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McCain Reflects on His POW Experience

By Juliet Eilperin
ABOARD THE McCAIN CAMPAIGN PLANE -- Sen. John McCain defended his Vietnam War military service against Democratic attacks Tuesday, and he pressed Sen. Barack Obama to remove retired Gen. Wesley Clark from any role in his campaign.

When asked how his opponent should treat Clark, who has repeatedly questioned whether McCain's military tenure qualifies him for the White House, the senator replied, "I think it's up to Senator Obama now to not only repudiate him, but to cut him loose."

Initially, McCain appeared reluctant to talk about the connection between his being a prisoner of war and his presidential candidacy. "Please," he said. "I had an experience in serving - I had the privilege and honor to serve in the company of heroes."

"If it helped me be president, it made me appreciate how wonderful and great and patriotic Americans are in their leadership...," he said, before trailing off.

After a moment, McCain provided a fuller explanation. "Of course it made me love my country, and it made me understand the great strength and beauty of America," he said. "So I think it made me appreciate more what I've spent my life doing, and that's serving my country, and putting my country first. In the prison camps of North Vietnam, there weren't Republicans or Democrats, there were just patriots."

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), who is accompanying McCain on his trip to Colombia and Mexico this week, said he could cite an instance where McCain's Vietnam service influenced public policy. During the Senate debate over the Detainee Treatment Act, he recalled when McCain spoke out against torture by the United States on the grounds that it then becomes used as a propaganda by America's enemies. "That, to me, is a classic example of how his military experience helped him shape public policy in a way no other senator could have done," Graham said.

McCain also outlined his other assignments in the military for reporters, including heading the navy's largest squadron at Cecil Field, as reasons why his service had prepared him to be president. But then, having apologized for bristling at the initial question, he delivered a short speech on why he shies away from discussing his role as a prisoner of war.

"I kind of reacted the way I did because I have a reluctance to talk about my experiences, and I apologize for maybe being a little reluctant because I really believed that I served in the company of heroes: People like Bud Day and Robbie Riesner and Jim Stockdale and those people were much braver and better men than I will ever hope to be, but they inspired me to do things that I otherwise wouldn't have been capable of," he said.

"But I think that the overriding theme of this campaign, or message of this campaign, is that I will put my country first. I even had the opportunity to go home early because my father was a high-ranking admiral: I put my country first. I stayed because I believe my code of conduct called for it, and I believe my loyalty to people like Edward Alvarez, a Mexican American who had been there for years before I was, was more important than me putting myself in to go home several years before the end of my [time]. That's probably the better answer and I--again, I am always reluctant to talk about these things."

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I have been somewhat amazed by the virulent reactions generated whenever anyone makes a comment concerning the history of Senator John McCain. In particular, I am referring to what I consider to be the dishonest representation of McCain's POW "heroism". It seems that many people just cannot accept the fact that the Senator's behavior while captive can most honestly be described as "typical".
Much has been made of McCain's refusal of an early release. Most often, it is directly stated that McCain's decision not to accept such "special treatment" was due to his sense of honor and his unwillingness to abandon his fellow POW's (a remarkable thought when one considers McCain's astounding decision to do just that while serving on the Senate Committee for POW/MIA's). The unvarnished truth of THAT particular matter is that McCain was FORBIDDEN, by military regulations and Geneva Conventions, from accepting an early release. Another absolute truth regarding the same subject is that McCain's refusal was TYPICAL in that literally hundreds of other POW's refused the same "early release" offer.
I cannot understand why it is that McCain supporters fly into irrational rages whenever someone points out the obvious. Why is it so important for McCain to be some kind of Super Hero? Particularly when the evidence of record (not including the bag of valorous medals which are unsupported by ANY eyewitness accounts) indicates otherwise.
Another absurd page of the McCain myth is the notion (repeated by some of the most responsible news organizations) that McCain endured unrelenting torture for 51/2 years.
This nonsense and is not supported by evidence. In fact, other POW's have gone on record to say that McCain's period of "torture" and mistreatment last for about 2 years. Of course when such evidence is offered the resulting response is to claim that any POW who does not support the "official" McCain story is a liar and a Obama supporter.
I do NOT support Obama. At one point I thought I might consider voting for him but, as the campaign progressed I came to understand how dangerously naive he really is. He may be a tremendous speaker but, an empty suit in my book. I fear his election will result in a disaster reminiscent of the Jimmy Carter fiasco.
But, having said that, I find it increasingly difficult to support Senator McCain. For all the talk of "honor" and "integrity" I find the Senator's willingness to allow others to misrepresent his history to be particularly offensive. His use of Col. Bud Day, Medal of Honor winner, as a political tool, is a disgrace. Col. Day ought to be ashamed of himself. And more the shame to McCain for using Day in such a manner. Medals of Honor are NOT to be used to push a political agenda.

Posted by: Mikeusmc | July 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

When asked how his experiences in Vietnam would help him as president, McCain was stumped, uttering "Please"..."please."

"Bachelor" Senator Graham had to jump in and bail him out.

That McCain had no answer with almost forty years to think about it is extremely telling about which side of history he sits.

Th. Jefferson and Dr. King teach Americans how to think about history and Vietnam.

We were sent there as catspaw for the interests served by the traitors who assassinated our Commander-in-Chief, six weeks after NSAM263 ordered our military withdrawal: that which America's Founder, Mr. Jefferson, identified as "the real Anti-Christ."

McCain, raised by Roman Catholics, growing up on Capitol Hill currying favor with "bachelor" Senators and powerful Congressmen, is a Tory, with no sense of the lesson of Vietnam: false war is treason and the Bushes have been fronting for the Vatican-banker Rockefellers, who built Standard Oil on unredressed murder and arson, for five generations.

As he collaborated with the North Vietnamese to improve his lot then, he betrayed his faithful wife to marry the Mob and now fronts for the corrupt, treasonous faction which committed 9-11 to send us to false war now. He is no patriot, and no man.

P.S. In his autobiography he admits the circumstances of his being shot down: martial incompetence. Whether he, in fact, caused the conflagration on the Forrestal remains to be proved. The "wet-start" explanation coheres. Any eyewitnesses of the flame from his jet cooking off the Zuni on the F-4 directly behind him? Or were they all killed by the bombs McCain dropped on the deck?

Posted by: Will Jones | July 3, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

McCain wants to overturn Roe V Wade, he opposes birth control, and he has voted against women's choice 123 out of 128 times in the Senate. If McCain is able to smuggle these anti-choice policies into the White House, consequences for women could include no control over their reproductive health, fewer choices in handling an unintended pregnancy, and even the criminalization of abortion for rape or incest.
MCCAIN IS ANTI-WOMAN.
He left his first wife, who had been disfigured in an accident while he was a POW, for Cindy (who is an heiress) and then calls her the C word in public. He has an reknowned temper; probably related to long unchecked PTSD.
Does staying in Iraq make sense? Do we want to put all those billions of dollars into an unwinable war when our own country's infrastructure is falling apart?
LET's BE SMART THIS TIME!
McCain may be an ex-POW and he was very brave to endure what he did - but that doesn't make him a good person and it surely doesn't qualify him tp be President of the United States!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

The legacy of the GW Bush administration is that we no longer trust elections and voting machines, we torture prisoners, and we question everyone's military srvice. These are sicknesses that will remain long after that incompetent man leaves office.

Posted by: Joe Turner | July 2, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Senator Graham is right that initially Senator McCain was a giant in opposing torture by Americans, but then politics got in the way and McCain caved into the Bush policy of Torturing first and then read them their rights. McCain was also against giving hugh tax breaks to the wealthiest in America before he was for it. McCain was against a lot of the Bush policies before he was for them.
It seems to me that it is time for someone who thinks for himself. Barry Goldwater was the real man behind the straight talk express and not someone who weasled around the facts and policies for a better political position. It's past time to start looking at the Libertarian platform of Mr. Barr. Do you want to hear more of the Bush agenda or do you want the real straight talk for America in the twenty first century.

Posted by: Casper | July 2, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama reminds me of Gomer Pile.

Posted by: Sargent Carter | July 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

If military service determined who should be president, then McGovern would have defeated Nixon, and Bush Sr. and Dole would have defeated Clinton.

Military service is not the determining factor, but it is an important one.

What the candidates say they will do about current issues is almost irrelevant. The issues that will be most important in the next four years are completely unknown today. That leaves character and experience as the only truly important considerations.

Posted by: NK, Texas | July 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"Wesley Clark is a better military man than John McCain."

Wes Clark got his medals for falling out of a jeep. Remember when he bombed the Chinese embassy? Jim Webb, too, canned as Reagan's Naval Secretary after six months. Won in VA, because of "macaca" and writes weird porn.

These men aren't fit to comment on McCain's service record. What was so insulting about Wes Clark's statement? McCain never said he was qualified to be POTUS because he was a POW. It was a cheap shot at his outstanding resume on behalf of a greenhorn who gives speeches about dead presidents and so forth with too little experience to merit the comparisons. Obama is out-classed when he's contrasted with John McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Khyber Jones, McCain was widely applauded by Democrats when he called out to have Rumsfeld replaced. He argued from the beginning that more troops would need to be sent in if this war was to be ended more quickly. McCain was an advocate of switching our counterinsurgency strategy. He supported the surge all the while risking his own party's nomination. On the other hand, Obama in 2004 said "On Iraq... There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who's in a position to execute."

-- Chicago Tribune, 07/27/04

Posted by: NY Voting For McCain | July 2, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

lets make it simple

McCain = what can i do for my country

obama = what can my country do for me

the choice is clear -- McCain 08

Posted by: americafirst | July 2, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

No one is denegrating his service. There's just one simple question - how has your military experience prepared you for the presidency. Easy question, nothing to blow your stack over - you'd think it'd be an issue he'd have a prepared answer for. But instead, he's showing his nasty side. He's childish and belligerent just like Bush, and I've seen enough of that to last me a lifetime. Just one of the reasons I won't vote for mccain. Answer the question McCain.

Posted by: JDB | July 2, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Let's see while McCain was doing his duty Obama was doing drugs. Who used better judgement?

Posted by: E.A. Neupert | July 2, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain's grandfather, Admiral "Slew" McCain was involved in sending US ships into a typhoon in WWII and the Secretary of the Navy, Forrestal, wanted to courtmartial him for it. Slew McCain was saved from courtmartial by his Washington political connections.

Posted by: Rand Tervigian | July 2, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Graycrab -- How did McCain's POW exeperiences prepare him for the Presidency? I suggest you read "Faith of my Fathers" and you may find your answer.

That said, McCain's candidacy doesn't rest solely on his POW exeperiences. Those experiences simply revealed a strength of character, as well as formed personal convictions, that will HELP to make him a good President. They are part of a much larger biography (including naval aviator, Navy Commander, successful US Rep and Senator, etc.) that voters need to consider in chosing the next President.

As I said earlier -- it's not a SINGULAR qualification to the Presidency. But it does REVEAL a lot about the man who is asking us to support his candidacy.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Please General Clark did not denigate McCain's war record.
He plainly stated he admired his war record.
What General Clark asked was how did being a Prisoner of War prepare him to be a president?
I am waiting to hear the answer!

Posted by: Graycrab | July 2, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

This is not an accurate representation of the events are reported by other reporters. According to other sources he became angry, because a reporters asked how his service was relevant. His excuse was that he is reluctant to talk abut it.

Once again McCains Sycophantic pres core tries to save him from himself, and covers up his gaffes.

Posted by: Julian | July 2, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I cannot see what was wrong with what Gen. Clark said. There were 600 or 800 P.O.W.s in Vietnam and they surely were not all qualified to be president by virtue of that experience.

I don't think it says anything about character or patriotism. I just saw "There Will Be Blood" and the main character, a thoroughly evil person, fell down a mine and dragged himself up . He endured a horrible, painful experience and it didn't make him better for it! We all know that: Bad things happen to bad people, too. Were all of the 600 or 800 Vietnam P.O.W.s good people? Seems unlikely that there weren't a few rotters.

McCain is behaving like Hillary Clinton in her "Shame on you, Barack Obama" phase. It makes him look whiny and unmanly to parade his hurt feelings.

Posted by: Susan S. | July 2, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Democrats face a conundrum in contrasting John McCain's resume (his 20+ year Naval career and 26-year career as a US Representative and Senator, including chairmanship of the Senate Commerce Committee) with Barack Omama's resume (3 years US Senator, 7 years State Senator, part time college professor, community organizer). Rather than promote their candidate's wafer-thin resume, they've chosen to attack John McCain's distinguished military service, going so far as to send out surrogates (Webb / Clark) to question whether military service in and of itself is even a valid preparation for future Presidents and leaders. Is that the "change" we've been waiting for? I had "hoped" for something better from Obama. But I guess he just "can't"....

I'll agree that military service is certainly not a SINGULAR prerequisite for the office of the President. Indeed, many good Presidents have lacked military service, and some bad Presidents had stellar military service records. However, military service is a valuable component of an individual's complete personal biography, as it tells us a great deal about one's bravery, perseverance, and integrity. This is particularly true for those who have served in the unique stress of combat, which reveal's one's moral character unlike any other life experience.

On that point, "Moral Courage" is undoubtedly one of the most vital attributes of great leaders -- the willingness to put one's own interests at risk in pursuit of a greater good. John McCain is certainly NOT a perfect human being. But time and again throughout his life, he has shown a willingness to sacrifice his personal self-interest for a greater cause. This has been a consistent theme for him, BOTH as a military officer AND as a political leader.

Here are just a few examples:

1. He requested a transfer to another aircraft carrier (the Oriskany) to remain in theater after he was severely injured in the USS Forrestal disaster during Vietnam. He could have gone home with the carrier and its crew, but he chose to remain in combat instead.

2. He was shot down over Hanoi specifically because he chose remain on target and complete his low-altitude bombing run, rather than take evasive action to avoid the incoming missile that ultimately downed his aircraft.

3. Despite suffering from severe dysentery, and likely not to survive prolonged captivity, he refused to accept early release to a Western "peace delegation" unless all prisoners captured before him were released first.

4. As Senator, he has taken NUMEROUS positions that were at odds with either his own party (Immigration reform, campaign finance reform, Global Warming, opposing earmarks, etc.) or with the current tide of public opinion (supporting the "Surge" in Iraq when almost every other Senator was running for cover, denouncing ethanol subsidies days before the Iowa caucuses, etc.).

I haven't always agreed with his positions, but I respect the courage he has shown in standing by his convictions, even when those positions could have cost him the nomination. His military experiences were the training ground that prepared him for future political leadership. Vote against him if you don't like his positions. But let's stop with the disrespectful denigration of his distinguished military service and strong personal character.

Posted by: Eric, MN | July 2, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

For all of you reading these comments and NOT affilitated with the McCain or Obama campaigns - be wary. Both campaigns (and the Obama campaign is much better at it) have staffers and volunteers whose only job is to post comments in reference to articles (For example this article is showing McCain in somewhat of a positive light so the Obama people will post negative comments). These comments expressed are in no way unbiased.

Please don't take these comments as an indicator on how the average American view these issues.

Posted by: krob | July 2, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

For all of you reading these comments and NOT affilitated with the McCain or Obama campaigns - be wary. Both campaigns (and the Obama campaign is much better at it) have staffers and volunteers whose only job is to post comments in reference to articles (For example this article is showing McCain in somewhat of a positive light so the Obama people will post negative comments). These comments expressed are in no way unbiased.

Please don't take these comments as an indicator on how the average American view these issues.

Posted by: krob | July 2, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Another example of why I really need to stop reading comment sections:

Playa "sayz":
SHUT UP YOU SON OF A B!TCH McSLIME, SWIFTBOATING A RESPECTED GENERAL LIKE WESLEY CLARK WHO WON A MAJOR WAR FOR THE U.S. YOU HAVE THE AUDICITY TO CRITICIZE GENERAL CLARK WHILE PANDERING FOR THE HISPANIC VOTE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY (WINK, WINK, McAMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL HISPANICS IN AMERICA). YOU, McCAIN, ARE NO PATRIOT.

Posted by: Chris C | July 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Of course McCain's military experience doesn't qualify him for president, but all else being equal the kind of sacrifice he endured absolutely gives him points to be president. However all else is not equal considering Obama's pals and supporters have been radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans, crooks, muslims, and crackpots.


Posted by: Billw | July 2, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

The link given by karela to Butler (who knew McCain in the military) and his opinion of McCain is democratic propoganda. His theme is that many others suffered in detention as well as McCain, so why should McCain get kudos.

Posted by: Billw | July 2, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing how differently people can translate the same statement into whatever it is they want to hear. General Clark never criticized McCain's military service, neither has any surrogate of Senator Obama's. All that has been stated is that his background does not qualify him for president any more than it qualifies any serviceman or woman. Please someone show a quote where anyone other than bloggers have denegrated his record.

Posted by: jlw | July 2, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Wesley Clark is an opportunist weasel. Look what he said. He bashed McCain's military service then defended Obama by saying that while he has no executive experience, he is running on his character and good judgment? You mean the same character and good judgment as supporting Rev Wright and all the other left wing crazies from Chicago, then throwing them under the bus when the we of no more use to him? His character and judgment is shown everyday when he reverses himself on promises and issues that he once supported only months ago. Obama stands for nothing and is the model of political expediency. His word cannot be trusted and would be a liability in the White House.

Posted by: Danys | July 2, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

When will Sen. McShame release his top video's from his capitivity so that we can see if his pow experience's make him ready to lead US, and how were you deprogrammed
from the MANCHURIAN experiment,SEN!MCKingrat, and gave your Capt. switfboat buddy a congressional medal of honor,someone who is still alive,with all of there limps, did he fall on a handgreda
or same some enlisted man life,or was it just some old lifers pining medals on each other like always!


CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN.

Posted by: Hannity Pal | July 2, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

What Clark said is right. He honors McCain's military service but that service doesn't qualify Mccain to be President. McCain has one of the most anti-military voting records in the Senate over the past 8 years. His support of the Iraq policy is based on his own personal angst and rage over what happened to him and the US in Vietnam. We don't need more leaders who try to make the current and next generation re-fight the last generation's wars. Having Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowitz around the past 8 years has been bad enough. We don't need to be held hostage by Bush's daddy issues, Rummy/Cheney's Napolean complexes, or Wolfowitz's delusions of grandeur. McCain is another bad politican along those lines.
He lacks the dispassionate judgment to be the commander in chief. Obama has thoughtfulness, judgment, character, and he is not personally invested in war in the way that McCain is.

Posted by: Khyber Jones | July 2, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Man, this is getting ugly already... and there are still four months to go. Our beloved country is going off a cliff and this crap is on top of the agenda?

Posted by: Jim from Clinton, CT | July 2, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Clark is a weasel who supported kerry in 2004, because he had the "moral courage" to throw his medals over a fence, betray his fellow soldiers, and hang out with Hanoi Jane after a few scratches and 3 months in nam.

McCain has proven that he will put his country above himself. The closest thing Obama ever got to combat was his bomb making buddy Bill - Bill Ares.

Posted by: Zig, viet nam vet - Pennsylvania | July 2, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The worst thing any country can do is to elect a former career miltary person to the White House. Remember Ike,and Grant? MacAthur, Clark, Powell? Politics and militarism does not mix.

Posted by: George Gray,MSG,USAret | July 2, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

It's not going to work, folks. John McCain is not some haughty, over-bearing dilettante who spent all of four months in-country and then went home to trash his band of brothers and consort with the enemy who kept the likes of John McCain and Edward Alverez consigned to hell. You'll not find large swaths of the voting public who will declare him unfit to report for duty nor unworthy to assume the mantle of Commander-in-Chief.

I'm not much of a fan of McCain's, but I'll vote for him in a NY minute over that over-reaching, arrogant, snot-nosed poseur blowhard who dispatches his minions to denigrate his opponent's service while he smugly pontificates on the true nature of patriotism and pats himself on the back for his "uniquely American story." Congratulations, Dems, you've picked yourselves another loser.

How are you liking your guy these days, 'bots? The FISA-loving, NAFTA-loving, gun-loving, capital punishment-loving, Faith Based Initiative-loving, public-financing rejecting Mr. Pragmatic? It's official--you jokers can stow all that crap about "change" underneath the bus where your candidate has thrown it.

Posted by: SukieTawdry | July 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

As Rupert Murdoch said "McCains been around for a long time and has picked up a lot a baggage". General Clark, in a direct but not unreasonable way has said what most people know.

Posted by: the munz | July 2, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

McCain keeps parading his POW experience out there over and over. Everyone has seen the film of young Johnnie lying in the POW hospital bed many times now. He gets vetted like everyone else he doesn't get a free pass he keeps bringing it up no one else. He is crying like a little girl as if he is untouchable. Crybaby Johonnie McCain what a loser.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Come on, folks, it's COLONEL.

Posted by: Dave | July 2, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I love how all these fools on here sit here and say it is fine to question McCain's military record. If any one asks for Obama's birth cert, selective services record, wether or not he is a muslim, or how his wife got a 100% raise when he got ellected is off limits. Just how is that justified?

Posted by: Jim | July 2, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Obama's typical tactic! Have a surrogate go out and say bad stuff about his opponent then come in and be the hero by saying I do not agree, and throw said surrogate under the bus. The whole time sitting in the background telling his surrogates what to say. He did it to Hillary and Bill numerous times now he is doing it to McCain. I really do not see how anyone can vote for this scum. I was a Hillary supporter who will now back McCain.

Posted by: Mike | July 2, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

It was considered "swiftboating" to question Sen John Jerry's military record. And I don't think he ever released his military record.....and his stories did not stand up to due diligence.

Posted by: Mklindy | July 2, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

McCain's critics can't hide from the fact that he had a long distiguished career in the military as well as a long distiguished political career with a heavy focus on the military. His forbearance as a POW proved his strength of character and love of country.

What about obama? His formative years were spent in an alien culture, he was encouraged first to dislike US culture, then to learn how to use it to his advantage, then from college on he spent most of his time as a race-identity activist surrounding himself with racial seperatists and other racists. He has written books where he clearly expresses his racism. What little political experience he has had is distiguished by avoiding decisions, or making the most leftist choices possible.

Many of his supporters are radicals who hope he would become a de facto socialist dictator who would nationalize whole sectors of the economy such as healthcare and energy. They would like to enforce fascistic restrictions of or elimination of your freedom to choose what to drive and how, whether you can smoke or where, what you can eat and how much, what political views you can express or how, which religion is banned in public and schools, who can own a gun besides government and elites, etc. Many of his more radical supporters would get him to institute race-based income distribution, notwithstanding the reverse-racist discrimination that has becomed entrenched throughout the nation for a generation and which has benefitted the obamas but for which michelle has replied with contempt.

the obama candidacy is the closest that the radical socialist left has ever had to taking over. the nation is counting on mainstream democrats to scrutinize his associates and other life choices he has made, and recognize him as a handsome, articulate wolf in sheep's clothing.

Posted by: Shucky | July 2, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Hi my name is Ron and I am a veteran of the US NAVY. I boarded ships catching pirates and terrorists. (See USS Cape St George vs. pirates )

Please vote for me in 2020 since this qualify's me as a great executive leader.

Thank you and good night....

Posted by: Ron | July 2, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I honestly can't believe the meanness and the ignorance of many of these comments. If you don't want to vote for John McCain, don't. But you are doing Barack Obama a great disservice by criticizing John McCain's war record. For one thing, it makes Senator Obama's lack of any sort of resume even more obvious. And furthermore, it suggests just how far removed so many Americans have become from the reality of life which is that desire to serve and protect this country is the only thing that has kept America free for 200+ years. (Freedom isn't free.) As a side note, I also don't think it is factually fair to compare the military service of John Kerry and John McCain. If you do, you need to go back and read about both. You also need to read about John Kerry's post service testimony to Congress in which he savagely disparaged our military and stated what were later proved to be lies. In any event, John Kerry is not running in this election, and Obama, who didn't even have Kerry's several months in action, is.

Posted by: Jo in Alexandria | July 2, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

There have been quite a number of similar instances during the past few weeks that strongly implies that there is a coordinated effort by Obama and his surrogates to diminish and discredit McCain's military service and experience. This is still another indication that Obama's "Change" candidacy is a charade. He does not intend to be a uniter. He does not intend to change the way Washington politics work. This proves that he doesn't have the character, values, or judgment to be a true leader.
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This only proves you don't like Obama. And you are certainly welcome to your opinion. One could "prove" as many things about McCain if one were so inclined.

If you don't like Obama, then don't vote for him.

Posted by: Humpty Dumpty | July 2, 2008 4:31 AM
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A lot of Americans don't like Obama, and a lot of Americans won't vote for him either. Obama has every reason to resort to a dirty campaign. His implied lead in the polls has vanished and the American people see him for the South Chicago political opportunist that he is. As for John McCain; he doesn't have to apologize for his military service to anyone, especially the Obama pants wetters posting on this board. See you at the polls.

Posted by: Back From Iraq | July 2, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I am surprised McCane can remember the war.

Posted by: JH Florida | July 2, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

What in the flock is a Kernal Day? And who would name his kid " Kernal" in the first place?

We have to be careful that the unwashed and untaught don't take over the world.

Posted by: Harold Vick | July 2, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Let's not forget who was the military commander of the raid on the Branch Davidian compound. Let's see, I think it was an Army guy named Clark.
Anyone, anyone,Bueler???

Posted by: Doc | July 2, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Wesley Clark was Relieved for Cause as NATO Commander in Europe. The words used were for "judgmental and ethical issues." To here this butt-kissing political slimeball harpooning a brave American turns my stomach.. It was Clark who has clearly demonstrated faulty judgement, and EVERYTHING this man says must be questioned.

Posted by: Paul | July 2, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Reading the comments of Washington Post Readers was a shock. There are indeed Americans who hate our country as well as any decent person who serves it well. The ability to express their opinions reflects the lack of human compassion, or knowledge of History for without the service of great and honorable men and women they would not have the right to respond. Too sad they do not know or understand.

Posted by: GRWeicheld | July 2, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Reading the comments of Washington Post Readers was a shock. There are indeed Americans who hate our country as well as any decent person who serves it well. The ability to express their opinions reflects the lack of human compassion, or knowledge of History for without the service of great and honorable men and women they would not have the right to respond. Too sad they do not know or understand.

Posted by: GRweicheld | July 2, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned, this whole Clark situation was a setup for Obama to rise above the comments while touting his patriotism. And as far as "how low will the media go" in touting it's biased liberalism-as low as the public will let it.

Posted by: Kathy | July 2, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Rudy Giuliani when recently asked about the Clark description of McCain judgment, Rudy answered that John would make a good number 2., and that Rudy would be number 1., the more qualified Commander in Chief. There you have it Folks. I don't know John McCain or Colin Powell, but McCain is no Colin Powell. McCain would be at the rear as he was at the very bottom, barely graduating at 894 out of 899, when it comes to Presidential judgment qualifications. McCain did not follow ANY of the Admonitions given by speaker Dwight Eisenhower at the graduation ceremonies. Google: McCain Annapolis graduation for the full Eisenhower graduation speech.

Posted by: Fareed H. Ansari | July 2, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

What has happened to the Democrats? Where are the Democrats that fought in World War ll with honor?

Posted by: Republican | July 2, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Some of the hateful comments about McCain's POW experience are typical of the left leaning, smarmy Socialist democrat party and it's ilk.
McCain was and IS a war HERO..nothing can take that away. Attack his policies if that makes ya'll feeeeeel better, but he put his life in the way of the enemy for YOU AND ME.
WHAT A BUNCH OF PUTZ'S some people prove to be.

Posted by: Alex | July 2, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Bonehead papers like yours love to keep stories going. Kerry was swiftboated,McSame isn't above being questioned about military service. Poor,poor johnny McSame, why is every body picking on him waaaaaah

Posted by: Joe | July 2, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

This certainly deflects attention from Senatot Obama's record of accomplishments, which are ZERO!

Posted by: Chuck | July 2, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

McCain is no Eisenhower................

Posted by: kennytal | July 2, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Of course McCain wants to talk about this. Polls show that the only hope he has of becoming Bush III is that voters will forget about the war in Iraq, a failing economy and a gutted middleclass, and of course the twisted Constitution that George Bush has left as his legacy.

Posted by: madisonhack | July 2, 2008 6:19 AM | Report abuse

How bias can the media be. Lobbyist black that worked for dictators can state how a terroist attack will help Mccain is considered true according to the media, not to mention the what horrible statement it is and how many Americans will die for that to happen. When Gen. Clark states that Mccain's military experience doesn't give him good judgement its not true and shouldn't be questioned. Why don't the media just say they want Mccain so they can continue getting the tax cuts that Bush started.

Posted by: Amy | July 2, 2008 5:49 AM | Report abuse

Mccain should be questioned just because he's a POW doesn't give him an edge on good judgement. Gen. Clark has every right to question Mccain. The public has every right to hear Mccain's answer. The question is how does his military experience gives him good judgement. Mccain didn't answer the question. However, Gen. Clark must be right because Mccain and Graham are definately trying to defend it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 5:44 AM | Report abuse

Mccain's argument is irrelevant until he cut lose Kernal Day.

Posted by: Debbie | July 2, 2008 5:39 AM | Report abuse

Mccain wants to distort what Gen. Clark said which is having military experience doesn't give Mccain and edge on judgement. Why is Gen. Clark making this argument, Mccain is running on foriegn policy and military experience. So Clark is asking Mccain what military experience he had that gave him the ability to exericise good judgement. Normally when you can't answer the question, you change the subject and thats what the Mccain campaign did change the subject. I would like to hear Mccain's answer. What makes him have a better judgement than Obama. I don't believe Mccain does, according to his policies. I think Mccain is out of touch with the American people and his policies prove that. The media should stop giving Mccain a free ride just because he wants to continue giving the 6 figure makers a tax break.

Posted by: Brad | July 2, 2008 5:35 AM | Report abuse

It seems as though Mccain wants Obama to cut Gen. Clark lose because he's affraid to be scrutinized. The argument Gen. Clark made was not on Mccain's patriotism or military experience it was having them doesn't give him the best judgement. Which is true, serving in the military doesn't give a person the best judgement or vision for the country. It sounds like Mccain wants to get Gen. Clark axed as soon as possible before we discover he really does have bad judgement but what Gen. Clark said didn't stop Mccain from hiring Kernal Day who made ads of the same attacks against Kerry that Mccains wants Gen. Clark cut for. Mccain needs to cut Kernel Day and Gen. Clark should be able to question Mccain's judgement. Mccain is running for president on foriegn policy and military experience so why can't he be questioned about either. Its fair game.

Posted by: Alision | July 2, 2008 5:29 AM | Report abuse

After a moment, McCain provided a fuller explanation. "Of course it made me love my country, and it made me understand the great strength and beauty of America," he said. "So I think it made me appreciate more what I've spent my life doing, and that's serving my country, and putting my country first. In the prison camps of North Vietnam, there weren't Republicans or Democrats, there were just patriots."
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There's allot of inconsistencies with Mccain. Mccain is on video stating he didn' love his country until he became a prisoner of war. If he really feels this way can he explain hiring Kernel Day?

Posted by: Blake | July 2, 2008 5:21 AM | Report abuse

Wow this article is surreal. The reporter sounds in love. He really didn't want to talk about being a prisoner of war.
Which is funny since he brings it up everyday, and runs commercials with video of him as a prisoner.

Then this juicy bit:

"Sen. John McCain defended his Vietnam War military service against Democratic attacks Tuesday"

No one attacked his service, but McCains base the press wants to play the victim card, so they will distort, and act like someone did.

Is this the price of getting the special seat on the McCain campaign? Why does the McCain Campaign even employ you, they could just print McCain press release.

Posted by: Julian | July 2, 2008 5:18 AM | Report abuse

If it helped me be president, it made me appreciate how wonderful and great and patriotic Americans are in their leadership...," he said, before trailing off.

If this is a true statement from Mccain than why did he hire Kernel Day who attacked Sen. Kerry' military experience? If Mccain is asking that Gen. Clark is cut loose shouldn't he cut Kernel Day lose? Or it was a big mistake of Mccain to hire him in the first place.
Mccain can't have it both ways. He can't complain about his experience inwhich is totally off message of the point Gen. Clark made, and hire a Kernel Day who did the same thing to Sen. Kerry that Mccain is accusing Obama of. Mccain is being a hypocrite. If he feels he's being wrongly accused which is not what Gen. Clark said then why did he hire someone who accuse a prior presidential candidate on the same issues?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 5:16 AM | Report abuse

Why don't Mccain cut Ken. Day lose who swift boat Sen. John Kerry attacking his military experience and patriotism? Its o.k. for Mccain to hire a ken. Day that did to Sen. Kerry exactly what he's accusing Obama for. I don't know why the media continues to give Mccain a free ride. Why isn't Mccain questioned about the 133 Lobbyist that he has running his campaign. Some lobbyist worked for dictators and funded money to Columbian terroist. why isn't Mccain questioned about all of his flip flops and gaffes. Its not fair how the media gives Mccain a free Ride when Obama is held to a higher standard of criticism. The media is just bias.

Posted by: Sheila | July 2, 2008 5:08 AM | Report abuse

First of all, Obama has denounced statements twice about the general who question's Mccains judgement. Mccains campaign is trying to switch what the general said which is just because Mccain served in the military doesn't mean he has the best or right judgement to run the country. This is true. All of Mccain's policies foreign or domestic are all wrong for the problems were facing this year and the future. Therefore, Mccain should be scrutinized and not given a free pass from the media like he has been and continues to. Vote Obama.

Posted by: Jose | July 2, 2008 5:01 AM | Report abuse

If Mccain is such a good man, why did he hire Kernel Day who was apart of the swift boat team who attacked Sen. John Kerry on the same accusations Mccain is accusing Obama. Kernal day was one of a group of veterens who aired ads against Sen. Kerry attacking and making fun of his military experience and patriotism. Mccain hired this man, but why would he hire someone who attacked another veterens experience and patriotism to protect his own. Mccain is nothing more than a flip flop and the more he say's and does the more the public will back Obama.

Posted by: Larry | July 2, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

Talk about hyprocracy and it will spell Mccain. Mccain and his campaign are accusing obama of attacking his military experience not mentioning Mccain hired swift boat Kernel Day. Kernal Day was apart of the swift boat team that attacked Sen. Kerry's military experience and patriotism during the 2004 elections. How can Mccain accuse Obama for attacking his military experience when he hired a Kernel that did the same thing to Sen. Kerry? What message is Mccain really sending to the public? Its o.k. to scrutinize other veterens military experience and patriotism but he's special. I think Mccain is nothing but a hypocrit and a flip flopper. Mccain would say and do anything to get elected.

Posted by: Maria | July 2, 2008 4:51 AM | Report abuse

There have been quite a number of similar instances during the past few weeks that strongly implies that there is a coordinated effort by Obama and his surrogates to diminish and discredit McCain's military service and experience. This is still another indication that Obama 's "Change" candidacy is a charade. He does not intend to be a uniter. He does not intend to change the way Washington politics work. This proves that he doesn't have the character, values, nor judgment to be a true leader.
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This only proves you don't like Obama. And you are certainly welcome to your opinion. One could "prove" as many things about McCain if one were so inclined.

If you don't like Obama, then don't vote for him.

Posted by: Humpty Dumpty | July 2, 2008 4:31 AM | Report abuse

Rabbit Hole's comments above are complete fabrication. Do you think for a moment that if his babble is true the left wing media would be printing this stuff 24/7. Rabbit Hole stay in your hole, you are an idiot (and a liar).

RL

Posted by: RL, Colorado | July 2, 2008 4:30 AM | Report abuse

After reading some of the comments on this article written by the left-wingers I fear for this country. Barack Hussein Obama is a disaster andf we will be in dire straits if he is elected POTUS. Je is one scarey dude and his potential voters are more so.

CW

Posted by: Chris Werre | July 2, 2008 4:24 AM | Report abuse

Fact is John McCain is a good man who just sold his soul to Bush and the extreme rightwing for the choice to be Pres. Remember he try in 2000 2004.

Gen Clark was only responding to a comment someone esle made. And that is a personal attack ?

Posted by: Oscar | July 2, 2008 3:50 AM | Report abuse

John McCain has Phil Gramm on his staff...this is the American traitor who sold out all his principles to cut himself in on Enron money stolen from regular bill paying citizens. What kind of morals does McCain's cretins have? Greed Greed Greed and Lies Lies Lies.

Posted by: petey | July 2, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

I wonder do the people who fly with McCain or Obama have to take of their shoes before they can get on the plane ?

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com
ps This election is all about shoes, yes shoes do we keep them on or do we take them off and never put them on again when we fly sounds silly but think about it.

Posted by: VJ Machiavelli | July 2, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Let's hear about how you're going to wrap this mess up in Iraq, JM, rather than about how shocked you are that someone has the nerve to criticize you. We've had enough Republican hissy fits (and sycophantic media attention to them) to last us for a while, so move on to the substance, please.

Posted by: Sportin' Life | July 2, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

1. Neither Sen. McCain nor his campaign have ever said that his time as a POW was executive experience directly applicable to being Commander-in-Chief. They have always said that what makes him the best qualified to be Commander-in-Chief is his cumulative record which includes not only serving in Vietnam and imprisonment as a POW, but also his time as liaison to the Senate, years as a Congressman and Senator, and years as the ranking member of the Armed Forces and Commerce committees.

2. Nevertheless, his POW experience reflects many virtues that are absolutely necessary to make a great president: honor, character, judgment, valor, courage, strength, leadership, moral clarity, self-sacrifice, etc.

3. What Clark said was technically accurate, however, it was a moot point since McCain had never claimed that his POW experience was directly applicable executive experience. However, it is clear through the tone and wording of his statements that Clark intended to demean McCain's service. That is what is unacceptable.

4. There have been quite a number of similar instances during the past few weeks that strongly implies that there is a coordinated effort by Obama and his surrogates to diminish and discredit McCain's military service and experience. This is still another indication that Obama 's "Change" candidacy is a charade. He does not intend to be a uniter. He does not intend to change the way Washington politics work. This proves that he doesn't have the character, values, nor judgment to be a true leader.

Posted by: Armando | July 2, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Jesus, is McCain some kind of whiny little wimp, or what? You're running for president, old man! If you can't take the heat, it's time to retire.

Posted by: Sportin' Life | July 2, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

I am a staunch Obama supporter and I am well versed in politics for what it is worth. If Obama doesn't grow some stones pretty fast and tell McCain to go run his own broke-leg campaign and stop trying to run Obama's, I'm going to vote for Barr or Nadar.

Nothing that Wes Clark said even suggested that McCain's record of service was in question. If I go into the Navy and fly planes; does that make me qualified to run the country? Geezzz, let's hope not!!!

One of the comments here said that if the poster had to go back 40 years and pick who he would go to war with [paraphrasing], he'd pick Clark over McCain. Absolutely!

I do not see McCain as much of a hero. From what I've read, McCain lost 5 planes and bombed a school with over 100 children in it; was captured and sang; come home and dumped his wife - who waited for him and who was disabled from an auto accident - to pick up with Cindy McCain (who looks like she would make a nice garden fairy ornament). That's not my idea of a hero. I'm empathetic of his years as a POW, but he wasn't learning economics - by his own admission - and he wasn't learning social services - and he wasn't walking the streets of America organizing civic opportunities to help the less fortunate.

He might have experience from his senate years, but it's not the kind of experience I'm intersted in seeing in the White House.

There is no way I can listen to McCain for 4 years. His speeches are like watching paint dry! And why even listen... just get a copy of his senate record and imagine the opposite and you know what McCain stands for.

Obviously the country is in a mess; that's a given. Obama is progressive and insightful - not to mention his ability to run a campaign the likes of which no one has ever done. Somebody please tell the old folks that it's our turn and our time to take over the country and move it forward.

Obama really needs to tell McCain to enjoy his townhall meetings, and that hanging with him in a foreign war country is not high on the priority list, and just as soon as he stops talking out of both sides of his mouth, both campaigns can get into what they plan to do to lift the oppression we are a living under right now.

Posted by: Toi | July 2, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

I hate to say it, but it was a bit blunt, even coming from someone who's military experience far surpasses McCants.
Cains camp has done a good job of not letting him Toot his own horn about that subject, but let someone else bring it up and WHAMMO, its all over the press, i seriously beleive reporters today have no spine to go find their own stories, they just wait for the next "attack" like conversation, and blow it all outta praportion.
Look at McCains voting history on military issues, on support for troops, on support for soldiers coming back from a war, and you will be amazed at how two faced he is..Wha Wha about his experience, but turn his back on our sons and daughters,, Its pretty sick to see .

Posted by: Mullett | July 2, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

The man served his country and went through absolute Hades for five years. How unappreciative and mean spirited some of the commenters are here. Don't vote for him if you don't wish to, but to tear him to pieces, wish that he had died at the hands of America's enemies? What has happened to this country that people would even say such terrible things. Some things are sacred. Some things are to be treasured by all citizens. In fact McCain rarely talks about any of this. And certainly, his military record should not be the target of a smear campaign by any American, ever. For his service, we owe him nothing but our gratitude and respect.

Posted by: jo in Alexandria | July 2, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Wesley Clark said McCain was a hero and an inspiration. Then, when Bob Schieffer mentioned that Obama was never shot down and made a POW, Clark said that being shot down and made a POW isn't a qualification to be president. I guess if you're looking to be offended, this can offend you. But not otherwise.

Nice piece of stenography, Ms. Eilperin.

Posted by: tom | July 2, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

This like beating a Narc at a Biker Rally, I am glad to see people are catching on to this PX WarHero, He is know down in Colombia where the blow is free! and I am sure that his wife, a skinny Courtney Love Rodeo Tramp is having a ball or an 8ball that is, Man some many people think this guy can run a Country, He cant even open his email. Truly Sad, well looks like the Dems are going whoop him like Reagean whooped Dukias, Or Like the Bill whooped up on Bob Dole, Who are the fools that Run the Gop, Iceberg ahead, and it's a Black Man ahhhhh ahhh run and save your white women. Besides Nov is along way off and McShame or SongBird might not make it that far

Posted by: RaferJanders | July 2, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

There were 600 other prisoners at the POW camp when McCain was there, many of them were there much longer than McCain. One of them was Dr. Phillip Butler who was interned for 8 years including the 5 that McCain was there. He has much to say regarding the spin McCain puts on things. He was also with McCain at the Naval Academy. Butler was highly decorated with two purple hearts, two legions of merits, two bronze stars and two silver stars. He went on to be career Navy and retired in 1981. Read what he has to say:
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.html

Posted by: karela | July 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Juan McAmnesty Lies:

"But I think that the overriding theme of this campaign, or message of this campaign, is that I will put my country first."

Would that Country be Mexico?

Iraq?

Hey McAmnesty, what would YOU call 20 MILLION People having Infiltrated another Country-on the Sly?

A "Good Start"? :-(

That is OVER 1 out of every 5 Adults McClown!

Stop betraying this Country already!

REMOVE your Bid! You are a Senator, NOT the Executive we need!

Neither is Barry O'Bomba-Nation! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | July 2, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

"...McCain defended his Vietnam War military service against Democratic attacks"

I read the transcript of the Clark interview with Bob Schieffer. I don't see any 'attack' on McCain's military record or experience. Why do so many -- including the MSM call this an attack? Watch for yourself and tell me where the 'attack' is on McCain's military record.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kag0bBJVkIw

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

There's no need to be mean to McCain. He's not getting my vote, but that's no reason to wish he had died in nam.

Posted by: islandtal | July 2, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

YOu know how objective Juliet Eilperin's reporting is when she'd praised by right wing crackpots like Vivita and peace4world. But one can't blame Juliet, because McCain's spokesman said that any criticism of their candidate and the reporter would be booted of the plane. Straight talk my @$$!

Posted by: playa | July 2, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Let's admit it. America would be a better and far more decent place if John McCain had died in that prison camp in Hanoi.

Posted by: David S. Robins | July 2, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Obama - do not let McCain bully you into breaking ties with Clark. He's trying to get you to do that because he knows Clark is a big advantage to your campaign, especially if he's selected for Veep!!

Posted by: islandtal | July 2, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

"he recalled when McCain spoke out against torture by the United States on the grounds that it then becomes used as a propaganda by America's enemies." And then he embraced and supported Bush instead of calling for his impeachment. THAT would take courage and conviction, not kow towing to the Bushies.

Posted by: thebob.bob | July 2, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

"Sen. John McCain defended his Vietnam War military service against Democratic attacks Tuesday ... "

You call that reporting. That's total bullspit. It is not an 'attack' to question ones ability to be a commander-in-chief. I'm still waiting for Bush display his ability to be a good commander-in-chief. McCain's military record does not give any evidence that he is superior to Obama as the person that would be directing the USA's military objectives.

"and he pressed Sen. Barack Obama to remove retired Gen. Wesley Clark from any role in his campaign."

If you question military-man McCain you can't be part of the political process? That's absurd nonsense. Btw, does McCain realize his so-called military expertise (which includes getting captured) falls far short of the accomplishments of General Clark? I doubt he does, and that should tell you all you need to know about John "Liar liar pants on fire" McCain. -- Bob J.

Posted by: Bob J. | July 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Still not a peep from the cowed mainstream media about the Veteran's group against John McCain for his collaboration with the North Vietnamese during captivity. Gotta keep that McCain Myth spotless. He serves up such a feast on his ranch, doncha know.

The Washington media is SO worthless.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_declassified_landing.htm

Posted by: We're all in the rabbit hole now. | July 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

After 72 hrs. in captivity McCain denounced the USA. He was then moved out of the Hanoi Hilton and into a REAL hotel complete with prostitutes. He's been a hero of the communist left ever since.
And let's not forget he also finished at the BOTTOM of his class at Annapolis. He was shot down & captured. Are you picking up on the pattern of failure here?
Oh, and how can we forget his roll in the Keating Five. So what we have here is a man that's been a failure most of his life. He's proven himself weak and without character. And he's proven himself willing to sell out to the highest bidder.
Is this really the kind of scum sucker we want in the White House?

Posted by: DWayne | July 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

McCain on his return from vietnam "i never really loved America until I was deprived of her?"
That is a fact!
McCain has said numerous times that military service is not a requirement for being a good President.
That is a fact.
Wesley Clark said " I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President."
That is a fact.
This article is not a fair representation of the facts, it is a press fluff piece that ignores not only the facts, but any real discussion of policy or differences between the candidates.

McCain is a media darling because he gives them access and WAS (in 2000) a real maverick and offered great sound bites.

How about some facts? Save the bias for Fox.

Posted by: just the facts | July 2, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

I see this s!ut vivita showed up again. She needs to take a chill pill and disappear. McSlime will never be president, and illegal aliens like her will never be granted citizenship. GO BACK TO YOUR HELLHOLE!!!

Posted by: playa | July 2, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Re: Current Score on Fiorina vs. Clark

Carley Fiorina (A+): If McCain's Campaign keeps her communication style that is based on facts and true stories, this election is over.

Yes, free trade has created many jobs--stand by the factual numbers of jobs that export has created; free trade also has strengthened America's strategic relations with its allies. Without free trade, America cannot resolve its current trade deficits.

Despite such "factual" reality, Obama, in his speech delivered in MI and OH, disowned Asian allies. He accused that the job loss in MI and OH was because of "South Korea" and "Japan" who do not import American beefs. It is a false claim, proving that Obama has NO clue about nuclear terrorism and global politics.

Gen. Clark (F+): What Clark did today when interviewed by Andrea Mitchell was to repeat the exactly same tactics as what Obama has been using--Avoiding tough questions and instead mentioning irrelevant issues to divert the focus of a question being asked.

I am sick of Obama's gaudy tactics in that he just denied what-he-said-and-did by making stories. Obama's Campaign totally discredited all American soldiers serving in Iraq and overseas: All soldiers are patriotic regardless of their ranks held.
Obama again, of course, disowned them to avoid his politically-inconvenient situation. For him to question McCain's military service is out of his own "deficiency" syndrome as well.

All McCain has to do is telling America the Truth. McCain has to inform America of its commitment as a global leader. When he said "100 years" meant America's commitment to our allies as well as its leadership role as the Super Power. America simply can't walk away by giving-up its role as the Super Power. Even if America failed in Vietnam, it was the right thing to do to deter the spread of communism.

Can America survive without free trade? Can America maintain its strategic relations with the world without free trade? Can America be strong without playing its role expected to us the Super Power? Obama has NO clue why Nixon visited China--NO clue why the United States is engaged in Asia and Middle East.

Let them explain what they meant again--both Obama and Clark--to clarify their intentions. Both did not answer the questions asked or raised.

Posted by: peace4world | July 2, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

SHUT UP YOU SON OF A B!TCH McSLIME, SWIFTBOATING A RESPECTED GENERAL LIKE WESLEY CLARK WHO WON A MAJOR WAR FOR THE U.S. YOU HAVE THE AUDICITY TO CRITICIZE GENERAL CLARK WHILE PANDERING FOR THE HISPANIC VOTE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY (WINK, WINK, McAMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL HISPANICS IN AMERICA). YOU, McCAIN, ARE NO PATRIOT.

Posted by: playa | July 2, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Much better, Juliet. Amazing what a good reporter you can be when you just report what happened and leave the editorializing and distortions of the facts to other parts of the newspaper. Stick to the facts, Juliet, like you did here.

Posted by: Vivita | July 2, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to hear what Ross Perot thinks of John McCain's POW experience, and his character.

And as for the Obama throwing Clark under the bus, I suppose that'll happen after McCain cuts loose Black, Davis and Iseman.

Wesley Clark is a better military man than John McCain. If I had to go back in time forty years and fight with one of them at my side it would have been Clark. He was serious, well studied, and he wasn't a punk. That he lost a bunch of planes isn't surprising to me. I wouldn't doubt that he flew hungover on many occasion.

Let's be frank: McCain wouldn't be anything if weren't for his dad. And I'm sick of those kind of politicians.

I respect McCain's service. But he's been a mediocre politician. He would have sufficed in 2000, but today's challenges require more.

Sorry pal,

Posted by: JR, Boston | July 1, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

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