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McCain Continues Attack Over Canceled Obama Hospital Visit

By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain and his surrogates continued to press their attack Monday against Democrat Barack Obama for failing to visit wounded troops in Germany while he toured Europe last week.

Frank Donatelli, the deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee, pressed the case on morning talk shows, saying Sen. Obama has given a series of different explanations for the decision.

In an e-mail from McCain's campaign this morning, a retired army soldier who spent time at the Ramstein Air Base hospital after being injured in combat ramped up the criticism of Obama for choosing not to visit.

"I've spent time at Ramstein recovering from wounds received in the service of my country, and I'm sure that Senator Obama could have made no better use of his time than to meet with our men and women in uniform there," said retired Chief Warrant Officer Michael J. Durant.

"That Barack Obama believes otherwise casts serious doubt on his judgment and calls into question his priorities."

Obama and his aides have said the senator was planning to visit the troops but decided at the last minute that it would be seen as too political, especially after contact from Pentagon officials questioning whether an Obama aide was part of the campaign.

"That triggered, then, a concern that maybe our visit was going to be perceived as political. And the last thing that I want to do is have injured soldiers and the staff at these wonderful institutions having to sort through whether this is political or not, or get caught in the cross fire between campaigns," Obama said at a press conference in London last week.

That has not satisfied McCain allies. Also today, the RNC put out another e-mail listing what they said were the 10 different reasons given by Obama and his staff for not visiting the hospital.

Aides to the campaign believe the event will shape voter perceptions of Obama as a self-interested politician who is willing to do anything to get elected. They say they believe Obama wanted to turn the visit into a campaign event and canceled when that became impossible.

Obama's campaign denies that, saying the visit was not put on the senator's schedule because they never intended to take press along.

By Web Politics Editor  |  July 28, 2008; 4:35 PM ET
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Well I think it is also important to look at the positive.Oboma's innability to visit the wounded soldiers with all the valid excuses received from his team,its important that we also look at what he was able to do within the few days of his trip.His ability to meet the key people such as the Iraq president,Palestine and Israel leaders.These are key to the US's image abroad.So let us also look at the positive side of his tour. Am sure Mccain was not going to accomplish all this.

Posted by: Edgar Shiluwe | July 31, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

OCB (ol' Cranky Bastard) should concentrate on his MAC lessons, History and Geography. His GAFFES are as big as lies that he tells. He is obviously suffering from CRS (Can't Remember Sh**) aka Alzheimer?s He should go lay down somewhere.

Posted by: Not OCB | July 30, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain's desperate. He's taken the very low road. He's just plain in a fantasy world. He doesn't have a clue anymore. He's the candidate of fear. Obama represents hope to most of us now. Old vs New. Hope vs. Fear. Your choice.

Posted by: Jim | July 30, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's the only guy I know that can screw up every day and still come out ahead in the polls. What a bunch of bunk. Put this add on TV then see what McCain has to say about supporting our troops. http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/mccain-lies-about-his-voting-record-for-veterans/

Posted by: HemiHead | July 29, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

the Obama's canceled visit to the wounded troops in germany will not give a free pass to the presidency to mc cain. He will need also brains,knowledge,attitud and charisma in other worlds divine favor.

Posted by: fernando canavati | July 29, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Let's put it this way, if Obma wanted to go he would have.

"New Poll Shows McCain Leading Among Likely Voters"

Posted by: Mike | July 29, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

"New Poll Shows McCain Leading Among Likely Voters"

Posted by: Mike | July 29, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

DOES JOHN MACCAIN BEING AN AMERICAN HERO GIVE HIM A FREE PASS TO PLAY POLITICS WITH OTHER INJURED AMERICAN HEROES?????

Posted by: Raymond Micheals | July 29, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Hey Knoxville NFIL. I love the backyard website. To bad Obama never brings reporters into the hospital. Do you really think people are going to believe your twisted BS. Try again.

Posted by: Mike | July 28, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

i'm confident that mccain get put together a mob crowd. get people's emotions fired up about absolutely nothing real and forget that the dollar is now worth half since w took office, we've the biggest budget deficit in history, the first tax cut [for rich who don't need it] while fighting [two] war[s] of choice, no pay raise in 7 years.

mccain would double-down. stay in iraq until 'victory' whatever that means (sure can't be measured). have 25% of tax cuts go to 3% of folks making $2.8 million, give more oil drilling licenses when 68 million acres of existing ones lay unused.

the tax cuts aren't real. all of it is 110% debt + interest funded, borrowed from the chinese as dollar-denominated iou's that our children have to pay back.

if mccain gets his way, then let's make sure your children at least take chinese private lessons. i assume with no child left most school don't have funding for such fancy classes.

the fact that we'd have another 3.5 trillion deficit in a decade on top of the 500+ billion (today's record deficit announcement doesn't even factor in $80 billion of iraq costs) based on mccain's policies (don't forget how hallow and trivial mccain's much touted 'cut the earmarks' is relative to budget size) is qualitatively crucial to pound home when barack would actually balance the budget in that same time.

if there's a time for some real debate and journalism and not some gossip rag, it's now.

Posted by: theoatwa | July 28, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Mike in Sac: If you are good at following JSM, check his votes on bills to increase, or decrease, the size of the Army since 2000. I've been tempted to ask Sherrod Brown's office for a list of such bills so I could check to see if John even bothered to vote on troop strength increases. He certainly hasn't himself ever called for drastic increases in the Regular Army, and the Army of the United States.

His votes on troop levels are valid indicators of just how well he supports our troops. (He certainly doesn't want to pay them very well. Backed George on holding pay raises to under 3%, as well as against the Web GI Bill.)

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | July 28, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

See our view on Obama's campaigning by means of photo ops overseas and his failure to visit wounded troops in Germany at http://www.NotFallingInLine.org.

Obama says, "We did it really well."

We say, "No, Senator. You didn't."

No true Democrat will validate the selectee who sleazed off with a nomination that he did not earn and does not deserve.

Posted by: Knoxville NFIL | July 28, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Jake, I didn't see your separate plane comment until after posting a response. Maybe I'm a little slow because I didn't think Obama had access to plane's on demand anywhere in the world. This is a stupid issue anyway. Here's what happened. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/obama-explains.html

Posted by: HemiHead | July 28, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

You didn't answer my question. Was Obama supposed to take a cab to the airport and get on another plane while the press took his. Or was his plane supposed to drop off the press in Paris then come back for him. You may think it's cheap to fly a 757 all over the place but it's not. Why don't you tell me what you really mean next time so we don't have to play these games. http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/07/obama-press-plane-poised-to-de.html

Posted by: HemiHead | July 28, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

McCain is showing a small mind and a reactionary agenda. It is clear to me that he is not made of the right stuff to be a strong leader. I respect him. He is a patriot, he served his country, he suffered torture. However, that does not mean he is Presidential material. The more I see of him, the less I like him.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | July 28, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Boy, polls have McCain winning 49% to 45%. Ya know what I say about that. This election is rigged. There's no way that can be right. I think they took that poll when McCain started his witch-hunt on Obama's missed troop visit.

Posted by: Mike | July 28, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

AH... The power of free choice...

You just have to love being an American.

Posted by: germanguy | July 28, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"germanguy:

Perhaps you can translate that into English and post it over on the correct thread? (28)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/28/mccain_outlines_vice_president.html#comments"

You are a hypocrit, by your own actions.
Shouldn't you be posting wikipedia facts under a different blog?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

germanguy:

The previous "Rock the Vote" youth said they were going Democrat and not GOP too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Yep:

The C-21A is a military variant of the Learjet 35A, with room for eight passengers and 42 ft³ (1.26 m³) of cargo. In addition to its normal role, the aircraft is capable of transporting litters during medical evacuations.

Delivery of the C-21A fleet began in April 1984 and was completed in October 1985. Dyncorp International provides full contractor logistics support at seven worldwide locations.

There are 38 Air Force active duty aircraft, and 18 Air National Guard aircraft in the C-21A fleet. On April 1, 1997, all continental U.S.-based C-21As were realigned under Air Mobility Command, with the 375th Airlift Wing at Scott Air Force Base, Illinois, as the lead command. C-21As stationed outside the continental United States are assigned to the theater commanders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_35/36#C-21A

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

When your campaign is stalled, you have to do something to kick-start it. So why not go on the attack.

McCain's campaign is in shambles. He needs to bring life back into it. He is already pushing the 'Young Republicans' to get out and move voters into his corner. Problem is, they report that most of the young people they talk to are going Democrat and not republican this election.

Posted by: germanguy | July 28, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Where'd you look that up, wikipedia?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I will let you in on a little secret: the U.S. Air Force has a large fleet of these things called AIRPLANES (including VIP Jets ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Hemihead

"Separate planes, sending the campaign plane with press aboard directly to Paris..."
Is this kid for real?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

"I criticize more than just bloggers". You said it not me.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

HemiHead:

Separate planes, sending the campaign plane with press aboard directly to Paris, just like when Obama flew to North Carolina.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

How does the press corp go to Paris without leaving Obama behind. They are all on the same plane. Or did you want Obama to stay behind and have the plane come back to pick him up.

Posted by: HemiHead | July 28, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

You mean there is more than one of you? God help us all.

Posted by: germanguy | July 28, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, since I have not "cast aspersions", I cannot be "hypocritical" in that regard -- at least I use my real name HINT HINT -- Cindy, on the other hand, claims that McCain is (dis)honorable for simply pointing out the truth.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

Enough of the 'could have', 'should have' speeches already. Accusing CINDY of "casting aspersions", is hypocritical, based on your record today on this blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Question,, When you respond to someone, how do you put their name on top and start writing a few spaces lower. It keeps jumping back down every time I try.

Posted by: HemiHead | July 28, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 8:05 PM:

My "problem" is proving Mike in Sac wrong? (29) LOL!!! Maybe it's simply a "chicken or egg" question -- for the record, I criticize more than just bloggers -- but unless you are Mike in Sac, I fail to see how that's your problem.

germanguy:

That was the fake JakeD at 8:02 PM.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Cindy:

"Unfortunately the visit with the troops in Germany fell into the wrong half of the trip."

Not at all -- you should be more careful before casting aspersions -- Obama could have secretly flown to meet the wounded troops and sent the press corp ahead to Paris (just like he did back in February when he went to North Carolina and begged for John Edwards's endorsement ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

That is your problem, you only post to criticize bloggers. You must get off, spending your day on the blogs. At least we now can see who and what you are.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

germanguy

Sorry for my last post to you... No Offencs meant.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous poster(s):

Whether the legislation helped or not, voting for the bill qualifies as "anything" (see Mike in Sac's original post). As for whether McCain could have voted against this particular Bill, of course he could have -- he could have refused Unanimous Consent and forced a record vote too -- even if he had, I would simply have to find another Veterans Bill he voted for to prove Mike in Sac wrong.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

Here is the article to backup my last post:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/iraq/story/684709.html

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama consolidated 2 trips into 1. Unfortunately the visit with the troops in Germany fell into the wrong half of the trip. Any visit with troops in that half would have garnered criticism from his opponents. Obama chose to keep the troops out of the political fray; McCain chose to pull them in anyway.

Shame on you, John McCain! I used to think you were more honorable than that.

Posted by: Cindy | July 28, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

I think that a bill being passed has no meaning, if it doesn't produce results:

"But 18 veteran suicides each day translate to more than 6,500 deaths a year -- and 21 percent of all U.S. suicides. Veterans make up about 8 percent of the U.S. population."

Nice going John McCain. Another worthwhile bill to pass. Now show us the beef.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

germanguy:

Perhaps you can translate that into English and post it over on the correct thread? (28)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/28/mccain_outlines_vice_president.html#comments

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain baited Obama into making the over seas trip then criticized him when he did so. The McCain camp criticized the visit to the troops as a political photo-op, now they are criticizing the fact that he didn't visit the troops. Is he really that desperate or is it that he just can't remember what he says from one day to the next?

Posted by: Linda | July 28, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Fareed:

"The Doctors canceled his Oil Platform photo op."?! (26) LOL!!! I thought that Friday, it was the oil spill that prevented his photo op? (27)

You lefty moonbats really need to get your conspiracy theories straight!!!

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I think republicans should be really concerned over who McCain picks as his running mate. If anything happens to McCain in office, the person to fill his shoes is going to have be someone they can truth to follow-thru with THEIR agendas.

Posted by: germanguy | July 28, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

S. 479 "Joshua Omvig Veterans Suicide Prevention Act" passed 9/27/2007 with an amendment by Unanimous Consent. H.R. 327 passed and signed by the President on 11/5/07.

So you think it may have been possible for him to vote against this bill? What a dork.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Jake, I'm not saying he never voted for things for vets. I will tell ya that McCain voted NO, and held up the committee to find POW's in Viet Nam. Those records are now sealed in Washington. What I'm saying is that John McCain is a bad choice for president, and he's done more bad than good.

Posted by: HemiHead | July 28, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Forget about visiting the Troops smoke screes, McCain is melting. McCain came out of the hospital today with another Bandade on the side of his face. His physical health has now become an issue also. The Doctors canceled his Oil Platform photo op. His fitness is in serious question.

Posted by: Fareed | July 28, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Jimbo:

Maybe McCain went in private and didn't discuss it. Regardless, McCain didn't have such a visit set up, only to cancel it after he was reminded that military guidelines prevented him from bringing his campaign entourage / media. Big difference, don't you think? (25)

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"Are you going to claim that's still not "anything for Vets"? (24)

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

As it turns out, troop honoring McSeismic didn't visit the troops either when he went to London and Paris in March. London is the same distance from the Lundstahl as Berlin is, and Paris is even closer.

http://fav.or.it/post/291289/why-didnt-mccain-want-to-see-the-troops-in-march

Posted by: Jimbo | July 28, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I didn't even listen to Rush Limbaugh today.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

No, Mike in Sac, you claimed "he has consistently voted against anything for Vets" -- that's a far cry from voting against Vet interests in general -- so, here's one Veterans Bill he voted for:

S. 479 "Joshua Omvig Veterans Suicide Prevention Act" passed 9/27/2007 with an amendment by Unanimous Consent. H.R. 327 passed and signed by the President on 11/5/07.

Are you going to claim that's still not "anything for Vets"?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Why try to put this back on Hemihead. He provided even further evidence supporting what I have said. That McCain voting record is clearly consistent. Why don't you prove us all wrong.

Don't read the actual record. Why bother. Just go read up on what Rush has said and keep trying to present it as truth. Oh wait! That is what you are doing now. LOL.

You are a ideologue. Not able to see anything without viewing through your own conservative biases and prejudice.

Have a good night. LOL

Posted by: Mike in Sac | July 28, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh, so YOU are the nervous and honest person (anonymous too)?! My mistake. For the record, I've asked 22 questions on this thread. I've never stated anything close to "I think I know all the answers". Why else would I ask so many questions? (23)

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

You are persistent. I give you that, but "consistent" is not contradicted by any one or few instances.

I said he has consistently voted against Veteran's interests and provided evidence to back up my statement. How about you back up what you say? Where is your evidence? Show me some kind of voting pattern that contradicts what I posted. Well, you can't do that because it doesn't exist.

You cannot prove that McCain isn't lying about these issues and cannot refute my evidence because it is TRUE!!!

McCain has not "always" been there for our troops. His ad says that he has "always" been there and that was a blatant lie.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | July 28, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Being nervous...
Common trait...
in that order. Try reading... Oh, forget it JakeD, your a lost cause, looking to popularize yourself in the blogs. Good luck in your endevors.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Jake, I don't know where McCain stands on anyting. I think he votes for things that best serve his friends. Why vote for medical services when that money can be used to support a war that will make money for all kinds of big-shots. Read this, then tell me what McCain stands for. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16124.html#more-16124

Posted by: HemiHead | July 28, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

Sure you are.......

Hey you toe tappers......

Take a break...

I'll keep posting your propaganda while you go down on your polygamist lovers Rush Limpdic and Karl (has folx leaving the GOP in) Droves.

Obama is a:

African native/citizen
Gay
Antichrist
Pledge Non-Speaker
Muslim
Terrorist
Commie
Traitor
Ba-stard child
Pacifist
Marxist shill
Liar

Now I'll add "troop hater" to the list of "opinion base" Republican propaganda.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 28, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

ApostasyUSA:

I am actually registered Independent. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"This is a pretty common trait of most honest people."

Is that what you meant to post?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

A thread in the simulacrum is what you make of it.

Your use of the word "failing" is your slant so quit ba ba ing folx who choose to talk about something other than your precious talking point that Rush Limpdik fed you this week. Please...

By, by angry Republican tragedians.
You won't be missed.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 28, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

7worldtrade:

Which "ad" did Andrea Mitchell claim was false? This thread is about Frank Donatelli's interviews on the morning talk shows, an e-mail from McCain's campaign this morning quoting retired Chief Warrant Officer Michael J. Durant, and an RNC e-mail listing what they said were the 10 different reasons given by Obama and his staff for not visiting the hospital. Did Andrea Mitchell comment on any of that? Regardless of what he's done before, do you agree that Obama was going to visit wounded troops in Germany and then called it off?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I get real nervous being around people who 'think' they know all the answers. This is a pretty common trait of most honest people. We currently have a president that had all the answers. Look where we are now.

Go home JakeD, we recognize your type!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

FYI: this thread is about Obama failing to visit wounded troops in Germany. Does anyone want to defend Obama on that?

There are other threads about sustantive policy issues, i.e. McCain's support on drilling for oil and a proposed Arizona ban on affirmative action -- see threads above.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Andrea Mitchell on NBC who was traveling with Obama said the ad was false. Obama did not invite the press to come with him to the hospital and he visited other hospitals without even telling the press. Mcbush sees his whole campaign going down the tubes so he decides to go Rovian.

Posted by: 7worldtrade | July 28, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous (big-time courage there) at 6:55 PM:

Since I don't spend ANY time trying to sway people's opinions away from the truth, then my visit today to thomas.loc.gov indeed was "more time" reading the Congressional records. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Another meaningless McCain/GOP talking point? Republicans seem to be stuck in the politics of anger.

Please, someone tell where the REAL Republicans are?

Many Americans today have been enlightened by the two wars we find ourselves involved. One war, the "war on terrorism", finds its main battleground in Afghanistan, and it is a war that costs lives and money but the majority of Americans support. Liberals, Democrats, Republicans, Conservatives, most don't have a problem with us kicking down the doors of members of the Taliban.

When talking about the war in Iraq the parties have much difference. Democrats say that the public and congress was mislead to justify the war in Iraq and that the Bush Administration no longer deserves autonomy in situations where US service men and women's lives are on the line. Based on the results of the last Congressional elections, most Americans see a problem with GOP/Republicans; at least in the way they make decisions about the use of our military.

So why is it that in the GOP/Republican party there are no dissenters, no independent thinkers, no moderates? Where are the real conservatives who would laugh at how conservatively the current Republican Party has been spending taxes, and creating big government? Has the Republican Party lost its identity? Can the ideology of the GOP be so easily summed up in Karl Rove talking points like "support this and support that", and angry rhetoric like "liberals are traitors"?

Hello REAL Republicans! Anybody out there?

Posted by: getcentered | July 28, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

No one needs to justify themselves to you, as McCains record speaks for itself.

You need to spend more time reading the Congressional records and less time trying to sway people's opinions away from the truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Wanna see something that will clear up what you think you know about Obama? Go to www.thehumanhybrid.com !

Posted by: TStock | July 28, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

HemiHead:

Thanks for the video. Now, let me ask you whether you think that McCain has ever voted for any Vet bill or has he consistently voted against anything for Vets?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy:

Oh, please don't tell me you are into the whole "small planet" meme from last week?! McCain supports more drilling for oil and a proposed Arizona ban on affirmative action -- see threads above -- isn't that enough policy for one day? We can do that AND trash Obama for failing to visit wounded troops in Germany too.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Jake, Here's a little clip of McCain getting into it with a guy over voting for our Vets medical services at a town hall meeting. McCain was busted cold. http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/mccain-lies-about-his-voting-record-for-veterans/

Posted by: HemiHead | July 28, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

All McCain does is complain about Obama. If he wants to be elected do the right thing: stick to the real issues. Criticize Obama's responses to important issues, but, please come up with affirmative action. That's what we need. Not just Americans, but everyone in this small planet awaits.

Posted by: Jimmy | July 28, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Mike in Sac:

Regardless of those votes, you claimed "he has consistently voted against anything for Vets" -- you didn't place any limitation on that whatsoever -- so, that means even ONE piece of Veteran legislation he voted on 20 years ago proves your claim to be false.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"
Lumin,

Your argument makes no sense. Could it be that the problem you have is that Obama is a black man? Better the white idiot then a black guy?
"

You're partly right, it is about color:

Better a white idiot then a red guy.

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Strange as it may be, I find myself watching both McCain and Obama. McCain for his gaffs (sort of a mind game I play, to see if I can recognize his mistakes) and Obama, because he always has something important to say that addresses the issues I find most important.

I'm a slight bit younger than McCain, and even though I too am a Vietnam vet, I don't think that at my age (or especially McCain's), I would feel that my war history would make me qualified for leading this country. Let's face it, if I were to admit (and I do) that I didn't have the background in economics needed to address the primary problems in this country, what good would my military experience have? Afterall, being commander of a flight group (such was the case with McCain) during a peacetime period, surely wouldn't qualify me to run a nations' military as 'Commander-in-chief'. And even given McCains stint as a senator, supporting bills and influencing various government agencies to 'favor' friends like Donald Diamond (real estate developer - Arizona) in order to get richer, that really isn't the kind of thing that sits too well with voters. That reminds me, I Googled Donald. He is part of McCains campaign. Geez, can he raise money. But then again, it was time to collect on all those IOU's, wasn't it.

Posted by: germanguy | July 28, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Lumin: you've posted 27 times, and we get it - you don't plan to vote for Obama. All of your posts come off like an elementary school child saying, in effect, "so there!"

If you are against Obama, please tell me why you are *FOR* McCain.

Here's why I'm *FOR* Obama:
-He'll shift focus from Iraq (distraction) to Afghanistan & Pakistani tribal region. I never forgot who Osama Bin Laden was, and neither did he.
-He always votes for troop support, medical care, etc.
-He'll improve America's international standing.
-He tells supporters things they don't want to hear (Germany: send more support to Afghanistan)
-He leads towards unity and hope.

So...Why are you *for* the other guy?

Posted by: SonOfHistoryProf | July 28, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have politicized the military, the judiciary branch, and just about every other nook and cranny their corrupt tentacles could reach.

Time for a clean sweep.

See ya!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Lumin,

Your argument makes no sense. Could it be that the problem you have is that Obama is a black man? Better the white idiot then a black guy?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"a communist who hates his own country."

Awe....toe tapper.....you need a hug?

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 28, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

McCain is not a maverick, he's a desperado. Poor desperate John. Poor desperate JakeD. How pathetic!

Posted by: ericmiami | July 28, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I think John McCain is a complete moron as well. I can't stand him.

But better to have a moron than Barack Hussein Obama, a communist who hates his own country.

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain has 1-itis.

Talk about one thing enough...even if it's not true....and the "low information voter" still takes it as justification for voting for the angriest warmonger they can find.

I guess it's a strategy......

In the last 8 years or so Republicans have shown me that they will do anything and everything in their power to keep you from retaining an opinion based on the facts that their incompetence is comprised of.

There seems to be considerable and growing evidence that the November 2008 elections will be a landslide sweep for Democrats up and down the ticket and across the nation. The most recent national polls (e.g., NBC/WSJ) show him widening his lead over McCain across nearly every demographic category - including especially -- 61% of those who identify themselves as having voted for Hillary in the Primaries.

The broad midsection of the American political spectrum (including millions of folks who have not voted in years) seems to have passed the tipping point about who is responsible for the disaster befallen our nation. The Republican mismanagement of George W. Bush's misdirected domestic and foreign policies has placed our nation's economy at serious risk: VERY serious risk.

Bush policies and his attempt to impose an "American style" democracy on a Middle East country after removing its leader by force --has cost America its legitimacy as a world leader. This has resulted in our sharply diminished capacity to leverage the price of oil and control the value of the American dollar. A weaker dollar raises the price of oil, and that impacts our foreign markets - our trade imbalance is getting much worse.

What's more, our friends have lost faith in the U.S.A. Bush has run roughshod over American interests here and abroad to impose his highly suspect worldview on both the American people and those countries that we have long counted as our allies.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 28, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

We are a military family (our daughter is an Army MP) but my respect for Sen. McCain is dropping every day. If this is the worst thing he can find to throw at Sen. Obama, he'd be better off keeping quiet. It's pretty obvious McCain is steamed that Obama's trip went so well and he's trying to pick out one tiny thing to blow up into a scandal. I used to think of him as a dignified person, but this is just petty.

Posted by: Lou in Des Moines | July 28, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

You cannot argue with the facts and I have them. McCain does not support vets as the below clearly shows.

Facts are facts. He is lying when he says he has always supported our troops.

* On Webb's GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.

* Last September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.

* On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical services for fiscal year 2007 -- to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes -- he voted no. He also voted against establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans hospitals.

* In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities.

* In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.

* In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by closing tax loopholes.

This is from the LA Time.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-humes30-2008may30,0,4850795.story


Posted by: Mike in Sac | July 28, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

"Obama doing what he was told by the highest authority was the right thing to do."

"There is no getting away from some facts no matter how you want to spin them."

That's right, the Pentagon gave him a choice:

A. Visit our wounded soldiers without the press.
B. Don't visit them at all.

He choose the latter, because he couldn't stand to visit them without the cameras rolling.

Those are the facts.

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Has nothing to do with running the country.

Posted by: Paul Krause | July 28, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

There is no getting away from some facts no matter how you want to spin them. And that is just what these attacks are, an attempt to get away from some facts. Kind of like somebody caught in a lie that responds by getting angry and accusing somebody else of wrong-doing. Even though it was all there fault.

1. McCain's own trip got almost no media attention and Obama clearly outshined and upstaged him.

2. The Iraq government and the Bush administration now both endorse Obama's position of a time table, even is they call it a Horizon. Oh, and now McCain thinks it is a good idea as well, but don't talk about that. It's all about not visiting troops.

3. Europeans cannot stand our current administration. Bush and the neocons have extremely damaged our international standing in the world. Obama clearly showed that the world sees Obama as able to change that image. That he can dramatically improve our relations. McCain and Bush must hate that.

4. Obama showed that he has the chops to take on diplomacy with the world's leaders. His trip went perfect and he threaded a very narrow needle's eye.

5. Bush now has opened up direct negotiations with Iran. Something Obama has promoted and they (and McCain) said was appeasement. Now it is diplomacy.

6. Obama had the presence and fortitude to go overseas and engage leaders without making this campaign funded trip into something it shouldn't be. Bush's comments on appeasement before the Israel parliament show how politics should stop at the waters edge. Obama did just that.

7. Obama took on McCain and kicked his behind. Spanked him good. McCain challenged Obama to go overseas. He did that with style, grace, and was VERY presidential. He was the stateman to such a degree that people accused him of overstepping and taking a premature victory lap.. Just because he looked SO good doing it. Irony LOL!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse


Maybe you need to write the pentagon. Obama doing what he was told by the highest authority was the right thing to do.

====="You don't get it, there is no "by himself" Obama is the campaign and anything he does is a campaign event even by himself. You can not separate the two no matter how you try."

Wasn't it Obama himself who told the Germans he COULD separate himself from the candidacy?

"Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen".

Why could he only be a "citizen" for Germany, but not for American soldiers?

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 6:10 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"From listening to the reporters/journalists on the trail with the obama campaign....the pentagon was raising a (more than avg) fuss"

Poor Obama, that "fussy" Pentagon is just too powerful for Obama to take time to visit the troops. How can we blame him?

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 6:06 PM:

The PENTAGON spokesman I've seen quoted most was Bryan Whitman -- who denied that the Pentagon had discouraged Obama from visiting the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center -- Obama was "absolutely" told he could visit the troops at Landstuhl, said Whitman.

However, the issue of his visit was dealt with by hospital officials and military officials in Europe familiar with Pentagon guidelines for visits to military installations by a political campaign.

Whitman said Obama is "certainly welcome to visit a military medical facility any time he wants to," as long as that visit was consistent with that of a sitting senator.

He added, "We do have certain policy guidelines for political campaigns and elections and what's appropriate and not appropriate in those situations. But, the Pentagon, to use your words, certainly did not tell the senator that he could not visit Landstuhl."

The spokesman said that because Obama is both a sitting senator and a political candidate, any visit to Landstuhl would have had to be undertaken within the restrictions that apply to both.

"When you are doing things like a visit to Landstuhl you need to do it in your sitting capacity or you have to do it within the restrictions that apply to any other candidate that might be running for office that is not a sitting senator. So you have to be able to draw those distinctions. Generally speaking the military tries very hard not to get involved in political campaigns."

According to Whitman, Senate staffers could have accompanied Obama, but not campaign staffers. "It would be appropriate to do that with your Senate staff and obviously not with your campaign staff." He added that it would be easy to differentiate the two, "either you work for the senator's staff or you work on the campaign staff, it's very different."

Any discussion of cameras or photographers accompanying Obama was "off the table," said Whitman, who stressed that because of privacy issues, no photography is allowed at Landstuhl.

Whitman noted that during his visit to Iraq, Obama visited a military medical facility, but did so under the auspices of his participation in a congressional delegation, a CODEL.

"There's a distinction that he was part of a CODEL for his visit to Iraq and Afghanistan, then he terminated his participation in the CODEL and then went off to do other things," said Whitman.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5449455&page=2

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

So why didn't McCain go when he was there last spring?

Posted by: Diane | July 28, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

He was wrong. Just because some grunt doorman says something that doesn't trump the the pentagon. I doubt he had that authority. Why should Obama take a chance, Hell he did what he was told and look at the heat he is getting.

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From the earlier thread (quoted in detail): "A military spokesman said Obama would have been welcomed as long as he came without a campaign entourage or media."

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 6:04 PM

Posted by: pop a smoke | July 28, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

We have absolutely no idea what the military told Obama. He says they told him to stay away because wounded soldiers should not be used as political props. Obviously, Obama knew that canceling this visit would cause a huge flap in the media. I really doubt he would have canceled unless the military asked him to. He has visited wounded soldiers in the past, and if the military hadn't made a political issue out of this, he would have visited these soldiers as well. Whether or not the media was around had NOTHING to do with this decision.

Posted by: JMoney | July 28, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain supports the troops?

We should talk about McCain and the Republicans failures.

McCain and Republicans were so wrong about our terrorist enemies they went to the wrong country.

Then McCain was wrong just on Iraq so many times......like:

"There's not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shiahs. So I think they can probably get along." [MSNBC, 4/23/03]

......uh what?......or this precious one:

"I'm confident we're on the right course." [ABC News, 3/7/04]

.................or how about the VETO proof GI bill that McCain was against?.......many Democrats and many Republicans supported that bill. CAN'T DENY THAT RIGHT?

........Why, when Congress finally comes together to agree on something, McCain stood with the Neo-con Republican tragedians of our country to stop the bill? I don't get it...........

McCain has lost his way. He supports bringing the troops home, in body bags for a hundred years...............

He wasn't tortured in Viet Nam, according to his own republican standards; he received advanced interrogation techniques, of which he approves of nowadays.

Where are the REAL Republicans?

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 28, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Great post ApostasyUSA. Bush talks about having to remove Saddam the tyrant, but doesn't care about what it costs this country. He uses our countries wealth to create profits for big corporations. This whole war was about profit. Every war is about profit. Look at that 482 billion deficit the next president will be stuck with. The press never reports the real damage. We are trillions in debt and the republicans are already blaming it on the democrats. How can they even make a statement like that. If the dems didn't put money into the economy people would starve. The only thing Bush spends money on is war.

Posted by: HemiHead | July 28, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"You don't get it, there is no "by himself" Obama is the campaign and anything he does is a campaign event even by himself. You can not separate the two no matter how you try."

Wasn't it Obama himself who told the Germans he COULD separate himself from the candidacy?

"Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen".

Why could he only be a "citizen" for Germany, but not for American soldiers?

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Not that anyone will listen to. The only way he can get coverage is to talk about Obama and Obama hardly ever even mentions Mccains name or responds to his attacks. Obama stays so strong on message while Mccain has no message. Mccain should be taking lessons from Obama instead of complaining. This has been the case for months. Mccain thinks this is the 1980's or something. He is still running around doing goofy fundraisers, he did 90 in one month, Mean time Obama out raises him 2 to 1 with no effort at all. Mccain just doesn't know what he is doing and doesn't know what to do about it. He can only win in spite of himself and that is probably not going to happen.

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McCain has become Obamasized! Every time I hear him now, he is talking about Obama. Does he have anything to say about himself or his positions? All he can do is watch Obama's giant steps, and complain. He can't focus on himself or his campaign, because Obamamania has got him too!

Posted by: Elsie | July 28, 2008 5:59 PM

Posted by: pop a smoke | July 28, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Mike in Sac:

McCain had a conflicting study on retention rates. He also voted repeatedly, throughout his career, to ensure that the Veteran's Affairs health care programs receive the funding necessary to serve our veterans. He has supported numerous funding increases, initiatives to make the VA more efficient, and proposals to give higher pay to VA doctors in order to recruit and retain high quality physicians and dentists.

John McCain has worked to ensure that geography does not prevent veterans from receiving the care they have earned. He supported measures to allow veterans in remote areas of Alaska to get care at existing facilities run by the Indian Health Service or tribal organizations. He also rallied support for a demonstration project to send mobile health centers to remote locations where veterans need care. In addition, he sponsored legislation that would ensure that health care funding is distributed fairly, and that eligible veterans in all regions of the country can equally access high quality health care.

Therefore, your contention that "he has consistently voted against anything for Vets" is incorrect. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Damned if he went - damned if he didn't. From listening to the reporters/journalists on the trail with the obama campaign....the pentagon was raising a (more than avg) fuss, so the campaign thought it would be viewed back home as politicizing the troops...go figure.

Posted by: Ben | July 28, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

If you read the explanations given for not visiting the troops at Ramstein AFB, you would seen the following:

Initially, Obama said the visits were scrapped out of respect for the troops and to avoid making the visits part of the campaign, in addition to which Pentagon rules bar such visits.

A military spokesman (not Pentagon spokesman) said Obama would have been welcomed as long as he came without a campaign entourage or media. The real question remains, who was this 'military spokesman'? And had you read the regulations referred to by the Pentagon, you would correctly understand to position Obama was in, in making the right decision.

Get your facts straight my friend. Don't follow the misguided efforts of the MSM in trying to portray Obama as unpatriotic. It is a waste of people's time in reading such 'rants' on these blogs.


Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

From the earlier thread (quoted in detail): "A military spokesman said Obama would have been welcomed as long as he came without a campaign entourage or media."

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I see someone mentioned Obama's preacher hating America again. Look, the man gave 6 years of his life serving this country in the Marine Corps. What have you ever given this country besides taxes? Rev. Wright hates racism, bigotry, and destructive foreign policies and I don't blame him one bit because these things are thriving in America. And not very surprisingly it's mostly the McCain supporters who seem to exemplify those 3 vices. According to some of you, I'd be unpatriotic for not hating blacks, thinking that there aren't concrete cultural inequalities between genders/races, and thinking the best way to let someone know you're upset with them is by bombing they're civilians.

Posted by: Andrew, New Orleans | July 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

That whole story about decreasing retention as the reason why McCain didn't support the GI Bill is nonsense. The analysis on this predicted a net zero loss as it would also increase enlistment.

The sad story about McCain is that he doesn't really support our troops. He voted against requiring dwell time, meaning against a minimum time at home for soldiers prior to redeployment, and against improving facilities serving Veterans.

McCain's statement, "I have always been there for our troops" is a lie. As a Vet I follow this and he has consistently voted against anything for Vets.

Go sell his lies and excuses somewhere else as this is a very serious issue. People if he won't even vote for improving programs and services to Vets coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan why do you think he will do anything for you?

He won't.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | July 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Jim:

The "retired" general was on Obama's campaign staff.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Will the Real Tax-and-Spender Please 'Fess Up?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/us/politics/13check.html

"McCain is picking the areas where rates go up and ignoring the areas where Obama is trying to rebalance the tax code so that taxpayers would save," said John Irons, research and policy director at the Economic Policy Institute, which is generally viewed as sympathetic to working families. Mr. Irons said that "the important thing is to look at overall impact on people" and that on this score, "the vast majority of the population, almost the entirety of the middle class, would see more from Obama than McCain."

Economists have also criticized the methodology behind Mr. McCain's assertion that Americans from all kinds of backgrounds could end up paying thousands of dollars more in taxes if Mr. Obama got his way. Several criticized him as apparently basing his claim on an average figure in which, as Mr. Irons said, "Bill Gates is mixed with you and me, and everything gets skewed."


McCain's Small-Business Bunk
He claims 23 million small-business owners would pay higher tax rates under Obama. He's wrong. The vast majority would see no change, and many would get a cut.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/146210

These fools will lie right to your face and have for years. I'll trust a Republican as far as I can spit.

Posted by: getcentered | July 28, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

pop a smoke:

Allow me to clarify then. Are you claiming that the military told Obama he could not visit the troops even if he left his campaign entourage / media behind? I've followed the news pretty closely, and I have not seen that reported anywhere.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

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Lumin,

It wouldn't matter if he went by himself or with others. The trips was paid for by the campaign, thus making it a campaign visit.

That isn't too hard to understand. Have some coffee or something.
".

And show me the quote backing up your statement. They never said he couldn't go because he was using campaign money.

This is what Obama's campaign said:

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs, on Morning Joe, this morning: "We never said that the Pentagon prevented us from going."

So even your guy admits nobody stopped them.

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama Needed a Witness

He was meeting with people that report to Bush. It would have been Obama's word against Bush's people.

There was no reason to refuse a retired military general. I am sure the troops would have enjoyed any visitors, especially someone that know the military.

Posted by: Jim | July 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

McCain has become Obamasized! Every time I hear him now, he is talking about Obama. Does he have anything to say about himself or his positions? All he can do is watch Obama's giant steps, and complain. He can't focus on himself or his campaign, because Obamamania has got him too!

Posted by: Elsie | July 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

You don't get it, there is no "by himself" Obama is the campaign and anything he does is a campaign event even by himself. You can not separate the two no matter how you try.
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"You are either buying the lies or spreading them yourself. He was told because the trip was paid with with political money he could not go, not even by himself. He may even have been physically blocked from going if he had tried. Sorry your lies don't fly here there are too many informed people."

So Obama is too poor to pay for his own taxi to visit the troops without using money from his doners?

Who's lying, show me the quote that said he could not go by himself?
Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 5:48 PM

Posted by: pop a smoke | July 28, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"lumin = toe tapping Republican propagandist tool!!

Hmmm....how is down there between rush's sweaty legs?
"

Great comeback. If it makes you feel better about yourself, keep it coming.

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Lumin,

It wouldn't matter if he went by himself or with others. The trips was paid for by the campaign, thus making it a campaign visit.

That isn't too hard to understand. Have some coffee or something.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Read what I just posted. It still would have been a campaign event even if he went by himself. The trip in Germany was funded by his campaign.

As a Veteran I can understand not wanting to politicize the troops, especially those wounded. Ironic McCain ended up being the one to do that.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

You have run completely out of gas on this one, look around for a new thread. ou are not even making sense anymore.

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"You are either buying the lies or spreading them yourself. He was told because the trip was paid with with political money he could not go, not even by himself. He may even have been physically blocked from going if he had tried. Sorry your lies don't fly here there are too many informed people."

So Obama is too poor to pay for his own taxi to visit the troops without using money from his doners?

Who's lying, show me the quote that said he could not go by himself?
Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 5:48 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

lumin = toe tapping Republican propagandist tool!!

Hmmm....how is down there between rush's sweaty legs?

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 28, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse


If this is all they got, a silly thing like this that by the way, MCCAIN THROUGH THE WHITE HOUSE created, then they have nothing. They think they know how to play hard but they just come off again like amateurs. I hope they play that sill ad they made in every market. It is a testament to what fools and idiots they are. So far it wins the award as the dumbest political move of the season.

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Another flood of comments from sniveling republican babies trying to find any little thing they can to bash Obama!! damned if he does, damned if he doesn't --- You guys are truly pathetic.

Posted by: Impeach Bush! | July 28, 2008 5:43 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"You are either buying the lies or spreading them yourself. He was told because the trip was paid with with political money he could not go, not even by himself. He may even have been physically blocked from going if he had tried. Sorry your lies don't fly here there are too many informed people."

So Obama is too poor to pay for his own taxi to visit the troops without using money from his doners?

Who's lying, show me the quote that said he could not go by himself?

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Mike and Anonymous at 5:42 PM:

Do you have a link for the assertion that any military personnel told the Obama campaign he could NOT visit by himself? That would indeed change the story (and would be Official Obama Reason #12 ; )

theo:

You will note that I can do both. The "good reason" that McCain opposed (he didn't vote against it, even though he had offered his own version) Webb's GI Bill was the very real concern it would decrease retention rates. The VA is underfunded and understaffed because the federal government is spending too much money on programs and activities never intended under the original intent of our LIMITED Constitution. Afghanistan and bin Laden have not been solved because larger problems in Iraq and Israel remain. While I disagree that any of those larger problems are the result of "blunders", the Democrats took office after the 2006 election and haven't gotten us out of Iraq either. Speaker Pelosi even took impeachment OFF THE TABLE. What's up with that?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Hagel says it is inappropriate for McCain to question Obama's patriotism.

Really? I think this laundry list of unpatriotic acts by Barack Hussein Obama is bordering treason:

* Sat in the pews of a pastor who hates America for 20 years.
* Refused to wear an American flag pin.
* Refused to put his hand on his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance.
* Skipped a visit to wounded US soldiers so he could flatter 200,000 Germans about America's mistakes.

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

The truth is, McCain would've attacked Obama no matter what happened. That's why he wanted Obama to go on the trip in the first place. That's why all the press tagged along. McCain wanted something that would sink Obama and he lost. Now he has to make stuff up. The people are going to see right through this. Do you know Obama left a prayer in the Western wall when he was in Israel and someone took it out and published it in the newspaper. How friggin low will this election go. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/27/student-apologizes-for-stealing-obama-prayer-from-western-wall/

Posted by: HemiHead | July 28, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Right on Nancy!!!

"find out if McCain's folks was in touch with the Pentagon to put Obama in between the rock and the hard place."

I wouldn't put it past the current leadership at the Pentagon or McCain to pull this over on Obama.

The GOP tools are running out of talking points, so I guess this new line makes sense:

"Obama hates the troops" (repeat after me)

I love it when the meat-head toe tapping puppets only have one thing to talk about.

Republicans are deserting their Party's "brand name" and lining up to sweep the entire party's slate of national and state candidates into the dustbin. And, Independent voters are turning their backs on the GOP. National Security starts at home with a strong economy.

The story across this summer will be the national outrage at what the Republicans have done to our economy.

Events are overtaking the national dialogue about race and gender -- we are Americans first and we have started doing something about the attack on our national wellbeing.

All Republicans must go---all must be pushed from their seats of power -- and cast aside in 2008. Every single Republican candidate must be held accountable for their support of the Bush Presidency and its horrendous impact on our nation.

From Maine to Hawaii --- Republicans must be defeated so that we can restore our American priorities and American values. They had their chance -they chose to support Bush - they chose to borrow, borrow, borrow and then -spend and spend and spend -- now they must pay.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 28, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Another flood of comments from sniveling republican babies trying to find any little thing they can to bash Obama!! damned if he does, damned if he doesn't --- You guys are truly pathetic.

Posted by: Impeach Bush! | July 28, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

You are either buying the lies or spreading them yourself. He was told because the trip was paid with with political money he could not go, not even by himself. He may even have been physically blocked from going if he had tried. Sorry your lies don't fly here there are too many informed people.

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"The cancellation left a hole in his schedule that he filled by calling the soldiers on the phone and talking to them for several hours."

Uh, yeah...after he got attacked for not going!!

So he speaks to 200,000 Germans, but he can only afford 1 phone call to Wounded American Soldiers?

For all of you saying that the Pentagon "blocked" Obama from going - that is utter crap. They said he could go WITHOUT press in tow. What's so hard for you libs to understand?

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 5:38 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Chief Warrant Officer Michael J. Durant is an American hero whose has served his country with distinction both before and after his unfortunate capture and kidnapping by a Somali warlord in Mogadishu (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Durant). His Blackhawk helicopter was the second of two shot down using RPGs, a subject of a book and movie titled "Blackhawk Down." I find it amazing that the Washington Post and apparently many of its readers don't care about his opinion and, in fact, apparently don't even know who he is. Our society is so fragmented that we spend less time thinking about our military than we do watching the Simpsons. We are at war in two countries. Extremists and those who support them number in the millions. They mean to do us harm. Preventing this is the US military, a group who sacrifices much and requires little from us. Currently, our military members have never been more professional. Treat them badly, and I doubt that will last.

Posted by: DougD | July 28, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama's visit to Germany was paid for by his campaign. His Senate staff had all gone home by then. If that part of this trip had been part of his congressionally paid fact finding trip with Hagel then he could have done with no problem.

The problem was that this portion of the trip, in Germany, was paid for by his camaign. Making a visit a campaign event and thus open to accusations of politicizing wounded soldiers. Even though no media had been invited.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | July 28, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, and what does Mccain do, he exploits the wounded soldiers for his own political purposes. Mccain the merchant of hate. He would be so proud of his many suckers, excuse me followers who post here. They are all he has and lets give him credit, Its hard to find this many stupid people in one place.

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Wow, can't McCain read?

The Pentagon officials told Obama not to go to visit. So Obama heeded the direction of the administration to stop him from visiting the wounded troops. Clearly they told him not to go.

So, if Obama went anyway then McCain would have whined that "Obama didn't listen to the military". Instead McCain just whines and whines his current refrain that "Obama didn't visit". What a whiner. I sure am glad that Whiner McCain is not going to be our next president.

Posted by: Mr Oh | July 28, 2008 5:34 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"The cancellation left a hole in his schedule that he filled by calling the soldiers on the phone and talking to them for several hours."

Uh, yeah...after he got attacked for not going!!

So he speaks to 200,000 Germans, but he can only afford 1 phone call to Wounded American Soldiers?

For all of you saying that the Pentagon "blocked" Obama from going - that is utter crap. They said he could go WITHOUT press in tow. What's so hard for you libs to understand?

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Mr Oh:

Clearly, they told him not to go IF he was going to bring his campaign entourage / media -- simply following standard military guidelines in place to prevent campaigning on bases -- nothing, and no one, prevented Senator Obama from visiting the wounded trooops by himself.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

...Perhaps a little more belongs in this story. McCain claims Obama didn't want to go without media. However, Obama didn't take media with him to visit troops in Iraq. Why not use some old fashioned Washington Post initiative instead of just aping the McCain comments and giving out free ink by the barrel--find out if McCain's folks was in touch with the Pentagon to put Obama in between the rock and the hard place.

Posted by: Nancy | July 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

give it up already. obama has visited the troops a number of times. stop the sentimental emotional distractions and get down to concrete things that matter.

what was the good reason that mccain vote down the new gi bill of rights? why are our va underfunded and understaffed? why is afghanistan and bin laden still an open festering sore 5 years later?

stop the switching and baiting baloney of the past 2 elections. it's been 7 years of blunders and for what? enough already.

Posted by: theo | July 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

JMoney:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/28/at_inland_oil_field_mccain_aga.html#comments

Citizen, mcs, csdiego and ceflynline:

"Obama was politely ordered not to visit."

Is that Official Reason # 11?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

The cancellation left a hole in his schedule that he filled by calling the soldiers on the phone and talking to them for several hours.

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There is NO EXCUSE for Barack Obama skipping his visit to the troops in Germany.

I say that if you are going to error, error on the side of the troops. There would have been less of a backlash by the GOP if he just would have gone without the press. How could the GOP spin it negatively if he had left behind the cameras?

That's why this whole situation smells fishy to me. I think Obama didn't see the opportunity as a chance to help his campaign, so he didn't go.

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 5:29 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow, can't McCain read?

The Pentagon officials told Obama not to go to visit. So Obama heeded the direction of the administration to stop him from visiting the wounded troops. Clearly they told him not to go.

So, if Obama went anyway then McCain would have whined that "Obama didn't listen to the military". Instead McCain just whines and whines his current refrain that "Obama didn't visit". What a whiner. I sure am glad that Whiner McCain is not going to be our next president.

Posted by: Mr Oh | July 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey McCain....

Say "understands" again!!

Mmmmyyyyy.....freeeiiinnnddsss... He he...

Please....McTool.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/27/sen-hagel-criticizes-mccain-ad/
"I do not think that ad was appropriate," Hagel said in an appearance on CBS-TVs "Face the Nation." Obama's staff was advised by the Pentagon about the military's concerns with Obama bringing his political campaign to see soldiers there, his advisers have said.

Hagel jumped into a discussion of the McCain ad between CBS host Bob Schieffer and Sen. Jack Reed (D., R.I.), who called the ad "completely distorted." Reed and Hagel had accompanied Obama to Afghanistan and Iraq as part of an official "congressional delegation." Hagel said that it would have been wrong for Obama, as part of his campaign-financed political trip, to visit troops at the U.S. hospital in Germany after the official congressional trip had ended.

Hagel said that if Obama had visited the U.S. hospital at that point, he would be "using our wounded men and women as props for his campaign." Obama "probably did the right thing," Hagel said, adding that Obama, he and Reed visited troops "everywhere" in Iraq during their congressional trip.

Posted by: Citizen | July 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

John McKeating has nothing else to throw at him. McKeatings campaign is in a shambles and all he can come up with is this non-issue. They would have harped on this even if Obama had visited them.

Posted by: mcs | July 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who takes these attacks seriously would never vote for Obama anyway.

Posted by: csdiego | July 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"As I noted on the previous thread: the following facts are not "ambiguous" at all:
1) Initially, Obama said the visits were scrapped out of respect for the troops and to avoid making the visits part of the campaign.
2) A later Obama statement blamed the cancellation on Pentagon rules that bar such visits.
3) A military spokesman said Obama would have been welcomed as long as he came without a campaign entourage or media.
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 4:43 PM

Hey Jake D: It seems pretty obvious to me, to, but I was once an enlisted man, and learned that when my Sergeant said "Private, do you think you might do a better job of cleaning this rifle?" I wasn't foolish enough to tell him no. I went back and did a better job of cleaning the rifle.

The Pentagon HAS admitted that in essence they said, "Don't try it." and Barack was at least as smart as an ordinary private soldier, and didn't.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | July 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

There is NO EXCUSE for Barack Obama skipping his visit to the troops in Germany.

I say that if you are going to error, error on the side of the troops. There would have been less of a backlash by the GOP if he just would have gone without the press. How could the GOP spin it negatively if he had left behind the cameras?

That's why this whole situation smells fishy to me. I think Obama didn't see the opportunity as a chance to help his campaign, so he didn't go.

Posted by: lumin | July 28, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain should be ashamed, and veterans everywhere should be offended by his attempt to used injured servicemen as political pawns. It's sad.

Posted by: Bad Idea | July 28, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

What a bogus farce. The visit was not on his schedule, meaning no media were invited, and yet it was supposed to be a media circus event.

Meanwhile McCain resorts to basically accusing Obama of being treasonous. What a load. Get a grip.

McCain can't talk issues as his positions are identical to Bush's so the only thing he can do is attack Obama's character.

Weak and, worse, it comes off as desperate. They know that his overseas trip was a huge success and are trying to hijack that story.

McCain is an angry and irritable old man who has sold out and become bitter. His gaffes are becoming famous and the media are complicit in covering them up.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | July 28, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline:

"Polite order"?! LOL -- do you really think the Pentagon would have stopped Senator Obama from coming to visit by himself?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Dam McCain........

Pick up the needle....your going to ruin the record.

McCain has transformed himself into a neo-con tragedian. Great.

It's become the classic response of the fossilized right-wing status quo:

Create a grotesquely distorted caricature, broadcast the delusion at the top of your lungs, and hope that you manage to reinforce just enough cynicism and hopelessness to ensure the election of someone who truly cares only for funneling all of the country's wealth and power into the hands of a tiny, corrupt elite.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 28, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 5:13 PM:

No. Are you?

JMoney:

Of course Obama wanted to visit the troops (with world-wide media broadcasting the images). A private visit, not so much.

As for substantive policy matters, there's a new thread up about increased oil drilling -- I'll be happy to discuss that with you over there -- the Washington Times bores me too.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Informed by the Pentagon that He wouldn't be allowed to use Military Casualties in Germany in any political way, Barack took the polite order to stay away for what it was, a polite order, and stayed away.

Thereupon John found every way he could to use military casualties in Germany for political purposes. Perhaps the DOD would give John a subtle hint ala the hint they gave Obama, and tell him to "just shut up and soldier, Senator."

Not likely, though, as long as Dick Vader is in charge of the country.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | July 28, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

It is just so sad to see him spiral down like this.....

Posted by: Rick | July 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Mccain dead yet?

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Give it up, my fellow racists. The hosiptal visit is already become a non issue. Only McCain is raving about it....I guess he has to because he has nothing and is 9 point down in the polls. Even though it makes him look like a raving lunatic with no solutions for the nations problems.

Posted by: Playa | July 28, 2008 5:13 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I love that this NON STORY gets a THIRD day of big time coverage, yet the fact that McCain just last week tried to take credit for the Anbar Awakening by LYING about when it started was barely reported at all, and was COVERED UP by CBS News. Do you right wing nut jobs really think that Obama didn't want to visit the troops? Would you maybe like to discuss a substantive policy matter, of which there are many these days, instead of this meaningless tripe? Go post on Washington Times if you want to persist with this mindless drivel.

Posted by: JMoney | July 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I know the truth hurts (the last time I will ask you):

Do you oppose McCain's position on NAFTA?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

JOHN MCCAIN, TRADER TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.


Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442

Posted by: I know the truth hurts | July 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Playa:

I am not a "racist" nor do I think I am "raving" about it. I believe Obama's failure to visit wounded troops in Germany is a legitimate campaign issue though.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Give it up, my fellow racists. The hosiptal visit is already become a non issue. Only McCain is raving about it....I guess he has to because he has nothing and is 9 point down in the polls. Even though it makes him look like a raving lunatic with no solutions for the nations problems.

Posted by: Playa | July 28, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Temper and senior moments will do it you.

Posted by: COL. A.M.Khajawall [Ret] | July 28, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Susan:

Maybe if Obama gets to 100 different versions of why he didn't go, you will be "interested"?

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh, yes, and if he would have gone to visit the troops on a trip funded by his campaign, then the GOP crybabies would say this was just a political stunt.

This whole visit/non-visit thing is yesterday's news. Got anything interesting to whine about? No?

Posted by: Susan | July 28, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

LAMM01:

(From the srticle) "Also today, the RNC put out another e-mail listing what they said were the 10 different reasons given by Obama and his staff for not visiting the hospital."

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it. When Obama found out he couldn't have his trail of syphocants with him, he cancelled his visit to the troops. When he found out that he couldn't use the opportunity to have his face splashed all over the nightly news, he cancelled his trip. It had nothing to do with the Pentagon or anyone else... He tried to explain his way out of it (last count was 5 different versions), but we know the truth. If it's not an opportunity to feed his overwhelming ego and arrogance, he won't do it. Oh, did I mention that he mentioned about 100 times of how he visited Walter Reed Hospital about 4 months ago.. How big of him.... Is hits guy a loser or what? Wake up America.....

Posted by: LAMM01 | July 28, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

As I noted on the previous thread: the following facts are not "ambiguous" at all:

1) Initially, Obama said the visits were scrapped out of respect for the troops and to avoid making the visits part of the campaign.

2) A later Obama statement blamed the cancellation on Pentagon rules that bar such visits.

3) A military spokesman said Obama would have been welcomed as long as he came without a campaign entourage or media.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

GO MCCAIN, ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

Posted by: JakeD | July 28, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

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