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Critics Ask: Is Obama Too Hard on Blacks?

By Perry Bacon Jr.
While the Rev. Jesse Jackson has already apologized for comments he made accusing Barack Obama of "talking down to black people," the civil rights leader is not alone in wondering if the Democratic nominee is going too far in blaming African Americans for some of the problems they face.

Writing in Time magazine last month following Obama's speech on Father's Day rebuking absentee black fathers, Michael Eric Dyson, an Obama backer and sociology professor at Georgetown University, argued "stereotypes about negligent black fathers persist, promoted most vehemently by Bill Cosby, who has embarked on a national crusade against the alleged misbehavior of poor black families. And yet such stereotypes may have little basis in reality."

"Obama brilliantly cited a Chris Rock routine about black men expecting praise for things they were supposed to do, like stay out of jail and take care of their children," Dyson wrote. "But Rock's humor is so effective because he is just as hard on whites as on blacks. That's a part of the routine Obama has not yet adopted."

Jackson made a similar point, writing in a statement "my appeal was for the moral content of his message to not only deal with the personal and moral responsibility of black males, but to deal with the collective moral responsibility of government and the public policy which would be a corrective action for the lack of good choices that often led to their irresponsibility."

Dyson argued in his essay that Obama was pursuing this line of argument to win over the white voters he will need to be elected president, but it's not clear that his approach is just a political strategy. Obama gave similar speeches calling for more personal responsibility to reduce crime and improve education in the black community in 2006, before he started running for president. And, in early 2007, well before his support among white working-class voters became an issue, Obama spoke in front of black audiences and sometimes white ones about the importance of having kids do homework instead of watching television.

Back then, Melissa V. Harris-Lacewell, a professor of African-American studies at Princeton University, told The Post that she thought Obama's critique of black children who blast their more academically successful counterparts for "acting white" was not a real explanation for the large gap between white and black students.

"The gap is not because black 7-year-olds are holding back other black 7-year-olds," she said. "This black pathology argument is appealing, but I think he's wrong empirically."

The causes of black underachievement are complicated, a point both Obama and people who don't embrace his entire message agree on. And the candidate has proposed billions in new spending that would help solve some of the inequity problems Jackson and others talk about.

Nor is Obama's message that unusual. Black leaders such as Al Sharpton and Jackson have long complained of absentee fathers in the African-American community. Obama often draws loud applause in black audiences for raising these ideas, as he did earlier this week in Georgia when he said of young black men who aspire to be rappers "maybe you are the next Lil' Wayne, but probably not, in which case you need to stay in school" and of those who want to be basketball stars "you are overrated in your own mind. You will not play in the NBA."

Obama's campaign aides said he would continue to sound these themes.

"He will continue to speak out about our responsibilities to ourselves and each other," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement that noted Obama accepted Jackson's apology for his remarks.

By Web Politics Editor  |  July 10, 2008; 9:52 AM ET
 
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I agree with Obama. The black community has a long, very long way to go.
So whats wrong with the African Community?
This is a hard question to ask because there are a lot of factors. To stereotype it as a problem related to rap or sports isn't good enough. I do think they need a wake up call and there does need to be a movement to get black men to be accountable for their actions and get them to raise their kids but this isn't the entire problem.

I think that this nation needs to address the issue as well. Its just not a problem with their community. Its America's problem.

Now that this has been said, the answers to this specific problem aren't easy and won't happen overnight and maybe not even in 50 yrs or 100 yrs.... What? Did I say something bad here? Compare their grievences with other ethnic groups and you will find that the Scotts and English dislike eachother the same as Irish and English dislike eachother the same as mestizos still discriminate against indians in Guatemala.

This isn't going away. The best way to solve this is for them to be included in more local and state governments. It is also economic. We need to give more of their young the economic mobility necessary to succeed in our society without using the federal governments heavy hand to do it.

I think Obama is correct to give the black community a wake up call by being blunt. I think that those that decry Obama and Cosby for bluntness need a reality check.
But this is not just their problem.

The problems that plauge their community also plauge hispanic and asian communities in impoverished areas. Obama needs to remember that.

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Finally I agree with Obama. I was very please to listen to his speech encouraging Blacks to take personal responsibility for their own success in life. Black Americans need to be more involve in the growth of their lives and their children lives.

I am consistently hearing parents and students complaining that schools are not teaching their children anything yet when I ask are they helping their children with homework, the answer is always no. Education starts at home. When was the last time you participate in the PTA or drop in just to see how your child is progressing in school? When was the last time you watch the news with your children, read a newspaper or book, visit a library or museum? Education starts at home. School is just a small part of learning. Black Americans need to participate more in their children's education.

I find it ironic that black parents are upset when their children use foul language yet allowed them to watch videos and movies laced with four letters words one reserved for a saloon.

Why was it that when Bill Cosby said the exact same thing, Blacks were ready to hang him yet when Obama repeated exactly what Cosby said, Blacks cheered?

Parents need to encourage education, citizenship and respect for themselves and others. Hey moms and dads starting encouraging chores, earning an allowances, interest in hobbies (beside sports), nutrition and respect. When did we start not caring about are appearance? Parents need to demand that children dress like young girls and boys. Have you seen some of the outfits our kids are wearing to the prom?

Men need to be more involve in their children lives and for those not working get a job. The welfare system help contribute to the demise of the Black family because a mother can not received help if a man was present. When did the black men stop hustling for odd jobs to pay the rent?

We have to change the way we think and start sitting down with our boys and girl and discuss life. Our children have know idea how the real world works. It is our responsibility to teach them to write a check, read a newspaper and be able to add 1 + 1,, not the schools or the government.

Start a group in your neighbor to help our children and stay out of the clubs. I am always amused when parents drop off the underage children off at a club or better than that join them on the dance floor. Stop watching BET and start watching PBS. The truth sometimes hurts.

The media and the world would take us serious if we took ourselves serious.

Posted by: yolando | July 17, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I am not surprised by the old guard reaction but I am for the reactions of those who see these as a "talk down". I am a black man and I understand that we need to be more responsible of our deeds, the time of excuses has passed, we know our history in this country and are not the only one to have suffered, we need to move beyond that and find our place in the new; we can only get with the program if we begin to face the music. Is it a fact that too many of our kids grow up without us? YES. what are we to do about this? Stand up and take on the task of being there for them, make the time for TV viewing, set the time for home work.Bill COSBY is right about what we have not done right and we are ashamed of it so some activists go after him; I am sure that Martin Luther King would have had second thoughts if he knew what we were going to do with the gift that came to us by his sacrifice.

Posted by: Ebone | July 11, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

No damn free passes -

Don't point to the white folk on this issue, look at yourselves. Back when welfare was the rage, black women wanted the kids, to get money and said the heck with the father - move out or I'll looose money. Now you wonder why this mess is the way it is.

Posted by: zendrell | July 11, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Now it starts. I knew from the beginning Barack could not be elected president because I knew some of the blacks in this nation would be the first to attack him in the very matters which need to be addressed.

I lived in the south for a number of years where the community was 42 percent black. I watched the musical chairs where many of the men moved in with a woman, had children with her and when she got tired of him just sitting around, she ran him off. He would find another accomodating woman and just start over again.

I had the most wonderful baby sitter who at 21 already and had 4 children each with a different father. She told me it is the way things work...which I had a hard time understanding.

I heard many children say, "where do you stay?", when they were asking another where there home was. I asked why they said it that way and they said, "a lot of us live with our aunts or grandmas, we don't have a real home."

Obama knows all about being abandoned by a father. He knows the damage it did to his own soul. If the philandering blacks like Jesse Jackson don't want to hear it, it doesn't make Obama's statement a putdown that isn't deserved by the men in the black community.

Just as the black children who are jealous make fun of children that strive in school Jackson makes fun now of Obama and makes indecent remarks because he is actually jealous of Obama's accomplishments.

Posted by: M. Whited | July 11, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Obama is right. Lets look at some numbers instead of throwing around accusations.

2006 Census Data, Table C3

If you look at these numbers and so a simple numerical comparison, you see that over all the races there are 7,443,000 children under 18 living with a single mother who was never married. (This leaves out a lot of other situations, but we'll go with this for ease of comparison)

For white alone the number of children is: 3,263,000 For black alone the number of children is: 3,557,000.

Let's compare. It seems there are nearly the same number of white men leaving their kids as black men. So it's true that a lot of white men are deadbeats too, no argument there. However, let's keep in mind, as someone mentioned, that black people are only 20% of the population overall. This means that the PERCENTAGE of black men abandoning their babies is a lot higher than white men. While each race has high numbers, it seems like a bigger problem with black men because a greater majority of the black male population, relative to their total numbers, engage in this behaviour. And there you have it. Obama is right to criticize and hope his courage in saying it will cause at least a few men, white and black, to reconsider their behaviour.

Posted by: dmt | July 11, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

america, please reject these ambulance chasing race hustlers. dyson, jackson, sharpton, the NAACP and the congressional black caucus. whites, hispanics, asians, indian-americans...just reject them. they've duped you all long enough. their time is up.

Posted by: dyson is a hustler | July 11, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Go Obama!!!

Posted by: Steve B. | July 10, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it past your bedtime??

Mommy is calling!

Posted by: EbonyFLUSH | July 10, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Look, I had sociology and the facts are there. I've witnessed plenty. I saw the video of his speech, and I just reread that fantastic transcript. I personally find that Obama spoke truthfully, and it applies to more than just this specific group of people. However, when you look at it from a sociological point of view and break it down per group, I do find some amount of significance within this group of people. The statistics are there. It is in my opinion that whoever has a problem with it, instead of criticizing in denial, stand up and acknowledge the truth. Obama said what needed to be said, for all those the message definitely applies to. We need to honor the value of Family, be mature, and take the reigns on raising our young with ethics and many values; furthermore, what better example could our young have than us parents ourselves? He said what needed to be said. This message needs to be heard. I don't believe that message is getting heard on BET, no offense. I don't want to talk about the media; that's a whole different conversation.

Posted by: Obama2008 | July 10, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

RealChoices: "they would shout racism if it (harsh critisms of blacks) came from a white man."
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Hold up right here MR. "Real Choices".
First of all let's be clear in our descriptions. Who is "they". Secondly, you made the point tha me and others who agree with me that Obama broached a topic of serious proportion about the black community and its men especially because it i what the racists want to say but are too politically correct maybe even scared to go there. Son, Obama goes there for them that way he wins them over and spares them the pain of being called, "RACISTS". But oh you little exploited, clueless, know-it-all can't look beyond what you see on TV and grasp from the media. One day you will understand little grasshopper the real nature of what we call "POLITICS".

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Amen George.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

So What's wrong with a little truth now and then? We all need to get our butt's kicked for one thing or another sometime.

Jesse just feeds into the worst stereotypes ever created. Yikes!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Two-thirds of black children are born without a father married to the mother. That's not a stereotype; that's factual, accurate data. For all its flaws as an institution, marriage is what keeps men attached to their women through the hard and difficult times of life. Then you combine this with the street culture of violence, drugs, and crime, and it's a formula for disaster. Two generations have already been lost from this, and people like Barack Obama and Bill Cosby may be our only hope of stopping the downward spiral of so many black communities.

Posted by: George Robertson | July 10, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Grrr I would like a little Ebony and Ivory right now. Cant we all just get along?

Posted by: Allison | July 10, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I think the funniest part of all this is how absolutely um, nuts, the press has gone over all of this. There's a really funny reel that shows a compilation of the absurd reactions of news anchors/political pundits. Enjoy! http://www.236.com/news/2008/07/10/cable_news_anchors_choking_on_7663.php

Posted by: eliana | July 10, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Ebony. DARLING.

Barack is where he is now, because he has chosen NOT to soley identify himself and limit himself by the label of "Black Man"...Some in society might, but he doesnt. He has chosen to embrace all of his heritage, white and black, but also move beyond the labels and their social meanings.

Sure, not all people will see him like this, but therein lies the beauty of it...he doesn't give a rat's ass! He is happy being himself, OWNS it, and exudes the joy and confidence of a happy, complete person. White people see this and love it, because he doesnt act like a "Black Man" thinks he "HAS TO".

When you have that kind of balance in your life, you just flow.

Peace.

Posted by: EbonyandIvory | July 10, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

MIKE SAID: "get beyond the race excuse"

You know Mike what really intrigues me to no end are people like you who want to pretend that you are "everyman". You say that you look beyond race and color etc. To me you are just talking loud and saying nothing. Somehow you want to convince yourself that "race" does not matter, no way ,no how ,no where. You are sorely in need of social surgery my friend. Racial prejudices roamed this earth before you and will be here when you leave sir. Get educated.....keep living....life will be your best taecher. Remember, you heard that from me, "THE EBONYFLASH".

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama is half white. That is why he is running for POTUS with a good chance of being elected. Get over it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

MIKE SAID: "get beyond the race excuse"

You know Mike what really intrigues me to no end are people like you who want to pretend that you are "everyman". You say that you look beyond race and color etc. To me you are just talking loud and saying nothing. Somehow you want to convince yourself that "race" does not matter, no way ,no how ,no where. You are sorely in need of social surgery my friend. Racial prejudices roamed this earth before you and will be here when you leave sir. Get educated.....keep living....life will be your best taecher. Remember, you heard that from me, "THE EBONYFLASH".

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't belong to ANY GROUP...he is a bi-racial politician that is trying to get elected!

Any other questions?

Posted by: crazyman | July 10, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

SO good, it needs to be re-posted:

Obama's too hard on Blacks? Particularly on Black men?

That's a joke, right?

Go to any remotely inner-city environment and you see a disproportionate number of Black men, both young and not-so-young, standing around, smoking, spitting, laughing, and otherwise jamming their ears with the loudest, most obnoxious NOISE, rendering them highly rude, agitated, disrespectful.

They are a danger to the general public, true.

But these Black men --- who wander seemingly aimlessly --- are very dangerous to each other, as testified by the homicide, suicide, and murder rates in the Black community across America.

The women, POORER and less educated women (of Black and White), who have children by Black men seem to have multiple children, and if you ride the public buses long enough, you beginning to understand that there is a scary picture of mostly women stuck with raising multiple children, seemingly fathered by different and irresponsible Black males.

And Obama's --- and Cosby's --- too harsh on Blacks, particularly Black men?

That's a big laugh, even from a far left Liberal like me who doesn't really have much praises for ole Conservative Whites who yearn for THEIR good ole days when the great White men made all those cherished golden rules (where all of us non-Whites had to sit in the freakin' back of the bus, for society's sake)....

Posted by: aaron | July 10, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

RealChoices--That is exactly right! The truth can be hard to hear for some, but that just makes the messages he has the guts to deliver, that much more powerful and important.

At the end of the day, it is about one thing-personal responsibility! Don't you dare CHOSE to bring more children into this world, when you yourself aren't educated, and don't have a strong plan for their lifelong education and development. Nuff said.

Posted by: Laurel11 | July 10, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

These forums are funny.. every obama story ends up with two phrases being thrown around loosely - thrown under the bus and sold out...

How has Obama sold out Black people? First he is not just our candidate. He has been clear about that from day one. Two, how is telling the TRUTH selling out. Selling out is what Jesse Jackson does when he overplays the victim card. Yes there is much racism in this country. I've experienced it first hand on more than one occasion in places such as South Florida, Ohio, and Virginia. However, blaming every problem on racism and ignoring the capability of individuals to be self-responsible and live up to their potential is the worst kind of sell out. Jesse should go sit in the corner and STFU.


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Amen Ebonyflash.

I think blacks who aren't sold on/ worshipping/bamboozled by Obama need to have a support group just to deal with all this madness.

He says he's about change. but Obama's sold everyone out. He's moved so fast to the right on abortion, guns, death penalty, FISA, NAFTA, faith based programs its not funny. And now, he needs to shore up the whites so he makes speeches targeting Blacks. Funny. Where was he at the Black State of the Union - a forum for addressing these issues?

Posted by: anon | July 10, 2008 6:43 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey EbonyFlash--

Seriously Dude. You have some issues that you need help with, not the least of which is spelling!! (SpellCheck...it's your new best friend!

Its not too late to get that G.E.D!! You know Obama would approve!

Hope you get beyond the race excuses some day, I really do.

Posted by: Mike | July 10, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Ebonyflash, he isn't thumbing his nose a Martin Luther King, he is talking about people who deal drugs, have kids out of wedlock, blame everything on racism and refuse to accept any personal responsibility. It is a message many blacks need to hear. They would shout racism if it comes from a white man.

Posted by: RealChoices | July 10, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

IMAGINE A BLACK INTELLECTUAL ELITIST (OBAMA) THUMBING HIS NOSE AT THE PEOPLE WHO FOUGHT HARD TO GET HIM WHERE HE IS TODAY. MANY DIED IN THE STRUGGLE AND FOR ITS CAUSES. NOW YOU SAY THE OLD GENERATION NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THE WAY...IT'S A NEW DAY? THIS IS WHY BLACK AMERICA WILL ALWAYS BE IN THE REAR WITHOUT THE GEAR...WE FORGET ALL TOO QUICKLY FROM WHENCE WE'VE COME.

AND WE STILL HAVE A LONG, LONG, LONG WAY TO GO!

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

IMAGINE A BLACK INTELLECTUAL ELITIST (OBAMA) THUMBING HIS NOSE AT THE PEOPLE WHO FOUGHT HARD TO GET HIM WHERE HE IS TODAY. MANY DIED IN THE STRUGGLE AND FOR ITS CAUSES. NOW YOU SAY THE OLD GENERATION NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THE WAY...IT'S A NEW DAY? THIS IS WHY BLACK AMERICA WILL ALWAYS BE IN THE REAR WITHOUT THE GEAR...WE FORGET ALL TOO QUICKLY FROM WHENCE WE'VE COME.

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama's too hard on Blacks? Particularly on Black men?

That's a joke, right?

Go to any remotely inner-city environment and you see a disproportionate number of Black men, both young and not-so-young, standing around, smoking, spitting, laughing, and otherwise jamming their ears with the loudest, most obnoxious NOISE, rendering them highly rude, agitated, disrespectful.

They are a danger to the general public, true.

But these Black men --- who wander seemingly aimlessly --- are very dangerous to each other, as testified by the homicide, suicide, and murder rates in the Black community across America.

The women, POORER and less educated women (of Black and White), who have children by Black men seem to have multiple children, and if you ride the public buses long enough, you beginning to understand that there is a scary picture of mostly women stuck with raising multiple children, seemingly fathered by different and irresponsible Black males.

And Obama's --- and Cosby's --- too harsh on Blacks, particularly Black men?

That's a big laugh, even from a far left Liberal like me who doesn't really have much praises for ole Conservative Whites who yearn for THEIR good ole days when the great White men made all those cherished golden rules (where all of us non-Whites had to sit in the freakin' back of the bus, for society's sake)....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Who said it is a stereotype to think that a disportunate number of black men are not living up to their family responsibilities? If it is, I guess I am fitting that stereotype. Barack Obama is merely saying something that is being talked about quietly in black circles. Let the man speak. He is not talking down to black people. I only wish other black public figures will have the courage like Bill cosby and Barack Obama to speak and actually do something about it.

By the way I happen to be a black man.

Posted by: Glen | July 10, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Jackson belongs to the old generation. Now Blacks have achieved at last what the Civil Rights Movement fought for. Obama's generation owes them the equal rights they now enjoy. Imagine a white woman accusing a Black man of being an intellectual elitist. That is really something to be proud about.

Posted by: Bodo | July 10, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Barack and Michelle Obama; the families on both sides - his and hers - are too good for Americans. Sometimes, I believe we Americans deserve the likes of John McCain, Jesse Helms(deceased), Jesse 'Pimp' Jackson and his sidekick, 'Pimp' Sharpton. We black people (should) hunger for the likes of Obama or Cosby if for no other reason then the fact that they just might care enough about us to 'air our dirty laundry' and tell it like 'tis, keep us honest and accountable for what "We as a people..." do to each other. I'm not particularly concerned with what whites do or think; I AM, however, deeply concerned about the ethnic cleansing that is taking place in black communities; cleansing that is perpetrated by blacks upon blacks - DAILY! And, I'm pi...ed off that we continue to 'keep whitey on the hook...for past sins' and the infrequent incidents of real racism (i.e., Gena, LA, the aftermath of Katrina); use every excuse imaginable to ignore our own self-destructive behaviors - so we can be 'down' and 'authentic'. N...ah, please!
Didn't the attacks on September 11th teach us anything about race/identity politics?
Thankfully, there are many Americans who have evolved beyond race and culture; evolved enough to endorse a candidate (who happens to be African/European-American) who represents the best opportunity for the change our nation so desperately needs. Thank you,
Georgia "Flash"

Posted by: Georgia "Flash" | July 10, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Decades later, another "H-town" moment from the Rev. Jackson. Tell us how you really feel, reverend.

This incident just shows how small-minded and jealous Jackson is of Obama.

There is nothing wrong with preaching the politics of personal responsibility to all Americans, regardless of their skin color.

Posted by: W | July 10, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Now that OBama has used the black vote to help him get the nomination, he is throwing all of them under the bus to try and get white votes.

Obama is the worst sort of hypocritical politician. He has the morals of a tom chasing a female cat in heat.

Reminds me of a 20th century politician who wrote a book about his struggles,developed great oratory skills, developed a cult like following, and when the more powerful questioned his cult followers he threw the followers literally under the bus.

Obama seesm to be using this late leader's methology. That is why I don't trust him.

Posted by: William | July 10, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

This is a stupid question. Obama has a right to speak on whatever topic he chooses. He's part Black. He can criticize, if he likes. It doesn't make his criticism true, hard on any particular race, or false. People are like that; they have opinions. Not having had a Dad, he's probably a bit bitter about it.

He has a great deal of company, Black and White. Next topic?

Posted by: Ollie | July 10, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm a former Democrat who has recently registered as unafiliated, and it's great not to have any obligations to political hacks in either the Republican or Democratic party.

Scanning the comments on this message board, it's interesting to see Obama supporters still illogically claiming that because an experienced government official sometimes screws up, Obama will be a better president because he doesn't have any experience!!!

Tell that to the next person who interviews you for a job. You'll be laughed out the door.

Posted by: ichief | July 10, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Obviously another slow news day for Perry Bacon Jr. Some day he may actually write an article with substance. He didn't today. Oh well, at least he gets another pay check from the WP.

Posted by: Wake Me When Its Over | July 10, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

right on dmt. If a black man stays with one woman, supports her and feeds the children he becomes a national icon. I personally don't know any??

Posted by: figures dont lie | July 10, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Let the man speak truth. Tough love in needed because of the deep cultural problems in the community

Posted by: truth | July 10, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of the media jumping on anything remotely connected to Obama, no matter how trivial. "Is Obama too hard on blacks?" How about-- is McCain too hard on women? (He called his wife the 'c' word & a trollop in public). How about 'Is McCain too hard on war vets?' - he voted several times against benefits for vets, and has extremely low ratings from several vet groups. So when will the media find time to headline McCain's negativity, daily flip-flops, etc.?
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Don't forget women, McCain has already publicly said he's gonna end Roe vs Wade in his first term in office by appointing the 3 Supreme Court judges who think as he does.

Don't forget his own economic policy advisor yesterday said hurt Americans are whiny about the economy. He tried to change face today by saying he was talking about American leaders but he clearly left out leaders when he made the speech. McCain is old guard, old school mentality, who's so out of touch with reality he doesn't even know how to use a PC or how our own economy works. How does a person become Senator and be in politics all these years without knowing something about how the American economy works? Un-believable. Give me the Harvard grad, at least he has some knowledge of how the system works and taught Constitutional Law on the highest levels.

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | July 10, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

He is right for speaking out on issues that have been either ignored or enabled within the black community. I think he should speak out far more. There is much more to be addressed.

Posted by: socrates3333 | July 10, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama is right. Lets look at some numbers instead of throwing around accusations.

2006 Census Data, Table C3

http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/hh-fam/cps2006.html

If you look at these numbers and do a simple numerical comparison, you see that over all the races there are 7,443,000 children under 18 living with a single mother who was never married. (This leaves out a lot of other situations, but we'll go with this for ease of comparison)

For white alone the number of children is: 3,263,000 For black alone the number of children is: 3,557,000.

Let's compare. It seems there are nearly the same number of white men leaving their kids as black men. So it's true that a lot of white men are deadbeats too, no argument there. However, let's keep in mind, as someone mentioned, that black people are only 20% of the population overall. This means that the PERCENTAGE of black men abandoning their babies is a lot higher than white men. While each race has high numbers, it seems like a bigger problem with black men because a greater majority of the black male population, relative to their total numbers, engage in this behaviour. And there you have it. Obama is right to criticize and hope his courage in saying it will cause at least a few men, white and black, to reconsider their behaviour.

Posted by: dmt | July 10, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Mike: "we need to put our pride aside and and learm from Obama"

Mike,
If you nedd Obama to teach yoyu to be a man then I am sorry for you! Be your own man. Stand up for Mike and Mike's beliefs. Set you goals. Learn all you can about how politics, government and economics work. Obama hasn't time nor the interest in teaching you a damn thing. It all sounds good to your ears but it actuality it means noyhing for your SOUL! Obama is not saying anything that whits people haven't beensaying about black men, black women and black children. Where have you been? He is just repeating it in a repackaged format to make it sound like he is concerned. Truth is, he could care less. It sells to the other than black voters Mike. Get up and walk your own walk.

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

The issue is multi-pronged. And asking "is he too hard on blacks?" is simplistic... the problems root themselves in our american culture in totality. I cannot even begin to name ever fuse here, but for starters, the american culture overall effect, of all colors, promotes petty selfishness and self-protection at the expense of neighbors. It sings in jingles the compulsion to have things, like a squirrel rat-packing shiny fragments in a dark hole, to guard the door from intruders.

For blacks, the deck is stacked against them. Generally in a ghetto sense, born poor, Raise in unstable family units, attending the worst schools, walking in an enviroment of daily despair in a world where if male your very likely to be jailed for hungry actions. Much, is like asking them to work three times as hard for the same candy bar as whites... and while possible, we are only human apt helplessness and apathy.

Whites have their white trash, Hispanics have their bean-backs, Native Americans have drunk chicken feathers, Asians have their disowned sons... Abject failure and weeniness is not sectioned off in the burg across the rail, losers are everywhere.

Too hard? Not hard enough for all types of crackers.

It would do our culture well to replace much of the nonsense surrealism with affectual realism.

Posted by: Hoopla Jones | July 10, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh EbonyFlash, you angry black man, you.

Like someone said, the statistics are what they are, and they just happen to be a whole lot higher in some areas for the black community, than anyone else in this country. Afraid of the truth? I'm not. Barack delivers a message that a lot of people need to hear, its not that complicated baby.

Posted by: Mike | July 10, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Mike: I am a person not a color"

Cassandra Washington posted a comment at 6:24 P.M. I suggest that read it. Don't just read the words, internalize them. Read for DEEP STRUCTURE AND MEANING!!

As far you being a person not a color Mike, have you read your birth certificate lately? I guess they describe you as "off-white", "transparent" oh yes "diverse"!

Get real man! You are living on Fantasy Island. THERE IS NO SHAME IN BEING BLACK MIKE. BE BLACK!

FRENCH ARE FRENCH, JEWS ARE JEWS, AFRICANS ARE AFRICANS. WHAT WRONG WITH ACKNOWLEDGING YOUR BLACKNESS?

Rev. Wright said: "DIFFERNT, NOT INFERIOR"

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Amen Ebonyflash.

I think blacks who aren't sold on/ worshipping/bamboozled by Obama need to have a support group just to deal with all this madness.

He says he's about change. but Obama's sold everyone out. He's moved so fast to the right on abortion, guns, death penalty, FISA, NAFTA, faith based programs its not funny. And now, he needs to shore up the whites so he makes speeches targeting Blacks. Funny. Where was he at the Black State of the Union - a forum for addressing these issues?

Posted by: anon | July 10, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Since we are all on race today I haven't seen but one post that defends the rights of Native American Indians who have been treated equally as bad as blacks, and maybe worse. Blacks were removed from their homelands and forced into slavery, servitude, and breeding. Indians were already here and had their land taken from right under them, given diseases, slaughtered, scalped, women raped, and killed. Then were forced to "reservations" (equal to Nazi bootcamp if you ask me) so that's supposed to make it okay and make up for the misgivings of our ugly country. They have just as much beef and just as much to complain about as all of us minorities. We may have had it bad and still do to a certain degree but it probably can't compare to how bad the Indian tribes as a whole have had it in a country frankly that was already theirs to start with.

That's real.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey look! Having Chris-bama and Dan-bama write odes to the glory of Senator Obama just wasn't enough, so now we have Perry-bama.

What a great link title, by the way? "Critics Ask: Is Barack Obama Too Hard on Blacks?"

It gives the impression that this utterly poll driven Chicago machine pol isn't afraid to stand up to his constituents. How brave! How noble!

Posted by: guido | July 10, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of the media jumping on anything remotely connected to Obama, no matter how trivial. "Is Obama too hard on blacks?" How about-- is McCain too hard on women? (He called his wife the 'c' word & a trollop in public). How about 'Is McCain too hard on war vets?' - he voted several times against benefits for vets, and has extremely low ratings from several vet groups. So when will the media find time to headline McCain's negativity, daily flip-flops, etc.?

Posted by: dasm | July 10, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama isnt perfect, but he is simply the best man for the job.

Stop bickering, and focus on improving your lives, and making good decisions for your families. We are all AMERICANS, whether we are black, white, red or green.

Get over it, and get on with it.

Posted by: JamesP | July 10, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of the media jumping on anything remotely connected to Obama, no matter how trivial. "Is Obama too hard on blacks?" How about-- is McCain too hard on women? (He called his wife the 'c' word & a trollop in public). How about 'Is McCain too hard on war vets?' - he voted several times against benefits for vets, and has extremely low ratings from several vet groups. So when will the media find time to headline McCain's negativity, daily flip-flops, etc.?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 6:07 PM ===========

Ebonyflash, me thinks you are really Ivoryflash. Take that nonsense somewhere else.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Mike: "we need to put our pride and and learm from Obama"

Mike,
If you nedd Obama to teach yoyu to be a man then I am sorry for you! Be your own man. Stand up for Mike and Mike's beliefs. Set you goals. Learn all you can about how politics, government and economics work. Obama hasn't time nor the interest in teaching you a damn thing. It all sounds good to your ears but it actuality it means noyhing for your SOUL! Obama is not saying anything that whits people haven't beensaying about black men, black women and black children. Where have you been? He is just repeating it in a repackaged format to make it sound like he is concerned. Truth is, he could care less. It sells to the other than black voters Mike. Get up and walk your own walk.

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"That ghetto mentality has got to GO"

AMEN GIRL! Thanks for telling it like it is. We don't have to be tied down to that crapp, just because we are black. You make your own way in this world, based on your individual decisions and aspirations. Shoot for the moon, do not settle for some tired, worn out, excuse.

That is what Obama did, and just look where he is now.

Posted by: Derek | July 10, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTING OBAMA ARE SELLING THEMSELVES INTO A NEW KIND OF SOCIAL BONDAGE.

BLACKS SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA.

OBAMA DOES NOT CARE ONE DAMN THING ABOUT THE ISSUES OF BLACK AMERICA, SO DON"T THINK YOUR NEXT FAMILY REUNIUON WILL BE HELD ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN.

BLACK AMERICA WAKE UP AND BE ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS NOT OBAMA'S BUSINESS.
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So Sista Soulja, who should blacks rally behind, Jesse. Been there done that. Brother Al. Been hoodwinked down that road too. Kwame Kilpatrick. He's really gave blacks in government a black eye. William Jefferson. Still haven't found a good explanation for stuffing $90,000 g's in a freezer for the feds to confiscate, another "black eye". Con-Da-LEEEZA Riiice. Well anyone who's shopping for $1500 pairs of shoes while Hurricane Katrina had devestated the Gulf Coast and had to be called out on it by a white customer in said store shouldn't even think about getting into politics.

Or we should rally monkey around good ole John McCain because yes, he luvs us black folk. The same John McCain who twice turned down MLK as a holiday in his state of Arizona only to agree to make it a holiday when the NFL threatened to take away the Super Bowl from Arizona.

Obama is a politician plain and simple and people need to get over it. But he's the lesser of two evils right now and another 4 years of Republican rule is gonna be a disaster. Especially a Republican with a Democratic controlled Congress is asking for a nightmare we had in the mid nineties under Clinton and a Republican controlled congress that forced the Govt shutdown twice because of bi-partisan bickering.

You can keep Mc Flip Flop I'll give Obama a chance. Experience is what led us in this mess we are in now.

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | July 10, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ebony Flash--

He isn't shooting me, because I don't hide behind "RACE" like you do. I live in a diverse community and identify with myself as a person, not as a color.
You should try it sometime, baby!

Posted by: Mike | July 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Campaign used false-claims of racism to take the black vote away from Clinton ... and he will use negative stereotypes about blacks to take the "typical white voter" from McCain!!
... sorry folks ... it's politics!!!!

Posted by: Cassandra Washington | July 10, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Mike, the messenger is shooting you! Obama will not say these about any other race or ethnic group. He said these things to separate himself from you. If you were a real savvy guy you would see how he expolited you and sold you out for votes fro others who like to hear that blacks just won't do right. This is what;s called political strategy. Obama praises other races, He even told the Jews stories of how his Granpa or uncle (whatever the lie was) helped to free them from Nazi prison camps etc. Obama went to IOWA and thanked them for being at the primary finish line first. He didn't thank the people of Chicago's southside for believing in him or Rev. Wright who gave him a place in the church and a chance to buddy-up with the movers and shakers in Chicago. So you tell me who is shooting whom. WHO GOT SHOT???

...........................................

Are you serious? Obama, though biracial, will always be seen as a Black man (as evident in every single thread you will ever read about him). So why not speak directly to black people... especially when its about the issues that are tearing down our communities? I (a Black woman) agree with him and Bill Cosby 100%, and wish more Black people would stand up and call people out. Maybe then the population they're speaking to will wise up, feel embarassed and make a change. I shake my head every single day at "my people." That ghetto mentality has got to go.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you need to stop worrying about "your race", and worry about bettering life for yourself and your family.
The statistics are what they are. At least Obama is willing to call that stuff out and deal with it, instead of pander to you, like Sharpton and Jesse-Complete bafoon jackasses.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTING OBAMA ARE SELLING THEMSELVES INTO A NEW KIND OF SOCIAL BONDAGE.

BLACKS SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA.

OBAMA DOES NOT CARE ONE DAMN THING ABOUT THE ISSUES OF BLACK AMERICA, SO DON"T THINK YOUR NEXT FAMILY REUNIUON WILL BE HELD ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN.

BLACK AMERICA WAKE UP AND BE ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS NOT OBAMA'S BUSINESS.

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

LOL! Because no other race needs to hear it like we do! The truth hurts, and I am glad someone isn't so worried about being PC, that he isn't willing to give a good ass-kicking where it is most needed!

We have so much to learn from men like Obama- put your pride aside and LISTEN!

Posted by: Mike | July 10, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama IS AMERICA--

Half white, Half Black, related to several US presidents, including VP,Dick Cheney!!

Nobody is perfect, but I will be so proud to have this intelligent, wonderful man representing our country on the world stage. He could hold his own and then some with ANYONE you put in front of him, because he is a passionate and engaged citizen of this world.

Thanks for letting me rant--

Kate

Posted by: kdll | July 10, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

MIKE SAID: "don't shoot the messenger..."

Mike, the messenger is shooting you! Obama will not say these about any other race or ethnic group. He said these things to separate himself from you. If you were a real savvy guy you would see how he expolited you and sold you out for votes fro others who like to hear that blacks just won't do right. This is what;s called political strategy. Obama praises other races, He even told the Jews stories of how his Granpa or uncle (whatever the lie was) helped to free them from Nazi prison camps etc. Obama went to IOWA and thanked them for being at the primary finish line first. He didn't thank the people of Chicago's southside for believing in him or Rev. Wright who gave him a place in the church and a chance to buddy-up with the movers and shakers in Chicago. So you tell me who is shooting whom. WHO GOT SHOT???

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Its amazing how the media can portray one race in such an amazingly ignorant light that causes people to believe everything they hear or read about in the news and on television. People, blacks are what... 20% of the population? If you really think we commit all the crimes, use all the drugs, have all the children born out of wedlock.. you're insane! Please educate yourselves before posting ridiculous comments... and for the zillionth time.. Please stop categorizing all black people! We don't categorize you. Imaging being looked upon as "white trailer trash" (excuse the stereotypical expression) everytime someone sees you... regardless of your upbringing, career, marital or familial (kids) status. That would suck right? So stop doing it to us. Unfortunately, when we do have good upbringings and do things the "right" or "American" way, we're called "elitists" or people say we're "talking white". Its a Catch-22. We can't win for losing.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone noticed that the two groups of people who occupy the lowest rungs of American society are the two groups who did not willfully emigrate to America.

Native Americans have seen their proud civilization decimated and their lands seized, and as a people they are mired in alcoholism, drugs, violence, gambling and broken families.

Blacks were brought here forced to work for 400 years and then suffered nearly a century of official second-class citizenship, enshrined in the Constitution as 3/5s of a man in the land where all men are created equal. And now as we have men and women who were born during segregation, still living and their children and grandchildren mired in alcoholism, drugs, violence, gambling and broken families.

Maybe culturally what is success and normal for those who CHOSE to leave everything they knew to come to this country, self-selected themselves to do what would be necessary to be successful in America.

Maybe those who fill our jails or our welfare rolls or corners are those who would have never CHOSE to come to America, and thus they are simply rebelling against their lack of self-determination by accepting the most nihilistic, anti-social, and self-destructive behavior as a way of life.

Maybe persuasion, love and understanding is what is necessary to break the cycle of parent-less young people making bad decisions which limit their opportunities by the time they are old enough to realize what is truly important, is a better solution than stricter sentences and tough love in the form of speeches about responsibility and disciple.

Posted by: RCD | July 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that when you mention the truth about a certain individually or race they get offended,maybe the truth hurts.

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Maybe there is no truth to it at all and is based on the same ole perpetuated myths and stereotypes that people do cling to like say.....guns and religion. Like that truth supposedly hurt so many people but yet America itself was founded on guns, religion and violence.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why Perry Bacon Jr wrote this article? Once again a reporter/jourtnalist continue to recycle old news rather than discoverery.

This is not newsworthy! Perhaps it's a slow newsday!

"Everybody should be hard absentee fathers - whether they are black or white!"


Posted by: DD | July 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Can I just say that I don't understand what all the criticism is about after that family interview of the Obamas-??

That interview actually sealed my vote for Obama. He is the most gracious, confident man to let his kids just chit chat like that, and it occured to me that we would never see that kind of unrehearsed candor with a typical white Republican family...(like mine, btw)-LOL

GO Obama!! We so badly need your brand of openness and honesty in this country right now...we need the TRUTH, and I strongly feel you are the man for the job, more than I ever did!!

Posted by: Carol | July 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTING OBAMA ARE SELLING THEMSELVES INTO A NEW KIND OF SOCIAL BONDAGE.

BLACKS SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA.

OBAMA DOES NOT CARE ONE DAMN THING ABOUT THE ISSUES OF BLACK AMERICA, SO DON"T THINK YOUR NEXT FAMILY REUNIUON WILL BE HELD ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN.

BLACK AMERICA WAKE UP AND BE ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS NOT OBAMA'S BUSINESS.

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes, sometimes the truth is hard to hear, but as a black man that also grew up without a father, we can't deny it is a HUGE problem in our community.

STAND UP for your kids out there, and DON'T shoot the messenger!!

Posted by: Mike | July 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a KKK wnnabe. He is a schemer and liar. He feels that blacks got his back no matter how he treats them in the media. All races have single parent families, teenage pregnancy...look at the 16 white girls who planned their pregnancies and some got pregnant by a homeless man. Obama won't touch that when he speaks to other than black audiences. He treats the rest of the voting public with enormous respect and dignity. It is said that Elvis Presley who once was asked if he had black blood responded, "ALL ABLACK MAN CAN DO FOR ME IS SHINE MY SHOES!". Wel, Obama is the "NEW ELVIS". HE IS THE KING!!!!

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad probably thinks that slavery is a myth. And Obama is going to talk to the guy without preconditions.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Based on what I read here white people don't REALLY care about their fellow black Americans.

We are not one. Perhaps we will never be one - no matter how many people vote for Obama. So let's just drop the bull.

No matter how many achievements made by blacks we do not have equal citizenship as Americans and we are still viewed as inferior.

So to everyone here who sees black's problems as "their problem." don't ever say "let's come together" or "why can't we just be Americans?" again. Look yourself in the mirror bc you're part of the problem. Its impossible to come together when you want to relegate ppl to second class status.

Do we want to be one America or not? If the answer is yes then stop point fingers and start doing something to help OUR people!

Posted by: sick of the bull | July 10, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

It is not inconceivable that Rev Jackon did this to elevate his son's political career. When Rev Wright attacked Obama, Obama got a big boost in the polls. The same thing will probably happen, but this time the voters are more knowledgeable about Obama and won't get fooled again.

Posted by: Beck | July 10, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Rev Jackson's derogatory comments about Obama is another calculated move by people in the black community to provide a boost for Obama. They're helping him win with sympathy white votes. This is a sick and cunning manipulation of the voting public that black leaders are resorting to.

Posted by: Beck | July 10, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Jesse Jackson should say what he means and be able to stand by it. He can appoligize for the language but that is all. Barack Obama has offended just about everyone with his arrogance and air. Yesterday something more important than the Jesse Jackson statement happened, Obama voted for the FISA bill. Bob Herbert of The New York Times also criticized Obama for his behavior toward African-Americans in order to get the white vote and said that Obama should not take the Black vote for granted. Obama is successful in spliting everyone. Father and son, Democrats, African-Americans and women etc. The Unity motto is a joke. I don't think Obama or his followers take those are offended or wary seriously. I for one will never vote for Obama nor do I pretend that because I'm a Democrat that I would ever consider voting for him. I'm not the only one. Jesse I hope will also rethink his support for Obama and vote differently in November. The Mc Cain is worse arguement loses it's punch the more often its said. I'm going Nader but I no longer fear a further continuation of a Republican presidency. The Presumptive Nominee is a worse choice.

Posted by: Lynn E | July 10, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

No Obama did not go over the line. I've heard these statements since I was a kid. How can we go from risking our lives to learn how to read to not doing EVERYTHING we can to push our children to do their best in school. Yes, environment and economics does play a factor, but the WILL of black folks (at least in the past) is unmatched. LIFE or Learning and we choose learning. Poverty and a deck stacked against you to the moon did not stop the millions of ancestors from learning and being the best they can be. When bettering your life could mean your life (black folks weren't supposed to be or have anything and to do the opposite invited the klan)we did it anyway.

Yes, it is a harsh message that is taken out of context but black folks know the truth. Children (of all races) are not being pushed like they were even 20 years ago. Behavior that gen X and below would have NEVER been allowed to get away with, is explained away a hundred different ways.

Kids - Sit down, shut up, listen to the teacher, keep your hands to yourself, hold each other up, encourage each other to do the BEST. Parents GET IN THE FACE and STAY IN THE FACE of school administrators, principals and teachers and DON'T leave until their job is being done to the best of their abilities.

Parents do your part and make sure a book is opened every night.

How we can lose ground when there is more opportunity is amazing.

Posted by: Sister Girl Here | July 10, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse


I haven't been posting very much the past two weeks. What are Obama's stances on the issues this week?

Posted by: Chief | July 10, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama has the blacks sewn up. Now he can go back to being white. He couldn't be any more racist as a white than he has been as a black.
I'll say this for him, he is one slick racist dude.

Posted by: Chief | July 10, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes, slavery, is a terrible and evil thing, but it has been over for well over 100 years in this country. GET OVER IT!

Posted by: D. Rodriguez | July 10, 2008 2:37 PM

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Senor Rodriguez, Slavery has been over for well over a hundred and some odd years, but the reprecussions and the ripple effect from slavery of our has long been evident and it's still evident today.

Matter of fact, since you like playing the slavery is over card, do I need to call INS on you to make sure you ain't ducking the FEDS?

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | July 10, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Hmm...it's now 4:55 p.m. and no posts have been published since 10:10 a.m.!!
Cutbacks at WaPo??

Why bother to post here if it takes all day to publish comments?

Posted by: zazzle | July 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Karma payback for Jesse --

>>>>Guess if your son goes out and accuses President Bill Clinton of being a racist when you knew it was nonsense and said as much, albeit ever so quietly, maybe next time you'll slap your rude kid upside the head and tell him to stop lying - and stand up for your old friend Bill with a little more gusto.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/10/insults-and-karma-or-here%e2%80%99s-my-foot-can-my-mouth-be-far-behind

Posted by: Josey | July 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to lose and lose big in November. You supporters are gonna feel like you ate a diarrhea hot lunch the day after.

Let me illustrate. Imagine taking a boat tour in the Chicago river and going under one of those steel grate bridges. Next, imagine looking up at all the pretty cars. Then with your mouth open and that dazed messiah look on your face, a tour bus empties the latrine all over your faces.


ROTFLMAO

Posted by: El Rico | July 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

wrote "A white person who finally gets it."

Thanks, 2pacolypse, I'd like to think of myself that way. I agree with you on those who make it and never do anything for the community they came from. However, if the black community seemed more proud of those "sell-out" black folks who they ridicule, maybe they would be more willing to give something back. Let me revise, everyone should be proud of anyone who can overcome hardships and make a success of themselves. That is nothing but admirable, something the black community should know better than anyone. My advice, be nothing but proud of those who do good and contribute to the community and vocally ashamed of those who harm the community and the black reputation. Not to make a blanket statement, but some glorify a "gangsta" to a status above someone who does good for the community. Again, probably none of my business, but I hate to see people having to choose between being successful and being excluded, shouldn't have to choose.

Posted by: ATLCT | July 10, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Yes, slavery, is a terrible and evil thing, but it has been over for well over 100 years in this country. GET OVER IT!

Posted by: D. Rodriguez | July 10, 2008 2:37 PM
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First, no one is talking about slavery and second, where is your green card senor Rodriguez?


Posted by: | July 10, 2008 3:45 PM

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Cracked me up:-)

Yeah, show me your document, amigo!

ICE Agent.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that when you mention the truth about a certain individually or race they get offended,maybe the truth hurts.

Posted by: Dan | July 10, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

zazzle, you're as much a Democrat as Obama is a Swede.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Since when can one "go too far" in stating the truth? Yes, there are other truths too, but so what? Would you criticize someone for condemning people who drive over 100 miles per hour on public roads just because there are some people out there who are also speeding but aren't going quite that fast? Yes, there are some irresponsible white fathers. Failing to also criticize them does not make Obama's criticism of irresponsible black fathers "go too far." The white society is not as overburdened by this "father" problem as the black society is, regardless of the fact that the problem exists to some extent in both communities.

Posted by: gasmonkey | July 10, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama's race-baiting during the primary guaranteed this Dem family would never vote for him.

Obama/Wright08

Dems for McCain!

Posted by: zazzle | July 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Sandy5274, who do you think you're fooling?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

How come most (99%) of my interaction with black males is when I pass a homeless man on the way home? (The 1% being immigrant Africans working at the sandwich shop)

And 100% of my interaction with black females is while they work their jobs?

Posted by: wondering | July 10, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes indeed Messiah Barack Hussein Obama just loves to arrogantly lord it over his own black people so he can prove he is so
far better then them and show "Whitey" that
he is half white,now that black people are
of no further use to this arrogant,smirking
phony,petty tyrant little tin god,marxist
socialist democrat dictator Obama,the big
time Chicago dirty gutter politics,thug and
looks like Obama threw his own black folks
under the bus already. The black people
need to demand the Democrats Dump Obama!
No To Barack Hussein Obama in 2008.

Posted by: Sandy5274 | July 10, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes, slavery, is a terrible and evil thing, but it has been over for well over 100 years in this country. GET OVER IT!

Posted by: D. Rodriguez | July 10, 2008 2:37 PM
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First, no one is talking about slavery and second, where is your green card senor Rodriguez?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Jesse Jackson thought his mic was off when he made that statement shows who he really is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If we don't take responsibility for our own families, why should we expect someone else to do it. Obama and Bill Cosby are correct in their statements to Black America.

Posted by: Pat Galloway | July 10, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe I would say this, but I agree with Obama that it is a problem that blacks who are "successful" are mocked as being too "white". I have noticed more and more over the years that those who wish to be successful, no matter what color, realize they must act accordingly to be successful in business. I am white and from the south, and I have had to adapt my behavior (even my accent) to the corporate culture while I am at work. If I were to come in to my job speaking and acting as I would with my friends or family, I probably would not succeed. There is a certain way that you must present yourself when you have clients that can take their business elsewhere. Those who realize that will be successful in business, and many blacks are very successful, especially in sales. The problem is not that other blacks cannot present themselves properly, it is that they are ridiculed or excluded from the black culture for being too "white". They should be seen as ambitious or driven, but it is a problem within the black community that many within it demean other blacks who have done things the right way. Maybe it is none of my business, but I wouldn't scream "racist" if you don't get a job that you interviewed for speaking in ebonics. Speak and act however you want on your own time, as I do, but if you want to succeed in business, you do have to sell your soul, so to speak. It sucks, but thats the price of success.

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A white person who finally gets it. I couldn't have said it better myself. Actually, I could have since I live it everyday but it's nice someone outside of my race can see the internal struggles blacks have to go through to be sucessful and rise above humble beginnings only be mocked and called sell outs or uncle toms or worse forgetting where you coming from eventhough that's something no one from modest beginnings can ever forget.

I only criticize those blacks who have made it out, but they refuse to comeback and help out their impoverished communities where the are from. You know the Pro ballers, Politicians, Movie Stars, etc who refuse to even acknowledge those same hoods and don't even donate time, effort or money are the one's I loathe.

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | July 10, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Is Obama to hard on Blacks?" I, an african anerican woman wish Blacks were harder on themselves. Dyson claims that Chris Rock's humor works because he's just as tough on whites as he is on blacks, I say baloney. Why should I have to be critical of another racial group in order to do the right thing? Do you honestly think Asians sit around wondering if whites are doing the right thing before they do the right thing?

Posted by: Liddy | July 10, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

You can only think he is talking down to Blacks if you're one of the Blacks he's talking about!
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Maybe that's why Jesse Lee is so angry. He is that deadbeat dad to a 9 year old lovechild the mother had to put on public blast because he refused to support the child. It was all good fo Jesse Lee when he was rocking the desk inside the Operation Push offices in a shroud of secrecy but I guess wasn't good enough for him to strap up. He's talking about you Jesse which is why you're pissed. Be a man and take care of your child hypocrite. Hell at least that racist pig Strom Thurman took care of his african american love child from day one. Imagine that, Strom Thurman a better daddy to his black child than Jesse is to his 9 year old black child. What a country!

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | July 10, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe I would say this, but I agree with Obama that it is a problem that blacks who are "successful" are mocked as being too "white". I have noticed more and more over the years that those who wish to be successful, no matter what color, realize they must act accordingly to be successful in business. I am white and from the south, and I have had to adapt my behavior (even my accent) to the corporate culture while I am at work. If I were to come in to my job speaking and acting as I would with my friends or family, I probably would not succeed. There is a certain way that you must present yourself when you have clients that can take their business elsewhere. Those who realize that will be successful in business, and many blacks are very successful, especially in sales. The problem is not that other blacks cannot present themselves properly, it is that they are ridiculed or excluded from the black culture for being too "white". They should be seen as ambitious or driven, but it is a problem within the black community that many within it demean other blacks who have done things the right way. Maybe it is none of my business, but I wouldn't scream "racist" if you don't get a job that you interviewed for speaking in ebonics. Speak and act however you want on your own time, as I do, but if you want to succeed in business, you do have to sell your soul, so to speak. It sucks, but thats the price of success.

Posted by: ATLCT | July 10, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Nice try "2pacolypse". Nicole Richie is black isn't she? Well, she is like Obama, her father (Lionel Richie) is black.

Posted by: Dianne72 | July 10, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Must've missed McCain's comment on Father's Day. Anyone remember?

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I've fallen and I can't get up. When can I take my midafternoon nap?

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | July 10, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Lauren:
"your statement and its wording suggest that the Muslim supporters that Obama has, even the respectable ones, are somehow something to be ashamed of "

No, I do not stereotype people. Here's a little story for you (BTW,I'm white):
I'm retired now, used to own an electronics store. Around 12 years ago this black man came in my store and approached me. He looked to be around 45 and he said "You don't recognize me do you?" I said "No, I don't believe I do". He then said "Well, I came into your store here when I was 14, drooling over the goodies, but had no money. You ask if I liked music, and I said I did. You went into the back room, got out a used amplifier, turntable, and speaker. You checked them out, got some wire, and showed me how to connect them up. I loved gospel music and played a lot of it, which sort of led me to church, and today I'm the pastor of a nice little church over in Philadelphis.

Why do I tell you this? Perhaps it will give you pause next time you call someone racist.

Posted by: Billw | July 10, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Diane72...you are a racist and your arguments about blacks being whiners and whatever else you seem to think they are are unintelligble. There are people of every color(including white) in this country who use improper English, have a bunch of babies, and are on welfare. It's ridiculous and foolish to say blacks think and act the way you are proclaiming.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't think he's hard enough!!

Us RESPONSIBLE BLACK FOLKS have been saying the same thing for YEARS!!

You can only think he is talking down to Blacks if you're one of the Blacks he's talking about!

Posted by: Angryman | July 10, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Must've missed McCain's comment on Father's Day. Anyone remember?

Posted by: Spectator | July 10, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Obama gave similar speeches calling for more personal responsibility to reduce crime and improve education in the black community in 2006, before he started running for president."

Obama might not have been "running for president" in the technical sense of having filed anything with the FEC, but he's been running at least since 2004, when he gave his convention address. Everything Obama has done since then has been part of a presidential campaign, including his entire absentee stint in the Senate.

Posted by: AK | July 10, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Even though Obama is not a descendant of slavery, he found a place where he was comfortable (the black community, church etc...). Being part of that community, he was able to see the good as well as the bad things about being black.
He was in a black church in June when he made the remarks that seem to be the catalyst for Rev. Jackson's criticisms. He felt that he was among family. His expectation of that family is high.
Being a black male father to 2 boys, I have high expectations for them. My concern is not what other kids are doing, it is what my children are doing. I know that they represent me and how I raised them will be scrutinized. It is a little different for Obama since he has more or less adopted the black community, but I'm sure that he knows that what goes on in the black community will be reflected on him. I believe that Obama's goal is not to be elitist or to talk down to the black community, but to be nurturing, showing tough love to a people who have so much potential, which is not being tapped due to internal as well as external factors.

Posted by: Emanhotep | July 10, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Billw,
Thank you, I was able to deduce that on my first reading of your garbage. I'll explain in simpler words for you...your statement and its wording suggest that the Muslim supporters that Obama has, even the respectable ones, are somehow something to be ashamed of, alongside Hamas, Al Qaeda, etc. My comment in calling you a racist was warranted but not necessary. I'll just say that I'm sure your black friends would love to read this conversation.

And D.Rodriguez, I won't waste my time responding to you...read my prior comments, know that they apply to you too, and then try reading a book.

Posted by: Lauren | July 10, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

No he's not too hard on blacks.

Posted by: shakespeare2 | July 10, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

When black people learn to "ask" a question rather than "ax" a question, then maybe America will take them seriously.

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Well if white people would stop injecting collagen into their lips to make the full like the black lips they mocked not long ago, or stop shooting steroids into their tushes to make them Serena Williams like or refuse to botox their faces to puppet like status to make them full like hmmn, blacks or stop listening to our music in which 65-70% of all hip hop that is bought is by whites trying to somehow infiltrate our lifestyles, or stop trying to talk like us and most importantly, stop trying to empathize with us like you know our struggles and our pains. It's a little sickening to see, really. We sure are not making ourselves bulemic or anorexic (sans Nicole Richie) trying to be you.

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | July 10, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Laureen:
"if a racist like you"

By the way, that is pure BS (also you define yourself with your name-calling). Some of my best friends are black - restaurant owner, nightclub owner, a pastor in Philadelphia, amoung others.

Posted by: Billw | July 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Kathy5,
In fact, indentured servant does mean something to me. I'll tell you a little about the glaring differences between it and slavery. First, it was a voluntary agreement. Second, it was for a set period of time...usually around seven years. Third, the system was not based merely on the individual's inferiority as a human being. Fourth, indentured servants would have their terms extended if they fell into the inevitable system of debt that was established for them; slaves were slaves for life...no questions asked. So, although your initial point was interesting, your logic was essentially flawed at the core.

Posted by: Lauren | July 10, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I read the first post here - and I need to let you know that the black community is NOT the first or only to ever been held as slaves - does the term "indentured servant" mean anythinig to you? It is how many people from Ireland and other countries came to this country in the first place. Of course, they were at some point to be freed and said to have paid off their debt, most never got out from under the "servant" role. Servant/slave - not much difference.
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Just the only group to have been removed from "their homeland" against their will and brought to America to be forced to work, build, and serve on this land we call America. Other minorities migrated here on their own free behalf due to unrest in their respective countries, to seek a better life and better opportunities, and to escape whatever ills in their countries to make them leave but most left freely to come to America. Blacks weren't given that choice during the colonization of this country. We are not the only group to have been removed from a homeland that was ours and forced to be somewhere against our will (Isreal has done a good job of bullying their way to that status as well, another story for another day) but we were the only minority group in America that was purposely removed from their homeland for the purpose of slavery, servitude and breeding. Don't get the history twisted.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

EJHill @10:26 is completely right. THis is a total set-up.

It has served its purpose. Half of you sheep-bloggers are critisizing Jackson, half praising Obama. It's got the Buzz that they intended.

The final act of this fiction will be in 2 days, after the hype, Obama will "forgive" Jackson in an indirect way. Showing that not only is he not a "jackson" but he is a "uniter" and "above the fray."

Posted by: pgr88 | July 10, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Lauren:
" My point was that everything you say is worthless because in your original comment you describe respectable Muslim associations as "anti-American " "crooks" "muslim" etc. simply for the fact that they're Muslim. I am not debating the aforementioned groups' support for Obama. I am debating the legitimacy of anything you have to say given your ignorance in describing them. "

You are twisting words around. Read again, where I stated:
He has friends and/or supporters who are radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans, crooks, muslims, and crackpots, such as:

This means each of the supporters and/or friends is described by ONE category of my statement. It does not mean for example Wright is a muslim.


Posted by: Billw | July 10, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I support Barack Obama, he is head and shoulders above the hapless McCain, but I'm dismayed with his current trend. Yesterday's vote was politically expedient and disrespectful, a mistake. Though it won't hurt his candidacy, it does show a tin ear. Obama also is stiff on the issue of race. His speech after the Rev. Wright issue, was good. The problem is, Obama knows he has to appease whites at the expense of blacks, or he will not be elected. If there's a year for a person of color to be elected president: this is it. The moron in the White House now: George W Bush has opened that door, and Obama must do whatever it takes to get there. He is qualified and will make a fine president.

Posted by: castillomark | July 10, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Stay in school, stop having babies, and learn to speak proper english.

Posted by: Dianne72 | July 10, 2008 1:51 PM
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Stop having babies?!! What's that about? Racial sterilization? Genocide? Purging? Purification? I don't see you telling Angelina Jolie to stop popping out her white babies. Go back to Nazi Germany and don't wear your white robe around my house.

Posted by: dcp | July 10, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

When black people learn to "ask" a question rather than "ax" a question, then maybe America will take them seriously.

Posted by: Dianne72 | July 10, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Hypothetical stituation...if a racist like you claims to be a supporter of John McCain, does that make him a racist? No. Hamas, Al Qaeda, etc. have voiced their support for Obama. That only means that even terrorist groups are smart enough to recognize that Bush has done an awful job as a president. Until Obama makes a public statement accepting or showing appreciation for their support, it doesn't speak to his character or candidacy at all. Unfortunately, that wasn't my original point of contigency at all. My point was that everything you say is worthless because in your original comment you describe respectable Muslim associations as "anti-American" "crooks" "muslim" etc. simply for the fact that they're Muslim. I am not debating the aforementioned groups' support for Obama. I am debating the legitimacy of anything you have to say given your ignorance in describing them.

Posted by: Lauren | July 10, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Jessie Jackson is an opportunist and a idiot. It is his job to let black folks know just how badly they are treated and to stand up when anyone says anything about their lifestyle, music etc. Rather than allowing anyone to speak to the truth about a majority of the black community Jessie would be without a job if he didn't have "down troden" black folk to support. Much of what Bill Cosby and Obama have said to and about the black community is truth. Think of how many from that community are now in prison, unemployed, children without fathers - the numbers do not lie, it is a problem in their communities.

I read the first post here - and I need to let you know that the black community is NOT the first or only to ever been held as slaves - does the term "indentured servant" mean anythinig to you? It is how many people from Ireland and other countries came to this country in the first place. Of course, they were at some point to be freed and said to have paid off their debt, most never got out from under the "servant" role. Servant/slave - not much difference.

Posted by: Kathy5 | July 10, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Obama is taking this on. Until the government and business communities step in to significantly right past wrongs - which they haven't fully - it's best for Black Americans to go the personal responsibility route. If things change, fine. However, until then, we have to look inward and stop the violence, absentee fathers, etc.

This does not mean to let government and business off the hook. It took the POLITICS/BUSINESS of slavery to create the situations (ugly past, etc.) so it stands reasonable that it will take the two to help address the state of our current situation (the effects).

Posted by: AnacostiaQUE | July 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Racism in America is omnipresent but that it can't be an excuse to stop striving. As Cosby said it many times, the antidote to racism is not rallies, protests, or pleas, but strong families and communities. Instead of focusing on some abstract notion of equality, blacks need to cleanse their culture, embrace personal responsibility, self-reliance and reclaim the traditions that fortified them in the past. Obama is adding his voice to what many forward thinking blacks have said before. I don't see an issue with that.

Posted by: This is a non-issue ... | July 10, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jesse Jackson,
Harsh words for Obama, huh? Does his message hit a little too close to home? It seems that you are now one of the dead-beat dads of whom Obama speaks (remember you fathered a daughter with Karin Stafford, named Ashley). You haven't seen her in a while and you stopped paying child support (even Wikipedia documents this). You are a piece of garbage, but I am sure Whitey made you cheat on your wife, ignore Scripture, and renege on your obligations.

Posted by: Marcellus V. | July 10, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Giving someone tough love is not being too hard, it is being concerned and caring. Pushing people to strive for a better life is a good thing. Every group has its issues and Senator Obama was discussing issues within the black American community with black Americans. Lets give it a rest. Jessee over reacted and he knows it. Talking down? Give me a break. He was talking up!

Posted by: CitizenAJ | July 10, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

70% out of wedlock births. I would say that is a problem. Bad schools for sure do not help. No job training is not helpful. However, these are the same issues for the last fifty or sixty years.

Posted by: Howard | July 10, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Somebody has be "hard" on blacks. There is not one black leader out there with any guts. If there was, they would be railing on black people for being the source of their own misery with regards to missing black fathers in the family. At least Obama had the equipment (that the Rev. Jesse wanted to cut off) to call it like it is.

Posted by: Dave in DC | July 10, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

For the record, in this country, people of all races have been mentally and physically enslaved- including whites. Have you ever heard of indentured servants. Look it up if you haven't.

Yes, slavery, is a terrible and evil thing, but it has been over for well over 100 years in this country. GET OVER IT!

Posted by: D. Rodriguez | July 10, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that the "critics", including Jesse Jackson, insist on defining Obama by his being a black than as a person under serious consideration for serving as the next President of all Americans, black, white, and so on? It seems to me the blinders are more on their eyes than Obama's.

Posted by: Clogged Cleats | July 10, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get it...white people can speak truth to their community and it's called uplifting the community; when black people speak truth to their community it's called talking down on the community. I am a black woman who was married when I had my two children--separated and then reunited with their father. Throughout their life they've had a father figure involved even when we were separated. My son is a father now and is unmarried, but he's involved in his son's life financially (not through state demanded child support), mentally, and physically. Obama is not speaking of all unwed fathers, he speaking of those who are not being responsible for the children that they brought into this world. Mistakes happen and children are sometimes born out of those mistakes--that's not a black thing or a white thing, it just is; what he's speaking about is how we as black people manage the consequences of our mistakes. If you are man enough to bring a child into this world then you need to be man enough to take care of that child. And if you are not, you should be called on the carpet for your neglect. Should Obama address his comments to all people rather than to black people? Sure he should, but if he made the same comments in general without identifying a race, the assumption from both blacks and whites would be that he's talking about the black community. In fact, when Obama spoke about parents turning off the t.v. and giving their child a book, I don't recall him saying "black parents", I listened to the speech and what I heard him say was "parents" not "black parents." Also, when I listened to the speech I took from it what I needed not what I thought other people needed to hear. My point is if you're not a deadbeat dad or an irresponsible parent, he's not talking to you, black or white.

We keep talking about how parents need to take responsibility for their children, but when our leaders talk about it on a national stage to bring light to the issue, they're said to be talking down on us. So what's the answer, should Obama wisper about it to the person sitting next to him rather than speaking to the issue? Is that the answer? If so then shut up Obama and shut up Bill (Cosby), we'll just keep on talking about it to our neighbor who by the way is probably more like us than like the person we are speaking about.

Posted by: Beingsensible | July 10, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

wrote "Our country need change and only Obama will be able to do it!"

Yup, all we will have left is "change" after he gets done with us.

After we give half our paycheck to the government and the other half to fill up our cars, all we're gonna have left is "change".

"Change" we can believe in? I believe in it, I'll pass

Ooh, I got it, "Cash" we can believe in
Thats more like it, you can thank me for that one later Barack ;)

Posted by: ATLCT | July 10, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Republicans love Obama's speech at Father's day.
Down to earth republicans and democrats will vote for him!
God bless America!

Posted by: George | July 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"First off, who are you to call someone a no-name? "

They don't have the courtsey to provide a "name" to respond to.

"Your list is nonsense, far from credible, and holds witness to your ignorance."

No, to your absolute ignorance. Each supporter's statement has been made public.

Posted by: Billw | July 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

mom11,
I don't mean to say that there aren't other minority groups that have been persecuted or oppressed. However, in this country, African-Americans are the only group who have been both physically and mentally enslaved. This distinction does make for vast differences in the fate of the community's future.

Posted by: Lauren | July 10, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Jesse just wants some of the spotlight the media is swooning all over Obama. He saw what "god d***whiteAmerica" got Jeremiah, how much youtube coverage came from that bit of Cursetianity, and the DVD sales skyrocketing for TUCC, so his highly developed but lately unquenched lust for fame prompted him to do the same.

Posted by: Marvin Gardens | July 10, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

All of you need stop blaming others for your actions. Take responsibility of your actions people. That's all it is and there is nothing else. Stop the BLAME.

Posted by: DJ | July 10, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"What you mention above sounds like the experience of the Jews "

It has to do with the nature of the ...uh people.

Posted by: Billw | July 10, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Billw,
First off, who are you to call someone a no-name? Second off, your so-called list of Obama supporters is completely racist and worthless. To say that "He has friends and/or supporters who are radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans, crooks, muslims, and crackpots, such as..." and then continue to list the NAACP and the Muslim-American society as part of those descriptions is completely ignornant. Your list is nonsense, far from credible, and holds witness to your ignorance.

Posted by: Lauren | July 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"Dianne72, I think it would be interesting to run a little experiment. Let's come to your country, snatch you from your history, culture, and technology, physically and mentally enslave you for two or three hundred years, cut you off from your roots, finally give you "freedom" only to deny you the rights given animals, persecute you for give or take a hundred years for trying to get ahead, deny your children proper education, burn crosses in your front lawn, get away with murdering members of your family for "getting out of line", incarcerate your children for crimes whites get away with, create a penal code that is designed to put you in jail...and all the while have people like you telling you that wanting a little help is being entitled.

How do you think you would do?"

What you mention above sounds like the experience of the Jews -- and you don't see them crying for entitlements. That said, Obama glorifies his absentee father and throws his white family "under the bus" and then denigrates absentee fathers. Quite a liar and a hypocrite!


Posted by: mom11 | July 10, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I choose to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. The second part of his statement in response to Jesse Jackson's apology yesterday acknowledged the need for jobs, etc. to facillitate responsiblity amongst black men. That will suffice as a back handed acknowledgement that we are not the source of all the ills of the world.

It cannot be stated often enough. The current adminstration has done a terrible job. The country is worse off for George W. Bush having been President. There is no question in my mind that John McCain will continue to move America in the wrong direction. Barack Obama is the change we need to move in the right direction.

Posted by: Geoge | July 10, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse


To no-name who quoted my list of Obama supporters:

Be that as it may, had Obama's Wright baggage been known at the outset, Clinton would have won. After the first 11 primaries (the Wright issue hit the news on March 13) it was nip and tuck with the rest of the primaries.

Posted by: Billw | July 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

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I don't understand why black people have this sense of entitlement. They should get out and work like the rest of us. Stay in school, stop having babies, and learn to speak proper english.

Posted by: Dianne72 | July 10, 2008 1:51 PM
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Dianne72, I think it would be interesting to run a little experiment. Let's come to your country, snatch you from your history, culture, and technology, physically and mentally enslave you for two or three hundred years, cut you off from your roots, finally give you "freedom" only to deny you the rights given animals, persecute you for give or take a hundred years for trying to get ahead, deny your children proper education, burn crosses in your front lawn, get away with murdering members of your family for "getting out of line", incarcerate your children for crimes whites get away with, create a penal code that is designed to put you in jail...and all the while have people like you telling you that wanting a little help is being entitled.

How do you think you would do?

Posted by: Lauren | July 10, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

He has friends and/or supporters who are radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans, crooks, muslims, and crackpots, such as:

The Black Panthers
NAACP
Farrakhan
Hamas
Castro
Ortega
Chavez
Al Qaeda
Jane Fonda
Jesse Jackson
Michael Moore
Al Sharpton
Wright
Rezko
Ayers
Pfleger
Weathers
Muslim-American Society

He is not the man people knew and voted for during the first 11 primaries. The delegates need to reconsider in Denver.
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Who should they consider, HRC? The friends listed here are the same friends Hillary and Bill have associated with or taken money from. Matter of fact Bill Clinton himself pardoned two people who were in the group Ayers was in during his last term in office thanks to the 100,000 Hugh Rodham (yes Billary's Brother) was getting paid for each person he was able to convice the Clintons to pardon. Is that the choice you requesting. Or the Colombian and terrorist organizations that have been generously donating to the Clinton Foundation since he left office. Maybe if you recommend HRC, we'll take good care to duck sniper fire at Invesco Field. Stop being such a MARK. Politicians flip flop on issues all the time. I haven't seen one who hasn't. Hell McShame is King Flip Flop himself. Mr. Straight Talk/Jive Talk Express

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

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"The sub-Saharan custom of a man fathering many children with different women survived slavery and continues today. The phenomenon isn't just recklessness; it's an ingrained cultural expression. Then, the question becomes to which wife or children is the father to return? While Reverend Jackson's nutsy comment about Obama may have been crude, surely it reflects a deeper understanding of the prevalence of sub-Saharan practices in the United States and, indeed, elsewhere. Thus, candidate Obama may be considered to be preaching European values as if somehow they were applicable to the African-American reality. I'm looking forward to more statements by Rev. Jackson."
Posted by: Philemon Andersen | July 10, 2008 1:23 PM

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As much as a person with racial stereotypes and judgements like "Philemon Andersen" would like to believe that the occurence of fatherless children in the black community is a result of "sub-Saharan customs", such findings would only reveal his/her true feelings on race. Yes, there are black absentee fathers, just as there are white, Asian, Native American, Hispanic, etc. To say that this is a result of a culture that the majority of the community hasn't had ties to in hundreds of year is a poorly-informed stretch of an ignorant imagination.

Posted by: Lauren | July 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The sad reality is that most of the crimes and drug use in this country are committed by blacks. Until they learn responsibility and stop have children out of wedlock, they will remain at the bottom of the economic ladder. I am always amazed at how much harder other minority groups work to get ahead in this country.
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The sad reality is that most white people like yourself K Street Lawyer listen to Tush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs, and other morons like that for your information when truly the real facts if you were so smart you could google in a second. This country's most violent crimes are commited by whites. When Bill Clinton revised welfare reform when he took office, he conveinently made it seem like Black people were the only ones on welfare when in fact 65% of the people who applied for welfare, WERE WHITE. Drug use is used more by whites than blacks but blacks get arrested and jailed for the same crimes whites commit at an alarmingly larger rate. So to further end this discussion with you if white people didn't sit in their lofty offices sippin on their latte's always pacifying and lecturing us on our ills and still being in denial about the role slavery and the fight for civil rights has played in part to why our urban communities still suffer the ills it does, then you wouldn't be scoffed at or treated with such animosity are you are.

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | July 10, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse


RE OBAMA
"his candidacy is shown more and more to be based on fraud."

Obama is an absolute fraud. His word means nothing. The man is deceitful and deceptive, has no character, and cannot be trusted. He has changed positions and/or lied on the following:

FISA
Campaign finance
The Iraq war
Reverend Wright
Men he knew like Rezko, Ayers, Pfleger, and Weathers
Date of his conception
Opposition to handguns
Israel and Jerusalem
Payroll taxes
Capital gains taxes
Abortion
Wearing a lapel flag Pin

ALSO:

He has friends and/or supporters who are radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans, crooks, muslims, and crackpots, such as:

The Black Panthers
NAACP
Farrakhan
Hamas
Castro
Ortega
Chavez
Al Qaeda
Jane Fonda
Jesse Jackson
Michael Moore
Al Sharpton
Wright
Rezko
Ayers
Pfleger
Weathers
Muslim-American Society

He is not the man people knew and voted for during the first 11 primaries. The delegates need to reconsider in Denver.

Posted by: Billw | July 10, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Is what Obama is saying false? No it isn't. There indeed are too many deadbeat dads out there (including one Jesse Jackson himself with his unclaimed lovechild) who think it's cool to just drop seeds and brag about having them without actually having to take care of them. This problem has existed even in the 60's and 70's. It's just more prevalent now because you now have teenagers having these babies at record numbers without the fathers around who are too young to take care of them anyway. It's the permiscuous behavior from day one that needs to be addressed. You have babies having babies leaving them with the grandparents to have to re-raise kids again. Or worse, babies having babies in which their grandparents are barely in their 40's and were barely ready to be parents themselves. Part of the cycle that permeates itself is that these single mothers have to spend so much time working or living off the system just to even survive day to day then how much time do you think they have to devote to the day ins and day outs of what their children are doing? The deadbeats don't spend time with the children, don't financially support the children because either they don't want to, can't afford to and having Child Support Enforcement lock them up is only gonna take money away from the mothers who need it to raise their kids, so now what? It's a complicated system that needs overhauling completely instead of being talked at repeatedly or talked down to. This has more to do with our morals and fundamentals as a nation which has gone to the dogs. We are in an economic crisis where people have to work 10 times as hard just to break even and that leaves little time to be the parents we need to be so the streets, television, and now the internet and text messaging have become our kids teachers. Stop blaming the community and blame economics and the govt's failure to provide a stable economy along with jobs that ALL PEOPLE can thrive and prosper in.

Posted by: 2pacolypse Now | July 10, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Jessie Jackson's comments, as were Rev. Wright's actions in the aftermath of the controversy, were engineered to better position Obama in the minds of white voters.

It was clear that Jackson wanted to be overhead (on FauXX News of all places). It was certainly not by coincidence that he mentioned such remarks while waiting to go on air. He either wanted to send a message to Barrack in a rather public manner or wanted to create a wedge issue between himself and Obama. Rev. Wright did the same thing as he turned up the volume of his antics so that Obama could have an open opportunity to rebuke him.

Remember these are two guys who have dreamed of this day for decades.

Very smart and savvy politics, I might add.

Posted by: dhardway | July 10, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why black people have this sense of entitlement. They should get out and work like the rest of us. Stay in school, stop having babies, and learn to speak proper english.

Posted by: Dianne72 | July 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Here's another amazingly ignorant statement from a K Street Lawyer - of all things!

Here's a clue Mr. Lobbiest... WHITES give the USA its greatest number of drug addicts, criminals, and children out of wedlock! BY A LANDSLIDE MARGIN!

DUH!

Turn off your Oxyconton addicted, drug dealing, hypocrite hero Rush Limbaugh and check back into some FACTS.

Oh yeah I forgot - "facts have a well knows liberal bias"

Check out Mr. Lobbiest Neo-Con's comments below and LAUGH AT HIM. He's earned it:
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The sad reality is that most of the crimes and drug use in this country are committed by blacks. Until they learn responsibility and stop have children out of wedlock, they will remain at the bottom of the economic ladder. I am always amazed at how much harder other minority groups work to get ahead in this country.

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Posted by: JBE | July 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Jesse Jackson's comments about cutting off Barack's n&ts were in reference to his support of faith-based initiatives. Why are people infusing this separate conversation about absentee fathers here? Unless I missed the rest of his quote? Jesse specifically said "faith-based". Obama didn't start pimping faith-based initiatives until after his father's day speech. I think this is another media trick. People are getting side-tracked.

Posted by: dcp | July 10, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Also can someone tell Obama to please lay off of the arse-kissing, pandering tactics of telling everyone about your distant cousins Brad Pitt and Dick Cheney? We get it: your half white...but please, it is getting rather corny and it is becoming way too obvious what you intent is.

If you must take the road to the White House at least take in "standing up" instead of on your "knees".

Posted by: dhardway | July 10, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"The sad reality is that most of the crimes and drug use in this country are committed by blacks. Until they learn responsibility and stop have children out of wedlock, they will remain at the bottom of the economic ladder. I am always amazed at how much harder other minority groups work to get ahead in this country."

some truth. more truth, Blacks are also the most policed and criminalized. the same crimes or worse are committed by white people and other races. due to Rockefeller, the same crime, drug trafficing, is disproportionately punished in Black communities. crack cocaine vs. powder cocaine, what's the difference? none. why difference in punishment? Black vs. white.

i've seen more white people using illegal substances and abusing prescription substances than Black people. maybe, the police aren't looking in every corner, just Black corners.

AND lower income corners. it helps the criminal justice system also that many Blacks do not have means to fight charges, which is definitely a little different for the kids i've seen using drugs (it sucks when they assign teams for projects in school). it helps the numbers on the "Fight on Crime."

Posted by: honey | July 10, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Obama is too hard on blacks who are not of an elite status. The problem is that the people Obama is speaking to are not listening. Many of them are either in prison, do not have jobs and are standing on the street corners, or perhaps on drugs and high school dropouts. They do not sit down and watch the evening news or read the newspapers. Neither do they use the internet.

Instead of Obama trying to talking against these men and dead beat dads, he needs to introduce programs that will help black men in this category. Many, many blacks, who never voted, have voted in the primary. Look at South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi. These states shockingly put him ahead.

That is what Obama needs to think about before he speaks. He is copying again after Cosby and the Rev. Wright. He is not reaching those who need his help. You can catch more bees with honey than you can with vinegar! He needs to help and not hurt.

Posted by: anotherperspective1 | July 10, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Accountability and being responsible of your actions transcends about race. The sad thing is that Jacksons and Michael Dyson's of the world accuse anyone that advocates for self-reliance and Accountability as "people blaming the victims". On the other hand, racists like foxnews crew point to Obama and/or Cosby speeches to cleanse their racist assertion.

Posted by: The Truth | July 10, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

This article is a backdoor attempt to falsely portray Obama as having engaged in his own "Sister Souljah" moments in relation to his black constituency to further the Washington Posts agenda of sanitizing Obama for the general public. In fact, the Obama's nomination presents deep problems for the Democratic Party, as his candidacy is shown more and more to be based on a fraud.

This column is further a diversion tactic and an attempt to minimize the very real problems with Barack Obama's candidacy and is an insult to the intelligence of the American electorate. This kind of talk about Obama's supposed speaking "truth to power" to his constituency is nonsense and a complete smokescreen for what is wrong with Obama. The problem is that Obama is a liar. His slick handlers and apologists may try to make this sort of con act look like he makes strong statements to his supporters a la Bill Clinton's "Sister Souljah Moment", but the American people are too smart for that. Obama has, in fact, made many promises and broken them, and no amount of fake tough talk will counteract this hard truth. The fact that he, his campaign, the Democratic Party that has shamefully abandoned the legitimate centrist in their midst, and the various proxies for Obama in the media attempt to distract the electorate from the obvious, merely shows further what kind of politician Obama is: the usual kind. The kind he promised NOT to be. In terms of hard qualifications, Obama is the least qualified candidate for the job of President in anyone's memory. What overcame this handicap for him was his promise to be an agent of change. By breaking promises and principled stances on campaign finance, on his vow to filibuster FISA, on the death penalty, on abortion, on Iraq, he has invalidated his candidacy by being an unprincipled flip-flopping promise-breaker. We have come to expect this from our politicians, but Obama's whole candidacy rested on the notion that he would be different. The fact that he has revealed himself to be the "same old politics" means that his entire candidacy was built upon a monumental fraud. Attempts by his campaign and the media to downplay or divert attention will not detract one bit from the truth of it, and the American people will see him for what he is -- the "same old politics" that he assured us he was not. It is especially interesting to see how much his apologists scream about how his stance on Iraq has supposedly not changed. For all the bleating about how he always said he'd pay attention to the facts on the ground (which nobody ever expected him not to do), what is striking is how quickly the language of his stance has changed. Remember, he promised over and over to begin immediately and have all combat troopos out in 16 months. Whatever "refining" he has to do, if he does not stick to that, then he is just a liar, as he has shown himself to be on a host of issues, most recently FISA. No, the real problem for Obama, and why his proxies keep shouting about is illusory strengths in the media, is that the American electorate knows exactly what is meant when someone says they have to "refine" their position. It means they want to open the door to changing their position. This is called a flip-flop for anyone in doubt. And it is, once again, the same old politics. No, I'm afraid that all the work is now in Obama's court. He has to convince everyone that his candidacy wasn't a fraud. Too bad there's already too much evidence on the ground. It remains to be seen whether America is ready to believe yet another lie from the man who promised us "Change We Can Believe In" and now delivers "Change We Can Expect" ...in every way.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama: Truth to Power or Panderer?

Obama ginning it up with White Voters. I didn't see the elitist undertones but now they are revealing themselves.

He already stated that he is against reparations in any form (even free college tuition or student loan forgiveness). He lacks empathy toward the plight of black American males, given that he doesn't view himself as a black man but as a mixed-race person (of African and American descent).

He also states that the "heritage" of slavery is not his (but is the heritage of his daughters). His comments (criticism of)about the black community's problems would go over better had he equally addressed the persistence of racism that impact black males in this country.

He wants everyone to be a "super-negro" like himself -- go to ivory league schools and ignore the reality that the deck is stacked against you. If you are unable to be a perfect "straight-A" student then you have no reason to complain that you aren't being treated fairly.

I know as I have two advanced degrees but still haven't been able to land a management-level job (of course it is all my fault and has nothing to do with racism).


No to any form of reparations? WTF, just because you were able to "beat the system", it seems now that you want to close the door behind you.

Stop pandering and go back to "Truth to Power"!

Posted by: dhardway | July 10, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Only a public school teacher could fashion the disgustingly rediculous argument posted below. This is how school teachers from the far left operate... they make up ASNY EXCUSE to coddle failure, like "Ebonics".

This fellow actually thinks that being a descendant of slavery makes a person different from another black person and absolves them from personal responsibility. This SCHOOL TEACHER actually think that a smart and educated black person isn't subject to racism because they are smart and made something of themselves... or weren't descendants of slaves!?!

Are you trying to say that "ghetto minded" people will always be "ghetto minded"? It sure reads like that.

Sorry to break the news to you Mr. Teacher - but we humans allllll put our pants on one leg at a time. Its up to the school girl to say NO! to unprotected sex if she is going to raise a successful family. It is up to the school boy to THINK and BE A MAN before mother nature makes him an unwed father. It is up to the individual to set goals and follow them... and if you, Mr. School teacher, can't lead the way for the students on goal setting and recognizing personal actions have consequenses that ruin or make successful lives - and thus lead them out of poverty - YOU'RE UNQUALIFIED TO TEACH!

Ok back to the teacher's lounge for you to gossip about how nothing can be fixed. We're gonna elect Obama and change America.

Read Mr. "Failure-is-inevitable" rediculous comment below:
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Barack Obama is not the descendant of slaves. While having no father, he had a grandfather and a highly educated mother, as well as a grandmother. He did not grow up in the urban ghetto or in the rural squalor that so many generations of African Americans have. He is half white. He is also brilliant and so was able to get scholarships to the finest schools in America. So his experience is very different from the descendants of slavery. He can understand intellectually but not viscerally because this has not been his experience. I don't think he is a fake; he is authentic in who he is, but he is not the African AMerican whose ancestors have endured slavery and Jim Crow and are still suffering from a biased criminal justice system, institutionalized racism and a public education system that fails to educate them. I was an inner city school teacher for 36 years so I know what I am talking about. You know, there are a lot of absent fathers out there -- latino, white, Native American and Asian. Why doesn't he give that speech to those groups as well? He needs to evolve his thinking on this issue. And people like Jesse, who did say something crude and unacceptable, albeit off mic, need to keep educating him on it. The Black community has embraced him. Will he embrace them and work to really enforce social justice in this country?

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Posted by: JBE | July 10, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

U.S. Senator Barack Obama is not hard on blacks or towards anyone. America ought to get used to our next U.S. President who hopefully will put our country in the right direction. U.S. Senator John McCain is following president George W. Bush's steps...why we want more of the Bush's bad stuff for another 4 years? Our country need changes and only Obama will be able to do it!

Posted by: Dr. Miguel | July 10, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"Obama disparges black men to court the righties."

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That is absolutely ridiculous. Our communities are in a state of crisis, and all you can think of is his strategy?

So what if that does happen to be the case -- which I personally do not view it in that way. As long as it gets results and brings about changes in our Black communities, then so what??!!

Posted by: luvmynaturalhair | July 10, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The sub-Saharan custom of a man fathering many children with different women survived slavery and continues today. The phenomenon isn't just recklessness; it's an ingrained cultural expression. Then, the question becomes to which wife or children is the father to return? While Reverend Jackson's nutsy comment about Obama may have been crude, surely it reflects a deeper understanding of the prevalence of sub-Saharan practices in the United States and, indeed, elsewhere. Thus, candidate Obama may be considered to be preaching European values as if somehow they were applicable to the African-American reality. I'm looking forward to more statements by Rev. Jackson.

Posted by: Philemon Andersen | July 10, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Onefreeman: Obama's father was not an African American. He was Kenyan. What I think you really meant to call him was "black," or "black American," but I suppose doing so would have made your racism even more obvious.

Posted by: David | July 10, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

In spite of the phenomenal support the Black community is showing Obama, I think that the Black community is being harder on him simply because he is black. They don't demand as much from White candidates. They're doing him a disservice in the same way as the Rev. Whatshisname from Trinity. The Black community is trying to tie a rope around Obama's ankle and declare ownership over him. This is only going to identify him more as a Black candidate, and not just a presidential candidate for the US. But it doesn't matter because I've been watching the national polls conducted by aol.com, and Barack is getting set up to be creamed in November. Oh, well.

Posted by: dcp | July 10, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Jackson is just ticked that folks like Obama and Cosby won't stick to the script that Jackson is selling, that it's all whitey's fault. To him, any concession of black pathology just gives the right the excuse not to listen to him. There's some truth to that, but in the end, it's just not a good enough reason to ignore the point that Obama and Cosby make. Jackson just doesn't like to hear that there's some dissent from his script.

Posted by: JoeT | July 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

These Jackson comments were all engineered to again move Obama's image to the center.

- The Clintons pointed out early on that Obama needs to avoid being another Jesse Jackson
- Who better to dis Obama then than Jackson?
- A coincidence that Jackson's son is one of Obama's top aides/advisors?
- funny how Jackson's biggest detractors at FOX somehow got a hold of this first.
- Obama will of course magnanamously forgive Jackson
- this fake crisis will brew for a few days
- the MSM will proclaim Obama a "uniter" and he will show is generosity to Jackson.

Posted by: pgr88 | July 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The sad reality is that most of the crimes and drug use in this country are committed by blacks. Until they learn responsibility and stop have children out of wedlock, they will remain at the bottom of the economic ladder. I am always amazed at how much harder other minority groups work to get ahead in this country.

Posted by: K Street Lawyer | July 10, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Since we want to categorize people by this false color line black/white, whites out number balcks in every category of negative behavior in the USA. Check the facts. Some talk fake numbers like per capita crap.

The reality is, many Americans families are destructive to their communities because Parents lack knowledge on how to be GOOD parents.

Barack, rightfully criticize African American Males because he is one and was neglected by one.


It's time for MEN to step up and be GOOD parents.

Posted by: onefreeman | July 10, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Jesse Jackson is an old lion taking a swipe at the new lion. Black people have stopped listening to Mr. Jackson long ago. It is the white media, who keeps putting him on t.v. as a spokes person. I wonder is Mr. Jackson an absent father to the last child he had outside of his marriage? I thought he was a minister. What a bad example he sets.

Mr. Dyson needs to come out of the ivory tower and live in a black low income neighborhood. I just moved from one. I could only remember one father at home. The rest of the homes were parented by single women. Like I told my son, whose father was absent, "look around, it is something wrong with this picture, look at all the women who head a household and work". I also told him, "If you claim Jesus as your savior, what can man do unto you?", "If you are held back, it is strictly on you and what choices you make, not the white man or your absent daddy, it is on you."

Posted by: The Lioness | July 10, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

GO OBAMA!

Thank goodness an African American LEADER has appeared on the scene!

Jackson, Sharpton, Maxine Waters, et al are ENABELERS OF FAILURE.

One of the most powerful things about the Obama Presidency is his ability to tell it like it is to the public. He's a self-made success. He's didn't grow up rich. He's worked on the streets of Chicago and knows what he's talking about.

The message isn't blaming the victim - its holding people responsible for their own behavior and pointing out the better choices that are abundantly available.

..Like being a responsible father and staying in school!

If you can't see that or accept it is a message that all need to hear... YOU need to check YOURSELF. For either you are one of those making bad choices and don't want to hear it, or you are part of the failed progressive, wing-nut left movement that will do anything to avoid hard choices and the realities of mother nature.

The coddling is OVER. Welcome to reality - we as Americans need to pull up our own socks and be responsible for our own behavior.

Posted by: JBE | July 10, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama is right, but its not just Black families, most of the things he mentions are common to poor families all across america. White people are pretty straight up and rightly judgemental of self destructive behavior in other white people. If they say the same things about people who act the same way who also happen to be black they are called racists.

I like the fact that Obama is being straightforward about this. No white politician would last a day saying the things Obama has said.

The point is however that what we really need is racially blind standards to help the poor and disenfranchised, since the problems they suffer are the same whether they are black or white, and for the most part the poor decisions that poor people of both races make are almost identical.

Posted by: DCDave | July 10, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Obama is particularly harsh on blacks. The question is why he only singles out black male for a lecure. He should justify that first. Is he doing this partly to please white females who did not vote for him?

Posted by: God Father | July 10, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama gets more than 90% of the black vote. Is there anything he can say to blacks that will make the blacks not vote for him? NO.
So, he goes around saying things that will make him look good the the white people, so he can pick-up the white vote. It really is elementary politics.

Posted by: Susan | July 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Obama is catching flack is because he is the only candidate who can speak to black people being the cause of their own problems. If McCain said that black men should take care of their families and encourage education he'd almost immediately be labeled as a racist. The messages of Martin and Malcolm said the exact same things that encouraged blacks to support each other in their own communities. Malcolm often said we can't have black people killing other black people. That doesn't mean they need to go kill other races it just means that they need to respect themselves first if they are to succeed. Black leaders like Jesse make me sick. And when did a Revrend with children out of wedlock become the moral authority on anything? I whole heartedly agree with Obama on his hard stance with black people. We as a community need to get some respect for ourselves, stop blaming others for every problem we face. Racism is alive and well but you can't sit back and let it stop you from succeeding.

Posted by: reese | July 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Michael Eric Dyson, an Obama backer and sociology professor at Georgetown University, argued "stereotypes about negligent black fathers persist, promoted most vehemently by Bill Cosby, who has embarked on a national crusade against the alleged misbehavior of poor black families. And yet such stereotypes may have little basis in reality."

So, is there any stereotypical truth to what Cosby and Obama said? Or, that some can neither handle the truth, don't want to change and can only offer lip service?

Posted by: Hootathought | July 10, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama can be tough on white people, too, as he should. He holds us all to a higher standard, just like JFK and RFK did.

Posted by: Patrick | July 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Less Complaining --

"Instead of aruging about how "black" Obama is (as if there's one acceptable way to be black), why don't we go register voters and make sure they turn out on Election Day?"

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I wholeheartedly agree with you. And, if it makes a difference, people ... I am a Black woman.


Posted by: luvmynaturalself | July 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

First of all, whatever Barack Obama says, if it leans left or right, black or white--he'll be criticized for it. The wingnuts absolutely HATE their own candidate so the only this left is to attack Obama on ANYTHING! As I predicted, now that his daughters have been in the news the right wing wackos are attacking them. McCain, who makes gaffs, gets facts wrong and can't talk straight about anything is given a free pass.

Posted by: Bill | July 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"This is Obama's attempt to have a "sister souljah' moment to win more white votes."

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I totally disagree. Senator Obama is telling it just like it is.

Stop being like a crab in a barrel. When one tries to crawl his way out and get to the top, there are claws coming from the crabs still in the basket trying to pull him back down.

If anything, this should be a rallying cry to say, "Look ... we have GOT to get ourselves straight to take care of our families" and start moving toward that goal. If one Black man and his family are helped by what Bill Cosby and Senator Obama have said, then God bless them.

Posted by: luvmynaturalhair | July 10, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama is guilty of stereotyping rather it be blacks, women ("feeling blue"), or other demographic groups ("bitter"). Although he is thin-skinned when people may criticize him "because that is not who he is," he has no understanding of how many people are offended when they are all thrown into the same stereotypical boat.

I see here that many others also subscribe to stereotyping, and it is useless to try and get them to understand such issues.

Posted by: Nickyle | July 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"Writing in Time magazine last month following Obama's speech on Father's Day rebuking absentee black fathers, Michael Eric Dyson, an Obama backer and sociology professor at Georgetown University, argued "stereotypes about negligent black fathers persist, promoted most vehemently by Bill Cosby, who has embarked on a national crusade against the alleged misbehavior of poor black families. And yet such stereotypes may have little basis in reality."

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Michael Eric Dyson needs to come down out of the ivory tower of Georgetown and see the reality in some of our poorer communities where the majority of families are absent a father, or even a father figure. Sociologist sit back and study the issue. The rest of us live it.

While there are many, many families where the father is NOT absent, there are far too many where he is. And that has a trickle down affect in our community. There is an unfair stereotype that Black men do not take care of their families, and that is not entirely true. It is unfair to those who do.

I totally agree with Senator Obama. For those who are appalled at how he's talking to Black people, stop being so wishy-washy. We need to be policing our own communities. Sociologists are talking loud, studying long and saying nothing that will bring about real change. A lot of us were raised in homes where we got spankings (not brutality) if our parents had to keep telling us to do or not to do something over and over again. We have been told over and over again what's wrong, what we need to do, but nothing is being done. Finally, a Black man comes along and gives our Black community a real verbal spanking and all of a sudden Black people are up in arms. If a white man had said it, we all would be crying racism. The Bible says, "a stranger's voice they will not follow."

So let it come from within our culture. It's time to pull out the whipping stick. We as Black people need to stop feeling betrayed when one of our own (and yes, he is one of our own) hollas out the back door and tells the neighbors our biznezz.

Posted by: luvmynaturalhair | July 10, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama is 100% correct. Too many Blacks don't try hard enough. As the father of a young African American man who graduated from college with an A average, I have some stories to tell about the negative treatment he received from other black boys throughout his formative years regarding his intellectual pursuits

Posted by: Curtis | July 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

This is Obama's attempt to have a "sister souljah' moment to win more white votes. Jackson Jr had his remarks prepared before Jesse made the comments!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

To the posters who assume that a black candidate is a sellout because whites vote for him: Are you so invested in your identity as "oppressed" that you can't handle a step forward? Racism isn't gone from white America. But millions of whites, myself included, support Obama because we think he's a good candidate. Your comments to the contrary say more about you than they ever could about me.

I'm happy that we have had Clinton and Obama this year. I always thought these "firsts" would be people like Colin Powell, Elizabeth Dole or JC Watts. Instead of aruging about how "black" Obama is (as if there's one acceptable way to be black), why don't we go register voters and make sure they turn out on Election Day?

Kevikev283: Thanks for the best post of the day.

Posted by: Less Complaining; More Organizing | July 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

This isn't about black or white. I've seen Obama use that line about putting down the remote control in front of upper-midwest, primarily white audiences.

I live in a small, rural, primarily white county where they are getting ready to build a twenty million dollar jail, the second new county jail in as many decades. Why? Because too many parents want all the warm & fuzzies from being a parent, but none of the responsibility. They let their kids run the streets at all hours of the night, then show up in a courtroom with an ACLU lawyer everytime some city or town tries to take control of the asylum back from the inmates by passing a rational curfew ordinance.

They are white and black and asian and from every other background. Upper, middle and lower economic class. Every religion you can name in every corner of the country. The only thing they have in common is the fact that they can procreate and they figure they have not only a constitutional right but a moral requirement to bring kids into the world with no sense of citizenship, class, discipline or common courtesy and expect the rest of us to pay for and clean up the mess.

WIC, HUD, welfare, free and reduced lunches at schools,superintendents who make more than the president and athletic directors who make more than their governor, miles of streets on and around every campus unpassable on a Friday night because of all the drunken underage morons staggering back to the frat house-- the mind swims at how much the majority of the taxpayers who don't have kids in school pay so that people can have babies without having to raise them into responsible adults, can get a free education (including the coach and the weightroom)and then allow them to run the streets at night. Some don't turn out bad, far too many do.

Obama is right on this. Time for Jesse Jackson and everyone else to stop being offended and start dealing with reality.

As I recall, Mr. Jackson once said he was more afraid of young black men on the street than young white men. If he can show the courage to tell the truth, why can't Obama?

Posted by: BVI | July 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

If anyone thinks that Jackson's comments will hurt Obama in the black community, or are embraced by any significant number of blacks, they are sorely misguided. Obama has publicly identified an unspoken truth recognized by the overwhelming majority of the blacks most likely to participate in the electoral process.
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Actually, Bill Cosby and others identified this problem long before anyone would listen.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

If Obama is elected, it undercuts Jackson's ability to make a living which is based on shaking down money from any institution that he can guilt trip into donations for absolution for keeping the black man down.

With a black president, his job will be considerably harder.

Posted by: Ed | July 10, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

It's not so much what Obama said that is the problem, it's how he said it. To some, including me (and I'm black, so I guess someone will call me an Uncle Tom), he does seem to talk down to people (and we all know how he looks down on bitter white class voters). But, when I saw the remarks Obama made about black fathers on fathers day, I was bothered by the fact that he didn't include ALL fathers. Black men do not corner the market on being bad fathers; white men are screwups, too. Yet, do you think Barack, and his "white half," would dare talk down to white folks like that? Of course not. And, there ARE blacks that agree with Jackson about Obama and his elitist (yeah, I said it) attitude. Geez, is ANYONE allowed to say ANYTHING negative about Obama? Conservatives, whites, and Republicans are able to criticize John McCain, and they do, left and right. But, don't dare be black and say anything negative about Barack, because you WILL be brought down...and Barack may even use your own child to do it.

Posted by: sillyme | July 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

*LOL* @ JJ getting mad @ Obama for "talking down" on absentee fathers. i think Jesse took it personal. i wonder how much time he has spent with his illegitimate child.

Posted by: honey | July 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

If anyone thinks that Jackson's comments will hurt Obama in the black community, or are embraced by any significant number of blacks, they are sorely misguided. Obama has publicly identified an unspoken truth recognized by the overwhelming majority of the blacks most likely to participate in the electoral process.

On another note the amount of vitriol in these posts never ceases to amaze me; it is well beyond simple disagreement and is indicative of a lack of respect for others that is thoroughly disgusting and depressing. So much for reasonable discourse.

Posted by: upperdeck4 | July 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is not the descendant of slaves. While having no father, he had a grandfather and a highly educated mother, as well as a grandmother. He did not grow up in the urban ghetto or in the rural squalor that so many generations of African Americans have. He is half white. He is also brilliant and so was able to get scholarships to the finest schools in America. So his experience is very different from the descendants of slavery. He can understand intellectually but not viscerally because this has not been his experience. I don't think he is a fake; he is authentic in who he is, but he is not the African AMerican whose ancestors have endured slavery and Jim Crow and are still suffering from a biased criminal justice system, institutionalized racism and a public education system that fails to educate them. I was an inner city school teacher for 36 years so I know what I am talking about. You know, there are a lot of absent fathers out there -- latino, white, Native American and Asian. Why doesn't he give that speech to those groups as well? He needs to evolve his thinking on this issue. And people like Jesse, who did say something crude and unacceptable, albeit off mic, need to keep educating him on it. The Black community has embraced him. Will he embrace them and work to really enforce social justice in this country?

Posted by: jonnirae | July 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

This incident illustrates the trap that is "identity politics." African Americans should not assume that Sen. Obama represents their interests just because of the color of his skin. Likewise, women should not assume that a female presidential candidate is the best representative of their interests. When voters use such abstract criteria to make their choice, they are likey to be disappointed. Such proxies are not substitutes for doing your homework as a voter. Every voter must look closely at the policies of the candidates before making your decision. Easily said. Rarely done, which is why we so often feel duped by the reality of a presidency.

Posted by: Yellow Dog | July 10, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

jwalker what in the world are you talking about:"And for all the black people who think he is so great they should remember the great black hope Clarence Thomas who they thought was going to be their Robin Hood only to turn out to be an Al Jolsen imitator." you must not know any Black people, because none of us thought Clarence Thomas was going do anything for us. Clarence Thomas had done and is still doing anything he can to suck up to the white conservatives he so wishes he could be. The man has gone out of his way to make sure that women and minorities lose what ever power they have in this country. I mean from Anita Hill to always ruling against minorities in any case that comes before the court, Uncle Thomas has shown himself to not be a friend to blacks or any other minority for that matter. Who told you Black people were excited when Thomas was nominated, because they lied. It is a down right joke and insult he was picked to replace a man who cared so much about evening the playing field and making things fair in America, Thurgood Marshall. It always cracks me up that Thomas is so against affirmative action and quotas, except when it got him into law school and on the Supreme Court. Barack Obama seeks to represent all Americans and he is the first legitimate presidential candidate that holds the unique position of being able to address blacks and discuss issues with us that many white politicians are scared to for either lack of understanding or fear of call of racism.

Posted by: kevin | July 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh, great, here we go again. "Is Obama Black Enough?", Act Two. Rev. Jackson makes a comment effectively criticizing Obama for being out of touch with urban blacks and the media blow it up out of proportion. Jackson didn't do himself any favors with this, of course - this just continues the silly dialogue about Obama's race rather than his stance on issues that matter. If Jackson wanted to hurt the cause, he couldn't have found a better way to do it than on Fox "News" Channel.

Posted by: wpreader2007 | July 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

obama's skin tone is darker than so called white, but it's true he was raised by white family, early years not in u.s. and his african father left the family early in his life. So what has he got in common with most american blacks besides skin tone? Actually the first black presidential nominee has yet to run.

Posted by: ellen b | July 10, 2008 11:41 AM
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Ellen,

Exactly who the hell are you to question his blackness? What in your life experience gives you that right? Most likely nothing.

Posted by: Christophe L'enfant | July 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I still fail to see what's wrong with uplifting the community and addressing its pathologies. These aren't imaginary problems he's addressing. To complain about him addressing the black community differently that the white community is silly to me. The black community WANTS to be spoken to about its own issues, it just might not be getting the type of discussion it hoped for.

Posted by: Kevikev283 | July 10, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Obama states he will unit us, why then does he separate us by race???? Separating or treating people different because of their race only causes problems and continues the same old politics he states he wants to change.. Obama is not living upto his words

Posted by: james | July 10, 2008 11:47 AM
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Sometimes each race needs to deal with its own problems. That is not being a seperatist that is being a realist. The other communities cannot and should not be expected to solve problems that are inherent and specific to a particular community. The only people who would be capable of solving those problems would be the people who have to deal with them and their effects everyday. I urge you not to get so wrapped up in the words that you missed the message.

Posted by: Todd J. Washington, DC | July 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

CW wrote: "The fact: he does talk down to black audiences."

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The fact: Obama was absolutely, 100% right.

Posted by: sequoia | July 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

james wrote:

"Obama states he will unit us, why then does he separate us by race???? Separating or treating people different because of their race only causes problems and continues the same old politics he states he wants to change.. Obama is not living upto his words."
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That's absurd. NEWSFLASH: African Americans have a different history in this country and some different problems. People in this country DO have different realities based on race. We ARE separated by race. Are you not aware of that? How will pretending like that's not true solve anything?

And of course, EVERY SINGLE anti-Obama person brings up race CONSTANTLY then pretends Obama is "playing the race card" by speaking honestly and openly about the realities of race in the USA.

Meanwhile....Republicans won't even talk to black audiences and groups.

Posted by: Shawn | July 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Why not use Father's day to celebrate black fathers and not moralize about "personal responsibility." The fact: he does talk down to black audiences. In front of blacks he talks about serving healthy food, personal responsibility, bad parenting, and other 'black pathologies.' IN front of whites he talks about health care,the economy, and foreign policy. Show some respect. Obama is not a "new black politician" but one who re-hashes old arguments about uplift and pathology.

Posted by: CW | July 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Obama could be considerably harder on the black population and they would still march in lockstep with him at the ballot box. He knows this and knows that blaming them for some of the self generated disasters they have visited upon themselves plays well with the white population to get more votes there.

With Obama, its all about getting votes.

Posted by: Ed | July 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse


misa said: "Obama acts like he cares about Women. What a crock."
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So, misa, I take it you will vote for the candidate who left his badly injured wife because he didn't like the way she LOOKED after her accident, called his new wife a "c*nt" and wants to take away all your reproductive rights? Becuase that makes SO much sense. Durrrrrr.


Sherry Kay wrote: "Jesse Jackson was right about Obama!"
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WRONG! Obama was absolutely, 100% right about the REALITY of absentee fathers in the black community (and beyond, but he was talking to a black audience and addressing black issues). I guess telling the truth is now "talking down" to people? Only for victimy losers who can't take responsibility for their actions and lives!

Posted by: sequoia | July 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Obama states he will unit us, why then does he separate us by race???? Separating or treating people different because of their race only causes problems and continues the same old politics he states he wants to change.. Obama is not living upto his words

Posted by: james | July 10, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

If it makes anyone feel any better, a lot of white men are letting down their families as well.

And what about this culture of "go it alone" female, who sets out to purposely to become a single mother, only later to find out she bit off more than she can chew?

Obama is just calling it the way he sees it. Unlike Bush, who has handlers, ideologues and mental retardation.

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | July 10, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Who knows? Obama does NOT care about women, believe me. Every speech he gives, every flop he flips is for his OWN well being. He is just like Bush in that regard. I am not voting for Obama.

Posted by: Staged | July 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

An earlier commenter said, "Obama looks black but did not have any semblance of black experience".

Are you kidding me? A guy named Barack Obama growing up in Kansas doesn't have any idea what it's like to be black? My guess is that he's always been different and an object of jealousy and resentment by those less accomplished.

Forget that Obama is married to a black woman, has two black children, attended a black church for 20 years and has done extensive community organizing work in the black community, you must be right - he's totally out of touch with black America because his mom is white and he went to Harvard.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

obama's skin tone is darker than so called white, but it's true he was raised by white family, early years not in u.s. and his african father left the family early in his life. So what has he got in common with most american blacks besides skin tone? Actually the first black presidential nominee has yet to run.

Posted by: ellen b | July 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Obama acts like he cares about Women. What a crock.

Posted by: misa | July 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama makes remarks about the Black male, family and community life to, 1st and foremost, pander to both the white electorate and, most importantly, to the non-black power-structure, without whose support he could not have become a U.S. Senator; much less become President.

It's a glaring and obvious illustration of just how little [organized] political and economic power U.S. Blacks have - as well as how deep and enduring centuries-old racial divisions are - that, in order to be elected (or appointed) to certain higher-level positions of power, a non-white, (and especially Black, due to historical experiences) would have to master the art of not only appeasing and making comfortable the real power-brokers in American society, but, to a large extent, doing their bidding.

That means the Revs Jesse and Sharpton's Black-advocacy or grievance-approach would not succeed as shown by Jesse Jackson's twice-failed presidential campaigns.

Any showing of Black advocacy or grievance, no matter how diplomactic, will be resisted, for the most part, by the non-black power establishment.

Therefore, Mr. Obama - who, by the way, is as much a puppet of the Media, Military-Idustrial, Banking & Corporate establishment as all the other candidates -can not champion Black issues, at home or abroad (e.g., Africa), or he'll get relegated to the role of a Jesse or Sharpton or that of a 'black Mayor'-level polititian.

'The more things change...

Posted by: Mr. J. | July 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

For all his cult members if they had taken the time to follow his record they would see he knew that black people would flock to him he didn't need to promise to do anything.

But then Illinois Blacks should have know. All the committees, meetings for the black public he didn't show up to, for all the promises he made to blacks and didn't keep they should have known...check his Illinois senate record...

Posted by: Marge | July 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Now we see the mindless Obama followers attacking one of their own. Whats next the outlawing of any negative publicity of obama, and the muzzling of the press.

Posted by: james | July 10, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Jesse Jackson spends his time trying to blame everything under the sun for the failure of blacks. Most every person on the planet faces obstacles. The difference is that successful people do not dwell on the obstacles. They set about to overcome them. Morality is a precursor to taking responsibility and taking responsibility is a precursor to all the things Jackson blames on society re: blacks-- staying out of jail, taking care of family, getting and staying employed, etc. Jackson does not get this. Obama does. If I vote for Obama, it will be because of his on-the-mark perception on Morality. By the way, Rev. Wright does not get this either. But maybe as he relaxes in his 1.5 million dollar home puchased on the backs of Trinity worshippers, he will understand.

Obama is now the mentor. Revs. Wright and Jackson are the students.

Posted by: RTGreenwood | July 10, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The essence of what Jackson said was true, Obama does talk down to Black people but what he said was also true to an extent. There are dead beat fathers in the white and Hispanic communities as well but he didn't touch on that. If he wasn't so naive when it comes to politics he would have known to couch his remarks in a general term with many a more emphasis on minority communities. This is just another example of someone who is not ready to be President.

And for all the black people who think he is so great they should remember the great black hope Clarence Thomas who they thought was going to be their Robin Hood only to turn out to be an Al Jolsen imitator.

In the end I believe McCain will win. He is definitely not to my liking but at least with Republican you know where they stand; with Democats it's a throw of the dice; witness Obama and his latest turnaround with the FISA vote. He is really an example of someone who will say anything to get elected, something he accused Hillary Clinton of but to her credit she stuck to her decision on the Iraq vote because she believed it was correct while all the democats tried the old 'If I'd know then what I know now' routine. I'm a democrat but the current crop is pathetic starting with the effectual Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: jwalker | July 10, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Is it too hard to note that the epidemic of fatherless children in the African American population is a self generated disaster? Is it too hard to note that the murder rate, largely black on black, in urban areas is a self generated disaster?

It is easier to use the Jackson pretzel logic and blame it all on the larger population but not more accurate.

Posted by: Ed | July 10, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The core issue centers around black men take a deep self assessment of their individual responsibility, pertaining to how they need to focus on what they can do for their families, communities, and nation instead of taking the easy way out and point fingers to government system and public policy makers.Yes there are problems with our government system and some policy makers make wrong policies that impact black communities, but that is one piece of the whole problem.We should rise up and act and stop worrying about the outcome.Give Obama a chance to change the direction of our Nation for better.

Posted by: South Orang | July 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Oh please, I am so sick of hearing Jesse Jackson speak. I don't know who he's speaking for, but as an African American male, he sure isn't speaking for me.

Anyone who tries to create a change for the black community from the inside out is in trouble. If that person isn't black he doesn't know what he's talking about because he's an outsider and doesn't know what it's like. If someone inside the community says something about personal responsibility that person is "airing dirty laundry", "picking on", or "talking down" to members of the community.

I'm all for creating more equitable structures in our society, changes definitely need to be made, but "we've been told to protect our outer man, while our inner man is dying" (Lauryn Hill). Yes - fight for change in society, but don't forget work towards a positive change in yourself as well. It's very easy to point and say "You've done me wrong, now make it right". It's harder to say, "I've participated in or allowed certain behaviors to go on that have done a disservice to myself, my family, and my community and I need to make steps in my life to prevent them from continuing", and then actually follow through. Change needs to happen from BOTH the inside and the outside for the community's condition to improve.

As far as Obama's comments on fatherhood goes: What better day to discuss the reality and importance of fatherhood in the black community than at a black church on Father's Day? I don't see the problem, unless the problem is one of PRIDE and an unwillingness to hear and address the truth about ourselves.

Not every black man who father's a child is a deadbeat dad. If you aren't an absentee father then why are you bothered by the commentary? You should support a conversation within the community that promotes responsibility and the importance of family to your children, right? If the fits and you aren't playing an active role in your children's life. Instead of acting wounded or mocking the commentary, why not think about making a positive change for the sake of the lives you helped create?

Obama is not "ballness", if anything, I think it takes more guts to turn to the community and say "We need to come together and make a change" than it does to turn a blind eye to internal issues and only look for solutions from an external source.

Posted by: Kevikev283 | July 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Black, White, whatever....Obama makes a clear point that can be applied to all children and parents, no matter where they reside, exotic or not.

Posted by: mgoldmanfl | July 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Democrat and I'll support the Democratic nominee, but I find it somewhat amusing that a fellow raised in a household without a father, who for the past four or five years has lived the majority of the time in a different city than his children, who's now running for President which'll cause him to often be on a different continent than the rest of his family is lecturing about absentee fathers. I'm not sure if it's more of "do as I say, not as I do" situation rather than a "god forbid, your children might end up like me", but any way you look at it, it seems a bit disingenuous to me.

Posted by: discreet_chaos | July 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Rev. Jackson is in no sense a leader anymore. He proved it by making that remark about Obama. How can anyone look to Rev. Jackson for his viewpoint?

Posted by: Will | July 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

it's either
be hard on blacks
or
blame whitey...
blaming whitey didn't work, so blame the blacks to make the whites comfortable, at the expense of the blacks...
thats politics folks...

Posted by: Dwight | July 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Obama looks black but did not have any semblance of black experience, having been raised by his white mother and white grandparents, and having lived in 'exotic' places such as Hawaii and Indonesia. Secondly, the fact that he has been nominated (presumably) to represent the democratic viewpoint does not endow him with the 'authority' to lecture everyone one what they should be doing: do not watch television, learn an European language, raise your children, etc. This guy should get off his high horses and work on looking more like an adult than like a school yard bully. With his 'boyish' looks, he does not have the commanding presence to have his audience take him seriously when he lectures them. America, do we need a president or a lecturer?

Posted by: Sonny | July 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I well remember a youthful "march on Washington" at which Jesse Jackson was a keynote speaker. He got great applause when he shouted "And you young black men--anybody can MAKE a baby. It takes a real man to RAISE a baby!" Great line then, great line now. To me, Jackson is coming across as jealous. When he ran for president he was considered pretty much a joke. Seeing the poised, popular Obama make a real run for it must hurt. But that doesn't excuse his remark about wanting to "cut his nuts off" which was not just crude, but virulent. Has he forgotten that's exactly what the KKK used to do to black men?

Posted by: Elizabeth | July 10, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Well being a Black Man in America can be tough but the real answers are within ourselves. Better choices and not the blame game is what we need. Sure their are policies and laws in place trying to demise black american males. I grew up during intergration and I used that as a spring board to drive myself. All of us don't have the same will but if we just try and put our best foot forward success is not cheap it cost.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Is he too hard on blacks, too soft? Is he too black to white? What's up with these endless questions -- We have, for the first time, a mixed-race peson running for president. Instead of celebrating the achievments (and it IS a miracle of sorts), you are nitpicking this person's heritage and those statements that talk about them). While there are plenty of legitimate things to talk about Obama (like why he FLIPPED on the FISA thing), this endless talk about white/black stuff is just FODDER for the McCain people. YOU ARE STIRRING THINGS UP, and in your boredom of what to write about, just write garbage. Please stop it.

Posted by: d | July 10, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Jesse Jackson is an old fart who is suffering not being in the center of attention.

Posted by: nclwtk | July 10, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Obama is preaching the doctrine of "assimilation",and this has not worked to the benefit of blacks. Back during the black power sixties, the dominant call was for black nationalism, but those black thinkers were either incarcerated, assasinated or put on the run. In Obama, white america has found a spokesman for a process that renders blacks quitely invisible, and destroys our cultural identity. Beware of this man Obama!

Posted by: nativson | July 10, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

E-man Shut your face.

Your ignorance is stinking up this blog.

Your about as funny as John McCain the cancer survivor's joke about weaponized cancer.

Curious George the cartoon monkey, has you beat by 50 IQ points, maybe he could tutor you on walking upright, and foraging for berrys and termites, as I'm sure those skills would help you live a more fufilling life out there in the old growth forests with your Sasquatch family.

Give them my best at sundown while your eating all those ticks and fleas you pick from their musty ape pelts.

Posted by: Poindexter | July 10, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Oh Jeez, here it comes, the sequal to the demonization of Bill Cosby!

Race relations in this country have totally stalemated. Obama's approach is a reasonable alternative to the current stalemate.

Give it a chance before everyone jumps all over the poor guy!

Posted by: Tom Renda | July 10, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I think we black can not always give others the responsibilty of our bad atitudes, we must touch the core of the problem and think about the solution rather than playing weak.
Yes, there is what we may call social whatever, but we have to struggle togther with our good hearted brothers in America to reduces the gabs; not only the balck children but the entire America community.
We are all humans and we need to create a good healthy nation free of social gabs of any kinds.Moreover, its very fatal to think always within our box, earth is not inherited to a certain group of people.If a person determined to change his life it always happens. And Like What Shakepeare said; three sentences of success a) Know more than other b)work more than other C)expect less than other.
The speech of Obama as I understood is to ecourage the blacks to look at the future more positively.Obama is not playing white but America.
God belss America

Posted by: Kargolu | July 10, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

What I find amazing about this whole discussion is that Jackson "forgot" the mike was open on Fox. Give me a break. Jackson has been ignored during the Presidential campaign and this is a way for him to insert himself. Too bad the media fell for it.

Posted by: rlj | July 10, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Curious George is only being hard on Blacks currently - to beat off his true colors outlined by Billary of being an elitist and a white hater...

Posted by: E-man | July 10, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

We are really running out of interesting political stories when an older leader's tacky comment is accidentally exposed, quickly apologized for, the apology is accepted, and yet the saga continues. This silly season stuff would be more understandable if our economy and foreign policy weren't falling to pieces simultaneously, against a backdrop of vanishing oil supplies worldwide and harmful planetwide change to the atmosphere and oceans.

As this commentary on the underlying issue at hand ultimately concedes, everybody's pushing a combo of individual responsibility and increased federal assistance but they're emphasizing different parts of that formula in their statements. Not exactly the most interesting tempest in a teapot I've ever read about.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | July 10, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

It shows how far the country has advanced since Martin Luther King, when a black man can now be accused of being too intellectual and elitist.

Posted by: bodo | July 10, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Most African American in this great country US need get job stopped white this and white that ,get a job do something your self stopped blamed your problem to white people bushtit,JJ is looser, an idiot Moran I never like the guy ,he is a trouble maker, we get new leader Sent Obama .JJ is hater ,he hate to see someone ells took over ,JJ go to hell sucker.

Posted by: mohamed | July 10, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

The truth hurts. Obama calls it like it is.

Posted by: GetOverIt | July 10, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Obama is black. We need to be more critical of ourselves.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Yassuh Massa Obama us black folks is sure
going to do exactly like ya'll told us,
sir,so please don't use that ole bullwhip
on our backs again massa Obama! Jesse Jackson was right about Obama!

Posted by: Sherry Kay | July 10, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

He has more right then most. It is where he came from a father that ran out so to speak.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Let me share my previous comment for those who still believe that Obama is a black:

If Obama accepted earlier, "Yes I am proud of being a half black-and-white," then it would make him the first African-American President in US history. If he accepted, "Yes there are racial inequalities in this country thus I am going to fix those problems," then he would be the first US President after JFK and LBJ to expand and modify all civil liberties-related bills. If he accepted, "Yes I am proud of being part of a Muslim family," then it means he is qualified to be the President of America representing the cultural diversity of America. If he accepted, "Yes I am a liberal thus I am opposing the FISA and death penalty and supporting civil liberties and freedom," then he is a qualified Democratic nominee.

Logic is that simple.


Posted by: Premier | July 10, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Typical of the comments I've read on the blogosphere after the Jesse Jackson "hot mic" incident is one I read in the comments section of Small Dead Animals: "I'm always amazed how many aged, exprienced, weatherbeaten politicos get caught by the ol' hot mike trick.

If I were in the game, I would never, ever speak in public in an unprepared surrounding."

EXACTLY.

To me, this could be the Obama campaign's attempt to shore up Barack's bonafides with whites.

So, they have Rev. Jackson, whose son, JJJr. has a major role in the campaign, castrate castigate the senator for not being "black enough" and "talkin' down to black folk."

See, you have nothing to fear! Barack's as white as you! Or at least as harmless as your favorite black man, Bill Cosby.

"That's awfully cynical of you," you say. "What makes you think it was a setup?"

My first inkling that something was wrong was the setting. Fox News Channel is the most hated news organization in liberal circles. If Jackson makes his whispered comments on a CNN or MSNBC set, what do you think would have happened? Probably nothing. Those organizations would have gone into full "protection" mode for Jackson and his comments would have gone unreported. But the good Reverend knew exactly where he was, he knew that every mic is a hot mic and he knew that his comments would make air.

The second alarm bell that went off in my head is that Jackson's first call wasn't to FNC to ask them not to run the tape, Oh, no, he called CNN to make sure everybody watched the damned thing! He then called a "preemptive" news conference to "apologize."

FNC withheld "more damaging" comments, said Bill O'Reilly on his program last night. Damn those Republican Lap Dogs! Can't they do anything right?

Posted by: EJHill | July 10, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Obama disparges black men to court the righties.

He is, as JJ so noted, Balless

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse


Tough love!

Jesse Jackson and his victimy, whiney approach to the problems that plague the black community have accomplished what, extactly? Nuthin'.

To say these "stereotypes" have little basis in reality is absurd. Of course the black community is beautifully diverse and broad, but to pretend like black America doesn't have a problem with absentee fathers, drop-outs and teenage pregnancy is delusional.

Obama speaks the TRUTH, and it's a BAD thing?

Posted by: sequoia | July 10, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

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