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A Kerfuffle Over the "Cone of Silence"

Updated 6:50 p.m.
By Perry Bacon Jr. and Michael D. Shear
Responding to questions about whether Sen. John McCain had an unfair advantage over Sen. Barack Obama at Saturday's Saddleback forum, a spokesman for the Rev. Rick Warren said both candidates had an advance look at a few of the questions.

Spokesman A. Larry Ross said both candidates had agreed that McCain would not listen to Obama's interview, which came first by a coin-flip agreement. But Ross said Warren gave them both a sense of what to expect.

Warren provided McCain and Obama with the four subject areas, Ross said -- Leadership, Stewardship, World View, and International Compassion -- and provided them a sense of the themes he would ask about, including things like energy or taxes.

He also offered them three examples of questions he planned to ask: What is your greatest moral failure? What is America's greatest moral failure? Who are the three people you rely on for wise advice?

"He wanted to give them an idea of where he wanted to go with this," Ross said in an interview.

The interviews were billed as frank conversations to which the candidates were offering off-the-cuff answers. Several times during the broadcast, Warren referenced a "cone of silence" for McCain during Obama's interview.

Ross said these mentions came "with a chuckle" and were intended to reflect the basic agreement that McCain would not listen to Obama answering his questions.

"He said that metaphorically," Ross said. "There was no whirring glass bubble like Maxwell Smart or something like that. He was speaking to the integrity of the arrangement."

Ross said that arrangement included a Saddleback employee who had disconnected the live feed from the television in the green room where McCain stayed during most of Obama's interview.

"He literally disabled it. Even if someone tried to turn it on it wouldn't work," Ross said. He added that he was given assurances by the McCain campaign that McCain had not listened to the radio during the drive over to the church, while Obama was beginning his interview.

Despite those assurances, some bloggers raised the question about whether McCain got some advance notice that Obama did not, demanding to know what McCain knew and when he knew it.

And NBC political reporter Andrea Mitchell reported Sunday that Obama aides believed that McCain "may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama."

That prompted a furious response from the McCain campaign, which issued a blistering letter to the president of NBC News yesterday, accusing the network of bias for a report that suggested the senator from Arizona had violated the rules of Saturday's forum.

Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, wrote of Mitchell's report that "there is not one shred of evidence that it's true," saying that McCain was driving to the event, then "in a green room with no broadcast feed" during Obama's appearance.

"We are extremely disappointed to see that the level of objectivity at NBC News has fallen so low that reporters are now giving voice to unsubstantiated, partisan claims in order to under cut John McCain," Davis wrote to Steve Capus, in a letter the campaign released to other members of the press.

Tucker Bounds, a McCain spokesman, said the Arizona senator's aides did not watch him and tell the candidate which questions Obama was asked, either. An Obama spokesman declined to comment on the controversy.

The McCain campaign continued to channel the controversy throughout the day. In an email Monday evening on another topic, Bounds started his statement with the phrase: "After being upstaged at the Saddleback Compassion Forum..."

The McCain attack on the media was not unusual for the campaign, which recently blasted the New York Times for not publishing an op-ed written by McCain on Iraq, after it had published one by Obama. The paper's editors say they objected to how the piece was written, but were open to having McCain revise it.

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Whenever you hear a liberal accuse somebody else of wrong doing. Rest assure that same liberal is guilty of the very same aspersions he has cast.

Posted by: cosadeech | August 19, 2008 4:11 PM

angriestdogintheworld,
And poor, naive Obama was stupid enough to go along with it? Democrats never play political games? Poor Clinton impeached for lying, but Scooter Libby rightly convicted of lying, Senator Stevens rightly accused of lying, etc. I seem to recall the Democrats went after Nixon with zealous glee. And Jefferson - he just likes his cash to be cold. If you're going to be angry, be angry at both sides, since the both play the same game. If you're partisan, then simply say "I'm a Democrat". Don't try to justify it by saying one side plays dirty and the other doesn't, it just hurts your credibility.

Posted by: MikeS | August 19, 2008 2:16 PM

all is fair in repug land... we learned that in the form of impeachment payback. It took the repugs 20 years to get in the position where they could impeach a President, and by hook and crook they caught a bumbling womanizer in a "lie". The point is they are the party of dirty tricksters and if you think for 1 second they did not orchestrate this whole thing along with the latest pretend moral leader, then you don't know repugs.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 19, 2008 1:31 PM

Getting back to the issue of the NBC report. Note that Mainstream Media (MSM) delayed reporting the John Edwards (D) affair because it was unsubstantiated; they needed confirmation and corroboration before even mentioning it. Now, NBC (a member of MSM) reports allegations of possible cheating against John McCain (R) without any confirmation, corroboration, or substantiation. Get the picture?

Posted by: MikeS | August 19, 2008 12:03 PM

I am finally glad that McCain showed through. He answers from the heart. I disagree with him on certain things, but I commend him for his candor.

Obama is a socialist. It's tough for them to win votes when they want to raise taxes, redistribute wealth, increase the size of government, etc...and they actually say they'll do it. So, they skirt the question.

Facts are facts : if we all get $319 in tax breaks and the rich get $300,000 - good for them. I hope to be like them...not punish them. And...if Obama and his crowd really believed their lies, they'd give more of their money to gov't. Ever ask why they take deductions? They're taking money away from the government by doing so.

The definition of a liberal - someone that likes to be generous with EVERYONE ELSES money.

I want less government in my life. Strong military, excellent infrastructure, and opportunity. Not handouts, entitlements, nanny state government. Why do we pay people to sit on their butts while roads need fixed? That's insanity - but our liberal culture won't let us have an expectation of people...even when we pay them. Look at the unions in the auto industry for an example of that - and see what that gets you.

healthcare? Yup...I want it...so I make it a priority over cell phones and LCD tvs. But many in this country want a free ride. Problem is, government will really mess it up. At least now, I have a choice, and I can choose something really good if I CHOOSE to get off my butt and make it happen.


Posted by: MakeUsProud | August 19, 2008 11:45 AM

I was hoping Rick Warren would expand on the "family values" label Republicans like to claim for themselves. What phonies!
Here's a timely example: Ms. Perfect, Cindy McCain has repeatedly said she's an only child raised by her Dad who loved her very much. Turns out Cindy has two half-sisters, one from dad's and one from mom's first marriages. One sister -- Kathleen Hensley Portalski - lives in Phoenix and apparently is not happy at being pruned from Cincy's family tree. I know many will say "so what?" Isn't it hypocritical that Republicans preach about the Ten Commandments, but think nothing of committing adultery, bearing false witness, killing in wars, stealing in business, on and on and on?

Posted by: Duke | August 19, 2008 10:25 AM

Tin Foil Cup:

Just imagine when McCain wins the election?! I just hope there are not race riots.

Posted by: JakeD | August 19, 2008 10:03 AM

Wow. The Obama Tin Foil Caps come out when he doesn't come out on top.

Could it just have been McCain's day? Or the well established fact that Sen. Obama isn't so great off the cuff?

No, it must be because the other guy cheated.

You know, sometimes, someone is just better than the other guy. Put your sour grapes away and move on to a real issue.

Posted by: Tin Foil Cap | August 19, 2008 9:23 AM

Yeah, you know, that's what I like most about mccain, his honesty. SNARK!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 8:16 AM

McCain was in very rare (not usual for him or his style)form. McCain presented pure and simply as though he had an advantage and I believe he did.

In any event, I am satisfied that I see the differences in their styles and the preacher really was good.

I can't wait to see McCain's performance and, "crispness" during the debates. I think we are going to see a very big difference in McCains responses. I believe we will all see that he must have had an advantage during the Saddleback event.

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | August 19, 2008 5:08 AM

If Obama were not there. McCain would not draw that big of a crowd. McCain has touble filling a High School gym and he's about as exciting and inspiring as watching paint dry. Trust me. They may have applauded a bit more for the Republican (their Wingnut neighbors are watching, after all), but people could clearly see the difference between the two. Obama was great. McCain gave us Dems some more priceless sound bites.

Posted by: Johnny Rotten | August 19, 2008 12:26 AM

McCain didn't say anything that is going to gain him any voters. Obama, on the other hand, walked into the proverbial "lion's den" and acquitted himself well. The net result is that lukewarm conservatives/moderates who are not big McCain supporters may be may be willing to take a chance with Obama.

I'll start honoring John McCain's service to this country - just as soon as he stops dishonoring it.

Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | August 19, 2008 12:23 AM

No one is going to change their vote according to what happened at Saddleback.

Obama had to go so that McCain would go and the whole thing would become an "event."

What is now available is "fresh" McCain on film and tape right before Labor Day. McCain screwed up his first marriage. McCain will be a "pro-life" President. McCain would get to choose Supreme Court justices and even "moderates" need not apply. McCain keeps changing who he listens to for advice. And the great money quote: Being rich starts at a $5 million dollar income.

McCain was McCain without Lieberman or Graham to fix his political mistakes.

I'm going with the Cokie Roberts Rule: Now that it's out there, it can be talked about.

There must be several Obama campaign leaders in meetings right now saying, "Well, we've got this and this and this to work with now and he can't back away from it."


Posted by: astrall99 | August 19, 2008 12:20 AM

"Meanwhile in McCain land..."I will defeat it." "

This is how a real man answers.

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 19, 2008 12:19 AM

"Obama's answer was full of actual adult statements"

Above his pay grade is a cop-out. He is a fake.

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 19, 2008 12:18 AM

Obama used nuance and gave thoughtful answers. McCain on the other end of the spectrum, gave short thoughtless answers (some even stolen from others). When the question about evil came up, Obama's answer was full of actual adult statements and details and how its not a yes or no, black or white, good or bad scenario. Meanwhile in McCain land..."I will defeat it." "We need to drill and drill NOW!" He sounded like a moron. Answers were terrible it was if he consulted Bush before going out there.

Posted by: Billw is a male impersonater | August 19, 2008 12:07 AM

Obama must realize by now he is in over his head. The abortion question was too much for him and he still has to do three real debates with McCain. One would feel sorry for him, but he isn't worth it.


Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 18, 2008 11:45 PM

Catherine: "why Warren didn't even probe into McCain's grotesque moral failings is beyond me."

Lucky for you he didn't probe into OBAMA'S moral failings. 20 years of exposing his children to Wright's hate, abiding Wright's praise of Farrahkan, associating with Ayers (the unreformed terrorist), the Rezko land deal, calling his grandmother a "typical white woman" and more. The man has no morals at all.


Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 18, 2008 11:37 PM

McCain answered clearly and quickly because the questions were not tough. He simply stated what he felt. Any candidate who cannot anticipate the questions likely to be asked at a forum sponsored with a religious color to it, is not ready for prime time politics. It is great when life is scripted as it always is for Senator Obama, but lets remember Senator McCain has been around a long time and knows what the issues are. He simply came more prepared. Now like children, Senator Obama's staff is asserting that someone cheated. Get over it. McCain was ready, Obama was not. To answer a question about when life begins with "that's above my pay grade" is insulting and evidence of poor preparation. McCain's experience in Vietnam showed he was gutsy and a man of faith. He under threat of torture still held prayer services. You don't have to like him, but he is a man of guts and experience and a man with grit like that is worth voting for. As for NBC. they and other networks are merely reporting rumor. That is not good reporting. It is playing into childish whining by Senator Obama's staff.

Posted by: Bill Donahue | August 18, 2008 10:42 PM

Sorry, but speaking as a political junkie, I am not buying the story of McCain not being coached at the very least, or flat out watching the Q&A on some type of wireless device in the green room.

The guy can't deliver prepackaged comments, let alone answer random questions well on a broad range of subjects.

Calling BS on you John! I would like to hear him flatly deny knowing the subject matter before he came on stage. But that will never happen.

Posted by: Susan | August 18, 2008 10:11 PM

As one who watched the Saddleback forum yesterday, I was very impressed with the realness that Barack Obama handled his questions.
In contrast, I was troubled (as one who attended services at Saddleback in the late 1980s), by the lack of honesty and humanity displayed by John McCain during his session with Pastor Rick Warren.
The news media may dwell on McCain's friendly reception (remember Saddleback is in Southern Orange County, long a hotbed for right-wing Republicanism), but I was still very troubled by some answers McCain gave-- responses that provided even further proof that the Straight Talk Express has gone into the ditch well off the superhighway with engine burning, tires all shot, and all the passengers (including his media apologists) still inside.

McCain's sawed-off answer he gave to Warren about his biggest moral failure.
His answer about what he called his "failed marriage" left out too much to be credible, given how he cheated on his first wife after his first wife stood by him during his years as a POW. Did he forget that part of the marriage vow was to be faithful to his wife "in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer, for better or worse, til death do you part" when he abandoned his first wife and married his second while still married to his first?

It's very troubling that Warren failed to probe McCain further on this.
Another answer that troubled me was his answer to Warren's question about the smartest persons he ever knew.
While Barack Obama was very much himself when he named his wife, Michelle, as among the smartest, McCain blurted out, "General David Petraeus." and then defended his support for the failed Bush war of choice in Iraq.

I guess his current trophy wife, Cindy (for lack of a better description) didn't deserve the same recognition Obama gave his Michelle, and that brings up why Warren failed to ask McCain about his offering his wife like a piece of meat for a beauty contest in Sturgis, S.D., in which contestants performed sexually suggestive acts to win the contest.
I wonder how far more mute McCain's reception would have been if he were really forced to defend the circumstances surrounding his divorce and his gross misconduct at Sturgis.

I realize southern Orange County where Saddleback Church is located is a solid Republican area (and has been as long as I remember), but why Warren didn't even probe into McCain's grotesque moral failings is beyond me.

I was (and continue to be) very impressed with Barack Obama's honesty and transparency, and even more importantly his refusal to back down from his principles even in the face of a pro-Republican crowd. The same can't be said of John McCain, who seemed all to willing to pander to his sympathetic audience and tell them what they wanted to hear instead of what they needed to know.

The John McCain I saw lacks the principles, judgment, and integrity, not to mention the intelligence, to be president. Barack Obama once again showed how strong he stands by his principles and also has the judgment and integrity the presidency requires.

The news media may want to cheer their boy (McCain), but as far as I am concerned, John McCain is not to even be considered seriously for any post, whether president or dog catcher.

Posted by: Catherine | August 18, 2008 9:37 PM

McCain is a flat out liar...
McCain was in a church, saying all the "right answers," talking war...while cheating. McCain is not a "maverick", not honorable, not really so comfortable talking about faith, not sharp.
He showed that he's Willing to Lie and Cheat in a House of Worship, if it means winning the presidency.


Did McCain break the cone of silence?
Here's some more "staight-talk" from the "Low Road Express"...my friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpVJqmXH30I

Posted by: Bu$h Wacked | August 18, 2008 9:30 PM

McCain didn't win that forum. He just played to a group that was already supporting him. I live in OC. I wanted to attend the event. As soon as it was announced, I checked online and the Saddleback Church site said "General Public Ticket Information avaialbe soon." A few days later it said "..tickets available August 4." On August 4, it said ... tickets available August 13." On August 13, I could not get to a computer until a little after 10:00 am, and the site said: General Public Tickets Sold Out." Only people connected with the Church attended that event, and they are already predisposed to support McCain.

Posted by: bgjd1979 | August 18, 2008 8:47 PM

About that "cross in the sand" story, assuming its true, isn't everyone sick of hearing it. Every time anyone ask McCain about his religious belief, he trots out that old chestnut. He is like the great- uncle at the family reunion who keeps telling the same old, lame stories over and over again until no one wants to even be in the same room with him. If that is the only religious experience he ever had, I would think truly devout people would be a little concerned.

Posted by: BGJD1979 | August 18, 2008 8:35 PM

I wonder if John knows his "only-child" wife has 2 half-sisters? What's with these family-value Republicans anyway? They can't seem to remember they're married or how many are in their own families!

Posted by: Bob W. | August 18, 2008 8:31 PM

Hey Jake, I'll guaranty no thermo-nuclear war during Obama administration. If I'm wrong, I'm dead (And so is everyone else.) Some of us just think someone a little more thoughtful than Sen. "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb" McCain might make thermo-nuclear war less likely.

Posted by: BGJD1979 | August 18, 2008 8:28 PM

The Obamabots have to find excuses why their guy did so bad last night.

It really doesn't matter if McCain heard Obama or not.

Obama "did himself in" with "that's above my PAYGRADE." Nice answer for someone wanting to be president.

So because he answered so poorly, the Obamabots have to make excuses.

McCain was consistent with his answers and they weren't any different than what he has said many time in the past.

McCain didn't change his answers because of what Obama said. Who would want to imitate Obama's bad performance?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 8:22 PM

tanaS:

Can you guarantee there would be no thermonuclear war under an Obama Presidency?

Posted by: JakeD | August 18, 2008 8:19 PM

john Complain has no complaints about Saturday's Q & A at Warren's Mega-Church-Of -Christ. He knew what the questions that would be asked, and of course, he was much more comfortable with the setting. But what will America look like if Complain gets the Presidency? With his very-hot temper he will start a thermo-nuclear war. He's 72, and he has a Hiterlian Complex. Since he cannot live much longer he wants to destroy everything around him. Watch out for this DANGEROUS man!

Posted by: tanaS | August 18, 2008 8:01 PM

Everybody, grow up. Name calling and false accusations won't make a bit a difference. The true colors of each candidate will soon come to light, in spite of the media and the silly comments. The forum did tell us quite a bit about each candidate. I hope that each of us will open our eyes and see who the best leader really is. Our country needs a strong, proven leader.

Posted by: Mark F. | August 18, 2008 7:47 PM

"McCain is a big baby"

McCain wrecks fighter planes.
Obama wrecks his friends (like throwing them under the bus)

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 18, 2008 7:28 PM


Did Obama arrive 1/2 hour late for Wright's sermons?

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 18, 2008 7:17 PM

flesh (or Bemused):

Care to point out the exact quote you think McCain (or Warren) "lied" about him listening to the questions posed to Obama?

Posted by: JakeD | August 18, 2008 7:16 PM

A lying preacher and a lying Republican presidential candidate I thought Rick Warren was above this type of behavior but since McCain was obviously not even in the building it leaves the question of integrity wide open and this will only hurt Rick Warren everyone else knows McCain is full of crap.

Posted by: Bemused | August 18, 2008 7:08 PM


JakeD: "Take your pick: 1) McCain is senile, or 2) McCain can remember all the questions (and answers) Rick Warren asked Obama? "

Flip-flopping like their hero..

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 7:04 PM


flesh:
Crosses in the sand or abiding kudos to Farrahkan, take your pick.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 7:02 PM

McCain started off with a lie right out of the box.

So in front of a religous crowd, McCain answers the first question (how was the cone of silence?) with a lie. McCain never mentions God or Jesus once. When McCain answered what it means to be a Christian, he give a self-serving POW answer about crosses in the sand...

Posted by: flesh | August 18, 2008 6:59 PM

Billw:

Thanks for the "heads up".

ArchieinAtlanta:

Take your pick: 1) McCain is senile, or 2) McCain can remember all the questions (and answers) Rick Warren asked Obama?

Posted by: JakeD | August 18, 2008 6:58 PM


"Hey you wanker... you haven't done anything on here today but get your arse handed to you"

Keep your hand's off my arse..... My wife takes care of that.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 6:56 PM


"geriatric senile old man (McCain)"

Did you exert to come up with that?

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 6:53 PM

Hey you wanker, you sure have an awful lot of time on your hands, if you're getting paid for your pathetic contributions here then your RNC overlords should ask for their money back because you haven't done anything on here today but get your arse handed to you...

-----------------------

Hey dude, don't you know name-calling is a trademark of the loser. You can join the Obama in november...


Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 6:47 PM

Posted by: Your Worst Nightmare | August 18, 2008 6:52 PM


JakeD,

The Obamites are calling names, note.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 6:50 PM

Hey Rick Davis...want cheese with your whine?
You f-ing loser.

Go back to doing what you do best, lobbying and lying, cheating and brown nosing for your geriatric senile old man (McCain).

Posted by: ArchieinAtlanta | August 18, 2008 6:49 PM


"Enjoy your life as a 4th Party Gadfly, Billyboy, because that what's going to happen to you psychopaths come Jan 2009."

Hey dude, don't you know name-calling is a trademark of the loser. You can join the Obama in november...


Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 6:47 PM

PA:

Which "rule" stated that McCain could not arrive 1/2 hour late?

Posted by: JakeD | August 18, 2008 6:46 PM

They're freaking out because they understand that this goes to McSame's CHARACTER. If he's willing to dupe his base by pretending to be in some sort of "cone of silence" so he's not prepped ahead of time with his answers, he's probably willing to dupe them about his faith, his philosophy and his promise to "protect the unborn" - in otherwords, he's a f'ng LIAR and this proves it.

Of course, all Rethuglicans are liars. It's what they do to "win." They feel it's fine to lie, cheat and steal to retain their superiority over the masses. It's their birthright, you see. Exposing their lies is counterproductive to their agenda and they will make all those who do say pay as much as possible for questioning the status quo.

Posted by: Phil Gramm | August 18, 2008 6:44 PM

Vicki:

Rick Warren was 1) befuddled, and/or 2) he lied, and/or 3) McCain didn't listen to the questions anyway so what's the big deal?

Posted by: JakeD | August 18, 2008 6:42 PM

I knew it wouldn't be long before the nutty Wingnuts would start race baiting.

They've got nothing this year and they know it.

Enjoy your life as a 4th Party Gadfly, Billyboy, because that what's going to happen to you psychopaths come Jan 2009.

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If so, at least he ain't deaf. Obama heard no racist or Anti-American comments from wright...

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 6:31 PM

Posted by: ace mcfunkenstein | August 18, 2008 6:37 PM

Does the McCain camp deny that McCain was not at the church under the control of Rick Warren's people to insure that he could not have access to the questions, or not? If he was not, people can draw their own conclusions, especially in light of the moment when McCain asked Warren if he had gotten to the Supreme Court question yet. It comes down to the fact that the saintly Rick Warren was either befuddled or he lied, and that if McCain was not in the building, he would have had the opportunity to listen to the questions. All in all, these professions of innocence, and the McCain is an honorable POW pledge just don't pass the smell test.

Posted by: Vicki Iseman | August 18, 2008 6:34 PM


"MCCAIN WAS IN ONE OF HIS CAMPAIGN WORKERS CAR'S WHERE HE COULD AND DID LISTEN IN TO WARREN'S QUESTIONS TO SENATOR OBAMA."

If so, at least he ain't deaf. Obama heard no racist or Anti-American comments from wright...

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 6:31 PM


ODE TO OBAMA OPUS 2

The honeymoon is over with Obama...
It's the end of a poorly written drama.
He's becoming a clown...
So his ship will go down,
And his supporters can run home to their momma.


Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 6:29 PM

MCCAIN IS A FLAT OUT LIAR!


MCCAIN LIED TO RICK WARREN
MCCAIN WAS IN ONE OF HIS CAMPAIGN WORKERS CAR'S WHERE HE COULD AND DID LISTEN IN TO WARREN'S QUESTIONS TO SENATOR OBAMA.


Also, MCCAIN'S GUN SOLDIER/CROSS IN THE DIRT STORY WAS A LIE, it happened to Solzhenitsyn, it was his story-it happened to him not MCCAIN!
.
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/the-evidence-th.html
.

Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | August 18, 2008 6:26 PM


WCW, Patterson NJ,

In the forum Obama was quite gross,
On abortion he didn't come close.
His pay-grade's too low
For him ever to know...
But voting showed his view to be morose.


Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 6:25 PM

NBC is missing the real story. Has anyone asked McCain why his campaign manager counseled his clients, the Georgian government, to get tough with the Russian-backed separatists? How would John McCain benefit from hundreds of Georgians being killed during the Russian invasion of Georgia?

Posted by: thebob.bob | August 18, 2008 6:17 PM

McCain, having convinced American's that selling more leases for offshore drilling will solve the energy crisis (even though there are no rigs to do said drilling and the oil companies already HAVE existing contracts that they've not explored and any meager price reductions will be fleeting and not materialize for close to a decade) John McCain is stepping up efforts to make the most of his issue advantage by rolling out a platform that suggest offshore drilling as the solution to EVERY American problem this election cycle.

Faced with obvious skepticism regarding this claim, the McCain camp quickly released the below map, showing the actual location of all his "American Solutions for America Wells"...

http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg10/JeffLieber/?action=view¤t=Picture1-3-2.png

Posted by: Candy McCane | August 18, 2008 5:53 PM

In the forum McCain was quite mad
He spoke of his first wife a tad
But not to worry nor fear
Just tell them what they want to hear
Of beliefs John may not once of had

Posted by: WCW, Patterson NJ | August 18, 2008 4:54 PM

In the forum McCain was quite mad
he spoke of his first wife a tad
but not worry nor fear
Just tell them what they want to hear
Of beliefs John may not once of had

Posted by: WCW, Patterson NJ | August 18, 2008 4:50 PM

LOL - Mr wimpy McCain scared that not all the stations out there are FOX-GOP-Propaganda-News ?

Well, why not protest the most biased news station then? Oh wait, because you pay them to tell your lies.

McCain is being a coward yet again...Ever hear of a thing called "Truth", Mr McCain? ...it sure appears not.

Posted by: Franky | August 18, 2008 4:28 PM

What a bunch of whining babies. If McCain can't stand up to Andrea Mitchell, how's he gonna take on al Qaeda??

Posted by: SpaceCat | August 18, 2008 3:49 PM

w00t, w00t!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:48 PM

"Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, wrote of her report that "there is not one shred of evidence that it's true," saying that McCain was driving to the event, then "in a green room with no broadcast feed" during Obama's appearance.

"We are extremely disappointed to see that the level of objectivity at NBC News has fallen so low that reporters are now giving voice to unsubstantiated, partisan claims in order to under cut John McCain," Davis wrote to Steve Capus, in a letter the campaign released to other members of the press"

==============

Read carefully, Mr Davis' statements are missing a crucial element - a denial. He labels the charges a lot of things, none good, but never actually calls them FALSE. I wonder why that is.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:48 PM

Where's the outrage?!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
"“McCain’s personal fortune traces back to organized crime in Arizona.”

Email it to everybody on your email lists. Call your local newspapers and politicians and tell them that we are not having Murder Inc. living in the White House and running the free world!

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 18, 2008 3:44 PM

Rick Davis is sounding more and more like a hit man for Human Events

Posted by: Michael Patrick Sullivan | August 18, 2008 3:40 PM

Maybe Obama should send a letter to most of the networks and to FOX news, WSJ, ect. It seems like every little Rove like tactic that the McCain campaign takes they jump all over it.

Some smears that the mainstream media is covering Arugala eating elitist, possible muslim, unamerican, wont pledge allegiance, flag pin, playing the race card... come on all stupid Rove type allegations.

McCain stole his crosses in the sand story from a russian POW the media should cover that too.

Posted by: Bias? | August 18, 2008 3:36 PM

I went online after the Olympics last night and the McCain letter attacking NBC hit me in the face. The NY Times story confirming McCain was late to church popped up while I was still unraveling the McCain media conspiracy theory. It was eerie to watch the wild swings of Republican bloggers as they shifted the frame of their outrage to accomodate their own candidate's duplicity. You can follow it all on Politico, if you have the stomach.

Incredible cynicism. McCain blew it when he walked onstage and didn't just acknowledge to "Pastor Rick" that he was late to church, and apologise. His campaign realized this immediately, and went into damage control mode (which, for them, means an attack on what's left of our free press). It pre-emptively attacked CBS for daring to report the item at all, even in a piece that was favorable to McCain.

NBC and the NewYork Times are looking very upright here. Stand up, journalists. Don't let these shameless hucksters push another 4 years of managed news down our throats.

Posted by: Mary Porter | August 18, 2008 3:17 PM

To put it bluntly, McCain's trigger happy and a little unstable. His own GOP Senate colleagues are scared about him having his finger on the button:

McCain: Senile or Dumb?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW4msHu_9EQ

Posted by: It's time to get rid of the Neocon thugs (Bush, Cheney, McCain)! | August 18, 2008 3:14 PM

Posted by: Mark @ News Corpse | August 18, 2008 3:14 PM

Whether or not McCain cheated is not really very important. the forum itself was a biased affair before an evangelical audience that paid between $500 and $2,000 to attend. Not exactly Obama's demographic.

More important is this disingenuous bit of angst from McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis. He is complaining that Andrea Mitchell demonstrated bias by suggesting that Obama's supporters (not Obama's campaign) were accusing McCain of cheating. But Mitchell included that reporting in a segment wherein she asserted that McCain had won the debate and that Obama's side were poor losers.

If there is bias in the report is on the side of McCain (http://tinyurl.com/mccain-nope), not the other way around.

Posted by: Mark @ News Corpse | August 18, 2008 3:12 PM


In the forum Obama was quite weak,
It appears he has passed his peak.
His talents are now known
And the race he has blown,
So his future is looking rather bleak.


Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 3:01 PM

The Bush people aren't stupid- but they are crooked.

When the Eastern Establishment sent Herbert Walker to Texas, with Barbara Pierce, they told him not to use his Yale education or too many big words. HW learned the lesson well, and he has been just as an actor as Reagan was. W isn't as stupid as he looks and sounds. But the network that he's the front man for? Smart, vicious, nasty, greedy, corrupt people. Shortsighted too.

They've allowed Big Oil, Big Wars, Big Tobacco, the Big Three, Big Drugs, and Big Health to be unbelievably greedy.

If there had been proper leadership we'd have peace, prosperity, health care, education, energy independence and clean air to breath.

We don't- and you can thank the greedy, vicious Republicans for that... by voting them all out of office.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 18, 2008 2:52 PM

McCain is a total fraud. I still can't believe his campaign claims that because McCain is a former POW, he wouldn't lie or cheat.
McCain's first wife must be saying "really?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oot9IbQxrI

Posted by: casey | August 18, 2008 2:51 PM

PA "More like McCain pointed his wang at Warren"

What's a wang?

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 18, 2008 2:49 PM

Video proof Rick Warren lied both during his forum and to CNN to cover for McCain.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 2:44 PM

Jack The Ripper,

More like McCain pointed his wang at Warren and his fundie audience and said:

"POW, thanks for the service."

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 2:43 PM


"McCain's response to everything: A Verb, A Noun, POW."

More like McCain pointed his finger at Obama after the forum and said "POW, gotcha"

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 18, 2008 2:35 PM

McCain's response to everything: A Verb, A Noun, POW.

I know it's hard to believe but I think McCain might be dumber than even Shrub is.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnb2IrsU1Cg
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Posted by: Charles Keating | August 18, 2008 2:32 PM

"I am not 100% certain about the one true messiah."

Obama said:
"A light will shine down... from somewhere. It will light upon you. You will experience an epiphany... You will say to yourself, 'I have to vote for Barack' "

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 18, 2008 2:31 PM

CNN video proves Rick Warren lied to cover for McCain:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 2:28 PM

In the days of Aaron Burr they'd just rob the Treasury straight up.

Nowadays there has to be some sort of Iran/Contra/Crack or Iraq/Afghan smokescreen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/10/iraq_billions200710

Some people are so stupid they don't know that Republicans just want to lie, cheat and steal. Ignorant!

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 18, 2008 2:28 PM


The post at 2:21 was NOT a fake.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 2:23 PM


"sending pallets of $100 bills to Iraq"

Pretty bad, but consider the source - Bush the idiot.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 2:21 PM

Seriously though, I would like for ONE of you Republicans to defend this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
"“McCain’s personal fortune traces back to organized crime in Arizona.”

How can you defend a guy who is pro life in politics and Murder Inc. in business?

Have you all lost your minds?

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 18, 2008 2:20 PM

The fact that you dirty Republicans don't care that McCain married in an organized crime family goes to show that you are not Patriots.

And the fact that you'd rather have a hothead like McCain, a guy who would get set up by Putin just like Sonny Corleone got set up by Sollazo in the Godfather, shows that you people don't understand the importance of intelligence.

Voting for crooks - and being happy that they are sending pallets of $100 bills to Iraq, and stealing from you - is just dumb.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 18, 2008 2:19 PM


"I would not be surprised since Mccain crashed five of them"

Well, if that's true, at least he don't chicken out of dangerous and risky activity.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 2:17 PM

Why don't they cover his daly cocktail of Alzheimer's drugs he takes. Oh thats right they are for blood pressure.

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The media coverage of this election has been completely in the tank for Obama from the beginning. As a democrat this should make me happy, but well I am not 100% certain about the one true messiah.

Posted by: DCDave | August 18, 2008 2:09 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 2:16 PM

I know Republicans have reputation for being ignorant and intolerant, but on the odd chance that you people happen to have some analytical skills, noodle on this:

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/downloads/uploaded/55_InsiderAdvantage%20Majority%20Opinion%20Research%20VA%20Pres%20Poll%20Cross-Tabulations%208%2013%2008.pdf

Posted by: Republican Lies | August 18, 2008 2:14 PM

I would not be surprised since Mccain crashed five of them and one of the worst pilots in the navy at the time. Few he served with trusted him and have said so.

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PA: "I'm sure McCain and Obama are both nervous"

I'd like to see McCain take Obama up in a fighter plane. Bet Obama would need clean drawers..


Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 2:11 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 2:13 PM

If the media is so in the tank for Obama then why doesn't everyone know about McCain's dirty secret?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
"“McCain’s personal fortune traces back to organized crime in Arizona.”

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 18, 2008 2:12 PM


Remember:

The media is only as liberal as the giant corporations that own it.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | August 18, 2008 2:11 PM

CNN video proves Rick Warren lied on air at his forum and on CNN... in Rick's own contradictory words:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 2:11 PM


PA: "I'm sure McCain and Obama are both nervous"

I'd like to see McCain take Obama up in a fighter plane. Bet Obama would need clean drawers..


Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 2:11 PM

The media coverage of this election has been completely in the tank for Obama from the beginning. As a democrat this should make me happy, but well I am not 100% certain about the one true messiah.

Posted by: DCDave | August 18, 2008 2:09 PM


"No one cares about the polls, we care about the electoral college."

Obama proved that in the primary. Buying his way in? Hard to say.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 2:08 PM

Mccains handlers are scared to death the old man will screw up as he does over and over they were not taking any chances. This was not an accident he got there late. Mccain is a moron and they know it. They are just trying to survive to November when they will lose anyway.

--------------
when Obama does poorly (as he so clearly did on this interview) his followers need to find excuses. there isn't a conspiracy here. Obama just doesn't stand for anything.

Posted by: enoughofit | August 18, 2008 1:24 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 2:07 PM

Barack supporters are bunch of whiners.

If something is said aginst their meesiah, they get mad, they get upset, they get thier panties in a bunch. Obamacans are nothing more than cheap whiners full of hot air.

NO WE CAN'T!

Posted by: Barack Obama | August 18, 2008 2:07 PM

I'm sure McCain and Obama are both nervous... it's a debate on live TV. But I'm not.

Because I'm also sure McCain has a terrible track record on being able to answer unexpected questions with any substance. He's a Bush clone in that respect. And he's on the wrong side of the issues given most Americans opinion... the war, the economy, etc.

Obama is simply smarter and better off the cuff on matters of policy. That's just the way it is.

I'm not at all worried about the real debates; I never was... especially when now we know the only way McCain can compete is by cheating and having the host lie for him.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 2:06 PM

As for the polls, let's see how about the latest Virginia one which has Obama and McCain tied but has 19% of the sample as blacks, who are supposedly voting for Obama at a clip of 57%. Kerry had a black turnout of 21% and got 87%- Obama is getting 24% and 95%.

Today's polls understate both black and young voter turnout. And Obama has yet to make his move.

Remember, he was down 20pts to Hillary on Jan1 and then made his move and passed her for good in mid-Feb.

Obama will make his move against McCain at the convention. 'Til then, enjoy the appearance of closeness Republicans, this week and next are as close as it'll be for McCain. And even these polls are bogus due to their turnout models.

Posted by: Republican Lies | August 18, 2008 2:05 PM

Jason:

"Obama won, hands down."

Watch the polls, Jason. You'll see who won.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 1:48 PM
*******

No one cares about the polls, we care about the electoral college.

Posted by: JakeD | August 18, 2008 2:05 PM

Bias coverage by NBC of BO has been obvious, to all thinking viewers, all along...is it that BO spends more big$ advertisement dollar$ with NBC than McCain,so NBC favors its reporting of its big account$/$big adverti$ement buying customer$ like BO...no matter, the FCC should be required to investigate the blatant bias reporting by NBC ..remember folks,NBC uses our Public Airways and we have rules on their use, as they belong to us/citizens of USA not NBC..in meantime get your non-bias coverage from other sources like: BBC, PBS,et al.

Posted by: ltk01 | August 18, 2008 2:05 PM

Any idiot that believe McFool won that forum on Saturday night is a bigger idiot than ever! McFool is a cheater, liar, theif and adulterer! He cheated on Saturday, plagarized, and stole stories from other sources and used them as his own! He has no credibility!!! What a looser!!!! But then, why would we expect any other type of behavior from an individual that sleeps with lobbyist! He sat in that forum, knowing darn well he was cheating with a crooked lying face acting as if he knew what the f$ck he was talking about! Any American that votes for this idiot is doing it for one or two reasons, one, they won't him to be a one time President, so that the rethugs can try desperately to make more money on the middle class and oil! 2) They are a bunch of rednecks that don't care if Obama was giving every voter a BMW! they wouldn't vote for him on the shear reason that he's a black man! Those bigot thinkers deserve whatever they get! If they loose their house, job, 401K's that will serve them right! I hope they loose it all.....bigotry gets you no where and that's exactly where they should end up -Nowhere with nothing!

Posted by: Yes We can! | August 18, 2008 2:03 PM

The only people who are wound up about saddle back are the evangelicals, which is to say "the Republican base". Considering that, if Obama moved one single voters mind it was a victory for him.
John is trying to rally the base.
Barak is trying to make inroads.
If you see a big jump in the polls being done over the next couple of days then I'm wrong but it seems unlikely John can turn this into electoral "oomph" considering the target audience. He'll get a boost in turnout with his performance, which is all he was shooting for in the first place. Obama may actually drift up since for many evangelicals this will be the first time they get to see he doesn't have a turban or a pointy tail.

Posted by: dijetlo | August 18, 2008 2:03 PM

From the WAPO today:

"It seems almost churlish to look at some actual facts. No presidential candidate was breaking the 50 percent mark in mid-August polls in 2004 or 2000. Obama's average lead of three to four points is marginally larger than both John Kerry's and Al Gore's leads then (each was winning by one point in Gallup surveys). Obama is also ahead of Ronald Reagan in mid-August 1980 (40 percent to Jimmy Carter's 46). At Pollster.com, which aggregates polls and gauges the electoral count, Obama as of Friday stood at 284 electoral votes, McCain at 169. That means McCain could win all 85 electoral votes in current toss-up states and still lose the election.

What is widely known is the skin-deep, out-of-date McCain image. As this fairy tale has it, the hero who survived the Hanoi Hilton has stood up as rebelliously in Washington as he did to his Vietnamese captors. He strenuously opposed the execution of the Iraq war; he slammed the president's response to Katrina; he fought the "agents of intolerance" of the religious right; he crusaded against the G.O.P. House leader Tom DeLay, the criminal lobbyist Jack Abramoff and their coterie of influence-peddlers.
With the exception of McCain's imprisonment in Vietnam, every aspect of this profile in courage is inaccurate or defunct."

Posted by: getcentered | August 18, 2008 2:03 PM

Hiding behind the label POW is outrageous!

"McCain can't be a liar! He's a POW!"

"McCain can't be an adulterer! He's a
POW!"

"McCain can't be a neocon! He's a POW!"


This is going to get really old really damned fast. I didn't realize POW was another translation of "Saint."


The Wingnuts are a bunch of liars, crooks and thugs and these two are the worst of the bunch:
http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r163/InsultComicDog/?action=view¤t=mccain-hug.gif

Posted by: Johnny Rotten | August 18, 2008 2:03 PM


PA: "Obama hasn't peaked."

We'll see. He has to be getting nervous about the upcoming debates, where he has to face McCain one-on-one.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 2:01 PM

Billw,

Obama hasn't peaked. The forum proves McCain can't compete without cheating and the host lying for him. The corporate media may help McCain cover up his cheating and lies, but in the long run, McCain simply can't compete in a real debate with Obama, no more than Bush could compete. McBush is/are terrible unless they have their talking points and a Fox audience/host who will help them.

Proof Rick Warren lied for McCain:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 1:58 PM


Jason:

"See how I did that there?"

Yeah.. just like Obama would want. Sad.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 1:56 PM

SEnator Obama went in front of a fundamentalist audience and said he was pro-choice...did anyone really expect that one to be a winner?
The McCain camp is not only full of a bunch of whiners, but they're hypocrites as well. McCain & Company had no problem with newscasters across the country repeating their crap claims about Obama's cancelled visit with wounded troops and now they're going to complain because Mitchell reported on what Obama's people were saying? Shut. Up.

Posted by: Drain You | August 18, 2008 1:55 PM


OBAMA HAS PEAKED

The Obama campaign is unraveling. He has peaked, and Saturday’s forum will serve to continue the trend toward McCain.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 1:54 PM

Proof from CNN video that Rick Warren lied for McCain on air at his forum and to CNN anchor.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 1:53 PM

Typical Rethuglican crybabies. If someone in the corporate media doesn't follow in lockstep with their agenda (pro-McCain) then they do everything in their power to brow-beat them.

I've yet to hear "lobbyist" Rick Davis cry about Fox's "partisan agenda"...and as everyone already knows, they have one.

Posted by: astral99 | August 18, 2008 1:52 PM

See how I did that there?

Get it?

Sadly, I doubt you do.

Posted by: Jason | August 18, 2008 1:52 PM

John McCain was not in a cone of silence. John McCain and possibly Rick Warren led everyone watching to believe that McCain was shrouded away in silence.

A man of honor, a man of honesty, a man with scruples would have announced to everyone right at the start that he really wasn't in the "cone". Instead he chose to allow everyone to believe a lie.

A man of honor, a man of honesty, a man with scruples would not have told a false story about the cross in the dirt, which was evidently about a Russian prisoner in the Soviet gulags, Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Does McCain have no dignity? No shame? To tell such a story in a church of God no less?


Posted by: kaliw | August 18, 2008 1:51 PM

LOL, polls... are you serious?

Lets see how those polls work for you on election day when you are no one to be seen.

Polls are only mentioned when they are in your favor...a very poor arguement.

How about those real polls, you know, the ones about the election.

Posted by: Jason | August 18, 2008 1:50 PM


FAKE POST

The post at 1:45 is fake.

Obams fans are now desperate. Too Bad.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 1:50 PM

A guy as crooked as McCain has no business questioning anyone else's integrity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
"“McCain’s personal fortune traces back to organized crime in Arizona.”

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 18, 2008 1:50 PM

@King Hey come on fella! I am on your side. I know we are the angry party but let's not eat our own.
And how dare you accuse me of not "defedning!" I probably "defedn" more than you.

True Blue.

Posted by: bill.lbm | August 18, 2008 1:50 PM

Hearing commnets doens't give you an unfair advantage. (i.e cheating like McCain since he is totally unprepared to be President.)

Try again, that news is almost a year old, how pathetic.

Posted by: Jason | August 18, 2008 1:49 PM


Jason:

"Obama won, hands down."

Watch the polls, Jason. You'll see who won.

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 1:48 PM

More empty rhetoric from Republicans. they have nothing but negative invective and outright lies at their disposal to win.

"You'll see" is considewr intelligent debate for Republcians, since they can offer notihng else.

Offer sometinhg since you know so much more than everyone else.

I didn't think so, since all you have are lies you haven't thought of yet.

Posted by: QW | August 18, 2008 1:47 PM

Obama hasn't peaked. The real debates are coming up... and McCain won't be able to cheat and have the host lie for him then.

It's going to be just like it was with Bush when he tanked his debates... because McCain simply isn't any good on his feet when he has to answer real questions he isn't expecting, where talking points aren't enough.

Proof Warren lied:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 1:45 PM

Obamacans rising. Breakaway Republicans Leach, Chaffee, Hauser tout Obama.

In a just completed Tuesday morning conference call, the Obama campaign focused on an important constituency, Republicans. Obama during the primary called Republicans who support him "Obamacans" and the word has entered the political lexicon.

Former Rep. Jim Leach (R-Ia.) former Sen. Lincoln Chaffee (R-R.I.) and former Bush White House intelligence advisor Rita E. Hauser were on the call, touting Obama's foreign and fiscal expertise. More important to the group, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is not rival Sen. John McCain (R-Az.).

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/08/obamacans_rising_breakaway_rep.html

McCain has 1-itis.

Talk about one thing enough...even if it's not true....and the "low information voter" still takes it as justification for voting for the angriest warmonger they can find.

I guess it's a strategy......

In the last 8 years or so Republicans have shown me that they will do anything and everything in their power to keep you from retaining an opinion based on the facts that their incompetence is comprised of.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | August 18, 2008 1:44 PM


Jason:

"honor system? Pleeeease. Give me a break"

Yeah,, honor system. Obama heard no anti-American or racist comments from Wright?


Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 1:44 PM

Though I am a little biased, it did seem pretty obvious that McCain was well prepared in advance for questions. TOO prepared to have answered so many qustions so quickly.

Here is what I think when it comes to debate time: Maybe McCain's "cheating" will have a backlash in terms of expectations for the debates. Since he did such a "great job" at the Saddleback forum, the expectations for his upcoming debate/s performace should be significantly higher - right? Giving Obama a better opportunity to tear McCain apart one on one - which is what he will do no matter what. Now, how the media reports on it is a different story, as you can imagine.

I think it's funny that there has been ONE political forum so far with both the candidates - and people are saying Obama is done. Really? Even fox news came out with a story "Why McCain can win the White House." Big surprise it was from fox...

The strange thing is, I can't find the article anywhere now. It was on Google's top stories and now it is gone. Can't find it on Fox's website either.

Either way, we have a long way to go in this race...

Posted by: Dfunk | August 18, 2008 1:43 PM


PA:

"and you guys think McCain is doing well."

Obama has peaked. You'll see.


Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 1:41 PM

@BZ you are an idiot. Obviously you did NO research for yourself, like 99% of Republican lemmings.

Posted by: King | August 18, 2008 1:41 PM

To Billw and everyone else who gets their world view information from sound bites and talking points, McCain won. All McCain has are pre-fed talking points.

For real Americans and others who read and research for ourselves, who know the policies of each candidate, and do no vote on identity....Obama won, hands down.

On top of that, we now have proof Warren lied for McCain. We can't prove he cheated, but we can't prove he didn;t.

honon system? Pleeeease. Give me a break

Posted by: Jason | August 18, 2008 1:40 PM

BZ,

The kos story simply shows video footage of CNN where Warren in his own words contradicts himself and lies.

Take it up with CNN if you've got a problem; they're the ones who grilled Warren on his lie on air at the forum.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 1:39 PM

Billw,

Only in the minds of Republicans like yourself could both Warren and McCain get caught lying... probably cheating... and you guys think McCain is doing well. Typical Bush-league Republicans.

Proof of Warren's lying:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 1:38 PM

I love it, these nitwits actually reference the daily kos!!! Are you kidding me!!! As if that is a reference source. Consider it loose fiction at best.

Liberals are so ignorant. You are blinded by "the feel good" approach to everything in your life. Obama is a nothing but an actor, he reads his cue cards well, but hides from open debate b/c what he stands for is Marxism.

Now, if you're for Marxism, then you have the right to vote for him. I am not, so I choose not to. Obama is pro-abortion, but can't even come out and say it in this debate. He is for wealth redistribution, but can't admit it, he wants to take over healthcare because the government has done such great work on other projects (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, crap, the IRS screwed up).

Anyway, why don't all you Obama-maniacs read up on your boy and ask yourself if you want 4 years of poverty. Once he hikes taxes on the rich (you know, the people that run the corporations and small bus.), ask yourself what will keep them from taking ALL of their business overseas? Along with all of the low income/middle income jobs, then what will we have left?

National healthcare? Who's going to pay?

I won't say your dumb, but you are highly uninformed...

Posted by: BZ | August 18, 2008 1:37 PM

Yeah, LMB, you are still a clueless idiot no matter how you type your comments.

I don't see you defedning any of the unprovable stories about Obama that ran on Fox News for weeks and weeks.

GOP: still stuck in the matrix.

Posted by: King | August 18, 2008 1:37 PM


THE OLD FOOL?

RE McCain: "the demented old fool"

McCain showed better judgment and confidence, along with the courage to express his opinions and beliefs clearly and to the point. Obama is going downhill.


Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 1:35 PM

Watch the video for youeself.

The echo chamber is no secret anymore, GOP.

Your pathetic attmepts to try it here are only comedy fodder for real Americans.

Posted by: King | August 18, 2008 1:34 PM

So McCain wants to criminalize abortion? I wonder who he would want to send to prison: the Doctor? The woman? The staff?

BTW, the truth is that making abortion illegal wouldn't stop them, just make them dangerous for the poor. The rich will still be able to get quality care. But a change in law would help to put men back in charge of their women, which is a central theme for right wing religions.

Posted by: Javalation | August 18, 2008 1:33 PM

America hating?

Hussein?

You know the GOP is running scared and planning on losing when they have to resort to lies and fear tactics to even get their point across.


The found nothing on Obama...and its driving them crazy!!!!! so they pull every dirty trick in the book!

You have good company Republicans with support like this, I guess you'll take all you can get huh?

How does it feel that you support the same cadidate as the KKK and white-supremecitst groups? peas in a pod I guess.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 1:31 PM

re: Lou R | August 18, 2008 12:52 PM comment shown below.
I wish to underscore Lou R's comment and would to add that NBC should retaliate with the same vehemence that Davis displayed. This is only one more page, albeit a tactical variation, taken from the GOP* smear machine.
*God-awful Onerous Prevaricators

Posted by: TruthIsSuperiorToHonor | August 18, 2008 1:31 PM

Obama did quite well considering it was a forum hosted by conservative Republican Christians. Much better than I had hoped. The only problem was that McCain was miraculously somehow quicker on his feet mentally than ever before in his campaign. Now it's clear why.

Warren and McCain had to lie and cheat. That's all it is in the end. Not all that complicated. Pretty standard fair from the right.

And here's the proof that Rick Warren lied about this at the forum and on CNN to cover for McCain delaying his arrival... right from his own mouth.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 1:30 PM

I guess "straight talk" now means plagiarism. McCain's cross in the dirt story was taken straight from Solzhenitsyn: http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicalinsider/2008/08/is-mccain-now-copying-solzheni.html

Interestingly enough, McCain even wrote an article on Solzhenitsyn, I guess he's taking his story a little too much to heart. http://www.nysun.com/opinion/solzhenitsyn-at-work/83117/

First Wikipedia, now this? Disgusting. When will the media actually report this sham.

Posted by: Jessica | August 18, 2008 1:27 PM

Proof Rick Warren lied about this at the forum and on CNN to cover for McCain delaying his arrival.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 1:27 PM

@John. Ad hominem attacks are Ok if you are running for president. Ad hominem attacks are un avoidable part of self defence if your opponents starts it and has an army to back him up.. We are not reviewing classics here my friend. This is United states general elections. Ad hominem is Chapter One.

Posted by: JackHass | August 18, 2008 1:26 PM

Next, those darn righties will be claiming that the Huffington Post is biased

All right, Olbermann may be a little biased but we hate Bush too so it's OK. And Chris Matthews is in the tank but how can you not get wiggley when Obama speaks.

It is just time for a Democrat. Look at all that we are accomplishing now that we run the legislature!

Democrats have that cynical sarcasm that this country needs right now. What we really need is Al Franken or Bill Maher for VP!

True Blue

Posted by: bill.lbm | August 18, 2008 1:25 PM

when Obama does poorly (as he so clearly did on this interview) his followers need to find excuses. there isn't a conspiracy here. Obama just doesn't stand for anything.

Posted by: enoughofit | August 18, 2008 1:24 PM

What underhanded politics are you referring to Keith?

Typical GOP straw man arguement, lay out a claim this no one stated and provide no evidence to back up such claim.

Typical of your ilk

Posted by: King | August 18, 2008 1:24 PM

Now we know why Husain didn’t want to do the town hall debates. His American hating butt would get kicked. I can see it now. The phone rings its 3 am and grandma answers it, what the hell do you want now! Husain replies, but grandma Iran just tested a nuke what do I do?

Posted by: MCPhill | August 18, 2008 1:24 PM

Ad hominem attacks are a boring waste of time. I keep hoping to find intelligent comments, but find very few on most comment boards. The best response to an ad hominem attack is to label it as such, and then ignore it. Message boards would improve in value if contributors followed this advice. So would news reporting agencies.

Posted by: John | August 18, 2008 1:23 PM

Straight out of Obama's play book - he shows poorly at the forum and what does he do? He resorts to his typical dirty, underhanded politics - same as we've seen in Chicago, same as we saw in the primary.

Got this guy's number!

Posted by: Keith | August 18, 2008 1:22 PM

richtexan54.......Obama supports a woman's right to choose...he never denied that. He does support attacking the problem and preventing unwanted pregnancies. That's a great way to start solving the problem.

Posted by: Ter | August 18, 2008 1:20 PM

McCain is mad because MSNBC want to stick to facts?

Awe...here's some...maybe the'll try to bring down the Post too:

The Financial Times

Obama holds bipartisan economy talks
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e23cc97c-5cfa-11dd-8d38-000077b07658.html

"Mr McCain’s tax and spending proposals would add an estimated $3,400bn to the US deficit over the next decade compared with an estimated $700bn deficit reduction from Mr Obama’s plans, according to the Tax Policy Center, an independent think-tank."

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | August 18, 2008 1:19 PM

He was in the motorcade and then arrived at the grren room.

Fact: Obama was answering questions while McCain was in the motorcade, where he could have heard anything.

The honor system? Are you serious? GOP in 2008 using the honor system? Don't make me sick

Posted by: King | August 18, 2008 1:19 PM

Imd,

You're lying. McCain didn't arrive until 30 minutes into Obama's interview. That is a fact confirmed now by Warren and McCain.

But Warren still lied to cover for McCain:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 1:18 PM

@lmd, you are an idiot.

Posted by: Jason | August 18, 2008 1:17 PM

Why did he arrive half an hour late?. Because he considered the risks and mitigated the greater risk which was of not being able to answer most questions.

By arriving on time he wouldnt have had a chance to cheat on the questionnaire. If he didnt there is no way in hell he would have answered the questions.. Stuttering old man. Look at how he listed like half a dozen Justices without any explanation why? Remember how he answered the Marriage question.. Err Union Err Union of man and woman .. Err I did a good job rehearsing all questions.. err.. And the stupid jokes in between.. Idiot. Not an iota better intellectually than Bush. Err... Right wing deserves fools like this to be president.. Err who will be the new Cheney for this pretentet puppet president??

Posted by: JackHass | August 18, 2008 1:17 PM

Proof Rick Warren lied about this at the forum and on CNN to cover for McCain delaying his arrival.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 1:16 PM

Imb....McCain and Obama shook hands AFTER the forum, not before. Get your facts straight!!

Posted by: Ter | August 18, 2008 1:16 PM

Fake Dem posters are funny (XDEM). Your life is that pathetic that you have to fake identity on an anonymous internet posting board about some stupid political conspiracy?


Bravo, you are the defintion of scum.

Posted by: Jason | August 18, 2008 1:16 PM

Katie10:

Rick Warren is apparently not a man beyond reproach. He told everyone that McCain was in a cone of silence, while McCain's own campaign has confirmed that he was not. Sorry, but Warren's credibility is seriously in question here. Just because you like the guy does not mean he is honest and trustworthy. He has some questions to answer here. We already know that McCain is a crooked old man, so the lying and cheating was expected from him. The burden of proof is now on Warren and McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 1:15 PM

McCain is a remarkably whiny, petulant child who, when he doesn't get his way, takes his basketball and goes home. He embodies the Shakespearean idea "Methinks he doth protest too much."

Do we really want this man in the White House?

Posted by: Bill Johnson | August 18, 2008 1:15 PM

Fake Dem posters are funny. Your life is that pathetic that you have to fake identity on an anonymous internet posting board about some stupid political conspiracy?


Bravo, you are the defintion of scum.

Posted by: Jason | August 18, 2008 1:15 PM

Oh, and to "Ter" -- it's clear you did not watch OR understand this forum. McCain COULD NOT have been in his motorcade as he and Obama were onstage TOGETHER before either was ever questioned. What an idiot you are! And they let people like you vote???? People you need to get your facts straight -- bunch of "Jaywalking Allstars" here. How can you be SO uniformed? You just take everything NBC feeds you and call it good? HE WAS IN A GREEN ROOM WITH NO SOUND OR VISUAL -- You stupies.

Posted by: lmd | August 18, 2008 1:13 PM

We all should boycott NBC; since, throughout the election process they have felt it necessary to show unbelievable favoritism vs. an objective reporting of the news. One could view NBC compared to ABC or FOX and think we are living in two worlds. This issue goes beyond the Presidential elections ....it also applies to the bias NBC holds with regard to our success in the war in Iraq. Instead of celebrating our victory...NBC is reporting stale bad news portraying the USA as losers.

Posted by: Bill A | August 18, 2008 1:13 PM

McCain -- what a crybaby. His campaign has become hysterical in addition to its already demonstrated penchant for baseless claims and flip-flopping for votes.

Posted by: sobe eaton | August 18, 2008 1:13 PM

OK so let's talk about some honesty. Obamayomama can't even give an honest answer about his pro-abortion beliefs. Check his voting record. Secondly, he voted against Aleto and Roberts but didn't mention them when asked who he would not appoint given the opportunity.
He is a bullshipper from way back. He has so many twists and turns he has to screw. his pants on.

Posted by: richtexan54 | August 18, 2008 1:12 PM

XDEM, Manchurian Candidate? Anyone familiar with the term knows that the reference is to someone who had been brainwashed while being held prisoner by the commies. Of the two major candidates, which was the one who was held prisoner by the communist?

Thanks NBC for disclosing the truth and not letting him get away with this lie, as most of the press appears to be bending over backward to let Ol John do on most issues.

Posted by: Javalation | August 18, 2008 1:12 PM

How can McCain claim to be pro-life yet he supported the war? Sorry, but the two simply don't go together.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 1:11 PM

How long will the McCain campaign hold up their candidates former status as a POW as a "get-out-of-jail-free" card. McCain has chosen the low road quite often in his life since the Hanoi Hilton. There should be a closer examination of that as well as a serious look at his frequent mental lapses.

Posted by: 11thCavVet | August 18, 2008 1:10 PM

Here comes the old man whining again. Boo hoo!! Good job Andrea Mitchell for calling him out!!

Posted by: Ann | August 18, 2008 1:10 PM

I watched the Rick Warren special and what was evident was that McCain has lived longer than Obama, had many more life experiences and has 25 years in the service of his country. The lack of experience in Obama was glaring. Rick Warren is a man beyond reproach, to question him or McCain (they had an agreement) hits the bottom of the barrel. Obama's campaign saw also that he did not do so well. The answers given by McCain we have all read or heard before. They would have been the same if he had been handed a list two monthes in advance.
Shame on NBC.

Posted by: Katie10 | August 18, 2008 1:10 PM

I highly doubt EITHER candidate heard the others responses.
Warren is higly respected and for people to insinuate that their was cheating on his part is absurd.
Obama and McCains reponses were of no suprise to anyone that has actually taken the time to watch and listen to them.
The media has considered Obama their darling. Sorry if people can not see that simple blantent fact. How many journalists and reporters have you heard signing his praises......even though he supports late term abortions and he has such limited politital experience on a national let alone world level.

Posted by: LC | August 18, 2008 1:10 PM

The fact is that he had the ability to cheat. This is contrary to what the audience was told, and it is what Andrea Mitchell reported. I doubt that Rick Warren did this on purpose, as it doesn't make him look good. McCain knew when he was supposed to show up but he got there late- one has to wonder why.

Posted by: nirad | August 18, 2008 1:10 PM

Does baby needs it's bottle? I don't know what was the purpose of McCain's letter but it sounds like a bunch of sour grapes. If Obama sent a letter to Fox everytime they aired a story that skewed him in a negitive light, Obama would have carpeltunnel.

Posted by: Whatever McCain | August 18, 2008 1:09 PM

WAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAH WAAAAAH WAAAAAAH I WAS SHOT DOWN NO ONE CAN CRITISIZE ME.

So we will have a president that crys I was a POW everytime he is critisized. It will be worse then bush crying 911.

Posted by: TexDem | August 18, 2008 1:09 PM

Yeah, and Bush didn't have a wire during his debates.

There is no low the Repugicans will not sink to.

God help us all.

Posted by: ScaryBob | August 18, 2008 1:09 PM

I just love how you liberal lemmings follow the Nbc gods to your demise. Where is YOUR proof that McCain listened to anything? The obama aides "thought" he must have so therefore he did??? Come on, grow a brain you losers. NBC does everything but pray at the shrine of bama and you guys eat it up. You just can't stand that McCain had REAL answers instead of more vague mantras like the other guy, your Lord and Master.

Posted by: LMD | August 18, 2008 1:09 PM

Only one comment to McCain and his staff:

"Baby Baby stick your head in gravy"

and what about McMoron saying that you are rich if you make more than 5 million per year

At least that explains his economic policies. It is not Fascism, it is stupidity

Posted by: Abbedd | August 18, 2008 1:09 PM

Oh granny!! Russia just nuked Poland what do I do? What a loser...

Posted by: McPhill | August 18, 2008 1:09 PM

For the sake of fairness, the Republican posting community's favorite phrases must be repeated here.

"If he is whining, he has already lost"

Posted by: Jason | August 18, 2008 1:08 PM

Some of Huck's Army has gone rouge., theyve started a petition asking Huckabee to leave the GOP, and start a new party. http://www.mccanes.com/newparty.html

Posted by: John | August 18, 2008 1:08 PM

Some of Huck's Army has gone rouge., theyve started a petition asking Huckabee to leave the GOP, and start a new party. http://www.mccanes.com/newparty.html

Posted by: John | August 18, 2008 1:08 PM

Obama is our only hope. McSame and the Republican party should stay on the porch.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 1:08 PM

Welcome to the club McCain. Fox News has been reporting unsubstantiated crap this entire season at an attempt to undermine Senator Obama's campaign. Cry me a freaking river!! McCain was listening to the satellite radio broadcast in his motorcade. It was clear he knew the questions?? He's a cheater and a liar. It was also clear that he's very uncomfortable with religion. He spoke nothing from his heart, just pre-arranged stump talk!

Posted by: Ter | August 18, 2008 1:08 PM

Of course the only way McCain can win is by cheating and lying. Seems to be standard operating procedure for this demented old fool.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 1:08 PM

mccain's personal honor has long since been submerged by his party values--due in small part to his own intent. i trust his handlers about as far as i can throw them. never mind. less.

Posted by: user_01 | August 18, 2008 1:08 PM

What's the matter Lou R, too many questions above Obama's pay grade? If he wins he can put a plaque on his desk in the oval office that reads "The buck stops here...so long as it is post-partisan buck and has been cleared with my handlers before hand and isn't above my paygrade."

Posted by: Stephen | August 18, 2008 1:08 PM

The senator doth protest too much, methinks.

Posted by: McBain | August 18, 2008 1:08 PM

NBC and MSNBC is the ONLY station that takes McCain to task on anything whatsoever. The real story is that McCain has managed to bias CNN and all the other stations FOR him. He wants NBC to tow the line and not question him or criticize him at all, just like all the others.

Sadly, we are being ill served by the media when it comes to McCain. He is not the Maverick and has parlayed his press contacts into an unquestioning acceptance of him and an amazing level of free pass on his most blatant mis-speaking.

The press should all be lampooning him just as they would Obama. If Obama made the mistakes McCain did it would be all over the news broadcast.

Stay at it NBC!! You are the only ones who haven't sold out and who still serve to credibly report to us.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | August 18, 2008 1:08 PM

"Mercifully, of course, nothing this superannuated turkey of a candidate says or does will ultimately have any bearing on this election's outcome. Soon enough, we will be living in an America in which there's cause once more for optimism. It's difficult to remember when that was last so."

This is so true Mathew S. The day Mr. Obama loses has to return to being a community organizer will be a great day for the United States of America.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 1:07 PM

Awe...booo...hoo!!

Remember:

The media is only as liberal as the giant corporations that own it.

Please!!
Nicolle Wallace is the enemy.
She is the ultimate toe tapping Republican propagandist tool.

My guess is Sen. McCain is using the same technique that the Bush administration exercised to great success during its entire tenure: Tell a lie often enough and people believe it's true. Especially when the press is either so woefully uninformed or willfully non-confrontational (or both) that they allow such gaffes to pass unchallenged, while the citizenry is too busy watching "American Idol" to care.


"The days are long but the years are fast, high on money, but low on cash."
ApostasyUSA

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | August 18, 2008 1:07 PM

"...has fallen so low that reporters are now giving voice to unsubstantiated, partisan claims in order to under cut John McCain," -Oh no, not unsubstantiated, partisan claims, such as Obama being raised in radical muslim methodology, which circulated the news for months. Or even saying "Obama didn't visit the troops", no, he felt that in 1 case he shouldn't be visiting a set because they were mortally or severely injured, and felt that a visit in the name of politics was unappropriate. I didn't even feel McCain did good in the forum, all I heard was "Blah blah blah, AMERICA, blah blah blah, Jesus..." basically Nationalist propaganda.

Posted by: McEverC | August 18, 2008 1:07 PM

it was obvious that he heard the questions asked barack or worse he was fed the questions beforehand I am with nbc

Rick Warren also used the auience to pimp his ministry

Posted by: jacquelyn kidd | August 18, 2008 1:06 PM

Mercifully, of course, nothing this superannuated turkey of a candidate says or does will ultimately have any bearing on this election's outcome. Soon enough, we will be living in an America in which there's cause once more for optimism. It's difficult to remember when that was last so.

Posted by: Matthew S | August 18, 2008 1:05 PM

McCAin DID violate the rules by showing up half an hour late. That's already a violation.

And Rick Warren DID lie about it:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548

The only question remaining is whether we should trust McCain and his Rovian advisors not to listen in on their drive over... which of course only an extremely naive child would trust in at this point in politics in 2008, given McCain's track record on honesty, which aint that hot.

Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 1:05 PM

"McGoo..."
"how they (the repugs) roll..."

Ah, making fun of people's names. It's fun when you're six years old, but grown-ups like it too!

Posted by: mictla | August 18, 2008 1:04 PM

Did Obama send a similar letter to Faux news? McCain is a big baby.

Posted by: Jake | August 18, 2008 1:04 PM

Warren and McCain both indicated he had been in the 'cone of silence' which has now turned out to be a lie. So if he has lied already about this, then the burden of proof is on McCain to prove that he did not hear any of the questions or answers between Warren and Obama. Sorry, but righteous indignation is not a defense.

Posted by: HG | August 18, 2008 1:04 PM

My dont we have OUR feathers ruffled???

Your anger speaks volumes!

Posted by: BillBobBubba | August 18, 2008 1:04 PM


McCain cheated? Who knows?

Obama heard no anti-American or racist comments from Wright? Who knows?

Posted by: Billw | August 18, 2008 1:03 PM

Ooohhh... McCain's nervous. What a petty little cheater.

Here's proof Rick Warren blatantly lied both at the forum and on CNN afterwards about this issue:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/18/84334/7814/1007/569548


Posted by: PA | August 18, 2008 1:01 PM

The Obamanation would do anything to make it look like the Manchurian Candidate won. He was clearly out done by Mr. McCain. The end is near for the "O" Nation. Mrs. Clinton will stick the fork in them at the convention.
Obama - giving more reasons to leave the party.

Posted by: XDEM | August 18, 2008 1:00 PM

McCain broke the rules, Warren broke the rules and the TV audience was pandered to with the approval of the host. The pre event publicity in effect stated there would would be no social wedge issues, only discussions about climate, AIDS, poverty, etc. McCain was not in the cone of silence as Warren reported, while Obama was asked to avoid campaign stump comments; McCain's bombastic responses included anecdotal stories, one war story about a cross now being questioned as a plagiary, and stump speech comments without intervention by the host. Parts I & II were distinctively different. As it turns out, the evening provided the Evangelist community many anti-Obama sound bites and video clips; a set-up beyond belief for the once above reproach Rick Warren who in my view now owes Barack Obama a huge apology for this manipulated sham of an event.

Posted by: Lou R | August 18, 2008 12:52 PM

basically what the McGoo are saying is all is fair in love and political war. That is... of course McGoo cheated, but NBC should not be in a position to criticize because this is how they (the repugs) roll.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 18, 2008 12:30 PM

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