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Questions Abound About McCain Criticism of Obama Trip


Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) waves after a speech at the Victory Column in Tiergarten Park in Berlin July 24, 2008.(Reuters)
By Michael D. Shear and Dan Balz

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has now joined his voice to the chorus of aides and campaign surrogates who have been alleging that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) canceled his visit to a U.S. hospital in Germany because he couldn't bring a media entourage.

McCain said Monday on CNN's "Larry King Live": "I know that according to reports that he wanted to bring media people and cameras and his campaign staffers ... "

And the campaign released another statement this afternoon, this time from a former Sergeant Major who worked at the hospital, who said, "if Senator Obama isn't comfortable meeting wounded American troops without his entourage, perhaps he does not have the experience necessary to serve as commander in chief."

In fact, there's no proof that Obama ever sought to bring the media or any entourage.

In essence, the McCain charge is this: Obama cares so little for the welfare of wounded American soldiers that he canceled the visit when he was informed he could not bring reporters and television cameras to document it.

But there is no evidence that Obama ever planned to bring anyone to the hospital other than a single military adviser, whose status as a campaign staffer sparked last-minute concern among Pentagon officials that the visit would be an improper political event. The Obama campaign has cited those concerns as the reason for canceling Obama's visit.

After being asked repeatedly for the "reports" McCain was talking about on "Larry King Live," McCain's campaign staff provided three examples, none of which made the allegation that Obama had wanted to bring media to the hospital.

Instead, all three reports -- from Fox News, The Washington Post, and MSNBC -- mentioned that the Pentagon had informed Obama of the prohibition against media and campaign visits, leaving the readers and viewers to make the leap about Obama's motive -- as the McCain campaign clearly wanted.

Obama and his top aides have all denied that the campaign ever planned to take reporters or cameras or additional campaign staff to the hospital. "Absolutely, unequivocally wrong," spokesman Tommy Vietor e-mailed just moments after McCain's "Larry King" appearance.

That is supported by reporters who traveled with Obama.

The first indication reporters got that Obama was planning, or had planned, to visit the hospital came on Thursday morning shortly after the traveling entourage arrived in Berlin. On the seats of the press bus were schedules for Obama's stop in Germany and the final entry -- a Friday morning departure -- indicated that the senator's plane would fly from Berlin to Ramstein Air Base.

When a reporter asked Obama spokeswoman Linda Douglass that morning about the trip to Ramstein, she said the schedule was incorrect and out of date, that the trip had been considered but that Obama was not going to go there after all. At that point, the campaign provided no other information.

Later that night, after Obama's speech in Berlin, a campaign source talked on a not for attribution basis about the canceled trip. This official said that the original plan called for Obama to visit the hospital but leave the press on a chartered airplane on the tarmac at Ramstein. This official said that the trip had been canceled after the Pentagon informed a campaign official that the visit would be considered a campaign event.

Overnight the campaign issued two statements, one from senior official Robert Gibbs, the other from retired Air Force Major General Scott Gration, an Obama foreign policy adviser who was on the trip.

Gibbs's statement said the trip had been canceled because Obama decided it would be inappropriate to go to the hospital as part of a trip paid for by his campaign. Gration said the trip had been canceled because the Pentagon had informed the campaign the visit would be seen as a political trip.

Those two statements, while not inconsistent, left open questions as to the real reason the trip was canceled. Was it canceled in reaction to Pentagon concerns -- or did Obama simply make the decision himself out of concern for appearances? By this time the issue was blowing up back in the U.S.

On Friday afternoon, en route from Berlin to Paris, Gibbs briefed reporters traveling with Obama. Gibbs said the two statements were consistent: Gration had been informed on Wednesday night that the trip would be considered a campaign event and, on that basis, Obama then decided on the flight from Israel to Germany to cancel, Gibbs said, rather than to put wounded servicemen and women into an uncomfortable position.

Gibbs said the hospital visit had been on the schedule for several weeks and that Gration had been dealing with several military units to coordinate the stop. He added that officials at Ramstein and the Secret Service told them they needed prior approval to land a non-Air Force aircraft at the air base -- something known as a PPR (for Prior Permission Required) and that the campaign had received that PPR.

"Gration told them we would like to come -- not as a campaign event and without any press -- to make a visit," Gibbs said.

At one point a reporter asked Gibbs what the campaign had planned to do with reporters once the plane had landed at Ramstein. "You would have stayed on the plane," he replied.

Gibbs said today that the campaign had planned to inform the traveling press sometime on the morning of the flight to Ramstein that Obama was intending to visit the hospital but had made no plans to take any reporters -- including even the small, protective press pool that now accompanies Obama most places -- to the hospital.

Reporters, he said, likely would have been able to get off the plane but not leave an air base facility close by. "We had made absolutely no arrangements to transport the press to the hospital," he said. "I asked the advance guys today, 'Had we made any preparation to do that?' and they said, 'No.'"

Gibbs noted that Obama had visited with wounded soldiers several weeks earlier at Walter Reed in Washington, D.C., and at a combat support hospital while in Iraq earlier in the week -- both times without reporters.

At another point a reporter asked, "Why not just say it is never inappropriate to visit men and women in service -- what is your response to that?"

"Again, I would reiterate that we would not want to put anybody who had been wounded in service to our country in the potential position to be part of the political back and forth ... It is entirely likely that someone would have attacked us for having gone. And it is entirely likely -- and it has come about -- that people have attacked us for not going," said Gibbs.

On Saturday in London, Obama addressed the controversy during a press conference. He said Pentagon concerns about Gration's status triggered the decision not to make the visit.

"We got notice that he [Gration] would be treated as a campaign person and it would therefore be perceived as political because he had endorsed my candidacy but he wasn't on the Senate staff," Obama said. "That triggered then a concern that maybe our visit was going to be perceived as political, and the last thing that I want to do is have injured soldiers and the staff at these wonderful institutions having to sort through whether this is political or not, or get caught in the crossfire between campaigns."

Obama's explanation, which came after more than a day of controversy, was the clearest in noting that it was Pentagon concerns about Gration accompanying Obama to the hospital that forced Obama to reconsider and ultimately to cancel the visit.

He also noted that he had made previous visits to see wounded soldiers without reporters, and that while the visit to the hospital in Germany had long been on the schedule for the overseas trip, it had deliberately been left off the schedule given to the press for that reason.

Gibbs reiterated Obama's explanation again last night, saying on MSNBC that it was the Pentagon's concerns about Gration that prompted the cancellation.

"The Pentagon said that his participation would make that trip a campaign trip and we decided at that point, rather than put the men and women, who served our country and protected our freedom and had been injured, rather than put them in a political situation in the middle of a campaign fight, that we would just not go and not use them as props in this kind of fight," Gibbs said.

And he was more definitive today in denying the McCain campaign charge. "That's completely untrue and I think honestly they know it's untrue," Gibbs said.

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds insisted again today that McCain's version of events is correct, and that Obama canceled the trip because of the inability to take reporters and cameras into the hospital.

"It is safe to say that according to press reports Barack Obama avoided, skipped, canceled the visit because of those reasons," Bounds said. "We're not making a leap here."

Nicolle Wallace, another spokeswoman for McCain, said the campaign's understanding of the event, which was "pieced together from public sources" was that "Obama was told he could go to see the troops as long as he wanted to. At some point, the campaign apparatus" was raised as an issue. "When you say 'campaign apparatus,' it's staff, pool, protection, whatever. That's what our understanding of what campaign apparatus is."

Wallace said at this point the actual details of the incident are less relevant because "This is what it is. People know this. People will draw their own conclusions."

"It probably wasn't enough to ruin the trip," she added, "but there is a very worrisome Obama narrative shaping up" in which he's ignoring the advice of military officers such as General David Petraeus and he's not fully paying attention to "the importance of seeing the troops, no matter how logistically challenging it might be."

Bounds later added in an e-mail: "The only reported stipulation was that Barack Obama had to leave his celebrity entourage at the door, but he skipped on the injured troops anyway, so it's fair to question his judgment and we'll keep doing it."

Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin contributed to this report.

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God Bless Obama and the Democratic Party

, please rescue us from these economic and foreign affair woes that Republicans have dragged upon us all in the name of making their big oil friends wealthier. There's more to America than the big oil companies, and only Democrats seem to realize this. The end of a Republican Error is coming very soon, amen.

Posted by: Mike | July 30, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

What has Senator Obama ever done that could convince an objective person that he will even do what he promises? He's reversed himself on key issues like FISA, whic he said he would not only vote against, but filibuster. What he did was vote for it, even though it still had the retroactive indemnity he was torqued about in the first place. What about his pledge to abide by campaign finance? Broken. And now he's backing off his commitment to a 16 month timetable.

Where in his very, very, unremarkable career has he ever stood up for something no matter what? Even on the question on the war in Iraq, his position was exactly where his Hyde Park liberal district was. It cost him nothing, politically.

You had authentic leaders, like Biden, Dodd, Richardsen, and Clinton. People who, even if you disagreed with them, would stick by their positions. And you through them over for a few nice speeches full of "sound and fury signifying nothing".

Yes, you have hope. That's all you have.

Posted by: finally | July 30, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the question, Steve.

1. He'll veto any bill that carries pork barrel spending and/or earmarks. You can believe it because he is routinely reviled by Republicans and Democrats for publically exposing them on this.

2. He'll pass comprehensive immigration reform, an issue he owns. Once again, he has fought his own party on this.

3. He'll launch the most ambitious and far reaching energy reform progarm the world has ever seen, using nuclear, wind, and thermo.

4. He'll press the war on terrorism relentlessly. He isn't afraid of calling out anyone in any party that impedes this.

5. He'll use a nuanced, realistic foreign policy that looks out for OUR best interests. Where he can work with allies, and it's in our best interests to do so, he will. He is neither a europhobe nor a europhile.

Posted by: finally | July 30, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats have to learn to never over estimate the intelligence of the average voter as did Dukakis,Gore and Kerry.McCain is following the masters of deceit (reminds me of J. Edgar Hoover's talking about the Communists) in focusing the campaign on doubts about his opponent away from his own. A pretty good Jedi trick and he may be older than Yoda. Politics as practiced by Dick Morris, the late Lee Atwater and Carl Rove is more application of Carl Durocher's old line about nice guys finishing last and not the old bromide of Art Linkletter on how it's nice to be important but more important to be nice. When the going gets tough the tough have to get going.Once again we are seeing a strategy of if you can convince them, confuse them.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | July 30, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Strange how in all this we totally ignored the fact that McCain cancelled a visit to the troops stateside in April for exactly the same reason... he was told by the Pentagon it would be a political visit.

I guess whatever sauce is chosen for the goose isn't good enough sauce for the gander... I wonder why?

http://www.shockedandawful.com

Posted by: Del Wasso | July 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's character is clearly visible. He divorced his automobile accident crippled wife to marry a rich former cheerleader. He tauntingly sang -bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran to the tune of that Beach Boys song. Mr. McCain in 2003 naively stated that the Iraq war would be "short and paid for out of Iraqi oil revenues". John McCain's despicable "Troops" ad demonstrates his tendancy to resort to high-toned pieces of sophomoric flatulence in times of stress. In it, the McCain campaign states that Obama canceled the trip because "the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras." It comes despite repeated pledges by the Republican candidate that he will never question his rival's patriotism. It is clear that John McCain is of poor character. He never has liked to obey rules, and graduated 894 of 899 in his class at the Naval Academy. He has a history of cursing out his wife in public and blames it on PTSD. Haven't we been down this road before with another hardheaded idioat???

Posted by: DuffyShort | July 30, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

That's 'Little Jake BRATWURST D,' if you're curious.

Posted by: JakeD | July 30, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Mmmm, Major and Teddy, you guys are speaking my language. Care to come have a cocktail with me after work? I'll be on the third floor, in the lounge, wearing my Hef robe. The drink will be cold, but we'll be plenty hot enough.

Little JakeD is already eager to meet you... I may have to 'discipline' him before you arrive.

Posted by: JakeD | July 30, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The "one reason" I am voting for McCain is to overturn Roe V. Wade. I don't mind if the rest of this election becomes a referendum on Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | July 30, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Can McCain give us one reason to vote FOR him, as opposed to voting against his opponent? It looks like McCain's entire campaign now consists of trying to make voters fear and distrust Barack Obama.

According to McCain's most recent commercials, Obama is 1) responsible for the increase in gas prices, 2) Dislikes the troops, 3) Is no more equipped to be president than Britney Spears or Paris Hilton. Very persuasive arguments indeed.

Will McCain ever talk about his plans for the economy or Iraq and how they are basically just a continuation of the Bush policies?

Posted by: Steve Nesich | July 30, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Dana:

Andrea Mitchell is a tool. Obama's spokesman claims they were going to just leave the entire press corp waiting in a plane on the tarmac, and you believe that? They were hoping it got out, just like Obama's trip to the Western Wall.

RealChoices:

I missed your post last night, but if you are still around, please tell me specifically what you think is "dishonest" in McCain claims. The FACT is that Obama canceled a visit with wounded troops in Germany. NOTHING prevented said visit except the military prohibition on the press / campaign entourage. A reasonable deduction is that Obama canceled because he could not bring the press / campaign entourage. If that is the case, then I think an "Obama doesn't care about the toops" narrative fits the evidence perfectly. Shame on you for not even admitting it is a possible motive. To you, The One can do no wrong.

Posted by: JakeD | July 30, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain's desperate. He's taken the very low road. He's just plain in a fantasy world. He doesn't have a clue anymore. He's the candidate of fear. Obama represents hope to most of us now. Old vs New. Hope vs. Fear. Your choice.

Posted by: Jim | July 30, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Mccain knows that story is not true Andrea Mitchell a commentator for MSNBC was with Obama and said Obama never intended to take the campaign or camera's. Mccain knows this but he's lying to do exactly what he accuses Obama, political expediency. Mccain is desperate and will do and say anything because he's behind in the polls. Mccain needs to concentrate more on his message and his talking points.

Posted by: Dana | July 30, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

...Is there somber violin music in the distance..or is it McCain crying into his
Budweiser pint...

Alas...McCain really is sad...his RNC/GOP make him spew nonsense on his "Straight Double-Talk Express"...his inner demons wanting to punch his advisors in the mush and become the McCain of 2000....

This was ONCE a noble man, a war hero...now he's a puppet..a talking head..and now he has to believe the lies...The RNC/GOP have destroyed this once proud man..his defeat by the doofus Bush 2, has whittled his once sharp mind into applesauce....

He had turned his back on our veterans and never voted on ANYTHING that would help their lives easier form the transition of being on the front lines in War to the front lines in the supermarket..

..no to more money for wage benefits of the soldier, no more money for healthcare, no more money for health care for those who risk their lives to protect a "lie" a "Mission Accomplished" occupation.

He must take all types of medications that Cindy provides for him give those glasseyed smiles after every sentance of those "town hall meetings".....

Sad Music...for a sad campaign....
More Lies
More Attack Ad's
More McCain Gaffes
More of Cindy's Starry Eyes Companion looks
More of the same....but not on election day

Posted by: AlexP1 | July 30, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain and his camp are just whining, they are jealous of the Obama's camp on how organize and smart they are. They should not discuss this topic much, because the more they stay on the topic, the more it will stick. Move on, there are more important issues to deal with.

Posted by: Meg | July 30, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain and his camp are just whining, they are jealous of the Obama's camp on how organize and smart they are. They shoukld not discuss this topic much, because the more they stay on the topic, the more it will stick. Move on, there are more important issues to deal with.

Posted by: Meg | July 30, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

How come this is not on the front page or discussed by the commentators? Just like Obama's speech yesterday, another situation taken out of context and exploited for possible political gain based upon untruths, or worse, half truths...Talk about integrity!

Posted by: Michael | July 30, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama should bring charges against McCain and sue him for grievous insult and defamation of character.
If Obama lets this pass and allows McCain get away with this personal attack on his integrity and character, Obama isn't fit to protect the rest of us.
Last week's constant barrage of snarky attacks on Obama while he was overseas on a trip that the repulsive bully McCain had been goading him into himself, is evidence to all just what a unethical president HE would be.
I judge candidates for president on their conduct while campaigning for the position. And, if McCain conducts himself as president as he has on this campaign, he will be even worse as a president, yes, even worse, than the bicycle-riding while our troops are dying, shallow, belligerent sociopath who insults us all by clinging to office when he should have resigned in shame years ago, Bush.
These personal assaults upon his honour by McCain should be answered directly by Obama, they are too vicious this time to be left his surrogates, as Obama is wont to do.
This time it is Obama's job to take on McCain himself .... mano a mano, especially in this instance.
Republicans are THE PARTY of sleaze but this time they've gone beyond the pale.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps, if McCain, would take a little more time to become comuter literate, he could research many of the facts he continues to make mistakes on. Better yet...maybe it is not "mistakes," but mental health issues which beset him. (I would liken it to "dementia.") As we get up in years, the body and mind go through many changes. I, too, am proof of this with some ailments I possess. Thank God, not loss of mind as yet.
McCain and his campaign, should really be attempting improve and upgrade their candidate, rather than squandering good time trying to pull Obama down. The voters are interested in the ECONOMY...LOST JOBS...HIGH GAS PRICES...FORCLOSURES...EDUCATION, etc. Let's get back to business!

Another Senior Citizen Who is Concerned about America and its Direction!

Posted by: mojo3 | July 30, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

McCain Charge Against Obama Lacks Evidence
This is a much better title for the article. Adding an opening paragraph does not change the truth of the article.

Posted by: ajaramillo | July 30, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Some of John McCain's Voting Record on Veteran's Issues

April 2003, Tabled a motion to provide 1 billion dollars of National Guard and Reserve Equipment.

October 2003, Voted against a bill to provide 322 million to provide safety Equipment to our troops in Iraq.

March 2004, Voted against eliminating abusive tax loopholes that would have
Increased Veteran's medical care by 1.8 billion.

March 2006, Voted against closing Corporate tax loopholes that would have Increased Veteran's medical care by 1.5 billion.

April 2006, Voted against providing 430 million to Veteran's Outpatient Care.

May 2006, Did not vote on a resolution to start redeploying US troops from Iraq by March 2008.

September 2007, Voted against Senator Webb's amendment that would specify minimum rest periods for US troops between deployments.

May 2008, Spoke out against Senator Webb's GI bill that would provide 100% tuition and assistance to our Veteran's, then did not show up to vote on it.

Why don't you GOP morons tell us again how much John McCain loves our troops!

Posted by: ruthella10 | July 30, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Grampy McShame talks about troop support and has voted against them in terms of pay, equipment and medical support for years. The record is easy to check although it will never be pointed out in this paper. Military officials have no problem admitting McLiar and his bloviators to their facilities for nothing more than photo ops as long as he is only taken to the clean parts of the facilities and not the roach and rat and moldy facilities that abound like Walter Reed Hosp. As unbelievable as it could be McLame would be an even bigger disaster than GW McBrush has been.

Posted by: HR Holmes | July 30, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: mdtif5z6wm | July 30, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

One thing you learn pretty quick about blogs like these: there are kneejerking, rhetoric-filled extremists on both sides of the fence and all you have to do is substitute the words 'Obama' for 'McCain' (or vice versa) and see that regardless of whether they proclaim themselves to be progressive or conservative, there's actually not a shred of difference between the two.

This blog is a splendid example. Obama and McCain both preach working across the aisles, but take a look here at the ranting and raving of their supporters. Such extremism... on both sides. Remarkable!

Posted by: Casey | July 30, 2008 4:51 AM | Report abuse

You know the best way to tell the Republicans from the Democrats? The name calling. People of a genuine Democratic demeanor seek to include. They may not like you, but they won't deny you your opinion and they won't deny you your God given rights as a living breathing Human and American.

People of a radical Republican demeanor seek to exclude. They may not like you and telling you to shut the hell up is ok. It is also ok to deny you your rights long before it is proven that the abrogation of those rights is necessary (see "WAR ON TERROR.")
The problem here (and in many blogs/message boards) is one of discourse: The Democrats want to talk and the Republicans want to dismiss.

Soren Kirkegaard: "You label me, you negate me."

It is the Radical Right's credo to marginalize... to dismiss through labels. JR's post does a fine job of proving my point:

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"That is why you DUMBocrats/Obamacrats/ SOCIALISTS/HATERS OF G/BUSH are NUTS!!! THIS candidate is a Black 'Dan Quayle' I could not vote for that idiot for VICE PRESIDENT or his Idiot Boss HW Bush and I sure as hell am not going to invite disaster by voting for a man who's whole life's experiencies fit onto a 3x5 card!!! WAKE UP AMERICANS the "Emperor has no Clothes" and I'll vote for Mccain because on his worst day being tortured and beaten in Vietnam for 5 years he had more love for America than 46 yr.Obama and Michelle Obama could ever have in their whole short easy lifes of 'Eliteism' and going to 'HAAAAAAVARD/Columbia' that 99% of you HATEFUL Left wingers or your childern could never get into-and that is not Racist--that is a FACT Jack!!! You see folks I'm from Joliet Ill. and Chi-town people never impressed me- Not even Alphonso 'scarface' Capone-
The Mayor Daily Machine invented him and Reverended Wright gave him his 'perspective' on religion( GD AMERICA /GD AMERICA etc.) and the MSM is in love with him--It ABC/R time again 'Anybody but Bush/Repubs' You left wing nut jobs really believe that Obama's real slogan is "VOTE FOR ME I"LL GIVE IT TO YOU FREE by RAISING EVERY TAX HE CAN FIND ON RICH people AND A 1000
more ThAT the Dumocrat congress will invent IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECESSION INCLUDING A carbon TAX- NOW THAT IS TRUE ECONOMICS GENIUS!!!!!!! IN FOUR YEARS YOU WILL BE BEGGING FOR 6% UNEMPLOYMENT FROM ANOTHER DEPRESSION OF 25% UNEMPLOYMENT.
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Somebody is either paying this guy, or he's done three tours of duty in the Bill O'Reilly/ Sean Hannity/ Michael Savage Boot camp for the Radical Right.

What's at stake here is huge. My hope in the end is that we could put aside the bluster and fearmongering and have genuine debates. Supposedly, McCain is tired of being Obama's opening act, but McCain isn't a headliner.... and while Obama is the true force behind ticket sales, the radical right paparrazzi is just praying that he stumbles... praying that the eloquent, educated senator from the state of Illinois gives us something ugly to talk about... then we can go back to our miserable unquestioning lives and be happy with our underpaid, overinsured, unprotected, libertyless ways and be further ok with the continued departure of "certain unalienable rights."

While no hands are clean in the Senate and House, If the Republicans are so pro-American, then why would they be ok with the biblical flood of American jobs to countries not bound by the legislation created to protect the American people? (see "Lead in Toys.") Why would they be so against immigration and so for free trade agreements? As the name calling continues, as the insistence on marginalizing grows, and ensuring strife and animosity and division, I am further convinced that the Radical right is far more about America than they are Americans. It is not only our right to question the behavior of any government official-- its our duty. This brings me back to my original point. Democrats want discourse. Let's talk about what matters and stop personalizing the debate.

On that note, I'm voting for Obama because he is not a crass old man that thinks bombing Iran is fun and he is not going to continue the policies of a failed administration that has done little more than suck dry and cast aside everything that is important to every man, woman and child in this country. Bush has trashed our reputation and he did it on our watch. He has made a mockery of every one of us and the people behind his administration are laughing at us while they burn, shred, and block us from seeing the paper trail that proves their disgraceful abuse of power. Lastly, I shook hands with a Korean War Vet at our Democratic Caucus. He was voting for Obama. I thanked him for his service, but that doesn't make him a candidate for president of the United States of America.

McCain's service to America is honorable, but his conduct as a man is questionable. Being a veteran in a war that has marred American history is as noble an endeavor that I can think of. Being a prisoner of war in that same conflict takes him to a whole new level... but it doesn't make him the best man for the job by default.

Posted by: Seamus | July 30, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

It was a lie. Fox News and Rush Limbaugh will perpetuate the lie. The WaPo, NYT, and CNN will take a middle of the road position that it may have been untrue.

And half of America will believe the lie, a quarter of the people will think it may have been a lie, and a quarter of the people will think McCain may have been telling the truth.

That's why democrats can hold the right policy positions, have better character, but still lose elections.

The media is screwed up. And America is getting screwed. Again. For like the 40th year in a row.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

There is proof that Obama never planned to take the media inside the hospital. Why doesn't somebody interview the many media that were
with him.

Obama needed a witness when he met with people that report to Bush.

Andrea Mitchell reports on why Obama didn't visit wounded troops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VF_QFeRWHY&feature=related

DODD 1344.10. and Hatch Act
http://www.rs.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123105411

-- "Want to attend Congresswoman Smith's rally on base? Let's hope there isn't a rally on base. Installation commanders must ensure that candidates who visit military installations do not engage in any political campaign or election activity"

McCain Knows Better Navy Would Not Approve Visit

Pentagon walks fine line in 2008 campaign

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/03/mccain.pentagon/index.html ignored for McCain's visits

"But the Navy declined a McCain campaign request to speak at the Naval Aviation Museum at the naval base in Pensacola, Florida, because it is a military owned installation and is located on the base, the official said."

Posted by: Jim | July 30, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Actually, there are a lot of Obama people here because Obama people actually know how to read.

Ignorant dittoheads listen to Rush on the radio and then take his advice, and what Limbaugh encouraged Republican voters to do in Ohio was a fifth-degree felony in that state, punishable with a $2,500 fine and six to 12 months in jail. That is because in order to change party affiliation in Ohio, voters have to fill out a form swearing allegiance to that party's principles "under penalty of election falsification."

Anyhow, we have two countries- an intelligent, moral one (east, west, north) that votes democratic and an immoral, ignorant one that votes for politicians who lie, cheat and steal but claim to be patriots, and get us into bs wars with lies ,lies that must be perpetuated lest we dishonor the fallen...

Thanks for sharing the darkness. Now go crawl back under your rock, knucklehead,

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama. The f*cker is so wrong for president.

Posted by: Teddy | July 30, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

You are kidding about personal attacks right!! There are so many Obama trolls here it looks like a Daily KOS convention calling Mccain: 'crazy', 'old' ,'a liar', a Neo-con Scum-Bag etc.

I have a few comments thought if you don't mind


-- First of all an Obama troll(I suspect) said "It's time to elect a smart person" Wow here is how smart Obama isn't--That pole he is standing next to above with that pretty gold statue is "LADY LIBERTY" to celebrate the Germans Victories over all other countries they 'VANDELED and MURDERED in Europe over the centuries!!! The (NAZIS= Germans) moved it in 1939 to the Park and her outstreched right with the wreath in it is the what the NAZIS used to scream 'Sieg Heil'/ Sieg Heil' about a Zillion times too work themselves into a murderous rage to justify murdering or causing the murder of 4o million people including 6 million JEWS. I'm sure after Obama left from the 'wailing wall' with a prayer 'for his and his families safety' he went to this pole of MURDER and raised his right arm streched out
just like the statue-WOW !! Don't believe me-- check Wikipedia for 'Victory Column in Tiergarten Park in Berlin' "Sieg Heil is a German phrase, which literally means "Victory Hail" or "hail victory". During the Nazi era, it was a common call at political rallies. When meeting someone, it was customary in Nazi Germany to give the Hitler salute and say the words "Heil Hitler". "Sieg Heil" was reserved for mass meetings such as the ones at Nuremberg where "Sieg Heil" was shouted in unison by thousands."

-Be sure to dig a little deeper and see the paragraph about how the NAZIS Murdered ALL the handicapped people at 'a building in the Park' that they later tore down== tear down the wall???

That is why you DUMBocrats/Obamacrats/ SOCIALISTS/HATERS OF G/BUSH are NUTS!!! THIS candidate is a Black 'Dan Quayle' I could not vote for that idiot for VICE PRESIDENT or his Idiot Boss HW Bush and I sure as hell am not going to invite disaster by voting for a man who's whole life's experiencies fit onto a 3x5 card!!! WAKE UP AMERICANS the "Emperor has no Clothes" and I'll vote for Mccain because on his worst day being tortured and beaten in Vietnam for 5 years he had more love for America than 46 yr.Obama and Michelle Obama could ever have in their whole short easy lifes of 'Eliteism' and going to 'HAAAAAAVARD/Columbia' that 99% of you HATEFUL Left wingers or your childern could never get into-and that is not Racist--that is a FACT Jack!!! You see folks I'm from Joliet Ill. and Chi-town people never impressed me- Not even Alphonso 'scarface' Capone-
The Mayor Daily Machine invented him and Reverended Wright gave him his 'perspective' on religion( GD AMERICA /GD AMERICA etc.) and the MSM is in love with him--It ABC/R time again 'Anybody but Bush/Repubs' You left wing nut jobs really believe that Obama's real slogan is "VOTE FOR ME I"LL GIVE IT TO YOU FREE by RAISING EVERY TAX HE CAN FIND ON RICH people AND A 1000
more ThAT the Dumocrat congress will invent IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECESSION INCLUDING A carbon TAX- NOW THAT IS TRUE ECONOMICS GENIUS!!!!!!! IN FOUR YEARS YOU WILL BE BEGGING FOR 6% UNEMPLOYMENT FROM ANOTHER DEPRESSION OF 25% UNEMPLOYMENT.


"He hasn't lied, or backtracked, or chosen the low-road in attacking his opponent Mr. McCain."

Here is why the vitriol will last the Neocons and other patiotic people HATE YOU LEFT WING BASTARD COWARDS DEFEATISTS, ANTI-MILITARY(they are baby killers) LIBERALS, MORE THAN YOU COULD EVER HATE THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE TRYING to SELL OUT AMERICA after 9/11 AND HIDE IN YOUR BASEMENT JUST LIKE THE COWARDS IN EUROPE-esp> SPAIN!!!! And I don't give a damn about saying I want EVERY DAMN MUSLIM EXTREMIST--DEAD after 9/11. I still remember the sound of people hitting the concrete next to the TWIN TOWERS- THAT YOU LIBERS et al have forgotten!!!!!!!!!!
Don't get me started I might really say what I mean ha,ha

In closing I saw the DARK KNIGHT last week -it is the BEST BATMAN MOVIE EVER and an author on a right wing CNN show said he thought it was really about George W. BUSH being BATMAN and the JoKer being "terrorism" and neither died but the war went on and Batman was willing to have Gotham vent on him IF HE HAD TO WIN against terrorists. OOOG that comment will steam you a person who would even allow you to HATE HIM IF IT MEANS VICTORY ha,ha,ha.
the REAL JOKERS ARE STILL OUT THERE AND YOU WANT UNDER THE mommie,mommie save me, save me please HOW MANY MOVIES HAVE HOLLYWOOD LRFITIES MADE and books written about MURDERING GEORGE W.
BUSH and now the final movie W. a retrospective of everything from a lie called PLATOON to Redaction.
Probably 20movies/books all told they might a $20million. WOW BATMAN = $300 in one week GO
W. GO ha.ha
Over and out see ya later alligator

Posted by: Jr | July 30, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Local Authority:

Not to be contentious, but the implication that it makes no difference whether the US President is an intelligent person or not is disturbing. The nature of the presidency and the demands placed on the intellectual gifts of the president have changed quite a bit from the days of TR and FDR. Perhaps it was not just coincidental that the successful presidency (a budget surplus at home and peace abroad) of a Rhodes Scholar has been followed by the thoroughly failed presidency of a C-student.

As for health, candidates these days have little choice but to make public their medical records (along with testimonials from their doctors.) The public is keenly interested in the candidate's health history, and they recognize the value of good health when it comes to discharging the duties of the world's toughest job.

In McCain we have a 71-year old C-minus student with at least one major health problem. In the 46-year old Obama we have an A student at the prime of his life.

It boggles my mind that voters are (are they really?) indifferent to a no-brainer of a choice.

Posted by: R M Gopal | July 30, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Let's see:

1980: McCain lies to and cheats on his first wife, then ditches her for a richer, hotter, younger model. The leaves the military and goes into politics.

1990: McCain is part of the lying, cheating, stealing Keating Five scandal. He is absolved by his peers in the senate. Then spends the next 10 years on campaign finance reform to whitewash his past sins so that he can....

2000: Run for President and get his butt kicked by the lying, cheating, stealing Bush/Rove political machine that puts it around that McCain has a black bastard baby.

2008: Cozies up to the Bush people, their tax cuts, their religious agents of intolerance, big oil, and the politics of lies and deceipt.

Who is the real John McCain?

A lying, cheating, stealing born politician.

There should be no 'question' about McCain's criticism of Obama's trip.

It was a lie. And that, along with his charge of sedition, and trying to blame $4 gas on Obama, makes McCain a LIAR with NO CODE and NO HONOR.

Go to hell, sir

Posted by: Anonymous | July 30, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Time to wrap up the comments for this article. Bottom line: We've had the kinds of leaders we've deserved and we'll continue to get them if this testimony to American intelligence is any indication.

Better read up before you sound off. Listen more. Become smarter.

Chao.

Posted by: Darrell Bening | July 29, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey McMainiacs...What does McCain stand for now? He was against the tax cut, then he was for tax cuts, now he is back to "taxes are on the table." Will the real McCain stand up?

Is he for staying in Iraq for 50 yrs? 100 Yrs? or has his timetable/time horizon changed to 16 months? LMAO

Is he for family values now? In 2000 he sure wasn't, when he was tapping his lobbyist's a$$, certainly not when he was screwing around on his disabled wife.

He says he support the troops, but Veterans group give him a D on his voting record. He campaigned against the new GI bill and has cut funds for disabled vets. No surprise when he threw his crippled wife under the bus. Why not the troops too?

McManiacs have nothing to run on. Sad...Really!

Posted by: Diana | July 29, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry to disappoint but since I'm neither John McCain nor Barack Obama, I can't even begin to second guess why they've done what. Sorry, but I'm just not an insider like all of you. My apologies.

Posted by: Gretchen Dimor | July 29, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Good evening Democrats and evil Republicans,

It's 11:20pm EST do you know where you hard working tax dollars are being deployed right now?

That's right! We are building a democracy for Arabs who will kick us out the first chance they get! Brilliant.

No, we didn't want that 2+ trillion dollars to go to education, health care, clean energy programs, and economic stimulus programs. We don't need no infrastructure improvements. We're Americans! We're white! God is on our side! It'll all work out Ok.

W. got elected. Twice. What more proof could you ask for that God is white and loves America.

I'm thinking we need a looney left religious bloc to counterbalance Falwell, Robertson and the boys. I say we go high tech with it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tGioDgUY7w

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I would say this to Lakisha who wrote a comment a while ago. Lakisha, if you're going to send comments please learn how to spell. Secondly, in response to the end of your comment, black people have been in the White House for years - as waiters and cooks. Get over yourself and your attitude.

Posted by: Dr Doug | July 29, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Lakisha.....girlfriend nice try....trying to be black and all....but anyone with the least bit of common sense is able to sniff out the shear fact that you are definitely not black and not an Obama supporter....your character is more of the white racist neocons who continue to rape the U.S. economy, the people, our soldiers, etc....nice try though....but you reak with the foul odor of a rethug.....you should get to the white house asap and help our empty headed prez...pack up his belongings and the golden vault which he and Cheyney stole from us hard working middle class Americans and hitch it to the a$$ that they'll be riding and head on back to Texas! Hahahahaha.....

Posted by: Say it ain't so.... | July 29, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain's just pissed off and jealous because:

1) Obama took his suggestion and went to Kuwait, Afghanistan, and Iraq; met with our troops in all of those countries, shot some hoops with troops in Kuwait and visited wounded troops in Iraq; Obama was clearly warmly welcomed by all and even the Iraqi government agreed with his timeline for troop drawdown in Iraq.

2) Obama was warmly welcomed everywhere he went, Jordan, Israel, Berlin, Paris and London.

3) Obama demonstrated to us all that he is a competent and intellectually savvy leader, capable of speaking with intelligence and understanding about many of various complicated problems facing our relations with our allies, and in situations in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Iran.

4) Obama did such a fine job that the media found him and his trip far more newsworthy than any of McCain's activities or mis-statements.

At one time McCain truly was a maverick who was able to express a more clear understanding of the world and our place in it. It is rather sad to see and hear that command slipping. Honestly, I've had to wonder if we aren't seeing the early signs of some sort of senile dementia like maybe Alzheimer's? The fact that McCain can't seem to remember stances and comments he's taken in the past, to the point of denying such even when faced with video evidence from previous interviews, plus confusing the names of countries, misidentifying which country borders which other country, getting stuck on one theme (as in repeating his assertions about 'the surge') too many times, and finally showing evidence of increased irritability are concerning symptoms of a mind that is either slipping, or evidence that he hasn't been paying attention. Either way, I don't want someone like that as my president.

In any case, whenever someone takes up the tactic of pointing the finger of blame at an opponent, includes lying about the opponent, it is a good sign that the attacker is trying to cover up some serious shortcomings of their own by using distraction.

Such behavior is not presidential in my opinion. I'm old enough to remember Ike. So, I've lived through many presidential administrations so far. Bush 2 has been the worst, but I think McCain might actually be able to outdo him.

Regarding a person's "race" I was taught that all humans, infact the whole world and universe, are blessed creations of God. Therefore, we humans should be respectful of all life, and in particular regarding other humans, God loves all of his/her creations regardless of skin color. religion, or ethnicity, so who are we mere humans to do otherwise?

New scientific research regarding the human genome is telling us that all humans share a few 99.9% of genetic information that we inherited from a few common ancestors. Ancestors who came out of Africa, from the Great Rift Valley. Variations in skin color, hair color, eye shape, and such are environmentally driven genetic adaptations. Period.

Posted by: Judith | July 29, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Lakisha, if I didn't know better I woulda thunk you were black instead of from KKK international! Great posting but you have to learn the meaning of SUBTLE.


all white folks isw racist. they have ruined this country and now they are trying to ruin obama. but that is alright cause we are taking over in novrember. just like the iventer of the peanut said, george washington carver, the black man cannot get free until he is up inside the white house.

Posted by: Impressed but not convinced | July 29, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

all white folks isw racist. they have ruined this country and now they are trying to ruin obama. but that is alright cause we are taking over in novrember. just like the iventer of the peanut said, george washington carver, the black man cannot get free until he is up inside the white house.

Posted by: Lakisha | July 29, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Answers to Mr. Ghopal's questions:


1. Don't we need an intelligent person in the oval office? Is it not a critical requirement that the US president be demonstrably intelligent?

NO. We have dozens of previous examples as evidence that this is NOT a critical requirement.

2. Don't we need a healthy, energetic, hard-working individual to lead us in this complex world?

NO. Look at Franklin Roosevelt, arguably one of the most effective presidents ever. Or asthma sickly Teddy Roosevelt. Or back-aching JFK who still could philander despite the pain.

Posted by: Local Authority | July 29, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is thank God the media are getting to the bottom of the vastly important issue of why Sen. Obama didn't visit a military hospital in Germany, instead of wasting their time (and ours) on trivial, pointless topics like the energy crisis, global warming, the war in Iraq, Iran's nuclear program and the meltdown of the U.S. housing sector.

Clearly, a country with its eye on the ball -- like ours -- has a great future ahead of it.

Posted by: Peter Principle | July 29, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

ohmahgod, i never thought Karl Rove had switched sides until I read this....

I am truly and equally amazed at how far Sen. McCain has gone in his campaign specifically given the fact that he is comes from a generation of white tr$sh. It seems that white men have quite a history of raping women and cheating on them and treating them like dogs. Sort of like the way McCain has treated his cripple wife and his empty headed horse riding botox aging harlet wife, Cindy.

Posted by: aghast | July 29, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

My candidate Barack Obama must start visiting troops visibly, not just in Germany but throughout the world. While he may not be the commander in chief yet, he needs to demonstrate to all the world that he's willing to do whatever he has to do to become president. In fact, that alone would be powerful testimony to his perseverence and motivation to lead the free world.

George Bush doesn't have to visit the troops and more and he knows it cuz he's a lame duck. No, the time for visiting troops now rests with Barack Obama and I hope he starts even with the smallest local hospital and inquires around if there's anyone lying in bed who was in the military.

Barack Obama has to give the impression that he cares.

If he wants to play golf or basketball he should wait until after he wins the election to do that stuff. After he wins he doesn't have to do anything if that's what he wants (of course maybe that will only give him 1 term in office!!!)

Posted by: Worried | July 29, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I am truly and equally amazed at how far Sen. McCain has gone in his campaign specifically given the fact that he is comes from a generation of white tr$sh. It seems that white men have quite a history of raping women and cheating on them and treating them like dogs. Sort of like the way McCain has treated his cripple wife and his empty headed horse riding botox aging harlet wife, Cindy. They seem to like blond hair, blue eyes, empty headed, bofoons who are unintelligent, has no morals, can't cope with stress, usually under psychiatric care and are closet alcoholics, drug addicts, pill poppers and usually rapes their own children. I think that American (the dumb racist white ones) really admire John and Cindy McCain's character or lack thereof. Says a lot about our unfortunate history surrounding racism. Hmmmm.....I should really start crying for Cindy McCain, the "dumb c$nt." Isn't that what McGoo called his aging wife? Wow...gotta be more careful. The Bush Administration is now 200 years later raping America. I tell ya...these white folks are fixated on rape...ROTFLMAO

Posted by: Mr. McGoo | July 29, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I am truly and equally amazed at how far Sen. McCain has gone in his campaign specifically given the fact that he is comes from a generation of white tr$sh. It seems that white men have quite a history of raping women and cheating on them and treating them like dogs. Sort of like the way McCain has treated his cripple wife and his empty headed horse riding botox aging harlet wife, Cindy. They seem to like blond hair, blue eyes, empty headed, bofoons who are unintelligent, has no morals, can't cope with stress, usually under psychiatric care and are closet alcoholics, drug addicts, pill poppers and usually rapes their own children. I think that American (the dumb racist white ones) really admire John and Cindy McCain's character or lack thereof. Says a lot about our unfortunate history surrounding racism. Hmmmm.....I should really start crying for Cindy McCain, the "dumb c$nt." Isn't that what McGoo called his aging wife? Wow...gotta be more careful. The Bush Administration is now 200 years later raping America. I tell ya...these white folks are fixated on rape...ROTFLMAO

Posted by: Mr. McGoo | July 29, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Why is it so important for Obama to visit troops in Germany?

He's not president. A visit to troops by their Commander-In-Chief would be a relevant morale booster, maybe. Bush?

In fact Bush has been playing golf since the START of the war HE began and IS president. So I think this sort of media buzz is probably better directed at that cretin.

Posted by: Jack White | July 29, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

IF DEMOCRATS WANT TO WIN THIS ELECTION THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT WORKS!!!

Democrats MUST learn from Karl Rove's time-proven effective political strategies if they are to claim victory from the REpublicans this November. Barack Obama must learn never let truth get in the way of power politics. It's the sure strategy to victory and the Democrats MUST hit the ground running to learn these old tricks and learn them more effectively than their Republican counterparts. Not even the most dirty, vicious lie should be exempt from being thrown into the political arena. This is the road to victory and Democrats can not once again let the Republicans snatch victory from their grasp because they refuse to play this political ball game.

Lie, cheat, steal. That what politics are all about and the best politicians are the ones who learn to do these things most effectively but without being caught.

Power corrupts absolutely. No matter what political party is in power, it will become corrupted over time. If the Democrats realize this from the outset, they won't shrink from it, but embrace it wholeheartedly. The one failing of the Republicans is that they didn't use the resulting corruption to secure permanent power. The Democrats, if they're smart, will learn from that mistake and claim the ultimate prize.

Hint to Democrats: Get big business on your side if you hope to win and do it quickly.

Posted by: Looking at history and learning from past errors | July 29, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Dianne72 works for the Obama campaign?

Posted by: Who is the real Dianne72? | July 29, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

If so, the following observation is exactly why I fear that Barack is going to lose the election:

"He hasn't lied, or backtracked, or chosen the low-road in attacking his opponent Mr. McCain."

No serious intending candidate in America loses with that kind of failure strategy. Obama MUST wake up before it's too late and take the low road. Run hard, and run to win, Barack! It's the only way we'll see you leading our country.

Posted by: John | July 29, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, in support of a previous commentator, I too am amazed that Mr Obama has raised the status of poor, uneducated blacks. Some call it the Obama miracle, while others call it a figment of the imagination of inactive minds.

It is also true that Obama appeals to so many whites because, like virtually every African-American in the USA, he's not 100% black, but has some white blood. While some thank Thomas Jefferson to begin the process of blood mixing of African-Americans, slave master rape was more common than collusion, and the process goes back nearly 200 years before Jefferson. Still, that bit of white blood in nearly all African-Americans is, as the commentator speculates, why so many white people have such respect for black people in America.

Posted by: fudgesicle | July 29, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Why can't those who disapprove of Mr. Obama come up with any legitimate (or even true) criticisms?

He hasn't lied, or backtracked, or chosen the low-road in attacking his opponent Mr. McCain.

The racism and vitriol about basketball, the middle name "Hussein," and Kwanzaa sound like blather from a KKK newsletter.

I think there's no question he'll be the best president we've had so far this century :-)

Posted by: ArmyBrat68 | July 29, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

David,

The Republicans have never let the truth get in the way of power politics before so why should we expect that now, after 40 years of the most dirty, vicious lies from the most morally decrepit political creatures, things will be any different.

They will lie. They will cheat. They will steal.

They are Republicans. We know who they are and what they do. Our job is to make sure that Diebold, GovTech, and Smartech don't steal this election.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Sen. McCain refused to distance himself from the Swiftboat attack on John Kerry (he had a chance to do so on Letterman but demurred) and now his campaign is doing it to Sen. Obama.

Posted by: John Leavitt | July 29, 2008 9:08 PM
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John - what you forget is the Swiftboat incident was all true. They offered millions of $ to anyone to disprove it and no one has to this date...including Kerry! Sometimes the truth hurts, eh?

Posted by: Daman1 | July 29, 2008 9:13 PM


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Hmm, I wouldn't exactly call you "Daman" - seems you didn't do your research. Too bad T. Boone Pickens welched on his part of the deal. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/t-boone-pickens-says-no-deal/

"A group of Swift boat veterans sympathetic to Mr. Kerry sent Mr. Pickens a letter last week taking him up on the challenge. In 12 pages, plus a 42-page attachment of military records and other documents, they identified not just one but ten lies in the group's campaign against Mr. Kerry. They offered to meet with him to provide Mr. Kerry's journals and videotapes from Vietnam and a copy of his full military record certified by the Navy - a key demand of Mr. Pickens and veterans who believe Mr. Kerry lied about his service to win his military decorations.
Mr. Pickens replied with a one-page letter, thanking the veterans for their research and their service, but politely saying there had been a misunderstanding. "Key aspects of my offer of $1 million have not been accurately reported," he wrote."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Two very simple questions, if I may:

1. Don't we need an intelligent person in the oval office? Is it not a critical requirement that the US president be demonstrably intelligent?

Obama, with his stellar academic record, passes this requirement with flying colors. McCain, a C-minus student, fails this crucial minimum requirement quite badly.

2. Don't we need a healthy, energetic, hard-working individual to lead us in this complex world?

Obama, at 46, is at the prime of his life. He's athletic, full of energy and physically capable of meeting the onerous demands on the President of the United States. McCain, at 71 (72 on January 20) is visibly tired, in ill health (4 cancer operations) and, frankly, in no physical condition to handle that 3AM phone call.

The differences between the two candidates when it comes to two of the most basic and essential qualifications for the office they are seeking are stark. One meets them handily while the other fails abjectly. Why are we still treating John McCain as a viable prospective president?

Posted by: R M Gopal | July 29, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

If Obama had insisted on visiting the troops in spite of the Pentagon's reluctance, McCain would have been screaming and whining about how Obama was exploiting troops just to look good. Um, sort of like Bush.

Posted by: Dr. Rang | July 29, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Bruce, in answer to your question. In this day and age in modern America, if there's no birth certificate, it means that it must have been a divine birth. Either that or (and this is much more sinister), the Bush administration has hidden all copies of the birth certificate (they would be the only ones in the position to do so) because they are secretly trying to get a foreigner elected as president of the USA... which of course has a fighting chance of making the Bush administration look saintly by comparison.

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Serious Question, here: I read that Obama's father was mostly Arabic, with a little black. Hence the name Barack and Hussein and of course Obama is Arabic. I tried to search for a copy of birth certificate with no success. Anyone know for sure? I did find Obama's wife's thesis a couple years ago and it is very controversial, but now it is no where to be had; even her university denies access to it.

Posted by: Busted | July 29, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse


I am amazed by what Senator Obama has accomplished. I have been in this country for 5 years and when I arrived I was struck at how poor and uneducated most blacks are. I could never figure out why most had children out of wedlock, sold drugs, and were in jail. I suppose it is the slave metality from generations ago but at some point they will have to tak responsibility. I think that is the reason Senator Obama appeals to so many whites because he isn't 100% black. He has a black face but the mentality of a white person.

Posted by: Rahiq Syed | July 29, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

These partisan rantings are a chuckle a minute. I've particularly enjoyed these over others:

"Do not reward these oil pirates by electing a 72-year-old delusional soldier who said we are killing Iraqis to control this oil reserve but he thinks it's okey dokey with Jesus Christ. You are insane and not one more Republican should be allowed in Congress or the White House
"

"I can see Cindy "Steal A Husband-crack head" turning the White House into Callicua (sp?). Sort a like Rome...sleeping with anything and anybody while popping pills and stealing funds from all of her fake charities."

"We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest."

"the thought of McCain as President makes me sick. there were plenty of brave men and women that served in Nam. Those people have not sucked off the public like this old disgusting man."

"I am not a racist and the reason why I've decided to vote Obama is because he is a more handsome and attractive man than that old balding alternative named John McCain."

"McCain's an angry, mentally unbalanced, arrogant liar... and the prototypical flip flopper. Always has been."

"Is this the sort of manners we can expect from her daughters, Maleawan and Sashawan?"

"McCain has lost his integrity. He is abusing the troops by making them a political tactic. Very shameful."


Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

he looked out at that crowd and saw gila monsters instead of people, and that his mind snapped completely when he felt something large and apparently vicious clawing at his legs. We can only speculate on this, because those in a position to know have flatly refused to comment on rumors concerning the Senator's disastrous experiments with Ibogaine. I tried to find the Brazilian doctor on election Bight in Milwaukee, but by the time the polls closed he was long gone. One of the hired bimbos in Milwaukee's Holiday Inn headquarters said a man with fresh welts on his head had been dragged out the side door and put on a bus to Chicago, but we were never able to confirm this. . . .

Posted by: Bluto | July 29, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dianne72, please, please take your offensive, racist comments elsewhere.

Posted by: bhoistheman | July 29, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Serious Question, here: I read that Obama's father was mostly Arabic, with a little black. Hence the name Barack and Hussein and of course Obama is Arabic. I tried to search for a copy of birth certificate with no success. Anyone know for sure? I did find Obama's wife's thesis a couple years ago and it is very controversial, but now it is no where to be had; even her university denies access to it.

Posted by: Bruce | July 29, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

xxx is sitting around reading blogs... when he could rescuing puppies.

Where are your priorities? You are just like Obama! You could be helping people, but instead you just type stuff on the computer.

Posted by: Bluto | July 29, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

In other words, the McCain campaign knows its untrue. And yet, they still want to fool the people. By the way, I'm surprised the WAPO didn't cite factcheck.org, which called the McCain ad "false."

A McCain TV spot falsely insinuates that Obama canceled his visit because "the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/snubbing_wounded_troops.html

Posted by: David | July 29, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Can't get any traction with your unpopular ideas? Start lying. Afraid that Obama might finish this trip without a single gaffe? Invent one. Worried about your opponent's war record? Smear it.

Oh wait. That was 2004. Same story, though. Back the conservatives into a corner, and they'll say anything to knock you down.

Posted by: ssdd | July 29, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

McCain has officially jumped the shark. I blame the Ibogaine. That stuff is nasty.

Posted by: Bluto | July 29, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of oil rigs... did anyone hear about the million dollars McCain in exchange for changing his position on offshore drilling? No joke. He is the #1 recipient of big oil money.

Meanwhile, Iraqis are blowing themselves and each other to smithereens in a war McCain made possible. Do they have oil there, too?

I bet if they found oil under Mt. Rushmore, he'd want a rig right on Washington's face.

Posted by: Bluto | July 29, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Hundreds are dying in Dafur yet Barrack Obama is planning his vacation in Hawaii. Has that man no sense of humanity? Or is his color only skin deep?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: xxx | July 29, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey Diane 72.....I can see Cindy "Steal A Husband-crack head" turning the White House into Callicua (sp?). Sort a like Rome...sleeping with anything and anybody while popping pills and stealing funds from all of her fake charities. If Mitt Romney is the V.P. pick, Mrs. Romney had better watch her husband, because ole washed up wrinkled Cindy will end up giving Mitt a b.j. in the oval office all the while maintaining a fixated botox smile that is stuck on her ailing washed up wannabe barbie doll face. Cindy looks like an aging barbie from the early 70's! ROTFLMAO.....McCant Remember Sh$t looks like a poppy eyed, angry, disgruntled yellow teeth old fool who can't move his arms above his waist....Mr. McGoo could you please pass me the Koolaid....Oh, I am sorry you can't move your arms past your neck...flip flopping fool! Hahahahaha.....

Posted by: McCant Remember the Truth | July 29, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm so happy to report that today my candidate, John McCain, posed in front of oil rigs instead of fighting terrorists which is only a pretense to secure control of Middle East oil..... which we all know, is an exercise in futility.

We wouldn't have the terrorist problem if we'd concentrate on becoming oil independent. Kudos to John McCain for picking the proper priorities! It says a lot about his fine character.

Posted by: Pluto | July 29, 2008 10:05 PM

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What do you think energy independence requires you silly person? Drill here, drill now. I would even like to see oil derricks in every backyard in the US with Old Glory flying on top. That would be very patriotic.

Posted by: Daman1 | July 29, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

If any one of you out there believe a single thing that either OBAMA or MCCAIN say on camera, this close to the election, the Brooklyn Bridge is still for sale at a bargain basement price!

You're all losing sight of the fact that this is politics. Politics has the goal of grabbing power and anyone who would stoop to enter politics certainly isn't saying things because they actually believe in what they're saying. Instead, they're just looking for more votes to launch them into the throne.

Posted by: Dems 205, Repubs 205 | July 29, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

What a surprise! St. John the Apostate of Maverick Herodom has been exposed as a grumpy old man willing to go negative this early because, frankly, HE SUCKS!

Yeah, that's right, McCain cultists, your guy actually is not only flawed, but a pretty damn lousy candidate for President. Hence his going so negative so early. He's getting owned up and down this campaign, and HE'S GOT NOTHING.

Nothing but lies and more Rovian politics.

People -- read what some of the 28% dead-enders are writing here with a huge grain of salt. These people have their own agenda. Let's cling to power NO MATTER WHAT. As if the rotten-to-the-core GOP is nothing but a shell of what it once was.

And this is coming from someone who actually voted for Bush in 2000: GOP -- NEVER AGAIN!! NOT FOR DOG CATCHER!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

A child is missing in Florida...

But John McCain is having a blemish removed by his plastic surgeon.

He has no sense of priorities.

Posted by: Bluto | July 29, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm so happy to report that today my candidate, John McCain, posed in front of oil rigs instead of fighting terrorists which is only a pretense to secure control of Middle East oil..... which we all know, is an exercise in futility.

We wouldn't have the terrorist problem if we'd concentrate on becoming oil independent. Kudos to John McCain for picking the proper priorities! It says a lot about his fine character.

Posted by: Pluto | July 29, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to pull a Tony Snow on John McCain.

Posted by: cancer | July 29, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

If anyone of you still believes anything Obama or his campaign says, I have two offshore drilling rigs off the coast of California and one off the Eastern Coast I'll sell you at a good price.

Posted by: John Q Public | July 29, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think the pro-McCain poll was very good. Polls of registered voters do not take into account systemic disenfranchisement of poor and minority voters. "Likely" voter tallies take into account which votes will be thrown away as well as the preferences of the machines themselves. It is a much more realistic take on the electoral process.
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Again the poll also ignored the 11% democrat advantage in registration by splitting the replies 50/50. This is ontop and beyond the "likely voter" questions.

it didn't magically end up even, they forced it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

A gunman opened fire in a Tennessee church? Where was John McCain?

Talking to reporters on his private jet. As usual.

He's too lazy to stop a lone nut in his own country... What makes you think he could do anything about bin Laden?

Posted by: Bluto | July 29, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Bluto, I disagree with your comment as I've repasted it below. There is plenty of precedence to argue that those candidates who go negative early and most strongly, win. The one exception (but actually it's not) was Bill Clinton on behalf of Hillary. He didn't go negative in a subtle nor an effective way, he was like a wildcat out of control in the henhouse. But for the most part, it is far more effective for a candidate to go negative. Both McCain and Obama don't do this naturally but as time passes they're both coming to see the effectiveness of going negative.


Bluto said:


You know I had the same questions about McCain. He spends so much time bad-mouthing Obama in front of the cameras, when his time could be better spent hugging the troops.

Posted by: Bluto | July 29, 2008 9:52 PM

Posted by: Frank | July 29, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I've concluded that Dianne's IQ must be 72. I can't believe she's still dropping comments about someone eating food.

Posted by: MyVoteDoesNotCountInAlabama | July 29, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, these attacks work. They worked for Clinton she just started too late. Obama was very good initially about responding quickly and strongly. Perhaps he is now believing his own hype: "the chances of winning are very good." The chances of the first person of color being elected to the Presidency are not very good. He had better get his head out of the clouds and get back in the ring and fight or else this improbable Republican nominee will be our next POTUS.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Today, instead of fighting terrorists in Iraq... McCain posed for photos in front of oil rigs.

It says a lot about his character.

Posted by: Bluto | July 29, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh, great, that racist hack Dianne72 has reared its head again. It's Tuesday night, don't you have a Klan meeting?

Posted by: markydeee | July 29, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think the pro-McCain poll was very good. Polls of registered voters do not take into account systemic disenfranchisement of poor and minority voters. "Likely" voter tallies take into account which votes will be thrown away as well as the preferences of the machines themselves. It is a much more realistic take on the electoral process.

Posted by: Bluto | July 29, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain is disgrace to real war veterans. He should know better than to use this as a political football. There have been many other people who have served during Vietnam and other conflicts and in both Houses of Congress on both sides of the aisle but no one else has used it so much in order to leverage an election for their personal advantage. Republicans like to think of the themsleves the party of patriotism which is supposed to be the uniting idea of a nation, however they seem to use it as a dividing rod for every recent election. When will people realize this "we love our country/vets more than you" arguement is moot when the overall objective is peace with others.Vets of WW2 are different from all other Vets, their cause was of clear and present danger. Since then we as a nation moved from defensive to "pre-emptive" thus our lack of any resounding "victory" since then. Americans will quickly fight for a "just" cause and no matter how you would like to paint it, since Vietnam we have not had a real "just" cause. The politicians will tell you it was a "just" cause as they fold the flag and give it to some grieving mother but can we honestly say that Johnny dying in Iraq for the liberation of the Iraqi people really changes anything about how we live our lives here in America? Or even if we ever do capture or kill binLaden will we all of sudden breathe a collective sigh of relief and get rid of all the wire tapping, long lines at airports, be able to bring toothpaste or a bottle of water on board a plane again. 9/11 was a defining moment in American history but will we allow it to forever define us as Americans? Are we not more than a bunch of flag waving, lapel pin, yellow ribbon wearing cowards who live in fear of the "different"? The media and some political narcissist seem to think so. The war on terror is the war du jour created by the powers that be. Persons who wear their religious affiliation as shield to defend against the atrocities they commit are only playing a psychological trick on themsleves in order not to see the true horror of their acts and real reason behind it-uncontrollable fear.

Posted by: Irony | July 29, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Simple answer: 1 result came from a sample of 'likely voters' the other was a more random sample. 'Likely voter' samples in most (not all) cases are a better predictor of who will actually win. However, some candidates buck the trend by actually inspiring more of the 'not so likely voters' to get out there and vote. That's the explanation for the 2 results. Look at how close both results are - polls use a sample, not the whole population to come up with their results.

Hope that answers your question below:


Why wasn't the Gallup poll that showed McCain ahead of Obama not highlighted for hours like the previous polls that showed Obama ahead? ooooooo that is right. McCain is a Republican. Ooops. Sor-ry.

Posted by: Fighterotm34 | July 29, 2008 9:33 PM
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I'll tell you why. Because that poll was flawed in its methodology. The poll you are refering to that put McCain 4 point ahead.

it wasn't a random poll, they ruined that by willfully making sure there was exactly the same number of republican replies as there was democrats.

all other polls don't do this.

A true random sample would have reflected the 11% lead in registrared voter going to the democrats.

Posted by: Pollster | July 29, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

This really reflects poorly on John McCain. The claims are at best disingenuous and at worst, flat out dishonest. I thought he was a honorable man, but I'm having my doubts.

JakeD, your comments epitomize the dishonesty of the McCain claims. You don't even care about evidence if it doesn't fit your "Obama doesn't care about the toops narrative." Shame on you!

Posted by: RealChoices | July 29, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

You know I had the same questions about McCain. He spends so much time bad-mouthing Obama in front of the cameras, when his time could be better spent hugging the troops.

Posted by: Bluto | July 29, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I just love the rabid pro-BO or pro-JMc postings here, they're so darned funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: beauty queen | July 29, 2008 9:45 PM
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Me too!!! I crack myself up all the time! Say Beauty Queen....got any pics you could send me. I'm quite the looker myself, heh, heh.

Posted by: Daman1 | July 29, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Going negative is the most effective way to win elections in the USA. If you care enough about your candidate to want them to win the upcoming election, then you'd better put all possible pressure on them to GO NEGATIVE.

That applies to any and all candidates. Believe you me, going negative works. I've watched superb, ethical candidates totally destroyed by a negative campaign because they were naive enough to think they could win by campaigning honestly.

Naiivity only wins you a place in front of a computer screen. It doesn't win power.

Think about it.

Posted by: Rove understudy | July 29, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

McCain shouldn't be criticized for his words. They aren't his, those are words he's being told to say by the same group that told Bush what to say during his campaign.

We keep hearing intelligent conversational English from Obama and nasty little sound bites from McCain. Unfortunately, those nasty little sound bites carry a lot of weight with those who are not in-depth oriented, many of whom we're hearing from in this conversation today.

Posted by: KenJr | July 29, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Why wasn't the Gallup poll that showed McCain ahead of Obama not highlighted for hours like the previous polls that showed Obama ahead? ooooooo that is right. McCain is a Republican. Ooops. Sor-ry.

Posted by: Fighterotm34 | July 29, 2008 9:33 PM
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I'll tell you why. Because that poll was flawed in its methodology. The poll you are refering to that put McCain 4 point ahead.

it wasn't a random poll, they ruined that by willfully making sure there was exactly the same number of republican replies as there was democrats.

all other polls don't do this.

A true random sample would have reflected the 11% lead in registrared voter going to the democrats.

Posted by: yar | July 29, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

And to think that this discussion is going to solve America's problems.
Who'd thunk that visiting wounded soldiers was the answer to all the problems!
And to think that most of us thought that it was issues that mattered.
Well, golly. No wonder we are in such a pickle!

Posted by: phorse | July 29, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Both campaigns seek anything they can use against the other guy. McCain is really grasping at straws and is the sort of traditional politics that voters have tired of. Make your positions clear, without pandering to both sides of you party. That goes for both of you.

Posted by: sean mcveigh | July 29, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

This goes way beyond 'negative campaigning'. This is just outright lying by McCain and his people. If I had ever entertained thoughts of voting for McLiar, this would be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. We've had 8 years of a bunch of thieves and liars running this country. I'm sure not voting for any little maggot that would continue this kind of BS.
McCain may have been a hero once, but no more. Just another political hack.

Posted by: Keith B | July 29, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I just love the rabid pro-BO or pro-JMc postings here, they're so darned funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: beauty queen | July 29, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I am so unbelievably sick of this incessant faux outrage over completely manufactured non-issues. Is this the best they can do? It comes across as nothing more than petty grade school jealousy. Kudos to Obama for trying to stay above the fray. That more than any other reason is why I plan to vote for him. Any candidate whose message is so weak that all their campaign can do is bite ankles isn't worthy of my support. What happened to the John McCain I used to respect?

Posted by: Chip_M | July 29, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The "women For McCain" had an interesting comparison of the Obama trip from Obama's and McCain's perspective:
http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/
These ladies have their "act" together...LOL!


Posted by: waltb31 | July 29, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Elephant farts;

What passes for For Republican Dialog.

Posted by: frankismydog | July 29, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

To the poster that asked: Kwanza is, as you suspected, a made up holiday developed specifically to annoy white supremist racists in the USA and cause them to fall over in rage.

Posted by: Wiki-pediate | July 29, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Leave McCain alone and stop picking on him. He's like the kid in the school yard that's only method of attention is to point his finger at others and say negative things in order to make trouble. So leave him alone (or get him counselling) because he has nothing constructive to say or positive input 'cause afterall he numb to anything real and doesn't not look on the brighter side of life. He's incapable of seeing the good and his focus on the the perceived dark side of life is very telling. Anything that appears geniunely marvelous darling is contrived to look so by McUnny.

Posted by: MissClarity | July 29, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm forced to agree with the poster's statement that "negative campaigning is amazingly effective." This is why the 2 candidates Mr mccain and Mr obama need to concentrate on running the best negative campaign if either of them wishes to win and become president.

btw this is not only true in the USA but also in many countries. The most effective politicians are those who go negative early and do so in very strong and forceful manner.

Politicians in Mexico have begun to look up to the USA to see how best to do this style of negative campaign because it is proven effective and more productive at giving best results.

Posted by: Jesse Ortega | July 29, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

What is flimsy is the "journalism" of this newspaper. Why wasn't the Gallup poll that showed McCain ahead of Obama not highlighted for hours like the previous polls that showed Obama ahead? ooooooo that is right. McCain is a Republican. Ooops. Sor-ry.

Posted by: Fighterotm34 | July 29, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of basketball...I heard from an inside campaign source that Michelle and Barry Obama are already planning to add a Kwanza display next to the National Christmas Tree...I'm not sure what Kwanza is but I think it is a made up holiday to celebrate the first time Dr. J dunked from the foul line....or something.

Posted by: Daman1 | July 29, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Quoting jabberwolf: "Is this reporting or should I just give a dollar to Obama's campaign rather then buying the Washington post. Apparently I'm supporting Obama buying the Washington post anyway!"

Yeah! How dare the news media report the truth when it doesn't favor Republicans!

Posted by: Wild Bill | July 29, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

"Where on earth do you think Obama's men Axelrod and Plouffe got their strategies? They dispatched Hillary EXACTLY by following Rove's message."

THE ABOVE IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR OBAMA IF IT'S TRUE. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER JOHN MCCAIN CAN SPREAD HIS OWN ROVE GOSSIP FAST ENOUGH TO COUNTERACT OBAMA'S ROVE RAVINGS BEFORE IT CATCHES FIRE AND DESTROYS MCCAIN?

Posted by: FENCE-SITTER | July 29, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

A McCain win means the end of the conservative Republican party.

An Obama win means the end of the country.

Posted by: Garland1 | July 29, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Magoo and the Republicans bozos on this bus will be blaming Obama for his name and his looks and everything except his intelligence and ability to discern between the real enemey and a fake enemy Big Oil Bubba created to make stupid Americans kill their own kids for oil contracts. It will get dirty and again we will see the dark side of American racist stupidity in all its four colored glory. Buckle up. Vote Obama and take stop the Oil Occupation for Jesus!

Posted by: bob II | July 29, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

negative campaigning is amazingly effective.

Rather than the complex task of understand issues and policies, nuances.

All you got to do is appeal to rage, find that instantaneous anger button.

And it only takes a sentence.

"He loves abortion clinics and despises children!"

That was easy.

"Obama loves germans, but could care less about our wounded soldiers."

Ouch! I'm starting to get angry.

Where's the proof? oh wait, i'll get it... shucks the dog ate it.

I mean he visited the wounded before, he has hung out with our military.... but, but...

not enough, and every day that goes by that he doesn't shake the hand of a brave fighter, is just a day he's dancing like a prima donna.

As I said a few days ago, the media is doing some re-balancing from the trip, looking out from McCain's perspective valid or not, they don't want to be accused of favoritism.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

If Wesley Clark isn't a good "talking head" to put out there to throw the dirt against McCain, who can we get that will be more effective? No doubt about it, Rove Rampages WORK. They work and they work well and any of us who seriously wants B Obama to become the next president needs to think seriously about how to use the most effective Karl Rove tactics against the opponent. If we don't do it first, you can be damned sure that McCain's staff will step into the void. It's a dog eat dog world in American politics, survival of the fittest. There are ample Democratic candidates at lower levels who have actively adopted Karl Rove tactics against their Republican opponents knowing full well that the winner is the one who plays the dirty tricks first. Any one of you out there who supported Obama and think that in the long, long 4 months until the election he can continue to play nice and stay ahead, you're sadly fooling yourself. We need a Swift boat style attack on McCain, the question being only what Swift Boat issue can we use (it doesn't have to be true, it only has to catch the wind and spread).

Thanks for letting me share my opinion.

Posted by: Karl Rove Rules | July 29, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

If anyone did anything improper, it was the military and it sounds like they were in cahoots with McCain -- the same McCain that votes no to anything for the military he supposedly supports so much that might cost money.

Posted by: Sara B. | July 29, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Thanks a bunch, Tim Berners-Lee. Bet this forum and the wingnuts on here this is what you had in mind when you helped develop the Internet.

Posted by: Brian | July 29, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Rove is da man said:
I strongly urge our noble candidate, Barack Obama, to adopt Karl Rove's strategies to the max.
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Uh... where have you been "Rove"? Where on earth do you think Obama's men Axelrod and Plouffe got their strategies? They dispatched Hillary EXACTLY by following Rove's message. They even used his tried and true tactic of repeating a single phrase over and over. Rove's favorite was "The American people know that... blah blah blah (fill in the blank)." Axelrod and Plouffe variations of "This is the same old politics as usual that Americans are tired of". It's ironic because that is exactly what they were doing... the same old tired politics as usual (a la Karl Rove). Too bad it's taking so long for everyone to figure it out. But they will. And they are. Obama is a scam.

Posted by: ConcernedCitizenX | July 29, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

just another example of how McCain's new campaign team is going to Swiftboat Obama at every turn whether there is truth or not behind the charges.

John McCain has morphed before our eyes from a true national hero to a groveling candidate who will authorize any amount of negative campaign tactics to win the office he covets so much. Worst of all, he has surrendered the high ground to a group of paid operatives who typify all that is wrong with modern American politics.

Straight talk. I think not.

Posted by: robert bell | July 29, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

McCain embarrasses himself more and more with each passing week. He cultivated an image as a maverick in 2000 because it was the only way his candidacy could work. But underneath that well-crafted image, he's basically a crotchety old guy who does whatever his advisors tell him and lashes out at anyone who has a different point of view. Seeing as how he'll end up with a great deal of Bush's crew in the White House, I'd expect to see the same results from a McCain presidency that we got from Bush.

Posted by: davestickler | July 29, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm voting for Obama because his wife dresses far sexier than Cindy McCain. Honestly both candidates wives have access to sound advice on dress so I don't know why Michelle has followed this advice to a T while Cindy McCain seems to be oblivious as to what the word SEXY means.

Vote for the candidate who's wife you really want to look at for the next 4 years.

Posted by: Diamond Jubilee | July 29, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

As a former troop, there isn't one troop in Iraq who wouldn't rather be fighting with NATO and UN troops in Afghanistan against the enemy rather than Iraqis protecting their oil. About ninety days and counting to decide the next four years. Choose wisely America or our economy is going to collapse, ie, banks are closing because Republicans write bad checks to steal oil. Period. It is a Repubican eight year plague!!

Posted by: bob II | July 29, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Wesley Clark?? His own troops and officers hated him and thought he was the most arrogant SOB. Guess that is why he gets along so well with Obama. No one cares what Wesley Clark says.

Posted by: Daman1 | July 29, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the Women For McCain:
http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/
This group is unanimous in their support for McCain...

Posted by: waltb31 | July 29, 2008 8:50 PM
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Wow, women who run a website called "womenforjohnmccain" are unanimous in their support for McCain. Who'd o'thunk it?

I'd list all the websites for Obama that are unanimous in their support for Obama, but I don't want to make too long of a post. Google it.

Posted by: | July 29, 2008 9:11 PM
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Before you slam the link, click on it. You will "see" why I support the "Women For McCain" 100%...LOL

Posted by: waltb31 | July 29, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, the one who wins will be the one who plays the Rove game the best.

McCain needs to keep harping on Obama not visiting the wounded troops. Obama needs to keep Gen. Wesley out there in front saying that getting shot down in war doesn't qualify one to be president. Maybe the best down-in-the-dirter win the big sandwich!!!!!

Go for it!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain is becoming more and more like Bush, now bringing in dishonest politics into his arsenal. This is sad: I thought he was a better man than that. I'm losing respect for the old fella.

Posted by: Jim from Idaho | July 29, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Sen. McCain refused to distance himself from the Swiftboat attack on John Kerry (he had a chance to do so on Letterman but demurred) and now his campaign is doing it to Sen. Obama.

Posted by: John Leavitt | July 29, 2008 9:08 PM
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John - what you forget is the Swiftboat incident was all true. They offered millions of $ to anyone to disprove it and no one has to this date...including Kerry! Sometimes the truth hurts, eh?

Posted by: Daman1 | July 29, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

As an African American, I believe any candidate who doesn't follow Karl Rove's brilliant (brilliant means "highly effective") political strategies is a fool. What works, works and its the means to the end. Not once has Rove or any similar strategist been held to task for unethical techniques. Instead, the techniques simply work and those using them gets into power.

I strongly urge our noble candidate, Barack Obama, to adopt Karl Rove's strategies to the max. Ultimately, playing above the fray you lose. Don't lose, Barack. Play the game and play it better than your opponent.

Karl Rove's strategies are now open to the public domain.

Posted by: Rove is da man | July 29, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the Women For McCain:
http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/
This group is unanimous in their support for McCain...

Posted by: waltb31 | July 29, 2008 8:50 PM
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Wow, women who run a website called "womenforjohnmccain" are unanimous in their support for McCain. Who'd o'thunk it?

I'd list all the websites for Obama that are unanimous in their support for Obama, but I don't want to make too long of a post. Google it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Two legitimate possibilities for why John won't let this drop: He is in the stage of senile dementia where a current mental thought gets locked in the victims mind and gets repeated over and over until some other thought dislodges it, sometimes after days, or weeks.

Since he has lost the possibility of his 100 year war, 9maliki pulled the persian carpet out from under him), Fiscal conservativism, ($%00 Billion and half that again to pay for that war John loves so much) Energy Policy, (The business people [pointed out that we haven't the drilling ships we need to drill at known producing fields) (And somebody else pointed out that the lack of refinery capability means we couldn't refine the stuff if we could produce it) is war record (He has pissedoff enough vets that he is now under a swift boating from all over that makes SBVFT look like a purring pussycat) Republican principles of Governance. ('nuff sed) etc etc etc, thaat it is exactly the only splinter of a plank he has left to stand on.

Declare it old news and stop talking about it and in a week John will evaporate and disappear.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.om | July 29, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Undisputed Fact: This country is in a mess. The mess extends to such things as the looming social security fiasco which neither Republican nor Democratic leaders have been able to solve, even when their party was also in control of Congress.

Undisputed Fact: Public approval of congress is at an all-time low, even lower than the President's approval rating.

Undisputed Fact: Congress cannot get anything done because of the extreme partisanship of its members, the black and white way they look at everything, and the paralysis this causes.

Undisputed Fact: The American public is either mirroring this partisanship (which is the source of our paralysis) or is blindly following it.

Undisputed Fact: The comments you see on this board are a beautiful illustration of why America is in such a mess.

Posted by: Pure Patriot | July 29, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

How much is the B.O. campaign paying the author of this article for the hit job on McCain! All the S&#t about how it's a Dem year and yet McCain is right where he needs to be. This B.O. fraud is going down like the pig his wife is.

Posted by: Marc | July 29, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Sen. McCain refused to distance himself from the Swiftboat attack on John Kerry (he had a chance to do so on Letterman but demurred) and now his campaign is doing it to Sen. Obama.

Posted by: John Leavitt | July 29, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain's attempt to smear his opponent is typical of a candidate whose campaign is in trouble.

Posted by: Paul R | July 29, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Partisan commenters on this blog are a laugh a second! Keep it up, folks!

Posted by: His Way | July 29, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

It all goes to character and decisionmaking...all bad in this case for Obama. I think he just Swiftboated himself. This is spreading virally on the internet and especially on military and military family websites. Curious to see what the polls will look like next week.

Posted by: Daman1 | July 29, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

To all the McCain is a better CIC, thinkers chew on this. McCain voted against Powell on our mission in Somalia, he voted against Shinseki on Iraq (he resigned before carrying out an order to hurt America), got our best military tactician Adm. Fallon fired with his Iran is a grave threat, did not until recently want the drawdown in Iraq and buildup in Afghanistan as recommended by the joint chiefs, thought Al Qaeda was in Iran, thought Iraq and Pakistan have a border, thinks the Czech Republic still exists, thinks Iraq is central to the war on terror and the invasion was a good thing, voted against added educational benefits for our warriors, wants high troop levels in Iraq with 12,000 already on stop loss, won't talk to enemies as Baker and Gates are now doing and has a violent temper. These are not the qualities I look for in a CIC. Obama stupidly did not believe Petraeus. News for the both of them, when fighting a war it is best to listen to the commanders.

Posted by: Jimbo | July 29, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain and his campaign have descended to the level of just flinging garbage at Obama, hoping that some of it will stick, whether any of it is true or not.

Posted by: oldhonky | July 29, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE ANYTHING JOHN McFLIP-FLOP SAYS?

Republican presidential candidate John McCain drew a sharp rebuke Monday from conservatives after he signaled an openness to a higher payroll tax for Social Security, contrary to previous vows not to raise taxes of any kind.

Up until Monday, July 7 here's what JOHN McFLIP had to say: "Sen. Obama will raise your taxes. I WON'T."

Then, TWO DAYS LATER, speaking with reporters on his campaign bus on July 9, citing a need to shore up Social Security, here's what JOHN McFLOP said: "I cannot tell you what I would do, except to put EVERYTHING on the table."

He went a step farther Sunday, July 9, with his reponse on a NATIONALLY TELEVISED TALK SHOW to a question about payroll tax increases. "There is NOTHING that's off the table. I have my positions, and I'll articulate them. But NOTHING's off the table," McCain said. "I don't want tax increases. But that doesn't mean that ANYTHING is off the table."

John McFlip on Monday. John McFlop on Sunday. Another week in the life of John McFlip-Flop.

Posted by: GaryL1 | July 29, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

This is textbook republican campaigning: throw as many of these phony issues at the wall as possible and see which sticks. As this article points out, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to back up McCain's weak claims, but that never stops the republicans.

And why should it? The MSM lapped up every such pseudo scandal against Gore, no matter how blatantly false they were, and we know what happened.

Some "maverick" McCain has turned out to be. Typical republicans. STart losing and they start squealing and wailing like rats in a corner. I'm glad to see this article debunking this nonsense.

Idiotic.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama never intended to come with press, as usual on his visits to the wounded. He had intended to visit retired Maj. General Scott Gration, who the DOD refused entry. The fact that the DoD had barred a General from entering the base probably served as a good pretty clear warning that the visit was going to be perceived as political, whether Obama came alone or not. Remember, this was coming after Rice's message to the embassies not to aid candidates - any other candidates overseas that week? Obama's a smart guy, I think he and his staff could read the signs. The fact that McCain's campaign is now calling the same General "a celebrity entourage," betrays a pretty crude lack of respect for the same military they claim to be so concerned about.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

So you're telling me he didn't go because the Pentagon said he couldn't or because he decided he shouldn't? HIS OWN PEOPLE SAID BOTH. Why doesn't the WaPo investigate that? Obviously they tried one variation of spin and then thought the other sounded better, in effect politicizing the whole thing. I mean doesn't the author see that by debating which statement to stand behind they're already politicizing the whole thing?>

Posted by: Brad | July 29, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Did McCain visit wounded troops the day Obama did not? The day before? The day after? Today? What a bunch of hooey just because the press is shallow and McCain & his advisers are incompetent! Is Obama ready to lead? Who knows, but he is sure running a much better campaign than the experienced guy. ghx

Posted by: Greg | July 29, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse


Undisputed Fact: Obama was scheduled to meet with the troops.
Undisputed Fact: The Pentagon DID NOT tell him he couldn't come.
Undisputed Fact: The Pentagon DID tell him he could come as long as he didn't bring anyone from his campaign or the media.
Undisputed Fact: When told of this, Obama decided not to go.
Posted by: ConcernedCitizenX | July 29, 2008 8:37 PM
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How do you know? Were you a part of the entourage that travelled with Obama? Are you someone from his inner circle and privy to this information unlike the rest of us? Or rather, just some dumb^ass "neo-con" regurgitating their daily dose of vile bile...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

With this media and the public sentiment scrutinizing his every move; he is damn if he do and damn if he don't..go figure.

Posted by: lg. | July 29, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

EXACTLY


One of the biggest neo-conned, Richard Perle wants to bid on oil contracts in Iraq.

A PNAC'er, Project for a New American Century.

Hello people, that website is now defunct, but you can find it on Google cache.


Republicans are killing troops to retrieve oil contracts and the MORONS on this blog are saying Obama hate the troops because he didn't see them at Landstuhl. I served two and a half years in West Germany. Stick it up your ass! None of you have served so shut up. Barack supports the troops by sending them to accomplish the mission to kill and bin Laden, NOT to enrich some biscuit sucking 800 pound white trash from Dallas banking war profits tax free in the Caymans. You Republicans are such stupid lemmings. You line up next to the bloody cliff MORONS!

Posted by: bob II | July 29, 2008 8:44 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Well Peggy Winthrop....at least you're honest. A tad scary perhaps, but honest.

Signed - a "Kool-aid 'Informed Independent

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

TELL THE TRUTH - After reviewing this article, the conclusion is that McCain is using innuendo and lies to hide the truth: because the Pentagon was not comfortable with the meeting, Obama cancelled it. But this article does not say this clearly. Instead it allows McCain to make false attacks. Is this what the Post wants this campaign to devolve to? Don't we have more important issues to discuss? The Post needs to a do a better job of identifying when campaigns are distorting the facts to make a rival look bad. That's their JOB.

Posted by: jrc | July 29, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I am not a racist and the reason why I've decided to vote Obama is because he is a more handsome and attractive man than that old balding alternative named John McCain. I believe that George Bush was also a handsome man and that's why I voted for him but now the Republicans are not offering the better looking alternative. I am all the way with Barack Obama unless Mr McCain can choose a much better looking VP candidate to help him along.
Thanks for letting me share a very truthful report of why I'm voting for the person I have selected-

Posted by: Peggy Winthrop | July 29, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the Women For McCain:
http://www.womenforjohnmccain.com/
This group is unanimous in their support for McCain...

Posted by: waltb31 | July 29, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

The Pentagon questioned the Colonel attending with Obama as a political visit. A guy that put his life on the line and bled for his country was denied a visit with Obama to wounded troops. If Obama went and left this hero behind, that would be a slight on his military service. Obama made the right choice, the pentagon had the wrong policy. All the visits to wounded troops by Hagel and Obama were secret and kept from the press corps. The cameras in Germany were on and it would seem political instead of caring if his friend was left behind.

Posted by: Jimbo | July 29, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is demonstrating an outrageous and unPresidential habit of lying.

Why would we want as President an unadulterated liar making up false statement after false statement?

My estimation of John McCain has really sunk since he has demostrated this rabid unashamed series of lies.

Posted by: somerseten | July 29, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are killing troops to retrieve oil contracts and the MORONS on this blog are saying Obama hate the troops because he didn't see them at Landstuhl. I served two and a half years in West Germany. Stick it up your ass! None of you have served so shut up. Barack supports the troops by sending them to accomplish the mission to kill and bin Laden, NOT to enrich some biscuit sucking 800 pound white trash from Dallas banking war profits tax free in the Caymans. You Republicans are such stupid lemmings. You line up next to the bloody cliff MORONS!

Posted by: bob II | July 29, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

A strong voice of support for the statements below! Partisan rhetoric is simply that=empty headed nonsense!

IN FULL SUPPORT OF THESE STATEMENTS:
This entire tread is indicative of the country we live in. Let's all just take sides and say how right we think we are. As long as we can have our iPods and cell phones stuck to our ears to drown everything out--nothing matters much.

Posted by: McHuff | July 29, 2008 8:35 PM

"These posts are hysterical....what load of Partisan Horsecrap from both sides of the aisle."

I totally agree with you. I just wonder why they all aren't off watching television yet (or looking in their inbox for the latest talking points they can use to blindly, blithely support their particular candidate).

Thankfully, their votes are predictable. The independents (scarcely present here and certainly not reading this dribble) are who will decide the election.

Posted by: 100% In Agreement | July 29, 2008 8:35 PM

Posted by: McObama | July 29, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse


Why didn't McCain visit the troops last weekend instead of relaxing at home and napping?

What an as_hole.

He is running a disgraceful campaign and would be a terrible, embarrassing, dangerous President.

Posted by: dAVE | July 29, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Heather, he planned to go without press.

He ALWAYS leaves the press behind when he visits wounded troups, as he did the week before in Iraq, and earlier at the military hospital in Washington DC. This is the wierd thing about this whole flap: he quietly visited wounded troops in Iraq just a WEEK EARLIER, and Republicans keep raising the accusation that he won't visit the troops.

In Germany, he had planned to have just one aid with him -- retired Air Force Major General Scott Gration, who had been organizing the visit, talking with different units who has soldiers in the hospital, planning where Obama would go within the hospital. In the whirl-wind of the overseas trip, Obama wouldn't even know those details until he got there. He would be counting on Gration to make the arrangements.

THen the Pentagon said no, since Gration wasn't part of his Senate staff, his presence would make it a campaign trip. Having a campaign stop at a military hospital is against the rules, so no deal.

When the Pentagon says now that Obama could have come "without campaign staff," they mean without the one person who had been organizing the visit. ANd without any other aid, because all his Senate staff had flown home after the Middle East part of the trip. And the Pentagon didn't deliver this ruling to Obama's campaign until the very night before the visit, which sounds pretty suspicious to me.

And even if Obama had gone alone -- with the confusion and disorganization that would probably have resulted -- you can bet there would have been Republicans yelling about him making that stop, once the Pentagon had labelled it a "campaign trip." Besides, you can't just walk into a hospital alone, except for all your Secret Service, not knowing who you were going to see, and wander around causing crowds of mobile patients to gather, and interfering with the serious work of a hospital. It's the kind of visit that needed to be carefully managed. With the last minute word from the Pentagon, the planned visit was thrown up in the air.

So he didn't go.

YOu can argue with that if you want to. But do note that Obama has already shown his interest in visiting with wounded troops, and he does it without press or public announcement. He has also consistently tried to see that troops get what they need -- sufficient rest between tours, Jim Webb's updated GI bill, adequate health care from the VA. That's more than McCain can say. He used to support veterans issues, but since he wedded himself to Bush, he often votes against them.

Posted by: Fiona | July 29, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

My My. How defensive all the SNOBama kool-aid drinkers have become.

Pointing out how your candidate doesn't measure up to his lofty rhetoric, that he chooses to heap praise upon himself while attempting to ridicule those who have made real sacrifices on behalf of this nation, and chooses not to allocate any of his time during what was ostensibly a fact finding mission too visit and listen to the concerns of our wounded veterans speaks for itself.

Attempting to ridicule Senator McCain's long history with the military, or his demonstrated superior judgment in supporting Gen. Petraeus and the troops who rescued a poorly executed mission this nation sent into war does little to change the facts that SNOBama is little more than an arrogant candidate with little accomplishments to warrant such arrogance, and has consistently shown he is willing to play the same old politics, hide behind his race when others try and expose him for what he is, and that his actions simply do not measure up with his stated positions.

Get a grip SNOBama fans - when he looses it will not be the end of the world. Console yourselves with the knowledge that Now is not the moment for the One - that the American people put far more stock into demonstrated accomplishments and real character - and little stock in presumption and a bunch of symbols. Trying to act like a commander doesn't make you one.

Posted by: clawrence | July 29, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Dear Koolaid:

Best post yet!! :)

Posted by: cecil | July 29, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

To those who keep beggins us to stop typing and start doing leg work for our candidates (McCain in particular), I have something to say to you. Admittedly I'm wasting time here. I won't say who I'm voting for but I will say that I don't expect anything I write here to make 1 iota of diference to anyone or anything. I'm simply here to entertain myself and I resent that some would be emploring that I "make more effective use of my time". If I wanted to do that I wouldn't be here in the first place.

Posted by: TJ | July 29, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Rove has already won this debate. Obama went to Europe, and did more in one week to help restore America's image and credibility than George Bush did in 8 years, won the cheering support of 200,000 people who came to hear him, demonstrated that he is far superior to McCain when it comes to reaching out globally to achieve global cooperation in solving global problems like international terrorism, the global economy, and the environment, yet NO-ONE is talking about it! All Rove & Co. had to do was make up a blatant BS lie about Obama's motives and character and OBama's amazing demonstration of true leadership qualities THAT WE REALLY NEED is swept under the rug and off the front pages. The fact that its a lie only helps Rove because it creates a larger fire and more debate to distract from Barack's amazing accomplishment. Its totally calculated and manipulative. It's infuriating that Rove & Co.'s appeal to the worst in people actually works so well.

Posted by: hesingswithfrogs | July 29, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Nicolle Wallace is a dangerous serial killer. I don't trust her.

Posted by: Robert Goren | July 29, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

This article is a blatant attempt to cover-up a single fact: Barack Obama chose not to visit troops when told he couldn't bring people from his campaign.

Undisputed Fact: Obama was scheduled to meet with the troops.

Undisputed Fact: The Pentagon DID NOT tell him he couldn't come.

Undisputed Fact: The Pentagon DID tell him he could come as long as he didn't bring anyone from his campaign or the media.

Undisputed Fact: When told of this, Obama decided not to go.

McCain is perfectly correct in saying that it is never inappropriate to visit wounded troops. The excuse Obama offers that he did not want it to "appear" to be a campaign effort is idiotic. EVERYTHING a political figure who is campaigning does will appear to be for political purposes EVEN when it is based on a sincere desire to do the right thing. So this excuse does not hold.

The Truth: Obama exercised bad judgment. The proof of caring about someone is whether you do what is right for them regardless of appearances. As I said, McCain is perfectly correct in saying that it is never inappropriate to visit wounded troops. Anyone who disputes that is just an idiot. So we see clearly that even giving Obama the benefit of the doubt regarding his reason for not visiting, it was the WRONG choice to make, a BAD JUDGMENT CALL, and an action which showed that he CARES MORE FOR APPEARANCES THAN FOR THE TROOPS.

You can debate all you want about whether or not McCain is/is not right in how he presented this situation. But I challenge ANYONE to argue the points above.

Posted by: ConcernedCitizenX | July 29, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain's a pig like murdering Republican oil theives. Hey Republicans, who would be stupid enough to kill their own children for oil contracts. You will lose in November like you have never, never lost before. Get your Limbaugh jammies on and go get in bed with your booze.

Posted by: bob II | July 29, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

A story like this really angers me. Yes, I am a Sen. Obama supporter, but this is garbage and Sen. McCain and his staff are really grasping at innuendoes rather then talk about important issues that face this country. I don't have to talk about the litany of issues here, but ask yourself the following. How many GOP member have been charged with crimes lately. That is also a litany too long to include here. Then some day we will learn the truth, maybe piece by piece in history books about the executive branch. Do we torture or not? Do we strip the constitution or not?

I just wish Sen. McCain would be talking about the future since the past is truly one of the Darkest Ages of this country. Let us not strip the oceans with more oil rigs, but maybe put Wave and Tidal buoys to make electricity. Lets not give tax credits over the summer, but help the auto industry get more electric cars on the road and put more people to work. Let's get an energy policy that will not put one (1) life in danger overseas so Sen. Obama will not have to visit them. How about that as an issue Sen. McCain?

Posted by: jerry rubin | July 29, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

That was the fake JakeD at 6:35 PM. I just ate some dinner. As I have posted, before, I am retired with plenty of time to waste here ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

This entire tread is indicative of the country we live in. Let's all just take sides and say how right we think we are. As long as we can have our iPods and cell phones stuck to our ears to drown everything out--nothing matters much.

Posted by: McHuff | July 29, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"These posts are hysterical....what load of Partisan Horsecrap from both sides of the aisle."

I totally agree with you. I just wonder why they all aren't off watching television yet (or looking in their inbox for the latest talking points they can use to blindly, blithely support their particular candidate).

Thankfully, their votes are predictable. The independents (scarcely present here and certainly not reading this dribble) are who will decide the election.

Posted by: 100% In Agreement | July 29, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

And if Obama HAD made ANOTHER visit to wounded troops on his trip, then the McCain camp would say it was for political reasons and not a real, sincere visit. Such BS. Most of the repubs commenting seem not to have even read the column they are commenting on.

Posted by: Angela | July 29, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

someone should be lynched for this.

Posted by: Coon | July 29, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

And those convention goers will be deposited at the bottom of the Maryland Bridge in Minneapolis. Haven't you read the latest about the Maryland Bridge Bridge? Yep a 3X3 piece of concrete fell in the lanes.

Maybe you can go to your convention with Polly Pocket, because that's the only way to cross the river now.


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Posted by: McCain for President | July 29, 2008 8:24 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

The partisan voters on this blog, what a scream they are.... looks like their mouths began where their brain voids left off.

Posted by: Sheer, Unadulterated Entertainment | July 29, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

So why don't you spend less wasting your time on the internets and get the fock outta here.


No one wants to vote for a McPantload. We all are of sound mind & body and evidently you like to cheer for a losing team.

Say sign off McCain for pResident.

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Posted by: McCain for President | July 29, 2008 8:24 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

These posts are hysterical....what load of Partisan Horsecrap from both sides of the aisle. Thankfully, the electorate as a whole relies less on talking points published by "The Party" (whichever it may be) and more on common sense (hopefully).

The truth is, this campaign gets down to the "Empty Suit Messiah", and the "Tired Old Rino".

The Empty Suit Messiah is arrogant and uninformed (a truly dangerous combination), changes positions on major issues with alarming regularity (FISA, Iraq withdrawl, public financing, the death penalty, NAFTA)and a wet-behind-the-ears uber-liberal Junior Senator.

The Tired Old Rino beleives in fairy tales (i.e. man-made global warming), Lawlessness (McCain/Kennedy Amnesty), is running a timid unfocused campaign, is all over the place on ideology, and has a higher probability of dieing in office (making his VP choice extremely important).

Shame on both national parties for scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Signed - A "Kool-Aid Free" Informed Independent

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

From here on out, McCain will be known as McShame. He has no honor.

Posted by: McShame | July 29, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

We ain't seen nothing yet. the Republicans have barely dipped into the bucket -o'-sleaze they are getting ready to paint the town with.

Will this campaign come down to what color tie one wears on a wednesday?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: McCain for President | July 29, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Larry King: So Barrack you are against invading Iraq even though intelligence gathers over the past decade indicates they continue to develop WMD and to support terrorists.

Obama: We just don't know.

Larry King: So you don't give credit to our military for uping the pressure through the threat of and then the carrying out of the surge for the improvements in peace and security conditions in Iraq.

Obama: We just don't know.

Larry King: There ya have it folks, solid evidence of why this great man should be our next President and ruler of all the world.

Posted by: rpatoh | July 29, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

What makes this ad particularly deceitful is that Obama DID visit with wounded troops in Iraq and Afghanistan ... WITHOUT THE PRESS! For McCain to make this deceitful attempt to try to lead to American People into believing that Obama doesn't care about our wounded troops is SHAMEFUL! It's OUTRAGEOUS! It's DISGUSTING! It absolutely blows my mind to think that a man who could make such deceitful, manipulative character smears on another candidate could be our President! I was taught that America was the greatest and most honorable country on earth. McCain's attacks make it perfectly clear that he has no Honor at all. He is throwing America, its flag, and everything America is about into the gutter and taking a big nasty dump on it. It is intolerable that anyone could support a candidate who is so dishonest as to lie so blatantly to the American People.

Posted by: hesingswithfrogs | July 29, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

By October most of the smoke screen haze around mystery man Obama will have lifted to reveal the arrogant radical weasel he really is. McCain will then glide into office via a landslide and all the snarling teeth-gnashing liberals can provide another four years of wonderful fodder for the conservative talk-shows. It is going to be soooo GLORIOUS!!!!!!!

Posted by: cecil | July 29, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Republicans lied to steal Iraq's oil before the smoke cleared from 9-11. Do not reward these oil pirates by electing a 72-year-old delusional soldier who said we are killing Iraqis to control this oil reserve but he thinks it's okey dokey with Jesus Christ. You are insane and not one more Republican should be allowed in Congress or the White House, none, a ban, forever and a day!

Posted by: bob II | July 29, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE GET OFF YOUR BUTTS AND VOLUNTEER TO GET OUR THE WORD TO VOTE REPUBLICAN!

There are many active McCain supporters out there which I'm pleased to see. What I'm not happy to see is how few of you (not just here, but throughout America) have either contributed to Senator McCain's campaign or volunteered to knock on doors, make calls, and otherwise help the Senator win this election. Senator McCain needs hundreds of thousands of more volunteers than he currently as. If you really do care about this campaign, please consider doing less writing on the internet and more foot soldier work to help Senator McCain win the presidency.
Posted by: McCain for President | July 29, 2008 8:13 PM

If a McCain "supporter" knocks on my door, I will exercise my Second Amendment Rights.

Posted by: mnjam | July 29, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey McCain for pResident, why are you spamming this thread????


What the "liberals" talking over your parroted right wing talking points?????


PLEASE GET OFF YOUR BUTTS AND VOLUNTEER TO GET OUR THE WORD TO VOTE REPUBLICAN!

There are many active McCain supporters out there which I'm pleased to see. What I'm not happy to see is how few of you (not just here, but throughout America) have either contributed to Senator McCain's campaign or volunteered to knock on doors, make calls, and otherwise help the Senator win this election.

Your energy here is impressive but it only counts if you do the grunt work. Senator McCain needs hundreds of thousands of more volunteers than he currently as. If you really do care about this campaign, please consider doing less writing on the internet and more foot soldier work to help Senator McCain win the presidency.

Contact the nearest McCain for President office to find out how you can be more effective with your considerable energies.

Posted by: McCain for President | July 29, 2008 8:13 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Why, oh why, has McCain turned into such a sleeze-ball? Attacking at the first smell of blood whether or not there's blood or ketchup.

Looking more and more like Mc. . . .

Posted by: Coldcomfort | July 29, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Nicolle Wallace, another spokeswoman for McCain, said "there is a very worrisome Obama narrative shaping up" in which he's ignoring the advice of military officers such as General David Petraeus and he's not fully paying attention to "the importance of seeing the troops, no matter how logistically challenging it might be."

Nicolle Wallace is another McCain mistress.

This guy really has no shame.

Posted by: mnjam | July 29, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse


Mr. Z can I have your autograph.

Nice and heartfelt post.

I hope the neo-conned get their just desserts this election cycle.


McBush is nothing more then a dirty lier!!

Just like every other Republican sitting on office and any Republican lier who wants to run for office!!!!

I used to like McCain but now...I think he is just pathetic!!!

For Obama this was a no win situation and he did the right thing. wounded soldiers are for use by the Republican party only!
After all they are responsible for them being there in the first place.

The Republicans are the only ones who can abuse and take advantage of our soldiers, because they are the best at sending to their death in a war for oil!!

McBush you old fart...why don't you just quit...you are embarrassing yourself and the people of America!!

You side with Big Oil, Big Business who wants to take American jobs away!

You are an embarrassment to ALL Americans everywhere!

Posted by: Mr.Z | July 29, 2008 7:38 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

The person who called McCain Mr. MaGoo is right on target. Thats the funniest thing Ive heard in a long time. He actually looks like the old man who used to be a spokesman for Great America theme parks

Posted by: Cufflynk | July 29, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain and his asshats with moving mouth pieces are almost as low as Bin Bush and party. Lies, lies and more lies. What ever honor McCain had hehas gave it up so he may sit in the White House. These ads are aimed at the stupid voters you know the type who still think Bush is doing a good job. So if you bought the ad then you to are a stupid person. As far as the SGTMajor well he really should shut up and review McCains voting record on military and veterans issue, if he does then he will find he is sleeping with the enemy.

Posted by: wolf58 | July 29, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE GET OFF YOUR BUTTS AND VOLUNTEER TO GET OUR THE WORD TO VOTE REPUBLICAN!

There are many active McCain supporters out there which I'm pleased to see. What I'm not happy to see is how few of you (not just here, but throughout America) have either contributed to Senator McCain's campaign or volunteered to knock on doors, make calls, and otherwise help the Senator win this election.

Your energy here is impressive but it only counts if you do the grunt work. Senator McCain needs hundreds of thousands of more volunteers than he currently as. If you really do care about this campaign, please consider doing less writing on the internet and more foot soldier work to help Senator McCain win the presidency.

Contact the nearest McCain for President office to find out how you can be more effective with your considerable energies.

Posted by: McCain for President | July 29, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Why attack McCain. The question is, why did Obama snub the G.I.s? The only that changed in Obama's plans was his being informed that campaign staffers were not permitted. If I hear that he changed his plans because the "all knowing one" didn't realize such a visit might be percieved by some as political pandering I might throw up.

"Gibbs's statement said the trip had been canceled because Obama decided it would be inappropriate to go to the hospital as part of a trip paid for by his campaign. Gration said the trip had been canceled because the Pentagon had informed the campaign the visit would be seen as a political trip.

Those two statements, while not inconsistent..."

Not only are these two statements totally inconsistent, they are inconsistent with later explanations that eloquently flowed from Obamas lips.

Posted by: rpatoh | July 29, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

So McCain jumps to false conclusions and falsely attacks just like Bush....kinda figured as much.

Sorry Mr. Magoo but we have had enough of attacking on false pretenses from your cousin Mr. Bush!

Posted by: James Jenkins | July 29, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

"please consider doing less writing on the internet and more foot soldier work to help Senator McCain win the presidency."

Nice try bud but isnt that the essence of mccain supporters? Look at the numbers ie how many are volunteering for obama instead of sitting at their computer then compare against the number of volunteers for mccain. nope the mccain supporters aren't gonna budge. they're quite happy sitting and typing on the internet it uses up less calories.

Posted by: LMAO | July 29, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

What is it this week Sen. McCain, are you a friend of Rev. Hagee or denounce him after Sen. Lieberman visited him?

Posted by: jerry rubin | July 29, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I really used to like McCain. At a charity event in 2004 I mentioned to Sen. Dan Inouye of Hawaii the possibility of John McCain being John Kerry's running mate. It was the first he had heard of the idea and was intrigued. I thought a "fusion" ticket would be unbeatable.

But I am truly disappointed in the 2008 McCain. Maybe it's because he's behind and thinks he needs to drag down Obama to have a chance (Hillary thought the same thing but it backfired because it raised her negatives, not his.)

Maybe it's because he's now 72 and getting impossibly cantankerous.

Whatever the reason, he's not the appealing candidate I thought he'd be. I don't like him anymore.

What a shame.

Posted by: Malama Makena | July 29, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

The desperate dregs of the GOP McCain camp are really scraping the bottom of the barrel for dirt to throw at Obama.

Help me understand this - - The latest fabricated rational for Obama allegedly being an unworthy candidate is he won't go anywhere without the media? You have got to be kidding! That is all the GOP McCain-ers have??

Oh yes, I forgot; just trot out somebody named "Sgt. Whoever" (make sure his name sounds real "heartland American"), stuff sound-bite propaganda into his mouth, and use him as a tool to claim Obama values media attention over meeting with wounded warfighters?

Sorry guys - the current GOP Administration has the market cornered on putting human life below everything else.

The McCain GOP-ers are gunning to be lower than the pack of criminals currently warming the seats in the White House.

I can see it now, here comes the next wave of SwiftBoating.

Guess the McCain GOP-ers weren't all successful quietly encouraging the mouth-breather pseudo-fascists to criticize Obama for having an un-american sounding name.

What a bunch of losers.

Posted by: Jackson | July 29, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Can I have what you are smoking, because you are in neverland. McPantload will not win!!!!

We have been getting off our butts for 8 EIGHT years for NOTHING!!!!


OBAMA #44!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE GET OFF YOUR BUTTS AND VOLUNTEER TO GET OUR THE WORD TO VOTE REPUBLICAN!

There are many active McCain supporters out there which I'm pleased to see. What I'm not happy to see is how few of you (not just here, but throughout America) have either contributed to Senator McCain's campaign or volunteered to knock on doors, make calls, and otherwise help the Senator win this election.

Your energy here is impressive but it only counts if you do the grunt work. Senator McCain needs hundreds of thousands of more volunteers than he currently as. If you really do care about this campaign, please consider doing less writing on the internet and more foot soldier work to help Senator McCain win the presidency.


Posted by: McCain for President | July 29, 2008 8:02 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

As if it matters anyway. We were lied into a war, over 4000 dead soldiers and we are not safer, despite what anyone tells us. It took Al Queda 9 yrs to attack the WTC again and they are patient. They have been re-grouping thanks to Bush, while we've been pissing away our money in Iraq, letting the Republican gov't rob us blind, by catering to right wing extremists here.

Republicans yelling about this, are so full of it. Where is the outrage from Republicans when their own people screwed the economy and put these soldiers there in the first place?

Posted by: Diana | July 29, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, you mean a Republican lied? You've got to be kidding me! What did we expect, the GOP suddely to become the party of personal and fiscal resposbility? No, all the GOP knows how to do is Swift-Boat the other side, they're genetically incapable of not lying. Simply pathetic, and I'll do everything I can to see them dumped from office in November.

Posted by: Tom | July 29, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

This is so sad. Those troops wouldve loved to see Obama, whether they supported him politically or not. It wouldve been a wonderful respite for them, and irrespective of a political campaign a morale boost for the true hero's of this generation. So sad.

I don't believe for a minute our troops would've minded Obama visiting them without a press corps entourage, or if we buy his explanation for scuttling the visit, without Scott Gration holding his hand. Obama easily could have left his babysitters at home and went to the hospital @ Ramstein. That it never occurred to him that this might be the better course of action defies belief.

I wont pretend to have considered Obama as a candidate in the first place, he just doesn't fit my politics, but this could have gained him my respect. Easily this could have been a clear expression of selfless respect for our brave troops, instead it is the opposite.

Posted by: Homunculus | July 29, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm- LOL! YOU, do not understand Racists much do you?

Hint, most are the Poor, and Ignorant!

The Aryan Nation Types, share much with the "Emme Esse" Types, PRISON!

They fail to be able to Vote!

THEY, are Political However. In the way they intimidate others who can!

However, I would argue most White Racists do not like McAmnesty much either!

THAT Said, realize that my beef, is with McAmnesty Types, and the Criminal Employers McAmnesty Types(Bushie, Pelosi, Clintons, Kennedys, OBASAMAs, and more), ALLOW to ILLEGALLY hire UNDOCUMENTED Workers who have at this point DESTROYED our Wages, and Communities they do not contribute Pay-roll Taxes to!

I am furious at the Magnet, and the Source of the Magnet!

Not, the Hard Working fairly decent People, taking advantage there-of!

Although, as the beneficiaries, they do have some of my resentment!

Posted by: SAINT---The | July 29, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Why is it usually Republicans who seem to be making "accusations" surrounding another candidate's "motives" or "character? Usually, their accusations seem to be intentional contortions of the truth. Is this all that they have to offer?

Posted by: moreofthesame | July 29, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

These "rovian" antics the McCain people have adopted will backfire.

Posted by: Fred | July 29, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE GET OFF YOUR BUTTS AND VOLUNTEER TO GET OUR THE WORD TO VOTE REPUBLICAN!

There are many active McCain supporters out there which I'm pleased to see. What I'm not happy to see is how few of you (not just here, but throughout America) have either contributed to Senator McCain's campaign or volunteered to knock on doors, make calls, and otherwise help the Senator win this election.

Your energy here is impressive but it only counts if you do the grunt work. Senator McCain needs hundreds of thousands of more volunteers than he currently as. If you really do care about this campaign, please consider doing less writing on the internet and more foot soldier work to help Senator McCain win the presidency.

Posted by: McCain for President | July 29, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

"pristine White House walls"

I'll assume they must have scrubbed Bill's semen off, but something once jizzed upon is hardly considered "pristine," Diane72.

Posted by: Huh? | July 29, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one getting tired of McCain leaning on the aplomb of the military for his campaign?

How long has it been since Baghdad Market John actually wore a uniform?

Yeah he was in a war once. He got shot down. He was in a POW camp. That was forty effing years ago.

Now he's a doddering fool who calls Iraq the most important issue but can't find it on a map.

Posted by: Chris Fox | July 29, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised McCain is twisting the facts. This is as bad as what he did to Romney in Florida earlier this year with the "timetable for withdrawl."

I voted for McCain in the 2000 Virginia primary. Never again. He no longer has credibility with me.

Posted by: Peter | July 29, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who's leading mr magoo around these days but they have got him on the nasty mode. I personally think Barack who is brilliant and led the Harvard Review will chop this ole cracker into swiss cheese in a debate. Magoo will be slobbering about Czechoslovakia and how many more bad checks Republican oil pirates have to write to keep their new oil colony pumping. Bubba the inbred moron just opened the Largest American Embassy on the planet this week with no announcement, no fanfare, no electricity probably, no military bases except the 20 or so Bubba the Oil Boy is building. Mr. Magoo is NOT up to this task. He is just not bright enough to do this job and he gets way too mad, just another psycho cracker on crusade for crude!!

Posted by: bob II | July 29, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Once again the "straight-shooter" makes unfounded, nasty attacks. Now he is stooping to actual lies. When is the midia going to really confront McCain with his repeated distortions of his own and Obama's record?

Posted by: bgjd1979 | July 29, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

What's the problem here? The reporters on Senator Obama's trip confirmed that there were no plans for them to accompany him on the troop visit. McCain and his puppets are lying, again.

Posted by: bam | July 29, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

The Sergeant Major working at the Hospital has it exactly right. It doesn't matter how the Obama's press alias try and spin this - fact remains he found time too speak with the German people, have tea with several foreign dignataries (what he ridiculed Clinton for), puts more faith in the assement of Malaki than he does in Gen. Petraeus, opposed a policy that has SAVED AMERICAN LIVES and was one the central contributing factors in stabilizing a country that was quickly slipping into chaos. Fact remains he couldn't find the time to meet with our wounded heroes - even after this paper documented the disgraceful way they were treated - and he has no point of reference to understand what they are confronting because when he was their age, rather than share in the sacrifice to defend this nation and its constitution, he has confessed he was busy 'doing a little blow' during an identity journey.

Good thing he is the son of Kenya goat hearder - otherwise he would have nothing to rationalize his pursuit of the highest office in the land.

Posted by: clawrence | July 29, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

McCain sleaze reminding everyone of Bush in 2000 and again in 2004.

McCain = third Bush term

Posted by: Michael | July 29, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

You will get yours

OBAMA 08

Posted by: Mark S | July 29, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I agree-definitely entertaining!

Partisan Americans. So wrapped up in their rhetoric you just gotta luv em.

Posted by: Ron Paul McCain Obama | July 29, 2008 7:48 PM

Posted by: KR | July 29, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

How long would a freedom of information request take to find out if there was coordination between McCain and the Pentagon on this matter?

Posted by: Nancy | July 29, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Some GOP pie hole on CNN just now blasting Obama for appearing too presidential.

I think that's what presidential candidates should try to do.

Maybe he feels like a fish out of water that the Obama camp isn't slinging stanky old limburger cheese around like McCain is.

Friggin paid-off pipsqueak.

Posted by: Gary P. | July 29, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

CORRECTION:

"This is exactly what Sen. Obama AVOIDED doing by [not] visiting the troops while on his campaign's dime."

Posted by: Dan | July 29, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The Pentagon, BushCo, and John McCain would have made every effort to discredit, not only Obama, but Gen. Gration who supports Obama and opposes the Iraq War. We all know how the Republicans, (remember "purple bandaids") love to smear military members who don't buy their lies. They don't give a rat's a$$ about the military unless it can win them votes.
Here are General Gration's credits:

EDUCATION
1974 Bachelor of science degree in mechanical engineering, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, N.J.
1988 Master of arts degree in national security studies, Georgetown University, Washington, D.C.
1988 Armed Forces Staff College, Norfolk, Va.
1993 National War College, Fort Lesley J. McNair, Washington, D.C.
1999 Executive Program for General Officers of the Russian Federation and the United States, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass.
2002 National Security Decision Making Seminar, the Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md.

ASSIGNMENTS
1. September 1974 - October 1975, Undergraduate Pilot Training, 14th Student Squadron, Columbus Air Force Base, Miss.
2. October 1975 - March 1976, Pilot Instructor Training, 12th Student Squadron, Randolph AFB, Texas
3. March 1976 - July 1978, T-38 instructor pilot, 50th Flying Training Squadron, Columbus AFB, Miss.
4. July 1978 - November 1980, F-5 instructor pilot, 425th Tactical Fighter Training Squadron, Williams AFB, Ariz.
5. November 1980 - August 1982, F-5 instructor pilot and operations officer, Technical Assistance Field Team, Laikipia Air Base, Nanyuki, Kenya
6. September 1982 - August 1983, White House Fellow and Special Assistant to the NASA Deputy Administrator, Washington, D.C.
7. September 1983 - December 1983, F-16 replacement training, 63rd Tactical Fighter Training Squadron, MacDill AFB, Fla.
8. January 1984 - December 1985, F-16 instructor pilot and flight commander, 429th Tactical Fighter Squadron, Nellis AFB, Nev.
9. December 1985 - January 1988, international politico-military affairs officer, Office of Regional Plans and Policy, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
10. January 1988 - June 1988, student, Armed Forces Staff College, Norfolk, Va.
11. June 1988 - May 1990, Chief, Offensive Air Operations, Headquarters 6th Allied Tactical Air Force, NATO, Izmir, Turkey
12. June 1990 - August 1990, F-16 replacement training, 314th Tactical Fighter Training Squadron, Luke AFB, Ariz.
13. September 1990 - August 1991, F-16 instructor pilot and operations officer, 512th Fighter Squadron, Ramstein AB, Germany
14. August 1991 - June 1992, Chief of Safety, 86th Fighter Wing, Ramstein AB, Germany
15. July 1992 - June 1993, student, National War College, Fort Lesley J. McNair, Washington, D.C.
16. June 1993 - July 1994, Deputy Director, Chief of Staff of the Air Force Operations Group, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
17. July 1994 - November 1994, Executive Officer to the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
18. November 1994 - April 1995, U.S. Air Force planner for joint and National Security Council matters, Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Plans and Operations, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
19. April 1995 - June 1995, F-16 replacement training, 310th Fighter Squadron, Luke AFB, Ariz.
20. June 1995 - July 1996, Commander, 4404th Operations Group (Provisional), King Abdul Aziz AB, Saudi Arabia
21. August 1996 - June 1998, Commander, 39th Wing, and 39th Air and Space Expeditionary Wing, Incirlik AB, Turkey
22. June 1998 - January 2000, Commander, 3rd Wing, Elmendorf AFB, Alaska
23. January 2000 December 2001, Deputy Director for Operations, J-39, the Joint Staff, Washington, D.C.
24. December 2001 - July 2003, Director of Regional Affairs, Office of the Deputy Undersecretary of the Air Force for International Affairs, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C. (January 2003 - June 2003, Commander, Joint Task Force-West, Southwest Asia)
25. August 2003 - May 2004, Assistant Deputy Undersecretary of the Air Force for International Affairs, Office of the Undersecretary of the Air Force, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C.
26. June 2004 - present, Director, Plans and Policy Directorate, Headquarters, U.S. European Command, Stuttgart Germany

FLIGHT INFORMATION
Rating: Command pilot
Flight hours: More than 5,000 (1,065 hours of combat and combat support time)
Aircraft flown: T-38, F-5, F-16, and F-15

MAJOR AWARDS AND DECORATIONS
Defense Superior Service Medal
Legion of Merit with oak leaf cluster
Bronze Star Medal
Purple Heart
Defense Meritorious Service Medal
Meritorious Service Medal with silver oak leaf cluster
Air Medal with two silver oak leaf clusters
Aerial Achievement Medal with silver and two bronze oak leaf clusters
Air Force Commendation Medal with "V" device and two oak leaf clusters
Joint Service Achievement Medal
Air Force Achievement Medal
Combat Readiness Medal with oak leaf cluster
National Defense Service Medal with bronze star
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with bronze star
Southwest Asia Service Medal with bronze star
Armed Forces Service Medal
Humanitarian Service Medal with three bronze stars
Kuwait Liberation Medal (Government of Kuwait)
Medal of Independence, First Degree (Kingdom of Jordan)

OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS
1981 Ten Outstanding Young Men of America, U.S. Jaycees
Certified as fully qualified Foreign Area Officer, Middle East and Africa

EFFECTIVE DATES OF PROMOTION
Second Lieutenant Jan. 24, 1974
First Lieutenant July 24, 1976
Captain July 24, 1978
Major May 1, 1985
Lieutenant Colonel June 1, 1988
Colonel Jan. 1, 1995
Brigadier General Oct. 1, 1999
Major General April 1, 2003

Posted by: Charles H | July 29, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain is becoming more and more like Bush, now bringing in dishonest politics into his arsenal. This is sad: I thought he was a better man than that. I'm losing respect for the old fella.

Posted by: Jim Donahue | July 29, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: amaikovich | July 29, 2008 7:39 PM

"Going to Berlin, Paris and London was supposed to be a victory lap and instead he urinates on wounded GIs."

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Shame on you. You're putting our wounded veterans at the center of a ridiculous political "controversy." This is exactly what Sen. Obama AVOIDED doing by visiting the troops while on his campaign's dime. Shame on you for making the troops think they've been pissed on.

Posted by: Dan | July 29, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

You know, you could save a lot of space and just call the McCain camps liars - if the shoe fits and all. But McCain achieved his goal - float a lie and let the dumb lazy press obsess over it for a week, so that all McCain's real issue mistakes and bad policies won't get covered. Mission accomplished - thanks, stupid media!

Posted by: Polly | July 29, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain's backers are the same thieves aka neocons that backed Hillary. It worked great for her and it will work just as well for the geriatric team.


Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S STAFF GAVE INFORMATION ?!?!
AND THIS IS WHAT THE WP IS GOING OFF OF?
3 WHOLE INSTANCES HMM REALLY!!?

As opposed to other politicians that have visited hospitals. And all the staff and legal knowledge of what they can or cannot do. They push this back on Obama never intended to bring cameras. Then what? He, his staff, and everyone around him thought that he needed to go the to gym instead?

That's the Washington's post argument for Obama?

Is this reporting or should I just give a dollar to Obama's campaign rather then buying the Washington post. Apparently I'm supporting Obama buying the Washington post anyway!

Posted by: jabberwolf | July 29, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I guess the GOP is using the same sources for info as those for the WMDs in Iraq.

Posted by: jlm062002 | July 29, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Diane, your post was racist. When you fold up your tent at the trailer parked near George W and get some new front teeth, then we'll take you serious....

Posted by: the trailer par police | July 29, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Diane, your post was racist. When you fold up your tent at the trailer parked near George W and get some new front teeth, then we'll take you serious....

Posted by: the trailer par police | July 29, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Amazing that the "Obama loving" press does not draw attention to Senator McCain's cancellation of his trip to New Orleans and planned photo op event at an oil rig off of the coast to tout his support for increased offshore oil drilling. The McCain campaign claimed weather as the reason, but coincidently a barge collided with a ship in the Mississippi hours before McCain can celled the trip and dumped about 10,000 barrels of oil into the river in New Orleans. This was the biggest oil spill in Louisiana in decades.

Was the weather the reason for the cancellation, as the McCain campaign stated, or was the Senator afraid to get caught on the wrong side of another policy issue? At the end of the day, it turns out to be yet another example of a national politician turning his back on the people of Louisiana at the time of an environmental catastrophe.

Senator Obama canceling a visit to wounded soldiers to avoid pulling these men and women into a political fray gets scrutinized and criticized immensely, but Senator McCain's cancellation of a trip to avoid drawing attention to the very real potential side effects of opening offshore drilling in the electoral vote rich states of Florida and California gets almost zero mention. Is that really "fair and balanced"?

Posted by: lgherb | July 29, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Partisan Americans. So wrapped up in their rhetoric you just gotta luv em.

Posted by: Ron Paul McCain Obama | July 29, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama's arrogance showed when, as a guest of Sarkozy, he told Sarkozy from which reporters he should take questions. Very arrogant as a guest.

Also, when Obama made the statement that he would offer Iran "bigger carrots' and "bigger sanctions", why wouldn't the Iranians just keep stalling for bigger carrots? When Obama says he will give bigger carrots, what do you suppose he means?

Posted by: Sigmond | July 29, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Pretty obvious where Obama stands on the military:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

Posted by: Phony Obamamania has bitten the dust | July 29, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

A friendly reminder to all. DO NOT WRITE YOUR COMENTS IN CAPS PLEASE.

Two reasons for this:
(1) Surveys show that 87% of people frequenting this board are writing, not reading (thus, hardly anyone is reading your posting anyway).

(2) USING CAPS as a way to literally SHOUT isn't going to increase that low percentage of readers.

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation!

Posted by: NO CAPS POLICE | July 29, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a liar and finally the media is reporting it. Hes been a liar for a long time, but allowed to get away with it because hes a war "hero". I appreciate his war service but Ill stop short at calling a bad pilot who got shot down and captured a hero. Heros are the guys who rescued McCain when he was too dumb to leave the first time. Now is that sound judgement?

Posted by: Cufflynk | July 29, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Attention::

The American people will no longer allow themselves to be literally raped and oppressed by the Rethugs and the current Bush Administration. The Bush Administration has robbed, raped and killed the American people and the hard working and fighting soldiers. We tend to blame their crimes of stupidity and arogance when it was actually deliberate, cunning manipulation while activley raping our economy, our lives and our families. The nerve that McCan't remember Sh$t believes he should be the the 3rd term McBush. He should be held for treason just for attempting to fake a run for the 3rd term.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Diane, your post was riot. You have a future as a professional comedy writer.

Posted by: Garland1 | July 29, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

BOTTOM LINE

FOR WHATEVER REASON[S]

OBAMA DID NOT

VISIT THE WOUNDED TROOPS

IN THE HOSPITAL.
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A MAJOR MISTAKE FOR ONE OF FIELD GRADE RANK, WHICH AS PRESIDENT, HE WOULD HOLD.
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ANY GENERAL KNOWS THAT YOU GO AND SPEND TIME WITH THE WOUNDED IN HOSPITAL.

DOING SO, GENERAL PATTON SCREWED UP BIG TIME BY INSULTING ONE SOLDIER FOR BEING IN THE HOSPITAL "BECAUSE HE WAS A COWARD AND AFRAID TO FIGHT."

PATTON WAS 'FORCED' TO APOLOGIZE TO THE SOLDIER AND THE HOSPITAL STAFF FOR HIS REMARKS

BUT ++++ VISIT THE WOUNDED ++++ THEY DID !!!

Posted by: brucerealtor | July 29, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"Racists? OVER 80% of People of Color, support Barack Hussein, BECAUSE he is a Person of Color Alone!"

Good point, but there's still 1 problem here.

What you're saying is that I can see the racists around me as I vote for Obama - all the black people. OK, fair enough. I can stay away from them since now I know (accepting your argument) that they're all racist.

But how do McCain supporters figure out who around them spouting anti-Obama rhetoric are card-carrying members of the Aryan Nation, American Nazi party, or KKK?

Posted by: HMMM | July 29, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

The Republican smear machine in action!! They are utterly disgusting as usual! McCain is true to his party, if you can not beat them fairly then smear them with lies.... FIRE ALL REPUBLICANS AND THE DEMOCRATS WHOM ENABLE THEM!

Posted by: nallcando | July 29, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

What I find astounding is the McCain camp and followers are left arguing whether his opponent is patriotic. What an assinine question. I'd argue that trying to divide America is unpatriotic, but it got the last president elected twice, so I guess that's enough for many.

At some point, Senator McCain has to run on his own record and show us why he won't be Bush 3. Constant whining about your opponent isn't the way to show it.

Posted by: amaikovich | July 29, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama has lost his traction and his spin doctors are working overtime trying to patch up Obama's SNAFU in Germany.

The high-and-mighty Obama screwed-up. He talks the talk and won't walk the walk. Obama was a fool for not going to Landstuhl.

The imagery is terrible. Going to Berlin, Paris and London was supposed to be a victory lap and instead he urinates on wounded GIs.

Posted by: alance | July 29, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

McBush is nothing more then a dirty lier!!

Just like every other Republican sitting on office and any Republican lier who wants to run for office!!!!

I used to like McCain but now...I think he is just pathetic!!!

For Obama this was a no win situation and he did the right thing. wounded soldiers are for use by the Republican party only!
After all they are responsible for them being there in the first place.

The Republicans are the only ones who can abuse and take advantage of our soldiers, because they are the best at sending to their death in a war for oil!!

McBush you old fart...why don't you just quit...you are embarrassing yourself and the people of America!!

You side with Big Oil, Big Business who wants to take American jobs away!

You are an embarrassment to ALL Americans everywhere!

Posted by: Mr.Z | July 29, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

The more McBush talks the more stupid he looks and sounds. Just keep your senile mouth shut, that might be your best chance of winning. What a pathetic, desperate, absurd claim.

Posted by: Ryan | July 29, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, government wants all of you to keep writing in places where no one lurks for more than a few hours get those words out into empty space keep thinking that your making a difference even though your not!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: zzzzz | July 29, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

If he was not running for president. What if anything has he done for a soldier? Did he visit them ever? How did he vote? I am glad that he is running all over creation wasting money to see foriegn dignities when the people he needs to win over are here and so far he is a no go in my book.

Posted by: Once a soldier | July 29, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Its so sad that some of you Republican idiots on this post have to keep personally attacking Obama since you dont have any substantive points to attack. Calling him Barry, Hussein, or any other name meant to scare the ignorant is just that . . . ignorant. You will be the one ready to leave the country as soon as Obama is elected. And for if no other reason . . . that hes black. Mc Cain is a liar and a criminal but for some of you that seems better than a black man for the Presidency. Shame on you for not seeing McCain and calling him on his lies.

Posted by: Cufflynk | July 29, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think the McCain campaign isn't in real trouble to resort to this kind of character attack? When you have to make things up because you have nothing else to say, and the press is unable to verify your assertions, you start to look more and more like a liar.

Posted by: maxfli | July 29, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

leaving the readers and viewers to make the leap about Obama's motive

Same Rovian political strategy - same Rovian politician

No more years.

Posted by: Roy | July 29, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Hardly anyone is reading what y'all are writing. This is merely a place to vent your anger, cleanse your body of outrage, so that you won't lift a finger to do anything more. Left and right, Demons and Repugs, type away until you get all that anger out of your system.

Posted by: Bertrand | July 29, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

These comments are a reminder that as a rule we believe what we choose to believe. In any election campaign there will be accusations and counter-accusation--many of them ridiculous. Hopefully sensible people in the middle will see through the BS and help us elect the right candidate. As for me, I plan to vote for the heartless prima dona empty suit black guy rather than the mentally unbalanced, Bush-clone, Alzheimer's patient.

Posted by: Michael | July 29, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Someone who can't be bothered to sign a name asks:

"Has Obama gone anywhere or done anything without his entourage of adoring media friends? No.

"Did Obama take time to visit the troops? No.

"Did Obama take time to play basketball for his idolizing coterie? Yes."


The fact is, oh anonymous one, that Obama visited wounded troops in Iraq -- quietly, and without press. As he has before at the military hospital in Washington DC. He never takes press or makes a public announcement.

He also, of course, visited with other troops, both in Afghanistan and Iraq, and you'll notice that they flocked to him enthusiastically. Maybe they remember that Obama voted for them to have guarantees of adequate rest between tours, which McCain voted against. Maybe they remember that Obama supported Jim Webb's updated GI bill, which McCain opposed. Or maybe they just remember that Obama wants to either send them to Afghanistan, the real center of the war against terror, or bring them home, rather than having them police a civil war that we can't resolve, in a country that didn't attack us, that we should never have invaded.

And by the way -- that basketball thing? He was just playing around with the troops -- no media present. It was the Army that taped him and released it later. You want to complain, talk to them.

Last question:

"Is Obama worthy of the position of command of our sons and daughters?"

Yes. He won't send them into war on the basis of lies, or for oil. He will fight only if necessary to defend our country and our allies, and to retaliate against those who attack us (as Iraq did not). And he will take care of the troops, as Bush has not and McCain doesn't seem to want to any more.

Posted by: Fiona | July 29, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Would John mcCain self proclaimed WAR Hero... drop to his knees and put one in his JAW to save the USA and Israel from a Terrorist attack?

Posted by: don | July 29, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain is disgrace to real war veterans. He should know better than to use this as a political football. There have been many other people who have served during Vietnam and other conflicts and in both Houses of Congress on both sides of the aisle but no one else has used it so much in order to leverage an election for their personal advantage. Republicans like to think of the themsleves the party of patriotism which is supposed to be the uniting idea of a nation, however they seem to use it as a dividing rod of for every recent election. When will people realize this "we love our country/vets more than you" arguement is moot when the overall objective is peace with others.Vets of WW2 are different from all other Vets, their cause was of clear and present danger. Since then we as a nation moved from defensive to "pre-emptive" thus our lack of any resounding "victory" since then. Americans will quickly fight for a "just" cause and no matter how you would like to paint it since Vietnam we have not had a real "just" cause. The politicians will tell you it was as they fold the flag and give it to some grieving mother but can we honestly say that Johnny dying in Iraq for the liberation of the Iraqi people really changes anything about how we live our lives here in America? Or even if we ever do capture or kill binLaden will we all of sudden breathe a collective sigh of relief and get rid of all the wire tapping, long lines at airports, bring toothpaste or a bottle of water on board. 9/11 was a defining moment in American history but will we allow it to forever define us as Americans? Are we not more than a bunch of flag waving, lapel pin, yellow ribbon wearing cowards who live in fear of the "different"? The media and some political narcissist seem to think so. The war on terror is the war du jour created by the powers that be. Persons who were their religious affiliation as shield to defend against the atrocities they commit are only playing a psychological trick on themsleves in order not to see the true horror of what is really it is-uncontrollable fear.

Posted by: Irony | July 29, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

T Johnson- Nice TRY! :-(

Racists? OVER 80% of People of Color, support Barack Hussein, BECAUSE he is a Person of Color Alone!

Want to look for "Racism"?

Try THERE!

I only have a Problem with the Most Liberal Senator's lack of QUALIFICATIONS, PROMOTERS, and SOCIALISTIC AGENDA!

IF, McAmnesty does not get Mitt Romney on board and chooses his Boot-Licking Pawlenty;

I want Mitt Romney to grab Alan Keyes for his VP, and win with ALL the Conservative's Support!

Something the RINO has LOST!

BOB- You are showing your ignorance! Not, McCain's.

You think McAmnesty was wrong when he said Iran was arming, and training Sunni's just because THEY are Shia?

They seem to have ZERO Qualms about helping HAMAS!-or, Fatah!

Earth to BOB-They are SUNNI! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT-The | July 29, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

What is "the small, protective press pool that now accompanies Obama most places"? "Protective"? Is that a term of art? An editorial aside? Bad diction? Is this press pool protecting him from other reporters? Land sharks?

Posted by: Igor | July 29, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Jackboot Johnnie says:
"Time for all you DEMONcrats to stop and think about your unpatriotic support for this great land. A vote for Barry Hussein Osama is a vote for communism and camel jockeys. A vote for John McCain is a vote for America and God."

I'll take the communism and camel jockeys, thanks. Now excuse me while I go sip my latte, plan the exquisite destruction of American, and revel in the fact that my vote counts just as much as yours (maybe more so, because I actually always vote).

Posted by: Another latte sipping America hater | July 29, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

It seems as though John McCain continues to his trade as a nefarious liar the same way he escaped the Keating five episode. This man took plane trips on Keatings personal Jet and vacationed at Keating's place in the caribbean yaer after year without paying and only when the scandal broke remembered that he had forgotten to pay for those trips. A man without integrity is not suited for the office of POTUS.he is the one who is doing and saying any thing to be elected, even going into a supermarket to find out the price of groceries.Waht a shame!

Posted by: samiael | July 29, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I hate this liberal bias in the press. I mean they could have made the headline read "McCain's campaign claims called untruthful", but no, the headline reads "McCain accuses...", burying the info that McCain;s claim might actually be untruthful deeper in the article ...." Imagine such biased media coverage :)

Posted by: patriot | July 29, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I was in the service for 31 years. I also grew up on Navy bases. Over a lifetime in and around the military I've seen lots of VIP visits. Democrats usually look for issues that they can use to show that they care about the troops. They talk the talk, but stab the troops in the back at the first opportunity. They see military personnel as losers who can't get good jobs. The concept of service and honor are foreign to them. The Republicans, on the other hand genuinely seem to like the military personnel and do a far better job of working for them.

Posted by: Hairkilt | July 29, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Seems like there is only one candidate who is pimping out our brave men and women in uniform and who cares to use them for his own political mileage - and that is John McCain. You obvisiosly care more about getting yourself elected than the miltary. You've pandered your own story at every chance you get, even lying about the details to better fit the city you were in at the time. You voted against Jim Webb's Vetrans' Bill. The various vetrans groups give you a dismal rating of "D" for your voting record on military matters. But this latest ad has the most basest milking of the troops for your own sick and warped purposes. The audacity of your lies is astounding. You claim that Obama won't see the troops in your ad and that he would rather go to the gym while showing a picture of Obama playing Basketball with the Troops. Have you become so debauched in your mad pursuit of power that no lie won't drip off your tongue or have you become so senile that you actually believe your own lies. A McCain White House will be four more horrible years of lies and manipulation for self-serving goals!

Posted by: dre7861 | July 29, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Actually, questions abound about McCain's sanity, but the Washington Post is too polite to mention that.

Posted by: wardropper | July 29, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Please stop with your "this is why I don't like him" nonsense: This is a non-story being blown up into a "controversy" because McCain's goading Obama into going backfired, and his campaign is grasping at straws to find some flaw or gaffe they can tie to Obama's trip overseas. No media outlet is providing parity by also reporting that McCain did the exact same thing early in his campaign. CNN reported it when it happened, but now the Obama-loving media somehow is forgetting to mention it now, because it makes McCain look like a hypocrite. Clearly, talking about this non-issue has done exactly what the McCain campaign wanted it to do: take the focus off the issues (because McCain wasn't winning that argument) and grasp at straws, finding something -- anything -- to throw against the wall to see if it will stick. Shame on every one of you who actually think this is more important than the issues. The issues -- remember? The ones you so desperately wanted Obama to talk about. I guess since he's on top with that argument, now you want to return to character assassination. Congratulations on helping keep the electorate as dumbed-down as possible.

Posted by: ndo | July 29, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

John Boy and the Republicans chose to kill innocent people for oil contracts. McCain told you Republicans lied to you to get you to kill your children for wealthy oil contracts for Ray Hunt of Dallas and Dick Cheney of Casper and Runt from Crawford. These parasitic maggots are pigs and they hang a cross around their necks as if they have some connection with any Jesus, god or derivative thereof. If you are stupid enough to spend a billion a week so Repubican oil men can enrich themselves then vote for 72-year-old Mr. Magoo but never, never, never say you have a thing to do with patrotism or any allegiance to this nation. You intentionally allowed the man who murdered 3,000 Americans to drive us out of Saudi Arabia go free and then lied to make money. McCain is not going to win and this nation and the world will be a much better place for it. Back off Republicans. You've had your gangbang, now the lights are on, the police have arrived and you've runnoft to prison, not unlike Teddy!! Say Bye-Bye Teddy!!

Posted by: bob II | July 29, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Its obvious that the McCain camp suffers from the same affliction as Mr. McCain, bad judgement. Didnt they learn anything about Hillarys losing effort? It should be a prerequisite for entering any political campaign. When you make frivolous, negative attacks against your opponent, (without substance) you wind up losing. This story is a non story and an outright lie from the McCain camp. Its embarassing to watch McCain stoop this low. I guess they dont realize people are not as dumb as they think, because if I was a republican, I would be insulted that they have adopted a strategy doomed for failure. And they will fail. I used to have a lot of respect for McCain but I see him as a truly senile nitwhit who will do anything to get elected. Hes desperate and it really shows. The only thing he speaks about is always something negative about Obama. Its really getting tired. It would seem that at least one of his advisors could see what we all can see clearly and that is he is truly outmatched and up against a once in a lifetime opponent and when its all said and done, McCain will be relegated to answer in a trivia game. Obama is a good, decent Christian man who is exactly what this country needs at this time of our severely injured nation.

Posted by: Cufflynk | July 29, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Pardon me....but McCan't Remember the Jack.....has no policies, no substance, no nothing...he does what he is told...he hates women and womens' rights...he hates blacks, he hates himself.....because he falls for anything .....it's becomming quite obvious that he stands for absolutely NOTHING!! What a loser!!! McCanites....get a grip the old geezer needs to stop throwing slime before he gets slimed....He and the slimey current Prez who has raped American literally...

Posted by: GWB has killed America! | July 29, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

You have no idea how few people read this crap. Most don't read at all the just write.

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The wonderful thing about offering internet FEEDBACK opportunities is that it dissipates the energy of those who MIGHT have written a letter to the editor and reached thousands more with their viewpoint... or gone on a protest march and reached hundreds of thousands more.

The internet is the next best thing after television to make people feel like they're having their say but dissipating all the energy they might have channeled into true action that really brought change.

How many of you feel you've gotten a load off your shoulders just typing away on this FEEDBACK? Now you won't have to do a thing more to make our nation better - you can have dinner, watch the tellie, and rest in peaceful slumber.

That's what is making the American citizenry into one of the most unempowered on earth, quick to wring hands, but apparently helpless to bring about meaningful change.

Posted by: Think, people, think! | July 29, 2008 7:24 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

It is astounding and even horrifying the level of racist, anti-black white supremacist ignorance that is posted on this site. The depravity that is expressed here as political opinion is a disgrace to this country. There's something to be said for getting things out in the open so I am not against free speech, but the opinions here indicate a level of political immaturity and stupidity that must make other countries really laugh at us when we say we want to set examples on democracy, humanity, freedom, and blah blah blah. Think beyond the racist anger and releasing hatred into your computer people. Think globally and think into the future of what the world will come to look like if this foaming hatred is allowed to expand. What would the US become a Nazi camp, a return to slavery and the shameful histories it sanctioned? We cannot erase the shameful histories of America's prejudiced past--the ways those like Thomas Jefferson--a founding father sanctioned slavery; or the ways the Supreme Court upheld racism and slavery. But we can try to create better futures that show we have learned to be better from our pasts. Think people. For God's sake think.

Posted by: calm view | July 29, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

That one lone Obama adviser's presence,presented enough of a problem to him that Mr Obama was not bright enough to figure out what to do in order to overcome this awesome circumstance what makes you think he is so smart?

Posted by: Hammerhead | July 29, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

A local McCain ad tells us it's Obama's fault that gas prices are high.

Regarding the cancelled hospital visit, McCain had been saying that Obama didn't visit the hospital because the military told him not to, and that McCain would have not let the military stand in his way in that manner.

Now he's saying that Obama didn't visit the hospital because he couldn't bring his media entourage in with him.

Yesterday morning at breakfast, some guys at the next table were talking politics. One stated, "I only get my news from Fox; the rest of the media sources are too biased." Amazing!

A few years back I'd have just laughed on listening to this kind of baloney, but I've come to the realization that real people out there actually listen to this stuff - and they believe every word. This Republican manner of campaigning, this distorting and twisting of reality, is proving to be very effective. Millions of people just suck this stuff up and never question the source. It works - how sad.

Posted by: KenJr | July 29, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Its obvious that the McCain camp suffers from the same affliction as Mr. McCain, bad judgement. Didnt they learn anything about Hillarys losing effort? It should be a prerequisite for entering any political campaign. When you make frivolous, negative attacks against your opponent, (without substance) you wind up losing. This story is a non story and an outright lie from the McCain camp. Its embarassing to watch McCain stoop this low. I guess they dont realize people are not as dumb as they think, because if I was a republican, I would be insulted that they have adopted a strategy doomed for failure. And they will fail. I used to have a lot of respect for McCain but I see him as a truly senile nitwhit who will do anything to get elected. Hes desperate and it really shows. The only thing he speaks about is always something negative about Obama. Its really getting tired. It would seem that at least one of his advisors could see what we all can see clearly and that is he is truly outmatched and up against a once in a lifetime opponent and when its all said and done, McCain will be relegated to answer in a trivia game. Obama is a good, decent Christian man who is exactly what this country needs at this time of our severely injured nation.

Posted by: Cufflynk | July 29, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

The wonderful thing about offering internet FEEDBACK opportunities is that it dissipates the energy of those who MIGHT have written a letter to the editor and reached thousands more with their viewpoint... or gone on a protest march and reached hundreds of thousands more.

The internet is the next best thing after television to make people feel like they're having their say but dissipating all the energy they might have channeled into true action that really brought change.

How many of you feel you've gotten a load off your shoulders just typing away on this FEEDBACK? Now you won't have to do a thing more to make our nation better - you can have dinner, watch the tellie, and rest in peaceful slumber.

That's what is making the American citizenry into one of the most unempowered on earth, quick to wring hands, but apparently helpless to bring about meaningful change.

Posted by: Think, people, think! | July 29, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72 sounds like a WASP racist with no appreciation for anything African. By the way, your comment had nothing to do with the article. You and McCain seem to have similar thought processes.

Posted by: Observer | July 29, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

But if I just happen to think Obama is simply a slick politician saying what people want to hear to get votes does that mean I'm a racist? Just need some clarification because I keep hearing Obama supporters doing and saying things that are racist, anti-semetic, age discriminatory, etc..

Just a little confused about that since I want to make sure I'm with the open minded, free thinking crowd into unity and brotherhood...unless that's just a load of crap.

Posted by: Pardon me Obamaphiles | July 29, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

More slick slander from the Republicans and former "straight talker" John McCain. The Pentagon said the visit would be political. Obama decided he didn't want to involve the wounded troops in something political - and McCain, the guy who "loves the troops" made it about as political as you possibly could.

What a sleazy creep. McCain votes to send these guys into this situation for no good reason. Then he votes AGAINST increasing their education benefits. Now he has the cajones to lecture Barack Obama about respecting wounded soldiers.

Posted by: Chuck | July 29, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama drew over 200,000 people to listen to his speech in Berlin. This is in comparison to 40,000 for President Reagan and 120,000 for President Kennedy for their speeches in that city.

This scale of support speaks to the need the world has for a renewed moral American leadership and partnership on the world stage.

Senator Obama made us all proud in how he handled himself throughout each stop and how presented himself as a "proud citizen of the United States" on the world stage.

Posted by: Tom Sheers | July 29, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be funny come November, when the bigots and racists will have to deal with having a half-black man with a strange name as their president...they'll whine about it for a few minutes, then go back to their nachos and TV and everything will be okay...

Posted by: Spiro Agnew | July 29, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

COMMENT: "Time for all you DEMONcrats to stop and think about your unpatriotic support for this great land."

REPLY: Nothing changes for the better unless prople criticize what is imperfect and shoot for the dream. By definition, a 'Conservative' is someone who doesn't make a move until things really get out of hand.

End of statement.

Posted by: TRUTH | July 29, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Straight Talk Express
Under stress and duress
Goes straight to press
Buttressing it's mood depress

Posted by: mouli | July 29, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

The average number of years of expected life remaining for male who is 72 years old now is 10.8 years. That is according to life expectancy tables, compiled from information published by the Office of the Actuary of the Social Security Administration (see http://www.annuityadvantage.com/lifeexpectancy.htm ).

Posted by: DJake | July 29, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

This is my dilemma.

As already pointed out, I know that white supremists are lurking alongside me as a McCain supporter. I am not a racist, in fact I would have loved to see Alberto Gonzalez, Colin Powell or Condolezza Rice run for office and would have supported each and every one of them wholeheartedly.

However it is also clear that this year, I have the white supremists on my side, spouting out their anti-Barack Obama venom in more subtle and creative ways. Because of those *%$*##*, people are lumping me in with those despicable devils even though I'm not racist.

Question: How to we, those in favor of John McCain, rid our masses of the neo-Nazi and white supremists types who are supporting our viewpoint?

Thanks for any suggestions anyone might have!

Posted by: T Johnson | July 29, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse


Why not end this silly discussion---about as significant as the Kennedy-Nixon conflict over Quemoy and Matsu in 1960---by McCain's going to Germany and asking the wounded military if (1) they are worse off than they were two weeks ago, (2) if his visit---without cameras, staff, flak jacket and Petraeus---makes them feel any better and (3) if they're as pleased as he says they are that he helped start the war that's disabled them?

Posted by: Jack Conway | July 29, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, NBC's Andrea Mitchell, no Obama fan, basically has said that the McCain crowd is full of crap. The press knew they would not be going to any US military hospital. Newsweek's Jonathon Alter said the same, almost calling McCain a liar. So much for McShame's straight-talk, clean campaign express. He's a phony. BTW, the picture they used of Obama playing basketball instead of visiting the troops was taken with troops in their gym. And he also vivited troops and wounded in Iraq. More lies from republicans. Like that never happens.

Posted by: mike lawler | July 29, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I saw this image of her eating a pork sandwich and I was aghast at the prospect of her entertaining in the White House.

Posted by: Dianne72 | July 29, 2008 7:04 PM

Finally, a hardcore right winger admits that Michelle Obama ISN'T Muslim. Else she wouldn't be eating a pork sandwich.

Seriously, that has to be the weakest talking point ever. Nobody is going to pass on voting for Barack because of his wife. Try again.

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Could anybody possibly care LESS about the troops than G. W. Bush? Well there's little reason to believe that McBush will be any better.

Posted by: Brent Mack | July 29, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I pity the poor Republicans grasping desperately to try and erase the great job Senator Obama did in managing a first rate visit with foreign leaders and our troops on the battle fronts.

When was the last time the mumbling and sometimes dissembling "maverick" managed himself as well on the world stage? Someone help him with who the Sunnis and Shiites are (and also where Afghanistan is and that Czechoslovakia is no longer a country) before we accept his foreign policy credentials.

Posted by: Bob | July 29, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing is just a case of American politics rolling around in the gutter, as usual.

Obama saw plenty of troops on his trip and the way he handled the visit to troops in Germany after what was in effect a pentagon "snub", was perfectly appropriate. Any reasonable person understands that.

Someone high up in GOP circles has told the McCain camp that it's over unless he unleashes a sleaze machine at Obama.

The McCain camp is being advised to tap into that vast "sea of ignorance" that
has been the essential life blood, the very fuel - of the present administration.
The sea is vast and the GOP is THE expert charter captain.

The McCain camp has taken that advice to heart, boys and girls. Break out your goggles, boots and nose plugs. It's going to get stinky for a while.

Just another day in American politics.

Posted by: M. Tolliver | July 29, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Y'know.....McCain is making Obama look like he is runny a squeaky clean campaign with all these attacks!!!!!

Obama could bring up the Keating 5, McCains funds coming from criminals (Craig Berkman from oregon), his strong disapproval and quest to deny MLK jr. day a holiday, his campaign advisors working as lobbyist for rich domestic and overseas companies etc.....

Posted by: Oregon4Obama | July 29, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse


Why not end this silly discussion---about as significant as the Kennedy-Nixon conflict over Quemoy and Matsu in 1960---by McCain's going to Germany and asking the wounded military if (1) they are worse off than they were two weeks ago, (2) if his visit---without cameras, staff, flak jacket and Petraeus---makes them feel any better and (3) if they're as pleased as he says they are that he helped start the war that's disabled them?

Posted by: Teddy White | July 29, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

And what's with the Stepin Fetchit slur typing this afternoon? Are you idiots insane? Barack Obama sounds like an elocution professor next to mumble-mouth McCain. I'd love to see you clowns outside of the anonymity of the internet -- is this the example you set to your children, or are you children? You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Posted by: straight talk my a** | July 29, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72.....you couldn't measure up to the dung of Michelle Obama's shoe....stop hating on an intelligent, educated, beautiful strong black female who wouldn't hesitate to check your a$$ and put your pathetic rethug views in place!

Michelle wouldn't waste her time arguing with an idiot. She has an election to help her man win! ROTFLMAO!!

Posted by: We luv you Michelle OBAMA | July 29, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

This just in: Obama didn't visit the Artic last week so Obama obviously approves of clubbing baby seals.

Posted by: Rodney | July 29, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I thought McCain was going to run an honorable campaign. There is not much that can be done about swift boat type liars but the lies and innuendo from the McCain campaign are disturbing. I guess for McCain winning the presidency is more important than honor.

Posted by: birdman | July 29, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I have reason to believe that Obama sincerely cares for our troops, as well as their families, moreso than McCain. Obama need not play face for anybody. For some reason, I feel as though that would be someething that McCain would do; make a visit, just to make a visit and say that he has done so. Present or not present, I have reason to believe he cares about these people. Perhaps he doesn't want to be seen as "playing face" for such significant beings who have served our country. For that, I commend Obama for doing what he felt was right, and not playing the role of a puppet, because McCain and his campaign wants to toss such accusations. That is a low blow. I would not have imagined McCain would have stooped that far.

Posted by: Obama2008 | July 29, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

10 to 1 these same folks attacking Obama for not visiting the troops in Germany would have jumped all over him if he had visited them, criticizing him for trying to use them as props for his campaign. That's called hypocrisy. Something that's pretty typical where the GOP is concerned. Obama is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Posted by: Dick Nixon | July 29, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72...stop acting like a hater, 'cause you will never measure up. That's what is driving McCain crazy...he couldn't measure up to his own foreign visits in the same as his opponent.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

This is the biggest non-story story of the year. Dishonest and desperate isn't a great look Sen. McCain.

Posted by: straight talk my a** | July 29, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

SHEAR pro-Obama organ grinder dance lacks Ballz. These guys had this mush typed & ready for upload befo' Mr.O's plane evah' left the US.

Posted by: WILL GRASSO | July 29, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

JakeD is just a jilted Hillary supporter.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

McSame ol' McSame ol GOP electioneering tactics. I believe Mr. McCain and Mr. Rove will find their gambit blowing up in their faces. Obama is not just another lame, dopey, gutless Democrat. He's a hell of a lot smarter than most of those losers, and he's well aware of the contrast between his calm and gracious demeanor and the spittle-flecked invective of the crazed and contemptible McCain..

Posted by: Helena Montana | July 29, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Time for all you DEMONcrats to stop and think about your unpatriotic support for this great land. A vote for Barry Hussein Osama is a vote for communism and camel jockeys. A vote for John McCain is a vote for America and God.

Posted by: Jackboot Johnnie | July 29, 2008 6:54 PM

I wish they'd stop giving internet access in jail to that delusional murderer down in Knoxville.

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse


Arizona Sen. John McCain hit San Francisco tonight for a major fundraiser.

The full report from pool reporter Josh Richman of the Oakland Tribune just hit, and here's some excerpts detailing what he saw:

"Contributors began gathering beneath the crystal chandeliers of the Fairmont Hotel's Gold Room -- an ornate, French Provincial-styled ballroom -- at around 6:30 p.m.

The drinks: California wines, Mountain View Vintners Chardonnay and Cabernet Sauvignon, and a Gloria Ferrer sparkling wine.

The food: hor's d'oeuvres including ahi tuna tartare, chicken sate skewers, bruschetta, crab cakes and local artisanal cheeses."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/logout?blogid=14&entry_id=28608


Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 29, 2008 5:33 PM

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John McCain made a press stop in Missouri at a little family-owned roadside stand to eat a Corn Dog just last week! He is a man of the people, not an elitist as this fund raiser's hor's d'oeuvres menu would indicate!

More Corn Dogs John! More Corn Dogs!

Posted by: Fox News reporting... | July 29, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

What a hoot. Go down through the comments here and see just how many partisan pro-McCain types jumped on the story in blind, robotic fashion, without even questioning whether the story (the Obama cancelled the trip because he couldn't make it into a media event) was true.

Similarly, scan around the internet and look at how many partisan pro-OBAMA types keep harping about how a McCain presidency would be 4 more years of Bush, when it doesn't take more than a peanut brain to see how substantially different McCain's political decisions have been to Bush's liking - a source of great unhappiness by Bush against McCain.

THIS is what the American electorate is mostly made up of - mindless zombies repeating the latest from 'their side of the corner' without ever trying to analyze, critically compare, or contemplate.

But thank God this election, more than the average, will be decided by relatively non-partisan independents who DO think and DO compare. Sadly, there aren't many of them on this board... or any other internet comment board.

Posted by: Snicker-Doodle | July 29, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain seems to think he can lie his way into the presidency. Typical Republican garbage from a typical Republican scumbag.

Posted by: tom | July 29, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

While Obama is out meeting with world and economic leaders to refine his strategies for rescuing this country from 8 catastrophic years of republican corruption and incompetence, all McBush can do is snipe at Obama's feet and slander him.

Gramps McBush is a senile disgrace who should be put out to pasture, or at least a golf course.

Posted by: poggy | July 29, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain shows once more that he has no qualms about stepping down to the lowest rung on the political ladder of cheap attacks in order to advance his candidacy. This move really does smack of desperation.

Posted by: Guy B. Jones | July 29, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

What a hoot. Go down through the comments here and see just how many partisan pro-McCain types jumped on the story in blind, robotic fashion, without even questioning whether the story (the Obama cancelled the trip because he couldn't make it into a media event) was true. Similarly, scan around the internet and look at how many partisan pro-Obama types keep harping about how a McCain presidency would be 4 more years of Bush, when it doesn't take more than a peanut brain to see how substantially different McCain's political decisions have been to Bush's liking - a source of great unhappiness by Bush against McCain.

THIS is what the American electorate is mostly made up of - mindless zombies repeating the latest from 'their side of the corner' without ever trying to analyse, critically compare, or contemplate.

But thank God this election, more than the average, will be decided by relatively non-partisan independents who DO think and DO compare. Sadly, there aren't many of them on this board... or any other internet comment board.

Posted by: Snicker-Doodle | July 29, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Agreed errin. The neo-cons like Bush are a lot to blame but the democrats have capitalized on it and also have been successful in fooling most americans republicans are solely at fault. I'm with ya on the middle also; the balance of conservative and liberal is needed in my opinion. Democrats will gain more seats in congress but it is unlikely them pushing another far left liberal for president will work but who knows.

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious, really. Im LMAO that the RNC and McCant have to stoop to made up bullpoop to get into the press.Dont ya see, junior repubs, nobody wants an old , washed up has been for president.
Obama doesnt need big crowds, they just show up when they hear his name.And obviously, with the poor treatment and poor conditions the REPUGNANT Republic administration had allowed our troops to live under, Im sure the Pentagon didnt want 10 thousand people showing up to catch a glimpse of Obama at a makeshift facility.
As for the straw grab from McCant, it doesnt surprise me.When your old as dirt, worn from being in politics way too long, and have spent as much energy Flip Flopping as Johhny has, a cheap shot in the dark like this will become standard practice for his campaign.Sad, but true

Posted by: Mullett | July 29, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain and his campaign are pitiful.

Posted by: MMDE | July 29, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

A vote for McCan't Remember Jack is a vote for 100 years in Iraq, 100 years in Iran, Afganistan. He$$ we'll be fighting for the next 100 years because some old fart who is an under cover coward, who treats women like crap is fixated on bringing. back the Vietnam war. He continues to tell Americans that we are "psychologically hurting" because he doesn't know zilch about economics and finance. He a complete idiot. I repeat McCan't Remember is a complete idiot. All you have to do is pay slight attention to his moronic campaign. All the money that the rethugs have raped the American people for hasn't gotten those fools an ounce of dignity, respect, intelligence or a slitter of commen sense. I can't wait to see the dumbest Prez ever hitch up his mule and the golden vault of money they have stolen from the American people and ride his hide back to Texas! Hee Haw...Dummie!!!

Posted by: Bye GWB | July 29, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

First, the campaign ad is more than disingenuous, it's dishonest. The crack about him going to a gym doesn't bother to note that the gym was full of military personnel with whom he visited;
Second, on Sunday's Face the Nation, Sens. Hagel and Reed, who accompanied Obama on the Middle Eastern portion of the trip noted how he'd visited wounded soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and called the McCain ad inappropriate and inaccurate;
Finally, in trying to portray McCain as a steadfast supporter of the troops, the McCain campaign has apparently forgotten Saint Senator McCain's votes to: table a funding bill for better body armor, table a bill to increase funding for veterans outreach services, table a bill to expand veterans health care, deny expanding leave after deployment to a time period equalling the deployment, and against the recent Webb bill to expand GI benefits.

McCain, alleged man of principle, has proven to be as mealy mouthed as his chief surrogate, Sen Joe Liebermealymouth.

Posted by: bklyndan | July 29, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

You're right Errin. The dems let everything tank so they could fool the public into believing that it's the republicans fault and get voted in more in 2008. Yeah that's a real party to vote for. I have to admit its smart though since most people are too dumb to see through the ruse. How else could liberal nutjobs get into office and enact socialism unless they have free reign.

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 6:47 PM

I agree, but shouldn't the GOP be held accountable too? My point is that with our two-party system, failed Republican politics lead to more Democrats in power. The Dems know this... they've spent the last 8 years giving their opposition enough rope to hang themselves with. Railing against liberals isn't enough... it needs to be recognized that conservatives that fail in office also facilitate liberals getting into office. If you truly dislike Democrats, then Republican politicians must be kept in line, else this country takes a huge shift to the left. I'd prefer it stayed in the middle, but that won't be the case come November of this year. Way to go, Karl Rove and George W Bush. I hope from now on, the conservative base does a better job of keeping it's politicians in check and on point.

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain is desperate and a liar. This is fact. I'm pleased that the press isn't even bothering to entertain his false accusations...they call his b.s. right on the spot. He's too dumb to even be clever about his lies.

Its true that McCain is the more experienced candidate...more experienced at making bad decisions, dumping his wife for sugar mamas, and cozying up to big oil. What a sad, pathetic candidate.

Posted by: SWB | July 29, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

JOHN MCCAIN, TRADER TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.
Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing is just a case of American politics rolling around in the gutter, as usual.

Obama saw plenty of troops on his trip and the way he handled the visit to troops in Germany after what was in effect a pentagon "snub", was perfectly appropriate. Any reasonable person understands that.

Someone high up in GOP circles has told the McCain camp that it's over unless he unleashes a sleaze machine at Obama.

The McCain camp is being advised to tap into that vast "sea of ignorance" that
has been the essential life blood, the very fuel - of the present administration.
The sea is vast and the GOP is the expert charter captain.

The McCain camp has taken that advice to heart, boys and girls. Break out your goggles, boots and nose plugs. It's going to get stinky for a while.

Just another day in American politics.

Posted by: M. Tolliver | July 29, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

So McAlzheimers is going to lie and say anything to try to get elected. How is this different from Bush and the rest of the GOP?

Posted by: Checkered.1 | July 29, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

The biggest flip flop in history is the leftists view of McCain. Before the primaries - it was John the sage. John the Maverick. John the pain in Bush's as%.

Now he is Bush III.

Too funny.

But then when your boy is a small time race hustler with zero credentials - except for being involved with vote riggers - I guess you get a bit defensive - don't you?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

One thing made clear by this hospital scandal wannabe is that McCain doesn't have a grasp of the facts or he now runs a Bush-like campaign that disregards facts. It was nice of McCain to continue to remind voters of the injured soldiers from the needless useless war that the GOP created.

Posted by: Rodney | July 29, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

With phrases like "camel jockies" it seems you are aiming for the bottom of the barrel with McCain.

Posted by: KRISSY | July 29, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid McCain is showing signs of Alzheimer's.

Posted by: delfinajones | July 29, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Was this not the day when the results of the new McCain cancer biopsy were going to be released? Is there a reason for the delay?

Posted by: Bodo | July 29, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Time for all you DEMONcrats to stop and think about your unpatriotic support for this great land. A vote for Barry Hussein Osama is a vote for communism and camel jockeys. A vote for John McCain is a vote for America and God.

Posted by: Jackboot Johnnie | July 29, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

michael4:

Of course not, but I am trying to find SOME common ground at least -- I was mentioning that "fact" because your first post claimed I failed to post any -- we just obviously disagree on the most likely reason WHY Obama canceled his visit. No hard feelings though.

Honeymoon's Over Barack:

Good points.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:20 PM
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Hog snot. You're "likely reason why" can be true only if Obama (et al) are liars. You refuse to take him at his word, and the word of anyone who knows. That hardly engenders warm and fuzzy feelings. Your diatribes are inaccurate, untruthful. I would prefer rational options to mindless arguments. We need them.

Posted by: michael4 | July 29, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain is really aiming for the bottom of the barrel with this. I can't believe the level to which his campaign has sunk. To think I actually used to have some respect for the guy!

Obama visited troops earlier that week with out the media!!! McCain has no point.

Posted by: KRISSY | July 29, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what Mc-Pain has to say anyway/?

Posted by: pekopper | July 29, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

One second, JakeD is asking me to throw the next 'canard' at him. The next second, he is saying he must go off to work. Guess he didn't like being confronted about aping Bill O'Reilly's line about being a registered Independent, not a Republican. What a paper tiger he turned out to be. If you are going to challenge me to throw 'canards' at you, don't run away when I follow through.

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

McCant Remeber the Truth couldn't even keep his retarded a$$ balance in the supermarket. The fool was falling over the groceries and the shoppers. He looked like a comple jacka$$ all the while Obama looked like the new Prez of the U.S.A. across the world. The world is welcomming him, the troops abroad welcomes his candidacy. Huge difference than McCain's trips abroad. He looked like an old, retarded fool who couldn't get jack straight. Heck, half of the time he couldn't remember where he was at? His campaign and Lieberman had to keep smacking common sense into the old fart's head...He looked like a complete idiot abroad. McBush and McCan't Remember....dumb and dumber....ROTFLMAO

Posted by: McCant Remember the Truth! | July 29, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN'S people are truly getting desperate...False charges, distortions and innuendo. Welcome to Republican politics...
Notice however, that the more interested in this story is the media...what the American people really care about is what the president will do with these soldiers...
Will it be better to condemn our troops to be in Iraq for a 100 years then?

Posted by: LES | July 29, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Shorter McCain spokesman: "Yeah, we're a bunch of dishonorable liars but hey, we're just raising doubts and all."

Posted by: Elrod | July 29, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

On a similar note, it is kind of laughable that John McCain has suddenly become Satan in the eyes of the left, as if winning the Republican nomination instantly made him the worst person in the world. The guy is simply old news trying desperately to fight a losing electoral battle with Barack Obama. Lighten up a little with the villification of McCain... it's far too Rovian for the left to engage in. Being pro-Obama will get your guy quicker into the White House than being anti-McCain.

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain's campaign is imploding before our eyes, and these smears, insinuations, and fabrications are his last resort. It's a far, far cry from his previous pledge to keep it civil, which we can now see was insincere.

Want to see how American veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan rate the voting records of McCain and Obama? Here's what THE TROOPS think about who is doing a better job looking out for them:
Obama rates a B+, but McCain gets a D.

http://www.iava.org/full-ratings-list

IAVA is America's largest nonprofit, non-partisan advocacy group.

Posted by: CeadarSeat | July 29, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

You're right Errin. The dems let everything tank so they could fool the public into believing that it's the republicans fault and get voted in more in 2008. Yeah that's a real party to vote for. I have to admit its smart though since most people are too dumb to see through the ruse. How else could liberal nutjobs get into office and enact socialism unless they have free reign.

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Ohhh, LOL!

Barry, has gone and gotten Litigical on McAmnesty!

Poor O'Bombanation is feeling "Slandered"!

McAmnesty can't PROOVE My Entourage was going to be getting off the Plane(s), after they were scheduled to FLY THERE!

WEAK!!!!!

Truth-Barack Hussein, DISAPPROVED of REMOVING Saddam HUSSEIN! HE,Probably HATES the Noble Volunteers who FREED the Iraqi's from the Butcher of Baghdad!

HUSSEINS stand TOGETHER! ;~)

How DARE those Troops expect Sympathy and Support for taking part in Saddam HUSSEIN'S Fall from Power, and his DEATH!

Barry HUSSEIN was AGAINST IT ALL ALONG!

STILL IS!!!! ;-(

IF, it was up to Barack HUSSEIN, Saddam HUSSEIN would STILL OWN Iraq!

Can't quite imagine why al-Malarkey wanted to do anything but SPIT on Barry Personally! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | July 29, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Why does Obama Superstar shrink from meeting ordinary wounded soldiers at Landstuhl hospital and ordinary citizens at town hall meetings?

Why does Obama require mega-crowds and lots of distance?

Why do we never see Obama light up a Kool?

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Good point dems took over congress and since then we've seen very little legislation made, gas prices double and the economy go in the tank. Good job dems!!!

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 6:39 PM

Very good job, actually. They kept everything from 2006 on the table so that they could win even bigger in 2008. Maybe you shouldn't be so complimentary of the way Rahm Emmanual and Chuck Shumer have set up the GOP for another losing election season. As long as the Republicans in Congress remain more unpopular than the Democrats in Congress, the Democrats will win at the voting booth come November. Just you watch.

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain and the Repubs are theives, liars, cowards, racists, biggots, who threatened the American society with guns, gays and abortion. They are stupid, un-intelligent and most of them are either drunks or drug addicts. Just ask GWB (the dumbest and drunkest Prez, ever) and Rehab, Cindy McCain. When you compare the McCain campaign to Obama's campaign, you begin to wonder if McCain and his campaign are smoking crack...somethings definitely wrong with them. They are pathetic..If i were a rethug, I would be at my wits end with those idiodic morons! No wonder America looks like absolute jacka$$ during the Rethugs administration....we look like absolute fools...and to think that some idiots are ready to place another fool like McCant Remember Sh$t back in the White House just furiates me!

Posted by: McCant Remember the Truth! | July 29, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow.. I really love this acrimony and verbal assault stuff... better here than on the street.

McCain = old, slow, flip-flopper supreme

Obama = vibrant, active, solid platform

I PICK OBAMA...by 6.5 percentage points overall in November.

Posted by: Hoosurdaddy | July 29, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

What we're seeing is a preview of a McCain presidency if he wins the election. Misrepresentation, distortion, falsification and attack. How can we trust this man who is so out of touch with truth and decency? We cannot continue to run our country this way. Sadly, these tactics have worked for the Republicans and this man could become president. It would be, I think, an example of the worst of which we are capable. Please work hard and donate all you can. This Repugnant Thug must not be allowed in the White House.

Posted by: GaryL1 | July 29, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

If Gration was the issue, why not go and not take Gration? Do you need a military advisor to visit a hospital? I think not.

Posted by: cynical1 | July 29, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Good point dems took over congress and since then we've seen very little legislation made, gas prices double and the economy go in the tank. Good job dems!!!

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 6:39 PM


Oh gosh what am I thinking. I mean we had Roger Clemens being grilled in Congress that was really meaningful and we've had lots of "republicans are bad" political posturing. I guess those dems got a lot done talking to Roger Clemens and with saying republicans are bad.

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, I think you could be a better person that you exhibit here day after day. I get it, you don't like Barack Obama, you'd prefer Bush III. But you peddle filth on behalf of an adulterous, slandering, arrogant, self-righteous, angry man who tells rape jokes, called his wife a disgusting name in anger in public and lies about a better man. You like to pretend that you are somehow open minded, but I've never seen you criticize McCain ever, and no open minded person could manage to avoid that. If you think this is accruing in some Heaven somewhere, you must own a different copy of the Gospels than I do.

As for your fellow McCainiacs below, you know the blatant klan members, I will judge you by the company you keep. I've never seen you call them out, so you must agree.

Posted by: The Gator | July 29, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain is vile. The respect I had for him at the start of the campaign has completely dissipated.

I'm not sure what is more despicable, McCain who blatantly lies or the flaks in the media (and on this web board) who parrot his talking points.

Posted by: Steven | July 29, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Here come de Swift Boat of Truth!

Obama planned to visit those wounded US troops at Landstuhl Military Hospital.

No one told Obama that he couldn't visit, only that he couldn't bring campaign personnel.

Obama vetoed the visit.

And dat's de Swift Boat honest troof, honey!

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesnt know whats up or dow, and cant keep his story straight or his positions clear...

National Security Policy

1. McCain thought Bush's warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

2. McCain insisted that everyone, even "terrible killers," "the worst kind of scum of humanity," and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, "deserve to have some adjudication of their cases," even if that means "releasing some of them." McCain now believes the opposite.

3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.

6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He's since come to the opposite conclusion.

Foreign Policy

7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it. Now, he's for it again.

8. McCain supported moving "towards normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

11. McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.

Military Policy

14. McCain recently claimed that he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."

15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea.

16. McCain was against additional U.S. forces in Afghanistan before he was for it.

17. McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."

18. McCain has repeatedly said it's a dangerous mistake to tell the "enemy" when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.

19. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.

20. McCain staunchly opposed Obama's Iraq withdrawal timetable, and even blasted Mitt Romney for having referenced the word during the GOP primaries. In July, after Iraqi officials endorsed Obama's policy, McCain said a 16-month calendar sounds like "a pretty good timetable."

Domestic Policy

21. McCain defended "privatizing" Social Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

22. On Social Security, McCain said he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Soon after, asked about a possible increase in the payroll tax, McCain said there's "nothing that's off the table."

23. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn't.

24. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

25. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

26. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

27. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

28. McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting "irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

29. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

30. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

31. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.

32. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

33. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.

34. And on gay adoption, McCain initially said he'd rather let orphans go without families, then his campaign reversed course, and soon after, McCain reversed back.

35. In the Senate, McCain opposed a variety of measures on equal pay for women, and endorsed the Supreme Court's Ledbetter decision. In July, however, McCain said, "I'm committed to making sure that there's equal pay for equal work. That ... is my record and you can count on it."

36. McCain was against fully funding the No Child Left Behind Act before he was for it.

37. McCain was for affirmative action before he was against it.

Economic Policy

38. McCain was against Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.

39. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated," and "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a "very strong" understanding of economics.

40. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.

41. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were "too tilted to the wealthy." By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

42. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

43. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a "'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes."

44. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.

45. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.

Energy Policy

46. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he's against it.

47. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

48. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary.

49. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.

50. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn't.

51. McCain was for national auto emissions standards before he was against them.

Immigration Policy

52. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. In 2007, he announced his opposition to the bill. In 2008, McCain switched back.

53. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.

54. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders "before proceeding to other reform measures." Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he'd never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his "top priority."

Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law

55. McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite.

56. McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

57. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

58 In June, McCain rejected the idea of a trial for Osama bin Laden, and thought Obama's reference to Nuremberg was a misread of history. A month later, McCain argued the exact opposite position.

Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform

59. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn't.

60. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

61. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

Politics and Associations

62. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn't. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.)

63. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn't.

64. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004.

65. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

66. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks.

67. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

68. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

69. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn't want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he "would taint the image of the 'Straight Talk Express.'" Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

70. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was "corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff's gay lover." McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.

71. McCain was for presidential candidates giving speeches in foreign countries before he was against it.

Posted by: taihunter | July 29, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey DaTourist. What kinda dope are you taking? The same as Cindy McSleeze? He skipped the hospital because he didn't want to intrude. Do you really think he did it because he couldn't drag the Press in there with him? That he didn't get enough coverage when he spoke in Berlin. What a foll you are.

Posted by: Hoosudaddy | July 29, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, libbies, let's just engage in an energetic debate of the issue!

Explain it to me one more time!

Why did Obama bug out on his planned visit to the wounded US troops at Landstuhl military hospital, and why was bailing out a good thing?

I am listening. Not all at once now.

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:38 PM

Certainly you can figure it out for yourself, what with being so rational and unbiased.

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Why can't we talk about something with substance? Let's take a look at Senator Obama's legislative accomplishments, and then discuss them. I'll put up all of them that I know about in the next post.

Posted by: Thank You | July 29, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Real war veterans don't like to harp about their service or use it as focal point of discussion.

Posted by: Irony | July 29, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The fact that the photo used to smear Obama is a picture of him playing with the troops says it all. McCain can not win on the issues so he has to bring the dirt and slime. Obama needs to quit referring to him as honorable and call him what he really is, a mean old man who will say and do anything to get his shot at what he wants. Any man who calls his wife a cnt does not have the temperment for the presidency.

Posted by: robbe p | July 29, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"For two, how did you predict 2006? Did you see it for the sweep it was going to be? The Dems took over the House and the Senate, and not a single one of their incumbents lost. Not even Joe Lieberman!"

Good point dems took over congress and since then we've seen very little legislation made, gas prices double and the economy go in the tank. Good job dems!!!

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I really should get back to work...

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:35 PM

Well, that was a quick exchange. I guess you just didn't want to cop to the fact that you are a FOXnews watching, Bill O'Reilly fan. Cut n run, I mean, get back to work. Thanks for being such an asset to the Obama campaign. : )

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Here is the bottom line:

Has Obama gone anywhere or done anything without his entourage of adoring media friends? No.


Did Obama take time to visit the troops? No.

Did Obama take time to play basketball for his idolizing coterie? Yes.

Is Obama worthy of the position of command of our sons and daughters?

Hel% No.

Full stop.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

The "Swift Boats" have been launched again.

Republicans have been scraping the barnacles off the armada and will be floating them out on a weekly basis.

News Flash... Large segment of US population has no ability to discern BS when they hear it.

Posted by: Rocketjs | July 29, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain is the greatest gift to the Democrats! He is old, married to a bimbo whose father was a mobbed-up beer salesman, divorced, a techno-dummy, and has the personality of a rottweiler in heat.

WHat's not to love about the GOPs choice? Thank you, thank you, thank you!

VOTE FOR OBAMA

Posted by: Hoosurdaddy | July 29, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Well, libbies, let's just engage in an energetic debate of the issue!

Explain it to me one more time!

Why did Obama bug out on his planned visit to the wounded US troops at Landstuhl military hospital, and why was bailing out a good thing?

I am listening. Not all at once now.

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you 100% Connie. And just for the record, Senator Obama we still got 'YO' back....!!!!

Posted by: Tracy | July 29, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Those who think McCain has a chance at winning the presidency this year need to point out a single time in American political history that a president as unpopular as George W Bush was followed by another president from the same party. It just doesn't happen, because the swing voters decide elections, and they mainly choose the lesser of two evils. McCain will lose because of an albatross around his neck by the name of George W Bush. Barack Obama willbe the next president of the United States because people want to get as far away from the failed Bush years as possible. McCain doesn't have a chance.

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I really should get back to work...

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Who will say and do anything.

Posted by: McCain the Liar | July 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

............and this is what passes for news?

Posted by: azccpousn | July 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

At his embarrassing worst, Bill Clinton had to be accompanied to military parades by specially selected military personnel to see that no embarrassing confrontations occurred.

Obama's more embarrassing than Bill Clinton.

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to the Washington Post! If it weren't for their maintaining a round the clock blogger team to defend Senator Obama, people would be getting their news straight, without the vital bias that they need to understand the issues the right way, Obama's way. This story is a perfect example: Obama has said he didn't have a political agenda in cancelling that trip. Why can't the republicans get that: Obama said he didn't have an agenda. Why would anyone in their right minds need more than his word for it? I hope some day people look back on this paper's contributions to getting Obama elected and realize how critical the Post's efforts were in making that happen.

Posted by: Thank You | July 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

When a candidate cannot get a coherent economic message or photo op off the ground, that candidate always grasps for ways to drag the opponent. The public must understand, regardless of your views of the war, that the military is ALWAYS subservient to the commander-in-chief, not the other way around. The United States of America is NOT a police state nor a dictatorship, regardless of those who wants or thinks it should be. So, this candidate is grasping for straws, mud or whatever to suggest that any commander-in-chief to take at face value anything said. That decision must be made within the context of the country's well being and needs, both from the foreign policy and economic perspectives. For a change (yes...that word, CHANGE), the voting PUBLIC is the decider for what's right for this country. And that does not include starting wars based on outright lies or bogus claims, or even raiding the treasury and leaving us to clean after this bankrupt regime.

It's too bad when candidates want to run last century's race and think that everyone should run that race, too. And it's not even flattering to let the envy and jealousy show reek its ugly head. That, my friends, was very much on show last week. And...it's definitely NOT convincing to base a campaign message on an obvious stretch of the truth to win points when your argument stands empty. A person who behaves in this way is definitely unqualified fill the of the president of the USA. No one owes any candidate this honor, and that candidate MUST earn it. Remember, the way a candidate runs a campaign tells us much about how a candidate manages an organization and shows us the philosophy behind that candidate's governance.

If a candidate wants the voting public to hire him for the job, then provide a compelling case and reason based on something that common people can relate to that also helps them improve their everyday lives.

Are you listening John McCain?

Posted by: Think, too | July 29, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama couldn't get in a photo opp, that is why he didn't visit the wounded soldiers. He showed he didn't care anything about them and that whole trip was just for photo opps that is why he had such a large group of mainstream media tagging along.

Posted by: A Voice Of Reason | July 29, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Boy, the republicans know they have lost. Mccain once said he would not stoop to this level, yet at every chance he gets, he's down there in the mud.. But what I've noticed is that Obama's suit is never dirty.. That's because he doesn't like getting dirty... He won't go there with you mud wrestling, mud slinging pigs....
He's just to clean for that.....
Obama 2008-2012

Posted by: Tracy | July 29, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

If Obama went to visit the wounded soldiers, McCain would have argued that he was doing it for political gain and still would complain about it. So this is a no win situation at wounded soldiers expense.

Posted by: Connie | July 29, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Without his political military advisor, Obama just doesn't want to be in the same room with American military personnel, wounded or healthy.

That's a plain fact, admitted by Obama himself.

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

This is nothing but "Swift Boat" baloney all over again. Any idiot that believes this kind of tripe and votes for McCain over Obama based on this kind of story, is probably the same stupid idiot that voted for Bush, twice.

My suggestion for all is to look in your wallet, your gas tank, your 401K (if you still have a job), and across the world at Iraq (can anyone say suicide bomber, again)

Come on America, get real and put your thinkin' cap on!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

What's most ironic about this whole thing is that McCain aired an ad making this accusation: that Obama skipped meeting with the wounded troops so he could "go the gym". In the background, it shows a fuzzy image of Obama shooting hoops. This is the funny part. It turns out that he was shooting hoops with the troops in that footage!

The GOP campaign to portray Democrats as "against the troops" has long run out of gas. People well realize who has been shafting the troops - and the country - for too long.

Posted by: Mark | July 29, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

A little late with the truth. The damage has been done. Media bias BS. It is sickening but Obama will prevail. McCain's lies will come back to haunt him.

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 29, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

There a little story I'd like to tell you about the Emperor Who Had No Clothes ...

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:23 PM

You mean George W Bush? That's an old story by now. : )

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line?

Obama planned to visit the wounded US troops at Landstuhl, and could have visited those wounded troops with one caveat that applies to all politicians! It couldn't be political!

Obama bailed! Obama bugged!

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has studied under one of the absolute "low life" campaigners... George W. Bush.

With the assault on the McCain family in 2000 concerning a "child" fostered into the household. I lost all respect for John McCain immediately because his defense of his family was inadequate and know he will not do any better job protecting my family today. He was spineless then and he shows the same traits now.

As disconnected and demented as McCain has become his next accusation will probably be that Obama has fathered a "black" child.

Posted by: motiv8ed | July 29, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Heather:

Good point. Obama also secretly flew to meet with John Edwards back in February, keep the press in the dark about that too. SOME meetings obviously are important to him.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Did you hear about McLame's latest flip-flop on no new taxes whatsoever? Guess McLame had a change of heart and said, "nothing is off the table." The conservatives are loving this latest bomb.

Posted by: Black and Bitter Like Coffee | July 29, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Obammy was afraid that the troops just might not welcome him like the euros in Berlin. That's a hard act to follow so I guess he's more comfortable shooting baskets in the gym. Good luck fooling the American people.

Posted by: P.Walter | July 29, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I also heard a report from someone who says they got email from a army officer in Afghanistan. That Obama got off his plane, baically ignored troops and went directly to a meeting with a general.

Then he did a photo op, were he shot the bastek ball hoops; but even during it basically did not interact with any troops at all.

Posted by: Heather | July 29, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

ErrinF:

No, I was not here in 2006. I am also registered Independent, not Republican. As for Obama winning this election, I doubt it and I've been right every time since Carter (I really thought Ford was going to squeak that one out). Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:14 PM

How about a couple canards?

For one, do you watch Bill O'Reilly much? Because that's his common excuse for claiming NOT to be a GOP waterbearer. He always claims to be registered Independent, not Republican. I think he was told to do so by White House talking points.

For two, how did you predict 2006? Did you see it for the sweep it was going to be? The Dems took over the House and the Senate, and not a single one of their incumbents lost. Not even Joe Lieberman!

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

mattr:

McCain is NOT going to lose the election, and it's been FIVE days already -- how many more days do you think before the story goes away?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

When a candidate cannot get a coherent economic message or photo op off the ground, that candidate always grasps for ways to drag the opponent. The public must understand, regardless of your views of the war, that the military is ALWAYS subservient to the commander-in-chief, not the other way around. The United States of America is NOT a police state or a dictatorship, regardless of those who wants or thinks it should be. So, this candidate is grasping for straws, mud or whatever to suggest that any commander-in-chief to take at face value anything said. That decision must be made within the context of the country's well being and needs, both from the foreign policy and economic perspectives.

It's too bad when candidates want to run last century's race and think that everyone should run that race, too. And it's not even flattering to let the envy and jealousy show reek its ugly head. And...it's definitely NOT convincing to base a campaign message on an obvious stretch of the truth to win points when your argument stands empty. The Public deserves better than that from a prospective commander-in-chief. If was in a position to have the sole decision to hire a person behaving in this way, that person would be unqualified to fill the role.

If that person want to convince us to hire him for the job, then provide a compelling case that is based on something that common people can relate to and that helps common people to improve their lives.

Are you listening John McCain?

Posted by: Think, too | July 29, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow. The FIRST moderately critical piece of McCain after an AVALANCE of critical pieces against Obama.

There may be hope for the Post yet.

However, the following statement still props up McCain more than it, by any right, should:

McCain Attack: Flimsy Evidence
The Trail | Account of canceled visit to U.S. troops by Obama raises doubts about McCain's criticism.


It SHOULD READ:

McCain Attack: Flimsy Evidence
The Trail | Account of canceled visit to U.S. troops by Obama raises doubts about McCain's JUDGMENT.

Posted by: EthanQ | July 29, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama was so easily dissuaded from visiting those wounded US troops at Landstuhl, Germany.

What was the obstacle? The obstacle was that he couldn't bring campaign personnel.

So Obama skipped on to Gay Paree!

I wonder what kind of POW Obama would have made? Would Obama have taken an early release in exchange for making John Kerry and Jane Fonda statements?

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama was so easily dissuaded from visiting those wounded US troops at Landstuhl, Germany.

What was the obstacle? The obstacle was that he couldn't bring campaign personnel.

So Obama skipped on to Gay Paree!

I wonder what kind of POW Obama would have made? Would Obama have taken an early release in exchange for making John Kerry and Jane Fonda statements?

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Why is the Post covering this crap (for that is what it is)?

Posted by: Bill J | July 29, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are at it again using lies and deceits as campaign weapons. Of course, this is understandable as they have no intelligent positions on the pressing issues of the day. It's obvious that McSame is a moron just like Bush as he cannot do anything but criticize his opponent. I, for one, would like to hear McSame's ideas on fixing our problems, but I know he has none.

Also, the GOP now has the Ted Stevens scandal to deal with in this election, i.e., it's another seat in the Senate they will lose as Stevens will be in prison. This all flows from the GOP mentality, which simply stated is: "preach morality, practice criminality."

The press should be doing its job in exposing McSame's moral weaknesses such as his divorce from his crippled first wife and his marriage to Sindy one month later. Also, younger voters need to know the facts behind the Keating 5 scandal that almost landed McSame in prison. But, we don't hear about these things because the far right has cowed the press into remaining silent.

People, we have our last chance at surviving as a constitutional republic by electing Senator Barack Obama as President of the United States and throwing all the Republican slime balls out of Congress. If we fail to seize this opportunity, our country will cease to exist as we know it. Obama 08!!!

Posted by: caliguy55 | July 29, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

This makes no sense. So is Obama saying he will never visit wounded troops while running for President?

Why would any visit be more or less a campaign event then any other trip? How would it be a campaign event, if there were no reporters or camera?

This makes no sense at all. He meet with Hillary Clinton without it being a campaign event if I recall. He actually liked to the press and had them all on a plane to another state when he did that. why is it he could do it then and not to visit our troops?

Posted by: Heather | July 29, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

My butt itches from writing so much crap

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

washdc1:

So, it's not even allowed to point out that "The One" canceled his visit with wounded troops in Germany? There a little story I'd like to tell you about the Emperor Who Had No Clothes ...

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

When a candidate cannot get a coherent economic message or photo op off the ground, that candidate always grasps for ways to drag the opponent. The public must understand, regardless of your views of the war, that the military is ALWAYS subservient to the commander-in-chief, not the other way around. The United States of America is NOT a police, regardless of those who want or think that the country should be. So, this candidate is grasping for straws, mud or whatever to suggest that any commander-in-chief to take at face value anything said. That decision must be made within the context of the country's well being and needs, both from the foreign policy and economic perspectives.

It's too bad when candidates want to run last century's race and think that everyone should run that race, too. And it's not even flattering to let the envy and jealousy show reek its ugly head. And...it's definitely NOT convincing to base a campaign message on an obvious stretch of the truth to win points when your argument stands empty. The Public deserves better than that from a prospective commander-in-chief. If was in a position to have the sole decision to hire a person behaving in this way, that person would be unqualified to fill the role.

If that person want to convince us to hire him for the job, then provide a compelling case that is based on something that common people can relate to and that helps common people to improve their lives.

Are you listening John McCain?

Posted by: Think | July 29, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

This post is plain stupid, are you reporting or filling up the GOP talking points?

If the two memo are not inconsistents, where is the base of your questionnings... Oh , i know, you want to be relevant by attacking Obama. The same people who enabled the war in Irak by letting George Bush out of the hook.

Posted by: Holla, | July 29, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

If these are the issues that McSame uses to attack his opponent, he deserves to lose the election. All will be forgotten in days.

Posted by: mattr | July 29, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA'S DISTURBING VOTE OF CONFIDENCE FOR BERNANKE

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-gives-bernanke-vote-of-confidence.html

This does not bode well.

Posted by: PacificGatePost | July 29, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

michael4:

Of course not, but I am trying to find SOME common ground at least -- I was mentioning that "fact" because your first post claimed I failed to post any -- we just obviously disagree on the most likely reason WHY Obama canceled his visit. No hard feelings though.

Honeymoon's Over Barack:

Good points.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I would be very disappointed in the American people if they elected John McCain clearly on his position to smear every move Obama makes and every word he says. McCain needs to shut up about Obama already and give the people more of who he is and what he will do as president. Enough said.

Posted by: washdc1 | July 29, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse


In light of this momentous occasion, let's not forget that McCain is seven thousand years old. Older than Moses.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

It is shocking to see that the American media pay so much attention to the usual right-wing and Karl-Rove-like smear tactics and don't hold Mr. McCain accountable for his full participation in the catastrophic policies of the Bush administration. No one has paid the due attention to McCain's constant gaffes, flip-flops and expressions of incompetence.

If there was a truthful debate on the real issues that are at stake in this election, McCain should be behind 20% to 30% in the polls by now.

On the other hand, I wonder why the Obama campaign and Democrats haven't been running the offense so far.

Posted by: Sascha | July 29, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Would Captain John McCain (USN, Ret.) have to be led by the hand by a brass monkey to visit wounded US troops at Landstuhl?

Can Obama stand on his own two feet and answer questions of ordinary Americans at a town meeting?

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The NYT ahs an article about the phony
Obama teaching at Law School.

Now I can see where the right wing bought him: at Chicago alw school. I knew he was nto a democratic creation.

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | July 29, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"Masha" @ 6:13:

LOL! Actually, I do love watermellon!

Posted by: Masha HUSSEIN | July 29, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

There was the GWB presidency that stank so much, that the Americans are looking to seriously counterract their collective overzealousness in combatting terrorism, so much so that you now have the official reaction to the GWB white house screw-off Administration.

You will now be a member of the "obama-nation"

Don't cry: your weak-a$$ED NeoCon loving President, and his clone McSame did this to you.

Go give them 'what for' for screewing up so much that now the Nation is seriously considering the man Named Barack Hussein Obama.

You basically brought it on your selves, fools.

Maybe next time you can screw-up less in governing a great nation, eh?

Posted by: pgibson1 | July 29, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

bethechange1:

Is it "negative" to simply point out that Obama failed to personally meet with our wounded troops in Germany?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"You really expect the American voter to be stupid enough to think Obama's planned grand finale to his overseas trip was to be photographed visiting wounded troops?"

It wasn't a grand finale, it was a stop before moving on to Paris. Little perceived value (in the Obama campaign's eye) and after Gration was reminded he could not go they decided to cancel. Obviously didn't think much of it because after all, what's a few wounded U.S. servicemembers compared to 200K Germans or a presser at 10 Downing St...

Go ahead and keep drinking the Kool-Aid but Obama is paying dearly for this and will continue to do so. This is still bleeding.

Posted by: Honeymoon's Over Barack | July 29, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain is really gay. He has a special relationship with Richard Gere, and with gerbils.

I feel better now. Almost like a republican.

And if I repeat this lie 500 times then 10% of the people in this fine country will believe it.

But I will have lost my soul. Ah, there's the rub that makes being a Republican just not worth it.

I take it back. McCain likes women. Young, hot, rich, blondes. He married her for her character and personality.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

michael4:

One "fact" is that Obama failed to personally visit wounded troops in Germany, right? I have no problem with making this election a referendum on Obama. Are you scared about that possibility?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:02 PM
-----------------------------
Absolutely not. I have no such fear. Why should I? I'll even agree with your one stated fact! He did not.

However, since you have not, in earlier posts, left it at that and engaged in other hyperbole impugning Obama's motivations or reasons for making that decision, I can draw no other conclusion than you have an additional agenda. Are you afraid to admit and take responsibility for that? Are you afraid to admit that your "rationale" is nothing more than wishful, self-fulfilling prophecy that when exposed to the light of day is irational, illogical and politicizes our injured and wounded troops?

My conclusion are that you should be better than that, and that you should apologize and admit your error. Then move on to something relevant. This tempest in a teapot you would like to mean something simply does not, other than the backlash against your stupidity in the first place. Of course, I know that is asking too much.

Posted by: michael4 | July 29, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, a guy like JakeD is an asset to his opposition. Let him speak his mind, although it seems to be property of the GOP.

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

ErrinF:

No, I was not here in 2006. I am also registered Independent, not Republican. As for Obama winning this election, I doubt it and I've been right every time since Carter (I really thought Ford was going to squeak that one out). Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The whole conversation is childish and a waste of campaign dollars for McCain.

Is this really what he wants to talk about? He's got some campaign funds and a mouthpiece to give his vision for America in this new century of potential innovation. And this is what his donors paid for? It's easy to blame the media for spending too much time on Obama, but now in his OWN COMMERCIALS what's he doing? He's talking about Obama, just like every other person in the world that is already so bored with his campaign. Why can't he talk about himself? Is that the media's fault? No, it's his own fault.

McCain, what's your plan? Why don't you make a commercial that discusses that? Wouldn't that be a better expression of maturity and a positive reflection on your earlier pledge to rise above the mud-slinging and present real solutions?

Posted by: Grimmix | July 29, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey folks, let's all get together and tell McStupid to get a backbone. He's now "MR. FLIPFLOPPER". for all his changes in position and political allies.

McSLeazy is the ultimate flip flopper!

Posted by: Daddio on the Paddio | July 29, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Rep. VP candidates have to be salivating over the prospect of being McCain's running mate. They would have a better than 50-50 chance of becoming President at some point during the next 4 years.

We could even end up with a 30-something exorcist as President. Wouldn't that be fun.

Posted by: jvf | July 29, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Look everyone, I do Sta Soft Fro commercials. I love KFC and watermellon too!

Posted by: Masha | July 29, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's face the big ugly jackass in the room!

Obama has loyalty problems!

Obama will bug out on anyone! Jeremiah Wright! The wounded US troops at Landstuhl! The Iraqis!

And Obama did it for their own good!

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Personally, i can't get enough of this JakeD character. It's idiots like him, Karl Rove, and George W Bush (to name a few) who have entirely destroyed the Republican party and set conservative politics back for a LONG time.

So tell us more, JakeD. The rest of us voters are always looking for new justifications to have anti-Republican sentiment. No matter what you say or do, Obama takes the White House in November and the Democrats sweep the House and Senate. You were here in 2006 spouting the same blind lemming right wing garbage, right? How'd that year turn out for you? : )

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has lost my respect. I am a democrat, but have held hope over the years that McCain was an independent, decent man. However, his conduct during this campaign - the reversals on important issues such as torture, tax cuts, the religious right, to name a few - and now, his sour-grapes, false acusations impuning Barack Obama's motives is just "politics as usual." His early claim that he wanted a "civil" campaign has now been another reversal - like Hillary Clinton, he will stoop to negative campaigning to try to "win," even though the negative tone and spreading of false information is no help to Americans who are trying to make a decision about our next president. The press, as per usual, especially the cable news channels are NO help in sorting out the falsehoods from the truth. Thank you to the Post for this article and Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC for outing the lies in this spin by the McCain campaign.

I do think the Obama campaign needs to play stronger defense and point out that McCain voted against Jim Webb's bills to extend rest time between tours and improve the GI bill for soldiers. I work with veterans who have served in Iraq, and let me tell you, they have been abused by this administration and they want to come home. Did you see how the service people were smiling and laughing when meeting Obama in the news footage? To me, they looked happy and relieved that he may save them from that hell hole. John McCain, for all his personal narrative (POW) and claim of superior support of our troops has put no action behind his words. The Obama campaign needs to hit back harder on this one.

Posted by: bethechange1 | July 29, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

McCain attacked Obama with these scurrilous lies and total disregard for the facts because his campaign staff told him to do so -- they are all wildly panicked by the Obama overseas trip.

In point of fact, they are terrified by Obama and his peerless campaign. McCain's camp is in total disarray and are quickly being revealed as a bunch of stupid amateurs.

The old warrior deserves a better campaign staff and should resist their frightened and trembling resort to attacks based upon lies.

As one commenter said, McCain threw himself on the grenade of George W. Bush's legacy and now he must pay the price.

He is doomed.

Posted by: ScrewABunch of FlagPins | July 29, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Let the Swiftboating begin! McFear - same old stuff. Time for hope, not fear.

Posted by: Swiftboat | July 29, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

so McCain thinks it's OK to repeat a lie if it's only a marginally defensible interpretation of an ambiguous report by someone else - even after the facts are revealed showing it's an absolutely false interpretation?

that tells me all I need to know about his utter lack of character, integrity, honesty and fitness to lead anything.

Posted by: JoeT | July 29, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

This campaign is getting ridiculous on both sides. Pretty soon McCain is going to be at a rally somewhere and kiss a baby. The next day he'll be accused of child abuse. The same day, Obama will shake the hand of a young woman at a campaign stop and be accused of having an illicit affair.

It's petty posturing and quite sickening.

Posted by: EKruse | July 29, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed by what Senator Obama has accomplished. I have been in this country for 5 years and when I arrived I was struck at how poor and uneducated most blacks are. I could never figure out why most had children out of wedlock, sold drugs, and were in jail. I suppose it is the slave metality from generations ago but at some point they will have to take responsibility. I think that is the reason Senator Obama appeals to so many whites because he isn't 100% black. He has a black face but the mentality of a white person. That makes the vote palatable and they can feel good about themselves. I doubt many of these white voters would go for an Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson - just too black and they are for more representative of the black American - not Barack Obama.

Posted by: Rahiq Syed | July 29, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

What? Obama is just a slick political opportunist after all?


Noooooo!


But..but..we BELIEVED in you Barack!!!

Posted by: I can't believe it's not butter! | July 29, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

P.S. you will note that I never resort to ad hominem attacks against you ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Rush Limbaugh should be able to give some of his drugs to Cindy McCain. What a bunch of reprobates and sanctimonious charlatans.

Posted by: Ben Dover | July 29, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Bugging out on the wounded Landstuhl troops proves that Obama has worse patriotism problems than not wearing a flag lapel pin, and it can't be covered up by wearing an Uncle Sam suit!

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

"Karl Rove & his buddies in the republican party have learned this process well; if they repeat the same lie long enough, many non-thinking citizens will start to believe; examples, Saddam had wmd;democrats are tax & spend"

What are democrats if they're not tax and spend. Look at Obama's budget, SS, etc plans and try saying different.

I can't help comment on the WMDs also. For all you tools who believe the WMD republican connection and don't want to believe that the WMD ISSUE WAS A BIPARTISAN AND INTERNATIONAL MISTAKE here's a link including quotes from your beloved liberals. However I expect the majority of liberals to cover their eyes and act like this link isn't there.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

vegasgirl:

I haven't listened to "the right-wing radio" since any of this wounded troop fiasco hit the fan. Shocking, huh, that I've been able to post all of that myself?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"The word is out on the Internet that Cindy McCain is still doing cocaine."

Damn! Is that true? If so, we have a problem Houston!

Posted by: Ben Dover | July 29, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey, JakeD: I was the one who accidentally forgot my post name. And YOU'RE the pathetic McCain apologist who needs help, dude. McCain has voted against the troops on more occasions than Obama, for all his flaws, ever will. Deal with it, hypocrite.

Posted by: vegasgirl | July 29, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight about what Obama is being accused of... After getting more press exposure than anybody else last week, Obama suddenly decides NOT to visit wounded troops because he couldn't make a photo op out of it. Wasn't this all within a day or two of him giving his speech before 200,000 Germans, you know, the speech broadcast worldwide? You really expect the American voter to be stupid enough to think Obama's planned grand finale to his overseas trip was to be photographed visiting wounded troops? Really? Obama supposedly decided that the troop visit should be canceled because it wouldn't give him enough press exposure?!?! The guy spent an entire week having his every move exposed by the press. The last thing he was lacking in was more photo ops.

What preposterousness this all is. The right wingers just blindly follow any lie put forth by GOP politicians like McCain. That the McCain campaigns accusations about this matter are only supported by Republican partisans is very telling.To the rest of us, this is just one in a long line of 'gotchas!' thrown at Obama. None of them stick... just ask Hilary Clinton.

Posted by: ErrinF | July 29, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

RadioMom:

I'm sure you will let me know if there's anything I've posted that you think is "made up" -- thanks in advance.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine McCain being stopped from meeting with wounded US troops at Landstuhl under the same circumstances?

The VietNamese torturers couldn't make McCain betray his fellow POWs, and I don't think anyone can do it now.

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

DaTourist: "Liberal media"? The same "liberal media" that raked Obama over the coals week after week after week for the Rev. Wright? The same that basically ignores John McCain less than acceptable gaffes and disgraceful treatment of his first wife?
You're kidding. Please turn off the right-wing radio and start thinking for yourself. That goes double for you, JakeD.

Posted by: vegasgirl | July 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

As an old guy, I remember how the commies back in the 50's would repeat the same lies over & over.Karl Rove & his buddies in the republican party have learned this process well; if they repeat the same lie long enough, many non-thinking citizens will start to believe; examples, Saddam had wmd;democrats are tax & spend;the U.S. does not torture; etc,etc.The best thing we can do is listen to all points of view, read many papers, watch something other than Fox or MSNBC, & most importantly, quit believing the D.C.crowd who have their own agenda.What do our friends & family, & our neighbors think.This is going to be the most important election in my 65 yr. lifetime. I AM TAKING IT SERIOUSLY, you better also.

Posted by: tlrasnic,virginia | July 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I just read on the Internet that Cindy McCain still has a cocaine problem as of June this year.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

michael4:

One "fact" is that Obama failed to personally visit wounded troops in Germany, right? I have no problem with making this election a referendum on Obama. Are you scared about that possibility?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Specifically, Gration was the one who wasn't allowed to accompany.

This is a telling episode and it's not going away, as much as the Obama camp would like it to.

Obama is just another douchebag politician surrounded by douchebag political sheisters.

Posted by: Obamadouchebag | July 29, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

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Europeans ignored GOP Republican McBush Tour of Europe. The historic Democratic primaries covered exhaustively by European news outlets are not the sole reason the fire has gone out of European GOP Republican McBush-hatred. One of the main sparks fueling it was a deep frustration that Americans couldn't see what Europeans considered obvious: that GOP Republican McBush is a moron.

America, Europe and the World need healing through forward thinking Harvard Law Scholar and Community Leader Barack Obama.

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Posted by: GOP Republican Wall Street Failures | July 29, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

NEO-CONS of Bushco-III aren't very smart, original, creative, or able.

They just slander Obama and tell lies about McCain "announcing a VP soon" to Robert Novak who then prints/spreads them and acts suprised when they are false.

Then they go back to whining over Obama's success.

Posted by: JBE | July 29, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Way to go winemaster! Keep up the good work by educating those lock-step Nazi Republicans about their fearless leader.

GO OBAMA!

Posted by: Ben Dover | July 29, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if old man McCain had any other body parts removed today? By November, there won't be anything left of him. But not to worry, Cindy can always concede for him.

Posted by: The end | July 29, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

The liberal media has rushed to Obama's defense, but we know Obama could have met with the wounded US troops at Landstuhl if only he'd left his political advisor campaign headquarters.

Obama chose. Let Obama live with it.

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

OK. So McCain's campaign is now using Fox News as a source of "factual" reporting? They are probably also using these Washington Post blogs (by people like Jake D) and crediting that as a Washington Post source. Not too much of a stretch... It is SO easy to just make up s**t and fly with it on a campaign ad that totally mis-states the actual truth of the decision not to visit wounded soldiers at Ramstein and assign the reason for decision as something the McCain campaign would HOPE was the reason. Then it gets repeated and repeated, and within 24 hours even John McCain thinks it was the truth. He's believing the spin his spinners put out there.

Wow. He is rather open to being brainwashed, isn't he.


Posted by: RadioMom | July 29, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous poster(s):

It would be much easier if you picked a name and stuck with it. As it is, I am not sure which "comeback" you thought lacked brillance -- I am here to help you -- but you have to help me help you.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

This comment space moderated by who ever at the WP is totally biased, prejudiced with silent accepted form of discrimination, segregation and hidden racism. The only person who record need vetting is John Sidney McCain the third all the way from his birth in Canal Zone Panama, neither as US soil or US sovereign territory. His preferential treatment admission to the US Naval Academy, where had it not been for his admiral father's influence, he would have never graduated #496 out of 499. Followed by his destruction of five naval craft including some for solo joy rides to go meet his girl friend and the the Army Navy Football game in Phili, hot shot doing flip over a ski resort in Italy, clipping ski cable, resulting in the death of 17 skiers. The worst of all his disobeying direct orders to remove the over size and over weight bombs from his jet fighter that was awaiting take off on the flight deck of the Carrier USS Forrestal. After a huge explosion, fire death of over 110 naval personnel and loss of 15 jet fighters, the story release was that a stray rocket ( not incoming ) struck McCain's plane.

There are one too many such coincidences in McCain's whole life and history. After he was shot down and taken POW Lt. Commander's five years record in Vietnam differs radically from other much senior military officers, who spend much longer time as POWs in Vietnam.

McCain only flew 25 hours of combat bombing civilian/military targets over Hanoi and V. Vietnam but after his release decked out with 28 medals. The public has the right to konw for what.

After his release, the son of the US Pacific Naval Commander was ushered before his like minded Nixon. There after as per his injuries during him bailing out McCain was declared 100% disabled. As per DOD and Naval regulations, he should have been discharged. But as a preferential treatment, McCain was allowed to name his own assignment and he chose the War College, which is normally reserved for high ranking military officers with merit and distinction. McCain's merits and distinction were #496 out of 496 in his class. Destruction of five Navy aircraft and fiove years as a POW.
He was then promoted to a full commander and decked out with 28 medals. After nine months at the War College, McCain was again promoted to Captain and then assigned as a Naval Liaison to the US Senate, a job he had no training or experience.
In that capacity, McCain befriended another Navy man boozer and Womanizer Senator John Tower of Texas, The powerful corrupt to the hilt Chairman of the Defense Appropriations Committee. In fact it was John Tower, McCain's mentor, who greased his way for a Congressional career.
McCain during this time divorcing his crippled wife with three kids for a rich Arizona rodeo queen, 17 years his jr. and a daughter of Jim Hensley, a Arizona/ Las Vegas Mafia associate, a convicted felon who did time in the slammer.Another Navy man who kept his mouth shut and was awarded a beer distributorship, a spin off of the much bigger S.W. US Liq empire of the United Liq.

Cindy Lou Hensley's felon father, Charles Keating an other Reagan Era Savings and Loan felon among others with John Towers connections bank rolled John Sidney McCain's Congressional Campaigns

Yes indeed vet, vet and vet John Sidney McCain and his fake war heroism and the rest of his record.

Posted by: winemaster2 | July 29, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Not to worry all us Obama supporters. McLazy will stumble and fall flat on his face after the convention. His handlers won't be able to keep him up past 8 PM. Put McSleaze in a town hall meeting and Obama would clean his clock.

We do not need a senile old man as president. We are getting rid of the drunken party hound.

Posted by: Ben Dover | July 29, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

In fact, I suspect JakeD and Eagle Sam are one in the same. Sad, sad, sad.
Get a life.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama's trip was a politically-inspired photo-op, designed to shore up his lack of foreign policy experience. By and large it was successful, and he'll get a lot of mileage out of looking "presidential" with foreign leaders, even if there's not much of a bump in the short-term polls.

His time would have been better used visiting wounded troops than giving a pep rally in Berlin. Seems to me that pointing that out is fair game.

Posted by: postfan | July 29, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Can the liberal media explain away Obama's refusal to visit wounded US troops at Landstuhl without big time political advisors?

Why is Obama so scared to meet these wounded US troops without a politically left general present?

Posted by: DaTourist | July 29, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Miss Kitty:

Would you agree that a phone call is not the same effort as personally visiting the troops, sitting with them for a while, shaking their hands or maybe even just looking at them in the face and sharing a moment -- not having to say anything because the soldier lost his ears?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Ooooh, *brilliant* comeback, Jake D. Wow, I'm just boweled over by your bravura and intellect. You're pathetic.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

It's almost understandable-- almost.
The McCain campaign is absolutely desparate. Various "poll of polls" show that obamas lead among american voters constantly fluctuates between an average of eight points and three. McCain's campaign staff knows this, and are COMPLETELY powerless. Despite his constant reminder that he's "not the mudslinging type", we are sure to se more and more of this sort of tactic as November draws nearer.

Posted by: Carlos from Philly | July 29, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Another day pissed away by Mccain without any substance. All Obama all the time. Mccain the nothing candidate with nothing to say.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Morris:

I'm retired with plenty of time to waste here, or golfing, either one is fine by me -- as for getting paid in actual earthly currency, no -- I'm just storing up treasures.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:51 PM

That much is clear; you're clearly losing your grip on reality. Time for a checkup CAT scan to see if those holes in your brain are bigger than a golf ball now.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

The MCCain Camp and his Attack Dogs on Foxx are insisting that Barack would not visit the Troops. All the reports I have read says that the Pentagon discouraged the trip because it would be considered Political. This is consistent with the position of the State Department which barred it's staff from even attending the Rally in Berlin on their own time.. This was reported in the W/Post . There has been no comment from the Administration on this..
McCain was on Larry King last Night... evry one knows that Larry King is the easiest interview. MCCain was given 30 mins and rather that tout his own campain he spent 30 Free Mins attacking Obama's positions. What about his positions?
What does he stand for?
Does anyone Know?
MCCain has changed his tune so many times its laugablle.
He has changed his position on Immigration , Tax Cuts, Off Shore Drilling. What ever happened to the Straight Talk Express?.
He has surrounded himself with Lobbyist.. Charlie Black we all know his record.
The Right Wing Press and Media have attcked Barack from all sides but will not look at Bush short comings. Will they use the same standars for Bush? I dont thin so.
$582 Million Dificit and counting
$ 4.00 Gas prices a sinking dollar? Foreclosures, sinking house prices. The Bush Administration has taken us down the wrong road.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Phewwwwwww

Posted by: Carprin | July 29, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"No Negro civilian for Commander in Chief of this man's military. Give us a military man.Vote McCain."

Posted by: Eagle Sam


Eagle Sam (unless you're kidding, and I get the feeling you're not): Rot in HELL, you redneck piece of garbage. You are a disgrace to our nation, you souless SOB.

Posted by: vegasgirl | July 29, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I can't agree that it is "innuendos and nastiness" to point out the facts and that the most likely reason why Obama failed to visit the wounded troops in Germany is because of the lack of exposure with no media / campaign entourage.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 4:43 PM
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"...to point out the facts..." That is a joke, right, since you have failed to do so? Pejorative "conclusions" and and convenient "interpretations" hardly constitute facts. I heard some moron this morning on Morning with Joe claim Obama decided to "blow off the troops".

Clearly that is a provocative, unsupported pejorative statement intended to characterize an attitude and intention that is unknowable by anyone other those who made the decision. Then, astoundingly, when asked what he was implying, he deigned any responsibility for implying a conclusion and said "the public" would decide; a statement that I would characterize as devoid of intellectual honesty yet full of cowardice.

It would be refreshing to see the McCain campaign act like grown ups and refrain from this petty bickering that seems to be their only stock in trade. That could easily start with an acquaintance with "the facts" and an appreciation for the rules of logic. It would also be nice if there strategy relied on a belief that the voting population had some degree of intelligence rather than their apparent reliance on a belief that we are a bunch of stupid sheep. As to the last point, I do have some difficulty showing it isn't true, based on the results of the last two Presidential elections.

Nevertheless, can't McCain find something to positive to talk about, something he can do to help the country and its citizens, and dare I say citizens of the world?

Posted by: michael4 | July 29, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

vegasgirl:

No.

James McDouglas:

It's OK if you'd rather not answer my question. Have a nice life.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

What jackbooted Nazis the McCain juggernaut is! And the MSMedia yapping poodles are more than happy to spew their bloody lies for them -- these are the people who want to run the nation for the next four years, lies, lies, slander, smears and more lies.
If McCain be civil now guess how he'll and his handlers willconduct himselves once they're in the W.H. with the curtains pulled.
Sure has taken The Trail an awfully long time to address McCain's filthy lies ... after it's been setting out there for four days...you know what you're doing ...

Sen Obama should sue McCain and his lying warmongering jackals for SLANDER AND DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER.

And do tell us just a little bit about the barbecue at one of the many McCain residences in Arizona and when you wipe the barbecue sauce from your chins, tell us what the warmonger who has voted AGAINST those troops he claims to care about is doing; is he visiting the troops, does he visit them when he takes one of his many trips on the taxpayer's dime to Iraq (he goes to Iraq and shops in bazaars and they get to shop at Walmart),

Did I read or hear somewhere's that Obama spent four or six hours phoning the troops in Germany in lieu of visiting them????

Posted by: Miss Kitty | July 29, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"Any discussion of cameras or photographers accompanying Obama was "off the table," said Whitman, who stressed that because of privacy issues, no photography is allowed at Landstuhl."

Doesn't this mean the stop was scheduled well in advance with the knowledge that press coverage and photos were never going to happen? What a shoddy argument by cancerface.

By the time of the RNC convention his head is going to be covered in band aids and gauze. *chuckle*

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

What a load of cow chips.... If Barry nixed the trip because he couldn't take a pet advisor along, that sends a strong signal to us about his priorities. They aren't with the troops. Barry "Lip Service" Obama.

Maybe he heard they had been clinging to their guns and had been rumored to have been praying in foxholes. Probably thought they were all from Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Joser | July 29, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Morris:

I'm retired with plenty of time to waste here, or golfing, either one is fine by me -- as for getting paid in actual earthly currency, no -- I'm just storing up treasures.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: But if McCain had the same LAME excuse, you'd be cheering it, right?
Typical right-wing typocrite. Why don't you just quit your job and go prostitute yourself for McCain's campaign? That's what you're doing now, anyway.
Well, any thoughts I had of supporting this desperate old man are long, long, long gone.
SHAME ON YOU, JOHN MCCAIN!

Posted by: vegasgirl | July 29, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

No Negro civilian for Commander in Chief of this man's military. Give us a military man.

Vote McCain.

Posted by: Eagle Sam | July 29, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

So McCain is a lying say anything to get elected Republican like Bush..how is this news?

Posted by: andthen.. | July 29, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"I will never vote for someone Black"
Posted by: | July 29, 2008 5:44 PM

And there you have it. If Obama gets beaten, it won't be on the issues.

It will be because half the population of this country are white racists.

That, and the Diebold spread. About 6 points and it ALWAYS breaks for Repukes.

Posted by: Tom3 | July 29, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, nobody takes you seriously.

What McCain said was not only negative but an outright lie.

Even the mainstream media says it was a lie... and they basically never use the L word... never.

Posted by: James McDouglas | July 29, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I will not someone in the pocket of the JEWS like McCain!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

McCain cares so much for those young men & women in Iraq - our sons & daughters - he cannot even set a tentative date for withdrawal occupation troops and give them a spendid home-coming this year 2008 for Christmas.

The holocaust goes on and on, fueled by rotten minds that say, lets kill, maim, torture and leave many more hungry Iraqi orphans to wander aimlessly around derelict buildings and bombed out land looking for thrown away, partly eaten hershey bars.

Posted by: Mark Golding - Children of Iraq Association | July 29, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA = smart, well educated, healthy, vibrant, well read, nice wife and children.

McCAIN = old, a techno illiterate, cranky, sickly, divorced his first wife while schtupping his second. Married into money.

tell me - which one would you like for President?

Posted by: Ben Dover | July 29, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Bill J and Josh:

At least we agree that pointing out the FACT that Obama failed to personally meet with wounded troops is not "negative". You think speculating about the most likely reason WHY is negative. That's where we disagree.

I believe the McCain campaign is happy to leave the WHY question to the voters. Nicolle Wallace, the spokeswoman for McCain above, "People will draw their own conclusions ... "It probably wasn't enough to ruin the trip, but there is a very worrisome Obama narrative shaping up" in which he's ignoring the advice of military officers such as General David Petraeus and he's not fully paying attention to "the importance of seeing the troops, no matter how logistically challenging it might be."

Tom3:

The latest Gallup poll of LIKELY voters -- you know, the people who actually show up and vote -- showed McCain ahead.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

You are still on here. I remember you from half a year ago. Dude do you have a job or this your job? What are you going to do after Nov 4? How much does someone like you make for posting comments if this is your job? Seriously, because I would do it too if it paid enough.

Posted by: Morris | July 29, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain's Quickly Growing List of Flip Flops:

National Security Policy

1. McCain thought Bush's warrantless wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

2. McCain insisted that everyone, even "terrible killers," "the worst kind of scum of humanity," and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, "deserve to have some adjudication of their cases," even if that means "releasing some of them." McCain now believes the opposite.

3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

4. In February, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

5. McCain favored closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.

6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with Predators, McCain criticized him for it. He's since come to the opposite conclusion.

Foreign Policy

7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it.

8. McCain supported moving "toward normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

9. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

10. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

11. McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.

Military Policy

14. McCain recently claimed that he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."

15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good idea and a bad idea.

16. McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."

17. McCain has repeatedly said it's a dangerous mistake to tell the "enemy" when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.

18. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.

Domestic Policy

19. McCain defended "privatizing" Social Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

20. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn't.

21. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

22. He argued that the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

23. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

24. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

25. McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting "irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

26. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

27. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. before he supported it.

28. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.

29. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

30. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.

Economic Policy

31. McCain was against Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.

32. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated," and "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a "very strong" understanding of economics.

33. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.

34. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were "too tilted to the wealthy." By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

35. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

36. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a "'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes."

37. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.

38. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.

Energy Policy

39. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling; now he's against it.

40. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

41. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to be voluntary.

42. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.

43. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn't.

Immigration Policy

44. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. Now he's against it.

45. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.

46. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders "before proceeding to other reform measures." Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he'd never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his "top priority."

Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law

47. McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite.

48. McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

49. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform

50. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn't.


51. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

52. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

Politics and Associations

53. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn't.

54. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn't.

55. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004.

56. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

57. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks.

58. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

59. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

60. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn't want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he "would taint the image of the 'Straight Talk Express.'" Kissinger is now the honorary co-chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

61. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was "corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff's gay lover." McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.


Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Did you see the latest poll that when promised anonymity 63% of male Obama supporters admitted pleasuring themselves to Obama at least once and 37% admit to at least once a week?

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Don't Procrastinate hold the MSM & McCain accountable and bring honest and respect back to this Presedential Race.

Agitate, Agitate!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ted | July 29, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's all be reasonable here and not call each other names, TOM3, you scumbag.

I don't like McCain, but Republicans and Democrats are citizens and have the right to vote for whom they want...regardless of what YOU think.

So, TOM3, go back to 8th grade and read more about this great Republic...and the choice we all have.

Posted by: Ben Dover | July 29, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Lol Jake. These Washington Post threads are some of the more amusing of blogs/media sources. They seem to attract some of the nuttiest and youngest of the Obama supporters so they're a riot.

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Oops, Obama 47%, McLame 41%.

Sorry for the typo.

You Repukes are still LIARS.

Posted by: Tom3 | July 29, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

The secret service would not be the only people prepping for his visit. Be a bit realistic!

The media did not accompany Obama on all of his other hospital visits, even with in the same week as this incident. You can't get around that.

McCain is trying to make something out of nothing because he has no strengths to focus his campaign around.

Posted by: Chandler | July 29, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I will never vote for someone Black

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: I did, and a little cynicism during this silly season is not misplaced. That said, for me, the flaw in your argument is the suggestion that the visit to the hospital was a secret that the campaign was attempting to keep from reporters (so that it could be "leaked" to an attendant press pool). On the contrary, reporters had been informed of the visit, and of the fact that they were not invited.

Also, your credulity with respect to this story requires you to believe that Obama is pretty base - which again surprises me. For that reason, I thought initially that you were just having fun and trying to generate a lively argument. That's why I asked.

The McCain Campaign's current logic is so strained, and so circular that it leaves me gasping (and grudgingly impressed). First, generate a media story; then, claim that you are merely relying on media stories. Brilliant! I do believe that it may be time for the Obama Campaign to take notes.

Posted by: Masha | July 29, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Negative campaigning works even if it's based on lies. McCain makes the accusation about Obama's lack of concern for the troops. It's repeated over and over in the media and by the conservative echo chamber. What percentage of the population will take the time to read carefull analysis like this that shows that McCain's accusation is without factual basis? It's too long for the media to repeat again and again. So most people are left with a deliberate misimpression.

Posted by: Josh | July 29, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Cryos:

I don't mind the fake JakeD(s). I get paid by the post regardless ; )

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

John McCain needs to check himself before he wrecks himself.

The idea that Obama would refuse to visit troops if he couldn't bring in the troops is both false and absurd. Also, the idea that some people are focusing on this as opposed to John McCain's vote against the GI Bill (i.e., he'll visit all day but won't pay a dime in recognition of your service) is just as absurd.

I guess the Straight Talk Express is stalled in the Year 2000 Train Depot.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The fact that the criticism came from McCain is reason enough to question the validity. This guy has done a 180 since he decided he was going to run in 2008. What a joke......send this guy back to AZ to bake in the sun.

Posted by: Mike | July 29, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Just checked the Gallup site. Obama still has a significant lead in the tracking poll and among registered voters. McCain leads in the poll of likely voters which is based on a lot of assumptions about who will vote. I think the Democratic base is pissed enough that the traditional turnout rates are going to be way off this time. Long story short, McCain is behind and will continue to be as more is known about him.

Posted by: CDgainesville | July 29, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

It is negative to say Obama was going to visit the troops but didn't because he could not invite the media (and hence would get limited publicity) without a bit of proof.

Posted by: Bill J | July 29, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The daily Gallup is on pollingreport.com
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

7/28/08 Obama 48% McLame 41%

The Repuke who said McLame is "pulling ahead of Obama" is a LIAR.

You Repukes are all LYING SACKS OF CRAP.

Posted by: Tom3 | July 29, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

5:31 said it all: McCain canceled the same kind of trip for exactly the same reason.

So, either you understand both, condemn both, or should be feeling the strains of congnitive dissonance. Or, of course, you're a raving hypocrite.

Posted by: DanPatrick | July 29, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Evil:

The retired general, since he endorsed Obama and was campaigning for him, did NOT have a right to accompany Obama -- per Pentagon guidelines applied to both sides of the aisle -- only Obama's SENATE staff were allowed.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

This is just another indicator of the McCain Camps despration, I guess it doesnt matter. I dont think McCain can win as the GOP Nominee anyway. Could you imagine McCain even having enough energy to run your local Mcdonalds. Seriously. Think about it next time your in line watching the Mcdonalds manager run around taking orders and shouting orders. McCain couldnt do it. So I ask You, how will McCain be president??? Looks as though the RNC got behind the wrong candidate and they will pay for it., Guess they should of let the primary season play out without trying to minupulate the outcome.. Good news is i think McCain is just about done, I wouldnt doubt the GOP ditch him at the last second and run a younger more charasmatic charachter. Did you see him knock all that stuff off the shelf at the supermarket. the video is at http://www.mccanes.com all the while barack obama is looking like an NBA super star, (arrogence and all) even taking time to stop and have a cigar break video at http://www.theobamaplan.com

Posted by: Paul | July 29, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Con men can't wait to get their hands on Obama donor lists. They will have a list of millions of people they can sucker into just about anything. Lol at Obama supporters. It's amusing you watch you change your opinions from day to day as the media or Obama changes and gives you an excuse to back up your change. It's too bad you don't know how big of tools you are.

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Jake D, all your posts are assuming that the reporters were not going to be left on the plane (or maybe in a hangar) as was stated by the Obama campaign. What exactly do you base this on (FOX "news" reports)?

Hope will win this election. McCain will not.

Posted by: Bill J | July 29, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

James McDouglas:

Whether you think Obama did the right thing or not, is it "negative" for McCain to point out that Barack Obama, in fact, did not personally visit wounded troops in Germany?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The length of the disclaimer speaks volumes about the truth. The press is always attempting to defend the indefensible when it comes to Obama's actions. They take as Gospel the explanations of his campaign aides--- after the fact. What a bunch of malarky. Simply put, Obama cancelled because he was notified that he could not take his cohorts to the hospital. The whole thing stinks. They made excuses about his "bitter" comments, they made excuses abou his wife's "first time I am proud to be an american", they made excuses about his sitting in the pew for 20 years and said nothing about his Pastor's racists' comments. I could go on and on but I am sickened at the media's willingness to give him a "pass" no matter what the problem. I don't even believe they will be critical of him if he was found in bed with a dead boy which has been the criteria when a politico would have to hang it up.

Posted by: Joe M | July 29, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Jake, note I said PAST November. the last thing on earth that I want is for McBush to keel over before america gets a chance to hand him his bush kissing arse on November 4th. After that, he and Novak can hold hands a pull a Thelma and Louise for all I care.

Posted by: pj451 | July 29, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The cancelled troop visit may be Obama's Swift Boat incident. Even though the Swift Boat allegations were false, they resonated strongly enough among "patriots" to sink Kerry. McCain's smears are resonating. Today's daily Gallup poll shows him pulling ahead of Obama. Other polls show a tightening race.

Posted by: JBart39 | July 29, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

When I was growing up there was a statement that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Obama is trying to position himself as a different type of politician and refuses to use smear tactics. I say it is time to take the gloves off. There are plenty of skeietons in McCain's closet and it is time they be revealed. The media is not going to do it so it is up to Obama's people to start revealing the truth about McCain. I would say, "if you want to play this game, bring it on".

Posted by: CDgainesville | July 29, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

dee:

Do you believe it is a "lie" that Barack Obama, in fact, did not personally visit wounded troops in Germany?

Chandler:

If the Western Wall leak was from the Secret Service, that would REALLY concern me.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I am the epitome of all things middle American and Republican, being fat, white, sweaty, a fan of easy listening, fast food, polyester, network TV (plus FOX!), the 8-track, American cars of the 1980s, the work of David Hasselfhoff, and I could go on...

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

thebob.bob:

There's "no proof that Obama ever sought to bring the media or any entourage" you mean, other than all the media and entourage on the plane, right? That "single military adviser" was not on his Senate staff and, therefore, was not allowed in (see highlighted quote from Pentagon spokesman below).
_______________________________

They were on the plane for the whole trip. You know that, I know that. Everyone knows that. He couldn't very well leave them in Europe.

The single military staff is a retired general and as such has a right to go on his own.

Posted by: Evil | July 29, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama did the right thing.

With the pettiness and ugliness of the McCain campaign, he obviously couldn't rely on them not to make whatever he did into a political issue.

He made the right choice by not getting the actual troops involved in McCain's ugliness... by bearing the brunt of McCain's childishness himself.

That's a real man... a real leader.

He took the political hit... and stood up to McBush and his childish stamping feet... but he kept our wounded troops out of it.

Posted by: James McDouglas | July 29, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Arizona Sen. John McCain hit San Francisco tonight for a major fundraiser.

The full report from pool reporter Josh Richman of the Oakland Tribune just hit, and here's some excerpts detailing what he saw:

"Contributors began gathering beneath the crystal chandeliers of the Fairmont Hotel's Gold Room -- an ornate, French Provincial-styled ballroom -- at around 6:30 p.m.

The drinks: California wines, Mountain View Vintners Chardonnay and Cabernet Sauvignon, and a Gloria Ferrer sparkling wine.

The food: hor's d'oeuvres including ahi tuna tartare, chicken sate skewers, bruschetta, crab cakes and local artisanal cheeses."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/logout?blogid=14&entry_id=28608

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 29, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Shame on people for believing more lies from these liars.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

McLier?
McBush?
McSame?
McFalsestatement?
McLost?
McOld?
McMisdirectrion?

Which is he?

Oh, McAlloftheabove

Posted by: Ugh | July 29, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Someone can't refute JakeD's arguments so has to impersonate his name in the thread; nice. I wouldn't expect much different from Obama supporters which consist mostly of kids and modern liberals. Modern liberals follow their new religion Idealist Eutopia and have lost the independence, open mindedness, and toleranace of real liberals its sad. The same thing has happened with neo-cons taking over the republican party.

It's ok though most of the kids on this thread will eventually move out of mommy's house, get a real job and then turn into republicans, independents, or moderate democrats as they realized they have been tricked into becoming a left wing nutjob by liberal education.

Posted by: Cryos | July 29, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Its Blowback Time For His Majesty Arrogant
Democrat Messiah Barack Hussein Obama for
Obama not visiting our wounded troops in
Germany and the start of a major drop in
the polls that now show Republican Senator
John McCain ahead by four points already
prove how disgusted with phony Obama the
voters are over Barack Hussein Obama's
Blattant Open Attempt To Use & Exploit
our Wounded Troops in a US Military Hospital by Obama turning it into a damn
another endless Obama photo op is why Obama
poll numbers are dropping like rocks. As
Barack Obama is unfit to be Commander in
Chief of our US Military and President,so
once again the Dumbarse Democrats and DNC
Chairman Howard Dean,Madame Speaker Fruitcake Nancy Pelosi,Harebrain Harry Reid
Windsurfer John Kerry,and DWI Teddy Kennedy
have picked a Real Loser In Obama! NOBAMA!

Posted by: Claudine 1000 | July 29, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

pj451:

You wouldn't be hoping for McCain to die before November, would you?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

When does "repeating what political pundits say on FOX NEWS, the Washington Post, and MSNBC" who were not in Germany or in the campaign constitute the truth?

It is amazing how the media fondles McCain and his idiot talking points. I'm tired of hearing about McCain's efforts to paint Obama as unpatriotic and the mainstream attempts to assist McCain by repeating his false statements.

How about focusing on the number one issue polled among Americans, the ECONOMY?!?!
All this other side stuff is B.S.!

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | July 29, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

... "It is safe to say that according to press reports Barack Obama avoided, skipped, canceled the visit because of those reasons," Bounds said.

A masterpiece of dissembling. This guy is angling for Karl Rove's spot. Here we have Faux News serving as the generator of putrescence, Bounds merely repeats the canard. Even after the truth has been told, the lie is regurgitated by Bounds.

The only antidote to this kind of thing is a free press. Keep reporting the truth, eventually people will figure it out, and come November, the Republican Party will be hammered so far into the ground it will have to reach up to touch bottom.

Posted by: DanPatrick | July 29, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

All Obama had to do was go to the hospital alone. No need to tell anyone. Lots of people do good things everyday in this country and you never find out because they ask that their names not be mentioned. That Obama could not go to the hospital alone, says a lot about Obama. Obama apologists who keep trying to explain it away should hang their heads in shame. Not only would I have gone, I would have asked no pictures be taken and just a simple press release saying I visited the troops. That is all Obama had to do. For shame.

Posted by: Rick | July 29, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama canceled a pre-planned visit to the troops in Germany yesterday after being told by the Pentagon that the trip would violate a Pentagon policy prohibiting campaign stops on military installations. No problem there.
However, the McCain campaign is now blasting Obama:


The McCain camp has nonetheless been using Obama's canceled trip to insinuate that he's anti-troops. "Barack Obama is wrong," McCain spokesperson Brian Rogers said in a statement yesterday. "It is never 'inappropriate' to visit our men and women in the military."
The problem here is that the McCain campaign was denied a visit to a military base under the same policy back in April. Of course, there was no outcry or false outrage from Brian Rogers at that time.

From CNN April 3,2008

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/03/mccain.pentagon/index.html

understand that the McCain campaign is disorganized and pathologically clueless when it comes to utilizing the media, but they're clearly being dishonest in this case. McCain is demonstrably criticizing Obama for following a Pentagon rule to which the McCain campaign itself has been subjected recently. That's a fact. So this seems to be a simple cheap shot at Obama, in the hopes that the media won't be internet savvy enough (i.e., able to use Google) to figure out the whole story.

"We follow the rules," Steve Schmidt from the McCain campaign said.

Exactly. And they have no problem attacking Obama for doing the same. That's the very definition of "double standard."

http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=7AD1D0A88640769F77F489ADCA7155EF?diaryId=1671

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

There were many things that Obama did on his trip that the reporters didn't go to...just ask Andrea Mitchell! You are basing your argument on the fact that you can't imagine that the reporters would stay on the plane...not very convincing to me. Or fact based.

And if Obama was going to the hospital, it wouldn't just be the Obama campaign that would know about it. People would need to know to allow the plane to land, first of all. There would have to be all sorts of preperations for security for him to come. People standing outside doesn't automatically convict the Obama campaign, sorry to burst your bubble.

Posted by: Chandler | July 29, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain has been caught out in a bald, clear cut lie. He is using the wounded soldiers of an unnecessary war for political gain. It is about time that the media covering the campaign report the truth about this and call down shame on his head.

McCain's insistence on this blatent lie is simultaneously shocking and inept. He reveals himself to be not equipped mentally, morally, or temperamentally to be president of the United States.

McCain's behavior in this campaign sickens and saddens me.

Posted by: dee | July 29, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Masha:

I believe that Jake Tapper was on the plane too. Did you see my post about the media "not being told" about his visit to the Western Wall?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Desperate attacks by a senile old man and his hangers on. Heck, Bob Novak has a better chance of surviving past November than McBush does. HAAAAAA

Posted by: pj451 | July 29, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an ugly little troll.

Posted by: Arny | July 29, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The Financial Times

"Mr McCain's tax and spending proposals would add an estimated $3,400bn to the US deficit over the next decade compared with an estimated $700bn deficit reduction from Mr Obama's plans, according to the Tax Policy Center, an independent think-tank."

Obama holds bipartisan economy talks
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e23cc97c-5cfa-11dd-8d38-000077b07658.html

McCain's Small-Business Bunk
He claims 23 million small-business owners would pay higher tax rates under Obama. He's wrong. The vast majority would see no change, and many would get a cut.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/146210


John McCain claimed today that he is determined to ensure "equal pay for equal work." But women's groups were quick to point out that the presumptive Republican nominee has announced his opposition to the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act which seeks to do exactly that.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/07/mccain_on_equal_pay.html

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Why, I almost feel liberal after I have eaten prunes. Before - nothing, just the same old unchanging conservative pressure in my bowels, punctuated by progressively louder and smellier explosions. But after - MoveOn.org, baby!

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama screwed up. He should of gone alone but he clearly was never intending to bring the press. McCain is also lying and exploiting the issue. Hard to say how this will play out.

Posted by: Jeremy | July 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Another McLame LIE, in his new commercial:

The Democrats are supposedly unilaterally banning ALL domestic drilling.

WRONG. The Democrats have not banned all domestic drilling. Big Oil is sitting on 9000 drilling leases that are already okayed.

The moratoriums on drilling offshore and ANWAR are both BIPARTISAN.

McLame is a LYING SACK OF CRAP, my friends.

Posted by: Tom3 | July 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Don't believe a single thing Robert Gibbs says, the guy is a B.S. Specialist (i.e., Campaign Communications Director).

This is the same guy that said back in 2003 that Dean was unqualified due to lack of foreign policy experience. If Dean wasn't, Obama is even less so.

The Obama campaign is starting to set off a lot of folks' B.S. detectors.

Posted by: Not buying it Obama | July 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I hate Osama, I mean Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall anyone raising a stink about McCain not visiting the wounded troops when he was in Europe in March...true he wasn't in Germany, but he was in Paris, and it is physically closer to the hospital than Berlin is.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

James McDouglas:

Care to answer MY question to you about this topic: Is it "negative" to point out that Barack Obama, in fact, did not personally visit wounded troops in Germany?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

I'm surprised that you are relying on outdated articles (7/24 and 7/25, respectively). Journalists who were actually on the plane (see, e.g., Andrea Mitchell and Jeff Zeleny) have stated emphatically over the past couple of days that the media were never going to be along on the visit to the hospital.

This is silliness. People who are buying into this tripe WANT to believe the worst of Senator Obama.

Posted by: Masha | July 29, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

The innuendo is that Obama cares so little for "Our Troops" that he skipped a visit to wounded soldiers in a hospital. In fact, the Pentagon notified the Obama campaign very late that it was concerned that Obama might bring campaign staff with him to the hospital, which is apparently forbidden. Notice came after Senate staff had already departed the traveling scrum. To avoid a scene, the Obama campaign decided to cancel the visit. Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't. Facts matter so little to these political types. They believe voters can be manipulated into voting against their interests if only they are given a "good" reason to do so. Mr. "Support Our Troops" McCain has voted against troop supply money, time off for the troops, improved veterans benefits. He should be ashamed of himself. Congress routinely raids troop supply money to pour money into useless and expensive weapons systems built by favorite contractors/contributors.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | July 29, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the perversity of the McCain position is best summed up in Tucker Bounds quote:

"It is safe to say that according to press reports Barack Obama avoided, skipped, canceled the visit because of those reasons," Bounds said. "We're not making a leap here."

Notice that Mr. Bounds does not say it is okay to say that Senator Obama did not make the trip because of the reasons Senator McCain has given. He says that it is safe to say "THAT ACCORDING TO THE PRESS" Senator Obama didn't go for that reason.

It is a subtle change in context, but Mr. Bounds gets around the lie by simply putting the onus of the lie on the press that made the reports.

Fun stuff. Everyone should read these quotes as closely as possible to get through the many layers of BS...

Posted by: scott032 | July 29, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Why talk Obama's visit or lack of a visit to the troops when we can talk about someone we already know is a complete ass.

James Gordon Meek writes in the New York Daily News: "Vice President Cheney's invitation to address wounded combat veterans next month has been yanked because the group felt his security demands were Draconian and unreasonable.

"The veep had planned to speak to the Disabled American Veterans at 8:30 a.m. at its August convention in Las Vegas.

"His staff insisted the sick vets be sequestered for two hours before Cheney's arrival and couldn't leave until he'd finished talking, officials confirmed.

"'Word got back to us . . . that this would be a prerequisite,' said the veterans executive director, David Gorman, who noted the meeting hall doesn't have any rest rooms. 'We told them it just wasn't acceptable.'

"When Cheney spoke to the group in 2004, his handlers imposed the same stringent security lockdown, upsetting members, officials said.

"Many of the vets are elderly and left pieces of themselves on foreign battlefields since World War II, and others were crippled by recent service in Iraq and Afghanistan. For health reasons, many can't be stuck in a room for hours."

Johanna Neumann blogs for the Los Angeles Times that Cheney press secretary Megan Mitchell tried to dispute the Daily News story. Mitchell wrote in an e-mail: "My understanding is a staff member recommended that audience participants arrive two hours prior to the start of the event to ensure that everyone had ample time to make it through security. We did not request that the event begin at 8:30 in the morning. That was the time proposed by DAV in their letter dated June 5, 2008."

Meek responds in his blog: "Wow, sounds like a whopping confirmation to us."

Posted by: Washington DC | July 29, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain. A damned liar. Angry. Arrogant. Prejudiced. Senile and RACIST! He stinks!!!!

Posted by: FedUp | July 29, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

It is sad that McCain has slipped into the say anything at anytime to win mode. What he doesn't understand is there is a ground swell in the US off the radar and off the polls that is going to defeat him in the fall.

Posted by: hmmmmmer | July 29, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Message from the simulacrum:

There is no getting away from some facts no matter how you want to spin them. And that is just what these attacks are, an attempt to get away from some facts. Kind of like somebody caught in a lie that responds by getting angry and accusing somebody else of wrong-doing. Even though it was all there fault.

1. McCain's own trip got almost no media attention and Obama clearly outshined and upstaged him.

2. The Iraq government and the Bush administration now both endorse Obama's position of a time table, even is they call it a Horizon. Oh, and now McCain thinks it is a good idea as well, but don't talk about that. It's all about not visiting troops.

3. Europeans cannot stand our current administration. Bush and the neocons have extremely damaged our international standing in the world. Obama clearly showed that the world sees Obama as able to change that image. That he can dramatically improve our relations. McCain and Bush must hate that.

4. Obama showed that he has the chops to take on diplomacy with the world's leaders. His trip went perfect and he threaded a very narrow needle's eye.

5. Bush now has opened up direct negotiations with Iran. Something Obama has promoted and they (and McCain) said was appeasement. Now it is diplomacy.

6. Obama had the presence and fortitude to go overseas and engage leaders without making this campaign funded trip into something it shouldn't be. Bush's comments on appeasement before the Israel parliament show how politics should stop at the waters edge. Obama did just that.

7. Obama took on McCain and kicked his behind. Spanked him good. McCain challenged Obama to go overseas. He did that with style, grace, and was VERY presidential. He was the stateman to such a degree that people accused him of overstepping and taking a premature victory lap.. Just because he looked SO good doing it.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 29, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

And I LOOOOOVE prunes. They keep me regular!

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

And I LOOOOOVE prunes. They keep me regular!

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

And I LOOOOOVE prunes. They keep me regular!

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Time to stop living in the past and move on.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | July 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

the thought of McCain as President makes me sick. there were plenty of brave men and women that served in Nam. Those people have not sucked off the public like this old disgusting man. you want to prove yourself, McCain? empty out your bank account and give all the money you have sucked out of America

Posted by: sardony | July 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

That was the fake JakeD at 5:22 PM. I don't mind being the only one defending McCain, because I know that I would be attacking McCain if he had made this kind of mistake.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm enjoying "The JakeD Show"...he is as desperate and blathering as his candidate!

Posted by: BobS | July 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's List of Lies:

We know that he lied about not writing letters to the FCC to benefit one of his campaign contributors;
We know that he lied when he said that he never asked for nor received a single earmark;
We know that he lied about privatizing Social Security;
During the primaries, he lied about his potential running mate, Romney on more than one occasion;
Over the past week, he lied about Obama and visiting the troops. In fact, his new ad on this is also a lie.
He lied this week (again) about not using the word "timetable";
He lied about his admission that he is the damn fool when it comes to the economy;
His campaign lied about oil spills after Hurricane Katrina;
He lied about his voting record when questioned by a veteran about it;
He recently lied to either a child or to conservative bloggers about immigration;
He lied about his POW experience (i.e., Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Green Bay Packers), and while this isn't as big a deal to me, it should be raised if stupid petty nonsense about Obama gets raised.
Of course his wife Cindy lied about her recipes for cookies when she stole them from Family Circle magazine. Of course, stealing is something that she knows well, as she also stole painkillers from a veteran's charity that she was in charge of.
He lied recently to FoxNews about a Town Hall event they were working together on;
He lied about decreasing oil prices being because Bush lifted the offshore drilling ban;
He has lied about Obama's and Clinton's health care proposals;
He lied about his position on Bosnia and Kosovo in trying to prove his credentials;
He lied about Clinton and Obama's comments regarding renegotiating NAFTA;
He lied about his opting into public financing when it was convenient for him to opt back out;
He lied a few months back about Iran-Contra.
He lied about his involvement (not sexual but political) with Iseman and her firm.

Posted by: James McDouglas | July 29, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The blabber spewing from McSame as his campaign circles about the bowl is really pathetic.

It's time to give the tough jobs back to the smart people.

Obama - by default

Posted by: TW | July 29, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm really not as big of a racist as you all think I am. Just average.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Do you think John McCain has a little problem with women?

John McCain made this odious joke about Chelsea Clinton back in 98.

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."

----Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.

I managed to dig up this gem from his 1986 race for US Senate, as quoted in the Tucson Citizen:

Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, 'Where is that marvelous ape?'

I find rape jokes are always a sign of class, don't you?

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 29, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

If Obama called off the trip BECAUSE the media could not be there, then who is the one "abusing the troops by making them a political tactic"? Obama or McCain for pointing out the truth. People, if McCain had done the exactly same thing as Obama, would you be defending it?!

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - There are legitimate questions. It seems likely that this was a matter of appearances. One could even say that Obama made a poor decision as a direct inquiry about Obama visiting alone or with a staff member (not campaign staff) might have been met with a positive answer. However, to claim he canceled the visit because they wouldn't let him take cameras is a flat out lie.

I respect John McCain and would have voted for him in a heartbeat in 2000. I don't even recognize this guy.

Masha - with regards to Jake, it's both.

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | July 29, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain's attacks on Obama so far have only succeeding in depicting the candidate as an old man yelling "get off my lawn" to kids. Perhaps the McCain campaign should start to develop a positive argument for why he should be president. Give McCain some quick computer training so he can say "I DO know how use the internet", and get him an economic plan that includes an energy strategy and a focus on cutting government budget and trade deficts.

Posted by: John | July 29, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain is short changing the troops by turning them into political pawns.

McCain's comments and behavior are reprehensible and has proved himself to be a selfish desperate demagogue creating a big brew ha ha where there is none.

If anyone has short changed the troops it is the administration for sending them into that god awful war unprepared along with everyone who authorized the action in the first place.

The Obama explanation was reasonable and should have been the end of the story.

Posted by: lari | July 29, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Will everyone just STOP picking on me? I KNOW, I'm the only McCain supporter, or at least the only one that has any idea about correct English grammar and spelling, but that does NOT give you the right to always HARP on me, like I am supposed to be able to explain all of McCain's contradictory statements and senior moments. (I'm no spring chicken myself!) The McCain campaign has assured me that it doesn't matter because no one will vote for Obama anyway because he's a black liberal. But they don't have to come here every day and post logically indefensible NONSENSE, and have to back it up! It just gets me so angry, but I'm left to rattle my walker and push the 'call' bell over and over again. Then, when Nurse Kate comes, I can't make her understand what I'm saying because my teeth are still in the glass in the bathroom, and by the time I'm able to swing my legs over the side of the bed to get them, I always have another accident, and by the time Kate has cleaned me off, I'm too embarrassed to discuss politics any more. You see my problem.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

It's official.

McCain is a LIAR.

Another question I'd like McCain to answer for is:

He says he's got a "secret plan" to catch Bin Laden.

Uhhhh. OK. But if a sitting senator has a plan that he says will for sure work (and he did)... then why isn't the current president looking over that plan and either initiating it or rejecting it?

How can John McCain pretend to be anything but a traitor to this country if he's withholding a sure fire plan to catch the world's second biggest criminal... all just to win a political contest.

Either he's a liar... or a traitor.

Take your pick.

Posted by: James McDouglas | July 29, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November. We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest.

The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role.

The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%.

Inflation is in double digits. Employment is falling.

The Republican economy in the 21st century has been unable to create net new jobs for Americans except for low wage domestic services such as waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and hospital orderlies.

Republican deregulation brought about fraud in mortgage lending and dangerous financial instruments which have collapsed the housing market, leaving a million or more homeowners facing foreclosure. The financial system is in disarray and might collapse from insolvency.

The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world.

The US can no longer finance its wars or its own government and relies on foreign loans to function day to day. To pay for its consumption, the US sells its existing assets--companies, real estate, toll roads, whatever it can offer--to foreigners.

Republicans have run roughshod over the US Constitution, Congress, the courts and civil liberties. Republicans have made it perfectly clear that they believe that our civil liberties make us unsafe--precisely the opposite view of our Founding Fathers. Yet, Republicans regard themselves as the Patriotic Party.

The Republicans have violated the Nuremberg prohibitions against war crimes, and they have violated the Geneva Conventions against torture and abuse of prisoners. Republican disregard for human rights ranks with that of history's great tyrants.

The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state, which they have no problem using against fellow citizens!

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for any of us!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

This is just the beginning, it will get more surreal. McCain is so outclassed, it's laughable. Other than race, he's got nothing; sadly, that may be enough. For the sake of our country I hope I'm wrong. Anyway, McCain is like the flailing drowning man.

Posted by: castillom | July 29, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Chandler:

Obama indeed visited Walter Reed without reporters, but that was completely different from taking reporters with you on the plane, but supposedly planning to tell them "You can't come to the hospital." Do you really believe that was going to happen?

Did you know that the Western Wall visit did not appear on the Obama schedule nor had it been officially anounced by the campaign, but dozens of people were still waiting for him -- taking pictures broadcast around the world -- apparently tipped off by SOMEONE in the campaign.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Obama visited Veterans hospitals without cameras in the DAYS before this makes McCain's attempts seem desperate.

McCain has lost his integrity. He is abusing the troops by making them a political tactic. Very shameful.

Posted by: Chandler | July 29, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

James McDouglas:

Same question.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

nclwtk:

Is it "negative" to point out that Barack Obama, in fact, did not personally visit wounded troops in Germany? Because, if you think even that is "negative" you probably think it's "racist" as well.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

There's no question.

McCain's an angry, mentally unbalanced, arrogant liar... and the prototypical flip flopper. Always has been.

The only people it's news to are the ones who have been lying about this whole maverick garbage from day one. If flip flopping is being a maverick, then John Kerry and John McCain are brothers in flop.

Posted by: James McDouglas | July 29, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 5:07 PM:

What, exactly, do you consider a "lie"? Let's start with Obama decided not to visit wounded troops in Germany -- regardless of "why" for the moment -- do you think that Obama did, in fact, visit said troops in person?

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Is this a real story - McCain makes up facts to support his view that he is superior and he knows how Obama should act. McCain continues to rant about Obama staying off message and acting like a cranky old man that has nothing to say about himself.
McCain is becoming the great negative candidate - pick pick pick but have nothing real to offer

Posted by: nclwtk | July 29, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Republicans can keep campaigning on lies.

And they'll continue to hemorrhage numbers in party identification.

Who wants to be a registered member of the "lying, short-sighted party that got us in this mess."

Liars and ignorant people. The new Republican voting bloc.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

As for Obama visiting Walter Reed without reporters, this is completely different from taking reporters with you on the plane, but supposedly planning to tell them "You can't come to the hospital." We all know that the Western Wall visit did not appear on the official schedule nor had it been anounced by the campaign, but dozens of people were still waiting for him -- taking pictures broadcast around the world -- apparently tipped off by SOMEONE in the campaign.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

More Republican Lies....is anyone shocked?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Well, wait a minute, maybe it was a different reporter I read who was there. But Jake Tapper has had the best coverage of people who were there first-hand. That's probably why I thought Jake Tapper was there: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/obama-scrubs-vi.html

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

phi:

Jake Tapper from ABC News was there and has been reporting. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5449455&page=2

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

alright this story has been floating around for days now and reporters--who were there and know first-hand what happened--finally speak up now? stop covering wild vp speculation and do your job. unbelievable.

Posted by: phi | July 29, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

thebob.bob:

There's "no proof that Obama ever sought to bring the media or any entourage" you mean, other than all the media and entourage on the plane, right? That "single military adviser" was not on his Senate staff and, therefore, was not allowed in (see highlighted quote from Pentagon spokesman below). You are one to talk after "hoping" that McCain dies from cancer.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"In fact, there's no proof that Obama ever sought to bring the media or any entourage."
"there is no evidence that Obama ever planned to bring anyone to the hospital other than a single military adviser".

The headlines should read, "McCain makes false claims against Obama".

False charges, distortions and innuendo. Welcome to Republican politics. He learned from the best after the Bushies did it to him. Remember the "fathering of mixed race children" smear in 2000?

More of the same from John McCain.

Posted by: thebob.bob | July 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

It's not nonsense. I think it's a legitimate question. The PENTAGON spokesman I've seen quoted most was Bryan Whitman -- who denied that the Pentagon had discouraged Obama from visiting the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center -- Obama was "absolutely" told he could visit the troops at Landstuhl, said Whitman.

However, the issue of his visit was dealt with by hospital officials and military officials in Europe familiar with Pentagon guidelines for visits to military installations by a political campaign.

Whitman said Obama is "certainly welcome to visit a military medical facility any time he wants to," as long as that visit was consistent with that of a sitting senator.

He added, "We do have certain policy guidelines for political campaigns and elections and what's appropriate and not appropriate in those situations. But, the Pentagon, to use your words, certainly did not tell the senator that he could not visit Landstuhl."

The spokesman said that because Obama is both a sitting senator and a political candidate, any visit to Landstuhl would have had to be undertaken within the restrictions that apply to both.

"When you are doing things like a visit to Landstuhl you need to do it in your sitting capacity or you have to do it within the restrictions that apply to any other candidate that might be running for office that is not a sitting senator. So you have to be able to draw those distinctions. Generally speaking the military tries very hard not to get involved in political campaigns."

According to Whitman, Senate staffers could have accompanied Obama, but not campaign staffers. "It would be appropriate to do that with your Senate staff and obviously not with your campaign staff." He added that it would be easy to differentiate the two, "either you work for the senator's staff or you work on the campaign staff, it's very different."

Any discussion of cameras or photographers accompanying Obama was "off the table," said Whitman, who stressed that because of privacy issues, no photography is allowed at Landstuhl.

Whitman noted that during his visit to Iraq, Obama visited a military medical facility, but did so under the auspices of his participation in a congressional delegation, a CODEL.

"There's a distinction that he was part of a CODEL for his visit to Iraq and Afghanistan, then he terminated his participation in the CODEL and then went off to do other things," said Whitman.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5449455&page=2

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: You do love to rile the masses!

As a matter of interest, do you really believe that fatuous nonsense, or is it just your sense of fun?

Posted by: Masha | July 29, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

So, the Obama campaign was planning to leave all the media stranded on the plane while he visited troops?! Come on, that doesn't even pass the laugh test.

In essence, the McCain charge is this: Obama cares so little for the welfare of wounded American soldiers that he canceled the visit when he was informed he could not bring media AND campaign entourage. He was more than welcome to visit, as long as he left those people behind. The rest is history.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I can't agree that it is "innuendos and nastiness" to point out the facts and that the most likely reason why Obama failed to visit the wounded troops in Germany is because of the lack of exposure with no media / campaign entourage.

Posted by: JakeD | July 29, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

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