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Obama and What it Takes


Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), walks off the plane with his wife Michelle Obama in Chicago, Ill., over the weekend. (AP/Alex Brandon)

By Dan Balz
DENVER -- Will the Democratic convention in Denver be remembered as the moment Barack Obama became conventional?

That is the real tension that underlies the opening of the Democratic National Convention here today. There are plots and subplots about the Clintons that will consume the media for the first few days of the week. But the most important storyline is what kind of candidate Obama will be when he leaves Denver and begins the final 60 days of the general election.

He has been the candidate of hope and inspiration and a new politics, whose soaring rhetoric and generational appeal spawned a movement that deposed the reining monarchs of the Democratic family. He is now under pressure to prove he can be equally good at handling some of the old politics that he -- and even more, many of his followers -- may have recoiled at earlier.

Over the next four days, Obama will complete a remarkable transformation, from political neophyte to the leader of the Democratic Party. He began the presidential campaign as a political phenomenon and matured into a seasoned political pro. But with his acceptance speech on Thursday night before 70,000 people at Invesco Field, he will take on his shoulders the responsibility of trying to deliver the White House to a party hungering to return to power.

The campaign he wages from here forward will bear all the signs of the operation that got him this far, full of hopeful and youthful enthusiasm, grounded in the belief that volunteer energy and organization is the key to changing the way Washington works and built very much around the singular and charismatic personality of the presumptive nominee himself.

But how much will he yield to calls to be more than just than an apostle of new politics and to acknowledge that what got him to the nomination might not be enough to beat John McCain in November? How much is he willing to become a little more conventional in his approach, if that's what it takes to win?

Obama's selection of Joe Biden as his vice presidential running mate suggests that he is already turning that corner. He spent 18 months running against Washington and the Washington establishment -- including the foreign policy establishment -- and then picked the very embodiment of that establishment to be his running mate. Biden may have an Everyman quality but after more than 30 years in the Senate, he is nothing if not a Washington insider.

The decision to pick Biden rather than someone who reinforced the change message at the heart of Obama's candidacy no doubt disillusioned some of Obama's grassroots supporters, but it said something about the Illinois senator that while obvious is not often remarked upon. His will to win is overpowering. The choice of Biden was a hard-headed, cold-blooded calculation that he may need a Biden to win and will certainly benefit from a Biden in governing, if he become president. It was the action of a politician, not a crusader.

The second sign that Obama may be turning into a more conventional politician is his newly apparent appetite to take on McCain. When he launched his bid for the nomination, he often said he was prepared to return fire from his opponents but that he preferred to keep the tone civil and respectful. He resisted, in his own words, knee-capping his opponents.

He (and, to be fair, McCain) pledged a more high-minded general election campaign, but over the last two months, he and McCain have both shown their willingness to jettison those lofty pledges. If winning requires him to wage a tougher campaign, Obama is ready to do so -- as he showed Sunday in Wisconsin.

That too may disillusion some people attracted to him because he seemed likely to turn the page on that style of politics -- and perhaps if he is elected he will have another chance -- but there are plenty of Democratic leaders, insiders and activists who are applauding him and urging him to get even tougher.

Obama should resist descending to the worst of some recent campaigns, as should McCain, but what Democrats do not want is a nominee who doesn't appear ready for battle.

"I think as the nominee of the Democratic Party Barack Obama is obligated to do everything that he can possibly do that is honest and ethical to win that seat," Gov. Ted Strickland of Ohio told a group of Post editors and reporters on Sunday night. "Now what he talked about in terms of a different kind of politics -- I hope that after he wins he will attempt to have that kind of administration ... But this is an election and the obligation he has, I think, to the country is to fight as hard as he can fight."

The most important step toward conventionality involves Obama's message. I ran into a well-known Democratic strategist on the floor of the Pepsi Center on Sunday who articulated what so many others are saying. That is, that it's time for Obama to sacrifice some of that high-flying rhetoric for a bread-and-butter message that puts economic issues at the front of his candidacy and that frames the choice for voters in starker terms than he's done so far.

That isn't a new refrain from many Democrats. In his battle against Hillary Clinton, Obama was urged to forego the big rallies for more intimate conversations with voters, to de-emphasize the rock star qualities of his candidacy in order to make a more direct connection with struggling middle-class voters.

He did make some changes in his campaign, but there is a belief among many Democrats now that he must do far more to defeat McCain. They want to see a sustained and energetic effort that has been lacking to date.

Nothing will turn Obama into a truly conventional politician. His gifts as a campaigner, his personality and his natural talents have set him apart from other politicians. His advisers don't want do to anything to diminish the attributes that got him to this moment. But to reach the promised land of post-partisan politics, Obama may have to show he's willing to embrace some old-fashioned ideas about what it takes to win.

By Web Politics Editor  |  August 25, 2008; 10:54 AM ET
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Posted by: Outside | August 26, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA CAMP RAISES WM. AYRES ISSUE = POLITICAL SUICIDE

If the delegates needed one more reason not to nominate Barack Obama, this would be it.

The William Ayres connection was below the radar of most voters, and probably would have stayed there. If it was going to be raised, let the McCain camp do it first, so the Obama response could address the particulars that the opposition raises.

To raise the issue themselves as a pre-emptive move is bad strategy. Now Obama has invited scrutiny of the relationship. And when you take a closer look, you do wonder: Why was he associating with this guy when he knew his background?

It raises the "judgement to lead" issue, and not in a good way -- just as the Rev. Wright and Tony Rezko episodes did.

Rezko is scheduled to be sentenced just a week before the election -- another reason to reject Obama's bid for the presidential nomination tonight by voting "Hillary."

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism

WHAT IF THEY COULD SHOOT YOU
WITHOUT LEAVING A TRACE? THEY CAN.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1


Posted by: scrivener | August 26, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I am not going to judge all Canadians as severely mentally ill by the posts here. Come home to mom?

Posted by: Morgo | August 26, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Every politician is a product of wheeling and dealing. You cannot ascent to the highest ranks in politics if you do not pander to special interests, feign stances on divisive issues, or change one's mind about a policy. If you pick and dig into Obama's and Biden's lives, than you will find instances that do not cast either in the best of lights. But let's be honest here, Republicans have been getting kick backs from corporations for too long. Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial complex in his farewell speech as president. A fighting force has to be supplied by companies. Is it a conincidence that these companies that supply food, clothing, arms, and vehicles for the armed forces are often run by men who are, or are very close with, politicians. Dick Cheney is the most famous example of these sorts of persons. His company is moving to Dubai and he is moving there at the end of his term. Maybe Obama can't point to specific victories in his past, but at least he didn't rub elbows with merchants of death.

Posted by: Sam | August 26, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Obama should have chosen Clinton if it’s really for the good of America, both of them would have given up their differences and tried to work out all the issues by employing Obama’s vision and Clinton’s experience. The fact that Obama chose Biden simply because this guys has the cleanest history and less problems for Republican’s attack shows how egoistic Obama is and what he’s really in for - to win the race, not for the good of America. Clinton is so much more brilliant and capable than Biden. What a poor choice on Obama’s part to choose Biden as a running mate. He just lost my vote for this election

Posted by: Moonriver | August 25, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted 4 hrs ago...back from dinner and the only answer I get is a request for my curriculum vitae???????????? c'mon...

Festinog-"Rezko’s wife sold one sixth of an undeveloped lot which adjoined Obama’s property to Obama because the Rezko’s are property developers. Selling land is what they do, which may come as a bit of a shock to you."
Why would a "land developer" sell off enough property to their neighbor to reduce their own property to a size below which their community allows one to build upon? Why did such shrewd people overpay simultaneous to Obama- who isn't a shrewd land developer- underpaying? Please answer and then I'll debunk the rest of David axelrod's dictums. Mrs. Rezko by the way is NOT a very successful "land developer":

"The UK Times reports that Barack Obama's involvement with Chicago slum landlord Tony Rezko, currently under indictment, may involve money originating from a British-Iraqi Middle East wheeler-dealer, Nadhmi Auchi, a convicted criminal.

Rezko, an Obama fundraiser, helped facilitate Obama's purchase of a $1.65 million mansion in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood for $300,000 below the asking price. The owner wished to sell both the house and an adjoining lot. Mrs. Rezko paid the full asking price of $625,000 on the same day that the Obamas purchased their luxury home. At a substantial discount. The seller denies that there was any connection between the two transactions. Later, a small portion of the land was sold to the Obamas so that they could expand their garden.

Senator Obama calls this arrangement a "mistake."

Now it develops that Mr. and Mrs. Rezko apparently lacked the money to make the purchase of the plot of land.

In a sworn statement a year later, Mrs Rezko said she got by on a salary of $37,000 and had $35,000 assets. Mr Rezko told a court he had "no income, negative cash flow, no liquid assets, no unencumbered assets [and] is significantly in arrears on many of his obligations."

Just weeks before the Hyde Park transactions, Auchi loaned $3.5 million to Rezko.

A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama's bagman Antoin "Tony" Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million."
ps
On Biden- Washington Post 10/24/07-

"In a lengthy interview with the Washington Post editorial board, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.) asserted that he is more prepared to be president than any other candidate, disputed the notion that governors are better suited for the White House than senators and warned that Pakistan is a potentially bigger threat than Iran.

Biden also stumbled through a discourse on race and education, leaving the impression that he believed one reason so many Washington D.C. schools fail is the city's high minority population."


Facts burn..Festinog, don't they?
As much as you wished you had picked the right candidate...you and Axelrod can't make it so....We already have the right Joe on our side.................................
LIEBERMAN-
who never put down hard working Indian American 7 Eleven cashiers, like experienced Joe Biden....ALSO, I dodn't believe Joe Lieberman sold ou t his constituency to MBNA and the credit card industry in return for a 1/2 million dollar job for his lobbyist son....see today's NYTimes p. A13...
Where is one Obama supporter who realizes that her or his candidate does sell out to the highest bidder- see Rezko and Illinois Farmers ...has almost no foreign poicy experience....but still will vote for him for a reason they can't quite put into words, summarized as "Change"?

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 5:09 PM


Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I am proud of my country and my daddy. I hope we have a first lady like Cindy McCain who is proud of America go cindy go go cindy go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: giselle | August 25, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous- US Patent Holder with a doctorate degree...You?

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

So how does this work? Danny is an Obama supporter embedded at the Washington Post and currently embedded in the Democrat's weep fest. He's double-embedded?

Posted by: well ok | August 25, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Scott:

All they know are ad hominem personal attacks -- they know we speak the truth, which is why they can't rebut with actual facts -- don't worry about them. What do you think about this:

Speaker Pelosi Tells Disappointed Clinton Supporters to Avoid 'Victim Politics'

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5650893&page=1

Isn't 'Victim Politics' what the entire Democratic Party is built upon?!

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Scott is a nuckle head I wonder which school he/she attended?. He/she is either ignorant or plain stupid!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

They have sold out their country for profit. They are traitors; nothing more, nothing less. Traitors. Their words and actions are despicable and treasonous. They have no currency in this exchange.....they are traitors to the cause of America and what our nation stands for. They are and always will be disgusting seditionists.

Posted by: Cyrus Clarke | August 25, 2008 5:34 PM
*************
Cyrus, Obama sold out to Rezko and Illinois farmers and we're all paying for it
Biden sold out to MBNA and the credit card industry and we're all paying for it...
who cares who JD sold out to?

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I think this election is as important and interesting as heck:
Real clear politics
President Monday, August 25
Race Poll Results Spread
National CNN Obama 47, McCain 47 Tie
National Gallup Tracking Obama 45, McCain 45 Tie
National Rasmussen Tracking Obama 48, McCain 45 Obama +3
National USA Today/Gallup Obama 48, McCain 45 Obama +3
Colorado Suffolk Obama 44, McCain 39 Obama +5
Texas Rasmussen McCain 54, Obama 44 McCain +10
Michigan Detroit News Obama 43, McCain 41 Obama +2
Ohio Columbus Dispatch McCain 42, Obama 41 McCain +1

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm not proud of Michelle, not even since her husband won the primary. I think Michelle taught her children hatred and racial bigotry. After all, she forced them to sit and listen to Reverend Jerimiah Wright their entire lives. The Obamas' are were endoctrinated in the Church-of-Hate, let's hope they don't bring their flock to the White House.

Posted by: Samantha | August 25, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Jake D is a traitor. All neo cons are traitors. They have sold out their country for profit. They are traitors; nothing more, nothing less. Traitors. Their words and actions are despicable and treasonous. They have no currency in this exchange.....they are traitors to the cause of America and what our nation stands for. They are and always will be disgusting seditionists.

Posted by: Cyrus Clarke | August 25, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

i think this whole election is stupid

Posted by: rebecca | August 25, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

As a lifelong Republican it pains me to say that if John McCain chooses either Lieberman or Romney to his ticket I will be voting Democratic this year. I'm also an Evangelical and neither of those two believe Jesus was the son of God. That's a deal killer for me and all my friends.

Posted by: Mark | August 25, 2008 5:14 PM

Mark, what do you think about Sarah Pallin, Meg Whitman, and Charlie Crist?

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

We're voting against the Dem Party for their Nazi tactics - fixing the nomination for Obama longggg before the primary began.

Dems for McCain - NO Hussein!

PUMA

Posted by: JoseyJ | August 25, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

As a lifelong Republican it pains me to say that if John McCain chooses either Lieberman or Romney to his ticket I will be voting Democratic this year. I'm also an Evangelical and neither of those two believe Jesus was the son of God. That's a deal killer for me and all my friends.

Posted by: Mark | August 25, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Biden/Obama = Father/Son - much like the current Cheney/Bush.

Posted by: zazzle | August 25, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Festinog-"Rezko’s wife sold one sixth of an undeveloped lot which adjoined Obama’s property to Obama because the Rezko’s are property developers. Selling land is what they do, which may come as a bit of a shock to you."
Why would a "land developer" sell off enough property to their neighbor to reduce their own property to a size below which their community allows one to build upon? Why did such shrewd people overpay simultaneous to Obama- who isn't a shrewd land developer- underpaying? Please answer and then I'll debunk the rest of David axelrod's dictums. Mrs. Rezko by the way is NOT a very successful "land developer":

"The UK Times reports that Barack Obama's involvement with Chicago slum landlord Tony Rezko, currently under indictment, may involve money originating from a British-Iraqi Middle East wheeler-dealer, Nadhmi Auchi, a convicted criminal.

Rezko, an Obama fundraiser, helped facilitate Obama's purchase of a $1.65 million mansion in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood for $300,000 below the asking price. The owner wished to sell both the house and an adjoining lot. Mrs. Rezko paid the full asking price of $625,000 on the same day that the Obamas purchased their luxury home. At a substantial discount. The seller denies that there was any connection between the two transactions. Later, a small portion of the land was sold to the Obamas so that they could expand their garden.

Senator Obama calls this arrangement a "mistake."

Now it develops that Mr. and Mrs. Rezko apparently lacked the money to make the purchase of the plot of land.

In a sworn statement a year later, Mrs Rezko said she got by on a salary of $37,000 and had $35,000 assets. Mr Rezko told a court he had "no income, negative cash flow, no liquid assets, no unencumbered assets [and] is significantly in arrears on many of his obligations."

Just weeks before the Hyde Park transactions, Auchi loaned $3.5 million to Rezko.

A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama's bagman Antoin "Tony" Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million."
ps
On Biden- Washington Post 10/24/07-

"In a lengthy interview with the Washington Post editorial board, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.) asserted that he is more prepared to be president than any other candidate, disputed the notion that governors are better suited for the White House than senators and warned that Pakistan is a potentially bigger threat than Iran.

Biden also stumbled through a discourse on race and education, leaving the impression that he believed one reason so many Washington D.C. schools fail is the city's high minority population."


Facts burn..Festinog, don't they?
As much as you wished you had picked the right candidate...you and Axelrod can't make it so....We already have the right Joe on our side.................................
LIEBERMAN-
who never put down hard working Indian American 7 Eleven cashiers, like experienced Joe Biden....ALSO, I dodn't believe Joe Lieberman sold ou t his constituency to MBNA and the credit card industry in return for a 1/2 million dollar job for his lobbyist son....see today's NYTimes p. A13...
Where is one Obama supporter who realizes that her or his candidate does sell out to the highest bidder- see Rezko and Illinois Farmers ...has almost no foreign poicy experience....but still will vote for him for a reason they can't quite put into words, summarized as "Change"?

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Ok my southern bretheren I will refrain from sharing my "worldly" perspectives with you if it makes you uncomfortable. And I will refrain from continuing to point out that the world is watching and the world is concerned. And I will refrain from flaunting the fact that Canadians invented basketball. It is really challenging to help indoctrinated people to see beyond their paradigms. Perhaps I don't really understand America, though having lived next to the 800 pound gorilla for 45 years I feel justified in having an opinion. I want to extend an invitation to any of you who haven't come to Canada for a visit to broaden your horizons and come on up! We really aren't so very different.

And to the young person who cannot vote and is deeply concerned about your future, well... I feel your pain, and, you are the hopeful future. Don't give up.

Good luck friends... over to Post Global now!

Posted by: Mike Robinson | August 25, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse


"It's time for Obama to sacrifice some of that high-flying rhetoric for a bread-and-butter message."

Circus hawkers don't sell bread and butter.

Posted by: Jack The Ripper | August 25, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Scott and JakeD are two of those dick suckers.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Many Republicans are closet dick suckers (Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, George W, McCain). Could a Republican please explain this?

Posted by: Leon | August 25, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Im JakeD,
and I get paid,
For my posts,
all day.

Im JakeD,
I sit in my desk,
all day,
so I can be a pest.

Im JakeD,
I report to duty,
Today and tommorow,
So I can make dwell in YOUR SORROW!!!!

Aw yeah,
Aw Yeah,
Aw Yeah!

I get paid,
not like you,
my account gets fatter,
while yours gets thinner,
cuz ur a lozer,
and cuz I'm a winner.

KEEPINITREALZ4EVAYO!

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

G Green:
Do you know joe Biden's 7 Glass houses?
1. insulted indian american 7 eleven cashiers
2. insulted wash DC african american shool children while campaigning in Iowa
3. Called obama's personal hygeiene "storybook, man"
4. Sold out to MBNA and credit card industry in return for 1/2 million dollars paid to hi LOBBYIST son
5. Left 88 race for plagiarism
6. Called Iran "no nuclear threat" to the US
7. Claimed to be proud to run "with or against" john McCain

Great Choice

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: HemiHead | August 25, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Since Mike, jon, Fairfax, Bob bob, etc don't want to address the Infant Prot. Act or Corn Ethanol, I'm going to sing as I read the WashPost blog below...."Turn out the lights, the Party's overrrrrrrrrrr..."

Ohio Gov. Bashes Press for pro-Obama Bias
By Dan Balz
Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland is the latest supporter of Hillary Clinton to accuse the media of bias in its coverage of the Democratic nomination battle.

At a dinner with Washington Post reporters and editors, Strickland called the coverage "almost shocking at times" and unfair it the treatment of both candidate Clinton and her husband, the former president.

"Quite frankly, some of the people that I had most previously admired as commentators I have a remarkably different opinion toward right now," Strickland said.

Strickland was the second big-state governor and Clinton supporter to sound off about the press at the convention. On Sunday, at a panel hosted by Harvard's Shorenstein Center, Pennsylvania Gov. Edward Rendell called coverage of Barack Obama's campaign "embarrassing"

"He is running for the most important office in the world," Rendell said. "He basically got a free pass." Rendell also described MSNBC derisively as "the official network of the Obama campaign."

Strickland was one of Clinton's strongest supporters and helped her carry the Ohio primary in March. In his critique, he did not single out any commentators by name. But he was sharply critical of the treatment Clinton got at two debates just before the Ohio primary, noting that she was repeatedly asked questions first, giving Obama the benefit of being able to shape his answer in response to hers.

He recalled that Clinton had raised the issue during the Cleveland debate. "Then she was mocked for bringing it up, referred to as whining," he said. "I think it was very legitimate."

Strickland said he was troubled by innuendo in coverage of the campaign and particularly the focus on both Hillary and Bill Clinton. "I mean she was the candidate, for God's sake, he wasn't."

He also said he has heard complaints from Clinton supporters about the failure of the Democratic National Committee "for not being more direct in calling attention" to the problem.

Posted at 3:05 PM ET on Aug 25, 2008

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama's made an excellent choice with Biden. Please vote for OBama, visit WHYOBAMA08.ORG!

Posted by: G Green | August 25, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"It's time for Obama to sacrifice some of that high-flying rhetoric for a bread-and-butter message."

What would such a message sound like? Would it be "Let's embrace the global economy of the future by dramatic investment in education, the childhood health needed to do well in school, labor protection, lifetime job training, rewarding innovation, guaranteeing a living wage for all work, and decoupling health care from private employment"?

Or would it more like "Let's have a return to the postwar world of no competition, stifling trade unions, and protectionism, while starving government of the revenues needed for health and education"?

I suspect it would be the latter. It would be Mitt Romney in Michigan, promising the wave his Rolex and make the auto industry jobs come back -- and drop taxes at the same time.

True, Americans want to hear a bread and butter message, But I fear that the message they want is simply bring back the good times -- but don't work for and invest in the future.

Sounds like magical thinking.

Posted by: Bob | August 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Mike Robinson - Canada did give us bacon, beer and hockey I guess.

The rest of your dopey 'one world', utopian, elitist views demonstrate your naivete and exactly what is wrong with Canada and the rest of Europe for that matter. You only like the US when we have to pull your bacon out of the fire and you don't support us (or only half-heartedly)with UN sanctioned enforcement (i.e. Iraq and Afghanistan). You really don't understand the US. Canada should just tighten up its immigration policies and stop letting terrorists slip into your country. And keep pumping shale oil for us.

Posted by: daman1 | August 25, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Poll numbers show an Obama bump, not as dramatic as the latest Newsweek poll suggests, but a steady increase in approval for Barack Obama, as seen in the polls provided by RCP."
-Mike
*****************

Hey Mike, Festinog asks intelligent questions, you're a dolt-

CNN 8/24 47/47

Gallup 8/23 47/47

Reuter's/Zogby last week McCain up 5%!

The best Realclearpolls show a 2-3% difference, within the margin of error....YOU know all about the margin of error don't you Mr. Punctuation

_______________________________

What are ya kidding. Do you really think those polls mean anything. Every time McCain does something to make a fool of himself the google front page is loaded down with poll numbers giving him a bump. It's all conditioning. Obama announced his VP pick at 3 in the morning and the media had poll numbers out at 5 saying Biden wasn't helping him none. Do you really think people are that stupid. It's not gonna work this year. They probably do their polls in the company lunch room. Besides, that comment in the article came out months ago. I was just pointing out how corrupt McCain is.

Posted by: Mike | August 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Mike Robinson, for your input. The problems we face may be global, but this election is a national concern. I am sorry that you are not able to participate in this election, but I respectfully direct you to other articles on this website that deal with global issues since you are eager to express your concerns. There is an entire section named "Post Global" that I believe you would enjoy very much.

Respectfully,
dcp

Posted by: dcp | August 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm still too young to vote, yet if I had the choice I would choose Obama...
A bit of enlightenment for those that are so wound up in their 'old-fashioned' thinking.

We need to change, and its sickening that most people would rather go on with exactly the same thing as we have for the last 8 years.

All I have known is war now- high prices and struggling to get by.

The no child left behind act was stupid and keeps most American children back from where I suspect we should be-

This isn't the America that was promised to me... I was told it was beautiful, fair- and free.

When will I see that? If not me, then my children?

Shall everyone be so hard headed and not think about the future? Are your old values more important than us, your future?...

Times like these I wish I could vote myself.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Redd- the war in Iraq is ending in a way that allows us to safely withdraw and maintain an influence in this impoprtant part of the world...now Russia is interested in resuming its influence over its formrt satellites...your candidtes' judgement junior and senior is flawed they both said THIS YEAR that Iran poses a tiny and no nuclear threat to the US. I don't feel safe with either of them standing up to Putin/Medvedev....give me John McCain and his demonstrated sound judgement. When he announced his support for the surge all looked bleak in Iraq- Biden voted to get in as well and Obama voted to fund the effort...an announced retreat was the wrong answer. Look the "100 years" are nearly over, thanks to the surge.

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

As a Canadian who cares deeply about what goes on in the world, I believe it is my right to freely give my opinions on socio-political (and environmental) issues, regardless of what country I live in. The quaint notion of nationalism belongs in the 2oth century. The problems we face today are global problems and we have to begin behaving and maturely communicating as a single species, not a bunch of squabbling, ethnocentric teenagers.

Believe it or not cultures evolve, and we are in the process of taking a significant step now from ethnocentric (Google it) to worldcentric. I believe Obama sees the big picture. Please check out: http://www.spiraldynamics.net/

America is a country of contradictions. The world's greatest living philosopher, Ken Wilber, comes from America. Your country is also the home to Bill O'Reilly, NASCAR, and televangelism. I appreciate a paradox as much as the next person but we out here in the rest of the world are crossing our fingers that the tide turns and a compassionate rationalism reappears in America. Canada sort of sees America as our big brother who has got himself into some trouble by hanging out with ruthless streetcorner thugs like Big Oil and the Military/Industrial complex. We just want you to get back on track and be a good example for us. Mom says come home; we forgive you...

God bless America. God bless Canada. God bless Iraq and Iran and Somalia and Venezuela and Zimbabwe and Mexico and....

It is one world, we are one species, and we share the same big problems. For our children and grandchildren's sake let us create a world that all of us can thrive in.

Thanks for reading this.
Respectfully, Mike

Posted by: Mike Robinson | August 25, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

So, in other words, everything Senator Obama espoused during the primary is out the window - according to Governor Strickland - he should do whatever it takes to win, (pick a Washington "insider" as VP, run negative ads, etc.) Then, AFTER, he's in as President he can do what he promised in the first place (real change and no politics-as-usual). Although his saying one thing and doing another IS politics-as-usual, isn't it?

Posted by: knarahs | August 25, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Obama has charisma and admirable executive talent. The problem is that his conscience is for sale. His support on the issues goes to the highest bidder which explains his fundraising success. I cannot vote for a President whose signature is on the auction block.

Posted by: dcp | August 25, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

My first choice, I am a woman, for President from the democratic candidate was Biden. I did not know anything about Barack Obama, and did not want a third term of Bill's baggage. Nothing against Hillary, just did not want Bill around for him to become a billionaire. I tried to see the weakness in Obama and was glad his choice was Biden. What good does it do if one's is in office and can not pass a bill. yes, Biden is an insider with experience and know how. I can live with his mouth,if he and Obama are in the best interest of the American People as a whole and not just a few. The mountain may be steeper than for any other candidate, but strategist should know enough about the pickings that a win can be orchestra for Obama and Biden. Yes, the course is uncharter but so what let's learn something new. Obama has shown, with Biden, that he can reach outside of himself for the better good of the Democratic party and this country. Hillary has been focus on her special interest and herself. I have always believed that Hillary's numbers may have soft spots and not dependible. We are voting for the our future existence. war is not the answer.

Posted by: Redd | August 25, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Mike aren't you Mr. Punctuation...I guess you're not Mr. Grammar!

"they purchased a $4.7-million condo in Phoenix." I'm assuming that means his name is on the title and deed."

Why wouldn't BOTH their names be on the lease if THEY purchased the condo?

If he makes a buck a year and she makes millions, there's no discrepancy...any answer on corn base ethanol or the infant protection act? How's that 47/47 bounce going?

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Poll numbers show an Obama bump, not as dramatic as the latest Newsweek poll suggests, but a steady increase in approval for Barack Obama, as seen in the polls provided by RCP."
-Mike
*****************

Hey Mike, Festinog asks intelligent questions, you're a dolt-

CNN 8/24 47/47

Gallup 8/23 47/47

Reuter's/Zogby last week McCain up 5%!

The best Realclearpolls show a 2-3% difference, within the margin of error....YOU know all about the margin of error don't you Mr. Punctuation?

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Festinog-"Rezko’s wife sold one sixth of an undeveloped lot which adjoined Obama’s property to Obama because the Rezko’s are property developers. Selling land is what they do, which may come as a bit of a shock to you."
Why would a "land developer" sell off enough property to their neighbor to reduce their own property to a size below which their community allows one to build upon? Why did such shrewd people overpay simultaneous to Obama- who isn't a shrewd land developer- underpaying? Please answer and then I'll debunk the rest of David axelrod's dictums. Mrs. Rezko by the way is NOT a very successful "land developer":

"The UK Times reports that Barack Obama's involvement with Chicago slum landlord Tony Rezko, currently under indictment, may involve money originating from a British-Iraqi Middle East wheeler-dealer, Nadhmi Auchi, a convicted criminal.

Rezko, an Obama fundraiser, helped facilitate Obama's purchase of a $1.65 million mansion in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood for $300,000 below the asking price. The owner wished to sell both the house and an adjoining lot. Mrs. Rezko paid the full asking price of $625,000 on the same day that the Obamas purchased their luxury home. At a substantial discount. The seller denies that there was any connection between the two transactions. Later, a small portion of the land was sold to the Obamas so that they could expand their garden.

Senator Obama calls this arrangement a "mistake."

Now it develops that Mr. and Mrs. Rezko apparently lacked the money to make the purchase of the plot of land.

In a sworn statement a year later, Mrs Rezko said she got by on a salary of $37,000 and had $35,000 assets. Mr Rezko told a court he had "no income, negative cash flow, no liquid assets, no unencumbered assets [and] is significantly in arrears on many of his obligations."

Just weeks before the Hyde Park transactions, Auchi loaned $3.5 million to Rezko.

A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama's bagman Antoin "Tony" Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million."
ps
On Biden- Washington Post 10/24/07-

"In a lengthy interview with the Washington Post editorial board, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.) asserted that he is more prepared to be president than any other candidate, disputed the notion that governors are better suited for the White House than senators and warned that Pakistan is a potentially bigger threat than Iran.

Biden also stumbled through a discourse on race and education, leaving the impression that he believed one reason so many Washington D.C. schools fail is the city's high minority population."


Facts burn..Festinog, don't they?
As much as you wished you had picked the right candidate...you and Axelrod can't make it so....We already have the right Joe on our side.................................
LIEBERMAN-
who never put down hard working Indian American 7 Eleven cashiers, like experienced Joe Biden....ALSO, I dodn't believe Joe Lieberman sold ou t his constituency to MBNA and the credit card industry in return for a 1/2 million dollar job for his lobbyist son....see today's NYTimes p. A13....

_____________________________________

Straight talk" isn't just telling the part of the story you like.

A story from April in the LA Times offers a summary of McCain's 2007 federal tax returns. It's an interesting read. A cursory examination of this thin paper trail provided some tantalizing leads. Following them gives surprising results.

First, here are the 2007 tax return numbers taken from the LA Times article. For simplicity, I am rounding the numbers:

Item Amount
Senate Salary $162,000
Book Royalties $177,000
Navy Pension $58,000
Interest $50
Dividends $75
Cindy's Salary $215,000(*)
Fed. Income Tax -$117,000
Alt. Min. Tax -$5,400
Personal Staff (4) -$136,500(*)
Staff FICA/FUTA -$34,000
Charity -$106,000
Alimony -$18,000


* half reported on his returns, half reported on Cindy McCain's returns.

When you net everything out, there is about $59,000 left over for beers and burgers. Apparently my estimate isn't too far off, the article stated:

Asked whether his wife was supporting him, McCain's campaign staff offered a separate income calculation for 2007 showing that the senator's surplus income after expenses amounted to about $64,000 and suggested that he was providing for himself.
"Providing for himself" is an interesting way of putting it. You have to wonder how a guy who reported only $50 in investment interest and $75 in dividends can afford to

own four homes across the nation and employ a staff of at least four that in 2007 cost about $273,000, half of which was listed on the senator's tax return. McCain and his wife's properties, all held mortgage-free, include their creek-side ranch outside Sedona, Ariz. In 2006, they purchased a $4.7-million condo in Phoenix; and in 2004, she bought a $2.6-million beachfront property near the Hotel del Coronado in San Diego County, according to property records.
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that two of the properties were hers to begin with. Let's also accept the beachfront property is paid for by her as well. That still leaves the condo in Phoenix. The article specifically says "they purchased a $4.7-million condo in Phoenix." I'm assuming that means his name is on the title and deed. Since they bought it outright, I am impressed McCain scrimped together $2.3 million on his meager earnings. It must have taken him at least 40 years of saving all his surplus income to do that -- especially after donating more than $100,000 to charity. What a saint.

Posted by: Mike | August 25, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Chevy's facebook profile says he is an inbred from the hills of WV and was a result of a botched abortion.

Posted by: Ryan | August 25, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

duhhhh..............

Posted by: BCO | August 25, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

«I'm outta here.»

Thank you very much!

Posted by: Abolhassan Bani Sadr | August 25, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I'ma da JakeD . .
I'ma da JakeD . .
I'ma da JakeD . .
JakeD, JakeD, JakeD . .

Aww yeah,
Aw yeah,
Aww yeah, yeah, yeah. . .

You fear me,
You clearly,
Cant stand me,

Ima like-a mole,
Who'se on parole,
But I aint selling ma soul,

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

obviously, I agree with Obama on stem cell research as well

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"Given that you claim to be pro-choice, are you comfortable with that result?

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 25, 2008 3:14 PM"
*********

I'm glad you're back....given the 100 or so issues the two differ on, you've hit on the one I have the greatest problem with.
I am pro choice, and I have 3 daughters.
McCain and I agree on stem cell research and the Infant protection act....Obama and I agree on a woma's right to an abortion, period. I can find no other issues that I side with Obama on....my only hgope for a perfect situation is that McCain will choose fair judges who will keep the satus quo on abortion...like Sandra Day O'conner
for example...I know Roe v wade is in jeopardy, BUT I feel our entire healthcare system is in jeopardy with civil servants determining who is of acceptable age for chemotherapy...as in England, with their National Health Service...I also can't support a man who rales against global watrming as he pushes his constituents' inefficient (by 8x) corn based ethanol over sugar cane ethanol...it's just dishonest, like the Rzko debacle...I honestly feel he's a very slick salesman and an empty suit. Honestly


Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The McLame Duck

"Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father."
- John WTF McCain, comedian and humanist Elephant Dung

Republicans Assess McCain

"The irony is, the only people McCain can count on to vote for him are the very Republicans he despises — at least those of us who can get drunk enough on Election Day to pull the lever for him." - Ann Coulter

"The thought of [McCain] being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me." - Senator Thad Cochran who has known McCain for 35 years

"Senator McCain is noted for three major pieces of legislation. I think all of them were badly flawed [and] evidence a lack of understanding of our economy, the very lack of understanding which Senator McCain has admitted on numerous occasions." - Mitt Romney, potential running mate

"I’d rather slit a vein than vote for John McCain." - unnamed woman at GOP event

Posted by: Mike | August 25, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Im Feeling like a

black republican

nah i cant call it

more like a black democrat

runnin them out of office

young Barack Obama im all for it

the rock of Gibraltar is now fallin on ya

i protect my land like a farmer

pockets stay chubby like toccara

or should i say fat like the parkers

tote big guns like im still playin contra

ya'll washed up like money thats laundered

yall funny im bonkers honest

girl strapped to my dick like a harness

rockstar flyer then an ostrich

and i cover east,west,north,south like a compass

i shall shine forever never tarnish

money buried behind my house like a garden

all green my bank accounts like a forest

i cant feel my face is gettin started and weezy is my accomplice (yea) a black activist like sonny carson

stripes of a sargent salute me

and chicks i get'em high higher then turbulences

white Phantom lookin so fergalicious

im from the city of big drugs and murder victims

its get rich go to jail or be a murder victim (AY!)

now all yall listen if you cant take the heat get out the kitchen

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Festinog-"Rezko’s wife sold one sixth of an undeveloped lot which adjoined Obama’s property to Obama because the Rezko’s are property developers. Selling land is what they do, which may come as a bit of a shock to you."
Why would a "land developer" sell off enough property to their neighbor to reduce their own property to a size below which their community allows one to build upon? Why did such shrewd people overpay simultaneous to Obama- who isn't a shrewd land developer- underpaying? Please answer and then I'll debunk the rest of David axelrod's dictums. Mrs. Rezko by the way is NOT a very successful "land developer":

"The UK Times reports that Barack Obama's involvement with Chicago slum landlord Tony Rezko, currently under indictment, may involve money originating from a British-Iraqi Middle East wheeler-dealer, Nadhmi Auchi, a convicted criminal.

Rezko, an Obama fundraiser, helped facilitate Obama's purchase of a $1.65 million mansion in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood for $300,000 below the asking price. The owner wished to sell both the house and an adjoining lot. Mrs. Rezko paid the full asking price of $625,000 on the same day that the Obamas purchased their luxury home. At a substantial discount. The seller denies that there was any connection between the two transactions. Later, a small portion of the land was sold to the Obamas so that they could expand their garden.

Senator Obama calls this arrangement a "mistake."

Now it develops that Mr. and Mrs. Rezko apparently lacked the money to make the purchase of the plot of land.

In a sworn statement a year later, Mrs Rezko said she got by on a salary of $37,000 and had $35,000 assets. Mr Rezko told a court he had "no income, negative cash flow, no liquid assets, no unencumbered assets [and] is significantly in arrears on many of his obligations."

Just weeks before the Hyde Park transactions, Auchi loaned $3.5 million to Rezko.

A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama's bagman Antoin "Tony" Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million."
ps
On Biden- Washington Post 10/24/07-

"In a lengthy interview with the Washington Post editorial board, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.) asserted that he is more prepared to be president than any other candidate, disputed the notion that governors are better suited for the White House than senators and warned that Pakistan is a potentially bigger threat than Iran.

Biden also stumbled through a discourse on race and education, leaving the impression that he believed one reason so many Washington D.C. schools fail is the city's high minority population."


Facts burn..Festinog, don't they?
As much as you wished you had picked the right candidate...you and Axelrod can't make it so....We already have the right Joe on our side.................................
LIEBERMAN-
who never put down hard working Indian American 7 Eleven cashiers, like experienced Joe Biden....ALSO, I dodn't believe Joe Lieberman sold ou t his constituency to MBNA and the credit card industry in return for a 1/2 million dollar job for his lobbyist son....see today's NYTimes p. A13....

_____________________________________

John McCain’s campaign is in dire straits, never mind the serious campaigning has just started. He has lost numerous advisors, two pastors and a campaign strategist, who wouldn’t take part in the upcoming campaign against Obama. Poll numbers show an Obama bump, not as dramatic as the latest Newsweek poll suggests, but a steady increase in approval for Barack Obama, as seen in the polls provided by RCP.

Admittedly short of knowledge when it comes to economics McCain turned to Phil Gramm the former Texas Senator. Gramm is the kind of economist Republicans profess to love most, budget balancing and anti government-spending and supply-side oriented. But Gramm is vice chairman of and a lobbyist for the Zurich based UBS (United Bank of Switzerland), too. The UBS is a major casualty of the subprime mortgage crisis and Gramm has lobbied on behalf of the bank to avoid stronger regulation and federal action in the mortgage crisis.

There is more. In Florida UBS banker Bradley Birkenfeld has been arrested on allegations of having helped UBS customers in the US committing tax fraud, by funnelling money into Liechtstein. Initially refusing to cooperate, Birkenfeld caved in last week and pleaded guilty. The US asks the UBS to release bank details of 20′000 US customers. This has led to a sense of panic not only within the bank and among America’s rich, but in Switzerland, too, which sees its famed banking secrecy in jeopardy and sent a delegation of government officials to the US. To no avail. Now FBI agents will “assist” Swiss authorities in their research into the alleged tax fraud.

Posted by: Mike | August 25, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama is trying to bring about change but knows that old politics will not allow civility and respect. A leader knows when to lay back and when to strike at the right time. McCain campaign is just a rumor mill of twisted words, it fails to put forward an effective plan to solve the current problems within our economy which is by far more pressing (and would be more impressive)than using underhand tactics to win an election.

I am not saying that these candidates are the answer but chosing the correct representitive will move us in the right direction both at home and internationally. We keep talking about experience but what I have seen in this administration are experienced, status quo participants that have nothing new to bring to board - it's time to shake up and bring a new perspective to old Washington.

Posted by: realitycheck | August 25, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"The issues!

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 25, 2008 3:06 PM"

Please regale me on these 2:

Infant Protection Act
Corn Based vs sugar Cane Based Ethanol

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Scott - you seem to like demanding answer. How about providing one?

If McCain wins, Roe v Wade will be overturned. It's a certainty. If Obama wins, nothing changes. Thomas, Scalia, Alito and Roberts form a solid block of 4. Any retirement or death results in an appointee who will vote to oveturn (stare decisis be ). Given that you claim to be pro-choice, are you comfortable with that result?

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 25, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tony- Joe Biden voted along with John McCain to go to Iraq and Obama voted to fund the proceedings once he entered the Senate....BUT, McCain championed the strategy that's getting us out of there by dramatically reducing the violence by killing the enemy and allowing the Iraqis to raise and train enough troops to take care of themselves...not to announce a date for retreat, as obama proposed.....BRILLIANT!
See "Baby Alex" thanks to John McCain, your mother can now confidently vote for John mcCain....wow, those were a quick 100 years!

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Rezko, Keating 5, Rev Wright, Rev Hagee, etc, etc, etc....

Everyone's heard it and have made their opinions. At the end of the day, we must remind ourselves to get to the issues involving:

A) What McCain (himself) has done and..

B) What Obama (himself) has done and..

On The Issues

Only one of them (in brief) is More Likely to bring more neglect on issues that affects a broader range of people, moreso than the other one. Period. Everybody knows it.

Both of them have quite some Status. Only one is on the right side with that given status.

Without the lettuce, tomatoes, onions, (candy-coating) we must be reminded of the Meat people.

The issues!

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Y'all better STFU, ALL OF YOU'S. . . BECUZ . . . I am THE JakeD, HEAR MY ROOOAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Festinog-"Rezko’s wife sold one sixth of an undeveloped lot which adjoined Obama’s property to Obama because the Rezko’s are property developers. Selling land is what they do, which may come as a bit of a shock to you."
Why would a "land developer" sell off enough property to their neighbor to reduce their own property to a size below which their community allows one to build upon? Why did such shrewd people overpay simultaneous to Obama- who isn't a shrewd land developer- underpaying? Please answer and then I'll debunk the rest of David axelrod's dictums. Mrs. Rezko by the way is NOT a very successful "land developer":

"The UK Times reports that Barack Obama's involvement with Chicago slum landlord Tony Rezko, currently under indictment, may involve money originating from a British-Iraqi Middle East wheeler-dealer, Nadhmi Auchi, a convicted criminal.

Rezko, an Obama fundraiser, helped facilitate Obama's purchase of a $1.65 million mansion in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood for $300,000 below the asking price. The owner wished to sell both the house and an adjoining lot. Mrs. Rezko paid the full asking price of $625,000 on the same day that the Obamas purchased their luxury home. At a substantial discount. The seller denies that there was any connection between the two transactions. Later, a small portion of the land was sold to the Obamas so that they could expand their garden.

Senator Obama calls this arrangement a "mistake."

Now it develops that Mr. and Mrs. Rezko apparently lacked the money to make the purchase of the plot of land.

In a sworn statement a year later, Mrs Rezko said she got by on a salary of $37,000 and had $35,000 assets. Mr Rezko told a court he had "no income, negative cash flow, no liquid assets, no unencumbered assets [and] is significantly in arrears on many of his obligations."

Just weeks before the Hyde Park transactions, Auchi loaned $3.5 million to Rezko.

A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama's bagman Antoin "Tony" Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million."
ps
On Biden- Washington Post 10/24/07-

"In a lengthy interview with the Washington Post editorial board, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.) asserted that he is more prepared to be president than any other candidate, disputed the notion that governors are better suited for the White House than senators and warned that Pakistan is a potentially bigger threat than Iran.

Biden also stumbled through a discourse on race and education, leaving the impression that he believed one reason so many Washington D.C. schools fail is the city's high minority population."


Facts burn..Festinog, don't they?
As much as you wished you had picked the right candidate...you and Axelrod can't make it so....We already have the right Joe on our side.................................
LIEBERMAN-
who never put down hard working Indian American 7 Eleven cashiers, like experienced Joe Biden....ALSO, I dodn't believe Joe Lieberman sold ou t his constituency to MBNA and the credit card industry in return for a 1/2 million dollar job for his lobbyist son....see today's NYTimes p. A13....

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey GOP cheerleaders, are happy with the Iraq WAR(over 800 billion dollars) are happy with the Economy,Free Market(free to rob us), the subrime mess, that the works of the neoconservative economic model, that what Mccain is proposing to us.
well I'm not happy with it, I'm taking my chance with Obama.

Posted by: Tony | August 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing that anyone could say or do to persuade me that the Republicans deserve to remain in the White House for 4 more years. It is long overdue that they be put in "time out" to think about the mess that they have created in the United States and the many, many young men and women who have violently died because of a war in Iraq instigated by intentionally false intelligence designed to hoodwink the American people.

I am not so much concerned about who beats them as I am that they are in the end defeated.

For Clinton Supporters out there, who remain loyal to the party, despite that terrible primary season, from one Democrat family to another, together, we will wrestle this country away from the GOP and back into the hands of the American People. For the betterment of working class Americans, both Democratic AND Conservative.

The Clinton's will be a part of American politics for years and years to come. We have much, much, rebuilding to do on the domestic and international front that only begins when we retake the White House and retain our majority in Congress.

We need for the next president to release a percentage of the 700 million barrels of U.S. emergency oil reserves to give Americans' immediate relief on high gas prices. While, if we choose, allow for drilling that "may" provide opportunities, 10, 20 years from now.

I don't want change for the sake of change, but substantive change that will fundamentally be DIFFERENT from the way George W. Bush has run this country for the last 8 years.

Posted by: Ward6ForNow | August 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I've been fighting for Obama for months and then I read about this proposition 4 that aims to turn Alaska's pristine land, fisheries, and drinking water into a toxic swamp. He must be out of his friggin mind. I thought Obama was better than this. It's not enough to make me vote for McCain but this is depressing.

"Barack Obama and Fairbanks, Alaska Mayor Jim Whitaker have one thing in common: they oppose Proposition 4 which would ban large metal mines from discharging large amounts of toxic chemicals into salmon streams and drinking water supplies."

Posted by: HemiHead | August 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse


"Scott and Chevy:
Get a room! You two just really want to lip lock, don't you? All that steamy pseudo-intellectual machismo is thinly covering your homo-erotic tendencies. Your party, the "wide stance" GOP as opposed to the big-tent, is good at dictating life for all but themselves. Were you shunned at freeperville? If so, perhaps because you spell words and use complete sentences your comrades were suspicious that you were a lefty, actually teaching college instead of trying to shoot it up. Motel 6, they've left a light on for you..."

Posted by: md83 | August
*************

Hey MD, I didn't get one intelligent word out of you...is 83 your age or your IQ score? I suppose you agree with allowing botched abortions to die on the operating table...BRILLIANT!

"Seems the people here who are actually interested in informed debate are rapidly being out-numbered by the idiot masses.

I'm outta here."

Posted by: festinog | August 25, 2008 2:32 PM
***********

Please do enlighten me with an answer before you scurry off.

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse


Obama conned his way to the nomination by being the pied piper to the gullible young. Based upon his promises and his "new way" they packed the caucuses in states with weak Democratic parties and bullied to get the delegates.

These same thugs are still hitting the websites making vicious assaults on Hillary and Bill. And Obama thinks Hillary supporters should just roll over for these thugs that he leads?

Watch Obama flip flop his way to November. His only goal is to win no matter how. What you want to hear, he'll say it. If a bigger group does not like that he'll reverse himself.

And to top it off Obama derided experience all thru the campaign and now he claims he picked Biden because of his vast experience.

The gullible kiddy corps and Obamanuts will swallow whatever BS Obama puts out, but the rest of us who supported a qualified candidate will elect veto proof Democratic majorities to Congress to keep President McCain in line.

Posted by: William | August 25, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Are Canadiens allowed to vote here? Who let them in this debate. They wouldn't qualify as our 10th largest state. I know it's tough having to live in an irrelevant third rate country with not much going for it.

Obama is indeed in support of extreme infanticide and baby killing and you will definitely hear about it more after the conventions. He was completely shocked that he was asked about it at Saddleback. He was evasive and McCain was direct and clearly won that debate. I think Obama's handlers are not quite so confident that will cleanup on 'doddering old John McCain at the head

---------------0-------------

McCain knew all the questions ahead of time. Did you ever hear him speak at one of his Town Hall meetings. The whole thing was rigged. The people at saddleback said McCain was sucking up big time. I'd bet my life that McCain knows all the questions ahead of time when he does those upcoming debates with Obama. I've seen McCain debating the republicans in the primary and he came off like a moron. If it wasn't for his campaign people he wouldn't have a clue. And why don't shut your big mouth with the baby killing. Do you really think McCain will fix the world. Even if he was elected he'd never get the law passed to stop it. Take your fight to the people that are doing it and stop blaming everyone else.

Posted by: HemiHead | August 25, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"Meanwhile, front page news in the WSJ is that our house prices go down and all but the top 0.1 percent of America that Bush and McCain represent are getting poorer day by day.

Time to just say NO! to Republicants and their Spend Borrow Spend Borrow ways."

Exactly!

Posted by: lol | August 25, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Festinog-"Rezko’s wife sold one sixth of an undeveloped lot which adjoined Obama’s property to Obama because the Rezko’s are property developers. Selling land is what they do, which may come as a bit of a shock to you."
Why would a "land developer" sell off enough property to their neighbor to reduce their own property to a size below which their community allows one to build upon? Why did such shrewd people overpay simultaneous to Obama- who isn't a shrewd land developer- underpaying? Please answer and then I'll debunk the rest of David axelrod's dictums. Mrs. Rezko by the way is NOT a very successful "land developer":

"The UK Times reports that Barack Obama's involvement with Chicago slum landlord Tony Rezko, currently under indictment, may involve money originating from a British-Iraqi Middle East wheeler-dealer, Nadhmi Auchi, a convicted criminal.

Rezko, an Obama fundraiser, helped facilitate Obama's purchase of a $1.65 million mansion in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood for $300,000 below the asking price. The owner wished to sell both the house and an adjoining lot. Mrs. Rezko paid the full asking price of $625,000 on the same day that the Obamas purchased their luxury home. At a substantial discount. The seller denies that there was any connection between the two transactions. Later, a small portion of the land was sold to the Obamas so that they could expand their garden.

Senator Obama calls this arrangement a "mistake."

Now it develops that Mr. and Mrs. Rezko apparently lacked the money to make the purchase of the plot of land.

In a sworn statement a year later, Mrs Rezko said she got by on a salary of $37,000 and had $35,000 assets. Mr Rezko told a court he had "no income, negative cash flow, no liquid assets, no unencumbered assets [and] is significantly in arrears on many of his obligations."

Just weeks before the Hyde Park transactions, Auchi loaned $3.5 million to Rezko.

A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama's bagman Antoin "Tony" Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million."
ps
On Biden- Washington Post 10/24/07-

"In a lengthy interview with the Washington Post editorial board, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.) asserted that he is more prepared to be president than any other candidate, disputed the notion that governors are better suited for the White House than senators and warned that Pakistan is a potentially bigger threat than Iran.

Biden also stumbled through a discourse on race and education, leaving the impression that he believed one reason so many Washington D.C. schools fail is the city's high minority population."


Facts burn..Festinog, don't they?
As much as you wished you had picked the right candidate...you and Axelrod can't make it so....We already have the right Joe on our side.................................
LIEBERMAN

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Liberals just don't understand that the vast majority of the voting population in this country are conservative.
Posted by: viejo1 | August 25, 2008 2:33 PM
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As quoted by Rushannity coultergeist fox. 80% TODAY think the country is headed in the wrong direction. That is, under the policies and governance of prez 29%. The gop brand is broken for one, maybe two election cycles.

Posted by: md83 | August 25, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Scott and Chevy:
Get a room! You two just really want to lip lock, don't you? All that steamy pseudo-intellectual machismo is thinly covering your homo-erotic tendencies. Your party, the "wide stance" GOP as opposed to the big-tent, is good at dictating life for all but themselves. Were you shunned at freeperville? If so, perhaps because you spell words and use complete sentences your comrades were suspicious that you were a lefty, actually teaching college instead of trying to shoot it up. Motel 6, they've left a light on for you...

Posted by: md83 | August 25, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Fritz Mondale had a better chance than Obama does.
Liberals just don't understand that the vast majority of the voting population in this country are conservative.
Even after the coming McCain landslide, they just won't get it through the pudding-like consistency of their brains.

Posted by: viejo1 | August 25, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Seems the people here who are actually interested in informed debate are rapidly being out-numbered by the idiot masses.

I'm outta here.

Posted by: festinog | August 25, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Chevy? McCain is pro-choice too.

Posted by: puh-lease | August 25, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Scott - if you had bothered making your points without shouting, a derisive reminder of netiquette would not have been necessary.

As a matter of fact, I support ending tariffs and quotas on sugar imports. It is deceitful, however, to claim that this wouldn't dramatically affect the U.S. sugar industry. Were sugar allowed in only for ethanol production, there would be cross-selling as the imported sugar would be cheaper than the stuff reserved for the kitchen table. Sugar smuggling would happen de facto. The whole sugar quota system should be dismantled with sunset payments as needed.

The born alive law and various laws of its ilk are an attempt to use extraordinarily rare circumstances to undercut Roe. Exactly how many late term, viable infants in Illinois have been allowed to die? Third term abortions generally involve significant birth defects and/or risk to the pregnant woman. Obama's opposition was a miscalculation, based on the rider to the bill. But hey, it's about time we had a real debate on abortion. Not one where the Republican candidate panders to the pro-life movement, certain in the fact that pro-choice Republicans have little cause to worry.

If McCain wins, Roe v Wade will be overturned. It's a certainty. If Obama wins, nothing changes. Thomas, Scalia, Alito and Roberts form a solid block of 4. Any retirement or death results in an appointee who will vote to oveturn (stare decisis be ). Given that you claim to be pro-choice, are you comfortable with that result.

See? It is possible to make your case without SHOUTING.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Where do you people who say Obama is not a citizen of the U.S. get this misinformation and why do you think it is okay to keep repeating it? He was born in the United States to a woman who was a U.S. citizen. Do you think if you repeat the lie enough times it will become true????

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

he has 4 days to transform himself from a nepophyte into a leader?

Does not anyone else see the complete insanity of this??

Posted by: Katy in NYC | August 25, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Leave the Canadians alone.

The US and Canada shares the largest peaceful border in the world.

Everyday we should give thanks the the good people of Canada are our friends.

For too long we have taken them for granted.

Thank You Canada for being a good friend of the US.

Americans are so clueless that they cannot even name the Prime Minister of Canada, while the good people of Canada follow our politics like it is their own.

Posted by: bobnsri | August 25, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"He has four days to transform himself from political neophyte to effective party leader." - Dan Balz

And if he can fake it, as well as he faked his persona during the primaries, he has it made. Once he makes it through the election, his term and re-election are virtually guaranteed.

What can the people do? they can't recall a president.

What can the Congress do? When they couldn't impeach George Bush, they can't impeach anybody. They might as well take the impeachment provision off the constitution. It is outmoded and cumbersome.

Good luck. The people get the president they deserve.

Posted by: Krishna | August 25, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

According to the National Institutes of Health, 23% of men, ages 73-77 (McCain's age if he serves 4-years) will develop dementia.

McCain is trigger happy now.....just imagine.......

Posted by: bobnsri | August 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is in FACT invested with T. Boone Picken in wind power

This is why the DEMS do not want to drill and insist on keeping OIL prices high.

What dirtbags

VOTE GOP. Do what's right for Americans!

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Here's How Sick NObama is.

If a baby was born alive during a botched abortion they would just let the baby lay there until it starved to death.

FACT Obama while in the Ill. state legistature stopped a bill coming to the floor that would allow the baby to live once it came out of the womb.

When Obama left that same bill came back to the floor and Illinois passed it by a unanimous vote. This bill is identical to the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which passed the U.S. Senate in 2002

You DEMS going to tell me NObama isn't a sick individual?

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Are Canadiens allowed to vote here? Who let them in this debate. They wouldn't qualify as our 10th largest state. I know it's tough having to live in an irrelevant third rate country with not much going for it.

Obama is indeed in support of extreme infanticide and baby killing and you will definitely hear about it more after the conventions. He was completely shocked that he was asked about it at Saddleback. He was evasive and McCain was direct and clearly won that debate. I think Obama's handlers are not quite so confident that will cleanup on 'doddering old John McCain at the head to head debates. I like McCain's chances.

Posted by: daman1 | August 25, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Picture it, DEM Convention 2008.

Michelle Shiniqua Obama speaking from the pulpit.

Hair flooded with Afro Sheen,

Her prominent nostrils flared wide open.

Brow furrowed, and a scowl of hate written across her face.

"Fist Pumping" the air in an absolute rage".

All the while ranting against "Whiety" and how they keep raising the bar!

The congregation is worked into a frenzy "SCREAMING"

You Go Girl" Bring it Home Sister Obama, etc.

This, my friends is what we will see in October when they release her "whitey-gate" tapes on YouTube.

Chevy - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Jake - if we're considering executive experience, then one only need consider how the candidate managed a $100M+ enterprise. Also known as a presidential campaign. McCain's blew through money, spent excessive amounts on consultants, and effectively collapsed, shedding staff as it went. He was lucky that he faced such a weak field.

Obama spent money on the ground game, overtaking a heavily favored opponent, conserved resources for a stretch run, and closed it out. Disciplined, coordinated, and playing for the long run. Something you don't realize is that Obama's not running for the polls now. Reagan/Carter was close until near the end. In virtually every state to be contested, Obama has many more offices than McCain.

Which one would YOU want for a White House?

BB

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All those poll numbers don't mean a thing. Every time McCain screws up his poll numbers go up. This is all media conditioning. Obama announced his VP pick at 3 in the morning and the press had poll numbers out two hours later saying Biden's not helping Obama with voters. I don't think the American people are gonna fall for this scam again.

Posted by: HemiHead | August 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Scott, your constant pleading for answers and enlightenment has awoken in me feelings of sympathy and charity. Clearly your connection to the internet is somewhat limited as the answers to all your questions are easy to find. But as you seem to be having trouble figuring out how to “use the goggle” as our cheeky little President would say, allow me to help:

As far as the whole abortion debate is concerned, please go here:

UCHIhttp://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/03/25/when-obama-voted-no

It’s all pretty complicated, but suffice to say anyone who would use this as a talking point to win cheap political points must only be considered the lowest form of scum. I’m sure you haven’t had the opportunity to fully educate yourself on this topic, so needless to say I would never accuse you of this.

Nadhmi Auchi is one of the richest men in the world. Born in Iraq he is described as a political enemy of Saddam Hussein, and indeed, his brother was killed by Saddam. Auchi went on to become a very successful property developer. He’s had some run-in’s with the law; in France he was convicted for fraud and received a 15 month suspended sentence in 2003. However since then he has been honoured by His Holiness John Paul II, and Queen Elizabeth II of England in 2004, by the Brazilian Government in 2005, and by the President of the American University in Cairo in 2007; to name but a few. He owns property in Chicago and in one visit to the city a dinner was held in his honor; no big surprise given the mans fame. Barrack Obama attended the event, but unfortunately never got a chance to meet the man himself.

Rezko’s wife sold one sixth of an undeveloped lot which adjoined Obama’s property to Obama because the Rezko’s are property developers. Selling land is what they do, which may come as a bit of a shock to you. Obama offered to pay a prize based on proportionality; the piece he wanted was 1/6 of the property so he offered to pay 1/6 of the total cost they had paid for the entire lot. This offer was accepted. I might be wrong, but people buy land from neighbors all the time and to the best of my knowledge it is not illegal…

Why did MBNA emply his son? Because he’s a lawyer and by all accounts a bloody good one. You’ve read the NYT article, it’s all there.

You’re simply wrong in your allegation that he blamed black children for schools bad performance. He was referring to how in Washington DC many more of it’s students come from economically deprived groups which effects their performance in school. And yes, many of those children are black. In the context of the debate, Biden was highlighting a problem with a hope of addressing it. Especially in light of Bush and the Republicans failure to do so over the course of the last 8 years. And I’d say that picking Biden as a running-mate based on this interest in improving the welfare of underprivileged children was a pretty commendable move by Senator Obama. Wouldn’t you agree?

Posted by: festinog | August 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Years ago while serving in the US Peace Corps in Asia, I ran into several Canadians, none of which had anything good to say about Americans. Not ever being called on to save the world, provide billions in relief to starving masses, and having to face the indigity of living next to a powerful America, I undersand the average Canadian's disdain and envy for American power and accomplishmemts. Had the US been Russia on the Canadian border, guess what language Canadians would be speaking now? As for the Obama fan who believes Obama's lack luster performance is the result of the right wing attack machine, please keep believing that so you have something to hold on to if Obama loses. Obama is not doing that well against McCain because he is an empty vessel. I almost hope he is elected, as Hillary does, because he will last one term a la Jimmy Carter. If Obama really had something going for him, he would rise up above "criticism" and triumph. The fact he isn't means he ain't got much - not even with Biden.

Posted by: Jeff in Orlando | August 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: maggieb | August 25, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"Barack Obama and What It Takes"

What it takes?
To be something which Dan Balz would like?

Perhaps something a little bit more . . . er, shall we say, . . . er, . . . Balzy?

Posted by: wardropper | August 25, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

NObama has once again spit in the face of the Black race for the white lunatic fringe vote.

NObama mocks the only Black on the Supreme Court.

The Black race has shown time after time to be very supportive of Clarence Thomas's appointment to the Supreme Court.

NObama continues to play with fire to appease the white liberal establishment and hucks a luggi at a Black Justice.

Have you no shame NObama?

What kind of Man are you to spit on your own race for the "whitey" vote?

In my book Thomas is a hero seeing all the crap he had to deal with and now you sticking the knive in the back of a brother.

Maybe you can lookup another backstabber for VP.....Anita Hill.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Michael, I'm not sure what the deal is with Scott but he seems to have a lot more problems than knowing how to spell and a sticky shift key.

He's got a bit of the Rainman in him regarding his comments: "WHO IS NADHMI AUCHI?", "WHY WOULD REZKO'S WIFE SELL 1/6TH OF HER PROPERTY TO OBAMA?", "Twelve minutes to Wapner..."

I'm just wondering if all his anger will lead to some coronary event before the election. It'd be a shame for someone so articulate and well-informed to miss his opportunity to vote due to a stroke or heart attack.

Posted by: Eric | August 25, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The article doesn't mention the influence of Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney, who will pull votes from Obama. Some polls suggest 6%, nationally.

In a close race, how can the MSM be ignoring this fact? Do they have to wait until it HAPPENS and then say "Omigod, we never saw THAT coming!"

IF IT'S TRUE they don't see it, they are even worse journalists than I imagined. However, it's more likely that the real deal is that they are prohibited by management from covering the 3rd party campaigns.

How else can you explain this? There is a faction growing that very well may determine the outcome of the election and the press IGNORES IT???

-Wexler

Posted by: WWWexler | August 25, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

We would all do well to take c close look at the comments here and evaluate the quality of thought going into the various efforts to persuade us to vote a particular way--or NOT vote a particular way.

Posted by: Joel | August 25, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"They keep raising the bar" Michelle Obama They = Whitey

Michelle explain your racist remark tonight while you rage against whitey as you have in the past.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

mcrchp-
I can cite right wing sites that say Obama lies more, big deal...what's important is our agreement with what we know our candidates believe...tackle Obama on the infant protection act and corn based ethanol for me, then I'll go....

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Nobama - Why didn't you bother to see American wounded troops in Germany who are doing what America asked of them?

You were over there Obama.

You didn't have time to see our wounded and dying men in uniform fighting for the country you want to be president of?

You really are one sick SOB. The lowest of the lows

Make no mistake, in my book you're a maggot.

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News -

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

BB:

My answer is John Sidney McCain III -- I am not saying that Presidents MUST HAVE "executive" experience -- I was simply correcting "bodo" on the facts about Clinton and Kennedy's experience.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Why isn’t the Washington post demanding he clarify his racist remark?

Chevy – Educated Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 1:57 PM
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Because the Post trusts its readers to be more educated than educated rednecks. No truth=no story=no redneck rage to feed on.

Posted by: md83 | August 25, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

WHO GLUED SCOTT'S CAPS LOCK KEY ON? WHY DID TONY REZKO SELL THE CAPS LOCK KEY TO OBAMA FOR 1/101 THE COST OF A REGULAR KEYBOARD? WHY AM I SHOUTING?

bb

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 25, 2008 1:43 PM
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Brilliant Retort FB-
Care to handle Obama's support for the Infant Protection Act or Corn Ethanol...
or is punctuation as far as your cortex stretches? ( psst.... is that why you support Obama? His good punctuation, no I don't believe it- I think you agree with him on the InfantProtection Act and Corn Ethanol- how what costs's more a gallon of gas or sugar pops...without looking?)

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

To the people who still insist on calling Obama a liar... I highly recommend reviewing http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ and looking at the scores. Obama has some false statements, but most of his comments are true. McCain has a few true statements, but has mostly false statements. McCain also has several 'pants-on-fire' ratings, which means outright lies... I think he's got more than 5 pants-on-fire ratings, which suggests that he has told outright lies on several occasions.

Posted by: mcrochip | August 25, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

FACT - During an abortion if the baby was born alive NObama fought a bill that would keep that baby alive and instead supported putting the baby in a closet and allow it die by starving it.

America needs trash like this?

After he left the state legislature that bill to save the baby was passed in Ill.

Obama explain your position to allow a human being murdered by starving it to death.

How anyone can support this dirtbag is beyond me.

Chevy

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Let's see a small Chance for change = Obama, or Same situation or worse = Mccain, I'll take my chance with a Change "Obama"

Posted by: Tony | August 25, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

As a Canadian and world citizen my sincerest hope is that America chooses to leave the dreadful last 8 years in the past and move forward by electing Barack Obama. The jaded, cynical neocon agenda has succeeded in turning so many young people off of politics and the subsequent involvement in civil society. America desperately needs to mature as a nation and assume the responsibility it bears to be a beacon of hope in a messed-up world. Republicans please get beyond your fear of diversity and change. Honestly, most of you display the temperament and perspective of fundamentalist extremists. You don't need to be afraid of what you don't understand, you simply need to RELAX for a minute and ask yourself if the last 8 years are reflective of the country you want the world to respect, and if you truly believe that neocon policies are going to make the world a better place for everyone, not just the privileged.

I must confess to a certain anti-American sentiment, developed since Bush stole the last 2 elections. That part of me wants to see y'all elect the old multi-millionaire, philandering hawk McCain, especially since he has hired Karl Rove-style mercenary/advisors. If America falls for his dirty tricks then they deserve to suffer through 4 more years of huge deficits, growing gap between rich and poor, lots more dead soldier, being the international laughing stock, eroding environmental laws, pitiful economy, illegal backroom abortions, the fusion of church and state, and all the other disturbing trends emerging from your once great country.

I have many fine American friends. I like almost all of you as individuals, but WOW do you guys like to wallow around in the dirt, ignoring your vast potential to make the world a better place for everyone. Grow up for pity's sake...

Posted by: Mike Robinson | August 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm pro Choice but I'm outraged about that one....
Are You? If not, Why Not?
Is there any intelligent discourse out there or just Madonna Hitler references?
Posted by: Scott
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I'm pro-choice, too. I choose to ignore trolls posting the same cut and paste tripe over and over. Your manufactured controversy has no legs because it's demonstrably untrue. But...you're not here for people that read and think, just to reaffirm your belligerency and narrow view of the US. How's that? I never called you hitler, just uninformed, indefensible, and willing to grasp at any straw to cling to the past.

Posted by: md83 | August 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

A little boy with too much time on his hands and access to mommy's computer down in the basement.

Posted by: Chevy is the new zouk | August 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that big extravaganza in that huge sports arena with 75,000 people listening to the great messiah speaking to the lowly crowd.

Everything Obama does is about the exhalting of Obama - he even stomped off to the podium, leaving Biden waving to the crowd. Obama doesn't like to share the lime light - I said that long before he chose a v.p. The Obama/Biden signs even are indicative of Obama not wanting to share the lime light - His Obama name is prominent in white, and Biden is underneath his name not prominent in blue on blue.

All the people that endorsed Obama are all left behind - Obama takes nobody with him. He has all the juice out of Biden he can get - now Biden will be down played and I doubt if Obama is going to let him wave at the crowd anymore.

Biden was a fool for following Obama. But he wants in or near the White House so much, he sold his soul to Obama, like the rest of the elitists did. Obama will be having many people to the White House - like Rev. Wright, Ayers, Dohrn, Farrakan, Emil Jones, Jr., Michelle's parents (Daley's precinct captain and Michelle's former employer during the low income housing scam -) and many other anti-Americans and Chicago Way politicians.

No to Obama. Absolutely Not. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"John McMansions

Posted by: lol | August 25, 2008 1:15 PM"

Thanks, I'll be here all week.

Posted by: Spectator2 | August 25, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, the only places where I hear about so-called dems voting for McCain are in article comments and blogs. When I actually talk to dems, even those who were totally committed to HRC, they've all said that they'll pull behind Obama. Hey, maybe my sample size is really small, or could be that there really will be some dems who find Barack unappealing enough to vote for McCain. Regardless, I keep seeing these attack-posts that fire off the same PNAC talking points which are sent by persons who claim to be dems. It doesn't make sense. I have a feeling that there may indeed be an organized effort by "conservatives" to pretend to be democrats that portray themselves as having shifted. I remember Karl Rove talking about how to do this and it seemed a bit far-flung, but the evidence seems to point that way. It may have the effect of galvanizing solidarity among democrats more than it will have the effect or inserting FUD into democrat decision making, though. If McCain wins, he'll be not far from what Clinton would have done, and I could live with that. I'd prefer Obama, though.

To my friends on the right, don't worry, folks. If Obama wins the sky won't fall. The changes won't be that radical. Nobody's gonna come and take away your guns. Nobody's gonna keep you from marrying the opposite sex. Nobody's going to see a Saigon-style airlift out of Bhagdad. Nobody's gonna prevent you from having as many babies as your gonads can produce. No president has ever been able to (or wanted to, I'll wager) live up to every bit of campaign rhetoric they used. It's easy to view any campaign proposal in the harshest terms, with the most critical eye. In the end, though, things get watered down by a little compromise and minority participation. That's not a bad thing, either.

Posted by: FromDenver | August 25, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

To the White Race

My Grandmother is a “typical White Person” Barry Hussein Nobama 3/21/2008.

Like it or not, that is a RACIST remark against the White race by Barry NoBama.

Please explain to me how you can support this racist after he “SPIT” in your face?

I really do need to understand how you can support someone who just hucked a luggi at your entire family.

Why isn’t the Washington post demanding he clarify his racist remark?

Chevy – Educated Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe Obama is just supposed to take McCain's unending barrage of crap and lies like a good little Democrat?

Not this time. Not this year.

Posted by: JLE | August 25, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mike------
why is obama against the Infant protection act and for cornbased ethanol even though it is 8 times less efficient than susgar cane ethanol and makes my cereal prices go up? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
WHO IS NADHMI AUCHI?
WHY WOULD REZKO'S WIFE SELL 1/6TH OF HER PROPERTY TO OBAMA?
WHY DID MBNA HIRE BIDEN'S SON FOR HALF A MIL OVER 5 YRS?
SEE PAGE A13 OF TODAY'S (NOT 40 YRS AGO'S...TODAYS!) NEW YORK TIMES.
WHAT JUDGEMENT DID IT TAKE TO CHOOSE A MAN (BIDEN)WHO CRITICIZED AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS WHILE CAMPAIGNING IN IOWA THIS YEAR FOR THE POOR STATE OF WASH DC SCHOOLS? SEE YESTERDAYS WASH POST.....how could you honestly be thrilled with Biden if you take the time to raed about these issues in today's times and yesterday's post?
OR Just keep your head in the sand and keep repeating after David Axelrod.....whose firm was overpaid to Lobby for Michelle Obama's initiatives at the Univ of Chicago Med Center!

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Maybe you can tell me what the infant protection act is. And Obama already said we need to take another look at ethanol because it consumes as much energy to make as it puts out. At least he tried to make a change. That's more than I can say for the oil companies that have us stuck in the stone age. And who gives a crap about Rezko. John McCain has been in more scandals than I can count. So Obama bought a piece of property from a criminal. Tell me what he did wrong. Where's the charges. That's right, in your head. Maybe Biden said something about the schools because of all the spray paint on the walls. Or maybe it's because Bush cut all the funding this country needs to survive to fund his oil war. What's your point. And where are the charges against Michelle Obama. McCain's whole dam campaign is run by lobbyists. In the last 5 months he voted to give contracts to foreign countries putting thousands of Americans out of work. McCain makes big money selling out Americans. He even voted against health care for our troops 4 years in a row. He wants all the money to go on keeping our troops in Iraq to protect his pals building contracts. Ya know what Traitor means right. We will not get sucked into another George Bush. McCain's gonna look real good talking about his win in Iraq when Bush is in jail for it.

Posted by: Mike | August 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

“No, No, No, No, No. Not God Bless America it’s God Damn America” NObama Pastor of 20 years preaching Hate America, Hate whitey and Hate the Jew.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Jake - if we're considering executive experience, then one only need consider how the candidate managed a $100M+ enterprise. Also known as a presidential campaign. McCain's blew through money, spent excessive amounts on consultants, and effectively collapsed, shedding staff as it went. He was lucky that he faced such a weak field.

Obama spent money on the ground game, overtaking a heavily favored opponent, conserved resources for a stretch run, and closed it out. Disciplined, coordinated, and playing for the long run. Something you don't realize is that Obama's not running for the polls now. Reagan/Carter was close until near the end. In virtually every state to be contested, Obama has many more offices than McCain.

Which one would YOU want for a White House?

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 25, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I hope people come to their senses this week in Denver and nominate the only qualified democrat, with a history of working for better government... Hillary Clinton. People get on McSame for pandering to the right wing of his party over the last 24 months in order to obtain the nomination. Obama pandered to the left wing of our party for the last 9 months to build his support as an agent of change. Now that he's the candidate he's effectively frozen us out, as he veers rightward. This is unacceptable. I don't want to vote for Nader again but the cynicism of the Obama campaigne defies description. It's shameless! Tell us what we want to hear get our votes in the primary and then toss us overboard.

It reminds me of what Professor Randy Paush said in his last lecture in regard to giving his daughter advice on dating. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, "Don't judge the boy by what he says but by what he does. His behavior will tell you if he's an honest and decent guy." Since Obama doesn't have a record of introducing any bills and voting present, what! 120 times he doesn't have a record of behavior to explore. So much like a 16 year who is looking for boyfriend or girlfriend we just listend to what he had to say and removed Hillary from the discussion. Even though we knew she had been vetted and had a great track record of working for progressive causes. It's an embarrassement that Obama and not Hilary is our nominee.

Signed
A truly bummed dem.

Posted by: mark p | August 25, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Dear Chevy, There are already laws against killing infants born alive: they are laws against murder. Obama didn't want to vote for a law that wasn't needed. Why don't you get off the internet and go get an education.

Posted by: Diane | August 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey eww-

any intelligent defense of Obama fighting the Infant Protection Act witholding medical attention from infants who survive an abortion attempt? I'm prochoice and enraged....what about you gentlemen? Or do you think divorce is worse? 50% of your convention delegates who marry will divorce...hopefully fewer will withold medical attention from a fetus surviving abortion...
Also, only a naive inexperienced candidate would say that Iran was a tiny threat and not a nuclear threat to the USA
BUT your candidates said just that...
Sorry, the best speeches in the world won't make a 2/12 yr senator who's been campaigning for 1 1/2 of those years ready to be president...why do you think he backs corn based ethanol over sugar cane ethanol his position leads to global warming, as the latter is 8 times more efficient and the former raises food prices in the US....naive and in the bag to Illinoios farmers...he should continue representing them and leave the rest of us with an experienced hand at the top of the ticket. Or is the once and future USSR a "tiny threat" too?

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The polls have Obama and McCain tied, completely tied. I don't think anything Obama does will help him. People don't like Michelle, they don't trust Obama.

After 8 years of George Bush, people aren't going to pull the lever for another inexperienced, hard-nosed, narcisstic, self-indulging presidential candidate.

There is a lawsuit filed now against the DNC for allowing Obama to run at all - he is not a proven U.S. Citizen, he had dual citizenship in Kenya, and he is secretive about his birth certificate.

The suit is filed in Pennsylvania - this past few days. The messiah struck media isn't talking about it. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Barry Hussein Obama Chooses Murder the Baby if Born Alive

This racist dirtbag opposed a bill to protect the life of an infant who survived a late-term abortion. This ofcourse violates the equal protection act which makes NObama nothing more then a Baby Murderer"

Hussein Obama while Illinois state senator, opposed a state version of the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which passed the U.S. Senate in 2002 by a
We Now Know Barry Hussein Obama is a Baby Killer!

This racist dirtbag opposed a bill to protect the life of an infant who survived a late-term abortion.

Hussein Obama while Illinois state senator, opposed a state version of the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which passed the U.S. Senate in 2002 by a unanimous vote. The law prevents the killing of Babies.
Anyone supporting this dirtbag is an animal.

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

MY pastor says "God bless America!"

Obama/Wright08

Posted by: Bill | August 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Nobama - Why didn't you bother to see American wounded troops in Germany who are doing what America asked of them?

You were over there Obama.

You didn't have time to see our wounded and dying men in uniform fighting for the country you want to be president of?

You really are one sick SOB. The lowest of the lows

Make no mistake, in my book you're a maggot.

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News -

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Biden-Obama = another Father-Son duo like Cheney-Bush.

PUMAs aren't voting for Obama because of his lack of experience - and then he validates us by choosing a father figure.

Posted by: JoseyJ | August 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

FACT: When givin the choice in the Illinois state legislature NObama says “KILL THE BABY” if born alive.

FACT: This is MURDER under the Federal Equal Protection act.

I ever get my hands on him I’ll wipe the floor with this baby killer.

If a baby was born alive during a botched abortion they would just let the baby lay there until it starved to death.

FACT Obama while in the Ill. state legistature stopped a bill coming to the floor that would allow the baby to live once it came out of the womb.

When Obama left that same bill came back to the floor and Illinois passed it by a unanimous vote.

This bill is identical to the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which passed the U.S. Senate in 2002

You DEMS going to tell me NObama isn't a sick individual?

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

When left to his own vices we saw the church Hussein NObama chose.

The church of HATE!

NObama's church preached, Hate Whitey, Hate the Jew, and God D* America.

What kind of church repeatedly uses the LORD'S name in VAIN?

20 YEARS NObama attended this church of HATE and only left after he felt the heat!

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News

Posted by: Chevy | August 25, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Hussein Obama who has attempted to demonstrate that he can walk on water now picks an old senate pol as his vice-presidential selection. Talk about coming down to earth. There was no way that Obama could live up to his own hype. His selection has proved exactly that.

Posted by: mhr | August 25, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

WHO GLUED SCOTT'S CAPS LOCK KEY ON? WHY DID TONY REZKO SELL THE CAPS LOCK KEY TO OBAMA FOR 1/101 THE COST OF A REGULAR KEYBOARD? WHY AM I SHOUTING?

bb

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 25, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

any intelligent defense of Obama fighting the Infant Protection Act witholding medical attention from infants who survive an abortion attempt? I'm prochoice and enraged....what about you gentlemen? Or do you think divorce is worse? 50% of your convention delegates who marry will divorce...hopefully fewer will withold medical attention from a fetus surviving abortion...

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 1:39 PM

____________________________

Agree with this, too.
That abortion stand is really going to cost Obama votes.
I'm pro-choice, but that's just not acceptable.

Dem for McCain '08

Posted by: Veronica | August 25, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Your proObama comments will not convince the voters who know in their hearts that he is wrong for America to vote for him. The media is so bias sometimes I feel as though I am in a communist country, but we all have free will and know bulls=== when we read it. Obama has not changed one bit in the past months. He is still a liar, an arrogant and egotistical inexperienced on foreign AND domestic affairs. He just has good speach writers and is a good speaker. That's not enough.

Posted by: Audrey Millie | August 25, 2008 11:36 AM

___________________________

Totally agree with the above.

Dem for McCain'08

Posted by: Veronica | August 25, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey will, mike, and jon-

any intelligent defense of Obama fighting the Infant Protection Act witholding medical attention from infants who survive an abortion attempt? I'm prochoice and enraged....what about you gentlemen? Or do you think divorce is worse? 50% of your convention delegates who marry will divorce...hopefully fewer will withold medical attention from a fetus surviving abortion...

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I like the selection of Joe Biden as VP nominee. I've followed Joe Biden's career from his initial campaign for the senate. He's a remarkable guy who adds to the ticket. Joe knows how Capitol Hill works better than most and as a result has an inside track of how and what it will take to forge the changes an Obama administration will seek. The plus is having Hillary in the Senate to help write the legislation and guide it through the channels. Hillary supporters don't understand her importance to an Obama administration and I'm hoping she can educate them about it.

I'm still perplexed about this idea Obama is inexperienced. Can someone be specific and not hedge on the McCain strategy. I don't believe anyone has taken on not just the responsibility of POTUS, but any job or position experienced. It takes an intellectual understanding of the responsibilities of the position and surrounding oneself with knowledgeable resources to better equip one in order to understand the possibilities and pitfalls in the approaches to the situation at hand. That takes a far-reaching intellectual capacity, not resolute stubborness or a feeble approach. I think it's fair to say Sen. Obama has exhibited the depth of his intellect. I would be proud to have his as POTUS with just that understanding alone. It would be far better than that which we've endured since 2001.

Posted by: eww | August 25, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Hillary calls for unity - but the media gets higher ratings by manufacturing conflict.
And the dumbed down public believes the media's distortions of the Clintons.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/25/123132/937

Obama could speak out against the media's distortions and decrease further dividing the party, but he's the Media Darling - so he won't.

Posted by: zazzle | August 25, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama "proved" himself long ago with his honesty, intelligence, and support for the average American. He opposed the Iraq War when it was unpopular to do so. He then ran a phenomenal primary campaign, beating the two-headed Clinton machine despite starting at a great disadvantage in terms of name recognition and political and financial support. He has earned the enthusiastic endorsement of the international community.

The primary reason that Senator Obama is not doing better in the polls is because the corporate media (which fares better under corporate presidents) has provided a megaphone for the Republican smear machine.

Journalistic integrity and democratic values got lost in the pursuit of media profits.

Posted by: Barbara Campbell | August 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned McCain should stop hiding behind his years as a POW in Vietnam because "that was a long time ago."
My understanding of those who go through combat is they never out live the trauma of the experience. Audie Murphy, America's highest decorated soldier of WWII, suffered from post dramatic syndrome until the day he died. McCain, for better or worse, is defined by the experience, and to ask that he put this behind him is impossible. Furthermore to trivialize this experince as "hiding" is a slap in the face to any living combat veteran - liberal or conservative. At least McCain has a gut wrenching experience to draw from. What has Obama done other than go to school and live off of a government paycheck, book royalties or Michelle's big salary.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Jon Chinn:

Why are you responding to the "troll" then?

bodo:

William Jefferson Clinton was a Governor, not Senator, and John Fitzgerald Kennedy served LONGER in the Senate than Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

This Is who Nadhmi Auchi Is:

Times OnLine
February 26, 2008

Mansion 'mistake' piles the pressure on Barack Obama
(Charles Rex Arbogast/Pool/EPA)
Barack Obama now admits his involvement in this land deal was a mistake

James Bone in New York and Dominic Kennedy in London
Graphic: the house that Barack bought | The key players | Timeline: Barack and the billionaire

A British-Iraqi billionaire lent millions of dollars to Barack Obama's fundraiser just weeks before an imprudent land deal that has returned to haunt the presidential contender, an investigation by The Times discloses.

The money transfer raises the question of whether funds from Nadhmi Auchi, one of Britain’s wealthiest men, helped Mr Obama buy his mock Georgian mansion in Chicago.

A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama's bagman Antoin "Tony" Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million.


Posted by: scott | August 25, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

For Baltz and the WP to call him a "political neophyte" shows how stupid and corrupt the chattering classes are. Especially the hacks who work for the WP.

How much did the GOP pay you to write this crap, Dan? Or is it you are a true-believing kool-aid swilling attack dog?

As for your "advice" to just let the GOP swift-boat him without responding in kind, well, that is a recipe for another Kerry-like loss. He need to hit McCain HARD on everything - his first marriage, his collaboration with North Vietnamese poropaganda, his obscene wealth, his war-mongering, his denigration of women, the keating five, his lias and flip-flops, and more.

Politics ain't beanbag, and anything a concern troll like Baltz says is less than worthless.

Posted by: Jon Chinn | August 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I think it is time to stop with the stupid "neophyte" stories. Obama may still look young and fit, but he is older than Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy were at their inauguration, and he served longer in the Senate. But compared to John McCain, the oldest candidate ever, even my grandmother looks like a spring chicken.

Posted by: bodo | August 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes, McCain dumped his first wife and kids for Cindy. First though he cheated on Cindy and then he dumped them.

The wife he dumped didn't have cancer as I heard it. I heard she had just been disfigured in a auto accident.

I guess the Barby-ish and Ultra Cindy was much more appealing. Kind of like the Neocon rhetoric. Very appealing and now he has dumped his Maverick persona.

I guess it too had outlived its usefulness.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | August 25, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, front page news in the WSJ is that our house prices go down and all but the top 0.1 percent of America that Bush and McCain represent are getting poorer day by day.

Time to just say NO! to Republicants and their Spend Borrow Spend Borrow ways.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | August 25, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't John McCain have a son serving with the Marines in Iraq?

Posted by: John | August 25, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I've seen McCain getting interviewed by Chris Matthews of MSNBC. McCain did very well. He answers questions without going around in circles. I think he is going to make mince meat out of Obamain the debates. Selecting Biden for his running mate was a safe choice, but even though Biden is a Catholic as is Kennedy and Kerry, practicing Catholics (called Orthodox Catholics by some talking heads) are not going to vote for the ticket. Furthermore Biden has been a Senator longer than McCain. Where does "change" fit into a guy who has been in Washington that long? Oh, I forgot, he goes home to Delaware every night to be with his family. That is admirable, but does not take away he has been a partisan, liberal in the Senate for 35 years.

Posted by: Jeff in Orlando | August 25, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama picked a Washington insider or some kind of creature of Washington in Biden?

Come on Dan Balz, tell the truth about Biden here. That line is baloney. His net worth is around $150,000. He goes home on the train every night. Calling him a Washington insider is like calling Romney a blue collar guy.

Biden is true blue collar roots guy and knows what the people are going through in this country. He had to take a second mortgage just to put his kid through school so they could be competitive and get a good job.

Yes, we love Biden. He is a good pick AND consistent with Obama's message. He brings a great intellect and solid international experience. He will shred the Repub VP pick in a debate.

AND AND, get this, he knows how to counter punch. He likes it. He is great at it. Obama is a nice guy that doesn't like to go negative. It is just how he is made. Biden though is another story. GAME ON!

Posted by: Mike in Sac | August 25, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I think it's great that McCain and his wife have multiple houses. He can take care of his older relatives in their time of need (Very honorable)and if anyone deserves it, it is John McCain who spent 5 years in a Vietnamese prison camp sacrificing for all the anti-American, class envy, liberal blogger types who post here. Obama should at least help his hut-living brother...maybe some indoor plumbing for Christmas?

Posted by: daman1 | August 25, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Did McCain really dump his first wife for Cindy while wife number 1 had cancer and was fighting for her life? I guess McCain believes a couple of years as a POW gives one the right to do and say anything. McCain, not fit for either the White House or the Out House.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mike...now we're getting some where, an intellect-
McCain is for Sugar Cane Ethanol not Obama's Illinois Global Warming Corn Ethanol that raises food prices and is 8 times less efficient- any comments?
Infant Protection Act- Obama's fighting to kill babies that have SURVIVED an abortion attempt- I'm pro Choice but I'm outraged about that one....
Are You? If not, Why Not?
Is there any intelligent discourse out there or just Madonna Hitler references and spelling critiques...
also feel free to answerWHO IS NADHMI AUCHI?
WHY WOULD REZKO'S WIFE SELL 1/6TH OF HER PROPERTY TO OBAMA?
WHY DID MBNA HIRE BIDEN'S SON FOR HALF A MIL OVER 5 YRS?
SEE PAGE A13 OF TODAY'S (NOT 40 YRS AGO'S...TODAYS!) NEW YORK TIMES.
WHAT JUDGEMENT DID IT TAKE TO CHOOSE A MAN (BIDEN)WHO CRITICIZED AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS WHILE CAMPAIGNING IN IOWA THIS YEAR FOR THE POOR STATE OF WASH DC SCHOOLS? SEE YESTERDAYS WASH POST.....how could you honestly be thrilled with Biden if you take the time to read about these issues in today's times and yesterday's post?
OR Just keep your head in the sand and keep repeating after David Axelrod.....whose firm was overpaid to Lobby for Michelle Obama's initiatives at the Univ of Chicago Med Center!

Posted by: scott | August 25, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

John McMansions

Posted by: lol | August 25, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

They've told Bill Clinton what his speech needs to say. Bubba is pissed. Especially after being painted as a racist by Obama. Can't wait to hear wat our first Black President, Bill Clinton, is going to say.

Posted by: daman1 | August 25, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"Will Biden give up his senate seat to run? Or will he run in BOTH races. That sends a great message: I'm running for VP but am keeping my old job "just in case".

He better keep that old job. Because that's all he'll have after November."

Give me a break. John McMansions, who is running for PRESIDENT, hasn't given up his Senate seat.

Posted by: Spectator2 | August 25, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't SCOTT quit typing in CAPS and learn to spell!

Posted by: Michael | August 25, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

It's a tough one Dan. He can't just stand there and take cheap shots without responding (for some reason). I guess voters need to see him respond to that, rather than letting him talk about his policies and ignoring the other side until specific debates? It's almost as though watching some kind of boxing match or something. Can't we read and hear the issues for ourselves to distinguish? I don't understand why it is necessary to look for both candidates to go attacking.

I don't see anything wrong with simply talking about the opposition's policies vs. Obama's. However, when we get into debating celeb status, and other dumb statements on either side, outside of the issues, I think it is ridiculous. As much as I would like otherwise, I don't think that it is realistic to say that that is indeed how events from here on out will follow. Thus, when I see it, I will just have to comment on it as it is presented.

All I can say is, Obama focus mainly on the issues, and I look forward to you replacing Bush in the White House. This is not the time for Neglect. This is the time for some Progress; try hard not to fail.

Obama/Biden '08

And Biden....people weren't telling jokes when they said he doesn't mind going on offense. He started out with it so fast. Since he's on the ticket, I look forward to him using his energy to help make some Progress happen. Go Biden!!

Go Democrats!! It's America's Time!

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 25, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Will Biden give up his senate seat to run? Or will he run in BOTH races. That sends a great message: I'm running for VP but am keeping my old job "just in case".

He better keep that old job. Because that's all he'll have after November.

Posted by: RightPOV | August 25, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mike------
why is obama against the Infant protection act and for cornbased ethanol even though it is 8 times less efficient than susgar cane ethanol and makes my cereal prices go up? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
WHO IS NADHMI AUCHI?
WHY WOULD REZKO'S WIFE SELL 1/6TH OF HER PROPERTY TO OBAMA?
WHY DID MBNA HIRE BIDEN'S SON FOR HALF A MIL OVER 5 YRS?
SEE PAGE A13 OF TODAY'S (NOT 40 YRS AGO'S...TODAYS!) NEW YORK TIMES.
WHAT JUDGEMENT DID IT TAKE TO CHOOSE A MAN (BIDEN)WHO CRITICIZED AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS WHILE CAMPAIGNING IN IOWA THIS YEAR FOR THE POOR STATE OF WASH DC SCHOOLS? SEE YESTERDAYS WASH POST.....how could you honestly be thrilled with Biden if you take the time to raed about these issues in today's times and yesterday's post?
OR Just keep your head in the sand and keep repeating after David Axelrod.....whose firm was overpaid to Lobby for Michelle Obama's initiatives at the Univ of Chicago Med Center!

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

~

It's going to be difficult for Obama to make the case that he's qualified when, by any measure, he's not.

That is the reason that Clinton Democrats are not getting behind Obama.

For no other reason than we can see that he's unqualified.

If Biden were at the top of the ticket, it would be a no-brainer.

The Dems are going to blows yet another election.

~

Posted by: DickeyFuller | August 25, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Rumor has it that Michelle Obama is prego and will announce it at her speech tonight. Assume Barry will probably say that the life began at conception and should not be killed if born alive? Or would he? Just asking.

Posted by: daman1 | August 25, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

festinog:

60+ million (I predict the same this year for McCain).

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bob Bob-
McCain is for Sugar Cane Ethanol not Obama's Illinois Global Warming Corn Ethanol that raises food prices and is 8 times less efficient- any comments?
Infant Protection Act- Obama's fighting to kill babies that have SURVIVED an abortion attempt- I'm pro Choice but I'm outraged about that one....
Are You? If not, Why Not?
Is there any intelligent discourse out there or just Madonna Hitler references?

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Haman1 -
A hut warming gift? Wow. Did you think that one up on your own or was it one of the 'inquiring minds' you refer to? It is sad to think that in this day and age people anywhere still live in huts. Maybe McCain can donate one of his 4... no, 7.... or was it 11 houses?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:52 PM

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McCain is taking care of one of his elderly aunts in at least one of his properties (you don't hear about that). Barry has done nothing to help his slum-living relatives. Maybe he should have asked Tony Rezko for a loan for them?

Posted by: daman1 | August 25, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

If that is the case, then the Republicans certainly have cause for concern. That said, it is certain that more idiots voted in the last two elections than one would have thought possible...

Posted by: festinog | August 25, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Ya think the press could find something bad to write about McCain. The whole dam Google election web page is about how bad Obama and his VP pick are. The moron that wrote this article has Obama pegged as another typical politician because he started hitting back at McCain's cut throat adds. I call it defending yourself. Omama hits back with the facts, not Paris Hilton. It's time the American people clicked the switch on the media conditioning and took this country back. Getting sucked into another George Bush is a mistake we can't afford to make.

Posted by: Mike | August 25, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Haman1 -
A hut warming gift? Wow. Did you think that one up on your own or was it one of the 'inquiring minds' you refer to? It is sad to think that in this day and age people anywhere still live in huts. Maybe McCain can donate one of his 4... no, 7.... or was it 11 houses?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

HEY bob bob?
WHO IS NADHMI AUCHI?
WHY WOULD REZKO'S WIFE SELL 1/6TH OF HER PROPERTY TO OBAMA?
WHY DID MBNA HIRE BIDEN'S SON FOR HALF A MIL OVER 5 YRS?
SEE PAGE A13 OF TODAY'S (NOT 40 YRS AGO'S...TODAYS!) NEW YORK TIMES.
WHAT JUDGEMENT DID IT TAKE TO CHOOSE A MAN (BIDEN)WHO CRITICIZED AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS WHILE CAMPAIGNING IN IOWA THIS YEAR FOR THE POOR STATE OF WASH DC SCHOOLS? SEE YESTERDAYS WASH POST.....how could you honestly be thrilled with Biden if you take the time to raed about these issues in today's times and yesterday's post?
OR Just keep your head in the sand and keep repeating after David Axelrod.....whose firm was overpaid to Lobby for Michele Obama's initiatives at teh Univ of Chicago Med Center!

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

That's right, thebob.bob "believes" most of Obama's supporters were thrilled to be woken up at 3 AM : )

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I would submit that there are more "idiots" visiting Denver this week than will be in St. Paul-Minneapolis next week ...

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"no doubt disillusioned some of Obama's grassroots supporters". Unless you have data to support that statement, I believe you're wrong. I believe most of Obama's supporters were thrilled with Biden as the choice.

"a party hungering to return to power". Wrong again! It's the American people hungering for a change from the last thirty years of culture war divisiveness.

The Republicans are scared sheetless. All they can do is try to rile up the Clinton supporters. They have no policies to talk about. Nothing but hate and fear to spread as the country continues to slide deeper and deeper in the hole. The American people know that it's time to stop digging!!

Bush/Cheney/McCain! No More Years!!!

Posted by: thebob.bob | August 25, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Will they promote Obama's support of infanticide at the convention? Will Barry send his half-brother George Hussein Obama a check or hut warming gift for his shack in Nairobi? Has Bill Ayers been invited to speak? Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: daman1 | August 25, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama and other Democrats need to stop allowing McCain to hide behind his POW status - while it is true he suffered, that happened a LONG time ago, and it doesn't entitle him to a free pass for the rest of his life. Fact is, this guy is ouyt of touch with most Americans has a bellicose, hair-trigger temper, and seems to think the "military option" is always the first option to consider. We don't need that; never did, and never will.

Posted by: Tony in Idaho | August 25, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

JakeD -

Unfortunately there are idiots on both sides of the fence.

It just happens more of them live over with you as we liberal pinko commie America-hating espresso drinking arugala eating surrender monkeys also tend to be intellectual elitists ;)

Posted by: festinog | August 25, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey "Aricept Rep" are you really Joe Biden making another 7 Eleven funny? Come on you can tell us....

Posted by: Scott | August 25, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I got a preview of the Invesco Tent Revival speech:

Welll nah (deep breath) I said the Holy Ghost is in this place (deep breath) I said the Holy Ghost (deep breath) Y'all don't hear me nah!

Audience directive: Preach it, Pastor Rock!

Posted by: dcp | August 25, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

festinog:

Could you please clue in those like "Dumb McCain" and the rest of your fellow Obama supporters then? As for Obama directly bringing up McCain's age, the closest was the :lost his bearings" comment. I am referring more to the campaign as a whole.

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey "Help ME"
I've helped you please let me know the answers when you get up....

1. WHO IS NADHMI AUCHI?
2. WHY DID MRS. REZKO SELL 1/6TH OF HER PROPERTY TO BARACK OBAMA?
3. WHY DID MBNA PAY JOE BIDEN'S LOBBYIST SON HALF A MILLION OVER 5 YRS FOR CONSULTING?
4. WHY DID JOE BIDEN CRITICIZE AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS FOR DC SCHOOL'S POOR PERFORMANCE WHILE CAMPAIGNING IN IOWA?
5. WHY DID BIDEN CRITICIZE INDIAN AMERICAN 7 ELEVEN CASHIERS?
6. WHY DID OBAMA CHOOSE A 36 YEAR TENURED SENATOR TO REPRESENT CHANGE?
7. HOW MUCH TAXPAYER MONEY DID REZKO RECEIVE AFTER HIS LAND DEAL WITH OBAMA?

McCain's issues-
Offshore drilling
Sugar Cane not Obama's Illinois Global Warming Corn Ethanol that raises food prices and is 8 times less efficienty
Infant Protection act- Obama's fighting to kill babies that have SURVIVED an abortion attempt- I'm pro Choice but I'm outraged about that one....

Posted by: SCOTT | August 25, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

JakeD -

"With Biden, Obama also took McCain's age off the table."

As a matter for course Jake, would you mind pointing out to me where Obama refered to his opponents age as grounds for his ineligability?

And again:

""Dumb" McCain:

Please review YOUR candidate's VP "academic" record and then get back to us ; )"

Again, I beleive you'll find Obama has never said, implied or beleived McCain to be stupid. Neither of these candidates are stupid; they are both highly accomplished, charismatic politicians.

Jake read my post again. I am not interested in discussing white elephant topics either about McCain or Obama. I do beleive we should be talking about both candidates policies and right now I see a choice between a complete break from a failing political agenda, or 4 more years of the same.

regards,
Festinog

And ;) yourself! ;)


Posted by: festinog | August 25, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Your proObama comments will not convince the voters who know in their hearts that he is wrong for America to vote for him. The media is so bias sometimes I feel as though I am in a communist country, but we all have free will and know bulls=== when we read it. Obama has not changed one bit in the past months. He is still a liar, an arrogant and egotistical inexperienced on foreign AND domestic affairs. He just has good speach writers and is a good speaker. That's not enough.

Posted by: Audrey Millie | August 25, 2008 11:36 AM

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Hey if you lost half your bitterness and cynicism, you might be able to see a little more clearly.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The convention is really heating things up in the blogosphere. Check out the very funny catharsis ad posted at http://www.thepajamapundit.com/
Maybe this will help Bill get over it. But I am trying to figure this one out: http://www.bop-o-rama.com
It seems to me that McCain's number is a bit low. I wonder if PUMA is staging a protest here.

Posted by: mgultch | August 25, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama the favorite of the American people ? That only the elections will answer.

But we know that he certainly is the favorite of all the people who hate America- Nation of Islam, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Middle Eastern Jihadist & Terrorists, Kenya's Sharia loving leader Rail Oding and so on...

I just can't understand this contradiction ? Is it Kumbaya or we just don't know enough about this man.

Posted by: Timothy | August 25, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

1. WHO IS NADHMI AUCHI?
2. WHY DID MRS. REZKO SELL 1/6TH OF HER PROPERTY TO BARACK OBAMA?
3. WHY DID MBNA PAY JOE BIDEN'S LOBBYIST SON HALF A MILLION OVER 5 YRS FOR CONSULTING?
4. WHY DID JOE BIDEN CRITICIZE AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS FOR DC SCHOOL'S POOR PERFORMANCE WHILE CAMPAIGNING IN IOWA?
5. WHY DID BIDEN CRITICIZE INDIAN AMERICAN 7 ELEVEN CASHIERS?
6. WHY DID OBAMA CHOOSE A 36 YEAR TENURED SENATOR TO REPRESENT CHANGE?
7. HOW MUCH TAXPATER MONET DID REZKO RECEIVE AFTER HIS LAND DEAL WITH OBAMA?

Posted by: SCOTT | August 25, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame that the gop can only hit on Obama on hooey issues, like celebrity, etc. If he hit on issues, he'd have credibility, right now the mccain camp just looks desperate - repeating the same old rovian tactics hoping they work again. But you know...I wouldn't hold my breath. I think that after being literally duped by the bush admin - folks are a lot smarter and won't fall for the hooey. Those that do fall for it were always going to vote republican, so they get what they deserve.

Posted by: Help me I've lost all credibility and I can't get up - John McCain | August 25, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Aricept rep:

And then you wonder why Republicans joke about Ted Kennedy's brain cancer / drunk driving?

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS:

McCain discloses today that he has Alzheimer's. Tragedy for the McCain family!!

Posted by: Aricept rep | August 25, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

festinog:

With Biden, Obama also took McCain's age off the table.

"Dumb" McCain:

Please review YOUR candidate's VP "academic" record and then get back to us ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

At least Obama found some substance to go with his "Change" mantra when he chose Biden as a running mate. Too bad the ticket isn't Biden with Obama as a running mate, that ticket would be worth voting for.

Posted by: mdckmn | August 25, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"It was the action of a politician, not a crusader."

Because a politician can't be a crusader?

Posted by: cyhtriys | August 25, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama's choice of Biden reflects the fact that in order to win this election Obama needs to play a little politics. In order to smooth feathers and show he'll be backed-up by experience he had to go with the older white male. It's an unfortunate aspect of American politics, but unavoidable.

While some may use this choice as proof that he is moving away from his position as a bringer of change, one need only examine his policies. They have not changed. The principles which attracted many to his banner are still there. What Obama needs to do is become more pro-active in pointing this out. Instead of constantly having to answer the same old questions on his religious beleifs, his patriotism, his ethnicity, his supposed inexperience etc. etc. etc. Obama needs to point out that these topics have been addressed ad nauseum and now he would like to talk about energy, the economy, America's position in the world, international trade, the environment etc.

Things that actually matter.

Obama offers an approach to American politics that is essential following on from Bushes disastrous 8 years which have given us nothing but war and a failing economy. McCain offers us 4 more years of the same.

There is no middle ground.

Obama'08

Posted by: festinog | August 25, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama show that you have balls: Return fire with fire. Be relentless.

My advice to Obama and the DNC: Counter McCain's ad that try to attract Clinton voters by making an ad with Clinton in it. Clinton should reach out to her supporters directly in the ad and demonise McCain.

Obama, remember, you graduated at the top of the class, McCain graduated at the bottom of the class. You are smarter then him. Knock McCain to the ground during the debates - please do not play nice guy. The debates are your true test, don't screw it up - bulldoze McCain.

Good luck and God Bless you and Biden.

Posted by: Dumb McCain | August 25, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I like Huckabee, He reminds me how America use to be. Him and mcCain will make a great team!

Posted by: pamela | August 25, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The NYT is a worthless rag of a "newspaper."

Posted by: Abolhassan Bani Sadr | August 25, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

At least Obama can speak English which is more than Bush can do. What an illiterate moron!

McSame will need two constant companions, one with "the football" and the other to take his pulse.

Posted by: Abolhassan Bani Sadr | August 25, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Obama is toast!!!!!
His ego will prevent him from coming down to earth with a message that includes substance.....he's too immersed in himself to represent America....

McCain & Anybody '08

Posted by: Jay W | August 25, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

It will take a level of judgement far beyond obama's. In his first opportunity to demonstrate good judgement he picked a crooked typical back room politician who sold out to MBNA and the credit card industry in return for a 5 year 500000 dollar contract for his lobbyist son. Biden also insulted Indian americans and the african american students of washington dc THIS YEAR.Great judgement Obama. Read today's NYTimes p A13.

Posted by: scott | August 25, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"The choice of Biden was a hard-headed, cold-blooded calculation that he may need a Biden to win and will certainly benefit from a Biden in governing, if he become president. It was the action of a politician, not a crusader."

A politician, yes: an atypical, exceptional politician reminiscent of Lincoln and John F. Kennedy.

Posted by: First Mouse | August 25, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

If Obama EVER has to stand up on his own without the media defending him, he will be annihilated. He is, after all, the least qualified candidate for President in the history of our nation. Now that's what I call affirmative action!

Posted by: Jon Iscream | August 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The GOP is ready to pounce. They have unveiled THREE ads in the past 48 hours playing on the divisions between Obama and Clinton - the latest, by the RNC, calls Obama the most inexperienced politician ever: http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/08/25/new-gop-ads-hit-obama-on-party-unity/

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Obama was and remains an unconventional candidate whose message, character, demeanor, and vision inspire a vast army of supporters across the nation and around the world.

His primary problem is that he has not been matched by an equally transformed media. Most coverage of Obama has focussed on questions of race when the real story was his non-racial core beliefs.

Most reporters have been dragged back to the horse-race aspects of the campaign instead of concentrating on the substance of Obama's transformational message about the economy and international relations.

Most coverage of Obama has been negative, telling us what he has NOT done rather than examining what in fact he has done. Obama has single-handedly changed the dialogue on race in America. He has shifted the conversation about international and security issues, setting the agenda for a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq, for tempered engagement with Iran, and for stiffer action against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Obama has initiated a meaningful dialogue about alternative energy sources to break our national dependance on foreign petroleum. And he has rebuked the insane GOP policy of adding to our crushing national debt by increasing tax cuts for the richest segment of our population.

Obama has already contributed to a revitalized image of America on the world stage, one that is fervently welcomed by our friends around the globe. He has done all this and he is not even our elected president yet.

In many ways, Obama is already the leader of a resurgent America, the representative of a new generation of smart, bold, strong, and generous leaders who can lift our nation out of the doldrums that we have drifted in the past eight years.

Conventional news analyses like this one by Balz have not helped American voters understand the real issue at stake in this election. Instead they have focussed the electorate on the petty and negative questions raised by the desperate McCain campaign.

I hope and pray that the voters will be more informed than the media, bolder than the pollsters, and more optimistic and confident than all the pundits.

Obama offers a sound and enlightened choice for leadership for our future. Now all we have to do is seize the opportunity he gives us.

Obama '08

Posted by: dee | August 25, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Obama will be fine. He's the best politician I've seen since Bill Clinton- and he doesn't have the obvious character flaws. As for timing, Obama was down 20pts to Hillary on Jan1 and then turned it on. It's good that he hasn't peaked too soon in the general. Thursday marks the new phase of the race.

Regarding the false dichotomy of Barack as a dreamer or pragmatist, nobody gets this far without a serious pragmatic speech. To think otherwise is delusional.

Similarly, it is foolish to by the Republican bs and to think that large rallies somehow appeal to Limousine Liberals. MLK didn't do fireside chats.

Finally, as for the notion that "His gifts as a campaigner, his personality and his natural talents have set him apart from other politicians" I would contend that Obama is your typical highly intelligent guy who went to a top law school and then carved out a career in politics. He knows how to write a speech, how to give one, how to analyze the facts of the day and create models that resonate with people. Just like a bunch of other guys. It isn't his "natural talents"- it is hard work that has met opportunity. Be careful with the promised land stuff. People will be analyzing this election for a long time to come. Don't fall into the Republican trap and believe their rock star hype. As Michael Kinsley wrote, no one should be convicted of charisma. If he's more popular, he's more popular- and there's nothing wrong with that. But, more importantly, don't fall into the 1960s sports commentators mindset that says that this black man got where he is via natural talent. There are a lot of talented politicians with legal degrees from top schools. Lots of guys who were in the top 1% in SATs, grades, etc. The difference is hard work, luck and opportunity.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 25, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Your proObama comments will not convince the voters who know in their hearts that he is wrong for America to vote for him. The media is so bias sometimes I feel as though I am in a communist country, but we all have free will and know bulls=== when we read it. Obama has not changed one bit in the past months. He is still a liar, an arrogant and egotistical inexperienced on foreign AND domestic affairs. He just has good speach writers and is a good speaker. That's not enough.

Posted by: Audrey Millie | August 25, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

God is imaginary. Church is a colossal waste of time.

McSame is just part of the wealthy elite and we don't need another one of them as pres.

So McSame lived in public housing in Hanoi for a few years. How does that enable him to be a better president than Obama?

Posted by: Abolhassan Bani Sadr | August 25, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

McCain has run a typical, sleaze campaign aimed at attacking Obama w/trash and inuendoes. The only time that McCain wants to talk "civil" is when a charge is aimed at him. Then he wants to whine, "I was a POW" yada, yada, yada. That was over 30 years ago, what has he done since then? It certainly appears that McCain and Sen Hillary met and agreed that she would throw her support to him in 2008 in exchange for her to win 2012. The Republicans, who under Bush has made this mess, let McCain win in 2008 to further destroy the economy or make an effort to clean it up. Obama and no Democrat should be stuck with getting the blame for the Bush destruction. It will take more than 4 years to reverse this trend, and the American people have not suffered enough if they do not see the damage the current administration has caused. So, 4 more years of Bushism. That is exactly what the country deserves. Then maybe in 2012, they'll appreciate a leader who will bring change, and it will not be Sen. Clinton.

Posted by: AJ | August 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

IS ANTI-HILLARY HERE REALLY PRO-McCAIN?

The disinformation artists are out in force to disparage and ridicule pro-Hillary sentiments...

Because they know that Obama can't win, and they want to keep it that way.

Check the polls: Obama's lead is gone.

So the Dems are waist-deep in Big Muddy. Do they simply push on, because the Big Fool says so?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-w-vic-livingston-joebama-cant-save-dems-ticket-now-only-hillary-can

Posted by: scrivener | August 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Obama has a tough track because he has painted himself in a corner concerning energy and can't get out without looking like he is jumping positions once again. Pelosi could have helped him by caving on offshore drilling before the convention but blew the mission in helping her party's candidate.

Posted by: Ed | August 25, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Now Who will McCain Pick They have shot their self in the foot when it comes to Romney McCain released attack ads on the Biden Pick because Biden said some things negitve toward Obama during the primary.

Romney called McCain dishonest during the Primary, and more.

Huckabee came in second during the Primary not Romney., This wont go over well with the Christian Base.

Romney and McCain would be the Super Rich ticket. In a middle Class Election.

Biden will win working class Votes, Romney will remind the working class he is the guy that lays you off.

Biden will be filmed going to church every sunday, Romney will be filmed going to a Mormon church, making the base of the GOP more then Uncomfortable.

So who should McCain pick??

Huckabee would energize the Base.

Huckabee is veiwed as Middle class, Winning overwhelming working class voters.

Huckabee didnt attack McCain during the primary.

Huckabee can hold his own with anyone in debates.

Huckabee Has 1 house

Huckabee is the most logical, despite what the bloggers that are on Romney's payroll say. By the way, the radio host of Republican talk radio
they are on the Romney payroll too. Romney should learn he cant buy an election. He outspent every candidate during the primarys, even outspending Huckabee 6 to 1. Huckabee still got more delegates.

http://www.HotPres.com McCain Dui? http://www.duihlepguide.com

Posted by: Peter | August 25, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

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