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At VFW Event, Obama Hits Back at McCain


Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) speaks at the Veterans of Foreign Wars annual conference in Orlando, Fla., Aug. 19, 2008. (AP/Alex Brandon)

Updated 10:49 a.m.
By Shailagh Murray
ORLANDO -- Sen. Barack Obama hit back against his rival's charges that he has based his national security views on political calculation, telling a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention, "The times are too serious for this kind of politics."

Sen. John McCain told the same group Monday, "Behind all of these claims and positions by Senator Obama lies the ambition to be president."

Obama responded of McCain, "He is a man who has served this nation honorably, and he correctly stated that one of the chief criteria for the American people in this election is going to be who can exercise the best judgment as commander in chief. But instead of just offering policy answers, he turned to a typical laundry list of political attacks. He said that I have changed my position on Iraq when I have not."

"He said that I am for a path of 'retreat and failure,'" Obama continued. "And he declared that "behind all of these claims and positions by Senator Obama lies the ambition to be president" -- suggesting, as he has many times before, that I put personal ambition before my country."

"If we think that we can secure our country by just talking tough without acting tough and smart, then we will misunderstand this moment and miss its opportunities," Obama asserted. "If we think that we can use the same partisan playbook where we just challenge our opponent's patriotism to win an election, then the American people will lose. The times are too serious for this kind of politics. The calamity left behind by the last eight years is too great."

Obama is on the verge of announcing a running mate, and in the midst of lengthy remarks about veterans assistance and various global crises, he gave a shout out to Sen. Joe Biden, believed to be a top contender. Biden just returned from a trip to Tbilisi to assess the Georgia-Russia crisis. "We must help Georgia rebuild what has been destroyed," Obama told the 3,000 veterans to attended the event. "That is why I'm proud to join my friend, Senator Joe Biden, in calling for an additional $1 billion in reconstruction assistance for the people of Georgia."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds disputed a remark in Obama's speech about McCain's commitment to hunting al-Qaeda in Pakistan. "Unlike Barack Obama, John McCain doesn't have to compensate for a lack of credibility on the international stage with inflammatory and public threats against American allies," Bounds said in a statement. "The American people know that John McCain will hunt down terrorists wherever they are, and have a choice between strength and experience versus Barack Obama's rhetoric and theatrics."

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The new Zogby/Rueters poll this morning gives McCain a lead for the first time. This shall be the beginning of the end for the dark horse Democrat and the supporters shall have to return to seeking work as there will be no re-distribution of income or free lunches as B. Husein Obama has promised them with his forked tongue.

Posted by: Nostradamas | August 20, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

While listening to the GOP debates between Senator McCain and Senator Obama, I didn't feel comfortable with some of the quick answers from Senator McCain. It appeared Senator McCain mighth might have been rehearsed. As the World knows Politics can become a dirty game. The GOP debate should be disregarded. McCain has never been as accurate and fast speaking as long as I have been listening to him. As a matter of fact if he can think that fast why didn't he think before signing for a WAR?

Why can't this Campaign be fair? Could it be because one is Black and one is White? Don't God Love All His Children? By the way it's hard to tell the difference between John McCain and President Bush! Haven't you noticed they favor a lot?

Posted by: Ann Wright | August 19, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

All McCain supporters who switched from Democrat to Republican are probably racists. Obama haters use the term inexperience as a coverup for racism. The word inexperience is commonly used in work environment for black people when they are not considered for jobs. I see the same thing done to Obama. The only experience McCain has is old age, white skin, old soldier, former prisoner, and war monger. He focuses so much on terrorism which put fear in his supporters head. He knows nothing about the economy and his advisor states that this economy is just a mind thing. He is only concerned about the rich people. This country need someone like Obama who foucuses on improving this country economy and protecting this country from terrorists. He has experiences in helping people which is needed to be President. He has proved himself as a leader by the way he raises funds and organizes people for causes that help others. Plus he is smart, intelligent, concerned for the poor and middle class. God bless you Obama.

Posted by: lclon | August 19, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

OOPS! Didn't notice that theaz did exactly what Nostradamus did!!

Looks like we have a co-champion!!

Posted by: wapo1 | August 19, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

No law banning divorce, b/c then McSame couldn't cheat on his wife, then ditch her for a young blond chick set to inherit billions.

;)

Posted by: wapo1 | August 19, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

HouseNEGRO...tell them again....the bible says "render unto Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar (which happens to be the laws of the land) and render unto God what belongs to God (which happens to be marriage which is a convenant between the man, the woman and God). Sin is sin....the only greater, unforgivable sin, is the sin to deny God and the his son Jesus Christ! Likd Jesus told the Pharasese (Republicans)...In order to stone the woman whom they accused of adultry, let whichever one of them (the accuser) who was without sin cast the first stone! They all dropped the stones, turned around and quickly and quietly walked away! The republicans and so called evangelicals are dividing the church and the actual laws of God. Most of them are hateful and racist against others religion, sex, race, etc and then have the nerve to say they love God. God said that "man can't love me whom they have never seen, yet hate the man that they see everyday...that my friend, is not love....you are a sinner and need to repeat!

Posted by: God's Word...Not the Rethugs | August 19, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Cryos....are you now, finally one of you admitting that it was actually blacks who built the pyramids, dicovered birth control, math techniques, various medicines, etc. and that the noses on all of the Egyptian artifacts or any feature that proves they were of ethic decent were redone? Wow that's a first....so are you openly admitting that it's been a long undercutting, deceptive lie that blacks are stupid and uneducated? Hmmmm....you know you can't have it both ways....choose, choose, choose.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Pro-Choice does NOT equal Pro-Abortion. God is Pro-Choice BUT Anti-Abortion. God, throught the holy scriptures, says to us "...I set before you this day, LIFE and DEATH, CHOOSE LIFE...". God gives us the choice of following his will or our own selfish desires. We can even choose to kill oursleves even thought there is currently a LAW against suicide (if you violate this law I wonder who gets prosecuted). The LAW will never be sufficient and cannot change the heart! All these so-called moral and upright people (i.e. Evangelical Christians) wanting to out-law Abortion have nothing to say about things such as Divorce!! GOD HATES DIVORCE!! Why not pass a LAW banning divorce? Is it because so many so-called christians are getting divorced. It seems the dirvorce rate is higher amongst christians than in the rest of secular society. Why not pass a secular law to ban every sin referenced in the bible? GOD HATES SIN!! Stop pretending to represent God's agenda by putting so much emphasis on ABORTION and none on FORNICATION, ADULTRY, LUST, IDOLITRY, DIVORCE, GREED, SELFISHNESS, RACISM, BIGOTRY, LYING, STEALING, LAZINESS, ETC. ETC. If a woman decides to have an aobortion, since it is the LAW of the land, she should be allowed to do so AND she alone will give account for her actions to GOD. By changing the LAW do you think women will stop deciding to have abortions. NO!! They will find other ways to do so. Thats why God wants to change the HEART! If you change the HEART of man then s/he will CHOOSE to do God's will. So how do we change the heart? By demonstrating the love of God to those that do know know it, and sharing the good news of how much God loves each of us and how he sacrificed his son Jesus for ALL sins past, present, and future!! (That includes abortion). ABORTION is a sin!! God says so!! We cannot pass laws for every sin man can commit. If we take that approach then we are no different than the Islamic states we have attempted to overthrow. Besides, our secular government has long since abdicated Judeo-Christian ethics and precepts. SIN is SIN, there is no ranking or scale or severity of SIN!! The only unforgivebale SIN is rejecting God's presence in your life (i.e. rejecting his plan of salvation for your life).

Posted by: HouseNegro | August 19, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me that is amused by these types of posts from Obama supporters/liberals.

Those greedy selfish republicans who support big business. What are they going to GIVE to ME to get MY vote?

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

By the comments posted here from the Barack Husein Obama supporters, their immaturity is evident. I can see why they support the inexperienced Senator. Obama's support of welfare programs, government housing and re-distribution will directly benefit the infantile supporters, who will likely be unemployed for the foreseeable future and will a new tit to feed from.

Posted by: Nostradamas | August 19, 2008 6:25 PM
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lol!! and your comments are like.... so grown up and intelligent, when it reaks with racism! Like Keith Olbermann told McFool....Grow Up or Shut Up!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Nostradamas.....read the bible!! Last I heard, GWB was the anti-christ? lol.....that's right, go ahead, scare the white folks....the PWT's that is....they're the ones that are scared of a black man....I think its because of karma...you know, they're going to have to pay for their hateful ways...Isn't it funny....life is like a circle.....it constantly goes around and around...never know who gets what? The white House will now be known as the PEOPLE's HOUSE. It will belong to every American, black, yellow, white, red or brown....it is no longer just for you angry white folks...

Posted by: Obama 08 | August 19, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The slackers, the sponges, the lazy, the parasites shall all unite behind the leader with whom shall provide the easy path to them and bring them at the expense of all those who had come before them and earned it. He shall be dark and speak with a forked tongue a s the flocks aspire to his vision of the unicorn bringing them gold coins in a velvet bag.

And it was written...

Posted by: Nostradamas | August 19, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Black + Phil Gramm + Wendy Lee Gramm = John McCain = anti-American enemy within

Americans will not be duped by John McCain and Republicans who demand patriotism from others for their political gains and economic greed only.

Posted by: politicalmajority | August 19, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

burt.....the only thing that Hilllary is going to win at the convention is a chance to make ammends and win a chance of getting her butt cheeks licked by her pathetic supporters!!! Smack, Smack, Smack! Start smacking!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

And a light shined down upon me from somewhere and I said "I have to vote for Hillary at the convention"...in the greatest democratic upset this side of the continental divide. With all of the bad coming out about Obama since his so-called victory against the Hillster, and the fact that his entire time in the senate he has passed only 1 (Count it...ONE!)bill into law, I can't believe that the superdelegates will vote for him. Good Luck Hillary I hope you win!

Posted by: Burt | August 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93708729

Check out the story!! McFool and Cindy has the same amount of morals and values as the dog dung on the bottom of shoe! Cindy, her mother and father treated her half sister like a low down dirty dog! Cindy says she an only child..She is a liar! She has a half sister whom she doesn't even acknowledge. Why? Because Cindy's mother wrecked this man's previous marriage and hated the ex-wife and child! Same way the bafoon, Cindy wrecked John McFool's marriage with his poor cripple wife. Wow what a bunch of moral individuals. We should acknowledge these folks as saints and crown McCain as the New Mesiah...he and Cindy certainly value the sanctity of marriage! LMAO

Posted by: Lying arse, Cindy McCain! | August 19, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that the media is still sleeping with McCain and the Straight Talk B.S. Express...Why? Because if they were doing their homework, such as the "NPR" that would be reporting that Cindy McCain and her mother have quite a harlot track record..they are well known home wreckers..no wonder McFool calls her a c$unt! Well Cindy McCain has a half sister. Her father was married and had a daughter from his previous marriage, while at a military hospital he fell in love with Cindy's mother, who took him from the wife and the daughter (sounds familiar?). The father was sending Cindy's sister a few dollars every now and then and a credit card with a $10,000 limit. That a f$nking shame! That man was a billionaire and all he gave his daughter was $10,000. He later became filthy rich and at that point helped his daughters children go to a regular (non-ivy league) college. When he died, he left everything to Cindy and didn't leave the other daughter Zilch!! Cindy later discontinued the 10,000 and didn't give her half sister one red cent!!! Well I'll be darn!! What a skeezer!! She is going to die and go straight to hell on the Straight talk express!! ROFLMAO!!! She is a dirty dog and has absolutely NO morals!!! This husband of hers is just as disgusting!!!

Check out the link for yourselves...They have a picture of her sister with their dad, birth certificate, etc...Cindy is a lying arse when she says she's an only child! She is the only sl$t child, but she ain't the only child!!!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93708729

Wow!!! What a dirty, low life!!

Posted by: Lying arse, Cindy McCain! | August 19, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama, not only are you not fit to be President, but you haven't given one good reason why you want to be President and we should grant you that huge responsibility!

Posted by: theaz | August 19, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

If this country doesn't get hit from one side, it will be hit from another. It isn't a matter of political party. And, of course, the terrorists are going to support anyone who might provide the avenue for their entry. Examples: Republicans are strong on authoritarianism. They want to dictate that everyone believe in their God. Anyone who does not is subjected to severe persecutions. Anyone that acts in self-defense is then accused of being the instigator, or attacker, while the Christians claim "persecution" against themselves. This is not mere rhetoric..I have personally experienced it, and know of people from other faiths that have experienced it. Democrats, on the other hand, are strong on "freedom", going to the extreme of allowing freedoms such as illegal drugs and pornography, and defending criminals. Women being subjected to rape, domestic violence, discrimination in the workplace and elsewhere, poverty, and all of the other social ills are located in the middle of this. Get the religion out of politics, and stop supporting irresponsible freedoms such as illegal drug use, and this country will naturally straighten up.

Posted by: MaryS | August 19, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"I don't care what any of you say about my man Barack, I support him and he will make our people proud"

Posted by: Kwame Kirkpatrick (Indicted Mayor of Detroit) | August 19, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"For all of you spreading lies about Obama's supporting the death of born alive babies, I think you need to get your facts straight.
First of all there are three Acts
1. The Born ALive Act, which Obama supports
2. Defending the Born Alive Act, which Obama supports.
3. The Liability Act, which Obama Opposed.
The language in the Liability act was not clear and does not define its terms. Therefore he opposed it.

If you would like to gain some insight into what all three mean and then you can comment with the truth and not lies you can read about here.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=3467


Posted by: rcamp | August 19, 2008 4:29 PM"

Sorry no amount of spin is getting Obama out of this one. The MSM might be trying to cover it up but OBAMA CHAIRED THE COMMITTEE THAT ADDED THE CLAUSE TO THE 2003 BORN ALIVE ACT THAT GUARANTEED UNCHANGING EXISTING ABORTION LAWS AND OBAMA STILL VOTED AGAINST IT.

Obama supporters and the MSM just continue to damage their credibility as it appears they will lie at any level to support him. This is a cut and dry issue.

Either Obama is for letting the born babies die or he wasn't paying any attention in the committee or while voting. Obama can claim ignorance when voting if he wants to but I don't think that will help him either.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

No President, especially of the United States of America, should be using their position to promote or further their religion. Their function as President is to preserve the freedom of the citizens. And whether or not they believe in abortion, it is not up to them to force a situation upon the woman. They are not that woman, and they have not lived that woman's life, and the individual's life is a very complex internal personal matter.
As for protecting this country against the Russians, how does McCain expect to do that when he promotes and establishes an "authoritarian" government worse than the one we already have? I have lost any respect I may have had for McCain. He looks and speaks like a young, naive boy. Was he really in the service? He isn't the type of person that I wanted to follow when I was in the service!

Posted by: MaryS | August 19, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

""And exactly how did I lose? I have factual basis for my assertions in this thread. I don't change my posting name regardless I have more backbone that that."

You didn't lose. I meant to be on the lookout for bait when your adversary loses the argument with you, then changes his/her name. Cheers.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 4:26 PM"

Ah sorry man I misunderstood. Lol too true I do see that a lot on these forums. You're right I do have a couple subjects already where reality and facts got in the way of people's opinions and ideals so they stopped posting.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

For all of you spreading lies about Obama's supporting the death of born alive babies, I think you need to get your facts straight.
First of all there are three Acts
1. The Born ALive Act, which Obama supports
2. Defending the Born Alive Act, which Obama supports.
3. The Liability Act, which Obama Opposed.
The language in the Liability act was not clear and does not define its terms. Therefore he opposed it.

If you would like to gain some insight into what all three mean and then you can comment with the truth and not lies you can read about here.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=3467

Posted by: rcamp | August 19, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse


"And exactly how did I lose? I have factual basis for my assertions in this thread. I don't change my posting name regardless I have more backbone that that."

You didn't lose. I meant to be on the lookout for bait when your adversary loses the argument with you, then changes his/her name. Cheers.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed at ow Repubs want to say Obama is unAmerican and not atriotic when Mccain was born in a foreign country (Panama). Obama has served his country in a diferent way. I have done grassroots organization myself and it takes dedication.
If looking after those less fortunate than you is not considered patriotic, I do not know what is. You do not need to serve in the military to be patriotic. If so, most of us would not qualify as patriotic.

All you have to do is serve in some capacity. Think of others before yourself.

Posted by: Denise | August 19, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The anger, as expressed by Obama through the hurtful and demeaning rhetoric is frightening. We understand the past hatred of losing to President Bush twice, but I fear the future if McCain wins. A republican victory looks attainable now, and this hatred is not helpful and healing.

And it was written...

Posted by: Nostradamas | August 19, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Given the voting records of both men Obama averages 80% on veterans issues that require federal funding while McCain averages less than 30% on the same pieces of legislation, when it comes to wallet issues for veterans and their families there should not even be an argument which man would be a better president for this nations 26 million veterans and their families Senator Barack Obama.

Posted by: Mike | August 19, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

We should all be thankful that the race isn't Romney vs Hillary. Both of these candidates offer something a little different than what we're used to. Sadly, both men are turning into the things that they supposedly despise.

Posted by: Mordecai | August 19, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

""Not sure what you mean"

Losers change their name and start over.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 3:55 PM"

And exactly how did I lose? I have factual basis for my assertions in this thread. I don't change my posting name regardless I have more backbone that that.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse


"Not sure what you mean"

Losers change their name and start over.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

""Hanoi McSame" and this commie GOP talk the talk but cannot walk the walk on US national security.

Posted by: walker1 | August 19, 2008 3:30 PM"

The fact you attribute GOP and communism is pretty funny. The GOP isn't the one trying to force socialism down people's throats. I think you need to change GOP to Democratic party on this one.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"Cryos,
You might want to do a "heads up" re poster name-changing.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 3:40 PM"


Not sure what you mean.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The Obama supporters are more goofy today than usual. I think the Saturday night forum has them rattled.

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 19, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Folks had better stop mis-stating Barak Obama's stance of abortion. Don't know how many Cindy had due to cheating with many married men. Those baby daddies may start speaking up. Don't know how many abortions McCain's daughters had either....might want to shut up about this..."

Nice response. So you translate Obama's shortcomings into rips on McCains family; real classy.

Obama's voting record is very clear on abortion so no one is misstating. Even when the clause was specifically added to protect abortion laws Obama voted to kill the babies if the abortion fails and the baby is born alive. Cut and dry but try to spin it all you want.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Really folks, hasn't eight years of the Bush Doctrine been enough? John McCain IS George Bush...born into a life of privledge...intellectually shallow...a poor student ..alcohol and womanizing in their early adulthood....and now, an inclination to challenge their opponents patriotism instead of addressing real issues that mean something tangible to the average American worker and taxpayer.

Posted by: A.Lincoln | August 19, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse


Cryos,
You might want to do a "heads up" re poster name-changing.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

McFool is a fake. He needs to be exposed. Folks had better stop mis-stating Barak Obama's stance of abortion. Don't know how many Cindy had due to cheating with many married men. Those baby daddies may start speaking up. Don't know how many abortions McCain's daughters had either....might want to shut up about this...

Posted by: hmmmm | August 19, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

At the end of the day, I've had it with the Republicans. They have not, in the last eight years, proven their ability to govern and should not be given a second chance.

"You have been sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go."

Oliver Cromwell, April 1653.

Posted by: Gonzo | August 19, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Hanoi McSame" and this commie GOP talk the talk but cannot walk the walk on US national security.

Posted by: walker1 | August 19, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse


Calliope: "Cmmenters like BillW lose any credibility when they lump Muslims in with "radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans, crooks...and crackpots." This is religious prejudice, as ugly as anti-Semitism or any other ignorant rhetoric based on creed."

Certainly there are good people of the muslim faith. The context was that there is a difference re who to suspect. I have no problem getting on a plane with five black people, but do have a problem doing the same with five muslims. Also I have not seen blacks beheading someone and then proudly holding the head up. Nor do they blow each other up as in Iraq.


Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"The presumptive Democratic nominee responded sharply in an interview Saturday night with the Christian Broadcast Network, saying anti-abortion groups were "lying" about his record.
Are you just not able to read or comprehend? The artical disputes the lie you want to spread"

Maybe you should read the whole article. The last paragraph below shows how much Obama is trying to dodge this one. Even when the clause was specifically inserted to prevent an impact on abortion laws Obama still voted against it (I think he was the only one; can't remember)


"Indeed, Mr. Obama appeared to misstate his position in the CBN interview on Saturday when he said the federal version he supported "was not the bill that was presented at the state level."

His campaign yesterday acknowledged that he had voted against an identical bill in the state Senate, and a spokesman, Hari Sevugan, said the senator and other lawmakers had concerns that even as worded, the legislation could have undermined existing Illinois abortion law. Those concerns did not exist for the federal bill, because there is no federal abortion law.

In 2005, the campaign noted, a "Born Alive" bill passed the Illinois Legislature after another clause had been added that explicitly stated that the legislation would have no effect on existing state abortion laws."

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Are you just not able to read or comprehend? The artical you site disputes the lie you want to spread.
read below:

The presumptive Democratic nominee responded sharply in an interview Saturday night with the Christian Broadcast Network, saying anti-abortion groups were "lying" about his record.

"They have not been telling the truth," Mr. Obama said. "And I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying."

He added that it was "ridiculous" to suggest he had ever supported withholding lifesaving treatment for an infant. "It defies common sense and it defies imagination, and for people to keep on pushing this is offensive," he said in the CBN interview.

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"Since you seem to know something no one else knows what is his position?"

Actually a lot of people know it; blinding yourself from reality doesn't make it go away.

http://www.nysun.com/national/obama-facing-attacks-from-all-sides-over-abortion/84059/

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 3:04 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The presumptive Democratic nominee responded sharply in an interview Saturday night with the Christian Broadcast Network, saying anti-abortion groups were "lying" about his record.
Are you just not able to read or comprehend? The artical disputes the lie you want to spread.
read below:
"They have not been telling the truth," Mr. Obama said. "And I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying."

He added that it was "ridiculous" to suggest he had ever supported withholding lifesaving treatment for an infant. "It defies common sense and it defies imagination, and for people to keep on pushing this is offensive," he said in the CBN interview.

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"Since you seem to know something no one else knows what is his position?"

Actually a lot of people know it; blinding yourself from reality doesn't make it go away.

http://www.nysun.com/national/obama-facing-attacks-from-all-sides-over-abortion/84059/

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 3:04 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Commenters like BillW lose any credibility when they lump Muslims in with "radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans, crooks...and crackpots." This is religious prejudice, as ugly as anti-Semitism or any other ignorant rhetoric based on creed.

Posted by: Calliope | August 19, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"Since you seem to know something no one else knows what is his position?"

Actually a lot of people know it; blinding yourself from reality doesn't make it go away.

http://www.nysun.com/national/obama-facing-attacks-from-all-sides-over-abortion/84059/

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Since you seem to know something no one else knows what is his position? Go on tell your lie. I have a feeling you don't even know enough on the subject to make up a good lie.

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Obama's new campaign slogan. "Save the environment; spare a seal and club a baby."

FYI I'm pro-choice but find Obama's position on live birth abortions appalling.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 2:55 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama endorsements:

Tom Hanks, Actor
Oprah Winfrey, television host, actress
Edward Kennedy, Massachusetts senator
Caroline Kennedy, daughter of John F. Kennedy
James Clyburn, congressman from South Carolina and Democratic Party's Majority Whip
Deval Patrick, governor of Massachusetts
Federico Peña, Secretary of Energy under Bill Clinton
Theodore Sorensen, advisor to John F. Kennedy
Kathleen Turner, actress
Gary Hirshberg, CEO of Stonyfield Farm Yogurt
Bill Bradley, former senator from New Jersey, and player for the New York Knicks
John Kerry four-term junior senator from Massachusetts
Janet Napolitano, Governor of Arizona
Newspaper Las Vegas Review-Journal
Patrick Leahy, Senator from Vermont, chairman of the Judiciary Committee
Toni Morrison, author
Robert DeNiro, actor
Maria Shriver, wife of California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
George Clooney, actor
David Wilhelm manager of Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign
Service Employees International Union
United Food and Commercial Workers International Union
Sheila Crump Johnson, entrepreneur
Teamsters Union
Hulk Hogan, wrestler and TV host
Chris Dodd, Ohio senator
John D. Rockefeller IV, senator from West Virginia
Russell Simmons, rap and clothing mogul
Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam (Obama rejected the endorsement)
Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico
Douglas Kmiec, Republican lawyer
Bruce Springsteen, musician
Robert Reich, former Clinton staffer

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

It would have to be a very good natured woman since Mccain has no balls thanks to the VC and needs the use of a mechanical penis pump. This was written about years ago.

))))))))))
Given that McCain, and Republicans in general, make it a habit to lie, cheat and steal, it is only a matter of time before the real bad stuff starts to come out against McCain.

Guys who lie, lie a lot. Guys who cheat, cheat a lot. And guys who steal, steal a lot. And they hang out with other liars, cheats, and thieves. And those people give each other up all of the time.

The truth about McCain will come out. Do you people think that he hasn't been cheating in Cindy? There's gotta be another Iseman. There's gotta be another Keating.

And it'll come out. Probably after the convention.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 2:36 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama's new campaign slogan. "Save the environment; spare a seal and club a baby."

FYI I'm pro-choice but find Obama's position on live birth abortions appalling.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse


Give the devil his due, Obama did himself proud when he said:

"A light will shine down... from somewhere. It will light upon you. You will experience an epiphany... You will say to yourself, 'I have to vote for Barack' "

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"Corruption Anon,

I agree on the cheating, stealing and lying part. Not sure about McCain, but your point is well taken.

Just look at Ted Kennedy

Posted by: Obama Forever | August 19, 2008 2:40 PM"

Better add $400 Edwards in there too lol.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Corruption Anon,

I agree on the cheating, stealing and lying part. Not sure about McCain, but your point is well taken.

Just look at Ted Kennedy

Posted by: Obama Forever | August 19, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Billw!!!

Everyone of these endorsements help.

P.S. You forgot Barry Bonds

Posted by: Obama Forever | August 19, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Given that McCain, and Republicans in general, make it a habit to lie, cheat and steal, it is only a matter of time before the real bad stuff starts to come out against McCain.

Guys who lie, lie a lot. Guys who cheat, cheat a lot. And guys who steal, steal a lot. And they hang out with other liars, cheats, and thieves. And those people give each other up all of the time.

The truth about McCain will come out. Do you people think that he hasn't been cheating in Cindy? There's gotta be another Iseman. There's gotta be another Keating.

And it'll come out. Probably after the convention.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse


Obama forever: "Word is on the wire right now that Hugo Chavez has endorsed Obama."

He has other supporters and/or associates as well who are radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans, crooks, muslims, and crackpots:

The Black Panthers
NAACP
Farrakhan
Hamas
Castro
Ortega
Al Qaeda
Jane Fonda
Jesse Jackson
Michael Moore
Al Sharpton
Wright
Rezko
Ayers
Pfleger
Weathers
Muslim-American Society


Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"But lying and saying that Iraq was the war or terror? If anything, by lying, they isolated us from world opinion and provided a recruiting bonanza for Islamic extremists."

Iraq being as part of the war on terror was dubious. However world opinion on the matter I assert was for a whole different reason. Politicians and business people from the UN, France, etc were making billions off of the corrupt Oil for Food program meanwhile the US was paying the bill. I think the world opinion thing is more the fact the related players were upset at the US for taking away their cash cow. If you remember the countries most opposed were the ones with the most involvement in the corruption.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

War Zero: "Billw....you've got to be kiddin..McCain doesn't have enough energy to wipe his own behind!"

Maybe you could help him with it then?

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Swift boat McCain's war record. He is lying about his experience..He was a coward who rat-out his comrades to save his own butt! He is using other TRUE war heros' memoirs as his own. He is lying! The news media should start really going through his war record. I heard that he was a major coward and a sell-out! Chump, not war hero - - war Zero!! LMAO"

I think you have McCain confused with a certain metrosexual named Kerry ;)

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

NEWSFLASH - Word is on the wire right now that Hugo Chavez has endorsed Obama. I think this will help us with the Latino vote.

Posted by: Obama Forever | August 19, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"Bill's legacy is shot, and if Hillary has any common sense, she'll put an end to that pug face fool's rhetoric as quickly as possible or she can kiss her political career good bye"

One of the things I love about this democratic primary. In their fervor to nominate Obama the MSM and democrats trashed the legacy they created. Clinton was under investigation for a lot of suspicious activities but the MSM and democrats covered it up with inundating people about the sex aspect so the other more serious allegations were forgotten. However to shoehorn in an inexperienced dubious candidate with words and no substance they had to trash the legacy. Classic.

"My point, Cryos, is that John McCain thinks rape jokes are funny, a point you have graciously skirted."

If McCain did make a joke about rape yes it is in bad taste. However I would take a bad joke over someone that supporters clubbing live babies like seals. However I bet the liberals with environmental extremism give more protection to the seals ;)

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

hey clinties. don't forget to get your ticket to the queenie buttlick sweepstakes. anyone who helps pay her bills is eligible to spend time with her in denver. this is your chance to have a picture of your tongue up hillary'sass hanging on your wall at home. i would say in your office, but you clintie smearheads are kept women who watch soap operas all day like patti chalupa. ah hahahahaha lap it up smearheards!

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 19, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Billw....you've got to be kiddin..McCain doesn't have enough energy to wipe his own behind! He'd be lucky if he can make it to the convention. The old creep! He hate women...It was reported that he twisted Cindy McCain's wrist while trying to slap her. Why don't she tell people the truth. Her story about an enthusiastic supporter hurting her wrist is such a stupid made up lie!! McCain twisted the dumb "c$unt's arm" That is what he calls her!

Posted by: War Zero! | August 19, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Lucy: "Please B-i-l-l-o, talk to me when you have some real commenting to do..."

So you didn't like the humor. Typical for Obama supporters.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Swift boat McCain's war record. He is lying about his experience..He was a coward who rat-out his comrades to save his own butt! He is using other TRUE war heros' memoirs as his own. He is lying! The news media should start really going through his war record. I heard that he was a major coward and a sell-out! Chump, not war hero - - war Zero!! LMAO

Posted by: War Zero! | August 19, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse


Who's laughing now?: " Hey BillW and Cryos, while you guys are yucking it up here's some of the tasteful jokes your Good Old Boy John McCain has told over the years."

Assuming you are correct, maybe McCain has just enough rascal in him to handle Putin
and the other tough guys, along with being willing to debate, note......


Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, the fact that Bush and McCain lied to the American people to make the case for the Iraq War *when there were reasonable grounds for the war* shows how incompetent they are.

The fact that Iraq violates its ceasefire agreement with us was enough context.

But lying and saying that Iraq was the war or terror? If anything, by lying, they isolated us from world opinion and provided a recruiting bonanza for Islamic extremists.

They could have made a compelling, legal case for war against Iraq. But they didn't. Why? I would contend it is because they are crooked to the bone and that that is their way. But I am open to other suggestions?

Why lie when you don't have to? Why say it's part of the war on terror when it wasn't?

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

war hero my arse,

Your stupidity is really entertaining. Let's see, war hero mcCain or some converted Muslim who was tied up with Chicago crooks who hasn't done one positive thing for his country, except embarrass it trying to kiss Euro-arse.

hmmmm....

Posted by: McCain's Warrior | August 19, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"I am soooo proud of Obama....what a 100% difference from the devisive, pathetic, disgusting, pig slop politics that the majority of Americans are so sick and tired of seeing!! He brings a new image to politics and represents the USA in such a delightful and positive manner thoughout the world! What a dynamic change. I can't wait to go to Denver on Sunday! I am going to have so much fun! I am glad they opened a new prison to lock those few idiots (PUMAs and rethugs) away while we have a great time in Denver! I just hope they find away to drag red faced Bubba off to one of those prisons to keep him from showing his pathetic loosing tantrums! It's a shame is legacy is not worth 5 cents anymore. What a waste of air!"
___________________________________________

Say it one more time for the road. What an astounding young intelligent man! We can't wait for him to occupy the White House! Thank you Jesus for a breath of fresh air!! The stale stank from the rethugs is starting to choke the American people!!! Get rid of most of them....

Posted by: Kyra | August 19, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Its true the situation in Iraq looks alot better, better in fact than anyone would have imagined a year ago. Obama should 'face reality' and say, hey maybe we shouldn't put forward a timetable. The major reason for getting out of Iraq sooner rather than later doesn't exist anymore.

If he doesn't this is a really good issue for McCain.

Posted by: DCDave | August 19, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain is NOT a decorated war hero...he was a chump that was way to dumb to fly a plane, so he crashed about 5 or 6 times. His dumb butt got caught by the Vietnamese, he singed like a bird against his comrades to save his own hyde and then tell the American people war stories that don't even belong to him. He lifted them off someone else's memoir. What an old jerk! Then he lies through his yellow teeth that he experienced this and that!! He was a sell-out. The vets should swiftboat his lying arse!

Posted by: War hero my arse! | August 19, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Dear Anonymous,

Do not be afraid. I encourage you to stop venting your displeasure with your candidate on me. I know it is frustrating for you, but I encourage you to direct your anger at Barack Husein Obama, not me for pointing out the facts that put him in this self-inflicted situation.

Posted by: Nostradamas | August 19, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

And it came to pass that the national anthem was played and the ONE placed his hands over the wrong place. Some wanted to stone him, but his followers rose up and said "ye who have not fondled yourself, cast the first stone". Thus he was spared and he traveled the land, speaking to the crowds while often raising his head heavenward, as tho getting cues. And yea tho he walketh in the shadow of Wright, his charisma is great, and he plodeth on to achieve stardom. So to speak.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 1:22 PM
___________________________________________

Please B-i-l-l-o, talk to me when you have some real commenting to do...not something you read over the neoncons or Rush's website. If we attempt to list the corrupt and disgusting timelines of the Clintons...aka...red face or big dog...we would run out of time, space and energy...Bill's legacy is shot, and if Hillary has any common sense, she'll put an end to that pug face fool's rhetoric as quickly as possible or she can kiss her political career good bye-...just that simple. Sorry...She's cooked...her 18 million voters should help her retire her debt? Where's the love?

Posted by: Lucy | August 19, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a Marxist? Which one? Chico, Harpo, Groucho, Gummo, or Zeppo? Yuck, yuck. Laugh it up brother. You're distorted untruthes and exaggerated slander serves you well!

Posted by: We're not laughing with you | August 19, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

My point, Cryos, is that John McCain thinks rape jokes are funny, a point you have graciously skirted. Apparently this is okay with you?

Posted by: Who's laughing now? | August 19, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Thats it, that crap is so old and moldy the republicans don't even repeat it anymore. That was just a bunch of crap from a desperate Hillary. You are irrelevant I am afraid. Come back when you have something anyone cares about.

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We all know that McCain was a decorated war hero and his patriotism is unquestionable. No one expect Obama to be considered a patriot at that level considering his lack of military service.
The public is looking for some reassurance from BHO, and this is what they are hearing, seeing and feeling:

1. Obama went to a church for 20 years where his pastor said GD America and that the government invented the AIDS virus to kill its own people.
2. Obama's wife stated she had never been proud of her country.
3. Obama met with the leader of the Weather Underground, a group that bombed United States owned buildings.
4. Obama refused to put his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance.
5. Obama refused to wear an American flag pin on his lapel.

Obama has made his own impression, do not blame McCain.

And so it was written....

Posted by: Nostradamas | August 19, 2008 1:54 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Btw whos laughing now I might not even vote for McCain as I don't like neocons. I'm just not stupid enough to vote for a marxist empty suit like Obama. The democratic party is exploiting racism and class warfare to try again to nudge a far left extremist into the presidency. However again it will probably fail like in 2004. Apparently succumbing to the far left special interests is more important to democratic politicians than getting someone moderate into office.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

We all know that McCain was a decorated war hero and his patriotism is unquestionable. No one expect Obama to be considered a patriot at that level considering his lack of military service.
The public is looking for some reassurance from BHO, and this is what they are hearing, seeing and feeling:

1. Obama went to a church for 20 years where his pastor said GD America and that the government invented the AIDS virus to kill its own people.
2. Obama's wife stated she had never been proud of her country.
3. Obama met with the leader of the Weather Underground, a group that bombed United States owned buildings.
4. Obama refused to put his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance.
5. Obama refused to wear an American flag pin on his lapel.

Obama has made his own impression, do not blame McCain.

And so it was written....

Posted by: Nostradamas | August 19, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Early one morning during the Presidential Campaign, John McCain heard a knock on his front door. He opened the door to find a high-school-age girl wearing a "Vote for McCain" t-shirt.

"I saw you on TV last night, debating with the other candidates," she said.

McCain nodded. "The other candidates say I'm too old," he said. "They say I'm losing my memory and that I won't be able to remember the names of foreign leaders if I'm elected. But I'm going to prove them wrong."

"Good," said the girl.

"Now tell me, young lady," said McCain, "what is your name?"

The girl looked confused. "It's ME, Grandpa."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Who's laughing now?

Lol I love when people can't even come up with their own posts and resort to just copying and pasting from other sites.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3804049

http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/08/to-his-supporte.html

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"They dig up every piece of dirt, every association, every snippet taken out of context, and then amplify it to absurdity. Then you guys whine "Oooo look-this person is so unpatriotic, so un-American."

Obama does not have the experience to run for president (he said himself he wouldn't run until 2012 since he wouldn't have the experience). He pretty much tacked on to Hillary's platforms so wasn't really unique policy wise either.

Obama made his character a centerpiece of his campaign with the "bipartisan, unity, change, etc" slogans. This makes his judgement, character, associations, etc central to his campaign. He doesn't have an extensive record to judge him on so these things are key to trying to determine whether Obama is someone to vote for. On his limited record Obama lies time after time like the most recent one about lying about partial birth abortion.

Simply repeating "politics as usual, unity, change" only fools the gullible as a lot of the rest of the voters think actions speak louder than words.

Why is it that every time a democratic misspeaks we are supposed to chalk it up to "being taken out of context" yet republicans aren't afforded the same leniancy?

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey BillW and Cryos, while you guys are yucking it up here's some of the tasteful jokes your Good Old Boy John McCain has told over the years. Really goes to show what a truely great man John McCain is, don't it?

John McCain's ten worst jokes

1. The rape joke. During his 1986 Senate campaign, he told the following joke in front of a number of journalists: “Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, 'Where is that marvelous ape?'"

2. The “Bomb Iran” song. Earlier in his presidential campaign, McCain was asked by a participant at a town hall meeting when the US “should send an air mail message to Tehran”. He replied: “Do you know that old Beach Boys song, Bomb Iran?” before proceeding to sing “Bomb bomb bomb” to the tune of the hit Barbara-Ann

3. The one about killing Iranians. In July, McCain was asked by reporters on the campaign trail about data showing a ten-fold increase in US exports to Iran during Bush’s presidency, with a particular rise in tobacco exports. “Maybe that’s a way of killing them,” he replied, chuckling awhile before adding: “I meant that as a joke.” Iran, understandably, was not so amused.

4. The Chelsea Clinton joke. At a Senate Republican fundraiser in 1998, when Chelsea was just 18, he took aim at both her appearance and that of the then attorney-general . "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" he asked guests. "Because her father is Janet Reno."

5. The one about waterboarding. Despite previously condemning primary rival Rudy Giuliani for comparing the race to torture, McCain made a similar reference at a press conference with Florida governor Charlie Crist in January this year. When Crist was asked by reporters whether McCain had pressured him for his endorsement, McCain, a torture victim himself, interjected: "It was just waterboarding."

6. The other ones about waterboarding. About a month later, McCain made a very similar joke reported in the New York Times. With his presidential hopes apparently fading, a number of his staff had deserted the campaign, only to return when McCain resurrected his bid with a New Hampshire victory. There was, he jibed "a short period of waterboarding to find out what they did in their absence."

7. The Fidel joke. In February amid reports of Castro’s failing health, McCain told a town hall in Indiana, "I hope he has the opportunity to meet Karl Marx very soon."

8. The Alzheimers jibe. Shortly after President Reagan had been diagnosed with the degenerative illness, McCain made the following joke at a Republican fundraiser. “ Do you know the best thing about having Alzheimer's?” he asked. “You get to hide your own Easter eggs.”

9. The IED joke. When appearing on the admittedly satirical (and liberal-leaning) programme The Daily Show earlier this year, McCain joked that he'd brought host John Stewart an improvised explosive device as a gift from Iraq. The jibe drew criticism from relatives of US soldiers, over 1,700 of whom have been killed by IEDs.

10. The one about the French. In an interview with Fox News, McCain aimed at America’s allies in Afghanistan. "You know," he began, "the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who is still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the face for it."


Posted by: Who's laughing now? | August 19, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Should a hothead like John "Sonny Corleone" McCain run our nation?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/19/AR2008041902224_pf.html

"John McCain cupped a fist and began pumping it, up and down, along the side of his body. It was a gesture familiar to a participant in the closed-door meeting of the Senate committee who hoped that it merely signaled, as it sometimes had in the past, McCain's mounting frustration with one of his colleagues.

But when McCain leaned toward Charles E. Grassley and slowly said, "My friend . . ." it seemed clear that ugliness was looming:"

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Here go to this link for an objective non-partisan article about John McCain. www.farleftbiasedarticles.com ;)

And here's an objective article about Obama.

www.rightwingopinions.com

Please don't click them I have no idea where it will take you. Just when things like the huffington post are linked as a legitimate source I find it funny.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse


hayden1: "For God's sake man, Obama says he Loves America. What is wrong with that! .... your arguments are getting boring and childish."

But he's neen saying it OVER and OVER for weeks now. Me thinks he protests too much... Now you have gone ad hominem, the mark of losing an argument.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"A little humor now:

And it came to pass that the national anthem was played and the ONE placed his hands over the wrong place. Some wanted to stone him, but his followers rose up and said "ye who have not fondled yourself, cast the first stone". Thus he was spared and he traveled the land, speaking to the crowds while often raising his head heavenward, as tho getting cues. And yea tho he walketh in the shadow of Wright, his charisma is great, and he plodeth on to achieve stardom. So to speak."

Lol. Thanks for injecting the humor into this thread :)

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain lies with impunity. Typical Republican.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/what-john-mccain-told-me_b_100183.html

Hit him on that!

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

To answer your question, the point is he would not need to say the above unless there are those who wonder about his being patriotic due to his past associations and activity which were due solely to HIS judgment.


Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 1:01 PM
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For God's sake man, Obama says he Loves America. What is wrong with that! If McCain keeps reiterating his patriotism I do not see Republicans saying "We should question his love of America because he keeps repeating this point." This was the same kind of thrash used against Kerry, and it is the same smear tactic used against Democrats in general by the Republicans. The GOP has used this with good effect. They dig up every piece of dirt, every association, every snippet taken out of context, and then amplify it to absurdity. Then you guys whine "Oooo look-this person is so unpatriotic, so un-American."
The Democrats must now forcefully and unequivocally push back hard. We can argue back and forth until the end of this thread, but really your arguments are getting boring and childish.

Posted by: hayden1 | August 19, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse


"Well, BillW I am happy to see that you recognize what a low down dirty nasty dog Mr. Red Faced Bill Clinton (aka...Big Dog) really is!"

Not bad... however big and little dogs are still both dogs. Better to be big.

A little humor now:

And it came to pass that the national anthem was played and the ONE placed his hands over the wrong place. Some wanted to stone him, but his followers rose up and said "ye who have not fondled yourself, cast the first stone". Thus he was spared and he traveled the land, speaking to the crowds while often raising his head heavenward, as tho getting cues. And yea tho he walketh in the shadow of Wright, his charisma is great, and he plodeth on to achieve stardom. So to speak.


Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Billw wrote: Lucy re Bill Clinton: " It's a shame his legacy is not worth 5 cents anymore."

You can tell who the big dog is by who the little one's bark at.
___________________________________________

Well, BillW I am happy to see that you recognize what a low down dirty nasty dog Mr. Red Faced Bill Clinton (aka...Big Dog) really is! What a heck of a legacy! LMAO

Posted by: Lucy | August 19, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign - or an independent org - needs to hit McCain on their supposed 'family values'

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93708729

We will see if the press beats Cindy McCain up for this - essentially kicking her half sister, her own flesh and blood, to the curb - the same way they beat up Michelle Obama for a slip of the tongue.

Scholars will be analyzing this campaign - and the media's double standards - for years to come.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Corruption the highly partisan op-eds you're linking to are equivalent to a conservative posting to evidence from a Rush transcript. Hopefully you recognize that extremist politics are not justified regardless of party affiliation. I know political correctness is being used to try to justify liberal extremism but sane minded people see there is no difference.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse


Lucy re Bill Clinton: " It's a shame his legacy is not worth 5 cents anymore."

You can tell who the big dog is by who the little one's bark at.


Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Cryos......Thanks for the compliment even if you were being sarcastic! The PUMAs, Bill & HIll and rethugs can get me a bit unraveled a times! LMAO!!!

But I am really happy about the prisons...we need a way to keep these fools out of Obama's hair while we enjoy the convention and have lots of fun and prepare to kick McCain's arse!

Proud Obama supporter '08

Posted by: lUcy | August 19, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"Dozens of interviews with current and former intelligence officials and policymakers in the United States, Britain, France and Italy show that the Bush administration disregarded key information available at the time showing that the Iraq-Niger claim was highly questionable."

Once again 20/20 hindsight. If you want to hate Bush that is fine I don't agree with some things he's done also but if you want to give yourself credibility at least give blame where blame is due not try to spin every single event to meet your opinion. You might get pats on the back from other liberals but independants and moderates are generally smarter than that. Repeating the same things to try to make them the truth only works on the weak minded.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, let's see if this post gets censored...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
"“McCain’s personal fortune traces back to organized crime in Arizona.”

Obama's campaign needs to hit McCain hard on this.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"I am soooo proud of Obama....what a 100% difference from the devisive, pathetic, disgusting, pig slop politics that the majority of Americans are so sick and tired of seeing!! He brings a new image to politics and represents the USA in such a delightful and positive manner thoughout the world! What a dynamic change. I can't wait to go to Denver on Sunday! I am going to have so much fun! I am glad they opened a new prison to lock those few idiots (PUMAs and rethugs) away while we have a great time in Denver! I just hope they find away to drag red faced Bubba off to one of those prisons to keep him from showing his pathetic loosing tantrums! It's a shame is legacy is not worth 5 cents anymore. What a waste of air!"

Lol wow your extremely tolerant attitude is such a good reason why people should vote for a candidate who attracts such good, fair, non-partisan supporters ;)

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse


I said:
"Obama was out this morning saying "Make no mistake, I love this country".
It's unbelievable we have a candidate for president whose past activity requires he say this to the voters."

hayden1 said:
"What exactly was your point?... I will not let you bring up this issue and then tell me to stop."

First, show where I ask you to "stop". I did not do so.

Second, Obama's COMPLETE statements this morning were:
"I love this country. I will let no one question my love of this country, I love America."

To answer your question, the point is he would not need to say the above unless there are those who wonder about his being patriotic due to his past associations and activity which were due solely to HIS judgment.


Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Believe what you want- I'm not spending any more time on this conversation with you.

Here's what the WaPo wrote about the matter though-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/02/AR2007040201777_pf.html/
"How Bogus Letter Became a Case for War."

"Dozens of interviews with current and former intelligence officials and policymakers in the United States, Britain, France and Italy show that the Bush administration disregarded key information available at the time showing that the Iraq-Niger claim was highly questionable."

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I am soooo proud of Obama....what a 100% difference from the devisive, pathetic, disgusting, pig slop politics that the majority of Americans are so sick and tired of seeing!! He brings a new image to politics and represents the USA in such a delightful and positive manner thoughout the world! What a dynamic change. I can't wait to go to Denver on Sunday! I am going to have so much fun! I am glad they opened a new prison to lock those few idiots (PUMAs and rethugs) away while we have a great time in Denver! I just hope they find away to drag red faced Bubba off to one of those prisons to keep him from showing his pathetic loosing tantrums! It's a shame is legacy is not worth 5 cents anymore. What a waste of air!

Posted by: Lucy | August 19, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Shailagh Murray:

Where were you yesterday when BHO uttered Reconquista-style comments?

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007920.html

"They didn't cross the border, the border crossed them"?? BHO might as well join MEChA.

Posted by: 24AheadDotCom | August 19, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"The CIA was pissed at Bush, in real-time, because his administration put a lot of pressure on them to corrupt their analysis. Perhaps you don't or can't understand and appreciate what that meant."

This is your opinion you have the right to it but your interpretation of events without any first hand knowledge does not make it true nor give me reason to blindly believe it.

Nice try again to spin the subject but THE WMD ISSUE WAS A BIPARTISAN AND INTERNATIONAL ISSUE. You can try spinning it one way or another but at a factual level you lose.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse


"The upcoming convention in Denver will likely demonstrate to the public that the Dems regret having nominated BHO"

One hopes so.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama was out this morning saying "Make no mistake, I love this country".
It's unbelievable we have a candidate for president whose past activity requires he say this to the voters.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 10:27 AM
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What exactly was your point? McCain has said more so than this. McCain bashes this point every chance he gets.
So what is your point that Obama said it? Are just being very sly in bringing up this issue.
I will not relinquish this argument if you keep bringing it up. I hope Obama does not let it go either. I will not let you bring up this issue and then tell me to stop. Go cry somewhere else Bill.

Posted by: hayden1 | August 19, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Garak you better put on your tin foil hat for the republican conspiracy before they brainwash you.

Nice partisan post by the way I especially love how you assume I"m a neocon which I'm not and I don't like neocons. I'm just tired of the mindless liberals who think that "omg republicans are evil and theyre for big business and blah blah blah blah " is somehow a valid substitute for logic, fact and rational thought in a debate.

"The seeds of the credit crisis started when Alan Greenspan refused to use the power Congress gave him to impose minimal underwriting standards for mortgage brokers."

Things like this get blamed but how about things like democrats ideals that contributed to this one. Democrats wanted to increase the number minority homeowners so they urged the market to ignore bad credit to get this ideal across. Then the results of the idealist based policy backfires and they blame it on republicans. Par for the course with democratic ideals (example ethanol).

In their righteous quest to "save the world" liberals contributed to problems in the food market and are contributing to dead zones in the oceans. But I guess we should ignore the reality of their misguided ideals because "their hearts were in the right place" and "the problem is really elsewhere" right? Sorry I live in this place called reality where the consequences and potential impact of a situation are more important than the ideal.

Modern liberals are every bit as much faith based and religious to their ideals as religious conservatives; its amusing.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Believe what you want, but this is a lot deeper than hindsight is 20/20. The CIA was pissed at Bush, in real-time, because his administration put a lot of pressure on them to corrupt their analysis. Perhaps you don't or can't understand and appreciate what that meant. Anyhow, it's a free country, believe what you want. Good day to you.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse


"By the way, I don't want to be listening to a person who prides themselves in engaging in risky activities."

You are way off base. Any "pride" would be due to serving one's country. Taking risks is just an intrinsic part of that.

You also said: Tell me why I should vote for Mccain?"

Not my place to tell you who to vote for, but for my part I consider him the lesser of two "evils".

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Nice attempt at spin to make it all republicans' fault Corruption but it was a bipartisan mistake. Saddam himself kept up the rumors about WMDs since he viewed it as a deterrent for enemies.

Hindsight is always 20/20 it is easy once you have the answer to go back and analyze what was missed.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse


"That was directed at Mccain not you and was not an insult but an observation"

Then you were confused. Here is the post:

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You obviously haven't met the psycho

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Anonymous:
It's a pity that knocking someone's war inflicted injuries doesn't disqualify one from voting. But fortunately for you, this is America.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:36 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:41 AM

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

As the days pass, it becomes more and more obvious how shallow Obama is on his positions and his convictions. In spite of the efforts to blame McCain being negative on BHO, this is the reason the polls are tightening.

The American public is seeing through Obama. Ironically, the most observant group to pick up on this was the far left liberal wing of the party, which now is blasting BHO for his change on positions and his lack of conviction.

The upcoming convention in Denver will liely demonstrate to the public that the Dems regret having nominated BHO and would have been much better off with Hillary, who had been publicly vetted over the last 15 years.

And so it is written....

Posted by: Nostradamis | August 19, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Cyros: WMD were no mistake. The Republicans led a massive disinformation campaign to deceive the public into supporting W's Excellent Adventure in Vietraq. Cheney et al knew full well Saddam had no WMD. Curveball, yellowcake, forging memos from captured Iraqi intelligence officers, pressuring CIA analysts who tried to tell the truth, outing covert CIA operatives who were working to prevent al Qaeda from getting their hands on nukes, it's all part of a long pattern of deceit and fraud. The only mistake was that Congress and the American public fell for this shameless (neo)con job. Sorry to burst your neocon bubble, but them's the facts.

Your statement on the economy shows you are either a total moron, or a devoted viewer of Fox Propaganda. The seeds of the credit crisis started when Alan Greenspan refused to use the power Congress gave him to impose minimal underwriting standards for mortgage brokers. That was a bit before 2006. But since when are facts relevant to conservatives?

The American public is sick and tired of conservatard disinformation. So please spare us.

Posted by: Garak | August 19, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

As for the WMD thing, consider the following:

1. At the core of the WMD argument was the notion that Iraq purchased uranium yellowcakes from Niger.

2. Joe Wilson's CIA report was a scathing critique of that notion. And many in the CIA were upset that the Bush Admin was pressuring them to come to erroneous conclusions.

3. Then the Bush people got vicious and outed Wilson's CIA wife.

4. Scooter Libby got indicted - Cheney and Rove got off scot-free - and was, surprise, pardoned by Bush.

Bush lied to the American people. McCain was complicit in the lies.

When Bush is out of power, a lot of people will come forward to set the record straight. It won't be pretty.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

A lot of folks posting comments here have an ugly misguided view of the world. they create polarities of hatred, a "us against them" mentality; they actually believe that one side of the political fence is so opposed to the other that they will stop at nothing to use slander, distorted facts, and outright lies to further their biases and short-sighted view of the world, when in all actuality the differences between the two political parties in reality are so small that a lot of this posturing acts as nothing more than a smoke screen to keep our eye off the ball of the corporations that bought and sold America a long time ago. See: We the People.

So, with this being said, both you Democrats and Republicans keep on throwing manure over the fence at yourselves. The rest of us human beings will look on and take a deep breath and look inward at ourselves and contemplate what we will do to make ourselves and our country as a whole better.

Posted by: Rule of Thumb, Oregon | August 19, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

WMD link for those that actually want to see facts and not just find "facts" to fit their ideals.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

'we’re going after the WMD"

WMDs were a bipartisan and international mistake. Sorry to burst your bubble that everything is republican's fault.

The economy was fine until democrats got control of congress promising to lower gas prices in 2006. How did that work out by the way?

Democrats been spending all their time investigating republicans and political posturing rather than attempting to pass meaningful legislation so it is no surprise things are getting worse. I guess "saving the world" and having an obstructionist ego are more important than trying to solve energy issues. Both sides have responsibility with the economic problems but extremist idealism has taken over the democratic party.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse


That was directed at Mccain not you and was not an insult but an observation.

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"I know you want to trade insults"

Hey!!! You are the one who said:
"You obviously haven't met the psycho"

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 12:00 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I think the air is going out of many of your posts. Tell me why I should vote for Mccain? And lets try to keep it in this century. By the way, I don't want to be listening to a person who prides themselves in engaging in risky activities. That is not what you want in a president. I will take a rational thinker.
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"Obama would have every reason to be scared Mccain crashed five planes in his career."

At least McCain has the guts to risk dangerous avtivity. Obama has even refused to join McCain in open town hall meetings.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:57 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

It's get me the only person always talking
about surrender! is the one that actually
surrendered. Ha HA what a joke!,Did you have a side arm McPhoney, if so how many
VC did you shoot?How many times did you
attempt escape? how many afro-america men
get intergorated and tortured,every day
in metro. police stations,here at home
? you are no hero Mccain,Kennedy & poppy Bush are real hero's PHONEY1

Posted by: HORNY FOR HANNITY | August 19, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse


"I know you want to trade insults"

Hey!!! You are the one who said:
"You obviously haven't met the psycho"

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse


"Obama would have every reason to be scared Mccain crashed five planes in his career."

At least McCain has the guts to risk dangerous avtivity. Obama has even refused to join McCain in open town hall meetings.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I know you want to trade insults and that is fine but I spent 45 minutes in Mccains company with five other money people and the guy is nuts. I have spent enough time at the VFW to know enough of the of guy Mccain is. The war is his claim to fame he will never let go of it. It is how he defines himself. The guy is craze and if 8 years of George Bush hasn't taught up how much trouble a bad president can get us into nothing ever will.

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"You obviously haven't met the psycho"

You obviously don't know what "psycho" means, because I just met you here, as it were.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:43 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign should release a video entitled "McCain and Bush's Iraq Lies." In 30 seconds it can cover: we’re going after the WMD... they were responsible for 9-11... the oil will pay for the whole operation... greeted as liberators... mission accomplished... creating a shining democracy... $2 trillion dollars down the tubes.

Wars should never be entered into lightly. And the people and the congress should never be lied to about matters of war. McCain was complicit in the largest foreign policy blunder in our lifetime. He needs to pay for that.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Obama would have every reason to be scared Mccain crashed five planes in his career. In fact, George Bush was a far superior pilot to Mccain. Mccain never flew a fighter he flew an A-4 attack aircraft referred to as amusingly as the "Scooter". A plane commonly used as a training aircraft. Mccain was not qualified to fly a fighter. He was a low rated pilot.

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cyros: " At least McCain has the guts to do REAL debates and take REAL questions from REAL people."

I've said this before, but I really would like to see McCain take Obama up in a fighter plane. Bet Obama would need clean drawers.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:40 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse


"You obviously haven't met the psycho"

You obviously don't know what "psycho" means, because I just met you here, as it were.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

You obviously haven't met the psycho

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Anonymous:
It's a pity that knocking someone's war inflicted injuries doesn't disqualify one from voting. But fortunately for you, this is America.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:36 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse


cyros: " At least McCain has the guts to do REAL debates and take REAL questions from REAL people."

I've said this before, but I really would like to see McCain take Obama up in a fighter plane. Bet Obama would need clean drawers.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

You need to study Mccains bio a little closer. He went to a M.A. And graduated 894 of 899 in his class. He should have been thrown out and drafted but because of who his father was he hid out there and avoided the real army. Then he got into flight school something else he was not qualified for and killed some more time there. Finally he had to actually get involved in the war. He never commanded men in combat or anywhere else for that matter. He was want we I guess would call a "first class screw up". In his book he says he broke while a POW and made 1 propaganda piece for the enemy. The fact is he made 30 such films. It may also be noted that two other POW's in the same camp who did one were threatened with execution for treason. The same thing Mccain did 30 times willingly. It's nice when your father is an Admiral. Below is something interesting and you are free to call the number and confirm it is legitimate. I am sorry Mccain is a phony who has been BSing the public for so many years he himself has no idea what the truth is anymore.

JOHN MCCAIN, TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.
Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442

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@ john, and Billw

McCain was an officer who went to the Naval Academy.

That's signing up of your own free will.

Posted by: Simple Facts | August 19, 2008 11:26 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign needs to hit back harder and it needs to demonize McCain as a guy who lies, cheats and steals. There is a lot of evidence to support that storyline. Lots of lies (Iraq etc), lots of cheating (wife etc), and lots of stealing (Keating etc). And it needs to have the DNC demonize the whole republican party for lying, cheating and stealing. Destroy the word 'Republican' the way Atwater and Rove dirtied up the word Liberal. Republican Lies. Republican Cheaters. Republican Thieves. Use examples, lots of them. Every last one.

Obama's campaign needs to break out some pop culture references and, say, compare McCain to the Godfather's Sonny Corleone, a hothead who would get set up by Putin.

No one cames back from war, or even a football game, without being wounded. But it hurts a lot less if you win. Crush the Republicans.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 19, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"At one of his town hall meetings he even paraded around a half blind demented "Real" war hero with all his medals on exploiting him."

At least McCain has the guts to do REAL debates and take REAL questions from REAL people. Obama is scared to venture outside his comfort zone of prepared speeches, scripted questions and friendly moderators.

I love how Obama attacks someone and when they attack him in return he pulls out his "don't have time for these politics as usual attacks." I feel sorry for the suckers who actually believe Obama is anything other than a classical corrupt politician.

Posted by: Cryos | August 19, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse


Anonymous:
It's a pity that knocking someone's war inflicted injuries doesn't disqualify one from voting. But fortunately for you, this is America.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse


"That stuff is so weak no one is even talking about it anymore. It was meaningless even when they were talking about. That was just Hillary grasping at straws."

No, grasping at straws is trying to sweep it under the rug.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Obama has a potential "ace" strategy against McCain if his campaign plays it right and forcefully.

McCain's position on Al Qaeda has always been summed up in his rhetoric, "I'll chase Bin Laden to the gets of Hell."

Obama's campaign should begin to use tougher rhetoric and McCain's own senate votes/positions over the last 8 years of hunting down Al Qaeda and the war on terrorism.

Hint, Hint Obama campaign: Who would have thought that to McCain the "gates of Hell" ended at Pakistan's border?!

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | August 19, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse


"McKoot"

Name-calling, typical of Obama supporters.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse


"No one cares, that crap was weighed into months ago and no one cares."

So bad behavior from the past is to be forgotten? I suppose you vindicate Hitler as well?

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

JOHN MCCAIN, PLAYING THE DISABILITY CARD HIS WHOLE CAREER.

Mccain has been playing the disability card for his entire career. No one dares tell the truth about him or challenge the war hero or say anything bad or he will tell you,
" MY ARMS HURT, MY ARMS HURT, I WAS A P.O.W., I AM A HERO ASK ANYBODY".
He gets away with murder, why, Hell, "HE IS DISABLED".
At one of his town hall meetings he even paraded around a half blind demented "Real" war hero with all his medals on exploiting him. He has been hiding behind his disability for so long I was actually glad in 2000 when Bush went after him. Enough is enough he had been living off this hero BS with no political substance what so ever long enough. Much of his past can not even be substantiated. He can not account for most of his medals, ask him. They were just handed to him because of who his father was. It has long been just assumed his military records have been altered and faked by his father. It's nice when your father is an Admiral. Two other men in his camp who collaborated with the enemy were threatened with execution as traders for doing the exact same thing Mccain himself admits doing in his book, except Mccain did it "30" times. But like I said, when your father is an Admiral your past can be what ever you say it is and after a while you even begin to believe it.

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john: "Speaking of playing cards...How many times do we have to hear about McCain being a POW? Did he sign up for the military or was he drafted? If he signed up then he needs suck it up"

All the more to McCain's credit if he signed up. It kept someone else from being drafted and risking their life. I served in wartime (drafted), and no one "signed up for me" :)

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:20 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

@ john, and Billw

McCain was an officer who went to the Naval Academy.

That's signing up of your own free will.

Posted by: Simple Facts | August 19, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse


"I was at the VFW hall a while ago and Mccain was on the TV. One of the guys yelled out, "That Mother Fu&ker is as crazy as I am". Mccain has no support among vets"

Taking an exception and making it the rule is poor judgment, just like Obama's past association with those who speak out or act against America.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

That stuff is so weak no one is even talking about it anymore. It was meaningless even when they were talking about. That was just Hillary grasping at straws. The republicans have never mentioned any of it because they know it is nothing. Only bloger bigots keep bringing it up talking to themselves.

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Obama attended Wright''s hate-filled church for 20 years. Wright supported Farrakhan and even gave Farrakhan a "Lifetime Achievement Award". Even so, Obama still stayed with Wright and his church. Also, Obama was associated with Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist. Add to this his refusal to wear a flag pin and not placing his hand over his heart during the national anthem and one can see why many people wonder if he has Islamic leanings.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse


john: "Speaking of playing cards...How many times do we have to hear about McCain being a POW? Did he sign up for the military or was he drafted? If he signed up then he needs suck it up"

All the more to McCain's credit if he signed up. It kept someone else from being drafted and risking their life. I served in wartime (drafted), and no one "signed up for me" :)

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

You are the only one who cares.

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Justin from Chicago: Please see my post at 11:10. These things are of concern to many voters. I can't imagine McCain being guilty of them, or not resenting them.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:14 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Obama attended Wright''s hate-filled church for 20 years. Wright supported Farrakhan and even gave Farrakhan a "Lifetime Achievement Award". Even so, Obama still stayed with Wright and his church. Also, Obama was associated with Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist. Add to this his refusal to wear a flag pin and not placing his hand over his heart during the national anthem and one can see why many people wonder if he has Islamic leanings.
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What about the Keating scandal, leaving his disabled wife for a young rich drug addict homewrecker, supporting Bush's oil wars, trying to take away my rights as a woman etc etc. If we did a connect the dots on McCain he could be tied to every scandal in america for the past 30 years..That sounds like some real anti-American activities if you ask me...All you have on Obama is fabricated, trumped up nonsense that is s about as true as McKoot being in a cone of silence.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

No one cares, that crap was weighed into months ago and no one cares. If that is what you are relying on to win it is over. Unless you come up with off shore bank accounts or bribes on tape, Obama may be as clean a guy as you will find in Washington. Lord knows Hillary's henchmen tried to find something and there is nothing. Obama is a great candidate and will be elected. That is all there is to it. When you come down to it, A 72 year old man suffering from dementia is not going to be elected president. That is just the way it is. I hope you all don't have some plan for a mass suicide when this is over because Obama is going to win.

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ptomus: "What past activities? If you are going to make charges, you must be specific"

Obama attended Wright''s hate-filled church for 20 years. Wright supported Farrakhan and even gave Farrakhan a "Lifetime Achievement Award". Even so, Obama still stayed with Wright and his church. Also, Obama was associated with Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist. Add to this his refusal to wear a flag pin and not placing his hand over his heart during the national anthem and one can see why many people wonder if he has Islamic leanings.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:10 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse


Justin from Chicago: Please see my post at 11:10. These things are of concern to many voters. I can't imagine McCain being guilty of them, or not resenting them.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of playing cards...How many times do we have to hear about McCain being a POW? Did he sign up for the military or was he drafted? If he signed up then he needs suck it up, come to terms it and stop playing the POW card.

Americans dont like the victim mentality especially when he had a choice not to sign up unlike the 10's of 1000's of poor people who had no choice when they were killed, maimed or tortured as the center piece on why they should be president.

Posted by: John | August 19, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I was at the VFW hall a while ago and Mccain was on the TV. One of the guys yelled out, "That Mother Fu&ker is as crazy as I am". Mccain has no support among vets, they more then anybody know he is nuts.

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McCain got served this morning...Its pathetic that a young inexperienced man has to tell an experienced old koot to grow up and behave in a way that reflects the seriousness of the challenges that we face in America.

Besides that someone needs to tell him that Iraq is not Vietnam...Winning Iraq will not be a proxy win for Vietnam. This man suffers from PTSD like most other Vietnam Vets subjected to torture by the incompetence of the US Government.

Why does he want to subject more young men to that same mental condition? because they want to secure oil Contracts for Queen Beatrice? KBR likes making billions off of electrocuting our troops? Blackwater mercs likes to make $10K a week raping and murdering innocent people?

Posted by: Becky | August 19, 2008 11:01 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse


ptomus: "What past activities? If you are going to make charges, you must be specific"

Obama attended Wright''s hate-filled church for 20 years. Wright supported Farrakhan and even gave Farrakhan a "Lifetime Achievement Award". Even so, Obama still stayed with Wright and his church. Also, Obama was associated with Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist. Add to this his refusal to wear a flag pin and not placing his hand over his heart during the national anthem and one can see why many people wonder if he has Islamic leanings.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I saw much of Obamas speech today and he was very good. For a change he was talking to a group who have brains in their heads. I watched Mccains speech and the tiny spattering of applause showed they were not buying his BS. He spent 75% of the whole speech just saying bad things about Obama. It was ridiculous and from their reaction the audience seem to think to. Mccains strategy of gearing his campaign to the least smart of the public is getting very old and after a while even idiots begin to see through his BS.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Billw,

What's should be unbelievable is that McCain would discard his honor so quickly in an attack on Obama's patriotism. Sadly, it not unbelievable, and simply the kind of reprehensible tactics we've come to expect from McCain and his Rove-trained campaign team.

Still, as a veteran I'd really hoped that McCain would show us little respect and not sully the VFW with that kind of slime.

Posted by: Justin from Chicago | August 19, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

McCain got served this morning...Its pathetic that a young inexperienced man has to tell an experienced old koot to grow up and behave in a way that reflects the seriousness of the challenges that we face in America.

Besides that someone needs to tell him that Iraq is not Vietnam...Winning Iraq will not be a proxy win for Vietnam. This man suffers from PTSD like most other Vietnam Vets subjected to torture by the incompetence of the US Government.

Why does he want to subject more young men to that same mental condition? because they want to secure oil Contracts for Queen Beatrice? KBR likes making billions off of electrocuting our troops? Blackwater mercs likes to make $10K a week raping and murdering innocent people?

Posted by: Becky | August 19, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

What past activities? If you are going to make charges, you must be specific. What specific actions has Sen. Obama taken in the past to call someone to questions his patriotism? Innuendo and anonymous smears won't work anymore. That gave us Bush/Cheney. John McCain is unfit to be president. He doesn't have the temperament. He is a grumpy old man stuck in the past, relying on dubious heroics from 40 years ago. His first response to anything is let’s bomb them. His answer to the question of “is there evil?” was yes, we’ll defeat it. Simplistic, shallow and missing the point made by Sen. Obama that evil is everywhere and our responsibility is to confront it and call it out. Mere humans cannot/will not defeat evil. But there was Sen. McCain, “let’s bomb it.”

Posted by: ptimus | August 19, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse


hayden1: "Only when Republicans do the same. Each action deserves a reaction."

Then take it up with whoever said it. Pulling the race card on me because someone else may have done it is not acceptable.


Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Good for Obama. He needs to hit back at McCain. It's one thing to elevate the discussion but, don't let him take advantage of you. People tell you how they want to be treated.

Posted by: Shannon | August 19, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Yea, Both read and imagined

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"The American people know that John McCain will hunt down terrorists wherever they are,

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

It think that racism will be a factor in this election and there is not much that can be done about it at this time. We will not solve the race problem in this country by November.

But I think that if Obama sticks to policy issues and strong positions he can win. He needs to focus on young voters and stick to the positions which got them to support him in the first place. The more he moves to the middle the less they are likely to come out to vote. His pandering to the Evangelical voter won't work because he has the wrong positions for them. Voters like myself actually get turned off when we bring religion into an election. Whatever happened to the separation of church and state. It is one of the main reasons I won't vote for McCain.

Obama needs to stop apologizing for taking what are called "liberal" positions and remind Americans that these positions include National Health Care, a better education, a better energy policy and the protection of human and civil rights for all Americans. These are the issues he can win on.

Posted by: peter DC | August 19, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds disputed a remark in Obama's speech about McCain's commitment to hunting al-Qaeda in Pakistan. "Unlike Barack Obama, John McCain doesn't have to compensate for a lack of credibility on the international stage with inflammatory and public threats against American allies," Bounds said in a statement. "The American people know that John McCain will hunt down terrorists wherever they are, and have a choice between strength and experience versus Barack Obama's rhetoric and theatrics."
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I just can't get over our acceptance of adults speaking this way. They sound like children. Has our political discourse really sunk so far?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse


Again, this time with Obama's COMPLETE statements this morning:

"I love this country. I will let no one question my love of this country, I love America."

Unbelievable a candidate for President has to say this.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Since the recent poll of the Military has Obama leading 6 to 1, I don't think he has anything to worry about. My only worry is voting fraud with the over seas votes from the soldiers. I know one person who lives in a condo and helped the old people do their vote by mail. Since he knew how they were voting he said he shredded all the demarcate mail in's they gave him. This guy is a piece of sh&t and I told him to his face. So it goes with a republican.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"Republicans see a person of color"

Past activity was the subject. Stick the race card back uo your sleeve, please.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 10:48 AM
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Only when Republicans do the same. Each action deserves a reaction.

I am sure "sleeve" was not what you really wanted to say.

Posted by: hayden1 | August 19, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse


"Republicans see a person of color"

Past activity was the subject. Stick the race card back uo your sleeve, please.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Orry. Forgot my signature

Obama was out this morning saying "Make no mistake, I love this country".
It's unbelievable we have a candidate for president whose past activity requires he say this to the voters.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 10:27 AM
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Of course he has to; and he needs to drive this point home even more. This is because shallow Republicans see a person of color and mixed heritage and immediately this person is labeled un-American and un-patriotic.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 10:45 AM

Posted by: hayden1 | August 19, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Obama was out this morning saying "Make no mistake, I love this country".
It's unbelievable we have a candidate for president whose past activity requires he say this to the voters.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 10:27 AM
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Of course he has to; and he needs to drive this point home even more. This is because shallow Republicans see a person of color and mixed heritage and immediately this person is labeled un-American and un-patriotic.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse


That old race card is about worn out. His activity was the subject.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

what is amazing is that you racist will try to attack his patriotism because you don't want a black president , that is what is amazing

Posted by: larry g | August 19, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse


Obama was out this morning saying "Make no mistake, I love this country".
It's unbelievable we have a candidate for president whose past activity requires he say this to the voters.

Posted by: Billw | August 19, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

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