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McCain Economic Adviser Calls US 'A Nation of Whiners'


Presidential candidate John McCain, flanked by his wife, Cindy and former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm, with his wife Wendy, looks at his notes while addressing the media at the Swift Aviation hangar in Phoenix, Ariz., March 8, 2008. (Ricky Carioti/The Washington Post)

By Jonathan Weisman
Former senator Phil Gramm, a top policy adviser of Sen. John McCain's, said the nation is in a "mental recession," not an actual one, and suggested the United States has "become a nation of whiners."

The interview, published in in the Washington Times, could compound the problems of the presumptive Republican nominee as he tries to show his concern for Americans struggling with six months of job losses, near-stagnant economic growth, and soaring energy and food costs. It comes after McCain appeared to call the system that has financed Social Security since its inception "a disgrace."

"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," Gramm said, noting that growth has held up at about 1 percent despite all the publicity over losing jobs to India, China, illegal immigration, housing and credit problems and record oil prices. "We may have a recession; we haven't had one yet."

"We have sort of become a nation of whiners," Gramm said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline" despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy.

Since McCain admitted last winter that the economy was not his strong suit, he has made a concerted effort to look smarter on the issue, stressing his sympathies and saying whenever he can that he understands Americans are hurting. But Gramm is a close friend and adviser, and his words could haunt the senator from Arizona.

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Big Daddy or is it wanna be King Daddy? I am the other Michael reading your posts and you are so predictable. Yes your a clone made by the GOP to rant arrogance without using your thought process before you communicate anything worth reading. Your part of the reason why we are in the situations, that your kind refuse to think about these days. Your understanding of the economy and social studies and even business sense is poor and I suggest you attend grammar school for refreshment focus. Better yet put the word "true democracy in your focus instead of "artificial democracy" for the few! Status Quo equals very boring via debate!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: 71ceri7aie | July 15, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Whiners... I've been discussing just this subject with members of the largest segment of the population ever to reach retirement age... When these people started working, the government promised to keep the money they paid in social security safe, but instead squandered it away on various special interest projects so they wouldn't have to commit the politically unpopular task of asking for tax money.
Now that these people have reached the precipice and end of their ability to earn any longer, the corrupt pirates who stole from their fund tell them to go and start over to prepare for retirement.
The U.S. is considering or has made reparations for injustices to East Timor, African slaves, victims of sexual abuse, Japanese interned during WW2, ethnic Hawaiians, clean-up of the Bikini atolls, native Americans, injustices committed during wars or warlike actions, aviation businesses closed down by the government edict following 911... anyway, hundreds if not thousands of reparation efforts underway or already settled. But, there's absolutely nothing for the majority middle class working people who footed the bulk of collected taxes the last 50 years... Whose retirement was stolen out from underneath them, leaving a nearly collapsed retirement program which THEY paid for?
It makes you wonder how government could ever in good conscience prosecute labor leaders for stealing from their own member's pension funds. If there ever was any difference between union thugs and politicians, it has surely vaporized?

Posted by: TerrifiedCitizen | July 13, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Here McCain is low in the polls and the Republicans can't even shut-up long enough to give their party a good image. How many people who are deciding for whom to vote in the upcoming elections has Gramm's comments turned off? How many Republicans or undecided voters have lost their jobs in the last few years and are feeling at least some of the blame goes to Bush's domestic economic policies or the lack thereof? How many Republicans or undecided voters are feeling the stress in the current economic crisis?

You can't really say to much about Gramm's intelligence. Whiners is such a childish comment. It sounds like a child in the playground talking about another.

When it comes to domestic policies, if image, as oppose to substance, is the only thing the Republican Party stands for, then keep that image up, Gramm, (Please!) by keeping your childish comments private among elitist Republican friends!

Posted by: Ann | July 12, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

So this is McCain's principal economic advisor? Shows what four years of a McCain administration would be like. These people have no sympathy for any kind of Americans but millionaires.

Posted by: Tom in California | July 11, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Ironic, isn't it, that Gramm already is "whining" about how his comments were misinterpreted? They weren't. And given his position as one of McCain's top advisers, this is fair warning -- to those clueless enough to still be in doubt -- about the kinds of economic policies that we can expect from a McCain Administration. The biggest question is whether the media will give McCain a free pass on this, as they have with so many other things, and as they did with Governor Bush in 2000. "Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it."

Posted by: lydgate | July 11, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I have not seen in this story how was he responsible for the ENRON loophole, and how he profited from it after he become exeutive at RBS, and how his wife also profited from it by getting job ate ENRON after she lef the CFTC.

Posted by: Tony | July 11, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow how interesting that a political con would grandstand attitudes questioned by others. So there is truth in scandal and corruption. Former Senators with questionable histories hide there small tears and who cares!

Posted by: Michael Fermanich | July 11, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

I did not take a risky loan, I got a low fixed rate and shortened the term but after the hurricanes in 04 my insurance and taxes jumped raising my payment by $600 a month.My company's building and infrastructure was wiped out in those three hurricanes that hit and we were told by the SBA that our cash flow was'nt good enough for a low interest loan.(if our cash flow was good we would not have needed a loan. We followed the money and the largest loan grantee was Walmart the purveyor of chinese crap (go figure)). Gore and Clinton had already given a chunk of my industry to China just when we were starting to clear the R&D investment. Outsourcing took hold and we lost another chunk to India.We survived all of that without any help from uncle Sam but his constant meddling in our industry gave another chunk under the free trade act to Mexico. If it wasn't for government interference we would have weathered the crunch we are in now but our customers are cutting back, folding and downsizing while all our costs are escalating as a result I was forced to start liquidating inventories and had to lay off 75% of my employees some of which are like family as they have been with me for 20 years. I haven't taken a paycheck in 6 weeks and have been selling everything thats not nailed down to survive. Next week my family is leaving to live with foreign relatives. We have been eating rice and have cut back on everything(yes we have even been using coupons and buying only what is absolutely necessary and then only when its been onsale.(The sales rotate a little so if you buy ahead you can save alot.)) In order to function we have to buy gas but we have not been able to raise prices sufficiently to cover the doubling of the cost without pricing ourselves out of the market as we compete with the big boys getting the government handouts and incentives. I need the government to get out of the way with their free trade. I need fair trade. The Fed needs to stop screwing the dollar by printing more and more money. Our Goverment and the Fed are the driving force behind inflation. Inflation is killing me and everyone else in the SMB market. Fighting a war we cannot afford, printing money to fund it so that the oil industry, and their conglomerate buddies that have our political representatives in their back pocket can make a fortune while the rest of the nation suffers.
For McCains buddy Gramm to have the unmitigated gaul to say we are not in a recession and its some sort of imaginary crisis tells me that the men in the ivory towers are completely out of touch with reality. I was a republican till I heard that. Now, I will be seriously looking at a third party and voting against every incumbant on the ticket no matter what party affiliation they have.

Posted by: Fedup Floridian | July 11, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

THANKS PHIL GRAMM, YOU JUST WON ME THE ELECTION.

Posted by: Obama | July 10, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

willey:
did you use the google and search the internets to find that summary of our government that doesn't disagree with anything i said

big daddy:
why do republicans resort to name calling and questioning someone's manhood when they have nothing substantive to say

i invite you to respond to me with something other than "nyah nyah boo boo stick your head in doo doo" if you stop dragging your knuckles long enough to type something

Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

It's good that the McCain team is coordinating their talking points, as John McCain's been talking about how the problems with the economy, gas prices, energy, et al, and his proposals to solve them, are 'mostly psychological', for months now.

Alternative energy? McCain will harness the power of the subconscious, store it in a science-contest-prize battery, and use it to power your new 'horseless carriage'.

Go McCain!

http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/

Posted by: Christina West | July 10, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Big Daddy, I agree. But the fact regarding the shorter life of the kids is that they get no exercise and are grossly overweight.

I hope to be like one of my grand-fathers who lived to 101 with not many problems, and my mother who only passed away five years ago at 97-1/2. Was not hospitalized until the end.
Exercise and hard work does it, I hope. LOL

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Willy,

Maybe maybe not with regards to the shorter life span.

Have a lot of good people (some of mine included) basically rotting away in a nursing home with alzheimers or what have you. sometimes there are aspects of a "long life" that are much overrated.

It depends on how those last 10 -15 - 20 years are played or lived out.

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Big Daddy...

"It is the greedy morons who keep buying it up and holding it... they need to get fried!"

Don't you just HATE when that happens. Boo-Hoo. ;)

Posted by: Gottaluvit | July 10, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

For once I would like to see a candidate stop talking about what they are going to do... (which is ridiculous in and of itself... because at the end of the day what they do does not affect the macro-economics of the country.) But rather talk about what the PEOPLE can do... because that will affect the macro-economics of the USA and the world as a whole!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

It all boils down to this: You've heard the old one about "the times they are a-changin"?

Nope, they've already changed while we were fiddling. It's time to tighten up and live within our means.

Just saw on the internet, where this generation of kids is the first in decades who can expect to live shorter lives than their parents. Scary? Maybe we've had it too good??

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

gottaluvit:

All I have to say is, eventually when investing you... "gottasellit!" And "Take the money and run...!"

It is the greedy morons who keep buying it up and holding it... they need to get fried! And it is usually large entities who do that... other countries, banks, etc.

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

But edited to say, releasing a portion of the strategic reserves does NOT help us in the long run. Conservation and new alternatives are the answer (and smaller cars). Now let's hear it from the whiners about the smaller cars.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"This is very reminiscent of Jimmy Carter's remark before the 1980 elections that the nation's economy was gripped by a "malaise", which many people believe ultimately led to his failure to win a second term as President of the United States."

Then there was no doubt that the economy WAS in a malaise.

JC was the first president that I voted for and was the object lesson I learned in that I vote for the best candidate, not the "best" party.

Posted by: Gottaluvit | July 10, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"If we were smart:

Could have bought oil futures when it was $45 per barrel... and would have all but trippled your money to date!

That $10,000 would now be $30,000-"

Maybe we are smarter. This oil bubble is likely to burst some day and those same speculators may be in the same situation as a bunch of sorry real estate "flippers" are right now.

Posted by: Gottaluvit | July 10, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

This is very reminiscent of Jimmy Carter's remark before the 1980 elections that the nation's economy was gripped by a "malaise", which many people believe ultimately led to his failure to win a second term as President of the United States. When Carter made this remark, the GOP jumped all over him. Well, the shoe is now on the other foot, and it'll be amusing to watch McSame's attempts to wiggle out of this one. Malaise is defined as: "a general feeling of worry, discontent, or dissatisfaction, often resulting in lethargy." To me, there is no difference between what Carter said and Phil Gramm is now saying as part of McSame's campaign.

Posted by: caliguy55 | July 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Big Daddy, you could have beaten that price. Where I live, in 1931, in the Saudi Arabia of the USA, oil went to 10 CENTS PER BARREL.
The governor called out the guard to shut down the wells. Supply and demand.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Fixing the loopholes?? I can fix it a lot faster than that, (they will probably not be fixed).
Here is where I differ from my compatriots a bit. Release a good portion of the strategic reserve (not enough to put us in danger), and the speculators will be sorry they speculated.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Democrats promised in 2006 if they were elected they would lower gas prices. Since then they have almost doubled. How many pieces of related legislation did democrats and republicans try to pass in 2007 and early 2008?

So speculation was invisible as a potential contributor to gas prices until during the election cycle? How convenient. This means either the democrats never intended to fulfill their promise or they are too dumb to figure out ecomonic changes to stem the high gas prices (judging how they can't seem to understand econ101 supply and demand).

The "Enron" loophole is another piece of liberal fear mongering. Those who claim republicans are the fear mongerers what about libs and global warming? At least terrorism happened.

Posted by: Cryos | July 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

If we were smart:

Could have bought oil futures when it was $45 per barrel... and would have all but trippled your money to date!

That $10,000 would now be $30,000-

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"Take it from one who spent his work lifetime in the energy field. Oil is $4.00 gallon (BTW it's 3.89 here), because of speculators, who could be stopped immediately, if congress had the b---s, and government policy (taxes), and supply and demand."

It's because the speculators making all that money are the politicians themselves or the ones feeding them money. They aren't going to cut off their own face despite their nose.

Posted by: Gottaluvit | July 10, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Liberal constituents:

Jessie "What the hell's in your mouth" Jackson

Al "White folk pay taxes I don't" Sharpton

Fat hog former "queen of nice"

Calipso Louie "nation of slime" Farakhan

Jimmy "can't find the peanuts" Carter

Billy "get on your knees please" Clinton

Majority of the clouded View

Janet "gender identiy crisis" Napalitano

Jennifer "I'm really a Canadian" Granholm

Ted "Envious of my brothers... So I drink... a lot" Kennedy

Majority of HollyWEIRD flakes who play make-believe for a living.

Need I go on... pathetic... Really!

They are like the poster children for misfits! I would be ashamed to associate myself with such undesireables!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

willy, would not the repeal of the Enron and London loopholes help stop the speculators? also, is there not legislation pending that would repeal these loopholes?

Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"there are too many examples of republican corruption to note here, also corruption is a human failing and not the result of any political leaning"

Ah...Democrats are immune to corruption as well. I say give them all sainthoods then.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "see the people to McBush's left? they both helped create the mess we're in now; Phil worked on legislation that facilitated the suprime crisis, his wife worked on the Enron loophole that has helped get gas to $4/gal (there is also a "London Loophole" that has helped increase gas prices - please research these for yourselves)"

Take it from one who spent his work lifetime in the energy field. Oil is $4.00 gallon (BTW it's 3.89 here), because of speculators, who could be stopped immediately, if congress had the b---s, and government policy (taxes), and supply and demand. Drivers in some European cities, like Amsterdam and Oslo, are paying nearly 3 times more than those in the U.S. The democrats see to it that the demand part is not being met with don't drill there, and don't drill here, and don't spend any money on alternatives, (and I don't mean corn produced energy). Don't put your nuclear plant anywhere near my place, etc.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"republicans use moral issues as a wedge to stay in power; they only care about power and wealth"

And Democrats don't?

Posted by: Gottaluvit | July 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

there are too many examples of republican corruption to note here, also corruption is a human failing and not the result of any political leaning

also, to the poster regarding Bubba earlier; can we all just get over the bj?
we're all wearing the blue dress now

Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Yep right on Big Daddy. I've had to buckle down some and make compromises since the belt is getting tighter but my first impulse is to look inward to see what I can change to improve my situation.

Something I think has been lost is what I consider the basic logic to attach freedoms with responsibility. I am fine with people having the freedom to do what they want IF they are willing to have the freedom to accept the responsibility. In my book if you expect to not have to deal with consequences how can you in your right mind expect to have the "freedom" to make others pay for your mistakes?

Posted by: Cryos | July 10, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"if you are middle class and vote republican, please ask yourself why? why do you vote against your own self-interest?"

Because generally voting Democratic doesn't help things either. I give you Jimmy Carter's greatest idea, the Leisure Tax on the rich that put my silly middle-class behind out of work when I was in my 20's and the fact that interest rates ballooned to 14% when he was president and my dad, newely retired from the Air Force was forced to move from a house to a trailer park. Voting simply along party lines is a fools recipe for disaster.

Posted by: Gottaluvit | July 10, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Here is what liberal thinking gets you... besides a bad rash, long dirty hair, birkenstocks, & foolish banter.

HARRISBURG, Pa. - A state representative, a former lawmaker and 10 other Democrats were accused of using public employees and taxpayer-owned equipment for political campaign purposes , the result of a probe spurred by nearly $4 million in secret legislative bonuses.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

i'm not trying to have a civics lesson and educate those who already know everything; i'm trying to comment on this article and raise some bigger questions

see the people to McBush's left? they both helped create the mess we're in now; Phil worked on legislation that facilitated the suprime crisis, his wife worked on the Enron loophole that has helped get gas to $4/gal (there is also a "London Loophole" that has helped increase gas prices - please research these for yourselves)

he helped create this mess and then calls us whiners, these are the people in power and they are the ones making the rules, this is only one of example

the past seven years have been nothing but "crony capitalism" and a dismantling of the constitution

who do you think has benefited from a war based on lies? follow the money

this country is turning into a fascist state where power is the corporations and they control the government; the profit motive has become the supreme law of the lan

if you are middle class and vote republican, please ask yourself why? why do you vote against your own self-interest?

republicans use moral issues as a wedge to stay in power; they only care about power and wealth

Warren Buffett has said that there is class-warfare, and that his class is winning

and for all you anti-tax nut jobs out there, what do you think pays for your aircraft carriers, jets, tanks, and bombs that blow people up?


Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

To add to my comment here are some things to do first if you want to legitimately complain "that you can't pay the bills" in my opinion.

Conserve gas only drive where you need to
Clip coupons
Buy generic brand foods where they are equivalent
Don't go to the bar
Quit smoking
Dont buy excessively priced electronics
Don't buy things like new furniture or tools unless replacement is truly needed

If you are not following any of the above and are complaining about paying your bills you are making a lifestyle choice plain and simple. I make a good living but could be making more but I make compromises between work and free time. Stop with the jealousy, greed and envy of "rich people", buckle down, and do something to get there.

Posted by: Cryos | July 10, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Well said Cryos!

Many of us are going through tough financial times... for me to look to the government to fix my problems is to sell myself short and the freedoms and opportunities short that the USA allows me.

My situation and everyone else's is their own responsibility! Man the "F" up and quit looking for the government to rescue your ass... that is not their business!

Their business is to be invisible to us... that is Freedom! The hell out of our lives and wallets!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Uh Yeah, I know that there are 3 branches.
Government 101:

The President of the United States ADMINISTERS the Executive Branch of our government. He ENFORCES the laws that the Legislative Branch (Congress) MAKES. The President is elected by United States citizens, 18 years of age and older, who vote in the presidential elections in their states. These votes are tallied by states and form the Electoral College system. States have the number of electoral votes which equal the number of senators and representatives they have. It is possible to have the most popular votes throughout the nation and NOT win the electoral vote of the Electoral College.

The Legislative part of our government is called Congress. Congress MAKES OUR LAWS. Congress is divided into 2 parts. One part is called the Senate. There are 100 Senators--2 from each of our states. Another part is called the House of Representatives. Representatives meet together to discuss ideas and decide if these ideas (bills) should become laws. There are 435 Representatives. The number of representatives each state gets is determined by its population. Some states have just 2 representatives. Others have as many as 40. Both senators and representatives are elected by the eligible voters in their states.

The Judicial part of our federal government includes the Supreme Court and 9 Justices. They are special judges who INTERPRET laws according to the Constitution. These justices only hear cases that pertain to issues related to the Constitution. They are the highest court in our country. The federal judicial system also has lower courts located in each state to hear cases involving federal issues.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

JKP:

Therein lies the problem! TOO damn many laws by your liberal progressive socialist (Communist) democrat! You libs all want laws to protect this and save that! How 'bout you get a backbone and protect and save yourself!

Two questions I have: Why does it seem that most liberal men are sissys (ala Barak Obama, Alan Combs, Harry Reid) and most liberal women are butch bulls (ala Janet Napalitano, Hillary Clinton)? I think you have your X's and Y's out of place...!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Are all Republicans anti-american terrorists???...or just the ones currently in power?"

"He should have said that ALL DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS, PROGRESSIVES are nothing more than whiners!"

Both side's B.S. partisan idiocy makes me want to puke.

Wake up!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Lol this thread shows the truth of his statement. Right on Stephen. A lot of the spoiled brats think that hard living is having to buy hamburger instead of steak and cod instead of salmon.

I have respect for people that work hard and have bad luck but that is far from the majority. The majority want no compromise. They want to spend their money on cigarettes, alcohol, partying, expensive electronics, etc and then have other people pay for their basic necessities.


Sorry but your partial high school education and having kids too young doesn't mean other people should have to foot the bill for your mistakes yet you should have all your "freedoms." America becomes more clueless every day.

Posted by: Cryos | July 10, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse


McCain will receive a mandate from the American voter!

Obama will not even get 35% of the vote!

Watch... learn... see...

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Are all Republicans anti-american terrorists???...or just the ones currently in power?

Posted by: Franky | July 10, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

JKP

No, I don't consider myself a Republican or a Democrat...I tend to vote for whoever I think will make the right decisions and provide the best leadership. I'm just not very good at sorting through all the lies and false promises.

I see what you are saying. The Executive branch's decisions are still under the scrutiny of the legislative branch. That is why the president can send the country to war on short notice, but it takes an act of congress to sustain the conflict if necessary. The system is set up to keep the Executive branch on a short leash. And the Judiciary writes the laws. The Executives ability to pick which laws are innacted is limited.

Posted by: Gottaluvit | July 10, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

i guess too many republicans have been hannitized, limbaughed, and bortzed

Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

i must be responding to republicans since the responses i get are not on point and just serve to deflect from the real argument

Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"congress is not the only body who makes law; all three branches of government make law - you did know there were three i hope"

Yes, but the most important (i.e. the one that holds the purse strings, the final arbitrators of government policy) is the legislative branch.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to know how I'm a fool for saying if you don't have enough money to live on, you don't need to have priveledges. A person can survive on rice/beans and water for an extrodinary amount of time. You can buy a months word of rice and beans for less than two dollars a day for a 3 person family. Do people who are losing their houses and complianing they can't buy food looking for a very inexpensive way to eat? Not from what I've seen.

I'm guessing "McCain is a panderer", who called me out, also believes that a drivers license is a right. It's not. Driving is a privilege. I'm not a republican, I'm not a democrat. I'm someone who believes in using common sense in life. Too bad the majority of this country doesn't have or doesn't use any sense.

Posted by: Stephen | July 10, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

congress is not the only body who makes law; all three branches of government make law - you did know there were three i hope

as for pardons, just watch out what happens as we get closer to the end of King George II's reign

Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Look it up, the legislative branch makes the laws."

It's true. That's why you have to laugh when ANY presidential candidate gets in front of the American people and makes a bunch of fool promises he (or she) cannot deliver except at the behest of the congressional cronies.

Posted by: Gottaluvit | July 10, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "for those who do not think that the President makes law, have you ever heard of signing statements, executive orders, and choosing which laws will be enforced?"

You mean like the last minute pardons by Bubba??

For those like you, have you ever heard of the courts and the veto power of congress?

Look it up, the legislative branch makes the laws.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Damn RIGHT I'm whining. Prices for everything are going sky-high, whereas wages are not, and my Master's Degree'd husband can't find a different, better paying job, and he's been looking for two years. We've stopped driving, stopped eating out, are living as frugally as possible, and we STILL can't get ahead. Unless Senator Gramm is going to do something to help the little people out, I suggest he get off his damn pedestal and see what life is like for people who DON'T take money under the table from lobbyists. Pompous windbag.

Posted by: Stephanie | July 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "Um, I'm pretty sure those awful socialist countries like Sweden and Canada wouldn't trade their standards of living, higher education levels, better health, more equal societies, better human rights records, less shocking poverty and longer lives for your right-wing fantasy in a million years.

Socialism seems pretty great if you think about it and drop the anachronositic hysterica of past eras."

Um, I guess the fact that 9 Canadian doctors are living and practicing in my small city of 95,000 proves that they were more than happy to immigrate from the great socialist country of Canada.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"Socialism seems pretty great if you think about it and drop the anachronositic hysterica of past eras."

You mean the anachronositic hysterica of the past like Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea and the, all-time mass murder prize winner of the world, China?

Socialism ignores mans innate desire to make something better of himself and lumps him in as another member of the cowed serving class for the political elites. Our system may be in a mess right now, but with some fixing it still is the better for anyone who values personal freedom.

Posted by: gottaluvit | July 10, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

for those who do not think that the President makes law, have you ever heard of signing statements, executive orders, and choosing which laws will be enforced?

Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

zz1204:

FYI: You can pretty much take to the bank that it will be civil war before the USA will become socialist / communist! AND... I wold bet the farm on who would win too!

Given the fact that our military is overwhelmingly Republican...

So, go ahead and shelve that commie bastard talk!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse


If Obama really has all the answers... why won't he do the "town-hall" meetings with McCain?

I'll tell you why: Because he is a tele-prompter reader who does not know what to say... he mearly reads what to say.

The guy is clueless beyond the pale!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Um, I'm pretty sure those awful socialist countries like Sweden and Canada wouldn't trade their standards of living, higher education levels, better health, more equal societies, better human rights records, less shocking poverty and longer lives for your right-wing fantasy in a million years.

Socialism seems pretty great if you think about it and drop the anachronositic hysterica of past eras.

Posted by: zzz1204 | July 10, 2008 12:35 PM

Those are relatively small countries with largely homogeneous populations. They never had a large underclass population to begin with and the poverty pimp politicians or social problems that go along with the underclass. It won't work here because there are too damn many people that think it's their right to bilk the system for all it's worth.

American needs to harden the f*ck up! (look for Chopper videos on youtube if you don't know what this means).

Posted by: kws. | July 10, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"These guys obviously have no clue as to how the 'other half' lives...must be nice..."

Yeah, I do, above your means. On credit.

The TV commercial "help me, I'm up to my eyeballs in debt", comes to mind.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Owl:

Your rant is "changed" but the story is the "same"...

Obama can't even run his household... what the hell makes you think he can run a country?

McCain is not my first choice... NOT conservative enough... but at least he will get things done! Obama does not have a snowballs chance in hell of getting what he wants done... McCain has and will work with the other half to make forward movement! I for one (good, bad, or indifferent) would like to see those Senators and Congressmen earn their $150K+++ salaries! I am sure a lot of you out there could use a $150K salary!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"But you keep voting Republican, they need the support of every idiot in the US to stay in power!

LOL. That's right, blame it on the republicans. The president does not make the laws, the Congress does. Who was in power during the "great" years of Clinton. That's right, the republicans came into power in the congress shortly after he was elected and were still in power when he left.
Who is in power in Congress, now in the great downturn, that's right, the democrats.

Will some never learn??

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

These guys obviously have no clue as to how the 'other half' lives...must be nice...

Posted by: Jules D. | July 10, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I had to laugh at someone saying that what made America great was in part being "held accountable for your actions". I haven't seen an iota of accountability coming from the Bush administration's sorry excuse for "leadership" in the past eight years...as with most Republicans, they are content to swagger and bluster their pompous bravado with a switch in one hand and a Bible in the other for any who are naive enough to laugh it up.

I'm not saying the Democrats are any better. Far from it. They've squandered multiple chances to change the course of this country for the better; and no excuses will ever make up for that in my eyes. (For the record, I'm an independent voter)

Which brings me to the main subject. Americans, whiners? It's easy to say for someone who has as much money as this slimebag and his wife have. Or McCain and his Barbarella-gone-Bad wife. They don't know what it's like to have to sweat bullets when you see your gas tank almost on E and not have enough money to fill it up again. Or going from paycheck to paycheck without having anything left to put into your savings account (those "Golden years" look pretty dismal for people in my generation at this point). Or coming out of retirement because you cannot afford not to work yet will be penalised for working. Or selling your possessions because one of your loved ones is terminally ill and you have to have extra funds in order just to survive. Or selling your home...one of the cornerstones of that tarnished, sullied American Dream...and living in a tent community on a beach (yes, it's true, and my thoughts are with those displaced).

It's easy for someone to point a finger when they are never faced with those hard decisions.

However, I will agree that Americans are spoiled. We are. When you walk into any department or grocery store, you are assailed by a torrent of unending choices. 100 different kinds of breakfast cereal. 50 different kinds of toothpaste. 25 different kinds of orange juice. And that's just the tip of the iceberg (and, funnily enough, despite this parade of choices, we only have two people to choose from for who will lead our country for four to eight years...I've always thought something is fundamentally wrong with that for a country that brags about being so "progressive").

Still, isn't part of the American Dream, and a cornerstone of our capitalist lives, the luxury of being able to have those things? To be able to choose what kind of toothpaste you want or what flavor of orange juice you prefer. Why should we be forced to sell our homes, our vehicles, just to be able to live comfortably? And if you think we are not in an actual recession, please...take some time to drain the sand from your ears...the ones who are reaping the profits now threaten to write history with one of its darkest chapters.

We are spoiled, yes...but whiners? An adage about being born with a silver spoon immediately charges to mind. If you've had to fight, suffer, fall down, crawl on your hands and knees, and pick yourself back up again, I think you have the right to complain whenever you damn want to. Especially when you see an entire generation of politicians so adamantly stuck in a closed loop of confused ideals and misplaced ethics, they think America is the same as it was in the 1950's.

WAKE UP. IT'S NOT.

I urge everyone to make a difference this November and vote. This will be the most important election in our lifetimes...you can either have more of the same, or change. What do you think is more needed in America right now? What do you think is more important? For those who think our economy is "just fine"...

...WAKE UP. IT'S NOT.

Posted by: Owl | July 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Michael:

52 huh? Hope you were not a hippy! They are the "Che Gueverra" on the bottom of your shoe if you walk behind your dog.

Downsized 7 years ago... and that is GW's administration fault? Mmmm don't know what math you use... but that does not quite add up!

In case you haven't noticed ... Congress is run by the democRATS and they / it has the WORST approval rating in HISTORY at 9%!

That's like Jimmy Carter approval ratings... Do you not remember what happened when in the 70's things got tough and all the sheeple voted in this smooth talk'n democrat that was going to help the common man! That PU$$Y who could not even do what it took to save a hostage or 52!

Not to mention HE MADE THE ECONOMY WORSE with his stupid policy stance!

If you looking to place blame for your "downsizing" blame the company who did not properly predict nor forsee the challenges ahead. They were reactive instead of proactive and thus had to let people go!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Gramm's comments are correct. We are a nation of whinners. We would be in a terrible state if we had another war like WW II. I live near a high school in a middle class neighborhood and see all the autos driven by the students, new and some very expensive. There is no young person in my smaller city who will mow lawns for money as everyone has "lawn" people and it's too hot for the young males in the family. We not used to hard work anymore, sacrificing and conserving on gasoline, air conditioning, entertainment, etc. We pay pro athelics astronomical salaries as are the "Hollywood" spoiled brats. We have lost our way as a nation. It is easier to get a divorse and abortion than to attempt to fix a relationship or place a child for adoption. He is correct.

Posted by: Nancy Millier | July 10, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Willy...

I'm ALL for term limits for congress. But it will never happen. Since they are the final arbitrators of such a decision (as we will never get to vote on it) might as well ask the political cronies commit suicide as give up their power.

I do believe alot of media bias is at work here. I think if Obama is elected presdient, things will magically be wonderful and hard times will be "spun" and glossed over into good times. I saw that happen in Clintons last two years in office, where every day I pick up a newspaper, this company was laying off 10,000 people and that company 9.000 people...but things were just peachy keen.

Posted by: gottaluvit | July 10, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Undoubtedly Gramm is promoting the agenda of those who subsidize him, as he has done ever since he entered politics as a servant of oil interests in his home state. He took hundreds of thousands of dollars from energy and financial interests as a congressman and then as a senator, rising to the chairmanship of the Senate Banking Committee, where he could really perform major favors. He is famed for slipping in an amendment desired by Enron Corp. back when his wife was on that doomed company's board. His employment by UBS, a company that recently warned some of its executives to avoid entering the United States for fear of criminal prosecution, demands fresh scrutiny of him

Posted by: Elizabeth | July 10, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Big Daddy, been working all my life, but times are tough after being downsized about 7 years ago. Now 52 and making about a third of what I used to. But you keep voting Republican, they need the support of every idiot in the US to stay in power!

Posted by: Michael | July 10, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

gottaluvit. You have hit the nail on the head. Make the "representatives" represent the voters by term limits.

Where I come from, the state legislature meets only for 90 days, every two years, and that's too much. Leave the government out of our business.
Our state has the 15th largest economy in the world, so we must be doing something right.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

What is all this stuff about a "Swiss Bank Account"?

Apparently you are thinking of a "Private Swiss Bank Account". It is relatively easy for an American to open a regular Swiss Bank Account without being a millionaire or even a "thousandaire".

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

!When you take an exam in college and fail, its your fault.

When 30 people take the same test in college and fail, its the professors fault.

When you buy a home and lose it to forclosure its your fault.

When 50 million people buy homes and lose it to forclosure its.....

You can fill in the blanks, but the answer is NOT "their fault." Its either the banks, the gov't, or the poor way the economy is run.


!ding!

chuckle. He's an economist .. economists PRETEND to function in the world of real science ... when in fact, what they talk of as concrete relationships (demand and supply etc) are merely functional models to explain what we observe. They actually don't necessarily exist and have to be redefined under differing ideology. So our friend Gramm knows a little somethin' somethin' .... it IS truly a figment of our imagination in many ways. He taught economics for years, and certainly knows it as illusion. They must laugh at us sometimes. Or maybe a lot of times. Don't you think that - sitting in those country clubs ... laughing that congress would actually subpoena one of them - because to them, the law is also an illusion, as is the constitution. See those things were put in place to control US. We think it is real ... they function as though it is not.

Posted by: oh. | July 10, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Michael:

I suppose you are the one that is standing in line collecting the money taken out of my pay check... you haven't the IQ to call a dog an idiot.

There is more opportunity in the USA than any other country in the world!

The USA has MORE OPPORTUNITY than any other country in the world!

Tell me one place where you have more opportunity to make money in the world than here... JUST ONE!

Tell the millions of Mexicans (other Latin Americans), Chinese (and other Asians), Middle Easterners, etc. that come here for the opportunity! Tell them that the opportunity is taken away here...

YOU are ignorant & naive beyond explination!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, he has a point. Americans in general have become a bunch of uneducated, irresponsible, fopish, sedentary whiners. But the government in culpable in that at many levels, primarily in it's failed education policies and by out-of-control big government's intrusions into our individual freedoms.

It doesn't matter if it's the holier-than-thou Democratic party or the imperious Republican party. Our elected REPRESENTATIVES represent themselves and their rich benefactors and not the people.

Posted by: Gottaluvit | July 10, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Imagine this a wet brain (living in denial) top economic adviser for McCain who is following a dry drunk president.

Posted by: Roland | July 10, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

J. McDougles:

Socialism is but a stepping stone to communism. "Give us all your hard earned money and we'll take care of you!"

When the hell has the government done anything remotely correct to warrent us giving them our money via taxes for your so called "democratic socialism?"

If you want to vote for more than a show puppet... the President of the United States must have some level of executive prevlidge! Otherwise, it is nothing more than a joke! Right now... Congress with an approval rating of 9% (way to go dem controlled Congress) runs the country... Your Nancy Palosi & Harry Reid (IQ lacking much)!

Conservatism is the only way to go... Don't touch my effing money and I won't need your effing programs!

Pretty simple!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

No one whines louder than a rich republican complaining about the peasants.

Posted by: jkp | July 10, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

People need to learn a little about world economics especially in an election year. Europeans are paying around $9 for gas. Bush sure gets around doesn't he. The facts behind gas and steel prices surges is world demand. Of course, if Bush was half a man he could stop that. I am sure Obama will tell the rest of the world to quit buying oil, steel and food so we Americans can have an abundant supply. Think outside the box folks and investigate what we Americans can do to conserve so the demand will not be so great. Unfortunately neither candidate is emphazing that issue. Did you know that, if everyone on earth lived the lifestyle that the average American lives. It would take 5 to 6 worlds to supports the earth's population. just something from outside the box

Posted by: Josh Irving | July 10, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Big Daddy - you are a idiot. People like Gramm and Fiorina take away the "opportunity" by destrying our economy while lining the pockets of a few. How many jobs did they eliminate at Enron and HP? Carly got fired after failing at HP and walked off with a 21 million payoff.

Posted by: Michael | July 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

He's right this is a nation of whiners, give me, give me!! Poor me, poor me, thats all everyone wants is someone to give them something. No one wants to work for anything, they want the "Government" to give them everything, who is the "Government"?? TAX PAYERS thats who, you left wing, obama loving,socialist,communist need to get off your a-- and work for a living like the rest of us and stop mouching off us workers.

Posted by: bill | July 10, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse


There is only one thing wrong with Gramm's comment:

He should have said that ALL DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS, PROGRESSIVES are nothing more than whiners!

If you want something... do it your damn self! The taxes we pay are and should only be for infrastructure, military/security, police, schools, & cultivating our natural resources.

The rest, including the Senators $160K salaries are retarded!

Tell Obama to put his money where his mouth is... he makes enough from his books now... tell him to forego his Government salary. See how much he cares then... you naive sheeple!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain or Gramm. Two old cranky goats. Out with the old, in with the new.

Posted by: esr | July 10, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Bid Daddy,

Look up Fascism, and it matches a lot more closely how Republicans tie mega-corporations and religion to government... and stoke nationalism and racism in order to consolidate power in a Unitary Executive... a lot more closely than Democratic Socialism (like in Denmark, the "happiest" nation of people on the planet) to Communism.

Face it. Republicans are Fascist Lite... although admittedly they've killed more innocent civilians in the name of corporate profit than Hitler ever did. So maybe they aint so Lite after all, just light in their loafers like Larry Craig and Jeff Gannon Guckert.

Posted by: James McDouglas | July 10, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Having had a few more minutes to think about this, I would love to make a suggestion to Phil Gramm:

Let go of your Swiss Bank connections for a couple of weeks, and live on MY income, pull your hair out over MY monthly budget, buy MY gasoline and groceries, and then talk to me about "mental" recession and whining!

Or, as Bob Dylan once said: "I wish that for just one time, you could stand inside my shoes; you'd know what a drag it is to see you!"

Posted by: Reverend Rock | July 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

For all you ignorant democrats out there:

America is supposed to be the "Land of Opportunity!" NOT the land of "Oh you're poor... so let me get some of that rich guys cash and get you a hand up my brotha!"

Liberal, Progressive, Democrat, Left of Center: YOU ARE ALL nothing more than communists! Look up the definition of communism and your policies... and the virtually match!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"yeah let me whine a little more when I vote these jokers out of the white house next fall..."

Vote out all the "jokers" that you want, republican or democrat. It won't do a bit of good and hasn't in the past. Voting for term limits for your congressperson is the only thing that will cut the reckless spending. The congress makes the laws, not the president or the administrative branch.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain's people think we're whiners huh?

Well, I guess not all of us are immoral enough to leave our first wives after a car accident and marry a sugar momma who gives us an allowance for our gambling habit.

McCain's wife pays for his lifestyle and he's still sucking down $50k per year in full disability from the US Government. What a fraud. He owns 8 houses and is living on the dole because he can't move his arm? WTF do you have to move your arm for when you sit in a chair for a living?

The FAKE TALK EXPRESS.

John McCain for president?

Are Republicans on crack?

Posted by: James McDouglas | July 10, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

LOL. "Go back to your country club."

I'll be on my way soon. And W is NOT my buddy.

Do you think I agree with the war?? We're in the wrong place.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse


Treyshaun:

... I was going to respond to your moronic post... but you know what...? Your name says it all for any logical American!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

1) We're not in a recession yet. The economy is still projected to grow 0.9% in 2008 so far. Yes that sucks, but it's not a recession.

2) We ARE whiners here... just turn on any US news network. Whining gets them ratings so that's all they show.

3) It is true that Repubs don't get blue coller workers, but those blue-coller workers still don't get that the world economy is changing and if they don't quit their whining and keep up they're going to be left behind.

And Even Obama won't be able to save them then...

Posted by: Jim | July 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

yeah let me whine a little more when I vote these jokers out of the white house next fall...

Posted by: gas is how much??? | July 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "Looks like he put all his cash in a Swiss bank too."

You can too, and you don't have to be wealthy. I'd advise it strongly about now.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

hey willy - looks like you have all the solutions...10-12 billion a month to save the arabs from themselves, then no money left for the veterans when they get back - that is not whining that is just treason - your friend "W" has cut taxes for the billionaires and stuck the rest of us with the bills. I'd like to run my personal budget like "W" runs this country, spend spend spend with no qualms about how to pay for anything...no plans, just tax cuts.

no whining here - just the facts.

We had a surplus until your buddy "W" cut taxes , increased spending, started an unjustified war, and now a couple trillion dollars later we have such great progress for this country, between the housing crunch, dollar at an all time low, gas which used to cost 1 dollar per gallon and is now approaching 5 dollars per gallon, wonderful international relations that is bringing peace to the planet..

"W" and McBush have done such a great job.

Go back to your country club.

Posted by: SWL | July 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Shawn, how well I know. I travel to Europe often. It is all according to how your government spends the tax money. Most of them choose to spend it wisely on the things that matter. We are a nation of whiners and slobs. When I travel in Germany, I asked a friend, "do you have someone cleaning the highways all of the time, they are so clean". His reply "no, why throw something out that you will have to pay someone else to pick up".

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm sure the economy loooks pretty good for Phil Gramm, after all, hes one of the crooks who is responsible for destroying it. Looks like he put all his cash in a Swiss bank too. With people like Gramm and Fiorina working for him, I'm sure McCain really "feels the pain" of the average people struggling to get by today!

Posted by: Michael | July 10, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama is nothing more that a COMMUNIST in a liberals clothing!

Not to mention the small fact that I would take the words of the man who runs a multi-billion dollar bank in UBS than I would an ignornat, 45 year old, ghetto community organizer... who has never run anything, including, his household! His big mouthed wife wears those pants!

Posted by: Big Daddy | July 10, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "If you have any dignity and concern for this country, for the ideals of the founding fathers, and for trying to save this planet from the fascists who took over this great country then please make the right choice."

Actually, the FOUNDING FATHERS did NOT trust the vote of the common people. That is the reason that the USA is a republic and not a democracy. A republic is where you vote for a representative and then he/she votes anyway that he/she wants, sometimes taking into account how his constituency feels.
In a democracy, the majority vote rules.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse


willy wrote: "And their taxes are much higher. Ever hear of cradle to grave socialism?? It ain't cheap."
*************************

Yet they still have as much disposable income, more security, a higher standard of living, better health and longer lives, lower rates of extreme poverty and stronger families.

What a nightmare!

Posted by: Shawn | July 10, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Actually, it's become a nation of crooks and you Mr. Gramm are just another one of them.

Posted by: gbvgbv | July 10, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"A Nation of Whiners"??

Yep, for example, swl's post.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Want to know how much this war actually costs?

Consider the costs...

$5,840 per household.
$2,147 per person.
$341.4 million per day.

And then people say this has no effect on the economy?

Posted by: ETienne | July 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Government is the problem?

But government is supposed to be We the People (of, by, and for).

If you take power out of the government's hands (that is, out of the hands of We the People), then you are putting the power into the corporate hands.

I'd prefer the power stay with We the People.


Posted by: bejugo | July 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut tax cut

oh wait

how are we going to pay for things ?? who needs bridges and roads and military benefits...who needs social security, medicare, medicade? who needs to pay teachers and police and firemen?? Who needs levees and disaster relief? who needs potable water and food inspections? who needs any of this??

not McBush with his plastic wife and her 1 million a month credit card charges...they and Phil Graham and the neo cons are fine !!

If you are selfish feel free to vote for McBush.

If you have any dignity and concern for this country, for the ideals of the founding fathers, and for trying to save this planet from the fascists who took over this great country then please make the right choice.

Posted by: swl | July 10, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "and Europe generally has a higher standard of living than we do."

And their taxes are much higher. Ever hear of cradle to grave socialism?? It ain't cheap.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Premier wrote: "Sorry Obama, you can't take back what you have said in MI and OH."
________________

I guarantee you Obama will win MI and OH, especially after this.

Posted by: sequoia | July 10, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

This comment deserves all the press it gets. Like has already been said, shout it from the rooftops.

It's not really an issue of whether the statement is true or not. It's what the statement says about the person who made it. It says that this person is without empathy, does not live under the pressure that the average American lives under, and doesn't want to know about it, couldn't care less about it, wants those who will decide the fate of his political party to shut up and not bother him about it.

Who do our political leaders think they work for? Who do they think actually makes their jobs exist? If they don't care what we think, then what reason do we have to continue to hire them?

Posted by: Reverend Rock | July 10, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain is in a mental recession.

McCain:
"Vote for me - All the problems you have are in your mind, so what are you worring about, my friend!?"

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Nobody whines louder and longer than a Republican leader complaining about the peasants.

Posted by: Whippy | July 10, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Our administration is concerned about deficits, and the way they deal with deficits is you want to control spending. And I hope Congress lives up to their words. When they talk about deficits, they can join us in making sure we don't overspend. They can join us and make sure that the appropriations process is focused on those issues that -- those items that are absolutely necessary to the American people. I'm pleased that members of the Congress are talking about deficits. It means they understand their obligations not to overspend the people's money."

President Bush,
Remarks by the President in Photo Opportunity with His Cabinet
Jan. 6, 2003

Posted by: Etienne | July 10, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse


Wendy "dragon lady" Gramm

From Salon.com:

"Gramm thinks the system works just fine. After all, she pocketed an estimated $2 million as an Enron director.

Gramm joined Enron's board after chairing the Commodities and Futures Trading Commission, where she issued regulations that legalized the type of electricity trading that helped Enron make millions in illegal profits (on Gramm's watch as a director). As a member of Enron's audit committee, Gramm found nothing wrong with accounting tricks that inflated earnings and siphoned money to selected executives in violation of company rules, if not federal laws. Coincidentally, Enron also delivered campaign cash to Gramm's husband, former U.S. Sen. Phil Gramm of Texas, and now provides that arch opponent of big government with his first private-sector job in decades at the Swiss bank UBS, which owns the rump of Enron's energy trading operations. "

http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2004/01/28/wendy_gramm/

Posted by: VP | July 10, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

While I may not agree with his politics, sometimes. I certainly agree that we are a nation of whiners.
Grow up in the great depression, live through the rationing of WW2, and then you can whine.
We've had it too good.

Posted by: willy | July 10, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Re: A new movement

Yes "the United States has 'become a nation of whiners.'" Please tell the automakers do not whine about Japanese automakers that make better cars than them.

The United States has become the nation of pandering, a new movement of political pandering initiated by Senator Obama.

If automakers have time whining, they should invest their time and money to develop better cars than Japanese as well as "the right cars" that are environmentally-friendly.

Sorry Obama, you can't take back what you have said in MI and OH.


Posted by: Premier | July 10, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

JakeD in the place, tryin' to check your face
Throwin' down some rhymin' 'bout the presidential race
No no Nobama, ain't no way
that me an' my girl Sherry Kay
are gonna vote for you
And though you might get through
And be inspected, selected, elected,
(rejected by me and by Sherry Kay,
but ain't nobody listen to us anyway)
Though you might be elected, damn you might even be
The best president that I will ever see, even so
I ain' gon' be wid it, that's for sure
Look at the situation, examine the fact
I will not support Obama because he is

Posted by: JakeD | July 10, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Phil & Wendy Graham..Let's see..Phil Graham helped push through the Enron Loophole while his lovely wife sat on Enron's board. Also, Senator Graham's efforts at deregulation introduced the entire system of mortgage backed securities whereby banks could bundle mortgage instruments with other similar mortgages, and sell them as securities.

Phil & Wendy..Two people even a mother could hate.

Posted by: VP | July 10, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"Like most republicans who drag out this old song and dance, it helps you to pretend that you're not being cold and inconsiderate when it comes to your fellow Americans."

Studies show REPUBLICANS ACROSS ALL INCOME LEVELS GIVE MORE TIME AND MONEY TO CHARITY THAN DEMOCRATS.

If you want to generalize from those studies you could make this conclusion. Republicans actually believe in personal responsibility so actually help others themselves. Democrats are greedy and like the notion of helping others so vote to have others help rather than do something themselves.

Posted by: Cryos | July 10, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Another group, UNDER THE BUS
There's much to whine about with McCain, he's out of touch with his own party, conservatives and anyone that might even consider voting with him, let's look at the record:
- McCain-Finegold, one of the most unconstitutional pieces of legislation passed by Congress in recent history, most of it now overturned by the Supreme Court. But it does spotlight the mindset of McCain toward civil rights and freedom of speech. McCain would restrict both.
- Speaking of freedom of speech, witness his dealings with his supporters. At a rally in Ohio a comedian used BHO's full name....McCain, under the bus.
In North Carolina, the RNC compared the Democratic candidate to BHO's, Rev. Wright's anti-American views in an ad..... under the bus.
Any Republican supporter not towing the line.....under the bus.
Any Moderate not towing his line....under the bus.
- On immigration, McCain's solution is to just, "LET IT BE", "don't rock the boat" and "we don't need borders". As to border patrol doing their jobs and then prosecuted for it, McCain's response, ....under the bus.
So it should come as no surprise that there's a lot of whining

Posted by: starryperdun | July 10, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Yay! Another Republican telling us we are wrong and they are right. I am a hard working American, middle manager, driving a Chevy getting 22 mpg ($390 monthly), paying $4.08 for Exxon ($320 monthly) and $2200+ ($185 month)to Met Life for auto insurance. Thats $895 a month! Thanks Mr. Gramm for reminding me I'm just full of @#%^^&*(. I'm voting Democratic with my eyes closed because of your arogant party!

Posted by: rich nj | July 10, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Cyros,

Where in the hell do you get your statistics?

"According to statistics even the poorest Americans live in the top 3% of standard of living in the world."

Posted by: Annapolis | July 10, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Here I didn't think that there was anyone as out of touch with average American's as McCain. Looks like we have a contender and not surprisingly, he's on the McCain "team".

After his picks of Gramm and the CEO that ruined HP and Lucent for his campaign I'm pretty scared of who McCain would put in cabinet positions if he somehow miraculously got elected.

Posted by: McCain is a panderer | July 10, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I also agree with Sen. Gramm - we are a nation of whiners...and we do need to toughen up...and Sen. Obama will help get us there.

Did you notice Cindy's tailored leather jacket? It cost more than I make in a month...am I whining? NOPE...I am pissed off that McBush thinks he knows what's good for me.

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 10, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Gramm misses the point. We export, yes, but we export cheap junk. Meanwhile, Germany, Japan and other countries are the major tech exporters. Growth is "increasing" and unemployment doesn't look too bad because they have changed (doctored) how they tabulate the figures over the years, so it's like comparing apples to oranges. Thirty years ago the largest employer in the U.S. was GM, with an average hourly rate, adjusted for today's inflation, of $40 an hour. Today the country's largest employer is Wal-Mart, at just over $8 an hour. Tells you something.

Posted by: John | July 10, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"2: People would actualy be able to go into bankruptsy."

I know several people who took advantage of bankruptcy laws 10 years ago, charged up 10s of thousands of dollars in debt and got to keep their assets with minimal consequences. I love it the same people who want to absolve personal responsibility from individuals demand we regulate business from doing the same thing. It's too bad these people can't see the hypocrisy.

"3: We would have had more oil reserves."

We would have more oil if the left haven't blocked drilling and refining the last 30 years. Then there is an economic crisis largely due to supply and demand and the democrats use a "it won't help us now" answer. Are they really that shortsighted or stupid? 30 years ago if they did something we'd be fine. Bush pushed ANWAR in 2003 and even if we did something then we would be close to more supply. Oh well I'm applying too much logic that will get in the way of people's ideals.

Posted by: Cryos | July 10, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

McLame and Dubya - what a pair of buffoons! Neither has any idea as to how difficult it is to make a go of things in this economy. But wait, there is hope...his name is OBAMA. Vote early and often in November.

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 10, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Phil Gramm is both an expert in economics and mental illness. Oh wait, he's just throwing out trite, played-out stereotypes of both.

Posted by: Brian | July 10, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Stephen showed the fool he is by writing:
"If you can't buy food, you don't need a cell phone.
If you can't buy food, you don't need cigaretts.
If you can't buy food, you don't need to get your hair, nails, make up, gym membership, etc.
If you can't buy food, you don't need to buy a soda at the gas station.
If you can't buy food, you don't need a big screen tv, or cable, or internet.

I agree with the former senator that the majority of the citizens of this country are whiners."

Typical republican misinformed rant. I'm going to guess that you've never actually lived in poverty or bothered to spend time with those that do. I know it helps if you believe that all welfare recipients are sitting in their mansions, watching big-screen TVs, and driving around in BMWs.

Of course, the reality is that there are a lot of people in this country who struggle to put a single decent meal on the table for their family. Like most republicans who drag out this old song and dance, it helps you to pretend that you're not being cold and inconsiderate when it comes to your fellow Americans. You can pretend that it's all their fault and that they don't deserve your sympathy while you put on the blinders and look the other way.

Hopefully enough Americans are starting to see through this bogus load of cr@p that the right-wing keeps trying to sell them. Given recent polls it looks like they are.

Posted by: McCain is a panderer | July 10, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse


Moderate Guy wrote: "Government is the problem, not the solution. We were much better off before income taxes, social security, medicare, etc. All the vast government programs just crush us with taxes."
**********************

Um, WRONG.

Actually, we have more than halved our poverty rate since those initiatives were introduced, and Europe generally has a higher standard of living than we do.

Posted by: Shawn | July 10, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

What would have been different had Gore been president. 1: Congress and the President would have passed long ago an energy bill that would have paced minimum miles per gallons for non-commercial vehicels. Why we don't? Bush blamed his opposition to legislation on soccer mom's when he should have just been a man and said tough doody. 2: People would actualy be able to go into bankruptsy. Why not? Bus chagned the bakruptsy laws. 3: We would have had more oil reserves. Why we don't Bush thought he could get more oil by going to war instead he ended up wasting the oil we had. 4: We might have higher taxes...= less debt = stable econmoy. Bush risked going into debt to fund a war without getting money to fund it. Now the govermetn does not have the ablity to bali out homeowners, buisnesses, cap gas prices, etc. What an idiot Bush has been.

Posted by: Ad-Rock | July 10, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse


I guess when you have 8 houses and marry a billionaire heiress you can pretend the economy is doing great and real people aren't struggling.

People are going to vote for this guy? WHY?

Posted by: dAVE | July 10, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Government is the problem, not the solution. We were much better off before income taxes, social security, medicare, etc. All the vast government programs just crush us with taxes.

We have become a nanny state just like western europe. Once universal health care is in place it will be complete.

I want a candidate who makes no promises to fix anything except lower taxes and wasteful government spending. I'll take care of the rest myself, just stay out of my way.

Posted by: Moderate Guy | July 10, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Canuck... please educate us on what is right about this picture regarding our economy:

1. We are paying trillions of dollars on a war with no objective.

2. Our energy policy is to ignore smart ways to cut demand and to rattle sabres in the middle east to drive oil prices up.

3. We have turned a record surplus into a mega deficit in short order through a fiscal policy which is philosophically similar to giving an 18 year old in a dorm room a credit card and a Best Buy catalogue.

4. We have a national debt that is climbing very high and making the dollar weaker and weaker... yet for some reason I don't see the tourism in the US increasing the way it should with a weak dollar because of the gas prices. Kinda a perfect storm. Also, why aren't exports doing a lot better?

5. We have deregulated ourselves into a mortgage crisis, but we still have morons telling us this is a good thing??? Why?

Posted by: Charlie S | July 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Phil Graham is his econ wonk????!!!! Is this a joke?

Posted by: Turd Fergeson | July 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Canuck right on. So many americans now (in my opinion mostly the left) don't realize what we have and somehow expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.

They whine about problems that "the government" should solve as they sit on their butts and do nothing to help themselves. The loss in prominence of Darwinism in America is just making it worse.

The only reason we have what we do is because of previous generations and we're slowly eroding it away rather than improving on the mistakes made and learning from our successes.

In my book you only have a "right" to what you earn and work for. The entitlement crowd is amazing. They think they should have no education, work a crappy job and make a good living.

In my opinion if you are on subsidizies or welfare you can live in minimal sized apartments and eat beans, rice and bread. It's not my problem you decided to drop out of high school and have 3 kids by 21 years old. Guess what deal with the consequences you want to act like trash you should get to live like it.

Posted by: Cryos | July 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Dear Senator McLame -

Not all of us can marry a millionaire wife. We need to eke out an existence in this crappy economy you and the other Republicans have made for us. So, until you can walk a mile in my shoes - stop whining, you old geezer - and get real...unless you are indeed suffering from dementia...

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 10, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

goatnamese your a Whiner - stop telling us what to do and not do>

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse


YEP!

If you're one of the millions of Americans who lost their jobs due to the tanking economy, can't afford healthcare, childcare and will lose your house, take heart. It's all in your head!

...aaaaaaand that's why Republicans will get crushed in November. They are simply out-of-touch with real Americans.

Posted by: sequoia | July 10, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

He speaks the truth although people don't want to admit it. THe 90s helped turn a lot of Americans into whiny spoiled brats who feel entitled to everything.

Waahhh I can't buy my new iPod or iPhone because I have to spend money on necessities.

Waaahh trickle down economics didn't allow me to work a dead end, mindless job and make a good living.

Waahh I'm a pseudoenvironmentalist and now I can't drive my SUV

On and on and on and on. According to statistics even the poorest Americans live in the top 3% of standard of living in the world. Keep that in mind as you support voting socialist liberal 3rd world country policies.

Posted by: Cryos | July 10, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Talk about being elitist and out of touch... you may as well say "Let them eat cake".

Gas prices aren't imaginary. The falling housing prices aren't a fantasy gone bad. Increasing grocery prices aren't a mirage. These are all real and most of us earning middle class incomes (or working class or poverty level incomes) feel it.

One problem with elitist Republicans is they only consider taxes and not wages or inflation and they only look at overall GDP and don't seem to factor in the GDP growth/contraction gaps between the very wealthy and the not very wealthy. They also seem to think the prosperity of the wealthy trickles down more than the prosperity of the not-so-wealthy climbs up which is historically wrong. They think Keynesian economics worked out well by dumb luck while Freedman-style economics never seemed to work out well because of whatever excuse is the flavor of the month.

Posted by: Charlie S | July 10, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty interesting this topic has not been picked up FOXNEWS.COM - "WE REPORT YOU DECIDE" - kind of hard to decide if you choose not to report. Don't believe me go to foxnews.com and search, you won't find it!

Posted by: J. Doe | July 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey fellow Americans,

I just want to thank you for not educating yourselves enough to be valuable to your own country. That makes it so much easier for people like myself who work hard to get an advanced education so that I can come into your country and make lots of money. Please, keep whining about your not getting free passes to high-paying jobs while the rest of us foreigners are doing the real work.

Posted by: Canuck | July 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

McSame's Phil Gramm is the slime that congress bottom feeders get their greese-job (money) from.. He one of the main player that caused the housing market collapse.

Posted by: ghm | July 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't say that we were better off ten years ago than we are today as if it is the absolute measure of a nation's leadership. While there are many things wrong with this administration, I don't think that the Gore or Kerry administration would've faired too much better. The fact is that our lifestyles and leadership of the past have lead to our current problems (SUV's became popular in the 90's). 9/11 happened in the beginning of Bush's first term and it would have happened if Gore was president. The Iraq war was a bad idea though.

The point is that a decreased supply of oil and increased demand was an inevitable course set many years ago. A well respected M. King Hubbert had in the 50's accurately predicted the peak of domestic oil production in the 70's and had predicted global oil production to peak around 2000 which is proving to be relatively accurate.

Drilling offshore in the US is a good short term solution to get us through the next 20 years or so while Americans can adjust their lifestyles and we live more sustainably.

Posted by: Stevo | July 10, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Is this the Republican equivalent to "Let them eat cake?"

McCain and his advisors are mind boggling.

Posted by: Carolyn Fuller | July 10, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"Funny, I thought that was what was happening to our form of government right now, though I suppose we can't be blamed for not seeing the forest for the trees."

Congress is quite juvenille.
And pretty much a reflection of the population.
Being a citizen does have responsibilities.
Look at the these give aways to stay in power.
Social Security
Medicare/ Medicaid


What economy/workers is/are going to fund these.
How about that government? By and for the people. Nothing like a grass roots wildfire.
Make it happen dAVE

Posted by: Edward Jones | July 10, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Mc Cain's fate is sealed, thanks to Gramm. The gap between Obama and Mc is only going to get bigger. It was fun watching them neck and neck in the polls. Now this statement by Gramm just ruined a tight and beautiful race.

Posted by: goatnamese | July 10, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

People losing jobs in this country is not solely the president's fault. There is no national loyalty in the US. People complain that the products that are made in the US are too expensive compared to products not made here. So the companies making those products start moving their workforce to other countries where they can pay workers less to lower their costs. Then people complain about losing their jobs, but they still buy foriegn products. It's a cycle that will continue until we as a country regain our national pride and start buying US products as well as demanding products be made in the US. You want an american car? You better build one yourself. Ford and GM while still having plants in the US, in my opinion aren't american cars just because their headquarters are located in the country.

The housing market bust happened due to a large amount of speculative buying. I can buy this house that I can't really afford for $400k, but next year it'll be worth $600k, so I'll buy it, stuggle for a year and sell it to come out ahead. Well what happens when people decide no, I don't need a $600k home, I want a $300k home. Those houses bought as if they were stock are suddenly not worth as much. Try investing 10+ years of salary in the stock market short term. You may come out with loads of money and be extremely lucky, but there's a better chance of you coming out with less. No bank is going to give you a loan to invest in the stock market, but banks can and did give loans to people they shouldn't have. The majority of people that bought these homes and are losing them now bought on 100%+ credit. Unles you can't afford to save a downpayment (which probably means you shouldn't be buying a house) then there is no reason to borrow 103% or 100% or even 90% of the houses cost.

Who made you buy that Hummer 2 years ago when gas was half the price it is now? No one, but you did because you didn't predict the price of oil would go up. You could have done your research and learned that China's demand for oil was increasing, or that US oil production has already peaked and therefore more and more oil used in this country is foriegn. For future car purchases think about the fact that the world oil production is goign to peak in the next five years. So not only are we going to be using more, industrializing countries will be using more, and the world as a whole is going to produce less.

Complaining about finance charges on a credit card is rediculous. If you have to buy it on credit, and then pay interest on that, then maybe you shouldn't buy it. If it's for nessentials (food, etc.), then you should realize that there is a problem before spending thousands of dollars that you knew you wouldn't be able to pay.

If you can't buy food, you don't need a cell phone.
If you can't buy food, you don't need cigaretts.
If you can't buy food, you don't need to get your hair, nails, make up, gym membership, etc.
If you can't buy food, you don't need to buy a soda at the gas station.
If you can't buy food, you don't need a big screen tv, or cable, or internet.

I agree with the former senator that the majority of the citizens of this country are whiners.

Posted by: Stephen | July 10, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

All politicians are out of touch with blue-collar America. Money and power do that to people

Posted by: Troy | July 10, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Bravo, You are all wussy men, let's read that again:

"Yes, we are a nation of whiners. Unless we reclaim our heritage, we will become a hollow husk of our former greatness. Meanwhile nations like China and India who have citizens who are proud of their country and still value hard work will be the new "Americans.""

Posted by: Wayne | July 10, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Ask not what the American economy can do for you, ask what you can do for the American economy. Maybe work, learn new skills, obtain a degree. The world is becoming a more competitive place; America as a collective whole will become worse, and we'll really have something to whine about if we can no longer compete and just sit there and wait for government to fix our problems.

Posted by: Frontier | July 10, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I hate it when people whine about not having a job or a house or health care or gas money or any retirement savings. Can't they just get a no-bid contract or something?

Posted by: Tristan | July 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Definition of a recession:

A decline in the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for two or more consecutive quarters.

Doesn't fit what's happening here. Quit whining people, and get back to work.

Posted by: Dictionary | July 10, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Blame the Bush administration. Instead of watching reality television all day, and rehearsing for American Idol, because of the "recession", its now time to work.

What an outrage.

Impeach Bush, I hate Republicans. You suck.

Posted by: The New Left | July 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Once again, The McCain camp shows how out of touch with 'Blue Collar' America they are.

Nothing new here, that's why he will lose and lose resoundingly.

Posted by: Koronin | July 10, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

To all of you who are saying these are tough times, you must by really young or ignorant. We are living in really good times. Yes factories are closing (they'll open up again as soon as we get our elephant to dance and realize how to make products that people want and have good quality), and yes gas is high (travel less, get rid of cable, don't buy a flat screen, etc.), and yes there are lots of things to whine about...and we do whine a lot. But a recession, depression, great depression...come on...not even close. Use your brain, roll up your sleeves, get to work and save your money.

Posted by: Wayne | July 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"Don't try ideas that have been thrown on the scapyard of history. "

Funny, I thought that was what was happening to our form of government right now, though I suppose we can't be blamed for not seeing the forest for the trees.

Posted by: Robert | July 10, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I guarantee that when a natural disaster hits the home of "BorderResident" he'll be first in line submitting for Red Cross assistance, a FEMA credit card and lamenting to the television cameras why doesn't our govt do more to help us.

These types always talk a good game but when push comes to shove they're the first in line to get their diapers changed.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

What made America great was its rugged individualism and Protestant work ethic. American culture used to be picking yourself up from your bootstraps and holding yourself accountable for your actions. This was American exceptionalism, this is what made America great. We grew from 13 colonies to the greatest power in the world. When other powers declined (e.g. the UK, France, Germany), we continued to grow.

Today, American culture has been replaced with a culture based with a degenerate hip-hop, Anti-Americanism. Instead of valuing hard work, and selflessness, we value making a quick buck, and have become obsessed with trivial superficial things.

Yes, we are a nation of whiners. Unless we reclaim our heritage, we will become a hollow husk of our former greatness. Meanwhile nations like China and India who have citizens who are proud of their country and still value hard work will be the new "Americans."

Posted by: You are all wussy men | July 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse


Hey - way to hand Obama the election!

Posted by: dAVE | July 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I kills me that a lot of Repugs are giving comments about personal responsibility when it comes to home owners but not a single word when the big banks are bailed out. Also, as someone formerly in the mortgage industry, more federal and State regulation is needed because many "under educated" homeowners where preyed upon.

Posted by: Benabon | July 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I think what Mr. Graham is trying to say is that we should just bend over and take it and stop "whining" about it. Quiet grunts are allowable, but only with prior approval from our noble Republicons.

But seriously, the Republican economic agenda is what has gotten us here. 4+ dollar gas, record deficits and debts, jobs going overseas, struggling middle class, a government who only cares about the rich getting richer.

Now Mr. Graham and the McCain campaign just want us to shut up about it and accept more of the same? No Thanks!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"What made America great was its rugged individualism and Protestant work ethic. American culture used to be picking yourself up from your bootstraps and holding yourself accountable for your actions. This was American exceptionalism, this is what made America great. We grew from 13 colonies to the greatest power in the world. When other powers declined (e.g. the UK, France, Germany), we continued to grow"

What made america great, if you're not too busy to actually pay attention to history, was a foreign policy bought and paid for by business interests that used poverty abroad to subsidize economic growth at home.

The idea that somehow, for some reason, that Americans are harder working, more entrepreneurial, and somehow entitled to living standards we've built on the backs of the third world is exactly why we're adored abroad today and are held by all as a shining example of all that is right in the universe.

All of this reeks of arrogance and nationalism that we should put a shovel to and bury before it buries us. We need to view the global community as partners, not adversaries . . .

Unless, of course, you're rooting for a new "American century" - then by all means continue to pour your nationalist bile into political discourse that should be governed by the founding principal "government for the people".

Posted by: Robert | July 10, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Middle class America can't choose between going into debt further or buying another flat screen t.v., cell phone service, cable, internet or filling up the gas tank. Boo Hoo. There's wants and needs. Are we to dumb to know the difference. Capatilism and the land of many kings serves the population much better than government welfare. (Which buy the way does a horrible job at creating jobs, being innovative or efficient. Be smart enough to know the vices of men. Government sucks. And ours is the best the world has seen to date. Don't try ideas that have been thrown on the scapyard of history. Human nature doesn't change only those in power. Be thankful and vigilant of our form of governent. Don't F*** it up with internationalism and legislation from the bench.

Posted by: Edward Jones | July 10, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey Grand Ole Pappys! We'll see who's whining come Novemeber.

Posted by: Gen Xer | July 10, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Actually, we need more whining, or let's call it something else--outrage! These clowns have screwed everything up so badly that they're now blaming us, the American people. We have become a second rate country with a lot of ammo, that's it. If it weren't so sad it would be funny. I suppose it is another way for the Repulicans/Bush/McCain to avoid another word, accountability. That is a big word for Bush to utter I suppose and we won't be hearing it any time soon.

Posted by: JNo | July 10, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Look at all the racist white people in this forum. Black people don't whine, but tell the truth. White education has spoiled Obama's mind. The facts are clear. AIDS affects more blacks than any other group, one in two black teens have an STD, and more black males are incaererated than in jail. The american dream was a joke. Who was in power while all this is going on, white people. I just laugh now, when I see white people locked up, infected with AIDS. Especially now with the popularity of interracial dating, we're giving this right back to you. SEE WHOSE WHINING NOW.

Posted by: Treyshaun | July 10, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse


John cried: "Why do you people even read these "drive-by" propaganda rag sheets? The articles are designed to influnce you not inform you. Osoma-Oboma has already been elected .... by the communist left. They want their communist, and thats all there is to it. The price?? WWWIII is going to be the price. Its going to be nasty. Real Nasty."
_________________________

LOL! You are a douchebag. No wonder you morons haven't got a chance in hell.

What a bunch of hysterical, terrified, ignorant, fanatical drama queens the American right has become. Oooooh, vote for hard core Commie Barack Obama and we'll all die in WWII!

Hilarious!

Write more stupid stuff!

Posted by: sequoia | July 10, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"... everythings good, no problem" ... while I lose my house. "

Why is it the presidents fault you chose to risk your financial future with a very risky loan? Why is the president responsible for an irrational housing market that inflated prices until they ultimately popped?

Did your loan officer not give you an estimate of your new mortgage payment when it reset? Or did you think the end of the world we come and you wouldn't have to worry about it?

Stop whining! Somebody please take responsibility for their own actions for a change!"

Wow, here is an analogy. See if you can keep up.


When you take an exam in college and fail, its your fault.

When 30 people take the same test in college and fail, its the professors fault.

When you buy a home and lose it to forclosure its your fault.

When 50 million people buy homes and lose it to forclosure its.....

You can fill in the blanks, but the answer is NOT "their fault." Its either the banks, the gov't, or the poor way the economy is run.

Posted by: Tim | July 10, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Should people take responsibility for their own actions? Of course.

But that doesn't change the fact that we deserve leaders who will acknowledge reality and try to make this country better.

We are not as well off today compared to where we were 10 years ago.

So, you want to be the next leader of this country? Do what it takes to make things better. Don't just tell us to "suck it up."

Because if that's all your people are able to come up with, John, I'm voting for the other guy.

I'd rather have a leader who is willing to try, than one who's telling us to give up.

Posted by: StevenT | July 10, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Is this the same Graham who (with wifey's help) authored the Enron Loophole that has allowed the rampant exploitation of the oil futures market by speculators? And is that his wife who was on Enron's board at the time of their most grotesque exploitation of the energy market in California? I think its time for less "whining" and more angry mobs throwing D batteries. Who's with me?

Posted by: Austin T | July 10, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

f**k this rich white a**hole.

Posted by: dave | July 10, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

As long as there are out-of-control gun laws that give the NRA legitimacy and economics conditions that favor the rich, the Republicans will always be in favor of that current status quo.

Posted by: Sean | July 10, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

This nation has lived above what they can afford for along time. Now you see what happens when you buy a house or car you can not afford. If you signed for the loan dont whine accept responsibility. When something goes wrong we always blame someone else.

Posted by: Mike | July 10, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Millions of consumers can't be wrong. How much longer can we tolerate these old timer polictians that are out of touch? They need to exit in mass exodus and give the new ones a chance. They are corrupt all the way and they don't give a rats ass about the economy. Look at oil prices, absolutely nothing is done. They will hold hearings with big oil to appease the nation, but i guarantee no outcome is immenent. It's all about the money and where it goes, go figure the rest out. Every man for themselves at the white house from our dictator leader all the way down. I smell another war coming and where do we go from here. From a hated and divided nation to a most hated and even more divided nation in the eyes of the world.
I can go on and on but you can figure the rest, we are a nation of very intelligent peple and Washinton thinks we are all imbeciles and we don't have an answer. POlitians need to listen for a change to the nation and not beat around the bush.
We are tired of this crap and we are faltering as a leader of the free world. In other words we are third world now, face it, thanks to our current dictator.I refuse to call him President. A president is one who listens to the people and their needs. This will take a few hours to write.
Karl Rove, Cheney and Bush is above the law and should be tried for crimes against humanity. People are dying and starving in this modern country and they coud not be bothered. They make Hitler look like a saint.

Good Luck

Posted by: Randy | July 10, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Good for McCains Economic Adviser, it sounds like he is the one whinning! It doesn't matter what McSame or his Economic Adviser say or think cuz he DON'T STAND A CHANCE IN HE11 OF WINNING THE OVAL OFFICE!

Posted by: luvwknd | July 10, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The only correct statement Phil Gramm made is "We have sort of become a nation of whiners"

As for his statement about recession, we are and have been in a state of recession for some time now. Everyone would know this if the GOP administration hadn't been manipulating the data. Growth is being tracked differently than in the past so making comparisons to prior recessions is nearly impossible using the data supplied today.

You can't use the incomes of the mega rich to offset the income of the balance of society to show a growth.

We need these people out of power now. Anyone making less than 75K a year that votes GOP in Nov needs a mental health assessment.

Posted by: Sparky | July 10, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Why do you people even read these "drive-by" propaganda rag sheets? The articles are designed to influnce you not inform you. Osoma-Oboma has already been elected .... by the communist left. They want their communist, and thats all there is to it. The price?? WWWIII is going to be the price. Its going to be nasty. Real Nasty.

Posted by: John | July 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

What made America great was its rugged individualism and Protestant work ethic. American culture used to be picking yourself up from your bootstraps and holding yourself accountable for your actions. This was American exceptionalism, this is what made America great. We grew from 13 colonies to the greatest power in the world. When other powers declined (e.g. the UK, France, Germany), we continued to grow.

Today, American culture has been replaced with a culture based with a degenerate hip-hop, Anti-Americanism. Instead of valuing hard work, and selflessness, we value making a quick buck, and have become obsessed with trivial superficial things.

Yes, we are a nation of whiners. Unless we reclaim our heritage, we will become a hollow husk of our former greatness. Meanwhile nations like China and India who have citizens who are proud of their country and still value hard work will be the new "Americans."

Posted by: You are all wussy men | July 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Gramm is right. We are a nation of whining children...always looking to someone else to blame or fix our problems. Not one taxpayer dollar should ever be spent to reimburse any person for any misfortune which befalls them, such as hurricanes, tornados, floods, etc. That is the purpose of voluntary charitable contributions. Grow up people. Life is not fair. It never has been fair. It never will be fair. Get over it and get on with your lives and quit looking to your "nanny" fellow taxpayers to bail you out every time a little "rain" falls in your life. Gramm will probably be bounced from the McCain campaign for speaking the truth in this sickenly oppressive politically correct culture.

Posted by: BorderResident | July 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I think it is fair that he calls Americans whiners, although it wasn't a smart thing to do politically and undoubtedly will hurt McCain. American quality of life is still very good and we live in a capitalist economy and we shouldn't complain when fuel prices are high when compared to prices in the past due to increased demand.

While new technologies are developed along with alternative energy sources, we should all focus on decreasing the demand for oil by doing our part instead of whining because it costs over $100 to fill up our SUVs. And, by the way, drilling off our coasts is a good idea now just like it was years ago. We could have seen an increased supply of domestic oil for the past few years.

Personally, I am registered as an independent. I voted for Obama in the primary and I was planning on voting for Obama in the general election, but lately I've been questioning that. I'm about 50/50 right now and am looking forward to debates.

Posted by: Stevo | July 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Just another example of what a previous poster said....how disconnected our leaders are from the low/middle class Americans.

My family and I are toughing it out...we're not whining.

If McCain says that Gramm will be a part of his cabinet, I'll simply not vote.

Posted by: Jim | July 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"I agree. We have become a nation of entitlement-minded whiners. In fact, some minorities groups seem to really whine a lot more than most. I'm a regular American, and my family is doing fine. There is a mental recession going on, but not in my neighborhood."

CONGRADULATIONS! You, and the 30 families in your neighborhood, are doing fine. NOW OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THE OTHER 500 MILLION PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING. Your opinion, the opinion of McCain's staff, is VERY narrowminded.

"If I am doing good, everyone must be doing good."

WRONG.

Posted by: Tim | July 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

palvar wrote: "I assume all of the people who are posting complaining about how hard work is these days are not wasting time reading the internet while at work, correct?"
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Not a single person has written about "how hard work is" these days, but you just keep pretending like tens of millions of real, hard-working Americans aren't suffering in this economy.

Good luck with that in November.

Posted by: Shawn | July 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The - ahem, fact that people are suffering at the gas pump alone makes this a rather strained position to take. Being unable to afford to commute to a job that doesn't offer benefits doesn't seem to fall into the realm of "mental".

Perhaps the 600 billion dollars we're exporting to pay for fossil fuels has something to do with the lack of liquidity? No, likely not. Please stop whining about the whiners and propose a solution, sir.

Posted by: Robert | July 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Stop whining Phil!

Posted by: jetmacjoe | July 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Kathy Hansen said: "We're a nation of spoiled brats that want others to pay for our stupid choices and I'm truly afraid this country's going to get what it deserves...socialism."
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Um, I'm pretty sure those awful socialist countries like Sweden and Canada wouldn't trade their standards of living, higher education levels, better health, more equal societies, better human rights records, less shocking poverty and longer lives for your right-wing fantasy in a million years.

Socialism seems pretty great if you think about it and drop the anachronositic hysterica of past eras.

Posted by: zzz1204 | July 10, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"Why do you consider Gramm's comments newsworthy? What he said is on the mark. He probably could have said main street media are the whiners because they are the ones who have continually portrayed our economy to be in the tank. Unfortunately, if we are told enough times that our economy is sliding, we will believe it."

So the last 8 years, and still today, americans have been told by Bush, "the economy is pretty good." And we belived that. Now you are saying that Americans as a country fall for whatever people say huh?

I agree. BTW, Bush actually said, and i quote, "THE ECONOMY IS PRETTY GOOD." Thats some big vocabulary for a president.

Posted by: Tim | July 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I assume all of the people who are posting complaining about how hard work is these days are not wasting time reading the internet while at work, correct?

Posted by: palvar | July 10, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I can't wrap my mind around the level of disconnect there must be from the middle and lower class to make such an ignorant statement.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Step up folks. We are a nation of whiners. If there isn't double digit grown and we don't double our investments, the economy is coming to an end. I have never bought a house I couldn't afford, I drive a 15 year old car and have been through about a dozen different layoffs. Nobody was there to wipe my nose and tell me it would be OK. I planned for bad times, found new jobs and I cut back when I needed to. Quit blaming the world for your poor decisions. What ever happened to self reliance?

Posted by: L | July 10, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain Economic Adviser Calls US 'A Nation of Whiners'


just look @ the lost jobs and high price on gas and others goods was once made in the good USA is all gone no jobs our so call leader as fail US

Posted by: master from shamrock | July 10, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who knows the definition of recession, knows were not in one. That's fact. It doesn't mean times aren't tough, it just means the public doesn't know economics, which is partly to blame for the mortgage crisis, credit crunch, etc.

Posted by: B | July 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Gramm has been an executive with a Swiss bank these past few years and I imagine he has had little to whine about ...

Posted by: kayu | July 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

We're a nation of spoiled brats that want others to pay for our stupid choices and I'm truly afraid this country's going to get what it deserves...socialism.

Posted by: Kathy Hansen | July 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

You whiners need something to cry about, McCain will give you something to cry about. Let's lock in those tax cuts for the mega wealthy and continue tearing apart our social safety nets. When this is complete, when you are all tenement farmers on some lord' s estate, then you can complain. Until then, eat cake!

Posted by: wisco | July 10, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse


Oh, okay. I guess it's my imagination that my company just laid off people for the first time ever.

Isn't that AMAZING?

Posted by: zzz1204 | July 10, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

This statement proves that Obama is an elitist.

Four more years! Four more years!...

Posted by: godblessusa | July 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

It's all in your mind! Recession, War, Shredded Constitution, Indefinite detention, Illegal wiretapping, Mortgage foreclosure...isn't happening!! You're imagining it. You're stuck in a reality-based world. Trust Republicans, we'll make your world wonderful again, just relax. Here, drink this delicious kool-aid. There, much better now. Did you know that G*d only son, JC, put George Bush in the WH to create a free and wonderful world..there, there, everything will be all right. Stop whining!

Posted by: thebob.bob | July 10, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse


I'd like to thank all the Republican douches who are actually defending this disgraceful statement.

Please yell it from the rooftops! This is why the American people are rejecting you nation-wide. This is right up there with "poor people don't deserve medical care", "global warming is a left-wing scam" and "stay the course" in the STUNNING ability of conservatards to ignore a little thing called REALITY.

Keep it up, PLEASE!

Posted by: Shawn | July 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

According to my last stop at the local gas station/convenience store, we're doing fine. I know this because people were still buying cigarettes. Times aren't really bad until people stop smoking to save money.

Posted by: Nelson | July 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that this comment was made by Gramm of all people who as a senator introduced legislation that made possible the deluge of foreclosures now occurring.

Posted by: Kayu | July 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"... everythings good, no problem" ... while I lose my house. "

Why is it the presidents fault you chose to risk your financial future with a very risky loan? Why is the president responsible for an irrational housing market that inflated prices until they ultimately popped?

Did your loan officer not give you an estimate of your new mortgage payment when it reset? Or did you think the end of the world we come and you wouldn't have to worry about it?

Stop whining! Somebody please take responsibility for their own actions for a change!

Posted by: Money | July 10, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

What, the people don't have any bread? Let them eat cake, then.

Posted by: steve boyington | July 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

We are not only a nation of whinner but also a nation of blaming others. The fact of the matter is we got use to the easy life. And now that we are back having to truly work HARD for what we have we now. Like are parents had to. I don't think it has anything to do with Republican or Democrat, we just don't like any group that actually states the obvious.

Posted by: storm | July 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Picture this: Phil Gramm is one of the most corrupt politicians in Washington and the top advisor for McCain in economic matters.

Carly Fiorina is one of the leading forces in the the nation at destroying shareholder value. She's McCain's top financial advisor.

If McCain wins those two will become his economic liuetenants. Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: Jim barton | July 10, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Really, well I hope the SOB dies of cancer and the sooner the better. Do some research on the man, he is one of the worst people ever to run for the office. He should have done us all a favor and died in that prison camp.
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Let's see... ummmm, Yep... Americans are whiners, nothing new about that one except the whiners don't know how to stop or admit they are... and don't fool yourselves, not all of the people losing their homes are at fault, but I'd venture to say most foolishly bought above their means and the greedy banking system let them and lead them to their downfall... when Americans learn to live "below" their means the country will have a chance... we have NO Chance if Obama gets elected unless the Republicans take control of congress, that's the only reason we survived the Clinton era... I'm not a big McCain fan but he is heads and shoulders better then the alterative

Posted by: Dan in Iowa | July 10, 2008 12:11 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Just goes to show you, you have to be a rich SOB to come up with a remark like that. Clowns like Phil Gramm who have been living off of taxpayers monies for so long, getting fatter and richer by their past abuse of power, taking bribes, kickbacks and basically stealing from the American public, ought to be doing hard time in prison with the rest of the Washingtom buerocrats. Yeah, just put me in a room with Gramm and I'll show you a whiner. Anyone for dueling banjo's? Hey Gramm, squeal like a pig.

Posted by: t. bold | July 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Hah, apparently the Republican's philosophy is the same as my football coach's:

"Suck it up."

Posted by: S | July 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Want to know why people equate McCain and Bush? Because this is same line weve been hearing for 8 years, "the economies doing good, the wars going well, everythings good, no problem" ... while I lose my house."

You shouldn't have purchased a home with an ARM that you couldn't afford. Lesson learned.

Posted by: Josh | July 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

These comments by a Politician are just what the middle and lower economic classes of the United States wanted to hear. This is truly a statement by a typical Washington Politician, out of touch with Americans and out of touch with the reality of day to day life in America. I am a Republican but I cannot support either nominee with statements like this. Politician need to realize that Americans are angry and upset and the only way to change what is going on is by taking action ourselves and then replacing all of the politicians in all of our government entities.

Posted by: David M | July 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

He's totally correct. He should have added that a recession is primarly caused in an economy like ours by psychological issues rather than real economic ones.

Posted by: Dave | July 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

It really doesn't get more ridiculous than this...if there is anyone that agrees with the statement, I'm glad you're enjoying life right now, but the rest of us are really hurting.

Posted by: Daniel | July 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Let's see... ummmm, Yep... Americans are whiners, nothing new about that one except the whiners don't know how to stop or admit they are... and don't fool yourselves, not all of the people losing their homes are at fault, but I'd venture to say most foolishly bought above their means and the greedy banking system let them and lead them to their downfall... when Americans learn to live "below" their means the country will have a chance... we have NO Chance if Obama gets elected unless the Republicans take control of congress, that's the only reason we survived the Clinton era... I'm not a big McCain fan but he is heads and shoulders better then the alterative

Posted by: Dan in Iowa | July 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I get it now, it's all in my mind that I have no health insurance and I have turned off my hot water heater to save $30.00 a month and take colds showers. I now ride a bike most of the time so I can save my gas to go back and forth to work, Thats right is must all be in my mind. I would like to have a few minutes alone with Mccain and I would explain it to him, or I would twist his ugly head off his fu&ken body which even came first.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The trouble with the comment posted by Rick that 'Americans need to travel and see the world' is that such adventures will show how far out of touch American conservative philosophy and folks like Phil Gramm really are. Europe pays higher gas taxes, has sane gun control laws, is far more religiously tolerant and environmentally aware. A right wing American in Europe is truly representative of the label "Ugly American."

Posted by: Steve Hanes | July 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I know several people who have changed work schedules so they drive less because they cannot afford the gas (not people who don't want to, they cannot) to commute 5 days a week. I spoke with neighbor last night and he said that one of his co-workers has called in a couple of times because he didn't have gas or money for gas. Call it what you want, but times are hard. If McCain's campaign doesn't understand that, I don't understand why he thinks he's qualified to be President. Of course, I never believed either he or Obama has an ounce of integrity, but that could be beside the point.

Posted by: Iain | July 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

A nation of whiners? This just proves the republicans are out of touch with the problems that everyday Americans face. Rather than taking responsibility of driving this country to s###, they claim we're nothing more than a bunch of whiners. Well mr. gramm, why don't you sit through 33% interest rate charges by credit card companies & have your home foreclosed upon- we'll see how much whining you and your wife does.

a33h0le

Posted by: duplicity | July 10, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if Graham or McCain had to pump their own gas, or try to refinance but cannot because the value of their homes had declined, or try to find a new job they would feel differently.

This is the worst housing downturn in American history
We are bleeding jobs every month
The cost of energy and thus everything else is soaring
Food costs are soaring

So Graham's way of fixing it is to tell us to stop whining.

I guess since it doesn't effect them then that makes us whiners

Posted by: JR | July 10, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

If you look up the word "hypocrite" in the dictionary, you will see Phil Gramm as the top example. As a Senator, he was responsible for much of the legistlation that removed oversight from the S&L industry so that we could have the S&L scandal, including Neil Bush and Silverado. He championed allowing banks to become involved with non-banking financial transactions, which directly led to the current sub-prime crisis in loan securitization. If anyone in particular is at the root of the billions of dollars loas in this wave of bank failures, it's Phil Gramm. The fact that McCain would choose such a rigid idealogue as his top economic advisor only further proves that he is totally unfit to hold any responsiblity for our nation's economic policy.

Posted by: Larry-T | July 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe that will go along with Mccains energy policy where he said it would not do anything but physiology we would feel better.
I guess we just need to pretend nothing is wrong with the country as Mccain thinks and all will be fine. Remember Mccains interview when he said how great things were.?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I guess people who are out of work, our of money, whoa re losing their homes, who can't afford to drive to work, who can't afford to heat their homes, are tired of being told by rich politicians that everything is okay because some numbers on a chart somewhere say they are. I think people are tired of politicians peeing on their backs and telling them it's raining.

Gramm is the whiner here, un my opinion. Perhaps he should try walking a mile in the economic shoes of average Americans before he opens his rich elitist mouth about how comfortable they are.

Posted by: Bo | July 10, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute...what happened to the vaunted 'compassionate conservative' label that all these right wingers like Phil Gramm were courting? Just goes to show you that the terms 'conservative' and 'compassion' can't be used in the same sentence.

Posted by: Steve Hanes | July 10, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

What an ass.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 10, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree. We have become a nation of entitlement-minded whiners. In fact, some minorities groups seem to really whine a lot more than most. I'm a regular American, and my family is doing fine. There is a mental recession going on, but not in my neighborhood.

Posted by: Tony Bierman | July 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

As much as I disagree with the Republicans, Mr. Gram is totally right about being a "nation of whiners." People here need to travel and see the world.

Posted by: Rick | July 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow. How out of touch can a campaign possibly be with average working Americans? We are in really tough times and to call us whiners is like kicking sand in our faces.

I always wondered how McCain will relate to middle-class folks considering his wife and him spend $750,000 a month on credit cards (seriously). Now I have my answer: He won't.

Posted by: Frank Draper | July 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Jaycee wrote: "Well, AMEN. Nothing wrong with stating the obvious. We are a nation of whiners, led by the Obamassiah himself."
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Ignore the fact that Obama consistently speaks about personal responsiblity if it suits your ignorant worldview, but you can't ignore the fact that the economy and real Americans are suffering.

This is EXACTLY why McCain will get crushed in the general election. He is, in fact, the elitist snob who married into billionaire wealth, has 10 houses and is completely out-of-touch with regular Americans. The man hasn't got a clue.

Posted by: sequoia | July 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain was already struggling in the polls with the question about his ability of understanding the problems of people like "regular americans," and I honestly don't think that such comment makes things any easier for him. Calling struggling americans whiners is NOT helpful.

Posted by: Carl29 | July 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

As a case in point, look at the whining here.

Posted by: Ed | July 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh my goodness!!! How can this guy call whiners all those americans who have lost their jobs, their homes, and who can no longer afford food at the grocery store plain whiners!! This doesn't sound good at all.

PS: I hope Obama and the media grills him over this!!

Posted by: Carl29 | July 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Well, AMEN. Nothing wrong with stating the obvious. We are a nation of whiners, led by the Obamassiah himself.

Posted by: Jaycee | July 10, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Why do you consider Gramm's comments newsworthy? What he said is on the mark. He probably could have said main street media are the whiners because they are the ones who have continually portrayed our economy to be in the tank. Unfortunately, if we are told enough times that our economy is sliding, we will believe it. There is little doubt that rising gs prices and the housing debacle are real; but, these two events are not the only factors driving our economy. I view your comments as another example of subliminal influence by the media to portray the candidate in this case in a bad light.

Posted by: Dave Bump | July 10, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Want to know why people equate McCain and Bush? Because this is same line weve been hearing for 8 years, "the economies doing good, the wars going well, everythings good, no problem" ... while I lose my house.

Posted by: Mr. Blum | July 10, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse


OF COURSE the retarded "McCain-the-Maverick" boosting mainstream media won't pick up on this beyond this blog.

If OBAMA's top economic advisor had said this, it would be a HUGE STORY endlessly recycled for weeks and weeks with huge headlines about how Obama is "an elitist" and "out of touch with Americans."

What a joke!

Posted by: Shawn | July 10, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

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