuals and more just in terms of their group membership - and actually just in terms of our stereotypes about the group characteristics. This process may be what leads to embarrassing situations that occur when we confuse members of an out group with each other and have trouble differentiating them in terms of what they said, what the look like, or even their names.

By changing our behavior, for example, putting ourselves in close situations with members of out groups, we increase our familiarity with these individuals. As we become more familiar with them, we naturally see more individuality and variation within such a group. Not all contact will lead to such attitude changes - it seems the contact is best if structured as encounters among equals who are cooperating to achieve a superordinate goal. But these kinds of behavioral activities are some of the most effective ways to change prejudice.

The operation of naturally biasing processes, such as the illusory correlation and out-group homogeneity bias, when combined with our motivation to view other groups negatively as a way to enhance our own self-esteem, are powerful influences for maintaining stereotypes and prejudice. The desire to change our attitudes plus actual behavioral change on our part can counter these forces.)

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

A person would have to be crazy to vote for Obama.


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Posted by: Psych | June 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

So, even if we wanted to, it would be impossible to change our prejudices?

Not impossible, just difficult. And it's not enough to want to change our attitudes. The surest route to changing attitudes is changing behavior (Pettigrew, 1977). Although that might sound backward, research into attitude change has shown it to be true: Our attitudes follow our behavior.

By changing our behavior, for example, putting ourselves in close situations with members of out groups, we increase our familiarity with these individuals. As we become more familiar with them, we naturally see more individuality and variation within such a group. Not all contact will lead to such attitude changes - it seems the contact is best if structured as encounters among equals who are cooperating to achieve a superordinate goal. But these kinds of behavioral activities are some of the most effective ways to change prejudice.

The operation of naturally biasing processes, such as the illusory correlation and out-group homogeneity bias, when combined with our motivation to view other groups negatively as a way to enhance our own self-esteem, are powerful influences for maintaining stereotypes and prejudice. The desire to change our attitudes plus actual behavioral change on our part can counter these forces.

It sounds like a lot of work. Is it okay to harbor stereotypes if I just keep them to myself and treat everybody the same anyway?

The problem with keeping our own prejudices to ourselves and just trying not to act on them is that stereotypes influence us even when we do not realize it. Several psychological experiments have shown this quite clearly. In one (Bargh and Chen, 1996), subjects were given a long, boring task on a computer screen. Before each trial, a White or Black male face was shown on the screen so quickly that the subject did not have conscious awareness of the image. When an error message flashed and the subject was told he or she would have to begin the task again, those subjects (White) who had been subliminally shown a Black face showed more hostility than those who had been shown a White face. Our emotional reactions are so automatic that we do not even have to be aware of the stimuli that provoke our prejudices.

However, just because stereotypes can operate automatically and outside of awareness, that does not mean that there is nothing we can do about them. Keeping prejudice and stereotypes to ourselves is not a good way to deal with them. One of the best things to do is to confront them - to push through the anxiety we feel about being prejudiced and racist and discuss these issues honestly with others. Groups like the National Coalition Building Institute have designed ways to discuss these issues in ways that members of different groups talk about their personal experiences and thoughts about their own group and other groups. APA's program of Conversations on Race represents another forum in which these topics can be broached. We list these groups and others, as well as other things people can do to counter prejudice and racism in "Ten Things You Can Do" later in this publication.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd see the day that a presidential nominee would be forced to defend his patriotism

I never thought I would see the day that an American hating racist would be the democrat nominee for president.

I guess I thought it was just a matter of time - just never thought I would see it.

I suppose the party who approves of murders and KKKers in the senate are capable of anything.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I think its idiotic for people to choose a party and vote that way whether they agree with the party or not. If more people voted by thier choices rather than jumping into a bandwagon voting this country might look much different than the discriminatory crap we have all over. Really, we vote for someone due to thier party, or religeon, or thier color rather than whether we think they could do a better job. Screw political parties, can this guy do the job? Or are we just being more in a line of bigots and discriminating against people because of thier party, race, color. or sex? What matters more? Man/woman or democrat republican? Neither indicate the person is honest or even capable. But hey lets just let other people tell us how to vote and well stay blissfully blind christian racist lemmings the one currently in office has tried so hard to make us for the past7 years. After all the party we join is so much more important than any rational freedom of thought and choice.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"to all those people who say we have gained something in Iraq

......what exactly did we gain again?"

Hard to believe that either you are in such denial, hate Bush so much or are just plain stupid that by now you don't know. You really do not know, do you?

Hint: We are going to win, are winning and eventually Iraq will be a secure self governing democracy with a strong growing economy in the middle east. And that is more important today than it was when Hussien and his sons were removed.

Now based on that, answer your own question, moron.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

So, even if we wanted to, it would be impossible to change our prejudices?

Not impossible, just difficult. And it's not enough to want to change our attitudes. The surest route to changing attitudes is changing behavior (Pettigrew, 1977). Although that might sound backward, research into attitude change has shown it to be true: Our attitudes follow our behavior.

By changing our behavior, for example, putting ourselves in close situations with members of out groups, we increase our familiarity with these individuals. As we become more familiar with them, we naturally see more individuality and variation within such a group. Not all contact will lead to such attitude changes - it seems the contact is best if structured as encounters among equals who are cooperating to achieve a superordinate goal. But these kinds of behavioral activities are some of the most effective ways to change prejudice.

The operation of naturally biasing processes, such as the illusory correlation and out-group homogeneity bias, when combined with our motivation to view other groups negatively as a way to enhance our own self-esteem, are powerful influences for maintaining stereotypes and prejudice. The desire to change our attitudes plus actual behavioral change on our part can counter these forces.

It sounds like a lot of work. Is it okay to harbor stereotypes if I just keep them to myself and treat everybody the same anyway?

The problem with keeping our own prejudices to ourselves and just trying not to act on them is that stereotypes influence us even when we do not realize it. Several psychological experiments have shown this quite clearly. In one (Bargh and Chen, 1996), subjects were given a long, boring task on a computer screen. Before each trial, a White or Black male face was shown on the screen so quickly that the subject did not have conscious awareness of the image. When an error message flashed and the subject was told he or she would have to begin the task again, those subjects (White) who had been subliminally shown a Black face showed more hostility than those who had been shown a White face. Our emotional reactions are so automatic that we do not even have to be aware of the stimuli that provoke our prejudices.

However, just because stereotypes can operate automatically and outside of awareness, that does not mean that there is nothing we can do about them. Keeping prejudice and stereotypes to ourselves is not a good way to deal with them. One of the best things to do is to confront them - to push through the anxiety we feel about being prejudiced and racist and discuss these issues honestly with others. Groups like the National Coalition Building Institute have designed ways to discuss these issues in ways that members of different groups talk about their personal experiences and thoughts about their own group and other groups. APA's program of Conversations on Race represents another forum in which these topics can be broached. We list these groups and others, as well as other things people can do to counter prejudice and racism in "Ten Things You Can Do" later in this publication.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Obama seems to be a patronizing blowhard.

Why does he always have to give these pontifications on every inane subject imaginable.

If these are the tiresome diatribes we have to look forward to for 4 or 8 years, I am stopping my cable subscription to keep his asinine verbage to a minimum at my house.

I do not understand the "rock-star" to groupie status he enjoys with so many. Are some Americans really losing all ability to differentiate BS from brilliance."

I think David Broder had you in mind for his op-ed, "Dumbing Down the Presidency".
I would encourage you to read the article, but I guess your ADD would kick in and we'd have nothing to talk about.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

So stereotypes persist because we want them to?

That's one answer. But the second answer to the question of why stereotypes persist despite contradictory experience has to do with how we think in general- what psychologists call our cognitive processes. While the brain is a powerful information processor, it is not perfect. The brain operates in a way to achieve probable accuracy, not perfect accuracy, and certain kinds of errors or "conceptual illusions" are preferred over other errors

(see sidebar: Optical Illusions of the Mind. The illusory correlation phenomenon is an example of how our mental processing can play tricks on us [Jones, 1997]. The illusory correlation refers to our tendency to believe that two things are more highly correlated [or associated] than they actually are. This illusion is based on our tendency t notice things more when they are rare or infrequent. In contrast, we become habituated to -or take for granted-things that are common. Consider the situation in which the same small percentage of minority group members and majority group members have some negative characteristic such as mental retardation. The infrequency of the negative characteristic and the infrequency of the minority group members will lead us to the illusory belief that a higher percentage of minority group member have the negative characteristic. So, we interpret our experience as telling us that the minority group actually has a higher percentage of mentally retarded individuals that the majority group. We notice the minority group members because they are infrequent, and we notice the mentally retarded individuals because they are infrequent, and we tend to believe the two are related more strongly than they actually are.)

(Do they all Look alike?
Out-group homogeneity is another psychological mechanism that reinforces our stereotypes about other groups. We tend to perceive other groups, "out groups," as more homogenous than our own group, or "in group." We see members of other groups as less variable, clustered closely around one standard profile. While we see members of our in group as having a lot of variation in behavior, looks, and personality, we tend to see members of an out group as having little variation. In other words, we come to view these other persons less as individuals and more just in terms of their group membership - and actually just in terms of our stereotypes about the group characteristics. This process may be what leads to embarrassing situations that occur when we confuse members of an out group with each other and have trouble differentiating them in terms of what they said, what the look like, or even their names.

By changing our behavior, for example, putting ourselves in close situations with members of out groups, we increase our familiarity with these individuals. As we become more familiar with them, we naturally see more individuality and variation within such a group. Not all contact will lead to such attitude changes - it seems the contact is best if structured as encounters among equals who are cooperating to achieve a superordinate goal. But these kinds of behavioral activities are some of the most effective ways to change prejudice.

The operation of naturally biasing processes, such as the illusory correlation and out-group homogeneity bias, when combined with our motivation to view other groups negatively as a way to enhance our own self-esteem, are powerful influences for maintaining stereotypes and prejudice. The desire to change our attitudes plus actual behavioral change on our part can counter these forces.)

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama is unqualified, unelectable and unpatriotic. He's surrounded himself for over twenty years with people who hate America, like William Ayers, Bernardine Dorhn, his "pastor" pals Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pfleger, Meeks, and Moss, Rezko, Auchi, Khalidi, his "cousin" Raila Odinga of Kenya, Africa, Louis Farakhaan, etc....

A person is judged by the company they keep. Obama keeps some pretty anti-American, anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-captialism, company. WHY?????

Wake up America! The Obamarama has been a media driven illusion. Let the long overdue vetting of Obama finally begin.... A day is an eternity in politics, anything can and most likely will happen. Let's raise a glass to the political implosion of Barack Hussein Obama BEFORE the Dems foolishly nominate him in late August. Until then, he's the PRESUMPTIVE nominee. Let's hope the Dems come crawling back and begging Hillary to take the nomination.

If not, it's Hillary 2012 and John McCain 2008. Put your country first and party second. You may disagree with John McCain on some issues, but his patriotism is rock solid. No question about that. Patrotism does matter.

"You must do the thing which you think you cannot do" Eleanor Roosevelt

Posted by: GL | June 30, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama is Frankenstein.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Remember, Racism was NOT done in vain.
the founding fathers did not envision this day comming today... anymore than we envisioned racist being in the minority of European-Americans... er, "whites" anytime in the near future. (btw: by "we" i mean everybody in the whole world -to the extent to which applies).

"In short, the theory of the new racism holds that some blatant forms of racism have declined in recent decades, and the label "racist" has become something that most individuals want to avoid. However, even while trying to avoid the label of being "racist," individuals continue to hold deep, underlying negative stereotypes and feelings toward African Americans and other ethnic minorities. These more hidden stereotypes are symbolized in coded political views that seem to uphold respectable values, but continue to support institutionalized forms of racism. excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
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Posted by: | June 30, 2008 5:45 PM

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You are wrong. All the recent exposure of perceived racist connections does not in any way make Obama a racist.

Posted by: Fineday | June 30, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

But if the brain is so efficient at categorization, why doesn't experience correct inaccurate stereotypes?

Before answering that question, it is important to note that we may not be exposed to very much experience in our daily life that would contradict our stereotypes. For example, residential segregation keeps the home lives of different racial groups separate to some degree. But also, our stereotypes of other groups ("out groups") often lead to feelings of anxiety when we encounter the members of an out group. One of the oldest insights of psychology is that a main way we deal with anxiety is through avoidance: We simply avoid contact with individuals by crossing the street, turning our heads, talking to someone else, hiring someone else for a job, striking up friendships with someone else we feel more comfortable with, sitting down at the lunch table with those who seem to be more like us.

Returning to the question of why stereotypes persist in the face of contradictory experience, we find two main answers. The first is that because stereotypes may help us feel better about ourselves, we avoid challenging these stereotypes. In other words, we become defensive and protective of our worldviews and only reluctantly question our deepest assumptions. And these worldviews help protect not only our self esteem, but also real-world privileges and benefits that accrue to us as members of an in group. For example, racist discrimination by banks that hurts African American communities by limiting mortgages to these areas also benefits White neighborhoods by making more money available to them.

Discrimination which in the past has limited slots available to Jews or African Americans or Asian Americans at universities has benefited the majority population by making more slots available to its members. So, maintaining our prejudiced view of other allows us to feel better about our own group and to avoid challenging unfair social practices that benefit us.

Psychologists have found that we put energy into various mechanisms that help us maintain our view of the world. For
example, we can seek out and pay attention to information that supports our views.

Evidence suggests that the More strongly
we hold a stereotype, the more we tend to remember confirming information about the group. There is a kind of circular process here: For example, the more we believe stereotypes about gay men being effeminate, the more likely we will remember incidents which seem to support these views.

We also discount or rationalize information that is contradictory to our beliefs. The Black person who is intelligent and articulate, the gay man who is not effeminate, or the Jewish person who is not pushy become exceptions to the rule, but the rule remains. And we may look more closely for grammatical mistakes in the Black person's speech than in a White person's; or that the Jewish person is especially clever in working his or her exploitive influence behind our back.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

We Independents and Women will decide this year's Election. We do not like lectures; we all hate people who sold their promises.

Thanks for the lecture


Bitter much? Please tell me why a vote for McCain is not a vote against women's issues and what Hillary Clinton campaigned for.

In your unhinged and deranged bitterness against Senator obama, you have lost sight of the reason why you were inspired by Clinton's candidacy in the first place. You have also decided to blame the wrong person.

But if voting for McCain will soothe your bitterness, prepare for at least two more Supreme Court justices of the Alito/Roberts/Thomas/Scalia mode. You saw how they can be activists in support of the causes they revere, such "finding" an individual right to use a gun in defense of the home. These jurists are on record indicating they believe the constitution does not recognize a "right to privacy", let alone a womans right to reproductive freedom. But if you think voting against Senator Obama proves some kind of point, perhaps you can explain it to your granddaughters.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Good! I just looked at Obama birth certificate. If I see a car sticker or a lawn sign of "Obama for President", I will add Hussein to it with a sharpie. I'm asking Obama camp and fans this permision and will report it on YouTube.

Posted by: K30a | June 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"But in some circles -- and especially among the white, working-class voters he has had the most difficulty with -- the beliefs have become ingrained"

It is the press that says people believe it and keep it going.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama seems to be a patronizing blowhard.

Why does he always have to give these pontifications on every inane subject imaginable.

If these are the tiresome diatribes we have to look forward to for 4 or 8 years, I am stopping my cable subscription to keep his asinine verbage to a minimum at my house.

I do not understand the "rock-star" to groupie status he enjoys with so many. Are some Americans really losing all ability to differentiate BS from brilliance.

Posted by: B O is B O R I N G me | June 30, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the above writers who are aghast at the tenor of the comments provided by readers of this site. If democracy requires an educated electorate to succeed we are in very big trouble. What is the matter with these people?

Posted by: Don G | June 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

So any difference can be the basis of prejudice?

Any difference could be used to make distinctions between groups. But evidence shows that we tend to emphasize those aspects of stereotypes that relate to our most closely held values. For example, if we value intelligence, then we may be quick to see another group as stupid. Or if hard work is valued by a group, then it may label others as lazy. Other values and their corresponding negative stereotypes are: clean/dirty, hones/liar, fair/exploitive, strong/weak, reasonable/emotional, mature/childlike. It seems that one function of stereotypes, or prejudice, is to help us feel good about ourselves and our group by focusing on comparisons with other groups on issues that are most important to our personal and group identity.

There are a variety of mechanisms that we employ to help us feel better about ourselves and our group. For example, we like to believe our group is unique and we tend to overestimate the uniqueness of our good features. But when it comes to our negative qualities, we like to share these with others and, thus, overestimate how widespread these features are among others.

But do all stereotypes represent a way of feeling better about ourselves? Can't we hold stereotypes just because we have limited information or experience?
Yes, stereotypes can develop because of limited information. At the most basic level, stereotypes are related to the basic mental process of categorization. Our brains are very good at forming categories: good versus bad, edible versus nonedible, friend versus foe. Without these generalized concepts and categories, getting through the day would demand an overwhelming amount of analysis and careful consideration of every object and person we came into contact with. Categorization helps us take shortcuts and helps us become more efficient in making decisions and acting.

When a waiter at a restaurant comes t our table with a small pad and pencil, we prepare to give him our order. We don't have to spend much mental effort wondering: "are you our waiter? Can we give you our order?" In recent years, psychologists have been recognizing just how much of this processing takes place automatically without our even being aware that we are doing it.

Stereotypes in the sense of categories and concepts help us organize our thinking, helping us to perceive and remember more than we would without these aids. The problem with the stereotypes about social groups that underlie prejudice is that the categorization processes do not result in accurate generalizations. While the man in the restaurant with a pad and pencil is most probably a waiter, the African American, old, Jewish, gay, disabled, Hispanic, Catholic, Irish, or obese person to whom we apply a stereotype probably does not fit that stereotype as well as we assume.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"As far as Obama being moral, --don't focus on what he says-- just look at who his mother is, she was an atheist.".

Also, his father after divorcing his mother, went back to Africa and had 3 other wives.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd see the day that a presidential nominee would be forced to defend his patriotism. Thank you Karl Rove for your contribution to take elections to the lowest common denominator - and in your case, electing the lowest qualified character. Aren't you proud of your efforts? I'm sick of the phony outrage from the mccain camp. I wish McCain would quit running from the real issues.

Posted by: JDB | June 30, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

to all those people who say we have gained something in Iraq

......what exactly did we gain again?

Or did we end up finding WMD and I just happened to gloss over that bit of news...??

Posted by: pan | June 30, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Why should we keep talking about prejudice and racism - aren't they on the way out? Hasn't there been so much change in society already?
It would be nice if prejudice and racism were on the decline. But it doesn't seem to be that way. A 1990 study found that a majority of Whites rated African Americans and Hispanics as less intelligent than themselves. A majority of Whites also thought African Americans and Hispanics are prone to violence and would rather be on welfare than work. These attitudes are not harmless. These prejudices not only are the basis for individual acts of discrimination, but they also allow people to justify unfair and destructive institutional and corporate practices.
What can psychology tell us about prejudice, discrimination, and racism?
Prejudice and racism are about real power, they're not just something that is in people's heads. Social issues like prejudice are complex and operate at many levels. At one level, issues of economics, political power, and domination are important. But individuals must perceive, interpret, and value differences in these "real-world" factors in order to act on them. Some psychologists have been interested in how people come to define real-world situations in terms of competition instead of cooperation (see sidebar: My team is the best... yours stinks." Psychologist Muzafer Sherif and colleageues created an experiment that demonstrated just how quickly we form alliances within a group against another group and how seriously we take these group differences. The experiment involved 3-week-long group experiences for 11- and 12- year-old boys at campsites in Oklahoma . The boys were initially grouped together and allowed to choose friends freely. Then, the boys were split into two groups: For each boy, about one-third of the new group-mates were part of their old friend networks and two-thirds were new. In a week, the boys changed their friendships so that most of their friends now came from the current group. More dramatically, when the boys engaged in a sports tournament, sportsmanship declined, and the boys ended up in aggressive, angry competition, including physical fighting. Competition was eliminated only after the two groups were asked to work cooperatively on a task o mutual interest [i.e., a superordinate goal]).
In the absence of meaningful power and status differences, individuals seize on the slightest commonality with others to form an in-group and discriminated against outsiders. For example, subjects in one experiment were asked which of two abstract paintings they preferred (Tajifel, 1969). The subjects were then guided to a booth and asked to award points worth money to two people, one of whom had agreed with the subject's choice and one of whom did not. Subjects awarded more points to those who were more similar to themselves on this seemingly trivial preference.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

The fact is none of us know either candidate well enough to make any judgment about them. Instead of looking at what you think you know, look at the policies these two have presented. I really like what Obama has said he will do. But as we all know, no presidential candidate has ever followed through. I'd also like to know where Obama plans to get all this money it will take to implement these policies. I pay enough in taxes as it is. The fact is Obama is extremely liberal. The only that is guaranteed with him as our president is higher taxes and the squeaky wheel will get the oil. The majority of Americans believe in God yet the few were able to get God removed from our school systems. Now, ever since God was removed we've had mass shootings, high increase in dropouts as well as teen pregnancies. Not all this can be blamed on the removal of God, but for us that know the Bible, we were warned over a thousand years ago what happens when God is removed from somewhere He belongs! Be honest with yourself and do your own research before you vote! Good luck and God Bless.

Posted by: bill bailey | June 30, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"Why would a person as patriotic as Obama want us to leave Iraq quickly and give up our hard won gains? Is it an attempt to discredit the Republicans? Or is the reason yet to be disclosed?"

What does patriotism have to do with the wisdom of our Iraq policy? Isn't that the problem?? If you don't agree with the policy, then you hate America? Isn't that in itself, unamerican and tyrannical? Isn't the point of the 1st Amendment of the Constitution to protect the individuals right to disagree with the governent?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama's patriotism is a bought-out nowhereland. It reeks of more poverty for ordinary Americans, more slaughter brought about other peoples.

Posted by: Magnus Göller | June 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Why can't we can disagree with Obama on the issues and agree more with McCain without being called racists, hatemongers and every vile name by the lunatics on the left?"

If you'd take the time to read the posts from countless of your colleagues who support McCain, I believe you'll find that your question answers itself. Incidentally, could you possibly believe that referring to those with whom you disagree as "lunatics of the left" does not qualify as hatemongering? Do you hear what you are saying? Unbelievable! Well, I suppose if you don't have anything intelligent to say, name-calling is about all you've got left.

Posted by: Preston | June 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Re: My advice to Senator Obama

Since you did not listen to my last advice--"Fire Solis Dolye"--I do not have any advice for you, but here' my symbolic gesture for your peace of mind.

Last time Americans were enchanted by your rhetorical eloquence when you defended your decision regarding the Rev. Wright controversy--but not this time. We already know your rhetorical tactics: Each time you are asked by any challenging questions, you always avoid answering the questions directly, instead you mention American Values.

Such tactics, unfortunately, are not consistent with your policy positions or your behaviors: If you think that wearing a flag pin is not an issue, do not wear and stand by your decision. If you do not like taco, do not eat and say you do not like taco.

The more you speak, the more you create mistakes by redefining what you said and reframing what you stand for. Story rings truth only when it has true stories.

We Independents and Women will decide this year's Election. We do not like lectures; we all hate people who sold their promises.

Thanks for the lecture.

Posted by: peace4world | June 30, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Remember, Racism was NOT done in vain.

the founding fathers did not envision this day comming today... anymore than we envisioned racist being in the minority of European-Americans... er, "whites" anytime in the near future. (btw: by "we" i mean everybody in the whole world -to the extent to which applies).


"In short, the theory of the new racism holds that some blatant forms of racism have declined in recent decades, and the label "racist" has become something that most individuals want to avoid. However, even while trying to avoid the label of being "racist," individuals continue to hold deep, underlying negative stereotypes and feelings toward African Americans and other ethnic minorities. These more hidden stereotypes are symbolized in coded political views that seem to uphold respectable values, but continue to support institutionalized forms of racism. excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy - because terrorists are not covered by the Geneva conventions. Those rules are reserved for uniformed, identified by state combatants.

McCain does know this - even though a great portion of America is gullible enough to ignore it.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that cares about either of these clowns knows nothing about America or patriotism for that matter...

Posted by: Kevin | June 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Please get the facts strait at least. Harry Truman's birthplace is Lamar, Missouri. Not Independence.

Posted by: Dirk Diggler | June 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"Americans stand up for the nation our 1 and only God gave to us. America is the great nation because of religious freedom,,,that is Christian religion!!! This country was based on Christian Beliefs and the Bible ONLY!!!!! Not the religious freedom to be Muslim,Buddhist or any other FALSE relgion. Get back to values and family..and put God, The Father and Jesus Christ, the Son first and America will continue to be great..no matter who is our president."

Which Christian Religion is that? Catholicism? Lutheran? Baptist? Presbyterian?

Please, you can't bundle all these faiths together when it's convenient, and then separate them when it's not. And the Constitution, the law of the land, clearly states that Religion shall remain a separate and independent entity from the Government. That's in the same document that cite's God as the binding power of the country. So, before you bring the "Christian Faith is the only faith that matters" argument out, and that "God gave us this great land", remember that we stole this land from the original inhabitants. So get your facts straight, or get out of the conversation.


Posted by: JPuder | June 30, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

If you want to know the "true" Obama, read his books. Here are a few quotes which reveal how he really feels.

From Dreams Of My Father: "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race." "There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs." "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out, and name names." "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

And one of the scariest is from The Audacity Of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Wake up American voters. Obama in the White House equals the destruction of our country.

Posted by: Diane E. | June 30, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

These are the key parts of America racist/sexist subversives undermine - as public officials - daily - in their Judicial orders (subverting belowsaid), in their Legislative activites (...when will we get another "separate but equal" or "patriot" act...), and their Executive schemes (since illegal spying on Americans was happening long before 911, i wonder if the retroactive immunity - for the 'patriotic subversive' Bush/Cheney nazis - covers acts before 911...).

Article. VI. ...This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. ...

Amendment IX. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Amendment XIV.Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratifi ed July 9, 1868. (Note: Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution was modifi ed by Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.) SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Article. VI. ...This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. ...

Amendment IX. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Amendment XIV.Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratifi ed July 9, 1868. (Note: Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution was modifi ed by Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.) SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Wes, Its hard to command troops from a POW camp. However, while there, McCain never wavered in his patriotism, never stopped loving his country. Never attempted to make deals with the enemy - as did some pretty famous leftists - as are some leftists now.

Upon his release, McCain was not quoted as saying, "Finally, I can be proud of America."

McCain refused to be freed before his comrades and spent longer in that hel*hole than was necessary.

That takes courage, sacrifice and commitment.

For a moment, put down your political views and objectively compare personalities.

A man refuses to be repatriated to stay with his buddies - knowing real torture, real hardship and real deprivations are in store for him.

Compare that with a Harvard educated politician who has never faced adversity and has never done anything in his life except be a parasite. Never led, never sacrificed.

Compare that with a Princeton educated millionaire, wife to a presidential nominee, whining about racism.

Excuse me while I puke.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

What I am baffled by is, why is McCane not in favor of the Geneva Convention respecting the right of P.O.Ws since he is the most qualified to appreciate it?

Posted by: Jimmy | June 30, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

obama didn't even wear his Flag Pin till there was a fuss made about.michelle didn't love this country,till they were a fuss made about it.I DO LOVE THIS COUNTRY,I'LL BE VOTING FOR JONH MCCAIN.

Posted by: just-another-sweetie | June 30, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

No one questioned Obama patriotism. He is self conscious that he is perceived as being an unpatriotic figure, that is why he is now trying to wrap himself in American flag, so he can fool the American people.

Btw, we will see how patriotic Americans think Obama is if he becomes president, and he start fighting all of Middle Eastern nations on the part of Israel and Israel people who is backing Obama.

As far as Obama being moral, --don't focus on what he says-- just look at who his mother is, she was an atheist.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

What a phony issue and silly speech.

Obama get to the issues and stop this political posturing all the time.

Posted by: Tired of politics as usual | June 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

"please stop the hate. We all just want the same thing in the end....to keep this country great and to have the right to pursue happiness. Let us remember this in the coming months, for I fear it will only get worse."

The Repukes started the hate over a decade ago. Haters like Junkie Rush Limbaugh spewed vile hatred on the airwaves, unchecked by the long-gone Fairness Doctrine.

The hate on the Dem side is legitimate. Because you have one thing wrong, we all DON'T want the same thing for America.


I tried. Just understand, your hate will only distroy you in the end. Hate never effects change. Things done in hate beget hate.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

i'm a nam vet I just hurt when i think of all the men who gave their life so people could live a free life any religion and political freedom and I see such ignorance being written here.Come on people read the paper workm before you quote it.

Posted by: poppy | June 30, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Personally I don't see why people are wasting time questioning who is more patriotic. Since we are, I agree wholeheartedly with Obama's view that "patriotism is always more than just loyalty to a place on a map or a certain kind of people...but also loyalty to America's ideals, ideals for which anyone can sacrifice, or defend..."

I'm voting for someone who will do something about equality, health care, poverty, and the trillions extra in deficit the war has cost us. These are the issues that any patriotic American should care about.

Posted by: gettingbacktorealpolitics | June 30, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Please, Washington Post, get rid of the reader comment section."

For what good reason? The answer to false speech is not censorship - it is more speech. Please correct the mistakes you find. We will all benefit.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | June 30, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama=exceptionally smart, young, energetic, honest
McCain=average brainpower (2xBush), old, old, honest

Both are politicians and can be expected to pander for votes because we the people demand it.

Obama can turn this sinking ship around if given the chance.

McCain offers 4 more years of continued misery and he could be dangerous as well because he feels being belligerent works.

Posted by: Cleareye | June 30, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

if he's elected, we will be sick of all the how to speeches:
How to not be racist in America
How to be patriotic
How to quit your church although they are family
How to blah...blah....blah

Posted by: kevin | June 30, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse


John McCain graduated in thelower fifth of his Annapolis class. He then wrecked three planes while training to become a pilot and then he was shot down over Vietnam. He spent 5 years as a prisonerof war. As I can commend his service to our country I can't agree that this made him a leader!
I suspect that the only way he got through Annapolis is the fact that both his Father and his grandgather were Admirals.

Posted by: BenOliver | June 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

many Eurasian-Americans can't think of all americans as equal... i heard one tell Greg Fergurson that there's even a difference" between "naturalized"-Americans and her (i.e., she thinks of herself as "white" - probably because of media avoidance of the issue {media meaning Eurasian-American men} or it could be because Europe is NOT a Contenent - by any standard other than eurasian, er Eurocentric...

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Yikes! So is all these phony gimmicks of
Barack Hussein Obama,such as hiding behind
a dozen American Flags,and a Fake Presidential Seal,and suddenly wearing an
American Flag Pin by Pathological Liar
Barack Hussein Obama somekind of part of
how this pathetic clown and arrogant empty
suit Obama the New Democrat Messiah is going to "Re-Introduce Himself" to the voters or is it yet another sign of Obama's
desperation at work here or just more
idiotic arrogant phony baloney BS by the
most inexperience,unqualified Democrat total loser Barack Obama gaffes that Obama
thinks those phony trappings make him to
appear patriotic or what? No Sale Barry!

So when are you military service dodger,
clone for your Draft Dodger Relative VP
Slippery Dickey Cheney going to produce any
proof of military service Obama for us?
The Truth is you can't Obama since you never served a single day in our US Armed
Forces you yellow gutless coward fraud.
NOBAMA!

Posted by: Claudine 1000 | June 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I would be more afraid of Obama's 20 years of being an Evangelical fundamentalist Christian than anything else. Didn't we just spend 8!!!! years with a fundamentalist Evangelical Christian at the helm......let us not forget what got us to where we are at.........There is no doubt about the fact that our government thinks that as "Christians" it is OUR RIGHT to kill thousands upon thousands in Iraq ALL in the NAME OF CHRISTIANITY! There weren't PRAYER MEETINS EVERY!!! morning at the White House for nothing!......My GAWD!, WHAT???? could ALL OF YOU be thinking??!!!! Prayer meetins at the White House while we were torturing, killing, etc, etc. Oh yes, it's the CHRISTIAN way, isn't it......THANK GAWD Mr. Obama is a fundamentalist Christian.....It is such a joke that ANYONE would be worried about his race!

Hillary 2008
Write In.........NOTHING REALLY happens until the Convention!!!......I guess you Obama people DIDN'T quite KNOW that part!!!! There is a reason he is called the "presumtive" nominee......She DOESN'T HAVE to be a Christian, Muslim or anything else for that matter.....she ALSO doesn't NEED to explain herself any more....I'd say SHE has been vetted......

Posted by: librairie | June 30, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Why would a person as patriotic as Obama want us to leave Iraq quickly and give up our hard won gains? Is it an attempt to discredit the Republicans? Or is the reason yet to be disclosed?

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | June 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Questions of patriotism are abstract and hard to measure, prove or disprove in most cases. I'm not talking about people building bombs and screaming, "Death to America." Obama can dispute patriotism, but he has another scandal to worry about now. Men from the Chicago area are coming out saying that they have had sex with him. This is on the internet! I kid you not. Now this will keep him out of the White House for sure. Forget the patriotism crap.

Posted by: dcp | June 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Which religion captured Obama's mind, his heart, and his soul first?

Posted by: Sarah | June 30, 2008 5:27 PM

Just WOW!!!!!

When you go to buy something that costs you $50 dollars or more do you do any research on it? Like what brands are the best. Maybe figure out how long it lasts. Or what the history of this product is?

Yet for your opinion on the POTUS which can cost you well your life... YOU DO ZERO RESEARCH??? He is a christian. He is not some secret closet muslim. His father was an atheist and his mom is a christian. He is a christian. Stick to facts.. quit the smear. Stop being an idiot.

Posted by: TimL | June 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight....Senator Obama is lecturing us on patiotism! Get real!
Anything to win...sporting his flag pin. What a joke he is.

Posted by: charlieb | June 30, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Please, Washington Post, get rid of the reader comment section. There are so many factually inaccurate, inflammatory, offensive, racist and poorly written and reasoned rants above, that the quality of your product is cheapened significantly by their inclusion. Get rid of them!

Posted by: Sarah | June 30, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight....Senator Obama is lecturing us on patiotism! Get real!

Posted by: charlieb | June 30, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Monday Barack Obama said that he will never question others' patriotism during the presidential race. At the same time he sent retired general Wesley Clark to stab Senator McCain in the back and claim McCain had not "held executive responsibility," had not commanded troops in wartime and was not qualified to be president. Hooray for Obama's new issue oriented politics.

Posted by: bob | June 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Bush has made a dog's vomit of the empire. Cleaning it up will be smelly and nasty. McCain won't bother trying; he'll keep on keeping on. The grownups in the Republican party have already figured out that they need to permit a few years of interregnum, hence they're withdrawing their support.

What's left are the nutjob bubbas obsessed with funny sounding names.

Bush and McCain are great advocates for transparency in government. The US will continue to be utterly transparent in its motives under McCain.

So, I hope all the NASCAR dads, peckerwood imbeciles and Lieberman democrats do indeed tip the scales for McCain. Don't let America hide her shining light behind intelligent, nuanced speeches.

No, keep the Limbaugh crowd and Ann Coulter out front as our public ambassadors.

Posted by: roustabout | June 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The ill informed shall always be among us, it is up to those who have the knowledge and interest to find the truth behind rumors to set the record straight. The hate and ignorance that is spilling out of some of the heads and then into words reminds me of the horrid behavior of the persons who would deny a black person their right to drink from the same water fountain as a white person. As one person stated we can hope that those people who continue to believe that Barack is a Muslim, that he does not put his hand over his heart when say the pledge and all the other nonsense will also not bother to vote. Regardless, the fact remains that there continue to be people in our country who would prefer to hate a person because of their color rather than take the time to actually know the truth of a person's history of service to his community and his country. Barack Obama has been working for a better world since he first entered the public arena in Ill. many years ago. I guess that does not account for anything in the minds of those intent on perpetuating the lies and misconceptions of him. I wish I could feel sorry for those rather I feel sadness that racism is still present in 2008 because to me that is what the "smear" is all about. I will cast me vote for a man I beleive is honest, capable and will walk the walk, unlike the current person charged with holding the office of president.

Posted by: grammie | June 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

If Americans still refuse to go along with him, will he throw us under the bus and say we are not the people he knew? Or more likely his leftist friends in Chicago where he saw fit to move Democratic Party operations. These guy is playing the dozens on us, you've been talking about my mama! Don't talk about my mama! But if you say it back, he'll not talk to you because he's above it. I still believe that he isn't that patriotic and wants to install a more leftist government. Only if it's convenient for him of course, he's nothing if not changeable on things.

Posted by: Lynn E | June 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Which religion captured Obama's mind, his heart, and his soul first?

Posted by: Sarah | June 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree with all of you, michelle should just let her natural hair out into an afro.

even racists are descendants of Africa.

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

The news media took General Clark's statement that being a prisoner of war and being shot down does not qualify one for the presidency to be interpreted as to challenging Mc Cain's loyalty.

When will the media and their so call unbiase commentators stop putting spins on the news that they personnally feel.

If one qualify to be president because he was a prisoner of war and was shot down, would that qualify a civilian who was wrongly imprisoned for many years to be qualify to be Governor of the state who inprisoned him?

Posted by: Paul Fung | June 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Those of us born/raised/served in this country are nothing more than Americans. Period.

Correction - we are nothing LESS than Americans.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I am very disheartened by the unwarranted attacks on rednecks. Studies consistently show that rednecks are keenly aware of negative stereotypes propagated by posters, such as Tom3, and feel a deep stigma. Rednecks are deeply concerned that Barack Obama describes them as "bitter" and "typical", fearing that somehow this wussy pantywaist from SouthSide Chicago will value them less than San Francisco liberals.

Despite constant reassurances to the contrary, before the election, that Obama is an enlightened, intellectually-gifted man of honor, rednecks illogically, as a result of their inferior genetics and education, fear that Obama is another Democrat from the city who promises one thing and does another. Studies show that 3 out of 4 rednecks would prefer to have their as* rubbed with a red hot wire brush rather than listen to another Obama lecture. Redneck focus groups have indicated that Obama's bowling game has deeply disturbed them. As an example, one redneck focus group member opined that "my three year old daughter bowls better and is more manly" than Obama. While not confirming that she is manly, a limited study of her bowling game confirmed the suspicion. Repeatedly, rednecks offer that Obama is associated with Starbucks, gay marriage, and the digestive output of bovines. In fact, a majority of rednecks stated that they sensed he had reached his maximum capacity of the same. Further research indicated that rednecks actually believe that Obama is a city slicker, despite constant advertising materials which depict Obama as arugula guy.

However, some progress in developing the redneck vote has been seen, as one subject asked, "Will Obama git us Hole Fuds?"

The challenge for the Obama Team remains to press forward the concept that Obama really is a patriot, a down home sort of guy, the misunderstood urban sort that longs for a country home so he can go back to his "roots."

While posing a significant challenge (hard sell), this advertising concept is being planned for the Obama NASCAR concept vehicle. The Hamburger "Hepper" sponsor will feature Michelle dishing up some of her famous "Five Cheese Lasagna" for the Obama Kids down in the trailer. Future advertising will feature the Obamas trying to scrape together the money for their first trip to WalMart, to get the kids those ballet tights and a new Louis Vitton for Michelle.

As Team Obama progresses in securing the redneck swing vote, final advertising will feature Obama with the six shooter on the duck blind.

Posted by: Redneck AntiDefamation League | June 30, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

response to: (Margaret | June 30, 2008 5:19 PM)

Your post is the reason why Republicans are the minority party in Congress. Religious freedom is religious freedom. Republicans are little bit funny - they love religious freedom until you follow the "wrong" religion. They love freedom of speech until you say the "wrong" thing. Republicans value the Bible over the U.S. Constitution, and that's why they keep losing elections.

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | June 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Shane Merritt | June 30, 2008 5:17 PM

Let's see Shane,

Maybe she said that "This is the first time..."

Because you Republican'ts have been dragging this country through the Mud for decades and she's not that old. You hand the power to Large Corps and constantly take out debt from other countries.

Open your eyes, we are in shambles. And your craptastic party has played by far the largest roll. The sad part is I am a very conservative person in my views... but the Republican't party is utter complete trash and I will never vote for one of them. I would rather go against my own views than vote for someone I know will drag this country even further down the SH1tter.

Posted by: TimL | June 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I understand the importance of challenging my own prejudices, but I can't rally take responsibility for the larger, macro-level institutional racism that you are describing. It's not my fault.

No, institutional racism is not any one person's fault, but it is the responsibility of everyone participating in that system.

It is especially the responsibility of those benefiting from institutional racism.

It is the individual, psychological level of prejudice that allows us to justify the unfairness and destructiveness of institutionalized racism. Individual-level prejudice allows us to justify the outcome of unfair systems ("those people deserve what they get...they're lazy and have to work harder," or even "I don't really care what happens to them"). Challenging our own prejudices at the psychological level then means that we also have to challenge the larger structures of racism in society, as well as the prejudices of other individuals which support those structures. This is why people used to say 20 years ago, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."
Haven't we made progress on racism in this country in the last 30 or 40 years? Some people say we've done enough; it's time to give up thinking in terms of race because that's what's keeping racial divisions alive now.

The argument that racism is over is reminiscent of the notion put forth in recent years that the end of the Cold War has brought us to a period of international stability that represents the "end of history." Or that economic prosperity over the last decade or so reflects the end of the ups and downs of the business cycle. But history continues with its conflicts and wars, and the business cycle does not seem to be exhausted yet. The notion that racism is over in this country is also wishful thinking.

However, there do seem to have been some changes in the form and manifestation of racism over the past decades. Several observers, such as psychologist David Sears (1997), discuss a new version of racism - symbolic, modern, or subtle racism, it is called - which has grown in the place where the old racism used to be.

Sears and others say that the old-fashioned racism of Jim Crow, which used explicit biological theories of White superiority to support legal segregation and discrimination, is indeed gone. But the negative stereotypes and negative emotions toward African American and other ethnic minority groups remain.

Sears' version of the new racism describes a more elusive, political, almost abstract language of race which avoids blatantly negative racist statements in favor of political codewords and symbols. This new racism is partly based on a view of racial discrimination as being outdated and puts the onus of achievement and equality on African Americans and other ethnic minority people.

If African Americans would, for example, stop clamoring for special treatment and simply work harder, they could achieve the American Dream. The idea is that it is African Americans' own deficiencies - whether they be greed, laziness, violence, and so on - that are the cause of their problems, not the history of slavery, segregation, discrimination, prejudice, and racism which is assumed to have come to an end.

The new racism is thought to be most visible in White persons' views on affirmative action, crime, drugs, welfare, teenage pregnancy, and unemployment. Conversations on these topics often are dominated by an unspoken subtext of racial attitudes. Consistent with the theory of illusory correlation, it is often assumed (despite statistics to the contrary) that the majority of persons involved in such activities are ethnic minorities.

Consequently, unspoken racial attitudes shape our definition of such problems and their resolutions. The Willie Horton commercials from George Bush's presidential campaign are an example of the symbolic racist code used to advance political positions. This new racism also integrates racial prejudice and core traditional American values. For example, the values of hard work and moral behavior are though to be violated by stereotypes of African American, Latinos, and American Indians as lazy and violent.

In short, the theory of the new racism holds that some blatant forms of racism have declined in recent decades, and the label "racist" has become something that most individuals want t avoid. However, even while trying to avoid the label of being "racist," individuals continue to hold deep, underlying negative stereotypes and feelings toward African Americans and other ethnic minorities. These more hidden stereotypes are symbolized in coded political views that seem to uphold respectable values, but continue to support institutionalized forms of racism.

excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association Public Interest Directorate

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Shane Merritt, if you are so concered with the Obama lies. What say you about the the Bush lies? The lies that are responsible for the illegal war... Remember those lies? Probably not. Idiot!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"Michelle "let's get whitey" Obama"??

That's another smear and a LIE.

Michelle has never been at the pulpit of that church and she never said that. And there is no tape of her either.

Another Repuke LIE. I think that fat fairy Junkie Rush Limbaugh started that one.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't like that Obama described a discussion on patriotism to be poisonous. Poisonous? Um, no, a discussion on patriotism is valid. Not that these are his intentions specifically, but the American people don't want to be duped into voting for someone who only wants to tear down what has been built. Patriotism is an important question for any candidate.

Posted by: dcp | June 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Two thoughts:

Bush did not bring on 4 dollar gas. Gas doubled after just two years of a democrat run congress. The Madam promised two years ago to do something about gas prices. Well, she did - they are doubled.

Wesley Clark suggested that getting shot down was no qualification for president. Fair enough, Wes - does getting shi*canned from NATO qualify you to comment?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

There is no candidate that represents the quick-fix, push-a-button solutions that millions of arm-chair pundits might like to see without having do to do any work.

Americans together need to do the work. A leader that inspires and mobilizes is the best catalyst we can hope for. It starts in our communities, cities and states...

I think we might all agree at some level that the policies of the past aren't getting it done. The economy, war and the environment are not lifting us higher or taking us to a better place.

There is only one viable candidate that really represents the voices of millions of Americans who are not well-served by governing-as-usual.

Free speech may be the reason for unmoderated posts on this WaPo blog, but there are an amazing amount of insensitive or closed-minded people on here. I hope for the sake of America that this is just a small segment of the people out there.

What do these people imagine the world to look like for their children? I am dismayed by the amount of people who can't evolve to view all human beings as equal and begin discussion and debate from that basic principle.

Posted by: Don Julio | June 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama an American or African? If he wins do we call him a African or an American?

I'm not a African/American or White/American or Mexican/American or anything but American. So why do we have to put some stupid title before American. Those of us born/raised/served in this country are nothing more than Americans. Period.

Posted by: 9th ID | June 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

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Great post. "American History X" is one of the best flicks on racism. You don't have to attend a Klan meeting to be racist. It can manifest itself through attitudes, prejudices, policies, etc. How many times have we heard people say, "Golly, I'm not racist. I have one black friend"?, or "Why isn't there a White History Month?" The world needs more George Carlins, who cuts to the chase about White America. There is definitely a double standard in America. For instance, conventional wisdom says that Obama can't appear to be too cantankerous, for fear of being perceived as an angry Black man. But it's curious. George W. Bush can show the same emotions, and the public thinks nothing of it. It will be interesting to see how many people refuse to vote for Obama, based on his ethnicity. Rightwing-extremists at Republican Texas Swiftboaters for Lies, will probably attack him before November.

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | June 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Americans stand up for the nation our 1 and only God gave to us. America is the great nation because of religious freedom,,,that is Christian religion!!! This country was based on Christian Beliefs and the Bible ONLY!!!!! Not the religious freedom to be Muslim,Buddhist or any other FALSE relgion. Get back to values and family..and put God, The Father and Jesus Christ, the Son first and America will continue to be great..no matter who is our president.

Posted by: Margaret | June 30, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Speaking about black and white, what about racism? Why is it still such a hot issue in our society despite decades of progress?

First, let's define "race." Many definitions of race have been used in the last few hundred years in the Western world, and there remains some confusion about what is meant by the word. According to one definition, a race is a group of individuals who share some common physical characteristics that distinguish them from other individuals in the species. Although member of different races are members of the same species and can breed together, some kind of separation- usually geographic - has prevented them from doing so for some period. During that period, the distinctive differences between the groups emerged. This definition implies that differences between groups are based in biological differences.

Many of the most extreme racist doctrines of the past have been based on the assumption of biological differences between groups. Controversy over these issues, such as whether genetic differences between groups are the cause of group differences on IQ test scores, shill swirls through academic and public debates.

Scientists generally believe that this concept of race - as based on biological differences - does not fit the case of human groups. Biological distinctions are quite minor compared with the commonalties at the biological level. Of the variation in genetic material among humans, only a small part of the variation is accounted for by "racial" group membership. The majority of the variation occurs within groups. Differences in skin pigmentation, facial features, and so on may seem visually significant, but such physical differences between groups represent only a small proportion of human genetic variation.

Instead, "races" are groups with primarily different histories, cultures, and social organizations. The notion of "race," with the underlying assumption of biological differences, is probably not the best way to categorize different groups. But the use of the terms "race" and "racial group" is so common that it is hard to avoid.
If race refers to groups of peoples with different histories and cultures, what is racism?

Racism is based on prejudice toward so-called racial groups. But racism goes beyond simple prejudice. What makes racism so powerful and destructive is that the negative prejudice is the basis for discrimination against "racial groups." The discrimination can take place in the job market, housing market, educational system, health care service system, or some other arena.

What this definition of racism implies is that one group has the power to discriminate against another. For example, in the housing market, discrimination against African Americans leads t greater difficulty renting apartments, taking out mortgages, and buying houses in certain areas. In most instances, White people have not sat down and agreed upon a plan about how to exert power and discriminate against African Americans (although this has happened, for example, in some White neighborhoods where there is fear of African Americans moving in). Instead, it is the biases of individual Whites - who are reluctant to rent apartments or sell houses or loan money to African Americans - that lead to individual acts of discrimination.

These individual acts of discrimination, however, add up and become larger patterns, resulting, for example, in racial segregation in housing. And this racial segregation at the neighborhood level prevents people from different groups form getting to know each other. The lack of contact among groups makes it easy for stereotypes to continue, and , thus, prejudice at the individual level is maintained.

This view of racism a emerging from the action of many individuals is a view of bottom-up racism. But racism can also result from top-down processes, for example, from institutional or corporate policies. Decisions within media corporations about the portrayal of minorities in advertising, television, newspapers, and movies, for example, are top-down decisions, that can result in racial stereotypes persisting at the cultural level. Informal corporate policies and procedures that interfere with minority hiring and promotion can lead to racist employment patterns. It is important to note that it is the power of White individuals, both through individual and institutional decisions, that results in the racism that makes it hard for African Americans and other people of color, for example, to obtain equal housing opportunities. The power of White individuals in this respect is not complete power, but relative power. That is, it is Whites rather than African Americans who are more likely to make decisions about mortgages as loan officers in banks; or Whites rather than African Americans who are more likely to own rental property in higher socioeconomic areas.

The relative power of Whites is based, in part, on racial differences in educational systems, job markets, and wealth, which result in Whites' being more likely to attain positions which allow them to have higher incomes and to control corporate and public resources. And, like the housing market, the educational and employment arenas embody their own complex webs of racism: Individual prejudice and acts of discrimination add up to form larger, institutional patterns of racism, which then reinforce the individual level of prejudice.

The point is that racism is a complex, interlocking mechanism at many levels of society. Racism in the different spheres of society - work, home, education, government, media, religion - is interwoven. Racism in one area cannot be understood without understanding the racist patterns in other areas. In addition, in each area, racism at the individual or micro-level cannot be understood without taking into account the racism at the institutional or macro-level. And, to make it more complex, the specific forms and assumptions of prejudice and bias will vary for different ethnic minority groups based on the history of contact between minority and majority groups. As a result, different ethnic minority groups will vary in their positions of marginality in society.

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Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The Repukes use smear tactics because they cannot win on the facts or their record.

According to these inbred morons, Obama is simultaneously a radical Muslim AND a radical Christian.

According to these redneck Repukes, Obama refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance or put his hand over his heart. There is video of him doing both on the Internet, but the Repukes persist in spreading this LIE.

When all the lies and smears are done, Obama will still win. He's clearly the better man and he won't be four more years of failed Repuke policies.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

It's kind of funny that one of the first posts was criticizing "McSame" for not being able to speak without a teleprompter... I thought this clip spoke volumes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU&feature=related).

As far as the reality of this article, if Obama has ALWAYS loved this country so much, then why did Michelle "let's get whitey" Obama say that for the first time in her life she's proud to be an American. Generally people with such different world views would not get along (unless one of them is hiding something). Or is it simply a case of someone who will do or say anything to get elected will go as far as not only lying but trying to use every ounce of psychology possible to get an edge. Hmmm- let me give my speeches in towns like "Unity" and "Independence", after all he's a man of rhetoric and slogans not actual substance and experience. And how on earth did the DNC come to realize after 143 days of service as a Senator that he was qualified more than anyone else in the country to be president?

Posted by: Shane Merritt | June 30, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sick of people using "you" when describing the crap thats wrong with this country. Im 28 years old and a former Marine, and I personally have done noting to botch up this countries reputation or debt or whatever. I'm just trying to make a life for myself.

Posted by: smokestak | June 30, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love these Republican'ts

They can't use any real factual data against Obama so they make stuff up.

"He's a secret half-Muslim Jew-hater who is going to illegally migrate his African family"

Or

I won't vote for him because he sneaks a smoke every once in awhile!!!

Then you move into the ejumicated Republican'ts who still vote for bush... that "hussein obama"... Wow you are sure created Obama sounds like Osama.. and Hussein is the same Dictator the US put into power when it was convenient and then removed when we had a false, illegal agenda.

Gotta love the Republican'ts... They are all the ultra rich big business and the half retarded, drooling idiot americans who seem to have a hard time understanding the meaning of words in their own language.

Posted by: TimL | June 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

John Mc Cain, Bush, and Cheny are members of a wicked gang of neocons who have damaged the economy of this country and started unnecessary wars that cost us billions of US$ and thousands of the lives of our young and brave soldiers. They have lied to all Americans about WMD in Iraq and unfortunately got us stuck in a quaqmire with no way out in the near future.Nobody can trust or tolerate such wicked clowns for another presidential term under any circustances. The proper place for John Mc Cain is a suitable oldman house, not the White House nor even the Senate.

Posted by: SAM | June 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The old saying is "actions speak louder then words", and it only been words when looking for some evidence of action from Obama!

Come on! Nothing in his background offers any sense that he's the best person for the job with the economy and foreign policy!

Posted by: theaz | June 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The Karl Rove smear ship is launching again. Maybe it won't be called "SwiftBoat" because that would be too obvious, but another word will do and will have an "-ing" on the end. The results will be the same. Smears in the name of the mother country. The gullible will believe. There are too many who will not search for truth but will let the blogs "inform". Bottom line is that the Rovian Mercenaries will be out in force to inject doubt on any matter. All of this is fueled by the Texas oil cartel. They brought us the original "Swiftboaters", mercenaries to the last. Ironically they thought they were patriots.

Posted by: sd-mouth | June 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"Oh boy, I'm so proud of my low-class, beers-willing ways and I got my gun. Church is the best cure for my weekend hangovers and besides, I can REpent for beating up my wife. I am afraid of the darkies and the muslims and this "boy" is both. Ass-whooping/taking over/etc., etc."

I live in rural America. Trust me, this stereotype is entirely based in fact.

White trash Repuke rednecks really DO live this way. When they're not making moonshine or screwing their sister, they're cooking up a batch of meth.

Oy gevalt!!

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Is everybody prejudiced? Are some people more prejudiced than others? If so, how do they get that way?

It would be hard to imagine being able to undo all the layers of conditioning- the internalized messages from our families, social groups, and culture (e.g., media) about our group and other groups. But it does seem that individuals with certain personality traits seem to demonstrated higher levels of prejudice toward other groups. One study found that children who were rated as "high bias" at 6 years of age showed differences from "low bias" children as early as the age of 6months (Katz & Barrett, 1997). The infants who later were rated as "high bias," for example, paid less attention t the race of adults who came in and out of the room than the children who were later rated as "low bias." This difference was noted at an age that predates the assumed influence of parents on children's ideas and prejudices and points to the possibility that personality differences may lead some persons to be more prejudiced than others.

While commonsense may suggest that parents' specific attitudes toward other groups directly influence their children's views, studies have not shown this to be the case. But parents do seem to play a role. For example, in the study just mentioned, the high bias children lived in more socially homogenous environments than the low bias children, and their parents did not value diversity as highly as "low bias" children.

Social dominance orientation (SDO) is a recently developed concept which focuses on individuals' attitudes toward intergroup relations. Individuals with a high social dominance orientation (SDO) are thought to believe that hierarchical relations are necessary and natural and prefer their group is on top, as opposed t an orientation which prefers equal relations among groups. Individuals high in SDO tend to be political conservatives and to have higher levels of sexism and racism (Pratto et al., 1994).

I understand it's important to deal with prejudice, but it makes me nervous talking about it.

Dealing with this issue is anxiety provoking. And the anxiety is a signal that we have to keep dealing with it. In addition to encouraging avoidance of unfamiliar others, anxiety may play another role in maintaining the psychology of prejudice. Anxiety may play another role in maintaining the psychology of prejudice. Anxiety generally interferes with our more complex and subtle thought processes and motivates us to resolve a situation quickly. For example, anxiety prompts the fight-or-flight response. Both responses-fight and flight- imply a hierarchical view of an encounter: Either I'll fight the other and try to come out on top or I'll give up and run away and avoid being dominated. When anxious, we tent to return to primitive, simplistic and automatic thoughts and behaviors, such as dichotomous thinking characterized as all-or-nothing, us-versus-them, win-or-lose, or black-and-white. It is in this kind of thinking in terms of dichotomies that stereotypes thrive.

(sidebar: "But I am a fair person... really!" One experiment [Darley and Gross, 1983] showed that prejudice can affect our judgments of others even when we are careful to try to be fair. Subjects were given the task of evaluating the academic performance of a fourth-grade girl. When subjects were told only that her socioeconomic status [SES] was high or low, they generally expected her to perform at grade level, although some said they did not have enough information to form a judgment. Knowing that people should not act on their stereotypes of others, then, seemed to prevent these subjects form being discriminatory. But when they watched a videotape of the girl performing some academic work, subjects who were told she came from better-off circumstances rated her as doing better than did subjects who thought she came from a low SES situation. So, trying to be fair is not enough to counter the unconscious influence of our prejudices.)

(sidebar: Does your personality make you prejudiced? In adults, individuals with an authoritarian personality appear to have high levels of negative prejudices about other groups. An authoritarian personality describes a person who views relations between individuals or groups in terms of hierarchy-control from the top, obligations due from the bottom-and not primarily in terms of open, mutual exchanges among equals. Authoritarian personalities emphasize control, rules, and discipline.)

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Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if we can find a pic of Obama being chumy with Pablo Escobar?

That would roughly be the same time period when he was hitting the sauce "experimenting" pretty hard.

Posted by: Longtime DC Resident | June 30, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again.......
Barack Hussein Obama is trying to recreate reality again.....But we americans that love our country know about Barack's intimate relationship with his religious leader Jeremiah Wright and we remember the videos of their explosive celebration after the vicious attack on America by muslims on 9/11.

Here we go again.......
Barack Hussein Osama is trying to recreate reality again....But americans know and have seen photos of Barack refusing to wear a flag pin and respect the flag and constitution of the United States of America.

Here we go again.......
Barack Hussein Osama is trying to recreate reality again....But we americans can be fooled once, twice, but we can not be fooled all the time; and we will vote for John McCain a true patriot that risked his life for America.

Here we go again.......
Barack Hussein Osama is trying to recreate reality again....

Posted by: Manolete | June 30, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Here we have the economy tanking, an unnecessary war in Iraq, and a worsening war in Afghanistan, and we are talking about promises to quit smoking. GIVE ME A BREAK!
Posted by a Maggot | June 30, 2008 5:05 PM

= = = = = = = = = = = = = =

You're exactly right, we're talking about PROMISES as well as truth, commitment, strength, honesty and setting an example for America's youth. Cigarettes killed more Americans just last year than the past 50 years of wars.

Posted by: Mary | June 30, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"so if the current president is so patriotic, why did he f..k up the country?"

"The country is not f'd up, you apparently are though and right where the lib dem Socialist party wants you...what a maroon."

No, YOU are the moron, you idiot Repuke.

Latest poll says 81% of Americans think the country is f*cked up. EIGHTY-ONE percent.

81% of Americans are sick of the way Chimpy and you stupid Repukes have been f*cking up our great nation.

Go f*ck yourself, Repuke.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Chevy and Mattie are offensive and what I like to call bad white people. If there actually were black racists, you would be the stereo-type they caricatured:

"Oh boy, I'm so proud of my low-class, beers-willing ways and I got my gun. Church is the best cure for my weekend hangovers and besides, I can REpent for beating up my wife. I am afraid of the darkies and the muslims and this "boy" is both. Ass-whooping/taking over/etc., etc."

Oy. Please....

Posted by: Brad | June 30, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing what a magnet this thread is to ignorance, hate and irrelevance. Someone asked, "Why should I vote for Obama". My answer: read Ted Sorensen's new book: "Counselor". It demonstrates the needed qualities of a president that foster "country first, public service, compassion, intelligence and open-mindedness", traits we have seen a dearth of for far too long.

Posted by: flaggy | June 30, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

So, even if we wanted to, it would be impossible to change our prejudices?

Not impossible, just difficult. And it's not enough to want to change our attitudes. The surest route to changing attitudes is changing behavior (Pettigrew, 1977). Although that might sound backward, research into attitude change has shown it to be true: Our attitudes follow our behavior.

By changing our behavior, for example, putting ourselves in close situations with members of out groups, we increase our familiarity with these individuals. As we become more familiar with them, we naturally see more individuality and variation within such a group. Not all contact will lead to such attitude changes - it seems the contact is best if structured as encounters among equals who are cooperating to achieve a superordinate goal. But these kinds of behavioral activities are some of the most effective ways to change prejudice.

The operation of naturally biasing processes, such as the illusory correlation and out-group homogeneity bias, when combined with our motivation to view other groups negatively as a way to enhance our own self-esteem, are powerful influences for maintaining stereotypes and prejudice. The desire to change our attitudes plus actual behavioral change on our part can counter these forces.

It sounds like a lot of work. Is it okay to harbor stereotypes if I just keep them to myself and treat everybody the same anyway?

The problem with keeping our own prejudices to ourselves and just trying not to act on them is that stereotypes influence us even when we do not realize it. Several psychological experiments have shown this quite clearly. In one (Bargh and Chen, 1996), subjects were given a long, boring task on a computer screen. Before each trial, a White or Black male face was shown on the screen so quickly that the subject did not have conscious awareness of the image. When an error message flashed and the subject was told he or she would have to begin the task again, those subjects (White) who had been subliminally shown a Black face showed more hostility than those who had been shown a White face. Our emotional reactions are so automatic that we do not even have to be aware of the stimuli that provoke our prejudices.

However, just because stereotypes can operate automatically and outside of awareness, that does not mean that there is nothing we can do about them. Keeping prejudice and stereotypes to ourselves is not a good way to deal with them. One of the best things to do is to confront them - to push through the anxiety we feel about being prejudiced and racist and discuss these issues honestly with others. Groups like the National Coalition Building Institute have designed ways to discuss these issues in ways that members of different groups talk about their personal experiences and thoughts about their own group and other groups. APA's program of Conversations on Race represents another forum in which these topics can be broached. We list these groups and others, as well as other things people can do to counter prejudice and racism in "Ten Things You Can Do" later in this publication.

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not a patriot.

He wants to release all of Al-Qaeda operatives detained in G'tmo and put them under house arrest, or probation while they are given a civil trail.

He ran on a platform to defund the war, but I guess that would make him an anti-patriot so he's continued to vote for the war.

He voted for FISA.

He is a cokehead which emboldens drug cartels in Colombia and Mexico whose violence is putting in danger our national security.

Posted by: Obama in'16 | June 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't the lib dem Socialist master of the universe Bubba a Sociopath criminal rapist impeached disgraced sexual deviate. isn't that what he is? Bubba Clinton, the sexual deviate chronic lying bastard.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Repukes are psychotic. Their elevator doesn't go to the Reality floor.

They scream that Obama is a radical Moslem.

Then they scream Obama is a radical Christian.

Which is it, morons?? It cannot be both.

Please pick one LIE or the other and try to stick with it.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

So stereotypes persist because we want them to?

That's one answer. But the second answer to the question of why stereotypes persist despite contradictory experience has to do with how we think in general- what psychologists call our cognitive processes. While the brain is a powerful information processor, it is not perfect. The brain operates in a way to achieve probable accuracy, not perfect accuracy, and certain kinds of errors or "conceptual illusions" are preferred over other errors

(see sidebar: Optical Illusions of the Mind. The illusory correlation phenomenon is an example of how our mental processing can play tricks on us [Jones, 1997]. The illusory correlation refers to our tendency to believe that two things are more highly correlated [or associated] than they actually are. This illusion is based on our tendency t notice things more when they are rare or infrequent. In contrast, we become habituated to -or take for granted-things that are common. Consider the situation in which the same small percentage of minority group members and majority group members have some negative characteristic such as mental retardation. The infrequency of the negative characteristic and the infrequency of the minority group members will lead us to the illusory belief that a higher percentage of minority group member have the negative characteristic. So, we interpret our experience as telling us that the minority group actually has a higher percentage of mentally retarded individuals that the majority group. We notice the minority group members because they are infrequent, and we notice the mentally retarded individuals because they are infrequent, and we tend to believe the two are related more strongly than they actually are.)

(Do they all Look alike?
Out-group homogeneity is another psychological mechanism that reinforces our stereotypes about other groups. We tend to perceive other groups, "out groups," as more homogenous than our own group, or "in group." We see members of other groups as less variable, clustered closely around one standard profile. While we see members of our in group as having a lot of variation in behavior, looks, and personality, we tend to see members of an out group as having little variation. In other words, we come to view these other persons less as individuals and more just in terms of their group membership - and actually just in terms of our stereotypes about the group characteristics. This process may be what leads to embarrassing situations that occur when we confuse members of an out group with each other and have trouble differentiating them in terms of what they said, what the look like, or even their names.

By changing our behavior, for example, putting ourselves in close situations with members of out groups, we increase our familiarity with these individuals. As we become more familiar with them, we naturally see more individuality and variation within such a group. Not all contact will lead to such attitude changes - it seems the contact is best if structured as encounters among equals who are cooperating to achieve a superordinate goal. But these kinds of behavioral activities are some of the most effective ways to change prejudice.

The operation of naturally biasing processes, such as the illusory correlation and out-group homogeneity bias, when combined with our motivation to view other groups negatively as a way to enhance our own self-esteem, are powerful influences for maintaining stereotypes and prejudice. The desire to change our attitudes plus actual behavioral change on our part can counter these forces.)

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Posted by: stephen | June 30, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I see a lot of angry republicans...because they know, as we all do, Obama just decimated John McLame's chances at becoming POTUS. Let this speech hit the cable networks, and McSame will be fleeing the country in his new taxpayer funded Boeing 737.

Posted by: Joe Jackson | June 30, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Wesley Clark's comments were on the relevance of McCain military experiences to presidential decision making; they were not aspersions on McCain's patriotism. Why the insistence on interpreting them in the latter way? Clark has brought up a legitimate question. Does a young man's bravery and courage in war necessarily prepare him to make the high-level strategic assessments and decisions required of a president? I fail to see why this should be accepted as given. We need a debate on this issue.

Posted by: Esther Weil | June 30, 2008 4:21 PM
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But it was OK for the Kennedy Years, that all we heard...remember?? P-T Boat sank and he saved fellow shipmates... Thats ok because the Obama campaign keeps comparing him to JFK. As to your question, look at it this way..although McCain was but a fighter pilot, he has the knowledge of military combat operations, planning and execution this doesn't make him a master planner but, at least his has the concept of military operations. What does Obama have? I would much prefer a CINC have the "concept" of military operations of the US Armed forces compared to 2 years in the senate and the infamous "he'll learn as he goes along"...which do you prefer??????

Posted by: Frank58 | June 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

One for starters, just has to look at his buddy William Ayers standing on the flag and realize this is a legitimate question of Obama regarding his skew patriotic values!

Posted by: theaz | June 30, 2008 4:56 PM

**** Amd this more important than conservatives sending 4,000 troops to die in an unnecessary war? Again, desperate conservatives looking to swiftboat an opponent to cover their humongous failures.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"so if the current president is so patriotic, why did he f..k up the country?"

The country is not f'd up, you apparently are though and right where the lib dem Socialist party wants you...what a maroon.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Funny how the Repukes completely ignore Chimpy's legendary coke, weed and alcohol abuse, that went on for decades.

But Obama tried coke and weed in high school and college and put it down.

And you'll hammer him for that while giving Chimpy a free pass.

You Repukes are disgusting nut cases.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 5:04 PM


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Exactly bro. As if one coke head in the Oval Office isnt enough to screw the coutry, you now want to elect another coke head to ruin it even more.

You say "experimented for 7 years with coke and weed", I say, "7 years is a lot of time experimenting."

Posted by: There's an Obama is in my kitchen, whatcha Ima gonna do? | June 30, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

hey chevy! i think it's time us rednecks did the right thing. we all need to sign up and go to iraq and get this thing done and over. i'm gonna ask dick cheney if i can have his lapel pin so's i can show i'm a patriot. maybe he can give me shootin lessons so i can be a marksman when i get over there. are you in?

Posted by: tmac1945 | June 30, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

But if the brain is so efficient at categorization, why doesn't experience correct inaccurate stereotypes?
Before answering that question, it is important to note that we may not be exposed to very much experience in our daily life that would contradict our stereotypes. For example, residential segregation keeps the home lives of different racial groups separate to some degree. But also, our stereotypes of other groups ("out groups") often lead to feelings of anxiety when we encounter the members of an out group. One of the oldest insights of psychology is that a main way we deal with anxiety is through avoidance: We simply avoid contact with individuals by crossing the street, turning our heads, talking to someone else, hiring someone else for a job, striking up friendships with someone else we feel more comfortable with, sitting down at the lunch table with those who seem to be more like us.
Returning to the question of why stereotypes persist in the face of contradictory experience, we find two main answers. The first is that because stereotypes may help us feel better about ourselves, we avoid challenging these stereotypes. In other words, we become defensive and protective of our worldviews and only reluctantly question our deepest assumptions. And these worldviews help protect not only our self esteem, but also real-world privileges and benefits that accrue to us as members of an in group. For example, racist discrimination by banks that hurts African American communities by limiting mortgages to these areas also benefits White neighborhoods by making more money available to them. Discrimination which in the past has limited slots available to Jews or African Americans or Asian Americans at universities has benefited the majority population by making more slots available to its members. So, maintaining our prejudiced view of other allows us to feel better about our own group and to avoid challenging unfair social practices that benefit us.
Psychologists have found that we put energy into various mechanisms that help us maintain our view of the world. For example, we can seek out and pay attention to information that supports our views. Evidence suggests that the More strongly we hold a stereotype, the more we tend to remember confirming information about the group. There is a kind of circular process here: For example, the more we believe stereotypes about gay men being effeminate, the more likely we will remember incidents which seem t support these views.
We also discount or rationalize information that is contradictory to our beliefs. The Black person who is intelligent and articulate, the gay man who is not effeminate, or the Jewish person who is not pushy become exceptions to the rule, but the rule remains. And we may look more closely for grammatical mistakes in the Black person's speech than in a White person's; or that the Jewish person is especially clever in working his or her exploitive influence behind our back.

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Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

John McLame is NOT a patriot.

He supports Chimpy's attacks on the Constitution. The signing statements. The Unitary Executive theory. The Patriot Act with snoop-and-poop. The warrantless wiretaps.

And McLame voted FOR torture. Just last February.

No, McLame is NO patriot. He's just another fascist Repuke traitor like Chimpy and all the rest.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Check out this hilarious parody of Obama's volunteers denying 2 Muslim women seats behind the podium at a rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOgrdrjWKdk

Posted by: Cat | June 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad to see a Muslim can be patriotic.

Posted by: HankTheCat | June 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Lack of intelligent conversation capabilities is a key symptom of die hard Republicans. When your brain is wired conservative at birth, you can no more change your point of view or open your mind to reality than the proverbial zebra can change it's stripes. So in the face of overwhelming proof of the fiscal and moral bankruptcy that is modern day conservative thought - why you change the subject to rally the troops - against immigrants, gays, people with funny names, it doesn't matter. The real arguments for conservativism have all been heard in the 1980's and are so weak they can no longer withstand debate.

Posted by: Hiendurance | June 30, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

So any difference can be the basis of prejudice?

Any difference could be used to make distinctions between groups. But evidence shows that we tend to emphasize those aspects of stereotypes that relate to our most closely held values. For example, if we value intelligence, then we may be quick to see another group as stupid. Or if hard work is valued by a group, then it may label others as lazy. Other values and their corresponding negative stereotypes are: clean/dirty, hones/liar, fair/exploitive, strong/weak, reasonable/emotional, mature/childlike. It seems that one function of stereotypes, or prejudice, is to help us feel good about ourselves and our group by focusing on comparisons with other groups on issues that are most important to our personal and group identity.

There are a variety of mechanisms that we employ to help us feel better about ourselves and our group. For example, we like to believe our group is unique and we tend to overestimate the uniqueness of our good features. But when it comes to our negative qualities, we like to share these with others and, thus, overestimate how widespread these features are among others.

But do all stereotypes represent a way of feeling better about ourselves? Can't we hold stereotypes just because we have limited information or experience?
Yes, stereotypes can develop because of limited information. At the most basic level, stereotypes are related to the basic mental process of categorization. Our brains are very good at forming categories: good versus bad, edible versus nonedible, friend versus foe. Without these generalized concepts and categories, getting through the day would demand an overwhelming amount of analysis and careful consideration of every object and person we came into contact with. Categorization helps us take shortcuts and helps us become more efficient in making decisions and acting.

When a waiter at a restaurant comes t our table with a small pad and pencil, we prepare to give him our order. We don't have to spend much mental effort wondering: "are you our waiter? Can we give you our order?" In recent years, psychologists have been recognizing just how much of this processing takes place automatically without our even being aware that we are doing it.

Stereotypes in the sense of categories and concepts help us organize our thinking, helping us to perceive and remember more than we would without these aids. The problem with the stereotypes about social groups that underlie prejudice is that the categorization processes do not result in accurate generalizations. While the man in the restaurant with a pad and pencil is most probably a waiter, the African American, old, Jewish, gay, disabled, Hispanic, Catholic, Irish, or obese person to whom we apply a stereotype probably does not fit that stereotype as well as we assume.

excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama had me/us (along with $150) and then lost us with his latest cigarette scandal. Is it petty? Some would say so however to us it speaks volumes of the man's character, strength, honesty and will power not to mention self respect. Obama not only made a promise to his wife, but to all of America of his commitment to quit smoking, and it was only after being CAUGHT that he admitted he's been smoking all along and living a LIE.

Posted by: Mary M | June 30, 2008 5:01 PM

*** Here we have the economy tanking, an unnecessary war in Iraq, and a worsening war in Afghanistan, and we are talking about promises to quit smoking. GIVE ME A BREAK!

Posted by: Maggots | June 30, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

James so naively wrote

"I am so angry and appalled at the postings questioning Senator Obama's patriotism. On what basis are they forming their questions? Oh, I know - his name and his father's religion."

Actually I think the basis is his flip flopping on lapel pins, being fatherless he found father figures in Communists and Marxists, a White-America hating wife, not respecting the country on a few occasions during the national anthem (here's the video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o), let's see, an anti-capitalism agenda and an overall elitist attitude when it comes to average Americans...

Please, anyone, continue

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

John (Juan) McSame...you've just been served by Barak Obama.

Posted by: Playa | June 30, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

You should probably get the quote right. Michelle Obama said for the first time she is "really" proud of her country.

Posted by: Suzy | June 30, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Funny how the Repukes completely ignore Chimpy's legendary coke, weed and alcohol abuse, that went on for decades.

But Obama tried coke and weed in high school and college and put it down.

And you'll hammer him for that while giving Chimpy a free pass.

You Repukes are disgusting nut cases.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama had me/us (along with $150) and then lost us with his latest cigarette scandal. Is it petty? Some would say so however to us it speaks volumes of the man's character, strength, honesty and will power not to mention self respect. Obama not only made a promise to his wife, but to all of America of his commitment to quit smoking, and it was only after being CAUGHT that he admitted he's been smoking all along and living a LIE.

Posted by: Mary M | June 30, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Why should we keep talking about prejudice and racism - aren't they on the way out? Hasn't there been so much change in society already?
It would be nice if prejudice and racism were on the decline. But it doesn't seem to be that way. A 1990 study found that a majority of Whites rated African Americans and Hispanics as less intelligent than themselves. A majority of Whites also thought African Americans and Hispanics are prone to violence and would rather be on welfare than work. These attitudes are not harmless. These prejudices not only are the basis for individual acts of discrimination, but they also allow people to justify unfair and destructive institutional and corporate practices.
What can psychology tell us about prejudice, discrimination, and racism?
Prejudice and racism are about real power, they're not just something that is in people's heads. Social issues like prejudice are complex and operate at many levels. At one level, issues of economics, political power, and domination are important. But individuals must perceive, interpret, and value differences in these "real-world" factors in order to act on them. Some psychologists have been interested in how people come to define real-world situations in terms of competition instead of cooperation (see sidebar: My team is the best... yours stinks." Psychologist Muzafer Sherif and colleageues created an experiment that demonstrated just how quickly we form alliances within a group against another group and how seriously we take these group differences. The experiment involved 3-week-long group experiences for 11- and 12- year-old boys at campsites in Oklahoma . The boys were initially grouped together and allowed to choose friends freely. Then, the boys were split into two groups: For each boy, about one-third of the new group-mates were part of their old friend networks and two-thirds were new. In a week, the boys changed their friendships so that most of their friends now came from the current group. More dramatically, when the boys engaged in a sports tournament, sportsmanship declined, and the boys ended up in aggressive, angry competition, including physical fighting. Competition was eliminated only after the two groups were asked to work cooperatively on a task o mutual interest [i.e., a superordinate goal]).
In the absence of meaningful power and status differences, individuals seize on the slightest commonality with others to form an in-group and discriminated against outsiders. For example, subjects in one experiment were asked which of two abstract paintings they preferred (Tajifel, 1969). The subjects were then guided to a booth and asked to award points worth money to two people, one of whom had agreed with the subject's choice and one of whom did not. Subjects awarded more points to those who were more similar to themselves on this seemingly trivial preference.

excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

and how does the healer of souls, hussein obama, display his great patriotic zeal. well he went to all 57 states.
oups 57 states? that is the number of islamic states.
never mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Check out this hilarious parody of Obama's volunteers denying 2 Muslim women seats behind the podium at a rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOgrdrjWKdk

Posted by: Cat | June 30, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

so if the current president is so patriotic, why did he f..k up the country?

Posted by: muslit | June 30, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Some interesting Comments/Rants going on here. Listen -- Some people will never find facts for themselves; these people will listen to the rumors, maybe even make up a few of their own based on rumors they have heard. Why? I don't really know why, I just know it to be so. The good news is, these same people who are not motivated enough to find facts on their own and rely on rumors, likely are not motivated enough to stand in line on Election Day either.

Some will; good for them for making the effort.

For those of you that do, but have never ran objective fact checking your self (That is where you research opposing view points for facts and take away all the hype, this leaves you with a pretty informed view of reality) remember that you are putting the lives of every American citizen at risk by voting uniformed. I don't care if you support John McCain or if you support Barack Obama, know why, don't just 'think' you know why.

That is patriotism right there. Going to the voting both on Election Day and casting an educated, well informed, well thought out vote, for anyone.

I try to be objective when I read/listen to news. So much of it is garbage now days, you have to use your brain and think for your self to get any value out of it. It makes me sad. But my objective thinking has brought me to the conclusion that:

1. John McCain is a patriot. He loves his country. Even with all the less then perfect things he has done, he loves his country and would proudly continue to serve it.

2. Barack Obama is a patriot. He loves his country. Even with all the less then perfect things he has done, he loves his country and would proudly continue to serve it.

This makes me happy. So patriotism is not really an issue for me, because I am convinced that both candidates love America. Yes I do support one of these candidates over the other, because of what I 'know' about each of them. No, I am not going to tell you which of these to I support, that would defeat the purpose of this post. So let's talk about their differences on policy.

Energy? Infrastructure? Education? Economy? Military Strength? And most important... Where will we be in 2012?

We only get four years at a time folks; let's use it wisely. Please!

Posted by: Wes Shell, Rapid City, SD | June 30, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The press questions, for the sake of a salacious story, his patriotism. Even tho his history indicates he has american blood running thru him. Once the press proclaims he is being questioned, then the good sheeple follow suit and begin to question. Thus the self-fulfilling prophecy is complete. He has worked to better America, whereas McCain has sucked of his wife's multimillionairre teat, yet his patriotism is questioned. If the fat and happy fundies here saw a committed, patriotic american, they wouldn't recognize it because it would look nothing like them. Look in the mirrow soulsuckers!

Posted by: tourist | June 30, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Remember, Racism was NOT done in vain.

the founding fathers did not envision this day comming today... anymore than we envisioned racist being in the minority of European-Americans... er, "whites" anytime in the near future. (btw: by "we" i mean everybody in the whole world -to the extent to which applies).


"In short, the theory of the new racism holds that some blatant forms of racism have declined in recent decades, and the label "racist" has become something that most individuals want to avoid. However, even while trying to avoid the label of being "racist," individuals continue to hold deep, underlying negative stereotypes and feelings toward African Americans and other ethnic minorities. These more hidden stereotypes are symbolized in coded political views that seem to uphold respectable values, but continue to support institutionalized forms of racism. excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse


Good Grief!

Conservative Americans with their extremist nationalism would have made GREAT Nazis!

Sorry guys, but unquestioning nationalism is NOT patriotism. Liberals love America enough to want it to be better, and conservatives love it like a cult. They are dangerous. I'm much more in tune with Obama's sytle of *actual* patriotism - love of country.

Posted by: zzz1204 | June 30, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

One for starters, just has to look at his buddy William Ayers standing on the flag and realize this is a legitimate question of Obama regarding his skew patriotic values!

Posted by: theaz | June 30, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Here's is my new nickname for Obama:

Barak "Tony Robbins" Obama

With so many "INSPIRATIONAL" speaches, he'll make mad bank after the presidency, or after the general election.

There isnt an issue he wont deliver a speach on. Race, religion, patriotism . . .wow!

Posted by: Obama in'16 | June 30, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I dare McSame to give a similar speech. Too bad McSame can only read from a teleprompter like his idol Bush, and still messes up.

Posted by: Playa | June 30, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

what is he trying to cover up?

Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | June 30, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"please stop the hate. We all just want the same thing in the end....to keep this country great and to have the right to pursue happiness. Let us remember this in the coming months, for I fear it will only get worse."

The Repukes started the hate over a decade ago. Haters like Junkie Rush Limbaugh spewed vile hatred on the airwaves, unchecked by the long-gone Fairness Doctrine.

The hate on the Dem side is legitimate. Because you have one thing wrong, we all DON'T want the same thing for America.

Democrats want the Constitution, the Rule of Law, the Bill of Rights, Habeas Corpus, and actually go fight the terrorists in the country they are actually IN, not an unrelated country 500 miles away.

Repukes want the government in your bedroom, inside your body, listening in to your cell phone and reading your emails without a warrant, "detaining" you without an arrest warrant in a gulag without due process but with plenty of torture.

Repukes don't want to keep this country great. Repukes want your job to go offshore. They want our environment to be destroyed for short term profits. They want to deliberately destroy the middle class and turn us into serfs.

And what is really psychotic, most Repukes are not rich and they want to do all this bad stuff to THEMSELVES. Sick sick sick.

The Repukes are just evil racist bigoted haters.

I hate them because they're unAmerican traitors to the Constitution and everything this country stands for.

And damn it, that's a white-hot righteous FURY and entire legitimate.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Even though I don't really care for Obama I will admit it was a great speech and it makes some very good points about what it is to be a patriot. For those of you that can't respect this speech or bash him for other thing like a pastor (things that are out of his control) you're just a RACIST!!!

In regards to McCain, I respect his service in the military and his service to our country as a Senator but that doesn't mean he is qualified or the best option to be President.

In my opinion both parties have it wrong and neither has been in touch with the American people for a long time. Unfortunately these are the only options we have right now. What this country really needs is a TRUE INDEPENDENT to lead us out of this mess that BOTH parties have put us in. One of our greatest Patriots was an INDEPENDENT, his name was George Washington. If you know anything about our countries history you would know that thing could have turned out a lot different if it wasn't for him and his INDEPENDENT thinking.

At this time in history that's exactly what we need, but what we get is the same old same old and the only person to blame is yourself. If you continue to be divided over STUPID issues you will destroy this country. Our forefather would be ashamed.

Posted by: True Patriot | June 30, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Holy cow, the lack of intelligent conversation here is staggering. I would guess that, unless that the ratio of obviously inflammatory posts vs. thoughtful critical posts improves, no one who actually cares about the thoughts of other people will be reading these discussions.

I find it interesting that the article describes patriotism as "one of the lowest hurdles a politician faces." It might be a basic hurdle (as in, it is impossible to elected if you are deemed unpatriotic). But because it is so basic, it is incredibly easy to do enormous damage with a credible, sticking charge of non-patriotism. So a "low hurdle" wouldn't be a good analogy. Patriotism is like defense - you can't let up or show any gaps, because every time you let one attacker through, you let through a goal or a touchdown or a home run.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

What scares me the most is that there are actually people who believe in the republican party after the BUSH crisis!!! It's an open wound for the world to see and yet you morons keep drinking the kool-aid! A true republican who believes in true republican values should be outraged at what the party has become. Wake up!!!

Posted by: Think First | June 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I am so angry and appalled at the postings questioning Senator Obama's patriotism. On what basis are they forming their questions? Oh, I know - his name and his father's religion. Boy that is sure enough proof to question his patriotism. How stupid are these people. They are so stupid that I hope they do no vote for Senator Obama. Who needs bigots and idiots. Stay ignorant; stay with your prejudice. By the way when are they going to question Senator McCain's patriotism? McCain the hot dog who crashed an expensive jet; McCain who said he did not appreciate his country until he was captured by the N. Vietnamese; McCain who was treated in special ways that the other POWs weren't; etc. No, McCain is lily white and has the 1st name John. How many of these so called paragons of patriotism follow in their father's footsteps? Do you belong to the same religion as your father? Do you like the name given to you by your parents? Now tell me, no matter the answer to the above questions, what does this have to do with patriotism? What a phony argument. I could respect people - yes even die hard racists - who have the gumption to at least be truthful about their feelings. The reason that Senator Obama's patriotism is being questioned is due to the color of his skin. I have lived long enough to witness several presidential primaries and general elections. Never. I repeat never have I seen a candidate's patriotism questioned. What is different? Oh, I know, we have someone who is of mix parentage, but who by dint on at least one drop of black blood is called a black man. That's o.k. - as a black man I'm proud of Senator Obama and all that he has accomplished. Too bad that you, you racists folks, can't open your mind to differences among people and to know that differences does not necessarily connote something bad.

Posted by: James | June 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

You American conservatives go on and on about patriotism and the American way that John Mccain is going to protect. You conservatives squeal about how liberties and freedoms are going to somehow disappear with the election of Obama. Meanwhile you have 50 million with no health care, nearly 20% of children living under the poverty line, your infrastructure is falling apart to 3rd world standards (I visit quite often), you have alienated yourself from the rest of the world, you have to mortgage your house for a university education, your infrastructure is beginning to look 3rd world like, and your currency will soon be less than the paper is printed on due to the enormous debt you have amassed. Much due to your insistance that corporations have all the rights of a citizen or that is is wrong to give someone a leg up.

Meanwhile my kid goes to great schools, I have as many or more freedoms than you do, I have health care, we have little or no poverty, our roads are second to none, our crime rates are the lowest in the world, free university, we have an open and thriving private sector, our currency is stronger by the day, and I will probably live three or four years (on average) longer than you. I can even buy a gun if I want.

All this for 32% income tax rate (a few less trips to Walmart).

Look I love a lot of things about the USA but Americans have been conned into thinking that having a large military and being patriotic makes a nation or member of that nation great. Taking care of your children and elderly, educating your kids and making them safe, truly protecting people's freedoms, say a lot more about country.

Hey at one time we learned a lot of these things from you. From a true European fiscal conservative....Lycka till!

Posted by: FIscal Eurocon | June 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain is the guy who lost the Republican nomination to BUSH in 2000. he is even worse than what we started with. I like black people, I like white people. why not get someone who is both to run our country, not some cenile old man who lost his chance 8 years ago

Posted by: Toddski doodle chimpo | June 30, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Chevy: Yo is welcom. I am RN BSN gun-totin, (bitter) Redneck, Church goin gal from Pa. I am so sick of all of the Obamabots. You CAN tell the ones that only play their X boxes, and what ever. Boy are they in for a rude awakening when the Muslims take over.

Posted by: Mattie | June 30, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Racist Barry Obama is nothing more then an empty suit with ties to the Farrakhan church of hatred and ties to the Chicago underworld e.g. Resko to name one.

I promise this racist empty suit will never be elected by white america for a couple reasons.

Barry Obama holds America in contempt and refuses to wear an American flag and cross his heart during the pledge of alligiance.

His racist wife is a proven hater of white people.

I've lost family fighting for that flag and if i ever get my hands on this racist pimp I'll give him a good ole-fashioned redneck azz whoopin.

Chevy - Educated - Beer drinkin, skirt chasing, NASCAR loving Redneck"
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I, and my military husband, find you offensive, sir. You are not the only person to have sent or lost a loved one to this woefully misbegotten war; but your opinion does not reflect us all. I acknowledge that you have the right to express yourself but you do not have the right to subject me to discrimination by way of your criminally ignorant comments, which serve only to lump the good in with the bad. People like you are only part of the problem.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if McCain and Obama turn their backs on the flag if they are talking to someone about actually resolving the issues that are dragging this country down. If someone could prove that the fumes from burning Old Glory would get 50mpg, we'd be a nation of happy flagburners.

Posted by: Gimmeabreak | June 30, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

actions speak louder than words, obama what have you done?

Posted by: Dwight | June 30, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

McCain is correct in pointing out Obama's lack of principle - like the 'i could no more disown him than i could disown the black community' fiasco...
.. but McCain (regardless of his admirable adoption and lovely young wife) appears to be rooted in the princible behind racism.

"What is racism?
Racism is racial prejudice that has been incorporated into the activities and procedures of major institutions, corporations, social systems (such as those related to housing, education, and health), and other arenas of major social activity (such as politics, the media, finance, and banking). Racism serves both to discriminate against ethnic minorities and to maintain advantages and benefits for White Americans. excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"But he has found himself tripping over one of the lowest hurdles a politician faces, the issue of his patriotism."

I find it amusing that Weisman equates Barack Obama being vilified by false internet and right-wing attacks with "tripping over himself." You're not tripping when you're being dragged down by a doberman. I won't repeat the good explanations of patriotism expressed elsewhere here; all I know is that if military service were a litmus test a whole lot of us (like Dick Cheney and Bill Kristol) would be running for the hills.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Fun is fun, but I really do not recommend getting on the Washington Post website to threaten an "azz whoopin" if you ever get your hands on a standing Presidential candidate.

Threats are taken quite seriously these days.

Posted by: TM | June 30, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"Damn right Shawn, you hit that one straight on, just like the way CHIMPY hits that baggie of cocaine."

There, fixed your typo.

Obama tried coke. He admitted it.

Chimpy had a coke HABIT. He never admitted it. He got busted and did community service for coke.

Chimpy had a drinking problem. He reluctantly admits it. He got at least 2 DUI's we know of, although his goons did a good job of trying to delete the records.

Chimpy had an AWOL problem. He will never admit it. And he's gone to great lengths to see that his only unedited military records (in the Texas Archives, the Pentagon ones are scrubbed) never see the light of day. And he made sure Dan Rather got slapped down for bringing it up.

Repukes live in glass houses. They shouldn't get stoned.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 4:42 PM

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He "tried" it through high school and college?

That is an awfully long time "trying" out a drug, dont you think? He tried it for 3 years of high school, and 4 years in college? 7 years? Um yeah, buddy.

I guess Obama's "experimentation" with drugs is aking to Bill's definition of "sex."

Posted by: 761-091 | June 30, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Only a braindead illiterate Repuke would try to say the Dixiecrats were ever representative of the Democratic party.

It was always an uneasy marriage of those rednecks and the intelligent Democrats from the North.

Then Reagan came along with his Southern Strategy in 1980 - thinly veiled racism - and ALL the white Southern Democrats instantly became Repukes.

Those are YOUR people, not ours.

Repukes lose again.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

wingnuts LOVE to see this- they don't want to talk about how Republicans have brought us economic ruin, $4 a gallon gas, and lied us into a needless war. No, let's talk about mindless, meaningless BS like flag lapel pins.

Don't know why the Post continues to let its "journalists" write this garbage- maybe writing about the issues is too much work?

this article is the equivalent of TMZ for politics

Posted by: this is BS | June 30, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I thought about writing an anti-Obama posting until I starting reading all of your postings. I have to say it is sad. The hate and venom from both sides is very very disturbing. Everyone of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Clearly we on the right and those of you on the left do not agree but, it seems to have gone far beyond that. It is as though we all want to see distruction of the other side. Remember we are all Americans and opposing viewpoints are what make this country great. Really do any of you want to live in another country where we might not be so free to convey our opinions? It is not, agree to disagree but, agree that the opposition has the right to oppose you and sometimes, just maybe, they make a point that brings you both together.

I do not agree with Mr. Obama, I will not vote for him but, I do not hate him, I do not wish him ill and I do not want to call him names. I beg you all, express yourselves, disagree but, please stop the hate. We all just want the same thing in the end....to keep this country great and to have the right to pursue happiness. Let us remember this in the coming months, for I fear it will only get worse.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Everyone of you negative slobs is simply angry that a true patriotic and inspiring candidate comes from a party that is not your own. Stop believing the lies!! Stop falling prey to people who want to PUT YOU DOWN so they can make more money! Stop trying to break our country into 2 hate-filled groups!!!!

Maybe everyone here should take a page out of Obama's book and work towards the positive. What did Obama so? Defended his OPPONANTS war record. DEFENDED. Bi-partisanship at it's best...exactly what this country needs.

Go home and do something productive instead of hating a candidate who is trying to fix the economy, fix the war, and fix the state of our nation, our world, and the people in it.

Posted by: sick of you all | June 30, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tom3, whats the number of your dealer in DC? I hear Obama is looking for some.

Posted by: Obama in'16 | June 30, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm . . .

Obama's classmates used to call him "Barry"

We have our own "Barry" in DC Politics. Marion Barry, aka "MAYOR FOR LIFE"

Both were/are coke-heads.

COINCIDENCE?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And we also have another coke head in the White House now, do we really want another?

Posted by: Longtime DC Resident | June 30, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Damn right Shawn, you hit that one straight on, just like the way CHIMPY hits that baggie of cocaine."

There, fixed your typo.

Obama tried coke. He admitted it.

Chimpy had a coke HABIT. He never admitted it. He got busted and did community service for coke.

Chimpy had a drinking problem. He reluctantly admits it. He got at least 2 DUI's we know of, although his goons did a good job of trying to delete the records.

Chimpy had an AWOL problem. He will never admit it. And he's gone to great lengths to see that his only unedited military records (in the Texas Archives, the Pentagon ones are scrubbed) never see the light of day. And he made sure Dan Rather got slapped down for bringing it up.

Repukes live in glass houses. They shouldn't get stoned.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

What is prejudice?
Simply put, prejudice is bias. Prejudice refers to the negative opinions, judgments, beliefs, and feelings we hold about individuals because of their membership in certain groups or categories. When these negative views lead us to act in certain ways toward these individuals and groups, the result is discrimination.

excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate
Racial prejudice is one form of prejudice. Racial prejudice is prejudice that is based on membership in racial groups. The issue of whether humans are grouped into "races" naturally, or whether "race" is a concept which we use to categorize people but which has no scientific basis, is addressed below.

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I can't decide to vote for. Why should I vote for Obama?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

And BTW Libbies

It took a WHITE-WOMAN to create the first Black presidential candidate!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

You can't make this crap up it's so good.

The entertainment value I get from the lill ObamaBOTS is priceless.

it's like playing with a baby, can get em to do anything.

Their little temper tandrums are priceless as well

Chevy - Educated Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

the parts of the Constitution of the United States of America that Racists and house negroes (who probably would've gladly worked for hitler to lock up jew -as they do for the discriminating justice department and racist State institutions) DARE NOT READ:

Article. VI. ...This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. ...

Amendment IX. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Amendment XIV.Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratifi ed July 9, 1868. (Note: Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution was modifi ed by Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.) SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I did not read the entire article but apparently by reading the comments here Obama must have made one hell of a speech because the Chevy's of the world are coming out in full force. You see, that happens each and everytime Obama gives a speech that has so much substance that they don't know how to react so instead they make comments that could be those of a 5th grader.

Duh, Chevy, et al - don't get mad just because the man says something you agree with, instead join in with the rest of us and do the right thing - VOTE FOR OBAMA! You know you want to - and voting is "secret" we won't tell your friends - promise. Now, be a man and DO THE RIGHT THING!

Posted by: Kathy5 | June 30, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"Obama = Kerry = Dukakis = Carter"

Carter had a plan to make us energy self sufficient. So Obama's in good company.

Here's one for you:

Chimpy = Poppy = Reagan = Nixon = Hitler

The Repukes ARE the Nazi Party in America.

They prove it every day by screwing working Americans and torturing brown people.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 4:36 PM

**********

That would be correct, except that Southern Democrats were the most racist of all back when the Civil Rights Acts was being pushed down their throats by LBJ.

Republicans supported it.

So how about,

Obama = Kerry = Dukakis = Carter = Stalin = Mussolini = Ghenghis Khan

Posted by: Obama in'16 | June 30, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Who would / has Hamas, Al Qaeda, Iran, Hugo, Castro, Euro Socialists, America's enemies, street punks and gang members, Illegals, Black Liberation Activists, Communists, Islamic Jihadists, Farrakhan, endorse and gladly vote for?

Guess...take a wild guess.

In fact the lib dems would be more than happy to let any and all vote..remember all votes count no matter who or what.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"He could have worn the flag pin - yes its a small thing - but all political gestures, no matter how small, are calculated and nuanced."

I live in DC, and I am sick of the flag pin. You see the most heinous acts committed by people wearing the flag pin.

I'm proud of Obama for refusing to pander with a stupid lapel pin.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"I am just so sick of Republican smear tactics. It's refreshing to hear a Politician keeping the focus on the issues.

But don't worry, Republicans will find a way to continue the Character Assassination campaigns like they *always* do because the facts are not on their side. All they can do is lash out in anger because anger is all they have."

--------
Amen, brother.

Posted by: lmnop | June 30, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"Who would/has Hamas, Al Qaeda, Iran, Hugo, Castro, Euro Socialists, America's enemies, street punks and gang members, Black Liberation Activists, Communists, Islamic Jihadists, Farrakhan, endorse?

Guess...take a wild guess. GUESS! YES!! OBAMA he's our man."


It's unfortunate, but many repugnant characters seem to think Obama would be good for their pathetic movements. This is a first in an American Presidential campaign.

Posted by: We are in trouble | June 30, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't have any patriotism to defend. He simply is playing the system, race card, minority, "man of change". He is a phony, anyone with three brain cells can see it. Most likely he will win, drive gas to $7-8 a galleon, push the unemployment to about 10% and drive interest rates to 15%. Jimmah Carter the second, total loser. The only real difference is that Obama and his weasel crew will allow the terrorist to hit us with a dirty bomb. Yup, we deserve him ok.

Posted by: Steve4 | June 30, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

It looks like most of the people are idiots that have a post on this story. Do you really want a communist in the White House? The man (Barack Hussain Obama) wants to turn this country over to our enemy's. in other word to roll over and play nice. This all the environmental wack jobs the the title of doctor pushing a farce like global warming ant the "tax the hell out of the people" how work for a living Democrats in the House and Senate. We need another Ronald Reagen to fix the mess we are in not another Democrat like Slick Willy that actually put us in a recession. Under George Bush we have not done everything correctly but it is better than under Slick. The media including this paper have wanted the economy to go into recession so George Bush would look bad but When Bill Clinton ran us into an actual recession not a peep out of this or any other rag or media outlet. People go back and read the history of communism understand what it says and you will see that Obama is or believes in the principles of the communist manifesto. STOP AND THINK ABOUT IT before his buddy's fly more airplanes into our buildings.

Posted by: Darryl | June 30, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"Obama = Kerry = Dukakis = Carter"

Carter had a plan to make us energy self sufficient. So Obama's in good company.

Here's one for you:

Chimpy = Poppy = Reagan = Nixon = Hitler

The Repukes ARE the Nazi Party in America.

They prove it every day by screwing working Americans and torturing brown people.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

In short, the theory of the new racism holds that some blatant forms of racism have declined in recent decades, and the label "racist" has become something that most individuals want to avoid. However, even while trying to avoid the label of being "racist," individuals continue to hold deep, underlying negative stereotypes and feelings toward African Americans and other ethnic minorities. These more hidden stereotypes are symbolized in coded political views that seem to uphold respectable values, but continue to support institutionalized forms of racism. excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Vote ObOOma for Higher Taxes, Queer Parades, and YO YO MAMA music in every kids IPOD

Posted by: Big Duke | June 30, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Damn right, hick. Now you're getting it.

Posted by: Shawn | June 30, 2008 4:31 PM
***************

Damn right Shawn, you hit that one straight on, just like the way Obama hits that baggie of cocaine.

RIGHT ON BROTHA!!!

Posted by: My name is Shawn and I am intellectually superior to anyone else | June 30, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Racist Barry Obama is nothing more then an empty suit with ties to the Farrakhan church of hatred and ties to the Chicago underworld e.g. Resko to name one.

I promise this racist empty suit will never be elected by white america for a couple reasons.

Barry Obama holds America in contempt and refuses to wear an American flag and cross his heart during the pledge of alligiance.

His racist wife is a proven hater of white people.

I've lost family fighting for that flag and if i ever get my hands on this racist pimp I'll give him a good ole-fashioned redneck azz whoopin.

Chevy - Educated - Beer drinkin, skirt chasing, NASCAR loving Redneck


Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

African Americans are among the most sophisticated voters in America! If the only reason why Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee is because of his race, then Al Sharpton, Carol Mosely Braun, Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisolm, etc. all of which have run for President (and all are Black), would have won the Democratic Nomination for POTUS a long time ago. Think About!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"What is racism?
Racism is racial prejudice that has been incorporated into the activities and procedures of major institutions, corporations, social systems (such as those related to housing, education, and health), and other arenas of major social activity (such as politics, the media, finance, and banking). Racism serves both to discriminate against ethnic minorities and to maintain advantages and benefits for White Americans. excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see the equivalent of U.S. Code Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter III, Part II, Paragraph 315 enacted for printed news media.....

Posted by: GTD | June 30, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

So Obama was against the Bush economic stimulus plane before he propsed his own economic stimulus plan?

WHAT A WAY TO BUY VOTES!

I want my $600 check Obama, send it to me and you get my vote, because in your view, votes can be bought!

And after I get the check and I vote you into office, I will welcome you taxing the owner of my company up his A55 that he will be forced to lay me off.

YAY!!!

GO, GO, GO OBAMA, GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: w00tness | June 30, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't the Post require an IQ test before you can post here? That way, people like Chevy, and all the other 75 IQers wouldn't have a forum for their stupid ranting. People like him make me weep for this country.

Posted by: Sharon | June 30, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

By subverting equal protection and advocating the subversion of equal protection, RACISTS (and sexists) subvert our Constitution of the United States of America... more pursuant to al-queda goals than the goals supreme Law of this land pursues.

I wonder if McCain and his supporters believe that either you're for us or against us?

They are either for the Constitution of the United States - in its entirety AS IS, or they want to Amend it in accordance with Article 5, or they want to subvert the Constitution and our nation for their racist use.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

This is worth a double posting it's that good!!

And BTW Libbies

It took a WHITE-WOMAN to create the first Black presidental candidate!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

You can't make this crap up it's so good.

Chevy - Educated Redneck


Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

This is worth a double posting it's that good!!

And BTW Libbies

It took a WHITE-WOMAN to create the first Black presidental candidate!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

You can't make this crap up it's so good.

Chevy - Educated Redneck


Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

So, where's that fine ignorant crowd of "Swift-Boaters"? It's too bad that
it's the single-minded and most myopic
Republicans who are choosing to really
go after Senator Barack Obama and his
wife Michelle for showing their so-called
lack of American Patriotism. At least Michelle Obama isn't a like Cindy McCain who has the known prospensity to steal from the coffers of the charities she sits on. Also, there's more pill-popping done at her end than at Michelle's. The Republican storm-troopers should take
a real good look at what they are continuing to do to their party, that is,
making it the laughing stock which it has become.

Posted by: Jet-Man | June 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Redneck Defense League wrote: "Ohh, we stagger under your superiority. Awesome Shawn."

***************

Damn right, hick. Now you're getting it.

Posted by: Shawn | June 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Yuri Lipitzmeov

You are an idiot. Playing the typical liberal race card. You disagree with the Messiah Obama and you are a racist. Yuri are a fool Yuri.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting to note how many posters talk condescendingly about the "stupidity" of Gen. Clark and Obama. I'm sure the posters have much better credentials:

Wesley Clark: Four star General, Valedictorian at West Point, National Merit Scholar, Rhodes Scholar, Supreme Allied Commander Europe/NATO, Presidential Medal of Freedom (the highest civilian award in the United States)

Barack Obama: Columbia University graduate, magna cum laude graduate Harvard Law School, President of Harvard Law Review, Sr. Lecturer of Constitutional Law at University of Chicago Law School, Illinois State Senator, United States Senator

Posted by: TM | June 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Chevy's been drinkin' moonshine and nailin' his sister again.

Make up your damn mind already... is Obama a radical Moslem or a radical Christian??

You Repukes keep claiming both, and that obviously isn't possible.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama could have avoided this whole scenario by leaving his church when the anti-American, racist rants began - rather than waiting for a politically motivated moment to force him to leave. He could have worn the flag pin - yes its a small thing - but all political gestures, no matter how small, are calculated and nuanced. He was making a statement and America heard and disapproved of the statement. Now, of course, he is playing the time honored leftist card when they get caught - the victim card. Some how there is something wrong with America - not Obama.

That seems to be the overriding theme of his campaign. Vote for me - or you are a racist. Vote fro me - or you are an ignorant rube. Do not question me - ever.

Pretty lame. America is just not that stupid, Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Redneck is a slang term for farm people that were not smart enough to graduate highschool. Instead, they spent all their time from age 12 drinking moonshine and working the fields. The hot sun beating on their necks, making it burnt and red.

Hence: Redneck

The term basicly means that you are dumb. Alot of dumb people don't know this, so they welcome it with open arms. Just like white people don't mind being called cracker, we don't know exactly what it means, so we don't care that you call us it.

Rednecks should stick farming, and leave the thinking to the highschool graduates.

Posted by: Redneck Defensive league | June 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to Obama to answer that rumor-mongering and swiftboating with yet another eloquently nuanced, inspiring speech.

Posted by: Patrick | June 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

In short, the theory of the new racism holds that some blatant forms of racism have declined in recent decades, and the label "racist" has become something that most individuals want to avoid. However, even while trying to avoid the label of being "racist," individuals continue to hold deep, underlying negative stereotypes and feelings toward African Americans and other ethnic minorities. These more hidden stereotypes are symbolized in coded political views that seem to uphold respectable values, but continue to support institutionalized forms of racism. excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama = Kerry = Dukakis = Carter

Posted by: There's an Obama is in my kitchen, whatcha Ima gonna do? | June 30, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The only way lib dem Socialists win any election is by buying votes..high tax and redistribute.

They have no plans, no solutions. Buy votes. That is their moto and means to win...disgusting.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Nothing anyone says here will convince those who hold opposing views. That being the case, let me attack the posters directly. Obama haters are narrow-minded, racist, knuckle-dragging, reactionary imbeciles. There I've said it. I will not listen to any more political nonsense. I've made up my mind and I know who I am going to vote for. The rest of you can go F yourselves.

Posted by: Yuri Lipitzmeov | June 30, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama should take this stuff head on. He needs to be aggressive and stand up to the whisper campaign.

This personal sabotaging of him is all the Republicans have, all they can do, as they are out of sync with the public on almost every issue.

It is sad to to read so many of the previous posts who only offer, spew, vile hate and insults. There are so many posts that are based on racism and bigotry.

This campaign will fan the flames of the worst aspects of our culture as the Republicans try to take down Obama. They are going to, out of desperation, turn to slime and sleaze.

Many of you seem to say that voting for Obama is not an option. That he is racist or a fraud or the anti-christ.

People educate yourself.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | June 30, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"I know how to spell at least".

Can you spell more than at least?

1300. Wow. Good enough for a mediocre college.

Obama's kids will get enough prep school, 'good ole boy' connections, and endowment contributions to go to a 'good' college.

You'll be amazed at what you learn when you graduate.

Team Obama. I are a college graduate.

Posted by: Pseudo Intellectuals | June 30, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

obooma is a typical leftist who preaches immorality, perversion, and the acceptance of all that is polluting society.

Mccain seems out of touch, but at least would defend America.

There is no freedom without defense.

Obooma and the other perverts should take their "you're racist blah blah" comments to san fran and have another queer parade. Those do sooo much good for the country....

Posted by: Big Duke | June 30, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Good one, douchebag. Way to prove you're in high school and that's as far as you'll get.

Posted by: Shawn | June 30, 2008 4:25 PM
***********

Hey Shawn, what your offended now? Delicate flower that you are.

Yeah maybe I'll never get past high school, but at least I wont end up being some EMPTY SUIT pundit who declares himself intelectually superior than all of America.

What a waste people like you are for the country.

Posted by: 761-091 | June 30, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

And BTW Libbies

It took a WHITE-WOMAN to create the first Black presidental candidate!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

You can't make this crap up it's so good.

Chevy - Educated Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

What racist in America DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW (for plausable deniability's sake):

"What is racism?
Racism is racial prejudice that has been incorporated into the activities and procedures of major institutions, corporations, social systems (such as those related to housing, education, and health), and other arenas of major social activity (such as politics, the media, finance, and banking). Racism serves both to discriminate against ethnic minorities and to maintain advantages and benefits for White Americans. excerpt from what was Written by ...At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

First Obama goes to Unity, then to Independence. At the rate he changes his positions, I'm guessing he won't be visiting my town this year...

Xavier, Hones(t)dale PA

Posted by: XavierP | June 30, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

What shameful comments Senator Obama got from the haters after his remarks in Independence. He paid homage to the great opportunities that were offered him by this country and praised veterans like myself for their service.

I wonder how many of the Obama haters have given any service to their country. We are in for some rough time unless we work for a carbon-based energy company. I hope we at least get better leadership than we've gotten for the last eight years.

Robert P. Koontz
Major, USMCR (Retired

Posted by: Robert P. Koontz | June 30, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama's plan to take care of high oil prices...tax the oil companies and give it to people that can't pay their bills....brilliant.

Typical Socialist plan..Pitiful. What an idiot.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey 761-091: if just "reading" a speech off a teleprompter is SOOOOO easy, how come the Dolt in Chief manages to slaughter words and grammar with such abandon? How come St. John the Senile looks like he's passing a kidney stone?

Posted by: bklyndan | June 30, 2008 4:23 PM
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I know how to read off a Telepromter, so I guess that makes me qualified to be President. As long as those ideas are not mine and I have hundreds of staff and speachwritters writting my speach, I think I would make one great President because I OWN THE TELEPROMTER!

IN COMMUNIST RUSSIA, THE TELEPROMTER OWNS YOU!

Posted by: 761-091 | June 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

What shameful comments Senator Obama got from the haters after his remarks in Independence. He paid homage to the great opportunities that were offered him by this country and praised veterans like myself for their service.

I wonder how many of the Obama haters have given any service to their country. We are in for some rough time unless we work for a carbon-based energy company. I hope we at least get better leadership than we've gotten for the last eight years.

Robert P. Koontz
Major, USMCR (Retired

Posted by: Robert P. Koontz | June 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

761-091 zinged: "I bet your SAT scores sucked ballz, you commie bastard."
*************

Good one, douchebag. Way to prove you're in high school and that's as far as you'll get.

Posted by: Shawn | June 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

ObamaBOTS are morally, culturally and intellectually superior to you and we're winning, redneck.

Posted by: Shawn | June 30, 2008 4:18 PM
************

I bet your SAT scores sucked ballz, you commie bastard.


I think 1300 is pretty good, I know how to spell at least.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

What's Obama talking about? McCain hasn't done and won't do anything but take hits such as what the "Little General" (Wesley Clark) did today, trying to shoot down the Republican candidate and his patriotic credentials. Except for creating a mess in what should be Serbia, what did the "Little General," a friend of Bill Clinton, ever do? As for McCain, his "Mr. Milktoast" reaction was pathetic. His patriotism was ridiculed and he mumbled on about "gas prices," etc. If he can't take the heat - and give it back - he should get out of the kitchen pronto. Wake up, RNC, and put a real Republican in there!

Posted by: Larry R. Lugnut | June 30, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Just reiterating the best post so far:

GOP Republican McCain-Bush Have Many Many Many Crisis To Answer For...

McCain-Bush III Democracy Crisis
McCain-Bush III American People Crisis
McCain-Bush III U.S. Constitution Crisis
McCain-Bush III Barrel of Oil Crisis (Democrat $24 changed to GOP Republican $145)
McCain-Bush III GOP Republican Wall Street Oil Speculation Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street Super-capitalism cannibalistic Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street selling America to Saudi Arabia Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street selling America to India Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street selling America to China Crisis
McCain-Bush III Iraq War Crisis
McCain-Bush III Relations with Iran Crisis
McCain-Bush III Relations with North Korea Crisis
McCain-Bush III Relations with China Crisis
McCain-Bush III Healthcare Crisis
McCain-Bush III U.S. Economics Crisis
McCain-Bush III U.S. Employment Crisis
McCain-Bush III Out Sourcing American Jobs Crisis
McCain-Bush III Auto Industry Crisis
McCain-Bush III Energy Crisis
McCain-Bush III Overseas Tax Haven Rich Tax Avoidance Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wage Gap Crisis
McCain-Bush III Lack of Employees' Rights Crisis
McCain-Bush III Dubious War on Drugs Crisis
McCain-Bush III Education Crisis
McCain-Bush III School Shooting Crisis
McCain-Bush III GOP Republican Drug Money Laundering Crisis
McCain-Bush III GOP Republican Drug Cartel Kickbacks Crisis
McCain-Bush III Prime Time Soft Pornography Crisis
McCain-Bush III GOP Republican Wall Street Mad Cow Crisis
McCain-Bush III Poison Water Crisis
McCain-Bush III Poison Air Crisis
McCain-Bush III Poison Agriculture Crisis (Asia won't accept our food)
McCain-Bush III Rich GOP Republican Treasury Robbery Crisis
McCain-Bush III American People Lack Confidence in Government Crisis
McCain-Bush III World Chaos Crisis
McCain-Bush III Food Price Crisis
McCain-Bush III Global Warming Crisis
McCain-Bush III Disasters in America Crisis
McCain-Bush III Katrina Crisis
McCain-Bush III Racist Talk Radio Crisis
McCain-Bush III Racist O'Reilly and Fox News Crisis
McCain-Bush III Housing Crisis
McCain-Bush III U.S. Dollar Crisis
McCain-Bush III Deceptive Administration Crisis
McCain-Bush III Negative World Perception Crisis
McCain-Bush III Iraq War Crisis
McCain-Bush III Iraq War Crisis
McCain-Bush III Iraq War Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street selling American Big Banks to foreign billionaires Crisis giving foreign sweatshop billionaires direct votes in Our Economy, Way of Life and Government

Clearly it's time for CHANGE.
OBAMA '08!!

Posted by: This is what you'd get with McCain | June 30, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey 761-091: if just "reading" a speech off a teleprompter is SOOOOO easy, how come the Dolt in Chief manages to slaughter words and grammar with such abandon? How come St. John the Senile looks like he's passing a kidney stone?

Posted by: bklyndan | June 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

How can Obama say that a McCain win would be an extension of a Bush presidency?

Obviously, Obama and Dubya share their heavy use of cocaine among themselves - we do not need another coke-head in the White House.

One is driving the country into the ground, another coke head will leave it in the GARBAGE!

Posted by: Obama in'16 | June 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Shawn wrote: "ObamaBOTS are morally, culturally and intellectually superior to you and we're winning, redneck"


Winning what, the "let's confirm the self-deluding 'elitist' claim" award?

Puhleeezee, Shawn, you are sooooo smart.

Please define 'is' for Bill Clinton.

Ohh, we stagger under your superiority. Awesome Shawn.

How much is McCain paying you and Wesley. Probably what you're worth.

Posted by: Redneck Defense League | June 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

These are the key parts of America racist/sexist subversives undermine - as public officials - daily - in their Judicial orders (subverting belowsaid), in their Legislative activites (...when will we get another "separate but equal" or "patriot" act...), and their Executive schemes (since illegal spying on Americans was happening long before 911, i wonder if the retroactive immunity - for the 'patriotic subversive' Bush/Cheney nazis - covers acts before 911...).

Article. VI. ...This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. ...

Amendment IX. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Amendment XIV.Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratifi ed July 9, 1868. (Note: Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution was modifi ed by Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.) SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Article. VI. ...This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. ...

Amendment IX. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Amendment XIV.Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratifi ed July 9, 1868. (Note: Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution was modifi ed by Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.) SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Wesley Clark's comments were on the relevance of McCain military experiences to presidential decision making; they were not aspersions on McCain's patriotism. Why the insistence on interpreting them in the latter way? Clark has brought up a legitimate question. Does a young man's bravery and courage in war necessarily prepare him to make the high-level strategic assessments and decisions required of a president? I fail to see why this should be accepted as given. We need a debate on this issue.

Posted by: Esther Weil | June 30, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Who would / has Hamas, Al Qaeda, Iran, Hugo, Castro, Euro Socialists, America's enemies, street punks and gang members, Black Liberation Activists, Communists, Islamic Jihadists, Farrakhan, endorse?

Guess...take a wild guess. GUESS! YES!! OBAMA he's our man.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that some folks here think that it is un-American to have ideas that are counter to theirs. They say that George Soros is un-American. If anyone can applicate the freedoms that America has to offer it is Mr. Soros, a self made man, a Holocost survivor and a philanthropist who supports free speech and the open exchange of ideas. The fact is that Obama reflects the ideals of our Founding Fathers and McCain and the GOP are like King George III and England (1776).

I am not a big Obama fan but I certainly prefere his vision of America more than that of McCain and the GOP.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | June 30, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

So sick of hearing the Republican Redneck bashing an American more intelligent than them because he's not white. I'm sick of the do nothing immoral majority. I for one will be the first one to pick up a gun in defence of the republic if this election is stolen again. Just say no to idiots in the White House. Lets pick someone with more than a C+ average, oh btw McCain graduated at near bottom of his class. You rednecks want another dumb president? Go live in another country.

Posted by: HatethemBushlovingRednecks | June 30, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

ObamaBOTS are morally, culturally and intellectually superior to you and we're winning, redneck.

Posted by: Shawn | June 30, 2008 4:18 PM
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I bet your SAT scores sucked ballz, you commie bastard.

Posted by: 761-091 | June 30, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Amazing...Gobama you're the racist! I am an independent that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. Do I regret that choice, yes I do! This election I have to say that I'm leaning toward Obama because he seems to be heading in the right direction in my opinion. As an independent I have the flexibility to vote for the person I feel serves me, my family and my country. The fact that Obama has African American blood in his veins means nothing to me. I was raised to be color blind and to measure a persons worth by their actions. And in that light I see you as a lost soul in search of someone else to blame for you troubles. You say, "While white men are paid to murder non-whites in Iraq, young black men are dying in the streets and are infected with AIDS." Really, you accuse only white men of receiving bonus moneys for joining the military and only the white men are killing "innocent people" in Iraq. And all of this while black men are dying of AIDS. How did the men you speak of contract AIDS? Was it a white soldier with a tainted IV needle? You had an argument about the way our country is run today, until you went too far with race. Is Obama a black man, is McCain a white man does that effect the way either will run the country? Gobama, it's the very people that you slander that gave you the right to be an A-hole, and believe it or not a lot of those heroes are people of color! I understand your frustration with the current government; I am one of millions you can blame for his election. The biggest difference between you and I is that I acknowledge my mistake and I'm making the effect to change.

Posted by: settle4 | June 30, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"Right after Bubba left, Georgie took his eye off the ball and guess what happened??"

Lib Dem Socialist will defend the Sociopath criminal rapist impeached had his Ark. law license revoke deceitful pig Bubba at all costs. Even if they have to resort to revising history to suit their distorted view.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

More difficult than you apparently believe: watch your preferred guy next time he gives a speech. His supporters cringe at his ineptitude. You can see him reading the line "Smile now" and when he does, you just feel sorry for the old man....

Posted by: abqcleve | June 30, 2008 4:16 PM
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so you are saying that is McCain did drugs before his speaches, like Obama does, it will all be good?

maybe if McCain read better from a telepromter that will make all the evil leadres of the world FEAR HIM?

maybe if the next President of the United States was saavy in the ways of the telepromter China, Canada, Mexico will all cave into his demads regarding trade?

OH YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 761-091 | June 30, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"What exactly is an ObamaBOT???

An ObamaBOT is as pestilence.

An ObamaBOT hates free thinking, it refuses to acknowledge the benefits from individuals pursuing their own interests.

An ObamaBOT is dissatisfied with the condition of his own existence and looks to government to cure all that ails it.

An ObamaBOT condemns his fellow man and society itself for denying him success and fulfillment which he believes he deserves at no cost.

An ObamaBOT is angry, resentful and jealous of others.

An ObamaBOT is incapable of honest self-assessment and rejects an honest assessment by others of himself, thereby evading responsibility for his own miserable condition."

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ObamaBOTS are morally, culturally and intellectually superior to you and we're winning, redneck.

Posted by: Shawn | June 30, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"They were growing and having a swell time plotting, attacking and declaring war on America when Bubba was yanking his wang. That is when they were amassing and Bubba did not a thing."

Oh, and don't forget, Georgie was too busy buying cheap oil from the Taliban at that time to support going after them!!

and that's on video!! And before that, Uncle Rummy was selling Chemical Weapons to Saddam. Ever seen the photo of Rummy shaking hands with Saddam?

How STTOOOOPPPIIIDDD we are!!!

I'm running out of signs.

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm waiting for the speech that will stop these kooks from claiming that Obama and his supporters are Marxists or Socialists or Communists or whatever. I've even heard "fascist Nazis." Obama's forced to waste so much of the election responding to willfully ignorant misinformation, it's amazing he's still in the lead with such strong support. God bless him. Too many people are quick to cling to dismissive statements that enable them to justify their refusal to understand difference.

Posted by: GrayKane | June 30, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

See what I mean?

You're all SUPPOSED to be from the same country. America looks a lot like Iraq right now. Sunnis vs Shias? How about American vs American.

What a mess.

Posted by: The World | June 30, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"Racist Muslim Barry Obama made fun of my family for going to church and owning a gun.

God or his Allah help him If ever i get my hands on his racist ass.

Chevy"


Checvy, yoiu are a douchbag.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Ignorance and Closeminded people write this tripe. Read Up ladies and gentlemen you'll be nore intelligent and actually convince me on something this important... You guys are almost as Bad as Cowboys fans

Posted by: rnoble1 | June 30, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Re: GOPs

I forgot to add that you have to save these issues for debate, such as "Adams' Alien and Sedition Act, Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus and Franklin Delano Roosevelt's internment of Japanese Americans."

DO NOT fire back and save these issues for your debate. As long as you keep cool, then his painted-face will be cracked by itself soon. It is hot.

Posted by: peace4world | June 30, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Proves how stupid and illogical republicans are. why would the man be running for president if he was unpatriotic? Asinine discussion. As usual republicans resort to character assaination because they don't have a leg to stand on if we God Forbid people actually started talking about issues that impact the country like the two freaking wars we are in the middle of and the energy crisis. But I Digress.......

Posted by: outkast30 | June 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse


Chevy,
That should be gun-totin' if you were trying to pretend you can't pronounce the 'ing' sound. Otherwise gun-toting.

Jus' tryin' to he'p wit' your eddycashun.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | June 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

obama just pops in some amphetamines before each speach so he can read everything on the teleprompter. big whoopity-whoop!

how hard is it to read a telepromter?

Posted by: 761-091 | June 30, 2008 4:05 PM
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More difficult than you apparently believe: watch your preferred guy next time he gives a speech. His supporters cringe at his ineptitude. You can see him reading the line "Smile now" and when he does, you just feel sorry for the old man....

Posted by: abqcleve | June 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"They were growing and having a swell time plotting, attacking and declaring war on America when Bubba was yanking his wang. That is when they were amassing and Bubba did not a thing."

OK, more idiocy... Bubba knew full well what they were doing and the Repubs in Congress got mad at him when he attacked Afghanistan, remember??

No, your too stoooooppppiiidd to remember that.

Right after Bubba left, Georgie took his eye off the ball and guess what happened??

Fool!!

Don't forget your sign.....

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Why do people defend this arrogant Socialist. Are they themselves so self absorbed they think by joining the cult they are somehow insightful, better, above it all. Simple truth is the guy is a flim flam man and his followers just naive.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

In the article, Gen. Clark questioned whether presumptive Republican nominee John McCain's record as a fighter pilot and Vietnam prisoner of war really were qualifications to be commander-in-chief, and the General is absolutely correct!!

All due respect to his service and being a POW, but that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with being the President.

BTW I am a WASP, a 24-year retired military officer, and now an Independent because my former party has deserted its moderate supporters, and McBush (or McFlipper if you prefer) is just one example of that. Remember in 2007 McBush supported Bush 100% in his Senate votes. WOW what a maverick NOT ! !

Posted by: swanieaz | June 30, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Obama, you've shown to be anti-american for most of your life, hanging around those that share your views, including Bill Ayers, George Soros, Reverend Wright, the black panthers and god knows what other kooks. Only now you decide to become patriotic-how convenient. So sad that there are enough I D I O T S out there who follow you around like a lost puppy, of course, most of those lost puppies don't have the sense to break-down your life story of hate-america first. Enjoy the 4th of July, I'll be saluting Old Glory while your friends will probably burn her. Reality sux, eh?

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | June 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The media has been trying to peddle this narrative about Obama that is actually the exact opposite of the real Obama. The real Obama is inarticulate, unintelligent, dishonest, arrogant, and an anti-American racist.

Posted by: Freedom Fighter | June 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

For those of you copying from email messages about Obama... please go to this site http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama and review which "facts" are true (very few) and which are false (most)

I can't believe the junk I'm reading here.

Posted by: Anne B | June 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

When is the next most ***EPIC*** speacf of the Obama campaign?

What will it be on?

What will the messiah say?

What light can he shed on all of us ignorant fools?

How can we all be blessed by this beacon of universal knowledge?

WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: There's an Obama is in my kitchen, whatcha Ima gonna do? | June 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Tom3 wrote: "There's no such thing as an educated redneck"

Gosh, Faulkner, Grisham, ... I'm stunned to find out they are so stupid.

The next thing you will tell me is that Bill Clinton, Arkansas, Rhodes Scholar, and Wesley Clark, Arkansas, Rhodes Scholar, are stupid.

ByGawd, You're RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Redneck Hi Tech | June 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Chevy: I love your comments. I can't believe that so many people keep defending his NON-Patriotic anus. If he gets the votes, all they got is a hot air balloon.

LOL Tanks!! Mattie!!

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Republicans are still harping about socialism and communism. It's the 21st century people. Communism is practically dead and socialism is mainstream in the rest of the world. If that's the best that they can come up with, no wonder the country hates the Republicans.

Posted by: George | June 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"An interesting little bio on the man they call Obama.

http://wwwe.com/ObamaLatest.htm"

dude, what a horrific piece of trash. That site is so bad. Their sources have been discredited, the Telegraph retracted that story....

so lame, yet some are too stupid to learn and want to remain ignorant.

This is our problem. Get over the sorry character assassination campaigns and focus on ISSUES...

You stoooppiiiddddd GOP loving fools!!!

Ah, and don't forget your sign....

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Chevy cried:

"First Obama refused to wear the American Flag and made a big deal about when questioned on it.

Then Obama didn't cross his heart during the pledge of allegiance and when asked made another big deal about it.

Today Obama crosses his heart and wears the American flag on his lapel

Aren't you liberals tired of pretending Obama is who he says he is?

I want answers G Dammit!!

Chevy - Educated - Beer drinkin, skirt chasing NASCAR loving Redneck"
_________________

Obama makes me feel patriotic and that's all you need to know about that.

I don't give a squirt about your pointless, retarded rantings about "patriotism". Why don't you understand that?

You can obsess about flag pins and pretend pinning a 2-cent piece of metal (made in China) on one's jacket is the ultimate act of patriotism (and then why doesn't McCain always wea one? Are you wearing one right now, redneck?).

Some of us are more concerned about, you know...actual issues facing our nation and the world.

People like you are why this country is going into the sh*tter. Pure stupity and obsession with irrelevance.

Time for a change. Come on President Obama!

Posted by: Shawn | June 30, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

If you don't know what Senator Obama stands for: YOU ARE NOT LISTENING. Reduced lobby influence in the white house. Afffordable health care for all. ending the Iraq War. Improvment of Veterans benifits. More transparentcy and accountability in the federal government reduction or pork barrel spending, return of American jobs through the ending and/or severe modification of Nafta. And the list goes on.

Well that says it all, I knew he evil....EVIL!!!!!

Posted by: Rproulx | June 30, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"OK, I'd guess McCain since they've faired pretty well during the past 7 years."

They were growing and having a swell time plotting, attacking and declaring war on America when Bubba was yanking his wang. That is when they were amassing and Bubba did not a thing.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Chevy: I love your comments. I can't believe that so many people keep defending his NON-Patriotic anus. If he gets the votes, all they got is a hot air balloon.

Posted by: Mattie | June 30, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

What exactly is an ObamaBOT???

An ObamaBOT is as pestilence.

An ObamaBOT hates free thinking, it refuses to acknowledge the benefits from individuals pursuing their own interests.

An ObamaBOT is dissatisfied with the condition of his own existence and looks to government to cure all that ails it.

An ObamaBOT condemns his fellow man and society itself for denying him success and fulfillment which he believes he deserves at no cost.

An ObamaBOT is angry, resentful and jealous of others.

An ObamaBOT is incapable of honest self-assessment and rejects an honest assessment by others of himself, thereby evading responsibility for his own miserable condition.

Chevy - Educated, Gun-Toten, Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not likely to group well with those who have the most history of worrying about a candidate's patriotism. No fancy speech is likely to change that reality.

But there are others who are worried about his plans in relation to national security. For example me. I have plenty of history of ambivalent feelings about patriotism and plenty of history of opposition to some of our miltary adventures. But I am not satisfied with Obama's positions on Iraq, Iran, or Islamic terrorism. I don't want to hear platitudes about how virtuous he is or about problems in the quality of our political discourse. What I do want to hear is some outline of realistic plans for handling the very difficult national security issues he will have to face if he wins the election. So far I am not very impressed.

Posted by: dnjake | June 30, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"I've now been in 57 states, I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii" Barry Obama - LATimes

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html

The more I read that statement the more i'm convinced this CIRCUS ACT has brain damage from his past, perhaps current drug use."

There's a simpler explanation and that Obama just has a low IQ. He can keep getting free passes from affirmative action, but he is hopelessly out of his depths. He is literally a special olympics athlete competing in the real olympics.

Posted by: Freedom Fighter | June 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"McCain and Bush have petitioned to have a dictionary at their disposal to keep up with Barack Obama's intellectual discourse."
"There is nothing worse than a liar and a thief"
After reading all of the responses here for a while, the 2 quotes above stood out to me. The first: Have you ever noticed how Obama cannot get his words out without have it written down in front of him or in one of his memorized speeches? Words that others have written for him? He is full of "uh, um, uh, uh, aaaaa....etc" He can only speak when it has been pre-programmed for him. And, yes, his speeches are great.
Too bad he is not writing them.
The second quote: Does the name Bill and Hillary Clinton from the 90's mean anything to you?

Posted by: stopobamanow | June 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's piss has more patriotism in it than Obama will ever have in his entire body.

Posted by: w00tness | June 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

A flag pin does not denote patriotism...how many days a week do you wear your pin? And you are not required to put your hand over you heart during the singing of God Bless America...if these are the requirements of be patriotic then God help us. We are intelligent people of a great nation and I am disturbed at how petty we have become in judging someones character. Let's respect both candidates and judge them on the policies that they are soliciting to improve our country. Let's get back to making responsible political decisions and stop falling for the rhetoric that the media offers us...do your own research!

Posted by: BigBrain | June 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The sooner you guys realize how messed up your country is, the sooner you'll revolt and demand a real choice.

Since when do there only have to be TWO options?

Join the rest of the world and adopt a multi-party system that gives you a choice. Toss aside the shackles of the us vs them (pro-choice, pro-life, etc, etc) and vote for people who matter - instead of voting for someone simply because you despise the other side. Otherwise, it's going to be 1860 all over again.

Good luck.
-- The World.

Posted by: The World | June 30, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Re: Today's Tip for GOPs

This is a great shot. Let him get defensive with his own rhetorical skills.
Obama also signals that he opposes Affirmative Action--do research on his records--a pre-emptive strike against a claim that his racial identity has given him a free pass.

I urge you to do research about David Axelrod's current MA Governor Campaign in that he created a similar political product. Then you will see his tactics used.

Using this kind of phony images--addressing in front of Harry Truman Museum--proves that the fragility of Axelrodian Gaudiness can not even survive until the end of summer.

GOPs, please do not pursue Obama. You do not even need to attack him: Waste of time and money. McCain Campaign, please do not engage in any silly ping-pong games with Obama.

If you do not listen to me, it proves you guys do not have brains: Engaging in such silly attacks with the young senator who-checks-emails-from-a-21-year-old-actress will only make you look even more childish than Obama or her.

Just relax and enjoy the summer.

Posted by: peace4world | June 30, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Racist Muslim Barry Obama made fun of my family for going to church and owning a gun.

God or his Allah help him If ever i get my hands on his racist ass.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"Who would / has Hamas, Al Qaeda, Iran, Hugo, Castro, Euro Socialists, America's enemies, street punks and gang members, Black Liberation Activists, Communists, Farrakhan, endorse?

Guess...take a wild guess."

OK, I'd guess McCain since they've faired pretty well during the past 7 years.

But then again, no one expects "Beer drinkin, skirt chasing NASCAR loving Redneck"'s to be smart enough to realize that.

Oh, here's yer sign.....

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

An interesting little bio on the man they call Obama.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

While everybdy is at it, I know of one American who was likely one of its finest Patriots--Paul Robeson, who sang "The House I Live in", a song that closes with the line "Especially the people, that's America for me", and a Ballad for Americans that described the way he felt about America. Some people will say he spoke out against the injustices against Afro-Americans, and other injustices, as well has his sympathies for Leftist causes. Nonetheless, his love of America could never be doubted.

Ah, there was another great Patriot of the past who has been swept under the rug for a while, an Indiana boy who ran for President on the Socialist ticket while he sat in jail during the elections of 1920. His name was Eugene Victor Debs.

Then again, we live in different times where all you have to is wave a flag, or better yet sit on top a flag pole, all to prove how patriotic you are.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs some cocaine for his next speach. Someone find a dealer in Missori!!!

Posted by: Obama in'16 | June 30, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse


Who would / has Hamas, Al Qaeda, Iran, Hugo, Castro, Euro Socialists, America's enemies, street punks and gang members, Black Liberation Activists, Communists, Islamic Jihadists, Farrakhan, endorse?

Guess...take a wild guess. GUESS! YES!! OBAMA he's our man.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

You cretins really need to read a little more widely:
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"During Obama's campaign for the 2008 presidential election he portrayed his mother as a conservative girl fromKansas; however in reality she was a radical leftist and cutural Marxist. She lived in the Seattle area; spending her teenage years in Seattle's coffee shops with other young radical leftist. Obama claims his mother's family were conserevative Methodists or Baptists fromKansas. However his mother's parents were members of aleft-wing Unitarian church near Seattle. The church located in Bellevue, Washington was knicknamed "the little red church," because of it's communist leanings.

The school Ann attended, Mercer Island High School, was a hotbed of pro-Marxist radical teachers. John Stenhouse, board member, told theHouse Un-American Activities Subcommittee that he had been a member of the Communist Party USA and this school has a number of Marxists on it's staff. "

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First off, why don't you credit the moron you lifted this from: http://onemansthoughts.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/stanley-ann-dunham-obama-soetoro/

Second, I guarantee you that about 2 or 3 million residents in the Puget Sound area will be very surprised to hear Mercer Island described as a hotbet of Marxism: it's the wealthiest and most dominantly Republican enclave in the Pacific NW.

The article you copied and pasted so intelligently and honestly concludes with the line "Barck Obama ran as a Marxist in 1996." How come you didn't quote that? Is that too over the top for even you?

Do you, in the final analysis, have any inkling of how stupid stuff like this appears to anyone with half a brain? Do you realize the damage you're doing to your own cause when you perpetrate this crap?

How about becoming a real patriot by doing your own thinking.

Posted by: abqcleve | June 30, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

For the life of me I can't see why these libTard ObamaBOTS like this circus act.

He's a proven racist andhe's STUPID and here's the proof.

I've now been in 57 states, I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii" Barry Obama - LATimes

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html

The more I read that statement the more i'm convinced this CIRCUS ACT has brain damage from his past, perhaps current drug use.

57 States and two more to go??? LOL LOL LOL!!

Chevy -Educated Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow, just read some of the recent posts. Y'all need to take a step back from the kool-aide.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama may have partied hearty when he was young, but he's sharp as a tack today.

Unlike Chimpy, who has obvious cognitive problems from decades of drug and alcohol abuse.

And there's no such thing as a "libtard".

Double-digit IQ mental retardation is a Repukes-only affliction.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 4:01 PM
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obama just pops in some amphetamines before each speach so he can read everything on the teleprompter. big whoopity-whoop!

how hard is it to read a telepromter?

Posted by: 761-091 | June 30, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

First Obama refused to wear the American Flag and made a big deal about when questioned on it.

Then Obama didn't cross his heart during the pledge of allegiance and when asked made another big deal about it.

Today Obama crosses his heart and wears the American flag on his lapel

Aren't you liberals tired of pretending Obama is who he says he is?

I want answers G Dammit!!

Chevy - Educated - Beer drinkin, skirt chasing NASCAR loving Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

maggieb cried:

"Each American, at watershed moments in his or her life -- to get a driver's license, a marriage certificate, a passport -- must produce a paper birth certificate for official inspection and analysis. Now it's Obama's turn."
______________

Hey Stupid - one needs a birth certificate in order to get a passport. One needs a passport to travel internationally (which of course Obama has), and he has absolutely nothing to prove to morons like you.

A person like Obama doesn't take orders from shrill fanatics on the internet. Just sayin'.

Posted by: sequoia | June 30, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are a little bit funny there. It's understandable that they would question Obama's patriotism, due to his ethnicity and politics. Wasn't it just yesterday that Republicans were mimicking Kerry's Purple Heart at their radical RNC convention? Why didn't McCain's millionaire admiral buddies do the right thing and speak up then? Radical chickenhawk Repubs prove time and time again that they're partisan hacks who are more interested in ad hominem than talking about the issues. Where was 99% of Republican leadership during 'Nam? That goes for most Repub pundits at FOX News and Republican televangelist preachers. Most were taking out deferments to attend Ivy League schools. I've always argued that Obama should have never stopped wearing a US flag on his lapel, to avoid being a target of rightwing-extremist Repubs. Yeah, it's a symbol, but we all knew that Repubs would question his patriotism, due to his being a Democrat and having a father from Kenya/mother from Kansas. Most billionaire Republicans are more interested in profiting from wars, than fighting them. George W. Bush and Cheney both could have fought in Vietnam, but chose not to. It's as simple as that. On the other hand, Wesley Clark served in the US military and in an executive military position. Any thinking person realizes that being a veteran or Senator does not make you a guru per se on enacting foreign policy. Obama's strategy has been right on the money -- honor McCain's service but question his support of Bush-esque foreign policies that have failed and failed time and time again. A vote for McCain is a vote for a third term of Bush Jr., and nobody wants that except the 29% of the sheeple Republicans who would vote for a Republican under any circumstances.

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | June 30, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

racist wont question anybodies patrotism either - unless the accused is a negro preacher... or a "naturalized" American (iheard a white lady "star" tell Greg Fugerson that there's "a difference"...)... or an Asian.. or just not white...

Obama would no more question his Pastor's patriotism or deparage his opinions and rights than he would the "black" community....

it's like changing your good 'ol white car to black... humpf - runs the same.... (or not at all without BIG OIL)

at least racist have their ignorance to keep them blissful... (at least corporate leaders and their minion lobbiest have thier billions and millions to comfort them through the comming environmental catastrophies that can't conclusively be traced back to burning fossil fuels - until after mass extinction.

up with exploiters... down with fools

Posted by: steven | June 30, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

When is a politician lieing? When his mouth is moving and words are coming out.

Fits the same pretty much all the time. I just actually had a NY Times writer reply to a question I asked by writing to me, "what page is that quote from in his book." Two days earlier in the same colume another writer had quoted Sen. Obama's book and wrote the paragraph and page number down. So apparently to be part of a serial writing committee for a colume, you don't even need to read the colume you are responding to.

All politicans at the national level lie. IT is how they get to that position. The way to guage them is by how big their lies are.
"I am not a crook." Ended decades of cold war hatred with China.
"I am an egghead." Has one of the best humanitiarin records since leaving office and his succusser took credit for getting hostages released that he knew he had little to do with.
"Mission accomplished" yes he finally removed the man his father directly put into power and no the mission was not accomplished.
"I am a patriot" as long as I get to define what a patriot is.

All said by people that the American Public has listened to because that same public doesn't want to think on their own.

Posted by: Eb JEb | June 30, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

GOP Republican McCain-Bush Have Many Many Many Crisis To Answer For
McCain-Bush III Democracy Crisis
McCain-Bush III American People Crisis
McCain-Bush III U.S. Constitution Crisis
McCain-Bush III Barrel of Oil Crisis (Democrat $24 changed to GOP Republican $145)
McCain-Bush III GOP Republican Wall Street Oil Speculation Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street Super-capitalism cannibalistic Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street selling America to Saudi Arabia Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street selling America to India Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street selling America to China Crisis
McCain-Bush III Iraq War Crisis
McCain-Bush III Relations with Iran Crisis
McCain-Bush III Relations with North Korea Crisis
McCain-Bush III Relations with China Crisis
McCain-Bush III Healthcare Crisis
McCain-Bush III U.S. Economics Crisis
McCain-Bush III U.S. Employment Crisis
McCain-Bush III Out Sourcing American Jobs Crisis
McCain-Bush III Auto Industry Crisis
McCain-Bush III Energy Crisis
McCain-Bush III Overseas Tax Haven Rich Tax Avoidance Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wage Gap Crisis
McCain-Bush III Lack of Employees' Rights Crisis
McCain-Bush III Dubious War on Drugs Crisis
McCain-Bush III Education Crisis
McCain-Bush III School Shooting Crisis
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Posted by: McCain-Bush III | June 30, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

First Obama refused to wear the American Flag and made a big deal about when questioned on it.

Then Obama didn't cross his heart during the pledge of allegiance and when asked made another big deal about it.

Today Obama crosses his heart and wears the American flag on his lapel

Aren't you liberals tired of pretending Obama is who he says he is?

I want answers G Dammit!!

Chevy - Educated - Beer drinkin, skirt chasing NASCAR loving Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Race speach --- CHECK
Religion speach --- CHECK
Patriotism speach --- CHECK, CHECK

Hey Barak, when are we getting the DRUG USE speach?

You can hit up your dealer in Chicago for some coke before the speach.

Posted by: 761-091 | June 30, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Who would / has Hamas, Al Qaeda, Iran, Hugo, Castro, Euro Socialists, America's enemies, street punks and gang members, Black Liberation Activists, Communists, Farrakhan, endorse?

Guess...take a wild guess.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Down Range said: "babble babble babble INSULT babble babble INSULT INSULT babble INSULT INSULT INSULT babble babble INSULT babble INSULT."

Posted by: drossless | June 30, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Actions speak louder than words...
Patriots hold their hands over their heart wear flag pins, do not describe our flag as a symbol of terror or of taking sides. If you want to be President you had better take sides, one side, the American side.
Further why won't he take part in Town Meeting "THAT ARE NOT SCRIPTED?" He hasn't said anything and I guess that is what his handlers want him to say...

Posted by: Sov99999 | June 30, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's speech was first planned for this spring, when the rumors began to gain ground. At the suggestion of former senator Bill Bradley, Obama had hoped to deliver it in Gettysburg, Pa., a wrenching site for such an address from the first African American nominee of a major party. But the Wright controversy supplanted patriotism with race as Obama's primary concern, and the speech was postponed."

Just where does that part of the article come from? It is merely put out there as if it were fact. Not even an anonymous attribution is there.

Why is the press wasting all this time on patriotism? My guess? A) It's a slow time of year and B) it is the sort of article which requires little in terms of research. Short and simple. Just the usual horse race stupidity.

I mean whatever your political leanings, unless you are totally taken in by one side's propaganda, you have to admit this is lame.

Posted by: Alex | June 30, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

BHO is getting over 90% of the black vote. If McCain were getting over 90% of the white vote, those voters would be labeled racist.

I contend that about 1/3 of BHO's black supporters are utter racists. The dems usually get around 65% of the black vote, but now with a black candidate it is over 90%. Why? Easy ... because the color of his skin.

Racism comes in all colors folks. You should be ashamed.

Posted by: Neil | June 30, 2008 3:42 PM

_________________________________

Your argument is a nonsense.

Ninety percent of black voters would be voting for Hillary Clinton if she were the Democratic presidential candidate -- just as ninety of the black vote voted for Kerry and Gore when they were the candidates.

BTW, your 65% figure is as bogus as the rest of your argument.

Posted by: pali2500 | June 30, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Racist Muslim Barry Obama made fun of my family for going to church and owning a gun.

God or his Allah help him If ever i get my hands on his racist ass.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama may have partied hearty when he was young, but he's sharp as a tack today.

Unlike Chimpy, who has obvious cognitive problems from decades of drug and alcohol abuse.

And there's no such thing as a "libtard".

Double-digit IQ mental retardation is a Repukes-only affliction.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Osama = Obama = Hussein = Obama = Communist

Posted by: WJP | June 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama = Kerry = Carter

ALL FAILED DEMOCRATS.

Posted by: 761-091 | June 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I am a conservative registered Republican who will vote for Bob Barr for President. I consider Obama to be too much a socialist and McCain is too much an imperialist. I have never questioned the patriotism of either Obama or McCain. I think they both love America and the ideals for which our country stands. If a pistol was put to my head and I had to vote for either Obama or McCain, I would vote for Obama. I was born into an educated lower middle class family. My parents were school teachers in very rural areas in South Dakota. I believe Obama can understand me better than McCain. McCain is the son of an Admiral who was the son of an Admiral. McCain does not see people like me (and I'm upper middle class with a J.D. degree) as other than hired help. Obama understands what it is like to work every summer to pay for college. I also believe that Obama will be much more the uniter than would be McCain. I see Obama with many of the character traits that Ronald Reagan had. Reagan is beloved by most Americans for a reason. I see some of those reasons in Obama---very few in McCain.

Posted by: jim stockdale | June 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Very poetic and great speech~!

But it was from a teleprompter wasn't it?

Can this guy answer anything straight or does he need a script for everything?

If he can't answer questions when asked them, but needs to run back and have a speech written out for him to side step answers, he will be no use as a president.

Posted by: Jabberwolf | June 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I think Senator Obama has a point I don't think people should be falsely judged by doing what the status quo does. You know I've been a christain all my life and I have been raised by a father who served in the United States Navy God rest his soul. But, a white american minister came and spoke at our church which is all black Lighthouse church of God in Christ and he spoke about sterotypes how people dress in church and follow so many traditions that get's in the way of God's message. Now, say this to drive home Senator Obama's message why does a person's partiotism comes into to question just because other's are so quickly to paint the wrong message and Americans are foolish to buy into it.

Obama for President.

Posted by: Jacie - San Leandro, Ca | June 30, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I mean, it's a hoot! White Republicans are trying to make the argument that it would be *racist* of them to vote for Obama! You see, they're actually proving how *unbiased* they are being by rejecting the black man. In fact, it would be racist to vote for anyone other than the white Republican male!

The same impeccable logic that has us defeating Al Queda's leadership by starting a war against an unrelated third party nowhere near them. That balances the budget by cutting taxes to the rich and increasing spending. That seeks international respect by insulting everyone else on earth.

Well, I guess it's worked for them so far. They keep betting on the stupidity of the American voter, and so far they keep winning the bet. But maybe someday soon the voter will surprise them.

Posted by: drossless | June 30, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Its a shame that our political process is shaped by the pervasive ignorance of the american public. Clark didn't bash McCain's war record, Obama has to constantly beat back rumors baseless rumors, Bush managed to skirt the constitution and blow billions of dollars straight into crooked pockets, and global temperature increases are caused by sun spots. I really wish people would make an effort to inform themselves before they start crying foul.

Posted by: peter, dc transplant | June 30, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I still believe that at the end of the day, the citizens of this country will say NO to a man and a party who want to turn this GREAT country into some socialist experiment with Marxist leanings.

I don't care what color he is, I don't care what religion he is, I don't care if he wears a pin, etc.

What I do care about is seeing freedom and liberty beaten down in the name of socialism.

Posted by: T | June 30, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Neil wrote: "BHO is getting over 90% of the black vote. If McCain were getting over 90% of the white vote, those voters would be labeled racist.

I contend that about 1/3 of BHO's black supporters are utter racists. The dems usually get around 65% of the black vote, but now with a black candidate it is over 90%. Why? Easy ... because the color of his skin.

Racism comes in all colors folks. You should be ashamed."

******************

Desperate Republican Play #248: Race-bait by needlessly bringing up race whenever possible, then pretend Obama is playing "race-card" and his supporters are racist. Don't forget, he's slso a drug addict, a Nazi, a Muslim terrorist, a hard core Communist, arrogant, a politician and really from Africa!

*yawn*

Posted by: Shawn | June 30, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I weep for the naive and uneducated people who insist on insults and ill-derived conclusions. An empty suit. Most of us probably could not come close to the intelligence that Mr. Obama contains. We do not have the where with all to even begin to run for President, yet we stoop to name calling and petty comments about him and his character. You all need to really wake-up. Mr. Obama is the real deal and when he is not elected, please do not weep for us. Everyone thought George Bush was the answer. Look at the state of affairs and the country now. It is not too late to not vote for Mr. McCain, but after November it will be. I promise you that we will all rule the day he takes office.

Posted by: weepforus | June 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

For the life of me I can't see why these libTard ObamaBOTS like this circus act.

He's a proven racist andhe's STUPID and here's the proof.

I've now been in 57 states, I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii" Barry Obama - LATimes

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html

The more I read that statement the more i'm convinced this CIRCUS ACT has brain damage from his past, perhaps current drug use.

57 States and two more to go??? LOL LOL LOL!!

Chevy -Educated Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Chevy - UNeducated - Beer drinkin, skirt chasing NASCAR loving Redneck"

There, fixed your typo. There's no such thing as an educated redneck.

The mortarboard keeps you from getting burned back there.

I can't believe he's a dumb redneck and he's proud of it. And we know from his posts that he's a braindead Chimpyloving Repuke AND a racist pig.

You can bet Chevy's family tree doesn't have many branches. His parents were siblings.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Heaven forbid anyone be critical of Barack The Messiah... He is perfect in every way and if you are critical of him, you either are ignorant, a racist, or the third term of George Bush...

Posted by: getreal | June 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Dear Drossless, I didn't call myself a patriot. Your boy Obama did. Stupid. He highlights his greatest weakness just before the 4th of July. Duh. Duh. Duh.

And, I also didn't call myself a Republican.

You assume that.

And, you know, that makes you?

Obama is losing control. He's hardly a patriot.

And Weasel Wesley WAS a Presidential Candidate, and is aligned with Obama, so he did go on CBS to smear McCain.

And he considers himself a tactician, no?

Duh.

Obama. The Team that can't shoot straight. Let's hand them the nuclear trigger.

Posted by: Down Range | June 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

to xantiphi:

It is sad to see the posting of Billy Graham on this sight. You should think about the content of his information, its selective accuratcy, and the format in which he wrote it. This his a fearmonger notice. I read through it three times. It is well written to insight people one ONE side of the issues and at the end tell the other side they are stupid if they agree with Obama. the fact is many of the people don't support all of ANYONE's stances, but you find the candidate who best represents your views.

If you don't know what Senator Obama stands for: YOU ARE NOT LISTENING. Reduced lobby influence in the white house. Afffordable health care for all. ending the Iraq War. Improvment of Veterans benifits. More transparentcy and accountability in the federal government reduction or pork barrel spending, return of American jobs through the ending and/or severe modification of Nafta. And the list goes on.

Lastly as the posing noted votes for or against a BILL, that is NOT indicative of a persons views on a SUBJECT. If a bill came to a vote to ban private ownership of ALL GUNS... it would fail miserably, because even those you favor gun control in the strictist sense won't vote for a complete and total ban. Like wise voting against the patriot act is not prove of anything other than disagrement with one or more of the dozens of things in it. It does not make you unpatriotic.

Posted by: an educated person | June 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Mike Morgan wrote:
"Time for all the racists and jarheads to come out and slander Obama as much as they can."

Did I somehow miss the United States Marine Corps coming out to slander Obama?

Posted by: zenwick | June 30, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't you think that, considering the stakes, it would be useful to have a President who knows the difference between the Shia and the Sunnis?

Don't you think that, considering the stakes, it would be useful to have a President smart enough not to propose, simultaneously, a balanced budget amendment and an economic plan that will produce deficits as far as the eye can see?

Save America. Vote Democratic.

Posted by: pali2500 | June 30, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I probably will not vote ,I know we need change but where the heck does he come off thinking he can change the thought s of all the people that accually run the country ,the President has no control nor can he or she change the way washington is ran,If the people in the ranks thought he could change them they would not stand behind him any how,that would mean he would be changing there way of doing business in washington ,I sorry go words says what you want to hear but nor real substance to do any thing has never done anything and doubt he will start ,the only reson Obama is in there is because the republicans figured they would try to help get him in there because they just knew they could never beat Clinton in a race ,so they had to help pick a person they have a good chance to beat

Posted by: Surveillance Installer | June 30, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

BHO is getting over 90% of the black vote. If McCain were getting over 90% of the white vote, those voters would be labeled racist.

I contend that about 1/3 of BHO's black supporters are utter racists. The dems usually get around 65% of the black vote, but now with a black candidate it is over 90%. Why? Easy ... because the color of his skin.

Racism comes in all colors folks. You should be ashamed.

Posted by: Neil | June 30, 2008 3:42 PM
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You apparently have no recognition of how stupid your argument is, so let me point it out for you.

The fact that someone votes for a person of the same skin "color" is not ipso facto evidence of racism, or even race identification, which a more apt term for what your positing.

You cannot tell, from that evidence alone, if the vote comes from that source: it's just as likely the vote has occurred because there's identification on policy, or perceived identification on issues, or identification with single-parent childhood, or any of another 1,000 potential causes.

Did millions of white women vote for Clinton because they saw identity or because they feared a black man? The question is unanswerable without lots more corroborating (and virtually impossible) research.

And what do you make of the fact that the overwhelming majority of black Democrats supported Clinton until she and her husband attempted to stuff Obama in the "Jesse Jackson" box in SC?

Your proposition is foolish beyond words.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Both McCain and Obama are special interest puppets. They could care less about the public. They favor special interest, special interest voting blocks, and corporate America. I would rather vote for Mickey Mouse instead of these two clowns. Anyone who would support these guys must be a product of the public education system. Are these two clowns the best that the two political parties can come up with? If so, the U.S. is in some serious trouble.

Posted by: Terry C. | June 30, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

John McAmnesty!! LOL!! Good one, I haven't heard that yet.

A word of warning about the illegal immigration issue. Be careful to keep it to the LAW. Too many anti-immigration people are more like anti-Latino racists.

You can fight illegal immigration without playing the race card.

Besides, about a million illegal immigrants are Eastern European and Irish among others and they're white.

I am against all illegal immigration because it takes jobs away from Americans. Jobs Americans DO want. Chimpy was LYING when he said otherwise.

And when you're against illegal immigration, that means ICE picks up the Irish along with the Guatamalans. It is only fair. The American thing to do.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama had embraced and participated in his church for numerous years, and only now, after pressure is mounting on him does he choose to leave.

Obama did the same for Rev Wrong after his insane speeches surfaced on the net. Obama embraced him while throwing Grandma under the bus. Again only after pressure mounted did Obama throw Rev Wrong under the bus with Granny.

Aren't you liberal freaks tired of pretending that Obama is who he says he
is?

Chevy - Educated - Beer drinkin, skirt chasing NASCAR loving Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Each American, at watershed moments in his or her life -- to get a driver's license, a marriage certificate, a passport -- must produce a paper birth certificate for official inspection and analysis. Now it's Obama's turn.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politic...

http://immigrationcounters.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Posted by: maggieb | June 30, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Does the apple fall far from the tree?
The ideal background for an American president!


Stanley Ann Dunham
Barack Hussein's Mother


Stanley Ann Dunham,
Mercer Island High School

Stanley Ann Dunham Obana Soetoro (November 29, 1942 - November 7, 1995), known as Ann Dunham andStanley Ann Dunham, was an American anthropologist, left-wing social activist, and the mother of SenatorBarack Obama. She was born in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, to StanleyandMadelyn Dunham. Her father (who gave his only child his name) was a furniture salesman in downtown Seattle, Washington, and her mother worked for a bank. After a year living in Seattle, her family moved to Mercer Island,Washington, in 1956 so that 13-year old Ann could attend theMercer Island High School that had just opened. At the school she was on the debate team and graduated in 1960.

Her family moved to Hawaii and Ann attended the University of Hawaii atManoa, where she studied anthropology.When Ann Dunham arrived in Hawaii, she was a full fledged radical leftist and practitioner of "critical theory" She also began to engage in miscegenation (inter-racial relationships) as part of her attack on society. Susan Blake, one of her friends has stated she never dated "the crew-cut white boys,"She had a world view, even as a young girl. It was embracing the different, rather than that ethnocentric thing of shunning the different. That was where her mind took her. In Hawaii she met Barack Obama, Sr. from Kenya in her Russian language class. Barack Obama, Jr. was born August 4, 1961.
Barack Obama, Sr. left Ann and their son in 1963 to attend Harvard in Boston.Press reports claim Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. were divorced around this time; however, no evidence has yet been presented to show they were ever married. The senior Obama obtained a masters degree in economics at Harvard and returned to Kenya in 1965 where he obtained a position in the Kenyan government. He was killed in an automobile accident in 1982.

Two years later, when her son was five, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian oil manager and practicing Muslim whom she meet at the university. In 1967 they moved toJakarta, Indonesia. While in Indonesia Ann got a job at the American embassy teaching English.
Barack's half-sister, Maya Soetoro was born in Indonesia. Ann, Obama and his sister Maya moved back to Hawaii. Ann Dunham soon returned toIndonesia with Maya but divorced Soetoro in the late 1970s.

Dunham traveled around the world, pursuing a career in rural development that took her to Ghana, India, Thailand,Indonesia, Nepal andBangladesh. In 1986 Ann Dunham worked on a developmental project in Pakistan. Later that year Ann and her daughter traveled the Silk Road inChina. In 1992 she earned a Ph.D. in anthropology from the University of Hawaii. Her dissertation, "Peasant blacksmithing inIndonesia: Surviving and Thriving Against All Odds," was 1067 pages long. She worked for the Ford Foundation and promoted Microlending.

During Obama's campaign for the 2008 presidential election he portrayed his mother as a conservative girl fromKansas; however in reality she was a radical leftist and cutural Marxist. She lived in the Seattle area; spending her teenage years in Seattle's coffee shops with other young radical leftist. Obama claims his mother's family were conserevative Methodists or Baptists fromKansas. However his mother's parents were members of aleft-wing Unitarian church near Seattle. The church located in Bellevue, Washington was knicknamed "the little red church," because of it's communist leanings.

The school Ann attended, Mercer Island High School, was a hotbed of pro-Marxist radical teachers. John Stenhouse, board member, told theHouse Un-American Activities Subcommittee that he had been a member of the Communist Party USA and this school has a number of Marxists on it's staff. Two teachers at this school, Val Foubert and Jim Wichterman, bothFrankfurt School style Marxists, taught acritical theory curriculum to students which include d; rejection of societal norms, attacks on Christianity, the traditional family, and assigned readings by Karl Marx. The hallway between Foubert's and Wichterman classrooms was sometimes called "anarchy ally."
Dunham has been described by her friends as "a fellow traveler..." meaning a communist sympathizer.
In an interview, Barack Obama referred to his mother as "the dominant figure in my formative years... The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics."
Before she died Ann Dunham wanted to adopt a mixed-race Korean baby father by a Black American stationed inSouth Korea. Ann Dunham died inHawaii in 1995 of ovarian cancer and uterine cancer.

Posted by: maggieb | June 30, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I've now been in 57 states, I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii" Barry Obama - LATimes

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html

The more I read that statement the more i'm convinced this CIRCUS ACT has brain damage from his past, perhaps current drug use.

Yeah - Fat chance this idiot is going to get elected, he's a moron!!

Chevy -Educated Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama has nothing to prove to anybody.
America has no clue what Patriotism means. Declaring War and bombing other "evil" countries is not Patriotism. Supporting a deceiving president till $650 billion dollars is spent and the economy too, is not Patriotism. Not standing up to tyranny as liberty is lost in the name of security is not Patriotism.

"Patriotism is always more than just loyalty to a place on a map or a certain kind of people. Instead, it's also loyalty to America's ideals, ideals for which anyone can sacrifice, or defend, or give their last full measure of devotion." says it all.


Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel - Samuel Johnson.

Posted by: Neil | June 30, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Generation Duh = Generation liar.

Posted by: Truthzap | June 30, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Smears are the only tactics in the Republicans' quiver. They will do anything to win.

Posted by: Brittman1 | June 30, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: coward

"You have the privilege voting Osama if you want. I don't agree with him so I want vote for him there my vote will cancel yours. Must not take much to excite you."
___________________

WOW how original! You changed a letter to make Obama's name Osama! Very impressive for a talking douchebag.

Vote for whomever you want. Nobody cares. My state will definitely go for Obama, so you won't cancel out sh*t.

And I am excited about the brightest and most promising political figure in a generation. That scares and annoys you and it's a wonderful thing.

Good luck with your lame dud of a "candidate".

Posted by: sequoia | June 30, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

We have limited time to save America or the Supreme Court as we know it.

Posted by: xantiphi | June 30, 2008 3:21 PM

__________________________


Too true.

And that is why, after eight years of Bush predation and degradation, it is important to vote Democratic across the board this November.

Posted by: RAS | June 30, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: BP | June 30, 2008 3:29 PM
The real racist are those that will vote for Obama because and only because of his skin color. Doesn't matter what he stands for just he is a non-white candidate.

Blacks will vote the color line so who are the true racists?

That is such a pathetic statement. Look at the facts real one: If blacks only voted for blacks wouldn't Sharpton and Jackson have had way more votes than they did when they both tried to run for president. Silly people. Stop trying to justify your hate by pointing the finger. BTW I am black and I voted for Bush in 2004. Geez your kind of attitude is just downright mean and evil.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president," Clark said on CBS.

Well, is smoking crack, living a cush life in Hawaiian prep school and Harvard?

The Obama "Intellectual" Team. Rhodes Scholar (from Arkansas region, though, like Blll "the definition of is" Clinton) Wesley Clark, Presiding.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA1

The "Smart" Guys.

Posted by: Generation Duh | June 30, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

This is an utterly meaningless issue and is only a distraction and deflection from what matters to those of us in the trenches. Who the H*LL cares who acts more patriotic than the other guy? How STUPID does this discussion have to get before the media says "ENOUGH" and stops covering it?

What I want to know is how voting for a FISA bill that compromises the 4th Amendment can be considered to be patriotic.

I'd like both candidates to address that, please.

-Wexler

Posted by: William W. Wexler | June 30, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

what the hell happened to these guys? they were both a lot cooler 12 months ago.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm a little surprised at the level of discourse this post has generated. To say that some of the comments are inane would be generous.

It is ridiculous to question the patriotism of someone who has chosen to undergo the kind of public scrutiny to which a presidential candidate is subjected.

This line of attack is base and does nothing to inform the public about the candidates' views or positions on truly important matters. That Obama has chosen to respond to those questioning his patriotism is a sad commentary not only on the election process, but also on the folks who raise the issue in the first place. It is clearly a cheap and easy appeal, one that only has traction because most people are too lazy to take the time to develop a reasoned understanding of what each candidate stands for.

Posted by: enough already | June 30, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Juan McAmnsety seems to care much more about the invading Mexicans then he does American citizens! The people that obey the Laws, paid their taxes, fought the wars and built this country that are having their jobs downgraded, their communities destroyed, hospitals closed, education of their kids destroyed, social network used for the invading horde instead of American citizens.

Both Obama & Juan McAmnsety support policies that will turn this Nation into another Third World Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty & Misery the same type of society the invading horde has built in their home countries and are exporting to this Nation!

Posted by: Black Saint | June 30, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

So,pathological liar and yellow coward
Barack Hussein Obama and you Obamafools care to tell all of us,since your claiming
to be so Patriotic why the Hell did you
never volunteer to service in our US Military or are you following your fellow
yellow coward relative VP Draft Dodger
Dead Eye Dickey Cheney and "have other
priorities" you fraud Obama?

So your hiding behind a phony "Presidential
Seal",a dozen US Flags,and wearing or not
wearing a flag pin and now an American Flag tie,sure as Hell does not prove your
patriotic or that you fit to be President
and Commander in Chief of our US Military
either you lying phony Barack Obama! NOBAMA

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | June 30, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The Repukes love to take shots at Obama and try to knock him off his pedestal...but their man McLame is already fallen in the mud and can't get up.

You have to look at what the two men stand for. Obama is for change. And at this point, any change is good. 81% of Americans think we are on the wrong road.

McLame is four more years of the same. His policies are Chimpy Repuke policies. The only thing McLame has in common with a Maverick is McLame is a horse's a$s.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Down Range,

Your post doesn't make any sense. Full of insults, though. Typical.

Isn't "Weasel Wesley," a decorated veteran, exactly the sort of person "patriots" like yourself say we should listen to, no matter what?

I guess you didn't hear (or didn't want to hear) that Obama himself immediately criticized Clark for his comments on McCain's service.

Keep slinging that mud, buddy.

Posted by: drossless | June 30, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Juan McAmnsety seems to care much more about the invading Mexicans then he does American citizens! The people that obey the Laws, paid their taxes, fought the wars and built this country that are having their jobs downgraded, their communities destroyed, hospitals closed, education of their kids destroyed, social network used for the invading horde instead of American citizens.

Both Obama & Juan McAmnsety support policies that will turn this Nation into another Third World Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty & Misery the same type of society the invading horde has built in their home countries and are exporting to this Nation!

Posted by: Black Saint | June 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Through this war Democrats have consistently fought for better benefits for returning soldiers and for better equipment (armor, and much more) for those in harms way. The Democrats tried to increase the size the armed forces, only to be stopped by Republicans, who apparently now oppose a real GI Bill. The Democrats have also fought to limit rotations to a level that allows sending troops back to IRaq only when they are ready to fight.
While its true that the Democrats haven't supported Bush Foreign, its an INTENTIONAL LIE to say they haven't supported the troops. The Republicans have turned against the Troops like no party in American History has ever before, they are truly the enemy of all those in Uniform.

Posted by: Muddy | June 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Neil, Dems normally get 65% of the black vote? Really? You pulled that % right out of your posterior, I guess, as blacks routinely vote 90%+ Democratic and have for years.

Posted by: pfalduto | June 30, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Let's get it straight, global warming is caused by sun spots which are circular and right now we are in a less active cycle and will see the global temperature cool off for a few years. Get off the political football of global warming and get what's necessary taken care of in the USA.

Posted by: Claw Hammer | June 30, 2008 3:39 PM
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O Lord: a real brainiac trying to explain the "truth" about global warming. "Circular"? You mean "cyclical" perhaps? Sigh. I see he's beating the subject with the back side of his preferred tool.....

Posted by: abqcleve | June 30, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

This debate on who is more patriotic is ridiculous! Both candidates have done things in the pass to more than claim their patriotism. By the way questioning the motives and direction of the country is probably one of the MOST patriotic thing an American can do. Infact it is written into our Bill of Rights that if we feel our government is not representing its people we should and have the obligation to overthrough that government. So get off the who is and who isn't a patriot and vote for things that matter like education, economic plans, and healthcare. These are the things that will effect the lives of us, our children, and their children in this country!

Posted by: Dale | June 30, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

There is only one goal for this upcoming general election. The time has come for all American's, democrat and republican, to stand together and reclaim our country.

The republican machine that has cheated, lied and stolen from all American's must be stopped. No more killing our young men and women for personal gains, no more poisoning our one and only planet.

Above all, George Bush and those who aided him must be prosecuted for the crimes they have committed.

"YES WE CAN"

Posted by: Tyler | June 30, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not going to repeat Kerry's mistake.

The Repukes are crooks and liars, as the famous blog attests. They will do ANYTHING to win elections, even break the law by stuffing the ballot box.

And they'll LIE like a rug, even after getting caught at it.

Repukes are STILL spreading all the debunked LIES about Obama. They can't help themselves, they're psychopathic liars.

P.S. - The Truman Library in Independence MO, just east of Kansas City, is excellent. And you can make it a double header by visiting the the Eisenhower Library in Abilene, KS about two hours west on I-70. Also excellent.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

BHO is getting over 90% of the black vote. If McCain were getting over 90% of the white vote, those voters would be labeled racist.

I contend that about 1/3 of BHO's black supporters are utter racists. The dems usually get around 65% of the black vote, but now with a black candidate it is over 90%. Why? Easy ... because the color of his skin.

Racism comes in all colors folks. You should be ashamed.

Posted by: Neil | June 30, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not going to repeat Kerry's mistake.

The Repukes are crooks and liars, as the famous blog attests. They will do ANYTHING to win elections, even break the law by stuffing the ballot box.

And they'll LIE like a rug, even after getting caught at it.

Repukes are STILL spreading all the debunked LIES about Obama. They can't help themselves, they're psychopathic liars.

P.S. - The Truman Library in Independence MO, just east of Kansas City, is excellent. And you can make it a double header by visiting the the Eisenhower Library in Abilene, KS about two hours west on I-70. Also excellent.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 30, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pussy

"The really startling thing is that Obama supporters cannot tell you why they are. They have been duped by this snake oil salesman carny and do not even know it. Change, Hope, Turn the Page, Yes we Can...What? What is that?? The simple minded gullible nativity of the Obama cult swooners is mind numbing. They have no clue. None."
___________________

Actually, I am very aware of the issues and I agree with Obama more than McCain. That's why I support him.

It's not that hard to understand, as not everybody in this country is f*cking stupid enough to vote for another Republican with their backwards, destructive and totally failed policies.

But you just keep underestimating us and our intelligence. Let's see how that works out for you in November.

GO OBAMA!

Posted by: sequoia | June 30, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The more this guy talks, the easier it is to see past his glorified speech to his true form as an empty suit. The problem with Obama is that he is not a patriot, plain and simple. The rest is just talk and spin.

Posted by: WaPoSuxBalls | June 30, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Of all the stupid things said about Obama, the charge that he is so stupid he thinks there are 57 states is the most idiotic statement out there.

Hello, idiots, there were 57 primaries and that is what he meant. Should he have said 57 states AND territories AND DC AND Democrats Abroad? Maybe, but we with IQs over 1o know what he meant.

My gosh, this country has huge problems and yet some of you are obsessing about this?

Have you lost you minds? Did you have one to begin with?

Posted by: pfalduto | June 30, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Ummmm, Is this supposed to make me turn away from Obama?

He's my candidate and I am so excited to vote for him in November. Your right-wing bubble is going to burst when you learn these are pretty mainstream positions. I agree with him on almost all of them.

Time for a change. Bring on President Obama!

Posted by: sequoia | June 30, 2008 3:27 PM

________________________________________
You have the privilege voting Osama if you want.
I don't agree with him so I want vote for him there my vote will cancel yours.
Must not take much to excite you.:)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

True patriots won't re-elect the party that has trashed America over the last eight years.

Posted by: drossless | June 30, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Well, talking patriotism, & I'm a Korean Vet.,why doesn't McCain release his service
records? Kerry did. The fact that his father was an Admiral, & that he flew missions over the north, & was shot down, &
became a prisoner of war---does that make him patriotic, & able to be our President?
I'm not saying McCain isn't patriotic, but he shouldn't be ashamed of released service record, should he? Or is there a reason not to.

Posted by: Dick | June 30, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Let's get to the bottom of the matter. With gasoline $4 + a gallon and the Greenies will not let us drill or build refineries Senator Obama has his hands full. Any intelligent man or woman knows that humankind places very little into the air which is responsible for global warming. Cows and ants are more responsible than man. Let's get it straight, global warming is caused by sun spots which are circular and right now we are in a less active cycle and will see the global temperature cool off for a few years. Get off the political football of global warming and get what's necessary taken care of in the USA.

Posted by: Claw Hammer | June 30, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Folks, take a deep breath.

Failing a scandal, Obama is winning in 2008. If the Republicans thought they could win they would have run Jeb. The Bush people don't really like McCain. And the good Senator has shot himself in the foot so much over the past 20 years that he can only now limp for President.

This is a guy who was knee deep in the Savings and Loan Scandal. A guy who tried to whitewash his Keating Five past by sanctimoniously championing campaign finance reform. Reform that the Bush people opposed.

His amnesty policy depressed his base and their anticipated turnout. And if he picks the Mormon Mitt Romney it'll be another politically tone deaf move. The Republicans have conditioned their evangelicals to be narrow-minded racists. And they don't like illegals or Mormons.

McCain is running the worse campaign I have ever seen.

Posted by: JR, Boston | June 30, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Drossless, you and Obama would be well served to maximize your assets and minimize your liabilities. Not Lie Abilities.

Obama is the most self-serving, urban elitist lefty the Democrats could scrape from the bottom of the 1960's barrel.

He's a buffoon to pose with a dozen flags, flag pin, and flag tie. He looks faker than he really is.

I thought he was "for real."

And the day after Weasel Wesley dissed a POW and fellow officer.

Duhhhhh.

Posted by: Down Range | June 30, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

It sickens me to see some of the racist comments posted on this article... Sad. I bet you wouldn't be so brave in person... Cowards!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: coward

"The arrogance of this anti American street punk to define patriotism is repulsive. What a political hack."
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I believe Obama is more patriotic and any Republican, who cheer as our country crumbles and remain silent when crimes are committed in our name. They are fascists, not patriots and we will stop them in November.

Trust that.

Posted by: sequoia | June 30, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

captbilly: I've come to the conclusion that you're right. These people just want to hate each other. God help America!

Posted by: DD | June 30, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The really startling thing is that Obama supporters cannot tell you why they are. They have been duped by this snake oil salesman carny and do not even know it. Change, Hope, Turn the Page, Yes we Can...What? What is that?? The simple minded gullible nativity of the Obama cult swooners is mind numbing. They have no clue. None.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Every post about Obama draws outpourings of desperate Republican ad hominem attacks. Hoping that quantity hides the lack of quality, I guess.

My favorite is how they try so very hard to characterize a bi-racial man as "racist." Cute. Don't pull a muscle contorting yourselves like that, though.

Posted by: drossless | June 30, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama, American Patriot. Hahahahahahahahaha.
This is a Saturday Night Live piece, right?

Posted by: Tupac Goldstein | June 30, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Real racists are those that will vote for Obama because and only because of his skin color."

Well said!

Posted by: Who is the racist now? | June 30, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

What's even less Patriotic is any illegally elected President George W. Bush, VP Dick Cheney or anyone of their ilk who tramples our US Consitiution and condones the daily Murder and destruction
of innocnet lives in Iraq, Afghanistan, Colombia, and who supports regimes such as that of our so-called US ally Alvaro Uribe,
who's doing everything to sabotage his countries Constitution. Also, what's even more of an insult to American Patriotism aside from wearing a US Flag Lapel Pin or not saying the "Pledge of Allegiance" is to have an illegally elected President George W. Bush make a mockery of US Troops by wearing a flightsuit to make some ridiculous appearance on an aircraft carrier to declare "Mission Accomplished"
for our own aggressive and illegal intrusion within another country. Add to that, talking to a truely false God in Bush's case, and yes, we have some serious questions about what True American patriotism is.

Posted by: Jet-Man | June 30, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I am a Democrat but all I can say is "poor Obama." What I am most disturbed about is Obama and his henchman Wesley Clarke today attacked John McCain's military record. I do not love John McCain, but I respect his military record, his years of torture and his patriotistm.

By the way, wasn't Obama selling drugs on the street at the age McCain was in captivity.

You've lost me Obama if you continue this type of smear campaign--which you did on Hillary.

Posted by: Political Watchdog | June 30, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Down Range wrote: "If his patriotism was unquestionable, it wouldn't be questioned."

Nice example of Republican circular logic!

When people use the phrase "unquestionable," the unspoken assumption is "by honest people." There is nothing that someone with no honor won't question, obviously. Thanks for providing a pat example of that.

Posted by: drossless | June 30, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The arrogance of this anti American street punk to define patriotism is repulsive. What a political hack.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I see the real bigots are doing the accusatory "you racists who won't support Obama" crap through this and every other writing on the Presidential race.

The real racist are those that will vote for Obama because and only because of his skin color. Doesn't matter what he stands for just he is a non-white candidate.

Blacks will vote the color line so who are the true racists?

Posted by: BP | June 30, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse


Weisman can't resist, nasty propogandist that he is

callinn the Obama campaign liars. They denied what Weisman says was a planed speech.

But then,of course, by now everyone knows
whas Weisman is. And lately, what the Post is.
And that the stupid ombudsman, DeBORah Howell, of like ILK and mind, won't write anything by huzzahs about his stuff.

Posted by: tired of it | June 30, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse


xantiphi wrote:

"Here is a list of Obama's accomplishments:

* He voted against banning partial birth abortion.

* He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.

* Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.

* In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.

* Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as minimum wage affair.

* Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.

* His religious convictions are very murky.

* He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

* Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.

* Opposed the Patriot Act.

* First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.

* Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.

* Supports universal health-care.

* Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.

* Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

* Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.

* Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform.

* Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.

* Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.

* Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.

* Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.

* He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax

* He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax.

&n bsp; * He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.

* Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.

* He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing."
_________________

Ummmm, Is this supposed to make me turn away from Obama?

He's my candidate and I am so excited to vote for him in November. Your right-wing bubble is going to burst when you learn these are pretty mainstream positions. I agree with him on almost all of them.

Time for a change. Bring on President Obama!

Posted by: sequoia | June 30, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a patriot?

And what chuch did he go to for 20 years that SCREAMED "God Dmn America"

Let's not forget the flag pin BS which he reversed course on also.

Obama is an idiot (57 states in US>Obama)as well as an anti American racist.

His actions speaks for itself.

GD RACIST!!

Chevy - Educated Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Frank,

Nice, if typical, Republican distortion. His exact words are: "Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed . . . "

If you paid attention to words, you'd note that he wasn't describing himself, but where he *would be* if he didn't change his ways. Needless to say, he did, and so never became a "junkie."

But the truth doesn't much matter to you all, does it?

Posted by: drossless | June 30, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

If his patriotism was unquestionable, it wouldn't be questioned.

Posted by: Down Range | June 30, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I share you diagnosis of the problem, 21 yr. old, but am less optimistic of the solution. The ignorance that is so pervasive in our society is not limited to the older generation. I teach college and can attest to the same kind of ignorant views and uninformed opinions as being equally prevalent among today's youth. This is not an age issue, but is more about the general, widespread culture in this country.

Posted by: jakeweed | June 30, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The word "patriot" has been gutted and is no longer even meaningful. A patriot is someone that sacrificed their life to fight tyranny in their country. A patriot is the opposite of a loyalist, who just goes along with anything the leaders say, no matter how stupid or oppressive it is.

Being Patriotic has nothing to do with lapel pins ,the pledge of allegiance, or supporting the troops. If thats what patriotism is to you, do us all a favor and move to Canada.


Posted by: Zulu | June 30, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an ultra liberal high tax, redistribution of income, street activist, good speech maker, not too strong without his prompter, clueless on what a commander in chief is or what to do, really very naive and IS a Muslim and Black Liberation activist with very, very suspect associates. He is a fake, a fraud, an empty suit. Who is this guy? What a joke. Sure, why shouldn't he be President? Indeed there would be a change if he were.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

great speech... I'm really trying to do a gut check because this and the racism speech are speechs that have so much meaning. They will have the power of Lincoln if he is elected, maybe if he is not in that the repugs will have pulled out another by destruction. Actually, you almost can't blame them, the only campaign the repugs did not go major negative was Dole against Clinton. It's a monkey trap though long term especially.

Posted by: Pubichaironmycokecan | June 30, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Look, If some one ever runs for president, they should know that they are going to run into some major crossfire about all the stupid unimportant issues that either extremely abitious opponents or ignorant scum try to express... especially if it tugs the heart strings of the bluecolars. I am a moderate, but I vote for Obama because his Ideals are actually considerablely better than McCain's. You wanna know the truth? McCain wasn't even born in a State in the U.S. Niether did Hamilton... Do you consider them to be unpatriotic? No... Does a Patriot have to Serve in the Military? John Adams didn't and niether did Jefferson and they always were only a couple of votes away from each other... Oh and that rediculous comment about Obama being ashamed of his family because he doesn't put them on Camera... get real man! Would you like reporters putting cameras on you or your family.. I don't think so. So why don't you guys who are smashing Obama actualy get the facts right a read up from where he is from and what he had to go through and stop pulling things out from mid air. Be at least a little bit of an Historian if you are going to vote, and listen to a politician's stance on important economic and foreign issues, not social or rumors.

Posted by: rnoble1 | June 30, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

My God, you people just want to hate each other. There is no doubt in anyone who is seriously thinking about it that both McCain and Obama are patriaotic Americans. Every American has done things that some might consider unpatriotic. I joined a volunteer USAF as a pilot, so I think I can at least claim to be patriotic, but I did not hesitate to speak up when I thought my commanders were wasting the taxpayers money or needlessly endangering their crews.

I wasn't much involved in protests but I did say a thing or two about Vietnam, the Gulf war and the Iraq invasion. DOes that questioning of our leaders make me unpatriotic or does the fact that I took some risk to my career make me more patriotic?

Posted by: captbilly | June 30, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I AM A RACIST. I AM AGAINST RACING TO OBLIVION AS BOTH PARTIES ARE DOING. McBush and McGovernLite need to become their own men. I believe both are smart enuf to do the Prez job - now one of them just has to prove it to me!

May the best man for America win!

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | June 30, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse


"If the Founding Fathers thought military men made better presidents than civilians..."

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They might have elected George Washington to be the first president.

Posted by: Miguel | June 30, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Calling all Republicans & Democrats, you're all Americans. Can we have some civility on this blog? Let's accept that some folks will never vote for Obama, and some folks won't vote for McCain. Take the anger out, and start focusing on where they stand on the issues: Economy, HealthCare, Education, Iraq, and Energy. It is ok to disagree with someone, but it's damn rude to be so spiteful. Keep focusing on where the candidates stand on the issues. Both candidates have flaws in their character. Let's accept it and move on.

Our irrational exuberance for character assassination in support of either candidate will not reduce your gas price. Now, can we focus on the issues? Who has the best policies for Economy, Energy, Health Care, Education, Bring the troops home from Iraq. Are there no rational people out there or have we all become idealogs?

Posted by: DD | June 30, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

to greg neu beck:

Your posting is pathetic, As it is a mix of thruth, lie, rumor as crap. While Senator Mc Cain was tortured as a POW from 10/2/1967 until early 1973, Senator Obama was between 4 and 10 years old. When Airs commited acts against the government Senator Obama did not know him, and did not meet him for nearly 2 decades. When they did meet it was work related and the vast majority of there speaking was work related. How many people do you know run a backgroung check on every single man, woman, and child they meet.

it is also important to note the it has never been said by either one of them that they are friends. There know each other, and are friendly. In other words, we say hello.

As to your fantasies of sending others to do dirty work, that is what 527 qroups are for, Ask your local congressman about them. Senator Obama and Senator McCain have run the CLEANEST campaigns in decades, from the standpoint of what they do, and what they denounce. It is clear that Both senators deplore the methods of dirty politics, and each of them comment about the dirty actions weekly on avaerage. The comments are generally calling for the STOP of these tactics against their opponent. If you dislike Senator Obama, so be it everyone respects you RIGHT to make your desision and advocate for your choice. But if you choose to critize the opponent.... tell the truth. no rumors, no lies, no spin.

I'm undesided, and there is plenty of TRUTHFUL info on each candidate.

Posted by: AN EDUCATED PERSON | June 30, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse


You tell 'em Big O!

The Freedom Fries can not change the fact that Obama makes tens of millions of Americans feel patriotic, and I'll bet most Americans love this country enough to not vote in another Bush. But McCain is even worse since he's just a hand-me-down!

Posted by: Shawn | June 30, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Tidal Wave


Some of you will recognize the name of Bill Brown. He is a highly respected retired member of the Billy Graham team. This is his assessment of Obama and I accept his challenge to pass this on. I share his concern about the 'rock star' image Obama has and watch with growing concern at the celebrity status the media has foisted upon him. I hope this email informs you in a wise way.

We are witnessing a political phenomenon with Barack Obama of rare magnitude. His speeches have inspired millions and yet most of his followers have no idea of what he stands for except platitudes of 'Change' or that he says he will be a 'Uniter'. The power of speech from a charismatic person truly can be a powerful thing; Certainly Billy Graham had charisma and both his manner of speech and particularly the content changed millions. On the extreme other hand, the charisma of Adolph Hitler inspired millions and the results were catastrophic.

Barack Obama certainly is no Hitler or a Billy Graham, but for many Americans out there feeling just like a surfer who might be ecstatic and euphoric while riding a tidal wave, the real story is what happens when it hits shore.

Many people have asked, 'what has Barack Obama actually accomplished to qualify himself as a candidate for President?'

Here is a list of Obama's accomplishments:

* He voted against banning partial birth abortion.

* He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.

* Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.

* In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.

* Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as minimum wage affair.

* Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.

* His religious convictions are very murky.

* He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

* Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.

* Opposed the Patriot Act.

* First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.

* Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.

* Supports universal health-care.

* Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.

* Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

* Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.

* Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform.

* Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.

* Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.

* Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.

* Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.

* He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax

* He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax.

&n bsp; * He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.

* Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.

* He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing.

If your political choices are consistent with Barack Obama's and you think that his positions will bring America together or make it a better place, then you will probably enjoy riding the wave and not pass on this information.

If you are like most Americans that after examining what he stands for, are truly not in line with his record, it would be prudent to get off the wave or better yet, never get on, before it comes on shore and undermines the very foundations of this great Country.

We have limited time to save America or the Supreme Court as we know it.

REMEMBER: Inaction is still action.

Posted by: xantiphi | June 30, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

His past actions speaks for itself.

Chevy

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The grammatical corroboration of ignorance is inescapable and sad. America is in trouble because Repubs know this and know how to play it. It's tempting to believe Obama's increasing lead in polls will hold up, but expect a "kitchen sink" campaign, aimed at the lowest common denominator, to bring the discourse to an impossibly irrelevant, foolish plane. The saddest part may be that a fellow Democrat confirmed the strategy the Republicans will use after the convention.

Posted by: abqcleve | June 30, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Gobama..

Gotta say there Gobama there seems to be a strong undercurrent of racism in your rant. But then that is who your true racists are, Obama and his supporters. It is very clear.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama unpatriotic?!?

Why, he's willing to shred the Constitution (or at least the parts that protect our right to privacy) to show how patriotic he is! And as we've learned from the Bush Administration over the past seven-plus years, shredding the Constitution is the very DEFINITION of a patriot.

Posted by: Peter Maranci | June 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Obama was quick to add that the civil rights and anti-war protesters did their part to bring those charges on -- and to make them stick, "by burning flags, by blaming America for all that was wrong with the world, and perhaps most tragically, by failing to honor those veterans coming home from Vietnam, something that remains a national shame to this day."

Nice speech. Who wrote it?

Posted by: Joe G | June 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize how sophomoric and stupid Americans were until this election.

-He tried drugs (who hasn't? If you haven't then you know someone)
-He doesn't where a FLAG PIN (???)
-He didn't put his hand on his chest during the national anthem (should I care? At least he stood up, that's more than I can say for a lot of americans)
-His wife wrote a thesis on HER experience as a black woman at a white institution (White man please stop trying to tell someone what their American experience should be. Thank you.)
-His middle name is Hussein (can he help what his mother names him)

This is what you're arguing about and throwing in my face. The people running this country are stupid. And so many of the voters are equally if not more stupid for holding on to the dribble that these idiots spoon feed them. As a 21 year old, I simply can not wait until my generation takes the reins.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

So I click on the TOP item on your web site and I find a bit of so-so, too long commentary followed by a bunch of rants that really have no place mixed in with what purports to be journalism.

Enough blog. Bring back conventional journalism. It costs more, but - if you continue to cheapen your product - you'll end up with nothing more than any other web rant. And that would be too bad because every day there are fewer and fewer sources that emphasize information and informed analysis over aesthetics and emotion.

Posted by: David | June 30, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

IMAGINE IF JOHN MCCAIN WAS BLACK.

He wouldn't stand a chance in this election. He wouldn't be the nominee.

White privilege, eh?

Posted by: Politics of Changw | June 30, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

How is it a "false assertion" that the Faux-bama doesn't put his hand over his heart during the pledge?? We can see that to be true in the video. Are we not to believe our eyes??

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Notice McCain isn't denouncing his supporters using racial and patriotic slurs against Obama.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I believe his supporters owe Obama some racial slurs, considering Obama has already accuses the campaign of going to use them in the future. What a bonehead statement? Going to use racism coming from the mouth of the master racism user. What a low life?

Hope and change. Oldest political gimmick in the book and fools keep falling for it.
Damn. I quit falling for that by my second election.

Posted by: Chief | June 30, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

IMAGINE IF JOHN MCCAIN WAS BLACK.

He wouldn't stand a chance in this election. He wouldn't be the nominee.

White privilege, eh?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

If anything in this life is certain -- if history has taught us anything -- it's that you can Swift Boat anybody. Rocco?

Posted by: Kacoo | June 30, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

If Obama and his camp are so self-described "smart," how did they let Wesley Rhodes Scholar Clark open his mouth like that? Duhhhh. George Bush 2.77 GPA John Kerry 2.76

Stupid is as stupid does.

Obama is dumber than a box of rocks. Especially to pose as a patriot after THAT. Flag pin, FOUR flags, and a flag tie.

Please Obama staff, stop him from dressing up as Uncle Sam on stilts, Roman candles firing from each hand, and falling off stage.

It's hilarious.

Posted by: Forrest Gump | June 30, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

You did nothing to refute my assertion that you are a racist, therefore it stands and you concede that you are one. In this campaign the racists are coming out of the closet in their refusal to support Obama.
You are the typical product of neo-con manipulation. And yes, I do understand that our army is a "volunteer" one. But you have to admit that the Bush administration has been offering outrageous military bonuses for young white men to go to Iraq and kill innocents. If you tack on the bonuses to hazard pay and base pay, these folk are making a ridiculous amount for what would essentially be in the United States, murder.
Its no wonder that we are so hypocritical. Our nation is based on hypocrisy. While white men are paid to murder non-whites in Iraq, young black men are dying in the streets and are infected with AIDS. Those are the real heroes.
McCain does not know whats its like to be black in America. Obama has had that experience and I would vote for him any day over a tired old racist white man.
America is changing and we don't need McCain's politics of the past.
Go ahead and be said. The world is changing, and white men don't rule it anymore. Good riddance.

Posted by: Gobama | June 30, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

re: illegals

You are right that it is wrong for politicians to allow a shadow economy to develop and for borders to be so insecure.

It doesn't help the economy (tax receipts down, health care and other expenses up) and it doesn't help our national security to have well worn paths that illegals can walk.

But there is something to be said for humility and tolerance. And we should say it as we enforce the current laws over a strict five year period and reform immigration the way we reformed welfare 12 years ago.

No to amnesty. No to enhanced rights to people who broke the law to get here. Our ideals of equality and justice DEMAND that those people leave, return home, and get in line behind the people who have had the grace and decency to respect America and her laws. Amnesty violates the ideals of equality and justice.

When the public DEMANDS that politicians ACT and EXECUTE THE LAWS then perhaps the politicians will listen. Or we can vote and throw them out into the street.

Posted by: JR, Boston | June 30, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Enter Barack Obama using the same kind of politics of old, but worse. He has his henchmen attempt to smear his opponents, while he sits back and says I disagree while in the background, he encourages the smear campaigns.
What has Barack Obama done for this country, absolutely nothing. His brief stint in the Senate mostly consisted of his own selfish ambition of pursuing the presidency. He hardly showed up for his job, and was not present on most important votes.
John McCain has put his life on the line, and holds the nation above himself. This is the kind of leader I want, and America needs. I may disagree with John McCain on some of his policies, but I admire him for telling it like it is, and not doing what will make him popular or elected, but what he sincerely believes is right.
You cannot say the same about Obama. The man is a lie, a farce, and an absolute joke. He has the audacity to promote himself as an agent of change when he represents the most wicked, deceptive politics and the only change he'll live is a hollow America with no change left in its politics.

Posted by: Northern VA | June 30, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Why can't we can disagree with Obama on the issues and agree more with McCain without being called racists, hatemongers and every vile name by the lunatics on the left?

Posted by: Teresa | June 30, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

News flash: the Bush/Cheney Presidency has been a disaster. The Republican led Congress chose party over country and the press either stood by or enabled the lies. Those die hard Bush (28% favorable rating?) seem so out of touch, almost delusional. Fast forward to now. Obama supporters seem childish in their devotion to their unproven, unexperienced candidate. This fanatical following of the cult of Obama has infiltrated the mind of Barack. I heard him speak about himself in the third person the other day. Hey, idiots. Nows the time to actually get these jokers to listen to us. Let's find out who they truly are. Haven't we had enough propaganda and media manipulation? What will be the difference between Bush in front of "Mission Accomplished" and Barack in front of "Hope" and "Change". It's all just images and marketing.

Posted by: David | June 30, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama- Is The Bus Driver About To Run
Over Another?

In the last few days, Gen. Wesley(I'M STUCK ON STUPID) Clark attacked the quality of Sen. McCain's military leadership & experience.

Hmmm?

Wanna bet that The Bus Driver is revving up the engine of that emptying bus for a
grandma like hit in the next day or two?

Posted by: concerned14 | June 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I watched the program on 60 Minutes last night where basically 1 million Christians have been ethnically cleansed by unleashing Muslim hatred of Christians in Iraq. I would wonder how these same people or people in the middle east view us as American when we try to swift boat Obama by calling him a Muslim. Aren't we sending a message of our hatred of Muslims to the very same people we are supposed to be fighting for to bring Democracy to this country. If I a soldier in Iraq I might cringe every time someone called Obama a Muslim and lost the hearts and minds of these people and made my job just that much harder. No doubt this plays very well in the Muslim press.

Posted by: DB | June 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

POISON=Bush=McCain=Dumb War mongering Republican Right Wing

Posted by: Raj | June 30, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
-Hermann Goering

Posted by: F34nor | June 30, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama described himself as a "junkie" in his book, stop blaming others for reading it and paying attention to his words.

Posted by: Frank | June 30, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

If patriotism can be defined by love of country and it's people, placing it's interest above all others, then both candidates fall far short. Positions soft on the flood of illegals, the intentional devaluing of currency in a vain attempt to remain competitive in a global market, to fidelity of commitment of blood and treasure in support of the policy objectives of an alien state and peoples in Palestine. How long must the American people wait for a candidate who unabashedly supports their interest?

Posted by: Jorge | June 30, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Not a speech. A lecture from Professor Obama. Free speech is verboten under Neo-Dem Nazis.

Posted by: Idi Oman OBama President for Life | June 30, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

So now NcCain has hired a former Swift-boater to run his "Truth squad"....

Let's get ready to rumble!

How about those boys that died on the USS Forrestal John?

Posted by: willandjansdad | June 30, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Don't tell me that words don't matter.

How about "'Til death do us part."

In McCain's case those words, that sacred oath, is only binding until a younger, prettier, richer model comes along.

I don't agree with their politics or how they have enabled their friends to bilk the system over the years, but at least the Bush people do family values right.

Posted by: JR, Boston | June 30, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Why was Cindy McCain quietly visiting Vietnam while no one was watching earlier this month?

Was Cindy picking up bindles of illegal foreign campaign contributions for Manchurian candidate McCain?

Is Cindy the real threat to run America under the puppet McCain?

Will Cindy be giving Vietnam and North Korea nuclear weapon secrets with President McCain's quiet blessing?

Where is the FBI when we really need some one to find the truth?

Posted by: Red November | June 30, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"Obama was quick to add that the civil rights and anti-war protesters did their part to bring those charges on -- and to make them stick, "by burning flags, by blaming America for all that was wrong with the world, and perhaps most tragically, by failing to honor those veterans coming home from Vietnam, something that remains a national shame to this day.""

So Obama is blaming 1960's ANTI-WAR PROTESTERS for the way vets are treated??? Wow - this takes "throwing under the bus" to a whole new level.

Obama, you can take your patriotism and shove it. Pandering politicians like you are exactly why I see no particular virtue in patriotism. But if I had a definition of patriotism it would very much include flag-burning and holding American responsible for the harm it has done in the world.

But keep going, Obama. Soon there will be no difference between you and McSame, which is what you seem to want.

Posted by: ccatmoon | June 30, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Once again republicans (as exemplified by many of the responses to this article) have no solutions, no policies, no platform and no answers.

They try to frame their opponent, in this case Barak Obama, as any number of things they think will make people afraid. They act like the third graders in my daughter's grade school... name calling and bullying to get what they want.

I believe the people of the United States have had enough. You can scream and whine and throw temper tantrums all you want, but we have seen what your approach brings: A war in Iraq launched on lies, executed with criminal incompetence, costing half a trillion dollars or more, and gas prices that have risen from a little more than a buck to more than $4 a gallon. The economy has gone to pot. We are rebuidling Iraqi infrastructure as ours falls to pieces. We have become a nation that, against the will of military leaders, tortures and imprisons people essentially forever without any due process. We spy on our own people and pass laws forgiving corporations for their crimes. We provide tax breaks to oil companies and work to take them away from farmers.

Conservatives like Bush, Cheney and Rove are not patriots... They are traitors... traitors to the constitution they swore to uphold.

So don't talk to me about patriotism. It's not something extreme conservatives Get to define any more. This is my country too, and I'm going to fight for it.

PS -- Just so you can't pull the "anyone who didn't support Iraq is a wimp garbage", I supported and continue to support the operations in Afghanistan. If we hadn't taken our resources to Iraq we'd probably have gotten that job done by now.

Posted by: todd | June 30, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Tupac Goldstein | June 30, 2008 2:40 PM
Brilliant move by the Obama camp. General Clark is totally disposable, and always has been. With Obama gainsaying Clark he collects a lot of brownie points. Well done! Hats off to Clark for making the sacrifice.


This is the old bad guy/good guy cheap political ploy. Hit 'em with the old 1-2 Nobama.

1. Have Wesley (Dimokrat Hack) Clark attack John McCain's military service.

2. Obama then dump Clark and state he would never attack "someone's" patriotism.

I didn't know "someone" even need his patriotism defended.

Posted by: Obomba too smart, by half | June 30, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Re: Derek

It's this type of tribalism that has kept Blacks from becoming "fully and truly" American. Historically black churches, give me a break. This is just a place to where the likes of Rev. Wright can prey on your deepest insecurities as he picks your pockets.

Posted by: David | June 30, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"His past actions speaks for itself.

Chevy"

now that's irony.

Posted by: yo buffy | June 30, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Some Repuke Nazi Neanderthal thug idiot moron wrote:

""Just to cover up the fact that I was: snorting cocaine while John McCain was being tortured as a POW in Hanoi;"

So now Obama was snorting coke between the ages of 6 and 11? The guy who actually WAS SNORTING COKE and chicken hawking it in the Texas Air National Gaurd is the retarded incompetent you idiot Repukes elected to best represent this country. How's that working out for you now, you Nazi stooge idiots?

Posted by: Republicans really are as stoopit as they appear | June 30, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

>>>Throughout my life, I have always taken my deep and abiding love for this country as a given," Obama said. "It was how I was raised.>>>

oh, Barack get over it. You are starting to sound like a politician. As a black I don't believe that statement and I don't care. I wouldn't be caught dead with a falg lapel pin and don't give a hoot about the national anthem. Leave those charades to criminals like Bush and Cheney.


>>>over the last 16 months, my patriotism [has been] challenged - at times as a result of my own carelessness,>>>

what because you forgot your lapel pin????

Posted by: Joe | June 30, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

How sad that the most important aspect of whether Senators Barack Obama or John McCain revolves around some ignorant half-assed wearing of a US Flag Pin.

Posted by: Jet-Man | June 30, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama is wrong about one party having a lock o patriotism. For the past three years the democrats have been actively trying to undermine our troops and the war on terror. That isn't patriotic. Obama and his folks will just bend over for our terrorist enemies, not defend this great nation.

Posted by: LarryG62 | June 30, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Notice McCain isn't denouncing his supporters using racial and patriotic slurs against Obama. Then again, he didn't denounce the Swift-boaters, either.
Posted by: Derek
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Got it wrong as usual Obamanite. I guess you think words don't matter even though you clown runs on words and working in the projects.

John McCain strongly denounced the swift boaters. Get it right for a change, please.

Posted by: Chief | June 30, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse


What a mismash. His historical reference are really questionable.

I think he might want to recheck recent history as well.

Why didn't he serve in our military if he wanted to be president since he was age 6.

why is his family and Michelle Obama's family hidden away and no one knows anything about them? is he ashamed of them?

Does he understand that when people wonder if he represents all americans they are trying to determine the level of his hatred of whites as a race.

What has he done for all americans, white and black?

Who is his speechwriter they are doing a poor job of marketing his schtick.

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | June 30, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I REFUSE TO VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN BECAUSE HE IS WHITE!!

Posted by: Country Voter | June 30, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Enter Barack Obama using the same kind of politics of old, but worse. He has his henchmen attempt to smear his opponents, while he sits back and says I disagree while in the background, he encourages the smear campaigns.
What has Barack Obama done for this country, absolutely nothing. His brief stint in the Senate mostly consisted of his own selfish ambition of pursuing the presidency. He hardly showed up for his job, and was not present on most important votes.
John McCain has put his life on the line, and holds the nation above himself. This is the kind of leader I want, and America needs. I may disagree with John McCain on some of his policies, but I admire him for telling it like it is, and not doing what will make him popular or elected, but what he sincerely believes is right.
You cannot say the same about Obama. The man is a lie, a farce, and an absolute joke. He has the audacity to promote himself as an agent of change when he represents the most wicked, deceptive politics and the only change he'll live is a hollow America with no change left in its politics.

Posted by: Nova | June 30, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Let's get back to first principles here.
Patriotism, by definition, is love and devotion to one's country.

And our country was founded based on the ideals of liberty, democracy, equality, justice, tolerance, humility, and faith.

If an honest, independent political historian were to go down the list and rank each major party by how well they have helped America achieve ideals - ideals that were carefully laid out in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Federalist Papers - it would be shown that democrats like Obama have done the hard work of elevating people to live up to the ideals while republicans like McCain and Bush - and their lieutenants like Rove, Black, Atwater, et al - have divided Americans against each other, divided us from our allied, played to people's fears, bilked the system (ie stolen from their brothers, and then lied about it) via all kinds of scandals, and narrowly equated patriotism with war mongering.

History will not be kind to this last batch of Republicans. Perhaps they can take some time off and re-define themselves.

There is nothing worse than a liar and a thief. There is nothing worse than the Republicans of the past 40 years. Nixon, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II should all have been impeached.

Carter may have been weak, Clinton may have been a player; but at least they didn't help their friends steal from the country and then lie about it.

Watergate, Iran/Contra/Crack, Savings & Loan, Enron, Iraq, Halliburton- and that's just the tip of the dirty iceberg.

Posted by: JR, Boston | June 30, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Democrat Harry Truman took the US to war in Korea where the US lost 40,000 men. Democrats John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson sent US troops to Vietnam where we lost 50,000. No American of the era took the side of North Korea. But with Vietnam many leftist Democrats sided with North Vietnam. Taking the side of the enemy has become a Democrat tradition. Liberal Democrats either deny that islamic terror is a threat to the US or believe that the US, and not militant islam, is the enemy. Democrats have accused US troops in Iraq of behaving like Nazis, eg Durbin of Illinois. For Democrats Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are not aberrations but represent the reprehensible country that they believe the US has become. Democrats side with islamists and wish for a US defeat in Iraq and their senate majority leader wishfully and reprehensibly declares the Iraq war lost. For liberal Democrats dissent and anti- US rhetoric has become the New Patriotism. I was a Democrat for years and frankly I prefer patriotism as exemplified by FDR, Truman, Kennedy and LBJ. These men would not have liked what has happened to what was once a great political party, their party. Obama is merely the latest in a long line of elite Democrat defeatists.

Posted by: mhr | June 30, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, God - another Obama speech?

Posted by: jose | June 30, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

You are both obviously racists. All the military really is, is government subsidized murder. Bush and a bunch of tired old white men made the foolish decision to invade Iraq. White country boys are over there killing innocent Iraqis for a handsome sum (you wouldn't believe the size of hazard pay and bonuses these days). The term "war hero" is an oxymoron. It's designed by neo-cons to brainwash Americans into thinking that our wars are just.
WAKE-UP PEOPLE. We are the evil empire today.
Instead of saying support our troops, we should support what's right. Stop supporting goverment-sponosored murder.
John McCain's war antics and his parading of his war career makes me sick. What's even sicker is the people who buy into that bs.
The real heroes are young black men who try to make it in a racist America. They face more hardship and danger than any young white boy in Iraq murdering innocents on the government's dollar.
Say no to neo-con manipulation fostered by the likes of the Heritage Foundation and Fox News. McCain represents the worse this country ever was.

Posted by: Gobama | June 30, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd just like to state for the record that there are some nutcases posting comments here today.

Posted by: James P. Coleman III | June 30, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, don't you wish there was some kind of Consumer's Report for politicians. Now, I admit, I am conservative in my economic and social views, but I could care less about gay marriage. I care more about raising my children and saving for college and retirement. About Obama's patriotism. All we have are his past actions and associations to judge him by. I would throw out his autobiography and commercials - how accurate could they be. I just don't buy - "I was never there when Rev. Wright said inflammatory things about the US". The landmark speech on Race was a farce.

Posted by: David | June 30, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Murder and sending our soldiers to their deaths in two Illegal Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is anything but patriotic.
At least Senator Barack Obama is pointing up the wastefulness of energy when it comes to arguing over what the true meaning
of Patriotism really is. Our United States is deteriorating as we argue over issues
which have nothing to do with patriotism.

Posted by: Jet-Man | June 30, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Here go the REpublican tactics. Time for all the racists and jarheads to come out and slander Obama as much as they can. It's the only chance they have to win is to spread lies and rumors about Obama.

Posted by: Mike Morgan | June 30, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

What really went on in that North Vietnamese prisoner camp?

What did they do to McCain's mind?

Is McCain a plant with a ticking time bomb set to go off when he is elected president?

Is McCain the real Manchurian candidate and Cindy the power behind the Communist throne?

I would worry America that you are letting the real red "fox" into the White House.

Know what you are voting for and not the false McCain image he likes to project.

Posted by: Red November | June 30, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If Republicans believed in themselves more, they would resort to insult and innuendo less.

Their constant resort to insult and accusation are the clearest indication of how bankrupt the party has become. It simply can't compete at the level of facts and ideas. They have to dumb the arguments down just to survive.

Posted by: drossless | June 30, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Remember in The Manchuran Candidate when Raymond Shaw and his platoon were captured, brainwashed by the North Koreans, Chinese and Soviets and returned to the United States? That's McCain! His 6 years as a POW was spent being brainwashed by the Red Chinese and now he's on the verge of becoming POTUS? Can't you see?! BEWARE Americans! The Red Commie plot is upon us!

Posted by: Queen of Hearts | June 30, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a patriot?

And what chuch did he go to for 20 years that SCREAMED "God Dmn America"

Let's not forget the flag pin BS which he reversed course on also.

Obama is an idiot (57 states in US>Obama)as well as an anti American racist.

His past actions speaks for itself.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | June 30, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RetCombatVet | June 30, 2008 2:12 PM

**** Big frigging deal - when you visit your proctologist, do you ask him first if his puts his hand over his heart during the national anthem?

Posted by: | June 30, 2008 2:36 PM

Well maybe you think BO is interviewing to be a national proctologist and you are welcome to your opinion but your comment about whether or not it is a big deal is important. That attitude that our laws and traditions are meaningless is what brought us to this point politically. Perhaps if more people paid attention to the letter of the law instead of whether or not it is correct our country might be in better shape. I see advertising utilizing the American flag and/or bunting. That too is illegal.
The people that act as you feel want to run the country? NOT!

Posted by: RetCombatVet | June 30, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

America is about to re-claim her rightful place in the world as the educated, the thoughtful, the serious, and the responsible replace the NEO-CONS.

The dinasaur politicians and lobbiests are desperate as their choke hold on the amrican people is being thrown off by the electorate.

EVERY one of you who is for ANOTHER BUSHCO TERM better think hard about what you wish for, and stop parroting the lies and ignorance on AM radio...

Or you'll get anothr 4 years of BUSHCO INCOMPETENCE!

Vote Obama for President!

Posted by: JBE | June 30, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"McCain's my man. Praise be to Allah.

With brother McCain we will soon own the country through our petro dollars. Ah, the United states of Arabia with Emir McCain as our leader. Has a nice ring to it. Bow to Mecca you heathens; we are here."

LOL!!!
Yes, the best thing that ever happened to Al-Queda was the re-election of Bush. Do you think it was a mistake that Osama bin Laden put out that tape right before our election? They know what they are doing. Bush has been the best recruiting tool the Terrorists have.


Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"Just to cover up the fact that I was: snorting cocaine while John McCain was being tortured as a POW in Hanoi; cavorting with treasonous elements who were blowing up U.S. Government buildings; attempting to undermine our military members while they were engaged in combat; and, contributing to fanatics who were condemning America under the guise of religion; I PERSONALLY will not question the patriotism of my opponent; but, you can anticipate a steady stream of my surrogates, such as professional front-man Wesley Clark, that I will dispatch to slime my opponent's patriotism on my behalf. I'm sure that you will support me in this noble endeavor." Commentary that would be given by Barrack Obama to his left-wing supporters in San Francisco if he was assured that recordings were prohibited. Greg Neubeck

Posted by: Greg Neubeck | June 30, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I love the idea that Obama is chicken. He's the first viable black candidate for a job that has a nearly 10% assassination rate (and would have been near 15% if those sho shot at Ford and Reagan had succeeded). Yeah, he's chicken.

Posted by: Mister Mxyzptlk | June 30, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse


LOL!

Listen to these right-wing fascists here.

I think they are so funny! They wouldn't know true patriotism if it came up and smacked 'em across the face. They think blind, fanatical nationalism = patriotism, and they wrap themselves in the flag as they cheer the destruction of our great nation by right-wing lunatics with no souls and no concern about the American people.

Obama is a real patriot, because he knows we can be better. Anybody who wants more Republican "leadership" must truly HATE this country and everything it's supposed to stand for.

Ignorant, anti-Obama freaks make me SO PROUD to support OBAMA!!!

Posted by: sequoia | June 30, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Well it certainly is pretty rude to question another's devotion to the Fatherland.

Sitting in a POW camp does not "make" someone a patriot, just a prisoner.

Posted by: puppy | June 30, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party in 2000 booted McCain out of the convention. It was rumored that McCain was a coward and not in the same class as George. Look at your own record Republicans!

Posted by: faulpelz | June 30, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

He wouldn't have to answer 'questions' of patriotism if journalists would just publish that he was born in the US and has been practicing christian for most of his adult life, And, he has never been a Muslim.

Obama wouldn't be having this 'tour' if it were not for the lack of reporting by the press.
Here we have a description of his tour, and not one word to explicitly squelch the gossip being spread by right wing liers.

Posted by: stoday | June 30, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain's my man. Praise be to Allah.

With brother McCain we will soon own the country through our petro dollars. Ah, the United states of Arabia with Emir McCain as our leader. Has a nice ring to it. Bow to Mecca you heathens; we are here.

Posted by: The Real McCain | June 30, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"I am sorry, but a person who attends Trinity Union Church for twenty years and touts the Reverend Jeremiah Wright as his spiritual guide has to answer questions about his patriotism."

Again, your ignorance of Historical Black churches smacks you in the face with your ill-guided words.

This was not Obama's fault. The anger portrayed by Rev. Wright is not unique to his congregation and it was portrayed in the worse possible light by the media. Anyone who watched the full sermon would have understood his hyperbole to make the point he made.

It is merely being replayed to stock the latent, inbred hatred and it is being done so well.

Personally, I thought Obama handled it quite well. His speech following that "scandal" was a landmark speech which is destined for history books for generations to come.

So, for bringing this up again, I have a sign for you.....

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Once again, what really matters is not being discussed - Economy, Energy, Health Care, Education, Bring the troops home from Iraq. We all know that McCain and Obama are patriots...period! The media and some folks out there like to use such issue in order for the public to lose focus on the bigger picture. This distracts us from seeking answers to what really matters. I hope like me you're all getting tired with this kind of politics. It's unfair to the American people. The American people just want the facts on where each candidate stands on the big issues, thus allowing us to make a decision.

Regrettably, it won't be long till the social issues become the centre piece of the campaign. The media has a part to play on this, and unfortunately they often add fuel to the fire. Both McCain & Obama are good Americans, having different perspective of how to move America forward. It is as simple as that! The question is who can best develop a strategic framework to achieve it and make us prosperous again?

The strategists from both candidates are disrespecting the American people in using personal attacks and/or character assassination. We are feed-up with this kind of politics. Give us a break. Unfortunately, it works because some folks either believe the rumors or don't research the facts. Can we please get back to what really matters to the American people?

Posted by: DD | June 30, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how so many, particularly in the Republican party, or who are simply
and blatantly ignorant insist that our
presently illegally elected President
George W. Bush and his VP Dick Cheney, who have consistently trashed our US Constitution, are true patriots, yet question both Senator Barack Obama and
his wife Michelle for simply being honest
about how they feel about Patriotism and the country as a whole. So, I assume that Senator John McCain, along with those in the Bush/Cheney Regime who have allowed two illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to be initiated causing insurmountable and uneceassary murder destruction for imperialist causes are to be veiwed as acts in the name of American Patriotism.
Right!!!!

Posted by: Jet-Man | June 30, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Brilliant move by the Obama camp. General Clark is totally disposable, and always has been. With Obama gainsaying Clark he collects a lot of brownie points. Well done! Hats off to Clark for making the sacrifice.

Posted by: Tupac Goldstein | June 30, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Is it possible that some people are this ignorant to question someone's patriotism because he does not wear a flag pin or he was born in Hawaii, etc.? If you must be critical, do so by debating or questioning legitimate and substantial campaign issues and policies but then again I guess I expect too much of some people. They just can't help it, can they? Woe is me."

The racist idiots posting these messages are not smart enough to debate issues and when they try, the facts simply do not support their case. So all they can do is lash out in anger.

Forgive, for they know not what they speak and do as Jesus would do, Forgive and hope they learn the error of their ways.

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

(I was an army draftee, a Vietnam veteran.)
The Republican Party has stunk up this country in order to get money, oil, and power. The ills they have caused are as bad as the ones listed about George the 3rd in the Declaration of Independence. I wish Pelosi had the fortitude to let impeachment proceed. Republicans are not Americans. They are certainly not patriots, McCain included.

Posted by: Jon | June 30, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

So is this speach now his "BEST SPEACH EVVARRRR?"

Seems like everytime Obama gives a speach all the pundits faint.

Posted by: 761-091 | June 30, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry, but a person who attends Trinity Union Church for twenty years and touts the Reverend Jeremiah Wright as his spiritual guide has to answer questions about his patriotism. Taking stupid stands against holding your hand over your heart during the national anthem and not wearing a flag pin does not endear you to Joe American, either. And what of his association with Bill Ayres the terrorist? In fact, when Barack talks about his patriotism it's all about what this country has done for him. He praises himself for paying back his school loans. He trumpets his mom's use of the welfare system. Hey Obama, what have YOU done for this country? Registering blacks to vote? How about getting Blacks to stop killing each other and ruining their own neighborhoods? Where's your track record of achievement? Barack is no Jaime Escalante. Their is nothing to Obama. He has done nothing and led no one. His greatest achievement is marketing himself.

Posted by: David | June 30, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse


Then there was the photo of the flag and BO without his hand over his heart. Bone headed? Here is the title code with respect to the national anthem. He is a lawyer trying to convince you of his stalwart commitment to this country. I knew this and I am none of the above.


Posted by: RetCombatVet | June 30, 2008 2:12 PM

**** Big frigging deal - when you visit your proctologist, do you ask him first if his puts his hand over his heart during the national anthem?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible that some people are this ignorant to question someone's patriotism because he does not wear a flag pin or he was born in Hawaii, etc.? If you must be critical, do so by debating or questioning legitimate and substantial campaign issues and policies but then again I guess I expect too much of some people. They just can't help it, can they? Woe is me.

Posted by: pelohoki | June 30, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Once again, what really matters is not being discussed - Economy, Energy, Health Care, Education, Bring the troops home from Iraq. "

Well said!!
Obama is talking about these issues and has laid some very good ideas. He certainly has my vote based on his intelligent understanding of these problems and his knowledge that continuing the same behavior while expecting different results is tantamount to insanity.

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Having BHO do a speech on patriotism is like having Stalin do a speech on human rights. Hilarious!

Posted by: Freedom Fighter | June 30, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The ridicule from these posts is nuts. Obama has to serve to be President, so he's chicken, weak-kneed for failing to do so? You didn't say that when George took office. And...please...don't give me that half-naked attempt at flying a plane around an airfield as "service." Fifteen Presidents did not serve in the military and Thomas Jefferson was one of those. Just say in your post that you don't like liberals and quit the ridiculous entries. And by the way, it was the Republican party-hacks that called McCain a coward during the 2000 campaign when he ran against the nut that's in office.

Posted by: faulpelz | June 30, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Once again, what really matters is not being discussed - Economy, Energy, Health Care, Education, Bring the troops home from Iraq. We all know that McCain and Obama are patriots...period! The media and some folks out there like to use such issue in order for the public to lose focus on the bigger picture. This distracts us from seeking answers to what really matters. I hope like me you're all getting tired with this kind of politics and its reporting. It's unfair to the American people. The American people just want the facts on where each candidate stand on the big issues, thus allowing us to make a decision.

Regrettably, it won't be long till the social issues become the centre piece of the campaign. The media has a part to play on this, and unfortunately they often add fuel to the fire. Both McCain & Obama are good Americans, having different perspective of how to move America forward. It is as simple as that! The question is who can best develop a strategic framework to achieve it and make us prosperous again?

Posted by: DD | June 30, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Given the Obama campaign has crapped all over McCains service, this speech smacks of self-serving PR.

Obama's campaign got caught in a nasty piece of Sh!t, this is how they are trying to get out of if."

Um... I don't know what news you're watching, but Obama never took part in this. In fact, he is defending McCain as we type.

McCaine, on the other hand, has not done the same to stop the foolish Osama/Islam garbage...

So, it seems, another idiot raises his hand....
Here's your sign....

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Someone wrote the following:
("CHINA, RUSSIA, SAUDI ARABIA, AND SOUTH AMERICA ARE WATCHING YOU")


This is code for you better vote for Obama or else! I got a something to tell you so you understand....

Try to get this through your thick skull, my vote will go to the best candidate for America and Americans,
NOT your pals in Moscow or Cuba or in Venezuela.

Posted by: American Voter | June 30, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Cheney has made a secret deal with Dobson that if he bashes Obama with politics of fear and hatred to get McCain elected, McCain will make Dobson the first "Christian General" of the United States to implement a complete neochristian theocracy.

Cheney offered Dobson a uniform like the Surgeon General complete with a little pointy hat. Dobson refused the hat saying, "It's too Pope-like. I prefer a white hood intead."

Posted by: Roy | June 30, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Given the Obama campaign has crapped all over McCains service, this speech smacks of self-serving PR.

Obama's campaign got caught in a nasty piece of Sh!t, this is how they are trying to get out of if."

Um... I don't know what news you're watching, but Obama never took part in this. In fact, he is defending McCain as we type.

McCaine, on the other hand, has not done the same to stop the foolish Osama/Islam garbage...

So, it seems, another idiot raises his hand....
Here's your sign....

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I think the correct argument here is that John McCain is MORE patriotic than Obama - McCain may be a lot of things but seen as unpatriotic to the public isnot one of them.

Posted by: PAO | June 30, 2008 2:10 PM

**** Conservative garbage. Defining degrees of patriotism is totally subjective and naturally you guys want to set the criteria.

If the Founding Fathers thought military men made better presidents than civilians, they would have written that into the constitution and we would be like Myanmar today. U.S. Grant and G.W Bush are proof that military men do not necessarily make good presidents.

Posted by: Maggots | June 30, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I think the correct argument here is that John McCain is MORE patriotic than Obama - McCain may be a lot of things but seen as unpatriotic to the public isnot one of them.

Posted by: PAO | June 30, 2008 2:10 PM

**** Conservative garbage. Defining degrees of patriotism is totally subjective and naturally you guys want to set the criteria. If the Founding Fathers thought military men made better presidents than civilians, they would have written that into the constitution and we would be like Myanmar today. U.S. Grant and G.W Bush are proof that military men do not necessarily make good presidents.

Posted by: Maggots | June 30, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The jibe from Alex's post is as nuts as they come. Served? Obama has to serve to be President, so he's chicken, weak-kneed for failing to do so? You didn't say that when George took office. And...please...don't give me that half-naked attempt at flying a plane around an airfield as "service." Fifteen Presidents did not serve in the military and Thomas Jefferson was one of those. Just say in your post that you don't like liberals and quit the ridiculous entries. And by the way, it was the Republican party-hacks that called McCain a coward during the 2000 campaign.

Posted by: faulpelz | June 30, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I think the correct argument here is that John McCain is MORE patriotic than Obama - McCain may be a lot of things but seen as unpatriotic to the public isnot one of them.

Posted by: PAO | June 30, 2008 2:10 PM

**** Conservative garbage. Defining degrees of patriotism is totally subjective and naturally you guys want to set the criteria.

If the Founding Fathers thought military men made better presidents than civilians, they would have written that into the constitution and we would be like Myanmar today. U.S. Grant and G.W Bush are proof that military men do not necessarily make good presidents.

Posted by: Maggots | June 30, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I think the young Senator is right, he sometimes makes sense...and he is growing into a political figure of potential leadership as he is faced with answering American questions from a perspective as a Presidential candidate, rather than another urban left wing hack. I am encouraged. As for the Republicans, it's even too late for a blood transfusion. Sadly, the party that brought us the Contract With American is in material breach of their end of the bargain. How else could the young Senator be doing so well, if it weren't for the morally bankrupt Clintons and the brain dead Republicans.

Posted by: gary grimm | June 30, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Given the Obama campaign has crapped all over McCains service, this speech smacks of self-serving PR.

Obama's campaign got caught in a nasty piece of Sh!t, this is how they are trying to get out of if.

Posted by: Tra la la | June 30, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"How about questioning your patriotism in light of your having the view that 9/11 was America's fault! How about questioning your patriotism because you are a SOCIALIST!

good luck Osama, I mean Obama,,, you are going to need it. Keep trying to convince the crowds of voters that you are something different than you really are!"

Dude, stop with the Osama garbage...
Only an idiot would fall for that...

Oh, wait, you already proved your idiocy..
Never mind, carry on as you were,....

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Bone headed was his decision to deal with Rezko. Same reason for the church business and then there was the Michelle comment and thesis. These actions created doubt and have not been addressed.
Rezkos business partner was a convicted Iraqi citizen who supplied the cash for the loan to BO to buy his house. First it was a 10, maybe 20 thousand dollars in Rezko money, it turns out to be 200,000+. Bone headed or the result of foreign influence on his politics? I don't know and that is the point. This is how questions come about.
Then there was the photo of the flag and BO without his hand over his heart. Bone headed? Here is the title code with respect to the national anthem. He is a lawyer trying to convince you of his stalwart commitment to this country. I knew this and I am none of the above.
"

TITLE 36 > Subtitle I > Part A > CHAPTER 3 > § 301
§ 301. National anthem

(a) Designation.-- The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing.-- During a rendition of the national anthem--
(1) when the flag is displayed--
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
"
Then there is his statement about why the American public turned their backs on Viet Nam vets. I experienced this period of time up front and first hand. The American public was brainwashed by the media every single night. It had a lot more to do with this and the FBI and CIA activities in Operation Family Jewels than any protesters. Don't take my word for it do as BO should have done and find out the actual facts rather than what you think happened.
A product of the media playing the poor me everyone is so mean card 2 weeks after the race card. Just like a deck of cards, you never know whats coming up next from this guy.

Posted by: RetCombatVet | June 30, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

If my patriotism and spirituality couldn't fill a shot glass I wouldn't them brought up in a campaign either. Smart ploy there, Mugabe!!

Posted by: Mark | June 30, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"...blaming America for all that was wrong with the world". Isn't that why God made liberals?????

Posted by: | June 30, 2008 1:53 PM

**** And God created conservatives to mismanage anything they get their hands on.

Posted by: Maggots | June 30, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Essential hussein:

1. a Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, gas-bag - who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes

Coke-head Bush

2. twenty-year disciple of rev. "God D@#! America" wright

Can we say, "Jerry Falwell"?

3. pal to weathermen terrorists
Um.... Are you on Crack?

4. very, very experienced drug user (worth repeating)
Coke-head Bush (worth repeating)

5. partner-in crime to convicted felon Tony Rezko
Sealed Criminal Record Bush

6. hijacked the Dem nomination with FEWER votes than Hillary received
Hi-jacked the General Election thanks to his family-in-Florida Bush

Another Idiot raises his hand, thanks for the comment,...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Look, being a leftist liberal who probably discusses marxism and socialism over breakfast has gotten Obama far in life - he should just stick to that. Its what he is. If there are enough people to vote him in, fine. If not, oh well. Lesson's learned. This constant defense of his that is filled with spin in blatant disregard to the facts (there IS a video of him not respecting the flag) is getting tiring.

I think the correct argument here is that John McCain is MORE patriotic than Obama - McCain may be a lot of things but seen as unpatriotic to the public isnot one of them.

Posted by: PAO | June 30, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"With some voters it just doesn't matter what Obama says or does, he's too black or too Democratic for their tastes.

In some ways it reminds me of what I've heard Jackie Robinson had to go through to "prove" he was good enough to play baseball among white men. All he had to do was be better. That's all. Just incredibly better.

Obama doesn't have to prove he's better than McCain, he has to prove he's better than every white politician out there, that's all.

I think Obama is up for that challenge and I will donate another $50 to his campaign very, very soon."

Very well put, tony. And I'm going to match your contribution. This election is far too important to be decided once again by fear and smear tactics.

Posted by: Andy | June 30, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I heard Cheney has a top secret project at NIH where he will kill McCain when he is elected and take over his body for four more years of Jesuslandia including an attack on Iran for more oil and Halliburton contracts.

I also heard Cheney did not serve in the military either.

Posted by: Roy | June 30, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

EUROPE, CHINA, RUSSIA, SAUDI ARABIA, AND SOUTH AMERICA ARE WATCHING YOU


THE WORLD IS WATCHING AMERICA'S 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
THE WORLD IS WATCHING AMERICA'S 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
THE WORLD IS WATCHING AMERICA'S 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.


AND THE WORLD WILL JUDGE WHETHER AMERICA IS SUITED TO BE ITS MORAL LEADER.
AND THE WORLD WILL JUDGE WHETHER AMERICA IS SUITED TO BE ITS MORAL LEADER.
AND THE WORLD WILL JUDGE WHETHER AMERICA IS SUITED TO BE ITS MORAL LEADER.

London, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, Madrid, Rome, Tokyo, Peking, and the other capitals all look forward to cooperating with President Barack Obama.

McCain and Bush with their policies of failures are afraid to stand on stage with Harvard Scholar Barack Obama.

McCain and Bush have petitioned to have a dictionary at their disposal to keep up with Barack Obama's intellectual discourse.

McCain's public insults towards his own wife and Bush's public insults towards the AMERICAN PEOPLE have precluded them from moral judgment upon the World. McCain-Bush lacks moral and intellectual credibility to sit in judgment of the World and serve the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

AMERICA is voting in an intellectual scholar from Harvard Law to right OUR COUNTRY and prosecute the criminal super-capitalists.

The World is watching how a self professed Christian Moral Nation handles its pivotal point in history during the 2008 presidential election.

Will AMERICA rise to the occasion with maturity, dignity, intellect and grace?

Or will AMERICA degenerate into the GOP Republican's Policy of Hate?

Will GOP Republicans again toss evil words of hate to OUR PUBLIC and promote a filthy campaign worthy of pre-WWII Germany?

This is a pivotal time in AMERICAN history.

Will AMERICA run a dignified 2008 presidential election?

Or will AMERICA allow Hillbillies to take over the media and orchestrate the message of hate that will shock the watching World?

A barrel of oil was $24 when Bush took office.

It's time for AMERICA to nationalize Oil and Energy Industries for National Defense.

Rich Oil billionaires and Wall Street (super-capitalism) selling out OUR COUNTRY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA for their own selfish profits is unpatriotic and treason.

AMERICA belongs to AMERICANS and not to Wall Street sell-out super-capitalists who send trillions of OUR U.S. DOLLARS overseas in chase of the highest immediate return on their private investments. Greed does not work and greed is destroying OUR COUNTRY. Dependence on foreign oil and oil billionaire businessmen are destroying OUR COUNTRY.

Immediately nationalize oil and energy industries for U.S. National Defense. It's the intelligent thing to do. AMERICANS are collectively much more important than a handful of billionaire super-capitalists on Wall Street who have allegiance to no one, but their own private, selfish, destructive, and nation undermining capital gains.

Hillary does not appear very patriotic staying in a loss race strictly to gather more money to store in her $109,000,000 favor money chest that she and Billy received from South American cartels.

Is Hillary working for the Democrats?

Is Hillary working for All AMERICANS?

Hillary is working for herself and has become and unpatriotic joke.

McCentury McSame (Bush Part III) wants to continue Bush's failed policies.

McSame (Bush III) is not very smart and will go after Hillary's Hillbilly and pig farmers votes.


GOP REPUBLICAN MCCAIN-BUSH HOODWINKED AMERICA

MCCAIN-BUSH (POLICIES OF FAILURES) HAS A LOT TO ANSWER FOR:

WAR FOUGHT ON THE PREMISE OF UPROOTING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT WERE NEVER FOUND,

THE FAILURE TO CATCH OSAMA BIN LADEN,

MCCAIN-BUSH DISGRACEFUL PROCLAMATION "MISSION ACCOMPLISH"

MCCAIN-BUSH ASSUMPTION THAT WE WOULD BE GREETED AS LIBERATORS AND NOT INVADERS

MCCAIN-BUSH INVASION OF OUR WHITE HOUSE (AMERICA HOUSE)

TURNING IRAN INTO THE "GREATEST BENEFICIARY" OF THE IRAQ WAR

MANIPULATING THE PRICE OF OIL FROM $24.00 A BARREL TO $145.00 A BARREL. WHOSE INTEREST ARE THEY LOBBYING FOR? MCCAIN-BUSH POLICIES ARE NOT IN AMERICA'S INTEREST.

PLANS TO KEEP AMERICAN TROOPS IN IRAQ FOR 100 YEARS

PLANS TO INITIATE THE DRAFT TO SECURE ENOUGH TROOPS

These are just a few of McCain-Bush policies of failures that must stop.


AMERICA needs change now in a better direction.

Harvard Scholar Barack Obama will demonstrate how McCain-Bush has hurt OUR COUNTRY.

THE WORLD IS WATCHING HOW A SELF PROFESSED CHRISTIAN MORAL NATION HANDLES ITS PIVOTAL POINT IN HISTORY DURING THE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

EUROPE IS LOOKING FORWARD TO RENEWING FRIENDSHIP AND COOPERATION WITH THE UNITED STATES THROUGH PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.

THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS ARE VOTING FOR BARACK OBAMA

THE WORLD IS WATCHING ONE AMERICA.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Posted by: GOP Republican Failures | June 30, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

obama took more responsibility in one sentence than bush has taken in 8 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Everything Obama says is subject to quick revision, if he later finds that a revision would benefit him. Town Hall meetings? Sure, great idea!!! OOPS! Scratch that!!

Posted by: ERISAMAVEN | June 30, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

And don't forget: we all knew Bush is an Alcoholic, Coke-head with a sealed criminal record to boot. And that didn't stop us Smart Americans from electing him not once, but twice.

Why shouldn't we elect an adulterous opportunist this time around?

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"Didn't serve in the military" argument won't fly this election. George "Poop For Brains" Bush served in the military and we couldn't have gotten a worse President.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

How about questioning your patriotism in light of your having the view that 9/11 was America's fault! How about questioning your patriotism because you are a SOCIALIST!

good luck Osama, I mean Obama,,, you are going to need it. Keep trying to convince the crowds of voters that you are something different than you really are!

Posted by: WJP | June 30, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse


.
Essential hussein:

1. a Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, gas-bag - who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes
2. twenty-year disciple of rev. "God D@#! America" wright
3. pal to weathermen terrorists
4. very, very experienced drug user (worth repeating)
5. partner-in crime to convicted felon Tony Rezko
6. hijacked the Dem nomination with FEWER votes than Hillary received

/

Posted by: ALEX H | June 30, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has never served a day in the military nor does he intend to. He is all show and talk. How will his staff dress him up in Iraq a blue flak jacket? They will no tbe able to show him form the blt down as he will have peed his pants when a shot is fired within 10 miles of him. Just think the secret service gets to protect this whimp."

Another fool raises his hand, thanks!!!

Bush didn't serve either, in fact, he ran away from service.

How stupid we are....

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Eric | June 30, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain's people better be careful trying to question Obama's patriotism. Some might begin to question why McCain made propoganda films for the North Vietnamese during the Vietnam War. There were other American prisoners held in captivity and they didn't submit to making these films. Also, Some might begin to ask why he would cheat on, and then divorce his devoted crippled first wife to marry a much younger, much richer blonde beer heiress. Those who live in glass houses McCain shouldn't....
you know the rest.

Posted by: A.Lincoln | June 30, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama has never served a day in the military nor does he intend to. He is all show and talk. How will his staff dress him up in Iraq a blue flak jacket? They will no tbe able to show him form the blt down as he will have peed his pants when a shot is fired within 10 miles of him. Just think the secret service gets to protect this whimp.

Posted by: Kblit | June 30, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

well....looks like this presidential race will be about who can withstand the rumors. Aint that a shame. All I can say is that if Mc Cain looses, he will go down in History as the first white guy to loose the white house against a black guy. Whats even more harsh is that if Obama looses the white house, he will go down in history as the first black guy to lose the white house and probably set precedent that a black man cannot win the white house. either way this race goes, it will make history both positive and negative way.

Posted by: Bruce | June 30, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"McCain crashed 4 Jets, set one Aircraft Carrier on fire and ended up being captured in Nam. Some hero"

And don't forget, Bush lost his wings in the National Guard, but somehow his service was better than Kerry's in 'Nam

Like I said, all Conservatives can do is Character Assassination because they have no *facts* on their side.

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I am so happy to hear Obama talk about patriotism as requiring "a willingness to sacrifice." That doesn't just include physical sacrifice in combat. It also must include financial sacrifice for the rest of us beyond the $2 or so to put a magnet or sticker on your car or a pin in your lapel. If you oppose anything and everything that might involve a tax increase, including providing the best we can provide in equipment and benefits for our troops in harm's way, your patriotism is a lie. Many, including me, will argue that leaving our citizens in financial ruin due to events over which they had little or no control simply because of a desire to avoid a few bucks in taxes is equally inconsistent with genuine patriotism.

Whoever the next president is, Republican or Democrat, will have to pay for this administration's military idiocy somehow, or they will leave our economy in a hole we may never be able to pull out of. A tax increase--one that should have come five years ago--is pretty much inevitable. Patriotic Americans will do what is necessary to keep our country strong.

Posted by: szwheelock | June 30, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Another lecture for Americans from Professor Hussein Osama, I mean Obama. And if you question him or his loyalty, how dare you! Just simply don't. We have no reason for questioning the patriotism of people who are unquetionably not patriotic!"

Hmmmm... Case and point....


Another Idiot raises his hand... Thanks for showing us your stupidity.,....

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain crashed 4 Jets, set one Aircraft Carrier on fire and ended up being captured in Nam. Some hero

Posted by: Vietnam Vet MACV | June 30, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Why is it that folks forget he's half-white, anyway?"
Because self-grandizing White Americans can't see past the color of someone's skin.

Because self-grandizing White Americans are too ignorant to look at facts.

Because by and large, Americans are afraid of "Intellectuals" - after all, Bush got elected because he is an anti-intellectual and Conservatives painted Kerry (among other things) as an Intellectual.

Because, God forbid!! - we should elect someone smart to lead us....

Just look at where anti-intellectualism has brought us.

What is the definition of insanity?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Another lecture for Americans from Professor Hussein Osama, I mean Obama. And if you question him or his loyalty, how dare you! Just simply don't. We have no reason for questioning the patriotism of people who are unquetionably not patriotic!

Posted by: WJP | June 30, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I am just so sick of Republican smear tactics. It's refreshing to hear a Politician keeping the focus on the issues.

But don't worry, Republicans will find a way to continue the Character Assassination campaigns like they *always* do because the facts are not on their side. All they can do is lash out in anger because anger is all they have.

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"...blaming America for all that was wrong with the world". Isn't that why God made liberals?????

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo


-- I totally agree with that, I blame a large majority of "politics as usual" on the people who buy into it. Its true that pandering works for votes - and you know who is to blame for that? I'll give you a hint - his name is gullability.

Posted by: Nick | June 30, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Notice McCain isn't denouncing his supporters using racial and patriotic slurs against Obama. Then again, he didn't denounce the Swift-boaters, either.

I guess it's OK to slander a Democrat's service record, but not a Republican.

Why, Bush even fled the National Guard and that was more "patriotic" than serving in Vietnam as far as McCain was concerned.

Posted by: Derek | June 30, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

With some voters it just doesn't matter what Obama says or does, he's too black or too Democratic for their tastes.

In some ways it reminds me of what I've heard Jackie Robinson had to go through to "prove" he was good enough to play baseball among white men. All he had to do was be better. That's all. Just incredibly better.

Obama doesn't have to prove he's better than McCain, he has to prove he's better than every white politician out there, that's all.

I think Obama is up for that challenge and I will donate another $50 to his campaign very, very soon. (Yes, I am a white Democrat who is old enough to have been inspired by Bobby Kennedy.)

Why is it that folks forget he's half-white, anyway?

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | June 30, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

And just WHY does Obama need to defend his patriotism? Because Jonathan and the Washington Post feel he should be wearing his flag lapel pin more often?

Posted by: JLE | June 30, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Obvious attempt by Obama to obscure the issue of McCain's military service versus his own perceived patriotism.

McCain and Obama need to stick to the issues and get off the pure campaign bandwagon.

Posted by: Maddogg | June 30, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse


Well, yeeee-haw!

Can't fool us OsamaBama Hussein or whatever yer funny name is. Ain't Ammuurrrican, I know dat! I herd yer a gay racist and a Mooooooslim turrrurrrusts who hates Amerurrica. See dat? He don't have no flag pin surgically embedded into his face which makes it all true.

Ugh.

Posted by: sequoia | June 30, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama has more patriotism in his pinky finger than McSame has in his entire body. Enough said.

Posted by: Playa | June 30, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

This is very good stuff. I also happen to think that Gen. Wesley was right in saying that McCain has no Executive Experience. This is true, neither McCain nor Obama have EE. Just like the media (you) defended Charlie Black when he said "another terrorist attack would benefit McCain" So, let's call it a draw and move on.

We want the two candidates to prove to us that they can actually run the country. We will look at this by how well they've run their respective campaigns, their policies, especially domestic. To me, this is hw I will judge them, although, I already know who will get my vote.

I think Wes. is right!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Just a factual note: Harry Truman was born in Lamar, Missouri. We stumbled upon this fact and this town last summer -- a nice little memorial there.

Posted by: John Hodgson | June 30, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Neither Obama or McCain should have to defend their patriotism. I do think McCain needs to explain his moral standards though. Divorcing your crippled, first wife and kids for a much younger, much richer blonde heiress begs the moral question for McCain. Having self confessed adulterous affairs, calling your second wife a "cu*t"...I question McCain's moral compass.

Posted by: A.Lincoln | June 30, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

GOP Republican McCain-Bush Have Many Many Many Crisis To Answer For
McCain-Bush III Democracy Crisis
McCain-Bush III American People Crisis
McCain-Bush III U.S. Constitution Crisis
McCain-Bush III Barrel of Oil Crisis (Democrat $24 changed to GOP Republican $145)
McCain-Bush III GOP Republican Wall Street Oil Speculation Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street Super-capitalism cannibalistic Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street selling America to Saudi Arabia Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street selling America to India Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street selling America to China Crisis
McCain-Bush III Iraq War Crisis
McCain-Bush III Relations with Iran Crisis
McCain-Bush III Relations with North Korea Crisis
McCain-Bush III Relations with China Crisis
McCain-Bush III Healthcare Crisis
McCain-Bush III U.S. Economics Crisis
McCain-Bush III U.S. Employment Crisis
McCain-Bush III Out Sourcing American Jobs Crisis
McCain-Bush III Auto Industry Crisis
McCain-Bush III Energy Crisis
McCain-Bush III Overseas Tax Haven Rich Tax Avoidance Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wage Gap Crisis
McCain-Bush III Lack of Employees' Rights Crisis
McCain-Bush III Dubious War on Drugs Crisis
McCain-Bush III Education Crisis
McCain-Bush III School Shooting Crisis
McCain-Bush III GOP Republican Drug Money Laundering Crisis
McCain-Bush III GOP Republican Drug Cartel Kickbacks Crisis
McCain-Bush III Prime Time Soft Pornography Crisis
McCain-Bush III GOP Republican Wall Street Mad Cow Crisis
McCain-Bush III Poison Water Crisis
McCain-Bush III Poison Air Crisis
McCain-Bush III Poison Agriculture Crisis (Asia won't accept our food)
McCain-Bush III Rich GOP Republican Treasury Robbery Crisis
McCain-Bush III American People Lack Confidence in Government Crisis
McCain-Bush III World Chaos Crisis
McCain-Bush III Food Price Crisis
McCain-Bush III Global Warming Crisis
McCain-Bush III Disasters in America Crisis
McCain-Bush III Katrina Crisis
McCain-Bush III Racist Talk Radio Crisis
McCain-Bush III Racist O'Reilly and Fox News Crisis
McCain-Bush III Housing Crisis
McCain-Bush III U.S. Dollar Crisis
McCain-Bush III Deceptive Administration Crisis
McCain-Bush III Negative World Perception Crisis
McCain-Bush III Iraq War Crisis
McCain-Bush III Iraq War Crisis
McCain-Bush III Iraq War Crisis
McCain-Bush III Wall Street selling American Big Banks to foreign billionaires Crisis giving foreign sweatshop billionaires direct votes in Our Economy, Way of Life and Government

Posted by: GOP Republican Failures | June 30, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

Posted by: willandjansdad | June 30, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

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