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McCain Touts Iraq Successes, Hits Obama


Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) listens to an audience member's question during a campaign stop at the Rochester Opera House in Rochester, N.H., July 22, 2008. (Associated Press)

By Robert G. Kaiser
ROCHESTER, N.H.--Far from Amman, Jordan, where the world's news media was fixated on Sen. Barack Obama, his presidential rival, presumptive GOP nominee Sen. John McCain told a town meeting here that U.S. troops "have succeeded and we will win the war in Iraq."

In midday remarks to a lively crowd in the old Rochester Opera House, McCain criticized Obama for sticking to his proposal for a timetable for the withdrawal of American troops from the war zone. "Now he wants to reverse the success we have had and set a date for withdrawal," McCain said. He ignored recent statements supporting withdrawal by 2010 from the prime minister of Iraq, Nouri al-Maliki and the Bush White House's implicit recent support of the idea.

McCain accused Obama of stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the success of the surge that McCain proposed and President Bush adopted last year. He credited himself with having the "courage and judgment" to say last year that he would rather win the war than lose a campaign, and today said "it seems to me that Senator Obama would rather lose a war" than change his mind about the surge publicly. "I hope that he will have the courage to reverse his position," McCain said.

"We will be coming home, our troops will be withdrawing, but they will come home in victory and in honor," McCain said. By then "We will have restrained Iranian influence in the region," McCain said. "We will have a stable and pro-American and pro-western government in Iraq. We will see and are seeing economic, political and judicial progress in that country." They still have "a long way to go," he added, but his declarations of success already seemed to go farther than he has in the past.

Pressed by a white-haired woman in the audience who spoke out strongly against the war, McCain restated his optimistic views more forcefully. Because of success in Iraq, he said, "We will have a stable, democratic regime there... We will have a Middle East that does not have the disruptive influences that would have resulted from a failure in Iraq... I am confident that the victory which we are winning, and we have succeeded, will bring about change...in the entire region."

"We have succeeded," McCain elaborated. "Sadr city is safe. Basra is safe. Mosul is safe. The people of Iraq are now leading normal lives. There will continue to be spectacular attacks. They are not completely defeated... We have to continue with this strategy that has succeeded..." He also predicted that the same strategy applied in Afghanistan will produce victory there as well.

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Obama! Because his name is so easy to spell!

Posted by: Yeppwe | July 27, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

I am experienced in losing wars, experienced in being an incompetent pilot, experienced in being captured, experienced for committing adultery, experienced for violating military code of conduct for having numerous sexual relations with subordinates, a crime, experienced with collaborating with the enemy providing them with military plans and targets and making dozens of Anti-American videotapes, experienced in killing 168 US sailors on the USS Forrestal, experienced in drug use and being a drunk partying, experienced gold digging, experienced in graduating 894 out of 899, experienced war criminal dropping bombs on innocent women and children, experienced in hiding my disgusting treasonous military records, experienced in hiring hundreds of Corporate and Foreign lobbyists to run my campaign, experienced in daddy giving me medals I did not deserve. I am experienced in Farting, too.

I know how to win wars, because I graduated at the bottom of my class, crashed 5 naval planes, killed 168 US Sailors on the USS Forrestal, got easily captured, couldn't escape, collaborated with the enemy, told them daddy was head of Pacific Ops, daddy gave me a bunch of medal that I didn't deserve, yep, I can win wars in my dreams after getting some with all my sex partners.

I can win wars, I dropped bombs on innocent women and children like all Coward Patriot Terrorist War Criminals, I can win wars because my hundreds of Corporate and Foreign Government Lobbyists will tell me which Military Industrial Company to spend billions of tax dollars with, that why I opposed the Boeing Air Force tanker deal, Rick Davis told me to support EADS. If the White House War Criminal Terrorist didn't start his Illegal Invasions, I wouldn't have voted for the Splurge and America would not have wasted Trillions. I know how to win wars with women. I got on top of every women I ever did. Too bad, I am not smart, graduating 894 out of 899, Class 1958, US Naval Academy, daddy pulled strings to get me in, former Astronaut Bruce McCandless graduated #2, he is smart, not me.

Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Songbird Traitor War Criminal Terrorist McCorrupt?

What Would Jesus Kill?

Posted by: Old Fart Adulterer Songbird Traitor McCorrupt? | July 24, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

1. Why would a "war hero" refuse to release his Complete Military Records? What is he hiding? Kerry signed the Form 180 waiver and released all of his records. Old Fart Adulterer Songbird Make it a Hundred Traitor War Criminal McBush refuses to do so. Why?
2. He received numerous demerits at the US Naval Acadamy and graduated 894 out of 899. His 4 star Admiral daddy pulled strings to get him into the Academy. Daddy helped him become a pilot in the Navy despite his despicable record of alcoholism, drug use and womanizing at the academy.
3. He admitted to collaborating with the enemy providing them with military targets, operations and plans.
4. He killed 168 US sailors on the USS Forrestal being a hotdog idiot, and his 4 star Admiral daddy promptly
transferred him to another ship
5. He admitted to being a War Criminal on 60 Minutes, 1997, CBS News,for bombing innocent women and children
6. Why did the Vietnamese give him the codename Songbird?
7. He made dozens of Anti-American videos for the enemy denouncing America.
8. Why did the Vietnamese erect a bust in his honor?
9. All Republicans in Congress voted to release government records of POW/MIA on Vietnam, only 1 person blocked it, Old Fart Songbird Traitor McBush. Why did he want those records sealed?
10. Wouldn't the Navy wash his records? His father and grandfather were both 4 star admirals in the Navy.
11. How did he receive medals which required 2 eyewitnesses when there were none?
12. How did he get 28 medals in less than 20 hours of combat? Did his 4 star admiral daddy give him medals he did not deserve? Some grunts fighting on the ground for 7000 hours received no medals
13. He told his captors he was the son of a 4 star Admiral who was the head of Pacific Military Operations to receive special preferential treatment and medical care, violating Military Code of Conduct.
14. There is no evidence he was tortured
15. There is no evidence his plane was shotdown. He was an incompetent pilot having crashed 4 other Naval planes previously.
16. He also violated military uniform code of conduct by having numerous sexual relations with subordinates, a crime.
17. He was not eligible to be released as a POW based on military protocol, the oldest POW is released first.
18. Daddy helped get him jobs in DC after he returned.
19. Immediately, upon returning he started having sexual affairs while still married with 2 kids, gold digging until he snagged rich Cindy whose daddy owned the 2nd largest Budweiser distributorship.
20. Why does he want to stay in Iraq forever? Research his Lobbyists and their clients, especially, Rick Davis and Charle Black.
21. Some Vietnam Vets believe he is the Manchurian Candidate, do some research on that.


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If Old Fart Adulterer Songbird Traitor McCorrupt wins, his administration will be the most corrupt in history.

Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Songbird Traitor War Criminal Terrorist McCorrupt?

What Would Jesus Kill?


No Illegal Invasions means No Splurge, No Dead Soldiers, Trillions Saved,

Old Fart War Criminal voted for the Illegal Invasions, Obama didn't.

Posted by: What Would Jesus Kill? | July 24, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Who the hell cares about Queen Elisabeth being entertained at the White house. I bet the poster degrading a persons eating habit has not looked in the mirror lately. Totally inappropriate blog. Should be removed and the person black listed. Don't forget Bush Senior puking in front of the world.

Posted by: justadad55+ | July 23, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse


McCain is not fit to be President, ESPECIALLY since it has become clear this self-proclaimed "foreign policy expert" hasn't got a clue. Even about Iraq.

He doesn't know where Iraq is and what countries it borders.

He doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia and what that means to Iraq, Iran and al Qaeda.

He doesn't know how many troops are in Iraq.

He doesn't know the general timeline of events in Iraq. He thinks the surge created the Anbar Awakening when in fact the Anbar Awakening began months before the surge was even conceived.

He thinsk Putin is the Presdident of Germany.

He doesn't know Czechoslovakia hasn't been a country for oh, 15 YEARS.

And so on.

The man is either too stupid or too old (or a bit of both) to be President.

Posted by: sequoia | July 23, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm heartened to read so many cogent arguments against the election of John McCain to the presidency.

I am one who never feared Saddaam Hussein, and therefore never understood the need to "remove" him. I wonder if anyone now recognizes that his murderous regime was only a different (and evidently more efficient) version of our very strategy in Iraq, which is to kill anyone who defies us?

One last point: Hussein hated Al Queda, and his cold blooded approach to politics very effectively snuffed their power in his country.

Imagine how wonderful things would be if we could return to the days when Iraqi politics, horrendous as they were, were not any of our business. They are inordinately worse now, and we own them.

We cannot go back, but I think Obama understands the situation and has the wherewithal to lead us into the long fix. He has my vote.

Posted by: jerry | July 23, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Premier,

In case you were wondering, McCain's records contain ratings as an aviator that were marginal at best. There may be more reasons but I have no other information.

Why did John become the first in his family in three generations to not go on to be an admiral? Probably you would need his service records to know.

Posted by: G8tr | July 23, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Re: Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Songbird McBush?

You got the wrong place: Post for NYT.

Posted by: premier | July 23, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Chill out, MsSwin! No need to be desperate. Just play a fair game.

Posted by: premier | July 23, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I thought McCain was supposed to be talking about the economy this week? huh so much for that, will OBama dictate every turn for the next 4 months?

Posted by: Susan | July 23, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

Politicians put their foot in their mouth on a regular basis. Gaffes happen. Sometimes it may be the result of long hours on the campaign trail, sometimes because they simply can't keep their facts straight and sometimes because they can't keep their lies straight. Sometimes it's simply because they do not understand the facts.

Couric/McCain Interview:
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4284432n%22%20rel=%22nofollow%22%3E

"Couric: Senator McCain, Sen. Obama says, while the increased number of U.S. troops contributed to increased security in Iraq, he also credits the Sunni awakening and the Shiite government going after militias. And says that there might have been improved security even without the surge. What's your response to that?

McCain: I don't know how you respond to something that is such a false depiction of what actually happened. Colonel McFarland was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening."

Per President Bush and Col. MacFarland, the Anbar awakening was already well under way through organized efforts by the tribal leaders well before the surge began. These events took place months before the surge was even announced. Per McCain, the surge 'began' the Anbar awakening.

"But now that the population and the tribal leaders are beginning to make common cause against al Qaeda, the tide is -- the table is turned completely against al Qaeda, and now it's the al Qaeda forces that need to be worried about living in those neighborhoods." [Col. MacFarland, 09/29/06]

"And I really do think that the dynamic in Ramadi has changed and changed in an important way. You know, any previous reports from my predecessors that you, you know, may have heard notwithstanding -- the tribal dynamic is new here. It's got legs, it's moving forward and it's because success begets success." [Col. MacFarland, 09/29/06]

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=3738

McCain also neglects the fact that although the surge helped to support an awakening already in progress, the new troops headed for Baghdad, not Anbar. He also gives little credit to the ongoing Sadr truce.

The Couric interview gets even more interesting as McCain tries to distance himself from the numerous failed Iraq policies under the Bush administration:

"Couric: Sen. Obama also told me, Sen. McCain, that the money spent on those additional troops, on the surge, might have been more effective had it gone to Afghanistan or even to a better energy policy in the United States. What's your response?

McCain: The fact is we had four years of failed policy. We were losing. We were losing the war in Iraq. The consequences of failure and defeat of the United States of America in the first major conflict since 9/11 would have had devastating impacts throughout the region and the world."

You have to ask, why would you support a president responsible for four years of failure.

"no one has supported President Bush on Iraq more than I have." [John McCain, 03/28/08)

"The fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush." [John McCain, 06/19/05]

"I am proud of this president's strategy in Iraq." [John McCain, upon receiving endorsement from President Bush, 02/13/08]

Quotes are a living history of our thought processes, how well we think, what we think and when we think it. Even Carly can't change that fact:

"To say that John McCain was aligned with President Bush on the prosecution of the war in Iraq is to change history." [Carly Fiorina, McCain Campaign Advisor, 07/13/08]

Posted by: MsSwin | July 23, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse


Is McCain's Age Showing? Tongues Wag Over Flubs

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 23, 2008; C01

We interrupt the nonstop coverage of Barack Obama's overseas trip to bring you some breaking whispers about John McCain.

He has been making a series of verbal slips -- invariably described as "gaffes" -- that are starting to ricochet from liberal blogs to the mainstream media. And fairly or not, some critics are suggesting the 71-year-old Republican candidate is showing his age.

McCain referred to the "Iraq-Pakistan border" in a "Good Morning America" interview; since there is no such border, he must have meant Afghanistan-Pakistan. He has twice referred to Czechoslovakia, a country that ceased to exist in 1993; mixed up Sunnis and Shiites; and identified Vladimir Putin as president of Germany.

Aides to the Arizona senator dismiss the missteps as meaningless, noting that their man is far more accessible to journalists than Obama. "When you engage with reporters from 8:30 a.m. till 8 at night, you're bound to make a gaffe," says McCain communications director Jill Hazelbaker. "People are yearning for the kind of president who takes tough questions, and that's who John McCain is."

As for the candidate's septuagenarian status, Hazelbaker says: "I'd encourage anyone who has concerns about John McCain's age to join him on the campaign trail. He keeps an exhausting schedule -- often visiting two or three states a day -- answering dozens of questions from voters and the media along the way."

With Katie Couric, Charlie Gibson and Brian Williams traveling overseas to interview Obama this week, a debate has erupted over the imbalance in media attention. Last week, says a Project for Excellence in Journalism study of print and electronic coverage, Obama was a significant or dominant factor in 83 percent of election stories, and McCain in 52 percent. The McCain camp yesterday sent out a mocking video compilation of pundits praising the Illinois Democrat, saying: "The media is in love with Barack Obama. If it wasn't so serious, it would be funny."

But there is a counter-narrative, which has taken root on the left, that McCain is the one being treated with journalistic kid gloves. In this view, Obama's every utterance is scrutinized, while McCain, who enjoyed warm relations with reporters during his 2000 White House campaign, pays little price for blunders.

Dan Abrams, the host of MSNBC's "Verdict," told viewers Monday that "gaffe after gaffe after gaffe come from John McCain, and they are forgotten. . . . There is no way Barack Obama would be able to get away with something like this."

Politico catalogued the errors on its Web site yesterday, saying: "McCain's mistakes raise a serious, if uncomfortable question: Are the gaffes the result of his age? And what could that mean in the Oval Office?"

The question is fair, says veteran analyst Charlie Cook of National Journal. "People wonder if McCain is kind of like a pitcher seven or eight years past his prime and misses a few here and there," he says. "When you're about to turn 72, people are going to be watching to see if you're slipping."

Of course, a 46-year-old candidate can slip as well. Obama told reporters in Jordan yesterday that "Israel is a strong friend of Israel's," obviously meaning to say the United States.

Still, Obama supporters are turning up the volume on what they see as a slanted approach.

"McCain has been a media darling forever, and now he's making the claim that he's not getting enough media coverage? It's comical," says Mitchell Bard, a writer and filmmaker who blogs at the Huffington Post.

"If Obama had said the things McCain has said, the media would be all over that as an example of his inexperience: 'He doesn't even know that Iraq and Pakistan don't share a border. He doesn't even know that Czechoslavakia hasn't been a country for 15 years.' When John McCain says it, it's 'Oh, that's just John McCain.' The media have decided that McCain is a knowledgeable foreign policy expert, and anything that doesn't fit into that paradigm is just ignored."

McCain's years in the Navy and frequent visits to such war zones as Iraq may well provide him with a degree of inoculation. Kevin Madden, the former spokesman for Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, said it is "much harder to make the argument that John McCain doesn't know what he's talking about" because of his long experience in foreign policy.

In Obama's case, Madden said, "every single misstep magnifies his inexperience. Whereas the challenge for John McCain is that every single misstep magnifies his age. The McCain campaign is cognizant of that. He often defuses it very quickly with humor."

McCain's age has become a staple of late-night comedy shows, and the candidate sometimes plays along. He said on "Saturday Night Live" that America needs a president "who is very, very, very old." And last week he pretended to doze off when Conan O'Brien raised the subject.

But a penchant for mangling the facts is not so easily laughed off -- at least if it becomes a theme of media coverage. Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia's Center for Politics, says a critique pushed by bloggers may resonate because of concerns about McCain's age.

"For that reason, the murmurs have become louder with each additional error," Sabato says. But, he adds, "if any of us had a camera on us 24 hours a day, the list of mistakes would be longer than our arms."

Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Songbird McBush?

What Would Jesus Kill?

Posted by: Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Songbird McBush? | July 23, 2008 2:07 AM | Report abuse

AlterNet
10 McCain Gaffes from This Week That Should Have Damaged His Chances
By Max Bergmann, Huffington Post
Posted on July 12, 2008,
http://www.alternet.org/story/91245/

This is the week that should have effectively ended John McCain's efforts to become the next president of the United States. But you wouldn't know it if you watched any of the mainstream media outlets or followed political reporting in the major newspapers.

During this past week: McCain called the most important entitlement program in the U.S. a disgrace, his top economic adviser called the American people whiners, McCain released an economic plan that no one thought was serious, he flip flopped on Iraq, joked about the deaths of Iranian citizens, and denied making comments that he clearly made --- TWICE. Yet watching and reading the mainstream press you would think McCain was having a pretty decent political week, I mean at least Jesse Jackson didn't say anything about him.

But let's unpack McCain's week in a little more detail.

1. McCain unambiguously called Social Security "an absolute disgrace." This is not a quote taken out of context. John McCain called one of the most successful and popular government programs, which uses the tax revenues of current workers to support retirement benefits for the elderly "an absolute disgrace." This is shocking -- and if uttered from Obama's mouth would dominate the news coverage and the Sunday shows, as pundits would speculate about the massive damage the statement would cause him among retirees in Florida.

2. McCain's top economic policy adviser calls Americans a bunch of "whiners" for being worried about the slumping economy. Words cannot fully explain how devastating this statement should be from Phil Gramm. You would think it would be enough to sink McCain's campaign. Of course McCain only thinks that the economic problems are psychological.

3. Iraqi leaders call for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal, McCain gets caught in a bizarre denial and flip flop. The Iraqis now want us to begin planning our withdrawal -- McCain however wants to stay foooorrreeevvveerrrr. So what does McCain say -- First, he refuses to accept Maliki's statement as being true. Then he concedes that it was an accurate statement, but was probably just a political ploy to curry favor with his own people and WOULD NOT influence his determination to keep US troops in Iraq indefinitely. Yet, McCain in 2004 at the Council on Foreign Relations said that if the Iraqis asked us to leave, we would have to go. No matter what. But that was apparently a younger and less experienced John McCain.

But let's just look at his comment that Maliki's statement is "just politics." If that is true, then it must also be true that the American military presence in Iraq is so unpopular with Iraqis that the government is forced to push for a timetable in order to survive at the ballot box. That's a reason to stay for 100 years.

4. McCain's economic plan to cut the deficit has no details and is simply not believable. There are so many things here. McCain pledges he would eliminate the deficit by the end of his first term (the campaign latter flip flop flipped about whether it was four years or eight years), but does not provide any details about how he would do it. Economists on both sides of the political aisle said that this was simply not believable, especially given McCain's other proposals to a) cut individual and corporate taxes even further, b) extend the Bush tax cuts and c) massively increase defense spending on manpower (200,000 more troops) and d) maintain a long-term sizable military presence in Iraq.

5. McCain's deficit plan includes bringing the troops home represents a major Iraq flip-flop. Speaking of the long-term military presence -- a story that has gotten absolutely no attention is that McCain now believes the war will be over soon. The economic forecasts made by his crack team of economists predict that there will be significant savings during McCain's first term because we will have achieved "victory" in Iraq and Afghanistan. The savings from victory (ie the savings from not having our troops there) will then be used to pay down the deficit. The only way this could have any impact on the deficit in McCain's first time is if troop withdrawals start very soon. So McCain believes victory is in our grasps and we can begin withdraw troops from Iraq pretty much right away --- doesn't sound that different from Obama's plan does it. Someone should at least ask McCain HOW HE DEFINES VICTORY -- and why he thinks we will achieve it in the next couple of years.

6. McCain campaign misled about economists support. In the major press release the McCain campaign issued to tout its Jobs for America economic plan that would balance the budget in 4 years, it included the signatures of more than 300 economists who the campaign claimed to support the plan. Only problem is that the economists were actually asked to sign up to SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Um, hello?

7. McCain makes a joke about killing Iranians. Haha... that's just McCain being McCain. I am sure that is exactly how it is being reported in Tehran. This guy is running for President not to become a talk radio pundit. Yet according to the AP this was just a humanizing moment between candidate and spouse -- I am not sure when joking about the deaths of civilians became humanizing.

8. McCain denies, flatly, that he ever said that he is not an expert in economics. Are you kidding?


9). McCain distorts his record on veterans benefits in response to a question from Vietnam Veteran, who then proceeds to call McCain out on it.

10.) McCain demonstrates he knows nothing about Afghanistan and Pakistan. McCain said "I think if there is some good news, I think that there is a glimmer of improving relationship between Karzai and the Pakistanis." Pat Barry notes how crazy this comment is..."Just what "glimmer" is McCain talking about?? Maybe he's referring to President Karzai's remarks last month, which threatened military action in Pakistan if cross-border attacks persisted? Or maybe McCain is talking about Afghanistan's allegations that Pakistan's ISI was involved in a recent assassination attempt on Karzai? Maybe in McCain's world you could call that a silver-lining, but in reality-land I'd call it something else."

Any one of these incidents and comments would dominate the news cycle if they came from the Obama campaign. Yet McCain barely gets a mention. The press like to see themselves as political referees -- neutral observers that call them like they see em'. But they want this to be a horse race and so all the calls right now are going one way. How else can you explain the furor last week over the Obama "refine" comment -- which represented zero change in Obama's position on Iraq -- and the "swift boat" mania over Wesley Clark's uncontroversial comments (psss... by the way McCain exploits his POW experience in just about every ad -- yet he says he doesn't like to talk about it).

This Sunday expect the ten incidents above to get short shrift from pundit after pundit, because after all Jesse Jackson said he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off.

Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Songbird McBush?

What Would Jesus Kill?

Posted by: Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Songbird McBush? | July 23, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I don't know about Chuck Hagel. If chosen as VP, will he make Obama more relatable? On the RGI (Regular Guyness Index, he gets 3 points for being from Nebraska, but loses 3 for being a college graduate. See more at: http://www.236.com/news/2008/07/22/i_want_to_be_number_two_chuck_1_7848.php

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Posted by: ffwz8tlby3 | July 23, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

This war sucks. The real toll on everyone involved is incalculable. Too many stories, too much pain. On both sides. War sucks, and it should only be a last resort.

McCain not wanting to talk to our 'enemies' is the last straw.

He and Bush were not honest with the American people going into this thing, and they still are playing games with people's lives.

Hey George, Hey John- you are both a$$e$.

Posted by: JR, Boston | July 23, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Write in Ron Paul for President if you really want change. Obama doesn't have courage or experience - only arrogance. I can't stand to think of this neophyte in the White House, learning on the job. Well, he will be able to lie on day one, that's for sure. Supporting the new and improved FISA bill, please. He'll hand off the health care issue to HRC and watch her sink. And I can't bring myself to vote for a Republican, after watching them fall in line as the country fell apart.

Posted by: David | July 23, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

So. John McCain is so opposed to contraception that he voted against requiring insurance plans to cover it like other drugs, and either so indifferent to women's health and rights or just so out of it that he doesn't even remember how he voted. That's the way to show American women you really care.

This is not a trivial issue. There's the basic unfairness of not covering these essential, even life-saving drugs and devices so fundamental to women's health and well-being, and the added insult of denying coverage while men are lavished with cut-rate erections. And there's the craven submission to religious extremists that moves the politics of that denial. It's a pocketbook issue, too: A year's worth of contraception can cost a woman $600. That's a lot of money. Is it too much to expect the next president of the United States to understand that? Now that every politician in America prides himself on knowing the price of a gallon of milk and talks like he's just finished doing the week's shopping for a family of 10?

The story heated up the blogosphere, but a Nexis search at the beginning of this week found only 61 mentions in print and on TV, and most of those were passing references in stories about McCain's bad week (Phil Gramm calling Americans "a nation of whiners" obsessed with a "mental recession" got most of the attention) or focused on the effect that Fiorina's off-message remark will have on her vice presidential chances.

Where is the discussion of the real issue, which is that for more than 20 years John McCain has voted against contraception every time it came up and -- now he tells us! -- doesn't even care or know enough to explain why. Women -- and men -- need to know where he stands on this issue so basic to health and human flourishing if they are going to make informed decisions in the polling booth. But so far the media has refused to present McCain's anti-contraception record as a big, coherent story that tells us a great deal about who he is and what policies he would pursue in the White House.

Maybe the New Yorker could do a cover about it. Then the media might find it interesting enough to discuss.


What Would Jesus Kill?

Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Song bird War Criminal McCorrupt?

Posted by: Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Song bird War Criminal McCorrupt? | July 23, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Why is everyone talking about a victory but no can define what that victory would look like or how we would know when we are victorious?
If the Republicans are for winning, how will they know we've won?

Posted by: U.S. Citizen voter taxpayer | July 23, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

http://mccainsource.com/corruption?id=0014

Why are there so many corporate and foreign government Lobbyists running OldFartMcCorrupt's campaign. This Old Fart is as dirty as they come. Here is a list of some of his Big Oil Lobbyists running his campaign.
Rebecca Anderson (Sunoco),
Wayne Berman (National Finance Co-Chairman, Amerada Hess, Chevron, Texaco, American Petroleum Institute),
Charlie Black (Senior Political Adviser, Occidental Petroleum Corp., Yukos Oil, Chinese National Off-Shore Oil Corp.),
Carlos Bonilla (Economic Adviser, Chesapeake Energy),
Eric Burgeson (Fundraiser, BP), Kerry Cammack (Fundraiser, Exxon Mobil),
Frank Donatelli (McCain Pick as Deputy RNC Chair, Exxon Mobil, Dominion Resources)
Melissa Edwards (Fundraiser, Chesapeake Energy)
John Green (Congressional Liaison, Amerada-Hess, Chevon, Texaco, El Paso Energy, American Petroleum Institute)
Robert Harding (Fundraiser, Chevron, Murphy Oil, Conoco Phillips Petroleum Company)
Richard Hohlt (Fundraiser, Chevron)
James Hyland (Fundraiser, BP, America Independent Fuel Terminal Operators Assoc., Occidental Petroleum Corp., Independent Fuel Terminal Operators Assoc.)
Peter Madigan (Fundraiser, Shell Oil)
Susan Molinari (Chesapeake Energy)
Jack Oliver (Fundraiser, Shell Oil)
Nancy Pfotenhauer (Adviser, Koch Industries)
Steve Phillips(Fundraiser, BP America, Occidental Petroleum)
Elise Pickering (Fundraiser, Koch Industries)
Sloan Rappoport (Fundraiser, Koch Industries)
Matt Salmon (Fundraiser, El Paso Energy)
Randy Scheunemann (Defense Foreign Policy Coordinator, BP Amoco)
Jeffrey Weiss (Fundraiser, Yukos Oil Company)

Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Songbird McBush?

What Would Jesus Kill?

Posted by: Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Songbird McBush? | July 23, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

1. Why would a "war hero" hide his Military Records? What is he hiding? Kerry signed the Form 180 waiver and released all of his records. Old Adulterer Songbird Make it a Hundred Traitor McBush refuses to do so. Why?
2. He received numerous demerits at the US Naval Acadamy and graduated 894 out of 899. His 4 star Admiral father pulled strings to get him in, and helped him become a pilot.
3. He admitted to collaborating with the enemy providing them with military targets and plans.
4. He killed 168 US sailors on the USS Forrestal being a hotdog idiot, and his 4 star Admiral father promptly
transferred him to another ship
5. He admitted to being a War Criminal on 60 Minutes, 1997, CBS News,for bombing innocent women and children
6. Why did the Vietnamese give him the codename Songbird?
7. He made dozens of Anti-American videos for the enemy denouncing America.
8. Why did the Vietnamese erect a bust in his honor?
9. All Republicans in Congress voted to release government records of POW/MIA on Vietnam, only 1 person blocked it, Old McBush. Why did he want those records sealed?
10. Wouldn't the Navy wash his records? His father and grandfather were both 4 star admirals in the Navy.
11. How did he receive medals which required 2 eyewitnesses when there were none?
12. How did he get 28 medals in less than 20 hours of combat? Did his 4 star admiral father help him? Some grunts fighting on the ground for 7000 hours received no medals
13. He told his captors he was the son of a 4 star Admiral who was the head of Pacific Military Operations to receive special preferential treatment and medical care, violating Military Code of Conduct.
14. There is no evidence he was tortured
15. There is no evidence his plane was shotdown. He was an incompetent pilot having crashed 4 other Naval planes previously.
16. He also violated military uniform code of conduct by having numerous sexual relations with subordinates, a crime.

Google these to learn more

McCain Songbird
McCain Adultery
McCain Lobbyists
McCain Charlie Black
McCain USS Forrestal
McCain Rick Davis
McCain Temper
McCain Infidelity
McCain Phil Gramm
McCain Enron Loophole
McCain Arizona Mob
McCain Kosovo Muslims
McCain Fortune
McCain Traitor
McCain Flip Flops
McCain Torturers' Lobby

What Would Jesus Kill?

Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Song bird War Criminal McCorrupt?

Posted by: Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Song bird War Criminal McCorrupt? | July 23, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Moron Cons can vote for whoever they want, we won't judge you. God will! Don't tell us you love Jesus, He and we know you are all religious Frauds. You are enabling Mass Murderers, Serial Killers, Rapists and War Criminals, not us. You are equally guilty in all the Deaths of Americans as are the War Criminals you have placed as your leaders. You are guilty of Mass Murders, you Idiot Serial Killer Rapists. Be proud, you voted yourselves tickets to eternal Hell. Enjoy your stay.
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Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Songbird War Criminal McCorrupt?
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What Would Jesus Kill?
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You Little Jerks!

Posted by: Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Songbird Traitor McBush? | July 23, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Will some tell this idiot to STFU.

Posted by: Scott F. | July 23, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

McCain reminds me of the old Sitcom Mayberry RFD gone bad.

Barney Fife takes over as Sherrif, and the Criminals bait him out to the backest 40, while Robbing, and Invading not only Barney's House, but the Jail too!


Then, Barney starts whining about how they are God's Children, and such...

Someone get McAmnesty OFF the GOP Ticket

NOW! :-(

Posted by: SAINT-The | July 23, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

No Splurge would be needed if the Killers and Rapists did not vote for the Illegal Invasions by the Born Again Faith Based Pro Life Anti-Science Fascist WMD Mass Murderer Serial Killer in Chief War Criminal Terrorist. Instead of removing all the oil from Iraq, the Killer in Chief Terrorist is dumping trillions into Nation Building and Old Fart Adulterer McStupid wants to stay there forever. The Morons that supported the Illegal Invasions are equally guilty of Rape, Murder and War Crimes.

What Would Jesus Kill?

Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Song bird War Criminal McCorrupt?

Posted by: Why would a war hero hide his Military Records, Old Fart Adulterer Song bird War Criminal McCorrupt? | July 22, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse


"Now he wants to reverse the success we have had and set a date for withdrawal,"

False, misleading, erroneous, inaccurate and highly speculative.

Is Obama a traitor Senator McCain ?

Cry baby.

Posted by: Hank whatever | July 22, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

A pretty good argument could be made that there would have been considerable improvement without the surge. Maybe even better if we were in the process of leaving and completely out by now since the 2006 Awakening. We are as much a part of the problem as the solution.
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You might think the Washington Post would report that McCain got the timeline of "The Awakening" ABSOLUTELY WRONG, claiming it "was history". The Awakening came before "the Surge", not as a result, as McCain claims.

But why would the WaPo do that, and get uninvited from the BBQ?

Shame on you. Shame shame shame.

Posted by: Steve Kelso | July 22, 2008 11:14 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

You might think the Washington Post would report that McCain got the timeline of "The Awakening" ABSOLUTELY WRONG, claiming it "was history". The Awakening came before "the Surge", not as a result, as McCain claims.

But why would the WaPo do that, and get uninvited from the BBQ?

Shame on you. Shame shame shame.

Posted by: Steve Kelso | July 22, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

So, Mc Cain has had gaffes related to Somalia, Darfur, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Iraq -- all in the last 2 weeks. And he claims that foreign policy is his expertise. These gaffes used to be funny. Now they are scary. This man, with his wonderful biography (and it is wonderful), no longer has the capacity to make it through the campaign -- let alone a full term in the White House.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

On the subject of the "surge" to the war in Iraq, I am reminded of the perennial student failing one exam after another for most of his college life who similarly touts as a big success his first exam passed with a C-.

It took him four years to earn that C- and a very complacent faculty at a college which couldn't care less how many times a student failed his exams as long as his parents could pay his fees.

And so it is with the surge: A passing grade it certainly deserves; but at what cost after four years of failure! And what does it really mean in terms of the future? Not to talk about the minor detail of the cheating by paying off the same terrorist gangs with whom the government would not negotiate.

This is the surge that McCain desperately seems to want credit for. This will make the foolish war a success? This is what he thinks America must win, finally, after a C- for effort? So that maybe in a hundred years the troops can come home?

Posted by: Verbatim | July 22, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Really, you have over 300 advisors, some of them the most learned on the planet in middle east politics on your staff?
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I wish the media would have had a "Special News Bulletin" for when Obama arrived in Afganistan for the 1st time in his life! I can hear the reporters say "An historic moment for the freshman senator, watch as he places his first step on Afgan Soil!" "One step for Obama, One Giant step for his inexperience!"

Seriously I am planning a 12 Day vacation for myself to visit each country he did. BUT! I will stay in each country for 2 days! Thus I will have more experience than Obama by 200%!

As I watch the news I realize that the American Media has been comprimised...

I NEVER had a Obatomy!

McChange 08' "Because there is No other Solution for America"

Posted by: Not a Pawn to ObamaCon! | July 22, 2008 9:58 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

McSame, winning the war? The same war that employed "robust interrogation" methods like water-boarding and other torture methods? The same war that has killed over 4,000 U.S. service members and has cost the U.S. Treasury over $1 trillion dollars? The same war that was started over non-existent weapons of mass destruction supposedly held by Saddam Hussein? The same war that had the likes of Chalibi singing America's praises as long as the Pentagon sent the $400K every month to his political party in Iraq? The same war that has made America lose its respect and moral authority in the world? Tell me, Senator McSame, what have we won? What prize does America get from the Cracker Jack box? We get nothing compared to what this nation has lost. You have lost your mind in thinking this war is just and right. Put the punch down, McCain!! 'Fess up that we messed up badly on this one!

Posted by: Black and Bitter Like Coffee | July 22, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Mccain made one of his biggest mistakes tonight. He doesn't even seem to understand what the surge was all about. He even had his time line off by a year. There is something wrong with the man, he can't just be this ill prepared.

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I do believe we are witnessing a John McCain implosion this week - and it's only Tuesday.

His comments about 'winning the election and losing the war', bla, bla, bla are entirely unacceptable. He probably would have gone further had he not been on TV.

Is this guy really the GOP candidate, or are the crazies right and they're going to switch candidates at the last minute? The way this is going, I would not be surprised.

Posted by: Susan | July 22, 2008 10:21 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

CBS Deserves Censure
- Do the Audio and transcript Match? (No)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/22/eveningnews/main4283813.shtml

- Is McCain correct about the Sunni Awakening? (No)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/22/eveningnews/main4283813.shtml

This is disgraceful from a news organization.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I do believe we are witnessing a John McCain implosion this week - and it's only Tuesday.

His comments about 'winning the election and losing the war', bla, bla, bla are entirely unacceptable. He probably would have gone further had he not been on TV.

Is this guy really the GOP candidate, or are the crazies right and they're going to switch candidates at the last minute? The way this is going, I would not be surprised.

Posted by: Susan | July 22, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

CDgainesville - A very cogent post.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse


The biggest mistake the U.S. made was actually in the Gulf War... We should have killed Suddam Hussein in the 90s, we would have been heros to the world and our own people.

We did kill Hussein's son in the Gulf War. I wonder if that fact would be considered a motive?

Hmmmm

Posted by: Common Sense | July 22, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I wish the media would have had a "Special News Bulletin" for when Obama arrived in Afganistan for the 1st time in his life! I can hear the reporters say "An historic moment for the freshman senator, watch as he places his first step on Afgan Soil!" "One step for Obama, One Giant step for his inexperience!"

Seriously I am planning a 12 Day vacation for myself to visit each country he did. BUT! I will stay in each country for 2 days! Thus I will have more experience than Obama by 200%!

As I watch the news I realize that the American Media has been comprimised...

I NEVER had a Obatomy!

McChange 08' "Because there is No other Solution for America"

Posted by: Not a Pawn to ObamaCon! | July 22, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Violence has been reduced in Iraq. Hopefully most people can agree to that. The question is why? The surge must get part of the credit. However, it is disingenuous of McCain, or stupidity, to allocate more than a minority of the credit for the improvement to the surge. The Sunnis got tired of al Queda, we hired the Sunnis to be on our side, and we did something to al Sadr to get him to stand down. My guess is that al Sadr got paid off big time but that will not be known prior to November. In any case, what is really needed to achieve a stable democratic government in Iraq (the most recent definition of our reason for being there) is for some sort of political reconciliation. While I don't oppose buying off the Iraqi politicians, that is probably not a good long term solution unless we are willing to continue the payments into the forseeable future. So, lets give the Iraqis back thier country and try to help them put the pieces we blew up back together. Lets admit we screwed up and accept responsibility for fixing what we can. Most likely getting the Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds to work together is beyond the capability of a McCain who sees the world through a military lens.

Posted by: CDgainesville | July 22, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

The tribal groups in Iraq are the tribal groups in Iraq so their civil war doesn't have anything to do with the U.S. We could have helped but to take the problem on entirely was a mistake. The bigger problem was Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afganistan and Pakistan. If the threat of Al Qaeda taking over Iraq is real than why haven't we concentrated on eliminating the threats? If we had concentrated on Al Qaeda it wouldn't be in Iraq. Mccain said Iraq would be a safe haven for Al Qaeda if we didn't invade Iraq. Unfortuantely, Al Qaeda still exist.

Posted by: Daniel | July 22, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Sunni and Shia are tribal groups in Iraq and who's to say that staying in Iraq for 16 months or 16 years will eliminate fights between the 2 tribal groups. If we leave Iraq anything can happen regardless how long we stay. Obama is right because if we concentrated on Al Qaeda and had direct talks with Iran we wouldn't have to worry about an interference from bordering countries in Iraq. The violence is down and the Iraqi government what ever they choose to do with it is there problem. We have proof that 4,000 + troops died for their war, A trillion dollars was spent, and our economy and Afganistan had been ignored. I think it would be irresponsible for the next president to continue to ignore the stain on our economy and other terrroist threats while continuing to stay in Iraq.

Posted by: Jack. | July 22, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Surge!

Withdrawl!

Surge!

Withdrawl!

Surge-SURGE!

Slowly Withdraw!

Surge-Withdraw-Surge!-Withdraw-Surge!

Yep, we are being Screwed! ;~)

mittromney.com & alankeyes.com

There is a better Choice available!

Posted by: RAT-The | July 22, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

The biggest myth of this campaign is that Obama has gotten better press than McCain. in fact, McCain has always been given special treatment by the press based on 8 years ago when he was the "straight-talking maverick." This year, he has zero maverick ideas, and his stright talk has been one flip flop after another, name calling and gaffes.

Example, he keeps saying we can't pull out our troops until we "win" in Iraq, but he is incapable of giving a coherent definition of a "win," yet the press fails to pursue this.

Posted by: dcwsano | July 22, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

The British fought the French for hundreds of years, ditto the Germans.

The divide in Ireland is healing.

Many ethnic groups coexist in India.

To maintain that the Shia and Sunni can't "evolve" and get along is racist claptrap.

Posted by: Chuckamok | July 22, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

While the press followed Obama looking for the gaffe that would end his presidential campaign, Mccain has made his second gaffe on a CBS interview today. Does Mccain really want the media to give him as much coverage as Obama? The press covering Obama more than Mccain is definately a gift to Mccain because Mccain gets to makes as many gaffes and mistakes as possible without being scrutinized. Mccain should get the media coverage he and his campaign is whinning about so he can be held responsible for the many and too oftern mistakes.

Posted by: Craig | July 22, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

How long have Sunni and Sh'ia been at each other's throat? now does any reasonable person believe if we leave in 2010 or 2110 they wont go back to it? They were fighting before oil, Sadaam and al Quieda and they will be fighting after Bush, Obama/ McCain and your grand kids... now you need to make up your minds if staying any longer is really going to help, or are all we are doing is delaying the inevitable at the cost of U.S. sons and daughters, billions of dollars and governmental focus on the needs of the nation. Your decision... do what you think is best.

Posted by: ro | July 22, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain is despicable -- accusing Sen. Obama of sedition while distorting his own "straight talking consistency" on the Iraq war. Check out this video to (try) to follow his "evolving" positions on the war --

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/22/jedreports-latest-mccains_n_114380.html

Posted by: straight talk my a** | July 22, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

McCain is really senile. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the U.S. to win.

Why is he always talking about winning "the war"?

There is nothing to win, and everything to lose, i.e. lives and $$$.

His bush B.S. is getting really old.

And as far as time-lines and time-tables go -- the Iraqis and the entire world will know in advance when we are leaving Iraq.

It's not like they won't be able to see us leaving.

This guy needs to start taking more of his alzheimer meds, and get back on the bus to his retirement community.

Posted by: frank | July 22, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN DOES NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
HE THINKS THEY'RE ALL A BUNCH OF PUKES!

HERE IS THE PROOF FOR ALL TO SEE,
ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE MILITARY:

'...not that many really, truly know just how horrific his[McCain's] voting record is when it comes to the troops. And it is pretty consistent - whether it is for armor and equipment, for veteran's health care, for adequate troop rest or anything that actually, you know, supports our troops.

...this can be tied into the "Double Talk Express". But here is a very quick statement - John McCain skipped close to a dozen votes on Iraq, and on at least another 10 occasions, he voted against arming and equipping the troops, providing adequate rest for the troops between deployments and for health care or other benefits for veterans.

In mid 2007, Senator Reid noted that McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq. However, here is a summary of a dozen votes (two that he missed and ten that he voted against) with respect to Iraq, funding for veterans or for troops, including equipment and armor. I have also included other snippets related to the time period when the vote occurred.

September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that "things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq.

July 2007: McCain voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq. At the time, an ABC poll found that 63% thought the invasion was not worth it, and a CBS News poll found that 72% of respondents wanted troops out within 2 years.

March 2007: McCain was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all combat troops within one year. Around this time, an NBC News poll found that 55% of respondents indicated that the US goal of achieving victory in Iraq is not possible. This number has not moved significantly since then.

February 2007: For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn't even bother to show up and vote against a resolution condemning it. However, at the time a CNN poll found that only 16% of respondents wanted to send more troops to Iraq (that number has since declined to around 10%), while 60% said that some or all should be withdrawn. This number has since gone up to around 70%.

June 2006: McCain voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so.

May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.

March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.

March 2004: McCain once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans' needs.

October 2003: McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.

April 2003: McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.

August 2001: McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000. To his credit, he also voted against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he now supports making permanent, despite the dire financial condition this country is in, and despite the fact that he indicated in 2001 that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

So there it is. John McCain is yet another republican former military veteran who likes to talk a big game when it comes to having the support of the military. Yet, time and time again, he has gone out of his way to vote against the needs of those who are serving in our military. If he can't even see his way to actually doing what the troops want, or what the veterans need, and he doesn't have the support of veterans, then how can he be a credible commander in chief?

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

Hooray for Veterans For Common Sense,
With Bush/cheney/McSame they will dispense!

Posted by: Kevin Schmidt | July 22, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Thousands dead, we should never have been there.

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Surge. Winning. Obama. Wrong. Surge. Surge. Winning. War. Obama. Surge.


Wow.

Posted by: Susan | July 22, 2008 8:50 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

He is not even John Mccain anymore, that man is gone. He i now just a demented lost soul. Lets jus hope when this election is over we never again have to listen to this poor excuse for a human being.

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Sad that McCain has sunk to such tactics. Instead of pandering to the crowds, he's releasing ads that simply show the desperation. (The worst is the one on gas prices. What a poor attempt to paint his rival as the person responsible for the gas prices.) I expect more from Mr. McCain. I've lost respect for him as a result.

Posted by: 173rd | July 22, 2008 8:36 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Surge. Winning. Obama. Wrong. Surge. Surge. Winning. War. Obama. Surge.


Wow.

Posted by: Susan | July 22, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Sad that McCain has sunk to such tactics. Instead of pandering to the crowds, he's releasing ads that simply show the desperation. (The worst is the one on gas prices. What a poor attempt to paint his rival as the person responsible for the gas prices.) I expect more from Mr. McCain. I've lost respect for him as a result.

Posted by: 173rd | July 22, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"The stability of Iraq is not the U.S. problem, we have done all we could and now its time for the Iraqi government to stand on its own unless we want to babysit them spending 10 million a month for 100 years."

A timetable for withdrawal was considered a bolster for the terrorists when they seemed to be winning.

Now that Maliki's government is gaining steam, and the terrorists are pushed out of one area after another, a timetable COULD work in OUR (the U.S.'s)favor.

The Iraqis must then get the lead out. Nothing concentrates the mind like a deadline.

Posted by: Chuckamok | July 22, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

When is McCain going to define "victory"? If the definition applies to Iraq, would McCain invade other countries to ensure the same "victory"?

Posted by: Barbara Campbell | July 22, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Lou Dobbs' parroting the McCain propaganda: CNN has become the new FOX "news". Go to CNN's website and you have to really search to find mention of Obama's news conference in Jordan today.

I do wish some of CNN's more reputable commentators would jump ship.

Posted by: bam | July 22, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Mccain said today we have won the war in Iraq and will leave and never have to go back. Do any of the people around him even listen what this insane guy says? Do they even care? Does he even have an advisor? Should he let Bush know the war is over and we can come home now? I guess we can get Mccain "Mission Accomplished Tee shirts" This Mother F. is as crazy as Bush. I don't even know what to say.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

No, the republicans do. In a perverse way it supports their agenda. I hate to be a predictor but as the election approaches, we will have terror alerts, phony intercepted messages as they pretend they are saving us from their imagined terrorists threats. Mccain though by November may be even more demented then he already appears and it will all be moot anyway. No one in their right mind will vote for him..


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We've got four-plus months till the election.

Which way will Iraq be heading by then? The terrorists seem to be a spent force. As Maliki's government slowly gains momentum (the Sunnis recently returned) the Iraqi populace can either choose to go that way or ally themselves with the ever-desperate nihilists who bomb wedding parties and markets.

I'm betting they go with Maliki and further "out" the remaining terrorists among them.

So in four-plus months, things will be better still.

I can't suppose the Dems WISH for escalated violence, to further their political agenda.

Posted by: Chuckamok | July 22, 2008 7:44 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

There was no pretense tonight that the Lou Dobbs show was "News, Debate and Opinion." No, it was a blatant campaign present for John McCain wrapped up in a negative attack on Barack Obama.
Lou laughed and sneered his way through the show, which was prominently labeled with the graphic "Obama's Flawed Strategy," declaring that Obama had declared he would not consider and would overrule the recommendations of military leaders on the ground. In fact, I watched his news conference and interviews and that's a lie.
Lou then went on to effusively praise John McCain's support of the surge, and asked viewers why Obama supports a "surge" of troops in Afghanistan when he doesn't in Iraq. He also aired a McCain attack ad that blames Obama for high gas prices. No Obama ad was aired to balance that.
In his unrestrained zeal to shill for McCain, Lou forgot to mention several rather important points:
1. Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki supports Obama's position on withdrawing troops and has said the Americans need to start the process of leaving. It's HIS country, not McCain's!
2. The Sunni Awakening, a huge reason for the reduction in Iraq violence, is funded by U.S. taxpayers. We are paying $300 a month to each insurgent so they don't kill us! Let me say that again: We are paying people not to kill us!
2. Obama opposed attacking Iraq to begin with. There would have been no need for a "surge."
3. Obama has consistently said we should have finished the job in Afghanistan and we have underfunded and undermanned that theater of the war on terror, so Lou's attack on him for wanting to "surge" there is just stupid.
4. Lou spent a lot of time sneering at Obama's campaign plane. I don't recall him saying anything when McCain unveiled his brand new jet with the huge name MCCAIN on the side and his star/medal logo. Guess it wasn't as funny then.
Really CNN, does anyone watch Lou Dobbs Tonight? It has become an embarrassment to anyone who cares about good journalism.
Lou is so "in the tank" for John McCain it's obnoxious.
Really, the only thing missing was: "I'm John McCain, and I approved this broadcast."

Posted by: Islandgirl45 | July 22, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I know enough about syntax to know these are your words and not some copy and paste from somewhere. All we can do is hope there are enough people who can think for themselves like you to get this country turned around.


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I think Obama is right. What are we looking to achieve in Iraq? Are we looking to make the Iraq government stable or perfect? Or how do we weigh failure? If we leave Iraq now or 20 years from now once we leave anything can happen. Should the U.S. be responsible for what happens in Iraq after we leave regardless when? We could leave now and the country can go into caos but who's to say if we left in 10 years it wouldn't go into caos. The stability of Iraq is not the U.S. problem, we have done all we could and now its time for the Iraqi government to stand on its own unless we want to babysit them spending 10 million a month for 100 years. Thats the choice in this election but think how a longer time in Iraq will affect our way of life and economy. How much are you willing to sacrifice for a stability in that isn't gauranteed no matter how long we stay?

Posted by: Brenda | July 22, 2008 7:26 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

We've got four-plus months till the election.

Which way will Iraq be heading by then? The terrorists seem to be a spent force. As Maliki's government slowly gains momentum (the Sunnis recently returned) the Iraqi populace can either choose to go that way or ally themselves with the ever-desperate nihilists who bomb wedding parties and markets.

I'm betting they go with Maliki and further "out" the remaining terrorists among them.

So in four-plus months, things will be better still.

I can't suppose the Dems WISH for escalated violence, to further their political agenda.

Posted by: Chuckamok | July 22, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

We've got four-plus months till the election.

Which way will Iraq be heading by then? The terrorists seem to be a spent force. As Maliki's government slowly gains momentum (the Sunnis recently returned) the Iraqi populace can either choose to go that way or ally themselves with the ever-desperate nihilists who bomb wedding parties and markets.

I'm betting they go with Maliki and further "out" the remaining terrorists among them.

So in four-plus months, things will be better still.

I can't suppose the Dems WISH for escalated violence, to further their political agenda.

Posted by: Chuckamok | July 22, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama is right. What are we looking to achieve in Iraq? Are we looking to make the Iraq government stable or perfect? Or how do we weigh failure? If we leave Iraq now or 20 years from now once we leave anything can happen. Should the U.S. be responsible for what happens in Iraq after we leave regardless when? We could leave now and the country can go into caos but who's to say if we left in 10 years it wouldn't go into caos. The stability of Iraq is not the U.S. problem, we have done all we could and now its time for the Iraqi government to stand on its own unless we want to babysit them spending 10 million a month for 100 years. Thats the choice in this election but think how a longer time in Iraq will affect our way of life and economy. How much are you willing to sacrifice for a stability in that isn't gauranteed no matter how long we stay?

Posted by: Brenda | July 22, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I think Mccain is calling the surge victory prematurely. If the surge is a success than Mccain needs to explain why the troops must remain indefinately. Mccain can't tout victory of the surge because victory should mean our troops are leaving Iraq.

Posted by: David | July 22, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Mission Accomplished, eh Senator? Obama had it right in his Jordan news conference: the President is Commander in Chief -- he directs the military not the other way around. Thank God we have a man who is a true leader, not a wannabe like John McCain.

Posted by: straight talk my a** | July 22, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Mccain like George Bush thinks we are a military government. We are not Cuba, or 1940's Germany. We are a civilian democratic government. As much as Mccain may like to have military in our streets telling people what to do, it doesn't work that. Our people want out of Iraq and that is that.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

By all observations he has signs of early Alzheimer''s. I am not sure it is even a close call anymore.
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Excellent post by anonymous at 6:16 PM.

Republicans invariably accuse of the opponent of any defect their candidate possesses.

Looks like McCain is a zombie under the control of the Vietnamese -- the real Manchurian candidate.

If the Republicans cared at all about national security (which they don't), they would be requiring brain scans of McCain before giving him their nomination.

Posted by: mnjamx | July 22, 2008 6:46 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Excellent post by anonymous at 6:16 PM.

Republicans invariably accuse of the opponent of any defect their candidate possesses.

Looks like McCain is a zombie under the control of the Vietnamese -- the real Manchurian candidate.

If the Republicans cared at all about national security (which they don't), they would be requiring brain scans of McCain before giving him their nomination.

Posted by: mnjamx | July 22, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

You of all people should know a phony when you see one. Mccain could care less about you. I have met the guy, he was introduced to a group of us earlier this year. When he left we all had the same comments, "This man must never be allowed to become president". All you have to do is look in his eyes and you know he is demented. No matter what the subject it kept coming back to war. And I am talking about delusional images of the past. I am just guessing but I am sure you just like me know some of these kinds of guys from the VFW hall. They are nuts. How he has been allowed to remain a US senator is beyond me. He is not fit for any elective office.
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A gracious thank you to the posters on this board for reminding me to make a contribution this afternoon to the campaign of Senator John Sydney McCain lll-
retired United States Navy and American.

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Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

WcCain says the same counter-insurgency strategy will work in Afghanistan as well?

With what....a million soldiers?

Does he realize that the city of Baghdad and the country of Afghanistan are a wee bit different in size and structure?

I'd love some details on how exactly that's gonna work....

Posted by: dan | July 22, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

A gracious thank you to the posters on this board for reminding me to make a contribution this afternoon to the campaign of Senator John Sydney McCain lll-
retired United States Navy and American.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

For years, the mainstream news media has refused to stop idolizing the so-called straight talking maverick John McCain long enough to question the mental health consequences of the years he spent as a "special" prisoner of the communists in North Vietnam.

McCain, the presumptive Republican candidate for President, who could one day have his finger on the "red button," claims the communists subjected him to 5 ½ years of nonstop indoctrination sessions so intense that he attempted suicide.

Unfortunately for McCain, after his bomber was hit by anti-aircraft fire near Hanoi on October 26, 1967, he parachuted into the hands of an evil communist enemy who 7 years earlier had adopted Soviet methods of prisoner interrogation.

At that time, the Soviets were perfecting techniques designed "to put a man's mind into a fog so that he will mistake what is true for what is untrue, what is right for what is wrong, and come to believe what did not happen actually had happened."

Psychiatric Journals are flush with reports concluding that former POWs may remain entangled in "harsh psychological battles" with themselves for decades after returning home including difficulty in controlling intense emotions such as anger and stress.

In political circles, McCain, sometimes referred to as "insane McCain," is well known for having a "volcanic" temper which his colleagues say often erupts into vulgar language and personal insults.

Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, experienced McCain's in your face temperament up close. "His volatility borders in the area of being unstable," Johnson said. "Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause."

The Journal of America Medicine reported in an 1996 article that being a former POW is associated with "increased cumulative incidence rates of chronic disorders of the peripheral nervous system, joints, and back and an increased hazard rate of peptic ulcer."

The 71 year-old McCain most certainly suffers pain and the weakening effects of chronic arthritis. He broke both arms when he was forced to eject after his bomber was hit. He says the Vietnamese periodically re-fractured his bones during years of interrogation and torture which rendered him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.

McCain has never been publicly vetted about what and how much medications he is taking. Aside from his anger and arthritic pain issues, McCain has had reoccurring bouts of malignant melanoma, a deadly form of cancer that can spread quickly throughout the body.

These facts alone beg the question on how a President McCain, in the absence of his campaign staff handlers, would deal with a snap decision that had to be made "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

McCain's POW experience is unique. His communist captors considered him the "crown prince" of U.S. POWs because his father, Adm. John McCain, was commander of all U.S. forces fighting in Vietnam. Because the communists believed he was from a "royal family" and would when finally released return to the United States to an important military or government job, they held him for two years in "solitary confinement."

In February, Reuters news reported that McCain's former captors are expressing delight in the news of his nomination as Republican party Presidential candidate. "In the past Senator McCain has conducted activities that had a positive impact in bringing the two nations [Vietnam/United States] closer. That is a point that Vietnamese people who follow the current affairs do recognize," said retired North Vietnamese Colonel Nguyen Van Phuong, representing retired and present members of the Vietnamese communist military.

Since McCain was first elected to Congress 1982 (and later to the Senate), he and his staff have expended tens of thousands of hours pushing U.S. legislation favoring communist Vietnam. In 1995, McCain stood with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. to give President Bill Clinton valuable political cover he needed to disregard the issue of missing U.S. POWs in Vietnam and remove the U.S. trade embargo against Vietnam.

No U.S. POW had any communication with McCain or knew where he was being held during at least 8 to 12 months of McCain's first two years of captivity. He has either been unable or unwilling to account for the months he was missing from the POW system.

Within days of McCain's shoot down and after being told the identity of his famous father, the Vietnamese rushed him to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable to treat U.S. POWs. McCain was kept at Gai Lam for six weeks under the control of Soviet medical specialist anxious to test the use of their "mind and behavior modification" drugs on such an important prisoner.

McCain said the communists were so effective with their interrogation techniques that he broke on the fourth day after being captured and began cooperating. "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Pages 193-194, Faith of My Fathers, by John McCain.

U.S. intelligence agents concluded in the early 1950s that Soviet intelligence (KGB) agents were experimenting on their prisoners with "mind control" techniques and behavior modification drugs

Allen W. Dulles, the newly confirmed CIA director acknowledged the dilemma in April 1953, when he told a gathering of Princeton alumni that "a sinister battle for men's minds" was underway. The Soviets, Dulles explained "have developed brain perversion techniques, some of which are so subtle and so abhorrent to our way of life that we have recoiled from facing up to them."

During the Cold War, the Soviets and the CIA began competing with secret experiments on prisoners aimed at honing the use of "chemical and biological materials capable of producing human behavioral and physiological changes." The experiments included isolation, sleep deprivation, humiliation, alternating with long hours of interrogation.

Since the Russians and Chinese (and our own CIA) have proven they can in a relative short time alter the basic emotional and behavior patterns of captives, it is fair to assume that McCain's unpredictable and often volatile temperament is directly related to his treatment as a 5 ½ prisoner of the communists.

The American public was first exposed to Soviet "brain perversion techniques" during Korean War when the communists launched a propaganda offensive featuring filmed and recorded testimony of captured U.S. servicemen confessing to war crimes including the use of germ warfare.

By the end of the Korean War, "70 percent of the 7,190 U.S. prisoners held in China had either made confessions or signed petitions calling for an end to the American war effort in Asia. Fifteen percent collaborated fully with the Chinese, and only 5 percent steadfastly resisted."

Military officials were especially alarmed when a significant number of the U.S. prisoners refused to recant their confessions as soon as they returned to the United States.

Beginning in 1960, KGB and Chinese agents directed the Vietnamese in establishing Vietnam's original interrogation guidelines for U.S. prisoners. They suggested interrogation techniques and issued specific intelligence requirements to be extracted during prisoner interrogations.

Official American position on POW confessions was that they were false and forced while privately expressing grave concern that the collaborations proved the communists had developed techniques that could "put a man's mind into a fog."

Psychologist have identified behavior in which a former prisoner emotionally bonds with an abuser as the Stockholm Syndrome. McCain was a strong advocate for prosecuting Bosnian, Yugoslavian and Iraqi war criminals and is adamantly opposed to any form of normalized relation with Cuba until it allows "free elections, human right organizations and a free and independent media."

Yet, McCain has resisted any kind of war crimes investigation of his former Vietnamese torturers. Prosecution and subsequent trials could bring to justice the Vietnamese torturers known by the American POWs as the Bug, Slopehead, the Prick, the Soft Soap Fairy, Rabbit, the Cat, Zorba and many others who were responsible for the murder in North Vietnam of at least 55 U.S. POWs and the brutal torture of hundreds of others.

In November 1991, Tracy Usry, chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam. McCain became outraged, interrupting Usry several times, arguing that "none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets."

Former KGB Maj. Gen. Oleg Kalugin testified during the hearings that the KGB did interrogate U.S. POWs in Vietnam. Kalugin stated that one of the POWs worked on by the KGB was a "high-ranking naval officer," who, according to Kalugin, agreed to work with the Soviets upon his repatriation to the United States and has frequently appeared on U.S. television.

Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war he had the authority to "read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo" pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly.

McCain stunned onlookers at the hearing when he moved to the witness table and physically embraced Col. Tin as if he was a long, lost brother.

In 1949 Dr. Andrew Salter authored Conditioned Reflex Therapy, a pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis. Ten years later, as Richard Condon was writing The Manchurian Candidate, he asked Dr. Salter to help "design" the brainwashed character for the book and subsequent movie.

More than 40 years later, in 1992, during the C-SPAN broadcasts of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Dr. Salter watched the hearings from his New York City apartment. Salter became fascinated with McCain's overly aggressive and angry behavior toward witnesses, especially family members of men still missing in action. After a few hours he called a friend telling her, "the signs are all there, I'm afraid Senator John McCain has been brainwashed."

During the Senate Select hearings, McCain opposed all efforts by the POW/MIA families and activists to have the Select Committee expand its investigation to study how successful the Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban interrogation apparatuses were at exploiting American prisoners of war.

News pundants have elevated McCain to "the most popular national political figure in the country" by repeatedly describing him as a "war hero" based on his refusal accept a communist offer of "early release" from captivity.

What the media has carelessly refused to acknowledge is that the camp's senior ranking U.S. POW (SRO) had issued unquestionable orders that if a POW was to be released, "it would be the longest held prisoner" Because McCain was not the longest held POW, he would have faced a military court-marshal if he had accepted the offer.

It is incumbent upon McCain to prove to the American people that the 5 1/2 years he spent at the mercy of communist interrogators did not leave him with mental health issues that could hinder him in making snap decisions "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

Is McCain taking any kind of pain or "nerve" medicines? If so, do the medicines cause emotional and physical reactions?

McCain was once treated for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) which is said to get worse over time for former POWs, what is the status of his treatment?

Does McCain still harbor stress triggered suicidal tendencies?

Where was McCain and what was happening to him during the months he was missing from the POW camp?

McCain implies that he made only one propaganda broadcast for the communists, but Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers say he made over 30. How many did he make and what did he get in return?

Why does McCain still deny that the Soviets were involved in the interrogation of U.S. POWs in Vietnam?

Does McCain's former interrogators, the communist Vietnamese, Russians, Chinese and Cubans have anything in their secret intelligence files about his behavior as a prisoner with which they could blackmail a President John McCain?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

It's about judgment, my friends....

"And I believe that the success will be fairly easy" and "There's no doubt in my mind that... we will be welcomed as liberators." [John McCain 3/24/03]

"There's not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shias. So I think they can probably get along." [John McCain 4/23/03]

"Look, we're going to send young men and women in harm's way and that's always a great danger, but I cannot believe that there is an Iraqi soldier who is going to be willing to die for Saddam Hussein, particularly since he will know that our objective is to remove Saddam Hussein from power."
[John McCain 9/15/02]

"But the fact is, I think we could go in with much smaller numbers than we had to do in the past. But any military man worth his salt is going to have to prepare for any contingency, but I don't believe it's going to be nearly the size and scope that it was in 1991." [John McCain 09/15/02]

"He's a patriot who has the best interests of his country at heart." ]John McCain on Ahmed Chalabi, 2002]

"Absolutely. Absolutely." [John McCain, asked by Chris Matthews, "you believe that the people of Iraq or at least a large number of them will treat us as liberators?" 03/12/03]

I think the victory will be rapid, within about three weeks. [John McCain, MSNBC, 1/28/03]
It's clear that the end is very much in sight. ... It won't be long. It, it'll be a fairly short period of time. [John McCain, ABC, 4/9/03]

We're either going to lose this thing or win this thing within the next several months. [Meet The Press, 11/12/06]

"Well, then why was there a banner that said mission accomplished on the aircraft carrier?" [John McCain, responding to assertion by Fox News' Neil Cavuto that "many argue the conflict isn't over," [John McCain, 06/11/03]

"My friends, the war will be over soon, the war for all intents and purposes although the insurgency will go on for years and years and years." [John McCain, 02/25/08]

Posted by: MsSwin | July 22, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Don't answer, she is trailer trash who copies and pastes all over the net. She hasn't had an original thought her life.

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Michelle Obama is not ghetto. You failed to give examples of what makes M. Obama ghetto. Michelle Obama is an educated woman who graduated from Princeton and Harvard. She is an attorney and a business woman. There is nothing ghetto about that. Michelle Obama proberly accomplished more than you and your whole family and until this day the Whitey commit is just a myth. Dianne, I don't know if your ghetto or not but your sure ignorant. Lets not belittle ourselves with untrue personal attacks because your losing the argument in this election.

Posted by: Sherry | July 22, 2008 5:47 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

John McCain and his "surge" did not turn off the violence in Iraq. The religious leaders will to talk with the Iraqi president is what stopped the violence. John McCain keeps talking about winning a war that should have never taken place. Listen to what the Vets are saying on You Tube. Thousands of innocent men women and children were killed because of Bush lies. Does McCain really know what he's taking credit for. I hope Bush and his friends get locked out of every oil contract that comes out of Iraq.

Posted by: HemiHead | July 22, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

What success would that be? The surge was mildly successful, but only because the US bought off the warlords and the fawning media only go where they are told, or are safe. As long as there are large concentrations of American soldiers, things are pretty calm. Take away the Americans; the peace tends to leave soon after. As for the rest of the Iraq War, it's been failure after failure, mostly from the top down.

Posted by: Electric Bill | July 22, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama is not ghetto. You failed to give examples of what makes M. Obama ghetto. Michelle Obama is an educated woman who graduated from Princeton and Harvard. She is an attorney and a business woman. There is nothing ghetto about that. Michelle Obama proberly accomplished more than you and your whole family and until this day the Whitey commit is just a myth. Dianne, I don't know if your ghetto or not but your sure ignorant. Lets not belittle ourselves with untrue personal attacks because your losing the argument in this election.

Posted by: Sherry | July 22, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain enjoyed some very strong polling today as he is leading in Florida and Ohio and has pulled closer in New Hampshire. Full roundup: http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/07/22/tuesday-polls-2/

Posted by: Dan | July 22, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to whoever it was who just published that list of McCain flip-flops. It's worth printing and saving for future reference. And I'm sure that there'll be more to add to the list in the coming months.

Posted by: Andy | July 22, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain should stop trying to tout his agenda and think about what the people want. we are frustrated with the never-ending, goal-unachieving war in Iraq. Barack is the man with the plan. No wonder McCain doesn't understand why people are fascinated with Obama. McCain never understands. Vote for Obama! Please visit WHYOBAMA08.org!!!

Posted by: Aiken Blue | July 22, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I've just been reading the comments, and this one's worth posting again:

"Is there one member of the press who has the courage to ask John this one, vital question: "Supposing that the surge really is working, where do you propose to find the troops the Army needs to replace the troops presently scheduled to rotate out of Iraq at the end of their present tours?"

"Come on people, you are gicving him a free pass to blast Obama for proposing bringing the troops home, when he knows, and we know, that we haven't any replacement troops to relieve those on the firing lines. John's biggest lie is that the surge CAN be continued. John wants us to believe that he is such an expert in military affairs, let him demonstrate his expertise by describing just how we are to make a half million man Army fight a two million man war.

"Make John demonstrate just how little he really knows about defense issues.

"Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | July 22, 2008 3:26 PM"

Posted by: Andy | July 22, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain's growing list of Flip Flops:

National Security Policy

1. McCain thought Bush's warrantless wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

2. McCain insisted that everyone, even "terrible killers," "the worst kind of scum of humanity," and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, "deserve to have some adjudication of their cases," even if that means "releasing some of them." McCain now believes the opposite.

3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

4. In February, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

5. McCain favored closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.

6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with Predators, McCain criticized him for it. He's since come to the opposite conclusion.

Foreign Policy

7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it.

8. McCain supported moving "toward normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

9. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

10. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

11. McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.

Military Policy

14. McCain recently claimed that he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."

15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good idea and a bad idea.

16. McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."

17. McCain has repeatedly said it's a dangerous mistake to tell the "enemy" when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.

18. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.

Domestic Policy

19. McCain defended "privatizing" Social Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

20. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn't.

21. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

22. He argued that the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

23. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

24. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

25. McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting "irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

26. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

27. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. before he supported it.

28. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.

29. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

30. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.

Economic Policy

31. McCain was against Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.

32. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated," and "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a "very strong" understanding of economics.

33. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.

34. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were "too tilted to the wealthy." By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

35. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

36. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a "'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes."

37. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.

38. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.

Energy Policy

39. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling; now he's against it.

40. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

41. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to be voluntary.

42. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.

43. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn't.

Immigration Policy

44. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. Now he's against it.

45. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.

46. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders "before proceeding to other reform measures." Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he'd never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his "top priority."

Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law

47. McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite.

48. McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

49. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform

50. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn't.


51. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

52. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

Politics and Associations

53. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn't.

54. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn't.

55. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004.

56. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

57. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks.

58. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

59. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

60. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn't want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he "would taint the image of the 'Straight Talk Express.'" Kissinger is now the honorary co-chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

61. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was "corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff's gay lover." McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama is presidental material, while mccain is a whiner, an embarassment to politics. I realize a lot of you are racists and will never be able to vote for obama. Just tell the truth...that your a racist and that is why you cannot vote for obama. We'll understand. please stop denigrating Obama and his wife, because even you know that it makes no sense.

Posted by: Playa | July 22, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

DURING A TOWN HALL MEETING, MCCAIN SPECIFICALLY SAID THE SURGE HAS SUCCEEDED AND NOT SUCCEEDING. IF THE SURGE SUCCEEDED THEN WHY ARE THE TROOPS STILL IN IRAQ? YOU CAN'T SAY THE SURGE IS A SUCCESS IF WE STILL HAVE TO OCCUPY THE REGION. IF WE STILL HAVE TO OCCUPY THE REGION AFTER THE SUCCESS OF THE SURGE THAN MCCAIN NEEDS TO EXPLAIN WHY OTHER THAN CALLING VICTORY PREMATURELY. I THINK THE NEW YORK TIMES WERE EXACTLY RIGHT. WHATS WRONG WITH MCCAIN DEFINING WHAT SUCCESS IN IRAQ MEANS TO HIM? WE ALL KNOW THAT SOMEDAY WHETHER IF MCCAIN BELIEVES IT WILL BE A 100 YEARS LATER OR NOT WE WILL WITHDRAWL, WHY CAN'T MCCAIN GIVE US AN APPOXIMATE TIME THE TROOPS WILL LEAVE IRAQ? THE PROBLEM FOR MCCAIN IS OUR DEFICIT IS 9 TRILLION AND AS MUCH AS HE LIKES TO LISTEN TO THE COMMANDERS ON THE GROUND WHY CAN'T HE LISTEN TO THE ECONOMY OR DOES HE EQUATE THE EXPENSE OF THE WAR WITH THE STRAINS ON OUR ECONOMY.

Posted by: Janice | July 22, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN IS THE BETTER CANDIDATE.
THAT SAYS LITTLE FOR EGOIST OBAMA.

Posted by: DEM NOW IND | July 22, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I can certainly see Michelle Obama sitting down for tea with Elizabeth II. I can also see Dianne72 in the kitchen scrubbing the tea kettles for less than minimum wage.

Posted by: Get Used to It | July 22, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Does old man McCain want some cheese with that 'whine'?

Posted by: Playa | July 22, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

What is Diaperboy up to this day ? Can he remember what he is doing ? I am sure he is not estranged from his own mind.

Posted by: Hank whatever | July 22, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

When I read old man McCain's comments about the war in Iraq, I am reminded with great saddness of the death today of the actress Estelle Getty. Her death came after years of suffering from advanced dementia.

Posted by: No to Old Man McCain | July 22, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Someone should remind Dianne72 that it is considered impolite to engage in public coprophilia.

(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coprophilia)

In my view this woman lacks the poise, grace, and good breeding to be anywhere in polite society. I saw this image of her "eating" in Playboy yesterday and I was aghast at the prospect of her continuing to serve as a cultural influence on readers of this board. Can you imgaine her sitting down to tea with Queen Elizabeth II? What would they eat?!?!?!?!??!?

Posted by: 27Ennaid | July 22, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

take your "perfect" wife and head back to Arizona. You wanted him to go to Iraq....he went and you're still complaining....get over yourself.

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Posted by: Dosdfidfg | July 22, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse


He opposed a lost cause and putting even more soldiers in harms way for nothing. We will leave there at some point in the near future and every single soldier who died there will have died for nothing. I an young enough that I will probably out live Bush. I fully plan on making a pilgrimage to his grave so I can piss on it. As I am arrested it will be one of my proudest moments. In fact maybe I can enlist a few hundred more or even a thousand for one big piss on Bush's grave.

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"You Obamabots cannot tell a horse from a cow. Barry Hussein opposed the surge in Iraq from the beginning, and has opposed it ever since."

Do you really think that this tactic which has achieved a "temporary and fragile and easily reversible peace" has solved the centuries old conflict between Sunni and Shia?, Iraq needs political reconciliation to give all people in Iraq a stake in their future, then we've still got the Sunni/Shia problem.

How long do you want to pay Sunni's to not shoot at us?

Posted by: JR | July 22, 2008 4:08 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

am totally dismayed at this caricature of a presidential candidate named John McCain.

Someone please take the microphone away from this doddering, angry, and ignorant senior citizen. He is becoming very frightening for me and my family by his rants about " I know how to win wars." I am beginning to believe that war is all that he has to offer our country. By the way, which war has McCain "won?" He reminds me of a modern day Don Quixote tilting at phantom windmills.

His beloved "Surge" was not successful. Its purpose was to give the Iraqi government the stability it needed to make needed reforms and bring all parties together. American taxpayers paid billions to faction leaders to leave our troops alone. We placed thousands of concrete barriers in Baghdad to keep the Shia from slaughtering the Sunni and vice versa. We enacted curfews to keep people off the streets. Still according to Iraqbodycount.com, the city is the most dangerous place in the world. Maybe McCain will host a barbecue for his beloved media in the middle of all this. Flak jackets mandatory, of course.

The "surge" did not succeed other than reducing American casualties. Iraq is still in chaos with over 100 civilians dying each week, thousands of refugees leaving, and no running water, sewage, or electricity in a majority of the homes.

Viet-Nam Veteran
United States Air Force 1963-1968

Posted by: Luke Wright | July 22, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

They, are a boogie man, a creation of the Bush administration to invade Iraq. Can someone tell me who we are actually at war with? We are not at war with anybody by any definition of the term. There is no victory, no surrender and no defeat. It is an illusion and they have sold it to the American people in the guise of keeping us safe.

Reminds me of the old joke what did you do in the war daddy?" "I protected Ohio from the Japs" "But there were no Japs in Ohio daddy". "See what a good job I did".

Even the terrorists are a boogie man. If terrorists want to attack us they can anytime they want just as they have done in other parts of the world. They don't attack us because they don't want to. But there is nothing we can do if someone wants to walk in a supermarket and blow it up.

I don't even believe most of the terror alerts or phony communications they claim to intercept. They seem to come at their convenient times like around elections designed to scare people. Want to be scared, 130,000 people in this country are killed every years from medical mal practice. How about the 40,000 a year who are killed by drunk drivers. Terrorists are the least of our problems.

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Can someone please break down for me just who the "they" is that Senator McCain keeps speaking of, that we have to defeat? Oh, they are Iraqui citizens. OK - just wondering.

Posted by: John D in Houston | July 22, 2008 4:06 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Grumps McCain sure does make some kind of tortured argument to justify bringing back the draft, doesn't he?

Posted by: Buck TX | July 22, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain gives credit to the surge for the improvements in Iraq, while ignoring other factors that have contributed. Then he claims that because Obama lacks experience in foreign policy he failed to support the surge and therefore is a bad risk to be our President.
So what does that make McCain, who's an experienced politician who fell right in line with Bush's erroneous premise for going to war in Iraq in the first place. At the time we barely had boots on the ground in Afghanistan, a place we knew had something to do with the 9/11 attacks on our country. He and many other experienced politicians have spent years making one mistake after another and yet he has the nerve to talk about how inexperience is dangerous. Well, I've got news for McCain - so is bad judgment.

Posted by: rc53 | July 22, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

It's a beautiful thing to see. The panicked flailing of the discredited right as they watch their fantasy of total control over America dissolve before their very eyes. Quick! Mobilize the fax machines, get out the talking points! Liberals love terrorists! Obama wants terrorists to attack! Distract! Exaggerate! Do something! We're going to lose everything!!!

Posted by: thebob.bob | July 22, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

If we've succeeded succeeding in our successful success, then why can't we leave?? Because you don't actually have any strategy or big-picture goals. You're just determined to stay.

If the McCain camp had any sense, they'd have used Maliki's statement as a way to change their position on Iraq. The plan they're committed to isn't winning them any friends or praise, here or in Iraq.

Posted by: Roq | July 22, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain, yes you got it right.

Advisors, please do let him speak. He does not even need to say anything about Obama. All viewers are biased so people just need some time to think. He did a great job. Do not change his style, please.

Posted by: premier | July 22, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Please just let McCain take a nap each day before speaking. He has an excuse for his gaffes. George doesn't.

Vote for Obama. Is it possible to vote now, no conventions and just put Bush and McBush out of their misery and let our country get started in making a comeback.

Posted by: Honey Rogers | July 22, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm already tired of McCain's constant carping and whining. Geez, this is the best the GOP can come up with? Whatever happened to whatzhisname, the Republican who liked to put squirrels in the blender and watch it turn to goo -- Hickabee, yeah, whatever happened to him? He's a reall asset to the GOP brand.

Posted by: Parakeeta Byrd | July 22, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"You Obamabots cannot tell a horse from a cow. Barry Hussein opposed the surge in Iraq from the beginning, and has opposed it ever since."

Do you really think that this tactic which has achieved a "temporary and fragile and easily reversible peace" has solved the centuries old conflict between Sunni and Shia?, Iraq needs political reconciliation to give all people in Iraq a stake in their future, then we've still got the Sunni/Shia problem.

How long do you want to pay Sunni's to not shoot at us?

Posted by: JR | July 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is just a pathetic shell of what he once was, if he was even anything anyway. Today I honestly can't in my wildest dreams imagine anyone voting for this demented fool.

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I'm sorry, but McCain's comment that Obama "would rather lose the war" is just outrageous. I don't care how opposed the candidates are in their viewpoints, or how low campaigning can sink, no individual who has devoted his or her life to serving the public deserves to be accused of such treason. I have always held McCain in high esteem, and am sorely disappointed in him. I only hope that this is a momentary lapse in judgment and is not evidence of "true colors." It was a scummy thing to say, and I hope he clarifies it.

Posted by: Jennifer | July 22, 2008 4:01 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Gee, are these the same successes that lie along the (nonexistent) "Iraq-Pakistan border" that McCain cited? Or maybe they involve that country McCain likes to talk about (that doesn't exist anymore), "Czechoslovakia."

Let's see: if things are going well in Iraq, according to McCain, we can't leave. And if things are going poorly...we can't leave. So, basically, he's saying we can't leave--ever. But he "knows how to win a war." Based on what???? Where's the proof?

I don't know what to believe from McCain anymore. When his logic isn't running contrary to itself, what he's saying makes absolutely no sense at all. It would be kind of humorous--if there weren't well over 130,000 U.S. troops' lives in the balance (and an entire nation of innocent people whose lives we've irrevocably screwed up).

Posted by: tellthetruth | July 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please break down for me just who the "they" is that Senator McCain keeps speaking of, that we have to defeat? Oh, they are Iraqui citizens. OK - just wondering.

Posted by: John D in Houston | July 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I think you are wanted back at Fact checker

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Four more years of war! Four more years of war! Four more years, four more years, four more years....
Vote for John McCain. Strong on security!
McCain '08

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | July 22, 2008 3:45 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The success of the successful victory in our victorious successes, equals the successful victory we've achieved victoriously AND successfully to be successfully victorious.


Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, but McCain's comment that Obama "would rather lose the war" is just outrageous. I don't care how opposed the candidates are in their viewpoints, or how low campaigning can sink, no individual who has devoted his or her life to serving the public deserves to be accused of such treason. I have always held McCain in high esteem, and am sorely disappointed in him. I only hope that this is a momentary lapse in judgment and is not evidence of "true colors." It was a scummy thing to say, and I hope he clarifies it.

Posted by: Jennifer | July 22, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain reminds me of Chicken Little. Remember when Chicken Little would go around yelling 'The sky is falling, the sky is falling'. McCain is the new Chicken Little, going around and yelling "the surge is working, the surge is working".

Doesn't McCain's friends in the media need to tell him that the "surge" is over. All the "surge" troops are out of Iraq now. So what's next in McCain's plan (or lack of one should I say) with over 150,000 troops still remaining in Iraq and Afghanistan going to hell-in-a-hand-basket?

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | July 22, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Four more years of war! Four more years of war! Four more years, four more years, four more years....
Vote for John McCain. Strong on security!
McCain '08

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | July 22, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Their not, they have extended the tours to 15 months. Then I guess 18 or maybe 24. It is all slide of hand with out soldiers lives.

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Is there one member of the press who has the courage to ask John this one, vital question: "Supposing that the surge really is working, where do you propose to find the troops the Army needs to replace the troops presently scheduled to rotate out of Iraq at the end of their present tours?"

Come on people, you are gicving him a free pass to blast Obama for proposing bringing the troops home, when he knows, and we know, that we haven't any replacement troops to relieve those on the firing lines. John's biggest lie is that the surge CAN be continued. John wants us to believe that he is such an expert in military affairs, let him demonstrate his expertise by describing just how we are to make a half million man Army fight a two million man war.

Make John demonstrate just how little he really knows about defense issues.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | July 22, 2008 3:26 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

He is talking to 100 people who came for the free buffet. Does this guy know how to campaign or what? The only reason this story is even being reported is because he talked about Obama. See the headline? Thats the only reason anyone would bother to even read it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

McLame is not really offering a solution to the problems in Iraq that hasn't been reheated and served up several times before. His approach is to pump more troops - get them killed - and then pump even more troops into Iraq - and then get them killed.

I doubt his strategy will work. Eventually we will see thru such an idiotic plan...let's do it before Election Day, and not after.

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 22, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Is there one member of the press who has the courage to ask John this one, vital question: "Supposing that the surge really is working, where do you propose to find the troops the Army needs to replace the troops presently scheduled to rotate out of Iraq at the end of their present tours?"

Come on people, you are gicving him a free pass to blast Obama for proposing bringing the troops home, when he knows, and we know, that we haven't any replacement troops to relieve those on the firing lines. John's biggest lie is that the surge CAN be continued. John wants us to believe that he is such an expert in military affairs, let him demonstrate his expertise by describing just how we are to make a half million man Army fight a two million man war.

Make John demonstrate just how little he really knows about defense issues.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | July 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The RNC can't really tell time....c'mon a time "horizon"....what is that???

McCain cant even look at a globe without squinting...and you think Mr Obama is wrong for not telling time or reading a calendar or changing the month on his calendar....

The RNC needs to come up with just another lame excuse to be in another counrty, killing its citizens just so McCain looks "tough" and sounds "scary"....

He has his own reflection for that...if the McCain for 2000 went into the future and saw the McCain for 2008 he really would commit suicide and this time ...succeed..

I say nominate Karl Rove at the RNC and really make a point!

Posted by: AlexP1 | July 22, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

May the United States of Arrogance have enough sense this election not to put this way-too-old warmonger in the White House. PLEASE!!!!!!! I have no love for bo, but mccain is definitely scary. The jerk is too tied to the despicably evil "w"/DICKY regime. TFL, Ken

Posted by: Ken | July 22, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

You Obamabots cannot tell a horse from a cow. Barry Hussein opposed the surge in Iraq from the beginning, and has opposed it ever since.

In January 2007, Obama said: "I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, I think it will do the reverse".

As recently as last week, Obama's website stated that "the surge is not working". Suddenly, as Obama was ready to go to Badgad, the campaign changed the website content and acknowledged an "improved security situation".

That is change we can believe in.

Posted by: hermanmonster | July 22, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The hapless old dodderer is so desperate to be President that he will say anything -- even when it is totally contrary to the facts.

McCain = Bush on Geritol

Posted by: RAS | July 22, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Lets discuss the reasons why there is no success without failure....and why pull out??

We have not gotten the oil out of the soil yet..they would like to pull the oil out of the ground and put in the tanks when they create a lie about Iran and start a war over there....drive up oil to 250 a barrel and start the war the RNC would want us to WWIII...

Then drop the bombs and destroy the planet and prove that Book of Revelation theory that they have.. since they really cant prove anything else...war, pestilence, death, Karl Rove

Posted by: AlexP1 | July 22, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain's first and only task in this moment is to get an intense crash course on the geography, cultures and groups in the Middle East. His constant verbal errors are a huge embarrassment and he should at least get his information correct.

Posted by: nerakami | July 22, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain is still under the impression that America cares about the surge. America wants the war to end. The surge wouldn't have helped without the Shiites calling a truce, the Sunni rejecting Al Qaeda, and the Iraqi troops improving security. The Iraqi government wants us out, and the American people want us out. The only person still talking about staying indeinitely is John (out of touch) McCain.

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | July 22, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

May Bush will loan him his "Mission Accomplished" banner.

Posted by: swalker3 | July 22, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain seems to be suffering terrible from Cognitive Dissonance. Obama had the judgement in 2002 to oppose the disaster in Iraq. If everything is so great, then let's get out. If we leave in a month or 10 years, as soon as we leave the puppet government will fall. Iraq won't be a democratic ally in the middle east. What an idiot. What happend to the hunt for Osama and the Anthrax Terrorist, Al Qaeda in Pakistan in the Global War in uhh Iraq?

Posted by: Post American | July 22, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Just like in The Simpsons...OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUDS!

This is really sad to watch. In McCain's mind the war on terror which started back in 2002 with Afghanistan, is just summarized into simple talking points about Iraq like "the surge is working, the surge is working, the surge is working".

What is McCain's plain after surge, which is really over? Why doesn't the media press McCain on his step forward with the surge now over and there is still 150,000 troops in Iraq?

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | July 22, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

How can McCain justify a war without necessity with the resultant being some 4100 dead Americans, 30,000 wounded and countless numbers suffering from a variety of mental related issues. The Iraq War was a war that just did not have to happen.

That said, what does McCain mean when he says ..win. What metric does he use or intend to use...? No one knows..perhaps not even him.

I personally think McCain in some way is trying to justify the Iraq War in a way in which he could not justify the Vietnam War..of which he suffered greatly.

He simply does not command the logic, the time (he is or will be 72 very soon) and he could not bring the country out of so many problems facing all of the American people.

Posted by: LTC US Army | July 22, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The surge was not a strategy--it was a "fix-a-flat" for a failed strategy. All we did was what the Generals asked Rumsfeld to do from the start...add more troops to the mix.
Sen. Obama knew from the beginning that driving down a dark road without a map and a flashlight would be dangerous.
Sen. McCain's plan temporarily fixed the tire, but he wants to keep going down the same dark road with no end in sight just to prove he's "Right".

Posted by: Surge Strategy? | July 22, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

McCain "ignored recent statements supporting withdrawal by 2010 from the prime minister of Iraq, Nouri al-Maliki and the Bush White House's implicit recent support of the idea." This pitiful little old man is still fighting his Vietnam war, determined to play the maverick against our Iraqi hosts' wishes and even problematically against the President whom he earlier hugged.

Posted by: FirstMouse | July 22, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

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