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Debating the Wisdom of Choosing Biden

By Zachary A. Goldfarb
A day before the start of the Democratic convention, former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani criticized the selection of Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) as Sen. Barack Obama's running mate, saying Biden underscores Obama's flaws.

"Senator Obama has made a choice more out of weakness than strength," Giuliani said today on ABC's "This Week."

Giuliani, who ran for the Republican nomination, said the presumptive Democratic nominee should have chosen Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), Obama's chief rival in the nomination process.

"She had 50 percent of the Democratic vote. Obama has 50 percent of the Democratic vote," the former mayor said. "You almost have to go to extraordinary lengths to avoid her as the vice presidential pick of the party."

Giuliani was the only Republican to appear on the five interview shows.

Top Obama advisers, who declined Saturday to elaborate on how the Illinois senator made his selection, said today that the choice was anchored as much in Biden's biography as in his long experience in foreign affairs.

They emphasized Biden's "working-class" roots, as the son of a Scranton, Pa., car salesman, the fact that he works in Washington but commutes home to Wilmington each day, and the challenges he has faced, including the sudden death of his first wife and daughter.

"Senator Joe Biden's personal story has been tested many, many times," Robert Gibbs, Obama's communications director, said on "Fox News Sunday." He added that Biden has "unparalleled foreign policy experience."


"I think what attracted Senator Obama was Biden's wisdom," said David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist, on ABC.

Axelrod said Biden's wisdom was gained not in Washington but "when you overcome adversity, tragedy in your life as he has. The kind of wisdom you get in the working-class communities of Scranton, Pennsylvania, and Wilmington, Delaware."

Pennsylvania Gov. Edward Rendell, one of Clinton's strongest supporters in the Democratic primaries, said an Obama-Clinton ticket would have been just as strong as Obama-Biden.

"They're equally good tickets. Hillary Clinton obviously has a longer relationship with a broader spectrum of voters, women voters," he said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "But Joe Biden's going to grow on the American people very fast."

Axelrod said that Obama sat down with Clinton shortly after the end of the primaries to talk about the vice presidential process.

"They had a discussion back in early June about it. And he spent more time with Senator Clinton alone, talking about issues than he has with Joe Biden or anyone else," he said.

He said it wasn't necessary to screen Clinton as a potential vice president as much as others.

Obama "knew her, he knew her very well, and so there wasn't the same need as there was for other candidates," he said.

Gibbs acknowledged that some Clinton supporters remain aggravated by the primaries' result. Polls show that, three months after the last primary, Clinton supporters have still not unified behind Obama.

"There's no question that people had strong feelings about their nominee. We went from beginning to end," he said.

Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter (D) said the coming week would bring Obama and Clinton supporters together.

"I think that's going to be the role of the convention, to really be a unifying time," Ritter said. "I think it'll have a unifying effect."

Rendell said that Obama needs to do more to explain his specific policies to Americans.

"He's got to talk about economic issues, and he's got to be more clear," Rendell said, asking for more specifics about how the Obama tax plan would affect the working class.

Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who was on Obama's shortlist for the Democratic ticket, agreed.

"We need, certainly, Senator Obama to let the Americans know what his plan is for, as president of the United States, how he's going to help rebuild, restore the middle class," she said.

Axelrod rejected the view of some liberals that Obama has failed to come up with specific policies that live up to his soaring rhetoric.

"I don't accept that that's what Barack Obama hasn't been doing, and I think that he will give a clear picture again this week of where we have to go," Axelrod said.

Gibbs was asked whether Biden's long experience in Washington -- 10 years more than John McCain's -- undermines Obama's promise to change the capital.

"Joe Biden works in Washington but he doesn't live there," Gibbs responded. "He is somebody who never has forgotten where he's from. ... He's a down-to-earth kind of guy."

Gibbs also faced clips from a Democratic debate where Biden, then running for the presidential nomination, expressed doubts about whether Obama was experienced enough to be president.

Gibbs said those kinds of clips are to be expected.

"You can pull up a lot of quotes from August when these two guys were running against each other," Gibbs said.

Gibbs acknowledged that Biden sometimes has an unhelpful tendency to be loquacious.

"He'd probably plead guilty to that," Gibbs said, adding: "We didn't hire him for his stunning good looks."

Gibbs rejected the notion that Obama advertisements attacking McCain over the fact that he could not recall in an interview how many houses he owns is an example of the "slash-and-burn" politics he once said he would reject.

"It's a legitimate issue. ... [McCain] either forgot how many he has or he just wasn't being truthful with those reporters," Gibbs said. "You're out of touch if you have seven houses and don't even remember."

On Fox, Virginia Gov. Timothy Kaine (D) said Biden's history as a son of a car salesman would appeal to working-class voters struggling in the current economy. Similarly, he said, Obama came from no wealth.

"These two candidates understand the plight of working Americans," Kaine said.

Kaine, who was also on Obama's shortlist, said on Fox that Biden would still help Obama win votes in his state, since he "comes from a state, Delaware, that borders Virginia." (The states are actually separated by Maryland.)

Kaine added that Biden is popular with military voters and "Virginia is a very military state."

Ritter said on Fox that Obama appeals to independent voters who have migrated to the Mountain West over the past six years.

"The West has changed. ... The independents in the West are really looking for leadership," he said. "The change that Obama speaks of, we've previewed it in the West."

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Didn't write the Giuliani Blog AnonymousCoward did and signed my name like the Cheating Coward Emperor's clothes admirer he is...
I wrote this one-

Hey Paul S your side hired baby alex to begin the mud slinging remember? Now your lightweight candidate seems to be both reveling and sinking in it
Can you name Bidens 7 glass houses?
1 iowa comment regarding african americans ruining dc schools
2 iran no nuclear threat
3 indian 7 eleven jibe
4 obama hygeine is storybook
5 almost thrown out of law school
6 claimed to be top of his class
7 proud to run with or vs mccain

and posted this one:
Todays WPost

Biden's Son, Brother Named in Two Suits
By Kimberly Kindy and Joe Stephens
Washington Post Staff Writers

Sunday, August 24, 2008; Page A09

A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records show.

The Democratic vice presidential candidate's son Hunter, 38, and brother James, 59, assert instead that their former partner defrauded them by misrepresenting his experience in the hedge fund industry and recommending that they hire a lawyer with felony convictions.

The legal actions have been playing out in New York State Supreme Court since 2007, and they focus on Hunter and James Biden's involvement in Paradigm Companies LLC, a hedge fund group. Hunter Biden, a Washington lobbyist, briefly served as president of the firm.

A lawsuit filed by their former partner Anthony Lotito Jr. asserts in court papers that the deal was crafted to get Hunter Biden out of lobbying because his father was concerned about the impact it would have on his bid for the White House. Biden was running for the Democratic nomination at the time the suit was filed.

Hunter Biden was made president with an annual salary of $1.2 million, despite his inexperience in the hedge fund industry, the lawsuit said. Before that, he had been part of the Washington law firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair, which earned $1.76 million in lobbying revenue in the first half of 2006, according to Congressional Quarterly's CQ MoneyLine. One of its biggest clients is the National Association of Shareholder and Consumer Attorneys, a District-based group representing law firms specializing in investment and corporate law.


Hunter Biden is one of many children and relatives of prominent members of Congress who have made their careers as lobbyists. He returned to lobbying after less than a year with Paradigm.

Lotito's lawsuit alleges that James Biden called him in January 2006 to arrange a job for Hunter Biden. It says James Biden told him that his brother (Sen. Biden) "was concerned with the impact that Hunter's lobbying activities might have on his expected campaign for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination," and, "Biden told Lotito that, in light of these concerns, his brother had asked him to seek Lotito's assistance in finding employment for Hunter in a non-lobbying capacity."

Lotito does not provide any direct evidence of the senator's involvement and offers no witnesses to the assertion.

The campaign of Sens. Barack Obama and Biden declined to comment on the case, referring questions to Nicholas Gravante Jr., a lawyer representing Hunter and James Biden. Gravante said assertions that Joseph Biden told his brother he was concerned about his son's lobbying are "absolutely false."
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Great Choice...12/07 "Iran poses no nuclear threat to the United States"
J. Biden

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 12:42 AM

Didn't write the Giuliani Blog AnonymousCoward did and signed my name like the Cheating Coward Emperor's clothes admirer he is...
I wrote this one-

Hey Paul S your side hired baby alex to begin the mud slinging remember? Now your lightweight candidate seems to be both reveling and sinking in it
Can you name Bidens 7 glass houses?
1 iowa comment regarding african americans ruining dc schools
2 iran no nuclear threat
3 indian 7 eleven jibe
4 obama hygeine is storybook
5 almost thrown out of law school
6 claimed to be top of his class
7 proud to run with or vs mccain

and posted this one:
Todays WPost

Biden's Son, Brother Named in Two Suits
By Kimberly Kindy and Joe Stephens
Washington Post Staff Writers

Sunday, August 24, 2008; Page A09

A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records show.

The Democratic vice presidential candidate's son Hunter, 38, and brother James, 59, assert instead that their former partner defrauded them by misrepresenting his experience in the hedge fund industry and recommending that they hire a lawyer with felony convictions.

The legal actions have been playing out in New York State Supreme Court since 2007, and they focus on Hunter and James Biden's involvement in Paradigm Companies LLC, a hedge fund group. Hunter Biden, a Washington lobbyist, briefly served as president of the firm.

A lawsuit filed by their former partner Anthony Lotito Jr. asserts in court papers that the deal was crafted to get Hunter Biden out of lobbying because his father was concerned about the impact it would have on his bid for the White House. Biden was running for the Democratic nomination at the time the suit was filed.

Hunter Biden was made president with an annual salary of $1.2 million, despite his inexperience in the hedge fund industry, the lawsuit said. Before that, he had been part of the Washington law firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair, which earned $1.76 million in lobbying revenue in the first half of 2006, according to Congressional Quarterly's CQ MoneyLine. One of its biggest clients is the National Association of Shareholder and Consumer Attorneys, a District-based group representing law firms specializing in investment and corporate law.


Hunter Biden is one of many children and relatives of prominent members of Congress who have made their careers as lobbyists. He returned to lobbying after less than a year with Paradigm.

Lotito's lawsuit alleges that James Biden called him in January 2006 to arrange a job for Hunter Biden. It says James Biden told him that his brother (Sen. Biden) "was concerned with the impact that Hunter's lobbying activities might have on his expected campaign for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination," and, "Biden told Lotito that, in light of these concerns, his brother had asked him to seek Lotito's assistance in finding employment for Hunter in a non-lobbying capacity."

Lotito does not provide any direct evidence of the senator's involvement and offers no witnesses to the assertion.

The campaign of Sens. Barack Obama and Biden declined to comment on the case, referring questions to Nicholas Gravante Jr., a lawyer representing Hunter and James Biden. Gravante said assertions that Joseph Biden told his brother he was concerned about his son's lobbying are "absolutely false."
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Great Choice...12/07 "Iran poses no nuclear threat to the United States"
J. Biden

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:41 AM

Didn't write the Giuliani Blog AnonymousCoward did and signed my name loke the cheating coward emperor clothes admirer he is
I wrote this one

Hey Paul S your side hired baby alex to begin the mud slinging remember? Now your lightweight candidate seems to be both reveling and sinking in it
Can you name Bidens 7 glass houses?
1 iowa comment regarding african americans ruining dc schools
2 iran no nuclear threat
3 indian 7 eleven jibe
4 obama hygeine is storybook
5 almost thrown out of law school
6 claimed to be top of his class
7 proud to run with or vs mccain

and posted this one:
Todays WPost

Biden's Son, Brother Named in Two Suits
By Kimberly Kindy and Joe Stephens
Washington Post Staff Writers

Sunday, August 24, 2008; Page A09

A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records show.

The Democratic vice presidential candidate's son Hunter, 38, and brother James, 59, assert instead that their former partner defrauded them by misrepresenting his experience in the hedge fund industry and recommending that they hire a lawyer with felony convictions.

The legal actions have been playing out in New York State Supreme Court since 2007, and they focus on Hunter and James Biden's involvement in Paradigm Companies LLC, a hedge fund group. Hunter Biden, a Washington lobbyist, briefly served as president of the firm.

A lawsuit filed by their former partner Anthony Lotito Jr. asserts in court papers that the deal was crafted to get Hunter Biden out of lobbying because his father was concerned about the impact it would have on his bid for the White House. Biden was running for the Democratic nomination at the time the suit was filed.

Hunter Biden was made president with an annual salary of $1.2 million, despite his inexperience in the hedge fund industry, the lawsuit said. Before that, he had been part of the Washington law firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair, which earned $1.76 million in lobbying revenue in the first half of 2006, according to Congressional Quarterly's CQ MoneyLine. One of its biggest clients is the National Association of Shareholder and Consumer Attorneys, a District-based group representing law firms specializing in investment and corporate law.


Hunter Biden is one of many children and relatives of prominent members of Congress who have made their careers as lobbyists. He returned to lobbying after less than a year with Paradigm.

Lotito's lawsuit alleges that James Biden called him in January 2006 to arrange a job for Hunter Biden. It says James Biden told him that his brother (Sen. Biden) "was concerned with the impact that Hunter's lobbying activities might have on his expected campaign for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination," and, "Biden told Lotito that, in light of these concerns, his brother had asked him to seek Lotito's assistance in finding employment for Hunter in a non-lobbying capacity."

Lotito does not provide any direct evidence of the senator's involvement and offers no witnesses to the assertion.

The campaign of Sens. Barack Obama and Biden declined to comment on the case, referring questions to Nicholas Gravante Jr., a lawyer representing Hunter and James Biden. Gravante said assertions that Joseph Biden told his brother he was concerned about his son's lobbying are "absolutely false."
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Great Choice...12/07 "Iran poses no nuclear threat to the United States"
J. Biden

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 12:39 AM


Didn't write the Giuliani Story AnonymousCoward did Iwrote this one

Hey Paul S your side hired baby alex to begin the mud slinging remember? Now your lightweight candidate seems to be both reveling and sinking in it
Can you name Bidens 7 glass houses?
1 iowa comment regarding african americans ruining dc schools
2 iran no nuclear threat
3 indian 7 eleven jibe
4 obama hygeine is storybook
5 almost thrown out of law school
6 claimed to be top of his class
7 proud to run with or vs mccain

and posted this one:
Todays WPost

Biden's Son, Brother Named in Two Suits
By Kimberly Kindy and Joe Stephens
Washington Post Staff Writers

Sunday, August 24, 2008; Page A09

A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records show.

The Democratic vice presidential candidate's son Hunter, 38, and brother James, 59, assert instead that their former partner defrauded them by misrepresenting his experience in the hedge fund industry and recommending that they hire a lawyer with felony convictions.

The legal actions have been playing out in New York State Supreme Court since 2007, and they focus on Hunter and James Biden's involvement in Paradigm Companies LLC, a hedge fund group. Hunter Biden, a Washington lobbyist, briefly served as president of the firm.

A lawsuit filed by their former partner Anthony Lotito Jr. asserts in court papers that the deal was crafted to get Hunter Biden out of lobbying because his father was concerned about the impact it would have on his bid for the White House. Biden was running for the Democratic nomination at the time the suit was filed.

Hunter Biden was made president with an annual salary of $1.2 million, despite his inexperience in the hedge fund industry, the lawsuit said. Before that, he had been part of the Washington law firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair, which earned $1.76 million in lobbying revenue in the first half of 2006, according to Congressional Quarterly's CQ MoneyLine. One of its biggest clients is the National Association of Shareholder and Consumer Attorneys, a District-based group representing law firms specializing in investment and corporate law.


Hunter Biden is one of many children and relatives of prominent members of Congress who have made their careers as lobbyists. He returned to lobbying after less than a year with Paradigm.

Lotito's lawsuit alleges that James Biden called him in January 2006 to arrange a job for Hunter Biden. It says James Biden told him that his brother (Sen. Biden) "was concerned with the impact that Hunter's lobbying activities might have on his expected campaign for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination," and, "Biden told Lotito that, in light of these concerns, his brother had asked him to seek Lotito's assistance in finding employment for Hunter in a non-lobbying capacity."

Lotito does not provide any direct evidence of the senator's involvement and offers no witnesses to the assertion.

The campaign of Sens. Barack Obama and Biden declined to comment on the case, referring questions to Nicholas Gravante Jr., a lawyer representing Hunter and James Biden. Gravante said assertions that Joseph Biden told his brother he was concerned about his son's lobbying are "absolutely false."
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Great Choice...12/07 "Iran poses no nuclear threat to the United States"
J. Biden


Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 12:01 AM

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 12:36 AM

Nobody cares what Rudolph Giuliani thinks, including Republicans. If they did he would have got more than one electoral vote for the millions of dollars he spent running for president.

Biden is a great pick, moderate Republicans like former Republican Congressman Leach would vote for an Obama/Biden ticket, they would never vote for a Obama/Clinton ticket.

McCain would pick Lindsey Graham as his VP except for the whole don't ask, don't tell thing between military types.

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 12:32 AM

Didn't write the Giuliani Story wrote this one

Hey Paul S your side hired baby alex to begin the mud slinging remember? Now your lightweight candidate seems to be both reveling and sinking in it
Can you name Bidens 7 glass houses?
1 iowa comment regarding african americans ruining dc schools
2 iran no nuclear threat
3 indian 7 eleven jibe
4 obama hygeine is storybook
5 almost thrown out of law school
6 claimed to be top of his class
7 proud to run with or vs mccain

and posted this one:
Todays WPost

Biden's Son, Brother Named in Two Suits
By Kimberly Kindy and Joe Stephens
Washington Post Staff Writers

Sunday, August 24, 2008; Page A09

A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records show.

The Democratic vice presidential candidate's son Hunter, 38, and brother James, 59, assert instead that their former partner defrauded them by misrepresenting his experience in the hedge fund industry and recommending that they hire a lawyer with felony convictions.

The legal actions have been playing out in New York State Supreme Court since 2007, and they focus on Hunter and James Biden's involvement in Paradigm Companies LLC, a hedge fund group. Hunter Biden, a Washington lobbyist, briefly served as president of the firm.

A lawsuit filed by their former partner Anthony Lotito Jr. asserts in court papers that the deal was crafted to get Hunter Biden out of lobbying because his father was concerned about the impact it would have on his bid for the White House. Biden was running for the Democratic nomination at the time the suit was filed.

Hunter Biden was made president with an annual salary of $1.2 million, despite his inexperience in the hedge fund industry, the lawsuit said. Before that, he had been part of the Washington law firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair, which earned $1.76 million in lobbying revenue in the first half of 2006, according to Congressional Quarterly's CQ MoneyLine. One of its biggest clients is the National Association of Shareholder and Consumer Attorneys, a District-based group representing law firms specializing in investment and corporate law.


Hunter Biden is one of many children and relatives of prominent members of Congress who have made their careers as lobbyists. He returned to lobbying after less than a year with Paradigm.

Lotito's lawsuit alleges that James Biden called him in January 2006 to arrange a job for Hunter Biden. It says James Biden told him that his brother (Sen. Biden) "was concerned with the impact that Hunter's lobbying activities might have on his expected campaign for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination," and, "Biden told Lotito that, in light of these concerns, his brother had asked him to seek Lotito's assistance in finding employment for Hunter in a non-lobbying capacity."

Lotito does not provide any direct evidence of the senator's involvement and offers no witnesses to the assertion.

The campaign of Sens. Barack Obama and Biden declined to comment on the case, referring questions to Nicholas Gravante Jr., a lawyer representing Hunter and James Biden. Gravante said assertions that Joseph Biden told his brother he was concerned about his son's lobbying are "absolutely false."
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Great Choice...12/07 "Iran poses no nuclear threat to the United States"
J. Biden

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 12:01 AM

Didn't write the Giuliani Story wrote this one

Hey Paul S your side hired baby alex to begin the mud slinging remember? Now your lightweight candidate seems to be both reveling and sinking in it
Can you name Bidens 7 glass houses?
1 iowa comment regarding african americans ruining dc schools
2 iran no nuclear threat
3 indian 7 eleven jibe
4 obama hygeine is storybook
5 almost thrown out of law school
6 claimed to be top of his class
7 proud to run with or vs mccain

and posted this one:
Todays WPost

Biden's Son, Brother Named in Two Suits
By Kimberly Kindy and Joe Stephens
Washington Post Staff Writers

Sunday, August 24, 2008; Page A09

A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records show.

The Democratic vice presidential candidate's son Hunter, 38, and brother James, 59, assert instead that their former partner defrauded them by misrepresenting his experience in the hedge fund industry and recommending that they hire a lawyer with felony convictions.

The legal actions have been playing out in New York State Supreme Court since 2007, and they focus on Hunter and James Biden's involvement in Paradigm Companies LLC, a hedge fund group. Hunter Biden, a Washington lobbyist, briefly served as president of the firm.

A lawsuit filed by their former partner Anthony Lotito Jr. asserts in court papers that the deal was crafted to get Hunter Biden out of lobbying because his father was concerned about the impact it would have on his bid for the White House. Biden was running for the Democratic nomination at the time the suit was filed.

Hunter Biden was made president with an annual salary of $1.2 million, despite his inexperience in the hedge fund industry, the lawsuit said. Before that, he had been part of the Washington law firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair, which earned $1.76 million in lobbying revenue in the first half of 2006, according to Congressional Quarterly's CQ MoneyLine. One of its biggest clients is the National Association of Shareholder and Consumer Attorneys, a District-based group representing law firms specializing in investment and corporate law.


Hunter Biden is one of many children and relatives of prominent members of Congress who have made their careers as lobbyists. He returned to lobbying after less than a year with Paradigm.

Lotito's lawsuit alleges that James Biden called him in January 2006 to arrange a job for Hunter Biden. It says James Biden told him that his brother (Sen. Biden) "was concerned with the impact that Hunter's lobbying activities might have on his expected campaign for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination," and, "Biden told Lotito that, in light of these concerns, his brother had asked him to seek Lotito's assistance in finding employment for Hunter in a non-lobbying capacity."

Lotito does not provide any direct evidence of the senator's involvement and offers no witnesses to the assertion.

The campaign of Sens. Barack Obama and Biden declined to comment on the case, referring questions to Nicholas Gravante Jr., a lawyer representing Hunter and James Biden. Gravante said assertions that Joseph Biden told his brother he was concerned about his son's lobbying are "absolutely false."
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Great Choice...12/07 "Iran poses no nuclear threat to the United States"
J. Biden

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:00 AM

Nobody cares what Rudolph Giuliani thinks, including Republicans. If they did he would have got more than one electoral vote for the millions of dollars he spent running for president.

Biden is a great pick, moderate Republicans like former Republican Congressman Leach would vote for an Obama/Biden ticket, they would never vote for a Obama/Clinton ticket.

McCain would pick Lindsey Graham as his VP except for the whole don't ask, don't tell thing between military types.

Posted by: Scott | August 24, 2008 11:54 PM

Paul stewart please see below working with a blackberry:

Posted by: scott | August 24, 2008 8:23 PM

Hey oaul stevens your side hired baby alex to begin the mud slinging remember? Now your lightweight candidate seems to be both reveling and sinking in it
Can you name Bidens 7 glass houses?
1 iowa comment regarding african americans ruining dc schools
2 iran no nuclear threat
3 indian 7 eleven jibe
4 obama hygeine is storybook
5 almost thrown out of law school
6 claimed to be top of his class
7 proud to run with or vs mccain

Posted by: scott | August 24, 2008 8:17 PM

I just want to point out that it is time that the likes of "rodhug" get out of this web space and others where there is an attempt to discuss real issues with real people.

Certainly, such individuals would do better on www.KKK or similar bent places/spaces. I say, if you can't speak truth then you are not real people. I say find your own kind and hug them don't waste everyone's time. And, in my opinion, you have no moral right posting this kind of ignorant, hateful, false, propaganda. You are clearly in need of help or you are from the McCain guerrilla terrorist political machine.

So much for a civil campaign. And for those saying Obama promised not to sling mud. Hey, McCain will get what is coming to him such as did Hillary. And, like his 7 to 10 houses or whatever, it will be grounded firmly in truth. I am sure, if you read this, your reply will be priceless.

The anonymity the web affords is not meant to be the greatest guerrilla weapon to falsely accuse good men. You can hide behind "freedom of speech" and "opinion" but you are committing a moral sin here when you lie.

And I am confident the majority of right thinking Americans will not be fooled again.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | August 24, 2008 7:21 PM

Obama should have chosen Biden. I favored Tim Kaine, but Obama favored Biden. Why would anyone suggest that Obama select someone other than in whom he has confidence? Anyone who suggest that some other criteria for selection should be used is either desirous of an Obama loss or likes to advertise his stupidity, or possibly both.

I think Rudy Giulliani has proven in the past that he is both.

Posted by: Gator-ron | August 24, 2008 7:16 PM

The pundits compared this ticket to Bush/Cheney ticket. Do Democrats really want to have similar ticket running the country for more years? I do not think so. I thought the point of Obama’s run was “change” not more of the same.

Posted by: Wiel | August 24, 2008 7:02 PM

Todays WPost

Biden's Son, Brother Named in Two Suits
By Kimberly Kindy and Joe Stephens
Washington Post Staff Writers

Sunday, August 24, 2008; Page A09

A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records show.

The Democratic vice presidential candidate's son Hunter, 38, and brother James, 59, assert instead that their former partner defrauded them by misrepresenting his experience in the hedge fund industry and recommending that they hire a lawyer with felony convictions.

The legal actions have been playing out in New York State Supreme Court since 2007, and they focus on Hunter and James Biden's involvement in Paradigm Companies LLC, a hedge fund group. Hunter Biden, a Washington lobbyist, briefly served as president of the firm.

A lawsuit filed by their former partner Anthony Lotito Jr. asserts in court papers that the deal was crafted to get Hunter Biden out of lobbying because his father was concerned about the impact it would have on his bid for the White House. Biden was running for the Democratic nomination at the time the suit was filed.

Hunter Biden was made president with an annual salary of $1.2 million, despite his inexperience in the hedge fund industry, the lawsuit said. Before that, he had been part of the Washington law firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair, which earned $1.76 million in lobbying revenue in the first half of 2006, according to Congressional Quarterly's CQ MoneyLine. One of its biggest clients is the National Association of Shareholder and Consumer Attorneys, a District-based group representing law firms specializing in investment and corporate law.


Hunter Biden is one of many children and relatives of prominent members of Congress who have made their careers as lobbyists. He returned to lobbying after less than a year with Paradigm.

Lotito's lawsuit alleges that James Biden called him in January 2006 to arrange a job for Hunter Biden. It says James Biden told him that his brother (Sen. Biden) "was concerned with the impact that Hunter's lobbying activities might have on his expected campaign for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination," and, "Biden told Lotito that, in light of these concerns, his brother had asked him to seek Lotito's assistance in finding employment for Hunter in a non-lobbying capacity."

Lotito does not provide any direct evidence of the senator's involvement and offers no witnesses to the assertion.

The campaign of Sens. Barack Obama and Biden declined to comment on the case, referring questions to Nicholas Gravante Jr., a lawyer representing Hunter and James Biden. Gravante said assertions that Joseph Biden told his brother he was concerned about his son's lobbying are "absolutely false."
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Great Choice...12/07 "Iran poses no nuclear threat to the United States"
J. Biden

Biden's 7 Glass Houses

1. Iran no nuclear threat
2. African Americans ruining DC Schools comment in Iowa
3. Indian 7 eleven cashier insult
4. Plagiarism in 88 campaign
5. Almost thrown out of Law School
6. Claimed to be top of his class and to have a masters degree
7. Declared he would be proud to serve with or against John McCain

Attacked McCain less than a day after cordial phone call from McCain- now must sit back and be bathed in the sad truth...truth, that's a novel idea for a plagiarist!

Posted by: Scott | August 24, 2008 5:42 PM

Too bad we have to keep fighting the smears, but for the few people new to the lies, racism, and hate of some participants in these comments, here's some perspective on what some idiot wrote here.

Let's take it point by point:

He wrote:
"A prominent Democrat has filed a law suit in Federal Court alleging Obama is not qualified to run for President because he is not a US citizen as required by the Constitution. One of the documents submitted in the case is a hard copy of Obama’s school records in the African country where he was adopted. I forget what country it is."

Wow. How stupid can someone be. Barack Obama is not adopted. He was born in Hawaii (and before you ask, he was born there years after it became a state). His mom was a white college student whose parents were from Kansas. His dad was a foreign exchange student from Kenya. His parents separated when he was about two and later divorced. He is as American as any US president including the current incumbent, George W. Bush.

Then the idiot goes on to say:

"The records show his name is Soto, the same as his adoptive father. The records also show his religion is Muslim. Remember Obama claimed he never was a Muslim."

As we all surely know by now, Barack Obama is not a Muslim and never has been a Muslim. He is a Christian and talks often about his faith. As to this little fantasy, just to review, Barack Obama was born in the United States and brought up by his own mother. He is a US citizen and was never adopted. Barack Obama's mother remarried a few years after the divorce, thus giving Barack a stepfather. She was married two times, first to Barack's father, and then Lolo Soetero, the man from Indonesia referred to here. It was an all too American story of that period, familiar to many people of Barack Obama's age (he is 46), of divorced parents and a second marriage. Given that we have had divorced and remarried presidents (prime example: Ronald Reagan) I'm not sure why that would be an issue.

When his mother joined her husband in Indonesia, Barack came along for four years. He was a little boy, still in elementary school. He went to the local school and the paperwork recorded his stepfather's religion (not Barack's religion) as Muslim, like almost everyone in Indonesia. It was a normal, secular elementary school that taught the elementary school basics. Barack's mother didn't think it was challenging enough and got him up every morning at 4 am to study additional topics--literature, math, etc. That tells you more about his hard work and good upbringing than a bunch of crazy rumors. You can see all about the school here in a filmed on-site report by CNN. I know that isn't as fun as racist ugly smears on the Internet, but it has the advantage of being accurate and truthful. It even includes an interview with a man who was in the same Boy Scout troop with him there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ4v7iLnvrQ

Wrapping up, the imbecile then says:

(There's a lot of rambling, so I've shortened this with '...' marks, but you can see it all in his own comment--this is gist of it).

"Remember that when asked if there is evil in the world at Saddleback, he said the US has been a purveyor of evil. This could have come right out of a BinLadin cave. ...If one were to describe Obama’s effective campaign slogan rather than his stated one it would be, hate America."

The phrase "Remember that" is a standard way to introduce a lie in most "urban legend" or "smear" e-mails. It makes the reader think he or she is supposed to "remember" something that actually did not happen.

At Saddleback, Senators Obama and McCain were both asked, separately, whether evil exists in the world and what we should do about it. Each one replied that evil does exist and should be confronted. Senator McCain was only able to think of the example of terrorism. Senator Obama pointed out that evil can be found everywhere, whether from our enemies overseas, on our streets, or even in a home where a parent abuses a child. He said it was our job to confront evil wherever it occurs and to fight it, while staying humble and not arrogant as we do. That's what was actually said at Saddleback.

And finally, the imbecile claims that somehow a man who first became world famous for one of the most patriotic speeches of my lifetime, at the 2004 Democratic Convention, which proudly stated that there is no red America, there is no blue America, there is one United States of America that we all love, supposedly "hates America." Well, calling names at an intensely patriotic man, who has given his entire life to public service, and who has delivered many speeches about our shared love of American values and freedom, may be your idea of how to honor our American ideals, but it is not mine.

Shame on you for ignoring the real choices in this election, for signing on to four more years of completely failed Bush economic, military, and governmental policies, in order to pass along lies, rumors, and mud about a fine candidate. Presumably you favor John McCain but you certainly do not represent the John McCain I have always respected. Go back in your hole and stew in the mud.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | August 24, 2008 5:11 PM

You lead an article on Republicans' knocking Biden's pick as VP with RUDI? This is the politician who ran absolutely the DUMBEST primary campaign for President ever? The moderate, centrist, progressive who ignored more than half of the Republican Party to prove he could do well amongst the Hard Corps Right Wing of the Republican Right wing?

The Rudi Biden aptly dismissed with the "A noun, a verb, and 911" gibe?

EVEN THE REPUBLICANS don't care what he thinks, note his sucess in the primaries.

Posted by: ceflynline
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Also, Rudi was also involved with his present wife while still married to his other wife....same as John McCain (and Edwards). Looks like Rudy and John McCain have a lot in comming: Grandstanding, taking credit where credit is not due, and "whoooing around on their wives". NO Values, NO class!!

Posted by: NinaK | August 24, 2008 4:53 PM

A prominent Democrat has filed a law suit in Federal Court alleging Obama is not qualified to run for President because he is not a US citizen as required by the Constitution. One of the documents submitted in the case is a hard copy of Obama’s school records in the African country where he was adopted. I forget what country it is. The records show his name is Soto, the same as his adoptive father. The records also show his religion is Muslim. Remember Obama claimed he never was a Muslim.

Now being a Muslim is not necessarily bad, even thought about half the US population will consider the fact in the voting booth. The trouble for Obama comes by way of the conjunction of his Muslim roots and his anti-US statements. Remember that when asked if there is evil in the world at Saddleback, he said the US has been a purveyor of evil. This could have come right out of a BinLadin cave. There have been many occasions when Obama has put the US, the best country in the world, down. In fact, if one were to describe Obama’s effective campaign slogan rather than his stated one it would be, hate America.

Posted by: rodhug
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Ahh, Rodhug, surely you KNOW better than th write in such garbage! Wouldn't you agree that trying to slander someone is not going to get you into God's Kingdom?? Please educate and inform yourself on FACTS and throw away your B*llsh*t. YOUR BS ONLY testifies to YOUR ignorance and stupidity. You are NOT required to like Senator Obama; however your not liking him does not give you the license to slander him and spread false things about him. Deal with the FACTS !!

Posted by: NinaK | August 24, 2008 4:44 PM

The only thing negative I have to say about Biden is he smiles when he does not mean it. I think it is a power thing.

Posted by: rodhug
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Please look at Mr. biden's eyes when he flashes that smile, his eye genuinely light up with his smile. The same applies to Senator Obama.

Now, watch McCain's eyes when HE smiles....there is no glint to this eyes, they are dull and his smile is not really a smile, it is a "flat lip stretch". I am serious, please watch when they are on TV and you'll see what I am talking about! I call McCain's smile phoney, it almost looks like it hurts him to try and smile!

Biden's and Obama's smiles are genuine and full of life, and their entire face and eyes truely exhibit their inner self- confidence and joy! You see this in MiChelle Obama as well. Compare with Cindy McCain....her smile is tight and there is NO glint in her eyes. Laura Bush is another person who smiles with both her lips and her eyes! Just for fun, look for "shining eyes and smile" combination among your own family and friends. Some have it, some don't. Then ask yourself, which of those friends and family members are you the most comfortable with. You'll be amazed at how you feel once you become aware of this phenomenon.

Posted by: NinaK | August 24, 2008 4:29 PM

please not 4 years of listening to these to drone on and on and on.

Posted by: semtex111 | August 24, 2008 4:17 PM

A prominent Democrat has filed a law suit in Federal Court alleging Obama is not qualified to run for President because he is not a US citizen as required by the Constitution. One of the documents submitted in the case is a hard copy of Obama’s school records in the African country where he was adopted. I forget what country it is. The records show his name is Soto, the same as his adoptive father. The records also show his religion is Muslim. Remember Obama claimed he never was a Muslim.

Now being a Muslim is not necessarily bad, even thought about half the US population will consider the fact in the voting booth. The trouble for Obama comes by way of the conjunction of his Muslim roots and his anti-US statements. Remember that when asked if there is evil in the world at Saddleback, he said the US has been a purveyor of evil. This could have come right out of a BinLadin cave. There have been many occasions when Obama has put the US, the best country in the world, down. In fact, if one were to describe Obama’s effective campaign slogan rather than his stated one it would be, hate America.

Posted by: rodhug | August 24, 2008 4:10 PM

Obama should have picked Hillary. She got 18 million votes. Biden got 9,000 votes.

Posted by: rodhug | August 24, 2008 3:55 PM

Pollster John Zogby was talking on the radio today. McCain is up 5 points. He said Obama cannot win running as a liberal. On the other hand his party zealots don’t like him compromising on Marxist principles (Zogby used a different word). Zogby said Obama’s strategy is to sound nuanced, which covers the real person. Obama thinks his problem is he depends too much on the teleprompter, and so he spent the last week in Hawaii trying to wean from it. But spontaneity comes from having core values and life experiences.

Posted by: rodhug | August 24, 2008 3:53 PM

You lead an article on Republicans' knocking Biden's pick as VP with RUDI? This is the politician who ran absolutely the DUMBEST primary campaign for President ever? The moderate, centrist, progressive who ignored more than half of the Republican Party to prove he could do well amongst the Hard Corps Right Wing of the Republican Right wing?

The Rudi Biden aptly dismissed with the "A noun, a verb, and 911" gibe?

EVEN THE REPUBLICANS don't care what he thinks, note his sucess in the primaries

Posted by: ceflynline
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Isn't it interesting?? Rudy tried to run his campaign based on his "miraculous deeds" during 9/11---remember Rudy saying he worked just as hard and as long as the firefighters during 9/11 and afterwards!!! AND McCain is running HIS campaign on his POW status but not telling us anything about his actual service in VietNam!!! What, 2-3 months of service in VN and the rest as a POW where he actually was a Songbird for the VietCong? Very fine men, these two, indeed!! Neither of them is fit for the office of the presidency!! They are 99 percent bluster and 1 percent action when it REALLY counts, BUT THEY WANT 110 PERCENT CREDIT!! UMMM, very interesting characters, these two, wouldn't you agree?

Posted by: NinaK | August 24, 2008 3:51 PM

The only thing negative I have to say about Biden is he smiles when he does not mean it. I think it is a power thing.

Posted by: rodhug | August 24, 2008 3:43 PM

Why do the WHITE REPUBLICANS CRITICIZE EVERYTHING, AND I MEAN EVERYTHING ABOUT SENATOR OBAMA? I have thought for awhile now that NONE of them can stand to see a candidate with a little darker shade of skin than them succeed! As the McCain ADs multiply, there is definitely a message from him and his cronies that Senator Obama is an "UPPITY NEGRO", that is is stepping out of "HIS PLACE", that he is "INCAPABLE OF MAKING DECISIONS, because, you know, Blacks are NOT supposed to be intelligent. In each and everyone of his ADs, McCain's message is clear: Anyone whose skin is NOT what we perceive as "WHITE" has NO business running for president!! McCain has always been a racist and bigot, he didn't thing Dr. Martin Luther King II was worthy of havig a Holiday named after him and voted AGAINST such a holiday!! It has taken decades before 2008 for McCain to say to Afican Americans that he had made "a mistake", and ONLY THEN, TO GET THE BLACK VOTES. Had Senator Obama not been in this race for the presidency, McCain woud not have said one word in this regard!! Like everything else McCain does, he is pandering to the African American Community. Sure, McCain and Cindy are wealthy/rich, but John McCain's mentality is of those who have been known as "White Trash"!

Senator Obama is a self-made man and has succeeded on HIS OWN MERITS!

John McCain was admitted into the Naval Academy ONLY because his grandfather and father were Admirals in the U.S. Navy. McCain pretty much FLUNKED at the academy, graduating 994 our of 999. I believe we can state McCain graduated with Ds and D minuses, which would NOT HAVE QUALIFIED HIM FOR A PILOT'S LICENSE! Again, Grandpa and Daddy used their high-ranking influence to "carry" John McCain. He crashed FIVE fighter planes in VietNam and got one shot down and was taken POW. And people call him a hero?? It looks more like John McCain was an inept fighter pilot!! You can bet Grandpa and papa again used their influence to make sure "little Johnny" remained in the U.S. Navy. Any other pilot whith McCain's plane crash record would have been history! Not "little spoiled Johnny Boy". Military Academies that the best of the best and they choose the best of best to pilot their fighter jets. McCain was NOT such a person. Amazing what can be given to you when you have the right powerful and influential people in your family!! As I have read, McCain's father-in-law, also a powerful and influential person, used his power and influence to get John McCain into Congress, using his POW status, of course. McCain has been handed EVERYTHING and really hasn't earned anything on HIS OWN MERITS. McCains theme should be: I served in VietNam about 2 months, got shot down, and was a POW; therefore AMERICANS OWE IT TO ME TO "GIVE ME THE PRESIDENCY TOO!! WHY NOT, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME!!!"

Posted by: NinaK | August 24, 2008 3:35 PM

The two first comments from 'assbee' as so grose that I felt the need to say something.
People drive 1/2 to 1 hour to work. You don't live were you work. It should be that way it would bee best to walk to work or be able to take Public Trans not only to save money but to live a better life.
In 55 years of working I always been able to live with in walking to my work. It looks like Biden had the best of both worlds. More power to ones like him. He did not have to, like McHouse, buy a house in DC to be albe to fly to one of his houses in AZ.
ObAMA = OsAMA = ELITIST & a terrorist = God Damn America supporter / Terrorist supporter / criminal supporter (REZKO)
Biden = BInlaDEN = EGOTIST
I even feel ashame to reprint this crap.
Sick , sick, sick. The only one I feel I can make a statement about is the last 'EGOIST' All who run for any public office must be a egoist. From FDR to RR all were egoist and were better for it. The only one I know in that time who was not a egoist/eleitist was Harry S Truman the only one I know who was from the REAL PEOPLE. Googgle it.
assbee Please stop saying your a Democrat you might be Registered so are cons.with there PA.

Posted by: theemailman | August 24, 2008 3:21 PM

You lead an article on Republicans' knocking Biden's pick as VP with RUDI? This is the politician who ran absolutely the DUMBEST primary campaign for President ever? The moderate, centrist, progressive who ignored more than half of the Republican Party to prove he could do well amongst the Hard Corps Right Wing of the Republican Right wing?

The Rudi Biden aptly dismissed with the "A noun, a verb, and 911" gibe?

EVEN THE REPUBLICANS don't care what he thinks, note his sucess in the primaries.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | August 24, 2008 3:10 PM

All McCain's surrogates have negative things to say about Biden. Obama must have made the right choice. If he'd picked Clinton, they would all be saying something negative as well.

Posted by: bob | August 24, 2008 3:03 PM


When it was revealed Obama argued and voted for infanticide he ceased on McCain’s statement he did not recall how many houses his wife owns. It turned out his wife owns several funds that have invested in real-estate. Was this what McCain was thinking about? Or is he so non-materialistic that ownership of property is far from his mind?


In any case, the issue once again highlighted the fact that Obama got a kick-back from a crook to purchase his house. It was also revealed that McCain’s relatives live in some of his wife’s houses, and that conservatives are trying to find Obama’s brothers address so they can send him some cash for rent.

Posted by: rodhug | August 24, 2008 2:45 PM

What can I say, I can just laugh out lauder on this pair :) Remember Biden's lies about his academics? Not to mention his declaration "Obama is not ready for the job!"

Democrats are doomed this year.. Now its clear and assured of going down this fall.

What can you expect from a rookie unfit candidate?

Posted by: Mitchel | August 24, 2008 2:29 PM

McCain is not of out touch when he said he doesn't remember the number of houses he owns. It was simply the Alzheimer's kicking in. Can't wait to see what he forgets should he become president.

Posted by: Jason | August 24, 2008 2:24 PM

"Seven House" McCain grew up on Capitol Hill, a son of great privilege who went to the Naval Academy because he never had a choice.

He was no hero and in fact was probably responsible for the conflagration that killed so many and almost sank the Forrestal.

His admitted incompetence got him shot down and he fully collaborated with his captors in order to receive medical treatment.

He came home and betrayed the wife who waited for him committing serial adultery and winding up with the Mafia Princess to whom he is now coupled.

Obama is the lesser evil. His lack of true character is transparently obvious in his choice of Biden. G-d permitted Biden to be cursed with the deaths of his wife and child...and what "American" is still affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church...which America's Founder recognized as "an engine for enslaving mankind,""the real Anti-Christ."

Bush did 9-11. His father killed Kennedy and King. His grandfather was Hitler's banker. They remain at-large because the Bushes have fronted for the Vatican-banker Rockefellers for five generations.

G-d is not mocked.
Death for treason...but not, no doubt, on President Obama's watch.

http://www.theamericanfundament.blogspot.com

Posted by: Will Jones - Atlanta | August 24, 2008 2:23 PM

Obama hopes that Joe Biden will attract rural folks who cling to guns, religion, and antipathy to others not the same color, but I doubt it. Most of these folks will understand that Obama will be president (if elected – emphasize if) and Joe will be Vice President. Traditionally the VP has little to do except break tie votes in the Senate. He is not a cabinet member. He does not sit on the Security Council. Obama himself said that he would get advice from his wife, not the VP.

Posted by: rodhug | August 24, 2008 2:22 PM

Plagiarise tonight and sleep, safe and restful sleep, sleep, sleep. Why waste your time looking for an honest and respectable candidate. Skip the useless search and choose a known theif of other people's money, words, and ideas.

cmsix

Posted by: cmsix | August 24, 2008 2:18 PM

Biden has never lived a day in DC. Wow !! This guy who lives lass then an hour by AmTrak from the Capitol and has spent 35+ years on the HILL in DC has the cajones to say he has not lived a day in DC LOL Talk about symantics.

Change you can count on.

Vote for McCain - a war hero you can count on.

PUMA
Registered Democrat for McCain

Posted by: AsBee | August 24, 2008 2:04 PM

ObAMA = OsAMA = ELITIST & a terrorist = God Damn America supporter / Terrorist supporter / criminal supporter (REZKO)
Biden = BInlaDEN = EGOTIST

Vote for McCain in November

Registered Democrat for McCain :)

Posted by: AsBee | August 24, 2008 2:00 PM

I think Hillary needs to unite the party. If she doesn't, it will be a tough time for the Democrats this fall. She has to convince her supporters to stop bopping the wrong guy at the real-time poll at http://www.bop-o-rama.com. I think they are supposed to get mad at the Republicans.

Posted by: acarponzo | August 24, 2008 1:47 PM

This is a democratic year. Obama will use the convention to unite the party, stake out a 12 point lead, and then run to the center for the independents, who would not have backed him with Clinton like they will back him and Biden.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/can-biden-out-hillary-hillary.html

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 24, 2008 1:37 PM

He may be a tool, but he's right. Obama's ego just cost the Dems the election.

Posted by: Jeffrey | August 24, 2008 1:11 PM
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and of-course let us conveniently overlook wife-cheating Sen Mc10houses who does not have an ego.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 1:19 PM

He may be a tool, but he's right. Obama's ego just cost the Dems the election.

Posted by: Jeffrey | August 24, 2008 1:11 PM

For some reason people have forgotten who Giuliana was before 9/11. He was leaving offing in disgrace.

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Giuliani is a tool. He'll say anything, as is evidenced by the fact that he LIED and said that the air in NYC was safe to breath right after 9-11. I was there. No one believed him then, and no one should believe him now. He doesn't care about health care, education, the environment, peace, long-term prosperity, family values or anything other than his own darn self.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 24, 2008 1:06 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 1:09 PM

Giuliani is a tool. He'll say anything, as is evidenced by the fact that he LIED and said that the air in NYC was safe to breath right after 9-11. I was there. No one believed him then, and no one should believe him now. He doesn't care about health care, education, the environment, peace, long-term prosperity, family values or anything other than his own darn self.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 24, 2008 1:06 PM

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