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Sen.Barack Obama (D-Ill.), speaks during a town hall meeting at McEachern High School in Powder Springs, Ga. July 8, 2008. (Reuters)

By Anne E. Kornblut
POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. -- Sen. Barack Obama on Tuesday broadly dismissed recent stories that he is moving toward the political center, saying he has always held certain centrist views -- on encouraging faith, on the right of individuals to own guns -- and that attempts to portray him otherwise are the work of cynics.

One supporter, a self-declared "reformed Republican," asked Obama at a town hall meeting to describe his true position on Iraq, following a spate of stories saying Obama is changing his position.

Obama, egged on by a raucous audience, said he would like to address "this whole notion that I am shifting to the center, or that I am flip-flopping."

"The people who say this apparently haven't been listening to me," Obama said. "And I have to say, some of them are my friends on the left and some of the media, I am somebody who is no doubt progressive." He listed ways he says he is progressive -- on providing universal health care coverage, increased teacher pay -- but then said that on other matters he believes in "personal responsibility" and faith.

On Iraq, Obama declared unequivocally his commitment to withdrawal, making no reference to his statement last week that he could "refine" his strategy after taking office.

"I have also consistently said, once we were in, we had to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in, because once you get in, you've got to make sure our troops are safe," he said. "You've got to make sure the country doesn't collapse so what I've called for is a phased withdrawal, a phased redeployment." He continued: "Now, assuming that I take office in January, then that means that we would still have our troops there for about two more year from now. There's nothing rushed about that... When I hear John McCain saying we can't surrender, we can't wave the white flag -- nobody's talking about surrender. We're talking about common sense."

Obama said: "I am going to bring this war to an end. So don't be confused: I am going to bring the Iraq war to a close when I am president of the United States of America."

Campaigning here just outside Atlanta, Obama continued to declare sharp differences with McCain on the economy. He announced new measures to assist people filing for bankruptcy -- including helping the debt-strapped elderly keep their homes and military service members avoid red tape.

Obama is moving aggressively to portray McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, as an out-of-touch extension of the Bush administration on economic issues. In his remarks here on Tuesday, Obama also pushed back against accusations that he would raise taxes on middle class workers.

"I want to be very clear here, because John McCain and the Republicans have been saying things that simply are not true. So let me just be absolutely clear: If you are a family making $250,000 a year or less -- $250,000 a year or less -- we will not raise your taxes," Obama said. "Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax. Not any tax. If you make $250,000 a year or less -- now let me just throw in, how many people does that include?"
Most of the people in the room laughed and raised their hands.

Obama, spotting one audience member who did not, said: "If you're doing better than that, then you know, we're still raising money for the campaign."

"There's a wealthy guy here," he said, with a smile.

Obama's new provisions would reduce or erase means testing for military families who seek bankruptcy protections, and speed up the bankruptcy process for people who file after a medical emergency. It would also grant homestead exemptions to people who live in any of the 25 states that do not protect people's primary residences during bankruptcy, or provide little protection, according to Elizabeth Warren, an economic adviser to the Obama campaign. It would not be a federal homestead exemption, per se, but would be a "minimum homestead for a family that is equal to the median housing value in that person's state," Warren said. Warren and Neera Tanden, a former Clinton policy adviser now working for Obama, held a conference call with reporters to outline the measures.

By Web Politics Editor  |  July 8, 2008; 12:05 PM ET
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Your campaign is getting hammered, on the fringes of the blogosphere. The whispers are of disappointment and "another stale" politician. I myself am becoming disheartened. I had hoped that once in my 50 years living in America, there would be a politician that was "bright and substantive".

The recent press says you support illegal wiretapping, that you are now entertaining thoughts of "vague or undefined" durations of the Iraq Occupation. I ordered a bumper sticker today "DARE TO HOPE - PREPARE TO BE DISAPPOINTED".

Austin, Texas

Posted by: Allen S | July 9, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

You have to be either blind or stupid to not see that Obama has been shifting his positions on major issues. He didn't do this during the primary. The thing that I have a problem with Obama is that he will do this on a regular basis as president. Four years of flip-flopping on decisions that affect the lives of each and every Americans would be too much for any of us to handle.

Posted by: Johnathan | July 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama can pretend that his positions haven't changed but he is wrong. He has flip flopped big time on 3 major issues, and one minor one.

1, Jerusalem as capitol of Israel

2, Time table for end of Iraq war.

3, Public Campaign financing.

and the minor one:

4, I love/loathe Rev. Wright

and these are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. I don't have a problem with candidates changing their views, but this idea that anyone who thinks he's flip flopped just hasn't been paying attention is total baloney.

Obama should just be straight with people and say, look I changed my mind. If he were the candidate his supporters think he is then that is what he would have done.

Posted by: DCDave | July 9, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Let's stay in Iraq forever (at least until all of our kids are dead). That's what will happen if McCain gets elected. We will end up nuking Iran (or being nuked by them). Elect McCain and prepare for the end.

Obama 2008

Posted by: Dan P | July 9, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, Obama does not listen to himself talk. That should be a lesson for all of us. While he talks & talks & talks,
let us turn away from him & the flip-flop changing of his views, as he becomes more & more like Bush. Let us look for a candidate who does not flip-flop or pander for votes, someone we can put more faith in. Is there such a candidate?

Posted by: afed27 | July 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow the liberals posting in the thread do support the notion that the people are not smart enough to make their own decisions. However there are those of us who are and don't want your nanny state.

JFK wanted government run health care because "the average american does not know what is best for them." Liberals since then push the nanny state and their supporters don't even realize the liberal politicians doing this think they're as dumb as a box of rocks.

JC is right on regarding drilling and conservation. The answer long term is alternative energy and conservation but we need a REALISTIC transition plan including nuclear, drilling and refineries. I know it sucks when reality gets in the way of idealist eutopia but ideals don't produce energy.

Democrats do nothing but make promises on energy policy will increase costs and decrease standard of living. I wish the sheep who have been brought into the liberal fold for extremist politics the last 10 years can at least see some reason.

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Hello Folks:

Obama disowned his pastor and Church, and now he is offering Faith Initiative. Since July 1, he has become a Catholic!

Posted by: Premier | July 9, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"I have also consistently said, once we were in, we had to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in, because once you get in, you've got to make sure our troops are safe," he said. "You've got to make sure the country doesn't collapse so what I've called for is a phased withdrawal, a phased redeployment."

This is a far cry from, " When I am President I will have all our troops out of Iraq within sixteen months, starting with a withdrawal rate of two brigades a month."

And Obama supporters see Barrack as something new, bringing change to politics, and to the process of government. Clearly he is a calculating politician and those calculations started back in Chicago with his mentor Emil Jones.

Barrack is quoted as saying to Jones, "You have the power to make a US Senator." After some thought, Jones is quoted as replying, " Do you have someone in mind?" "Me", replied Obama.

Next thing you Barrack Hussein Obama is the keynote speaker at the 2004 DNC Convention being hailed as the DNC's " new rising star."

So for those who think Obama is something special, maybe you should listen to someone who has known him for over twenty years. " He (Obama) is just a politician. He is doing what is politically expedient."

And the beat goes on.

Posted by: anotherview | July 9, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

If Obama keeps talking about religion and injects religion into US foreign policy, he will become a danger to world peace. Nothing makes a politician crazy like religion.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2008 5:24 AM | Report abuse

Obama is the right man for America in this hour of need. Be glad that Obama is giving us the chance to take back our country.

IF YOU KNOW WHATS GOOD FOR YOU
VOTE OBAMA 08 because McCain= WWIII.
(McCain wants to invade nuclear Iran).

Vote Obama or don't vote at all.

Posted by: MOHFARAH | July 9, 2008 4:17 AM | Report abuse

Elect Obama as the next president and the black folks with elevate him to sainthood years from now. He'll be bigger than Dr. King. His freaking birthday will be turned a national holiday. They'll shove all this up everybody's as*. Just be nice to the guy. But don't vote for him. When you look at him, you don't see the Democratic Party. You see only a guy that's obsessed about winning.

Posted by: Violet | July 9, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow.
Simple, understandable and logical comments from a politician.
Mad rantings from the masses.

Posted by: Bilco | July 9, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

...and I'm a Republican who originally supported this war.

Posted by: MP | July 9, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

I don't see Obama as the lesser of two evils. I see him as the next best thing. It's time for change, and McCain sure as hell isn't going to do that for us. As human as Obama is (god forbid,) I still will vote for him over that anal zit who is running against him.

Posted by: MP | July 9, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm so proud to say Obama will be our next president, to rescue us from Republican rule and corruption which has done nothing but wasted tax payer money in unnecessary wars and make the big oil corporations wealthier at the cost of you and me. No more, my friends, Obama is here for us!

Posted by: Don | July 9, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama is greedy. That is a big turn off.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Obama, we may not have an advanced degree from Harvard like you. But we are not stupid. The value of your words is next to zero.

Posted by: Santiago | July 9, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Obama all CHANGE all the time :

CHANGE ... what you'll have left after I raise taxes.
CHANGE ... your gas prices upwards, but gradually
CHANGE ... my hat size because every day my head gets bigger
CHANGE ... the national motto to: In Obama We Trust.
CHANGE ... what I do to my story depending upon whom I'm talking to.
CHANGE ... what I do every day to my foreign policy
CHANGE ... what I do to my trade policy depending upon whom I'm talking to
CHANGE ... your lifestyle because the rest of the world doesn't like you
CHANGE ... my friends when they turn out NOT to be "The person I knew"
CHANGE ... what my radical left-wing ideologue handlers have in store for you
CHANGE ... what I do to facts to suit my needs.
CHANGE ... my previous position in favor of gun control was 'inartful language'
CHANGE ... my pastor's screed is OK, yours isn't
CHANGE ... FISA line that we crossed but I have now moved back
CHANGE ... from public to private campaign financing because I can raise more money
CHANGE ... I'll debate John McCain anytime, anywhere; except when and where he asks me.
CHANGE ... the words of others and claim they're mine, because words count.
CHANGE ... the meaning of Bible verses to meet my own liberal world view
CHANGE ... more of you into victims of something and build government programs to take care of you
CHANGE ... you into a ward of the state so that I OWN you and your vote
CHANGE ... your mind and believe in me for I am the Obamessiah come to save you
CHANGE ... into giggling sycophants; liberal mainstream media do under the spell of the Obamessiah
CHANGE ... the chant I use to control the weak-minded Obamanized masses
CHANGE ... into an Obamatron; join the cult, repeat the chant: CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE ...
CHANGE ... what I plan to do to America because it's the greatest country on the planet.
CHANGE ... the national anthems of all the nations of the world to Kumbaya using my messianic foreign policy skills
CHANGE ... into mumble-mouthed idiot when I don't have prepared speech to read.
CHANGE ... historical facts to agree with my life story
CHANGE ... I said the DC gun ban was constitutional, but now I agree with Supreme Court ruling it unconstitutional.
CHANGE ... what I said because my rhetoric was 'overheated and amplified'
CHANGE ... I mocked Hillary during the primary, now she "rocks".
CHANGE ... I respect McCain's service to his nation, so I sent Wesley "looser" Clark out to demean him
CHANGE ... but not for us, not the left-wing liberal elite, CHANGE is for YOU.
CHANGE ... the mortgage industry is a bunch of crooks; but I got my deal
CHANGE ... I was against welfare reform until Congress passed the Welfare Reform Act, then I "invented" it in Illinois
CHANGE ... I didn't vote to censure MoveOn.org for the "General Betray Us" ad, but now that I need some Independent votes, I'll issue a rebuke.
CHANGE ... I didn't wear an American flag pin because it was substitute for true patriotism, but I do now.
CHANGE ... I support our troops, but I'll take money from anti-military, anti-American Code Stink.
CHANGE ... when I'm president, I'll immediately bring the troops home ...
CAHNGE ... I want to bring the bring the troops home by March of 2008 ...
CHANGE ... I'll bring the troops home in sixteen months ...
CHANGE ... I'll begin to withdraw troops immediately, a division or two per month ...
CHANGE ... unless I "refine" my policies.
CHANGE ... I against partial birth abortions (sucking the brain out of a baby just before it's born) unless the mother is really really bummed.
CHANGE ... anything and everything I've said or done in my life if it will help me win
CHANGE ... the definition of change to: What I say, when I say it, to whom I say it.
CHANGE ... I can CHANGE when it suits me
CHANGE ... you can believe in ... for a day or two
CHANGE ... you can't keep up with
CHANGE ... you can see through
CHANGE ... you can count on, daily ... or more often

CHANGE ... your underwear because you'll defecate in your pants when you wake up to find out what the left-wing liberal ideologues have done after gaining complete control of government.
CHANGE ... YOU better freaking BELIEVE IN because it will WORK YOU over.


Obama: the AUDACITY to count on you and I being DOPEs

HoBama, walkin' the streets for votes ... What do you wanna hear honey?

Posted by: occam | July 9, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a total fraud. He claims to be "post-racial" and then we find out he's in a black liberation theology church. He claims to be the best to bring Republicans & Democrats together, then we find out he is the most liberal Senator of all 100. He claims to be religious but then we hear him say in San Francisco (where he didn't think his words were taped) that people cling to guns & religion out of bitterness. He sounds so moderate in his language and then we find out that as a state Senator he voted against a law which mirrored a federal law banning the killing of a baby that survives an abortion.He is a complete and total fraud.

Posted by: Mario | July 8, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Nice Korblut, just repeat everything the candidate says without an analysis of whether the candidate is correct or at least giving your readers the quotes that call into question the candidates statements. Journalist? Not. Advocate. Yes!

Posted by: Straight Shooter | July 8, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

We are PuMaS. Just say Nobama! We are PuMaS, we have PMS, and we are angry! Just say no deal! No more men for president, it's time for a woman to take over. Men are evil. We are PuMaS!!!

Posted by: human race | July 8, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

DENVER WE HAVE A PROBLEM!
We are anointing the wrong candidate
for the most powerful position on the
Planet. Please Super Delegates, move
toward the Right Choice. Hillary did
not concede, she suspended.
Vote Hillary! Vote PUMA! Vote NOBAMA!

Posted by: human race | July 8, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Just like all the Democrats, Obama is running as fast as he can to the right after the primary season.
None of Clintons liberal policys were ever taken seriously and he governed to the right of center.
Liberals love to have their ears tickled with nice oratory, thats why they could stomach Ronald Reagan.
The last Democrat to go left was Carter and look where that got the country.
The general public will not allow liberal policies, even if Obama get elected.
Don't be so gullible Dems.

Posted by: bd | July 8, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

JC still is not acknowledging that there are other options, like more cleaner energy and more efficient vehicle standards. Right now China has more efficient automobile standards than the USA. China, for crying out loud! How is that possible? One answer: BUSH!

Posted by: Mark Baity | July 8, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a fake and will say or do anything to get votes and get elected. Obama's dishonesty is astounding.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 8, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

JC seems like the typical gop dufus. He listens to right-wing radio, then goes out and parrots them. Nice Jc, another gop idiot. Get real, the Obama Movement will bury John "Grampy" McSame.

Posted by: athensman | July 8, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Denver ... we have a problem.

Posted by: mpwynn@spro.net | July 8, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

gtg. Had a good time with the discussions.

Take care

JC

Posted by: JC | July 8, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Funny, oil and gasoline prices are up all over the world. China and India are using hundreds of times what they used 10 years ago, and it's all Bush's fault. One other point: Every Republican I have heard on the many news shows (I am a news junky) believes we should conserve and drill. Democrats, on the other hand, refuse to increase our domestic oil supply, and want to stake the entire future of our country on the Prius. We have to do BOTH! Why is that so difficult to understand????

Posted by: JC | July 8, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

JC said: "I don't think you will ever come out ahead comparing Bush to Clinton."

Republicans live in their own imaginary world! Just remember this type of "logic" come November!

Posted by: Mark Baity | July 8, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Clinton left office in the middle of the tech bust. Bush's tax cuts saved us from a severe recession. Then came 9-11, and the UN's refusal to enforce 17 resolutions against Saddam. Only in the last few months has the economy struggled because of the mortgage crisis and oil price problems. I know your hatred doesn't allow you to think straight, but I think someday he will be talked about in the same breath with Washington and Lincoln. Clinton, on the other hand, leaves a legacy of Monica. I don't think you will ever come out ahead comparing Bush to Clinton.

Posted by: JC | July 8, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

PS: JC is a typical Republican, all he understands for reducing oil costs is drilling holes in environmentally sensitive areas. He has no vision on how reduced demand by developing more efficient vehicles and alternative energy can reduce oil costs. He refuses to acknowledge that Bush style threats in the middle east rather than diplomacy have had an effect on the price of oil. You have to understand that these Republicans have a very narrow vision and very low IQ.

Posted by: Tim Baity | July 8, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Why Mr. Obama denied that he is not shifting to the center? That's the message you sent to us and that's what we understand. Now, is he saying "we don't listen right!"

Posted by: Peter Truong | July 8, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

JC said: "So Dan P, just did Bush cause high global oil prices?"

Well, let's take a closer look. He challenged the California zero emissions program in the supreme court (a lawsuit that lasted many years which he eventually lost), he cut down any investment in alternative energy, he started a war with Iraq causing instability on the middle east, he challenged Iran with threats rather than diplomacy, he turned Chavez into a huge enemy which gave Chavez more power when he retaliated with reduced oil production, etc.... Yes, I'd say Bush and his cronies have had a pretty big influence in oil prices today!

Posted by: Mark Baity | July 8, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

So, Obama's views haven't changed? What a liar! He used and misused words throughout the primaries to knock out the competition, all while fooling his many supporters! People, get real! The results of 2000-2008, the condition of our nation has been at one of it's lowest in history due to Bush's policies. The latest congress' low poll results, that's due to the effects of the 6 years prior when the republicans controlled it. McCain is a moderate who at least has experience...an actual resume. Barack will talk all about McCain because he really can't defend his own record from the days of Chicago politics up until his brief stint in Washington. This former dem turned independent will vote McCain. The dems will increase their majority in House and Senate. Obama's agenda, which is all about Obama and power, is not good for America. McCain will at least be forced to work with the dem majority!

Posted by: NYSmike | July 8, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

JC, Actually I'm 48.
All you have to do is look at where we were when Clinton left office and then look at the toilet we're drowning in now.

Posted by: Dan P | July 8, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

So Dan P, just did Bush cause high global oil prices? Was he the one who refused to explore for more oil? Maybe he shot down refineries and nuclear plants. You better write your democratic representative or senator and express your opinions. They are mostly responsible for the prices. Bush has nothing to do with them. And the news (you probably don't pay attention to news) shows that things in Iraq are going very well. You must be another youngster mentioned in previous posts

Posted by: JC | July 8, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Look at what the knucklehead in the White House has done to our country over the last 8 years. $5.00 a gallon is coming soon. We have lost more kids in the war than we lost on 9/11, not to mention that we are now in a deficit that we may never be able to recover from. I almost vomited when he was elected a second time. If McBush gets elected I may have to shoot myself.

Wake Up America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dan P | July 8, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Nice post, Yellow Dog. I feel that anyone who follows the candidates, listens to what they say, and makes a decision based upon their personal beliefs, should vote for whomever they please. You seem to fit that pattern, and although I don't agree with your vote, I certainly respect your opinions and your vote. I am mostly disgusted with those who follow one-sided rhetoric (or none at all), and try to make points on these blogs. And I include dittoheads as well as left-wing blog readers. Everyone complains about low voter turnout, but I think that too many people vote!

Posted by: JC | July 8, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

There is some truth to what BO says. Those who were paying close attention during the primary campaign know that he made few commitments. Most voters bought his empty rhetoric during the primary race. However, there are certainly a number of very important issues on which he has definitely changed his position for the general campaign: (1) He now supports retroactive immunity for telecoms that engaged in illegal surveillance of law-abiding Americans when he said specifically that he opposed it in the past. (2) He said he would accept public campaign finance if the Republican nominee would. Now he says he won't even though McCain will do so. (3) He completed and signed a questionnaire about gun control that he has since disavowed. (4) He has supported unlimited rights of women to choose to give birth and now proposes limits on that right. (5) He proposed a higher cap on income subject to SS tax of $149,000. Now he wants to raise that cap to $250,000. Could that have anything to do w/ refusing the accept public campaign financing? Doesn't seem like a coincidence to me.

However, those who were paying close attention to the primary race are not surprised by his pandering to non-Democrats. He as much as said that he would in order to "bridge the partisan divide" (some would say in order to win). Throughout the primary race, I saw BO as a smart, ambitious politician who devised a winning strategy for the primary. Nothing more, perhaps a great deal less.

BO is now gambling that he can pander to evangelicals and swing voters without losing those who voted for him during the primary. We shall see if that is a winning strategy for the general campaign.

I am still planning to vote for him, but I reserve my right to change my mind, just as he does on a daily basis.

Posted by: Yellow Dog | July 8, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

You brought up corruption. I suppose you have some proof of Bush corruption. I only stated that Obama was raised in a corrupt political environment. If you want proof of Chicago corruption, I could list maybe thousands of incidents, but I did not say that Obama was a party to any of it. There is no proof of any Bush corruption to which you refer. (Please don't insult our intelligence by mentioning the trumped-up Plame affair).

Posted by: JC | July 8, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

So JC,

Which charges of corruption has Obama been indicted for? Be truthful and specific.

Posted by: Bill | July 8, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Bill, you have been spending way too much time on kos, moveon and huffington. You should pay some attention to the real world, and maybe your views will change. And please don't talk about corruption. I live in Illinois, and Chicago polititians wrote the book on corruption. Obama is part of that cartel.

Posted by: JC | July 8, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to criticize Obama, but McCain has NOTHING to offer. I dare anyone to tell me what McCain has accomplished and what he stands for other than more of the same crap we've got from Bush.

Posted by: Bill | July 8, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama's new talking point goes after McCain for voting AGAINST alternative energy in 2005. Pretty slick reinterpretation of the FACTS. That 2005 McCain vote was against the Bush/Cheney Energy Bill... that Obama voted for... i.e. Obama voted FOR the Bush energy policy, not McCain as implied/stated in Obama's latest political energy ad on energy.

This one issue is another example of how Obama plays both sides and hopes no one is paying attention.

Another is the latest anti-NAFTA ad... What? I thought Obama is FOR NAFTA now. Then I heard that these ads were only to be aired in Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Does not Obama realize that voters in these states have cable or satellite hookups with access to "national" news? That they might read the newspaper? That they might discover that Obama has a pro-NAFTA position now and he called his anti-NAFTA stance "heated rhetoric" from the primary season? ....or maybe since last week he really did switch his position again.

Posted by: Nickyle | July 8, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I would agree. His views really haven't changed. He still plans on saying or doing anything to satisfy his stupendous ego.

Obama=Bush

Posted by: Paul | July 8, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

TO JC
You have it right about the collage crowd, but you for got that they are on average, are afraid of real work, so all Obama has to do is promise to take care of them(so they dont have to work)and they will vote for him.. But on avrage most collage students are to lazy to vote!!!!

Posted by: real world | July 8, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

For once, the Annointed One actually speaks the truth. Damn right his views have not changed. He's still the same hard-core leftist that he's always been. The only question is how many Americans will be stupid enough to buy into his claims that he's now magically a "centrist".

Posted by: Dan R. | July 8, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

THE DISCIPLES ARE OUT IN FORCE TODAY,(were given extra kool-aid)
For only blind obedience, could make them so stupid, as not to see Obama is trying out for the title of FLIP FLOP KING!!!!!
Obama states, He has not changed his stance on any issues.(so you are stupid to dare and ask)
Obama cares less if you now he is a FLIP FLOPER, FOR THE MASSIAH HAS HIS DISIPLES STANDING BY TO BRAND ANYONE THAT DARES TO QUESTION HIM AS A RACIST, JUST STUPID, OR BASICALLY BELITTLING THEM!!!!!

Posted by: real world | July 8, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

One thing about republicans--they can't stand facts. They seldom read or look at a differing opinion and as evidenced here, they turn statements around to suit their needs. The like war, but won't serve, like their president and vice president. They think oil companies deserve to be profiteering at the citizen's expense. They blame the democratic congress for EVERYTHING even though it was during republican rule that everything went to hell! A word to you republicans--Obama will hand John McCain's head to him on a platter and the congress, senate and whitehouse will be in the democrats control and if you want to blame anybody, look in the mirror. The last eight years have been the most corrupt in history. From Randy Cunningham to Bush himself. The republicans big comeback is William Jefferson and Sandy Berger, both small potatoes comparatively. We had the republicans for 8 years and our country has suffered.

Posted by: Bill | July 8, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I dubbed Obama: "Zebra Man" months ago. He doesn't change he just decides from one day to the next who he is. Either white with black stripes or black with white stripes. His political stance is much the same. I am for it today but I'll be against it tomorrow if it means getting the votes to make me President! He lacks leadership skills, He talks a good game but does not have backbone to stay in the game when the chips are down and things don't look like their going his way. Rev. Wright said it best, "he's just another politicain and he does what politicians do to elected". This is what his pastor of 20 years said about him. Rev. Wright is a man you may like or dislike but he is a man who shows that he has a backbone and sticks to what he believes. His steadfast convictions put Trinity Church at the top of the list for all the newcomer wannabes on the Chicago scene; one of whom was Barack Obama, "Mr. Audacity of Hope": literary material he lifted from the pages of Rev. Wright's speeches.

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 8, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I dubbed Obama: "Zebra Man" months ago. He doesn't change he just decides from one day to the next who he is. Either white with black stripes or black with white stripes. His political stance is much the same. I am for it today but I'll be against it tomorrow if it means getting the votes to make me President! He lacks leadership skills, He talks a good game but does not have backbone to stay in the game when the chips are down and things don't look like their going his way. Rev. Wright said it best, "he's just another politicain and he does what politicians do to elected". This is what his pastor of 20 years said about him. Rev. Wright is a man you may like or dislike but he is a man who shows that he has a backbone and sticks to what he believes. His steadfast convictions put Trinity Church at the top of the list for all the newcomer wannabes on the Chicago scene; one of whom was Barack Obama, "Mr. Audacity of Hope": literary material he lifted from the pages of Rev. Wright's speeches.

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 8, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

And it looks like we found one of the kids to whom I referred in my post. Fortunately, this caps lock post came right after mine, thus proving my point. {GOP REPUBLICANS)...are there gop democrats?}

Posted by: JC | July 8, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

U.S. CONSTITUTION - WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES


DEMOCRAT $24 BARREL OF OIL
DEMOCRAT $1.50 A GALLON OF GASOLINE


OIL WAS $24 A BARREL WHEN DEMOCRATS LEFT OFFICE
OIL WAS $24 A BARREL WHEN DEMOCRATS LEFT OFFICE
OIL WAS $24 A BARREL WHEN DEMOCRATS LEFT OFFICE


A GALLON OF GASOLINE WAS $1.50 WHEN DEMOCRATS LEFT OFFICE
A GALLON OF GASOLINE WAS $1.50 WHEN DEMOCRATS LEFT OFFICE
A GALLON OF GASOLINE WAS $1.50 WHEN DEMOCRATS LEFT OFFICE

GOP REPUBLICANS TOOK OFFICE TO CHANGE OIL TO $145 A BARREL
GOP REPUBLICANS TOOK OFFICE TO CHANGE GASOLINE TO $4.50 A GALLON


GOP REPUBLICAN $145 BARREL OF OIL
GOP REPUBLICAN $145 BARREL OF OIL
GOP REPUBLICAN $145 BARREL OF OIL

A GALLON OF GASOLINE IS $4.50 UNDER THE GOP REPUBLICANS
A GALLON OF GASOLINE IS $4.50 UNDER THE GOP REPUBLICANS
A GALLON OF GASOLINE IS $4.50 UNDER THE GOP REPUBLICANS

YOU DO THE MATH AND DECIDE IF TEXAS OIL MILLIONAIRES WARRANT INVESTIGATIONS TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE


GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND STEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES TREASURY.


GOP REPUBLICAN ABUSIVE POWER AND BLIND GREED RUN AMOK TO TRANSFER THE AMERICAN ECONOMY INTO THE PRIVATE CAPITALISTIC POCKETS OF THE SUPER RICH WHO OWNS AND RUNS WALL STREET.


GOP REPUBLICANS ARE MANIPULATING THE MARKET SYSTEM TO MAKE THE MANY (95 PERCENT OF AMERICAN CITIZENS) SUFFER AND SERVE THE SUPERWEALTHY FEW (5 PERCENT WALL STREET SUPERCAPITALISTS).


GOP REPUBLICAN MCCAIN-MCBUSH III TRILLION DOLLAR WAR CRISIS


GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET MILLIONAIRES ARE PAYING THEMSELVES $10,000,000 BONUSES FROM MONEY STOLEN FROM THE U.S. TREASURY, WHILE SENDING OUR AMERCAN JOBS OVERSEAS. RECKLESS OUTSOURCING IS DESTROYING AMERICAN MANUFACTURING AND THE AMERICAN ECONOMY.


NO MORE GOP REPUBLICAN LIES, CONSPIRACIES, AND GRAND LARCENIES.


GOP REPUBLICAN $155 BARREL OF OIL SPECULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN $175 BARREL OF OIL SPECULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN $195 BARREL OF OIL SPECULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN $215 BARREL OF OIL SPECULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN $235 BARREL OF OIL SPECULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN $255 BARREL OF OIL SPECULATIONS


GOP REPUBLICAN $4.50 A GALLON GASOLINE SPECULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN $5.00 A GALLON GASOLINE SPECULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN $5.50 A GALLON GASOLINE SPECULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN $6.00 A GALLON GASOLINE SPECULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN $6.50 A GALLON GASOLINE SPECULATIONS
GOP REPUBLICAN $7.00 A GALLON GASOLINE SPECULATIONS


WHEN DOES IT STOP IF EVER?


GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET GREED SPECULATION DOES NOT WORK.
GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET GREED SPECULATION IS HURTING AMERICA.
GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET GREED SPECULATION IS HURTING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.


STOP GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET OIL SPECULATIONS TODAY
STOP GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET OIL SPECULATIONS TODAY
STOP GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET OIL SPECULATIONS TODAY


GOP REPUBLICAN OIL ADDICTION HAS BECOME THE NEW CRACK DRUG AND WE BETTER GET OFF SOON
GOP REPUBLICAN OIL ADDICTION HAS BECOME THE NEW CRACK DRUG AND WE BETTER GET OFF SOON
GOP REPUBLICAN OIL ADDICTION HAS BECOME THE NEW CRACK DRUG AND WE BETTER GET OFF SOON


GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET MILLIONAIRES ARE PAYING THEMSELVES $10,000,000 BONUSES FROM MONEY STOLEN FROM THE U.S. TREASURY, WHILE SENDING OUR AMERCAN JOBS OVERSEAS. RECKLESS AMERICAN JOB OUTSOURCING IS DESTROYING AMERICAN MANUFACTURING AND THE AMERICAN ECONOMY.


NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE.
NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE.
NATIONALIZE U.S. OIL FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE.


CLEAN NUCLEAR ELECTRIC ENERGY IS THE ANSWER


WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES.


BARACK OBAMA WILL BRING BACK OUR UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND RIGHTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.


GOP REPUBLICAN WALL STREET MILLIONAIRES ARE PAYING THEMSELVES $10,000,000 BONUSES FROM MONEY STOLEN FROM THE U.S. TREASURY, WHILE SENDING OUR AMERCAN JOBS OVERSEAS. RECKLESS OUTSOURCING IS DESTROYING AMERICAN MANUFACTURING AND THE AMERICAN ECONOMY.


STOP GOP REPUBLICAN MCCAIN FROM SELLING OUR AMERICA.


This remarkable unleashing of deep Democratic energies went hand in hand with clever GOP Republican efforts to subvert the will of the American People, whether by overt corruption or covert manipulation. This corruption or manipulation resulted from the widespread market activity that was incompatible with the good of the American Public. American Citizens were well aware that the voices of the People could be offset by powerful GOP Republican market elites bending the system to serve the interests of the few. The economic power of the GOP Republicans were recognized to be the primary source of Wall Street speculators' corruptions.

Democratic dialogue was motivated by opposition to the market-driven greedy GOP Republicans obsessed with obscene quantity of moneymaking with little regard for the quality of the Public's Democracy. Democratic love of wisdom was contrasted sharply against the GOP Republicans love of money.

Posted by: GOP Republican Failures | July 8, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

All you have to do to excite college students (and drop-outs) is tell them that you will solve all of the worlds problems. Never mind that not only do you not have any plans to accomplish this, but the thoughts that you do have change from day to day. Tell them that you will stop all wars and provide health care for everyone, and you have their screaming support. All you have to do to excite people of color is to be one, proven by the 90+ Obama support. So he has the naive kids and the blacks. I can't understand why anyone else would even consider voting for Obama! McCain should win in a landslide.

Posted by: JC | July 8, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

OOooooo the mccain spammers are out in full force - they have to be spammers because the only way to get supportive comments on his campaign is to pay someone to say it. The rovian tactics are obvious, slam obama, with no facts or justification - oh, and they don't bolster their candidate either. Kind of like spoiled 6 year olds. I'm not buying their petty crap on Rezko or Wright - that's all they've got. Talk issues and the dems will steamroll through the elections.

Posted by: JDB | July 8, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

haha! I'm still rolling around on the floor laughing, laughing because the democrats actually picked this guy to represent them! Remarkable!

Posted by: General Election: Epic Fail | July 8, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama is part of America's race problem. He is profiting from it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 8, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

i think many of the millions who were inspired by mr obama came to feel a strong personal connection to him. some may feel the pain of betrayal just as intense and personal because of his sudden shift of positions. i think its safe to say that people don't like to be manipulated. exploiting hope is particularly offensive. mr obama should not assume that these people, who voted for him in the primary, will do so in the general election, no matter what. they may not vote for mccain, but they may not vote at all. it might just be a little too personal.

Posted by: mags | July 8, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The more you listen to Obama and think carefully about what he has to say, the more ridiculous you will find his thinking to be. He is so inconsistent and, in the words of his former advisor, he is willing to say anything to win. Obama is just amazingly slick and has answers for virtually all questions imaginable. Apparently, Obama has, for the lack of a better word, hijacked the Democratic Party. This is unfortunate. The guy is a stage performer. Stop daydreaming!!

Posted by: Marcus | July 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but Obama stated he's withdrawing troops at the rate of 2 units per month. However, this commitment is impossible if at that rate, it poses a threat to what he considers a safe, phased withdrawal. In other words, he's given the details of his Iraq withdrawal and backtracked on those details by saying he's going to go there to see what's happening on the ground, and plan a mtg with the joint chiefs of staff to see the best plan for withdrawal. These can easily, though not necessarily, contradict one another. Basically, he wants it both ways.

Posted by: Aidan | July 8, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

If you want change, you'll have to kiss Obama's as* and maybe he'll remember to keep his promises. Or you can save your lips the trouble.

Posted by: Moon | July 8, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

It's a pity the mainstream media have forgotten how to fact check and have resorted to cheerleading republican talking points ... just like they did leading up to the war.

Posted by: Georgie BOY | July 8, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed at the complete ignorance of you BHO supporters. Either you are illiterate or wear blinders or are just plain dumb. Your guy has lied as consistently as he claims he hasn't and his postion has clearly been "adjusted" based on polls and public reaction and the results of the nomination.

Wake up. Your guy was, is and will be the ruin of this country.

Posted by: R | July 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Look at the podium with the sign "Economic Security", but Obama has no background in economic matters less then McCain. In fact, the Obamatrons stated his experiences at Business International Corporation as general researcher, but they helped American companies overseas! I bet the unions like that type of experience, sure they do huh?

Posted by: theaz | July 8, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Tony Chase, deputy chairman and director of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, announced his resignation Tuesday for a move into politics.

Chase intends to play an active role in the campaign of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. Federal Reserve guidelines prohibit directors from participating in partisan political activity.

In a letter to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, Chase said he can make an even greater contribution toward restoring America's economic stability and promoting job growth through active participation in the general election campaign.

Chase was Federal Reserve Bank director for about seven years. Prior to his stint in Dallas, Chase served as director of the Federal Reserve's Houston branch from 2001-2004. In 2004, he joined the Dallas board and was named deputy chairman in 2006.

Posted by: holman | July 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have been reduced to whiny toe tapping propagandist tools.

With 8 years of failure by conservatives, you have a cocktail for a beat down. How is John McCain going to inspire the voter turnout for his party? His great speeches? Conservative talk radio? His flip-flop talk express bus overstuffed with Lobbyists? We all love to engage in punditry but the facts are the facts. Repubs do not have the votes to win. Outside of a total collapse (And I mean TOTAL collapse, not merely a split of the electorate)the Dem party they can offer up a broccoli f-art in a jar and still gain the White House. What planet are you conservatives living on? Your Reagan Democrat pink cloud from 20+ years ago?

Today's conservatism is a caricature of the movement it once was. It embraces pointless wars, runs up a vast debt, and trashes the Constitution. Selling out their principles for power, abandoning deeply seated American values and traditions simply because someone on "their side" demanded that they do so, conservatives have made a deal with the devil that has reduced their movement to an empty, ends-obsessed shell.

How did the party of Lincoln end up marching under the banner of Tom DeLay and Rush Limbaugh, Cheney and Ann Coulter?

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 8, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The problem is with people who only read headlines. Take guns, for instance. The reality is that Obama has always had the position that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right, but that it is not absolute. Much like we have a 1st amendment right to speech, but not libel, copyright infringement or incitement to riot. Attention-deficit partisans will see inconsistency, but most Americans will see reasonableness.

Posted by: Eric | July 8, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

LOL, you right wing tools can cry about running to the middle or Obama's hidden scandals all you want. We won't be fooled by your Rovian tactics. Keep yelling in all caps about how he is a marxist, like hitler etc. It just makes those of us with common sense see what frightened little people you are that changing the status quo makes you piss your pants.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 8, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I think both sides should calm down and look objectively at both the candidates.
Look at independent sources for information. For example, if you want to know if you will pay less or more taxes under either candidate, the tax policy institute has detailed reports if you care to read them.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/presidential_candidates.cfm
If not, cnn has a summary:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm?postversion=2008061115

You know what you make, look it up.

You may be surprised by what you find. I am currently taking a break from work and I ind that in my current situation, I will pay about $300 less tax under Obama compared to Mccain, with just my husband's income. But if I go back to work, I will pay $400 less under Mccain.

Under neither candidate will I pay more taxes.
So it's not that simple.

Posted by: Balanced | July 8, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

As Michael Brown Democratic Strategist stated last week, the most important thing is that Obama gets elected on this subject of flip floping, or in other words we now can have no confidence in Obama's words in this campaign! Rev Wright made that very clear at the National Press Club that he's a politician will say what he needs to say! Now that NO CHANGE, nothing but the same but with NO EXPERIENCE!

Posted by: theaz | July 8, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Prove me wrong: Obama has been consistent. There has not been one reference to a concrete example in context of him contradicting himself. I am looking for links. It should be easy. Why all the CAPS with out FACTS? Let's have a serious debate. Please post some links that might change my mind. Because I remember him saying he thought the Constitution provided a "personal right to own fire arms" in the democratic primary. I remember him saying he would leave some troops in Iraq and could not provide a date certain.
Post 2 links referencing the two different statements in context. Thanks!

Posted by: Graham P. | July 8, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

lanmanlee08 | July 8, 2008 3:07 PM -

I was being sarcastic. I'm an Obama supporter.

I was having a little fun with the reactionary Obama haters who want us to fear an Obama presidency while we suffer through the Bush presidency.

Obama '08

Posted by: godblessusa | July 8, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Well, if Barack Obama convinces folks that he isn't lurching to the middle at the exact same time he lurches to the middle, that is quite a trick.

Nothing can be more cynical than Barack Obama saying his position on the 2nd amendment is consistent. If by consistent you mean everything possible then yes. He has been for a total ban on guns, for recognizing an individual's right to bear arms, for D.C.'s hand gun ban, and for the nebulous "sensible gun restrictions". That isn't a consistent position. That is every possible position. He is whoever you want him to be on guns.

On FISA, he made a bald face reversal with no explanation, and his reversal on public financing is well documented, and furthermore, it is a distortion to claim his campaign is financed exclusively from small donors. Only about half his money comes from small donors. If he raises $500 million, that means close to $250 million will be from special interest bundlers.

Here is how I compared his flip flops to McCain's...

http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2008/07/flip-flops-mccain-vs-obama.html

Posted by: Mike Volpe | July 8, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Obamabots want change...they get it. What they weren't expecting was the change in policy on a daily basis. Obama the uniter has voted extreme left on every issue that he bothered to vote on. He has now found Jesus after voting no on the partial birth abortion ban. I thought Gore and Kerry were the world's biggest phonies, but the Dems have outdone themselves with this guy.

Posted by: JC | July 8, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

THE DISCIPLES are out in force today

Posted by: real world | July 8, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

THE ARE ON IN FORCE TODAY,
ANY THAT DARE TO QUESTION THERE MESSIAH, MUST BE BRANDED AS STUPID,OR A RACIST!!!!
BOTS get a life, most do not belive obamas lies, and now he is just a politicion....

Posted by: real world | July 8, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been consistent. Anyone who says otherwise simply exposes themselves as an mouth piece willing to speak without knowledge of the facts or a partisan willing to sacrifice there personal integrity.
For one of dozens of possible references: Any one who watched the NBC debates saw Obama side with Hillary on NOT being willing to give a date certain and saying that some troops would remain. Richardson and Kucinich faulted him for this position. It's all on tape so I would be careful about what you do to your credibility.
Obama was against the war and prescient on the outcome before it started.
http://barackobama.com/judgment
I encourage those interested in the truth to find the debate links and other speeches yourselves:
http://www.youtube.com/user/BarackObamadotcom

Posted by: Graham P. | July 8, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

It is funny to here the kool-aid drinkes State why you need to vote for obama over bush?? or vote obama becouse of bush. For the BOT's BUSH is not running, it's McCain.

Posted by: real world | July 8, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama Declares He Doesn't Want His Children "Punished with a Baby"

http://www.google.com/search?q=Senator%20Barack%20Obama+site:www.lifesitenews.com&l=en

USA: the demographic winter is coming.

Aging workforce.
geocities(dot)com/demographic_crash

Also new website prowomanprolife(dot)org

Posted by: SM | July 8, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama is sprinting to the middle - if his long time friends (Wright and Abunimah) say he's a politician doing what he needs to do to get the vote - you can believe it.

By the time the general election comes around, Obama will look more like Bush than Bush himself.

McCain 08

Posted by: piic | July 8, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

AS OBAMA'S MENTOR OF MORE THAN 20YR's(REV WRIGHT) STATED, OBAMA IS JUST A POLITICION THAT WILL SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO HEAR TO GET YOUR VOTE!!!!!!!!
Wake up, and try thinking for your self Obama is the KING OF FLIP FLOP!!
McCain is not the best but compared to obama, at least he admits, and tells you why he changed his mind. maybe becouse he has one.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 8, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

godblessusa, what the hell are you smoking? The deficit is out of control - my daughter and other children like her will have to pay for it. Also, did you know that the price of oil is tied to the dollar? Bush has artificially kept the dollar weak so that exports are up for the large corporations. Bush doesn't care about anyone except big business including oil.

Good lord, look at the facts and quit being a lackey for the Republican Party.

OBAMA08

Posted by: lanmanlee08 | July 8, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 8, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama saying that his positions have "not changed" demonstrates how VERY dangerous Town Halls are for him. When Obama is not tightly scripted, he gets himself into trouble. This man is NOT ready to be the POTUS!!

Posted by: ERISAMAVEN | July 8, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama has FLIP FLOPED so much it should be a sport.
But He states, He has not changed his stance at all, We just did not hear him right!!( I.E. WE ARE JUST TO STUPID)
HE could care less if you belive him or not, FOR THE MESSIAH's DISCIPLES STAND READY TO BRAND ANY THAT DARE QUESTION HIM, AS RACIST, OR JUST VARY STUPID!!!!

Posted by: real world | July 8, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

hi i love obam a

Posted by: Anonymous | July 8, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

obama picked folvor flav as his vp

Posted by: bibihenna | July 8, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an egomaniac. I grow tired of his rants. I honestly believe he kisses himself in the mirror every night before he goes to bed.
I was a registered Democrat but felt I had no other choice but to register as an Independent after the whole Obama/Clinton fiasco. I don't think I will vote for Obama but, in a way, I hope he wins so that all you rabid Obama fans can kick yourselves in the butt for voting this moron into office.
Change? Yeah, right. Just more of the same, or as Obama himself said (well, he stole) "just words." That's all he's full of; nothing but meaningless words. Politics as usual, folks.

Posted by: bigfoot | July 8, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"NObama isn't changing his views...just his words. And, they're "just words" after all"

the FISA bill is just words?

this guy is a major league sell-out. Look out.

Posted by: yeswecon | July 8, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

But i though you were all about change Mr. Hussain

Posted by: Kevoh | July 8, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I still can't get my mind around Obama's long, intimate relationship with the right Reverend Wright. I'm holding my nose for McCain - for sure!

Posted by: Larry | July 8, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama has remained consistent? Yeah right and the Easter Bunny is running on the Green ticket. Obama is just as much a traditional politician as anyone else, flip flopping like Mitt Romney on steroids and lying like a Kennedy at a sobriety checkpoint.

Posted by: Leonidas | July 8, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

This was a war started by Bush and Cheney who were both chickenhawks. Bush was a deserter and Cheney sought every deferment he could to stay out of Vietnam. Obama wants to bring the troops home and now Iraq is saying 'get out of our country' and the rabid right is going ballistic! This means they can't steal anymore of the citizen's money with phoney contracts with corrupt contractors and lobbyists. The thing about Obama that would disappoint me is that if his DOJ doesn't bring charges against this administration.

Posted by: Bill | July 8, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm Voting Republican!

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/

Toe tappers Unite!

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 8, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Check out this hilarious parody of Obama's volunteers denying two Muslim women seats behind the podium at one of his rallys.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOgrdrjWKdk

Posted by: Cat | July 8, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The economy has made great progress. Obama supporters are welfare sponges. Democrats are traitors. Republicans are patriots. America is admired around the world. The constitution is for weaklings. Everyone to the left of Dick Cheney is a socialist. We are now a debtor nation to Mexico and we have to kiss China's butt. We beg the Saudis for more oil. The millions facing foreclosure are losers. The largest income inequality since the Great Depression is meaningless. Al-Queda has been destroyed. Iran has been weakened. Federal spending over the last 8 years has risen by a trillion dollars. Scientific facts are a liberal conspiracy. 81% who think the country is on the wrong track drink kool-aid. 66% who disapprove of Bush are communists. Upper-income tax cuts during war make sense. The dollar has never been stronger. NAFTA creates jobs. Only greedy poor people complain about skyrocketing gas prices. After 8 years of the greatest president of all time, Obama will destroy America.

Four more years! Four more years!...

Posted by: godblessusa | July 8, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"In the center ring, PT Barnum proudly presents John Sydney McCain III, ancient master of political acrobatics. Watch as he flips and flops out of control through the air, going back on his own words, again and again and again..."

*McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed; to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks.

* McCain used to oppose Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. Now he's against it.

* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he now opposes the measure.

* McCain has been both open and closed to a redeploy-to-perimeter strategy in Iraq.

* McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."

* McCain said he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."

* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

Only Toe Tapping Republican Propagandist Tools think McSame is the straight shooter.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 8, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Joe, no one said flipflopping is bad. He simple clarrified that he has not, obviously. Your attempt to throw him in the same boat as Bush is sad at best.

Posted by: SEKTO | July 8, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Why is "Flip Flopping" bad? Doesn't that mean they can learn and grow?

I don't want another Bush who is like a child insisting he is right, when he is clearly wrong.

Posted by: Joe | July 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how McCain can honestly continue with the Bush plan to stay in Iraq for 100 years. Iraqi officials themselves are demanding a withdrawal timetable. It's their country and they're telling us that they would like for us to withdraw. Apart from a few Republicans, who are trying to leverage Iraq's occupation into profits, the American People don't think we should be in Iraq. So if the Iraqi's don't want us to stay there indefinitely, and the American People don't want us to stay there indefinitely, what is McInsane thinking?

. They national security advisor says his country will reject a planned security agreement with the United States, unless it includes a specific timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces from Iraq.

Mouwaffaq al-Rubaie

Posted by: hesingswithfrogs | July 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: In & Out Clinics | July 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Trying to placate both sides of the conflagration on immigration, isn't going to work? Senator McCain has fumbled over this growing issue, that is now out-of-control. Neither Obama or McCain are stewards of stopping overpopulation, because after a blanket AMNESTY which both have proposed. Millions more will appear on our doorstep, expecting more of the same. Diversity Alliance for Sustainable America www.earthtimes.org/ have stated in it's article that if the U.S. grants amnesty and gives citizenship to 12 to 30 million illegal migrants, as Senators Obama and McCain propose.All those naturalized citizens could possibly add 120 million U.S. and foreign-born relatives to the U.S., in the next 20 years whom all would CONSUME MAJOR ENERGY.

We all know the consequences of illegal immigration, that has already taken a serious toll on jobs and the quality of life in America. Not enforcing our laws has become an unparalleled financial benefit for predatory businesses, but a growing chaos on the streets and highways, as America tries to cope with the propagation of congestion and pollution. Do not think Canada is exempt from this monolithic issue, as the free movement of cheap labor is the obnoxious agenda of the free trade, open border globalists.

Leading Democrats have refused to sponsor the SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) for enforcement only, All American patriots (no matter their country of origin) should join for free www.numbersusa.com and learn about the facts and the next AMNESTY conflict.

Posted by: Brittanicus | July 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

To: Not a Pawn to the ObamaCon! | July 8, 2008 1:37 PM

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Please apply more Tin Foil to your hat.

Posted by: Sally | July 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Here's a great video that says all you need to know about McCain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs

Posted by: Bill | July 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"These are not the droids you are looking for."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 8, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"The mind of the mob is malignant."

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Posted by: Not a Pawn to the ObamaCon! | July 8, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Both candidates have changed positions on several items; let's be realistic. I have to give McCain credit though at least a couple of McCains stance changes hurt him with independants and moderate democrats. It appears to me all Obama changes are politically convenient at the time he makes them and none "hurt" him in any way. Yeah new type of politician....

Obama is another Clinton. He uses ambiguous wording to fool people into believing he's for them. Then he switches positions he points out the ten qualifers he used that means he didnt actually change positions.

"You didnt notice the probably, maybe, under the circumstances, with reservations,preconditions, etc in my statement? That's not my problem"

Posted by: Cryos | July 8, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe that the wealthy are talking about lack of unity because they will pay more taxes for the 1st. time in 8 years!

If your are wealthy and love the republicans pay for the misleading war your president Bush started.

If you don't want abortions, help those mothers with your money raise those babies!

If you want your guns, pay to put more police in the streets.

Put your wallet were your mouth is!

Posted by: Pat | July 8, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe that the wealthy are talking about lack of unity because they will pay more taxes for the 1st. time in 8 years!

If your are wealthy and love the republicans pay for the misleading war your president Bush started.

If you don't want abortions, help those mothers with your money raise those babies!

If you want your guns, pay to put more police in the streets.

Put your wallet were your mouth is!

Posted by: Pat | July 8, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Uhm, can we please get rid of this myth that Obama is moving to the center. The center is not between the center right and far right. If Obama was really moving toward the center he would be moving left.

Posted by: daniel | July 8, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The media took 9 seconds out of a minute and a half soundbite and tried to make it sound like Obama was altering his position on Iraq. He's always said he'd listen to the generals and plan from that. His position as remained the same. The press invents flip-flops for Obama to make him look inconsistent. Obama even came out afterword to clarify what he said BECAUSE the press takes what he says out of context.

McCain on the other hand, is flopping around like a freshly caught carp. As Obama moves more to the middle and Bob Barr gets out a little more the center right keeps moving toward Obama. If you don't believe me, look at the polls from the red states. The right hates McCain and can't say anything good about him, so they're left attacking Obama on issues that don't even exist. I've never seen the republican's so desperate. They're running scared because they know McCain is projected to lose by the biggest margin in election history.

Posted by: Bill | July 8, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

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for portraits of Obama and Clinton

Posted by: shan the artist | July 8, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The mind of the mob is malignant.

Posted by: Curtis | July 8, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

once again a left wing supporter shows his derision for other points of view and illustrates a lack of intelligence by resorting to juvenile name calling tactics. Typical of the egocentric self important liberals. Posted by: alan | July 8, 2008 1:05 PM

Gee, Alan, your entire post consists of the "name calling" you castigate in others and deride as indicative of "a lack of intelligence." By your own reckoning, you are a DOPE and a HYPOCRITE.

Posted by: mnjam | July 8, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the classic divider. "He is about unity, crossing the aisle, blah blah blah."

How can you Obama supporters honestly say that much less believe it? Two of his primary strategies are class warfare and racism.

"If you make under $250,000 I won't raise your taxes." Talk about a suck up to the pathetic, greedy entitlement crowd. What is sad is that so many supporters are too greedy to care about principles since they know they don't have the mental capacity to make good money or start a business so why should others get things that they can't.

Perfect example look at all the college kids who can out blazing liberals (many reasons for this) and then they work hard and acquire wealth and realize democrats promote laziness and redistribution of wealth and change political affiliation.

Since liberals are "so giving and compassionate" I love the surveys showing ACROSS ALL INCOME LEVELS REPUBLICANS GIVE MORE MONEY AND TIME TO CHARITY THAN DEMOCRATS. Liberals like to talk the talk but not walk the walk. They are selfish so alleviate their guilt by voting to force everyone ELSE to help others through the government.

Posted by: Cryos | July 8, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

i was a huge Obama fan, but no matter what he says, he has been flip-flopping on the issues. Merging religion with state is especially worrying... I was hoping we could end all of that with a Democratic president. Unless Obama comes up with a better explanation with that, my vote is going to Nader - he definitely has not flip flopped.

Posted by: chris | July 8, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I would suggest changing ones family church a fundamental and humngus flip flop. This guy talks a nice game, but makes me very uncertain. He still gets a huge pass from the media with respect to questions about his past...more than just the Reverend stuff.

Posted by: Seems2smees | July 8, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

once again a left wing supporter shows his derision for other points of view and illustrates a lack of intelligence by resorting to juvenile name calling tactics. Typical of the egocentric self important liberals. I cannot understand the socialist mindset. Is there a way to reconcile this contempt for others and a supposedly progressive philosophy? The two are clearly opposed yet they are the bedrock of every single person I have ever spoken to that subscribes to the liberal ideology. McBase indeed. There is no reaching across the aisle to petulant children better the rule of thumb, and by the way there are many more than 500 words in the english language some very colorful without resorting to grade school bully tactics. Its surprising one can operate a keyboard but utterly lack an adult level of creativity. As for "change" show me one proposition that would change anything in Washington and I'll show you an idea that did not come from an entrenched politician which is all we have to choose from. GOOOH has it right. Lawyers should practice law not write them.

Posted by: alan | July 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama is NOT my canidate. He has changed his position so much he makes me wish we had Kerry running. Obama is an embarrassement to my party. I wish we had another choice, but between Obama and McCain, I have to go with McCain.

Posted by: Democrat leaving the Party | July 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

This is what bugs me about this guy. Come on... he's a politician, he's doing what they do. But does he have to take this "holier than thou" attitude about it? Geez.
Posted by: Joy | July 8, 2008 12:53 PM

Which one are you talking about?

Posted by: aleks | July 8, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama is unelectable. He is too inexperienced, insincere, and inadequate for the Presidency. He said he was against the war, but has voted the Party line. He said he was against the FISA bill, but now supports it. He signed a pledge that he would accept Public Financing, but threw it in the garbage. He said he could not disown his Pastor or his grandmother, and threw both under the bus. He was raised a Muslim and converted to Christianity, but denies it. Why?

Posted by: Luis | July 8, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

NObama isn't changing his views...just his words. And, they're "just words" after all.

BHO's leftist views are unchanged. He'll prove it if and when he's elected.

Posted by: NObama | July 8, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

This is what bugs me about this guy. Come on... he's a politician, he's doing what they do. But does he have to take this "holier than thou" attitude about it? Geez.

Posted by: Joy | July 8, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes Anne, you and your colleagues being part of the McBase will print any thing, your favorite maverick tells you to, regardless if it is true. Working hard to get to those special seats in the double talk express.

Posted by: Julian | July 8, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

He changes his position more often than his underwear....

Posted by: LAMM01 | July 8, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

European_Elitist...is summer vacation time here in the US so the US political news media is always looking for a controversial story to enjoy the high ratings during the Democratic Primary season between Obama and Clinton.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | July 8, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the Obama campaign from across the pond I was wondering what the hullaballoo was all about. He didn't change his message all that much.

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/opinion-why-i-still-think-obama-will-be-a-good-president-but-i-am-wary-too/

Posted by: European_Elitist | July 8, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

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