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Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) speaks during a campaign stop at the Bayloff Stamped Products facility in Belleville, Mich., July 10, 2008. (Associated Press)

By Michael D. Shear
BELLVILLE, Michigan -- Sen. John McCain said flatly today that he does not agree with one of his top economic advisers, saying that former senator Phil Gramm "does not speak for me. I speak for me. I strongly disagree."

Gramm had said the nation's economic problems amount to a "mental recession," and added that, "We have sort of become a nation of whiners," he said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline."

To that, McCain, who is campaigning in the struggling communities of Detroit, said that "the person here in Michigan who just lost his job isn't suffering from a mental recession."

Asked whether Gramm would play a significant role in shaping economic policy in a McCain administration, the senator joked that "I think Senator Gramm would be in serious consideration for ambassador to Belarus, although I'm not sure the citizens of Minsk would welcome that."

McCain also responded to criticism from Sen. Barack Obama, calling the Democratic nominee "Dr. No" for opposing efforts to drill for more oil offshore and build new nuclear plants.

"I believe that he doesn't understand our energy needs nor does he understand our national security needs," McCain said.

The Republican nominee quickly added a press conference to his schedule in Michigan to respond to press questions about Gramm's remarks, which threatened to undermine his week-long focus on the plight of the American economy and the need for action.

But back on the East Coast, Gramm told The Post his comments about a "nation of whiners" were directed at the nation's leaders, not its people. But he insisted in an interview that the economy is not in recession, and he declined to retract the comments quoted yesterday in the Washington Times.

"I'm not going to retract any of it. Every word I said was true," Gramm said in an interview.

Even as Gramm refused to back down, McCain was in this hard-hit Detroit suburb trying desperately to empathize with the plight of the auto worker.

And not having much luck.

Speaking at an auto parts supplier, McCain said repeatedly that he understands how much the Michigan economy had declined, with unemployment over 8 percent and 70,000 lost jobs since the beginning of the year.

"America is hurting today. Michigan is hurting today. The automotive industry is hurting," he said to open a town hall here. "We have to understand the urgency of the situation and we should remind ourselves time after time."

But the crowd of about 100 sat on their hands in stony silence throughout most of his speech, especially his lecture about the need for free trade -- a policy not embraced in this town.

The first question was from a man who urged a different point of view, saying that "what we need to do is control some of those trade issues going on. What we want is fair trade."

McCain again expressed his sympathy, but refused to back down on trade, instead singing the praise of the American spirit of innovation and an education system that he said can be repaired to effectively retrain displaced workers.

But in sharp contrast to Gramm's comments, McCain repeatedly returned to the pain felt by Americans because of economic problems right now.

"The state of Michigan is hurting very badly as we all know," McCain told reporters after the town hall. "We've suffered from severe job losses and even other problems that have been very very severe and impacted families and individuals and companies and corporations."

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Posted by: 4yqhr14nfh | July 22, 2008 2:14 PM

McCain = McSame!

He's the SAME kind of Whiteman that made America Great!

Anyone who votes for Obama is an Idiot!

http://www.americansolutions.com/

Here's a Solution!

Posted by: McSame 08' | July 12, 2008 9:51 PM

Of course he will distance himself from the remarks, but not from the man.They are thick as thiefs.If the media trolls would report the news fairly, their are 10 things John Mcsame has said this week that would make you wonder how the Gop decided on Mcsame to be their nominee.But that will not happen.They just want to lie and and try to stick it to OBAMA.But you notice OBAMA hasn't said anything.He is waiting for the debates with Mcsame.I can't wait.

Posted by: Carolyn | July 11, 2008 4:29 PM

"Gramm's remarks...threatened to undermine his week-long focus on the plight of the American economy and the need for action."

Problem with Gramm is he says things aloud so everyone can hear that Republicans mostly say only privately.

McCain's economics boils down to cutting taxes for the rich (that he had previously opposed) and letting the market sort out everything.

Posted by: Jobless old white vet | July 11, 2008 3:46 PM

Re: "are you saying Mccain is gay?"

Obama Campaign should stop this series of nasty attacks against Senator McCain.

By posting this, you just confirmed the rumors about Obama. Sorry.

Posted by: Premier | July 11, 2008 2:46 PM

Mccain like Bill Clinton is not used to the internet youtube and todays ability to access information. Here is an interesting example from the last few days as he tries to bullsh&t people with a story.
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Yesterday in Pittsburgh, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., professed his love for the Steelers to KDKA-TV.

Watch HERE.

Asked what first comes to his mind when he thinks of Pittsburgh, McCain chuckled, "the Steelers. I was a mediocre high school athlete but I loved and adored the sports but the Steelers really made a huge impression on me particularly in my early years."

And then McCain told a rather moving story about his time as a P.O.W. "When I was first interrogated and really had to give some information because of the pressures, physical pressures on me, I named the starting lineup, defensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers as my squadron mates."

"Did you really?" asked the reporter.

"Yes," McCain said.

"In your POW camp?" asked the reporter.

"Yes," McCain said.

"Could you do it today?" asked the reporter.

"No, unfortunately," McCain said.

Here's one reason he likely couldn't do it today -- the Steelers aren't the team whose defensive line McCain named for his Vietnamese tormentors. The Green Bay Packers are. At least according to every previous time McCain has told this story. And the McCain campaign just told ABC News that the senator made a mistake -- it was, indeed, the Packers.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 2:12 PM

I think it's a bit too late for him to distance himself. They're thick as thieves.

Posted by: Susan | July 11, 2008 2:06 PM

Here is that town hall meeting on 7/7/08 with the vet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG77dI_ZSl8

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:49 PM

Did you see him at his town-hall meeting when confronted a couple days ago by a vet about his voting record? First he tried to lie his way out of it. Then he pretty much said the Viet Nam vet was lying. Then when the vet said he had the voting record with him on Mccains votes on veterans issues and would be happy to read it.

Then Mccain said, "You have your version of my voting record and I have mine".
What the hell did that mean? The record is the record. Mccain just makes things up as he goes along and when confronted either can't remember or just tells another lie.

This was the same town hall meeting by the way, where the 60 old woman was arrested for having sign saying "Mccain = Bush".. Mccain if he could would love a Gestapo he could use to control people he doesn't agree with. He wants to control the media now and what they can say, I am sure you all saw that story the other day. Like he also wants to kill whole populations of nations he doesn't like. If he is elected we can replace the presidential seal with a swastika for this little Hitler.

++++++
Cowardly McCain continues to run away while shouting words of hate and fear.

Posted by: | July 11, 2008 1:25 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:45 PM

Cowardly McCain continues to run away while shouting words of hate and fear.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:25 PM

Phil Gramm should know about whining I think his wife was on board of Enron when they went under.

Posted by: Glenn | July 11, 2008 1:24 PM

are you saying Mccain is gay?
---


Re: "Mccain uses vagara"

What is wrong with this???

Posted by: Premier | July 11, 2008 12:30 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:14 PM

You have to watch the video, He is so uncomfortable he is not even able to say the word. He obviously uses it. Besides that, there is nothing wrong with being a limp dick. It is a very funny video.

==============
Re: "Mccain uses vagara"

What is wrong with this???

Posted by: Premier | July 11, 2008 12:30 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:05 PM

This proves why Mccain's economic policies suck. How can you solve an economic issues when you don't think there are any. Now that you idealology of the Mccain campaign and his advisors you should run like hell away from Mccain. Especially when his advisor appology was worst than the comment.

Posted by: Brenda | July 11, 2008 1:03 PM

If Mccain is elected than middle class America can't blame or begin whinning to anybody because Graham gave us a insight on what Mccain and his advisors really think about the challenges of our economy. " There's no problem with the economy, we are just a nation of whinners." So if your concern with the economy and vote for Mccain than don't become a whinner later like Mccain's economic advisor said.

Posted by: Jose | July 11, 2008 12:59 PM

Stop blaming the commodity traders. They are a reactionary group. Their moves fluctuate with the news wire and if the dollar were not being diluted by the government and the Fed the commodity prices would be stable moving the speculators to another venue. They are blaming the traders when the responsibility for making the traders active in the arena is their own.
Follow the money while the country suffers take a close look at our leaders on both sides and see how their portfolios are bulging with huge profits. They don't want to fix anything because for them its working just fine. They look at John Q. Public, snear behind his back and laugh all the way to the bank. Its time to clean house and throw the crooked bums out.

Posted by: Fedup Floridian | July 11, 2008 12:57 PM

Let's see: Phil Gramm, one of the 300 economic experts supporting McCain last week? That Phil Gramm? No, never heard of him.

Chis Brown in Hamburg

Posted by: Chris Brown | July 11, 2008 12:33 PM

Re: "Mccain uses vagara"

What is wrong with this???

Posted by: Premier | July 11, 2008 12:30 PM

The republicans have been in power 12 years. When Bush took office, gas was $1.49 a gallon. You know what it is today. To all you idiots who think drilling in ANWR is the answer: the oil companies have 68 MILLION acres of oil rich land they REFUSE to drill on even though they have permits. It's the oil companies and the commodities traders who are keeping the price of oil artificially high and they've been helped by Phil Gramm and his wife due to the Enron loophole. There's a reason Ken Lay died in prison and Jeff Skillings and his cronies are IN prison and I expect to see the same thing happen with oil companie execs in the next one to two years. Nothing wrong with making profits, but PROFITEERING and PRICE FIXING is illegal.

Posted by: Bill | July 11, 2008 12:00 PM

Blaming Black fathers for Blacks'woes...that is just more whining.

Posted by: Pete | July 11, 2008 10:57 AM

Meanwhile Obama continues to pander to the middle in his selfish bid for power. Obama is the classic whiner, and hopefully bitter Americans can see past his machinations.
Posted by: Clinging and bitter | July 10, 2008 3:17 PM


So Obama is in a "selfish bid for power" but I guess McCain running for the POTUS is doing his civic duty. Bull!

McCains' flip-flopping is termed evolution of ideas, whereas Obama's is just flip-flopping. More bull!

If you listen to Limbaugh and Hannity you will understand very quickly who whines all day long. Conservative taling heads have been whining for years. Phil Gramm obviosuly has been listening to Limbaugh and Hannity too much.

Posted by: Flant | July 11, 2008 10:51 AM

A typical arrogant statement one of Bush's former yoyo's. Yeh, I guess it's all mental; people getting kicked out of their houses by predatory lenders just to get their deposit money. Gasoline $4.00 per gallon. All mental.
The only whining I'm doing is how much longer the American public has to put up with this administration.

Posted by: A Republican | July 11, 2008 10:51 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 10:16 AM

how can he distance himself from his economic "guru" as he calls Gramm. How absolutely arrogant of not only mr. gramm but the mccain campaign. yeah, I believe you're feeling my pain mccain. NOT!!
Lord help us all if mccain is elected. Another intellectually uncurious silver spoon brat.

Posted by: julie | July 11, 2008 10:14 AM

He is in everybody's pocket same as he would be if elected.

+++++++++
McCain is an American vet and, as all Soldiers, deserves the highest of respect for their dedication to our great country.

As a moderate Dem, once leaning red, I had felt that I could vote for McCain for pres because he seemed "fair" to the average folk. He was a guy with great integrity, a guy you could trust and a guy who would not fall on a particular side of an issue for political reasons.

But he lost his way....

Today McCain appears to moderate Dems as a deserter...or, no longer a Reagan Repub. He now seems to be following the neo-con ideology of recent. What scares me is his motivation to stick with it....He's not the McCain of old; he's just an old McCain.

But maybe he wins??

There are plenty of excellent Republican candidates that would do great things in a McCain cabinet. So why is he surrounding himself with these guys?? - Phil Graham?!?? WTF! I would've expected better.

Bad choice Mac. This was the last straw, ya lost me.
Posted by: NCal | July 11, 2008 2:07 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 10:14 AM

Just curious, Is there a Mccain fan that would actually make a bet on Mccain winning without big odds.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 10:11 AM

At $140/barrel for oil, the automotive industry of Michigan is doomed...yesterday. Be innovative, be very innovative or die.
But Obama blamed NAFTA, but the union blamed NAFTA, they are the whiners.

Posted by: Pete | July 11, 2008 10:02 AM


The tree huggers said that our 2008 Technology of oil surveying in the ocean uses seismic waves that disturb the fish!

Um, what happens when we go swimming? Think about it!

What the hell are Dumb-o-crats thinking!?

Posted by: Forgot to Mention | July 11, 2008 8:10 AM

America!

Stop your whining and sign this!

http://www.americansolutions.com/

Obama has consitantly said NO to every solution. Say NO to his inaction to create a solution!

Posted by: American | July 11, 2008 8:07 AM

America,

Want to stop whining!?!?! Here go to this site and sign a petition so we can get oil from the majority of the Earth. Remember 2/3 of the Planet is Water, If you didn't remember that from Geography Class! So what about 1 piece of land in Alaska, What after that?!?! Huh Dumb-o-crats?! Then What?

www.americansolutions.com

Stop whining about gas prices and sign this petition. We will have more oil from domestic production and we still will be upgrading to other fuels and after America, just 1 of many countries on the earth, upgrades off of oil then we can sell our oil to the other countries that still use it, much like they sell to U.S. today!

Posted by: America is Whining! | July 11, 2008 8:04 AM

Re: flarrfan

Good point. That is a typical Obama's tactic. He does not have any cards to play so he is blaming the media.

This is the last card that will sink his Fake Ship.

Why did you double-post this?

Posted by: Premier | July 11, 2008 7:26 AM

Re: McCain Campaign

McCain Campaign should not "defend" itself from Obama' attack:

"We have sort of become a nation of whiners," he said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline."

This statement is correct. Just release a statement. Tell voters "facts" that Obama does not know yet.


Posted by: Premier | July 11, 2008 7:21 AM

I have been scanning major newspaper sites this morning. To my surprise, those sites that are opting to have a home page presidential campaign story this morning, a relative minority, are still talking about private comments by a jealous semi-supporter critical of Obama but are NOT talking about the "mental recession...nation of whiners" comments by McCain's TOP economic campaign OFFICIAL or McCain's insulting, lame attempt at humor about the comments. I note that Drudge is headlining the unaired supporter's comments at the top of his page, but the Gramm-McCain flap is well down the list of stories. Thankfully the TV outlets are giving it play, but it sure looks like the dead-tree media has ceded its news and editorial judgment to Matt Drudge, and the continued emphasis on Obama and Jackson is simply fueling the impression of thinking readers that the corporate dead-tree media is fully in the tank for McCain. What the hell is going on in this country?

Posted by: flarrfan | July 11, 2008 6:24 AM

Mccain is afraid to say the truth! Gramm is right! I'm sick of hearing everybody say how bad the economy is. This is all from the liberal media. President Bush has done a great job, so everybody quit your damn whining and enjoy the benefits. And if you really think you are behind, its probably because you are slacking off and not working your ass off like the rest of us. Dam lazy liberals.

Posted by: Texas John | July 11, 2008 5:04 AM

Republican economics just does not work.

Huge overspending (the belief that deficits don't matter) causes a WEAK DOLLAR which increases oil prices which increase the cost of your gasoline.

Republican foreign policy just does not work.

Threats and wars with middle eastern countries also cause instability in the region which increases oil prices which increases the cost of your gasoline.

The state of America today is a 100% direct result of Republican policies. And McCain wants to go down the same path. UNBELIEVABLE.

Posted by: Jack with the FACTS | July 11, 2008 3:10 AM

McCain is an American vet and, as all Soldiers, deserves the highest of respect for their dedication to our great country.

As a moderate Dem, once leaning red, I had felt that I could vote for McCain for pres because he seemed "fair" to the average folk. He was a guy with great integrity, a guy you could trust and a guy who would not fall on a particular side of an issue for political reasons.

But he lost his way....

Today McCain appears to moderate Dems as a deserter...or, no longer a Reagan Repub. He now seems to be following the neo-con ideology of recent. What scares me is his motivation to stick with it....He's not the McCain of old; he's just an old McCain.

But maybe he wins??

There are plenty of excellent Republican candidates that would do great things in a McCain cabinet. So why is he surrounding himself with these guys?? - Phil Graham?!?? WTF! I would've expected better.

Bad choice Mac. This was the last straw, ya lost me.

Posted by: NCal | July 11, 2008 2:07 AM

Shock of the year: Obama loses CA! It will happen. CA isn't Obama country.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 12:09 AM

John McCain is a hero. He will stand up for what is right. Obama is a joke.

Posted by: Detroit | July 10, 2008 7:52 PM

===========================
Very well said Detroit, and the Obamatrons don't want me to talk about their Kool-aid binges, so I won't mention the Obamatrons are living large on the Kool-aid, so are they worried about the economy supporting they're future Kool-aid fix.

Posted by: theaz | July 11, 2008 12:00 AM

McCain: "My friends, I plan to send Phil Gramm to Iran with several truck loads of cigarettes. That will should help solve two of my biggest problems."

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 10, 2008 11:05 PM

It's about time that the slime ball Gramm is exposed. You are who you associate with mr. mccain.

Posted by: Julie | July 10, 2008 11:01 PM

-MakeUsProud | July 10, 2008 8:53 PM

"Bottom line...this country needs to stop whining...stop asking for the NANNY GOVERNMENT (i.e. me...the taxpayer) to solve your problems."

Let me introduce myself (because you don't seem to recognize me although I have been working in your restaurant as a bus boy for 5 years now. You pay me 7.50 an hour.
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"Fix [our problems]...we are smart people ...]"

I'm not smart. [You told me, if you remember, that I was not smart and that's why I'm still a bus boy earning 6.50/hour.]
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"... but I guarantee that persistence and hard work will pay off." I have not taken a day off in 4 years; the work is not easy because, as you know, I'm the only bus boy for the 150-seat restaurant. I'm sorry, but so far your guarantee has not done anything for me.
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"Poor planning on your part (i.e. not saving...not evaluating the markets...buying too much house) does not constitute an emergency on my part."

All true. It's also true that I make enough for food and clothing, my wife makes enough for rent and we go to the charity clinic for doctors. I have only heard of "savings" "markets" and "buying house."
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"$4 gas sucks. Buy stock to offset." ???

Sorry, sir, you lost me there.
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"carpool. Sell the gas hog. Lose the cell phone (yup...we lived without them in the 80s). Cancel cable. Evaluate where you spend your money. These are the SACRIFICES that sometimes need made."

I have been making all these SACRIFICES always, not just sometimes. Thought you knew.
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"Gramm is right."

No offense, but you sound like that French queen -- I forget her name -- who said something about the poor eating cake and President Reagan who kept talking about the "welfare queen" who traveled in a Cadillac.

Posted by: holywoodog | July 10, 2008 10:54 PM

This is a MUST read for those who do not know about Phil....

It's regarding Phil Graham's economic policy background. Very interesting and even more frightening..

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclosure-phil.html

Posted by: nuttin funny | July 10, 2008 10:34 PM

You could see it coming with GRAMM.....author and main promoter ( with his wife) of the Commodoties Future Modernization Act of 2000. Speculator's main man, for sure, and a principal architect of this entire oil mess.

I can't possibly vote for BO, then JM pulls this boner with a knuckleheaded pal who needs to be in a rocking chair. BIG loose cannon.

Shooting yourself in the foot is a job for Democrats.....like having the kids interviewed by the press....DUHHH !! JM shoulda' known better. There are a thousand economic minds better than Gramm....and much more ethical !!

What the h--- are you thinking ??

Posted by: babdcyuk | July 10, 2008 10:10 PM

Reject or no reject, the whole Republican Party is like that.

Let's boot them out!

Posted by: McCain can flap his mouth but it makes no difference | July 10, 2008 10:03 PM

This is the least of his problems. He just lost Pennsylvania with the flip-flop over an important part of his POW story. Wisconsin was already lost but the margin just got bigger. Green Bay beats Steelers 1-0. Will the Washingpost report it? ABC News has.

Posted by: Frank Booth | July 10, 2008 9:58 PM

Who'd have thunk? Not in a million years would I have guessed that Phil was such a good friend to Jesse that he'd sacrifice his own good name and his candidate's presidential prospects to draw attention away from Jesse's ill-advised castration threats against Barack Obama?

Posted by: holywoodog | July 10, 2008 9:56 PM

Now that all us Americans have received our
special gift from the federal government, let's look at the real econonmic picture, folks. To all bright minds out there who
choose to believe that President George W.
"Mission Accomplished" Bush and his Hatchetman VP Dick Cheney are God's gift to humanity, let me ask you all a fundamental question. Without taxes how
do you expect our nation to recover from the multi-Trillion deficit we are now burdened with, due to the misuse of a surplus created over eight years by the Clinton administration? And no Gum-Flapping people. Boy your man McCain is
a real winner when it comes to economic knowhow.

Posted by: Jet-Man | July 10, 2008 9:48 PM

that picture suggests, dim and dimmer.... faded and fading !

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | July 10, 2008 9:30 PM

H*ly Cr*p! Obama tied with McCain in North Dakota. From Rasmussen:

North Dakota is as safe a Republican state as any in Presidential elections. George W. Bush carried the state by twenty-seven points in Election 2004 and twenty-eight points four years earlier. The state has voted for a Democratic Presidential candidate just once since 1936 and three times since 1916. Despite that history, John McCain and Barack Obama are tied in the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of North Dakota voters. Both men earn 43% of the vote.

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Not a good sign for Senator McCain.

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 10, 2008 9:08 PM

"...it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers." John McCain, March 25, 2008

Will the real John McCain please shut up.

Posted by: Neo1153 | July 10, 2008 8:58 PM

McCain has some real class acts advising him -- Charlie "hoping for a terrorist attack" Black and Phil "Americans are whiners" Gramm. Pathetic.

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 10, 2008 8:56 PM

The "whining" has just begun. Just wait till homeowners see their first heating bills this winter.

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 10, 2008 8:55 PM

Bottom line...this country needs to stop whining...stop asking for the NANNY GOVERNMENT (i.e. me...the taxpayer) to solve your problems. Fix them...we are smart people (I still believe that). The democrat lies pollute the minds of many...but I believe in them nonetheless.

We are not guaranteed many things...but I guarantee that persistence and hard work will pay off.

Read "who moved my cheese." Life is about change. Poor planning on your part (i.e. not saving...not evaluating the markets...buying too much house) does not constitute an emergency on my part. $4 gas sucks. Buy stock to offset. carpool. Sell the gas hog. Lose the cell phone (yup...we lived without them in the 80s). Cancel cable. Evaluate where you spend your money. These are the SACRIFICES that sometimes need made.

My grandparents are rolling in their graves. They lived through the depression. Hell...they'd say we're whiners too! Boo hoo...we live in the top 3% of the world's population and we're sad....boo hoo.

You liberals crack me up. This is not soup line America. Sure...some belt tightening needs to happen (and our FAT A$$es need it). I'll tell you this...the world sees us whining and that has more impact than anything. We're sad...the last superpower and people are sad..

Boo hoo.

Gramm is right

Posted by: MakeUsProud | July 10, 2008 8:53 PM

Sure McCain was a war hero, but now he is just a heroic failure - much like his buddy Bush.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 8:33 PM

John McCain, a member of the Coors Light Crowd. The word "Econonomy" is so foreign
to his own mental recession that it seems
to be taking it's toll. Too bad the GOP,
and by the way President George W. bush and VP Dick Cheney, are beginning to show what they dread showing which is that paranoid pyschosis which has been prevalent for the last eight agonizing years.

Posted by: Jet-Man | July 10, 2008 8:25 PM

Phil Gramm is McCain's chief economic advisor and is repsonsible for legislation that caused the sub prime mortgage crises and Enron loophole. If you want to see our country totally destroyed, vote for McCain. Now, Gramm calls us whiners. Gee, think he might be feeling the heat for our economic recession? Now McCain is throwing him under the bus. Question is, why was the fromer Senator Gramm who is more than any other single individual responsible for the mess we are in McCain's chief economic advisor to begin with?

Posted by: MYSPACE | July 10, 2008 8:20 PM

If john Mccain has the Guts to refer to Barack Obama as "Dr. No" which carries
some distinction, does that make John McCain a hero in his own mind. Forget
that he's a Vietnam War hero, because
he sure as heck isn't living up to that
status, particularly as a presidential contender. I use the word "contender"
loosely.

Posted by: Jet-Man | July 10, 2008 8:19 PM

Scary that McCain knows nothing about economics and he is trying to distance himself from his top economic adviser. McCain is in trouble, he doesn't have an economic leg to stand on.

Posted by: Don | July 10, 2008 8:13 PM

They say to us, "LET THEM EAT WHINE!"
I think their arrogance and disrespect will cause many people to want to bring back the guillotine.
Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT | July 10, 2008 7:44 PM
==
Perfect analogy, Kevin.
If the American people aren't paying attention to all this malarky, they'll pay through the nose for the next 4 years.
Obama '08 -- the only candidate running worthy of a vote

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | July 10, 2008 8:06 PM

Obama is Dr. No?
Does that make McCain James Bond?
Which Bond girl is Cindy McCain?
One one from Goldfinger?

Posted by: Ted | July 10, 2008 7:57 PM

McCain is lying when he says he does not agree with this top advisor.

But I'm sure thats not a big surprise to anyone...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:55 PM

Sorry, I meant to say:
Barack Obama is a hero. He will stand up for what is right. McSame is a joke.

Posted by: Detroit | July 10, 2008 7:55 PM

I wonder if Michelle Obama cares about white people or America in general.

Posted by: Mike | July 10, 2008 7:50 PM

I wonder why you wonder about such racist BS.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:54 PM

Clinging and Bitter has got it right on:

So, what's worse - telling a group of liberal elites that Americans are bitter and CLING to guns and religion or telling Americans that our leaders are whiners?

Our leaders are whiners. The Demoracts ran in 2006 by blaming everything on Bush, foreigners, and outsourcing. They got elected and took a decent majority of both houses of Congress. Two years later, things are exactly the same - probably even worse. They are not taking accountability for their actions (or lack thereof) and are whining.

Gramm is right on. Our leaders are whiners, and whining and blaming other people is not going to fix anything. Frankly, whining is un-American and contradicts our can-do attitude. In the meanwhile, I'm not a gunowner, but I am bitter that our leaders in Congress are whiners. I will also CLING to my religion and have faith that this nation will elect better leaders in Congress and the White House. I may not agree with every policy position John McCain holds, but I do know that he has the personal courage to stand up to his own party and popular opinion to do what he sincerely believes is the best for America. Meanwhile Obama continues to pander to the middle in his selfish bid for power. Obama is the classic whiner, and hopefully bitter Americans can see past his machinations.

Posted by: Yes | July 10, 2008 7:53 PM

John McCain is a hero. He will stand up for what is right. Obama is a joke.

Posted by: Detroit | July 10, 2008 7:52 PM

Yeah--Go McCain. Go to the bathroom five times a night...
Posted by: | July 10, 2008 7:25 PM

Well, that all 'DEPENDS'...
on if he remembers where it is!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:51 PM

I wonder if Michelle Obama cares about white people or America in general.

Posted by: Mike | July 10, 2008 7:50 PM

Beware of websites linked in this comments section - they are most likely not what they appear to be.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:49 PM

I wonder if Cindy McCain, the "Beer Billionairess", worries about the high price of gas?

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 10, 2008 7:45 PM

Phil Gramm does indeed speak for the GOP.

They don't care about WE THE PEOPLE. They totally screwed up the country, committed treason, killed over one million innocent people to steal oil, looted the Treasury, and put millions of middle class citizens in the poor house, if they still have a house.

They say to us, "LET THEM EAT WHINE!"

I think their arrogance and disrespect will cause many people to want to bring back the guillotine.

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT | July 10, 2008 7:44 PM

This nation is in crisis. If you are not "whining" you are either not paying attention or you don't care.

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 10, 2008 7:43 PM

You left out his plan to go to Mars he talked about.

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McCain's 2008 Economic Platform:

-- balance the budget
-- gut social security
-- sell more cigarettes to the Iranians
-- pander to the masses with meaningless gas tax holiday
-- spend $12B/month in Iraq
-- convince Americans they are "whiners"
-- buy a book "Economics for Dummies"

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 10, 2008 7:33 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:40 PM

Ah -honest Abe- don't forget the last line

keep an eye out and ticket little old ladies with signs that say McCain=BUSH.

Posted by: patty | July 10, 2008 7:39 PM

Typical nastiness from the cold-hearted Republicans who could care less about the suffering of the masses.

Let them eat cake.

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 10, 2008 7:38 PM

McCain's 2008 Economic Platform:

-- balance the budget
-- gut social security
-- sell more cigarettes to the Iranians
-- pander to the masses with meaningless gas tax holiday
-- spend $12B/month in Iraq
-- convince Americans they are "whiners"
-- buy a book "Economics for Dummies"

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 10, 2008 7:33 PM

LeBronagent O

You are an idiot! What are you talking about? Do white presdients talk to only white people and not blacks and since Obama is black he appeals to whites only- and what if appealed to blacks?- would you be happy or would you paint him in the corner as anyone else would as just appealing to blacks only. Such a joke-there must be a couple of thousand of you out there.

Posted by: Patricia | July 10, 2008 7:32 PM

Looks like Senator McGoo's listening to Air America rather than the all-seeing, all-knowing Maharushi. Gramm may have overdone it but McGoo's nasty reaction is something no one wants in The White House. Smart move, too, to insult Belarus. It's time for the Republicans to give McGoo the heave-ho before Obama does in the Fall.

Posted by: Clayton P. Bullröhr | July 10, 2008 7:32 PM

It's good that the McCain team is coordinating their talking points, as John McCain's been talking about how the problems with the economy, gas prices, energy, et al, and his proposals to solve them, are 'mostly psychological', for months now.

Alternative energy? McCain will harness the power of the subconscious, store it in a science-contest-prize battery, and use it to power your new 'horseless carriage'.

Go McCain!

http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/

Posted by: Christina West | July 10, 2008 7:30 PM

You left out cancer boys wife who spends $750,000 a month on her credit cards.

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Republicans are so funny! They trot out that tired old line of Obama is an elitist and yet Phil Gramm says that people losing their homes and jobs while paying $4 a gallon for gas are just imaging their problems. I'm sure to Phil Gramm there is no recession since he has made a fortune from lobbying for the Enron loophole which allows speculation in energy supplies and which is the main factor for the rise in the price of gas. Gramm made another fortune for lobbying for banking deregulation which brought about the shaky lending practices and the housing marktet collapse. He's profiting from the country's misery but his isn't an elitist because he's the kind of guy you want to have a beer with! Of course what your average Republican doesn't realize that while you and your drinking buds , Phil Gramm, John McCain, George Bush and Dick Chaney, are throwing back beers with you at the same time this crew has got their hands on your wallet and are robbing you blind. Maybe you should try voting with your brain instead of your mouth!

Posted by: dre7861 | July 10, 2008 7:27 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:30 PM

Well, he will be the next president, can we count of you cutting your wrists? If so I have even more reason to vote for him.

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Barack is a sellout uncle tom. When he's with white people, he pretends to be down with them. When he's with blacks, he tries to be down with black people. Face it folks, this is one selfish bastard whose only butt he cares about is himself. He doesn't even know what he's about , he stands for nothing. Thats why its been hard to attack him, he stands for squat. Look past this man's attempts to manipulate and play america.

Posted by: LebronAgent0 | July 10, 2008 7:04 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:28 PM

Republicans are so funny! They trot out that tired old line of Obama is an elitist and yet Phil Gramm says that people losing their homes and jobs while paying $4 a gallon for gas are just imaging their problems. I'm sure to Phil Gramm there is no recession since he has made a fortune from lobbying for the Enron loophole which allows speculation in energy supplies and which is the main factor for the rise in the price of gas. Gramm made another fortune for lobbying for banking deregulation which brought about the shaky lending practices and the housing marktet collapse. He's profiting from the country's misery but his isn't an elitist because he's the kind of guy you want to have a beer with! Of course what your average Republican doesn't realize that while you and your drinking buds , Phil Gramm, John McCain, George Bush and Dick Chaney, are throwing back beers with you at the same time this crew has got their hands on your wallet and are robbing you blind. Maybe you should try voting with your brain instead of your mouth!

Posted by: dre7861 | July 10, 2008 7:27 PM

Ah, yes, elite liberals have 8 homes, including $2 million dollar condos in Scottsdale. Elite liberals dump their wives of 15 years to marry rich younger women worth $100 million. Elite liberals charge $250K a month on their credit cards. Elite liberals buy their daughters condos that cost $400K to go to college.

Damn those elite liberals!

Posted by: Johnny | July 10, 2008 7:26 PM

LeBronagent O-

If Obama is a sellout...what does that make McCain to you? a close friend who has heard your voice? What a revelation -since he voted against MLK holiday and since running for president-why not apologize for it. It is convenient.! By the way, get a life- or stay off the blog- you offer no substance and invite drama ... Blah Blah Blah.

Posted by: anne | July 10, 2008 7:25 PM

Yeah--Go McCain. Go to the bathroom five times a night that is. McCain is clueless! He know nothing about the economy and nothing about warfare. Hell, if he was such a great pilot, how did he let himself get shot down. McGovern was shot down, fought off his would be captors and went on to fly many more missions!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:25 PM

It's amazing, albeit not surpising that
ignorant Americans who would rant about
American Patriotism, how righteous John McCain is, then deny the realities that
the largest Church for Gays and Lesbians
may very well be located in Dallas. This
is sadly much of the logic those voting for McCain might choose to utilize when voting for this lying and Dangerous Bush
League Politico.

While I'm at it, to those who see learning a second language as being a useless endeavor,why do you suppose our nation ranks so low as far as education goes? We are among the most isolationist of world powers. Literacy is also a huge deficit within our nation. I have yet to hear
your candidate of choice Senator John McCain discuss such issues.

Posted by: Jet-Man | July 10, 2008 7:22 PM

Go McCain. He offers real solutions rather than false statements, lies, and hollow words. McCain 08 = real solutions for America.

Posted by: TJ
********************************
LOL!! Okay, I'll ask...how many tequila shots did you do today?

Posted by: 2008 | July 10, 2008 7:21 PM

LebronAgent0 - like "Lakisha" and the rest of your fake names, you come from the same IP address. Isn't there a KKK meeting outside of your basement to attend?

Posted by: '08 | July 10, 2008 7:16 PM

Boy the GOP Neo-Con Bloggers are out in full-force today. Somebody must of hired on a new group of attack-bloggers again to spread propaganda and mis-information.

As for the guy who said that Leftist enviromental liberals in congress are the ones to blame for hihg gas prices... ARE YOU SERIOUS?????? Oh my god, I can;t believe you can possibly believe that and look ta yourself in the mirror. The subject of high gas and oil prices isnt as cut and dry as that, buddy, and if nayone is like 20th down on the list of culprots its certainly those "Leftist enviromental liberals in congress" you have pinned the blame on. Yikes! Do some reseacrh and reading on the subject and you'll understand how short-sited your view is.

Posted by: Factory Worker, Detroit | July 10, 2008 7:16 PM

LeBronagent O-

Seeing as you didn't capitalize America you must be either a fascist or a communist--which is it? I'm tired of all these America-hating republicans who want to keep our nation mired is war and debt. They're a bunch of selfish discontents who don't deserve the services they're government provides for them. Don't drive on interstate freeways, don't call for a policeman if you're being robbed, don't call 911 if you're house is on fire and don't send your kids to public school. Smile when you're paying $4.50 a gallon at the pump and praise your republican gods when you're children come home from the Middle East in a box.

Posted by: Bill | July 10, 2008 7:13 PM

Go McCain. He offers real solutions rather than false statements, lies, and hollow words. McCain 08 = real solutions for America.

Posted by: TJ | July 10, 2008 7:06 PM

Barack is a sellout uncle tom. When he's with white people, he pretends to be down with them. When he's with blacks, he tries to be down with black people. Face it folks, this is one selfish bastard whose only butt he cares about is himself. He doesn't even know what he's about , he stands for nothing. Thats why its been hard to attack him, he stands for squat. Look past this man's attempts to manipulate and play america.

Posted by: LebronAgent0 | July 10, 2008 7:04 PM

Elite liberals are the bane of American society. They are the ones out of touch with reality. Its funny how folks like Barack Obama and John Kerry claim they recognize the plight of working-class Americans. While they live in their million dollar homes, working class Americans toil to put food on the table.
Barack, grimacing while attempting to down a beer and bowling horrible, is not going to fool anyone.
John McCain is a hero who put his life on the line for this country. The most hardship you felt was trying to figure out your identity while growing up in Hawaii and Indonesia. Apparently, you still haven't figured out who you are. I think Obama would do well to go seek some counseling.

Posted by: GoHoos | July 10, 2008 7:01 PM

I read a couple of of months ago the Gramm was McCain's chief economic advisor. That's when I gave up on McCain.
Gramm thinks that the way to solve the health care problem is to charge the young and healthy less than the older and sicker. He doesn't even under stand that Insurance, to succeed, is based on "Shared Risk".
Disaster waiting to happen

Posted by: Jerry | July 10, 2008 7:00 PM

So, what's worse - telling a group of liberal elites that Americans are bitter and CLING to guns and religion or telling Americans that our leaders are whiners?

Our leaders are whiners. The Demoracts ran in 2006 by blaming everything on Bush, foreigners, and outsourcing. They got elected and took a decent majority of both houses of Congress. Two years later, things are exactly the same - probably even worse. They are not taking accountability for their actions (or lack thereof) and are whining.

Gramm is right on. Our leaders are whiners, and whining and blaming other people is not going to fix anything. Frankly, whining is un-American and contradicts our can-do attitude. In the meanwhile, I'm not a gunowner, but I am bitter that our leaders in Congress are whiners. I will also CLING to my religion and have faith that this nation will elect better leaders in Congress and the White House. I may not agree with every policy position John McCain holds, but I do know that he has the personal courage to stand up to his own party and popular opinion to do what he sincerely believes is the best for America. Meanwhile Obama continues to pander to the middle in his selfish bid for power. Obama is the classic whiner, and hopefully bitter Americans can see past his machinations.

Posted by: Clinging and bitter | July 10, 2008 6:57 PM

No matter how bad the economy is, people who are below middle income vote against their best interest because they're told to do do by rightwing radio. I know people making $30,000 a year and struggling, but condsider themselves republicans because people like Rush Limbaugh always harp about welfare cheats, higher taxes and race-based issues. He speaks to these poor morons and they think that voting republican is actually in their best interest when in reality they're getting screwed with higher gas prices, higher food prices and more debt---but all the rightwing radio hosts will tell them that it's all the democratic Congresses fault and like the poor, directionless lemmings they are---the BELIEVE them! It's a very sad situation.

Posted by: Bill | July 10, 2008 6:52 PM

Wow! So many statements wothout any facts or legitimate reasons for your statements. O'Bama stands for tax and spend policies and continues to make comments that are degrading to Americans. Did you not hear him talk about how Americans should teach their children Spanish. And how Europeans speak several languages, so we sould do the same since we are dumb Americans. His wife state that when O'Bama was giving a speech in Texas that Gays and Lesbians should have the same rights as married couples and the crowd became very quiet. Implying that Texans are dumb, red-necks. So out of touch with reality, as Dallas has the largest Gay & Lesbian church in the world. Use your logic, not passion when determining who should be our next leader.

Posted by: D'Wayne | July 10, 2008 6:51 PM

"Karl, you're a butthole."

Yeah, well, your mother sucks bums in hell. What do you think of that?

Posted by: Karl | July 10, 2008 6:50 PM

If Sen.McCain starts getting headache over what his economic adviser said, then we have every reason to worry about how he will react, if he gets elected to run the country. We need a better man who can keep himself balanced under such situations.

Posted by: Dilsad | July 10, 2008 6:43 PM

Congressional races also made news today, as the GOP got a surprising and rare collection of good news from races in Louisiana and Illinois. Full roundup: http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/07/10/congressional-diary-some-rare-good-news-for-the-gop/

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 6:29 PM

And our Acting President George W. Bush, our real President Dick Cheney, and the rest of the NEOCON crowd sat on their hands in stony silence as they watched in dibelief as their GOP Candidate John McCain proved, once again, what a truly dangerous and bad choice was made by all.
If this keeps up, Senator Barack Obama will be our next elected president. Notice that I used the word "Elected" as opposed to "Appointed".

Posted by: Jet-Man | July 10, 2008 6:27 PM

The economy is really hurting some people but we are a nation of whiners, especially the libs. Posted by: Karl

Karl, you're a butthole.

The economy is really hurting EVERYONE except a few rich people who are getting richer.

And you Repukes are the biggest whiners I have ever seen. Whining chickenhawks.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 6:22 PM

Oil prices rebounded by more than $5 a barrel Thursday. Up to $141.

Chimpy, in a rare moment, actually told the truth and blurted out "We're Addicted To Oil!" at the SOTU a couple years ago.

I bet Mister Cheney severely punished Chimpy for going off the script.

We ARE addicted to oil and the skyrocketing price is hurting our entire economy. Even bicycles and electric cars are made with petroleum products. Solar panels too.

Apparently Bin Laden said one of his goals was to get the price of oil up to $143. It hit that number last week.

And he didn't want oil to go to $143 to make things easier for us. He wanted to punish us.

Looks like he got what he wanted.


Posted by: Tom3 | July 10, 2008 6:20 PM

The economy is really hurting some people but we are a nation of whiners, especially the libs.

Posted by: Karl | July 10, 2008 6:20 PM

It's becoming more and more apparent that Senator John Mccain's PTSD is beginning to have a profound effect on his capacity to mentally formulate ideas and concepts. Ask
yourself, folks, whether you really want this pathetic example of an American Patriot Vietnam Vet Hero to make rational decisions which will have a profound effect on our nation and the world.

Posted by: Jet-Man | July 10, 2008 6:19 PM

Wiley said: That should read, they have the power to over-ride a veto, if they don't agree with the administration.

Of course, not a veto-proof vote, so your comments are absolutely wrong.

Posted by: Jeremy | July 10, 2008 6:19 PM

I don´t know....x2

Posted by: I don´t know | July 10, 2008 6:16 PM

That should read, they have the power to over-ride a veto, if they don't agree with the administration.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 6:16 PM

Sorry, Democrats08, You're reasoning is all wrong. The administration has nothing to do with making the laws that effect the economy.
Congress makes the laws.
During the Clinton years, who was in power in Congress? The republicans. They came into power shortly after he was elected and were still in power when he left.
Who is in power in Congress during the great downturn of now. The tax and spend democrats of course. They have the veto power if they don't agree with the administration.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 6:15 PM

'But the crowd of about 100 sat on their hands in stony silence throughout most of
his speech, especially his lecture about the need for free trade--a policy not embraced in this town.' Wow, what a commentary on Senator John McCain's capacity to stimulate his audience. As
per his clever comparison made between Senator Barack Obama and "Dr No", it doesn't take much to see what a pathetic attempt at defending his position on specific issues such as drilling for oil and building nuclear power plants. Hey, isn't that something Iran has been trying to do as well? And where are the Global Whiners when it comes to the Bush/Cheney Regime acting like the 2 ton canary and sitting wherever it wants. It's all smoke and mirrors on the part of Seantor Mccain.

Posted by: Jet-Man | July 10, 2008 6:12 PM

I think you are right, don't let him off the hook. This is a thousand times worse the the remark by Obama about "cling to guns" that they still keep repeating. I would begin to tattoo this stuff to Mccain. Drive it through his heart like a stake. Obama made a mistake of not finishing off Hillary when she got caught in the sniper story. Obama took the high road and let her off the hook and almost lost the primary. The hell with being mister nice guy, gut Mccain for good, open every vain in his body.

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Obama should just beat on McCain for Gramm's comments and what they mean about McCain view of economic policy. Clearly the Republicans are out of touch on so many issues that all they have is fear. I say raise fear of what Gramm type economic policies will do to the middle class in this country.

Wat is a mental recession anyway?

Posted by: nclwtk | July 10, 2008 6:01 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 6:08 PM

Americans, Europeans and the World are under the impression that Rich GOP Republicans are pathological liars and thieves. And they are right. False statements, cheating and undermining Democratic values are GOP Republican tools to hurt mankind in their selfish destructive quest to own and control this beautiful world that's temporarily enjoyed by all.

GOP Republican Failures McCain-McBush must answer to the fact that a barrel of Oil was $24 when McBush took office and now a barrel of Oil is $145. GOP Republican rich Oil conspiracy has undermined the American People and Our Economy in their quest for selfish, destructive and greedy ill gotten super-capitalistic Wall Street gains.

MCCAIN-MCBUSH SEVEN YEARS AGO CHANGED A BARREL OF OIL FROM $24 INTO TODAY'S SUPER-CAPITALISTIC GREEDY OUT OF CONTROL $145.

WILL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SIT ON THEIR HANDS AND ALLOW MCCAIN-MCBUSH CONTINUED OUT OF CONTROL WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISTIC GREED TO RAISE A BARREL OF OIL TO $200?

THE PRICE OF OIL IS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY. OIL SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY NATIONALIZED FOR UNITED STATES NATIONAL DEFENSE.

GOP REPUBLICAN FAILURES MCCAIN-MCBUSH WITHIN SEVEN YEARS CHANGED A $24 BARREL OF OIL INTO A $145 BARREL OF OIL.

WERE THE GOP REPUBLICAN FAILURES MCCAIN-MCBUSH SERVING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OR SERVING THEIR SUPER-RICH FRIENDS WHEN THEY HELP CHANGE THE PRICE OF A BARREL OF OIL FROM $24 TO $145 IN JUST SEVEN YEARS?

IT'S TIME TO NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL AND THE ENERGY INDUSTRIES FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE.

300,000,000 Americans come first when it comes to the greatest benefits to the greatest number. When one percent of the population (super rich), owns and runs everything to the destruction of the ninety nine percent (typical Americans), then something must change. McCain-McBush represents greed and destruction that must stop.

If you love America, then you should inspire the American People to rise higher and HOPE for better days.

America is HOPEFUL and GREAT and will follow the HOPEFUL and INSPIRATIONAL message of Harvard Scholar Barack Obama.

This is the greatest presidential race in history, because Harvard Scholar Barack Obama is flying like an eagle.

GOD BLESS AMERICA OUR HOME. Harvard Scholar Barack Obama.

Posted by: GOP Republican Failures | July 10, 2008 6:08 PM

If Sen. McCain stood by Sen. Gramm while he co-sponsored and pushed through legislation that help create the Enron scandal then I'm sure he'll stick with him through this.

It's a good thing that Republicans have whupped up support in the Deep South, where people are racially polarized voters who are largely ignorant of the more complex, corrupt aspects of the conservatives.

I imagine that if there's a WaPo 'endorsement' for Obama will be even more lukewarm than the one for Kerry.

And if there is election fraud this year, as there was in 2004 in Ohio, I imagine that the Post will pooh-pooh it as a conspiracy theory as well.

McCain can't even figure out the relationship between Iran and Al Qaeda. The fact that this election is even close is because the media is in the tank for McCain.

Posted by: JR, Boston | July 10, 2008 6:05 PM

Do you not understand the reason for our current economic situation? For the last 30 years environmentalist (liberal democrats) have used scare tactics to get laws passed to decrease oil production in the US, stop offshore and Alaska drilling, and stop any plans of building new refineries. Therefore, we are dependent on foreign resources while decreasing US input into the control of the oil market. This has weakened our position and dollar, resulting in the problems we face today.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 6:02 PM

Obama should just beat on McCain for Gramm's comments and what they mean about McCain view of economic policy. Clearly the Republicans are out of touch on so many issues that all they have is fear. I say raise fear of what Gramm type economic policies will do to the middle class in this country.

Wat is a mental recession anyway?

Posted by: nclwtk | July 10, 2008 6:01 PM

Mccain has always been known as a backstabber. In this case he even chose to try to humiliate someone who is supposed to be his friend.

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What does that Belarus crack mean anyway? Insulting an adviser in such a backhanded way isn't very prudent, is it? You really can't deal with a serious subject with sarcasm and insult when you're president.
On the other hand, if it was a bad attempt at a joke, then the guys brain is not really functioning quite right.
You have an important press conference, and that is what comes out your mouth??!!

Posted by: Matt | July 10, 2008 5:52 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 5:57 PM

This is typical Phil Gramm. As a reporter in Washington in the 80s, I was following Gramm around his congressional district. At one town hall meeting in East Texas, he held up the front page of the Dallas Morning News, which had a picture of a family on food stamps who happened to be quite obese. His comment: "This is the only country in the world where all the poor people are fat." It was one of the most callous remarks I've ever heard from a politician, but it shows Gramm's disdain for people who are in difficult economic straits -- just as these new comments do. His presence as an economic adviser diminishes McCain and his potential role as a secretary of treasury scares the hell out of me.

Posted by: Cyberfly | July 10, 2008 5:57 PM

Napoleon said that "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich"-
Soon it won't be enough.

Posted by: Kase | July 10, 2008 5:56 PM

mcCain and mcGram----deadly in small amounts.

2 million foreclosures this year in the usa is a mental recession!

Posted by: bloggod | July 10, 2008 5:54 PM

Much of what we do and say is subconscious,
I truly believe Mccain does not want to be president. He has just by some kind of quirk of fate found himself in a place he wishes he could get out of.
This has never been some life long dream of his. Quite the contrary, he has a history of being a laze shirker when it comes to responsibility. Why would he want to be president, honestly? He will be the happiest loser in November you will have ever seen. . He won't even be able to hide it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 5:53 PM

What does that Belarus crack mean anyway? Insulting an adviser in such a backhanded way isn't very prudent, is it? You really can't deal with a serious subject with sarcasm and insult when you're president.
On the other hand, if it was a bad attempt at a joke, then the guys brain is not really functioning quite right.
You have an important press conference, and that is what comes out your mouth??!!

Posted by: Matt | July 10, 2008 5:52 PM

Why is there nothing in the WaPo about the stifling of free speech by the McCain campaign?

"McCain held what was called a "public" town hall meeting on July 9 in Denver, but it turned out to be none too public as a peaceful and polite woman holding a sign outside the event was cited and threatened with arrest for "trespassing." .....Yesterday, Sen. John McCain's Secret Service detail had a 60 year-old librarian removed from a public plaza. The librarian, Carol Kreck, was merely carrying a sign that said: McCain = Bush." Others carrying pro-McCain signs (though carying a sign saying McCain = Bush is not exactly anti-McCain) were not arrested. She is required to appear in court on July 23.
Read more at http://www.democracyfornewmexico.com/

Posted by: NMAIF | July 10, 2008 5:50 PM

jkp
The gap between the rich and the poor has increased, but not as large as some would think.
Total income: 1973 - top 20% with 44%, bottom 20% with 4.2%; 2002 - top 20% with
50%, bottom 20% with 3.5%
Also, family net worth was in real 2000 dollars.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 5:49 PM

I never thought much of Gramm. This doesn't change my thinking...

Posted by: Jim | July 10, 2008 5:48 PM

To whom does John McCain think he is appealing with these positions?
Bob Novak writes that Obama is underwhelming and Bob is correct,Barak is also under qualified and guilty of having left his suit empty.
McCain, who actually has a chance to win,even as the Republican Party is positioned for a drubbing,appears determined to alienate what support he has for that of limousine liberals who deplore him.
John seems set on loosing at any cost.
Neither of these candidates is ready for prime time.Barak is an inexperienced lawyer and John is an experienced Navy fighter pilot.
This country should be able to do so much better.
Neither of these chaps would get past the first interview for President of not for profit.

Posted by: David S Johnson | July 10, 2008 5:44 PM

He can try to distance himself, but it won't work. This is his campaign advisor - he is McCains surrogate and his words are McCains words - you know, just like Wrights words were Obama's. Let's hope this one festers in the msm for a while, but considering mccains special treatment I don't expect to see the scrutiny and condemnation that we would have seen if Obama or one of his surrogates said it. There's a whole lot more dirt on Gramm - UBS/the mortgage meltdown - that needs to come out. The mccain campaign is run by a bunch of slimeballs. McCain is a horribly weak presidential candidate - heck, he can't even run a campaign competently. McCain in the white house scares me!

Posted by: Julie | July 10, 2008 5:43 PM

Hey Obamatron posters here. Does the campaign have plenty of nachos and Kool-aid to consume as you labor here online? I'm sure you feel the pain, how the new BMW daddy bought you, and teach us more about economic hardship, I'm sure you relate. Food fight!

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 5:15 PM

Posted by: | July 10, 2008 5:35 PM

Posted by: theaz
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Tell you what theaz, the "McCain better win or I will cry" T-shirt is yours. Even if you did own up to this post - it is just too stupid to not get a prize. Congrats!!

Posted by: 2008 | July 10, 2008 5:43 PM

theaz, the only thing you nailed was your thumb to the workbench.

you're a repuke retard. this chat room is about McLame and Phil Gramm-pa.

Go somewhere else with your lame Obama smears.

Posted by: Tom3 | July 10, 2008 5:43 PM

He uses vagara

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25621588/
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Teflon John's campaign is a joke and it's a good indication that he will become one himself just like his buddy George W....Can anyone give me good reason why I should vote for this old goon who is an embarrasment to american politics?

Posted by: Ryan | July 10, 2008 5:16 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 5:42 PM

Much of the talk of the troubled economy is an effort to distract the voters from the reality of the "War on Terror" and other garbage from this Administration.
Having said that, we are certainly not helped by the weak dollar, which is the root of our ills.

Posted by: TOMHERE | July 10, 2008 5:42 PM

But I nailed it, right? I hope they're using "Real Cheese" for the nachos; otherwise, I would just think far less of Obama! I don't how, but just principal!
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Thats OK, I know it's tough having to try to muster support for someone like Mccain. Don't take it out on us you made the choice.

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Hey Obamatron posters here. Does the campaign have plenty of nachos and Kool-aid to consume as you labor here online? I'm sure you feel the pain, how the new BMW daddy bought you, and teach us more about economic hardship, I'm sure you relate. Food fight!

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 5:15 PM

Posted by: | July 10, 2008 5:35 PM

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 5:40 PM

Repukes think Gramm is telling the truth about the economy just being "mental".

Trust me, it is not an hallucination when you go to the gaspump and it's over $4.

Its not your mind playing tricks with you when your grocery bill is way up.

You Repukes are the ones who are mental.

Posted by: Tom3 | July 10, 2008 5:39 PM

Poor theAZ....Can't even interpret what he cuts and posts from Wikipedia....

Posted by: p. | July 10, 2008 5:38 PM

Notice how the Repuke morons in here are posting stupid Obama smears that are completely off-topic.

This is about McLame and Phil Gramm. Obama has nothing to do with this.

Thanks to whoever brought up the fact that Gramm, in addition to deregulating banks and causing the subprime fiasco, is also the author of the Enron Loophole which caused the California energy crisis in 2001, gave us Ahhhhhnold the Governator, and caused the eventual collapse of Enron itself.

Heckuva job, Phil!!

Posted by: Tom3 | July 10, 2008 5:36 PM

Danaidh writes: Well, McCain may disagree with it; and Gramm may be trying to backpedal; but it's still the truth.
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Gramm is sticking with his statement, not backpedaling. If it's the truth, then why is McCain running from it like a deer from a wildfire?

Posted by: JohnD | July 10, 2008 5:35 PM

Thats OK, I know it's tough having to try to muster support for someone like Mccain. Don't take it out on us you made the choice.

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Hey Obamatron posters here. Does the campaign have plenty of nachos and Kool-aid to consume as you labor here online? I'm sure you feel the pain, how the new BMW daddy bought you, and teach us more about economic hardship, I'm sure you relate. Food fight!

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 5:15 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 5:35 PM

I find it hard to believe but McCain is appearing to be as stupid as Bush by surrounding himself with retards like Mr. Gramm. Perhaps the "new" Dr. Phil can explain why the stock market has dropped nearly 20% in the past few months from 12,900 to nearly 11,200. Maybe it's because our economy is so good.

Posted by: whiner | July 10, 2008 5:34 PM

all week we have heard abt obama's flip flops, a thousand times times a thousand;lets start listing mccain's flip flops, starting with his leaving of one old and worn out wife for a new and younger version. mr honorable, mr integrity.

Posted by: hopeftomorrow | July 10, 2008 5:33 PM

Phil Gramm is a typical carbon copy clone of the out of touch, dated, ignorant Republican party. He sits there on his fat rich butt with our tax money acting as if he is entitled to spit on the American people in a time of REPUBLICAN spawned economic crisis. What is wrong with this picture? Losers like him, Republicans, should all be APOLOGIZING for the economic disaster they have created for the American people. They shouldn't be instead criticizing the American people as being weak when Republicans like Gramm are the ones who are responsible for the HUGE mess this country is now in. Time to CLEAN HOUSE and vote ALL of these ignorant, anti American Republicans OUT, power to the people.

Posted by: Democrats 08 | July 10, 2008 5:31 PM

John McCain is a lying sack of crap. Phil Gramm may be an elitist SOB with no empathy for the working man, but at least he speaks his mind. John McBush is a willow in the wind. He wants to cut taxes on the rich and corporations, who aren't paying their fair share anyway and then send OUR jobs overseas. And then the liar says that somehow that is GOOD for the US. There is an old saying, "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining."

I can't believe that ANYONE is stupid enough to vote for him. These conservative a$$hats are out of their minds. My only consolation is that they will get screwed along with the rest of us if McBush is elected.

Posted by: ex-conservative | July 10, 2008 5:30 PM

Gramm whose head jots out from between his shoulders like a snapper turtle is as mean spirited as the animal he looks like. What a shameless man. Typical republican.

Posted by: truth1 | July 10, 2008 5:28 PM

Phil Gramm just said he refuses to retract any of his remarks, although he did weasel out of the "whiners" remark by saying he only meant our leaders, not all of us.

If McLame doesn't fire this idiot by the end of the week, it is proof positive that McLame is NOT a leader and is not qualified to be President.

Posted by: Tom3 | July 10, 2008 5:28 PM

Rev Jackson's derogatory comments about Obama is another calculated move by people in the black community to provide a boost for Obama. They're helping him win with sympathy votes. This is a sick and cunning manipulation of the voting public that black leaders are resorting to.

Posted by: Moore | July 10, 2008 5:28 PM

You mean old Foreclosure Phil? This is the criminal that brought you the housing market meltdown while he and his friends lined their pockets for years! This from David Corn in Mother Jones..."Gramm pulled a sly legislative maneuver that greased the way to the multibillion-dollar subprime meltdown." You can Google the whole article if you want to see what a jerk McSame is considering for Sec of Treas.
When are Americans going to wake up and start voting for people that will help the whole country--not just the idle rich 1%?

Posted by: Spencer | July 10, 2008 5:26 PM

Well AndreaD I think you're really really clueless! Don't you know that Bill Clinton had two full terms to correct Reagan and free the gulags?
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well said AndreaD

Reagan put us on the road to being the nation of idiots that we are today

"if you think education is expensive, try ignorance."

Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 5:16 PM

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 5:25 PM

Reason #48,105 to never let a Republican handle your finances.

Posted by: Deaniac | July 10, 2008 5:24 PM

JakeD in the place, tryin' to check your face
Throwin' down some rhymin' 'bout the presidential race
No no Nobama, ain't no way
that me an' my girl Sherry Kay
are gonna vote for you
And though you might get through
And be inspected, selected, elected,
(rejected by me and by Sherry Kay,
but ain't nobody listen to us anyway)
Though you might be elected, damn you might even be
The best president that I will ever see, even so
I ain' gon' be wid it, that's for sure
Look at the situation, examine the fact
I will not support Obama because he is

Posted by: JakeD | July 10, 2008 5:23 PM

Hey theaz

What's with all the "Kool-aid" references.

Get yourself a new cliche. You keep repeating yourself like your old geezer buddy McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 5:22 PM

There is a reason why Rev. Wright and Rev. Jackson attacked Obama. They don't really mean it. It's all part of a plan for Obama, being the victim, to acquire white sympathy votes. This is total BS and many voters are falling for this scam.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 5:01 PM


I'd stay anonymous too if this was the best I could come up with....

I've heard some crackpot theories of why Obama has been succesful but this one takes the cake...

The ol' "let's win the white sympathy vote" has been such a winner for black presidential candidates in the past.

If only Alan Keyes had used such a cunning plan....

Posted by: My name is Dan | July 10, 2008 5:22 PM

Phill Gramm is the gentlemen who personally made Enron possible, and made unregulated oil futures commodity trading free from any regulation (2002). Even today, the US Hedge fund operators tip their wine glasses PERSONALLY to Mr. Gramm - he gave the now famous "Enron Loophole", a license to rape and pillage in the commodities markets without having to fully report trades. I personally regard Gramm as one of the most dangerous men in America as far as the future health of America's middle class economy is concerned. He is the Ultimo Champeeen of the Ultra Rich - makes no apologies.
He is the NEW KARL ROVE or Dicke DR. Strangelove Cheney of the (hopeful) John McSame era. Like Cheney chosing himself for VP, McCain did not "choose" Gramm - since McCain said: "I do not understand a lot about economics", the NEOCON powers inserted, conveniently, Gramm into the picture for McCain. McCain actuallknow less than you do about Gramm's actuall earlier shenanigans.
Ken Humphrey, Emerald Isle, NC

Posted by: Ken Humphrey | July 10, 2008 5:19 PM

Phill Gramm is the gentlemen who personally made Enron possible, and made unregulated oil futures commodity trading free from any regulation (2002). Even today, the US Hedge fund operators tip their wine glasses PERSONALLY to Mr. Gramm - he gave the now famous "Enron Loophole", a license to rape and pillage in the commodities markets without having to fully report trades. I personally regard Gramm as one of the most dangerous men in America as far as the future health of America's middle class economy is concerned. He is the Ultimo Champeeen of the Ultra Rich - makes no apologies.
He is the NEW KARL ROVE or Dicke DR. Strangelove Cheney of the (hopeful) John McSame era. Like Cheney chosing himself for VP, McCain did not "choose" Gramm - since McCain said: "I do not understand a lot about economics", the NEOCON powers inserted, conveniently, Gramm into the picture for McCain. McCain actuallknow less than you do about Gramm's actuall earlier shenanigans.
Ken Humphrey, Emerald Isle, NC

Posted by: Ken Humphrey | July 10, 2008 5:19 PM

D'Wayne, please also provide us with statistic on the increase in the gap between the rich and the poor and please give us an inflation adjusted number for household wealth

Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 5:18 PM

well said AndreaD

Reagan put us on the road to being the nation of idiots that we are today

"if you think education is expensive, try ignorance."

Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 5:16 PM

Teflon John's campaign is a joke and it's a good indication that he will become one himself just like his buddy George W....Can anyone give me good reason why I should vote for this old goon who is an embarrasment to american politics?

Posted by: Ryan | July 10, 2008 5:16 PM

Hey Obamatron posters here. Does the campaign have plenty of nachos and Kool-aid to consume as you labor here online? I'm sure you feel the pain, how the new BMW daddy bought you, and teach us more about economic hardship, I'm sure you relate. Food fight!

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 5:15 PM

My how we forget the past and try to revise history. What terrible economic time we are facing. Let's see how we compare to the past.
When did total American manufacturing peak? 2007
Who pays the taxes: 2005 Top 1% paid 39%, bottom 50% paid 3%
Top Tax rates: 1980 70% (ind) 90% (corp), today 39%
Unemployment: 1970s - almost 7%, today less 5%
Dow Jones: 1980 - 825, today over 11,000
Family Net Worth - 1989 $69,000, 2004 $93,000

The rising cost of living has created dificulties for some, but you have to put where we are in perspecitive. We are not as bad off as some are reporting.

Posted by: D'Wayne | July 10, 2008 5:15 PM

Wow!
Lotta ANGRY WHINING people on this blog.

Posted by: Smile | July 10, 2008 5:14 PM

I encourage people to listen to the radio show Democracy Now that aired July 9

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/9/foreclosure_phil_journalist_david_corn_on

and/or see the article in Mother Jones Nuttin Funny linked

Both explain an aspect of Gramm's hand in shaping economic policy; I wish the mainstream press did a better job of holding these people accountable for their decisions and policy measures

Posted by: Jay Scrivner | July 10, 2008 5:09 PM

Does anyone else see irony when John McCain says someone who's on his team, economic advisor Phil Gramm, does not speak for him, and then goes on to speak for Barack Obama? If I can't trust Phil to speak for you, I'm certainly not going to trust you to accurately represent your opponent.

Posted by: Marty | July 10, 2008 5:07 PM

Whiners? What an idiot! How many millions of homes have to be foreclosed on, how many millions of Americans have to be out of work, how high does gas have to go before it stops becoming just a figment of our imagination? And I suppose this same realist believes we are fighting terrorists in Iraq and that we are winning.

He must have misspoke. We are a nation of winners! McCain and company have simply lost it - completely.

Posted by: Sam | July 10, 2008 5:05 PM

Senator Grimm obviously has no idea as to how real Americans live. He is too wrapped up in the life and troubles of the rich. Heck, he might have to pay income taxes this year!

Senators McLame and Grim - a matched set of oldtimers who have no clue as to how we live. Bozos both!

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 10, 2008 5:03 PM

Mr. Magoo, you've done it again.

Posted by: Rick A. | July 10, 2008 5:01 PM

There is a reason why Rev. Wright and Rev. Jackson attacked Obama. They don't really mean it. It's all part of a plan for Obama, being the victim, to acquire white sympathy votes. This is total BS and many voters are falling for this scam.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 5:01 PM

Phil Gramm on "whiners" = Babs Bush on hurricane victims "doing very well."

Just more of the same swill from out of touch, elderly Repukes -- a group that includes John "Depends" McCain.

Posted by: Spectator2 | July 10, 2008 5:00 PM

So the Republicans think our nation's economic woes are nothing more than a collective mental condition-- no wonder they believe in voodoo economics: deficits as far as the eye can see and trickle down supply side tax cuts.

The GOP will pee on your shoe and then tell you it's your fault because you didn't watch out for the puddle.

Posted by: Skye | July 10, 2008 4:59 PM

Shawn, you believe Iran is governed by conservatives? Wow!
Obamatrons need more nutrients then Kool-aid and definitely more education! I mean you stuck your foot in the mouth and have demonstrated the lack of knowledge of your crew, man!

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 4:59 PM

First is was Jimmy Carter's "malaise." Now it's John McCain's "nation of whiners." What's with these Annapolis guys? Obama won't let me drill? What kind of answer is that? Good grief, I thought W was your Daddy. I'd make the tax cuts permanant in Belarus if I only knew where it was.

Posted by: mmfleming1 | July 10, 2008 4:58 PM

The pathetic campaign
of John McCain
Is melting like a cake
Left out in the rain

Posted by: Spectator2 | July 10, 2008 4:58 PM

Well, McCain may disagree with it; and Gramm may be trying to backpedal; but it's still the truth.

And the reason we have become a nation of whiners is largely due to media reports--the Washington Post being a culprit here--of how bad things are and how the nation is going in the wrong direction.

Posted by: Danaidh | July 10, 2008 4:57 PM

The STALIN of the US was RONALD REAGAN! Yup. I lived near the inner city of LA when that man took office. Within 4 months big time gangs developed. All social programs that helped the poor were cut. No I am not a socialist, but since we can spend $12 billion a month in Iraq, some of our wealth MUST STOP BEING EXPORTED! WAR PROFITEERING IS TREASON. SAUDIS DON'T NEED MY TAXES and I pay plenty!
TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS NEVER, EVER WORKED! Reagan broke the backs of the unions in this country and because I don't make over $2.8 MILLION A YEAR, I (and probably you) ARE PAYING CINDY MCCAIN'S TAXES, she doesn't have to pay them due to Bush's tax cuts, that's a dirty little secret. WHAT ARE REPUG's GOOD FOR? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! Unless, of course, you're very wealthy! Reagan WAS NO HERO, ANYMORE THAN McSAME IS!

Posted by: AndreaD | July 10, 2008 4:56 PM

The Bush-McCain invasion and occupation of Iraq has RUINED US ECONOMY and McCain is a cheap war-monger itching to ruin US further by more wars. I think he shoukld go back and fight his captors in Vietnam !

Posted by: Raj | July 10, 2008 4:55 PM

McCain has said this himself on numerous occasions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P6bkbdAkFg

Posted by: Kent | July 10, 2008 4:54 PM

A nation of whiners? This from a man along with his wife who have lived large in life on a check from one government entity or another. A true let em eat cake moment.

Posted by: Jorge | July 10, 2008 4:53 PM

A leader would have fired Gramm by now.

McLame is no leader. Disqualified!!

Posted by: Tom3 | July 10, 2008 4:51 PM

Okay, everyone needs read this article regarding Phil Graham's knowledge of the economy...then feel free to say what you want relating to his latest comments.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclosure-phil.html

Posted by: nuttin funny | July 10, 2008 4:51 PM

Hey, everyone,it's anonymous idiot Thursday. Post your moronic thoughts, without a signature, and win a "McCain better win or I will cry" T-shirt. The poster above has won and is also eligible for a tour of one of McCain's 8 houses. Pull your pants up and start typing now!!

Posted by: 2008 | July 10, 2008 4:28 PM

AWESOME POST, I spit my coffee out reading this.


BWWWAAAAAAHHH

Posted by: Betsy | July 10, 2008 4:51 PM

Obama's first job out of college was working with Business International a firm that assisted American companies in working oversea, and he blames Bush for moving jobs out of country. What a liberal elitist hypocrite fraud and not good economic experience we need! Demented Dems need not apply, only business they're in is the business of governemnt. Real cool, right Obamatrons as long as Daddy buys you your new BMW and you don't know where the payment coupons are, it all makes sense! Chumps!

Business International Corporation (BI) was a publishing and advisory firm dedicated to assisting American companies in operating abroad. In 1986, Business International was acquired by The Economist Group in London, and eventually merged with The Economist Intelligence Unit................

Its international client base included most major American companies, as well as European, Japanese and Indian companies and corporate groups.
United States Senator Barack Obama's first job after graduating from Columbia University was with the company. He held a position as a research associate in its general international business information division (not its financial services division, as reported by other sources).

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 4:50 PM

Isn't Belarus where they boil people alive?

Sounds like a good place to send Gramm.

Posted by: Tom3 | July 10, 2008 4:50 PM

Yesterday, McLame wanted to kill the entire Iranian population with cigarettes.

Today, he says he disagrees with his chief economic advisor whom he hired.

You're running quite the campaign, eh...McLame?

Posted by: Paul | July 10, 2008 4:49 PM

I always thought Phil Gramm was an a**hole and now I am convinced of it! He also has granite for brains. This will hurt Sen McCain.

Posted by: eskieville | July 10, 2008 4:48 PM

What's Paris Hilton going to look like in 20 years?

Cindy McCain.

Posted by: Tom3 | July 10, 2008 4:48 PM

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To be precise, Gramm was referring to the same group hussein called bitter, religious, gun-toting commoners.

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Posted by: ALEX H. | July 10, 2008 4:47 PM

McCain himself has made similar comments. He called economic problems psychological in his Detroit speech.

McCains got sugar momma Cindy, so they think everything is peachy.

Posted by: Julian | July 10, 2008 4:47 PM


theaz cried: "So Shawn, it all about money huh? Where it all coming from I wonder? Could it be Iran or Saudi Arabia? Are you enjoying your Nachos and Kool-aid, Hmmm good I bet?"
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Uh-huh. Whatever makes you feel better about the fact that your lame dud of a candidate hasn't got a chance in hell.

I love reading these desperate, delusional, ignorant, xenophobic, hysterical posts from McCain "supporters".

And guess what - Saudi Arabia and Iran are ruled by dumb-a*s conservatives. Just. Like. You. Try again, but next time try learning the very basics about the geo-political realities of the world.

Posted by: Shawn | July 10, 2008 4:46 PM

McLame doesn't even have the guts to fire Phil Gramm.

Gramm CAUSED the current economic mess by sponsoring the bill that deregulated the financial sector and led to subprimes.
So he was a bad choice to begin with.

McLame is a FOLLOWER, not a leader. He flip-flopped on everything, including torture, to follow his glorious leaders Chimpy and Cheney.

McLame is not qualified to be President if he cannot even fire some butthole who just insulted every voter in America.

Posted by: Tom3 | July 10, 2008 4:45 PM

Joe Jackson wrote: "I guess Matt Drudge didn't report this on his website, so the idiots that make up the MSM don't know whether this is a big deal or not."
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Yeah, I'm still waiting on the MSM to pick up on the video of the Vietnam Vet who eviscerated McCain yesterday at a Town Hall meeting in Denver over McCain's votes against VA funding. McCain's dissembling response was pathetic. I guess that one didn't make the Drudge Report either.

Posted by: JohnD | July 10, 2008 4:45 PM

This kills McCain on the economy, right? It shows that he surrounds himself with people that hold a view much more closer to the Bush administration than any shift to compassion and concern over the crisis recently exhibited by McCain.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | July 10, 2008 4:43 PM

This is very reminiscent of Jimmy Carter's remark before the 1980 elections that the nation's economy was gripped by a "malaise", which many people believe ultimately led to his failure to win a second term as President of the United States. When Carter made this remark, the GOP jumped all over him. Well, the shoe is now on the other foot, and it'll be amusing to watch McSame's attempts to wiggle out of this one. Malaise is defined as: "a general feeling of worry, discontent, or dissatisfaction, often resulting in lethargy." To me, there is no difference between what Carter said and Phil Gramm is now saying as part of McSame's campaign.

Posted by: caliguy55 | July 10, 2008 4:42 PM

So Shawn, it all about money huh? Where it all coming from I wonder? Could it be Iran or Saudi Arabia? Are you enjoying your Nachos and Kool-aid, Hmmm good I bet?

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 4:41 PM

McCain believes the exact same thing, but does not say it in public. If McCain really doesn't subscribe the same believe, he would remove Graham from his campaign. Phil Graham is go-to-guy for McCain's economic policies.

Posted by: McSame | July 10, 2008 4:40 PM

Nice joke about Balarus, but McCain avoided the question. Does/will Gramm have an influence on McCain's economic policy? That's what I'd like to know -- a simple yes or no will do, no jokes or evasions, please.

Posted by: EL | July 10, 2008 4:39 PM

That butthole Graham calls us whiners having a mental recession because we're alarmed that the wheels are falling off the economy.

How ironic. You see, it was Graham who pushed through the financial sector deregulation that caused this mess.

He snuck it into a bill in 2000. Nobody bothered to read it and now we're stuck.

Phil Graham is a Repuke scumbag.

Posted by: Tom3 | July 10, 2008 4:39 PM

McCain sez he doesn't know much about the economy.

McCain hires Phil Gramm as an Economic advisor to fix the economy.

McCain says he doesn't agree with Phil Gramm.

Why is Gramm still around? What is he supposed to do?

I hate to say it, but McCain is a worse candidate than George W. Bush.

Posted by: Playa | July 10, 2008 4:36 PM

But you know Playa, consider the source with these posters, seriously a bunch of morons.

Posted by: smtpgirl | July 10, 2008 4:38 PM

Who are you going to believe Gramm, with a PhD in economics, or McCain, who says economics isn't his strong suit. So he throws his top economics adviser under the bus and then insults Belarus by threatening to send them a Gramm cracker. The only joke here is McCain..

Posted by: thebob.bob | July 10, 2008 4:38 PM

This just shows the American people how out of touch the Republican Party is with the rest of us. Sure there is no recession if you are a wealthy Republican, because they have taken the money out of our pockets and filled theirs.

Posted by: Kevin M | July 10, 2008 4:38 PM

Hey, everyone,it's anonymous idiot Thursday. Post your moronic thoughts, without a signature, and win a "McCain better win or I will cry" T-shirt. The poster above has won and is also eligible for a tour of one of McCain's 8 houses. Pull your pants up and start typing now!!

Posted by: 2008 | July 10, 2008 4:28 PM

AWESOME POST, I spit my coffee out reading this.


BWWWAAAAAAHHH

Posted by: Betsy | July 10, 2008 4:37 PM

McCain sez he doesn't know much about the economy.

McCain hires Phil Gramm as an Economic advisor to fix the economy.

McCain says he doesn't agree with Phil Gramm.

Why is Gramm still around? What is he supposed to do?

I hate to say it, but McCain is a worse candidate than George W. Bush.

Posted by: Playa | July 10, 2008 4:36 PM

I did a little computation on the impact of the Bush tax cuts on McCain's wife Cindy. She saves between $280,000 and $290,000 per year if the Bush cuts stay in place vs having them expire. Is there a little conflict of intrest here?

Posted by: bradcpa | July 10, 2008 4:35 PM

Obama the genius that made the statement he had been to 57 States, right. Dream on, dream down, dream up! Just keep drinking that good Kool-aid!
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Thats the best you have? Obama I am sorry to inform you is a genius and Mccain is 894 in a class of 899. I rest my case.

++++
Obama has so little experiences regarding economics, he probably can't spell "Econ 101" and so what's the difference.

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 4:12 PM

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 4:34 PM

Just the headline alone speaks to the WAPOs coddling of McCain. If it were an Obama advisor who made these statements, the WAPO headline would scream "OBAMA ADVISOR CALLS NATION WHINERS" but since it is MCCain we get a CYA headline of him refuting the statements. Petty yes, but as Orwell said repeat it enough times and even the liar begins to believe it.

Posted by: NotAgain | July 10, 2008 4:33 PM


theaz wrote: "Drink more Kool-aid with sugar sugar!"
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Says the delusional freakshow who is upporting John "Where Am I?" McSame over the brightest and most promising politician in a generation?

Look, we understand that you are becoming desperate over the fact that our candidate actually generates enthusiasm and nobody gives a squirt about your lame dud of a candidate, but when you insult the majority of American voters who support Obama, you only highlight your own stupidity and isolation, not ours.

I support Obama because I much prefer him over McCain and the backwards, failed Republican policies he promises to continue, but you just keep pretending it's because WE'RE not paying attention.

Good luck with that strategy in November. I guess it's all you have since McCain has no money, no enthusiasm, no vision, no hope and no chance to win on the issues.

Ha Ha.

Posted by: Shawn | July 10, 2008 4:33 PM

Gramm, who never saw a banker's industry proposed rule-making that he didn't embrace, should be forceably retired without the gobs of money bankers have paid to him for his assistance in deregulating Savings and Loans and Mortgage Banking Institutions. Gramm has done enough to ruin the American economy. My stock portfolio is down 25%, thanks to Sen. Gramm.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | July 10, 2008 4:32 PM

Were all of these losers born into money or married into money? None of these "elites" had to work an honest day in their whole life.

Hmmmm...Obama or McCain...genocide or nuclear war. These are the only choices we have?

Posted by: Noneya | July 10, 2008 4:28 PM

And how would a liberal elite politician named Barack "Fake" Obama who also has millions, grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia sympathesize with auto workers in Michigan. What a fraud, crook, and a liar.

Posted by:
***********************
Hey, everyone,it's anonymous idiot Thursday. Post your moronic thoughts, without a signature, and win a "McCain better win or I will cry" T-shirt. The poster above has won and is also eligible for a tour of one of McCain's 8 houses. Pull your pants up and start typing now!!

Posted by: 2008 | July 10, 2008 4:28 PM

There is only one way for a candidate to "distance" himself from a top adviser who undermines the candidate's position publicly and repeatedly: fire him.

If Sen. McCain don't fire Sen. Gramm, we have to assume they actually agree.

Posted by: JohnD | July 10, 2008 4:27 PM

Come on all you whining wusses stop whining. So you lost your job and your retirement is flushed down the crapper; so what? Stop whining, and wear your American flag pin proudly on your lapel and place your hand over your heart during the national anthem. Wave your Bible and speak of God a lot. That is what will keep you fed and happy. SO STOP WHINING YOU AMERICAN WHIMPO CREAM-PUFF!

Posted by: American whiner | July 10, 2008 4:27 PM

I can see Gramm's point of view. The Obamatrons standard of living has never been better in the history of this country! They sit and play their expensive video games and are fatter then ever as they stuff their faces with food and drink. Tough live, getta life! Drink more Kool-aid with sugar sugar!

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 4:25 PM

I guess Matt Drudge didn't report this on his website, so the idiots that make up the MSM don't know whether this is a big deal or not.

Posted by: Joe Jackson | July 10, 2008 4:24 PM

The Mccain of 2000 would not vote for the Mccain of 08.

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McCain really is showing his age as he's strikingly out of touch and yet he's the only one who doesn't seem to know it. so he's 'out of touch' on being 'out of touch'. sorry, couldn't resist...but he really is so last century and the word change doesn't come to mind when looking and listening to him. he was best in 2000, not this time.

Posted by: breakspear | July 10, 2008 4:21 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:23 PM

John McCain and Mike Huckabee - 2008

Mac & Huck - 08!!

Posted by: Phil6 | July 10, 2008 4:22 PM

McCain really is showing his age as he's strikingly out of touch and yet he's the only one who doesn't seem to know it. so he's 'out of touch' on being 'out of touch'. sorry, couldn't resist...but he really is so last century and the word change doesn't come to mind when looking and listening to him. he was best in 2000, not this time.

Posted by: breakspear | July 10, 2008 4:21 PM

nameless coward wrote: "And how would a liberal elite politician named Barack "Fake" Obama who also has millions, grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia sympathesize with auto workers in Michigan. What a fraud, crook, and a liar."
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At least Obama earned his wealth, unlike McSame who has never had an actual job and had to marry a kazillionaire heiress (after leaving his other wife who was badly injured in an accident). And of course Obama will win in Michigan.

McCain is an incredibly weak candidate who is running a disorganized, awful campaign and his "supporters" (in quotes because does he even have any, really?) are increasingly delusional. Nice try, though. Adorable!

Posted by: Shawn | July 10, 2008 4:20 PM

Thats the best you have? Obama I am sorry to inform you is a genius and Mccain is 894 in a class of 899. I rest my case.

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Obama has so little experiences regarding economics, he probably can't spell "Econ 101" and so what's the difference.

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 4:12 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:19 PM

This is like a thousand times worse then the Obama "Cling to guns" remark. Lets see how much play it gets. Since Mccain has been treating the press like sh&t lately it me get a lot of play. The kid gloves may be off with Mccains. Watch he will begin pretending his arms hurt to get a little sympathy.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:16 PM

Obama has so little experiences regarding economics, he probably can't spell "Econ 101" and so what's the difference.

Posted by: theaz | July 10, 2008 4:12 PM

Oh, it's the people that are the problem, not the Republican Administration and the Republicans in Congress who bail out corporations but view help for ordinary folks as 'waste'.

Just like it is Republicans who re-write bankruptcy laws to help the banks who shovel credit card debt at people, but then tell the people being urged to "borrow and spend" to BE RESPONSIBLE. Yeah, right.

Time for a CHANGE. Then we'll see the Republicans whine.

Posted by: Bill | July 10, 2008 4:12 PM

HELLO....earth to McCain. How do you disagree with your chief advisor? You picked up this doofus because you trusted him to give you good advice, and now you say you disagree with him? Why is he still around. Welcome to McCain's world, where you hire advisors that you don't trust. I don't know who's more stupid...Gramm or McIdiot.

Posted by: Playa | July 10, 2008 4:12 PM

Obama has been playing nice for too long. He needs to jump on this and drive a stake through Mccains heart. Obama let Hillary coast on the sniper story when he could have finished her off and almost lost. I hope he kills Mccain with every stupid quote that comes out of the ridiculous excuse for a presidential campaign. I would hate to be someone who gave money to Mccains campaign. You must want to stick needles in your eyes so you don't have to watch anymore.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:11 PM

Man, Mccain "REALLY" throws you under the bus quick, and then makes fun of you on top of it. Maybe he will send Gramm a few cartons of cigarettes and a ticket to Iran.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:06 PM

McCain's goose is cooked and Phil Gramm lit the fire. Between the two of them they do not have a credible economic thought other than blame the victim and label us whiners.

Gramm and McCain are both millionaire political hacks and cannot be expected to understand, sympathize with, or have solutions for the plight of ordinary Americans. They represent the monied class which wants us to suck it up, suffer without complaint, and continue to fight their war for oil in Iraq.

We have had enough of the whole lot of them. It is time for a change. Vote Obama, for the sake of our nation's future.

Posted by: dee | July 10, 2008 4:05 PM

I am sorry but people surround them with other who think alike. All that happened was Gramm said something he should not have but reflected the thinking of all of them. There is no distancing for Mccain to do, the cat is out of the bag. It is a long time to the election and I can only imagine how many more flubs they will have. Forget the straight talk express, It is the "Campaign who can't shoot straight". Mccains campaign makes Hillary's disaster look like a well oiled machine.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:02 PM

Phil Gramm was a Senator from Texas where I live. Check him out. He is a sorry no good bxxxxxtarsd. Check him and his wife out on the Inron thing. If he and McCain think this country is only in a mental depression, they are lame brain. They need to get out and see what a mess this country is in. People are hurting and the old and sick are really hurting and our veterans are not geeting a fair shake. Check him out , go to the library , we have one here and it is free.

Posted by: Westexacan | July 10, 2008 4:02 PM

Phil Gramm is the same fool who was a major player in deregulating the banks and causing the mortgage meltdown. I'm shocked and appaled that he's Mcbush's main economic advisor. Why the media hasn't made this public is beyond me.

Posted by: Ryan | July 10, 2008 3:57 PM

Along with Reagan, Gramm and McCain are advocates of "trickle-down economics." When Reagan left office, he left the government so broke his successor, GHW Bush, had to raise taxes, and that did him in after one term. No one recalls that Reagan also raised the Soc. Sec. payroll tax because he and his cronies had raided it so often to shore up his incompetent stewardship of the economy. And yet you have moral perverts who support trickle down, as if a growing economy has lifted all boats. The distance between the wealthiest families and the rest has grown by more than a trickle, and the evisceration of the estate tax has created an aristocratic class that will eventually be supported by organizations such as Blackwater, whose efficacy was tested in Iraq, and was probably one reason for going to war there. Meanwhile, all you turnips can't even get to your underpaid jobs because the U.S.'s aggression against the oil producers around the world has made them less than sympathetic to the value of the crumbling dollar. KYA good-bye.

Posted by: edwcorey | July 10, 2008 3:57 PM

Why such a small headline on the home page for this? Could it be that the WP doesn't want people mad at McCain. There should be no mistake that McCain does not understand the problems of the regular folk. He is out of touch with us, though he acts like one of us... he is not. He is a true conservative who doesn't care about the little people. The conservative view is that corporations should have control and when it goes bad for the rest of us... well too bad... it is all in our head... we are just imagining tough times. McCain is wealthy. He can't imagine how bad it is for some people. Those who vote for McCain have their blinders on.

Posted by: goldie | July 10, 2008 3:54 PM

And how would a liberal elite politician named Barack "Fake" Obama who also has millions, grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia sympathesize with auto workers in Michigan. What a fraud, crook, and a liar.

Posted by: | July 10, 2008 3:15 PM


Barack's middle name is "fake"? I thought it was Hussein all this time.

Anyways, we get it mr. never uses a name....you don't like Obama.

Until you can back up your slanders with facts please refrain from posting. You're boring and predictable.

Posted by: dan | July 10, 2008 3:54 PM

McCain is a disgrace. He hasn't a clue as to what is going on in this country and no intention of addressing it, unless it will benefit the rich and powerful. 8 more years of pandering to the oil lobby and big corporations? No thanks. This country is ready for a change.

Posted by: CarolBG | July 10, 2008 3:38 PM


McCain doesn't agree with the guy he hired to write his economic policy?

This is a clear indication of the complete failure a McSame Presidency would be.

Posted by: sequoia | July 10, 2008 3:37 PM

Isn't is funny how the media comes to Mcsame's defnse.If it was Obama or one his surrogates who would have made those stupid remarks we ould be hearing about it for the whole weekend.Gen. Clark stated the truth about Mcsame's stint in the military and his imprisonment in Viet Nam
does not give him experience to be president and he was taken to task.But Gramm makes this remar and media immediately
explains what he meant.He meant what he said.They don't understand because they have always had MILLIONS.But what a tradgey.This is all the republicans have.They media has become Mcsame cheering squade.He doesn't need the 527s.

Posted by: Carolyn LeBeauf | July 10, 2008 3:36 PM

McSame, McLame, McIdiot? It's hard to tell these days.

Posted by: So Which is it? | July 10, 2008 3:35 PM

Yes, all of our problems are the fault of the Democratic Congress elected in 2006.

The Republicans controlled EVERYTHING from 2001 - 2007 and did everything perfectly, right.

How baffling that they didn't keep Congress in the midterm election.

Note to Republican apologists: "Whining" about the Dems won't save you now. Not everybody is as dull-witted as the GOP base.

You have a record to run on. Inconvenient, ain't it?

Posted by: Brittman1 | July 10, 2008 3:34 PM

This country needs to elect leaders that will do something more than call them names.

Posted by: Sara B. | July 10, 2008 3:32 PM


So, what's worse - telling a group of liberal elites that Americans are bitter and CLING to guns and religion or telling Americans that our leaders are whiners?

Our leaders are whiners. The Demoracts ran in 2006 by blaming everything on Bush, foreigners, and outsourcing. They got elected and took a decent majority of both houses of Congress. Two years later, things are exactly the same - probably even worse. They are not taking accountability for their actions (or lack thereof) and are whining.

Gramm is right on. Our leaders are whiners, and whining and blaming other people is not going to fix anything. Frankly, whining is un-American and contradicts our can-do attitude. In the meanwhile, I'm not a gunowner, but I am bitter that our leaders in Congress are whiners. I will also CLING to my religion and have faith that this nation will elect better leaders in Congress and the White House. I may not agree with every policy position John McCain holds, but I do know that he has the personal courage to stand up to his own party and popular opinion to do what he sincerely believes is the best for America. Meanwhile Obama continues to pander to the middle in his selfish bid for power. Obama is the classic whiner, and hopefully bitter Americans can see past his machinations.


Posted by: Clinging and bitter | July 10, 2008 3:17 PM

You consider voting 95% of the time with the GOP "standing up to his own party"???

That doesn't sound very "mavericky" to me.

And Gramm clearly wasn't talking about our nation's leaders doing the whining. If you bought that line of crap you're really gullible.

WcCain has constantly talked about how the economy isn't that bad...it's just "perceived to be bad" so I'm not buying his distancing from Gramm BS.

Gramm helped write WcCain's weaka$$ economic plan so I'd hardly call him inconsequential to WcCain's campaign.

And finally....that whole "Dr. No" line of BS could be the weakest talking point I've ever heard. It's LAME....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 3:30 PM

It is never a good idea to call voters "whiners."

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Posted by: Brittman1 | July 10, 2008 3:30 PM

Gramm is trying to re-write what he said. He said WE were a nation of whiners, not our leaders. He said our economic problems were mental, not real. This is the guy McCain has used as his main economic advisor after admitting he, McCain, didn't know much about economics. The ones with the mental block are McCain, Bush, Gramm and the rest of the GOP who think suffering on Main Street is unimportant s long as Wall Street is OK.

Posted by: ProudWhiner | July 10, 2008 3:29 PM

Clinging and bitter cried:

"blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, oink, blah, fart, blah"
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Yeah, okay man. All conservatives do is whine and BLAME everybody for their failures.

You blame liberals, Democrats, Commies, gays, the media, Mooooooslims, unions, Congress (when Dems are in power), "activist" judges, secular humanists, people struggling economically, foreigners, and whomever else you can think of to avoid responsibility for your Pretzeldent and his backwards party's failures on all levels. It's pathetic, and then you wonder why you are losing?

Think about it.

Posted by: sequoia | July 10, 2008 3:28 PM

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Posted by: Hill | July 10, 2008 3:26 PM


SO, let me get this straight.

Gramm was hired by McCain to write his economic policy, but McCain "does not agree" with him?

Uh, okay. That makes a lot of sense.

Is it just me, or is McCain running the WORST campaign you've EVER seen?

Posted by: sequoia | July 10, 2008 3:21 PM

So, what's worse - telling a group of liberal elites that Americans are bitter and CLING to guns and religion or telling Americans that our leaders are whiners?

Our leaders are whiners. The Demoracts ran in 2006 by blaming everything on Bush, foreigners, and outsourcing. They got elected and took a decent majority of both houses of Congress. Two years later, things are exactly the same - probably even worse. They are not taking accountability for their actions (or lack thereof) and are whining.

Gramm is right on. Our leaders are whiners, and whining and blaming other people is not going to fix anything. Frankly, whining is un-American and contradicts our can-do attitude. In the meanwhile, I'm not a gunowner, but I am bitter that our leaders in Congress are whiners. I will also CLING to my religion and have faith that this nation will elect better leaders in Congress and the White House. I may not agree with every policy position John McCain holds, but I do know that he has the personal courage to stand up to his own party and popular opinion to do what he sincerely believes is the best for America. Meanwhile Obama continues to pander to the middle in his selfish bid for power. Obama is the classic whiner, and hopefully bitter Americans can see past his machinations.

Posted by: Clinging and bitter | July 10, 2008 3:17 PM

And how would a liberal elite politician named Barack "Fake" Obama who also has millions, grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia sympathesize with auto workers in Michigan. What a fraud, crook, and a liar.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 3:15 PM

"The state of Michigan is hurting very badly as we all know,"

And just how would a man that is married to a millionaire that owns 8 or 9 homes know anything about their pain and stuggling economically? What a fraud.

Posted by: JDB | July 10, 2008 3:10 PM

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