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No Troop Visits for Obama in Germany


Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) steps off his campaign plane as he arrives in Paris July 25, 2008. (Associated Press)

Updated 1:48 p.m.
By Dan Balz
PARIS -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama scrubbed a planned visit to see wounded American servicemen and women in Germany because of concerns raised by the Pentagon that the stop at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center could be seen as a political event, according to Obama's campaign.

Although the Illinois senator visited troops in Afghanistan and Iraq on the first part of his overseas trip, those stops were part of an official Congressional delegation, and therefore deemed apolitical. The European tour, which included a speech in Berlin last night before an enthusiastic crowd of 200,000, is funded by the campaign and as such is not official government business.

"Senator Obama had hoped to and had every intention of visiting our troops to express his appreciation and gratitude for their service to our country," retired Air Force Major General Scott Gration, an Obama adviser, said in a statement.

"We learned from the Pentagon [Wednesday] night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event. Senator Obama did not want to have a trip to see our wounded warriors perceived as a campaign event ... and decided instead not to go."

The Pentagon today said that, while political and campaign activity at military installations is restricted, it welcomes all nonpolitical visits by U.S. senators and did not barr an Obama visit.

"Nobody denied Senator Obama the opportunity to visit our wounded being cared for at Landstuhl. Obviously as a sitting senator he has an interest in that and can certainly visit in an official capacity," said Bryan Whitman, spokesman for the Pentagon. "There are as you know, though, restrictions on what you can do as a candidate for political office, that stems from trying to maintain political neutrality and not have the military involved in politics."

Military installations prohibit the use of their facilities "by any candidate for political campaign or election events, town hall meetings, press conferences, concession addresses," said Whitman, adding that "Under no circumstances may a candidate make a campaign-related statement on an instillation."

"The senator's staff was informed of the limits on what the military can do with respect to a political campaign and how we could support a senator's visit to Landstuhl, and quite frankly I expected them to have the visit," Whitman said.

When Obama arrived in Germany yesterday, a printed schedule said he would fly to the military hospital today. Asked at the time about the schedule, an Obama adviser said it was incorrect, that the stop had been considered but ultimately rejected.

"The senator decided out of respect for these servicemen and women that it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign," senior adviser Robert Gibbs said in a statement.

The campaign of Obama's GOP rival, Sen. John S. McCain, was quick to criticize the decision. "Barack Obama is wrong," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said. "It is never 'inappropriate' to visit our men and women in the military."

As a result of the schedule change, Obama remained in Berlin Friday morning before leaving for a brief stop in Paris and a meeting with French President Nicolas Sarkozy. He is expected to hold a news conference with the French leader before flying to London to end the day.

Flying from Berlin to Paris this afternoon, Gibbs provided reporters with further information. He said that in mid-July the campaign had received approval from the Pentagon to land at Ramstein Air Base, near Landstuhl. He said it is not clear that the Pentagon ever revoked that approval, but earlier this week, Pentagon officials said their interpretation of regulations made it clear that this visit would have to be considered campaign related.

Obama landed in Paris shortly before 4 p.m.

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Why are Republicans afraid of being seen with President Bush? McCain allows the President to raise millions of Dollars in Campaign funds for him, however he complains & disparges him at every turn. If he disagreed with so much of the Bush's policies and doctrine, How come he is not appalled to take Bush's funds. Lack of ethics, I guess. There are a substantial number of Republicans Politicians stating that the will not attend the GOP convention. As reported by many sources, McCain does not have the temperament or judgement to be POTUS.
Years of expierience, maybe. It's like the woman with 4 ex-husbands. Lots of expierience but no Judgement.

Posted by: Eltist | July 29, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Re: need4truth

Keep it up, A vote based upon lies & distortions is definitely a right wasted.

Keep it coming

Posted by: Elitist | July 29, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

A day after his Berlin speech before an adulating crowd last week, Mr. Obama said more NATO troops in Afghanistan would allow the U.S. to cut its presence there. The "billions of dollars" saved, he told CNN Friday, could "finance lower taxes for middle-class families." Does he really think he is in control of NATO ?
On Sunday the Secretary General of the opposition German Free Democrats, Dieter Niebel, shot back, telling the Bild am Sonntag that "Under no circumstances will the German taxpayer pay with more money and more troops for Afghanistan for tax cuts in the U.S." In Berlin last week, many Germans felt the thrill of new romance. Now they're beginning to find out that Mr. Obama is not the man of their dreams.
Hello, did the little black god stump his toe on this one ? He certainly does have diarrhea of the mouth, doesn't he ? And this is presidential material ! I never saw this on CNN, wonder why ? It was in the newspaper. May God help us.

Posted by: old mo | July 29, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Long diarrhea of the mouth democratic excuses are mindless. Bottom line Obama is a senator. No VISIT.

Posted by: old mo | July 29, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain Camp exploits a LIE....TYPICAL REBUSHAGAIN PARTY BULL----....

Here's the true account from FACTCHECK.ORG

A new McCain ad says Obama "made time to go to the gym, but canceled a visit with wounded troops. Seems the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras."

McCain's facts are literally true, but his insinuation - that the visit was canceled because of the press ban or the desire for gym time - is false. In fact, Obama visited wounded troops earlier - without cameras or press - both in the U.S. and Iraq. And his gym workouts are a daily routine.

The Obama campaign canceled the visit with wounded troops at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany, Obama says, when he learned that the Pentagon would not allow him to bring along a retired Air Force major general who is serving as a foreign policy adviser to the campaign. Obama says that "triggered then a concern that maybe our visit was going to be perceived as political."

Analysis
Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign released this ad July 26 and said it would run in "key states."


John McCain 2008 Ad: "Troops"

Announcer: Barack Obama never held a single Senate hearing on Afghanistan. He hadn't been to Iraq in years. He voted against funding our troops.

And now, he made time to go to the gym, but canceled a visit with wounded troops. Seems the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras.

John McCain is always there for our troops. McCain. Country first.

John McCain: I'm John McCain and I approve this message.Trading the Troops for the Gym?


The ad says Obama "made time to go to the gym, but canceled a visit with wounded troops." The announcer then goes on to say that it "seems the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras," implying that's the reason Obama canceled the visit.

It's a fact that Obama canceled a visit to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center at the last minute after planning it for weeks. And it's a fact that reporters and their cameras would not have been allowed to accompany him. Furthermore, Obama probably did go to the gym that day, as he does practically every day. So the bare facts stated in the ad are true, but they don't support McCain's insinuation.

We can't read minds and so are in no position to know Obama's motives, or McCain's for that matter. It's unlikely, however, that the absence of press coverage would have been a factor in Obama's decision, as the ad implies. Obama says he never planned to take reporters on the Landstuhl visit, and Department of Defense rules prohibited him from taking reporters on previous visits he made with wounded troops.

Reporters were not allowed to accompany him when he visited wounded troops at Walter Reed Medical Center on June 28. The small "protective pool" of reporters that routinely accompanies him was told by Obama's staff to remain outside, in the van, according to a reporter covering the campaign. Similarly, Obama visited wounded troops in Baghdad earlier in his overseas trip, but he did so without reporters and "without a lot of fanfare, just to say 'Thanks'," according to Democratic Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, who accompanied Obama.

It's true Obama made time for at least one workout while he was in Germany. And he has been known to dedicate more than a few minutes to his exercise regimen. Two reporters who cover Obama, and who were on this trip, tell us that the candidate works out every day, and sometimes twice a day. However, the video of Obama playing basketball featured in McCain's ad is from his time in Kuwait, not Germany.


What Happened and When?


The military's stated policy is to avoid "[a]ny activity that may be reasonably viewed as directly or indirectly associating the [Department of Defense] with a partisan political activity." Members of Congress are allowed to be photographed with the troops and appear with them while serving as public officials, but not as political candidates. When Obama was in Kuwait and Iraq, he was traveling without reporters or campaign staff and visited military installations as part of a congressional delegation that included Sen. Reed and Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska. Hagel said afterward, on CBS' "Face the Nation" July 27: "We saw troops everywhere we went on the congressional delegation. We went out of our way to see those troops."

But Hagel and Reed dropped off after the delegation visited the Middle East, and the European leg of Obama's trip was a campaign trip, not an official one. Even so, Obama planned to leave reporters behind for a visit to Landstuhl, according to a press briefing by campaign spokesman Robert Gibbs. Gibbs said reporters would have been left behind, though there "may have been" a pool report afterward. Since reporters would not be allowed inside the hospital, any pool reports would have noted only the fact of Obama's coming and going, with no photographs, as was the case with Obama's June 28 visit to Walter Reed. Here's part of the transcript of Gibbs' briefing:

Q: Did it not occur to anybody that this might be viewed as a political stop?

Gibbs: We had taken some of that into consideration, but we believed that it could be done in a way that would not create, it would not be created or seen as a campaign stop.

Q: The schedule was for this plane, with us in it, to fly to Ramstein. By the way we were expected to pay for the flight, what were you suppose to do with the entourage then?

Gibbs: You would have stayed on the plane.

Q: We would have stayed on the plane, would there have been any pool report?

Gibbs: There may have been, I don't know if we ever came to a decision on that.

Obama "More than Welcome"


At first, it seemed the Obama camp was blaming the Pentagon for the cancellation. Retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Jonathan Scott Gration, an Obama adviser who had planned to accompany him to Landstuhl, issued a statement saying, "We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as ... a campaign event." That prompted a response from Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell, who said, "Sen. Obama is more than welcome to visit Landstuhl or any other military hospital around the world. ... But he has to do so, just as any other senator has to do so, in his official capacity. It is not acceptable to do so as a candidate." Los Angeles Times reporters Michael Finnegan and Peter Spiegel went on to quote Morrell as saying, "In an election year ... I don't believe that any candidate is allowed to visit a DOD facility with press."

Gibbs, and later Obama himself, then confirmed that it was the Obama campaign and not the Pentagon that decided to scrub the visit. Obama told the press that he had never planned to take reporters inside: "We were treating it the same way we treat a visit to Walter Reed ... without any fanfare whatsoever." And he said the discovery that Gration would not be allowed to come prompted the cancellation.

Obama: And we got notice that [Gration] would be treated as a campaign person, and it would therefore be perceived as political because he had endorsed my candidacy but he wasn't on the Senate staff. That triggered then a concern that maybe our visit was going to be perceived as political.

We note here that Obama might still have gone on the visit, leaving Gration behind and accompanied only by Secret Service security. But with or without Gration, there would have been no news reporters or news photographers to record the visit.

An Ad Re-Run


The McCain ad repeats the claim that Obama has not held "a single hearing on Afghanistan." As we've already noted, both candidates have less-than-stellar records when it comes to attending Senate hearings on Afghanistan. The ad also repeats the misleading statement that Obama "voted against funding our troops." As we've noted before, Obama voted in favor of funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan all but once since he was sworn in.

Footnote: McCain's campaign repeated its allegation again today, issuing a statement in the name of retired Army helicopter pilot and McCain campaign surrogate Michael J. Durant, saying Obama's visit "was canceled after it became clear that campaign staff, and the traveling press corps, would not be allowed to accompany Senator Obama." (Emphasis added.) As we've already noted, no cameras or press were planned.

-by Emi Kolawole and Brooks Jackson

Sources
"Today on the presidential campaign trail." The Associated Press, 29 June 2008.

Department of Defense. Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces. Washington: GPO, 2008.

Finnegan, Michael and Peter Spiegel. Obama's cancellation of a military hospital visit leaves unanswered questions. 25 July 2008. The Los Angeles Times: Top of the Ticket, 28 July 2008.

Miklaszewski, Jim. Gration and the Landstuhl Controversy. 25 July 2008. MSNBC First Read Blog, 28 July 2008.

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The Truth on Troop Support?
A McCain TV ad says Obama "voted against funding our troops." He did, once. Every other time he voted in favor.

John McCain in this ad says he's always been there for the troops......

REALLY??????

Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition
By a vote of 75-22, the Senate approved an expanded version of the GI bill today. Proposed by Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., it's the biggest expansion of the bill in the past quarter-century, according to the New York Times. But it has also been opposed by, among others, President Bush and presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain.

Bush, McCain and the others who've opposed Webb's bill argue that the expanded provisions -- the government would pay tuition and expenses at a four-year public university for anyone who spent three years in the military after 9/11 -- will hurt the military's efforts to retain its troops. Bush has threatened to veto Webb's bill, and McCain introduced one of his own. He did not vote today.

The vote provoked some heated rhetoric between McCain and Barack Obama. Speaking from the floor of the Senate, Obama said, "I respect Sen. John McCain's service to our country ... But I can't understand why he would line up behind the President in his opposition to this GI Bill. I can't believe why he believes it is too generous to our veterans."

In response, McCain released a harsh -- and lengthy -- statement. "It is typical, but no less offensive, that Senator Obama uses the Senate floor to take cheap shots at an opponent and easy advantage of an issue he has less than zero understanding of," McCain said. "Unlike Senator Obama, my admiration, respect and deep gratitude for America's veterans is something more than a convenient campaign pledge."

The Senate also approved funding for the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and a domestic spending package that will be included in the war funding bill. An amendment that included language about troop withdrawal was rejected, 34-63.

― Alex Koppelman

WAIT....JUST ONE MORE TID-BIT MCCAIN ACTUALLY SKIPPED THE VOTE.....

Senate Republicans have broken with President Bush to help Democrats add support for veterans and the unemployed to a bill paying for another year of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

The 75-22 vote also added billions of dollars in other domestic funds such as heating subsidies for the poor and money for fighting wildfires to the $165 billion for the military operations overseas.

...The huge tally in the Senate was driven by $15.6 billion over two years to extend unemployment benefits by 13 weeks and more than $50 billion over the upcoming decade to provide returning Iraq war veterans with sharply increased college aid.


Both Sens. Obama and Clinton voted in favor of the bill. Sen. McCain skipped the vote (as did Sens. Tom Coburn and Ted Kennedy).

Howard Dean released a statement criticizing McCain for skipping the vote:

"America's veterans and military families deserve better than a candidate who is willing to keep our troops in Iraq for 100 years, but refuses to take care of them when they come home. The men and women in who volunteer to put on the uniform of the United States of America risk their lives to defend our freedoms, and we should do everything we can to help them be successful when they come home. While Senator McCain talks about supporting our troops and veterans on the campaign trail, his real record tells a much different story. While we honor his service to our country, Senator McCain's double talk on veterans' benefits is one more reason he is the wrong choice for America's future."
Obama also responded to McCain's absence:

I respect sen. John McCain's service to our country. He is one of those heroes of which I speak. But I can't understand why he would line up behind the President in his opposition to this GI bill.

I can't believe why he believes it is too generous to our veterans. I could not disagree with him and the President more on this issue. There are many issues that lend themselves to partisan posturing but giving our veterans the chance to go to college should not be one of them.


And McCain hammered back in a particularly harsh response:

"Perhaps, if Senator Obama would take the time and trouble to understand this issue he would learn to debate an honest disagreement respectfully. But, as he always does, he prefers impugning the motives of his opponent, and exploiting a thoughtful difference of opinion to advance his own ambitions. If that is how he would behave as President, the country would regret his election."...

"It is typical, but no less offensive that Senator Obama uses the Senate floor to take cheap shots at an opponent and easy advantage of an issue he has less than zero understanding of. Let me say first in response to Senator Obama, running for President is different than serving as President. The office comes with responsibilities so serious that the occupant can't always take the politically easy route without hurting the country he is sworn to defend. Unlike Senator Obama, my admiration, respect and deep gratitude for America's veterans is something more than a convenient campaign pledge. I think I have earned the right to make that claim."


UPDATE: Obama has responded to McCain, calling him out for making 'schoolyard taunts':

I am proud to stand with Senator Webb and a bipartisan coalition to give our veterans the support and opportunity they deserve. It's disappointing that Senator McCain and his campaign used this issue to launch yet another lengthy personal, political attack instead of debating an honest policy difference. He should know that this is not about John McCain or Barack Obama - it's about giving our veterans a real chance to afford four years of college without harming retention. Senator Webb's bipartisan bill will do this, and the bill that John McCain supports would not. These endless diatribes and schoolyard taunts from the McCain campaign do nothing to advance the debate about what matters to the American people.

Posted by: need4trth | July 29, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

See our view on Obama's failure to visit wounded troops in Germany at www.NotFallingInLine.org.

Obama says, "We did it really well."

We say, "No, Senator. You didn't."

Don't validate the selectee who is sleazing off with a nomination that he did not earn and does not deserve.

Posted by: Knoxville NFIL | July 28, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

See our view on Obama's failure to visit wounded troops in Germany at www.NotFallingInLine.org.

Obama says, "We did it really well."

We say, "No, Senator. You didn't."

Don't validate the selectee who is sleazing off with a nomination that he did not earn and does not deserve.

Posted by: Knoxville NFIL | July 28, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

OWHDinWV, I like your writing, but your conclusions seem shaped by media, not fact.

Obama should have stopped to see the troops, even if it meant leaving the reporters behind. Then he could have rented space in the Landstull Town Hall or nearby Ramstein Village for a press conference. Apparently he just didn't want to tell the wounded he thought they fought for nothing.

Going into IRAQ was the right thing to do. Reports continue to come out from non-US sources of WMD casings, source materials, and plans, indicating Sadaam had intentions our continual monitoring (Norther/Southern Watch) wouldn't let him try. And when Bush said "Mission Accomplished" he was right. Trouble is, the Army and State Dept mucked up the operation and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Back on mission, I'm sure a real military strategist (McCain) operating without a crazed SecDef (Rumsfeld) could end this war in a matter of months, with a lasting peace. Obama will only cut and run, causing regional turmoil for decades.

Posted by: Old Guy | July 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain is trying to whip-saw his opponent for Obama's decision to respect the Pentagon ruling that visiting troops in Germany would be political instead of violating the Pentagon's ruling by visiting these troops, including the wounded. Either path would have drawn fire from the Bush Hugger.

McCain's comments would be more seriously taken if he supported the needs of veterans of all our wars.

Posted by: Jobless old white vet | July 28, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I have read almost every post on this article and I have been totally amazed at the amount of venom that has been spewed out. Sure there are always some posts that are actually trying to introduce a reasoned, sane argument for believing whatever they believe but most of this stuff on here just reveals how much mindless hatred motivates the politics of too many people.

Does anyone really believe that the hate spewed on on these posts is what those troops are over there fighting and dying for? I just don't think so. If any of them are able to keep up with just what has been on this site I think they would probably lose heart. When we see the hate between different people in Iraq, Darfur, Israel and the Palestinians it probably started like this with words flung out of hearts filled with so much hate that after while words weren't enough and they had to start killing each other.

Posted by: Mere | July 28, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

1999 wasn't that long ago ... I still remember the MSM poodles, to the person, give Bush a complete pass on issues they're just ripping Obama to shreds over now.
Bush had been out of the country two times as I recall, once to China to visit his cosseting parents, I doubt if he went even to visit the Great Wall of China on his own and ... a visit to Israel as a guest of Ariel Sharon and his monumental and feisty, ignorant flub to a reporter about who the President of Pakistan was. No one in the media made an issue out of it and certainly the Gore campaign was too afraid to attack Bush as McCain is lying and attacking Obama.

I still think this horrific disrespect McCain shows towards Obama (although the media and the Republicans made sure Gore and Kerry were attacked and always on the defensive) is racist and bigoted to the core.
Obama ought to sue the disgusting McCain for slander.
McCain bashes Sen Obama in exactly the same way Hitler smeared the jewish citizens of Germany.

Posted by: Miss Kitty | July 27, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama did not get pictures with wounded soldiers so he cancelled the visit. It's just that simple. Come on guys. He's a politician like any other politician.

Posted by: brian | July 27, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Obama did not get pictures with wounded soldiers so he cancelled the visit. It's just that simple. Come on guys. He's a politician like any other politician.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

McCain and his campaign is dealing in distortions and Outright lies on the issue.
McCain is showing his total lack of integrity and Honesty.Barack Obama canceled a pre-planned visit to the troops in Germany Thursday after being told by the Pentagon that the trip would violate a Pentagon policy prohibiting campaign stops on military installations. No problem there.
However, the McCain campaign is now blasting Obama:


The McCain camp has nonetheless been using Obama's canceled trip to insinuate that he's anti-troops. "Barack Obama is wrong," McCain spokesperson Brian Rogers said in a statement yesterday. "It is never 'inappropriate' to visit our men and women in the military."
The problem here is that the McCain campaign was denied a visit to a military base under the same policy back in April. Of course, there was no outcry or false outrage from Brian Rogers at that time. On April 3, 2008 CNN reported on this.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/03/mccain.pentagon/index.html

http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=4FE8823D79B012540EA163C17A17164E?diaryId=1671

McCain stated he wanted to run a campaign on the issues, up till now I have only seen ,whining, character disparagement, dishonest from an Angry Old Man!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2008 5:20 AM | Report abuse

Mccain needs to realize that Obama doesn't have time for his barking like a Pitt Bull. Obama is busy meeting his expectations while Mccain is standing by barking like a neighbord dog that gets on your nerves. Mccain is pathetic. Pitt Bull Mccain.

Posted by: travis | July 27, 2008 4:07 AM | Report abuse

McCain will look back at this week as the week he lost the election. His wild accusations about Obama's patriotism and his incessant (and inaccurate) yammering about the Iraqi troop surge lead me to conclude he has left the straight talking war hero, maverick behind. He is channeling the campaigns of George W.Bush/Karl Rove and Hillary Clinton.

Where or where is the John McCain we independents used to admire?

Posted by: Bill P. | July 26, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

THIS STORY PERFECT EXAMPLE. THE MEDIA AND REPUBLICANS NEEDED TO MAKE UP A STORY BECAUSE OBAMA DIDN'T GIVE THEM THE BIG GAFFES THEY FOLLOWED HIM ALL AROUND THE WORLD FOR.

THE MEDIA TRAVELED WITH OBAMA ALL AROUND THE WORLD LOOKING FOR A STORY OF A BIG GAFFE AND THERE WASN'T ANY. NOW THERE TRYING TO MAKE THEIR OWN GAFFES ON HIS SPEECH IN BERLIN. ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW HIM SEEMING TO PERSUMPTIOUS, AND AMERICAN VOTERS MIGHT NOT LIKE IT. NOBODY TOLD THE MEDIA THEY SHOULD GO WITH HIM AROUND THE WORLD HOPING FOR A BIG STORY AND BE UPSET THAT THEY DIDN'T GET ONE. IF THEY WANTED A STORY THEY SHOULD HAVE STAYED HOME WITH MCCAIN HE'S MADE GAFFES ALL WEEK. MCCAIN SAID THAT IRAQ BORDERS AFGANISTAN, MCCAIN SAID THAT THE SURGE BEGAN THE ANBAR AWAKENING AND HE SAID THAT A 16 MONTH TIMETABLE WAS A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. HOWEVER, THESE WERE GAFFES ON MCCAIN AND NOT OBAMA, THEREFORE THEIR NOT IMPORTANT. ONLY OBAMA'S GAFFES GET PLAYED ON THE AIR REPEATEDLY. SOON THEY WILL START RUNNING POLLS OF OBAMA'S WORLD TRIP. ITS FUNNY HOW THE MEDIA CRITICIZES OBAMA'S SUCCESS ABROAD WITH ALL OF THE FANS AND ANXIOUS LEADERS AROUND THE WORLD HOPING FOR AN OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AS BEING PRESUMPTIOUS INSTEAD OF THE RESULT OF A GREAT LEADER. MAYBE THE MEDIA LIKES THE IDEA OF HAVING OUR PRESIDENT HATED OR DON'T WANT TO BE THE BEACON OF HOPE AROUND THE WORLD AFTER ALL.

SEE MCCAIN EAT HIS WORDS AND SIGN ON TO OBAMAS 16 MONTH WITHDRAWL.

MCCAIN SAID A 16 MONTH TIMETABLE IN IRAQ WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA:
WATCH

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xRGl7UjSL_U

Posted by: LARRY | July 26, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Saint: I promise NOT to engage you further in this exchange, for having a battle of wits with you is like fighting an unarmed man . . . If only your vaunted verility extended to your intellectual prowess . . .

For the record, being a Democrat doesn't necessarily make one a liberal--I happen to be a centrist, but perhaps that's too fine a distinction for you to wrap your mind around. But on to the real point:

While nobody (including me) actually regrets Saddam's removal, the point remains that invading Iraq was 1) not justified by the very reasons that the lying Bush administration advanced, as has been amply demonstrated. What part of NO WMD's, no Saddam connection to Al Qaeda do YOU not understand??? 2) The war was very badly prosecuted, not by the heroic soldiers on the ground, but by the inept and incompetent Bush administration. "Mission Accomplished," my _____.

Oppose Obama's candidacy if you must, but at least don't rant hysterically, and do try to offer RATIONAL reasons for your opinions (oh, sorry, that would require you to be capable of doing so). As for me, I hope the Republicans and the Bush-surrogate John McCain get the electoral spanking they so richly deserve in November.

Posted by: old white male democrat in WV | July 26, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

oldwhitelibbiein wv- Bad News, I am very Verile!

Just what do you think, Barry O'Bomba-Nation is actually saying when he proudly declares his opposition to Saddam HUSSEIN's Removal?

FYI - IF, it was up to Barack Hussein, Saddam would STILL have MILLIONS of Iraqis, under his Tyranical Control!

Barack LIKED that Scenario, and PROUDLY Proclaims his OPPOSITION to our Liberating Iraq!

He should have been SCORNED by the Iraqi People!

The Media is very good at CONFUSING People with WARPED REALITIES! :-(

Just what part of "He was AGAINST the Liberating Invasion of Saddam HUSSEIN's Country", don't you comprehend?

Or, traitorous and duplicitous Shi-ites like al-Malarkey?

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Posted by: l4giykh1zu | July 26, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

SAINT--The (whoever the heck you are): I have often criticized many writers of comments to various articles for their irrationality and stupidity, but brother (sister?), you deserve a special award!! It's been a while since I've seen such idiocy combined with such hatred. Mind you, I can respect clear thinking and good writing coming from those with whom I disagree. And I think civility should be the order of the day for persons posting comments here. Derision and contempt are your just desserts, however. Was this a contest to use the name "HUSSEIN" in the least truthful, most stupid ways???? If so, you win. Are you sterile?? For the sake of humankind and of the planet, I hope so.

Posted by: old white male democrat in WV | July 26, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

After all this late night dinner monolog by barry. The polls show him up 6 points.No gain .In fact McCain gained a point. Without the hysteria Barry isn't selling in the USA. There is profound uneasiness about him. I don't think the world will end if either gets in . McCain we know. Obama we don't. The issue is he can't dodge the debates with McCain. when we know him will we vote for him.This election is a referendum on Barry.

Posted by: denfenster | July 26, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

This seems like a no-win for Obama. If he visited the troops he would be accused of "expoliting" them. When he doesn't, he's accused of "disrespecting" them.

Bush *LIED* to start this unnecessary war and nobody cared... Bush sent people into combat without proper armor and nobody cared... When his war went over budget Bush cut soldiers pay and benefits and nobody cared...

Obama is one of the few people who spoke up when it mattered to say "No, the reasons aren't good enough to send our young people to go and die."

He doesn't have anything to prove when it comes to caring about our troops. He wants to bring them home where they belong.

War is a tremendous waste of resources.

Did you listen to Obama's Berlin speech? He is trying to unite the world to take a more sensible approach to our common problems.

The only people who will lose out are the arms dealers.

Please cool-it with the spite and cynical rhetoric. This is not a red-state/blue-state thing. You are not rooting for a sports team.

Please do some homework and think about the issues.

These are difficult times and we as a people have important decisions to make.

Posted by: Rwolf | July 26, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama canceled a pre-planned visit to the troops in Germany yesterday after being told by the Pentagon that the trip would violate a Pentagon policy prohibiting campaign stops on military installations. No problem there.
However, the McCain campaign is now blasting Obama:


The McCain camp has nonetheless been using Obama's canceled trip to insinuate that he's anti-troops. "Barack Obama is wrong," McCain spokesperson Brian Rogers said in a statement yesterday. "It is never 'inappropriate' to visit our men and women in the military."
The problem here is that the McCain campaign was denied a visit to a military base under the same policy back in April. Of course, there was no outcry or false outrage from Brian Rogers at that time


http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=4FE8823D79B012540EA163C17A17164E?diaryId=1671

This is another example of the McCain distortions and lies. McCain needs to stop whining and complaining and explain in detail what his Foreign policy strategy is, Healthcare,Economic and Energy policies. He needs to stop behaving like an angry Old man.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 26, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter what Obama does; the Republicans will fine something wrong with it. They suggested that he go and when he went they started finding fault with it. He should have just gone and watched his mouth like Blacks have learned how to do so well to survive. but then as I have observed; it doesn't matter what he does the Republicans will find fault with it. The Limbaughals (pronounced limbowels) will find some reason to complain because they, "those Limbaughals" just don't get it.

Posted by: Glen Smith | July 26, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Well of course O'Bomba-Nation did not want to see the servicemen and women who ousted Saddam HUSSEIN.

He openly admits, he would have preferred to have Saddam still in Control!

I'll wager Barack HUSSEIN Cried, when Saddam HUSSEIN Died!

How DARE those Service People expect him to THANK Them for what they did! :-(

He is STILL Proud to support Saddam and his Reign! It was his definitive Moment to oppose Saddam's Removal!

HUSSEIN's Stand by one Another! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | July 26, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse


Obama was worried about his visit to the Troops in Germany has being viewed as a "political stunt"?!

His whole trip is a political trip! It's a joke! When Obama got off the plane in Afganistan the reporters should have said "Now watch has the Freshman Senator takes his first step on Afgan Soil! One small step for Obama, one giant step for his inexperience!"

The 4th of July was a political event. That was pathetic and just as dirty as he is.

Does anyone notice how Obama simply repeats/reflects the obvious or what has already been spoken by others?

McChange/Romney 2008! "Because there is No other Solution!"

Posted by: Not a Pawn to ObamaCon! | July 26, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

How can the American people be so stupid.

Posted by: Nick Paleos | July 26, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

More shameless schilling for Obama: the opening para ("Obama scrubbed a planned visit to see wounded American servicemen and women in Germany because of concerns raised by the Pentagon that the stop ... could be seen as a political event") is a complete lie. Obama dissed the wounded troops because he wasn't going to be allowed to use it as a photo op for his campaign -- so obviously it was not worth his or his campaign's time.

As the polls show, despite the media trying to sell BHO at every opportunity, voters are catching on: this is all about HIM, not them, and anyone who doesn't follow his script is thrown under the bus.

Including troops wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan. Talk about adding insult to injury.

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Posted by: jeanbee | July 26, 2008 5:04 AM | Report abuse

May be Barack Obama could have paid a "restricted" visit to wounded soldiers in military hospital in Germany, but anyway, the latter would have come to know that finally there is a presidential candidate who genuinely cares for them.

Posted by: Anju Chandel | July 26, 2008 3:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama first to want to open talks with Iran.
Obama first to recognize that a change in policy is needed in Afghanistan.
Obama first to recognize that the decrease in violence meant that a 16 month time table was right for cutting troops in Iraq.

McCain has faux experience,he is last to know what is happening.

McCain was not polling well on Iraq. Or al-Maliki was being stubborn in negotiations and Bush will have to give in to 16 months time horizon and McCain does not want to be last to get on board. The man with faux experience has stumbled along following the pack.

As a presidential candidate, Obama has been leading the country on it's big decisions. He is leading us out of Iraq before he is elected..

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Republican dirty tricks telling Obama one thing and then turning around and saying another. Too bad those shenaigans didn't work when George Bush tried and prevent Obama from speaking at the Brandenberg Gates. Good thing the site that was ultimately chosen fit 200,000 people.

Posted by: Rev. Karl Warrington | July 25, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing Diane72 has to say that is worth reading , let alone thinking about, let alone respond to. Diane is a he. Ignore him.

Posted by: G8tr | July 25, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

What is not being covered in the presidential campaign is that Senator McCain, despite coming from a Navy family, being an Annapolis graduate, a career Navy officer and POW, has been no friend of veterans as evidenced by his votes; he has voted against sufficient VA funding at every opportunity and opposed the 21st Century GI Bill.

It's no accident under the Republicans that concurrent receipt for military retirement and disability benefits is structured with phase-ins with the actuaries betting most veterans would be dead before they could ever collect or that the VA has evolved into a system that is the veteran's adversary rather than advocate as the object is to slash budgets on veterans' backs by directives to misdiagnose and deny disability compensation where-ever possible as evidenced by leaked VA memos.

McCain was recently quoted in the Army Times that he would prioritize combat-disabled veterans over all other disabled veterans in the VA system for treatment and compensation. (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/07/military_mccain_healthcare_072308/) Making a distinction between service-disabled veterans based on how that disability was incurred simply to deny care and benefits to one group to cut expenditures is repugnant and quite telling. McCain was simply focused on combat-wounded veterans as they are a hot topic and therefore a means to gain sympathy votes from those who are not informed on his record and actual position.

The result of McCain's plan will be a still woefully under-funded VA while shoving every other veteran out in favor in favor of the combat-disabled to save a buck.

This is nothing new. The Bush Administration proposed creating a two-tiered VA system where, for example, a leg lost to an IED would be worth more than a leg lost in a training accident and then declare, in either case, once the veteran was able to walk with a prosthetic leg that they were made whole and benefits would stop although both were still missing a leg. There was also the idea of giving the veteran a lump-sum payment for a disability before the full extent of it and its life-long implications could be evaluated.

Every voter should know and remember this: While countless veterans are on waiting lists for medical care and fighting for compensation for years McCain gets the very best of priority care at Bethesda Naval Hospital while collecting his Navy retirement, disability compensation and senate pay.

Posted by: bfjackjernigan | July 25, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a fraud. And he is a divider of the worst kind. He did not tell the Germans about his listening to ANTI "European whites" rhetoric for 20 YEARS! Yes 20 YEARS of following this Black Supremist mentor. I bet the Germans and French would be very interested in getting to know the real Obama and his "Mentor and Uncle" for 20 years, the Rev. Wright.
Obama, ACTIONS (for 20 years) SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS (6 months of rhetoric for a vote)!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I wonder when the MSM will pick up on Michelle Shaniqua Obama's arrest at the age of 16 in Gary, IN for shoplifting. Do we want someone like her pilfering White House valuables?

Posted by: Dianne72 | July 25, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Both of you are as fake as Obama.

Posted by: Seminole-rob

Please document what things Obama represents himself to be and is not. Be specific about you're proof that he is not what he said he is. Remember your a Seminole, not a Gator.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 25, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Well,well so WAPO changed its story about
why that damn phony cheap political opportunist President and Commander in Chief Loser Barack Hussein Obama,suddenly decided to not go visit our wounded Soldiers and Marines at the US Military Hospital in Berlin,Germany after sleazy Obama found out he could not make the visit
into yet another phony Obama photo op and
then Obama went to the gym to work out,and
now Obama and his lying stooges and WAPO
are trying to blame the Pentagon and our
own military for egomanic no military service Obama SNAFU What An Insult By That
Damn Arse Barack Hussein Obama as everything Obama does always ends in FUBAR!
Hey Obama get your deadarse back into your
Ghetto One Is The One Airliner and take your phony butt back to Germany and make a
public apology to those same wounded troops
you jerk! As a former member of the US Army
and Army National Guard Medic from 1955 to
1983,Honorable Discharge Vet Obama I resent
you and your endless pandering and BS and
above all your insulting and total damn
disrespect for our troops you sleazy scumbag. Your Totally Unfit To Be Our
Commander in Chief Barack Hussein Obama and
I call on other voters,veterans and all of
those decent loyal American's who do support our troops to condemn Obama and Demand Barack Obama Go Apologize To These
Brave Wounded Troops! Show Your Outrage and
Real Support For Our Troops Now Voters!
I damn well will not Vote for Obama!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | July 25, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Well,well so WAPO changed its story about
why that damn phony cheap political opportunist President and Commander in Chief Loser Barack Hussein Obama,suddenly decided to not go visit our wounded Soldiers and Marines at the US Military Hospital in Berlin,Germany after sleazy Obama found out he could not make the visit
into yet another phony Obama photo op and
then Obama went to the gym to work out,and
now Obama and his lying stooges and WAPO
are trying to blame the Pentagon and our
own military for egomanic no military service Obama SNAFU What An Insult By That
Damn Arse Barack Hussein Obama as everything Obama does always ends in FUBAR!
Hey Obama get your deadarse back into your
Ghetto One Is The One Airliner and take your phony butt back to Germany and make a
public apology to those same wounded troops
you jerk! As a former member of the US Army
and Army National Guard Medic from 1955 to
1983,Honorable Discharge Vet Obama I resent
you and your endless pandering and BS and
above all your insulting and total damn
disrespect for our troops you sleazy scumbag. Your Totally Unfit To Be Our
Commander in Chief Barack Hussein Obama and
I call on other voters,veterans and all of
those decent loyal American's who do support our troops to condemn Obama and Demand Barack Obama Go Apologize To These
Brave Wounded Troops! Show Your Outrage and
Real Support For Our Troops Now Voters!
I damn well will not Vote for Obama!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | July 25, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I just love how Obama get's most of you dems/'new' progressives in a tizzy, last time a democrat running for president did that he stained a dress.

Posted by: Dick

your name fits.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"I also don't believe that Gator-ron graduated from the University of Florida."

Posted by: Seminole-rob

You're very unimaginative. You think inside a box. You assume that because of a name I graduated from the UF. You're petty. What is the difference whether I graduated from the UF or not, it has nothing to do with what I said. Unimaginative and petty, that sounds a person who would believe McCain. He once was a good man, who I voted for but that was before 2004. Now he is the stalking horse of Bush on Iraq and the economy. An honorable man sold himself out.

Just to remind you it was Obama not McCain who voted to increase veterans benefits this year. McCain did not care enough about the issue to even show up to vote. He had no opponent.

Your ad hominem attack on Obama makes it seem that you have yet to enter FSU, let alone graduate.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 25, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse


▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█ OBAMA / SANTA CLAUSE '08 █▇▆▅▄▃▂▁

........ THE ULTIMATE DREAM TICKET ........

Posted by: Grinning Ear-to-Ear | July 25, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

So, Dan-bama, could it not be simply said that Obama would only visit the wounded troops if his fawning press entourage was allowed to be there to record him doing so? Sure, it could. He couldn't get his picture taken with the wounded so he passed on the visit. Now, why couldn't you say that? Climb out of that tank, baby. See what the real worlds like again.

Posted by: guido28 | July 25, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

What does "repugs" mean? Republicans? Republican dogs? Republican Blue Dogs? Blue Dogs? A hybrid of all of the above?

Posted by: Lisa | July 25, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I just love how Obama get's most of you dems/'new' progressives in a tizzy, last time a democrat running for president did that he stained a dress.

Posted by: Dick | July 25, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I just love how Obama get's most of you repubs/'new' conservatives in a hissy fit, last time a democrat running for president did that he won 2 terms..

Posted by: Richard | July 25, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Gator-ron wrote:
"No, he knows that McCain whines about Obama being arrogant and there is no reason to believe it would be different. Many times McCain has shown his indifference to veterans"

bob II wrote:
"Obama said he chose not to meet with the soldiers because he didn't want it perceived as a photo opportunity for his political campaign. As a veteran, I like him being honest."

You are both incorrect and dishonest. I don't believe for one second that bob II actually is a veteran. I also don't believe that Gator-ron graduated from the University of Florida.

Both of you are as fake as Obama.

Posted by: Seminole-rob | July 25, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Magoo was stuffing bloody meat into a hose with a gang of senior prussians in the dank cellar of Schmidts' Sausage and Gunnery in Ohio, the home of the fabulous Jean Schmidt who said all us veterans of the Vietnam War cut and ran. Jean's a Republican applying for the Dot the I in Idiot job in Ohio because she's a Republican pig from the heartland. Magoo was elevated from the Cheezwhiz zone where he said murdering colored chillen from 40,000 feet to privatize the second largest oil reserve on the planet and be top Cracker on Crusade for Crude was a gift from Jesus. Let's discuss arrogance, the Jesus picked me, I'm a chosen moron arrogance whose exit strategy is the rapture when JC will personally return to crush your inbred skulls for disparaging His good name, not to mention setting chillen on fire for oil contracts for Ray Hunt, billionaire Republican oil boy on the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board since two weeks after 9-11; all orchestrated, all manipulated, all planned for your oil stealing pleasure. What could be dumber than killing your own kids for oil contracts? What Republicans? Why are you so genetically mutated? Ask yourself and take a long hard look at Mr. Magoo and understand the 72-year-old soldier is the best the Grand Oil Party can do.

Posted by: bob II | July 25, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Gator-ron,
Obama apparently listened to the wrong advice/people when he canceled this visit.
Posted by: Seminole-rob

No, he knows that McCain whines about Obama being arrogant and there is no reason to believe it would be different. Many times McCain has shown his indifference to veterans

"Obama said he chose not to meet with the soldiers because he didn't want it perceived as a photo opportunity for his political campaign. As a veteran, I like him being honest."

Posted by: bob II | July 25, 2008 7:13 PM

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 25, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

amaikovich,
Butcher the English language much?

Posted by: N. Fielding | July 25, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

More slanted coverage by the Post. Obama was welcome to visit the troops, but he couldn't bring the press along with him. Obama went shopping instead. Pretty clear what his priorities are.

Posted by: LMC | July 25, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

The reason Obama did not go to Landstuhl was he did not want to appear arrogant.

Obama took time off from his primary campaign while Hillary was still active and voted for the veterans new increased benefits. McCain who had no opponent at the time did not take off to vote on the veterans benefit package, and it is McCain who needs to explain his failure to show up. Obama has explained why he did what he did.

Independents ... @7:03 PM is another fool that posts here who is partisan but claims he is independent. I support Obama though I have voted for Republicans with some frequency prior to Bush 43's election. But I am honest and have nothing to hide. This blogger is deceptive like many Republicans who blog here.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Wake Up Voters, as even Adolf Hitler visited his wounded German soldiers in the
German Military Hospitals during WW2 so what makes this phony empty suit arrogant
egomanic loser Barack Hussein Obama think
he is too good to do so too? We need to
forcefully demand Barack Hussein Obama go
make a personal public apology to these
wounded US Troops that Obama refused to go
visit,after Obama was told he cannot turn
the visit into a photo op,and yet Obama
found time to go work out in their gym and
make phony speechs to the German people.
Obama your a bitter scumbag then Adolf Hitler,and even George W Bush,since Bush
even visits our wounded as do John McCain
and Hillary Clinton. Democrats Dump Obama!

Posted by: Sandy5274 | July 25, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Gator-ron,
Obama apparently listened to the wrong advice/people when he canceled this visit.

He's not qualified for CinC. He should go back to being a "Community Organizer" or whatever it was...

Posted by: Seminole-rob | July 25, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

To bloggers who constantly complain about Obama supporters' cultlike qualities--now you can add Europeans to your list--isn't it nice to at least have a live person to complain about? All the Republicans do is genuflect to Ronald Reagan. Ever listen to one of their debates? "I'm the best one to move the Reagan revolution forward." Help me.

Posted by: amaikovich | July 25, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama said he chose not to meet with the soldiers because he didn't want it perceived as a photo opportunity for his political campaign. As a veteran, I like him being honest. Our soldiers will do well in Afghanistan after we pull them off the Republicans' oil heist for Dick Cheney and Ray Hunt. Mr. Magoo is still screaming about victory in his oil reserve after Saudi Arabia attacked us. One million Iraqis are dead and they told Mr. Magoo to shove his New Oil Deal up his medal of honor. Mr. Magoo is an idiot who attacked the wrong nation to privatize its oil and make billions for his Big Oil Buds. America armed Iraq from 80 to 88 people. Have a braing. Try one out. Give one a test drive. When Saddam gassed the Kurds, America didn't give a damn. Wake Up and smell the oil. Republicans kill your kids for oil contracts in Iraq while the Sunni enemy, the extremists we helped train to kill the Russians are in Afghanistan. Mr. Magoo is too dumb and too old. McCain will blow a fuse before this is over and freak out. Iraq ain't your country and it ain't your oil!! Doo-dahs!

Posted by: bob II | July 25, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

McCain states that he has more experience than Obama. The mark of experience is the ability to anticipate problems. It is the ability to be given information and be able to evaluate it. Obama and McCain had the opportunity to suggest that more troops were needed in Afghanistan Last summer Obama did that. It took McCain a full year longer to come to the same conclusion. The same thing happened with talking to Iran Obama suggests it late last year and earlier this year McCain called Obama naive. Now McCain recognizes his error and supports talks, but only as the president begins such talks.

Obama is not able to predict the future but he is able to listen to many people holding different opinions and to sift though that information and correctly analyze that problem. That is good judgement and good judgement comes from experience so apparently Obama has the ability to gain from his experiences better than McCain.

It is just like the three students all go to school for one year. One student goes to school only one day per week but reads and talks to other people who are experts on the subject and learns the material well. The second and third student go to school and attend their class but the second student simply is not that intelligent and at the end of the year has barely learned anything. The third student text messages back and forth with his friends but occasionally catches a word or two from the teacher but is there mostly for a good time. Obama would say that student one has the most experience even though he attended school the least he acquired the most knowledge but he did not do it the normal way. McCain would say that student two and three had the most experience because they went to school longer but did not learn as much.

If McCain has more experience than Obama he has not proven and so the claim falls flat.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 25, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

What I think is scary is not that Obama did not want to visit the wounded troops, it the the people in this country that will sugar coat it give him a pass and think all is well in their little world.
I think Obama passed up a great time he could have pulled a Frank Burns and commanded those wounded soldiers to get out of that bed and head to Afghanistan! No Mash was funny this man is SCARRY!

Posted by: Independents use their brains | July 25, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

lonewolf,
They started drilling for oil about the same time the New Zealand All Blacks started drilling your sister.

Next question.

Posted by: Wolfpack | July 25, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

lonewolf:

I wish I could stay and play, but I have to go out tonight. See you later ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Mike Nguyen:

Be sure to vote for McCain!!!

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

for all of the obama haters-----we are waiting for your fighter to come out of the lockeroom. please dry off his tears and give him some encouragement. oh and by the way----when did they start drilling for oil in the mississippi river?

Posted by: lonewolf | July 25, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is "Obama is God," to most of liberal media, and Obama supporters. I am sick and tired of the "cult of personality," which is completely an old trick of the rulers of dictators.

Posted by: Mike Nguyen | July 25, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse


The Audacity of Douchebaggery

Posted by: Nobama | July 25, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is "Obama is God," to most of liberal media, and Obama supporters. I am sick and tired of the "cult of personality," which is completely an old trick of the rulers of dictators.

Posted by: Mike Nguyen | July 25, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"Lord -- Protect my family and me, Forgive me my sins, and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone really surprised that Obama and his stooges have continued to betray their disengenuousness by doing this!?

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No at all!

Posted by: || | July 25, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

it seems truly sad that the pentagon chooses to pick which candidates can politicize the visiting of troops who have served our country with honour, courage, and sacrifice. in the end however, obama did right by once again drawing out mcbush on an issue that a far more intelligent candidate would have refused comment upon. mcbush doesn't do this and doesn't do that. instead he sits at home and whines while screaming "foul" at every possible chance. why does he not go to europe? is it because he knows that instead of a warm welcome he will become a symbol of the ire europeans have for our present course of actions in this world? you bet he does. outmanouevered at every turn in the course he can do no more than critizize his opponent for being the aggresor. so now we have it- I JOHN MCBUSH COME FROM THE VERY SAME ILK AS THOSE ARROGANT AND STUBBORN NEOCONS IN WASHINGTON AND WILL DO AS I PLEASE, EVERYONE ELSE BE DAMNED!! out troops deserve better than to be treated as simple pawns by a man who so far has bored us senseless with his military record, and why is it that even the votes that our troops cast in the elections never seem to be counted on time? well it's very simple you see. the neos can always use these votes as their hole cards if the election gets tight. nothing more than mercernary pawns- that is what our men and women in uniform have become. next stop for obama-walter reed. and why not, he can prove he is the true leader of men now while johnny boy whines in another corner. always the hypocrite, johnny needs to temper his stubborness and anger and get in the game lest his lack of pragmatic participation loses the election of himself by default. 235,000 germans versus a braut? where is mcbushes answer for all of this? is he capable?

Posted by: lonewolf | July 25, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

vegasgirl:

I doubt the Army is hurting for many 76-year-olds (I served my time during the Korean War, hon ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

When we invade Iran ; )

Posted by: JakeD


Right, Jake -- now put your money where your mouth is and please go enlist.
And to Sic Semper Tyranus: No, YOU are a douchebag. Grow up, and get a life.
The sad fact is the McCain camp is green with envy that Obama's trip is basically a success, and all it can do is sputter with the same "admit the surge worked" spiel.
How boring, how patheti -- how typical.

Posted by: vegasgirl | July 25, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone really surprised that Bush and his stooges have continued to abuse their power by doing this!?

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No at all!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Norm:

I do not know what you mean by I do not know about the Partisan stuff. You chose to write a post that imitates the McCain campaign's position which is on the day that they wish to spread this bias and then you claim to be an independent. I reply to you what Obama said and you tell me that I am making a supposition. I admit to my bias and you do not. Had you said you were a McCain supporter I would feel that you are giving an honest opinion. Since you did not criticize McCain and did criticize Obama and did not condemn McCain's indifference on the veterans bill I have to conclude you are attempting to deceive the readers of this blog and that is contemptible.

You snide remark about his being organized comes from the fact that you made a complimentary remark about Obama and felt compelled to devalue him by calling it a traveling show. Norm that tells me you are the usually Republican troll that blogs here, that hides their identity and gives BS. You may well be the person blogging as Juan who tried the same trick as you hiding his identity. Better come back with a new name next time because you have been discovered again.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 25, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama's campaign wanted the full entourage w/media, the Pentagon reminded the Tour Manager that it is a hospital afterall and only the Senator and congressional staff were allowed (not campaign staff and media) so the Tour Manager pulled the plug.

Obama is a douchebag, end of story.

Posted by: Sic Semper Tyrannus | July 25, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

When we invade Iran ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

So, When will McCain be visiting the troops he is so concerned about on the Iraq/Pakistan border?!?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

goldie:

McCain authored an alternative GI Bill that gave more benefits the longer you stayed in the military, but did not support Webb's GI Bill because it would have driven down retention rates. That's the only reason Webb / Obama voted for it, as a back-door way of getting troops out of Iraq. It would have weakened the military around the world. Why can't the Democrats GROW BALLS and simply vote to de-fund the war directly? Isn't that what they were sent there to do TWO YEARS ago?!

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

never mind the economy, reading comprehension classes for all Americans should be the next president priority.

The Pentagon did not tell Obama not to come and see the troops. They said that he could come but had to come with no press and limited entourage since anything else would be construed as a campaign stop. The rational person would have said "O.K press, I'm going to be unavailable for a few hours, I 'm going to see the troops." But upon hearing that he could not bring press and the 300 people who are advising him, he said no deal and did not go. Crazy people may pin blame on the Pentagon for reminding Obama of protocols, but sane people know that all Obama had to do is follow them.

Posted by: coolrepublica | July 25, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain is the one who does not support Veterans benefits. So who doesn't support the troops? McCain.

Posted by: goldie | July 25, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

So I guess McCain would use visiting the wounded troops as a political backdrop during a campaign tour? He just criticizes anything Obama does even if the Pentagon said he must change his plans. I think Obama's Senate staff was in Washington. Not so easy to pull them over to Germany just so he can visit the troops. McCain would go anyway I suppose with his campaign staff? McCain just doesn't know what he is saying anymore. He is just mouthing off... that angry temper of his has got the best of him. I don't want that man in the White House. McCain doesn't have a Presidential presence.

Posted by: goldie | July 25, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

So the Pentagon calls and says 'you're campaigning and can't come talk to the troops' and then tells the press 'sure he could have come here'.

Political appointees at the pentagon are 100% POLITICAL

Posted by: JBE | July 25, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Polling Data:
Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread
RCP Average 07/07 - 07/24 -- 46.4 41.6 Obama +4.8
Gallup Tracking 07/22 - 07/24 2695 RV 47 41 Obama +6.0
Rasmussen Tracking 07/22 - 07/24 3000 LV 49 44 Obama +5.0
FOX News 07/22 - 07/23 900 RV 41 40 Obama +1.0
NBC/WSJ 07/18 - 07/21 1003 RV 47 41 Obama +6.0
CBS News/NY Times 07/07 - 07/14 1462 RV 45 39 Obama +6.0
ABC News/Wash Post 07/10 - 07/13 LV 49 46 Obama +3.0
Reuters/Zogby 07/09 - 07/13 1039 LV 47 40 Obama +7.0

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone really surprised that Bush and his stooges have continued to abuse their power by doing this!?

Bush was helping his terrorist buddy "McCain" by not allowing Obama to visit this at the last moment.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

LOL, caliguy55, you keep posting that on every thread -- not realizing that Obama needs a MINIMUM of 270 to win -- "Obama maintains his substantial lead" my *ss!!

Barack HUSSEIN Obama will not be sworn in as President of the United States on January 20, 2009. Get used to it.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Norm
My guess is not a supposition Obama said that he did not want to appear arrogant and that is why he did not go to Landstuhl. The part about McCain attacking him for being arrogant is a projection of mine based on previous complaints of that type from McCain.

But Obama said that his reason for not going was to avoid appearing arrogant and to me with the length of the trip being what it is I think it might give that appearance.

I will continue later.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 25, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

It is simple, all he had to do was to tell the press and the photographers to take an hour off, while he visited the troops without them. He chose to snub the troops in the interest of photo-ops and coverage.

This sort of sums this guy up, he is not Presidential material - not a class guy, no substance.

http://brokengovernment.wordpress.com

Posted by: Ken Moyes | July 25, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, Obama didn't want to take the time since his media buddies couldn't tag along and get all those campaign photo ops. Pretty shallow suit if you ask me.
I hope McCain holds his feet to the fire on this one!!

Posted by: Keith | July 25, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Let's talk about the soldiers, who have been electrocuted in Iraq because of faulty wiring in their quarters installed by a Halliburton subcontractor. Why doesn't the MSM do more reporting on this horrifying story of abuse of power by the Bush/Cheney Administration.

Posted by: caliguy55 | July 25, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"Released: July 24, 2008

Zogby Electoral College Update:

Obama 273, McCain 146, with 119 Votes Too Close to Call

AZ, AR Move Red; FL and SD move from red to purple on the Zogby Electoral College Map at www.zogby.com

UTICA, New York - Four states have changed color on the Zogby Electoral College map at www.zogby.com, as presidential candidates John McCain and Barack Obama battle for the upper hand.

Obama maintains his substantial lead over McCain in the Electoral College race, the latest map shows, as he remains at 273 votes, but McCain loses 14 votes."

This is why McSame is becoming such a pathetic figure. Obama will beat him into the ground come November. And, McSame knows there isn't anything he can do to stop it. McSame's attacks will become even more negative as the election approaches. But, these attacks will only prove that McSame is devoid of any ideas as to how to clean up the mess left by the Bush/Cheney Administration. Obama 08!!!

Posted by: caliguy55 | July 25, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The BUSHCO put obstacles in Obama's way.
Members of the State Department were ordered not to appear at Obama's event in Berlin. The Army command "gives a hint" that an Obama visit to the troops could be construed as "political" and therefore forbidden.
Obama did not visit the troops because the "warning" from the DOD was clear. Visit this base and we will embarrass you by making any excuse to "call your visit political" and therefore forbidden. The DOD warning was a Rovian ploy to catch Obama and put him in a position-Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
As one of the generals recently indicated there are more Democrats in the Army, than the current administration would like to acknowledge. GO OBAMA!! Our country is in trouble. WIN THIS election!!

Posted by: CarmanK | July 25, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The republicans were waiting for a gaffe to exploit, but I think they got so much more with this development. Look for a new commercial about this on youtube soon.

Posted by: Jo | July 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72- I think you meant to post that on another forum. Perhaps you meant to post it on a white-power website?

Posted by: James | July 25, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

: Dianne72 you are showing the ugly part of the US with remarks you wrote on July 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM !

My daughter was born in 77 and my husband and I raised her to embrace all races and nationalities. So much so that she didn't know that there were people like you still left in our world. I showed her your remark and quite honestly, I have never seen such loath and discust form onto her face. "What and eye opener" she said..."I really didn't know that people still thought like they did in the 60's"...Lessons learned...sadly no not by Dianne, but for my daughter, yes

Posted by: sunrise57 | July 25, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Why does WAPO give the campaign the benefit of a doubt by leading with its version of the story? The correct answer (and no one on the Obama camp denies this) is that the senator was welcome to visit, but would have to have done it without campaign staff and press. The story should have made that much more clear, and the reporter should have pressed the Obama campaign on that point. Poor reporting.

Posted by: Fabio Escobar | July 25, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Cindy "cocaine" McCain would be passing oxycontin to all the female dignitaries. She would THE life of the party. Can't wait to have her in "White" House. It'll be filled with 'snow', you know what i mean

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | July 25, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

hey jeff08
he could have gone, but he could not have made a campaign program out of it.
he could have gone in without cameras and spectators and talked to our brave troops.
he chose to work out and go to paris, where he badmouthed his country.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 4:25 PM
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Haven't you gotten it yet? Obama does not need to take cameras in to visit the troops. The media would have been more than happy to stand at the gates waiting for Obama with a shot of him leaving and a shot of him coming back; all Obama had to have done was smile on his way out and the media would have made a full article of it headlining, "Obama Gave New Life to Troops by Giving Them Hope that the War is Nearing End". The problem you Repukes have with this is Obama has stolen McSame's base--the media, so you think. In actuality, McSame and the rest of you Repukes actually gave the media to Obama with your poor policies over the past 8 years that has this country in a sunk hole.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break! If he doesn't go to the base he is blasted and if he was to go on the base he would have been blasted, that is the reality. For those that are worried their tax dollars are being used for the last leg of his trip..hence, Berlin and beyond, you are wrong UNLESS you are one of his Closet, Republican supporters! This last leg of his trip is paid from his campaign donations!

We all know that John McCain would have made a huge stink about it because Obama's campaign was finacing the trip...Just the appearance alone would have raised questions...

From a little town in rural Missouri, I look forward to Senator Obama becoming the next President of the USA!!

OBAMA 2008!

Posted by: sunrise57 | July 25, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an embarrassment. Once the visit to the troops could not be a campaign photo opp, he cancelled it. He is a slimeball. McCain would have been there for sure.
Posted by: Dan M | July 25, 2008 4:37 PM

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McSame will be there for sure--bets bet you lil lying Repuke azz he's on the next flight there so he can say he went there and Obama didn't. See that's the problem with McSame, he has no strategy, so he's chasing behind Obama to rebuke his, lol...sit down old man, let some fresh young blood at it, lol...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Bitter and Clinging (@12:55 P.M.), loved your parody; it was hilarious! I hope you have other chapters in the making and will post the sequels.

Posted by: Judy Kilgore | July 25, 2008 4:37 PM
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I don't think B&C meant to take credit for it, it's by Gerard Baker in today's Times of London:
http://tinyurl.com/5bgetv

Posted by: Jeff08 | July 25, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

As a German let me assure you that Angela Merkel's refusal to let Obama speak at the Brandenburg Gate had nothing to do with the White House , but represented the opinion of most Germans.
Obama might be a huge cult like figure in your country but to us he is a politician who is looking for opportunities to further his political career .
The Berlin visit was a well staged media event and received as such.
His speech was political rhetoric and did not have any substance.
Sorry , Obama , but Europeans are very astute when it comes to their politics.

Posted by: Halina | July 25, 2008 12:43 PM
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Halina, are you speaking of all 200,000 that showed up, those that stayed home and watched it on T.V., or just you? 200,000 astute Germans--that's larger than any crowd Obama has spoken before her in the U.S. Either you are just not as "astute" as the others or you simply have your facts mixed up. The numbers don't lie, so it must be you. Oh what, know you are going to try and tell us that the folks standing in the crowd were on their way to the market--get real!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Republican cowards continue to spew their lies...who actually wants 4 more years of the Republican Terror Regime!?

(well, of course other than the drugged out Rush Limppaw stooges.)

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an embarrassment. Once the visit to the troops could not be a campaign photo opp, he cancelled it. He is a slimeball. McCain would have been there for sure.

Posted by: Dan M | July 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

This is outragous! Barack Hussein Obama has the time and energy to take his campaign to Europe but won't speak to our wounded troops? Are You freakin' joking? Who is this guy...really?

Posted by: Larry | July 25, 2008 9:33 AM
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Dear Dear Larry; I mean Dear Dear Larry, why is it that I have a feeling that if Barack Husssein Obama missed breakfact it would be "outragous" to you. Get over it, he is who he is...and if you don't understand that, he's "Barack Hussein Obama" to you, LOL...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Bitter and Clinging (@12:55 P.M.), loved your parody; it was hilarious! I hope you have other chapters in the making and will post the sequels.

Posted by: Judy Kilgore | July 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

You people are a disgrace to the USA. You are so ignorant to the facts. McCain sang like a bird before they released him from prison,left his very ill wife for a rich young girl, does not know what country is connected at the borders, he's in the early stages of demenics, and this is the best the Republicans can come up with. Sad,
Sad, Sad.

Posted by: still standing | July 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Ask McCain's first Wife, about McCain's Loyalty....oh and ask his kids too.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Should he not be campaign here is the USA. Last I checked we are the ones that vote. If Senator Obama is just doing it to make his foreign policy work strong its not working. Talking with a bunch of different governments is not the same as creating a policy and then having it succeed. It is kinda like if I wanted to be a lawyer and just started going to court and talking to other lawyers and plaintiffs.

Posted by: Storm | July 25, 2008 8:53
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Hey Storm, you are exactly right...like if you wanted to be a lawyer you should probably spend some time going to court and aligning yourself with other lawyers and yes even some plaintiffs. Oh and from the sound of your blog, it sounds like you are missing Obama here in the States. Not to worry, it's only a week long trip, he'll be back to see you real soon--you know like McSame did when he went to Iraq, Mexico, Afganistan, and the host of other places he's visited outside of the U.S. Didn't know that huh, well I'm not surprised because his trips didn't make any noise--surely he wanted them too, but there's no story there.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

If a Pentagon requirement for a nonpolitical visit is all it took for Obama to opt out of a visit to wounded soldiers at Landstuhl, I don't think any American soldier would want that chickensquat watching their back in the White House!

Ask the Rev. Jeremiah Wright about Obama's loyalty!

Posted by: DaTourist | July 25, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain has no Family Values:

McCain has a reputation as a politician who has difficulty keeping his pants zipped, according to Republican sources. He acknowledges that his adultery broke up his first marriage. His second wife Cindy, the daughter of a wealthy Budweiser beer distributor, was addicted to prescription narcotics and even stole hard drugs from a medical charity that she ran. McCain acknowledges that she didn't want him to run, and only agreed once he promised that she doesn't have to go to New Hampshire or Iowa.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a Founding Member of the Keating Five criminal group:

Back in the old days, defendants in famous trials got numbers -- the Chicago Eight, the Gang of Four, the Dave Clark Five, the Daytona 500. McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.
Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)

Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

When Obama couldn't make a speech in front of thousands at Landstuhl, Obama cut and run for Gay Paree!

Gay Paree, like San Francisco, welcomed Obama with open arms and slobbering kisses!

Will Obama explain to the Gay Parisians why Americans cling to guns and God?

Posted by: DaTourist | July 25, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

hey jeff08
he could have gone, but he could not have made a campaign program out of it.
he could have gone in without cameras and spectators and talked to our brave troops.
he chose to work out and go to paris, where he badmouthed his country.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

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Hell yeah he is campaigning. This whole trip was a campaign gimmick and we tax payers are paying for it. He needs to be investigated NOW!
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LOL...can you start the investigation at the point where McSame challenged Obama to visit the troops in Iraq and Afganistan, lol...you Repuks are pathetic, first you chestize Obama for not going overseas and now you criticize him for going. What is it? Oh I know, you're pissed off because he didn't make any screw ups like McSame ALWAYS does when he's overseas--scratch that...screw ups like McSame ALWAYS makes everytime he opens his mouth. FEAR...FEAR...FEAR, one way or the other the Repukes are all about FEAR!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Would McCain even know where Germany was without Liebearmanpig's help?

We all know McCain is very concerned about the German/Iran, and Checkoslovakia/China boarders.

But what does he plan to do to battle Al-Qubert all the way to Mars!?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama isn't just any ol' chickensquat!

Obama reminds me of a chicken I once saw in a Los Angeles freak show! A chicken with two anuses!

Out of one, Obama lays eggs for his America-hating liberal base!

Out of the other, Obama lays eggs for Democrats who shrink from cutting and running!

Posted by: DaTourist | July 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Could America be in a bigger mess!?

Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November. We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest.

The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role.

The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%.

Inflation is in double digits. Employment is falling.

The Republican economy in the 21st century has been unable to create net new jobs for Americans except for low wage domestic services such as waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and hospital orderlies.

Republican deregulation brought about fraud in mortgage lending and dangerous financial instruments which have collapsed the housing market, leaving a million or more homeowners facing foreclosure. The financial system is in disarray and might collapse from insolvency.

The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world.

The US can no longer finance its wars or its own government and relies on foreign loans to function day to day. To pay for its consumption, the US sells its existing assets--companies, real estate, toll roads, whatever it can offer--to foreigners.

Republicans have run roughshod over the US Constitution, Congress, the courts and civil liberties. Republicans have made it perfectly clear that they believe that our civil liberties make us unsafe--precisely the opposite view of our Founding Fathers. Yet, Republicans regard themselves as the Patriotic Party.

The Republicans have violated the Nuremberg prohibitions against war crimes, and they have violated the Geneva Conventions against torture and abuse of prisoners. Republican disregard for human rights ranks with that of history's great tyrants.

The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state.

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for any of us!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Undoubtedly, in the Obama-manic worldview, anyone who has completed his six year obligation to the Selective Service Board (like me and John McCain) is a "coward," but it's a label that I'll wear more proudly than Obama wears his flag lapel pin!

When you've been spit on by liberals, it's a badge of honor!

Posted by: DaTourist | July 25, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

so little hussein did not visit the troops, what a surprise. if it wasn't a photo op he did not give one hoot about them.
and how much free beer, food, and music did they have to get anyone there? lots and lots.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Here's the diff between McCain and Obama!

Nothing would have stopped McCain from visiting those wounded soldiers in Landstuhl, Germany!

It didn't take much for Obama to find a reason to opt for Paris!

Posted by: DaTourist | July 25, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

To: DaTourist | July 25, 2008 4:07 PM

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You sir are a coward!

Try telling the truth next time, before you call someone else a "chicken".

Shame on you and your terrorists friends!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama (or any other US Senator can visit Landstuhl at any time), but it wasn't worth it to Obama if he couldn't stand up and bloviate in front of a crowd of 200,000.

I wouldn't vote for that chickensquat for President of Haiti!

Posted by: DaTourist | July 25, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain's photo-op trip to Columbia, timed with the hostages release, was a massive political stunt.

Being asked not to do something, because it might be seen as a political stunt, then not doing it, is the right thing to do.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Haw! Haw! Haw!

I betcha Obama sported a flag lapel pin big as Texas on his chest as he piously backed out of visiting wounded troops at Landstuhl!

Posted by: DaTourist | July 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Jeff08
Did you even read the initial article which spells out that campaign/political events CANNOT be held on military bases ? THAT'S why he couldn't go.

Posted by: jmsbh | July 25, 2008 3:37 PM
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For the hundredth time, he could have gone, he just couldn't have a campaign event there with his photogs and handlers. You really think they would have stopped a US senator from visiting wounded troops?

Posted by: Jeff08 | July 25, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

" I knew Abraham Lincoln. I voted for Abraham Lincolon. Obama is no Lincoln." (John McCain).

Vote for McCain: he is fought in every where the US has been in, including the war of 1812.

McCain '08

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | July 25, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Post it again, JakeD, along with your phone number for all the nice loonies here. And even if you are that person, that would be merely the exception that proves the rule. Hardly a canard, therefore. The only people who's "suspicions are confirmed" are the paranoid right wing nut case anonymous posters who are spreading those suspicions in the first place.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 3:07 PM

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Whoever you are, I'm the one who wrote the "suspicions confirmed" line, and I'm the one you called a paranoid right wing nut case, not JakeD.

Posted by: Jeff08 | July 25, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Dementia has set in for John McCain. His scurrilous attacks on Obama was shameful. A President McCain will mean WWW III. Because the only McCain knows is war.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | July 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Ever wondered how it was that the Nazis were able to manipulate a learned citizenry to support a regime that would destroy the nation? Just listen to John McCain and the Republican Party. It's called "prop;aganda".

Posted by: James Allen | July 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Yo, Kennedy's daughter's name is Caroline. If she recalls more than a passing memory of her father, it would amaze most people. However, I was in high school when JFK was elected and she lived with the man. We loved him. Tragic and senseless loss. I disagree with BHO on just about everything the fawning press writes about him and certainly do not wish him to be the president. Nor, do I wish him a tragic end. He did not visit troops in the hospital because of the size of his entourage. He could have gone there by his lonesome. He didn't, the press will push the story. It ends as they continue to move him towards coronation. I hope it dooes not happen and I certainly will do all in my power to prevent it. BUT---At the end of the election process we are all Americans...stand behind the person who wins. Of course that will be President McCain!

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:53 PM
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Of course he's not idiot and neither are you...you may thnik you knew JFK, and you may even have voted for JFK, but are not from his sperm, and his sperm...his daughter Cathleen disagrees with you; in fact she is on record as saying that Barack Obama is the closest thing that she's seen to her "Father" in the political world. So there, go argue with her about that!!!

Posted by: DJ | July 25, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Well i can tell our country will still be in serious peril regardless who is elected. Those on this blog that focus on Obama's name or the fact he didnt meet the troops which no media outlet has reported saddens me. We face real challenges people and they were created by your hero Dubya. We need to be a strong country and elect who we think will do what is right for America, and not their buddies like Dubya did. Pull your heads out and lets get this country together. Other wise nothing will change and we will be a bigger laughing stock to the world than we are right now...

Posted by: American First | July 25, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree that it would be wrong to use our military for a political stunt.

Do you think that would include a landing on an aircraft carrier? Did you folks going over the top about Sen. Obama complain then, or were those crickets I heard?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Jeff08
Did you even read the initial article which spells out that campaign/political events CANNOT be held on military bases ? THAT'S why he couldn't go.

Posted by: jmsbh | July 25, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Person who posted at 03:31. The Dems are corrupt? Where have you been living the last 8 years? Maybe you arent smart enough to vote, since you cant tell right from wrong..

Posted by: American First | July 25, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"JakeD, everyone here is an anonymous poster. Or did they take your ID at the door?
Glad you didn't feel up to arguing the paranoid right wing nut case qualification. That one's too obvious to really challenge, isn't it?
Posted by: | July 25, 2008 3:00 PM "

Well, some of us consistently identify ourselves. Granted on these blogs it is possible to inadvertently post "anonymously" but then there are those who never ID.
(All you cognoscenti can now write me and grouse about the following line)

N6FXB for ID.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | July 25, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

no photo ops for obama, no visit to the troops.
freaking pig

Posted by: tina | July 25, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Gator-Ron 1:02pm:

I'm not disputing the preparation into this trip. As for foresight, one mistake in that monstrous machine and we'll have disaster. Might I point out both of the nations intelligence agencies with untold amounts of personnel and resources made a mistake. One which led both the congress and the president to believe we needed to go to war with Iraq. A good machine is not good enough. Obama is missing experience, makes plans before actually seeing the conditions himself. That's a rookie mistake and there is too much riding on the Commander in Cheif for there to be rookie mistakes.

I'm not sure of ... Partisan stuff you speak of, but Obama is organized, he's almost being run like a traveling show.

The problem with your supposition regarding Obama's decision not to go is it is a guess Just like mine. The fact I pointed out though is the Senator could have gone to the hospital anyway as a Senator. He would have had to leave all of his "organization" behind and go in with any congressional staff he might have with him. Just him and the wounded. He CHOSE not to. I only ask why? If he really wanted to visit the wounded he would have right? But if he wanted only the photo op and the giant organized show he has with him ... see? My only point was now his intentions are questionable and the action Obama decided to take seem pointed toward the direction that he only wanted to use the visit for his grand show and tour of europe. Problem is the Pentagon has rules regarding exploiting our wounded. So again the question is WHY? Why did Obama cancel.

Neither you or I know for sure, we only know what was stated. Because the Senator could have gone without his "organization", again just him and our wounded, and chose not too. That seems to cast suspicion on his motivation for visiting in the first place. If it was truly important to visit our wounded he would have. (which is why McCain said what he did, it was well within the power of a U.S. Senator to visit our wounded at a U.S. Military installation.) But he didn't. WHY? What is wrong with stepping away from his "organization" and going in without the photo op, even if it is part of a campaign trip, to visit our wounded? Would McCain have found something to jump on him for? Probably, it is an election and these are politicians we are talking about. What my point is the action Obama took makes him look/appear/seem like he only wanted to visit for the photo op.

Nothing partisan, just an observation. I don't like either candidate, but Obama and his "change" I have seen neither substance or truth to that claim. Both candidates are flopping worse than a fish out of water. But Obama for all his change talk hasn't proposed anything that points to change other than "ending" a war that we need to "win". I can't support someone who is simply wanting to end the war. My friends and I have sacrificed too much to just have it end. We want to win, we are winning, and nothing Obama has said has pointed toward any type of victory, just an end.

Huh-ah:

Check your history, the U.S. congress of 1981 was democrat majority and they passed the initial Ban on offshore exploration. Which is why all of our information is more than 25 yrs old. Oil companies haven't been allowed to even explore let along drill off our coast since 1981. Yes Congress renewed that as did several presidents, Clinton, Bush I, but it started in 1981. The republicans in office now are responsible for a mess, I agree, it's why I left the party. They have behaved just like the democrat party. Since I can't tell the difference between them I left the republican party. This situation in our government is why we need term limits on the legislature, even the supreme court, term limits.

Posted by: Norm | July 25, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The democrats can not win this GE with Obama as their candidate. He ismuch to weak. We have not even had the Denver Convention. Senator Clinton still could be the nominee . Yet Obama is out there spending tax payers money to try to make him look good.The DNC is so crooked and i blame Pelosi,Dean,Reid,Brazil and Clyburn along with a couple more. As a die hard Democrat i will never vote for the weakest canidate who was selected and not elected.The DNC have become a big joke and a disgrace to our Country.The Airplane with out the American flag on it but Obamas Loge and all the rest of the Obama junk makes us look like a falling Country.SHAME ON YOU DNC

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

It appears that DLI now teaches Newspeak to senior commanders.

The DOD welcomes vists by Congressional parties...but Political campaign visits are verboten.

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Translation, the Army would have loved to have Barack visit, for lots of reasons, but got told don't let him by higher ups. So we wanted him to come, and don't let the fact that we couldn't let him confuse the issue.

Republican openness. The Sphinx has a more open mind than that.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | July 25, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 79wixx7lvx | July 25, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

hj,

I'm from Peoria and Obama plays pretty well here.

Posted by: cubbyblue7 | July 25, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

sorry I did not proof read,it was supposed to say ...political winds change...

Posted by: stopinsultingthepeople | July 25, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama should have visited the wounded troops.This whole tour has been a joke.We the people would also like to see a real Birth certificate on this so called candidate not a fake one. Also what true American would pain the airplane as the DNC did by taking off the American flag and covering it with Obamas Logo. Give me a Break

Posted by: sandipuma | July 25, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The fact is, Obama, heads we win, tails you lose. Only a war hero like McCain can visit the troops, with you its a stunt.

Posted by: Gary Ruppert | July 25, 2008 8:49 AM

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Obviously you haven't been following the story over the past week...McSame is all over the place with his criticism...first he's complaining about Obama visiting the troops and now he's complaining about him not visiting them. LOL...the Repukes are all wrapped up in that FEAR that they've been spurring over the past 8 years, LOL..hey did you guys hear about McSame's visit to a German restaurant to get press coverage while Barack was speaking in Germany, LOL...sad, truly sad...just like he campaigned in a grocery store to match Obama's coverage having lunch with the troops in Iraq, LOL...Oh, yeah and his attepmt at swipping Obama by saying he'd love to give a speech in Germany but as President and not as a candidate, LOL..McSame giving a speech in front of a world audience is laughable--his first slip up would be greeting the crowd in Germany (I mean the 12 people who stopped by to watch) as his friends in France, lol...the little beaded eyed mouse needs to just go away...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama went to Afghanistan and passed up 2 opportunities to talk to the trooops and he walked away boyh times while they were in line to greet him. He only visited the ones in the big top playgroud and had a picture taken while playing basketball. If he really cared he would have made a POINT to at least wave to them and appear aware of them.
I guess now we will see him shaking their hands with a flag pen on,but, he will not say the pledge of Allegiance because he does not pledge allegance to this country. He has said as much when he said if the political winds chance he will SUPPORT ISLAM. well duh!

Posted by: stopinsultingthepeople | July 25, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Drilling will never start regardless. No oil com[any is spending billions so you can save a few cents on a gallon of gas. They just had record profits, why would they change one thing they are doing? Why would they want to drive the price down? It aint happening, it is a red herring by the republicans aimed at the uneducated and most desperate of our people and that is the sad part. I am afraid the democrats are telling you a truth you don't want to hear and the other side is more then glad to bullsh&t you to make you happy.
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WHAT ARE THE DEMOCRATS AFFRAID OF. They won't even allow a vote to come the floor on oil drilling. Are they affraid it will pass and drilling will start soon. How will George Sooros and his moveon.stupid bunch of idiots react to that.
GOD forbid the democrats ever take over all of Washington. First it will be Socialism, than Conmmunisum. Congress has a 9% approval rating. (Run by the ''DEMS'') and they still, will not listen to the American people.
VOTE ALL THE DUNMMYCRATS OUT IN NOVEMBER AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
''VOTE REPUBLICAN'' YA,YA,YA
Posted by: Robert Fial | July 25, 2008 3:06 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

It's quite obvious that people on both sides will be interpreting what is really a non-event (we're talking about what didn't happen) to suit their own particular purposes. McCain supporters denounce Obama for "insulting" the troops by "refusing" to visit them, while Obama supporters see this as evidence of a cynical Bush administration attempt to trap him into some no-win situation. Maybe the "truth" will out, but I am certain that it will be subject to the most cynical abuse by partisans from both sides. For God's sake, people, stop using our military personnel as pawns for ANY political agenda!

What really concerns me is the notion that to oppose administration policy in Iraq is to be anti-military. I live in (very patriotic) West Virginia, where there are "Support the Troops" signs on many, many lawns. An appropriate expression, in my view. I support the troops, but I don't support failed foreign and military policies. And I am adamantly opposed to the suggestion that my disagreement with current policy means that I am anti-military. I am glad that President Bush personally gave a Purple Heart to a local young man (and the son of my friends) who was greviously wounded in Iraq, but I fault Bush for the decision that resulted in that soldier's being there in the first place (and, for the record, having close friends die in the attack that wounded him).

Folks, it isn't being "anti-military" to want to give the armed forces the caliber of CIVILIAN leadership they deserve but have been lacking during the current administration. And while I would not fail to acknowledge McCain's heroism as a POW, I cannot understand how it is rational to assert that that particular experience qualifies him to be president (the rest of his military experience seems to have been unexceptional) or to insist that my saying so makes me unpatriotic or anti-military.

To assert that Obama and the Democrats "hate the military" is as foolish as it is to say that all military folks are jack-booted fascists who can't wait to destroy civilian control of our society. I think it's patriotic and ultimately PRO-military to insist that the we use the military wisely and judiciously. Would that that had been done by Bush and the neocons!

Posted by: old white male democrat in WV | July 25, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Post it again, JakeD, along with your phone number for all the nice loonies here. And even if you are that person, that would be merely the exception that proves the rule. Hardly a canard, therefore. The only people who's "suspicions are confirmed" are the paranoid right wing nut case anonymous posters who are spreading those suspicions in the first place.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

WHAT ARE THE DEMOCRATS AFFRAID OF. They won't even allow a vote to come the floor on oil drilling. Are they affraid it will pass and drilling will start soon. How will George Sooros and his moveon.stupid bunch of idiots react to that.
GOD forbid the democrats ever take over all of Washington. First it will be Socialism, than Conmmunisum. Congress has a 9% approval rating. (Run by the ''DEMS'') and they still, will not listen to the American people.
VOTE ALL THE DUNMMYCRATS OUT IN NOVEMBER AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
''VOTE REPUBLICAN'' YA,YA,YA

Posted by: Robert Fial | July 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Of course it is a campaign event, so? Everything he does between now and November is view through the prism of a campaign. Every word, every movement, every place he goes, what his wife says or kids say, everything. What is your point? He could say I am going to dinner and what he orders is news.
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Anonymous:

"This is not a campaign event."

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/23/not-a-campaign-event-another-flip-flop/

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:59 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

You people are the reason nothing ever gets done in this country. America will fail if all of the people posting these comments are even a small depiction of the demographics in this country.

The intelligence of this crowd is embarrassing. No wonder the world has lost its respect for America... It's not just our leaders, America is a reflection of its people. So sad, what could have been.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Bush tried to help McCain because Obama has been getting the kind of reception by troops neither Bush nor McCain can even dream of.

Go to Guardian and check out the smiles on the faces of troops. Don't expect those pics to be shown by our MSM controlled by you know who!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Why would HIS ARROGANCE want to visit wounded US military personnel if there was no chance for a photo op? Also, there wouldn't be any cheering masses to feed his extraordinary ego. So why bother?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Actually, my REAL name is Jake Dort, and I have posted my home address before. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, everyone here is an anonymous poster. Or did they take your ID at the door?

Glad you didn't feel up to arguing the paranoid right wing nut case qualification. That one's too obvious to really challenge, isn't it?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72:

That request might be a bit more difficult since they are headed to London after Paris.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

When did you become of the belief this was not political? Everything is political, who cares.

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By definition, the trip to Germany was political because it was being paid for by the Obama campaign. It was NOT part of the CODEL to Iraq paid for by the government.

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So what? He could have gone anyway, he just couldn't have the photo op. That's why he didn't.

Posted by: Jeff08 | July 25, 2008 2:52 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

drossless:

Please re-count the number of anonymous posts (and don't tell me that your REAL name is Diana Ross?).

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

What are you talking about, there are like the four same people posting. This story has no legs other the the spin that the white house tried to influence and manipulate things on John Mccains behalf. That is the only story whether it is true or not that will survive the news cycle. This is another loser for Mccain handed to him by the white house.

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One look at the number of comments to this article should tell you that you're wrong. This is one more example of Obama confirming people's suspicions. J Wright isn't going away, and neither is this.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

By definition, the trip to Germany was political because it was being paid for by the Obama campaign. It was NOT part of the CODEL to Iraq paid for by the government.

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So what? He could have gone anyway, he just couldn't have the photo op. That's why he didn't.

Posted by: Jeff08 | July 25, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"This is one more example of Obama confirming people's suspicions."

By "people," you meant paranoid right-wing nut case anonymous posters, right?

Posted by: drossless | July 25, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

More "Nanny , nanny , boo boo" from McCodger and his cronies.
Do you think for an instant that if Obama had visited the wounded troops, McCodger and his minions would have praised him for doing so? No , they would have accused him of using wounded soldiers as campaign props and lambasted the hell out of him.
By definition, the trip to Germany was political because it was being paid for by the Obama campaign. It was NOT part of the CODEL to Iraq paid for by the government. Are you McCodger minions as befuddled as your "hero"?

Posted by: jmsbh | July 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

This Deliberate Insult and Total Disrespect
by that arrogant egomanic empty suit punk
Barack Hussein Obama of refusing to go visit our wounded soldiers and marines in a
US Military Hospital in Germany,brings to
mind when even WW2 Gen George Patton was
ordered to go publically apologize to the
troops after he slapped a wounded GI in a
Army Hospital,as I see Obama's Insult of
resulting to see these brave wounded soldiers and marines as a similiar insult
that demands a public personal apology from
this little punk play President and play
CinC Barack Hussein Obama here and now,and
it is grave enough to warrant Obama turn
his Ghetto One Jet around and go back to
Germany to do so immediately. Where the
Hell is the outrage and media and Veterans
Groups here on this one? Dump Obama Democrats Right Now! Obama You Disgust Me
Beyond All Words As I Have Friends In Iraq
and Afghanistan,who also have been wounded
you despicable scumbag phony Obama!

Posted by: Sandy5274 | July 25, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

One look at the number of comments to this article should tell you that you're wrong. This is one more example of Obama confirming people's suspicions. J Wright isn't going away, and neither is this.


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Thats because it is a ten second story that will be forgotten tomorrow.
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So the moon bat comments started out blaming McCain, the WH, and the Pentagon for a conspiracy to deny Obama a visit to wounded service personnel.

Now it's slowly dawning on the Obamatrons that that story won't fly. You only have to read the first sentence of Balz's article to understand that Obama's campaign made the decision to scrap the visit. Really, can you imagine the army denying entry to a sitting Senator?

Now the story is that McCain would have zinged Obama anyway even if he had gone, so he didn't, so there. Guess they really outsmarted the McCain team this time.

Posted by: Jeff08 | July 25, 2008 2:35 PM

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 2:41 PM

Posted by: Jeff08 | July 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm only 72, so God willing, I won't be dead before the end of McCain's first term. Regardless, I have grandchildren to think of.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Why do you care? You are like 100 years old and will be dead before the end of the first term regardless who wins.

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Jeff08:

They're almost like cult members. I just hope there are not race riots once Obama loses.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:39 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Thats because it is a ten second story that will be forgotten tomorrow. Had he gone there Mccain would just have made a big issue out of it and run ad's out of it. Very smart choice no matter how you look at it by Obama the kinds of choices I expect them to make. I give them money expecting them to win and don't want them making missteps.. The Obama camp know what they are doing and the floundering Mccain camp as usual are grasping for straws. Another day and another day Mccain is out in the news. The only news Mccain can make is to talk about Obama. What does that tell you?

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So the moon bat comments started out blaming McCain, the WH, and the Pentagon for a conspiracy to deny Obama a visit to wounded service personnel.

Now it's slowly dawning on the Obamatrons that that story won't fly. You only have to read the first sentence of Balz's article to understand that Obama's campaign made the decision to scrap the visit. Really, can you imagine the army denying entry to a sitting Senator?

Now the story is that McCain would have zinged Obama anyway even if he had gone, so he didn't, so there. Guess they really outsmarted the McCain team this time.

Posted by: Jeff08 | July 25, 2008 2:35 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Republican's use the vague concept of "troops" to beat up on anybody that begs to differ from their insane ideology. Most of the crying about the "troops" is being done by those who have never served in the military, have never supported military causes like the VA or VFW, and certainly would never go visit a wounded or sick soldier in the hospital. I know this because I've been there/done that and I know people - some are talkers and some are doers. How do you Republican's who are whining about the troops all the time sleep at night - pills?

Posted by: rocketman | July 25, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Jeff08:

They're almost like cult members. I just hope there are not race riots once Obama loses.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

So the moon bat comments started out blaming McCain, the WH, and the Pentagon for a conspiracy to deny Obama a visit to wounded service personnel.

Now it's slowly dawning on the Obamatrons that that story won't fly. You only have to read the first sentence of Balz's article to understand that Obama's campaign made the decision to scrap the visit. Really, can you imagine the army denying entry to a sitting Senator?

Now the story is that McCain would have zinged Obama anyway even if he had gone, so he didn't, so there. Guess they really outsmarted the McCain team this time.

Posted by: Jeff08 | July 25, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

That's very big of you. I wonder if Michele Obama will be "proud" of President McCain though.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Just think, less than 6 months from now, we'll once again have a President who makes us proud to be American again - both at home and abroad.

Obama '08

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't think our sailors need blowj%bs from a geriatric. They are not that hard up.

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He also said that Cindy McCain recently requested to visit sailors aboard the U.S.N.S. Comfort and was denied.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes, please take ANONYMOUS blog posts with a grain of salt.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

You do know Fox ran a piece yesterday that claimed to be John Mccain campaigning. In the picture there was a 2000 campaign placard and a much younger looking Mccain. They actually are showing 8 year old pictures of Mccain trying to play down his age. We really can no longer believe much of anything we see in the news anymore. You have to be sharp and take everything with a grain of salt.

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Juan 1:26 PM

What is it about the McCain campaign that their bloggers are not honest enough to say what they are, partisan. You presented a well written organized position that is premised on ignorance that a person of your talent could not Possibly have. The argument you made was premised on the fact that Obama's appeal lies with his race. Maybe you in fact have polls to support that the racism you suggest is present but if you do you deprived your readers of that information.

I can only speak as a person who usually votes Democrat and likes Obama because he is a candidate of the middle and generally cares about people who have not gotten a fair shake with the Republicans. He is supported by Doug Kmeic a Republican, consevative jurist rather than supporting McCain because Obama is fair minded and in the center.

There is a natural enthusiasm when you first learn about Obama to be in awe. David Brooks the conservative pundit was similarly affected. That wears off in time. It did with me. If you reference the ad from the Republican party on bias you will see that most of their examples of bias were during the Clinton campaign. It is disingenuous of you to claim the reason for bias is race and that the bias exists today. Obama was making news abroad and that is the only reason for the attention.

Media is a business and has no time for bias. They go with the story. One or two outlets may be biased, Fox as an example but that is a business decision also.

I doubt you will respond because there is no integrity to drive it, but I welcome it.

Posted by: G8tr | July 25, 2008 2:11 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Dadi:

Did you even read the quote, wherein CINDY MCCAIN was denied a troop visit too?

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 2:15 PM:

Who is "Andra"?

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The "W"orst White House had some influence in getting the Pentagon to block Obama's visit... which they would never have done to McSame.

The Pentagon is associated with the Roman word lucifer. The ancient Pythagorean pentagram was drawn with two points up and represented the doctrine of Pentemychos. The pentemychos is in Tartaros, also known as "The Gates of Hell". It is either a deep, gloomy place, a pit or abyss used as a dungeon of torment and suffering that resides within Hades (the entire underworld) with Tartarus being the hellish component. wikipedia.org

Posted by: Dadi | July 25, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to Scott F.:

Calling someone "bat*** crazy" is an ad hominem logical fallacy.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

When Obama was in Iraq it was confirmed by Andra Mitchell that his visits with solders was on the QT and they never got notice of it till it was over. It was done completely privately and that was the same in Landstuhl. There was to be no photo op's or press along. They would not even have been told it was taking place.

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Chief Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell confirmed to Politico that Department of Defense officials cautioned Barack Obama's campaign that his planned visit to wounded American troops in Germany could not be political in nature and that he would be barred from bringing along campaign staff and reporters. He also said that Cindy McCain recently requested to visit sailors aboard the U.S.N.S. Comfort and was denied.

"Sen. Obama is welcome to visit Landstuhl or any military hospital in his official capacity as a United States senator," Morrell said in a brief interview. "But there is a DOD policy which governs campaigning and electioneering at military facilities that would have to be respected if he were to visit. That distinction was relayed and made clear to campaign, and they made a decision on their own based on that guidance."

Morrell, in a subsequent interview, added that military officials told Obama he could only visit the military facility with his Secret Service detail and Senate staff.

"We made it clear to him that campaign staff and press would not be permitted to accompany him," Morrell said of Obama. "We relayed those ground rules. They made a choice based upon the information we relayed to them. It was their choice. We had nothing to do with it."

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:07 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

G8tr:

You are aware that Fox News is the only major media outlet even mentioning the John Edwards sex scandal, right? Talk about bias.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72:

Don't worry (see my post to TERESA). If my prediction is correct, the logical corollary means that Michelle will not be sitting down to tea or hanging any art in the White House either.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Juan 1:26 PM

What is it about the McCain campaign that their bloggers are not honest enough to say what they are, partisan. You presented a well written organized position that is premised on ignorance that a person of your talent could not Possibly have. The argument you made was premised on the fact that Obama's appeal lies with his race. Maybe you in fact have polls to support that the racism you suggest is present but if you do you deprived your readers of that information.

I can only speak as a person who usually votes Democrat and likes Obama because he is a canidate of the middle and generally cares about people who have not gotten a fair shake with the Republicans. He is supported by Doug Kmeic a Republican, consevative jurist rather than supporting McCain because Obama is fair minded and in the center.

There is a natural enthusiasm when you first learn about Obama to be in awe. David Brooks the conservative pundit was similarly affected. That wears off in time. It did with me. If you reference the ad from the Republican party on bias you will see that most of their examples of bias were during the Clinton campaign. It is disingenuous of you to claim the reason for bias is race and that the bias exists today. Obama was making news abroad and that is the only reason for the attention.

Media is a business and has no time for bias. They go with the story. One or two outlets may be biased, Fox as an example but that is a business decision also.

I doubt you will respond because there is no integrity to drive it, but I welcome it.

Posted by: G8tr | July 25, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama could have visited our brave men and women but chose not to because he wouldn't have been able to bring the 'Press' and 'Photographer' with him.

No photo op! No Obama!!

It's that simple.

Posted by: sandi | July 25, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Chief Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell confirmed to Politico that Department of Defense officials cautioned Barack Obama's campaign that his planned visit to wounded American troops in Germany could not be political in nature and that he would be barred from bringing along campaign staff and reporters. He also said that Cindy McCain recently requested to visit sailors aboard the U.S.N.S. Comfort and was denied.

"Sen. Obama is welcome to visit Landstuhl or any military hospital in his official capacity as a United States senator," Morrell said in a brief interview. "But there is a DOD policy which governs campaigning and electioneering at military facilities that would have to be respected if he were to visit. That distinction was relayed and made clear to campaign, and they made a decision on their own based on that guidance."

Morrell, in a subsequent interview, added that military officials told Obama he could only visit the military facility with his Secret Service detail and Senate staff.

"We made it clear to him that campaign staff and press would not be permitted to accompany him," Morrell said of Obama. "We relayed those ground rules. They made a choice based upon the information we relayed to them. It was their choice. We had nothing to do with it."

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Teressa using the caps key is consider bad form in posting. You also need to chill out. You sound bat*** crazy.

Posted by: Scott F. | July 25, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Please people! Do not respond to Dianne72! Ignore her! Ignore that mindless bigot!

Posted by: dcp | July 25, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

A legitimate diagnosis by a licensed mental health professional. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

How surprising.

Posted by: Jack Straw | July 25, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN IS OUT OF HIS MIND
What will it take for you people to realize it?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Shawn:

What happened to politics ceases at our water's edge or "This is not a campaign stop but a non-partisan, fact-finding mission"?

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

M. Stratas:

The Pentagon is claiming that the OBAMA CAMPAIGN canceled the troop visit.

sequoia:

As you know, McCain had his own version of the GI Bill that actually addressed retention rates. Webb's GI Bill was a back-door attempt to deplete our troops in Iraq. Why can't the Democrats simply grow the balls to de-fund the war, straight up?

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse


One of Mccains chief advisors said just a few days ago when questioned about Iran that there was no talking to them and going to war was the only option. That is what you have to look forward to with Mccain. We will be at war within 90 days of him taking office and gas will be over $8.00 a gallon it is a guarantee, They are already saying it and it is coming directly from the Mccain camp. Mccain is out of his mind, all you have to do is meet the man and you will know what I am talking about. I was with him for an hour in Miami with a bunch of other contributers and when he found out we were all veterans he let his guard down. This man is insane, out of his mind, a war monger who defines himself by it. He talks about killing like you would discuss a sports event. He is deranged and can never be allowed to be president. Not one of us came away with different opinion. I was almost shaking after the meeting and I gave to the Obama campaign that very night. I don't care if you hate Obama, then vote for Barr or Nader, but do not vote for this madman.
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Democrats hate the military. It's that simple. BHO and his followers think all the world's problems can be solved by "talking it out". Sometimes war prevents more death. Just look at Germany. BHO probably would have tried to "sit down" with Hitler. He wouldn't have the onions to go to war to stop Hitler.

Posted by: | July 25, 2008 1:43 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain = FEAR
Obama = HOPE
Clinton = FAIL

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

TERESA SCREAMED: "I DON'T LIKE OBAMA TELLING OTHER COUNTRIES THAT AMERICA HAS NOT LIVED UP TO OUR POTENTIAL OR ABOUT OUR TORTURE ISSUES AND HOW WE NEED TO IMPROVE, HE HAS NO RIGHT TO BE SAYING ANY OF THAT CRAP."
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WHY NOT? IT'S TRUE.

But we wouldn't expect the truth to go over well with lunatic fringe Hillary FREAKS.

Posted by: Shawn | July 25, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Terrorists seem to be out today! Did Rush not drop off their daily doses?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

TERESA:

Don't worry (Matthew 6:24-34). Mr. Obama will not be sworn in as President of the United States on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

quote: "Democrats hate the military. It's that simple."
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...meanwhile, in the real world, McCain voted against the GI Bill (then tried to take credit for it), Obama outraised McCain among military servicepeople, was mobbed upon his visits and will win the military vote.

I'll ignore your terrified, hyperbolic, hysterical rantings beyond that except to laugh at you!

Posted by: sequoia | July 25, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Bush did not even want the Foreign Service officers in Berlin to attend the speech of their fellow American. Bush makes the rules; he is vindictive and he thinks he is the only one to be photographed with the whole slew of soldiers behind him. Bush and Cheney are claiming the entire US military as their own Army. Obama is an American but he is with the Opposition Party so Bush in his small-mindedness has decreed that Obama cannot visti the wounded troops. These mean little bosses can spin their decision both ways: 1) Obama can still visit but then 2) Obama is using his visit for his political campaign. It does not matter that Obama does not get photos; the Pentagon will have some photos to show. We know Bush's game; we know Rove's game. Hopefully, this kind of strange regime will end with the defeat of McCain in November.

Posted by: M. Stratas | July 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

i DON'T LIKE OBAMA TELLING OTHER COUNTRIES THAT AMERICA HAS NOT LIVED UP TO OUR POTENTIAL OR ABOUT OUR TORTURE ISSUES AND HOW WE NEED TO IMPROVE, HE HAS NO RIGHT TO BE SAYING ANY OF THAT CRAP. I THINK OBAMA HAS BEEN A LIAR FROM THE BEGINNING AND HE WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY IN 4 YEARS. WHAT PART OF THE KOOLAID DRINKING OBAMA SUPPORTERS DON'T UNDERSTAND, WE TWICE VOTED FOR SOMEONE INEXPERIENCE AND A SO CALLED UNITER(IN OBAMA'S CASE HOPE AND CHANGE) LOOK WHERE IT GOT US. OMG AMERICA WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. I THINK WE SHOULD ALL WRITE IN HILLARY CLINTONS NAME OR NONE OF THE ABOVE. I AM SCARED FOR MY GRANDCHILDREN IF OBAMA IS ELECTED. GOD HELP US

Posted by: TERESA | July 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Quite the contrary, pretty much the whole thing was paid for by the Obama campaign. Only the secret service is paid for by the taxpayer and that would be the same no matter where he is anyway, the trip makes no difference. On the other hand though, Mccains trips to south America. Canada. trips to Iraq HAVE BEEN paid for by the taxpayer. Even Mccains wife's travels are often paid for by tax payers, and have been for years. Mccain even bills the tax payers when he used his wife's plane. Do a little checking before you make accusations but then again what could I expect from a republican sucker taking it up the a$$ from George Bush and now Mccain.

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Hell yeah he is campaigning. This whole trip was a campaign gimmick and we tax payers are paying for it. He needs to be investigated NOW!

Posted by: Adrian | July 25, 2008 1:27 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Norm;

Your post of 11:48 attributes all sorts of motivations to Mr Obama that you have no proof for. That is hardly the post of an independent voter.

Even though I agree with you about hardly any difference between Repubs and Dems, the Dems are slightly better on tax laws because they are not so skewed to the rich. On this housing bill that is going to be passed and on regulation of Fannie and Fredie, they are worse.

However you have a hard time explaining such an angry post as Norm:
Your 11:48 post and not call yourself partisan. I think you are deluding yourself or deceiving us.

I call myself partisan and try to keep my posts civil. I however am not so partisan that I won't admit failings in my candidate when the discussion is honest.

So many Republicans present their campaign's position to coincide with the day of the campaigns release as you did. But that is politics. But I really find it contemptible, for my lack of a better word, when you do the same and claim to be independent.


Posted by: Gator-ron | July 25, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I've got sticky fingers from playing with my bum. And they smell.

Posted by: drossless | July 25, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Democrats hate the military. It's that simple. BHO and his followers think all the world's problems can be solved by "talking it out". Sometimes war prevents more death. Just look at Germany. BHO probably would have tried to "sit down" with Hitler. He wouldn't have the onions to go to war to stop Hitler.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Now I see that the MSM and repubs are making a big deal about Obamas'thesis from Columbia college back in '83. Grabbing for straws out of desperation?
How about McCains war records? Now that would blow open the charade of this so-called "hero".

Posted by: jime | July 25, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

drossless:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama will not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009. Start getting used to it.

Posted by: JakeD | July 25, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

huh -wha? wrote: "..your precious troops"

They are OUR precious troops. Regardless of political leanings, they are the best of ALL of US.

If you don't understand that, there's no way of making you understand that.

Posted by: hey -here! | July 25, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Look, Republicans, we get it. You don't like Obama, so anything he does is reprehensible.

If he doesn't visit the wounded troops, that's bad. If he had visited the troops, that would be bad too.

If he campaigns in the U.S., he's ignorant of foreign conditions. If he goes on a foreign tour, he's just grandstanding and ignoring voters in the U.S.

You are scared silly of him, because you're going to lose in the worst sort of way this fall, and then you'll have to leave your cushy little political appointments and get a real job in the rotten economy you created. We know. Got it. You couldn't make it clearer. We can hear your knees knocking from a mile away.

Posted by: drossless | July 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Bush and Cheney and the repugs own the troops. Very sad. Talk about politics, the military is used by the repugs as their soundtrack.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | July 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Rob,

When was the last time the deficit declined significantly?

It's amazing how Republicans can have 6 years controlling all branches of the government and another two years of veto power, yet they aren't at fault for the Medicare expansion they passed without paying for, the decline in the dollar, the vastly increased deficit, 9/11, our energy policy, or anything else whatsoever.

No, it's those Democrats in the 1960s and 1970s!

Give me a break. That's too lame to be even worth the time to refute.

Posted by: drossless | July 25, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Hell yeah he is campaigning. This whole trip was a campaign gimmick and we tax payers are paying for it. He needs to be investigated NOW!

Posted by: Adrian | July 25, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I am a lifelong Democrat who is severely disillusioned by the media coverage of the election. I worked as a reporter for several years, and I know that most journalists are white, college educated, urban, and upper middle class.
Most feel some guilt about their privileged upbringing, and want to show they are not racists or bigots.
They are emotionally invested in supporting a black person.
The bias they bring to this election is sad.
We have entered an era where appearance is all important for candidates, and Obama is the ultimate beneficiary.
Barack has gamed the system, playing his race card to get ahead. Many blacks have learned how to do this, because many whites have pushed it upon them.
Obama is half-white, but identifies himself as "black."
Because it is convenient.
The Presidency should not be an affirmative action position.
I notice that the bulk of comments supportive of Obama harp on his appearance and style, and criticize McCain's age and appearance.
If you need a pretty saviour, watch a movie. Your beauty worship, and race guilt, is lowering the standards of the presidency.
The constant racism charges are divisive. Especially when it is the lion accusing the lamb..

Posted by: juan | July 25, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's McCains new web site - Lot's of good info here - not tainted by media bias.
http://www.mccanes.com/

Posted by: Magnolia | July 25, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Psst - Miss Manners, I believe that MO also passes gas! Can you believe that they would let a nigra that chews like that in our WHITE HOUSE. What is the world coming to when it takes dumb crackers like us to point out to the world the important issues like this!

Posted by: huh -wha? | July 25, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Well , what it tells you . is that Obama will only do things that keep him in the lime light and give him good photo ops.
This is shameful..!!

Posted by: Tamara , Canada | July 25, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Again for all you true believer Republicans who are righteously outraged by the black traitor Obama's blatant hatred of your precious troops - here's your chance to put your money where your big whining mouths are. Just stop the whining though please! http://www.volunteer.va.gov/

Posted by: huh -wha? | July 25, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Germany loves Michael Jackson too.

Go figure.

Posted by: Mmyeah | July 25, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

BITTER AND CLINGING, you should credit that satirical piece to its author, Gerard Baker of The Times Online.

Posted by: herzliebster | July 25, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72 exposes what most McCain voters feel but are ashamed to say. Thank you Dianne72. At least you're honest. I wish I could say the same for the other McCain supporters.

Posted by: playa | July 25, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS THE BIGGEST DRAW IN GERMANY SINCE DAVID HASSELHOFF!!!

Posted by: Smells Like Artificial Cheese | July 25, 2008 12:44 PM

Says who..?
you must be on the same cloud nine as Obama..,

Posted by: Karl , Germany | July 25, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Norm - are you are actually blaming current $4 a gallon gas prices on the 1981 Democratic majority congress when Ronald Reagan was president? Are you serious? Or do you actually work for some petroleum institute? In which case you'd at least have some credibility for being knowledgeable while spreading misinformation, as opposed to just repeating Republican lies ignorantly. BTW, Pres. Bush I and congress both banned coastal oil drilling in the 1990's as a response to the Exxon Valdez disaster. And another big surprise, Exxon just got off with a slap on the wrist a few weeks ago after almost 20 years of litigation.

Posted by: huh-wha | July 25, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

For all the posters that are saying it's the Pentagon's fault that Obama didn't visit with the wounded troops, here is the OFFICIAL statement from the Pentagon.
"We told him he could visit Landstuhl (Regional Medical Center in western Germany) with his Senate staff, but not with his campaign staff," said Army Lt. Col. Elizabeth Hibner."

So, if he would have just gone and seen them without his media entourage, he was welcome to go.
He didn't as there was no Campaign value to do so.
And yesterday, his campaign blamed the Pentagon and alluded that they were FORBIDDEN to go.
Today, Obama supporters scramble to give up thier integrity and self respect to cover up for Obama based on the campaign's "misspeak". And they have to do it again, tomorrow for something else.
One of these days, his supporters will get tired of covering up for the guy when there's NO defense for the things he says and does, They must be exhausted by now as it's been a daily occurrence since February.
Another lie on a long list of Lies Obama and his campaign have propagated.
Whoops, sorry, I mean "they misspoke, again" That's Obamalandese for LIED!
Next, 'ol Webster will be changing the definition of "misspoke".

Posted by: RoBoTech | July 25, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Dan Balz either got this wrong or slanted it. Politico actually interviewed the military chief and got this out of it:

Morrell, in a subsequent interview, added that military officials told Obama he could only visit the military facility with his Secret Service detail and Senate staff.

"We made it clear to him that campaign staff and press would not be permitted to accompany him," Morrell said of Obama. "We relayed those ground rules. They made a choice based upon the information we relayed to them. It was their choice. We had nothing to do with it."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0708/DoD_spokesman_says_Obama_camp_was_reminded_of_political_rules.html

Posted by: katmandu | July 25, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Playa - read before you post. No one is citing Obama's skin color for not voting for him. People (non-socialists) won't vote for him because he wants universal healthcare, higher capital gains taxes, open boarders, protectionism, etc.

These are real reasons, Playa. You are trying to make this about skin color because you don't know the issues and you yourself are a racist. Educate yourself if you have the courage.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"That said BO should have..gone anyway with the minimum of publicity."

Exactly. But he didn't.

Posted by: Polskamerican | July 25, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Republican's are a case of those who can't do -PREACH! They will use any lie or distortion to knock down an idea or argument, because their won positions are so weak they cannot withstand real debate. The media is totally cowed by charges of "media bias" and therefore are totally biased to the right. For example the "drilling" issue. Why is it so important right now? Because Bush wants to grant billions of $$ of favorable public lands to oil companies before he leaves office. Hurricanes Rita and Katrina spilled millions of gallons of oil - the media is afraid to report these facts. Another famous Republican lie is thhe "do nothing Democratic congress" The 06 elections actually seats new senators in Jan 07. The one vote advantage the democrats has was lost by the Lieberman defection. So when they criticize the Senate they are criticizing a 50/50 Dem, Republican split.Pretty slick, and does the media ever point out this hypocrisy? No, they would get lambasted by the big bad Republican blowhard bullies, like O'Reilly and Limbaugh. What a system!

Posted by: huh -wha? | July 25, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

uh,... anonymous poster with no name... the current issue we are having with gas, oil and dollar value has to do with an energy policy started by a democrat led congress in 1981 who decided to ban oil exploration, halt nuclear power building projects, and in general cease any and all efforts to expand domestic refining. 1981 is when this started not 12 yrs ago when republican congress came into power.

Now having said that the republicans are at fault for being just as socialistic as the democrats which is why I left the party. There is little difference between the republicans and democrats these days other than the color of their team jersey.

However, understand in an economy as big as ours some decisions can take a few decades before their greatest impact is felt. We are experiencing this now with oil. For nearly 30 years we have not allowed our oil companies to explore (not just drill but even explore) the oil off our coast lines. The data you keep hearing quoted for how much oil we have is over 25 yrs old. With today's technological capabilities we may be sitting on a motherlode of oil that was not detectable nearly 3 decades ago. For the same time we were not allowed to drill or increase our oil intake. We haven't been able to build a new refinery for more than 30 years, 1975 I think was when the last actual new refinery was built. So our refining capacity is tapped out, it took 30 yrs but now we are reaping the benefits of that decision by a democrat congress in 1981. So before you go on your "hate all republicans" rant check your facts and history.

Disgruntled independent.

Posted by: Norm | July 25, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

To Young americans Black Intellegent.
You had best check your facts on Medicare Medicaid and social securty increases. The social security is actually running on empty thanks to a bunch of Dems like former House Speaker Jim Write it is now full of I O U s because the Dem controlled congress of the 60's 70's an part of the 80's and for the last 3 years have spent and spent andspent and used ss money for the gereral fund and put little I O U papers to make the accounting balance. Medicaid is a state funded Item and you would have to check into each states legistlatures to see and what they do.
Medicare you are right the prscription drug thing. But this was not something that we conservatives wanted and we would like for it to be repealed. But your guy Oback Obama wants to increase government programs by over a trillion dollars, explain that.
I will agree that there is too much corporate help but some of it is necessary to keep companies from taking plants out of the country thus causing job loses here. What woul you recommend?

Posted by: Rob | July 25, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Norm 11:48AM

Obama requires of himself and his staff a level of preparation that is extraordinary. I believe that Obama's success in his foreign trip lies with the fact that he prepares thoroughly for everything. In the area of foreign policy Obama has not spent the years in it that Mr McCain has. Had he not prepared by consulting with his 300 advisers who he has organized through his understanding of technology into a foreign policy powerhouse,he would not have recognized that Afghanistan needed more troops at least 10 months before McCain. McCain is not nearly as organized, which I can defend if you wish, and could never have achieved the foresight that Obama has. Sen McCain came to the realization that talks with Iran were needed, however it waslate in the game also. Obama simply out organizes him and therefore can out achieve him. The same will turn out to be true in Iraq, but that I can not prove at this time.

I think your post is simply a partisan way of saying the same thing I did. Mr Obama is more organized than any president has been since 1960. I do not have information on presidents prior to then.

With respect to going to Landstuhl Mr Obama felt that it would look presumptuous to go there, like he is behaving like a president. Whoever gave him that advice knows that the McCain camp would make that claim and twist it into he is arrogant. He instead was humble which the McCain campaign also has cynically interpreted as not caring about the soldiers.

It that regard, I will remind you of the fact that Mr Obama cared enough to stop his campaign to go to Washington and vote for increased benefits for veterans which will probably include a good number of the men at this base. Mr McCain who was against the bill for his reasons but simply did not care enough about the veteran issue to show up to vote and he had already won his nomination.

If your point is that politicians do things for political reasons I agree. But in this case the reason was more likely not wanting to appear arrogant than your convoluted, somewhat jaundiced view.

I would be interested in your response. Please keep the discussion civil.

Posted by: Gator-ron | July 25, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Very shameful, contemptible behavior from Obama, and sure to play really poorly in Peoria. No wonder he is losing ground in swing states.

I'd make this the highlight of Obama's European vacation if I were McCain.

Posted by: hj | July 25, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see McSwain give his spiel outside the sausage house in Ohio? He kept sucking on the bratwurst in his dentures while putting the spin on BO's speech. He would be better served if his communications people did their job...or the WH/Pentagon would inform him that Obama was recommended he not go visit the troops. That said BO should have told them to fo and gone anyway with the minimum of publicity.

Posted by: justaminute | July 25, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

You notice how the republican postings consist mostly of lame, barely literate rants full of stereotypes, innuendo, and a tenuous grasp of history? Take Claudine 1000 for example . . .

Posted by: drossless | July 25, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

So, some Commander in Chief and President
that phony empty suit Barack Hussein Obama
would make,when the gutless wonder liberal
loser,anti-military creep doesnot even have
the decency and respect for our brave US
wounded military members,hospitalized in
a US Military Hospital in Germany with very
serious wounds,and that creep egomanic
Obama refuses to go visit them,since he
would not get to do a photo op in the US
Military Hospital,but could go act like a
certain deceased Nazi dictator,name of
Adolf Hitler speaking to 200,000 Germans,
instead. Well Obama and you Democrat Obama
worshipper cultists,so I got news for you
even Adolf Hitler found time to go visit
his wounded German soldiers during WW2 but
not His Majesty King Barack Hussein Obama
and that makes Obama a total disgrace to
our US Military by such open comtempt and
total disrespect for our own wounded and it
proves once again what a Chicago lowlife
scumbag Barack Obama really is. And you bet
Iam damn mad about this as an Air Force
Sargeant Friend of ours almost lost his legs from being hit by an RPG in Iraq and
couldnot even get moved to Germany for
better surgery then in Iraq or Kuwiat! So
No Way In Hell Will I Vote For Obama!

Posted by: Claudine 1000 | July 25, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian Desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.
The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.
When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organization with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: "Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?"
In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites.
And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first time - to bring the light unto all the world.
He traveled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the
And the Child spoke and the tribes of NATO immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more.
From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it.
And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child's very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light.
From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered "Hosanna" and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet.
In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace.
And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child's journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.
The Great Prophet Al gore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.
And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again.
Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.
And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.
Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length.
And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.
Thence he traveled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.
On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One.
And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: "Yes, We Can."

Posted by: BITTER AND CLINGING | July 25, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Racists americans will never vote for Obama, but these crooks can't tell us the real reason. They say Obama is not patriotic (because he looks different?), Obama is a moslem (somehow its acceptable to say you can't vote for a muslim, but not if you're black or jew), he can't be trusted. All these are lies. The ONLY reason these people are not votingh for Obama is his skin color. C'mon, stop playing games and tell us the truth. We know why you're not voting for Obama. Unfortunately Obama cannot win because most of America is racist.

Posted by: playa | July 25, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"On average, 38% of the EU can speak enough English to have a conversation."

given Britian is a member of the EU, that figure sucks

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is socialist and so are you" Let's look at facts. Socialism is gov't control of institutions and public services. So when the Republicans use taxpayer dollars to bail out huge banking corporations that made bad business decisions it's socialism. So Bush is a socialist, except when those banks made a lot of money and the executives get millions in bonuses, then he's a Capitalist. Same with the ethanol boondoogle - giveaway to Agribusiness. Has the billions spent done anything for the middle class? Same with Iraq war - Gov't welfare to the defense industry. We're good at making missles, but you need a war in order to use that product. The list goes on and on - Republican's are HYPOCRITES. I'd rather see the teachers and labor union lobbyists bribing our gov't oifficials- at least we get some return on our tax dollars. Republican's want it ALL.

Posted by: huh -wha? | July 25, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama has proved beyond doubt in Israel that he has no love, affection or liking towards the oppressed people, whose human rights and human values have been snatched by the war criminals, mass murderers and barbarous goons who are ruling Israel. Obama can speak in Berlin or Perris or London any sweet talks, his deeds and company with the Zionist goons has shown his timid and slavery to his Zionist Masters.
He will not be different than Colin Powell who has been used by his Masters to carry out all dirty works. Obama may just do that. He may crumbled Iran and Palestine and even Syria in obeying his Masters voice.
We more than 250 Muslims have decided to ask Obama to refund our donation and be happy with his Zionist friends. We will not vote for him.

Posted by: john baguta | July 25, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama dumped the troop visit hours after he was informed that no press would be allowed to accompany him.

what a disgusting pig

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama's a putz.

Posted by: Italian Sausage | July 25, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"Keep trying to buy votes" says the party that bought off seniors (and more importantly, insurance companies) with the Medicare drug benefit. Hypocrite.

And you won't even pay for it out of revenues; you charge it to non-voting future generations. A real paragon of economic virtue, you are.

Who is a Republican to criticize anyone on economics, given the state of our economy over the last eight years? Hmm? Is this a case of "those that can't do, teach?"

Admit it: if Obama did go to visit the wounded soldiers in Germany, you all would accuse him of pandering and politicizing them. Because what you hate is losing political power, and that is the extent of your morals.

Posted by: drossless | July 25, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

We should have stuck with Hillary! If Obama is elected it will be a disaster. She was so much more qualified. We all fell for it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

You WcCain people are just jealous that WcCain spent the day eating sausage with 10 people.

He was gonna spend the day on an oil rig until an oil spill and storm in the gulf cancelled that moronic idea.

He is now bumping up his one "gaffe a day" average to two "gaffes a day".

He's running the worst campaign in history...you know it. I know it. WcCain probably knows it.

All you've got left are the talking points Rush Limbaugh tells you to use, which are weak, baseless and ultimately make you look like what you are.....desparate, sour grapes losers.

You can't tout your own candidate so you bash Obama every chance you get.

What's missing from 99% of these posts?

Support for WcCain.

Reason why?

You hate your candidate almost as much as you hate losing to Obama.....

Sucks to be you!

Posted by: Sausage anyone? | July 25, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA IS THE BIGGEST DRAW IN GERMANY SINCE DAVID HASSELHOFF!!!

Posted by: Smells Like Artificial Cheese | July 25, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama Could have gone to see the troops . the Pentagon would have let him if he went only with his senate staffers and no campaign staff , plus he wouldn't be aloud to give a speech . This shows that all he wanted was to use our wounded troops as photo ops .

Posted by: Shlomo Freed | July 25, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

As a German let me assure you that Angela Merkel's refusal to let Obama speak at the Brandenburg Gate had nothing to do with the White House , but represented the opinion of most Germans.
Obama might be a huge cult like figure in your country but to us he is a politician who is looking for opportunities to further his political career .
The Berlin visit was a well staged media event and received as such.
His speech was political rhetoric and did not have any substance.
Sorry , Obama , but Europeans are very astute when it comes to their politics.

Posted by: Halina | July 25, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"Obama draws 200,000 in Berlin.

How many of them understood English?"

On average, 38% of the EU can speak enough English to have a conversation. (Wikipedia cites a 2006 EU report.) One figures that the crowd would likely have a larger than average percentage of English speakers.

Posted by: Jeremy B | July 25, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Playa should be scared if Obama is elected because then it will be harder for him to say blacks are discriminated against. The blame game may be over, "Playa", and you may have to stand on your own. Doesn't that scare you?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Are you simple or something?:

Not to knock you off your linguistic high horse but it's spelled "Scheiße".

Aschloch..

Posted by: Anti-Elitist | July 25, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama couldn't bring his adoring tribe of reporters with him to "visit"the troops, so it was a waste of his time. The Obamedia is doing its full Obamaganda, so it could care less about wounded troops in Germany.

Beware of the anti-media voter in November. They will vote no on Obama as a proxy for voting against the media bias, censorship and propaganda.

Posted by: Karen | July 25, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"Playa - You represent a subset of blacks that perpetually need to blame someone for your miserable life. Get off Uncle Sam's entitlement nipple and do something for yourself."

Exactly; thank you. I need to use subset in my statements since otherwise it sounds like I mean *all which is far from the truth. There have been a lot of wrongs in America's past but a lot of rights and to me the idea of progress is improve or fix the wrongs and learn from the rights. In my opinion in modern times all of us should be glad we are in America regardless of where are nation of origin would be otherwise.

Posted by: Cryos | July 25, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama draws 200,000 in Berlin.

How many of them understood English?

How many were there simply for an event?

Unfortunately, this media circus will gain more importance than it deserves.

He could have visited American soldiers in the hospital but he says he couldn't do this because it might be viewed as a political event.

For God's sake!!! His entire trip is a political event!! At least he could have shown some concern for our wounded guys and gals. However, they speak English and might have posed embarassing questions in an uncontrolled situation.


Posted by: Lynn Garrison | July 25, 2008 12:17 PM

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Are you truly stupid enough to believe that 200,000 people showed up to listen to a speech they couldn't understand?

Have you ever been outside your trailer park? Most people in countries like Germany also understand english. Only dumb Americans don't know a second language.

You gotta be dumber than sheist to think 200,000 people would sit in a crowd to just see an "event". Moron.

Posted by: Are you simple or something? | July 25, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Could America be in a bigger mess!?

Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November. We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest.

The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role.

The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%.

Inflation is in double digits. Employment is falling.

The Republican economy in the 21st century has been unable to create net new jobs for Americans except for low wage domestic services such as waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and hospital orderlies.

Republican deregulation brought about fraud in mortgage lending and dangerous financial instruments which have collapsed the housing market, leaving a million or more homeowners facing foreclosure. The financial system is in disarray and might collapse from insolvency.

The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world.

The US can no longer finance its wars or its own government and relies on foreign loans to function day to day. To pay for its consumption, the US sells its existing assets--companies, real estate, toll roads, whatever it can offer--to foreigners.

Republicans have run roughshod over the US Constitution, Congress, the courts and civil liberties. Republicans have made it perfectly clear that they believe that our civil liberties make us unsafe--precisely the opposite view of our Founding Fathers. Yet, Republicans regard themselves as the Patriotic Party.

The Republicans have violated the Nuremberg prohibitions against war crimes, and they have violated the Geneva Conventions against torture and abuse of prisoners. Republican disregard for human rights ranks with that of history's great tyrants.

The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state.

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for any of us!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

The campaign staffers and media hord weren't allowed in the hospital. Obama certainly was allowed and scheduled to do so.

To cancel this visit speaks volumes.

It speaks louder than any polished speech.

Posted by: Yuri G | July 25, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

""Pentagon Objections"???? There was a very simple way for this not to be considered a campaign event: It was merely requested that Obama not bring campaign staff onto the installation -only congressional staff."

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Wrong. Read the quoted lines from the story:

"He said it is not clear that the Pentagon ever revoked that approval, but earlier this week, Pentagon officials said their interpretation of regulations made it clear that this visit would have to be considered campaign related."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain WISHED Obama visited the troops in Germany.

Why?

So he could say Obama did it for campaign publicity. Isn't McSame trying to have it both ways?

"Hey you kids! Get off my front lawn!"
is how he comes across to me. Oh, and don't forget his pet names for his lovely wife Cindy. Meee-ow!

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | July 25, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Don't try to justify your socialism by claiming republicans are the same. Who wants health care for all (including illegals), drastic redistribution of wealth, baby bonds, and on and on?

BHO is a socialist and so are you. Keep trying to buy votes.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

You know i expect random rumours about both candisates ie: "Obama is an undercover terrorist and macain is dying of cancer and will be worse than bush" from uneducated, uninformed misguided fools with no acess to the internet Television or other forms of media. But to see on an educated blog with college graduates etc arguing in perfect english such dumb opinions truly baffles me. Dont you guys think that insted of the smear campaign being run by Mcain on Obama is proof that he feels that Obama is stronger than him and the only way to get some support is to smear Him. Dont you think that Obama's speech to the world was a liitle ahead of himself. What are these candidates stances on helping the mortgage crisis, healthcare, education in the Urban areas Etc. what are your local congressmen and womens stance..debate these topics!! and stop worrying where Barack Grew up!! if he was really a muslim terrorist dont you think intelligence agencies will have found out by now!!! Grow up People

Posted by: YoungAmericanBlackIntelligent | July 25, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

You Republican posters here aren't really in fit shape to call anyone "socialists" after passing the largest expansion to Medicare in its history during your recent rule.

If you want to cancel Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, well go ahead and run on that. In the meantime, maybe you should have the integrity to admit that you also are socialists, you just disagree with Democrats over the details of who gets what and what's the best way to pay for it.

Posted by: drossless | July 25, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

ob08

EXCUSE me! We do not have a president named Obama! Please stop addressing him as that. We still have a few more weeks to change that decision. No one is entitled to be called that UNLESS he is or has been the President. Get it? If you want an Anti-American being the next dictator of America, guess you don't really care about America?

Posted by: rascal2 | July 25, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama's entire trip was a saccharin, PR, breakfast-cereal commercial for the guy. When he found out he couldn't have a photo op at Ramstein and Landstuhl, he cancelled and went shopping instead. What a tool Obama is!

Posted by: pgr88 | July 25, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama draws 200,000 in Berlin.

How many of them understood English?

How many were there simply for an event?

Unfortunately, this media circus will gain more importance than it deserves.

He could have visited American soldiers in the hospital but he says he couldn't do this because it might be viewed as a political event.

For God's sake!!! His entire trip is a political event!! At least he could have shown some concern for our wounded guys and gals. However, they speak English and might have posed embarassing questions in an uncontrolled situation.

Posted by: Lynn Garrison | July 25, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Look we Conservatives are not going to change the minds of these far left people!
They are bent on having a socialist country because they believe it is the right and moral thing for the government to do. To take care of all the needs of those who are not doing well (define well). They also believe it is wrong for anyone to be prosperous becuse there is no way anyone could get wealthy without hurting those who are not doing well (define well). Let us all ignore wealthy entrepreneurs like Henry Ford or Andrew Carnige and many others or the many wealthy philanthropists who donate millions do build hospitals or schools. Lets forget that they also send millions of dollars to children's relief organizations and to help in disater relief or best of all that they create companies that provide employment so people can prosper and achieve the American Dream. They believe that the American Dream is given by the magnanomous government. They forget that the government produces nothing they can only give if they take. This is called redistibution of wealth..
This country is the best and most benevolent country the world has ever known. The Libs want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg... and eat it!
Oback Obama is unqualified and ignorant of the truth and intellectually bankrupt when it comes to how economics work.

To adress the obove issue I will just print the following:
"We told him he could visit Landstuhl (Regional Medical Center in western Germany) with his Senate staff, but not with his campaign staff," said Army Lt. Col. Elizabeth Hibner.
He chose not to go for political reasons and so he could blame the Bush administration as they always do.

Posted by: Rob | July 25, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Playa - You represent a subset of blacks that perpetually need to blame someone for your miserable life. Get off Uncle Sam's entitlement nipple and do something for yourself.

Obama isn't going to help you, even though he is a brotha. You are a racist and give the rest of us blacks a bad name.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

everyone needs to get a grip:

try to read: the fact that Obama's camp agreed and didn't make a fuss about it in no way changes the fact that he would have visited but for the Pentagon's objection.

CMC: it is arguably inappropriate to use a captive audience at a military base as a backdrop to one candidate's campaign. The Pentagon's objection is perfectly reasonable, and the Obama camp politely accepted the rationale rather than make a fuss about it.

Paul, UK, and THS: the earlier stops in Afghanistan were part of a congressional tour with other members of congress from both parties. makes all the difference.

Larry: you fell for it. Pentagon objects, Obama acquiesces, McCain and the right scream at Obama. no conspiracy with the Pentagon, McCain should be ashamed.

bottom line: not much to see here other than the reason McCain's attack is cheap

Posted by: JoeT | July 25, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Many Americans are dreaming about the good days when they could lynch someone like Obama and/or his dad. They're doing the next best thing which is voting for a jerk like McCain, who is so old that he remembers when they used to lynch people like Obama and his dad in thetown he grew up in.

Posted by: playa | July 25, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Lol playa. Blacks are the most racist group of people in the US. But apparently because racism happened against someone else of their same skin color its ok. There is no "solution" since a "solution" would require blacks to not have an excuse until the end of time for every mistake they make. Sorry but the white guilt factor won't get the empty suit in office this election.

Posted by: Cryos | July 25, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Obama was not barred from a military base, as a senator in the federal government he couldn't have been. His campaign staff on the other hand is a different story. Obama could have chosen to go anyway and visited any wounded soldiers he wanted with any of his official congressional staff he has with him. Without his campaign staff to orchestrate everything though, it may not have had the "glow" of what he's looking for. I don't know, his not visiting when he could have makes no sense if he truly wanted to visit our wounded. Now one must wonder why he wanted to visit? Just for photo op, or for genuine concern. If he was genuinely concerned about our wounded he'd have gone without his campaign staff... now it looks like he wanted to go for publicity.

The pentagon's objection is sound, not the first time this has happened, I'm fairly certain he was under similar restrictions for his afghan and iraq visits where he and his "campaign" staff were only allowed to go to certain areas, this is no different. Obama's decision NOT to go when as a senator he could have is what is questionable now.

Posted by: Norm | July 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

All of you should be ashamed of yourselves... Both Obama and McCain supporters. Childish bantering is the most unproductive, non-deliberative way to discuss politics and expect anyone to respect your opinions. I haven't heard such unknowledgable remarks since I was in grade school.

Get real people. Both candidates are doing what they can to win the Presidency. Calling one an old man ready to die and making outraeous claims that Barack Obama, a man who grew up the majority of his life in Hawaii is somehow a secret Muslim terrorist is neither intelligent nor productive. I would expect this kind of talk about of a group of 10 year olds, not supposed adults.

Get off your high horses and start acting your age.

Posted by: Disgusted | July 25, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

This country is racist ... playa? You are nuts! What about the fact that 99% of blacks are voting for BHO? They aren't basing it on skin color?

Think about it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

1. Does anyone read before they post? At 10:28 Obama was referred to as a "FRAUD and LIAR." Then Jim Stewart posts (twice) at 11:12 that "OBAMA = biggest darn liar in the United State" (sic) and follows it up (twice) at 11:16 asking whether "[the Post is] just posting proObama comments like almost all the media in the U.S." The answer, Jim, is clearly no. If you read your own posts, that is clear.

2. There are so many reasonable points of policy that can be debated. Yes, Obama makes entertaining news (and gets more coverage as a result), but there are so many important policy issues to debate and sadly too many are focussed on an accounting of minutes of coverage for each candidate.

Posted by: mit | July 25, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Obama is the best candidate for POTUS since JFK. But the racists don't care. Unformtunately most of America is racist. Sorry Obama...maybe in a better country, but the racists in this country will never vote for you.

Posted by: playa | July 25, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

How long has it been inappropriate for an US Senator to visit wounded US troops? Is this only limited to Democrats, or are Republicans also banned from visiting them?

Posted by: FLTNVA | July 25, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Just meet him and you would never vote for the guy. The guy is demented. I would say every one of his town hall meetings he loses a 100 voted from the attendees who probably leave there with the same impression I got.
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The more McCain and his cohorts whine, the less inclined I am to give them any real consideration.

Posted by: cmolburg | July 25, 2008 11:31 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"The senator decided out of respect for these servicemen and women that it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign," senior adviser Robert Gibbs said in a statement.

For all of you Administration and Pentagon bashers that keep claiming the Administration/Pentagon barred Obama from visiting Landstuhl try real hard to read the quote above from Obama's campaign staff.

Posted by: trytoread | July 25, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The more McCain and his cohorts whine, the less inclined I am to give them any real consideration.

Posted by: cmolburg | July 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Love to see the Rethuglican reptiles squirm!

Hey, it was your guy, McSame, who taunted Obama into this trip, remember?

And the losers over at Fox News, with their retarded countdown clock.

So Barack called you out on it and now you're p*ssed -- tooooo bad!

Better stock up on that anti-depressant Effexor -- you know, the one you conservatives "borrowed" the slogan for -- "The Change You Deserve!"?

And be sure to get 8 years' worth, too. You're gonna need it!

Time to Barack and Roll!

Posted by: the superclasssux | July 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I have a question for all of you socialist liberals out there:

How much redistribution of income do you want? Half the population pays virtually no taxes while the top 10% pay about 75%. You preech fairness - so what is fair? And now you want that 10% of the population to provide health insurance for everyone else.

On a similar note, how many times have you been hired by a poor person?

If you want socialism, move to Europe. This is still America ... barely.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that Obama can make a campaign speech to Germans (the trip was paid for from Campaign funds and should be considered a campaign trip) but felt it would be inappropriate to campaign wounded americans for their vote? That makes no sense at all. The only legitimate campaign purpose for his leaving the country is to solicit votes of soldiers on overseas duty.

Posted by: CMC | July 25, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

POST SCAMS POLL...........................

The Washington Post is complicit in a big stinking piece of phony propaganda.

This stupid 'Battleground Poll' that supposedly shows Obama losing big points to McCain...

THE POLL STARTED THE DAY AFTER THE NEW YORKER COVER WAS RELEASED!

And it F'ing ended before it could have measured any reaction to Obama's trip!

The cover came out on the 13th the poll went from the 14-22.

Posted by: CS | July 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"The campaign of Obama's GOP rival, Sen. John S. McCain, was quick to criticize the decision. "Barack Obama is wrong," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said. "It is never 'inappropriate' to visit our men and women in the military.""

And if Sen. Obama had made the visit, Sen. McCain would have said "How disgraceful to use our valiant men and women of the military in this obvious campaign way"

Have-it-both-ways-McCain

Give me a break already!

Posted by: AnnapolisMD | July 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Obama making it this far is equivalent to the guy working in the mail room being considered for CEO.

It's insane! I can't believe how brainwashed you people are!

Posted by: Bart | July 25, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

BHO claims to never play the race card, but in every speech he has to mention slavery and his color. Going to prep school and ivy league most have been so oppressive.

BHO and his color-focused followers should be ashamed.

Posted by: Barbara | July 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Justincaseinc,

The religion is called ISLAM, not MUSLIM. If you didn't have your head under a rock you would know he is not a MUSLIM, he is a CHRISTIAN.

Posted by: katy | July 25, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Smart people have learned to doubt everything coming from the Republicans and spin masters like Dick Cheney. Only stupid, brain washed voters would even consider voting Republican in November.

Posted by: Tom in Alabama | July 25, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Why don't all the McCain Bush lovers move to Dubai with your traitor leader Dick Cheney.

Posted by: WmS | July 25, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Several months ago, McCain made a very interesting speech on the U.S./European Alliance and the necessity to expand the Alliance in a world wide strategy to defeat terrorism and expand cooperation. I happened to catch it on C-Span and really enjoyed the speech for its thoughtful content. McCain might not be a speelbinder when it comes to oratory, but when it comes to common sense talk and reasoned arguments, he's a gem. This speech, which was my first "listen to" McCain, received almost no coverage. Why? Because Obama had chosen, at that time, to divert attention from his troublesome pastor with his "major" speech on race that gave the network pundits a series of on air orgasms. Of course, Obama's race speech strategy didn't really work (he had to finally disown his pastor later on), but McCain's speech, which had more important points to make, was largely ignored. Now, many of McCain's points have appeared again ... this time in Obama's speech in Germany, with all the fluff Obama usually musters, but without the depth presented by McCain. As usual, whether it was in the primary debates or in this campaign, Obama waits until someone else comes up with a strategy... then he gets up in front of one of his staged rallies and pretends he's orginal. Now the Germans have fallen for it. But wait, didn't they fall for this before? Wake up, Germany! Wake up, America!

Posted by: Mandelay | July 25, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Are you just posting proObama comments like almost all the media in the U.S. are doing? The press and other media in the U.S. are so bias that one wonders where the reporters got their training: from which communist country....perhaps Moscow. shame on the U.S. media for doing such a loosy job these days. I remember a time when one could trust the news but that day is long gone. You, and esp. The NY Times, are really trying very hard to get Obama elected.

Posted by: Jim Stewart | July 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Are you just posting proObama comments like almost all the media in the U.S. are doing? The press and other media in the U.S. are so bias that one wonders where the reporters got their training: from which communist country....perhaps Moscow. shame on the U.S. media for doing such a loosy job these days. I remember a time when one could trust the news but that day is long gone. You, and esp. The NY Times, are really trying very hard to get Obama elected.

Posted by: Jim Stewart | July 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Blacks are so oppressed that a freshman Senator / "community organizer" can be the front runner for president of the U.S.

Get off the nipple and abolish affirmative action.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA = biggest darn liar in the United State. I could post his lies but don't have enought room on this post. Obama is so arrogant and egotistical that he believes he knows more about wars than the U.S. generals or the Chief of Staff. Hitler made that mistake, believing he knew more than his generals (and he had some excellent military generals) and overruled them and did it his way, just like Obama would do. You know who lost the that war, thanks be to God. He is such a pompous a-- that he is making plans to already move into the White House, has his own 'presidential seal', has said how he'd redecorate the Lincoln Bedroom....will someone please tell him this is not Africa, it is America where we will have an election for president in November. He would ruin this country if he were to win. W. Europe is now having all sorts of major problems with the Muslims they let into their countries in the '80s; these Muslims have multiplied so much while the native European has not. These offsprings of Muslims are now European citizens and carry European passports, some are Islamic terrorist who have trained in al qaeda camps. Since most all are not yet on our terrorist list, how will we keep them out of the U.S.? As quoted from a very high British official "Londonistan is a breeding groups, a spiritual mecca and safe haven for Islamic terrorists". London has the worse Islamic terrorist; France has 1700 mosques and Islam is their 2nd largest religion, Holland, Sprain, etc. have Islamic terrorist. W.Europe will made a majority population of Muslims by the end of the century predicts retired NATA high officials and many professors of political science.

The crowd in Germany stood once upon a time in the same place, spellbound by another arrogant know-it-all man; this was about 70 some yrs. ago. Will history repeat itself?

Posted by: Jim Stewart | July 25, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I am afraid the alternative is a 72 year old half demented, deranged, war mongering lunatic. Except for the mentally Infirm, not to tough of a choice, wouldn't you say?

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It is unbelievable that the average AMERICAN can fall for this 3 ring circus ,BARACK HUSEIN Obama ,the man is a parttime ward senator for the city of chicago. His formative years in Indonesia is another grave concern, most of that country's religion ' Muslim ' and the overwhelming 'CORRUPTION ,that exist there , very likely affects Barack thinking and behavior, His demeanor is very much the same as some of INDONESIA'S previous DICTATORS. We cannot afford to vote for any candidate with the best speech writers, there must be substance to back up all the HOLLOW promises. And who is going to pay the bill "YOU and ME" NO THANKS

Posted by: justincaseinc@sbcglobal.net | July 25, 2008 10:54 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I love everyone jumping on the Obama bandwagon based solely on the propoganda that the Obama campaign puts out. A recent poll in Germany shows that many Germans while they love Obama, view him as being closely related to Adolf Hitler. Someone with extreme views, but a great personality that will fool people until he is in power.

Posted by: Clugs | July 25, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe how many intellectually bankrupt liberals out there are buying into BHO. I wouldn't vote for Bush today either, but don't let your hatred blind you. BHO wants America to be more like socialized Europe - more entitlement programs, higher taxes, bigger government. I'm not saying McCain is the panacea for our country's problems, but come on people ... do you really think we need another president that is promising everything to everyone?

I would have felt better if BHO was met in Germany with protests. They like him because they want our country to be similar to theirs, i.e. stale, slow growing and spineless.

Posted by: Steven M. | July 25, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I love everyone jumping on the Obama bandwagon based solely on the propoganda that the Obama campaign puts out. A recent poll in Germany shows that many Germans while they love Obama, view him as being closely related to Adolf Hitler. Someone with extreme views, but a great personality that will fool people until he is in power.

Posted by: Clugs | July 25, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

More proof that the pentagon has been filled with Bush lackeys during the last eight years. Looks like President Barak HUSSEIN Obama will have a lot of house cleaning to do after he takes the oath.

Posted by: playa | July 25, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

It is unbelievable that the average AMERICAN can fall for this 3 ring circus ,BARACK HUSEIN Obama ,the man is a parttime ward senator for the city of chicago. His formative years in Indonesia is another grave concern, most of that country's religion ' Muslim ' and the overwhelming 'CORRUPTION ,that exist there , very likely affects Barack thinking and behavior, His demeanor is very much the same as some of INDONESIA'S previous DICTATORS. We cannot afford to vote for any candidate with the best speech writers, there must be substance to back up all the HOLLOW promises. And who is going to pay the bill "YOU and ME" NO THANKS

Posted by: justincaseinc@sbcglobal.net | July 25, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Geee...do you think IF Obama would have visited the troops John McCain would have said it was a political stunt? Make Up your mind!

Posted by: HollieSeven | July 25, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

The way I see it, after the ludicrous week the GOP candidate has had, any little perception of a problem with Obama's trip will be blown way out of proportion.

I agree with the previous post that the Pentagon screwed with the visit, then they all make a big fuss about his schedule and the troops, and McCain makes yet another inane statement to fire up the uninformed.

Transparent, yes. And pathetic.

Posted by: Susan | July 25, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

You know no matter how you look at it. Regardless who wins Obama will be a young vibrant man with a loving family and an amazing life ahead of him. And Mccain will still be an old man who is losing his mind and probably die soon.

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I really feel sorry for OBAMA! This administration along with the McBush camp will do whatever it takes to undermine his efforts; just to make him look bad. I got news for them, however, they fighting a lost cause because the boy's gonna win. And he's gonna win badddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ben | July 25, 2008 10:34 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Your sudden outbreak of common sense enrages and disgusts me! Don't you know that America cannot have a black secret muslim as it's president! He's going to do all the cliche liberal tactics like raise taxes and sing kumbayaa at his inauguration!!!

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I am so disgusted at this administration!
They are tampering with the campaign behind the scenes, and yet they say that they don't want to interfere with the election this year... BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING!

And the McCain campaign knows it!

First Bush tell Merkel that he doesn't want Obama to speak at the Brandenberg Gate... And Merkel caves in and the speech is moved to another location.

Then Condi calls the embassies earlier this week and told them to give the cold shoulder to Obama and not aid him during his visit there.

And now the Pentagon (under this administration) tell Obama he can't visits the troops, and the McCain camp jumps all over it to make the everyone think that Obama is just thumbing his nose to our wounded soldiers.

This administration is disgusting and the McCain camp is now proving that they are no different.
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Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Pretty transparent: pentagon disallows the visit, McCain slams the non-visit, right-wing freak machine screams.

Nicely choreographed, but transparent.

Posted by: James | July 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

All you folks bashing Obama about not visiting because the Pentagon forbad it - How many times have YOU visited or helped wounded or ill soldiers? There are VA hospitals all over the country and you can put your, ahem "energy" to work for a useful purpose by clicking here. http://www.volunteer.va.gov/

Posted by: Rob | July 25, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I really feel sorry for OBAMA! This administration along with the McBush camp will do whatever it takes to undermine his efforts; just to make him look bad. I got news for them, however, they fighting a lost cause because the boy's gonna win. And he's gonna win badddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ben | July 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

The story was a trick, an IQ test to see if the Mccain supporters would be able to understand it and thus be qualified to vote for a president. I guess the answer is obvious.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

You people are just STUPID. There is just no other word to describe your behavior. You seem to object that Sen Obama didn't visit your/our/the wounded "troops" and you cite that it was because he couldn't get a photo op. There was NOWHERE in this article that stated or even alluded to such. The artcle stated quite clearly: "The European tour is funded by the campaign and as such is not official government business."
How does this have anything to do with anyone else's interpretation than the Pentagon. Seems to me that you 'Obama Objectionists" lack basic critical thinking skills - GROW UP!! Children or MORONS.

Posted by: D.Black | July 25, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"Lets face it, Obama hates the troops and hates the war". -------- And I thought calling him a traitor for being against the Iraqi war was bad form. Didn't you Republican's have mothers to teach you decency, or how to think at least for pity's sake?

Posted by: huh what? | July 25, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Sure McCain whines, but I'll give him credit for doing his own whining. BHO on the other hand, depends on his apologists and media consultants, and (apparently) the MSM to do his whining for him! Whetre the Pentagon said no, or BHO changed his mind, the choice to try and spin this issue and point fingers was entirely BHO's and his lackeys. Now that this choice also appears to be biting him in the posterior, the apologists are out in force. Besides, does anybody really know if the troops themselves wanted BHO to drop in for a photo op? Make no mistake, a visit out of the goodness of one's heart is allways appreciated, howver; sick and injured people, if given a choice, might choose to forego the whole "publicity stunt" circus. If it's publicity and not true concern that motivates a candidate to visit our wounded warriors, save us all the grief and embarassment and just send a get well card instead.

Posted by: Ed Weirdness | July 25, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a FRAUD and LIAR - period!!!!

Posted by: dee | July 25, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama has never taken the Press with him to visit troops in the hospital! Never. When photos are taken of him with the troops on or at a military facility it is the military press core that does it. As one poster said, "If Obama went to visit the troops, the McCain camp would have said: "Using the troops for political gain is inappropriate, and Obama had no business doing so while on a campaign trip." Also the fake allegation that he could have taken a smaller delegation contingent sand then had been allowed to visit the troops is false. Once you show up as a presidential candidate you are a presidential candidate. Only a Senatorial delegation and a Senator could have seen the troops at Rammstein.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/03/mccain.pentagon/index.html

So in either case, Obama would have been "wrong."

Posted by: Chris C | July 25, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Obama use the troops as a political stunt? Why, the idea never even occurred to me! But I'm sure it did to The One. Former Obamites who have opened their eyes are seeing more comparisons to their former idol and our current president than they had ever imagined.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | July 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If he did go, McCain would be saying he was using wounded service men for political means.

I think it is very good to see how Europe views the presidential candidates. After all isn't the president the leader of the free world? Isn't it nice to know our allies approve of our leadership? We are not isolated anymore. It is time for the U.S. to realize this.

Posted by: Brian Rice | July 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

And there is a 2008 Vice President Weekly Poll at http://www.votenic.com so see what America thinks.

Posted by: Brandon | July 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Story should read
"White house blocks Obama visit with troops"

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Some of these comments are outlandish. This "story" is exactly as reported by Balz. This trip has been a great success for Obama and America. Taken in historical contest this is an incredible event. It is very difficult for any of us to look at Obama's meteoric rise objectively. This is an extraordinary man. If we didn't realize how photogenic he is, we have to now. Maybe his image should be fuzzed out. It's very difficult for anyone to look better in contrast. Poor McCain! GW would be a stronger candidate, even now, even with all his baggage. McCain looks bumbling, fumbling and sounds rambling. He needs a total packaging make over ASAP.

Posted by: TJK | July 25, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Jeesh you guys its just a missed opportunity to visit soldiers. Some of the extreme views being spewed here are a little over the top? No?

Posted by: what a bunch of crazies | July 25, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Another Mccain person not smart enough to read the story. Maybe you can find someone who can read it to you.

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What a slap in the face to the heros who serve our country!! Obama's whole trip to Europe and the Middle East is a campaign event...who do they think they re kidding?

Posted by: Tonia | July 25, 2008 10:14 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ob08 | July 25, 2008 10:11 AM
"The Pentagon also said that all government employees in Germany were not allowed to attend the rally for the same reason."

Ob08: There is absolutely no truth to that statement.

Posted by: MB | July 25, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Shameful behavior from a man who wants to be our President.

Posted by: ERIN | July 25, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

He is told essentially by the white house he can't and you somehow find that as his fault? First of all use what ever brain cells you may have left and you will see it would have been a great photo op. Why would any politician miss something like that?
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Lets face it. Obama hates the troops and hates the war. He has no original ideas - or any solid policies at all - but just resorts to slogans and sayings like a cult leader. So many people are frustrated that they just latch on to him. It is very sad commentary on America. At least Hillary had ideas, albeit not all good.

http://www.beyondthemargin.net

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Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

You know a lot of us manage to visit the sick, wounded and infirm, without trying to benefit from the photo op. It's probably because we actually care about our men and women in uniform. These are our fathers, brothers, sisters, mothers, wives, husbands, and not just a tools to be used to gain power.

If you truly care, and just want to check in and see how America's wounded warriors are doing, you'll find a way to do it.

Military Hospitals are blowing and going 24/7. Candidate Obama could have found a few minutes to hop over to the base with a security detail, and spend a little time with the troops, he chose not to! It's not coincidental that this trip occured at the ideal time for "vacationing in Europe", and by most accounts, Candidate Obama and his substantial entourage are staying in nice hotels and eating high on the hog. At least it's not on the tax payer dollar (unless you consider his Senatorial salary, and the Secret Service expenses involved with this campaign tour).

Honestly, I would have been impressed if BHO had done the "discreet visit" just to check up on our guys. Doubtless it would have still gotten out to the press (does anyone think that the troops themselves would keep a discreet visit by BHO a secret?) and BHO would still have reaped the publicity benefit. Now BHO and his apologists are confronted with dealing with an obvious low class debacle thats hard to explain away! It's like both Candidates are competing to see who can win the election by the smallest margin possible.

Posted by: Ed Weirdness | July 25, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

And McCain and the GOP would have killed Obama if he had gone to Landstuhl and his photos with wounded vets appeared all over the media.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | July 25, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

The same conditions applied to Obama's visit to troops in Germany as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

When he got no publicity mileage from his previous visits, he cancelled the German one. Speaks volumes about him!

Posted by: Paul, UK | July 25, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

What a slap in the face to the heros who serve our country!! Obama's whole trip to Europe and the Middle East is a campaign event...who do they think they re kidding?

Posted by: Tonia | July 25, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Weiner - the Pentagon refused to allow President Obama to visit the troops in Germany because it was seen as a campaingn stop. The Pentagon also said that all government employees in Germany were not allowed to attend the rally for the same reason.

Get your facts right before you come here and tell your lies.

This is pure racism at its best. When McSame visited Canada and gave a speech. The Pentagon did not issue an order barring its employees from attending McSame's speech. The GOP have nothing to go on that is why McSame has been attacking President Obama all week instead of taking advantage of the week to work on his no substance policies. Nobody in their right mind would vote for someone who does not even know what he is talking about. Only the ignorant that believe in this lowlife, woman basher, flipflopper, lier McSame. McSame looked jealous and lost all week.

It doesn't matter though because the American people need change, and change is coming. President Obama - get used to it.

Posted by: ob08 | July 25, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse


Hello ??? Are we supposed to BUY that ?

Obama is a walking media event. What a joke trying to sell this.

Will Axelrod Productions stop at nothing ?

Nope.


OBAMA - CHANGE WE CAN BARELY KEEP TRACK OF

MUCH LESS "BELIEVE" IN


MR. BAIT & SWITCH


SOMEONE TELL HIM HE'S NOT ANNOINTED

SMALL TOWN BITTER WHITE FOLK GET TO VOTE FOR THEIR PRESIDENTS - OR NOT


WHAT AN EGO MANIAC

STADIUM FOR THE CONVENTION - SO HE CAN FIT HIS HEAD IN THERE


SPARE US ANOTHER SERMON


Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Hillary supporters and Republicans (one and same) would fault Obama whether he went or not. Had he gone, they would say it was a political stunt. Now he cancels at the request of the Pentagon and they say "he doesn't care about wounded soldiers." Hillaryites and Republicans are being dishonest on this issue and should not be taken seriously.

Posted by: RealChoices | July 25, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Lets face it. Obama hates the troops and hates the war. He has no original ideas - or any solid policies at all - but just resorts to slogans and sayings like a cult leader. So many people are frustrated that they just latch on to him. It is very sad commentary on America. At least Hillary had ideas, albeit not all good.

http://www.beyondthemargin.net

Posted by: Anonymous | July 25, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

The real reason Hussein Obama did not visit the troops is obvious. His speech writers did not have time to write the lying rhetoric he spews in all his speeches. He would have been a stammering fool.He could have went but not his busload of staff and ass kissing reporters. All this bull---- about the big German crowds,they would have turned out for any socialist Democrat. That's what Democrats have turned into, Nazi socialists. Hussein Obama wants the USA to be another loser socialist country, with government controlling the people and running like cowards from a war. Only thing, the American people have seen right thru this phony, political,photo op.Obama, the Germans and the liberal reporters are all a despicable bunch of ass holes.

Posted by: frankv | July 25, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse


McCain's constant childlike whining is really becoming pathetic.

Some "hero". He has diminished himself into a cranky old coot who I only trust to yell at me to get off his lawn, not run a country.

Posted by: sequoia | July 25, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Still certain rules apply - THAT's POLITICS in AMERICA!!

Having lived and gone to school in Germany, as well as being stationed there:
(Kaiserslautern & Stuttgart) for over 3 years, I am aware of the freedoms we enjoy because of our democratic political process. Have you ever been a victim of discrimination? I have, in both Germany and the U.S. In Germany there is no such animal as "discrimination". So I really appreciate our rights and freedoms. Both presidential candidates should encourage their military voters to exercise their right to vote in our next election!

Posted by: Tym | July 25, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

The media, at least most of the U.S. MSM, fails to note that two of Germany's more popular "musical acts" preceeded Candidate Obama's speech. Mr. Obama did something similar by coat tailing a concert by the Decemberists here in the U.S.

Things would really, really have to be dull in Berlin for anyone to think that a politician, even a highly decorative politician such as Obama, would attract a crowd of 200K. Particularly where a good percentage of those listening to the speech might have had trouble keeping up (not everyone in Germany is fluent in English, although many are).

Nice try at spinning events on the ground in Europe though, full marks for the effort!

Seriously, how is it incumbent on U.S. Citizens to consider who Europeans think will make a good President? Recirpocity would seem to dictate that Europe, likewise clear their election decisions with the United States. I doubt we've seen a more "non-issue" thus far in our election cycle. Doubtless though, we will!

Posted by: Ed Weirdness | July 25, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

A scene of Obama visiting injured soldiers in Germany? Not good press for war advocates. Let's call it "disrespectful". Like calling for veterans' benefits and more humane treatment of active troops, this would "undermine" the war effort, wouldn't it? Kind of "traitorous" don't you think? Yeah, that's it.
Wait! He's not going to visit them? Let's call it "disrespectful"...

Posted by: Terry Wenner | July 25, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

This is a fine example of what America has turned into - a nation of whiners! But not exactly like McCain Economic chief meant. I am a independent/libertarian that has watched the Republican party become more and more corrupt and inept since 1980 when they elected a bad actor to run our country head on into the first of many foreign policy and economic crisis. The Democrats and Republicans do not have a whole lot of differences when you cut through the noise, but overall the Democrats have sold out to much less scarier special interests. Wouldn't you rather have teachers and union members' hands in the taxpayer pockets than the oil multinationals that are stopping America from advancing energy technology to the 21st century, and defense companies that depend on government welfare for their miserable business of manufacturing overpriced death machines?

Posted by: Robert F | July 25, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama was NOT taking camera crews with him to visit soldiers. He was told by the Pentagon REPEATEDLY that he should not visit the wounded troops, while on a political trip. Obama's people say they had several talks trying to work it out with the Pentagon, but they would not budge.

Posted by: S. Williams | July 25, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Run the race Barack, weary though thou be.
Run the race Barack, against the slings and arrows
Against the words of interposition and nullification,
Run Barack, against the contempt of piety,
against the stone throwers of Mary Magdalene
who judge as if they were without sin
Run Barack, for the saints who were slain at the alters
for their blood will protect thee,
Run the race Barack, against the fear mongers of darkness
Run Barack, run to fulfill that reasons thou has
incarnated in this place at this particular time,
For now is humankind at that appointed place where the final reef of mercy is extended before the final judgment.

Posted by: Curtis J | July 25, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse


Bush can show up for a photo op and hand out "W" stickers to the troops, but the Pentagon hawks tell us that a visit to injured troops in German hospitals would be too political.

The Pentagon does not want " Our Troops" to be seen.
They do not want the press to see the horrific carnage suffered by our brave troops who will spend the rest of their lives begging for medical care and benefits.

So there we have it folks, these same troops who risk life and limb in the name of freedom, are not permitted to
make a well informed decision about the future leadership of this country.

They are bombarded by White House sanctioned propaganda while George Bush has spent more than 2 years in collective days ON VACATION in a time of war.

They suffer and bleed, while Bush is having the time of his life, having a ball and having a perfect day.

Posted by: OgreDaddy | July 25, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

So, the Republicans in the Pentagon told Obama not to come with his campaign staff, and he honored their request. Then his Republican opponent took a free pot shot at him for honoring the Republican Pentagon request. It doesn't fool me.

Posted by: Chuck | July 25, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Barack is being presumptuous and arrogant with this world tour. He's not even the President yet. Germany and France do not elect the US President. What is his problem? Let's not forget the Europeans were rooting for Kerry. But that didn't help Kerry and it won't help Barack. I guess he's bored talking with Americans. Well these boring Americans pull the only lever that counts.

Posted by: dcp | July 25, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

When you're a Democrat you have to play by rules that are twice as hard to figure out and follow - and apparently you still can't do the right thing. Such is the state of our country after 30 years of minority conservative-religious political interference in the American government.

Posted by: Bob | July 25, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Are you people just completely irrational or blindly loyal? John McCain doesn't make Barack Obama's decisions for him.

I don't expect a perfect candidate, when mine makes a mistake or does something I don't particularly like, I don't pretend like it didn't happen and cover up for him. I'm disappointed -very disappointed.

Now lets get another thing straight. You don't get to just walk onto a US Military installation with hundreds of people in your entourage because you, a sitting US senator, thinks an exception should be made. They have to have a reason. If your congressional staff is there for congressional purposes, then yes, they have a reason to enter. However, if your campaign staff is there, then they are clearly not present for congressional business, and thus, their admission would be denied under Force Protection Condition Bravo. This was unacceptable to the Obama camp.

So stop for just one moment, take a step back from your blind loyalties and look at what was really being asked of Senator Obama. He was asked not to bring CAMPAIGN staff onto the installation. The choice was to play by the rules or to bail; the Senator chose to cancel altogether.

That's fine, he had a schedule to keep; it's just disappointing to see him go and pander to thousands of Europeans that can't vote on the very same day that he decided he didn't have time to talk to any of the 50,000 Americans living in the Kaiserslautern Military Community.

Posted by: Mike B | July 25, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

It's quite obvious that Obama's request to visit the wounded troops was withdrawn when he was informed he could not use it as a photo opportunity. He preferred to go shopping and sight-seeing instead. Shows what his priorities.

Posted by: Paul, UK | July 25, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

This is outragous! Barack Hussein Obama has the time and energy to take his campaign to Europe but won't speak to our wounded troops? Are You freakin' joking? Who is this guy...really?

Posted by: Larry | July 25, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Common Sense: You wrote that stuff like you was there and know that bush told someone not to let obama speak. You was there? Y dont you use some common sense and figure out and actually read stuff that the pentagon didnt tell him not to go just informed him it would be viewed as a campaign thing and OBAMA was the one that didnt go. It's all just a ploy so he didnt have to go see the troops because he a douche bag just like all the other democrats all about themselfs and personal gain and view than actually doing something about it. democrats=appeasers

Posted by: JC | July 25, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

A US Senator running for president traveling on campaign dollars and our troops are not worth a visit at the hospitals recovering from war injuries. Must be the speach writers couldn't come up with the proper response so Obama wouldn't fumble over his words and stutter like a moron. Maybe his handlers could pull his strings a little bit better than that.

Posted by: pete | July 25, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Common Sense: You wrote that stuff like you was there and know that bush told someone not to let obama speak. You was there? Y dont you use some common sense and figure out and actually read stuff that the pentagon didnt tell him not to go just informed him it would be viewed as a campaign thing and OBAMA was the one that didnt go. It's all just a ploy so he didnt have to go see the troops because he a douche bag just like all the other democrats all about themselfs and personal gain and view than actually doing something about it. democrats=appeasers

Posted by: JC | July 25, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

"The Pentagon"? PLEASE! Let's be real about this! The Pentagon didn't want O.B. to walk into Landsthul with three 747's of MSM reporters, their camera crews, wives, kids, dogs, and cats. The Pentagon didn't want a CIRCUS in and among the patient's beds. The Great O.B. could have found a way to visit the wounded troops and kept his promise. No! This was a deliberate insult; a very calculated wad of spit in the face of our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines. This was O.B. at his finest hour, the heart throb of socialist Germany, the "Citizen of the World" at his very best. This guy has even less integrity than Jimmah "The Peanut" Car'ter OR Bubba Bill Clinton (our very first Black President)combined. Where do these guys come from? (If Hillary had only divorced Bubba 8 years ago, I could have voted for her.)

Posted by: Pascvaks | July 25, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand this story. What are the implications of the event being a campaign event? What limitations does that impose on the visit?

Posted by: THS | July 25, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"Should he not be campaign here is the USA. Last I checked we are the ones that vote."

What about the absentees ballot? Why do you think McCain is making abid deal out of it? So Obama does not get the vote from them.

First they try to set him up by challenging him to go to Irakthinking that will prove how inexperience he is, it backfire on them, so they are pulling all the stunts to underming Obama. It has always been the Republicains way McCain is no different.

Posted by: martdac | July 25, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

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If Obama went to visit the troops, the McCain camp would have said: "Using the troops for political gain is inappropriate, and Obama had no business doing so while on a campaign trip."

So in either case, Obama would have been "wrong."

Dear McCain Camp: Shut the hell up.

Posted by: Dave | July 25, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Whine, whine, whine is all we hear from the McCain camp. McCain goaded Obama into the overseas trip hoping to prove his inexperience. Now that Obama's trip has been wildly received by our allies, McCain is complaining about all the free press coverage. McCain is just angry that he did not invite the press corps on his last overseas junket.

Posted by: Tom in Alabama | July 25, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

For the past seven years the GOP has had way to many balls flying for anyone to keep an eye on all of them. But I'm convinced when any GOP member says that things are going to be great for us, he or she is not talking about me.

Posted by: James Larkins | July 25, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"Pentagon Objections"???? There was a very simple way for this not to be considered a campaign event: It was merely requested that Obama not bring campaign staff onto the installation -only congressional staff. That was ADVICE for HIS protection, not an "objection." How hard is that if, as Obama claims, it's not a "campaign event?" You write as though the Pentagon ordered him not to come. STOP COVERING FOR HIM. Obama doesn't get to make the rules yet and he's not gonna get special treatment. The Senator has his own priorities and he made his own decision. There was a very simple way for him to visit the troops, his campaign staff could have had lunch while he and his congressional staff visited the soldiers. There are almost 50,000 Americans in Kaiserslautern (where Landstuhl is located), like his staff couldn't have found something valuable to do for the campaign while the Senator was on base. That was unacceptable to the Senator. Apparently the campaign staff felt that the rules shouldn't apply to them. That's THEIR decision, not the Pentagon's.

Posted by: Mike B | July 25, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign is seeming more and more shrill by the day when no matter what Obama does, they find reason to criticize it. What are the odds that if Obama would have gone ahead and visited the troops over Pentagon objections they would have been just as quick to deem it inappropriately political rather than respectful, just like they criticized his speech in Germany as presumptuous for a candidate instead of a sitting President?

Me-thinks rather high, and the whole thing smacks of desperation in their campaign, just like their trial balloons regarding a VP pick: which is it, trying to take the air out of the Obama abroad coverage, or sneaking it in before the Olympics? It would be interesting to see what they'd do if they actually had a plan instead of just continuing to react.

Posted by: Brad | July 25, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Gary: Flip that coin again, and make sure it's real before you make ridiculous comments.

Stunts are all the GOP has left anymore. Anything to prop up that candidate! And sure, McCain was a war hero, but that doesn't make him fit to lead today.

Posted by: Susan | July 25, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Should he not be campaign here is the USA. Last I checked we are the ones that vote. If Senator Obama is just doing it to make his foreign policy work strong its not working. Talking with a bunch of different governments is not the same as creating a policy and then having it succeed. It is kinda like if I wanted to be a lawyer and just started going to court and talking to other lawyers and plaintiffs.

Posted by: Storm | July 25, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I am so disgusted at this administration!
They are tampering with the campaign behind the scenes, and yet they say that they don't want to interfere with the election this year... BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING!

And the McCain campaign knows it!

First Bush tell Merkel that he doesn't want Obama to speak at the Brandenberg Gate... And Merkel caves in and the speech is moved to another location.

Then Condi calls the embassies earlier this week and told them to give the cold shoulder to Obama and not aid him during his visit there.

And now the Pentagon (under this administration) tell Obama he can't visits the troops, and the McCain camp jumps all over it to make the everyone think that Obama is just thumbing his nose to our wounded soldiers.

This administration is disgusting and the McCain camp is now proving that they are no different.

Posted by: Common Sense | July 25, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

The fact is, Obama, heads we win, tails you lose. Only a war hero like McCain can visit the troops, with you its a stunt.

Posted by: Gary Ruppert | July 25, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

This is just more garbage coming from the administration, just like the Condi mess with the embassies earlier in the week.

I feel bad for Obama and the troops he could have visited.

I also think it's interesting John McCain has something to say about it, considering it's his party making a stink about the visit in the first place.

Posted by: Susan | July 25, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

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