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Obama Vows to Keep Talking About Fatherlessness


Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) arrives in San Diego, Calif., July 12, 2008
(Associated Press)

Updated 7:09 p.m.
By Perry Bacon Jr.
SAN DIEGO -- Sen. Barack Obama said he would continue to chastise absentee black fathers and deliver tough love speeches to the black community, even if the Rev. Jesse Jackson doesn't like it.

Interviewed on his campaign plane last night on the way to San Diego for a speech to a Latino group, the Illinois senator said Jackson had raised his concerns in a private conversation the two had, even before the civil rights leader's caustic comments became public last week. Jackson was caught on video angrily saying that Obama was "talking down to black people."

"We had actually discussed some of the concerns that he had raised about my Father's Day speech," Obama said. "I told him that I absolutely believe we have structural inequalities in this country that have to be dealt with, which is why I have proposed making sure that health care is accessible for every American.... But my argument is simply that's it's not an either/or proposition but a both/and proposition.

"The government -- and society as a whole -- has an obligation to deal with poverty, particularly poverty that is deep-rooted. Not just in the inner cities but in rural communities all across America. But we also have to recognize there's a particular problem when more than half of African American children are growing up without a father in the house, and oftentimes not even knowing their father."

Added the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, who himself grew up without ever knowing his father: "That's a problem, and I won't back up one bit in asserting that is a problem that we have to be honest about."

Asked about Jackson's response, Obama said, "Well, in my conversation, it would be hard for him to disagree with that because many of the things I said, are things that he has said in the past."

Asked by a reporter if his tone at times on such issues was "lecturey," Obama replied, "No."

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The question is "Who and what is it a problem for?" Would Barack Obama have done better in his life if he had been forced to spend half of his childhood living in Africa with his father, as so many children now do who are forced into oist-divorce joint custody? I doubt it.

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Posted by: Elizabeth J. Kates, Esq. | August 17, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I WILL SAY AGAIN:

OBAMA NEEDS TO:

"start praising the accomplishments of black people as he does with other racial and ethnic groups"
AND MOST OF ALL........
"lay off black people.... just like he wanted everyone in the MSM and segments of the country to lay off his wife.

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 15, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

TYPO-corrections in my last post:

OBAMA SERIOUSLY NEEDS TO:


PRAISE THE GOOD THE GOOS THINGS THAT MANY BLACKS ARE ACCOMPLISHING.


"LAY OFF BLACK PEOPLE".

If people beleive in you they will vote for you. Stop trampling on black people to get the whit votes.

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 15, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I am a black man and I have heard enough from Mr. Obama who wasn't raised in the ghetto/slums of the inner city, let alone America for any extended length of time. OK, so there are problems which plague the black community and their family units. It seems evident that pointing his finger in the face of blcak America is a HUGE POLITICAL STRATEGY to win the confidence of white voters at all socio-economic levels whether they are on the left the right or in the middle. We al know that criticism of black people really goes over BIG with other racial and ethnic groups.

IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF OBAMA CAN PRAISE THE GOOG THINGS THAT MANY BLACK PEOPLE ARE STRIVING TO ACCOMPLISH AND LAY OFF TTHE NEGATIVES!!
Like he said, "lay off my wife!"
I say to OBAMA, "It's time to LAY OFF BALCK PEOPLE".

Posted by: Ebonyflash | July 15, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"It seems to me that the harshest criticisms of Obama and his wife tend to be written by people who haven't mastered Emglish grammar."

Spelling, too?

Anyway, Obama knows about absentee fathers. Keep the faith, baby. Keep speaking out, regardless of what bitter old used-to-be's like Jackson say.

Posted by: Chuckamok | July 14, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

@rc53

the issue is more nuanced. if the room was full of black women, maybe he could have encoaged them to make better decisions about who they bed, not to make children weapons and manipulative tools, and to be better wives. Placing the issue on black men entirely is knee jerk and plays to stereotypes about black people. He should know this, and I believe he does. The fact that he persists - it is for political reasons, nothing more, nothing less. Anybody who can give the More perfect union speach can deal with nuance. It was necessary when downplaying wright, but when it comes to perceptions about the average black man who does not live with the mother of his child, for whatever reason, in his eyes, it is not. It's shameful.

Posted by: ACT | July 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I've read Obama's Father's Day speech. I thought is was great. I don't know what Jackson's problem was with it. Did he expect Obama to go to this black church and pretend there isn't a problem? If 50% of black households in this country have no father in them then its a pretty good chance that half of the women and children in those pews on that Sunday were 100% on their own. Was Obama supposed to ignore that. He knows first hand what that is like. Who better to talk about it. He wasn't talking down to them, he was telling those women and children he knows how it feels. And to the fathers he was saying 'man up' and do the right thing.

Posted by: rc53 | July 14, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama, and all men should keep talking about the Fatherlessness. It's not just a Black Issue. Tough love and old school is much older than Bill Cosby. Many of the fathers who were found in the home did indeed engage in the tough love concept. We still learned how to fend for ourselves and show love for our fellowman. We worked for a living. We learned how to cook,do the gardening,farming,laundry,sewing, and do other chores, as girls. And the boys learned too. We had to also keep up with our school and Church work. Yes,All of us could read and we are now older than money and doing fine. Mamas need to roll up sleeves and open a few books with children, too.

Posted by: Mamamay | July 14, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

I take issue with Obama choosing to make this speech on Father's Day. Maybe the things that Obama said are true, but was it necessary to say on a day that is reserved to honor fathers? In my opinion no.

Posted by: Henry | July 14, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

cubgac | July 13, 2008 11:10 PM

And YOU get it

Posted by: obama wins | July 13, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Leon, Perhaps, then, I can't relate to people who cannot look around them & tell themselves "I will do better". That's what my son vowed (that he would be a better father & stepfather than he had had). similarly, I did the same in regards to getting higher education. When I looked back on it, I was given no guidance by those responsible in my majority white high school. My parents did not know to encourage me, I knew no one (including my older sister) who had gone beyond that level; no family friends or etc. I just knew I wanted something more. Despite my former "friends" pregnancies & their making fun of my "brains", I found a way.
Anyway, I think my point is that puting something alternative in front of those who may not be living up to their best is not the worst thing that could be done. I believe last week, there was talk of Obama telling youths that they should stay in school becasuse rapping was not going to make it for them. I see that a lot of kids have only the aspirations of rappers & sports figures to move them up. As we all know, the chances there are slim to none. so, if these kids are, for some reason, listening to Barack, getting the truth to them is fantastic.
As for him chastising Jews or non-English speaking immigrants: that's unfortunately a "no-no" in my eyes. It's sort of the situation which I discussed with my close white friend: Obama was not able to go for the Clinton jugular becuase he was "not white enough, not old enough". In the dother cases, he would be consideredd "not Jewish enough", "not Latino (or fill in the blank) enough" to call them to task (at THIS point, at least). Even as we speak, in 2008, a black man must "walk" on eggs where a white man can "walk" in combat boots in the same area. Hence, talk that Obama must "apologize" to Bill clinton (whatever for), he must wear a flag lapel pin (McCain doesn't); any number of examples. the bar is higher for him thatn it's EVER been for any other candidate. Because he is non-white.

Posted by: obama wins | July 13, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama gets it

Barak Obama has to be both black and white to win the election. For a large segment of white voters Obama must sound white. Sounding white includes issues of race. And on race most whites are not willing to, or simply have been given the opportunity to, acknowledge their privilege. This means Obama can't sound like a civil rights marcher from the 60s. Obama is proof the system is working, while many whites see the Jesse Jacksons' of the world as "whiners", Phil Graham style (considering how economics relates to race). White people have moved beyond outright bigotry and slid racism under the table. Talking about race threatens many whites who think racism is basically over and simply don't want to be accused of being racist.

Obama needs to sound like what he was accused of sounding like; a black preacher. Obama will preach for us all to be the change, ranging from being better parents to conserving energy to joining the Peace Corps. His message will be inclusive, but he cannot force white Americans to acknowledge their privilege. Not because it's right, or because white Americans are justified in thinking racism was fixed in the 1960s, but because electing a black President would do more to engage and hopefully heal America's racial divide. Obama must to adhere to his own advice and simply be the change.

Posted by: cubgac | July 13, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

abnorm,
apply for ur passport now; I hear there's a wait; you'll need it by 1/19/09. Contact me: I'm starting an out of the country relocation business.

norman ravitch | July 13, 2008 6:31 PM
Nothing Barack can say about black fecklessness will persuade whites to vote for him. We just do not want a black president, nor a black first lady walking with her big black feet on the WH carpet.


Posted by: obama wins | July 13, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Obamawins,

Honestly and not sarcastically, congratulations on raising your son the way you did- there is a great likelihood that the strength and wisdom that you provided allowed him to be the person he is today.

There are people who will succeed, even given the worst situations. This, however, is anecdotal. I agree that as a role model- Barak as POTUS will have a good deal of power. This can not be underestimated. The problem is that ecologically, people in situations with little hope and poor accessibility to good choices are less likely to make the positive choices your son did. As a long time admirer of Mr. Jackson (volunteered for the campaign in 88)- I am just pointing out what he is talking about. Mr. Obama goes to other groups of people--women, Latinos, Jewish voters, and tells them what they want to hear- he doesn't castigate the Latin community for lack of learning English in multiple generations or the Jewish community for some of the less positive policies of Israel. When he goes to African American congregations, however, he does not try to sell his policies to them, he has made the "responsibilty" speech--a speech that is designed in essence to sell to white conservative voters. It does not say it directly, but the underlying theme to the speech is "you are responsible for your own mess" allowing the voters and the US as a whole to free itself of any responsibilty for a problem that has multiple roots, sociological and economic, but also historical and political.

Even if we disagree, it is great that we can have an intellegent discussion when so many people are using this forum to talk about nonsense.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

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This post is full of inane and idiotic comments. The best the majority can do is refer to Senator Obama and his wife's middle name. Is that the best you can do? If you want to debate, make a point, build upon your ideas and make sure you spellcheck. I am not insulted in the least. This is the uneducated, lower class caucasian demographic and their whiteness is the only thing they can cling to in order to make them feel better about who they are. That is desperate and shows your pathetic nature, like a cornered animal. This misdirected attitude is due to the way race has been viewed in the past, and obviously in the present, by a certain demographic, which is growing smaller generation by generation. I feel that they are upset because the Obamas are African-American and have elevated themselves to a level they or their children will never achieve. I think if he did not identify himself as an African-American, things would be alot easier for him. He could have taken the Tiger Woods route, but chose to acknowledge the obvious: people identify you by the way you look, no matter what your background. Thankfully, I was raised by parents, who are still married by the way(for over 40 years now), who taught me that I didn't have to change for anyone. I could give a damn what people think when they look at me. At the hospital where I work, I am mistaken for everyone, from cleaning crew, although they wear uniforms (which I do not), to a techinican of some sort. Mistaken for everyone except a doctor, which I am. I am who I am and will not change that for anyone. African Americans are criticized if they overcome obstacles to become upstanding members of society and are criticized if they succumb to society's pitfalls and end up on the opposite end of the spectrum. In today's racist society, it is a lose-lose situation no matter what you do if you are African-American. No one is willing to admit that if you have no idea what it is like to be expected to fail by those who are entrusted with your education as an impressionable child because of the way you look, shut your mouth as far as circumstances are concerned. As far as the fatherlessness issue, I believe this pertains to anyone of any race.

Posted by: Motivated1 | July 13, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Leon,
Well, if Obama cannot speak from actual experience (and i know his biography quite well), I can. I am the African American mother of a man (now 32) who was never acknowledged by his biological father. He had a shaky, short relationship with a stepfather & his only other male role model (up to age 10) was his grandfather. He subsequently married a different race woman who already had a child. Together, they have produced a mixed race child (who reminds me of Obama). My son, the sole breadwinner, is a wonderful father and stepfather, something he never really experienced as a youngster. He acheived this by some stroke of luck. I can see that my 6 year old grandson has been handed a valuable example by his father and it would be a shock if he did not follow in the footsteps of the man he adores. However, there are many more men my son's age who have gone comeltely the other way as fathers.SOMEONE has to give this to our youngsters, if not on an everyday basis, at least by letting them know that another way is possible and desirable and noble. Who better to look up to than the POTUS?
Leon July 13, 2008 9:52 PM

Posted by: obama wins | July 13, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

This is going to be a long political season.

I see that every racist wingnut in America finally has internet access that they bought with their disability check from the same government they seek to bring down.

Since no one else will say it, let me remind you that many Obama supporters do not support him "just because he's black." That would be stupid. And you're not racist if you simply disagree with him or want to vote for his opponent. But you "really" "are" "a" "racist" when you stoop to these idiotic race-hatred theories and pickaninny lingo. You people are pathetic anonymous creeps who would know a great country if it fell on your pathetic pointed little cretin head.

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | July 13, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that the harshest criticisms of Obama and his wife tend to be written by people who haven't mastered Emglish grammar.

Posted by: allmymarbles | July 13, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama Wins,

You are correct in his biography- where it is misrepresented is in the "I grew up without a father just like much of the rest of the community. In Dreams of My Father, he writes about feeling the outsider to the community, largely because his experience is not the experience of almost anyone else in the community (or the world)--his father was a brilliant but flawed Kenyan PHD and his mother was a quirky white PHD. He was raised in Hawaii with a few years in Jakarta (step dad Lelo, an Indonesian bureaucrat- which is an upper middle class job in Indonesia) mostly by his grandparents, who were white, middle class and from Kansas.
Honolulu is not known for it's discrimination against African Americans, as the population is mixed Asian, Islander and European-American. It was the 1960s and 1970s too. This experience is very different from people who grew up in poverty, or with no education in the family, or in states where racism is more rampant and evident. It does not disqualify him from speaking on the subject, he can speak on any subject he chooses to- it just means that he has no more understanding of the subject than anyone else outside of the community- he learned about it in sociology books and journal articles- not from experience.

Jackson was born to an unwed teenage mother without a highschool degree in SC- he actually knows more than a little bit about the subject. I think what drove him to say what he said was that pointing the finger at the African American male, who makes choices not in a vaccuum, but in a world with multiple sociological and economical issues- is a way of pandering to the white conservative voters rather than solving the problems in the community- which will require broad societal action more than preaching- is taking advantage of the fact that 92% of African Americans will vote for him due to skin color rather than policies or positions. I think after spending a lifetime fighting for those policies- the squandering of this opportunity for politics sake angers Jackson.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Mr Jon, suh, we'll wait until we come up with the right Negro that you approve of. Until then, we'll just sit here at the back of the bus, or room, or outside the back door, waiting........
BTW, you might want to bring your grammar up to at leas the Obama level. Thank you so much, kind suh. Yes, massa

Jon | July 13, 2008 9:13 PM
It is very simple, though you will never admit it yourself. A perfect example of this can be found in her comments about her life. Throughout her ivy league scholastic career, in her own words she said how, though her white friends and professors always treated her with respect and kindness, she always knew in the back of her mind that she was different, that they thought she was different. This, from a woman who had every reason to shun the typical race-baiting "we can't succeed in this country because people hate us" still chose to cling to it. She believed it because she wanted to believe it; not by anything her peers or professors presented to her. It is just one of many examples.
Her and her husband both cling to it as if their lives depend on it; their church, the books they have wrote, the people they associate with, the political positions that they take. Open your eyes and see.
I have no problem voting for a person of color; I would stand in line for a week in the rain to vote for Condi... But I will not vote for someone who is anti-America, no mater what their skin tone is.


Posted by: obama wins | July 13, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

With respect to black people taking responsibility for ourselves; Barack needs a reality check.

Ideally he will stop posturing at the expense of black folks, and start giving speeches that focus on recognition and encouragement vs. chastising and stereotyping. He could start by citing accomplishments of African Americans as examples that can be followed by everyone else. Barack is pretending like the impressive progress, contribution, and impact of African Americans, comes from something other than acting out of "our responsibility to ourselves". African Americans have made great strides in our communities, while at the same time, taking responsibility for the unpopular role of pushing the overall progress of a nation on its most sensitive issues. NHIC statistics show that over the past 30 years, blacks have made greater strides than any other ethnic group (statistical tie with APac groups) in reducing teenage and unwed mother birthrates.

Perhaps we need to act like teenagers and say to Barack, that his lecture on the need to address these issues is so 1980's, that nobody needs to hear this stuff anymore.

Thanks to the efforts of civil rights and community organizations, there has been continual progress on social and moral issues. However, groups working to build a sense of personal responsibility in folks whose judgment (or lack of) leads them to create institutions (and campaigns) that game the system, do need the help of presidential bully pulpit. The emphasis for folks with the power to impact broad policy should be on finding ways to build systems that reward hard work, and insist on fair play, and not on morale reminders better delivered by ministers.

Posted by: mustBfiremen | July 13, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Try a little English, dear. And maybe a mirror to your inner self. SCARY, huh?

Sabrina | July 13, 2008 9:26 PM
Michelle Obama is an fugly.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I would be curious as to what way Michelle Obama is "superior" to me, or anyone else posting on this site... Please explain.
Previous Post:
"You wouldn't even deserve to touch the ground that Michelle walked on. Jealousy is SOOOOOOOO obvious. Or is it that you can't STAND to see a black woman so superior to you. Nevermind, I know, don't bother your ugly little head: it's both."

Posted by: Bill | July 13, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

After Joe Lieberman I, for one, am full up on santimony. Let's stick to the issues, Senator. You know, minor stuff like war and the economy. That you presume to teach us about life and morals is presumptious, to say the least.

Posted by: allmymarbles | July 13, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse


Did Obama talk tough love to blacks on Chicago's South Side back in 1996, when he ran for the Illinois state senate?

How about in 2000 when he ran for the U.S. House of Representatives against Bobby Rush?

This is the new, brighter, and much much whiter Obama, repackaged for national politics.

Posted by: WylieD | July 13, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Let me introduce you to the facts. His father left when he was 2 years old. His mother then remarried & he had a step father for a few years. His major male figure was his grand father. In essence, he had no father for most of his childhood. Reading his 1st book will fill you in very nicely and repalce fiction with fact.

juan | July 13, 2008 1:55 PM
Obama said in a statement that he spoke as someone who was raised without a father in his home.
But he had a father (not biological) in the home for all but 2 years of his childhood.
Is that a lie? Exaggeration?
Compared to Hillary's "sniper-gate", this is much worse and more indicative of poor character.
I love how the double standard just props up this Obama man who is so shallow.

Posted by: obama wins | July 13, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

WoW this blog has the most racist posters spewing crap from it.

Posted by: Scott | July 13, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama always borrows words from other people's speeches that he admires. Wonder what words he will "borrow" from his churchs man of the year, Louis Farrakhan's speaches? When Louis is not talking about how evil all white men are and how all white men owe blacks reparations, he has taken the time to tell black men they need to take care of the children they help create. Any news organizations going to take the time to compare Obama's speeches to Farrakhan's?

Posted by: tiredofit | July 13, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama is an fugly.

Posted by: Sabrina | July 13, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Me thinks you just chsnge initials & post the same theme every few minutes. It's called fixation, probably clinically OCD. Get professional help.

DS | July 13, 2008 1:38 PM

Posted by: obama wins | July 13, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I am tired of hearing Obama lecturing people and complaining about America. For each problem the country has, Obama can pull a solution out of his as*. What a whiner and moaner.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse


"Given his example of overcoming a less than perfect family situation and his oratory and policy skills, I can think of few others who are in a better position to advocate for the family."

But Bill Clinton already served two terms and can't run again.

Posted by: WylieD | July 13, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Ain't reality a hitch, GJ. Wake up, smell the coffee, then go vote McWeekender. Obama doesn't need or want the likes of your vote.

GJ | July 13, 2008 1:24 PM
The audacity of Barack Obama knows no bounds. It's certainly not Obama's place to be critical of absentee fathers. Obviously, since his own father abandoned him, it's an extra sensitive issue with him.

If Obama were genuinely concerned about black absentee fathers, he would practice what he's "preaching". Candidates running for President spend little or NO time with their OWN children. Obama has two young daughters. Obama should pull out of this Presidential race, he's neither qualified or electable, and focus on his OWN family!

The Democratic party would be wise to nominate the most qualified and most electable candidate they have, Hillary Clinton. Hillary has already won the popular vote, winning MORE votes than ANY candidate of ANY party in history! Let's give credit where it's long overdue.

Rock on Hillary! Superdelegates take note! The ACTUAL nomination takes place in late August in Denver at the DNC convention. Open up the nominating process to a REAL democratic process with real ballots, real votes and COUNT ALL THE VOTES! Wow, that actually be real democracy. Let's do it!


Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't be hard on white fathers because he doesn't have the balls to do it. He needs their votes. Obama is a con man. Go to Iraq and Afghanistan. Hope your plane crashes.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

It is very simple, though you will never admit it yourself. A perfect example of this can be found in her comments about her life. Throughout her ivy league scholastic career, in her own words she said how, though her white friends and professors always treated her with respect and kindness, she always knew in the back of her mind that she was different, that they thought she was different. This, from a woman who had every reason to shun the typical race-baiting "we can't succeed in this country because people hate us" still chose to cling to it. She believed it because she wanted to believe it; not by anything her peers or professors presented to her. It is just one of many examples.
Her and her husband both cling to it as if their lives depend on it; their church, the books they have wrote, the people they associate with, the political positions that they take. Open your eyes and see.
I have no problem voting for a person of color; I would stand in line for a week in the rain to vote for Condi... But I will not vote for someone who is anti-America, no mater what their skin tone is.

Posted by: Jon | July 13, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Just woundering, how can Obama blame the absentee's black father is he cause of all ill in balck community, when we have an excellent example in Obama's itself. Today he is where, is only due to his father absence in his life. It's only the education that makes a different specially a girl. Today you invest in educating a girl you will reap for next seven generations.

Posted by: sudhirprannath | July 13, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

LaVaugn or LaWanda... It's all ghetto and lower-middle class to me.

Posted by: Dianne72 | July 13, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I think Greg Neubuck is clinging to his religion, way of life, whatever; I do not think him an idiot. I'm curious as to what Mr. Neubuck thinks is wrong with Black Liberation Theology and a president who follows it. Even the Marxist aspects. I'm not too convinced the way we are headed is the right way. Maybe we need some change from the far far far far left to get us back on course. Capitilism isnt what it used to be. Besides, O would get enough push back that even if all this stuff Neubuck said was true it would just result in minor change presuming Obama can wheel and deal at all.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

"Tough Love" Yeah right! Obama has taken a page from Bill Cosby and Jackson's comments were on the money! This is how I feel this all came out. Obama is trying to bring the White voters he lost with previous comments, so he's feeling if he can have tough words for the Black male then he'll get there vote. See I for one think Sen Barack Obama throughout this Race has been given too many gifts.

When the outcome of this race ends once again Obama will put on one of his many faces of Speeches! The biggest BS Artist or the Gift of Gab either one works. And to Hell with the UnPatriotic Obama family as a whole!

Posted by: CashNDC | July 13, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Let us not forget that one of the neglectful and deadbeat fathers Obama was speaking of was in fact, a married Jesse Jackson who had an affair with one of his employees that created a child that he has little contact with. He does not and should not be a voice for any community, and Bill Cosby's illicit behavior is also a problem, drugging women and molesting them, paying off others he had affairs with is just as abhorrent. Barack Obama seems to be the first generation of leader who appears to be less of a hypocrite and that is why voters are so excited about him, his wife, and family and the prospect that they bring to our nation.

Posted by: Obama Voter '08 | July 13, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I think the problem some white people have with Michelle is that she is descended from ancestors of American slavery and therefore must be racist. You will never get diane to admit it..

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

ummm....Greg Nuebeck - you're an idiot

Posted by: John D in Houston | July 13, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Jon,

Please explain to me how Michelle Obama is Senator Obama's racist wife? If you watch her communicate, and pay attention, what part of her communication is racist?

Posted by: JohnD in Houston | July 13, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

is her middle name really sheniqua??

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come on, are you really falling for the obvious lies from the racist redneck right?

Her middle name is LaVaugn, not that it matters...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72 - what is your problem? Obviously, to anyone who pays attention, Michelle Obama is an educated, essentially non-racial individual. Why do you continue to hang on this site and throw invective at her? She's not even running for president.

Posted by: JohnD in Houston | July 13, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Jeez... you people are so stupid... This is contrived to appeal to the white voters who are scared of Obama and his racist wife; and it is very well planned and orchestrated; too well planned.
Jessie Jackson is the most well-known race-bating figure in the public eye, and if HE takes a shot at Obama, it makes Obama look good.
What is the proof that this is a scam? Did you hear any of this from Obama in the primaries? I am assuming that 50% of black kids were still being raised without a father a few months ago, but now all the sudden it is an 'issue' that not only needs to be mentioned, but continually mentioned, over and over, until we all get it...
This is all a ploy, and it seems like a Clinton trick to me; some of that double-speak. Maybe the two sides have kissed and made up...

Posted by: Jon | July 13, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

pristine white house walls??? lol. every red hue in that place is really painted with the blood of innocent children. true story.

is her middle name really sheniqua??

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Ofcourse, the issue of absentee fathers touches not on sociology and economic state of the American family. But lets not forget health. There are individuals who do not know an important part of their health history because absentee fathers are not part of their childrens lives. Imagine you are diagnosed with Cancer, Heart Disease, or High Blood Pressure and do not know what side of your family the illness can be traced to. For those who commentators who have included "funny" or trite" comments about "African American" culture , you people should be ashamed of yourselves. Absentee Fathers is a serious problem in this Country that affects not just the African American community, Hispanic Community and Caucasian communities.

Posted by: sunnyside1 | July 13, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Hasn't Bill Cosby been speaking about the very same issues in the black communities for YEARS now? Only he was criticized by the blacks as being too "white".

Posted by: CR | July 13, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"Men who have not abandoned their wives and children don't need to listen."

is the problem. define abandon. when a divorce results doesn't that take two people not getting along. Just because in most instances a woman ends up being able to keep the house and the children does not mean a man is any more at fault and that he has abandoned anyone because I'm pretty sure alot of men wouldnt mind getting the kids and the home, were that to happen; then by that logic, would it be the woman who abandoned the family?. And in the instance of men who ran off when the woman got pregnant - in all honesty, I get pissed at my grandmother for my concocted last name and her not knowing for certain who gramps was, for her not being able to keep her legs shut etc...but I'm here because of it, so it is what it is. Obama could just as easily rail against his white momma who casually bedded and had children of men from just about every ethnic group, let him tell it...

my thing is, where is this luminary who made the "a more perfect union" speach? The guy who asked people to look beyond "knee jerk" reactions and asked them to look into the intricacies of a problem instead of just the surface or repeating talking heads. All I'm seeing is a guy who when his ass is on the line, he says what needs to be said. Right now whats on the line is his own political viability and ability to pull conservative clinton dems. who on many occassion have actually stated they have a problem voting for a black man (see kentucky exit polls i'd imagine its worse than what folk will admit to in all areas)What better way to do that than call for some good old up from the boot strap rhetoric against black men - he is distancing himself from black men even though he is one, because being one is detrimental at this point in the race.

and another person mentioned being invoked by personal experiences, of course, we all are. and sometimes they are at odds with what others have experienced. I happen to beleive this issue of black family is a complex one and deserves more than what Obama is giving it, probably from personal experience. I consider it an injustice because people in our community actually look to him for insightful commentary and not the knee jerk reactionary rhetoric he has taken to peddling against black men for political purposes.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

These are some of the most idiotic comments I've ever seen on the Internet. And I thought people who read news sites were smarter than the average American....

Posted by: D Alpaugh | July 13, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"Men who have not abandoned their wives and children don't need to listen."

is the problem. define abandon. when a divorce results doesn't that take two people not getting alone. Just because in most instances a woman ends up being able to keep the house and the children does not mean a man is any more at fault. And in the instance of men who ran off when they got pregnant - in all honesty, I get pissed at my grandmother for my concocted last name and her not knowing for certain who gramps was, for her not being able to keep her legs shut etc...but I'm here because of it, so it is what it is. Obama could just as easily rail against his white momma who casually bedded men of just about every ethnic group let him tell it...

my thing is, where is this luminary who made the "a more perfect union" speach? The guy who asked people to look beyond "knee jerk" reactions. All I'm seeing is a guy who when his ass is on the line, he says what needs to be said. Right now whats on the line is his own political viability and ability to pull conservative clinton dems. who on many occassion have actually stated they have a problem voting for a black man (see kent exit polls i'd imagine its worse than what folk will admit to in all areas)What better way to do that than call for some good old boot strap rhetoric against black men - he is distancing himself from black men.

and another person mentioned being invoked by personal experiences, of course, we all are. and sometimes they are at odds with what others have experienced. I happen to beleive this issue of black family is a complex one and deserves more than what Obama is giving it. I consider it an injustice because people in our community actually look to him for insightful commentary and not the knee jerk reactionary rhetoric he has taken to peddling against black men for political purposes.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

AA? Is that a battery or Alcoholics Anonymous? Seriously, how would white people feel if someone kept coming up with a new term for "white" every five years, as though white people soiled everything they touched, even their name?

Posted by: treetopflyer | July 13, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Two things-

First of all "mouth watering for an Obama presidency"- I guess that is because the last 8 years have been so bad. However, you are in for a big disappoitnment if you think that he will be anything but the tactical politician with only a rhetorical agenda that he has shown himself to be again and again. McCain is clearly worse, as he is a right wing ideologue on most important issues- so I would encourage everyone to vote for Barak...Just don't hold out your hopes for this massive "change"...cause it ain't coming.

Secondly- it is not daring or even unique to talk about personal responsibility for the AA community. It is daring for a politician to actually say we as a country have a lot to do with this problem- it is ecological and not just a simple matter of choices. Education on better choices and preaching does little or nothing- society must take on it's responsibility. To compare Barak and Jackson's upbringings just because there was a father in neither of their lives is very misleading. Jackson was the illigitimate son of a teenage African American woman in SC at the height of racism in the US. He was raised by a mother with less than a HS education. Barak is the son of a white PHD, college professor and a Kenyan PHD in Hawwaii who was brought up primarily by his white middle class grandparents- preaching about what it is like to be an AA in a single family household is misleading at best.

Leon

Posted by: NYC Leon | July 13, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

"Trying to be all things to all men."

He learned well by watching the Clintons.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

norman, dianne72. No matter what you and others of your ilk feel, post, say whichever OBAMA will be our next President. Its an absolute forgone conclusion. All this hate is backfiring. No one particularly wants to vote for a 72 year old man who's mental state is at question. Seriusly. Its truly not meant for McCain to be president. Sad but true.

I just really dont know what else to say on this right now. Only I'm so settled on an OBAMA Presidency it just makes my mouth water waiting for Nov.4th to come so history will be made.

Im ready. Are you folks ready?

Posted by: llewis40 | July 13, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

If the shoe fits, wear it. Men who have not abandoned their wives and children don't need to listen. But Jesse Jackson himself has left his wife and child, so he got mad.

Posted by: Bodo | July 13, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

You can either choose to be duped by all the discourse intended to obfuscate the true character of Obama's religion, OR make an objective appraisal based on your own intelligence of the historical facts which are irrefutable. Obama is neither Christian nor Muslim. Unless he has had one of his very frequent epiphanies in the last week or two, he is a disciple and practitioner of Black Liberation Theology whose tenants have been amply articulated by Jeremiah Wright and James Cone. For 20yrs. Obama, under the tutorial of the fanatical Reverend Wright, immersed himself and his family in Black Liberation Theology, a Marxist derivative which rejects Christianity; and, which professes that the White race is equivalent to the Devil. It's amazing that anyone would be shocked at Obama's perverted view of the Bible. Rev. Wright's mentor, Black Liberation theologian, James Cone, in his book "For My People" states: "The Christian faith does not possess in its nature the means for analyzing the structure of capitalism. Marxism, as a tool of social analysis, can disclose the gap between appearance and reality, and thereby help Christians to see how things really are." It is this logic, reinforced by his mother who was an avowed Marxist, which has schooled Obama to seek economic parity in America thru income redistribution; i.e. Marxist Socialism; and, is an overriding theme of his campaign. Further, noone should be surprised at Obama's proclamation that American is NOT a Christian Nation. Although the Obama campaign has painstakingly attempted to lay a smokescreen to confuse the past religious associations of their candidate, hopefully a Christian America will send Obama an unmistakable message in November. It's what you get with an un-vetted candidate whose only skill is reciting a text from a teleprompter while even Jesse Jackson admits Obama arrogantly looks down his nose and "talks down to the audience." A characteristic which was front and center in Obama's comments about bitter folks in Small Town America who "Cling to their religion." Greg Neubeck

Posted by: Greg Neubeck | July 13, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

The black family today consists of a woman, often under 20, with 3 children, 3, 2, and 1. There is no husband in 70-80 % of the babies. These children are doomed to fail. There is no time for the mother to help the children with homework, if that is needed. There is no money for anything. It's a disgrace.

Obama has done the black community a TREMENDOUS service in pointing this out. We need to see more and more discussions of this. Bill Cosby has said this, and he gets criticized.

How come the black community does not go after the men? A WHOLE lot of men should be in jail for statutory rape.

Posted by: POed Lib | July 13, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama said: "But we also have to recognize there's a particularly problem when more than half of African American children are growing up without a father in the house and often times not even knowing their father."

So, why isn't Jesse Jackson spending more time with his love child?

Posted by: Rev. Wright | July 13, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ron - yep, Obama - he is quite the fool and he's gonna get fooled in november.

Posted by: Ronnie | July 13, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

obama is using black men trying to give a speech on family values to fool the hell out of you white people,it's obvious he's fooling the hell out of ya. LOL

Posted by: ron | July 13, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

My momma loves white chocolate only, Dr Don Key. Obama tries to be white when it behooves him and black when he's with his kind. Trying to be all things to all men. Another name for that is GOD

Posted by: MadeForTV | July 13, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Casual pregnancy and rootless black children are huge problems; Obama is right.
Thousands of black children are neglected and abused--ignored, their developmental needs never considered. Their mothers begin their families on Welfare at 15 years of age, never considering the life this will bring the child. Unparented, these children turn to crime against whites to get the material things they want. The black ghetto in America is worse than a third world country, but black women, just as much as black men, need to assume some responsibility for the lives they bring into this world, not just for the childrens' sakes, but for Society's sake. It's a crying shame that we let these children suffer.

Posted by: Iintgrty | July 13, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The issue of fathers being irresponsible is not black and white, Asian or Hispanic. This goes to all races and backgrounds. I adopted three boys from the social services in my area. These boys are the product of broken homes due to drugs, alcoholism and mental illness. Their fathers are just selfish for not even thinking about their sufferings and mental trauma due to neglect.

Posted by: bigben1986 | July 13, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Casual pregnancy and rootless black children are huge problems; Obama is right.
Thousands of black children are neglected and abused--ignored, their developmental needs never considered. Their mothers begin their families on Welfare at 15 years of age, never considering the life this will bring the child. Unparented, these children turn to crime against whites to get the material things they want. The black ghetto in America is worse than a third world country, but black women, just as much as black men, need to assume some responsibility for the lives they bring into this world, not just for the childrens' sakes, but for Society's sake. It's a crying shame that we let these children suffer.

Posted by: Mr Chips | July 13, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I slept with Dianne72 last night and she did not even realize she ahd a black man's d*ck in her mouth. Yep, we can be so light that you think we are white. Do you know how many stupid white girls I have had in my life time and they thought I was an Italian? LOL!!!

Posted by: Iraq Vet | July 13, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72 you are truly one tariler trash ignorant bigot.

Posted by: Iraq Vet | July 13, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why it's so hard for some folks to understand why "this" guy, who grew up without his father in his life, feels and speaks so strongly on paternal responsibility.

I'm 100% certain that many of the comments on this page arise out of various (early or late) life-altering events--if we only knew.

So, Barack Obama, I don't blame you for attempting to ensure other people don't suffer what you believe was an unfortunate "knock" in your own life. Perhaps you're one of those rare people who tries to make better for others, what was not made better for yourself.

I say, speak on whatever topic that moves you. Preach. Inspire. Move whatever mountains you feel need moving. Some folks will criticize; the naysayers will be with us always, unfortunatley. They're the ones without original thoughts or the energy or words or "nerve" to act or inspire. They'll be the losers.

Be the winner you were born to be!!!

O

Posted by: Ollie | July 13, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Getting back to the original topic at hand, the preponderance of research in the social sciences, education, economics and medicine that has measured both race and family composition tends to show that family composition statistically accounts for a large proportion of the differences between white and black samples. What this means in plain English is that people from two parent families, on average, have certain advantages such as higher income, better school performance and better health. Because a larger percentage of whites live in two parent families, they tend to report better income, school performance and health on average. In other words, generally speaking, taking the responsibility to form and maintain stable two parent families pays off. It doesn't explain everything and yes there are many exceptions, but as a general rule, the principle holds.

Now the problem is, what is the best way to get the message across that responsible parenthood pays off in the long run? If a researcher like me reports this finding, then the very individuals that need to be reached either 1) don't understand the math or 2) assume that I am just another pointy headed nerd who doesn't understand what it is like to live in the "real world." (I have even been accused of beating up on single mothers, as if my year as a widower with children didn't give me a whole new level of appreciation for their situation.) Churches who try to teach this message risk making the individuals who most need the message uncomfortable and scare them away from the chapels. If schools try to teach responsible family behavior, they are frequently accused of teaching morality. Politicians generally avoid this issue like the plague for fear of loosing votes.

Mr. Obama, however, is in a unique position in our history. As the son of a less than responsible father, he understands the pain of a fatherless child. As an individual who recognized the consequences of his own father's behavior, he overcame his role model's shortcomings and became a responsible father. His background coupled with his race puts him in a unique position to be an example and a role model for other fatherless children in the black community as well as the rest of America. He is in a unique position to give them hope.

Given his example of overcoming a less than perfect family situation and his oratory and policy skills, I can think of few others who are in a better position to advocate for the family. Thank you, Mr. Obama, for the courage to bring this very difficult and sensitive issue up in the context of an election. And thank you most of all for supporting the family - both in thought and deed.

Posted by: Dr. S1 | July 13, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Nothing Barack can say about black fecklessness will persuade whites to vote for him. We just do not want a black president, nor a black first lady walking with her big black feet on the WH carpet.

Posted by: norman ravitch | July 13, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

response to: (MadeForTV | July 13, 2008 6:15 PM)

What does his being 1/2 white have to do with it? Mad 'coz your momma likes dark chocolate?

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | July 13, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Jesse Jackson hasn't been relevant in the world of politics, for several decades. Yes, institutionalized racism indeed exists in America, but personal responsibility plays a role as well. If you refuse to wear a raincoat on a stormy day, you're gonna get wet, and you must deal with the consequences. In a moderate-to-conservative country that is still haunted by the Puritans, you simply cannot win a presidential election from left field. Jackson's own presidential bid proves that.

Posted by: Dr. Don Key | July 13, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

The marketing of Obama is out of control. We need to know who the hell this guy is and I don't want any two-bit marketeer telling me what this guy has done or will do. At this point, he does nothing but say what it takes to be the "everything" to everyone. McCain would run rings around this guy and is more suitable to care for this country should be under attack. Obama would run for the hills to save his 1/2 white ass.

Posted by: MadeForTV | July 13, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Yes neglecting your family, campaigning 24/7 and using your kids as a media prop is such a great example of fatherhood. Way to go Obama!

Posted by: mountain man | July 13, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

This guy sure spends a lot of time defending himself.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | July 13, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse


"Clean up your act, black fathers." Yadda yadda. "Watch your mouth, Bernie Mac." Blah blah. "No divisive talk, Rev Wright."

Barack Obama, repackaged for national politics. Now brighter and much, much whiter.

Posted by: WylieD | July 13, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

It's not Obama's approach nor is it Jackson's approach that will ultimately work. Just lecturing and throwing people in jail doesn't work, we've been doing that for years. Nor does it work to not have jobs, health care, and a good eduction available for people because the USA has sent all it's money over to Iraq. We have to design some kind of balanced approach. One that doesn't focus on just "blaming the victim," and one that doesn't let him or her off the hook either. And, one, that hopefully and ultimately will focus on funding and developing programs that do work. However, as it is now, things are too polarized and the American economy is so down the tubes that accomplishing anything is really not on the horizon. As for Obama, he is a very smart man and I am sure he sees all this. But, since his short term focus is to get elected, he is going to play up on a more conservative approach as this will be better for his electoral chances.

Posted by: Joseph | July 13, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Ride on Obama.
We all know morale can't be legislated. Keep on harping on the issue until it sinks in.

Posted by: beenthere7 | July 13, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

It does not matter how many substantive speeches Obama gives. David Broder will continue to call him "opaque" and an "enigma." Reporters like Bacon who are rightly trying to get at the substance are being systematically marginalized by the superficial rethoric of the argogant holdovers at his own workplace, Broder, Cohen & Cie. Too bad it has to be that way.

Posted by: regisurgel | July 13, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Freedom must necessarily include the opportunity to make poor choices, including the choice to walk away from parental responsibilities. Often the public is left holding the bag because of our unwillingness to let children suffer because of the poor choices of their parents. The ability of the general public to step up to the plate in these circumstances is completely dependent on the available wealth to financially step in.

It also enable the dysfunctal choices. There is no easy way out. Men are dysfunctional dogs. Women need to show more care.

Posted by: Ed | July 13, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

McJoke = McCain giving stump speech on why he's never lead at anything, even with a litle affirmative action going on .Now he wants to lead America the Beautiful into the 21st Century.Think maybe Barack could get Rushmo Limbaugh 4 Press Secretary? Ever time I hear him call his name it gives me a Rush.
Obamaaaaaaaaaaaaa, The Magic Negro.

God Blessed America with Her Silly ways

Posted by: rentamob | July 13, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Perry Bacon writes: "Sen. Barack Obama said he would continue to chastise absentee black fathers and deliver tough love speeches to the black community, even if the Rev. Jesse Jackson doesn't like it."

This is called "Good cop--Bad cop". obama trying to appease the whites and Jackson who makes big money if his people remain pregnant and living in poverty. Wouldn't be much money to make for scum like Jackson if all blacks were little Sunday School teachers now would it? BarryO on the other hand is trying to schmooze the white right by actually acting like he really gives a damned. He didn't give a rats patoot when he was running the ghetto renovation project in South Chicago. He took the funds and used them to party and publish his lame book.

Posted by: NoBamaFan | July 13, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with people????? Bill Cosby comes out and chastises black men for not supporting their children....Barack echoes those same sentiments...what is wrong with that???

I'm a68yr old black man with two adult sons. I graduated from a Wash. DC high school...my father was a deadbeat dad but my mother struggled to raise me and my two siblings and thanks to a strong family network we made it...

Has anyone driven thru any poor housing section in DC or any other metro city???What comprises these housing areas??? An abundance of children being raised mostly by moms...Where are the fathers???

If you can't be part of the household at least send support money for your child instead of making more babies and creating this situation...As far as I am concerned they can jail every deadbeat dad after he has his day in court...people say how can he pay if he is in jail...well the reason he is in jail is because he WAS NOT PAYING CHILD SUPPORT...Maybe when he gets out he will fear another jail trip and pay support....

Posted by: Ron Lawray | July 13, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Since single parenthood occurs 25% of the time in the white community, this is not just a problem in the black community only. Obama is positioning himself in the political middle on this entire issue. Jackson probably did him a favor as his remark let Obama distance himself politically from appearing "too black," on domestic issues. Although racism and lack of jobs remains a significant issue in the black community, much of the white community doesn't see it that way. And, for many rich whites, poor blacks are just seen as "lazy," "malingering" and "getting what they deserve." So, Obama has to take this political situation into account. Therefore, by "brow beating" poor blacks a little bit, he will get some political points in the white middle/upper class, even though this (lecturing) is all something the black community has often heard before. Will the strategy work to help Obama get elected, perhaps. Is it however a strategy that does work in terms of improving the lot of the black community? No, of course not, and like I said, lecturing and brow beating on these issues has been going on for years within the black community and that approach has not helped at all.

Posted by: Joseph | July 13, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

@stupidity abound.

I guess you have never heard of a woman in college to receive her M.R.S. degree, or Mrs. in her title. It happens. Spelman is full of them which is no surprise considering the school was founded with the express purpose of educating women to be good, cultured family women. Alot has changed since then, but not so much to say some women, even highly educated ones, view a baby as a way to exercise upward social mobility. Especially a man with a promising future (one in college himself). It definitely happens. Obama should just stay away from the issue, but it is what white people want to hear, and alot of black women apparently, so it is politicaly expedient I guess.

Cosby is different from Obama. Cosby is more generational and equal opportunity critiquing. Obama is dogging black men by talking about fatherhood but missing completely on contributing factors, namely black women. It should just be a non issue. Family values has no place with democratic candidates. Leave that to republicans and those that are intolerant of the many different ways people choose to live their lives. You cant hve it both ways

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

We'll see if Barry has the cojones to advise his people to keep their underpants on until they are out of their teens, preferably when they are working and can take proper care of offspring that result. Liberals keep telling us that what is needed is more sex education. What is needed is more literacy in that community.
The 70% black illegitimacy rate contributes mightily to black poverty and incarceration. And tell the kids to shut off BET and MTV and read books instead.

Posted by: mhr | July 13, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

It is decades past time to reduce the out of wedlock, (ie unintended) pregancies that tie a black teenager or woman and her child to poverty.


Perhaps Obama is one of those males, who approve and in fact encourage this out of wedlock birth rate among black women.


Posted by: JohnAdams1 | July 13, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The Obama haters are out in force. We can all practice right now:

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

FIRST LADY MICHELLE OBAMA

Posted by: POed Lib | July 13, 2008 4:23 PM
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LMAO!! The only place you'll be hearing that abominable chant is in your own household maybe. Do you Gore throwbacks have a "I follow failure" gene or something?

Posted by: NoBamaFan | July 13, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Only an idiot would be dumb enough to vote for obama. If you can't see his transparency at this point in the game, you have no business even being near a voting booth!

Posted by: NoBamaFan | July 13, 2008 5:20 PM

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WELL, THAT SUMS IT UP!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I am looking forward to Michelle Obama being first lady. She will be more entertaining than Billy Carter, I guarantee it.

I wonder who will be teaching the kids piano and dancing at the White House next year?

Posted by: TheManKeepingYouDown | July 13, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Dear JenDC,

Please stop hating. We know your name is really LaHonda, Shwanda, Shaweena, Litisha, Kminisha, ect...

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 13, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Only an idiot would be dumb enough to vote for obama. If you can't see his transparency at this point in the game, you have no business even being near a voting booth!

Posted by: NoBamaFan | July 13, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama has not gone far enough. He needs to preach to grandfathers and grandmothers, aunts, uncles, cousins friends and total strangers who come along and see someone in need.

This man is not presidential material. He sounds more like what his background is, a community organizer. Hopefully there are enough intelligent voters out there black, white, hispanic, women and students of voting age that can spot a phony when they see one.

Posted by: ziggy1 | July 13, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with people????? Bill Cosby comes out and chastises black men for not supporting their children....Barack echoes those same sentiments...what is wrong with that???

I'm a68yr old black man with two adult sons. I graduated from a Wash. DC high school...my father was a deadbeat dad but my mother struggled to raise me and my two siblings and thanks to a strong family network we made it...

Has anyone driven thru any poor housing section in DC or any other metro city???What comprises these housing areas??? An abundance of children being raised mostly by moms...Where are the fathers???

If you can't be part of the household at least send support money for your child instead of making more babies and creating this situation...As far as I am concerned they can jail every deadbeat dad after he has his day in court...people say how can he pay if he is in jail...well the reason he is in jail is because he WAS NOT PAYING CHILD SUPPORT...Maybe when he gets out he will fear another jail trip and pay support....

Posted by: Ron Lawray | July 13, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

This will be construed as a racist comment however its factual. Obama also needs to preach to african american women since statistics show that many have several children with different fathers therefore it opens the door for the black male to leave because he's not sure which child is actually his. Fact.

Posted by: ziggy1 | July 13, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama's plan to fix the problem is to tax America to pay for all fatherless children. I wonder what children will benefit the most from this.

Why do we have to pay for the "Only Men On the Planet" Children?!?!? They're "Men" right?!?! Come on!

I'm just a "Whiteboy" but I take care of my Manly duties like a REAL MAN should!

I have enough bills with my own family. If the "Only Men on the Planet" can't hack it then maybe they should STFU and stop calling everyone else boys...

F Obama!

Posted by: Reality | July 13, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

to l -poster - you are racist - if you think that the White Community is strong in comparison the Black American community
you are just an ignornat racist.

How is the White AMerican community strong ? Through evil, dishonesty and racism?
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JUST POSTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS RACIST.
u didnt have to go there to begin with and it is racist in its purest form... shame on you.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Dear HonestAbe,

I have no fleshy white folds. I generally have few folds because I have a fairly athletic build, so it's more muscularity than fatty. And I'm brown.

But good come back. Very intelligently argued.

Posted by: Jen DC | July 13, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

As an AA male who grew up without father, but is now married with kids. I am done with the excuse making. Somebody has to break the cycle. The government can and will not fix these issues.

Also, to my white liberal friends. Slavery, Jim Crow, etc has contributed to this issue, but so did failing in Great Society policy. During the economic downturns of the 80s black families took a beating which welfare policies which punished a low income father for staying in the home. The family could get more support if he simply left. I observed this phenomena first hand.

Black single parent household were NOT the norm 50 years ago.

Stop knocking Obama for telling the truth (which by the way he has been telling for years).

Posted by: case | July 13, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

No Comment!

Posted by: Not a pawn to Obama's Con! | July 13, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

to l -poster - you are racist - if you think that the White Community is strong in comparison the Black American community
you are just an ignornat racist.

How is the White AMerican community strong ? Through evil, dishonesty and racism?

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YOU, QueenBee, are a prime example of what's wrong with the black community. Oh, I'm sure the black race is doing just fine. It must be perfectly okay with you that blacks are the most uneducated race in America. It must also be okay with you that blacks make up a very large majority in the nation's prisons. It must also be okay with you that nearly 50% of black families are single-parent. You really need a strong dose of reality if you think the black community is doing just dandy!

When I, a black person, spot these faults in my community, INSTEAD of ignoring them and calling everyone who points them out racists, I aim to help fix them. Instead of accepting the sterotypes, I try to fight them.

You seem to have misunderstood when I said the white community was "strong." "Ahead" is probably a better term. By no means is the white community even close to perfect. There are many ways in which the black community, the hispanic community, or the asian community are "better" than the white community. Being a member of the black race we NEED to stop accepting the status quo, but instead try to make ourselves and our neighbours better, instead of ignoring our problems, REGARDLESS of the status of other races.

If you honestly don't think the black community could be better off or that Obama shouldn't be doing anything to help, your're just as bad as those "ignorant white racists."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I do apologize for my racist, insensitive comments on this board. The truth is, I do support Obama, and hope that he wins the election.

Please accept my apology.

Posted by: Dianne72 | July 13, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

When in the hell did it become the job, role, or mission of the Presidential hopeful or the President for that matter, to involve themsevles in the issue of fatherless homes? Just how intrusive do we want Government in our lives? Castrate the freaking low lifes who continue to sire children and bear little or no responisbility. But until society (and I mean States) et serious about that, Obama and his like should stay the hell out of it. I suppose his solution is to throw Govt money at it.

Posted by: Tyrone | July 13, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I listened to the entire Obama speech on Father's Day. It was not directed at black fathers alone. It was across the board. It was the white media that put it in a racial context because Obama is black.

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | July 13, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Reality First Please: Obama is needed in Germany because the Repubs are getting ready to spend megabucks ridiculing his qualifications to be commander in chief. He's hardly the first candidate to go to places like Germany and the Middle East to make himself seem more presidential. I do like your idea of his visiting Haiti though. I'm sure he'll try harder to help Haiti than the Repubs will.

Posted by: newageblues | July 13, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama haters are out in force. We can all practice right now:

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

FIRST LADY MICHELLE OBAMA
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another one from the polygamist camp! they can see themselves bleeding but try to convince a police officer that the husband didnt do it!

MISS-HELL AND O'BUNGLER WILL NEVER BE OUR CHOICE.... WE HAVE A FAR BETTER CHOICE AND WE HAVE MADE IT!
have you heard recently "PARTY UNITY MY ASS . COM" just raised TEN MILLION DOLLARS for hillarys campaign???? do you think thes millions who are organized against obama will vote for him?

YOU DO THE MATH.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

l wrote "yes - all we need is another country walking in telling us we MUST speak their language.

this, and other mummerings from obama is pointing in a nasty direction.

1. he wants the national anthem changed because of "bombs bursting in air...."

2. he makes fun of AMERICANS on his political rounds for all the world to criticize us. WHO DOES THAT?

3. HE FAVORS OUR MONEY TO PAY FOR THE HEALTH CNDITIONS OF THOSE WHO COMMITED A CRIME TO GET HERE.... JUST WHAT ABOU "ILLEGAL ALIENS" DOES HE NOT UNDERSTAND IS I-L-L-E-G-A-L?

on top of that i must go to work every day so someone in Mexico can decide they need their medical bills paid so they hop the fence and make it to a local hospital and YOU AND ME must pay for someone who isnt even a relative? COULD U BEAT THAT??

just how does he explain to me that I NEED TO GO TO WORK to pay a foreigner's medical bill? Not even a legally entered foreigner!!!!"


This is where I support Obama - he should make fun of dumb people like you -so what if you are the real "Americans"

You are bitter, dumb, uneducated and you cling to gun and false religion

You are simply crabs in a barrel and you have an unrealistically high opinion of yourselves.

You could be a garbage collector in Ohio and you still swear you are superior to Obama or any Harvard Educated Black American.

Posted by: QueeBee | July 13, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

to l -poster - you are racist - if you think that the White Community is strong in comparison the Black American community
you are just an ignornat racist.

How is the White AMerican community strong ? Through evil, dishonesty and racism?

Posted by: Queenbee | July 13, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

And for the anonymous moron who is complaining about all kinds of crap that he is just making up about Obama and health care, you need help. Or you need to get off drugs.

Posted by: POed Lib | July 13, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"Too many young women view a baby as a tool that will help them leave their parent's homes, or bind the young man to them
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IS THAT STUPID OR WHAT?

Posted by: THE STUPIDITY ABOUNDS | July 13, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The Obama haters are out in force. We can all practice right now:

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

FIRST LADY MICHELLE OBAMA

Posted by: POed Lib | July 13, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

yes - all we need is another country walking in telling us we MUST speak their language.

this, and other mummerings from obama is pointing in a nasty direction.

1. he wants the national anthem changed because of "bombs bursting in air...."

2. he makes fun of AMERICANS on his political rounds for all the world to criticize us. WHO DOES THAT?

3. HE FAVORS OUR MONEY TO PAY FOR THE HEALTH CNDITIONS OF THOSE WHO COMMITED A CRIME TO GET HERE.... JUST WHAT ABOU "ILLEGAL ALIENS" DOES HE NOT UNDERSTAND IS I-L-L-E-G-A-L?

on top of that i must go to work every day so someone in Mexico can decide they need their medical bills paid so they hop the fence and make it to a local hospital and YOU AND ME must pay for someone who isnt even a relative? COULD U BEAT THAT??

just how does he explain to me that I NEED TO GO TO WORK to pay a foreigner's medical bill? Not even a legally entered foreigner!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"Too many young women view a baby as a tool that will help them leave their parent's homes, or bind the young man to them, or guarantee money and benefits via child support, WIC, food stamps and other aid programs. When they realize that a baby won't cement a young and/or fractured relationship and doesn't guarantee that steady child support pay out, they become angry at the men and use their free attorneys and femme-biased programs such as protection orders to keep the men away from the children. There are plenty of good men who also want to be good fathers, but they only have the chance to be a steady check for angry women who know how to manipulate the system and prevent those men from fathering."


WOW. I could not have said it better myself. I will keep how I feel about Obama to myself, however I will say Obama does no justice to the issue of black families if he does not speak about the role of black women in all of this. That said, it is probably an issue he should stay away from because it can get sticky and he is savvy enough to stay away from issues like that but maybe he has realized black men are the vote he can do without ..probably some pollster has told him we dont vote and/or cannot vote and do not kep up with events so secure the black women, you know, the black women in grad school with no black male peers because there all in jail, the black women with good credit and a professional job that may go republican - yeah, lock them down by going terry mcmillan. I may have revealed too much about what I think about Obama, that he panders. but how else can a black man be president. dare i say it, maybe a black man shouldnt be president until we can get around that - racial pandering, equivocal, racial appeasement, type behaviors - else any racial victories we proclaim by a November win for the big O may be premature, or worse even, misleading. *sigh* he still has my vote...what a tangled web we weave America

Further, when Obama doesn't visit black forum with Tavis we excuse him, okay...he is running for POTUS not POTBP .unerstandable. So why is it okay to to go the other way with it, I know why. Again, he is running for POTUS and this may be what TUS wants to hear whereas TUS does not want to here a prospective POTUS with Smiley and Cornell. so if you excused one, you almost have to excuse the other. He is running for POTUS. I am excusing both by the way even at my own expense as a black man. Jesse is right about one thing, it is faith based politics because I have to have alot of faith that Obama will be Sam Greenlees Spook for me because e has not shown me much other than the conniving part. but come on Jesse, keep hope alive!!

Posted by: Obama should shut up about that issue | July 13, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

i am the interveiwer and obama is trying to get my vote to get the job as president of the united states so do you bash the interveiwer

Posted by: Antoine | July 13, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

barack claims talents of UNIFICATION and ISPIRATION>>>>>>>>>>> where is the evidence of that?


shouldnt he be showing up by taking himself to places like
1. HAITI - badly in need of inspiration, motivation - and he has a world stage to bring their condition to the world.... in Haiti they are literally eating the mud on the ground mixed with water to survive and living outside while homes cost a mere $6,000.

2. KENYA - why isnt he negotiating a ceaseCIVIL WAR agreement among the factions there where the killing and poverty needs a stop; a new direction?


JUST WHY IS HE NEEDED IN GERMANY????????

Posted by: REALITY FIRST, PLEASE | July 13, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

ObambiBots,
Please start posting your thoughts in Spanish, this is what your rock-star,
"Ricky Obama Martin" wants.

English is no longer important, what is important thou, the "Head Marxist In Charge" needs the Latino vote.

Posted by: Dashriprock | July 13, 2008 4:00 PM

This has got to be one of the most idiotic statements I've seen posted. Your name,taken from the catoon Flintstones, shows your mentality,stone-age and childish.
Oh,and you forgot to use Hussein.

What a moron!

Posted by: jime | July 13, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

If obama believes black fathers should be invovled in rasing their children,,, why the hell is he running for president NOW?

wait 12 years, his kids will be in college.

The presidency is a 24/7 job, not a little part time thing like his senate work

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to start lecturing ANY father of ANY race who abandons his children. Why limit it to just black fathers? Seems racist by definition because he is singling out delinquent fathers of one race to criticize, not delinquent fathers as a whole.

Posted by: double standard | July 13, 2008 3:55 PM
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A. You should be come familiar with the speech before you post. He did address this comment to "all" fathers then went on to say that it is more prevelent in the AA community.

B. There was nothing racist about his statements, he was addressing a primarily black audience on father's day. The comments and subject were totally appropriate.


Posted by: Just another reader | July 13, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Look at these stats: Indeed, the illegitimacy rate among non-Hispanic whites (22.9 percent in 2002, up from 22.5 percent the previous year) is now higher than that 22 percent black rate of four decades ago. By way of contrast, the white illegitimacy rate was 16.9 percent in 1990, and only 1.9 percent back in 1956.

... why isn't Obama talking about this? ... because he would rather use false-negative=stereotypes of black men to pander for "typical white person" votes .. obviously.
And why aren't there any Black men or women on his VP lists? ... is his campaign racial profiling?

Posted by: Cassandra Washington | July 13, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: QueenBee

Obama is encouraging white racism - he never lectures white Americans - and by his only lecturing black America he fuels the lie that white americans are not irresponsible in their own family lives and don't need any lectures on taking personal responsibility for their own dysfunction - and he fuels the lie that racism is ok.

I think that that is wrong but because of the racism of the white american electorate, he has to do what he is doing to have a shot at winning.

But like Michael Eric Dyson said - Obama is not balanced - he does not criticize both black and whites -he's not being honest -

and this is also seen in the flip flopping on issues and moving to the center to appease white uneducated racists.

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Maybe you need to take a reality check on which race is filling up the nation's prisons. Every single social community on the planet has flaes, but the dysfunctions of the white community are in no way equal in magnitude to the dysfunctions of the black community. The black community is in peril. Someone needs to encourage blacks to take responsibilty for their actions.

Furthermore, Barack Obama is a black man, and therefore can relate to the community better than a white man could. Frankly blacks don't trust whites.

I believe the black community can be just as strong and functional as the white, asian, or any other racial community, but the first step is admitting that their is a problem, instead of calling every critic a "racist" a la Jackson/Sharpton.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama did not have his biological father in his house because his white mother flinched and did not follow Obama Senior to Africa. The young woman irresponsibly married and had a child before she ascertained that she was in a position to provide a family within which to raise the child.

Obama Senior spent about a month when Obama was ten trying to talk her into going to Africa then.

Obama Senior already had a child in Kenya and probably saw providing material support to a child in America as unwarranted.

Obama Senior may have lied to her about divorcing his first wife. He might indeed have discarded his first wife if Obama's mother had gone to Africa with him but this appears unlikely since polygamy was a respectable choice in his culture.

The upshot was that a lot of Obama's up-bringing was from his Kansan grandparents.

Posted by: AJM | July 13, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

To all Obama haters:
Does it tickle you to use his middle name,Hussein, like it's related to Saddam?
Only feeble minds like yours would think that. Would you kill everyone named Adolph?
Your sad excuses for Americans. Get over your bigotry and think about this country. Oops! You can't because all you think about are yourselves. Typical repubs.

Posted by: jime | July 13, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

ObambiBots,
Please start posting your thoughts in Spanish, this is what your rock-star,
"Ricky Obama Martin" wants.

English is no longer important, what is important thou, the "Head Marxist In Charge" needs the Latino vote.


Posted by: Dashriprock | July 13, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

80 % of black children today are born to single mothers. These children can succeed but the odds are against them (yes, I know that Clinton and Obama were raised by single mothers, but they were both married when they had the kid). When you have 2 or more kids to a single mother, these kids are lost.

This is a pathology. The black family today is sick, and Obama merely pointed out this fact.

Yes, more children are born to white single mothers, but it is way under 80 %.

So, for all the black whiners, I suggest that you do some repair to your community.

Posted by: POed Lib | July 13, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Like Rev. Jackson - I'm an Obama supporter - however, I think it's healthy to critique Obama.

The truth of the matter is that Rev. Sharpton and Al Sharpton are not as viable a candidate for President - not because they are lesser than Obama as white racists have stated here

it is due to white racism itself.

Sharpton and Jackson can't be the bridge that Obama is - they can't transcend their slavery ancestry - however, Obama can transcend slavery

Additionally, Sharpton and Jackson - although they may be mixed like Obama - do not have "loving" white parents or grandparents anywhere in their history - white was introduced into them via white bigotry, and slavery and genocide

So you see - the history of white racism which is expressed in Sharpton and Jackson's racial makeup -is too much for the average white American to take

Additionally, Jackson and Sharpton are much more blunt than Obama - they tackle racism head on and don't pander to white racists

But on the whole, Obama seems to be a good man - and although his lectures to black Americans are arrogant - the substance of them are not mean or too offensive.

However, it is wrong for him to act as if only black Americans have a problem with personal responsibility and that white americans don't - and to act as if opposing wrongdoing and racism - is the same thing as abdicating personal responsibility

In my book - I think Obama excused white racism when he defended "bitter" uneducated white racists in Pensylvannia and apologized for this comments about how these racists "cling" to guns and religion - there he was speaking the truth

The truth of the matter is that OBama has to be very careful around white Americans - but he can afford to offend black Americans and actually has to - have us like a sister Souljah moment in order to have a shot at the presidency

Posted by: QueenBee | July 13, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to start lecturing ANY father of ANY race who abandons his children. Why limit it to just black fathers? Seems racist by definition because he is singling out delinquent fathers of one race to criticize, not delinquent fathers as a whole.

Posted by: double standard | July 13, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

It's no wonder that Jesse Jackson is mad. That's because Jesse fu.c.ked, impregnated, and abandoned a woman 30 years his junior. So what Obama was saying was "Jesse, you shiftless irresponsible ni.gg.er, get right with your child that you abandoned."

Jesse should spend more time with his child that he abandoned. Quit your irresponsible shiftless ways, Jesse, and become a good person again.

Posted by: POed Lib | July 13, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama is encouraging white racism - he never lectures white Americans - and by his only lecturing black America he fuels the lie that white americans are not irresponsible in their own family lives and don't need any lectures on taking personal responsibility for their own dysfunction - and he fuels the lie that racism is ok.

I think that that is wrong but because of the racism of the white american electorate, he has to do what he is doing to have a shot at winning.

But like Michael Eric Dyson said - Obama is not balanced - he does not criticize both black and whites -he's not being honest -

and this is also seen in the flip flopping on issues and moving to the center to appease white uneducated racists.

Posted by: QueenBee | July 13, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

OK. Obama's father abandoned him when he was two years old. Obama has managed to go to college, to be a state senator, to be a U. S. senator, and now he is running for president. He is not a good example of what happens to children whose father abandons them. He needs to get off the preacher circuit and focus on what he intends to do about the issues facing ALL Americans today - especially our economy and health care to name a few.

Posted by: Michael | July 13, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

To "to ashamed to post my name" @ 3:09:

Did I strike a nerve. It must make you reeeeal angry that a black man *gasp* could become president this Nov. I mean, these are the same people that your great, great grandpa used to whip on his tobacco plantation out there in VA. That is until those "damn Socialist yankee n***er lovers up North" won the Civil War.

"Hussein" Obama. Talk about stupid and pathetic.

Yes, it would be really sad if this Muslim, Terrorist, Communist, Marxist (should I add Fascist?) that Bush, McCain and friends (ie. you) paint him to be, became Prezdent on Amurca. Then our purge of the Muslims in Iraq (and soon to be Iran) would end. How HORRIBLE!

Posted by: JC | July 13, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't disagree that American families are often in crisis due to fractured and dysfunctional relationships. But I disagree that the onus is entirely on the men. Too many young women view a baby as a tool that will help them leave their parent's homes, or bind the young man to them, or guarantee money and benefits via child support, WIC, food stamps and other aid programs. When they realize that a baby won't cement a young and/or fractured relationship and doesn't guarantee that steady child support pay out, they become angry at the men and use their free attorneys and femme-biased programs such as protection orders to keep the men away from the children. There are plenty of good men who also want to be good fathers, but they only have the chance to be a steady check for angry women who know how to manipulate the system and prevent those men from fathering.

If Obama is putting all the blame on the men, I'd say he's focusing on his personal issues of being abandoned by the worthless man his mother first married. Before he can speak intelligently about the issue, he will have to become more educated and learn what's really going on.

Posted by: Lynn | July 13, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

if mr.obama wants to preach family responsibilities he needs to address the practice of pedophilia by white men towards their female offsprings,and the wives who ignores this practice by their husbands to maintain her standard of living.the wives need to notify law enforcement of her husbands practice of slipping in the bed with his 5,6,7,8 and 9 year old offsprings and having sexual relations with them.

Posted by: ron | July 13, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I really should amend my statement I posted a little while ago. Obama speaks the truth about all American families that are lacking two parents, it's not just Blacks, it's people of ALL colors. the American family system is breaking down and we can see the adverse results and effects of it in the schools and on the streets. I fully support his message...he is right!

I still won't vote for him this November. Maybe in a few years, but not now.

Posted by: socrates333 | July 13, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72 is a transgenderized thing. S/he is confused because s/he had a thing for Hillary. S/he is hurt now, so take pity on his/her sorry predicament. Obama will help him/her overcome and climb that mountaintop.

Posted by: Felix Smallbottoms | July 13, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72 is a bot, randomly posting the same thing on any blog mentioning the Big O. A pretty poor search engine, if you ask me.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | July 13, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow I thought the Wizards chat had some odd folks on it...

A few further points.

(1) I sure wouldn't want to be defined by my senior thesis... One is NOT the same person at 22 as they are at 42 or 62.

(2) No one can be a pompous demagogue. One or the other, please.

(3) So Barack Obama is more like Bill Cosby than Jesse Jackson. This is bad?

(4) It's about the economy.

(5) It's about Iraq.

(6) It's about energy.

(7) It's about healthcare.

Get past the other stuff, people, this is a serious election.

Posted by: khrabb | July 13, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an arrogant political inexperienced Socialist Black Liberation fraudulent hack. The idea that he and his angry militant Marxist wife think they will "change" America is insane. The lemmings that swoon over his cult like every body is suffering the government will take care of you oratory are mindless, emotional, weak and gullible.

Posted by: Change What | July 13, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

mr.obama wants to go around telling black american fathers how to raise their children,he wants to tell iranians how to conduct their government with nuclear weapons,he wishes to tell iraqui's to take responsibility for their own protection.has anyone heard him tell the african nations to stop the practice of "GENOCIDE." mr.obama has not one drop of black american blood in his vein,he's part african and part white. white americans need to understand the differentiation between black american and an african,there's a vast difference between the two.there is very little in common between the two other than the pigmentation of the skin.anything whites don't claim blacks has a propensity to take it in as one of their own and lay claim to it.

Posted by: ron | July 13, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

OFL! And I thought rednecks didn't know how to use computers.

Why don't you go back to the inbreeding backwoods of VA and continue to kiss Bush's a**.
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Really J.C.?

That is your response? Typical weak lib dem tactic...attack. No thought, no substance. "Redneck, VA, cant use a computer"? Where do you come up with such stupidity?

Yeah, blacks need someone to look up to, the govt. Brilliant.

Unbelievable.


Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72,Choirboy,and Claudine 1000. Go back to the rock you crawled out from under. If you think that racist uninformed lines of attack will win John McSame the Whitehouse in 2008 you will be very sad on Nov. 5th.

Posted by: Josh in Seattle | July 13, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Remember how Governor Bill Clinton chastised Queen Lahtifah on the campaign trail about 16 years ago?

This is the same thing. It's his way of reassuring white America that's he's not beholden to the irrelevant old-guard African American "leadership".

Ho hum. It's simply a campaign trick.

Posted by: Ombudsman | July 13, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a good man. Hillary Clinton is a P.O.S. Come to think of it, so is her husband.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

It's like everything else with the MSM, at the behest of and to the delight of their neocon bosses:
Go for the flawed extremes and tar the whole group with the same barrel of tar.

Hillary would have made an awful president, therefore all women would make awful presidents.

Jackson is a coarse, bitter black man who would do the country more harm than good if given a position of real power, therefore all black men would do the country more harm than good if given positions of power.

I know you WaPo hacks hate the fact that Obama is intelligent,
and Obama is Obama.

End of story.

Posted by: wardropper | July 13, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Preview your Comment


Anonymous @ 2:39 wrote:

This fraud they call Hussein Obama cannot be believed. When you have to have a media marketing push to convince the public that you are patriotic leaves you less than credible.

Obama is an arrogant street activist Black Liberation Socialist political hack with an angry Marxist wife. No need for a marketing plan to convince anyone of that.

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ROFL! And I thought rednecks didn't know how to use computers.

Why don't you go back to the inbreeding backwoods of VA and continue to kiss Bush's a**.

Anyways, I really hope Obama becomes president. The troubled black community needs someone decent who they can look up to. The Rev. Jackson/Sharpton twins are the the worst thing to happen to the black community since "gangsta rap." Blacks need a true role model who actually encourages blacks to take some responsibility for their actions, instead of blaming the community's problems on the "oppressive white man."

Posted by: JC | July 13, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I feel your pain Sen Obama! I am a multi racial man black & white, I too was left behind by my father. There is nothing worse then Feeling unwanted and not loved. Keep it up Sen. Obama and maybe some of these dads and moms will step up and be the parents they should be. At 33yrs old I still feel the pain of abandonment at 5yrs old by both my father and my mother, both chose to be dead beat parents and now I sit here even to this day not knowing any of my back ground. Not even a baby picture to see what I looked like. But, I can say today that I am married, happy and I have three great kids, 2 daughters, the oldest daughter is 12 and is my step daughter which I've rasied since she was 10 months old and one son all honor roll students and all volunteer in the community. So I can say that my wife and I have done a great job.I was able to break the cycle that has devestated all children from all races, genders and backgrounds but particularly the black cummunity. Fathers and mothers should really think about what your doing before you turn your backs and walk away from your kids, the pain follows you your whole life. For me I was one of the lucky, for many others they were not so lucky. By walking away from your children some of you have doomed your children to poverty, prision, abusive relationships and death. These a problems are exactly that problems and every problem can be fixed if we chose to step up and do so. That time has been long due for some, the time is now! I dont want to end this on a negative, their are a lot of good dads and moms out their that are doing an excellent job. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Orlando | July 13, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Even though Obama will not be getting my vote this November (maybe at some future time, but it's too soon for him now), I wholeheartedly support his messages concerning the breakdown of so many African American families. He is right...the truth hurts and it saddens me that there is such a wide spread problem. Obama speaks only the truth, people should listen to him.

Posted by: socrates3333 | July 13, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama is arrogant and depressing. He offers not a thing but a mantra of pandering blather that comes with a HUGE price tag.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama has a model family, but his own father absconded, and he speakes from experience what it is like to grow up with only one parent. Jackson is offended because he himself abandoned wife and child.

Posted by: bodo | July 13, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama's pontifications are annoying and unwelcome. He should confine himself to straightening this country's policies out instead of trying to be Daddy. I'm sick of him. He turns me off completely.

The media is to blame for him. The media, especially the Washington Post and MSNBC, has created this pompous demagogue. We've already had one of them for the last eight years. We need a leader who can shut up and get something done.

Posted by: Choirboy | July 13, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

obama has a problem dealing with his own abandonment as a child when he was a two year old.his father was a "BIGAMIST" who had been married on occasions but never sought a legal divorce from any of his prior wives.i'm sure he used obama's mother to maintain a green card status.his father was from kenya,not a black american.

Posted by: ron | July 13, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama and NASCAR....LOL!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Who would / has Hamas, Al Qaeda, Iran, Hugo, Castro, Euro Socialists, America's enemies, street punks and gang members, Black Liberation Activists, Communists, Islamic Jihadists, Farrakhan, the young and naive endorse?

Guess...take a wild guess. GUESS! YES....!!

OBAMA he's our man!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I am a white male, living in Virginia, and am in my 50's. I am voting for BARACK OBAMA. I am a "racist pig" because I don't agree with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, Sr. on the role and fate of the Black Man. Of course, I really don't care what those two idiots call me. I know better about myself.

I admire Senator Obama and his family. I voted for him in our Primary, and I have contributed to his campaign - more than once.

We are lucky to have two decent men running for President. I prefer BARACK OBAMA.

Posted by: "Racist Pig" | July 13, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama is right - it's not an either or proposition. But it's wrong to assert that only black Americans need tough love speeches.

I've seen how Obama has been accepting of white racism and has tried to pander to it - in order to win an election -perhaps, he can't be honest about that for fear of losing the election. However, it is wrong.

Posted by: QueenBee | July 13, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

This fraud they call Hussein Obama cannot be believed. When you have to have a media marketing push to convince the public that you are patriotic leaves you less than credible.

Obama is an arrogant street activist Black Liberation Socialist political hack with an angry Marxist wife. No need for a marketing plan to convince anyone of that.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Uhh, We cant use 20% of the worlds energy with only 3% of population...uhhhh, er We can't set our thermostats at 72 degrees...and uhhhh umm We can't eat what we want and uhh umm expect the rest of the world to say that's ok. We can't do that. Uhhhhh

What? What did he say? Who is this Euro Socialist freak?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Juan wrote: "But he had a father (not biological) in the home for all but 2 years of his childhood.
Is that a lie? Exaggeration?
Compared to Hillary's "sniper-gate", this is much worse and more indicative of poor character.
I love how the double standard just props up this Obama man who is so shallow."
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Yeah, that's really an "astute" commentary.

First off, Obama didn't have a father figure for FOUR years during his early childhood, not 2.

Second, Obama lived w/ mother and half-sister for THREE years (without a male in the household) while his mother attended graduate school in Hawaii (so that makes SEVEN years w/o a father figure in the household).

Third, what does it really matter if it is two, four or seven years? Do you really think TWO years is not a long time for a child and that such an absence wouldn't have an effect?

Fourth, a father figure is NOT the same thing as having your "real" father in your life (of course, someone can adopt a child and become a "real father", but then again, even adoptees have issues) - and Obama only had 2 years w/ his father (and he was too young to really get anything out of that experience).

Fifth, how is this in any way worse than Hillary's "sniper-gate", except in your own twisted mind?

It's one thing if Hillary simply mixed up the trips overseas to Europe where she and her DAUGHTER were shot at (tho, I don't see how anyone would get that mixed up, esp. if one's ONLY CHILD has been shot at), but the PROBLEM is, there is NO ACCOUNT of ANY trip that Hillary took (much less w/ her daughter) where she had been FIRED upon. Hence, the whole scenario was FABRICATED (not to mention the "explanation" that it was a "careless mistake" due to being tired since Hillary had made the SAME reference at an event months before during the middle of the day).

Is this the best you can do (talk about being SHALLOW)?

Pfffft - NOT much of an argument, I'm afraid.

Posted by: JSS | July 13, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Most of the comments on this blog is from people who are full of S(*&.

Until you have had the opportunity to walk in the shoes of a black man or woman in this country, you need to keep your RACIST, SNAKE VENOM, POISONOUS ATTITUDES to your self.

Some of these comments are the same attitudes, which has tried to keep Black Americans suppressed and oppressed for hundreds of years. It is people like you which prevents this country from being more than what it should be. It is people like you that lack common sense, compassion, and civility towards mankind.

It is people like you that believe that you are more superior than any race in this world, but as caused more harm to mankind then all races put together. Why don't you "Grow Up" or "Get a Real Life" or do something for the betterment of mankind, instead of shooting your POISONOUS SNAKE VENOM all over the place.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

My favorite quote from John McSAME--

"The Economy?? Well, that is one area I admittedly don't know that much about...I need to educate myself"

Considering that he will be completely handled and controlled by the same NEO-CONs that brought us 8 years of the Bush administration, I think Obama is looking pretty darn good right now!

We are on the brink of ECONOMIC RUIN folks, neither one can save us, but we stand a lot better chance of survival with Obama..

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

That is the beauty of Obama.

He isn't afraid to call the problems out and have an honest discussion.

Agree with former post. This is NO TIME to be offended, we have a country to fix before it hits third world status, thanks to the looting of the Bush administration.

Posted by: KathyH | July 13, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama = Zero
Michelle Obama = Double Zero

Yuck I get so damn tired of how the two
arrogant obnoxius Barack Hussein and Michelle Obama seem to think they are sooo
much better then anyone,and how they always
seem to talk down to people and I donot mean just their own black people here. So
why in the Hell don't the Obama Motor Mouths find a church and let Reverend Messiah Barack Hussein Obama become the
new Rev Jerimiah Wright Pastor of it? If the Democrats had an once of sense they would throw Barack Hussein and Michelle Obama under the bus and find a real 2008
Presidential Candidate instead. Oh well get
used to it, President John McCain people.

Posted by: Claudine 1000 | July 13, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Jesse Jackson is such a hypocritcal BAFOON!! I am black, and sick and tired of people judging my race by grand-standing idiots like him, and Al Sharpton.

They open their mouths, and set progress back by 10 years. Jesse--We want to move forward, not backwards, mired in excuses, self-doubt, and dellusion.

Jesse and Al! Do us all a favor and retire!

Posted by: southcentral | July 13, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not repeat the mantra "Hillary woulda won except for the bad press." That's exactly why she didn't People saw her for what she really is: an arrogat, egotistical, person trading on the coattails of her ex-President husband. She is no more a leader than Minnie Mouse or Daisy Duck.

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 13, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The problems of intergenerational poverty, the result of slavery, Jim Crow, and now institutionalized racism, will not be solved by lecturing one group of people about their responsibility to be fathers. American in general considers black men dangerous, and they are getting arrested and incarcerated at younger ages and at phenomenally higher rates. Once arrested, their lives are basicallly over. Bad Cori, no job. Racial profiling is accepted by white people. If you only target a certain group of people as criminals, you only arrest and incarcerate that group. My stepson is black and has been stopped by police 15 times in the past 7 years. I am white and have never been stopped. They search him, his car, make him sit on the curb, talk trash to get him to talk back to the police or cause trouble. They are looking for a bust. Now I know a lot of white people who smoke pot and carry it in their cars, smoke it in their cars and are never stopped, or if stopped, they and their cars are not searched. 60 percent of the prison population is non-white. There are so many statistics on this that I wish Obama would read: more arrests, more prison time, more get the death penalty,fewer get probation. My daughter's boyfriend was convicted of killing a twelve year old girl. He got life with no parole. Nineteen years later they let him out due to the findings that the detectives had bribed witnesses to get a conviction because this was such a horrible crime and they needed a conviction. What happened to his family during those 19 years? What happened to him? The criminal justice system is completely racist and corrupt. They spend more money building jails than schools. It's a whole new industry. I have a bi-racial daughter. At the age of 14 she and her friend were accused of stealing a wallet. Because she had $42 on her (her Christmas money) they took her to the jail, strip searched her. Although no charges were filed, she was scarred for life. Now, anecdotal and statistical evidence should be enough for anyone running for president to realize the racism in the justice system. Even in Illinois, ten people were taken off of death row because of irregularities in their trials. This is the famous case of Obama getting the cops to agree to videotape homicide interrogations. Four years ago 22 men were released from MA jails for wrongful convictions: All but two were black or hispanic. So. Let's talk a little bit about that when we talk about fathers taking responsibility. I was an inner city school teacher. And I had kids with homeless fathers, fathers in jail, fathers shot to death, mothers giving up and leaving the kids to foster care. There are no jobs in the ghetto even for perfect young men, except minimum wage, can't support a family on that. college is out of reach for most. I am an Obama supporter but I think he needs to get into this issue, which is really what Jesse was trying to get at.

Posted by: jonnierae | July 13, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Why is the Post and the rest of the media dwelling on this "flap" while giving basically no coverage to McCain calling Social Security a "disgrace" and his laughable claim of ignorance on insurance covering birth control?

Posted by: Atlanta, GA | July 13, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

If Dianne72 is a 72-year old feminist the Democratic party is in trouble come November. She is still very anfry that Hillary lost the race and shewilll never get over it. She also sounds very racist and anti-Black. And if there are still feminists like her Lord, our progressive Democratic party is in a deep poodle.
As a Democrat and a Black man I must confess that I did not like how the media sometimes treated Hillary. She is very qualified and can make a good president. But er problem is that any time the lfeftist fire-spitting anti-Black femists like Dianne72 open their mouths they make Hillary look bad. The sad thing is that there are lots of them and they may stay at home, which effectively means voting for McCain. That does not bother her although people like Dianne72 may have daughters and/or grand daughters who will suffer from McCain's anti abortion policies. They do not care one bit because these morbid and racist feminists ( I am not talking about the progressive feminists)are mad about men, period. They hate black women partly because black women dare to define and see the feminist agenda differently, one that cares about women's rights and equality rather that the rights of a privileged and over-educated upper class white women, mostle east-coast educated.

Posted by: EMK22 | July 13, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Everyone but Jesse knows Obama is dead-on right. The truth hurts. Get over it and Move on!

Posted by: John | July 13, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

That is RIGHT - We can't afford to "be offended" anymore! Rather than wasting all that energy on fighting the message, spend your energy on changing your life, by changing your CHOICES!

The black community needs to set better examples and higher standards for their children, and they will see the statistics change!

Every choice we make has consequences. We are all individually responsible for the choices we make in life, THAT is Obama's message.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Jen DC,

Please take your post and insert it between your fleshy white folds...

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 13, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Good for you, Obama!!

Being a "Baby Mama" or a "Baby Daddy" doesn't equal being a PARENT, and we hope that you keep giving ALL of us--(white, black, green or red)--whatever Tough Love messages we need to hear in order to BETTER ourselves and move forward!!

Just look at the facts and economic realities, people. We can't afford to keep going like we are just because we are afraid someone might be "offended"..

Look at the MESS our govt. has made of the last 7 years and seriously ASK YOURSELF if you expect your govt. to save you from anything--just because your stupid ass decided to "be fruitful and multiply" at 18 years old.

Turn the page, and be PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for every decision you make from now on!

Posted by: Alex | July 13, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the McBush folks are venting in here today. The only thing they can grouse about is Obama's comments on the lack of Black parenting. How about the example that McBush set? He divorced his first wife while she was handicapped after a bad accident, and married the bimbo he was schtupping while already married. What an example to us all. Makes me want to go find a woman 18 years my junior - and who is wealthy - and who is politically connected - and who is rich.

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 13, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

And some of you posters are just completely DAFT (and not to mention hypocritical).

Obama is in no way an "absentee father".

An absentee father is one who pretty much is totally absent from his children's lives - where the children don't see him much, if at all, and where the children don't know when they might see him again (if ever) or even how to contact him.

Obama, otoh, is not any different from hard-working American fathers who have to travel a lot for work or have to work on the road or away from home (I guess all those truck drivers, traveling salesmen or business execs, etc. aren't good fathers at all).

Obama's children do see him on a regular basis, know when and how to reach him and know that the times apart will eventually be over (I'm sure Obama, when he can't see his children, talks to them just about everyday).

I mean, c'mon, Bush was the "family values" candidate - does that mean he was a "hypocrite" b/c he didn't see his children much when he was campaigning? Sheesh!!

Posted by: JSS | July 13, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama said in a statement that he spoke as someone who was raised without a father in his home.
But he had a father (not biological) in the home for all but 2 years of his childhood.
Is that a lie? Exaggeration?
Compared to Hillary's "sniper-gate", this is much worse and more indicative of poor character.
I love how the double standard just props up this Obama man who is so shallow.

Posted by: juan | July 13, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I was very worried about Mr Obama up until this week. I drew the conclusion from his earlier campaign statements that he was going to be flat line "pro-black". I don't think that would be good for society. Furthermore it would enable black fathers to hide under their weaknesses rather than work on them.
It is something that is a "cultural difference" or "structural inequity" however you wish to put it.
It is the same way in the white community as well. If Mr Obama or any other leader told me as a white person to avoid or work on feelings of superiority, or feelings of dominance or whatever. I would do well the heed that advice and not automatically assume he was talking down to me.
I am convinced now that he can accomplish real good in our community!

Posted by: contentofcharacter | July 13, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Blacks need to start taking some personal responsibility for high rate of high school drop out, sexual promiscuity, children born out of wedlock, , absence of male parenting/role models, drugs, crime, incarceration, AIDS, and lack of personal responsibility instead of playing the victim hood game and blaming everyone else for their plight! Until that time there will always be hate mongers & race baiter,s to use them and profit from their plight like the Rev. Wright, Rev. Jessie Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, as well as 10,s of thousands of White and Black Politicians. In fact the whole Democrat party! Hand outs, instead of a hand up, is the means of keeping Blacks down and economic Slaves! Keeping Blacks as an race of victims and believing all of the above is Whitey fault is designed to keep them from progressing instead of a race of achievers! It is in the best interest of Black preachers and Democrat politicians! Blacks will never be lead to the promise land by hate mongering Preachers like Rev. Wright or by bottom feeding Politicians that wants and works to keep Blacks in the Ghetto, on Welfare, and voting Democrat!

Posted by: Black Saint | July 13, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Jesse Jackson thinks everything is about him, so when Barak Obama talks about absent fathers, Jesse Jackson thinks he is talking about him because he is indeed a father with child out-of-wedlock and find Obama's comment as a personal attack, hence Jackson came out with that shocking, outrageous, shameful, appalling and disgraceful comment and behavior. It is as simple as that, and the more we talk about, the more gleeful Jesse is because Jesse wants to be in the limelight, no matter at what cost to him or his family, or the nation.

Posted by: Linda in Houston | July 13, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please - Obama has been talking about this stuff since 2005/2006 - except, back then, the press hadn't been paying attention.

Plus, Obama, during the primaries, brought up gay/lebian rights issues in his speeches in front of crowds in the American heartland and Rocky Mountain states (something, btw, Hillary didn't do) and rebuked homophobia w/in the black community while speaking at a historical black church (not exactly a great strategy for pandering for votes).

And let's not forget that Obama was AGAINST the gas tax holiday b/c it was BAD POLICY - despite the fact that it would have been less risky and much easier for him to pander to the public (unlike McCain and Hillary).

Posted by: JSS | July 13, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Preacher Obama said he would continue to do his Bill Cosby imitation and chastise black fathers whenever he felt like it.

I knew Bill Cosby, Bill Cosby a friend of mine, and Obama is no Bill Cosby. He just has no sense of humor.

Posted by: Bentsen | July 13, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an absentee father himself. He should be practicing what he preaches. He's is a hypocrite.

Posted by: Q | July 13, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The black community has a cultural problem not a political problem. It's self fulfulling prophecy promulgated by black "preachers" across this nation. Blacks do hold other blacks down more than others do. Black "preachers" such as Jeremiah Wright, Moss, Meeks, etc. (Obama's pastor pals and their ilk) create and sustain the environment which keeps blacks angry and oppressed while they take the government handouts for their OWN use. It's useful to them to keep their "congregations" in line and dependent on them for the small pittance they receive in return for loyalty to "them". Barack Obama chose to attend this "church" in Chicago of Jeremiah Wright for OVER twenty years, joining in the racist, anti-white, anti-semitic, pro-Farakhaan, black supremecy hate filled "sermons" year after year, exposing his own children to it, calling Wright "his mentor". Obama chose to take advantage of the system in
Chicago which is arguably the most corrupt political sewer in the nation where Obama swims with the rats who inhabit it. I doubt Obama cares at all about anyone but himself, he's TOTAL opportunist, just like the creepy people he has associated with for a lifetime.

Obama should resign from this campaign and the U.S. Senate and spend time with his OWN children. They need him. Obama does not even live with his children while in the Senate, they stay in Chicago while he's in Washington. He's a total hypocrite on this issue as well as all others. Obama is not qualified or electable.

It's Hillary Or McCain. Country first, party second.

Posted by: DS | July 13, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama's Princeton thesis brings to light some of her racist views. Too bad the thesis has be put under lock and key until after the election.
Look further: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/thesis.asp

Posted by: Racist Thesis | July 13, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama would be committing a serious moral error if he did not speak out against absentee fatherhood in African American culture. As a black woman I feel I can speak to this. It is a problem that gets worse because we continue to ignore it and make excuses, since politicians today are afraid to talk about it-- and make no mistake, it is a political problem, not just a judicial one-- and it is holding African Americans back from fully realizing our potential as leaders in society. Barack Obama shows the world that a man who was raised without a father can come within striking distance of becoming the most powerful man in the world. He is proof we can move beyond such social stigmas. It is his responsibility to force us to confront the problem in order to resolve it. It hurts to look at our flaws and most black people don't want to confront the fact that we are partly responsible for our disenfranchisement, but we could be so much more. If a black man can become the leader of the Democratic party or even the free world, there is no reason to say we can't be equal. He owes it to us to make us see that. Jesse Jackson is enabling our oppression by encouraging black people to keep pretending nothing is wrong.

Posted by: EMK | July 13, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama's a fraud. In the general election, where he no longer has to cater so much to the extreme far left Moveoners, he can make a few token cracks against the race pimps like Jesse and Sharpton in order to get those elusive blue collar votes he so despises. In the end, though, he is just as radical as Sharpton. One only has to look at his church he attended for 20 full years. It told us all we need to know.

Posted by: muskrat | July 13, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I have to wonder how much of the absentee father problem is coupled to the number of young black males in prison ?

Posted by: rbe1 | July 13, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The audacity of Barack Obama knows no bounds. It's certainly not Obama's place to be critical of absentee fathers. Obviously, since his own father abandoned him, it's an extra sensitive issue with him.

If Obama were genuinely concerned about black absentee fathers, he would practice what he's "preaching". Candidates running for President spend little or NO time with their OWN children. Obama has two young daughters. Obama should pull out of this Presidential race, he's neither qualified or electable, and focus on his OWN family!

The Democratic party would be wise to nominate the most qualified and most electable candidate they have, Hillary Clinton. Hillary has already won the popular vote, winning MORE votes than ANY candidate of ANY party in history! Let's give credit where it's long overdue.

Rock on Hillary! Superdelegates take note! The ACTUAL nomination takes place in late August in Denver at the DNC convention. Open up the nominating process to a REAL democratic process with real ballots, real votes and COUNT ALL THE VOTES! Wow, that actually be real democracy. Let's do it!

Posted by: GJ | July 13, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72 - get a life you dumb twit. That BS don't play in here.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

As President, Barack Obama will set an example for all the world to see. He wants all Americans to have things better than he did...including having a father to guide and protect him.

He is not a DA or Judge - he is to be the President, a man with the most power in the entire world. Don't you think he would like for all Americans to be better off?

Posted by: Daddio on the paddio | July 13, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I'll take a mulligan.

It is fine that Barack Obama chastises absentee fathers and deabeat dads. Everyone agrees with him that. But those are issues that the federal government can only impact at the margins. It does not take much courage to be a forceful advocate on things where the public agrees with you ninety-five percent.

Obama is not running for district attorney or family court judge. He is running for president so it would be nice to hear more specifics from him on issues that has control over as president rather than hear him knocking down straw men.

Posted by: danielhancock | July 13, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

It is fine that Barck Obama chastises absentee fathers and deabeat dads. Everyone agrees with him that. But those are issues that the federal government can only impact at the margins. It does don't take much courage to be a forceful advocate against on things where the public agrees with you ninety five percent.

Obama is not running for district attorney or family court judge. He is running for president so it would be nice to hear more specifics from him on issues that has control over as president rather than knocking down straw men.

Posted by: danielhancock | July 13, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Viva Obama!

Posted by: johng1 | July 13, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I think this type of thing makes Obama look like a very reasonable person.

It is interesting how the last generation keeps displaying any depth.

When it comes to the most difficult problems, Obama wins hands down.

I cannot wait for the debates between Obama and McCain. It's going to be very fun to watch!

Posted by: vb | July 13, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Being a good father is an indvidual thing. If Obama wants to preach he should join the clergy.

Posted by: ziggy1 | July 13, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama = Hard working and sincere

Jesse Jackson = over-the-hill demagogue

Posted by: Anonymous | July 13, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

As a white male and father to my children - it's about time a Black leader chastises his constituency for being promiscuous, socially infantile, and totally irresponsible. Why should every social group except blacks be expected to raise they children in a mom and dad environment? To hear some Black leaders, one has to wonder whether they really want a stable, responsible constituency. After all, with instability comes opportunity for carpetbagging and personal aggrandizement.

Go for it Barack. Skrew Jesse Jackson, Sr.

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 13, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been saying these things about dead beat dads for YEARS. This is nothing new. Cosby has been saying it as well. I don't think this is a color thing. My white sister raised her 2 white kids with little help from her white exhusband.

Posted by: Lynne | July 13, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Any father regardless of the race that abandons their children and the responsibility for the assisting of their care is guilty, and from that standpoint Jesse Jackson is right! Because now Obama is running to lead this nation and all it's people, and not just segments to in am effort to appeal to the white vote!

Posted by: theaz | July 13, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

steve and premier. Niether one of you have a clue whats so ever dealing with what was said. My friends and I are African American and back Obama on his statements concerning this subject. Jesse Jackson has in his mind that if its not said in public it will get better. Yet it has not gotten better. Since Obama himself is a product of this situation it makes him perfect to bring it out and deal with it. Jesse Jackson of all people should not talk about morality in any way especially he himself really does not take care of his own out of wedlock child.

Posted by: perry | July 13, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The missing African-American Fathers is definitely a big issue. It erodes the social fabric within the Black community and reverses all the economic and educational gains made (however miniscule they may be) by the previous generation. Black parents (both, Father & Mother) need to take more responsibility in ensuring that their children are not just born, but are raised properly. That simply does not seem to be happening right now and Obama is rightly pointing that out.
He may gain a few white votes and lose a few black votes, but his point is very accurate.

Posted by: hardy | July 13, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Of course Obama will throw male Americans of African descent under the bus as it will get MORE VOTES among Americans of caucasian and hispanic descent than among the male Americans of African descent.

It is the pure and simple vote getting logic and calculations used by Obama all along!

More than Jesse need to start speaking up!!!

Posted by: Steve | July 13, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Re: Obama's New Tactic

Obama is using a "sympathy" card here to appeal to low-income African Americans voters who do not have fathers and who "cling" to the media for hip-pop cultures.

Posted by: Premier | July 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

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