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Sen. Barack Obama speaks speaks to the media at Eastside Community Ministry in Zanesville, Ohio, July 1, 2008. (Reuters)

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By Jonathan Weisman
ZANESVILLE, Ohio -- Sen. Barack Obama, continuing his outreach to white, swing voters, traveled to conservative eastern Ohio today to propose strengthening the White House program assisting faith-based social service organizations while insisting those groups not discriminate against aid recipients.

Obama's $500-million-a-year Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships would also create 1 million new slots for summer jobs and education programs.

"I'm not saying that faith-based groups are an alternative to government or secular nonprofits, and I'm not saying that they're somehow better at lifting people up," Obama said after touring the Eastside Community Ministry. "What I'm saying is that we all have to work together -- Christian and Jew, Hindu and Muslim, believer and non-believer alike -- to meet the challenges of the 21st century."

Religious voters are a wild card this election year, and Obama showed today he wants at least a large slice. George W. Bush dominated the voting block in 2000 and 2004, but presumptive Republican nominee John McCain does not hold similar allegiances and has never made his faith a central part of his political appeal. Evangelical leaders, such as Focus on the Family's James Dobson, have spoken out against both McCain and Obama.

Of the two presumptive nominees, Obama has been the more overtly religious, reaching out to Christian leaders and speaking of his religious beliefs often. But he has had to contend with two conflicting but powerful strikes against him: his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose incendiary sermons called into question Obama's own beliefs for some voters; and the persistent but false rumors that Obama is a Muslim.

In Zanesville, he did not shy away from professing his beliefs.

"I didn't grow up in a particularly religious household," he said. "But my experience in Chicago showed me how faith and values could be an anchor in my life. And in time, I came to see my faith as being both a personal commitment to Christ and a commitment to my community, that while I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work."

Bush first proposed federal assistance to religious organizations during his 2000 presidential campaign and was quickly seconded by then-Vice President Al Gore as both were reaching out to evangelical voters. But Bush's faith-based initiative has been mired in controversy. Its first director, John DiIulio, quit the White House and charged the administration was stocked with "Mayberry Machiavellis" more interested in politics than policy. Another program director, David Kuo, wrote a scathing tell-all book recounting how Bush's Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives was used to advance Republican political objectives.

Moreover, Obama aides said, the current program simply has not worked. Funding has always been tight, and the program requires faith-based organizations interested in assistance to attend conferences in Washington to learn how to apply, which has reduced participation to a few savvy groups. Instead, Obama would set up "community partners" to "train the trainers" to apply in a more streamlined fashion. He would also establish a new effort to evaluate the effectiveness of federally funded social service efforts.

But Obama aides said an Obama administration would get tougher on groups that discriminate in hiring practices and assistance. The groups would have to abide by federal hiring laws that reject discrimination based on race, sex, and religion. Obama said he supports federal legislation that would extend those protections to homosexuals as well, a flash point with some religious organizations that maintain hiring or assisting gay people would run counter to their beliefs.

Under the Obama proposal, the groups could use federal funds only to assist anyone in need, not anyone from a certain background or religion. Nor could federal funds be used to proselytize or spread religious beliefs.

"This is about providing equal treatment, but not special treatment," an Obama aide said.
DiIulio endorsed Obama's proposal as a "principled, prudent and problem-solving vision" for the future of faith-based social service.

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State pronounced himself "disappointed that any presidential candidate would want to continue a failed policy of the Bush administration."

"The president's faith-based initiative has undermined civil rights and civil liberties and become deeply mired in partisan politics," Lynn said. "It ought to be shut down."

The breakdown between a former Bush White House official and a liberal standard bearer such as Lynn will likely suit Obama fine. Beyond policy, the initiative is more evidence that Obama is stepping up efforts to reach evangelical and other religious voters. Zanesville is the heart of a House district long held by Republican Bob Ney, but taken by Democrat Zack Space in 2006 after Ney was sent to prison on corruption charges. Space was late to endorse Obama, and yesterday was in South Carolina visiting his mother, an aide to the congressman said.
Republicans did not try to deride Obama's proposal, but they did question his appeal to religious voters. They pointed to a recent letter Obama wrote to a gay rights organization in San Francisco, saying he supports repealing the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which defines a marriage as the union of a man and a woman, and will "oppose the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution" to ban gay marriage.

Obama said yesterday he still is not in favor of gay marriage, but he said the Defense of Marriage Act "was an unnecessary imposition on the traditional rules of marriage" governed by the states.

"That is not a new position," he said.

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Posted by: tcqif14ii7 | July 9, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

If you think Obama has no true position, that he is flip-flopping, and that he is moving to the center, it is only because you never understood his positions to begin with. I have advice for you: read The Audacity of Hope. Obama is not a left-winger as Repubs try to sell him as and he is not a flip-flopper. He is and always has been a politician working in a non-partisan way. The people mud people are slinging at him is all based on misunderstanding.

Posted by: Don | July 2, 2008 7:52 PM

Obama's position is relative to the position of the planets, especially the moon and its effect on ocean waves. Obama's trying to navigate through all this to find his true position. Maybe Weasel Clark can help him find its longitude and latitude.

I have read Obamas books. Their publication was timely and played well into Obama's presidential ambitions. He knows well that every Washington politician that seek higher office must write a book or two that are uplifting and politically correct. It was a calculated move; Obama used his books to introduce himself to the American people. It's a no brainer that Obama wanted to run for president before he wrote his books.

Posted by: Sam | July 3, 2008 5:13 AM | Report abuse

Everybody wants to put and leave the ideas, and he necessary work of unifying our country at the feet of Barack.

Remember, he has told us all along that he's going for unity and he has said that he needs our help.

As difficult as it appears, we too must be willing to shed some of our partisan stances and cross that necessary threshold toward a United States of America.

He's trying and to me, that's a good sign of his leadership and his willingness reach across the "divide."

I think we can decide to loose the smaller battles. More so as we have the larger victory of winning the war within our grasp.

Let's work with him.

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | July 3, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

It is true that Obama used to teach constitutional law at the University of Chicago. But Obama wasn't a professor. He wasn't tenured-track. He worked as a lecturer, and then he left.

Posted by: Scott | July 3, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

If you think Obama has no true position, that he is flip-flopping, and that he is moving to the center, it is only because you never understood his positions to begin with. I have advice for you: read The Audacity of Hope. Obama is not a left-winger as Repubs try to sell him as and he is not a flip-flopper. He is and always has been a politician working in a non-partisan way. The people mud people are slinging at him is all based on misunderstanding.

Posted by: Don | July 2, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

To: tchanta | July 2, 2008 6:49 PM

Even if the apparently blatant posturing is just an illusion, still, and more importantly, Obama would violate our first amendment right that government not create an "establishment of religion. See my post, below.

Posted by: Loup-bouc | July 2, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

If there is one politician who can talk about this issue, it's Obama. After college, he worked with churches as a community organizer. He never ran from that experience in this campaign. There is no political posturing here.

Posted by: tchanta | July 2, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I will always support helping the poor in anyway possible but this is also very minor stuff and oh so boring. What else have you got?

Posted by: 1paperclip | July 1, 2008 1:45 PM
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NO!

This is neither boring nor minor.

What Obama is proposing to do will involve spending MORE tax dollars.

You do know WHY the American colonists went to war with the British?

Taxation without representation.

Matters that involve the money of We the People are CENTRAL to who we are as a nation. I feel sorry for those who do not understand that, that they are so willfully ignorant.

Posted by: None of the Above 08 | July 2, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Don't vote for McCain or Obama. Vote for a THIRD party candidate or a write in. Don't settle for a lesser evil.

After backing off his promise of talking unconditionally with Iran, after sucking up to AIPAC, after saying he opposes the death penalty then arguing we ought execute child-rapers who don't kill, and after shifting or guilefully "nuancing" his positions regarding too many other issues -- now Obama turns on everything he said about FISA and telecom immunity, and NOW, to pander to the Christian Right, he would create a faith-based federal program that would violate the first amendment.

Obama dissembled when he said the FISA Bill protects privacy well by providing Inspector General review.

The Bill lets government wiretap without individual warrants, just a mass one. But Obama (previously a U. Chicago Law School Constitutional Law teacher) knows (or surely ought to know) the 4th amendment requires a separate warrant for each individual surveillance (though a warrant can authorize an individual ongoing surveillance).

The Bill permits warrantless surveillance for 15 days (after which the government can "validate" its 4th amendment violation by getting a warrant ex post).

And if one reads the Bill very carefully, one sees its ambiguities let government tap a US citizen's communication made from the US to a US citizen located in the US -- though Obama and the Bill's other supporters insist, publically, that the Bill applies only to communications directed to non-citizens located abroad.

McObama (or is he Barack O'Bush-Cheney?) has bartered our liberty to attain Executive power.

In national leaders, evil is not a matter of degree -- as if a wrong is tolerable if measurably less than another. Murdering 1,000 is evil as murdering 50,000.

Obama IS a "change" candidate. He changes like Hillary & McCain. Oh, he doesn't lie -- like Hillary or McCain. He plays Bill's game: "It depends on what 'is' is." "Fellatio is not SEX."

"I said I want telecom accountability, to protect 4th amendment rights -- and I'd do all I could to block immunity.

"But the 4th amendment doesn't apply to telecoms. I meant I wanted accountability AND ALSO to protect 4th amendment rights (against Presidential intrusion). Notice the comma between 'accountability' and 'to protect' of my last paragraph.

"I did NOT say I'd trash national security -- when I said I want telecom accountability. And wanting is not the same as getting for unbearable cost -- cost like 'national security' loss.

"Yes. National security includes security of privacy. Soon I'll explain how destroying privacy makes privacy secure -- when I find the right prose.

"I saw -- last week -- that national security trumps telecom accountability despite telecoms invaded privacies of millions, millions of times. Telecoms will not secure privacy, by invading privacy (as we need), if they're accountable for invasions. So I saw that national security trumps privacy ... er, trumps accountability. I DID 'all' I could to block immunity. In this case, 'all' = nothing."

Obama is Bill wearing blackface. (Bill was the first Black president: He plays tenor sax.) Obama is Hillary after a sex-change operation. (Women lie. Men speak dissembling prose.)

Some say Obama will keep his progressive promises when President -- undo retroactive telecom immunity (though that may be unconstitutional), remove his nose from the recess of AIPAC's derriere. But if he may betray his last assurances as he betrayed earlier, contrary ones, he may behave even worse as President. Instead of shunning AIPAC, he may invade Iran. Instead of reversing telecom immunity, he may spy on us worse than Bush did.

But wait ! There's more !

Skinner v. State of Oklahoma, Ex. Rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535 (1942), held that forced punitive sterilization is unconstitutional. Only with the most disingenuous legal dancing could the current Supreme Court hold valid the Louisiana chemical castration statute, which provides a form of punitive forced sterilization, and which Governor Jindal signed into law recently.

In Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927), the Supreme Court bought into eugenics and upheld non-punitive forced sterilization of a mentally handicapped woman who conceived (or wanted to conceive) though her parents, grandparents, and great grand parents conceived mentally handicapped offspring. The Court said: "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

That decision has been criticized severely (as outrageous, uncivilized) in numerous later Supreme Court decisions, and, likely, overturned by implication. See Skinner v. State of Oklahoma, Ex. Rel. Williamson, (cited above) and later decisions. If Buck v. Bell has been overturned, then forced chemical castration is unconstitutional (a due process clause violation) even if the state insists (and the federal courts agree) that it is a non-punitive, preventive measure.

Since women sex offenders occur but one cannot castrate a woman, is a castrated male offender denied equal protection. Or would Jindal "circumcise" a woman offender to discourage her offending again by denying her the chance of pleasure? Then what of the woman who has VAGINAL orgasms? Is SHE punished LESS -- so that the other woman is treated unequally?

How "astonishing" (?): McCain may make Jindal his VP running mate, since lunatic Christians might vote for such a McBush ticket. Jindal --- a lunatic who does exorcisms (and smells Satan leaving the subject's body), who lobbied for, and recently signed, a statute requiring public schools to teach "intelligent design," who lobbied for, and recently signed, a statute providing state voucher financing of religious school attendance, and who cannot wait to order chemical castrations though one would expect such cruelty only in the most barbarous, barely civilized nations.

Worse: McCain's is the tail of Cheney's jackal, Project for a New American Century (the founders, directors, and signatories of which are McCain's foreign policy and national security advisors, the same men who wrought the Iraq war and the frauds that made it happen).

But what the Hell?

Obama wants to one-up Bush -- by installing an Obama version of federal support of faith-based initiatives. Obama tried, with his usual "nuanced" explanation (read dissembling), to deny that his program would violate the first amendment:

"Now, make no mistake, as someone who used to teach constitutional law, I believe deeply in the separation of church and state, but I don't believe this partnership will endanger that idea - so long as we follow a few basic principles. First, if you get a federal grant, you can't use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can't discriminate against them - or against the people you hire - on the basis of their religion. Second, federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples, and mosques can only be used on secular programs. And we'll also ensure that taxpayer dollars only go to those programs that actually work."

The first amendment prohibits government-supported faith-based initiatives. SOME examples: (A) putting a crèche and crucifix in a court prosecuting a Jew for selling condoms on Sunday; (B) benedictions given in public school classes or ceremonies; (C) government's funding religion-related activities of religious institutions; (D) government's funding a religious school's busing students; (E) government's funding church programs that commit religious discrimination.

Obama's pandering-to-Christians program (he ain't pandering to Muslims or Jews) WOULD violate the first amendment.

Government cannot ASSURE churches use government funds ONLY to finance purely secular acts that do not involve religious discrimination. But even if Obama COULD assure funds don't finance any religious institution's act related to the institution's religion, still his program would violate the first amendment.

The first amendment prohibits government's endorsing religion. Endorse religion is EXACTLY what Obama's program does --- endorses church "charity" (says it's needed, maybe better than state charity), and church "charity" is, always, an advertisement of religion.

Obama's program would be (Obama said) a "critical" part and "moral center" of his administration. So, his administration would BE an establishment of religion.

Obama said: "I ... see faith as...both a personal commitment to Christ and a commitment to my community; that while I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work...."

In his excuse (see quote 7 paragraphs above), Obama mentioned he had taught constitutional law. I pity his students. I pity us because, likely, Obama will be President, but otherwise McCain will, and one can expect McCain will propose his own (worse) program of federal support of faith-based initiatives. I pity us more because, if near-dead McCain takes office with Jindal as VP, Jindal could become Prez by dint of McCain's "meeting his maker" (perhaps because Jindal performs an exorcism on McCain, to oust the now near-vanished "maverick" that had seemed to possess McCain's political body).

Posted by: Loup-bouc | July 2, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Things that Obama has been doing in the past weeks: flip-flopping, pandering, moving to the center and, worst of all, trying to get elected. Obama's got no true position. He's been adopting someone else's position all along. Just yesterday, he's adopted Bush's position.

Posted by: Jeffrey | July 2, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Everyday I become more solidly a conservative. I was listening to Liberal Radio yesterday (Kansas Public Radio) and heard that Barack Obama wanted to give a HUGE chunk of tax dollars to Faith-Based organizations. I'm pretty sure this is illegal. The Founders of the Consitution feared the government of England controlling and their persecution of different kinds of faith. That's why they placed the Sepration of Church and State. I don't think government is bad, but I do think that a smaller government and a people who govern themselves is the path to success. You CAN'T have a government sponsered religion. My cousin raced Sno-cross, and when someone gave him money, he put their decal on this sled, and he called that organization a SPONSER. Change is all good my friends, but is all Change good change? In the military world, you don't take Command and make huge changes right away, you wait a while until you've become familiar with the system and it's strengths and weaknesses. Obama doesn't know the system and has almost no voting record. On important issues, he's always voted "present" which means he has no position and no voting record. He's too inexperienced to know what to do, and he clearly doesn't understand the Constitution. Change is 2008? That's all you'll have in your bank is change if an extreme Socialist comes to the White House.

Posted by: Legacy 6 | July 2, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Unbelievable the amount of hate I read below coming from the Republican party. That's all Republicans stand for any more: hate. Rather than promoting their own guy, they do whatever they can to smear the opponent. If you only heard the Republican side of things, you would think Obama, Kerry, Gore, etc were the worst people on the face of this earth. I really don't trust anything they say any more.

Posted by: John M. from Idaho | July 2, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

A politician that mixes God and politics isn't a true believer of the American Constitution and lacks real wisdom. Obama is quickly becoming the usual politician. He is pandering.

Posted by: Madison | July 2, 2008 5:12 AM | Report abuse

No doubt that Obama is getting some behind the scene advices from Rev. Wright on this. Disavow the man in public but keep the phone line wide open. Rev. Wright, a friend and mentor for life. Basically, Obama has learned quickly to take advantage of the fact that a vast majority of voters are naive and that they vote based on emotions. Ironically, the Obama campaign is full of veterans from Washington; and Obama is selling the idea that they can help him bring change? I believe that the Obama has effectively screwed up his message of change. He is more of a copycat.

Posted by: Derek | July 2, 2008 5:05 AM | Report abuse

No doubt that Obama is getting behind the scene advice from Rev. Wright on this. Disavow in public but keep the phone line is wide open. Rev. Wright, a friend and mentor for life.

Posted by: Loki | July 2, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

Obama got preferential home loans that is beyond reasonable for the rest of us home owners. We want this to stop.

Posted by: Concerned Citizens | July 2, 2008 4:38 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see Michelle Obama defend the fact that she and Barrack Hussein Obama sat in the pews of Trinity for 20 years.

Can you imagine if Obama brings Trinity and Rev Wright in to the inner circle of religious groups.

Barrack HUSSEIN Obama's church for over 20 years, the BLACK Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the BLACK Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. They believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These BLACK Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever BLACKS are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the BLACK Community
3. Commitment to the BLACK Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the BLACK Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the BLACK Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting BLACK Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all BLACK leadership who espouse and embrace the BLACK Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the BLACK Value System.

Please read the "BLACK Value System" again -- only this time, substitute the word "White" for "BLACK."

If your church had such a "White Value System" Jesse and Al and the NAACP would have 10,000 demonstrators out front in a heartbeat."

Posted by: More of these kinds of religious groups? | July 2, 2008 4:29 AM | Report abuse

Happening wrote: "Obama has the devil's power to enchant people. They will support him unconditionally and not listen to any reason. This has happened before, with Hitler. Now, it is happening in America."

HAHAHAHAHAHAH, that sounds more like Bush and Reagan! You idiots stood behind G.W. Bush so proud and arrogantly as you shouted at anybody who questioned going into Iraq, and now look! Suddenly most of you have changed your minds and somehow try to disavow that you believed in attacking Iraq. The same is true with Bush/Reagan economic policies. Sorry folks, our memories are not as bad as you want them to be! You Repubs had your way and now the rest of us have decided we don't want it any more. CHANGE IN 2008!

Posted by: Mike | July 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

He's going to life black people up by extolling the virtues of faith and self responsibility.

I like that idea better than the pointy headed liberals' big spending programs.

If they guy can clean up the inner cities and empower people using the Word, more power to Him.

And if he can do it without spending my money, the guy will have proven himself a genius.

Give him a chance to save his people. Let's be honest, most of the rest of us can save ourselves. The black thing needs to get fixed. Who better than Obama.

Posted by: JR, Boston | July 2, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama has another "SEAL" boy he is really into "SEALS" I guess he will have a different "SEAL" everyday.

Obama, have "SEAL" will travel.

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com


Posted by: VJ Machiavelli | July 1, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable!! Obama's addiction to winning has clouded his already poor judgement. There must be separation of church and state. This is a Democratic ideal you're supposed to champion! Obama is an idiot!!

Posted by: Penn | July 1, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama has the devil's power to enchant people. They will support him unconditionally and not listen to any reason. This has happened before, with Hitler. Now, it is happening in America.

Posted by: Happening | July 1, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

If Jesus Christ were to run for the Democratic party, I'm pretty sure we would see smearing and slandering against him all over these Washington post blogs. I really wonder if these Republican hate-mongers believe everything they say, or if they say it with a knowing conscious that they are lying and deceiving. I find it hard to believe anything they say any more.

Posted by: Richard Carmichael | July 1, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful! More wasteful spending...

The biggest issue is the economy and the both candidates seem to have rather weak backgrounds. Very scary! Many of their policies are absolutely absurd :(

http://www.beyondthemargin.net/2008/07/european-inflation-has-dire.html

Posted by: Jimmy | July 1, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of ****!

From what we have learned of politically centered "churches', what we need badly, is IRS oversight of the 5013c organizations....ALL of them!!!

No more $$$ until reviewed!!!!!

Posted by: Steve | July 1, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm with kjohndwyer on this one. He said, "I am a gay american and the idea that my tax dollars would go to an institution who while feeding the hungry is at the same time actively lobbying for the dissolution of my civil rights (such as they are) makes me physically ill."

I may not be a gay American but I feel ill over this, too. Churches take with one hand while giving with another. Churches are actively lobbying to take away a woman's right to choose, birth control pills, the civil rights of gays and even what's left of our democracy. The fact that they're also giving to the poor does not make it alright. Rewarding them will only feed the intolerance that has grown stronger over the last eight years. I'm just sick about this.

Posted by: Wilda Hughes | July 1, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: LP | July 1, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama is proving to be a major disappintment. Buyers' remorse? My inbox is brimming over with unhappy leftie netroots. Wow. Obama has flip flopped on all the major issues, FISA, NAFTA, public campaign financing, and now faith based intiatives. Separation of church and state is the way to go. Obama is a fraud. IMagine MORE public dollars being given to his toxic pastor pals Jeremiah Wright, Moss, Meeks, and Pfleger? Yikes. What a trashy bunch.

The Obamarama has been a media driven illusion.

Obama is neither qualified or electable.

The Dems have a chance to rectify this unfortuate situation at the DNC convention in late August by nominating Hillary Clinton who has won the popular vote and has won MORE votes than ANY candidate of ANY party in history. Hillary rocks. Until then, Obama is simply the PRESUMPTIVE nominee who is behaving in a very presumptive manner. Let the long overdue vetting of Obama finally begin... A day is an eternity in politics, anything can and likely will happen.

Posted by: JH | July 1, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the Republicans' worst fear: a person who is out to help all of America rather than just the big oil and wealthy, and a person who is not afraid to fight back against Republican slanders and deceptions. This is the beginning of a new era of the Democratic party. God Bless America! Obama 2008!

Posted by: Mark | July 1, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

do you know which president served five others in appointed positions?

http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/07/wed-like-to-tha.html

Posted by: tomabrahams | July 1, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

If you want Beer prices to go up the same way Oil has during the Bush years, you should vote for McCain.

Since I want my beer to be affordable, I'm voting for Obama.

Yes, I am a beerist.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama entire adult life has been involved in servicing the poor and working people. I figured he would keep the government funded charity program. Obama is all about improving the lives of all American citizens. When he becomes President its no end to what his accomplishments will be. He will go down in God Book as a Just leader who served well. May God bless you Obama.

Posted by: lclon | July 1, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse


Oh, now people alleging to be Democrats are as worried about McCain's sex life as the Republicans were about Bill Clinton's. These are the new, improved Democrats who, in their millions, are going to elect Obama all by themselves with no help from Clinton supporters. Indeed, they invite us to join the Republicans.

These "Democrats" are also sexist, classist and ageist. Racism is the only sin from which they refrain. Guess what? In ten years, when all you Obamabots are Republicans, we will still be Democrats. Enjoying Hillary's second term.

In the meantime, we will be sitting out McCain's four years.

Posted by: Chicago1 | July 1, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

"When McCain was finally released in 1973, his first wife, Carol, had not seen him for six years, and had herself had a terrible car accident.

McCain embarked on a series of affairs, the last one with Cindy Hensley, the daughter of an Arizona beer baron, who he met at a military function in Hawaii in 1979.

They were married a year later, one month after he divorced his disabled wife, Carol. McCain married in to political power.

Cindy's wealthy and well-connected father offered a gateway into Arizona's business and political elite. At first, McCain toyed with a career working for his father-in-law, perhaps in PR. But soon the political world opened up in the form of a vacant congressional seat."

What an honorable man, McCain is!


Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Its funny to see all the fake support for Hillary, from Republicans trying to undermine Obama.

Republicans seem to be dishonest at heart.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Even with bucket loads of money dumped on TV ads and all the liberals stumping for him, I predict Obama will lose by a landslide.

Every day brings new revelations about Obama that are not complimentary and do not instill confidence and respect.

In addition to being unqualified and having long time associations with nefarious characters, he flip-flops on just about everything issue. He is anti-women, paying his female staffers $7000 LESS than male staffers. In contrast McCain has more women senate staffers and they earn almost $2500 MORE than their male counterparts. And, a female Obama staffer earns $10,000 LESS than a female McCain staffer. Moreover, while not having the courage to say things himself, he instructs his surrogates/followers to use thug-like tactics to shut his opponents down, starting with Alice Palmer, then Hillary Clinton and now John McCain. His supporters have called John McCain a war criminal and have posted images of My Lai. His thugs are using trickery to shut down anti-Obama sites. I predict massive voter suppression in November.

NOBAMA, not now, not ever.

Go PUMA. Go Hillary.

Hillary 2008, 2012

Posted by: alee21 | July 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama is trying to buy votes, for he has no faith, just look at the HATE church he whent to, and The HATE SPEWING minister that was his mentor for more than 20yrs. As his mentor(REV WRIGHT) stated -Obama is just A politicion that will tell you whatever you want to hear to get your vote.... Then the FLIP FLOPING will come when you try to hold him to his wourd....

But he cares less for he has his disciples(the kool-aid drinker) standing ready to brand any that dare to Question him A racist,or stupid.
P.S. OBAMA NOT THINKS GAY MARRAGE IS GRATE,CLAMES TO HAVE ALWAYS SUPPORTED IT !!! WERE IS HIS FAITH NOW????

Posted by: real world | July 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: priscilla420 | July 1, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

OMG - This man's opportunism has no boundaries.

This is the guy who taught Constitutional Law. Can you believe this one!

He is now about to throw one of our most sacred democratic principles under the bus - separation of government and religion.

It's not as if Obama's stripes are invisible. Anyone who votes for him, deserves what they get.

The warning signs of this guy's lack of principles get more prominent every day.

I hope God will help us, if he makes it to the WH.

Posted by: Lesley | July 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

CAN WE EXPECT MORE OF THE SAME? Over the last 15 years,United Trinity Church of Christ has received at least $15 million in grants from the federal government Wright believes things like the government-funded programs are a necessary compensation for the legacy of white racism, part of what's necessary to heal the wounds inflicted over four centuries on blacks.....
CONYERS HOPES TO MOVE SLAVERY BILL DURING AN OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. Conyers sponsors *HR 40 Slave Reparations Bill
After waiting nearly two decades, Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) is in a better position to move legislation that could lead the federal government to apologize for slavery and pay reparations in the Obama administration.

The Bush administration indicated opposition to Conyers's bill in 2001, when then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said living African-Americans should not be paid for the wrongs of slavery.

*The H.R. 40, was chosen by Conyers as a symbol of the 40 acres and a mule that the U.S. initially promised freed slaves

Posted by: 07001 | July 1, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama had better watch out, St. Peter tried to be all things for all pwople. He ended up being crucified. It is never too wise to try to be more then you are. We have a president now that thinks he is another Napoleon. Come to think of it he might end up on an island somewhere at that.

Posted by: Old Coot | July 1, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Honorable man VS car salesman

PLEASE WAKE UP AMERICANS....A vote for the car salesman is a vote for REZKO, Wright, Ayers, and Farahkhan...He is an empty suit; he can say anything to get elected. This rookie is a big PHONY. ....I'm tired of all his rhetoric.....The more I listen to this guy the more I don't trust him......Pls don't be fooled....

Remember Muslim's sons are for life. Blood is sticker than water. He can say any thing and he can run, BUT he can not hide.

Please don't be fooled by a car salesman. ....As a patriotic American; I don't care if you are a Democrat or Republican, we deserve an honorable man like Sen. McCain.

Posted by: glimes | July 1, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Now that's audacious! He is carrying his "I can do no wrong" aura to the next level, but proposing policies of the previous president that everybody knew were wrong. I can't wait to see the next disastrous policy he rehabilitates simply by putting his name on it!

Posted by: bkp | July 1, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

A prior post stated "Errrr, yeah, digging UP considering he beat Clinton and is beating McCain. It's not surprising that he agreed with Hillary on most of the issues considering they are both moderate, mainstream Democrats. Duh."

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BO a moderate??..Give me a break.....his voting record his in lock step with the far far far left....about the only person to his left is D Kuncinich...so please..calling BO a moderate? he's never taken issue with any vote - that he has voted on within the Dem party...at least McCain deoes not always March in step with the repubs...he has shown at least same brass as opposed to BO ...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Not all preachers like Obama


Tell me where he is even a little bit wrong.
Mac Daddy...Obamas' a Mack Daddy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related

Check him out on the Joyce Foundation
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderProfile.asp?fndid=5310
He's gonna take your guns
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:s.02433:
$485 billion wealth {read 'reparations' or better yet 'revenge'} redistribution with the Executive branch given huge new extra - constitutional powers

Posted by: Bob Fanning | July 1, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and the PUMAs have Obama and McCain right where she wants them.

Posted by: On to Denver | July 1, 2008 3:47 PM

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Glad to know she wanted herself to lose, just like the rest of us.

Good job PUMAs! Do you all plan to open a shirt ironing business or a torture device factory now?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Your PUMA is no match for my Chicago Bear.

GRRR yourself.

Posted by: Susan | July 1, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

having muslim relatives does not make you muslim. Having relatives that believe one way does not mean you believe the same. Pretty weak trying to associate Obama with muslims.

As for the comment "no one of color in the white house", I would bet you didn't want a women there either.

Posted by: 1paperclip | July 1, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh weema way oh weema way oh weema way oh weema way
The PUMA sleeps tonight!

Posted by: On to Denver | July 1, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and the PUMAs have Obama and McCain right where she wants them. We PUMAs are waiting for the precise moment to strike. Hillary in 08. Grrrr. Hear the PUMA growl. Grrrr

Posted by: On to Denver | July 1, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

lets not for get this..

"I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers' house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress," said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the informal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. "[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor."

Obama and Palmer "were both there," he said.

The Chicago Three: Obama, Ayers & Rezko

Obama's 'Weatherman' Connection

Obama was starting his political career -- making a visit to the Ayers home while running for a state Senate seat, and then agreeing to being on panels with him and serve on a foundation board together -- it was no big deal, or any deal, to any local political reporters or to the editorial boards of the Sun-Times or Tribune.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/obama_seen_..._muslim_oversea.html

Obama's brother is a devout Muslim & other connections to Islam

When is Obama going to come out of the closet?

Gettin' Scary! Obama campaigned for Radical Muslim's overhrow of sovereign Democratic state!

Barack Obama's Connections to the Nation of Islam

Obama, Odinga & Kenyan Jihad

Barack Hussein Obama's cousin Odinga Obama is a Radical Muslim Terrorist in Kenya and he has close connection. Watch the REUTERS International report. Is this report another Barack Hussein Obama's TERRORIST links?


Obama's Hijab Women Connected to Radical Groups

His stepfather, who had a much greater impact on Obama's upbringing, was a radical Wahabbi Muslim.

Rashid Khalidi



here are the people that Ali Baba Obama wants to sit down and "talk"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc... target="_blank">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410

Posted by: maggieb | July 1, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

No people of color in the WHITE House
Go McCain

Posted by: Proud GOP | July 1, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Barracky Hussein Obama is sounding more and more like a conservative Republican every day - I feel so sorry for the Democrats. Only 7 more months until President Barracky Hussein Obama's muslim summit.

Posted by: mike | July 1, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

If there are charitable programs run by various religious institutions that provide services that mirror or enhance those of government programs, then it would be reasonable to offer a tax deduction to people who want to donate to these specific programs. It would require a religious institution to submit it's program for review and approval as a tax deductible charity and would also require them to go directly to the community to raise their funds. In this way, the people within given communities can see if a difference is being made or not and decide whether to continue funding such programs on an individual basis.

To offer federal tax funds directly to these charities, however, is a definite breach of the separation of church and state. I am a gay american and the idea that my tax dollars would go to an institution who while feeding the hungry is at the same time actively lobbying for the dissolution of my civil rights (such as they are) makes me physically ill.

Posted by: kjohndwyer | July 1, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Sure, Obama. Maybe you could arm these groups and have them 'execute' child rapists. Gee, there's something for everyone in Obamaland.

His religious experience here: Wright and Pfleger. Pretty narrow.

Posted by: Chicago1 | July 1, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Unconstitutional. Bush used aid to christen charities, to help jesus churches, while not helping out say buddist and islamic churches. Even though this may seem innocent, and may be on many levels, church and state are not meant to join hands on this slippery slope.

Posted by: YR | July 1, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I have supported Obama in the past. While I continue to support him now, I am becoming concerned about some of his more recent positions. When Bush first proposed assistance to faith-based "social programs," I considered that to be a very bad idea and little has happened to change my opinion. Separation of church and state is one of the fundamental pillars of our republic. We should not slowly undermine the vary foundations of our system of governance. Social programs that are supported by public funds should not in any way be delivered by or under the umbrella of religious organizations.

Communities throughout the country can doubtless benefit from better managed and even new social programs, but the sole motivation for such initiatives should be to improve community quality of life. Such public initiatives however should not be proposed or created for political reasons.

Posted by: CharacterCounts1 | July 1, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

On to Denver cried: "I am PUMA. Hear me growl. Grrrrr!"

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Sorry but we're not worried or interested in indulging your hysterical, irrational dingbat lunatic fringe.

Just do us all a favor and switch to the Republican party. We don't want you. We don't need you, and the millions of new (and better) Democrats Obama brought in will swamp your pathetic little protest.

You lost. Move on.

Posted by: Shawn | July 1, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I am PUMA. Hear me growl. Grrrrr!

Posted by: On to Denver | July 1, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

And how much is the allocation for Father Pfleger's "community action program" which Obama supported financially as an Illnois Senator?

Posted by: Mary May King | July 1, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

We PUMAs are simply biding our time and waiting for the moment to strike. Barry would be wise to offer Hillary the VP, or better yet offer to serve as her VP. Beware the PUMA Bama!

Posted by: On to Denver | July 1, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I love Hillary and I respect her. I hope that all her supporters will honor her wishes as I have and support Obama. I don't like him the way I did Hillary but this election and the country is too important to put the Republicans in office for another 4 years. Hopefully he will come to the conclusion that she will make the best VP. Many in the media are coming to this conclusion. However, it has to be his choice. We can not force him in anyway to choose her. It is his decision to choose anyone he wants. Even though we know she would be the best choice for VP, he has to come to that conclusion on his own.

Posted by: 1paperclip | July 1, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse


peace4world wrote: "Obama is digging his own hole by himself--deeper and deeper.

Let him enjoy digging, digging, and digging."
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Errrr, yeah, digging UP considering he beat Clinton and is beating McCain. It's not surprising that he agreed with Hillary on most of the issues considering they are both moderate, mainstream Democrats. Duh.

Whatever he's doing, it's working....but don't let REALITY get in the way of your stupidity. Durrrrr.

Posted by: Shawn | July 1, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Re: Obama's Dig

Throughout 16 months, Obama copied Hillary's policies and crafted it with his rhetorical eloquence--to present it as if it were his own.

Throughout 22 debates, Obama repeatedly agreed with Hillary by identifying himself with her positions and by presenting his policies as "similar to Hillary's positions and arguments." All voters concluded their positions are similar--no differences.

Now Obama is copying Bush's Faith Initiative? Give me break.

Obama is digging his own hole by himself--deeper and deeper.

Let him enjoy digging, digging, and digging.

Posted by: peace4world | July 1, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse


Sorry Jack Straw, but you can't mock away the fact that the majority of Americans prefer Obama over McSame on the issues.

How has that whole 'messiah' nonsense worked out so far? Oh, yeah. Obama is spanking McSame, so PLEASE keep it up, douchey.

Posted by: sequoia | July 1, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

As someone who has worked for social service agencies for years, I was truly hoping this initiative would expire, rather than being expanded.

I have no issue with faith-based initiatives, but feel they should be funded by the congregations interested in doing outreach and providing help.

Previously, agencies funded by the government followed strict discrimination guidelines and religion was not allowed in service provision. With the advent of funding for faith based initiatives, those agencies face funding cuts every year - at a time when the need is rising.

I am fortunate to live in a community with many organizations to help those with needs. It is true, however, that all of the faith-based orgs do have a religious component to them, and for some, it is very uncomfortable. They need the help, but have to take the religion with it.

It was better when congregations did their work their way and government funded agencies were entirely secular. People were less reluctant to seek help.

Posted by: Susan | July 1, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I will always support helping the poor in anyway possible but this is also very minor stuff and oh so boring. What else have you got?

Posted by: 1paperclip | July 1, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

On to Denver wrote: "The PUMAs have a secret plan to get Hillary the nomination in Denver. She and we are just waiting like a puma, silently stalking, for the moment to stike. Go PUMAs against sexism and facism and all the other isms! Hillary 08! We can still win! Ah hahahahaha"
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It's pretty telling that I don't know if you're being snarky or serious. Those hysterical dingbat 2-3% radical Hillary fanatics have become such a parody of themselves.

Posted by: Shawn | July 1, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

What an original idea. Now Barry pushes for a program that was instituted by Bush. Doesn't the messiah have an original thought in his head? I guess doing what Bush did is the CHANGE Barry was talking about.

Posted by: Jack Straw | July 1, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

That's right, old mclame was schtuping his current trophy wife while he was still married. And he getting hummers off that lobbyist.

Posted by: DickCabesa | July 1, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The PUMAs have a secret plan to get Hillary the nomination in Denver. She and we are just waiting like a puma, silently stalking, for the moment to stike. Go PUMAs against sexism and facism and all the other isms! Hillary 08! We can still win! Ah hahahahaha

Posted by: On to Denver | July 1, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

761-091 wrote:

"Oh no's, Obama is pandering to the Religious Zealots, what will the extreme leftists liberals in the Democratic Party think now about the messiah?"
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Sorry Douchebag, but I have no problem with federal programs that help the poor.

And by the way, I support Obama because I agree with him more than McCain on the issues, but whatever makes you feel better about your loser dud of a candidate.

I LOVE that it scares you. Maybe if anybody actually liked your candidate you'd have a shot in hell. Ha Ha.


Posted by: sequoia | July 1, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone who has been posting about this article actually understands the issue at hand --

Obama isn't going to start handing money our to churches and synagogues to help the poor -- the program in question allows religious organizations that run programs helping those in need to APPLY for funds that were once only eligible to non-religious nonprofits (EX: Church X runs a soup kitchen/shelter -- they should have the chance to apply for unds once restricted to non-religious organizations). My guess is that McCain would favor this program too, since in reality it doesn't make a huge difference -- it just means that an already inadequate amount of money the government had once given to secular nonprofits is now being distributed amongst more players.

If Obama had come out against this already existing program, the same people who were already posting because they didn't like Obama in the first place would be complaining that Obama won't fund their church's charity work.

Know the issues before you criticize...

Posted by: Rachel | July 1, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama has good intentions and that cannot be neglected. As a politician, he is trying to reach out to the larger faith-based communities, and there is nothing wrong with that. Faith does anchor many people and to support such organizations would perhaps help develop the western regions. I'm supporting Obama for President! Please visit WhyObama08.org!!!

Posted by: Aiken Blue | July 1, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Nice to hear a politician speaking about God and helping people. We need more of it.

Posted by: DenisR | July 1, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Few examples of Obama's spending spree is going to pay for health insurance for everybody, college education for everybody, and now subsidized the faith base programs. How about buying every American an electric power car, and let's just throw math and logic out the window.

Posted by: theaz | July 1, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks that this program actually helps people sperad the gospel is crazy. The government needs to stay out of my church and fix the roads. Thats all we need ..the government telling christians who to hire,fire and what we can say and cant say all in the name of "tolerance". And to all of you hateful liberals who have nothing positive to say.....take a look in the mirror before you slam people who love God. Just because someone claims to be a christian and is a jerk doesnt mean they represent God. If you are truly unbiased,look at how the prisons who allow christians to come in and share the gospel
the violence decreases dramatically. God gives people real hope where as secularism gives people a dead end.

Posted by: Obama=socialist | July 1, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

well stated Richard.

Posted by: me | July 1, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Check out this hilarious parody of Obama's volunteers denying two Muslim women seats behind the podium at a rally.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOgrdrjWKdk

Posted by: Cat | July 1, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Just another way for the Reverend Wright's of the world to screw the federal govenment. Wait, aren't these the same people who blamed the American Government for AIDS and now they want us to publicly finance them.... Wake up America....

Posted by: LAMM01 | July 1, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

You can't hire for a religious organization based on religion or other factors? Does that seem normal? This proposal seems like a potential set up for all sorts of chaos whenever the first person sues for discrimination in hiring (i.e. a Muslim not being hired for a position at a Jewish organization, or a homosexual being hired at a Christian organization). I feel that a religious group, holding to their like-beliefs, should be able to employ individuals who share in what they believe. "Nor could federal funds be used to prosletyze or spread religious beliefs."
If funded by the government, these groups would not be able to promote their religion at all... doesn't seem quite right since this is the call for many, to share it.

Posted by: me | July 1, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Government funding for faith-based organizations is a worthless oxymoron. By accepting funding, these organizations would have to sacrifice any ability to spread their faith and would be unable to weed out people who would undermine their attempts to spread their faith. It would defeat the entire purpose. This is not an effort to gain support of evangelicals, because no evangelical would be able to, in good conscience, accept the money.

Posted by: Richard | July 1, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama's run to the right is about to cost him my support.

Posted by: Gary Hurd | July 1, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

From the Liberty Tree, written by Jake Morphonios
Ron Paul, John McCain and Adultery [redacted]

Vicki Iseman wasn't the first [for McCain], and she won't be the last. Shocking details of John McCain's history. How could the Republican party choose an adulterer to represent them after the way they ripped Bill Clinton apart for the same thing?

In 1965 John McCain, a member of the US Navy, married an attractive model named Carol Shepp. In 1967 McCain was sent to Vietnam. It didn't take long before McCain was shot down and taken prisoner. Carol waited faithfully for McCain during his imprisonment. In 1969, Carol was in a terrible car crash. She was thrown through the windshield and suffered serious injuries. But Carol would not allow her POW husband to be notified of what had happened to her because she didn't want him to feel any additional stress. She stood by her man, alone, for the 5 years he was in prison.

McCain was released in 1973 and returned home to find that Carol's accident had "left her 4 inches shorter and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight." [4] McCain no longer had a trophy wife he could feel proud of.

By the late 70's McCain had engaged in adulterous behaviors, as chronicled in the book "The Nightingale's Song" by Robert Timberg. Timberg wrote:

"Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates. At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona, impossible not to take note of."

In 1979 John McCain met Cindy Lou Hensley at a military reception in Hawaii. [1] Cindy was a millionaire and very attractive. McCain was eighteen years older than the wealthy Hensley, but that didn't stop him from developing an adulterous relationship with her. [2]

McCain says of their first meeting, "She was lovely, intelligent and charming, 18 years my junior but poised and confident. I monopolized her attention the entire time, taking care to prevent anyone else from intruding on our conversation. When it came time to leave the party, I persuaded her to join me for drinks at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel. By the evening's end, I was in love."

Knowing that Cindy's father had extensive business and political contacts [3], McCain decided to abandon his first wife and marry Cindy. McCain divorced Carol in April 1980 and immediately married Cindy the next month, May 17th. With the Hensley fortune and connections, McCain ran for Congress in 1982. He craved power and has been on a course to secure ultimate control ever since.

A man that cannot be faithful to a loving, self-sacrificing wife cannot be trusted to be faithful to the American people. Bill Clinton taught us that. This week the New York Times reported that during his previous Presidential run in 2000, McCain may have had an inappropriate relationship with the young and lovely lobbyist, Vicki Iseman. The public, not knowing McCain's history of adultery, responded to the NY Times as if they had to be making the story up. NOW what do you think?

Images are all over the internet of Cindy McCain standing at her husband's side as he denied reports of committing adultery with yet another young influential woman.

I wonder what Cindy was thinking.

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 1, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Bleah! We don't need another Witch-Doctor in Chief, we've done that already. Enough with the religious pandering, there's no reason "faith" groups should have any more access to govt. money or sanction than any other type of group. I like Obama! I want to vote for him, but the more he courts fundies, the less appealing he becomes.

Posted by: Reb | July 1, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Bleah! We don't need another Witch-Doctor in Chief, we've done that already. Enough with the religious pandering, there's no reason "faith" groups should have any more access to govt. money or sanction than any other type of group. I like Obama! I want to vote for him, but the more he courts fundies, the less appealing he becomes.

Posted by: Reb | July 1, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I am very Very happy to finally have a man running for President that I can get behind 100%!!!!
We need a thoughtful, intelligent leader. This guy Obama is wonderful. If it wasn't for our sleazy political attitude of degrading everyone who tries to do something good, I think even you, 'Antonio-Ben-Joe-David' would see it!!
(All the same guy using different names!)

Posted by: Leslie | July 1, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

What's next? A theocracy? What about trash evolution and teach intelligent design in class? This guy has gone closer and closer to the Bush/Rove path to the white house.

Posted by: God Father | July 1, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Ethan - At least Obama didn't have an adulterous fling like McBush did. McBush was skrewing his bimbo second wife while married to his first wife who had been injured in a car accident! What a guy!

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 1, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

It looks like Barack has truly learned to politick. He is still not quite as bad as his former competitor, the Lady Clinton, but he has shown that he is no longer the Obama of last year, but the Obama that fights dirty, that sells out, that panders unmitigatedly. The man who only goes to church with a battery of flashbulbs is wearing his faith on his lapel.

Posted by: Ethan | July 1, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

So the slogan of "hope and change" means a continuation of tax based faith programs of the current administration?

Posted by: Lee | July 1, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I want Obama to pay my religious organization $5 million a year to help the poor. My religious organization? The Church of Daddio on the Paddio. The poor? ME!

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 1, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

obama,seems to be gluing the cards face down on the table where you can't see them for what they really are,now you see it now you don't.

Posted by: chuck | July 1, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

He better not mean this! After reading the article, I think that would be major BS. Hiring someone based on religional purposes, are you out of your mind? I hope he doesn't mean this because this seriously spells trouble for people who work extremely hard and are trying make a future for themselves and if they a have a family, them too! Bias BS

Posted by: Antonio | July 1, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

That head line is totally irresponsible. Although the first line does explain what is going on. Editor: pull your head out of your ass!

Posted by: Ben | July 1, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

All people and all organizations (secular and religious) need to work together. The first order of business is popuilation control. Everything else is like putting a bandaid on a jugular wound.

Posted by: joe | July 1, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Not just John DiIulio, but also David Keo:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/29/opinion/29kuo.html
The Faith to Outlast Politics
By DAVID KUO and JOHN J. DIIULIO Jr.
Published: January 29, 2008

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/160/story_16092_1.html
Shooting from the Heart
David Kuo
Please, Keep Faith
Former Bush Aide: 'Minimal commitment' from the White House plus Democratic hostility hinder the faith-based plan

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15228489/
Book says Bush just using Christians
'Tempting Faith' author David Kuo worked for Bush from 2001 to 2003

Posted by: Tom J | July 1, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Oh no's, Obama is pandering to the Religious Zealots, what will the extreme leftists liberals in the Democratic Party think now about the messiah?

Posted by: 761-091 | July 1, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"But my experience in Chicago showed me how faith and values could be an anchor in my life."

Experiences in Chicago? What does that mean? Does the Reverend Jeremiah Wright not get any credit for giving you the Audacity of Hope any more? I personally don't agree with the message of Rev. Wright - filling the minds of his congregation with racism, sexism, anti-Americanism from behind the pulpit. PST San Francisco liberal, affluent elitists - this is just so much political posturing. Don't worry, Obama is just being pragmatic; he doesn't really mean this.

Posted by: David | July 1, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

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