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Biden and McCain, Rivals Again

By Michael D. Shear, Paul Kane and Jonathan Weisman
By selecting Sen. Joe Biden as his running mate, Barack Obama has picked a Senate colleague who has a long and friendly rivalry with Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain.

From their perches on the leading foreign policy committees, Biden and McCain have shadowboxed across the globe, building reputations as experts in their respective parties on war and peace.

But their clash over the direction of the war in Iraq -- and now the prospect of a high-stakes political campaign this fall -- has strained that collegial relationship, leaving both men more than willing to do battle with the other.

"He has respect for McCain but he'll be the first to angered by the sort of cheap shots they're throwing at Obama now," said Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), who predicted that Biden will relish the role of playing a lead attack dog on McCain.

Over the years, Biden and McCain have traveled broadly, often returning from war zones to spar with each other on the Sunday morning talk shows. As chairman of the Senate Foreign Affairs committee, Biden visited Iraq more than 7 times; McCain has returned to Iraq eight times as the senior Republican on the Armed Services committee.

The result was a rivalry -- and a friendship -- built on respect, people in both parties said. In 2005, Biden told comedian Jon Stewart that "John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend. I would be honored to run with or against John McCain because I think the country
would be better off."

Asked in 1999 what he would do on the first day of his presidency, McCain said he would "call in Joe Biden and John Kerry and Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Levin and like-minded Republicans" for a frank discussion about the need for a bipartisan foreign policy.

"They actually have a long and good relationship. They're friends," a senior Biden aide said Saturday morning.

McCain called his colleague early Saturday morning to congratulate him, aides said. In his first speech as Obama's running mate, Biden acknowledged that McCain is "genuinely a friend of mine" before proceeding to blast his friend for being a wholehearted backer of the Bush-McCain policies that Biden said threaten the future.

That friendship dates back decades, to the time that a young John McCain served as a staffer to senators like Biden. It was then, McCain has said, that he first wanted to become a member of Congress.

In a biography of McCain, author Robert Timberg wrote that "McCain was much in demand for overseas escort duty...He was fun to be around, his wit appealing, his natural exuberance infectious. In an Athens taverna he danced on a table with Senator Joseph Biden's wife, Jill, a red bandanna clenched in his teeth."

Later, as senators, the pair sometimes joined forces, especially on military and foreign policy matters. In 1999, a "McCain-Biden" bill would have authorized President Bill Clinton to use "all necessary force," including ground troops, in Yugoslavia.

Democrats and the Republican Senate leadership opposed the bill as too broad and too open-ended, and rejected it, but the partnership was an example of their willingness to work collaboratively.

Biden and McCain both have sons in the military, giving each a personal connection to the war they see so differently. McCain's son, Jimmy is a Marine who served in Iraq until Feburuary. Biden's son, Beau, a reserve officer who is the Attorney General of Delaware, reports to Iraq in October.

They are also both shaped by tragedy. McCain spent five-and-a-half years in a Vietnamese prison after being captured when his plane was shot down. Biden's wife and infant daughter were killed in an auto accident shortly after his first election.

On a lighter note, both Biden and McCain were among the most frequent guests on Don Imus' radio show, often heaping praise on each other. During one show in 2006, Biden was effusive about McCain's efforts to stop the Bush Administration's torture policy.

"You know, I mean, thank God for John McCain in saying, whoa, what are you guys talking about?," Biden told Imus.

But that friendship is likely to be strained further during the
upcoming election, as Biden is tasked by Obama to attack McCain. It is a task he had already begun even before being picked.

In April, Biden gave a speech at Georgetown University in which he said there is "no daylight between John McCain and George Bush. They are joined at the hip."

In the speech, he called McCain "a man I greatly admire, a man I consider a personal and close friend." But he went on to slam what he called a "myopic" view of foreign policy and said that "fundamental change" will require "more than a great soldier. It's going to require a wise leader."

Last month, in another speech, Biden accused McCain of "profound confusion" and "twisted logic" on the fight against terrorism and urged him to "study history" on the subject.

It is on terrorism and Iraq that there are likely to be the greatest clashes.

Both supported the authorization for war in Iraq, though Biden argues he was trying to give Bush the strongest hand possible force United Nations weapons inspectors back in. After the invasion, Biden preceded McCain in arguing for additional troops.

But in 2006, the two broke irrevocably. With sectarian violence spiraling, Biden argued that 500,000 troops wouldn't bring peace if the Iraqis couldn't reconcile.

Since then, they have traveled separately and returned with
opposite conclusions. About the time McCain earned criticism walking around a Baghdad Market in a flak jacket and offering a rosy assessment, Biden was marooned in Fallujah in a sand storm. Stuck in a room with Iraqi politicians, he was struck by the discord and lack of
will to reconcile.

Staff researchers Alice Crites and Lucy Shackelford contributed to this report.

Posted at 5:18 PM ET on Aug 23, 2008  | Category:  analysis
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Obama has a postive message like Ronald Reagan did. Both made you feel good about hope and America. I can see why Obama like him. McCain with all his attack ads is more like Bush. Because its the same people Rove and Schmidt who sold us Bush running the McCain campaign. Biden's comment on John McCain's 7 houses is starting to stick. The Republican attack machine might trip on Bidens words.

Posted by: Mark | August 24, 2008 7:10 PM

No doubt an Obama-Hillary Clinton ticket would be a winner, but

LEEGABOR

NO. actually HRC's negatives are 49%. That means half the population HATES her. Her candidacy would have opened the DEMS to being reminded of her lustful husband, and the 30 murders in Hope Ark. PS: being FIRST LADY is not experience.
Being FIRST LADY means, people fall in love with you, like with a remote movie star. It is not a real credential.


Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 11:22 AM

Jo Swartz

There is not yet a real solution in the Kurdish region.
Breaking the country up would protect them. THEY would be open to our defending them.

Dont blap about things you dont understand. Biden is right.
We have to protect the minorities in the region and Bush is not doing that. He is intentionally allowed the Kurdish question to fester, so he can have another pretext for MORE war.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 24, 2008 11:17 AM

The PUMA vigil is appropriate for the situation. They are in mourning. They are in-love with the former FIRST LADY.
A love-affair with a movie star, and now bereaved.

Blame someone else. Sexism? What about racism?

And any time now, PUMAs and HRC you can correct the impression you tried to manage, that Americans are NOT bitter. After all, 40% of registered voters did not vote in 2004. 10's of millions are not even registered. If you talk to THOSE people, you will smell the "bitter", angry, sad, defeated populace.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 24, 2008 11:14 AM

We challenge Fox News to open up their comments section without censorship . They present a comments section but never show any comments!

Posted by: Ron | August 24, 2008 9:38 AM

Funny enough, I did not quite know who he was until they said that he wanted to break up Iraq into different countries.

I remember reading his op-ed in the NY Times and thought it was the stupidest idea I ever heard. I wrote a letter to the editor expressing my views and it was published.

Mr. Biden may be a great guy but his ideas are insane. Thank God no one listened to him about breaking up Iraq.

Posted by: Jo Schwarz | August 24, 2008 2:12 AM

INDEED,LOUIE IT IS QUITE SAD, THAT THE NO-EXPERIENCE IN ANYTHING OBAMA LOOKS TO "DAD" TO FIGHT HIS BATTLES FOR HIM-SOUND FAMILIAR? ha ha ha! "OBAMA BIN BIDEN" INDEED-HA HA HA!

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 24, 2008 1:15 AM

INDEED,LOUIE IT IS QUITE SAD, THAT THE NO-EXPERIENCE IN ANYTHING OBAMA LOOKS TO "DAD" TO FIGHT HIS BATTLES FOR HIM-SOUND FAMILIAR? ha ha ha! "OBAMA BIN BIDEN" INDEED-HA HA HA!

Posted by: SPRING RAIN | August 24, 2008 1:15 AM

Obama's VP selectee (Biden) attacking McCain ... how sad this is ... Does this mean that, should Obama become president, it would be Biden attacking Iran, Russia, et al ... while Obama eloquently tells USA via CNN how he is kicking ass???

Posted by: Louie | August 23, 2008 10:53 PM
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No. Stupid question. Next?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:40 PM

To argue that "the surge worked" requires acceptance of the following assumptions:
1. the stated purposes have been achieved, and, 2. all else is equal, i.e. no other factors influenced the outcome.

The first have not been met. The second is not true.

For McCain (aka Bluster Boy) to insist that Obama acknowledge that Bluster Boy was "right" belies the truth, as stated above. It also seems to indicate that Bluster Boy is insecure and requires affirmation. Neither are presidential.

He is also too unpredictable. We've had enough of a "cowboy" as president. Nor do we need to solve all problems by going to war as he seems to believe. He is also old, senile and gave up his integrity to the neocon crowd.

I recommend rejection of his application.

Posted by: michael4 | August 23, 2008 11:32 PM

Is n't it hilarious how the Nobama supporting buffons rile on the CLintons that somehow they are not doing enough or being sincere enough in campaigning for Nobama?

They have a fair point that Nobama or his donors need not help HRC in paying off the debt. The Clintons are big boys (and girls) and can handle themselves well.

By the same token however, why should the CLintons do anything to bail out Nobama after all the race and sex cards that he and his sleazy campaign and his pimpy media pals played against the Clintons for a year?

More than that, no one is questioning whether Edwads is doing enough to help Nobama, or if Dodd is, and so on. It is Nobama's problem that most CLinton supporters don't care to vote for him; there is no obligation on the CLintons' part to go out of their way and cajole their supporters that somehow Nobama is the one (which he is NOT).

ENuff said.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 23, 2008 11:11 PM

Obama's VP selectee (Biden) attacking McCain ... how sad this is ... Does this mean that, should Obama become president, it would be Biden attacking Iran, Russia, et al ... while Obama eloquently tells USA via CNN how he is kicking ass???

Posted by: Louie | August 23, 2008 10:53 PM

great choice.

Biden locks up PA, freeing up resources for VA and OH. He helps with working class voters there.

Biden practically torpedoed Guiliani's presidential bid with his "noun, verb, & 9/11 " quip, and he'll do the same to McCain.

Posted by: jay v. | August 23, 2008 10:41 PM

The Honest Truth dude has been smoking crack. The war in Iraq has been a complete success? Are you certifiable? Wait there is SOME truth to your statement. For Bush/Cheney and all their oil buddies/Halliburton it has been a complete success. For your average American taxpayer or soldier it has had enormous costs with much more to come, and for your average Iraqi it has been an unqualified disaster. Tens of thousands of Iraqi women and children have died. Is that success? Gas is $4/gallon. Is that success? America's international reputation is in tatters. Is that success? I will grant you that truth is relative but unless you have lots of stock in oil and the military/industrial complex, you are looking at the Iraq occupation through rose colored glass at best, but more likely through FOX news. Exercise the right to think for yourself.

Posted by: Mike Robinson | August 23, 2008 10:15 PM

Obama is a corrupt, pandering, fraud and chicago politician. He picks Biden, no change there. Same old politics. Biden is older than dirt and has had two brain aneurisms. A heart beat away from the presidency, I don't think so. I'm bitterly clinging to my guns and religion and voting for McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 6:31 PM

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Biden is older than dirt? Let's see..old Mc10houses was fu-king a young tart while his wife was weak and disabled. McMansion has had melanoma and other recurring medical conditions. He is 72...
Its a good thing you are Anonymous because you are truly butt-licking moron.

Posted by: Amy | August 23, 2008 10:06 PM

Ronald Reagan in his diary June 15, 1987 observed Sen. Joe Biden as;
a " pure demagogue"

definition; a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power

Posted by: rtfanning | August 23, 2008 7:33 PM

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I think RR might have meant George W a--hole.

Posted by: hayden1 | August 23, 2008 9:59 PM

With friends like Biten who needs enemies.

Posted by: Anne Franklin | August 23, 2008 9:17 PM

Go Democrats '08 indeed, at least this time around.

This is not about the candidates themselves, not on my agenda at least.

Supporter for the good of this country. Period.

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 23, 2008 8:58 PM

The Honest Truth dude has been smoking crack. The war in Iraq has been a complete success? Are you certifiable? Wait there is SOME truth to your statement. For Bush/Cheney and all their oil buddies/Halliburton it has been a complete success. For your average American taxpayer or soldier it has had enormous costs with much more to come, and for your average Iraqi it has been an unqualified disaster. Tens of thousands of Iraqi women and children have died. Is that success? Gas is $4/gallon. Is that success? America's international reputation is in tatters. Is that success? I will grant you that truth is relative but unless you have lots of stock in oil and the military/industrial complex, you are looking at the Iraq occupation through rose colored glass at best, but more likely through FOX news. Exercise the right to think for yourself.

Posted by: Mike Robinson | August 23, 2008 8:26 PM

Ronald Reagan in his diary June 15, 1987 observed Sen. Joe Biden as;
a " pure demagogue"

definition; a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power

Posted by: rtfanning | August 23, 2008 7:33 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Sounds like Reagan was predicting a future leader named G.W.Bush

Posted by: Terry | August 23, 2008 8:20 PM

Ronald Reagan in his diary June 15, 1987 observed Sen. Joe Biden as;
a " pure demagogue"

definition; a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power

Posted by: rtfanning | August 23, 2008 7:33 PM
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Posted by: Terry | August 23, 2008 8:19 PM

No doubt an Obama-Hillary Clinton ticket would be a winner, but, apparently, Obama couldn't figure out how to handle the strong Bill. Makes me wonder how he would do dealing with the problems represented by Afghanistan, China, Iran, Iraq, N. Korea, Pakistan, Russia, and Venezuela, not to mention the terrorists groups such as al Qaeda, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Gama'a al-Islamiyya in Egypt, Harakat ul-Mujahidin in Pakistan, the Abu Sayyaf Group in the Philippines, and others. Instead of a candidate's usual pattern of selecting a running mate who could bring in swing or regional states, Obama's choice of Biden was out of the desperation of needing a crutch to support his own limitations of strength. Obama's problem isn't just lack of experience; it's even more a lack of courage. A gutless president is something America can't afford.

Posted by: leegabor2 | August 23, 2008 8:18 PM

Has anyone stopped to think that there are political operatives at work at the major news websites, posting comments as regular folks?

Posted by: Doesn't Matter | August 23, 2008 8:17 PM

I am an Obama supporter, but I would have supported Hillary if she won the Democratic nomination. Democrats, we must bind together; our existence is at stake. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN. Barack for President.

Posted by: RadianChalant | August 23, 2008 8:12 PM

The Honest Truth dude has been smoking crack. The war in Iraq has been a complete success? Are you certifiable? Wait there is SOME truth to your statement. For Bush/Cheney and all their oil buddies/Halliburton it has been a complete success. For your average American taxpayer or soldier it has had enormous costs with much more to come, and for your average Iraqi it has been an unqualified disaster. Tens of thousands of Iraqi women and children have died. Is that success? Gas is $4/gallon. Is that success? America's international reputation is in tatters. Is that success? I will grant you that truth is relative but unless you have lots of stock in oil and the military/industrial complex, you are looking at the Iraq occupation through rose colored glass at best, but more likely through FOX news. Exercise the right to think for yourself.

Posted by: Mike Robinson | August 23, 2008 8:07 PM

The Honest Truth dude has been smoking crack. The war in Iraq has been a complete success? Are you certifiable? Wait there is SOME truth to your statement. For Bush/Cheney and all their oil buddies/Halliburton it has been a complete success. For your average American taxpayer or soldier it has had enormous costs with much more to come, and for your average Iraqi it has been an unqualified disaster. Tens of thousands of Iraqi women and children have died. Is that success? Gas is $4/gallon. Is that success? America's international reputation is in tatters. Is that success? I will grant you that truth is relative but unless you have lots of stock in oil and the military/industrial complex, you are looking at the Iraq occupation through rose colored glass at best, but more likely through FOX news. Exercise the right to think for yourself.

Posted by: Mike Robinson | August 23, 2008 8:06 PM

For all of you who say you can't vote for Obama/Biden, then what you are voting or not voting for is another four years of subsidizing the tax cuts for the rich with your Social Security. In 2001 the tax cut that Bush was able to get the Republicans to pass was funded with Social Security. That $500 billion was Social Security money. SS has been running a surplus of about $750 billion a year in order to fund the retirement of the boomers. The rest of the budget was in the red. For the last 8 years the middle class has been bent over and driven home by the Bush adminstration and if you let McCain get into office you'll be bent over and driven home another 4 years. Life is tough but its tougher when you are stupid.

The Honest Truth:
I don't know what you are smoking but it rotting your mind. All the Iraq war has done is weaken the military, allow Iran to increase it's power in the region, allow Russia to attack Georgia, bankrupt our country, and leave us looking like a third world country. If we have another "victory" like Iraq, America will cease to exist.

Posted by: Repub | August 23, 2008 7:56 PM

People read this one carefully, it's unbelievable:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/23/us/politics/23mccain.html

Felony convictions, race tracks, mob connections, assassination, stealing drugs… and it doesn’t even get into Keating or, more importantly, ***who Marley and Hensley worked for and with.***

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 23, 2008 7:55 PM

Hope and Change? Is there really a plethora of radianting energy glowing from the semi-metallic skin of Joe Biden? Is the new wonder boy that will craftfully set a new course for the Obama 1 that will truly navigate him into another tier/level of politics that the "citizens of the world" have never seen before? Isn't Joe the true believer who has only spent one or two terms in the Senate to do his patriotic duty and then leave where he has truly been seeing Washington politics from the "outside/in". What a bonanza Obama 1 has found; a true/rare political nuance. They are almost political clones aren't they?, in the sense/spirit of age, experience, visions for the "left" and quite possibly the fringes of "socialism". One will wonder who will really be running the show in the doldrums of the White House? Will Joe be limber enough to first climb the ladder to the socialistic high dive and then later qualify for the ultimate Olympic progressive double-reverse gainer. Nah! better to be a little conservative for awhile anyway; first, prioritize, delegate and set down the rules of this basketball court first, maybe solidify the chemical ingredients of hope and change perhaps at the local 24 hour "waffle house"; there because Joe may have forgotten how Washington has changed in his prolonged absence and is about to be revolution-(ized) by "Las brisas nuevas y jovenes"(the young?,-guns) that are about to indoctrinate, er-, I mean "sweep the nation". Maybe Joe is about to learn how true change and hope will manifest itself as he too increases the flexibility of his spine; because there really is a direct?, relationship between age and the lithness of the mind?, er-I mean spine, isn't there? So all you fellow and equal or is it separate but equal? citizens of the planet, hear the call and watch the "new-age" architects (along with P. Hilton), rock not only your world but our America as we become borderless, soulless but certainly not mindless?, in the name of the newest most unsinkable?, unstoppable(because there will be no oceanic boundaries)ship called the Hope and Change.
Gutentag?, I knew I forgot to work on one what will surely be a newly required world order language(s)today, to try and distantly approach the aresenal of foreign language competencies that the boys of Change surely possess.

Posted by: ken b | August 23, 2008 7:49 PM

Lose the hate Democrats. Obama supporters need to stop attacking Hillary and her supporters. Having to convince them to not vote McCain is your OWN fault, stop disrespecting and hating your fellow Democrats, you are playing right into the hands of the real enemy, the Republicans. Hillary supporters on the other hand need to look past the rhetoric, ditch the hatred too and realize this is a race as was the primary and anyone running will do what they need to to win, they ALL do it. Hillary will always remain 'our girl' but for this moment it is Obama's and now Joe Biden's show. Help them out and let's put a Democrat back in the White House so that America can prosper and grow once again. Be a dedicated Democrat and a patriotic American, vote the Republicans out! Listen to Obama speak, listen to Biden speak, then be honest about who you think would make the better President, Obama or McCain? You will regret your vote if you waste it on McCain, don't be stupid. It's obvious, McCain is NOT what America needs, he is a liar and will be a continuation of Bush, no doubt.

As a staunch Hillary supporter, with Obama's choice of Joe Biden, I am fully now behind the Obama/Biden ticket.

Lose the hate, let's get it right this time, we don't need another destructive Republican in the White House.

Posted by: Democrats 08 | August 23, 2008 7:46 PM

Although I would Have preferred Hilary. I will still stick with Obama. Because even with Biden on the ticket it is still better than McCain
, and voting for any other party is virtually not voting at all

Posted by: Alonzo | August 23, 2008 7:37 PM

to the honest truth, hey we shouldn't have invaded Iraq in the first place, people like you who voted for the idiots that got us into this mess in the 1st place and that is the real honest truth.

Posted by: the honest honest truth, | August 23, 2008 7:36 PM

Ronald Reagan in his diary June 15, 1987 observed Sen. Joe Biden as;
a " pure demagogue"

definition; a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power

Posted by: rtfanning | August 23, 2008 7:33 PM

McCain would prove, with his Iraq war, how weak the USA has become. All the hot-headed neoconservative Republicans will eventually have to realize that the Empire has fallen. Faded memories, spurred on by the old television myths, are all that is left. It is up to the Bush clan to find some way to lift themselves out and away from the country they have ruined. A "democratic renewal" will mean little without justice served to those criminals who lied.

Posted by: ROwbot | August 23, 2008 7:18 PM

Hi Honest Truth,

Is a victory in Iraq worth putting China on top of the U.S. as the globes most dominant super power? Is it worth shoving relevant global issues aside (not just climate, but sociopolitical, etc.) for one battle concerning a resource that should, by all rights of human ingenuity, be outdated in one hundred years? I think that the scope of the war in Iraq has been taken out of context to subvert the concerns of the American people, and I think it's a shame that you don't see that...

Posted by: JR | August 23, 2008 7:14 PM

This is supposed to be "analysis" article. So why would you write "Bush-McCain policies," as though McCain is the President's chief policy advisor or something? C'mon. Keep your opinions in the opinion section.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 7:11 PM

This is supposed to be "analysis" article. So why would you write "Bush-McCain policies," as though McCain is the President's chief policy advisor or something? C'mon. Keep your opinions in the opinion section.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 7:10 PM

Barack Obama has virtually no chance of getting elected. He may be the most capable candidate to run for the office since John F. Kennedy but that does not matter. He has a handicap that far exceeds Kennedy's being Irish Catholic and Biden isn't going to make the difference. Indeed, with General Electric using NBC, CNBC and MSNBC to color Obama in negative terms, Time Warner's CNN taking every opportunity to play the race card, and Fox serving its usual propaganda role, it is amazing that Obama even has the slim chance of winning that the polls indicate.

Posted by: James Hamilton, Jr. | August 23, 2008 7:09 PM

Biden is a great pick! I love it. Obama and Biden will have their work cut out for them, though, to reverse eight years of Bush catastrophes. And all McCain wants to do is make it worse! I'm betting he'll nominate Heck-uv-a-job Brownie for his VP pick.

Posted by: John from NC | August 23, 2008 7:08 PM

Yes Biden is a wise choice. It will be harder for McCain to sling insults and twist the truth with Biden around to help drag out the skeletons in McCain's closet. Also it would be hard to find a better backup President than Joe Biden. Will be interesting to see who McCain picks. Wouldn't it be scary if he chose Tom Ridge? And although Romney has some good qualities it would also be an uncomfortable union of religion and government given McCain's recent conversion ("This will be a pro-life government!" he tells the evangelists).

Interesting times. Will the positive progressive, worldcentric vision beat out the old-timey, traditionalist, ethnocentric clinging to the past alternative?

Posted by: Mike Robinson | August 23, 2008 7:07 PM

We need a new kind of politician, like Barack Obama, one who will listen to both sides of an issue, not just the well healed business donors that support the Republicans; one who is more concerned about the average American and how to improve his lot, than the Republicans who seem to always favor big business. We need someone who had the brains to be slected as Editor of the Harvard Law Review, and the wisdom to come out against the war in Iraq at great political risk,Barack Obama. Obama could have chosen the life working in a big fancy law firm and catering to the fat cats, but his heart took him to care about the little people and it is these little people who are the real strength of this country, who send their sons to fight our battles, who pay their taxes without cheating, who deserve a leader in Washington who understands them and will fight for them.

Posted by: JSW | August 23, 2008 7:05 PM

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 7:01 PM

Look -- the war in Iraq has been a complete success. There's no question about it. McCain has been behind it all the way and with him in the driver seat we will ultimately succeed. At that point we can be sure we will have a lasting peace in the Mideast. We can't afford to have the US run tail like we did in Vietnam. Only McCain can secure our victory. It doesn't matter how much it will cost us; we have to prove to the world how strong we are.

Posted by: the honest truth | August 23, 2008 7:00 PM

Sorry if no one likes it, but Biden was the best choice. He's brutally honest, and Obama WANTS someone who will second guess him instead of a "yes" man.

A Obama-Hillary ticket would not fly and everyone knows it. You can not have a Presidential trinity of Obama/Hillary/Bill. It wouldn't have worked. So get over it. A more powerful ticket probably would've been Hilary as President and Obama as VP, but that's just not the way it worked out.

Obama picked Biden because he compensates for all of Obama's apparent weaknesses. Hillary's experience DOES NOT complement Obama, so get over it.

Posted by: Justin | August 23, 2008 6:59 PM

Joe Biden has always voted against our military as for spending and support. All he really is planning to do is bash Bush and McCain and the rest of the republican in office. Bussiness is done the same way as always with him. Chuck Schuumer Is the same way. Both are a major waste of our time. Obama is nothing but a clone of those two.

Posted by: f plecas | August 23, 2008 6:58 PM


This is a slap in the face to all Democrats who craved "change". I suggest looking to Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente, who are heading the Green Party ticket.

http://www.gp.org/index.php

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 6:58 PM

"SO MIUCH FOR CHANGE" YOUR STUPID CANDIDATE MCCAIN IS OLDER THEN A DINOSAUR AND STUPID. BIDEN IS 10 TIMES SMARTER THEN MCCAIN.YOU REPUBLICANS ARE HEADING THE WAY OF THE DINOSAURS EXTINCT.

Posted by: Tom Sanchez | August 23, 2008 6:53 PM

wow. wake up! You can't vote for Biden. Are you smoking crack. Must be too much time in front of the computer

Posted by: buddhistcowboy | August 23, 2008 6:53 PM

After all of Obama's double talk, anti-American setinemt, inexperience, ignorant statements, and blunders through tough questions, it takes a decision like this to finally open people's eyes to the extreme lack of wisdom this man has.

McCain's attacks on Obama ARE accurate.

With an Obama/Biden ticket, we can expect to have more power given to Pelosi, and with that an increase in Fascist/Leftist style of management of our country. Taxes will be raised to give more money to undeserving social programs and radical environmentalist-elitist groups who will stop at nothing to hinder American growth.

Posted by: Mike Westwind | August 23, 2008 6:52 PM

Sorry Obama...you just lost my vote. And no, I will not vote for McBush. You disappoint me.

Posted by: James R | August 23, 2008 6:42 PM

Obama is a corrupt, pandering, fraud of a Chicago politician. He picks Biden, no change there. Biden is older than dirt, has been part of the Washington machine for ions, and he has had two brain aneurisms. So much for being a heart beat away from the Presidency. Same old politics. So much for change. Obama is a liar. The funny thing is that Biden has been a leading critic of Obama's lack of experience. Instead of picking an old school DC hack he should have picked Hillary. Obama was too egotistical to do that...
http://www.youtube.com/user/brightamericaneyes

Posted by: American Eyes | August 23, 2008 6:40 PM

Obama is a corrupt, pandering, fraud of a Chicago politician. He picks Biden, no change there. Biden is older than dirt, has been part of the Washington machine for ions, and he has had two brain aneurisms. So much for being a heart beat away from the Presidency. Same old politics. So much for change. Obama is a liar. The funny thing is that Biden has been a leading critic of Obama's lack of experience. Instead of picking an old school DC hack he should have picked Hillary. Obama was too egotistical to do that...
http://www.youtube.com/user/brightamericaneyes

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 6:40 PM

I am frankly surprised that there were any Hillary Clinton supporters still out there believing she was going to be chosen for the VP candidate slot. Clinton made sure that she would be cut off with her vicious attacks (most being used by the Republicans now) that

Posted by: Ann | August 23, 2008 6:38 PM

Let the poker game begin....We'll raise you one BIDEN and give you one Lieberman....OBAMA '08

Posted by: benighse | August 23, 2008 6:37 PM

Those who are so self-fish and seft-centered because their so-called candidates were not picked, go ahead and vote McCain and you will get another 4 years of the same.

Posted by: silverspring | August 23, 2008 6:34 PM

Obama is a corrupt, pandering, fraud and chicago politician. He picks Biden, no change there. Same old politics. Biden is older than dirt and has had two brain aneurisms. A heart beat away from the presidency, I don't think so. I'm bitterly clinging to my guns and religion and voting for McCain.

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 6:31 PM

What a shame. Obama had ever reason to pick Hillary Clinton. Even their detractors said this would be an unbeatable combination.

I now do not know what to do. I would have voted for Obama/Clinton, no matter which was up for which office.

But I cannot vote for Joe Biden. That Obama has chosen him shows such poor decision-making on Obama's part that I no longer think Obama is presidential material.

This is all such a shame. Such a potentially good thing down the toilet.

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Posted by: Sue Basko | August 23, 2008 6:27 PM

"In April, Biden gave a speech at Georgetown University in which he said there is "no daylight between John McCain and George Bush. They are joined at the hip.""

The McCain campaign's reaction, claiming Biden was Obama's harshest critic is totally tuning out his disagreement with John McCain. Nice try GOP.

Here's the video of what Joe Biden said about John McCain:

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/joe-biden-there-is-no-daylight-between-george-bush-and-john-mccain/

Posted by: European_Elitist | August 23, 2008 6:27 PM

The McCain running now is not the McCain we saw in 2000. He was more of Maverick before but especially since 2004 he has been towing the party line more and more. The Republicans have had 8 years and have screwed things up royally. Its time for a change. The (false) attack ads say Obama is going to raise taxes but actually what he is proposing to do is take things back to the 2000 levels before Bush started handing out favors to his fat cat friends.

Posted by: Jack | August 23, 2008 6:27 PM

Biden was the best choice despite the small differences. If elected I think this dynamic duo will be the best thing this country has seen in decades.

Posted by: Will D. | August 23, 2008 6:25 PM

I was going to vote for Obama, but I can't vote for Biden. And there's no way I'd vote for McCarzy so Bob Barr will get my vote.

Posted by: DWayne | August 23, 2008 6:17 PM

High Strangeness Obama and McCain political ads.

Watching the random political adds showing up on http://illusions.me it first appears to be an Obama or McCain ad but then a few strange twists leaves one wondering did the Obama campaign do an ad for McCain and the McCain campaign do an ad for Obama? Or is it some others? Which is fitting because the page is about illusions and creating appearances.

Are some creating the appearance of being from a certain source only to disparage in subtle ways?

Posted by: Richard Thomas | August 23, 2008 6:13 PM

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