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Clinton Memos Lay Bare Early Plans


Mark Penn, chief strategist and pollster for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton, speaks to reporters in the "spin room" after the Democratic debate at Saint Anselm College January 5, 2008 in Manchester, New Hampshire. (Win McNamee/Getty Images)

By Anne E. Kornblut
After much hand-wringing among former Clinton staff members over the weekend, the Atlantic Monthly has finally posted its treasure trove of Clinton campaign e-mails -- some 130 of the nearly 200 obtained by reporter Josh Green. They do not alter the fundamental understanding of the campaign's weaknesses -- everyone, it seems, shares some blame for the misreadings and strife that led to her defeat -- but they offer a striking illumination of how far in advance some senior advisers warned of potential financial and political pitfalls and possibilities.

Former chief strategist Mark Penn, who has taken so much heat in the race, lays out in an early 2007 memo the exact coalition that ended up giving Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton a winning streak toward the end. "We are the candidate of people with needs," Penn wrote in March of 2007. "We win women, lower classes and Democrats."

In the same note, Penn laid out his ideas for attacking Obama over his "lack of American roots" -- a fierce approach that caused a great deal of strife inside the Clinton campaign, as others warned that Clinton needed to build herself up rather than tear the first viable African American candidate down. "All of these articles about his boyhood in Indonesia and his life in Hawaii are geared towards showing his background is diverse, multicultural and putting that in a new light," Penn wrote. "Save it for 2050."

One question that has lingered about the fractured operation is who, exactly, is to blame for its financial problems. The Atlantic archive advances the theory that Patti Solis Doyle and Harold Ickes bear responsibility for that (and that Ickes is also partly to blame for the failure to grasp the proportional delegate allotment; his most comprehensive memo on the subject came in December of 2007). But Ickes also advocated keeping a $25 million reserve -- which did not happen. Green also notes that Penn, as a vendor, was not supposed to make budget decisions, exonerating him somewhat.

The notes also demonstrate how tense the internal dealings in Ballston were (as well as certain people's proclivity toward copying numerous colleagues onto sensitive memos).

By Web Politics Editor  |  August 12, 2008; 10:58 AM ET
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Comments

The question that comes to my mind is when you've got scummy people like Penn running your campaign how does that reflect on you as a candidate. I'm just glad a Democrat got the nomination.

Posted by: mmmisewicz | August 14, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

A wrist sprain from shaking hands?

If this was Michelle Obama their would be all kinds of speculation.

Posted by: Speculation | August 14, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

very well said, Reggie.

Posted by: nctreasures | August 13, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

DEMOCRATS,

When we look at the decisions we made to not select John Edwards and to reject the Clinton's, it appears we have made the right decision, in the end, to go with Barack.

From deep within, our strong convictions about the Clinton's led us correctly.

Let's not get caught up in these superficial distractions but instead continue to show and exert our determination to stay on the right path and propell a real leader on to victory. As a majority now, we must do this for a better America.

We all deserve an applause for how well we've done. Our choice of Barack is becoming more clear each day.

I believe no matter what challenges are put before us at this point, we will "step to the plate."

What we have delievered to ourselves is the power to change. Let's make that potential a reality.

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | August 13, 2008 4:16 AM | Report abuse

re: Iran-Contra

Yeah, and the Kerry committee also found a Contra-Crack cocaine connection.

Which is interesting because McCain married into a crime family with deep roots in Phoenix/Vegas/LA underworld activity and strong links to Kemper Marley and Meyer Lansky. Check out the wiki of Jim Hensley.

Cindy's father was represented by William Rehnquist; but the court still found him guilty of a felony. That was after Gus Greenbaum got whacked and the law decided to clean up the area.

McCain is just as crooked as Bush. Both have deep, dark networks that have made American foreign policy subservient to their business interests in Colombia, Cuba, the middle east and elsewhere.

Greedy pigs.

Posted by: JR, Boston | August 12, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Zach wrote, "I am 19 and I feel I have a better grasp on the issues at hand than any of you. I don't mean to sound arrogant but gosh, it's no wonder we elected Bush twice."

By the time you're 50, "gosh" will be a thing of the past, trust me.

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 12, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

the
bush family is the epitome of


MONEYED cowardice...

draft dodging, favor_using and PROMISING sons of the elite...


both of these effete hip_wiggling commies were cheer_leaders...

and George H.W. jettisoned the plane that he was piloting on a milk run/bombing run in the last days of the war in the Pacific....

he the pilot, ejected and left two men strapped into that plane to find out that they had been left behind, by dying...

they sank to the bottom of the ocean in that plane, because george "wetshispants" the first ejected without giving them the courtesy of telling them.....


he was leaving, that was George H.W. bush, like father like son...

in more ways than one...


.

Jimmy Carter was backstabbed... by these cowards...


the current secretary of defense, an IRAN CONTRA felon Robert M. Gates, went to Paris

while Carter was President, and committed treason against that president by conspiring with the then Director of the CIA and George H.W. Bush to have the IRAN hostage released after the election...


SEARCH on IRAN CONTRA, Paris, Russian, October Surprise, Carter


Posted by: . | August 12, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

we have reached the limits of our borders.

There is _no_ westward expansion. There is no need for _useless_ members of society...

we need to use _everyone_ that we have....

ANALOGY WARNING:
There is a need to see _all_ people as being in the soup...if you put in a "bad taste," the ENTIRE SOUP TASTES BAD.

In the realworld ecology of humanity, we each and everyone, affect each other. There is no way to have a good soup, if some of the soup tastes bad.

IF SOMEONE IN THE UNITED STATES, has a bad life because of throughtlessness, theirs or yours.

To work for all of the soup to taste good is in the highest interests for all members of the soup.

Example: Since there is a great deal more money to be made in quick business deals of "acquiring more," the current administration is working on shedding the burden of helping the people that they have purposely disenfranchised.

Let us look at a SINGLE ISSUE, that shows the pattern.

current bankruptcy laws:

Passing BANKRUPTCY LAWS that protect the CORPORATIONS, but leave the consumers liable...like old debtor prisons. Today, bankruptcy laws prevent people from getting out from under debt, even though they may have been thrust into an economic situation that they have no control over. Congress REMOVED a judges ability to say "you shouldn't have to pay for this, because it wasn't your fault." That is the newest bankruptcy law.

why have there been surges in bankruptcy?

a. outsourcing

b. downsizing

c. internationalization/selling of the outsourced downsized companies to international conglomerates that don't have a country that they represent/support....then firing in_country manufacturing and moving it overseas.

What are the people "in charge," missing?

That they are making some pieces of the soup taste like s***. They are turning some peoples lives into s***.

In fuedal Europe, this is the norm. The royalty lives well, and the peasants get what the king doesn't steal from them.

The sentence immediately above is what is going on in the United States _right_now_.

The people "in charge," have a responsiblity to us, the rest of the soup, that the soup doesn't taste bad. If the soup tastes bad at an international level, the whole world will lose, as it will be selfishness and 3RD WORLD CONDITIONS FOR EVERYONE in the world, ALL OVER AGAIN.

You all, "people in charge," seem to think that every man for themselves is the way_to_go. Obfuscation, lying, cheating and spinning are _world_class_ behaviours.

Sorry, we've already been there.

Democracy, a citizenship that is intelligent enough to make decisions based upon an honest enough understanding of issues is what made America great during the 50's thru the early 80's. That is except for Americas disenfranchised.

But I can solve that easily.

What I am pointing out is an essential fact or two.

1. We are not in expansionist mode...we have to look at how actions affect other people.

a. there are a limited number of resources for our current population.

b. if the people who are in charge don't realize this and manage it, they will end up creating more disenfrachised or stealing from a group. And create more poor people.

2. IF there are a limited number of resources, we have to start looking at the best use of them.

3. WE _HAVE_TO_ hire/elect people that will use resources wisely and thoughtfully. Otherwise the soup will taste bad, there will be more peasants.

This is not about parties, this is about selfishness and stupidity.

Either you get some people running the country that aren't into caste based decision making or everything is going to taste bad pretty soon.

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

good a last point: In the old days, 1950 and before, f*cking up was largely absorbed due to the relatively large areas of undeveloped resources and lower population. Nowdays small things can cause an avalanche of threatening conditions...economically, climatewise and resource wise...

Selfish, thoughtless, uncaring people can not be allowed to control governments.

Do something about it. end bushCO and CRONYISM...._PERMANENTLY_

hold them responsbible.

Posted by: hello propagandists....wanna dance? | August 12, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

when someone is about to have their a** handed to them, one way of being defensive is to attack...

look,

real offense doesn't waste time with defense...bushCO and CRONYs have been on offense since pre 2000...

sh*tting on Clinton, taking Gore down via electoral fraud, and using polarization, demagoguery and pre-election coup planning with great efficiency...

9/11 happens DHS, and the National Intelligence agency spring up to take the over from CIA/FBI, FEMA/INS

oversight becomes a "historical phrase," because it doesn't exist...

NCLB act is passed 7 months before 9/11, that requires _all_ high schools to send contact information for all graduating seniors to the Selective Service BOARD...DRAFT may be imminent.

QWEST, as many of you have learned over the weekend was approached by NSA six [6] MONTHS BEFORE 9/11 to start the NSA SPYING PROGRAM....they refused and the NSA pulled several multimillion dollar contracts and QWEST tanked....pure offense on the administrations part...


On Iran and WW3, I'm unaware of any offensive inclination that country has. No one is suggesting it plans to invade anyone. Nuclear weapons would be used for defense.

quite right, and it's a moot point since they are so hopelessly out gunned...


bushCO and CRONYs are looking for the draft, to pull their economic a**es out of the fire...

with a draft and the country believing that "we the people," have no choice....they can pump IRAQ dry, continue the BILLION DOLLAR DRUG TRAFFICKING and complete the TRANSAFGHANISTAN PIPELINE THROUGH AFGHANISTAN....

and start running RUSSIAN NATURAL GAS THROUGH THE NORTH OF CANADA W/O PERMISSION...via TANKER

listen closely....

and start running RUSSIAN NATURAL GAS THROUGH THE NORTH OF CANADA W/O PERMISSION...via TANKER,

they are going to claim that Canadian Territory doesn't belong to Canada and start running tankers through the region with no regard to the future of that area...as in "wilderness area," invaded by commercial vessels that pretend to have the nations best interests at heart...

NSA, FBI, F*ck, insidious, dangerous, Interpol, Nastanchynhia, Kerol, greb, aggresion, CIA, alto plano.

.


Posted by: remember when.... | August 12, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

There once was an Iowa Treasure
cranky beyond any measure.
It thought someone big
interfered with its gig
and it squealed like stuck pig.

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 12, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama lacks American roots?
I let you be the judge, Democrats.

Posted by: pete | August 12, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Let's hear it for Obama-Richardson '08!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The democratic primary is full of drama
With a candidate named Hillary and one named Obama

It will be a sin
if the Clinton did win
Too bad the other name rhymes with Osama

Posted by: iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

So when one night the time was right

She laid her trump-cards down

The winds of fate that blew of late

Would turn the tide around

The G-O-P had ceased to be

In power any more

For that is why she did not try

In twenty, zero, four.

*

Her soul assured, she gave the word

To let the fight begin

She made advance, there’d be no chance

That some one else could win

The early states would vote at rates,

So close she could not lose:

She thought no foe could raise the dough

To quench the lighted fuse

*

And just in case it was a race

She had another plan

With nought to lose, she still could use

Her loyal, cheating, man

He’d yell insults to get results

By slinging lots of mud

While she stood back and dodged the flack,

As if she wore no blood

*

And more than that, she filled her hat

With superdelegates

Who backed her run by two-to-one

And helped her hedge her bets

The people’s bane would help maintain

Her aristocracy

These democrats could call the match

Undemocratic’ly

*

With all this done she soaked up sun

And tried to part the clouds

Her soul was bared as if she cared

About the thronging crowds

With moistened eyes and gentle sighs

She basked in all the talk

But on her mount she did not count

On good old black Barack

Posted by: iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

So I get this crazy idea
That I'll eat dog
I mean we all get crazy ideas
Now and then
Let them pass
But this was attainable
Maybe something to do
With an old Thai
Girlfriend who said
Dog tastes good
I don't know
So I went out back
And fired up the ol'
Barbeque and then drove off–
Couldn't be a dog I know
Or a type of dog I like,
But not a poodle
Hate 'em so much
Couldn't even eat one
And found, out chasing
Butterflies waiting for the end
Of school, a cool pooch
Enticed him into the backseat
All waggy and slobbery
To have somebody to play with
And drove him home
And found the sword
My dad's dad had
Some souvenir from WW2
And chopped it's head off–
Funny sound–a shudder
Skinned the thing
With my fishing knife
Hacked off a steak-like chunk
Below the ribs
Threw it on the grill
Turned it once
Grabbed a plate a knife
A fork and dug in–
Not bad.

Posted by: iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

He looks like Einstein's mentally ill identical twin.
She sits next to him.
They imagine a credo to live by,
then stop thinking:
Science is decorative;
Nature is functional.
He says to her, "I was a whale once
who swallowed you by mistake–
why did you burn my insides with your lantern.
What was there to see but flesh and darkness, as if we were making love?"

Posted by: iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Hi

Posted by: bob whats his name | August 12, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

To "Gaias Child"

It's horrible because Obama is probably privately laughing that he fooled so many. If you think he isn't the master power broker (or striving to become one) and as politically calculating as the rest of 'em, you're deluded.

It is unfortunate because your fears are real and valid. Obama is just not the magic bullet. In fact, he's worse because he pretends to be above the fray and that makes the betrayal worse.

Posted by: Same game | August 12, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Wait...wait...I'm having a thought...

Obama-Carville! Could it *possibly* be worse than Bush - Cheney?

Carville can smile using both sides of his mouth - and my studies of past vice presidents suggest that this is a desireable quality in a veep.

He could probably intimidate Russians, too, if it came to that. He can surely scare the pants off Republicans....

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 12, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

If Mark Penn were a starting NFL quarterback, his team would have zero wins and a bazillion losses in games he started, though they'd have won the occasional preseason game.

It's amazing to me that this guy can still find work at the national level. I guess he beats Carville in a beauty contest, though just barely, and depending how tolerant you are of unearned fat.

Posted by: OfficerMancuso | August 12, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Mark Penn's the reason she was stumping around saying "I will take care of you," while Obama was saying "We can do this together." Between the time Mark Penn "stepped down" and her campaign was over, Mark Penn earned another just almost 2.5 million. He's apparently got needs too. Her candidacy demonstrated very poor judgment because there's been a generational shift from that Karl Rove I can undermine you and destroy you stuff to here's Mother Earth's last chance to have a noble government with integrity and collaboration in the place of greed and selfishness. I can say that and I'm a person with needs, aging, terrified of no insurance, and inspired and appreciative of Obama's candidacy. The Clintons never noticed how much their power brokering was out of time. But she can still get there. She can run with John McCain. That's how she can get there.

Posted by: Gaias Child | August 12, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Clinton lost 11 straight elections after Super Tuesday. She even later lost Texas 99 to 94 delegates, and was quoted as saying she didnt understand the Texas complexities. I can explain them precisely.

She has demonstrated her managerial incompetence.

Let's move on. Its time for Clinton to clean up the jealous spin that Obama may not pick a woman over Clinton. She has to say to her supporters, Obama can pick a woman,if he wishes.
PS There are many women who have more experience than HRC.
PPS BEING FIRST LADY DOES NOT COUNT. Falling in love with a first lady is precious, and oft repeated, but being FIrst Lady is about being someone's wife.


Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 12, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Wow Kuilor,

You really showed us how wrong we were to call you a racist.I'd like to call you a piece of work, but you're pretty much a piece of something else.

Posted by: Time to go Conservos | August 12, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse


This blather that Edwards cost Clinton the win is so pathetic. Similar to the control freaks that say Obama should not pick another woman because the Clintons would feel bad.
Gee, isnt the party first? Doesnt Clinton really want women to succeed? Is is really about HER?

She needs to speak out TODAY and say, YES, it would be GREAT if OBAMA picks one of the several WONDERFUL other woman candidates. I know that Bill has baggage that is considered a potential problem and I want to see another woman as VP if I cannot be the one.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

How Hillary ran her campaign is actually no one's business.

Posted by: Kha | August 12, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the level of nastiness here makes me cringe. No wonder this country's in such a mess. Maybe we should point to ourselves when asking how we can make this country better. No one has all the answers -- that's why it's important to listen to differing views.

Posted by: Brad | August 12, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

All I have to do is read this comment board and any doubts I had about an Obama win totally evaporate. Are Republicans ever going to grow up? Their level of discourse is about what I expect of 10 years olds on a playground.

Posted by: Rob | August 12, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Tater,

I appreciate your desire, but comeon, try harder with your spelling. Not:

son of a b!t#@ racist!

Rather

son-of-a-b!t@# racist!

I know I'm being a tad picky, but we've got certain standards here. STANDARDS!!!

Posted by: IndyMac-Pendant | August 12, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

OhReally,

So I guess Buffett and Gates are Republicans.

The original quote comes from W. Churchill who said anyone younger than 30 who isn't a liberal has no heart, anyone older than 30 who isn't a conservative has no brain.

The problem is neither Rep or Dem are conservative and neither party certainly has a brain.

QED.

Posted by: IndyMac-Pendant | August 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Kuilor:

I'm glad that Obummer made you take a look and then you woke up and find out that you really are an arrogant son of a b!t#@ racist!

Posted by: Tater | August 12, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Keesa.

Buy some credibility. Learn to spell, construct a proper sentence and use lower case letters.

BTW,Republicans are just Democrats who grew up and got some money.

Posted by: OhReally | August 12, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

To Hussein,
Hey Hussein, real quickly, take that anger that you feel a few inches below your chin, ball up your fist real tight,and swing right across your face. do this twice a day, and well, feel better.
Besides if you care so much, why aren't you running for President? couldn't cut it? wouldn't cut it?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Sanity,

Again and again you speak truth to power. McCain should stop pretending to be McCain and Obama should show his true Alien scales. Forget X-files. Obama reminds me of that 1984 TV Series "V."

Sanity you remind me of the Mercinary Ham Tyler in "V" who fights against the Nazi-like reign of the "Visitors." I think Obama is one of those lizard-like beings, disguised as humans, from another planet.

You keep bring it sharp and hard Sanity, sharp and hard. The resistance will follow your stong hand and level-headed leadership.

Posted by: IowaTreasure | August 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

where all these HUSSEIN lovers come from, u remind me off the zomies coming out from holes/cracks; u do hate hilly, and anybody else, except ur prophet, The Hussein;
what a bunch of sickos..., all are idiots except hussein; ask him to coach the softball team, not lead the country...
Hussein == Wizard of Oz
nough said...

Posted by: HUSSEIN | August 12, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

To Kessa,

What?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I use to be a regular guy. Now I'm a racist. All thanks to Obummer. I would vote for that jig-a-boo if you gave me a hundred dollar bill at the voting booth.

Now that I've been told to have a conversation about race, I've noticed how uneducated, low-brow, and just plain 'seek-to-shock' the blakcs around me really are.

I never really paid attention to that stuff before. But Obummer told me to look, and after looking, I noticed the blacks act like n!gg3rs.

Posted by: Kuilor | August 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

COME ON AMERICA WE LET THE REPUBLICANS RUN TO MANY GAMES ON US TO MANY TIME IF PEOPLE CANT SEE THAT, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING THEY WOULD VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HILLARY LOST, THEIR THOSE SAME REPUBLICANS THAT VOTED IN THE PRIMARYS TO PUSH HILLARY OVER SO MCCAIN CAN HAVE A BETTER CHANCE AT WINNING. THEY HAVE REPUBLICANS POSING AS DEMOCRATES TO STIR UP DIVISIVE AN THE PARTY. THATS ALL REPUBLICAN DO IS MIND MUNIPULATE THE MINDLESS AND UNEDUCATED VOTERS.THEY ALL ARE A BUNCH OF SCHEMERS LYING DOGS THAT PLAYS ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FEAR AN THATS VERY SPOOKY TO BE THAT WAY. AMERICA YOU BETTER WAKE UP BECAUSE WHY NOW WE ARE WINNING IN IRAQ, WHY GAS PRICES ARE BEING MESS WITH.THATS ONE OF THERE MUNIPUATIVE GAMES WHY RIGHT NOW THEY WANT TO DRILL WHY THEY DIDNT WORRY ABOUT DRILLING WHEN GAS REACH $3.00 A GALLON BUT NOW THEY WANTS TO DRILL AND THEY KNOW ITS NOT GOING TO SAVE A DIME.IM SUPRISE WE DIDNT HAVE ANOTHER TERROR ATTACK YET BUT THEY BLEW THAT SCHEM BECAUSE AMERICA CAUGHT ON TO THAT ONE QUICK. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF LOW LIFE WAR MONGERS OIL SCHEMERS WHO TRYS TO HOLD THE POOR UNDER THERE FEET WHAT THE POWER THEY HAVE. SO AMERICA YOU BETTER LOOK BEYOND THE COLOR OF SOMEONE SKIN AN USE YOUR OWN MIND AN DONT THUGS HOLD YOU DOWN I KNOW HOW THE GAMES ARE PLAY I ONCE WERE A REPUBLICAN TO AN I FEEL BAD FOR THE WAY I ACTED.

Posted by: KEESA | August 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Hillary was dead meat when Obama came along, it has nothing to do with the quality of her campaign or her advisors. I know many rich democrats and the idea of voting for a bi-racial candidate per se makes them really believe that they are good people, i.e. non-racist, open-minded, and any other hyphenated liberal wet dream descriptors you can think of. As if...

Posted by: Go Figger | August 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I think the fundamental problem for Hillary was that she is simply not an executive.
Many took for granted that because she was first lady and helped with her husband's campaigns that she automatically was a natural executive and could run a campaign or the country without a problem.
Some people are bureaucrats. They are good at the day to day paperwork type stuff and excel.
That doesn't mean they are good leaders or executives.
I think Hillary falls into this catagory.
As a wonk. A bureaucrat, she knew the technical side of policy and felt she knew what she could do to solve problems. However, the presidency is an executive position.
She would probably be an excellent cabinet person but, just not the one delagating, making the hard decisions, ect.
That doesn't take away from her ability. It's just we all are good at certain things and not so good at others.

Posted by: vwcat | August 12, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Change = To make different from now. To become different.

How could Democrats not be for change if their base ideology is DIFFERENT than that of the Republicans?

Many of the name-calling arguments against Obama's "Change" wording, stems from the fear of change.

However, many American's agree that we need change in some fashion. The manufacturing base of the United States has been outsourced, the economy is falling, and we are on the cusp of an energy crisis.

Do we vote for the same party ideologies that have been in the presidential seat for the last eight years that obviously have not helped this country prosper? Or do we vote for new ideas, new procedures, and new faces to run our country?

Posted by: Mike | August 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

What's the point of pretending to be one of the candidates?

Posted by: Sanity | August 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

People please refrain from negative comments against Senator Clinton, Senator Obama, and each other. Let's keep this civilized.

If you want to know what I really believe in, then I'll tell you.

First of all Obama is just a celebrity; when I appear on David Letterman and Saturday Night Live I am busy taking care of the "people's business."

I am sick and tired of wasting money on Social Programs we need that damn money for war! Why should Americans get any of that money.

Rich people should NOT be paying taxes; that is the underclass population's responsibility.

Let's get public funding straight. The government should pay for my campaign that is public funding. Obama gets the public to fund his campaign that is NOT public funding that is ... well it is not public funding I can tell you that.

Every drug dealer should be executed. If states won't execute then I will. Bush was a shining example of how to execute people in Texas. This nonsense about lethal injection being cruel will end when I order one thousand new slow cooking electric chairs and if a state won't use those let them use a rope strung from a tree.

Poor people do not deserve health care. The working poor do not deserve health care. Don't you understand that both the doctors and pharmaceutical companies would get less money if everyone were able to see a doctor when they were ill.

I believe illegal aliens should be shot at the border. I know I changed my position on this issue but that is NOT flip-flopping; I just changed my mind after I met with the dominant conservatives during my campaign.

Abortions, don't even get me started. Men need to make the decisions on what women can and cannot do with their bodies. Men understand these things. It is not womens fault they do not know any better. God said men should have dominion over women. I'll make sure we get Supreme Court justices that know what women need so as not to burden them with difficult decisions.

No Stem Cell research.

Kids must pray at the beginning of every class to a Christian God; there is no other God.

Environmentalists are all crazy. I support Bush's efforts in the past couple of days to let other agencies, NOT the EPA to determine if anything done is bad for the environment. As a matter of fact let corporations make the rules they love our land, air and water as much as any other citizen.

Thank you America for giving me the opportunity to lead this great nation.

John McCain

Posted by: John McCain | August 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama won, One Word: ORGANIZATION

There was an article this week that compared McCAin and Obama's offices....y'know what they found out, that McCain likes comfort over function and piles over files....details are not too big and emotions are always leading...sounds like BUSH!!

obama's desk was more organized with memorabelia on the walls, everything had a place and the colors were well picked....translation, he considers everything and decides with a steady head and cares about details....

This is a small example but his campaign is historic not because he is the first african-american nominee, but because of its organization.....he went from nobody to nominee in 18 months...he holds more rallies, town hall meetings, press conferences, sends more emails, text messages and video's from his campaign than anyone else......he is in touch with all the issues and has an awesome team to back him up....

The DEMS are united and they are empowered with Obama's team

Posted by: Oregon4Obama | August 12, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Except spelling and grammer, because I can't figure out the difference between your, and you're. Alas, the complexities of written English.

Posted by: IndyMac-Pendant | August 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

hillary, her staff and her supporters were so smug and arrogant going forward. that's why it is so enjoyable to watch her get herass handed to her, and then to employ underhanded tactics to try to sabotage the nominee. think you're so smart, smartest woman in the world, what a joke. hillary clinton, you are a loser.

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Zach,

Alright you upstart, you name the issue. Your 19 (old enough to smoke, breed and vote). Let's see how well you actually think. What issue is important, and why?

Posted by: IndyMac-Pendant | August 12, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

the kids on the playground have a new word. when someone drops an easy fly ball or something like that they say "He pulled a hillary." Ah hahahahaha let's face it, Hillary Clinton, you are a loser. hillar=loser ah hahahahahahaha

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

But it is so fun to give such self-righteous, smug idiots a hard time.

If a Hillary supporter feels that she would be better off voting for McCain, then when McCain annoints the next two Supreme Court Justices, Angry Hillary Voter can explain to her daughter that she voted for McCain and that's why all her daughter now has to wear an Alabama-made Burkha.

I'm enough of an elitest that I figure if they really can't figure THAT simple equation out, I'd prefer they (either Dem or Rep) just stay far away from the voting booth.

Posted by: IndyMac-Pendant | August 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 4:57 PM
we've been putting up with Republicans for 28 years since 1968.


Perhaps its because the Republicans have represented America better than the Democrats. :)

Posted by: billr | August 12, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The sad part is people believe they can be given "Hope" and "Change" as if it is candy. Obama is not a leader and never will be.

Posted by: Scott | August 12, 2008 4:26 PM
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No doubt about it, Scott; you're a genius and have divined the core truth Obama's been trying so hard to hide from you. Of course, to come to that conclusion, you've simply ignored his history of excellent policy and staff decisions, the fact that he's run arguably the finest campaign in American history, and even-tempered approach to every challenge; but thank you for your perspicacious observation about Obama's leadership abilities....

Posted by: abqcleve | August 12, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"Don't you Obama supporters realize that when you talk trash to Clinton supporters, you just give them more reason not to support Barack. Its just what the Republicans want.

Posted by: billr | August 12, 2008 4:19 PM"

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No, billr, they don't realize it because they are not Democrats, they are cultists. I have been voting for every Democrat since 1976, but the party is in suspension due to Obamania. We can wait for 2012; we've been putting up with Republicans for 28 years since 1968.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

You all are so childish. I am 19 and I feel I have a better grasp on the issues at hand than any of you. I don't mean to sound arrogant but gosh, it's no wonder we elected Bush twice.

Posted by: Zach | August 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Uneducated Slander = a perfect representation of American political dialogue in the 21st Century.

We have become a nation of trash-talking bigots who demand our politicians lie to us, and then become fixated over the patriotism found in a pin (vs the real sacrifices made by honorable men).

We are infants-terrible.

Our mothers should have spanked us all a little harder when we were younger.

Posted by: IndyMac-Pendant | August 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

OUCH, first step. Quit shouting.

Posted by: pegleg | August 12, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Mike, haven't you not figured out that everything on this thread is nothing but uneducated slander.

Posted by: blackmike | August 12, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

WE'RE ALL DEMOCRAT'S PLEASE PEOPLE ACT LIKE IT. IF YOUR STATE TEAM DON'T WIN WOULD YOU ALL ACT THE SAME. I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE IF THEY CAN'T TAKE THE RESULTS. FAIR IS FAIR. YOU HILLARY SUPPORTERS ACT LIKE YOU WOULD TEACH YOUR CHILDREN TO BE SORE LOSERS. INSTEAD OF LEARNING FROM YOUR LOST TO BE A WINNER OR A BETTER POSITION THE NEXT TIME. "UNITE THE PARTY" OBAMA VOTERS WOULD HAVE SUCKED IT UP AND VOTED FOR HILLARY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT YOU PEOPLE. JUST LET IT GO AND GOBAMA.

Posted by: first step | August 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

iowatreasures - By not providing evidence (examples, quotes, paraphrases, otherwise, proof) for your claims, your arguments could be seen as nothing but uneducated slander.

You would consciously vote for the same ideologies that have hurt this country, because you feel wronged that Obama won and Hillary did not. Get over it.

Whom ever you vote for, please make an educated decision not an impulsive or emotional one.

Btw - Its obvious which comments you made, and which ones were made for you. The FBI and Washington Post mods will do nothing but laugh like I have.

Posted by: Mike | August 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't you Obama supporters realize that when you talk trash to Clinton supporters, you just give them more reason not to support Barack. Its just what the Republicans want.

Posted by: billr | August 12, 2008 4:19 PM
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Clinton supporters have already imagined all the reasons they want or need to vote for McCain. They just hang out the prospect of support so Obama will give them another opportunity to embarrass him even more. Chelsea?!! The girl HRC said she wouldn't exploit? I hope they have her on after Michelle Obama or there won't be any viewers left to see her speech.

Bottom line: Clinton's campaign is still in debt and time is running out. She needs all the free ads she can get. Her lower class constituency can't pay the freight so she's come, hat in hand, to beg from the upper-class, educated constituents whose interests she ran against in the spring.

I'll be watching MLB that night.

Posted by: gbooksdc | August 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

But thanks for validating the last 5 minutes of lunch before I return to my Cube.

Posted by: IowaTreasured | August 12, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Neither. Mainly boredom, lunch and diet cokes. And the absurdity of this blog. I love it. It's like a Samuel Beckett play.

Posted by: IowaTreasured | August 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The Edwards scandal would have polarized Iowans on the issue of gender. Exit polls showed Edwards's supporters breaking toward Obama mostly and some to Clinton, but that was in the absence of yet another sex scandal.

If Iowans had seen how easily it is to destroy a male candidacy with a bimbo eruption, then Hillary would have been the only safe choice. So Wolfson's statements aren't patently moronic.

Since the scandal was known before Johnny E got in, and never erupted until Obama secured the nomination, it presents an intriguing sub-plot to the 08 nomination battle.

Posted by: Kacoo | August 12, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Wow, is that drugs? or mental issues?

Posted by: Sanity | August 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Sanity,

I've seen the light and have decided to become rational.

I will go call Mulder and Scully and tell them that the Cigarrete Smoking Man should leave you alone. You are one of the good ones. The rational ones. Remember, Trust No One. The Truth is in Iowa.

Deep Throat will be thrilled. Please spread the word that Obama is the first of a new breed of Alien that is trying to populate Hawaii, take the LSAT, and attend Harvard Law after the 1947 Roswell Crash.

God help us al...........

Posted by: IowaTreasured | August 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"WE WIN WOMAN, LOWER CLASSES AND DEMOCRATS... WE ARE THE CANDIDATE OF PEOPLE WITH NEEDS." WITH THIS TYPE OF HYPE I'M SURPRISED THAT HILARY DIDN'T CAMPAIGN IN TRAILER PARKS...HER PANT SUITS WOULD HAVE FITTED RIGHT IN.

GET OVER IT SHE LOST THE PRIMARY, PROBABLY RUINED HER CAREER, LOST ANY DEMOCRATIC ALLIES SHE MAY HAVE HAD, CRUSHED HER HUSBANDS LEGACY AND USED HER DAUGHTER AND MOTHER AS SHILLS. ONCE HER TERM IN CONGRESS IS UP SHE WILL BE LUCKY IF SHE CAN GET ELECTED DOGCATCHER.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

If you want real change vote for Bob Barr. For those former Clinton supporters, he has experience, and in recent years has shown a wilingness to work with Americans all across the ideological spectrum, plus HRC's brother said he might vote for him. For Obama supporters, Obama has never said anything remotly resembling constitionalism, well maybe at first on the PATRIOT Act and FISA but look at how quick he changed that tune. If you really want a return to constitutional government, change, and an end to the war vote Barr. For McCain supporters we all know McCain is just another big government conservative, and the GOP is just going to try to frighten us again with the "McGovern Liberal" boogeyman again like in 2004, show the GOP that they need to stay true to their base vote Barr 2008.

Posted by: Alexander | August 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Change is for cowards who can't face the harsh realities of dealing with problems at hand.

Change is for democrats to bang a drum over and never change anything nor face the problems head on.

The sad part is people believe they can be given "Hope" and "Change" as if it is candy. Obama is not a leader and never will be.

Posted by: Scott | August 12, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I'll give the Clintom campaign credit for having the guts to release this. Over at the GOP, they just "lose" emails.

Posted by: pegleg | August 12, 2008 3:57 PM
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Although your observation re: the GOP's email "retention" is apropos, I think you're giving Clinton more credit than is due: these were more or less leaked, not released out of any sense of altruism.

See http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200808u/clinton-memos

Posted by: abqcleve | August 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Not that I'm a fan of illegal immigration, but **the fact** is illegal immigrants are NOW currently participating in our SS system.

Many illegals are paying it (through FICA taxes), and not taking anything out. That is actually one small benefit of illegal immigration.

I'd love to see a citation where B. Obama actually proposes letting people illegal residents pull out SS benefits when they are ready to retire in South Beach.

Come on I dare ya!

Posted by: Anti-Skeptic | August 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

What is it about the anonymity of a computer that makes people act so childish.I'm hoping that those posting on here acting like children are children, because if not, well, ah, why go in to it,I know you don't understand.

Posted by: Sanity | August 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't you Obama supporters realize that when you talk trash to Clinton supporters, you just give them more reason not to support Barack. Its just what the Republicans want.

Posted by: billr | August 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

People please refrain from negative comments against Senator Clinton, Senator McCain, and each other. Let's keep this civilized.

If you want to know what I really believe in, then I'll tell you.

I am the most liberal Senator in the US Senate, and am proud of it. Don't get angry when right wing conservatives say this. Afterall, I am.

I don't believe drug dealers should have harsh penalties. We have more serious issues to deal with.

I believe in partial birth abortions, even into the 9th month.

I believe in Universal Health Care for all Americans, no matter how much it costs. Higher taxes, even if they are significant, is what we should be willing to pay to get this benefit.

I believe illegal aliens should be allowed to participate in our Social Security System.

I believe illegal aliens should be able to get state driver's licenses.

I believe higher gas prices will promote the adoption of cleaner alternative fuels. It will be expensive, but we'll have a cleaner environment for it. And if you can't afford the higher gas prices, I'll raise taxes to give you money to help you pay for it.

Thank you America for giving me the opportunity to lead this great nation.

Barack Obama

Posted by: Barack Obama | August 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"What did Penn mean when he said "Save it for 2050."

I think it's quite obvious that Penn meant the country wasn't ready for an "ethnic" president until 2050. That goes along with his notion that the country wouldn't vote for an "ethnic" person in a time of war. Stand up guy huh?

What I found funny was the rush to put out a smear campaign in Iowa after HRC went balistic on her campaing staff for mucking things up there prior to the primary. The campaign then put out an "I gotcha" piece showing Obama was a power hungry for the presidency. The gotcha proof, a paper Obama wrote when he was six titled, "I Want To Become President." LOL!

Then HRC called Solis to come in and fix the mess. Too little too late at that point. That didn't stop her from blaming Solis for losing Iowa and firing her. Now Solis is accused of being a traitor. What a mess the Clinton world must be to live in.

Posted by: clamb11 | August 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the best! He speaks TRUTH, about CHANGE, and for ALL. He is as American as they get. Have you guys even heard him? When he came to my high school I knew America was gonan get better

Posted by: Obamamaniac | August 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

He may have won the nomination but I won't vote for him... sorry, this keeps getting played out over and over again. He just doesn't have what it takes to be president and no it has nothing to do with what color he is. i'm not sure what shade he is any longer he flip flops daily

Posted by: whatever | August 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I love how everyone keeps saying that Clinton strategist lost the campaign. If she chose the wrong people to run her campaign do we want her in the White House?

She had people on her payroll who have run a nationwide campaign before and a husband who is a former President and she still lost - humm. Obama BEAT HER, repeat after me Obama won because HE BEAT her.

This is another way to try to diminish Obama's win.

MSN Obama WON!!!

Posted by: Obama Won | August 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"We are the candidate of people with needs,"

Wow. You HRC supporters must feel kinda awkward/stupid right now. no offense to HRC obviously but mark penn is a messed up guy.

Posted by: Mike D | August 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Hello I'm very stupid. very very stupid. very very very stupid. please im going crazy i need to vote for the first white man i see. so much diversity i can't stand it....

McWhiteguy '08

Posted by: iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that Obama gets linked with the Most Liberal Senator tag by the right (ala Nat. Journal) but the methodology they use just so happens to fit whichever Democrat is running for President during that 4 year stretch. In 2003 it was Kerry, in 1999 it was Gore.

The National Journal's rating of Obama is based on only some, not all, of his votes. By contrast, a highly respected vote study by political science professors Keith Poole and Jeff Lewis, which uses every non-unanimous vote cast by every legislator to determine his or her relative ideology, ranked Obama as tied with Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) as the 10th "most liberal" senator in 2007.

Come on people are you that uninformed and sheepish. I don't care if you are right or left, but comeon at least THINK.

Lies, Damn Lies, and National Journal Statistics.

Posted by: Indymac-Pendant | August 12, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The aricle says

"All of these articles about his boyhood in Indonesia and his life in Hawaii are geared towards showing his background is diverse, multicultural and putting that in a new light," Penn wrote. "Save it for 2050."

What did Penn mean when he said "Save it for 2050."

Posted by: Peter Stanford | August 12, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

So, is losing e-mails like losing the boxes that disappeared from the White House when Vincent Foster died.

Posted by: freddie mac | August 12, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Listen,(or in this case Read)
Come Nov. I'm begging everyone out there to vote, not based on what party you think you are a part of(what really makes a party so important?), not based on someone's apperance,not based on someone's background, I beg you all to please make an educated vote(I know, we actually have to think)thats based on cold hard facts. Oh and remember, the president is nothing more than a figure head of the administration they are brining in, so in Nov. you're not voting for a president, your voting for an administration.

Posted by: Sanity | August 12, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

DO YOU HEAR ME - THE FBI!

THE GHOST OF J. EDGAR HOOVER IS BURNING HIS BRA RIGHT NOW!

Posted by: iowatreasure | August 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse


Right Roy: people like you are the reason Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama. You are nutcases. And we ain't just women. We are also, white, working-class, and/or old, and we vote, we don't just blog about voting.

Posted by: Chicago1 | August 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

There are 27,000,000,000 paid Obama control freaks trolling the internet to take down pages and articles that tell the truth about Obama - like all those posts about him being a terrorist. Clearly that is true!

There are a few of those paid Obama Control Freak Rats on here using my name to say stupider things than I do! It may be funny to you, but there are 18,000,000,000,000,000 people who don't like you and don't find any humor in your sharp-elbow, dishonest tactics to win this election.

We despise you - one and all.

-John McCain

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I'll give the Clintom campaign credit for having the guts to release this. Over at the GOP, they just "lose" emails.

Posted by: pegleg | August 12, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary"???

How can this be?

Other than: Oh boo hooo hooo, Hillary lost and it's that b*stard Obama's fault. Oh boo hoo hoo We'll show that bas*ard we women have a voice. We'll vote for his misogynist opponent. Yeah that makes total sense. There's nothing emotional or irrational about our scorn. That will vindicate Hillary! Oh boo hooo hooo hooo.

Posted by: Roy | August 12, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

A friend is one who has the same enemies as you have.
Abraham Lincoln

http://www.votenic.com

Posted by: Brandon | August 12, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures: Re: "Barack Obama, Sr., is 87.5% Arab - and Barack Obama, Jr., is 47.5% Arab. He calls himself black to confuse everyone. Which was a big, fat lie." You have serious mental issues. His father is Black and a Muslim. He isn't an Arab, or of Semitic background. How you make that leap, is beyond me? He is 1/2 Black and 1/2 White. Which is meaningless, unless you're a bigot. We've had every president except 1 (JFK), who were all Protestant and White. Our current sitting president is a messianic born again Christian, who has probably been our worst in over 100 years. I'm so sick of this crap, I wouldn't care if we elected a Black Jew like Sammy Davis, Jr. I live in the most bigoted and racially divided state in the deep South, and I've heard this dribble for over 60 years and I'm tired of it. I'm so sick of it, I volunteered to help elect Obama for president. He wasn't my choice in the beginning, but I can't see another 4 years of McSame! I'm a Viet Vet, and he doesn't represent my values in the least. I want a president with a sharp mind, and progressive ideas. I'm sick of living in the past, and want to see cobwebs cleared. Kenya is Black and many are Muslim, and not Arabs! The breakdown of religious affiliations in Kenya: Protestant 45%, Roman Catholic 25%, Islam 10%, Other Traditional Religions 10%. Maybe you and Miss South Carolina need to get together and look at some maps! Just vote GOP and keep your lunacy to yourself. Of course, there's Prozac.

Posted by: Sean L. | August 12, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Oops, we made a mistake. IowaTreasures has been wrongly accused. Certainly we would never restrict his account without due process. Wll, maybe not never, perhaps 90% of the time anyway - and that's pretty good for us. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Posted by: WashPost Moderator | August 12, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Nny, I'd agree with you that neither of the candidates are the best choice for either party.

A. I find your use of the word "fanatic" interesting. What's interesting is that the "right" has become the ultra-right, or radical-right or "fanatical" right. But its not the right who's moved further right, they've always been in the same place. They just seem ultra, or radical, or fanatical, as the left has moved further to the left. What Consider that Obama was the most liberal Senator in the US Senate in 2007. That's the real Obama.

B) And you say you take higher taxes, but that's just a election year defense. The fact is no one wants higher taxes, period. And I'd like to believe they'd go to health care and education, but they won't. Not by themselves. We tried universal health care here in TN (Al Gore's state version of Hillary Clinton's model)and it almost bankrupted the state. And Obama wants the same thing. Universal healcare, or socialized medicine, they're both the same.

and C) speaking of gas, and taxes, Obama wants to raise taxes so he can give us a rebate for the high price of gas that he supports. Why doesn't he just try increasing supply which will lower prices, instead of collecting taxes to pay for the high gas prices.

Posted by: gnash | August 12, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dave, that's fine, I cancelled your vote out anyways.

Posted by: To Dave | August 12, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Reading WaPo, you sometimes forget how enjoyable good journalism can be (or that it is still practiced). Josh Green's article is first-rate. I cannot help but marvel at this: "On March 4, as Ohio and Texas were voting, the advisers, who now included senior strategist Doug Hattaway, circulated another memo formalizing what they now called the “Florigan Plan.” Absent a revote, the memo warned, “we cannot secure enough delegates to win; we cannot overtake him; the math simply doesn’t work … it is imperative that we provide … a clear and tenable answer to the single most important question we face.”"

"The math simply doesn't work". From a Clinton campaign operative, in early March. Wasn't that what Obama supporters were saying, and what Clinton and her supporters were denying?

(The article also points out that HRC was her own best adviser. Hitler was also his own best general, FWIW.)

And as for iowa treasures: I've never posted under anyone's signature but my own. My point is simply this: you have consistently abused the comments boards at WaPo.com. You have posted off point, you have not "commented" on an article, and you endorsed svreader's spamming where he would post the same message over 100 times, simply because the article referenced the campaign. You were not sanctioned, to my knowledge. Now you want others sanctioned for "abuse." I don't endorse the act, but it's pretty cheeky for you to be outraged under those conditions.

BTW, if the WaPo is "blocking out your comments", how could you post the same? Unless you have multiple signons? And who would do THAT, but someone who themselves operates under multiple identities? Hopefully WaPo will get more sophisticated and block IP addys, not by sign-on.

Posted by: gbooksdc | August 12, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's a quick warning to all y'all tards:

I've officially copyrighted the both the word Iowa and Treasure (past and future tenses, possessives, and other iterations too). Iowa's Treasures belongs to me. Iowa. IowaTreasured.

Treasure Island was my idea.

They are all mine. The annointed 144,000 and Sony Bono keep telling me I own these names until the Big JC comes back in all his glory to Northern Iowa.

- gw

Posted by: IowaTreasures | August 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Some of you people are just nuts. Save the blogs for those who want to have a dialog rather than your rants. iowatreasures sounds like a serial killer getting ready to start a killing spree.

Posted by: Jethro | August 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of what Mark Penn says or writes ........

Regardless of where Senator Obama was born, raised, lived or who his parents were/are ........

Under *NO* circumstance will I vote for Sen. O. in Nov.

Posted by: Dave | August 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Barack Obama, Sr., is 87.5% Arab - and Barack Obama, Jr., is 47.5% Arab."

What about 3.8% Cherokee Indian, 1.3% Jewish, 5.67% Shi'ite...??? And how are you so expert you can derive these numbers to a tenth of a percent?

Your silly post is 100% stupid.

Posted by: Alan | August 12, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures has been kicked indefinitely until she gets a life or finds a guy willing to nail her...preferably a black guy.

Posted by: WashPost Moderator | August 12, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the voices in my head stop?
Why does my reflection looks so good?
Where is that little nymph Echo?
Why doesn't J. Edgar return my phone calls or my dress?
Why mother why?

Posted by: Iowastreasures | August 12, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

GOP Republican McCentury McCain is a weak nominee who lacks the intelligence to receive the 3:00 am call.

Americans are tired of corruption from McBush and his super rich Wall Street Robber Barons.
Stop Corporate Welfare.
Stop CEO Welfare.
Stop Millionaire Welfare.
Stop the rich from outsourcing American jobs.
Stop giving Golden Parachutes to the Rich for outsourcing American jobs.
Stop the Rich from using Our Public Offices for Private Ill Gotten Gains.
Stop the Rich from stealing Our National Treasury.
Stop the Rich from eroding Our Constitutional Rights
Stop the Rich (McBush, Cheney, Rice, McCain) from selling Our America to Saudi Arabia, China, India) in the name of outsourcing American jobs, selling American Banks, selling bulk shares of key corporations.

Super capitalistic privileged C- students with no business running a hotdog stands are illegally placed in the highest positions because of their ill gotten wealth.

Greed and stupidity are destroying Our Country and it must stop.

America must get back to moral decency, family values, respect, honor, scholarship, and service to the general Public.

America is about Public Service and not private greed.

Change is happening and America, Europe and the World welcome cooperation.

Out with GOP Republican Wall Street Robber Barons.
In with the U.S. Constitution and the American People.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

We The People Are Voting For Harvard Scholar, Irish-American, and Constitution Law Professor Barack Obama.

Posted by: GOP Republican McFailures | August 12, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Whoever the person is using my name to post stupid comments, must also work for the Washington Post, because now they are blocking out my comments. I am keeping a copy of this blog page to forward to the administrative offices of the Washington Post. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Whoever the person is using my name to post stupid comments, must also work for the Washington Post, because now they are blocking out my comments. I am keeping a copy of this blog page to forward to the administrative offices of the Washington Post. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

i am also trying hard not to laugh, I am currently in a class on the computer, it is so quiet you could hear a pin drop and this is soooo funny.

Posted by: kikgirl | August 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I hear Panama's never been in the US - where McSame was born.
WILL IN SEATTLE WROTE:
But Hawaii's been a state since Obama and I were born, so I don't see how this could be used by anyone other than an insane person as a claim against him.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | August 12, 2008 3:16 PM
------------------------------------
There are reports out of Kenya that Obama's mother was living with his father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. in Kenya when she birthed Barack, Jr. She was too far along to fly, so she flew to Hawaii AFTER Barack was born and registered him there.

Barack Obama, Sr., is 87.5% Arab - and Barack Obama, Jr., is 47.5% Arab. He calls himself black to confuse everyone and he had to falsify documents to get into elite, prestitious schools and colleges saying he was an African American. Which was a big, fat lie. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I just came out of a meeting with the other 18,000,000 people. We just decided that we are jealous that we aren't being paid like the 2700 paid Obama control freak rats. We could really use the money. My Mom has stated talking about kicking me out of the basement again and this time I think she is serious. gw

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Can someone help out Iowatreasures, I think she's suffering from multiple personalities...poor thing!!

Posted by: Ryan | August 12, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

There are 2700 paid Obama control freaks trolling the internet to take down pages and articles that tell the truth about Obama.

There are a few of those paid Obama Control Freak Rats on here using my name to say stupid things. It may be funny to you, but there are 18,000,000 people who don't like you and don't find any humor in your sharp-elbow, dishonest tactics to win this election. We despise you - one and all. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I hear Panama's never been in the US - where McSame was born.

But Hawaii's been a state since Obama and I were born, so I don't see how this could be used by anyone other than an insane person as a claim against him.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | August 12, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Googside: You think you can pester me enough to make me stay off the blogs, but you can't. I don't care what you think - I have made it clear that I don't trust the Arab, Barack Obama, and the Obama nightmare, hopefully, will end on November 4th, when people vote ABO - ANYBODY BUT OBAMA. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

someone has really gotten iowatreasures' goat. laugh out loud funny.
p.s. been to iowa, have yet to find a treasure there.

Posted by: iowa is the only state name that starts w/2 vowels | August 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

So where are the other 70 obtained by reporter Josh Green?

Posted by: TalkingHead | August 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

He who laughs last, laughs really loud. Even louder then the person who laughs second to last and even more loud then the person who laughs the third to last.

You will all rue the day! Except you gbook, you seem to be laughing pretty loud an not exactly ruing.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

How can you possibly vote against a candidate? Your best option is to vote third party, show the 2 major parties, they need to win your vote and if not, you'll give it to a third party. Protest Voting!

Posted by: ryan2partymyth | August 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I am an Obama control freak rat - I have no sense at all - I am stupid. I am so sorry for saying stupid things and putting other people's names on them.

If you weren't such an effective writer, Iowa treasures, I wouldn't be picking on you.

Sorry - but my pills just wore off and I am just now realizing what a stupid thing I have done. Please forgive me. I just fell for the Obama pronouncement that he was "The One," until I heard what you have to say = that he is "The Wrong One."

My apologies to you and SVReader - who hasn't even been on here since May 14th. He was so disheartened about Hillary giving up, I guess he gave up, too. He got sick of people like me being so immature. Gggookside.

Posted by: Ggookside | August 12, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Whoever you are, if you don't stop posting these fake messages under my name making fun of me, I swear I'll never log on to this blog again, and you won't have iowatreasures to kick around anymore.

Posted by: iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

to Alex...the reason why the Clintons did no stumping for Gore was that he was just impeached for lying under oath....never mind he also lied to the american people, and never mind that the reason for the lie (an extramarrital affair) had nothing to do with his ability to lead a country. Should the Clinton's have stumped for Gore, nothing would have changed, except W would have won the popular vote.

Posted by: chris | August 12, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

And here again I see an Obamista calling Clinton a b****, but it is not OK to call Obama a n*****.

Posted by: Chicago1 | August 12, 2008 2:29 PM

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Very bad example. One is based on how one behaves. The other is based on race.

Its fine to call someone out for bad behavior. Its not fine to call someone out for their skin color.

This is pretty basic stuff.

Posted by: Franky | August 12, 2008 2:38 PM


Actually, you're wrong: just as there are women and there are b*****, there are also blacks and there are n******. You don't seem to grasp the basic stuff, either.

Posted by: David | August 12, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

i'm always surprised at how unempirical politics is.

Posted by: lamarck | August 12, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

So, you Gooksdc, are still at it. Well, people can tell if I write the things with my name on them. I absolutely detest Barack and Michelle Obama.

I am not voting for McCain or Hillary, I am voting AGAINST the snake oil salesman, Barack Obama, and his loud mouthed, chip on her shoulder, wife. abO = GW.

Posted by: iOWA TREASURES | August 12, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

It must be galling you, gbook whatever your name is that I have exposed Obama's big lie - that he is an Arab, not an African American.

You will rue the day Obama ever got in this race. He is a true narcissist and a pathological liar with his own ideological agenda, which isn't for the good of America. ABO - gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes we have a new class of poor , "The Lower Class" which is just below the "Working Class" which is just below the "Middle Class" which is way way under the "Ruling Class". I think the idea of disbanding the government every 10 years is sounding better and better. Before long everyone will have a small plot of land to grow grain and raise cattle and we will be protected by a Lord.
The Federal Government is killing the individual states financially 1 by 1 I personally think we would be better off without the FED but I am just a low class individual that can be easily manipulated and too stupid to know it.

Posted by: Anthony | August 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

iowatreasures, you are awesome.

Posted by: Ramsey | August 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not just anti-Obama, I also hate Ben Stiller. His new movie uses a reference that makes fun of me. A few of us are going to be protesting his movie. Please join us.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes we have a new class of poor , "The Lower Class" which is just below the "Working Class" which is just below the "Middle Class" which is way way under the "Ruling Class". I think the idea of disbanding the government every 10 years is sounding better and better. Before long everyone will have a small plot of land to grow grain and raise cattle and we will be protected by a Lord.
The Federal Government is killing the individual states financially 1 by 1 I personally think we would be better off without the FED but I am just a low class individual that can be easily manipulated and too stupid to know it.

Posted by: Anthony | August 12, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen my pills? I left them around here somewhere.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I really bristle over the attitude and approach Mark Penn had about Obama's Hawaiian background.

I am a white baby boomer born in Hawaii. The biggest holiday we celebrated was Armed Forces Day. Every military post was open and everyone attended the big parade of military personnel through the streets of Honolulu. And the emotional highlight of the parade was to see the 442 Combat Infantry Team march by. They were the famous group composed of Oriental US citizens from Hawaii and and the West Coast that served valiantly in Europe in WW2 and received more awards for heroism than any other unit in the war. Even while some had relatives forced to live in the infamous detention camps in our America.

And we attended the "49th State Fair" every year. Yes, we became the 50th state but we had long dreamed of becoming the 49th state while we were a territory and were disappointed when Alaska was chosen to join the union before Hawaii.

Some of the most patriotic and loyal citizens of the United States live in Hawaii. We were a part of WW2 and gave as much and did as much as anyone to build this country. That tradition has never faltered.

Shame on you Mark Penn to to create your cynical, sick and twisted view of people from my state. What gives you the right to even consider your shameful actions? We rejected this garbage when we got rid of Joe McCarthy. You need to step into the shadows quietly and crawl under a rock and never see daylight again.

Aloha.....

Posted by: Patrick | August 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I have reported the illegal activity of someone on this blog using my name to make comments. I have written to the major news outlets, cable, and the Washington Post.

I have forwarded that e-mail to the FBI.

I don't know if they will investigate, but you, Obama control freak rat, don't know if they will investigate, either.

Keep using my name at your peril. Obama is a loser, and so are you. He who laughs last, laughs the hardest. Anybody but Obama (ABO) - gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Like that's really going to happen. Especially after you and svreader (what his contract didn't get renewed?) virtually wall-to-wall spammed WaPo boards with pro-Clinton, anti-Obama propaganda this past spring. Little late to call for WaPo to enforce standards now.

Posted by: gbooksdc | August 12, 2008 2:56 PM
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So you, gbooksdc, are taking credit for illegally using my name on this blog? I will make sure the Washingtonpost monitor and the news media and the FBI are aware of your illegal postings. I am sure many of the other posters here don't appreciate your dishonesty either. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I have reported the illegal activity of someone on this blog using my name to make comments. I have written to the major news outlets, cable, and the Washington Post.

I have forwarded that e-mail to the FBI.

I don't know if they will investigate, but you, Obama control freak rat, don't know if they will investigate, either.

Keep using my name at your peril. Obama is a loser, and so are you. He who laughs last, laughs the hardest. Anybody but Obama (ABO) - gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

To the Washington Post - Somebody is using my name to make stupid, immature comments using my name. I want that person thrown off this board, permanently. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:57 PM
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Like that's really going to happen. Especially after you and svreader (what his contract didn't get renewed?) virtually wall-to-wall spammed WaPo boards with pro-Clinton, anti-Obama propaganda this past spring. Little late to call for WaPo to enforce standards now.

Posted by: gbooksdc | August 12, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I used to be a big Bill and Hillary Clinton supporter. That is until I saw who they really were, are and will be. Bill says his wife was mistreated during the campaign by the media because she is a woman. No Hillary was not treated as badly as she should have because the media in this country is afraid to talk about the real issues. Hillary said absolutely nothing during the campaign. She spoke of her years of experience because she had been the wife of the president. She failed to say, and many of us wanted to ask, if her experience was so good, then how come she couldn't get her health care plan or any of the other legislation she wants to do passed while she was first lady or currently as a senator. Bill on the other hand showed his true colors. He made racial remarks about the people of South Carolina, Obama and others. When called to the carpet he said he was misunderstood. That he had done more for Blacks than any President in modern history. Well here is the question, wasn't it the Clinton administration that did mandatory sentences, made a difference between crack and powdered cocaine and on and on. People try to say he was the first Black president and I have to ask why -- because he cheated on his wife, drank liquor, played the sax or just out right lied. Let us not forget that once Bill moved into Harlem middle and working poor could not longer live there. But lets get to the present, rather than congratulate Obama and work with him or just remain silent, Bill has made snide, inuendos about Obama. Obviously Bill was never anyones friend but Bills. If Hillary does manage to get the nomination or is the Vice President I will not vote for her. Dont forget there are independent candidates on the ballot. And after 8 years of the Village Idiot and The One From the Dark Side, I dont think any else could mess it up that.

Posted by: Faye | August 12, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"Now we're stuck between a do-nothing, smile-pretty, nobody and an ancient teetering relic."

I'm assuming that's better then a "can't concieve a plan, can't get her head out of her @**, nor even lead her own campaign" candidate.

Posted by: clamb11 | August 12, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

And people get down on my candidate, describing him as a 'Chicago politician'. Give me Cook County any day over these blatant, power hungry liars.

McSturgis/Clinton/Clinton 2008

Posted by: Susan | August 12, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

the clinton stench will ruin the convention and cost votes. normal people instinctively vomit at the thought of these two lowlife criminals

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

This thing with Iowa Treasures has me laughing at work. Knock it off before I get in trouble :)

Posted by: Mike | August 12, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Ready to lead on day one?
Just compare the discipline and integrity of Obama's campaign to the infighting and immaturity of Clinton's people.
Then judge who shd. answer the phone...
"You get the phone...NO, you get it. It's three a.m...i got it last time. NO, I got it last time."

Posted by: POSTAL1 | August 12, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Hawaii's not in the US?

Posted by: gbooksdc | August 12, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Yep. The buck stops at the top. Top mgt. is ultimately responsible for the overall goals, budget, and success of the "company."

This means YOU, Hillary. It also shows what kind of a president you would have made. Thank God you lost.

Posted by: Buck Stops Here | August 12, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

So many comments here forget the basic reason Clinton and McCain and Obama are in the race to begin with - to WIN. To win, you surround yourself with the best of who can help you do it.

The job of people like Mark Penn is to look at all the options and pathways to winning and submit those to the candidate and advisors to determine whether it is acceptable. You cannot presume to have the best strategy if you haven't look at all the options - race and roots included.

I see nothing in this article or the emails that surprises me about the suggested strategies and am frankly disappointed they didn't get used. I'm more upset that Obama's now the presumed nominee because Clinton was too hesitant to get dirty sooner. Now we're stuck between a do-nothing, smile-pretty, nobody and an ancient teetering relic.

Boy am I excited for this election.

Posted by: JoeMN | August 12, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Running your campaign is a good indication of your leadership, organization and a snapshot of how you'll run the country. Hillary runs her campaign to the ground with debt and Mr. Magoo can't stay on message to the point where his campaign manager says McCain doesn't speak for the McCain camp...very interesting. Yea I whole heartedly trust these two clowns to run the country when there is so much that needs fixing.

Posted by: Ryan | August 12, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting to note that Bill Clinton did little to no campaigning for Al Gore in his presidential race of 2000 and that was at the time of Clinton's immediate exit from the White House. Neither of the Clintons did any stomping for Gore, who was Bill's VP. FF to 2004 and where were the Clinton's ton the campaign trail for John Kerry? Little to no activity by either. Now jump to 2008, Hillary runs and loses--now the Clintons are demanding all of this time, space and energy be given to them at the DNC? It appears that the Clintons only want to be in the DNC limelight when it is to their benefit. For a couple that I once admired, the more I've seen of them in 2008, the less I like them.
The veil has fallen from my eyes.

Posted by: Alex | August 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Watching the Hillary and Obama job seekers crawling all over themselves is amusing for those us who have consistently stood with the
candidate you despise for his refusal to sell out-Ralph Nader. Chew yourselves up. Our votes are not for sale and neither is our candidate.

Posted by: steve conn | August 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary!

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Well, I'm sure not voting for McCain then!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Dodd, Biden, and Edwards should be run out town. They all knew they had no chance, especially Dod and Biden. Edward had had the afair before entering the primaries; therefore, I blame him for Obama's success. Obama is still better than McCain but Hillary would have won "hands down."

Posted by: Peter | August 12, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

And here again I see an Obamista calling Clinton a b****, but it is not OK to call Obama a n*****.

Posted by: Chicago1 | August 12, 2008 2:29 PM

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Very bad example. One is based on how one behaves. The other is based on race.

Its fine to call someone out for bad behavior. Its not fine to call someone out for their skin color.

This is pretty basic stuff.

Posted by: Franky | August 12, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The funniest revelation among all this stuff was the fact that Hillary hired some people to keep an eye on Monica Lewinski's movements, to avoid her sudden appearance at the wrong moments. I laughed and laughed and laughed ...

Posted by: bodo | August 12, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I was away so long...Mommy had to clean the high chair, so I COULDN'T REACH THE KEYBOARD

Posted by: lowatreasures | August 12, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Clinton campaign postmortem analysis has no news value. We already knew Clintons are all about the Clinton—no party or country. It’s unfortunate that with their talent, ambition blinds them to the point it impairs their judgment.

Posted by: KaneMan | August 12, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

people will look back come next year and wish they have never heard of barack hussin obama after he get's thru with his govement we will have go back to the arab days and women will again be dogs, if any are around after we eat them for food. you think it was t. bone steak...better wake up and send the arab back in where he blongs before he kills your poor soul...artie

Posted by: ARTIE BURRIS
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Further corroboration--as if I needed any--that I voted well in voting for Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

A good leader builds a good team.

Clinton lost because she wasn't as good a leader as Obama is.

Unfortunately, her failure to lead continues to haunt the Democrats, as Hillary is being used as a puppet now.

Posted by: Franky | August 12, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

This is news?

I guess.

I don't know any real Democrat who feels a vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary. Most of us are sick and tired of the GOP running this country into the ground. McCain would just defend Bush policies, run interference on any investigations into Bush's malfeasance and incompetency.

McCain & The GOP is committed to protecting the interests of the top 2% of this country. Nice people, the top 2%, but that doesn't mean the other 98% have to suffer economic hardships on their behalf. Just sayin'.

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | August 12, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Guilden_NL:

Do not even go there. I am from NY and of Arab descent. In no way does Obama appeal to me and I have equal disgust towards the RNC, DNC, their respective parties included. No matter who you vote for in this election, the American people will lose to special interests. If you haven't noticed, this has been THE trend since WWII. NOTHING NEW. Obama is a Tax and Spend democrat. I am repulsed by all you neoconliberals who think that taxing everyone more to pay for a disproportionate health care plan will help anyone. The people with eal wealth could care less. I have ALWAYS paid my medical bills on my own. My parents voted for Reagan, Bush, Perot. I wish we had Perot. The social landscape would be so much more prosperous than the filth we suffer today. Although Americans will never know true suffering, too material to care.

Posted by: Ramsey | August 12, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that Obama is not responsible for anybody he knows, but one person's memo are Clinton's "Early Plans Laid Bare."

And here again I see an Obamista calling Clinton a b****, but it is not OK to call Obama a n*****. No, but Obama supporters name-call women, older people (McC), and the white working class. This is the Democratic Party? I don't think so. Good luck getting Obama elected: you'll need it.

Posted by: Chicago1 | August 12, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

So all the dirt has come out on Clinton's memos. I wonder how many Clinton fanatics posted anonymous email about Obama's background? Obama should not allow a roll call for Clinton at the Democratic convention under any circumstances. She is the loser, get off the stage!

Posted by: Fair & Justice | August 12, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Save it for 2050" As if the cou ...who said the clintons werent racists?

Posted by: anon80 | August 12, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

So in other words she ran a badly managed campaign, over spent herself into a hole, assumed "women, lower classes, and Democrats" are individuals who can be manipulated and taking them for granted? And her staff alternated between race baiting and failing to understand the proportional voting rules of the Dem party?

Sounds like a dinasaur class political operation to me!

THAT is why she lost.

Posted by: JBE | August 12, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I must be reading a different set of email then most of the early posters on this blog (the paid Obama bloggers probably). I see very little damaging to Clinton as apparently she would NOT race-bait nor throw the kitchen sink as so many previously reported. If this extremely small sampling is the worst to come out of the millions of email that went on behind the scenes of the Clinton campaign, I'd say the campaign was fairly cohesive contrary to other reports.


More interesting to me is the source of these email exchanges, and why the msm is portraying them as apocalyptic whereas the Obama race-baiting memo was dismissed as much-ado-about-nothing.

Posted by: Ann | August 12, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I am a moron.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

To blame the media for HRC campaigns lack of tact is exactly why she didn't win. You cannot do these things and then get upset with others for finding out...

Posted by: joey rocko | August 12, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess I now agree with the dumba$$ PUMAs. We don't need Party Unity with criminals like the Clintons.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters, let your voice be heard in November!

A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary!

Posted by: Tyrone | August 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

queenie is 0 for 2 health care reform, comlpete and utter failure, presidential campaign - historicically humiliatingly pathetic defeat of a frontrunner. if the ny senate seat hadn't been handed to her on a silver platter, she would have screwed that up too ah hahahahahah you pumas are losers worhsipping a loser, a cult of losers, a hahahahahaha the nation laughs at you and the patheticically inept hillary clinton

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

HMMMM! Again we see the true colors of americans who cannot become open to change. This is all to familiar and obvious. If I was to take a poll of the average person that has commented including myself it would not be a surprise. The average age would be around 50 +. It makes since to me that our differences lye in our ability to change and show that we can become a better american no matter what president is in office. Our selfish characteristics have gotten us to see ourselves as differentg that any other human on this planet. But my friends you are no different inside just on the outside. Seta aside your egoes and look deeeeeeeply! at the real issues. Then look at yourselves.

PEACE Go OBama!

Posted by: DG | August 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I bet this material was released by the one Clinton campaign insider with a conscience. He/she timed the release to undermine Hillary's plan to stage a coup at the convention to steal the nomination at the last minute. While that person's name may never be known, I thank him from the bottom of my heart.

Posted by: Jimbo | August 12, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Ramsey,
RIGHT ON!
I am a life long GOPer that cannot stand McCain (and I live in Arizona), so am backing Obama. The Clintons are so criminal, self serving and slimy, I would support Hugo Chavez of Venezuela over either of those felons.

Hillary is pure evil and must be stopped at all costs.

Obama yes, Hillary NEVER!

Posted by: Guilden_NL | August 12, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

TO THE WASHINGTON POST - HOW DO I USE LOWERCASE!?

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I think it is an absolute travesty that we spend so much time bashing the %^&* out of each other. What happened to "One Nation". Our crazy politics have divided us so completely and thoroughly that we forget we are citizens of the same great nation. Our goal should be to work together - not make the loudest, rudest point - just to get "heard".
I am an American and therefore it is my duty, responsibility and honor to support my country, even when things aren't perfect.

Posted by: foundrymama | August 12, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

It is clear from this article and many others written about HRC that the media is obsessed with doing everything they can to continue to damage her. The media has never had a good relationship with the Clinton’s not really sure the reasons behind it but it exists...and people who read this stuff should know this. It is also very sad that her staff would so quickly turn over emails and memos to the press that they know would...yes damage Mark Penn but also hurt Hillary in the process. Where are people loyalties?

Posted by: Eliot | August 12, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

re: Posted by: Jimmy | August 12, 2008 11:58 AM
You say you are a black man who supports John McCain. But what, exactly, has your color to do with your choice? And, not to get personal, why didn't you tell us the relationship of your color to your choice? Your sexual orientation, too, and how that correlates closely with your choice of the ruggedly handsome and virile McCain? Don't bother to answer. You've already told us how you feel. And the way you feel doesn't explain or justify why anyone else ought to feel the same way about McCain or Obama, a black guy like yourself----I know, you didn't say "Obama, who is black," but I got your point----whom you disdain. Wanna know what I feel? You sure are a great Bu.l Sh..ter.

Posted by: theDefendantX | August 12, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

To the Washington Post - Somebody is using my name to make stupid, immature comments using my name. Oh wait, that's ME! gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Dear Scared,

The majority of people like you (including me) generally do not feel the need to address the far left which is as horrid as the far right. There time is soon coming to an end. This is part of social recycling. It is unfortunate that there are so many US Citizens who really know nothing of the "good" people they propose to elect to office. As a result we end up with two decades worth of insidious, posturing poseurs with no dignity. I'm from NY where despite the perceived Democratic leaning there is a large independent streak which belies the depth of knowledge people choose to seek. Look at OBAMANATION's followers. I can not believe how much blind faith they put in someone with no record of tangible achievement or leadership. I am sick of hearing about him being black. Obama is mixed, so the first Black candidate slant is just indicative of the planned deception to come. Anyone who could possibly support Hillary Clinton after her blatant, flagrant, acerbic and downright bottom of the dumpster lying is just not conscious. To accept someone like Hillary Clinton marks a dramatic sense of mental compromise. The information which damns both of these candidates (McCain included) is readily available online. Do the research not the hyperbole loop.

Posted by: Ramsey | August 12, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Going to send the blog to the FBI for using your name? ROFL! First, one would to use one's actual name, not a handle. I am, of course, assuming that your first name is not Iowa (possible, since there is Dakota Fanning) and your last name isn't treasures.

Incidentally, your math needs work. 87.5 divided by 2 is not 47.3. I'll leave the actual answer to be worked out by the reader.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 12, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

KidCharlatan: Universal health care is and always has been Hillary's idea and plan. Obama did copy most of his plan from Hillary except that he left out 15 million people. Now that he needs Hillary's voters his plan has become even more a carbon copy of Hillary's Universal Health Care. The problem is Obama does not understand the health care system and has no ability to pass a universal health care plan..........this will be on hold untill 2012 when Hillary is elected.

Posted by: soupyet | August 12, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton's campaign is OVER. Can't the media move on. Does ruminating over mistakes have any purpose than sensationalism.

Posted by: Peter | August 12, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Green uncovered Hillary's inability to make key campaign decisions at the right time or at all- She really didn't think that the campaign would go past Iowa and had no plan B- it seems for months after that primary. And apparently neither did her "crack" team of advisers - or she wouldn't take advice. This was the woman who said she would "hit the ground running" if elected. Between these revelations and the mess she made out of her campaign finances- she might have brought all of this and the ego and the sense of self-entitlement- and Bill to the White House. People we dodged a bullet.

Posted by: Millie Bea | August 12, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

To the Washington Post - Somebody is using my name to make stupid, immature comments using my name. I want that person thrown off this board, permanently. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I DID NOT POST THE FOLLOWING COMMENT. IT WAS SOME OBAMA CONTROL FREAK RAT THAT IS MONITORING THIS BLOG FOR OBAMA, THE NARCISSTIC, EGO-centric, SELF-ABSORBED, GOON THAT IS RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY:

Sorry for being a little bit delusional, I was under the impression that the internet was a controlled environment. I was smoking crack for breakfast, again.

G'Obama Go!

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:46 PM
I DID NOT MAKE THIS POST. SHAME ON YOU, OBAMA CONTROL FREAK RAT THAT IS POSTING USING MY NAME. YOU ARE AS DESPICABLE AS BARACK AND MICHELLE OBAMA. IN FACT, YOU MAY BE BARACK OR MICHELLE OBAMA - THIS IS THEIR MANNER OF STEALING THIS NOMINATION. ANYTHING DOWN AND DIRTY. abo - gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Since it is clear that the Penn strategy wasn't embraced (at least not as fully as was advocated), couldn't this be viewed positively for Hillary by Obama? IMHO

Posted by: imho1 | August 12, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

marian : Your comments indicate that YOU have been misled by Obama's pretty words. REALITY is that following the SC primary Bill Clinton said "Jesse Jackson won SC too". This is an historical fact and in no way a racist comment or even a race baiting remark. Jesse Jackson responded to reporters sortly after Bill and at that point even Jesse Jackson said no this comment is not racist. It was not untill after speaking to Obama and hearing Obama on TV did Jackson begin to say that maybe this comment was "code" (word directly from Obama) and possibly race baiting. Jackson knew it was nothing more than history but tried to cover for Obama's race baiting remarks. It is very sad that so many Obama supporters have little thinking power on their own and instead rely on Obama to tell them what to think. Obama has caused a new racial divide in this country and I hope it stops when McCain wins. THE ONLY ONE TO PLAY THE RACE CARD HAS BEEN OBAMA AND HE IS STILL PLAYING RACE CARDS.....which is why I will never vote for Obama.

McCain 2008 and HILLARY 2012

Posted by: jodi | August 12, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

So this is what a Clinton candidacy and regime would have looked like. We are darn lucky to have dodged that bullet.

Posted by: Yuri Lipiztmeov | August 12, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

starryperdun -- Thanks for the list of Obama's investments. His ideas -- as you presented them -- for universal health care, affordable college tuition, job training for everyone, a living wage, etc are among the many reasons why I'll vote for him in November.

Posted by: KidCharlatan | August 12, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for being a little bit delusional, I was under the impression that the internet was a controlled environment. I was smoking crack for breakfast, again.

G'Obama Go!

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Anne,
Shouldn't you have disclosed that you were the subject of one of the leaked documents? It isn't major news, but I was surprised to see your name in the letter and more surprised that you hadn't disclosed that.

Posted by: Disclosure | August 12, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Clinton lost because the media hyped up Obama so much and because American's have this facination with putting people like George Bush in office, twice. We suffer from having the memory and foresight of a nat (or a culture that has been beaten down and manipulated repeatedly and doesn't know what to do anymore).

Clinton was the best we had for the job, Obama could have been great in 2012 or 2016.

Posted by: C. Tim Cusick | August 12, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

LOL - i am an idiot.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

yea. call the fbi. i'm sure they'll get right on that. clown!

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

If anyone uses my name again, I am going to turn this blog over to the FBI to investigate.

I am tired of the Washington Post monitor, whoever he or she is, manipulating my messages and blowing off my computer because I despise Barack and Michelle Obama.

It is my right to despise them. I have read thousands of Google alerts, Chicago newspapers, etc., and I know the Obama's inside and out and the inside of them is not a pretty picture.

Washington Post, you have an Obama control freak working as a monitor of the WAPO blogs and I am tired of them using their power against people who are against Obama.

There are 2700 paid Obama control freaks roaming around the internet taking down pages and blogs of items that show the truth about Obama. They are despicable people. ABO - gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

when bama wins we can all quit our jobs and go on the public dole

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

people will look back come next year and wish they have never heard of barack hussin obama after he get's thru with his govement we will have go back to the arab days and women will again be dogs, if any are around after we eat them for food. you think it was t. bone steak...better wake up and send the arab back in where he blongs before he kills your poor soul...artie

Posted by: ARTIE BURRIS | August 12, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are the Clintons. Obama would do well to keep them as distant and unconnected to his administration as possible.

Posted by: Scott | August 12, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Man we really dodged a couple of bullets - we might have had this horrible woman or John Edwards as our next president.

Go Obama -- and please be just as good as we need you to be.

Posted by: Jeff Wagner | August 12, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Wayne,

Your post is very true and right on the money. I totally agree with your opinion.

Posted by: Leon | August 12, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I DID NOT POST THE FOLLOWING POST. SOMEBODY HAS ILLEGALLY USED MY NAME TO SAY SOMETHING DESPICABLE THAT THEY WANT TO SAY. NOT VERY AMERICAN OF YOU. AND I AM SURE YOU COULD BE PROSECUTED FOR USING MY NAME:

"Has anyone else seen the new video of McCain at a KKK klan meeting in Arizona? I hear it shows him in full robes of a senior klan leader (with hood in hand).

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:28 PM

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I continued to be amazed by the inventive ways the Dems blow elections. Gore, Kerry, now Obama? What a joke!

Posted by: Right is Right | August 12, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures,

You insist on questioning Barack Obama's loyalty to America...so let me question yours. What is your family background? I heard your father was a racist militant who had disdain for the US government and hated the fact that America was no longer segregated. True? I beleive it to be. So let me keep spreading this so maybe someone can take a closer look at you.

Posted by: Iowatreasures...if crap is treasure | August 12, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The truth is we all have dirt to be dug up. Whether its Clinton, Obama, you or me, we have all have things we could be ashamed of, or looked down on for, or judged for. We love to pass judgement and point fingers the first chance we get. How is Clinton still an issue? I really feel like it is a non-issue. The issue is are all the Clinton supporters ready to give up the next 4 years possibly eight to McCain? Seriously? The are more imprtant issues at stake here.
As far as Iowatreasure goes....
Barack Obama and his supporters are not dispicable or elitists. I'm living paycheck by paycheck working my ass off just to get by and I support Obama. I am the farthest thing from dipicable or an elitist. It's just too easy to throw those words aroud though isn't it?
Obama also somes from a non-elitist background, and is commendable how he worked his way through community college, all the way to Harvard Law and in the meantime found times to volunteer in his community.

Posted by: kikgirl | August 12, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

To quote the next President of The United States....

"That's right. Fight amongst yourselves."

Posted by: ep | August 12, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama and McCain are the nominees.

Let's face it, the last 8 years under one parties total control have not made us safer or more economically prosperous.

Actually quite the opposite...

I'm an independent, but it IS time for a change. In simple terms here is what we have to choose from.

Obama
Inexperienced in some areas, but with fresh ideas, intellectually sound reasoning - Wouldn't have invaded Iraq - etc. He believes that we should have dialogue with other countries and world leaders, and he believes in equality.

McCain
Experienced, but that doesn't always mean "sound judgement" - Let's face it, I doubt he's shopped at Wal-Mart recently to buy his kids clothes. He is of another era, and frankly that era has passed.

Whomever you vote for realize, they will have alot of cleaning up to do from what we "THE AMERICAM PEOPLE" have suffered through due to someone with "Experience" as governor.

I want a president who is smarter than I am, doesn't believe in unicorns, and can beat me at trivial pursuit - at the very least. Honestly, never felt like GWB fit that criteria.

So, it up to us, cast your vote, but think about it, and for god sakes quit arguing. We are all AMERICANS who love our country and fellow man,but agree to disagree on certain issues including politics, that's what made america great, collaboration, not nationalism disguised as patriotism.

Hope everyone has a wonderful day.

Posted by: Indie | August 12, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

During his NAACP speech earlier this month, Sen. Obama repeated the term at least four times. "I've been working my entire adult life to help build an America where economic justice is being served," he said at the group's 99th annual convention in Cincinnati.
Democrat Barack Obama arrives in Washington on Monday. On the campaign trail, Obama has styled himself a centrist. But a look at those who've served as his advisers and mentors over the years shows a far more left-leaning tilt to his background — and to his politics.
And as president, "we'll ensure that economic justice is served," he asserted. "That's what this election is about." Obama never spelled out the meaning of the term, but he didn't have to. His audience knew what he meant, judging from its thumping approval.
It's the rest of the public that remains in the dark, which is why we're launching this special educational series.
"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.
In the past, such rhetoric was just that — rhetoric. But Obama's positioning himself with alarming stealth to put that rhetoric into action on a scale not seen since the birth of the welfare state.
In his latest memoir he shares that he'd like to "recast" the welfare net that FDR and LBJ cast while rolling back what he derisively calls the "winner-take-all" market economy that Ronald Reagan reignited (with record gains in living standards for all).
Obama also talks about "restoring fairness to the economy," code for soaking the "rich" — a segment of society he fails to understand that includes mom-and-pop businesses filing individual tax returns.
It's clear from a close reading of his two books that he's a firm believer in class envy. He assumes the economy is a fixed pie, whereby the successful only get rich at the expense of the poor.
Following this discredited Marxist model, he believes government must step in and redistribute pieces of the pie. That requires massive transfers of wealth through government taxing and spending, a return to the entitlement days of old.
Of course, Obama is too smart to try to smuggle such hoary collectivist garbage through the front door. He's disguising the wealth transfers as "investments" — "to make America more competitive," he says, or "that give us a fighting chance," whatever that means.
Among his proposed "investments":
• "Universal," "guaranteed" health care.
• "Free" college tuition.
• "Universal national service" (a la Havana).
• "Universal 401(k)s" (in which the government would match contributions made by "low- and moderate-income families").
• "Free" job training (even for criminals).
• "Wage insurance" (to supplement dislocated union workers' old income levels).
• "Free" child care and "universal" preschool.
• More subsidized public housing.
• A fatter earned income tax credit for "working poor."
• And even a Global Poverty Act that amounts to a Marshall Plan for the Third World, first and foremost Africa.
His new New Deal also guarantees a "living wage," with a $10 minimum wage indexed to inflation; and "fair trade" and "fair labor practices," with breaks for "patriot employers" who cow-tow to unions, and sticks for "nonpatriot" companies that don't.
That's just for starters — first-term stuff.
Obama doesn't stop with socialized health care. He wants to socialize your entire human resources department — from payrolls to pensions. His social-microengineering even extends to mandating all employers provide seven paid sick days per year to salary and hourly workers alike.
You can see why Obama was ranked, hands-down, the most liberal member of the Senate by the National Journal. Some, including colleague and presidential challenger John McCain, think he's the most liberal member in Congress.
But could he really be "more left," as McCain recently remarked, than self-described socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (for whom Obama has openly campaigned, even making a special trip to Vermont to rally voters)?
Obama's voting record, going back to his days in the Illinois statehouse, says yes. His career path — and those who guided it — leads to the same unsettling conclusion.
The seeds of his far-left ideology were planted in his formative years as a teenager in Hawaii — and they were far more radical than any biography or profile in the media has portrayed.
A careful reading of Obama's first memoir, "Dreams From My Father," reveals that his childhood mentor up to age 18 — a man he cryptically refers to as "Frank" — was none other than the late communist Frank Marshall Davis, who fled Chicago after the FBI and Congress opened investigations into his "subversive," "un-American activities."
As Obama was preparing to head off to college, he sat at Davis' feet in his Waikiki bungalow for nightly bull sessions. Davis plied his impressionable guest with liberal doses of whiskey and advice, including: Never trust the white establishment.
"They'll train you so good," he said, "you'll start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that sh**."
After college, where he palled around with Marxist professors and took in socialist conferences "for inspiration," Obama followed in Davis' footsteps, becoming a "community organizer" in Chicago.
His boss there was Gerald Kellman, whose identity Obama also tries to hide in his book. Turns out Kellman's a disciple of the late Saul "The Red" Alinsky, a hard-boiled Chicago socialist who wrote the "Rules for Radicals" and agitated for social revolution in America.
The Chicago-based Woods Fund provided Kellman with his original $25,000 to hire Obama. In turn, Obama would later serve on the Woods board with terrorist Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground. Ayers was one of Obama's early political supporters.
After three years agitating with marginal success for more welfare programs in South Side Chicago, Obama decided he would need to study law to "bring about real change" — on a large scale.
While at Harvard Law School, he still found time to hone his organizing skills. For example, he spent eight days in Los Angeles taking a national training course taught by Alinsky's Industrial Areas Foundation. With his newly minted law degree, he returned to Chicago to reapply — as well as teach — Alinsky's "agitation" tactics.
(A video-streamed bio on Obama's Web site includes a photo of him teaching in a University of Chicago classroom. If you freeze the frame and look closely at the blackboard Obama is writing on, you can make out the words "Power Analysis" and "Relationships Built on Self Interest" — terms right out of Alinsky's rule book.)
Amid all this, Obama reunited with his late father's communist tribe in Kenya, the Luo, during trips to Africa.
As a Nairobi bureaucrat, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., a Harvard-educated economist, grew to challenge the ruling pro-Western government for not being socialist enough. In an eight-page scholarly paper published in 1965, he argued for eliminating private farming and nationalizing businesses "owned by Asians and Europeans."
His ideas for communist-style expropriation didn't stop there. He also proposed massive taxes on the rich to "redistribute our economic gains to the benefit of all."
"Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed," Obama Sr. wrote. "I do not see why the government cannot tax those who have more and syphon some of these revenues into savings which can be utilized in investment for future development."
Taxes and "investment" . . . the fruit truly does not fall far from the vine.
(Voters might also be interested to know that Obama, the supposed straight shooter, does not once mention his father's communist leanings in an entire book dedicated to his memory.)
In Kenya's recent civil unrest, Obama privately phoned the leader of the opposition Luo tribe, Raila Odinga, to voice his support. Odinga is so committed to communism he named his oldest son after Fidel Castro.
With his African identity sewn up, Obama returned to Chicago and fell under the spell of an Afrocentric pastor. It was a natural attraction. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright preaches a Marxist version of Christianity called "black liberation theology" and has supported the communists in Cuba, Nicaragua and elsewhere.
Obama joined Wright's militant church, pledging allegiance to a system of "black values" that demonizes white "middle classness" and other mainstream pursuits.
(Obama in his first book, published in 1995, calls such values "sensible." There's no mention of them in his new book.)
With the large church behind him, Obama decided to run for political office, where he could organize for "change" more effectively. "As an elected official," he said, "I could bring church and community leaders together easier than I could as a community organizer or lawyer."
He could also exercise real, top-down power, the kind that grass-roots activists lack. Alinsky would be proud.
Throughout his career, Obama has worked closely with a network of stone-cold socialists and full-blown communists striving for "economic justice."
He's been traveling in an orbit of collectivism that runs from Nairobi to Honolulu, and on through Chicago to Washington.
Yet a recent AP poll found that only 6% of Americans would describe Obama as "liberal," let alone socialist.
Public opinion polls usually reflect media opinion, and the media by and large have portrayed Obama as a moderate "outsider" (the No. 1 term survey respondents associate him with) who will bring a "breath of fresh air" to Washington.
The few who have drilled down on his radical roots have tended to downplay or pooh-pooh them. Even skeptics have failed to connect the dots for fear of being called the dreaded "r" word.
But too much is at stake in this election to continue mincing words.
Both a historic banking crisis and 1970s-style stagflation loom over the economy. Democrats, who already control Congress, now threaten to filibuster-proof the Senate in what could be a watershed election for them — at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue.
A perfect storm of statism is forming, and our economic freedoms are at serious risk.
Those who care less about looking politically correct than preserving the free-market individualism that's made this country great have to start calling things by their proper name to avert long-term disaster.


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Posted by: starryperdun | August 12, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

gnash wrote:
"Most of the comments here simply are a reflection of the people who believe their candidate is so righteous and appropriate for our country. Go ahead, bad mouth McCain in the childish and uninformed ways as expressed, and in the same breath say how Obama isn't stooping to the same tactics you all have expressed so well. You clearly show the what the Democratic party really is - a party who will say anything to get elected.

Higher taxes and higher gas prices is what you'll get with Mr. O."

A) I don't think any of the candidates are good. Politicians are inherently flawed because they possess great ambition. Ambition can become a weakness very easily. This is why McCain flirts with the fanatic Christian right while Obama flip flops on issues that he once seemed solid about.

B) I'd take higher taxes if they went to things like health care and education. Unfortunately it goes toward the mass murder our own and other peoples' children over money with the facade of being about whose god has the bigger penis.

C) Gas prices will never be lower. They will only continue to get worse. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise.

Posted by: Nny | August 12, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I, along with 18,000,000 others were very disappointed when Hillary did not stand up to Barack Obama, the media and the elitists that forced her out of the race.

Obama did not win - he maneuvered, he pushed, he sharp-elbowed Hillary and the 18,000,000 people that supported her.

Obama has lied, manipulated this primary election. Democrats had it so made during this election because George Bush really damaged irreparably the Republican Party.

But Barack and Michelle Obama have damaged the Democratic Party even more. They have caused so a racial divide, a gender divide, and a class divide.

18,000,000 of us will never forgive the Obama's for their narcisstic, aggressive, ego-tistical, self-serving, self-indulging, old Chicago style politics and lies about their past and present associations - radical people, bombing terrorists, anti-Americans, you name it. The Obama's are everything America is not.

ABO - gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else seen the new video of McCain at a KKK klan meeting in Arizona? I hear it shows him in full robes of a senior klan leader (with hood in hand).

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Clinton didn't lose the nomination because of problems with her campaign. She lost the Democratic grassroots base because of her support for the invasion of Iraq.


Posted by: ColinLaney | August 12, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama says he and his father are "black." The media has, all along, assumed he is African American.

Barack Obama has dual citizenship in Kenya, where he went to campaign for his cousin, a radical, Odinga, in August. 2007.

Barack Obama, Sr., is registered in Kenya as 87.5% Arab - Barack Obama, Jr. is 47.3% Arab - not African.

Barack's father was an Arab terrorist in Kenya, in a group called The Kenyatta that burned, pillaged, raped and murdered for their cause. Barack, in his book, said his father was a "little on the wild side."

Barack's mother was a radical anti-American.

What does that make Barack? Worrisome. ABO - gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are really pollution and liability for the party at this point. Obama won, Clinton lost - fair and square.

Even rabid Clinton supporters are not going to jump party lines to go against Obama. If this isn't true, then Democrats are doomed to fail, yet again.

There's also plenty of Independants and even Republicans that ARE willing to compromise, cross the aisle and vote for Obama - but ONLY if there's no Clinton in sight, not even a whiff. (I'm one of 'em)

If Clinton is tapped as his VP, I'll vote Republican.

I sincerely hope the Democrats wake up and see that they have a golden opportunity for meaningful unification and healing across party and racial lines.

While I respect and recognize the drive of the Clinton supporters trying to get the first female in office, that alone doesn't justify bringing down a candidate that diffuses tensions between numerous polarized groups.

Gender is just one dimension, Obama spans multiple dimensions.

Posted by: wayne | August 12, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the vindicated one, Mark Penn, had the motive to release all this stuff so he could save face among all his high-paying clients.

Well, Penn outdid even Hillary for shifting the blame.

Oh, and Hillary did all the stuff he said - attacking Obama that way. Either she did it, leaked it, or had Bill do it.

Posted by: Vote Magoo he's an adulteror too! | August 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Up here in Canada, we can't imagine what the "founding fathers" must think as they look down on the festering mob they left behind. Back when they only had the "flint lock" to worry about, they made it almost mandatory to carry a gun. Now, the better "educated" much more current and future thinking people say, "Thats what the founding fathers saw as the way to go, so we have to keep going with the modern machines and higher powered weapons.

These were wonderful (in most cases) men who saw many things in the future, but NOT the developments of science or the sleight of hand practiced by the mouths of the slimy politicians. The politicians learn a little more each time you go to the polls.

I thought that Hillary was a shoo-in, and Obama was a lock for the Veep. After eight years of Hillary, we'd see another eight years with Obama. Watching Hillary get shiftier and shiftier, (read slimy) I am glad I have to look at Harper politics in Canada.

I really do wish Obama well. And, of course, although the above may not read that way, I wish all Americans well. But, I'm trembling with fear for the world.

Posted by: Paul Ranson - Toronto | August 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

i sent a dollar to queenie for my commemorative royally smeared toilet paper. as a loyal clintie supporter, i will frame it and treasure it more than my own life. we are not worthy of queen clintie. ah hahahahahaha you clinties worship royal buttsmear

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm....Seems like Hillary's supporters were lapping the Kool Aid straight from Mark Penn's greasy cupped hands.

"Here ya go, Hil, Let's make them think you're a disenfranchised woman!"

Posted by: ReadytoLead?! | August 12, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"All the Obama nuts were knocking Hillary's experience as just being somebody's wife. Then why should Michelle Obama be allowed to speak at the convention?"

Because Michelle Obama is not running for president, you moron. She's speaking at the convention.

Looking over those memos, a Clinton administration would have been very much like a Bush administration. Same mindset, same incompetence.

Posted by: Helena Montana | August 12, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

It is amusing to see Democrats fighting over race and gender. Most of us realize that racism and power madness run rampant in the Democrat Party. From Obama's mentor, racist reverend Wright, to the Slickmeister's chauvist misadventures with Monica and the rest, the Democrats are the very racist and chavinists that they portray others as being.
I hope we don't see another Dimocrat in the White House for a long time.

Posted by: Larry | August 12, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

How many excuses does the Clinton camp need to understand they lost and the better candidate with the better campaign won. Get over it!

Posted by: Scott | August 12, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The maturity and educational level of Obama supporters continues to impress ---- NOT !!!

ROFLOL !!!

Posted by: Keith | August 12, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

BHO inside email:

"Play up the race card. Half of America will vote for me because I am a socialist. The other half will vote for me to purge themselves of their white guilt. Perfect."

Posted by: An Insider | August 12, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I will not watch the Convention the night Michelle Obama speaks. If people think our country is on the bottom now, wait until she and Barack are in the White House.

I will not watch her gloat and crow and chastize and admonish the people that they will not be able to stay in their comfort zone, or the night Barack, himself, speaks about how we will have to eat less and drive less (with the picture of his enormous airplane that is retrofitted with recliners that are embroidered "Barack Obama, President" already, I can't stomach watching them when they speak.

I will watch Hillary and Bill. They are still our heroes - no matter what the rich elitists say - the elitists have hijacked our party and our country, hence, the world. They are conspiratorial and despicable. The American people can stop this elitist conspiracy if they get off their couches and go vote - ABO - gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | August 12, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

How did the reporter gain access to all these emails?

And if you say it doesn't matter, then don't complain about the government or your employer gaining access to yours.

Posted by: Robert | August 12, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

John, if you're so apt to ignore Michelle Obama's speech at the convention, then how do you feel about Chelsea's introduction at the convention? She's merely a trustfund baby, a political chess piece, please tell me you will extend parity here and protest her speech as well...

Posted by: E. Smith | August 12, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, some of you far left libs on this post scare the cr*p out of me and should frighten anyone grounded in logic and sanity. Your latent hatred for America manifests itself in your blind, warped perspective on what America really is. I think you (and the far right) say nothing helpful and our political system would be better off without you.

Posted by: Scared | August 12, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Alright, let's see the internal memos from the Obama campaign! Maybe it'll give some insight as to why he is flip-flopping like some beached fish.

Do you think his flip-flopping has something to do with winning at any cost? Do you think he is trying to exploit his race?

Way to go uniters !!! LOL

Posted by: Keith | August 12, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

clinton supporter=born asslicker

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I hear the Clintons will be the bathroom attendants at the DNC convention.

Thankfully that is a task well suited to their skills.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The comments section of this article is documentary evidence that the psycho-pharmacological approach to mental illness has failed.

Posted by: Douglas L. Barber | August 12, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"Treasure Trove"???

Kind of dramatic, eh?


Posted by: Lisa | August 12, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

All the Obama nuts were knocking Hillary's experience as just being somebody's wife. Then why should Michelle Obama be allowed to speak at the convention?
__________

To the victor belongs the spoils, and the loser like you make excuses. ah hahahahaha don't forget to send off for your commemorative queenie used toilet paper, the highlight of your pathetic buttlicknig exisrtence. ah hahahahaha

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

We see what really cost Hillary the nomination that she PRESUMED would be hers for the taking. Now, will the still "bitter supporters" please recognize that it was her own failings and mismanagement that caused her demise??? Granted, I am a woman, and do recognize there was unfair and sexist media coverage, but this was not the sole reason she lost the nomination...the article points to many, many more reasons why.

I am saddened that Obama is being pressured to give the almightly Clintons a place at HIS convention. It's time for a new type of politician and Bill and Hillary need to get off of their high horses and realize that they do not make the Democratic party!

Signed,
FORMER Clinton supporters

Posted by: NDC | August 12, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Blah blah. Hillary Klintoon lost because she is a monumental lowlife, even by politico standards. Nothing much more to it than that. The people have shown that they'd rather have a black man as President than Klintoon, or McSame for that matter.

Posted by: Mysterious Dave | August 12, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey DCDAVE, yes I read the article. What's your point? Are you claiming that Penn and the clinton's aren't slimeball win at all costs politicians? Good luck on that one. Hillary is a divisive political hack. Her failed campaign was a mirror image of McCain's failed campaign. She was just a Democratic fear mongerer while he is a Republican fear mongerer. Hillary has nothing new to offer the people and the people responded by not choosing her for the nominee.

Posted by: Jimbo | August 12, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy,
Are you serious? McCain couldn't leads out of the bathroom. His vision was to leave his sick wife for a beer barron that makes money buy selling Beer to people that cause death and destruction. If McCain had an ounce of morral fortitude he wouldn't have left his first wife and would make his current drug dealing wife to stop making money on peoples addictions.

Posted by: Mike B. | August 12, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton machine will always be the sleaziest!!! If they ever get back in power it will be costly once again whether its Bill Hill or Chelsea.

I see Chelsea is going to introduce her mom at the convention!! She will be the next way the Clinton's try and get back in the White House!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Crocket | August 12, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Whites who say that Obama called the Clintons racists should just stop. Obama didn't do that and these people know better. The Clintons are the ones who played the race card. They got desperate and decided to pull out all of the stops. They know that race trumps about everything so they went down the low road. How much lower can you go when you refer to whites as hard working as if there are no hard working blacks. Hillary Clinton may have taken a pass on the un american strategy, but she would have been smart taking a pass on the racist one. Obama is the best candidate in this race. He's head and shoulders above McCain and it's high time that Hillary's suppotters stop their whining. I for one am getting sick of them.

Posted by: marian | August 12, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

All the Obama nuts were knocking Hillary's experience as just being somebody's wife. Then why should Michelle Obama be allowed to speak at the convention? She has done nothing but be somebody's wife. Nobody has voted for her. I will not watch her speech. She has nothing to earn this honor.

Posted by: John | August 12, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it great to now realize that we in America has "classes of people?" Gee, well now I'm considered lower class, and then of course there was a recent "middle class" but the "upper class" have taken all of their property recently in the debacle of mortgage foreclosures. Had Hillary realized early on that America is strong because we have NO CLASSES she would be the nominee today. Bad advice from an elitist counselor left her unfortunately on the sidelines. America is not a country such as India where being in the wrong "class" can actually get you murdered if you over-step your boundaries. Still, she is a great American that probably will be an influence in my remaining years. She just needs better advisors.

Posted by: Timothy in Texas | August 12, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

when someone is about to have their a** handed to them, one way of being defensive is to attack...

look,

real offense doesn't waste time with defense...bushCO and CRONYs have been on offense since pre 2000...

sh*tting on Clinton, taking Gore down via electoral fraud, and using polarization, demagoguery and pre-election coup planning with great efficiency...

9/11 happens DHS, and the National Intelligence agency spring up to take the over from CIA/FBI, FEMA/INS

oversight becomes a "historical phrase," because it doesn't exist...

NCLB act is passed 7 months before 9/11, that requires _all_ high schools to send contact information for all graduating seniors to the Selective Service BOARD...DRAFT may be imminent.

QWEST, as many of you have learned over the weekend was approached by NSA six [6] MONTHS BEFORE 9/11 to start the NSA SPYING PROGRAM....they refused and the NSA pulled several multimillion dollar contracts and QWEST tanked....pure offense on the administrations part...

filoporquequilo continues:
On Iran and WW3, I'm unaware of any offensive inclination that country has. No one is suggesting it plans to invade anyone. Nuclear weapons would be used for defense.


AFRAID OF ME? RESPONDS:

quite right, and it's a mute point since they are so hopelessly out gunned...


bushCO and CRONYs are looking for the draft, to pull their economic a**es out of the fire...

with a draft and the country believing that "we the people," have no choice....they can pump IRAQ dry, continue the BILLION DOLLAR DRUG TRAFFICKING and complete the TRANSAFGHANISTAN PIPELINE THROUGH AFGHANISTAN....

and start running RUSSIAN NATURAL GAS THROUGH THE NORTH OF CANADA W/O PERMISSION...via TANKER

listen closely....

and start running RUSSIAN NATURAL GAS THROUGH THE NORTH OF CANADA W/O PERMISSION...via TANKER,

they are going to claim that Canadian Territory doesn't belong to Canada and start running tankers through the region with no regard to the future of that area...as in "wilderness area," invaded by commercial vessels that pretend to have the nations best interests at heart...

NSA, FBI, F*ck, insidious, dangerous, Interpol, Nastanchynhia, Kerol, greb, aggresion, CIA, alto plano.

.


Posted by: sensitive spirit of your angry motives.... | August 12, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

t fun to sit back and watch people fight over an issue that doesn't really matter any more. But then again, you've always had to find someone to blame.

Most of the comments here simply are a reflection of the people who believe their candidate is so righteous and appropriate for our country. Go ahead, bad mouth McCain in the childish and uninformed ways as expressed, and in the same breath say how Obama isn't stooping to the same tactics you all have expressed so well. You clearly show the what the Democratic party really is - a party who will say anything to get elected.

Higher taxes and higher gas prices is what you'll get with Mr. O.

Posted by: gnash | August 12, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I hope to never have to see the foul Clinton name on a ballot again.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

you dirty little clinton supporters are subhumanoid mutants

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

what do the five reasons for being in IRAQ all have in common?

____________________MONEY___________________


for bushCO and CRONYs...


not for AMERICA, ask a returning VET.

.

1. money from war profiteering Bechtel, Halliburton/KBR/Blackwater, Carlyle Group...

2. money from ISRAEL...AEI, PNAC, JINSA, AIPAC, CSP, Richard Perle, William Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Douglas Feith, Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Bolton...

3. Sand Brothers money. UAE/SAUDI/Kuwiat

4. BIG OIL...BP, EXXON-MOBIL, SHELL, CHEVRON....payoffs, favors, nee Enron...

5. Money Laundering BCCI, DRUG MONEY, DRUG TRAFFICKING....IRAN CONTRA, CIA, Gary Webb, Parry... call me a liar and search on any of those entries...

grow up sheeple, get edu micated.

Posted by: happy daze of sheeple grazing on insipid lies..... | August 12, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

what the INSIDER WASHINGTON crewe will do is this...


start trying to stick bushCO and CRONYism stain onto Hillary...and "the Democrats," after all it was

Larry Craig of tap dancing fame and Newt Gingrich who was schtupping a fellow Congresswoman...while his wife was sick in bed...that were loudly proclaiming about "morality," and Bill Clinton....they don't have any they just like to use it...

Democrats can't control Congress, like the Republicans _did_ , anyone saying other wise is a fricking liar.


Tom Delay, was in St. Louis in August, he was quoted as saying....


"What we need to do is stop Hillary, if we can't it's over."


you know why he said that ???


Bill, Hillary, Al and others know the difference between government and graft....

they know who the players are now.

A Clinton in office would be insider Washington's worst nightmare....

this will continue. and I will destroy them....but pay a little attention...

watch it happen.

Posted by: c rap....he's back again....curses.... | August 12, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1985

Iraq of Bush and Cheney

by a Turk, Abdel Wahab Badrakhan


Tuesday , 21 March 2006


On the third anniversary marking the start of War on Iraq, and after all what happened since the occupation, it is yet to be known if another people is willing to hand in its fate to the US soliciting liberation from a blood-thirsty dictator, only to cast it into the mazes of a fierce civil war. It is true that the sway of Saddam's governance created an apparent "stability," a seemingly "unified" country, as well as a people more incline to "secular" behavior, also apparently.

However, the architects of the invasion and occupation considered the possibility of using "the positive fundamentals" of the previous regime; they rather relied thereon as encouraging elements for war.

Once the invaders arrived to Baghdad and overthrew the regime and its statues, they started to destroy everything, the State, the Army, and the institutions (except for the part related to oil).

The occupation authority ended up standing on the ruins of a country, to the extend of uprooting police centers even in regions where it was not even present.

There was no one left to call in case of emergency.


this is what the world sees, a bushCO und CRONERStag


_________O_C_C_U_P_A_T_I_O_N___________


hey Katie Kouric, get your head out of Georges but...

.


.

WHY WOULD GEORGIE WORGIE DO SUCH A THING ????


destroy an entire country, and it's infrastructure ??? cast 4,000,000 REFUGEES into other countries....

LISTEN CLOSELY: people just trying to survive, don't fight back...

they let themselves be told what their choices are....and they don't contest them...thier lives are hanging by a string as it is...they don't need no fricking "liberation," they need food, water, clothing, electricity, a job

and the bad guys to disappear...


why isn't AMERICA fighting back against it's own dictatorship ???


they are too busy too, trying to "get by,"


look at the empty factories

look at customer service overseas

look at computer jobs, overseas

look at medical jobs going overseas

look at foreigners controlling former AMERICAN COPORATIONS, and making decisions based upon what is best for their "families," AND NOT EVEN considering what is best for AMERICA at all...


globalization ??? right....that's what it is.

if you consider the MAFIA a governing body


bushCO and CRONYs und families is ~= mafia


"~=" means is "approximately equal to"


give it up for ORGANIZED CRIME, that is what bushCO and CRONYs are...

.EXAMPLEs:
1. Scooter Libby

2. IRAN CONTRA in the whitehouse

3. bush family collusion w/nazis, with no repurcussion...teaching the children that treason is alright as long as no one prosecutes.

.


Posted by: go for it............... | August 12, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Did not one Obama supporter actually read the above article. These memo's don't show anything about what the Clinton's think about Obama, they are about the road not taken.

Posted by: DCDave | August 12, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD BE DONE:


shhhhh wrote:
Does this help the gullible homeowner, who'll probably be taken in by the next promise of a free lunch, or the lenders?

They ought to just go back and punish the brokers and lenders who have unusually high foreclosure rates on the loans from which they profited, including taking away their house and garnishing their future wages....


and making them sell their organs on the open market if that doesn't cover paying back the jilted.

If that is not enough, then put them behind bars.

Posted by: sensitive spirit.... | August 12, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't aware that I was "needy" just because I am a woman. Thanks, Mark Penn. I agree with the others: you're Karl Rove Lite.

Posted by: DC | August 12, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons should not be allowed to speak at the convention. I don't trust them one iota any more. They are so shameless that they will sabotage Obama. They are beyond evil. And to think that I voted for Bill Clinton twice.

Posted by: Amy from Seattle | August 12, 2008 12:36 PM
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +

And if Hillary HAD sabotaged Obama in the primaries.....you WOULD be voting for another Clinton once again.

Posted by: Bigrcube | August 12, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Also so if you think Obama can win the presidency without support of the Clinton's you cannot even add and subtract. Is that the educated Obama voter, one that cannot do simple math.

Count it: Obama won the nomination in the closest primary in the modern era. 50.5% to 49.5%. He cannot win the election without the half of the democratic party who did not vote for him in the primary, voting for him in the fall. This is a fact not an opinion. So he better Kiss up to Hillary or guess what, she will tank him.

Posted by: DCDave | August 12, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Whoever leaked these memos has terribly poor timing. Not only do the Democrats need to unify and heal, but the remind everyone of the Clinton drama, to put it mildly. IF Obama were considering Clinton for the VP slot, these memos foreshadow what life in the White House would be like with the Clintons. Not good. And it also reminds Obama of how the Clintons felt about him. Not good.

Bad timing, indeed.

Posted by: Seneca | August 12, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Jimbo, do you actually read articles before you post, or can you not even do that. The point of the article is that Hillary was advised to go after Obama on his 'different' biography and paint him as un american. Hillary didn't do that because she thought it would be dirty. So did she make a mistake on that. If ignoramouses like you can't even read and interpret a simple article like this one, its clear the Obamaniacs are not all they are cracked up to be, lol.

Posted by: DCDave | August 12, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons should not be allowed to speak at the convention. I don't trust them one iota any more. They are so shameless that they will sabotage Obama. They are beyond evil. And to think that I voted for Bill Clinton twice.

Posted by: Amy from Seattle | August 12, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Anyone with any sense at all knew that Hillary was holding back on the attack, She could have used the same tactics McCain is using now and won the nomination, She didn't and lost.

After the Obama camp started the dirty tricks by calling Bill a racist (which essentially amounts to playing on African American's not paying attention to all of the good stuff Bill had done in the last 8 years for people of every color), Hillary should have dumped the Mrs. Nice Guy and gone after Obama hard. If she would have, she would be the nominee and we wouldn't be in this mess.

Oh well, hind sight is 20/20 though.

Posted by: DCDave | August 12, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

normal humans find the clintons repellent. they will stink up the convention and cost bama votes

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

No one should be surprised. Hillary was/is/and always will be a slimeball politician. We are much better off not having her in the race. Thank goodness this was her only real shot at the White House and she was rejected by the people. There is no way that Hillary can run after 8 years of Obama. She will have even less to offer in 2016 than she has today. Hopefully the people of NY will wake-up and not reelect her to the Senate in 2012.

Posted by: Jimbo | August 12, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

the clintons speaking at the convention will cost bama a lot of votes. normal people can't stand those sleezoids

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Gala1, You are so jaded that you can't even imagine a positive campaign. The next time you are before your board of directors try using McCain tactics of tearing down your competition with schoolyard bully antics.

See how far that gets you in life.

Why would anyone want a President with the political eptitude of an 8 year old?

McCain knows how to live in a cage. He knows how to be spoiled by a rich wife. That's what he knows.

Posted by: Gala1 | August 12, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Mark Penn in today's Poilitico on the virtues of negative ads:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12455.html

Posted by: Obama 2008 | August 12, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should be commended for rejecting to use negative attacks on Obama.

Posted by: Wanda | August 12, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

This puts the various racially tinged comments from Hillary (about white working people) and Bill (Jesse Jackson, etc.) in some context and illustrates they were deliberate, not a controversy manufactured by the Obama camp.

"Save it for 2050." How incredibly repugnant.

Good riddance to them all.

Posted by: Meridian | August 12, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I see you are posting for McCain points too. What can you use those points for? Can you buy a cooking set with them or a new alarm clock? How about a college education? You need that most of all.

Oh, but let's remember that McCain the cage monkey voted against increasing the GI Bill because he wants to keep our soldiers trapped in his death squads.

McDeath has lots of plans for those soldiers and he can't let them get away, can he MHR?

By associating yourself with McSame you will have the blood of our soldiers on your hands. All for a few lousy "points".

Posted by: For MHR | August 12, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

So, I assume the next issue of The Atlantic, safely out of the way after the nomination- (as you can see here, timing's everything) - will show the Obama campaign's emails in all their nobility, integrity and blessed with the rubbed- off wisdom that can only come from having kissed Obama's ring..........

Which part of competition do delusional Bamabots not understand?
Maybe that answer lies in the same level of denial that would cause Obamabots to insist that they're going to win the election after foisting onto the ticket a candidate that the by far largest demographic -- those over 55-- will simply refuse to vote for.

Bottom line is unfortunately there are too many reasons not to vote for Obama. And he just keeps on adding more to them.

And if you don't want the inevitable- President McCain- the only time you can do something about it is before the convention and nominate someone who doesn't represent party division and the utter lack of experience that has been the unbroken main objection since Day One.

It turns out that Karl Rove and Donna Brazile were strange enough badfellows to arrange for Rove to determine the third election in a row. Here's proof:

http://www.lynettelong.com/my_weblog/2008/07/bamboozling-the.html

The only way another Republican could possibly win the White House again after 8 disastrous Bush League years is to run him against a Democratic nominee that would be forced onto the ticket and then would be rejected as unacceptable.
And that is exactly what happening.

You can either write in Hillary or anyone else or Rove will have snookered you three times in a row.
And you will have been responsible for enabling President McCain.

-gala1

Posted by: gala1 | August 12, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary ran a terrible campaign and highlighted why she would be a sucky president.

Her fanatic dingbat lunatic fringe deadenders are making total fools of themselves! When I read their rantings I am reminded of how lucky we are to have dodged that bullet! Phew!

Posted by: sequoia | August 12, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I've known lots of black men. I've known black men named James and Jim. I've never ever known a black man named Jimmy.

Jimmy the Shill claims to be black? I think he's talking about the color of his heart, not his skin.

Jimmy, my friend, your man McCain is feeble of body and mind. Can you imagine him reading from a note page as he dresses down Amadeenabumbum? McCain's military experience prepared him to live in a bamboo cage. Last I heard, our president does not live in a bamboo cage.

So what is so relevant about McCain's military experience? He voted for the Iraq war, right? He was wrong, right?

Right.

Posted by: Jimmy is a black man | August 12, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Go away, Jimmie. You'll get no prizes here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/06/AR2008080603589.html

This is a canned comment from a McCain campaign shill.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

This only goes to prove that the motivation is to win - at any cost and at anyone's expense.

I'm pretty much convinced that politicians would treat the people the same way - put them in buckets ready to be traded, pampered, tampered, exchanged and even thrown out completely.

Posted by: mouli | August 12, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

old queenie beanie thought the dems were going to kiss her ass all the way to the nomination. lazy old hag

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy to see the ugliness of the Clinton campaign brought into the light. I'm sure the same sort of thing is happening with McCain.

McCain is obviously a weak candidate who was sidelined by his party until he is 71 years old.

McCain is incompetent or he would have been the Rep nominee long, long ago.

Don't vote to kill your sons and daughters. Don't vote to pay more for gas. Don't vote for incompetence.

Not all experience is good. McCain is old, that doesn't mean he has good experience.

Vote for intelligence, tact, diplomacy and the high road. Return America to our rightful place as a leader of the world.

Don't put that maggot-white old man in office. Your daughter will be raped by Iranians and your son will be killed by Afghanis.

Posted by: Martiniano | August 12, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Go away, Jimmie. You'll get no prized here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/06/AR2008080603589.html

This is a canned comment from a campaign shill.


Posted by: Disgruntled Republican | August 12, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a bad tempered
throw back with old world
solutions to a new world.

What was he going to do?
Go to war with Russia.

Please!!!!

The White House should
have not encouraged the
Georgians to attack the
breakaway faction.

As far as Clinton and
her campaign: she
was never the supporter
of women and the 'lower
classes' until she saw that
and racism was the only
way she was going to win.

In the long run, I think it
helps Obama because
Ol' Johnny McBush is
going to be seen for what
he is...a crazy old coote
who is using retread
ideas.

Good luck with that.
I'll see you at the
inauguration of Obama
as the 44th POTUS.


Posted by: hatersbegone | August 12, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I can only hope that the voters who will decide the presidential election are paying close attention to what is happening in Georgia and the reaction of Obama to the news of the Russian invasion of Georgia- he called for "restraint" by both sides, a nonsensical reaction to the invasion of a little country by its giant neighbor. Obama has no opinions other than those that his advisers provide him. The US cannot afford the luxury of an amateur in the White House. When Bush said he had looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul he made an enormous gaffe. So much for the kind of personal diplomacy that Obama favors.

Posted by: mhr | August 12, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton campaign was a case study in poor strategy execution, financial management, team work, message advocacy, and executive decision-making.

Nothing here demonstrates that Ms. Clinton would have been ready to take over as Commander in Chief on day one.

She could not make the tough calls on her campaign. What makes her and her supporters think that they world ready for the world stage -- besides arrogance.

Hillary, Bill and the Clintonista gang should learn a lesson in losing with grace and get off the public stage.

Posted by: Irvin | August 12, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

In response to the following post:

"Until Barry releases his memos, the point is moot. It really doesn't matter after all. Barry is toast.

Posted by: Jack Straw | August 12, 2008 11:27 AM"

What are you basing THIS stupidity on, wishful thinking? Obama is ahead in the polls, he's running a superior campaign, he's got more money in his fund, and like yourself, McCain is a double talking idiot.

Posted by: NoPatienceForJerks | August 12, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"In the same note, Penn laid out his ideas for attacking Obama over his "lack of American roots" -- a fierce approach that caused a great deal of strife inside the Clinton campaign, as others warned that Clinton needed to build herself up rather than tear the first viable African American candidate down. 'All of these articles about his boyhood in Indonesia and his life in Hawaii are geared towards showing his background is diverse, multicultural and putting that in a new light,' Penn wrote. 'Save it for 2050.'"

So a candidate from a multicultural background is somehow un-American? Just who is this "Mark Penn," anyway? Sounds more like something I'd expect from Karl Rove or Rush Limbaugh.

Seriously, what gutter did Hillary drag this guy out of?


Posted by: Andy | August 12, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

There's a seat in hell for Mark Penn right beside Karl Rove.

Posted by: DFC102 | August 12, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The memo must have gotten lost for a few months. In Iowa, she ran a country club campaign, appealing only to older, wealthier Democrats, especially women, and young sorority/professional types. The distressed working class, and there are a lot of them around here, went for Edwards, Dodd, Biden, Richards, anybody but Clinton or, to a lesser extent Obama, who was nearly unanimously the candidate of the under 35s. Clinton discovered her populism only after the real populist candidates dropped out. My concern is that all those people no longer have anyone going to bat for them, same as always.

Posted by: nikkibf | August 12, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Can the record be made any clearer?

Being a woman had nothing to do with Hillary losing the primaries--it was the incompetent management of her campaign, the sniper fire episode, the "white" voters she said were for her, Bill's unbridled craving to get back into the White House, and any other number of reasons for losing totally unrelated to gender.

If Hillary's disgruntled supporters decide McCain should be our next president it will reflect the bad judgment that led them to support Hillary in the first place.

Posted by: reporter1 | August 12, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Do not blame anybody. The fact of the matter is that, OVERALL, Obama is NOT experienced enough to lead this GREAT nation of the USA especially in the face of serious crisis. People, please take time and carefully analyze all that Obama says. He has NO independent vision/idea. He is only repeating what other people have said, and what other people want to hear. That is NOT a good leadership quality. To be fair, from the record, John McCain has a proven record of taking independent stance on critical issues, and he is more qualified with his experience and wisdom to lead our nation in the face of adversity. Also Obama flip flaps a lot on many major issues--trade, opening of U.S. Oil Reserve, energy, the war on terror, etc. I am a black man and an American and I just want to be objective in saying that if we should fairly elect the more qualified candidate for the office of the President of the USA, McCain is indeed the more qualified candidate with the requisite experience and also he is the person who has actually sacrificed greatly for our country. Let honor be given to those who deserve it! Thanks, Jimmy

Posted by: Jimmy | August 12, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I am really ready for the Clinton campaign to go away already.

Posted by: Sara B. | August 12, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

how can anyone criticize penn for a "win at all costs" mentality when he presided over a huge and epic defeat. queenie beanie couldn't make a decision. ha hahaha how pathetic. and she was ready from day one. she'd be running to bill when the phone rang at 3 a.m. stupid old broad

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

If this the way Hillary ran the campaign, I can't even imagine the way she would've run the country. She could've made GW look good.

Posted by: Terry | August 12, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I read all of them and the thing I was struck by was the total focus on winning, even if it became a pyrrhic victory.

Never was there any thought of what was good for the party, just for them.

What *would* have happened if she had wrested the nomination from Obama at the last moment? I can tell you: open revolt from many of the Obama supporters. There would have been a black third party candidate and many of us would have voted for him, knowing full well it would mean a Repub victory (PS: I'm not black). But it would send a message to the party for a generation about gaming the system.

Posted by: John Kiernan | August 12, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

i think hillary realized far too late that she wasn't going to be "greeted as a liberator" from Bushie politics. she began to turn it around, but the damage had already been done, and she put herself in serious debt. obama's central argument seems to be correct (so far): he has the judgment to lead the nation in the correct direction. if he can do to the GDP what he's done to his campaign coffers, I don't think people will be complaining.

Posted by: FakeD | August 12, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

LOWER-CLASS.... Interesting!!!

Posted by: pj | August 12, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

her campaign looked like the keystone cops, and she claims to be qualified to be president? ha! the two things she ever tried that weren't handed to her she turned into epic failures. what a loser of a human being

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

her campaign looked like the keystone cops, and she claims to be qualified to be president? ha! the two things she ever tried that weren't handed to her she turned into epic failures. what a loser of a human being

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 12, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Mark Penn, whereever you are, you're part of the reason the United States looks so bad these days. You're no better than Karl Rove. Winning at any cost, no matter how it humiliates your opponents, is immoral and unethical. You deserve all the failures and bad karma to come your way. I'm very glad you're not my neighbor.

Posted by: wpreader2007 | August 12, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Until Barry releases his memos, the point is moot. It really doesn't matter after all. Barry is toast.

Posted by: Jack Straw | August 12, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Penn wrote in March of 2007. "We win women, lower classes and Democrats."


Got to love Clinton's strategy. I particularly enjoy how they somehow believe these three "demographics" are easy prey, simple minded enough to be manipulated. I remember well how CLinton kept saying we are for the undereducated lower class voters. What a freaking bee-yotch!

Posted by: Hillary "Leona Helmsley" Clinton | August 12, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Couple the release of these memos with Howard "The Dork" Wolfson's claim that Edwards' staying in cost Hillary the nomination, and it seems the Clinton Team needs to quell dissention in their ranks. This ain't helping Obama.

Posted by: steve boyington | August 12, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I hope this puts to rest the idea that Hillary should somehow be the nominee. Those voters in Appalachia were not voting for her, but against Obama. Now that she's got Hillary Night at the convention, it's time for all of the "offended" women to come into the fold.

http://nahnopenotquite.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/the-hillary-hags-are-so-over/

Posted by: Nah Nope | August 12, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

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