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Clinton's Name to be Placed in Nomination at Convention

Updated 12:34 p.m.
By Anne E. Kornblut
It's official: Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's name will be placed in nomination at the convention in Denver later this month, an arrangement the two camps agreed on late Wednesday night, after much debate over how to honor Clinton's historic campaign for president.

Sen. Barack Obama, in a joint statement by both offices, said he is "convinced that honoring Senator Clinton's historic campaign in this way will help us celebrate this defining moment in our history and bring the party together in a strong united fashion." Although Clinton will be nominated, and there will be a roll-call vote on her nomination, the two sides are still working out the mechanics of how that will happen, aides said. Clinton will not have enough delegates to win the nomination, which Obama will formally secure before delivering his acceptance speech on Thursday night.

Some Clinton backers had said they would leave the convention after Clinton speaks on Tuesday night, as part of an ongoing protest against Obama's nomination. But Clinton herself is planning to stay for the week, and her advisers said that the dealings with the Obama campaign were actually very amicable. Both teams said they agreed on the need to celebrate Clinton, not only to pacify her supporters but also to demonstrate that the issue has been put to rest as the party heads into the general election.

The entire statement follows:

Statement from the Obama and Clinton Press Offices
August 14, 2008


Since June, Senators Obama and Clinton have been working together to ensure a Democratic victory this November. They are both committed to winning back the White House and to to ensuring that the voices of all 35 million people who participated in this historic primary election are respected and heard in Denver. To honor and celebrate these voices and votes, both Senator Obama's and Senator Clinton's names will be placed in nomination.

"I am convinced that honoring Senator Clinton's historic campaign in this way will help us celebrate this defining moment in our history and bring the party together in a strong united fashion," said Senator Barack Obama.

Senator Obama's campaign encouraged Senator Clinton's name to be placed in nomination as a show of unity and in recognition of the historic race she ran and the fact that she was the first woman to compete in all of our nation's primary contests.

"With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again," said Senator Hillary Clinton.

Senator Obama and Senator Clinton are looking forward to a convention unified behind Barack Obama as the Party's nominee and to victory this fall for America.

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Comments

"Hillary won the most votes from voters that actually went into a polling place and cast their vote."

This statement is misleading. I believe she is counting the 'uncommitted' votes from the Michigan contests as votes for herself. If those voters wanted to vote for Hillary, they could have cast their vote for her as her name was on the ballot. So there were voters (such as my sister and her co-workers) that voted 'uncommitted' as a vote against Hillary. Those votes ere certainly not votes for Hillary. Please correct me (with math or other details) if I am incorrect.

I am not sure how she is counting the Florida votes.

Posted by: Chris | August 15, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

TheMostVotes, MadamePresident,
it is the kind of thinking you displayed in your your post is the reason why Hillary lost the nomination. Was it because she is a women that she had deemed herself as the "inevitable candidate" in the beginning of the campaigning? No! She simply thought she was the best candidate but the people deemed Obama the better candidate. TOUGH LUCK. GET OVER IT. All this whining is so unattractive and it makes it so that Hillary will have an even tougher time in 2012

Posted by: SteelWheel1 | August 15, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

You know, the only thing better than Democrap drama is watching the inevitable implosion. No matter how bad a republican candidate is, they are invariably better than the alternative. Democraps are perhaps the lowest form of putrid scum because if you go to college, grad school, etc... they are their in droves trying to indoctrinate the masses... college kids without a clue lapping up the propaganda, strutting their new found "beliefs" at pep rally's or protests... earnestly believing the kaka... but, for those able to think, you realize that all periods of time cannot be utopia. You realize all projects cannot be completed properly in a politically correct timeframe. That is where the fastfood culture of vegan politics crashes down and ruins presidencies... perhaps if Barak destroys our country the way a neophyte, self-indulgent, self-proclaimed messiah can do, it will reopen the door for the party that thinks to retake the White House... unfortunately, there are enough limp noodles out there to elect someone like Barak or Hillary and bring this country to its knees... I stayed in school to get two Masters degrees and I have $80,000 in student loans to pay off... I have kids... I sacrificed much fun time to get them. Now, I have earned a fair living and suddenly in the perverse world of the Democrap, I am "the rich" and therefore subject to their hatred and theft. Go figure... Barak, will you please create a social program for people that went to higher education, stuck in debt from loans and let them keep their tax dollars until they are paid??? Or is hard work a trait of the elite?

DO NOT VOTE DEMOCRAP.

Posted by: Grummy | August 15, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Hilary has set the stage. There is going to be some good dirt on Obama, probabbly the last day of the Olymipics. That gives 1 or 2 news cycles to grow in the press, 150 or 200 superdelegates vote 'Present'on the first ballot, and 10 or 15 votes later Hilary is the candiate.

Mark my words. Clinton's fight dirty and never give up. They are not going to go away quitely.

I alwys thought that Bill would finish off the Democratic party as it is today. I was wrong there, It will be his wife.

Kirk

Posted by: kirk | August 15, 2008 5:52 AM | Report abuse

Hilary has set the stage. There is going to be some good dirt on Obama, probabbly the last day of the Olymipics. That gives 1 or 2 news cycles to grow in the press, 150 or 200 superdelegates vote 'Present'on the first ballot, and 10 or 15 votes later Hilary is the candiate.

Mark my words. Clinton's fight dirty and never give up. They are not going to go away quitely.

I alwys thought that Bill would finish off the Democratic party as it is today. I was wrong there, It will be his wife.

Kirk

Posted by: kirk | August 15, 2008 5:52 AM | Report abuse

"I'm in, and I'm in to win!"

I can never be so disrespectful towards my opponents.

Posted by: cht | August 15, 2008 5:28 AM | Report abuse

Shame on you Clintons who resist against unifying Democrats and changing America asap.

Some super delegates who supported HRC will not vote for her.

The day is the funereal ceremony of Clintons.

Posted by: f2c | August 15, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

"one had to cheat the way to the front, Obama"

I followed the process very closely and didn't see any cheating whatsoever at all. I guess it is easy to make false claims if you don't substantiate them . . . .

Posted by: newsjunkie | August 14, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I've tried to be nice, I've tried to give the benefit of the doubt. It comes down to this..... The Clinton's can go to hell.

Posted by: noel1963 | August 14, 2008 10:00 PM

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Noel: I have read a lot of posts tonight, and yours makes the most sense to me.

Cannot stand that woman, nor her husband.

Posted by: Susan | August 14, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

This was to be so good, The First qualified Female President, and the First young Black Male VP, getting all the expeirience along the way he needed! But, no, one had to cheat the way to the front, Obama, and so now there is all out war in the party! The ironic thing, is he could have been President, the thing sinking his polls, is experience! He should be 15 points ahead of McCain, as i speak! He could have been VP for 8 years, and then President! Now Obama will not win, I am a Democrat out here in the white working class voters area, he is a joke, now! Hillary will not get the black vote later, so she probrablly will never be President, either, she has a slim chance, alot of republicans now like her, but very slim! As a Democrat, i know this is true! Worse yet, alot of Democrats have always liked McCain, for his ability to reach across the aisle! 99% chance, we blew it, for both!

Posted by: Tristian | August 14, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I think it important that Hillary and her supporters save face. This is one election for the history books. It was a honor just to be a part of it on the forums.

I'm looking forward to this convention. Lots of drama. And Yes lots of Creative Artists. I'm also happy that the artists got involved this election year. Their voices count too and they have fans. Despite Rove and Schmit's plan to take them out of play and just label them all celebrities.

Posted by: Katherine | August 14, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I just hope the Democrats have extra room in their Hall of Losers, because when the election is over they're going to have to put two more portraits next to those of McGovern, Gore, Kerry, Dukakis and all the others. When will they ever learn...

Posted by: Al | August 14, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I've tried to be nice, I've tried to give the benefit of the doubt. It comes down to this..... The Clinton's can go to hell.

Posted by: noel1963 | August 14, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is the new Jesse. When, oh Lord, when will we be able to tell the Clintons to go back to Arkansas, or New York or wherever it is they call home and leave us alone.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering when Obama supporters will realize their ugly hate-mongering dishonors their candidate who has presented himself as being above the old-style partisan politics?

Posted by: ichief

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ichief - they are far too consistent and predictable to be random supporters - look more like campaign workers tasked with hitting the internet anytime they see anything questioning Obama.

Biggest reason I would never vote Obama - the cult behavior he inspires leads to the worst kind of human behavior. Very dangerous.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad her name will be put into nomination. It's an honor they've given to others in the past and I think it's appropriate here. Putting Clinton's name up for nomination is a gracious gesture of civility on the part of the Democratic Party and Obama's campaign. It's a symbolic gesture at this point, but it will acknowledge that she ran a national campaign for president and came closer to winning the nomination than any woman ever has in the history of our country. I am pleased that the Democratic Party will acknowledge the huge step forward for women that Clinton's campaign represented.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 9:09 PM
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word. I heard HRC did not want to go there but it was Obama that insisted, or was insistent. I agree it is a necessary as I see the repugs have got everybody all stirred up. This could also go a long way in smoothing out a lot of the hard feelings accumulated during a dinger of a primary, and indeed close to the end. It almost came down to support that represented true faith in that it was the millions of small contributors to Obama that swung the Super's. Got to make you proud of a Democrat that rode the kind of support that was $25. at-a-time. the Corporate fundraising I so detest has been shown to have another way. That is change I liked.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad her name will be put into nomination. It's an honor they've given to others in the past and I think it's appropriate here. Putting Clinton's name up for nomination is a gracious gesture of civility on the part of the Democratic Party and Obama's campaign. It's a symbolic gesture at this point, but it will acknowledge that she ran a national campaign for president and came closer to winning the nomination than any woman ever has in the history of our country. I am pleased that the Democratic Party will acknowledge the huge step forward for women that Clinton's campaign represented.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Stop trying to disenfranchise those of us who voted in caucus states! We are people too. The caucus went totally fairly and smoothly. Stop being so horribly unfair to tens of thousands of fellow Americans! I resent it deeply. It is beneath the dignity of any self-respecting person. Thank you.

Posted by: voter | August 14, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

ForHeavensake (ditto!)

So now caucases shouldn't count? Would you be saying the same thing if Hillary's campaign would have gotten it's act together and actually organized in these states and won a few of them? The fac that she didn't is a strong indication of the kind of executive leadership she would provide. Obama saw a way to win, stuck to the plan and executed. That kind of cempetence is what I want to see in the White house after 8 embrassingly incompetent year under Bush.

Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Hillary won the most votes from voters that actually went into a polling place and cast their vote. Caucuses are a different matter. There is no question that Obama supporters dominated some number of them by unethical, if not illegal, means. Does that mean that he wouldn't have won them otherwise? Who knows, since his supporters in many cases didn't allow a fair vote, so we will never really know for sure. That is the problem when you have a candidate such as Obama and a campaign such as his that will go to any lengths to get elected. In Obama's case, his track record in eliminating his competition by any means available is well documented -- for example, his election to the Illinois Senate where he got everyone removed from the ballot (including Alice Palmer) so that he could run unopposed.

Posted by: ForHeaven'sSake | August 14, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

labeau,

Rather than mindlessly regurgitating Clintonite dogma, please explain exactly HOW Hillary "rightly won more votes then Obama" (math, please, not hyperbole)

Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary rightly won more votes then Obama"

Incorrect. Check the facts. Obama won the popular vote. This was widely analyzed by all the experts and they all came to the same conclusion. It is now nonsensical to make any claim to the contrary.


Posted by: facts | August 14, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Funny how some democrats use to say of Bush, he was selected not elected, and Hillary rightly won more votes then Obama, and now you're telling her and supporters to get over it and go away,,,really. So now Obama is selected and not elected, but now it's o.k.
I believe that's called speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

Posted by: labeau | August 14, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Griffin:

Pardon me for not being clear. I was not implying AT ALL that you are a racist, or that your dislike of Obama is due to a portion of his race. I have no grounds to state that. I responded to your disrespectful post, full of name calling, and with an interest in analyzing your reasoning in one of your previous posts. Please take note, nowhere in my post did I mention Obama's physical traits. We can disagree respectfully. No, I do not agree with Obama on EVERYTHING, and no I do not worship Obama, etc (whatever other names you generally gave people who support Obama). I have enough RESPECT and CONFIDENCE in that I do not have to steep to that behavior.

Your response was to continue to issue names, and then proceed to go on defense over an issue that I hadn't even presented. It is alright to have a miscommunication, and it is my fault as the one delivering a message which wasn't perceived as I intended.

I was interested in....

1. The list of descriptions focused on Obama (which nearly all I could debate and provide facts otherwise), and yet almost ALL of those similar descriptions made on Hillary's case was totally dismissed and yet you were still in her corner as well.

2. You clearly have a dislike for Obama (for reasons I can both debate AND provide facts to support otherwise)

3. You would support Hillary (I assumed the support was based on Hillary's stances on the issues, quite contrary to McCain's)

4. If Hillary wasn't the nominee, you'd totally support McCain, and I have acknowledged that that is your right, your vote, and your business.

With these facts that I picked up from your post, I drew a conclusion that you didn't or don't have specific ideas of what needs to happen on the issues, to support both Hillary and McCain at the same time. I know that Hillary and Obama took similar stances on the issues, but if Hillary wasn't chosen I gathered you could never support Obama to carry on the causes she also stood for and unlike McCain. My conclusion was that perhaps we could rule out that the stances on the issues were the solid purpose for voting, in this case, and then I was interested in wondering what the support for Hillary was about in the first place if one does not continue to support Hillary's stances even if she isn't nominated. The only thing that is left, that stands out with Hillary, is that she is a woman (when you rule out the issues). My conclusion was that perhaps you were simply excited to see THIS WOMAN, of all, to be the first woman President of the United States; not just any woman either, but a former first lady at that. Perhaps you were so into Hillary, that it was so hard to grasp that she hasn't won the nomination; perhaps it is irritating to see Obama in the position that he is in, and you simply dislike him enough (regardless of the issues), that you can only vote for the one who is less irritating in the matter, and that happens to be McCain.

I like Hillary and I don't bash her. I acknowledge that Hillary has faults. I expect a human POTUS, but it is the stances and the judgment of this imperfect being whom I expect to take charge in certain ways, of important issues.

I don't want to be misunderstood though, racism (because you mentioned it), still exists. Some people are blunt with it, and some are closet ones who do hide behind excuses. Yes, it is naive to think that is not in existence. Because of that, it can be difficult to spot some out. It is very possible to dislike someone just because, but that alone is not enough to label someone such a strong label, such as a racist. I do not buy that commonly repeated argument by some that Obama supporters specifically dish out that label for all who oppose Obama. I would highly advise caution in that. It is possible as well for Obama supporters to expose out of curiosity, inconsistent patterns of support not clearly stated, and let that be done without the opposite end referring to racism. I acknowledge, and I only assumed that you simply wanted Hillary to be in Obama's current shoes and are disappointed. You dislike him. That is what I have presented to me, and therefore that is what I have to go from. Count me one less Obama supporter who participates in that stereotyped behavior of Obama supporters in general.

I hope this is clear enough.

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 14, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Griffin:

Pardon me for not being clear. I was not implying AT ALL that you are a racist, or that your dislike of Obama is due to a portion of his race. I have no grounds to state that. I responded to your disrespectful post, full of name calling, and with an interest in analyzing your reasoning in one of your previous posts. Please take note, nowhere in my post did I mention Obama's physical traits. We can disagree respectfully. No, I do not agree with Obama on EVERYTHING, and no I do not worship Obama, etc (whatever other names you generally gave people who support Obama). I have enough RESPECT and CONFIDENCE in that I do not have to steep to that behavior.

Your response was to continue to issue names, and then proceed to go on defense over an issue that I hadn't even presented. It is alright to have a miscommunication, and it is my fault as the one delivering a message which wasn't perceived as I intended.

I was interested in....

1. The list of descriptions focused on Obama (which nearly all I could debate and provide facts otherwise), and yet almost ALL of those similar descriptions made on Hillary's case was totally dismissed and yet you were still in her corner as well.

2. You clearly have a dislike for Obama (for reasons I can both debate AND provide facts to support otherwise)

3. You would support Hillary (I assumed the support was based on Hillary's stances on the issues, quite contrary to McCain's)

4. If Hillary wasn't the nominee, you'd totally support McCain, and I have acknowledged that that is your right, your vote, and your business.

With these facts that I picked up from your post, I drew a conclusion that you didn't or don't have specific ideas of what needs to happen on the issues, to support both Hillary and McCain at the same time. I know that Hillary and Obama took similar stances on the issues, but if Hillary wasn't chosen I gathered you could never support Obama to carry on the causes she also stood for and unlike McCain. My conclusion was that perhaps we could rule out that the stances on the issues were the solid purpose for voting, in this case, and then I was interested in wondering what the support for Hillary was about in the first place if one does not continue to support Hillary's stances even if she isn't nominated. The only thing that is left, that stands out with Hillary, is that she is a woman (when you rule out the issues). My conclusion was that perhaps you were simply excited to see THIS WOMAN, of all, to be the first woman President of the United States; not just any woman either, but a former first lady at that. Perhaps you were so into Hillary, that it was so hard to grasp that she hasn't won the nomination; perhaps it is irritating to see Obama in the position that he is in, and you simply dislike him enough (regardless of the issues), that you can only vote for the one who is less irritating in the matter, and that happens to be McCain.

I like Hillary and I don't bash her. I acknowledge that Hillary has faults. I expect a human POTUS, but it is the stances and the judgment of this imperfect being whom I expect to take charge in certain ways, of important issues.

I don't want to be misunderstood though, racism (because you mentioned it), still exists. Some people are blunt with it, and some are closet ones who do hide behind excuses. Yes, it is naive to think that is not in existence. Because of that, it can be difficult to spot some out. It is very possible to dislike someone just because, but that alone is not enough to label someone such a strong label, such as a racist. I do not buy that commonly repeated argument by some that Obama supporters specifically dish out that label for all who oppose Obama. I would highly advise caution in that. It is possible as well for Obama supporters to expose out of curiosity, inconsistent patterns of support not clearly stated, and let that be done without the opposite end referring to racism. I acknowledge, and I only assumed that you simply wanted Hillary to be in Obama's current shoes and are disappointed. You dislike him. That is what I have presented to me, and therefore that is what I have to go from. Count me one less Obama supporter who participates in that stereotyped behavior of Obama supporters in general.

I hope this is clear enough.

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 14, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Griffin:

Pardon me for not being clear. I was not implying AT ALL that you are a racist, or that your dislike of Obama is due to a portion of his race. I have no grounds to state that. I responded to your disrespectful post, full of name calling, and with an interest in analyzing your reasoning in one of your previous posts. Please take note, nowhere in my post did I mention Obama's physical traits. We can disagree respectfully. No, I do not agree with Obama on EVERYTHING, and no I do not worship Obama, etc (whatever other names you generally gave people who support Obama). I have enough RESPECT and CONFIDENCE in that I do not have to steep to that behavior.

Your response was to continue to issue names, and then proceed to go on defense over an issue that I hadn't even presented. It is alright to have a miscommunication, and it is my fault as the one delivering a message which wasn't perceived as I intended.

I was interested in....

1. The list of descriptions focused on Obama (which nearly all I could debate and provide facts otherwise), and yet almost ALL of those similar descriptions made on Hillary's case was totally dismissed and yet you were still in her corner as well.

2. You clearly have a dislike for Obama (for reasons I can both debate AND provide facts to support otherwise)

3. You would support Hillary (I assumed the support was based on Hillary's stances on the issues, quite contrary to McCain's)

4. If Hillary wasn't the nominee, you'd totally support McCain, and I have acknowledged that that is your right, your vote, and your business.

With these facts that I picked up from your post, I drew a conclusion that you didn't or don't have specific ideas of what needs to happen on the issues, to support both Hillary and McCain at the same time. I know that Hillary and Obama took similar stances on the issues, but if Hillary wasn't chosen I gathered you could never support Obama to carry on the causes she also stood for and unlike McCain. My conclusion was that perhaps we could rule out that the stances on the issues were the solid purpose for voting, in this case, and then I was interested in wondering what the support for Hillary was about in the first place if one does not continue to support Hillary's stances even if she isn't nominated. The only thing that is left, that stands out with Hillary, is that she is a woman (when you rule out the issues). My conclusion was that perhaps you were simply excited to see THIS WOMAN, of all, to be the first woman President of the United States; not just any woman either, but a former first lady at that. Perhaps you were so into Hillary, that it was so hard to grasp that she hasn't won the nomination; perhaps it is irritating to see Obama in the position that he is in, and you simply dislike him enough (regardless of the issues), that you can only vote for the one who is less irritating in the matter, and that happens to be McCain.

I like Hillary and I don't bash her. I acknowledge that Hillary has faults. I expect a human POTUS, but it is the stances and the judgment of this imperfect being whom I expect to take charge in certain ways, of important issues.

I don't want to be misunderstood though, racism (because you mentioned it), still exists. Some people are blunt with it, and some are closet ones who do hide behind excuses. Yes, it is naive to think that is not in existence. Because of that, it can be difficult to spot some out. It is very possible to dislike someone just because, but that alone is not enough to label someone such a strong label, such as a racist. I do not buy that commonly repeated argument by some that Obama supporters specifically dish out that label for all who oppose Obama. I would highly advise caution in that. It is possible as well for Obama supporters to expose out of curiosity, inconsistent patterns of support not clearly stated, and let that be done without the opposite end referring to racism. I acknowledge, and I only assumed that you simply wanted Hillary to be in Obama's current shoes and are disappointed. You dislike him. That is what I have presented to me, and therefore that is what I have to go from. Count me one less Obama supporter who participates in that stereotyped behavior of Obama supporters in general.

I hope this is clear enough.

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 14, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's claim that she won the popular vote is predicated on the disenfranchisement of all voters in most caucus states and all Obama supporters in Michigan. Wasn't she the one complaining about disenfranchisement? Why are she and her blinder-wearing followers now in favor of disenfranchisement? This is a very dishonest approach by any standard.

Posted by: Count All the Votes! | August 14, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Okay, this is my last post, because I actually do have a life. I'm not going into all the news stories, the church web site, the books he wrote, his pathetic performance when he was actually challenged about his history with Rezko, Wright, Ayers, his method of winning in Illinois, his antics toward Senator Clinton, his blatant changes of policy to garner voting blocs, his ridiculous tour of Europe, blah, blah, blah. This has all been in the news, on the radio, on the television. I mean, really, where the h@ll have you been? He's a racist, sexist, lying, cheating--oh, for God's sake, if you don't know that by now, no one is going to convince you otherwise, because you don't want to know. Do some research already.

Posted by: Griffin
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Looks like your research is very faulty, Griffin. What did you research, all the other blogs and just repeat what other bigots and racists have uttered?? That, Griffin, is NOT research. YOU think you are better than a person of color?? Why? Bet if you go back in history, you, too have the blood of a person of color. Didn't so many of those horrid plantation owners rape and ravaged many young female slaves? Haven't you noticed the many light-skinned Blacks or darker skinned whites?? The majority of these people have some black heritage, just like Senator Obama. Just who in the hell are you to condemn a person who does not have the same skin color as you?? GOD MADE US IN HIS IMAGE (KIND, LOVING, COMPASSIONATE, CARING, FORGIVING) and made us all different at the same time. And NO, whites are NOT better than any other RACE or any other People, they just have convinced themselves they are. When we reach the pearly gates of heaven, do you think GOD is going to turn His black, brown, yellow, red, children away and take ONLY whites?? The reality just might be that Good will welcome all the minorities into his kingdom and doom the earthly supreme whites to the pits of hell. Think about it. I am a 64 year old white lady, but is can clearly see the bigotry and racism in a lot of the white folks who are still living in the 50s and 60s and have now GROWN with the rest of America!!

I might add that NOONE is RESPONSIBLE for the actions of others an to try and connect dots that just are not there is ridiculous and small minded. Guilt by association? I do not think that works in this day and age!! Give it a rest!!

Posted by: NinaK | August 14, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

NinaK? JudyK ?

Yesterday it was JudyC here and JudyB in Politico. At least be creative with choosing your "names"

Posted by: TT | August 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

And, NinaK, Obama has put black/white relations back 150 years!! Now that he is "the one," every nuance of anyone's opinion or criticism is examined for racism. How pathetic is that?

Posted by: RUARacist? | August 14, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"Wow. Judging by this forum, this gesture from Obama is not going to unite anything."

You got that right Mark. It's clear that it won't. That's why I'm surprised that he did it all. It's lose-lose for him and win-win for her. If someone was looking for an example of why Obama lacks the judgment to be President, this is a pretty good example.

Posted by: cometboy | August 14, 2008 6:53 PM


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No, that's called taking the high road and acting with dignity and class. You may be so saturated with the current gang of thugs in the White House you may have forgotten how normal civilized discourse occurs.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Clinton are very similar candidates and would put almost identical policies into place as president. There is no reason for fair-minded people to prefer one strongly over the other--mildly, sure, but not strongly.

People who rant about one or the other have some other agenda they are trying to further. I'll vote for the Democrat no matter who it is because the Republicans would continue to ruin this wonderful country that I care about. If you care about your country, stop distinguishing between the two nearly identical Democrats and start working to defeat McCain. Any other strategy is suspect in the extreme.

When you get away from anonymous Internet postings, 99% of Democrats in the real world have moved on and are focused on November. The Internet ranters have left the constructive path and created their own bizarre little tempest in a virtual teapot.

Posted by: realist | August 14, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I have supported Obama throughout Hillary Clinton's antics in the primary. There is no reason to put her name up for nomination. Factual information supports the race was over for her from Iowa due to inner strife not Obama. 18,000,000 votes are not what the primaries are about. Obama has allowed the Clintons to move the goal post all the way to the convention. He deserves to lose the Presidency. He is overly and unnecessary diplomatic with Senator Clinton he will do the same with foreign leaders and problems. She is tiring person to deal with, and those who brought Obama along deserve better than her nomination at the covention. Her 18,000,000 votes are probably 6,000,000 by now and none by November because she lost and her ill mannered non-concession speech should have ended all ties with her. This is ridiculous.

Posted by: bev | August 14, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

"Michelle Obama is a pig."

Posted by: Lisa | August 14, 2008 5:25 P

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This is a perfect example of what will be voting for McGoo or perhaps a write-in vote for Hillary. Good grief.

Posted by: maxfli | August 14, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Griffin

While you're riding the McCain short bus please ask him for me:

He says he knows how to win wars. Please ask him what wars has he in the hell won?

Is he still fighting the Vietnam war? Some war in a galaxy far, far away perhaps? I need to know.

Because McCain is a ODD, off kilter individual. He has issues. Deep ones.I would not and dont trust him as president sitting down in the oval office waving his finger over the little red button.

There are questions about McCain's mental capacity that need to be addressed. That look in his eyes. That phony forced smile on his face like he has somewhere else better to be. The man ain't right. Im serious.

So go and join McCain's short bus Griffen. Ride it into the ditch on its way to Nov. 4th 2008. and just sit back or just get out the way and observe history in the making when we elect OBAMA as our next president.

Its a foregone conclusion.

Posted by: llewis40 | August 14, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Please let us see the decision to place Hillary Clinton's name in nomination as a celebration of the only positive legacy that has been left by George W. Bush. His complete failure as President has encouraged American citizens to open their minds to the possibility of a woman and an African American man as President.

It is unfortunate that while minds have been opened to these progressive possibilities, apparently very few of the previous contributors to this discussion seem to have a grasp of English grammar or vocabulary. That is a larger threat to this country than terrorism.

Posted by: info | August 14, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"Let's pray that the Super Delegates come to their senses and stop "The Obama" train wreck. They can still vote for Hillary and send her out of the convention as the nominee!"

Posted by: valwayne | August 14, 2008 7:44 PM

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Yeah, that's the ticket, let's have two pro-war, pro-business candidates instead of one. That's the way to get away from the status quo that is destroying the country. Jeesh.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of women-hating nutcases you Obama worshipers are. If your fraud has everything sewn up so tightly, what the h@ll are you all foaming at the mouth about? Clinton can't steal the nomination, if the delegates vote her the nominee. That's just the Democratic process at work. We've had at least two presidents in the past who've been elected that very way; one of our greatest, FDR, was one of them. Either way, I'm not voting for Obama. He's a nightmare waiting to happen. I'd rather put up with a moderate Republican than have that incompetent, unqualified, cowardly, lying, racist, sexist, extremist, cheating, sleazy THING in office. He'll finish the ruination of this country that Bush started. And to you silly Obama carpet-chewers who insist that voters like me were never really supporters of the Democratic Party, you're just fooling yourselves. I'm an independent who's voted Democratic since the first time I ever voted. Not this year, not unless Senator Clinton in the nominee. Otherwise, it's McCain for me.

Posted by: Griffin
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Griffin, you make me laugh with your comments, especially, "Clinton can't steal the nomination, if the delegates vote her the nominee. That's just the Democratic process at work." Hilliary Clinton's supporters have been accusing Senator Obama of exactly that, "stealing the nomination from Hilliary" when in fact she never had the nomination to begin with. Now, Senator Obama DID wing the Democratic nomination fairly and squarely, and IF the delegates should change their mind at the last minute and "nominate" her, then she will have stolen the nomination. I do not trust that fat cow any further than I can throw her. I am only glad we did not contribute to her to pay her $23 Million debt!! Hilliary and her supporters have put women back 50-60 years by whining and acting so immature. Women used to have a reputation for getting what they wanted by WHINING and CRYING!! Well, Hilliary & company have taken us back to that!! And shame on them!! I'd rather lose with dignity than win by whining and playing the "Poor Me, I should have won" game!! I believe the majority of women feel the same way!

Posted by: NinaK | August 14, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mike ... your prejudices are very obvious when you assume that Clinton supporters that are "pissed off" are women. I happen to be a male that supported and continues to support Clinton, but I will be voting McCain if Clinton doesn't get the nomination that she deserves. AND, you are really stupid if you think that McCain is another four years of Bush. But, from the sounds of your message, you probably are one of Obama's paid hacks!!

Posted by: MenForClinton | August 14, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I am becoming convinced that Obama voters lack even common sense. One can only claim that having a roll call vote is because of Hillary's 'Big Ego' if having a roll call vote is unusual.

Its not though, out of the last 6 elections 4 of them had either a rollcall vote, (2) or a voice vote (2).
meaning that having an actual vote at the convention actually is common. Given that there is nothing unusual about this vote at all.

Some candidates have even tried to force themselves into the VP spot with many fewer delegates than Hillary had, i.e. Jesse Jackson, 1988 with 29%

Posted by: DCDave | August 14, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Given that Jesse Jackson, Howard Dean and Ted Kennedy all had their names in nomination during their convention roll call votes, it is only appropriate that Clinton should be afforded the respect due to her AND to the 18 million voters that voted for her during the primaries -- more than any other Democratic candidate in history. Jackson, Dean and Kennedy all had far fewer pledged delegates and primary votes than Clinton, yet they were placed in nomination for their convention's roll call vote.

Posted by: Former Democrat | August 14, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Boy, you Hillary women are stupid. If you vote for John McCain because your pissed off, you'll be getting George Bush for another four years. And I don't mean because McCain is like Bush, I mean that he'll be telling him what to do. The world's already watched us murder 1.5 million innocent people, how many more will it take to make you happy. I hate to tell ya but, the republican party hasn't existed for years. All you got now is a bunch of hit men looking to steal oil. I guess that's why so many republicans defected and are now behind Obama. Get with the program, save your country.

Posted by: Mike | August 14, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's pray that the Super Delegates come to their senses and stop "The Obama" train wreck. They can still vote for Hillary and send her out of the convention as the nominee!

Posted by: valwayne | August 14, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Lisa.

Ain't it wonderful to sit your flat but in front of your PC and do your little racist rants without retribution?

At least on the net. You wouldn't have the soul to say this in front of a mixed crowed. Well in front of most right wingers and other racist like your damn self I'm sure. The more safer way.

But keep bring the bad KARMA.It is about to backfire on you and others of your ilk come Nov. 4th 2008.

coward.


Posted by: llewis40 | August 14, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Well at long last, Obama is starting to smarten up! All this testosterone was making me nauseous! I am one of those women who are on the fence... I am sick of these idiot men having control of my Country.. I would have loved to see Hillary, the first woman President.. Alas, it will not happen...I do think she would be a first rate Vice President...If the morons to be were not so afraid of her..I will not vote for McCain, he is just as crazy as Bush....Yet I am not sure about Obama.

Posted by: nallcando | August 14, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

NOW there're calling Hillary Clinton's run "historic"?

During the primaries, Obama was the only one to receive that descriptive word.

Obama never tipped his hat to Clinton.

And now, she's "historic".
I can see his little brain trust sitting around thinking of some crumbs to toss to the "disgruntled" people who support Hillary Clinton. "Let's call her 'historic'. That should get those dumbbells".

Nuts to the Obama campaign.

Posted by: lennyjazz | August 14, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

You heard it here first! A reliable source tells me that Mr. Obama will announce on August 27th that Hillary Clinton has accepted an offer to be his candidate for vice-president. The thinking is that she alone can can provide the "boost" needed for him to win in November. The charade ends two weeks from today.

Posted by: HVJ | August 14, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Whatever. Whichever. However.

If this will make Bill and Hillery happy then have at it dammit. Just the fact the Dems are about to make history. The first African American president and a possible woman running mate.

And the republicans? They are about to officialy nominate a ODD, ill tempered 72 year old man who has deep, deep issues.

Ive no doubt in my mind that after all is said and done OBAMA will be our next president. its a foregone conclusion.

Posted by: llewis40 | August 14, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Dr Mr. Rove:

Are you reading the posts below? You must be chuckling to yourself in that evil way you do. What I can't figure out is, how did you do it? How did you foster this great divide amongst the dems? Was it like getting a royal flush to have an African American and women in competition? How many of the people posting here are on your payroll? What ARE you up to?

ALL DEM FRIENDS -- We started this race with great candidates and we ended with one that is amazing (one I did not vote for in the primary, but certainly will in Nov). WE HAVE TO STOP THE BICKERING. Remember what is important. Ending the war in Iraq, restoring our economy, re-estblishing the USA as a respectable nation in the world, caring for our environment, taking back the freedoms we lost in the Patriot Act and health care for all (just to name a few). We have so much more on the line. Please, let's rise above this and not be puppets to Rove's strategy.

Posted by: Frustrated by the Divide | August 14, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama was a brilliant student, she is an eloquent speaker and an intellectual, and she and her husband make me very proud to be an American.
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Then where has the America hating gorilla been lately?

Barry's handlers have her chained in the backyard.

Posted by: Lisa | August 14, 2008 5:12 PM
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Hey, Lisa, you dispicable low-life racist cannot even measure up to Michelle Obama's little finger. She is a million times the woman and person you are. Go crawl back in the sewer from which you came, you dispicable creature!!! You certainly depict "white trash" who think you are better than a person of color.


Posted by: NinaK | August 14, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,

What are you bitter about? Obama did not win the nomination, Hillary lost it.

Let's face it, at this point none of us really know for sure what type of President Hillary or Obama would ultimately make. The best indication we have is the way they've run their respective campaigns:

One came from nowhere, raised more money than anyone else in an innovative way and ran a brilliantly organized, disciplined campaign.

The other came from far ahead (the "presumed nominee"), ran a short-sighted, arrogant campaign, surrounded herself with squabbling sycophants, sqaundered millions of dollars to end up almost 40 million dollars in debt, and lost!

To who would you rather entrust the most most important executive position in the world? All else being equal (and it isn't), this is enough reason to support Obama over Hillary.

Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I loved this one - Leave Hillary Alone!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNRV6wruLb8

Isn't that Aspergirl whining to leave Hillary alone? Hillary is not suited to be president. She'd be perfect as a brutal Stalinist dictator, though. Her personality is perfect for that. She would be a horrible President - and the voters know it. This is a bad idea - tell her to shut up and send her packing. The voters don't want to hear her or see her. We don't need to find a backdoor way for her to try and steal the nomination. She shouldn't be VP, and she shouldn't get a cabinet post or any other position of power or influence. She shouldn't get her ego stroked at the convention - she should be sent to do what 8 years as first lady trained her to do - be the hostess at parties!

Posted by: Go Away, Hillary! | August 14, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

>>angriestdogintheworld wrote: "yea right... slap the water for human waste eating sun fish, carp and dolly vardens. Don't forget the "worm dirt".

How dare you call me a bait fisherman! Dolly vardens!

You canine. :)

Limestone spring creeks, wild browns, occasional rainbows & cutthroats. If I could ever find your website I could send some pictures.

You fly flsh?

I really have to go...

Have a good weekend.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

"Terribly bitter. Too bitter to support Obama, barring some game-changer that benefits Clinton A LOT."

I suppose the Obama campaign could retire Hillary's campaign debts so all the local vendors who fronted her goods and services could finally get paid. However, if they go that route, they should make the checks payable to the payees, not to the campaign. "Trust, but verify"

Posted by: laboo | August 14, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

>>Black and Bitter Like Coffee: "AsperGirl, still bitter, huh? Get over it! Obama will be the 44th POTUS."

Terribly bitter. Too bitter to support Obama, barring some game-changer that benefits Clinton A LOT.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse


Gotta go get the fly fishing stuff ready. Long weekend coming up!

Catch and release wild trout!
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yea right... slap the water for human waste eating sun fish, carp and dolly vardens. Don't forget the "worm dirt".

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,

More Kool-aid?:

"But this failure to unify, that the Obamas seem to have been choking on this Summer, is really going to cost them big."

Seems to me that all the gestures towards unification (like allowing the placing of Hillary's name in nomination) have come from the Obama camp. Do you rally think that, if the situation were reversed, the Clintons (and it's always plural, don't kid yourself) would have allowed Obama the same courtesy for the sake of "unificaton" and to "respect his 18 million voters"? Get real!


Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

It would be a nice gesture if Obama actually nominates Clinton himself.
Posted by: Electric Bill | August 14, 2008 6:51 PM
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dang 'lectric you too starting to think lemonade.
Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 7:01 PM
Well, it’s just crazy not to make the best of things. I supported Obama, but I would have voted for Hillary in a heartbeat. I’m a lot more interested in getting rid of the plague of neocons than I am in a vicarious victory because the candidate I supported won. It’s just nuts for these people to talk about voting for McSame. You’ve heard how loony he is talking about Georgia. Of course, they own at least part of him.
Posted by: Electric Bill | August 14, 2008 7:10 PM

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could not have said it better... HRC actually lost me with the "hard working white people" thing. But after reading the internal e-mails I see they had no other choice and they were in shock. Now people understand a Lee Atwater... schooled on the Daisy ad the Dems played against Goldwater is all about politics. It is only evil when it works for the other guy. We need a Daisy commercial.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go get the fly fishing stuff ready. Long weekend coming up!

Catch and release wild trout!

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow- the DLC dead-enders just have to screw up the Democratic Convention and show everyone how their sense of entitlement is still alive. Whatever. Clinton ran a cheap nasty and sleazy campaign and she was undone by her own arrogance- never ever planning to campaign beyond the first few states.

Ok, Clintonites get to wet their diapers one more time, and then it's time for President Obama.

As for all you conservatives out there with your racist comments, go ahead and parade your ignorance. You only show yourselves to be tiny, stupid scared little boys.

Posted by: LH | August 14, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

>>Electric Bill wrote: "It would be a nice gesture if Obama actually nominates Clinton himself."

He hates her. I think it's a mommy thing, not to go into here because it wouldn't be polite.

The Obamas just don't like the Clintons, on a personal level, IMO.

That's perfectly permissible, I mean, this is how rifts happen. You can't force people to be wedded to all their competitors.

But this failure to unify, that the Obamas seem to have been choking on this Summer, is really going to cost them big.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

It is finally time to take the role call. Hillary's 18mm voters deserve it. And she does as well.

All of the Obama supporters need to understand that ONE party does not mean ONE way. And that the 18mm who did not vote for Obama are crucial to electing a Democrat to the White House.

We will elect a Democrat to the White House together, but first, we need to recognize the unprecedented and elevating nature of BOTH of their votes. And bury the vitriolic " I won! I won!" of Obama, supporters. Hillary has been a class act, and a noble leader since she conceded. The roll call is an equally leadership move on the part of the DNC and Obama.

Posted by: susanc | August 14, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Try using your brain next time HemiHead. You may even make sense and not sound like a typical miserable POS!

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | August 14, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

CBS Nightly News reported tonight that after Hillary's name is placed in nomination, she will withdraw from the process before the roll call and urge her delegates to follow her lead and vote for Senator Obama. It will be interesting to see how right or wrong CBS is.

Posted by: svbreeder | August 14, 2008 7:06 PM
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BUSTED... you get your news from Katy Couric (Tee Hee). Sorry guys... before you raise the sexist flick smack, I LOVE Gwen Iffil (I don't think she looks like a cleaning lady... grrrrrr).

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

He's probably the only politician in the U.S. to not accomplish a single thing with an ivy league law degree before going into politics. =========================================== Well I'm sure John McCain with his 5 crashed planes will do wonders for us. Look at all the good things he's done for us already. He voted against health care for our soldiers during two wars. Against equal rights for women. Wants to do away with Social Security. Wants to keep us in Iraq while the country is bankrupt. Your darling Hillary is no better. She's just as corrupt as McCain, but she's a snake in the grass. While she's slinging back shots telling people one thing, Mark Penn is doing another out the back door. Twenty years in politics got her just as corrupt as everyone else in Washington. She can't even lose right. Please, spare us the pain of another Nazi in Washington.

Posted by: HemiHead | August 14, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,

With the post below, you exposed yourself as a closet (or paid) Republican. Go ahead, vote for McCain and against your interests (unless you're wealthy!) Do you live in Kansas?

>>Observer wrote: "AsperGirl - The sheer toxicity, the venom, the insane and irrational thinking, the old lady nagging, of you Clinton crones is enough to turn OUR stomach. ...Your issues are not our. If this were an Islamic country, I'd be texting you the divorce decree. Drop dead, ya hear?"

Sounds to me like an invitation not to support Obama. Am I right? Anyone?

Me and the old crones here all agree. Okay.

McCain is test-driving Tom Ridge, a pro-abortion rights Republican as VP.

It's a considerable accomplishment for women's reproductive rights if McCain manages to get the Republican party to make room at its center for the Clinton women. Defanging your foe is a lot better than hiding behind a patronizing, exploitive friend.

It makes a bigger difference if the Republicans move over, than if the Democrats pander.

Nancy Pelosi is moving to the right for pro-life politicians and if the Republicans move a little left, women will become the swing voter block they should be. And they wouldn't be taken for granted anymore, election after election. And the Republican party can get fresh blood.

That's a win-win, too, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm very thrilled at the notion that the Republicans would make room at their center for moderate feminists to feel comfortable swinging between parties.

Moderating the Republican platform for women, if it does make a place at its center for women, will be a watershed moment in womens' rights and the Republican party.


Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 6:54 PM

Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

"All the P.U.M.A. people out there will have themselves to blame if Roe Vs. Wade is overturned in the next 8 years."

More exciting is the prospect that the McCain campaign may be exploring, to run Tom Ridge by his base as a VP pick.

Ridge is a pro-abortion rights Republican.

If McCain can lead the Republican party into making room at its center for centrist Clinton women, that clears the way for women to move into the Republican Party in significant numbers.

I can't imagine anything that would change womens' rights more than that one thing.

It's amazing that all these things that I've been arguing with extremists that the respective parties MUST do to win, that everyone told me was ridiculous, is actually happening.

I mean, when you know what someone HAS to do to win, it's kind of a no-brainer that they will eventually do it (or, in the alternative pull some other bunny out of their hat).

What an eventful week!

I'm good.

I'm feeling confident enough to predict, barring any game-changers, there will be a bloody, ugly and humiliating train wreck for Obama and his supporters this Fall.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

It would be a nice gesture if Obama actually nominates Clinton himself.
Posted by: Electric Bill | August 14, 2008 6:51 PM
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dang 'lectric you too starting to think lemonade.
Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 7:01 PM
Well, it’s just crazy not to make the best of things. I supported Obama, but I would have voted for Hillary in a heartbeat. I’m a lot more interested in getting rid of the plague of neocons than I am in a vicarious victory because the candidate I supported won. It’s just nuts for these people to talk about voting for McSame. You’ve heard how loony he is talking about Georgia. Of course, they own at least part of him.

Posted by: Electric Bill | August 14, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

DEM now IND - Now, this is just a statement of the facts, but you've never let that get in the way of your delussions before, but... Clinton hits A WALL amoungst voters at around 45%. The number of undecided voters, when her name is tossed into the mix, drops to under 3%. That means, a majority of voters, WONMT vote for her no matter what. I am one of those voters. I, as of right now, fully intend to vote for Obama. I WILL NOT for for Obama is Hillary is on the ticket. A majority of us simply will not take the chance that she and Geraline or Aspergirl or any like kook will ever be in charge of anything. As much as I dislike McCain's economic policies, as much as I dislike his stance on Iraq, I will vote for him, if Hillary is the Veep. She is dangerous

Posted by: Observer | August 14, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, still bitter, huh? Get over it! Obama will be the 44th POTUS.

Posted by: Black and Bitter Like Coffee | August 14, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

This woman is absolutely unbelievable. This is all about Clinton and her ego. I mean this is a woman who took out loans to pay for her campaign, when it was clear she could not win, and is now asking people to help pay them back. All I can say is wow.

Posted by: Emma | August 14, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Let's see . Let's get together and organize a political party. We'll have majority vote on everything, and establish rules on how to elect officers and decide policy. And if I always get my way, we'll all support what we have accomplished, but if if things don't always go my way you can expect me to badmouth the party and campaign against it and its nominee. Our slogan will be all for one and all for me.

Posted by: majorteddy | August 14, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

CBS Nightly News reported tonight that after Hillary's name is placed in nomination, she will withdraw from the process before the roll call and urge her delegates to follow her lead and vote for Senator Obama. It will be interesting to see how right or wrong CBS is.

Posted by: svbreeder | August 14, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

>>Jon wrote: "I don't think this "roll call" is about unity, but some sort of backdoor attempt to nominate Hillary Clinton or appease her ego."

It's all a sinister, egotistical plot to carry out the Democratic convention process the way it always has been carried out for (male) runners up who have significant showing.

It's a backdoor attempt to stop Obama from blocking the vote.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Heard the one about that black fellow who was invited to a "catharsis" party? Said he was a bit hazy on the definition of the word but replied "Sure, why not, glad to come."

And then how very disappointed and surprised he was to find on arrival that it was in fact just an old fashioned lynchin' party and he was the guest of honor!!

Posted by: G. Wallace | August 14, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

>>cometboy wrote: "narcissistic personality disorder...Really though, are you delusional enough ...Hey, maybe she has 'Machiavellian personality disorder'!"

Machiavellian would be a socially aggressive sociopath (antisocial personality disorder).

Narcissistic personality disorder is what Obama has.

Me, deluded? Sometimes! I find i have fun when I'm deluded and when I'm not, so it's not a big deal for me to determine which state I'm in at any given time.

The important thing is that Obama, Mr. I'll-Lift-Us-All-Up can't break all the rules and tradition and "ME-ME-ME ONLY", "MY-MY-MY STAGE" Clinton and her delegates out of the process due them.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse


It would be a nice gesture if Obama actually nominats Clinton himself.

Posted by: Electric Bill | August 14, 2008 6:51 PM
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dang 'lectric you too starting to think lemonade.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think this "roll call" is about unity, but some sort of backdoor attempt to nominate Hillary Clinton or appease her ego. The convention is not about her. Its about how the Democratic party will go into the November election season with Senator Obama as the standard-bearer. His nomination and his path to the nomination are history-changing, yet the only barriers that the PUMA folks acknowledge is Hillary Clinton being the first serious woman presidential candidate. For them, anatomy matters more than substance. They aren't rational people, and they certainly don't represent the vast majority of the party.

Hillary Clinton is unaccomplished. She got where she was because of her husband's name and infidelity. She is a carpetbagger who accomplished little in the Senate, yet runs as if she has a bevy of legislative laws to her name. She hasn't managed a budget of any kind whatsoever, yet she was the best the Democrats had to offer? Senator Obama may not have been in Washington the longest, but he has a much better vision of where the country should be heading. Clinton can't do anything without consulting Mark Penn. She is beholden to a egotistical pollster who charges her millions of dollars for bad advice.

If the Democrats do not purge themselves of Bill and Hillary Clinton for good, they are going to be on the same path of destruction which occured in the 1990s. Scandal after scandal, mismanagement, and the Democrats losing Congressional seats. Clinton might fly in some places, but in much of the country she is unacceptable, and the Democrats need to wake up and stop feeding her ego. She would run over her own family to get to the presidency, and she is trying her best to trample Senator Obama's big nights with his family and Democratic supporters.

Why give any more credence to a woman who delivered anti-American sentiments and racism against Senator Obama? This is the same woman who claimed Obama was an elitist, yet she owns two million-dollar homes and has yet to invite any of her PUMAs, "hardworking white Americans", and "whites who had not completed college" over to any of them. Is she afraid they might soil her white sofas?

I don't think Bill or Hillary Clinton should have had any speaking roles at the convention. The party needs to focus on the future with people like Tim Kaine, Mark Warner, Kathleen Sebelius, and Claire McCaskill. The Clintons and their racist roadkill lackeys really need to fade into the sunset and accept that they have finally been rejected.

Posted by: Jon | August 14, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

How nice of Obama to allow this "typical white person" and "sweetie" to be heard or have a roll call at the Democratic convention.
He did NOT win fairly and he knows it!
First, entire states were not counted! (Do NOT forget this Florida and Michigan)

Then we have caucuses that totally disenfranchised single parents, elderly, working class, handicapped and more. Basicaly, millions of people!!

Then we have Texas Primaries followed by a Texas caucuses where less people voted in the caucus than her 3% margin of victory in Texas. But he wins this?

Then we have Nevada where she wins but Obama is GIVEN more delegates in Nevada counties than Hillary.

Then we have MORE Republicans that crossed over to vote for Obama then Hillary. That is a fact! So Rush did not do a very good job! The Republicans knew they could not be Hillary.

Then Obama was GIVEN pledged delegates based on DNC rules put into play in 1988 to benefit Jesse Jackson. BIG benifit to Obama and a BIG cheated out for Hillary!

Then we have the majority of votes for Obama from Republican states and the majority of votes for Hillary from Democrat states! But he wins the "Democrat" nomination??

And then we have the strong arming of the Super Delegates by the DNC to shove Obama as the nominee. Literally!

And of course the NEVER vetted Obama media! What would have happened had the Wright racist scandal broke in January instead of the media literally sitting on it to protect Obama? What happened to the Public's right to know? And the Democrat Party as the Party for "equality for 'all'" and "Count every vote"??

Hillary is the RIGHTFUL nominee! And that is a FACT! Just take off the 1988 JJ pledged delegates and Texas caucus deledates and Hillary wins! And that is the facts!

She has been too gracious to Obama. Had roles been reversed, does anyone really believe Obama and his supporters would be so nice?
What if she were GIVEN pledged delegates based on her gender or race? What would Obama supporters think?

What if she attended a White Supremist Church for 20 years and the Media did not let you know until after you voted? Would an Obama supporter be so nice? What would an Obama supporter think of any nominee that followed a racist and White Supremist for 20 YEARS?

Hillary Clinton would have won in November! The real joke is on the DNC and Obama! He will lose.

Posted by: DEM now IND | August 14, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

DC Dave,

"He has 0% chance of winning without making peace with the Clintons.
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How do you propose Obama "make peace" with the Clintons, short of putting her on the ticket and then conveniently dieing shortly after he wins? Apparently they and their supporters will be satisfied with nothing short of that.

Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

there you go... we are in agreement. She would NEED the black vote but if you read the several books on veep negotiations, you see it is as tight as a pre-nup. I apologize for the New York reality reminders but the black vote is a very perilous constituency, much like the female. Luckily Obama has not lost the "female" vote, but I think he is indeed been stung by the patina of the, uhh want to say of a certain age but maybe better women of a certain realization... the way it is and the way you wish it could be. Should be a convention worth tuning into, shouldn't need any Chinese children defying gravity floating around the arena. Then again the PUMA's may have something in store.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

In the primary season, I watched Obama change the meaning of a town-hall meeting and it really irked me. Now he is trying to say the Democratic National Convention will be deemed a town-hall. Obama is such a fraud.

A town-hall meeting forum includes a speaker presenting information to an audience and then the speaker takes questions from the audience in an informal setting.

Not only will he not get up close and personal to the voters to actually answer questions off the cuff, he will not debate McCain (except in his usual fraudulent way).

How can you people vote for him?

Posted by: NoBOBO | August 14, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

>>Observer wrote: "AsperGirl - The sheer toxicity, the venom, the insane and irrational thinking, the old lady nagging, of you Clinton crones is enough to turn OUR stomach. ...Your issues are not our. If this were an Islamic country, I'd be texting you the divorce decree. Drop dead, ya hear?"

Sounds to me like an invitation not to support Obama. Am I right? Anyone?

Me and the old crones here all agree. Okay.

McCain is test-driving Tom Ridge, a pro-abortion rights Republican as VP.

It's a considerable accomplishment for women's reproductive rights if McCain manages to get the Republican party to make room at its center for the Clinton women. Defanging your foe is a lot better than hiding behind a patronizing, exploitive friend.

It makes a bigger difference if the Republicans move over, than if the Democrats pander.

Nancy Pelosi is moving to the right for pro-life politicians and if the Republicans move a little left, women will become the swing voter block they should be. And they wouldn't be taken for granted anymore, election after election. And the Republican party can get fresh blood.

That's a win-win, too, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm very thrilled at the notion that the Republicans would make room at their center for moderate feminists to feel comfortable swinging between parties.

Moderating the Republican platform for women, if it does make a place at its center for women, will be a watershed moment in womens' rights and the Republican party.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

"Wow. Judging by this forum, this gesture from Obama is not going to unite anything."

You got that right Mark. It's clear that it won't. That's why I'm surprised that he did it all. It's lose-lose for him and win-win for her. If someone was looking for an example of why Obama lacks the judgment to be President, this is a pretty good example.

Posted by: cometboy | August 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much money the RNC has allocated to hire a bunch of hacks to sit at a computer all day and fill blogs with fake posts for supposed Hillary or Barack supporters filled with hate speech.

Don't believe for a minute that most of the invective being passed back and forth on these pages is actually written by real Democrats.

Its sad really. All the GOP has to put forward are lies and fake imagery.

Got issues?

Posted by: Prattle in Seattle | August 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Yuk Yuk Yuk

Posted by: Sue | August 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Mark.

How did they even let you on here? What's with the reasoned, balanced argument? What do you mean, pointing out that BOTH sides have strengths and weaknesses?

What is with this whole "shades of gray" thing you have going on? Seriously, stop it dude. You're freaking me out.

Posted by: Lor | August 14, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous | August 14, 2008 5:33 PM - Yes, I would assume you are a woman, no matter what the sex on your ID would read.

As for your pathetic over use of the accusation of misogyny..what a crock. I don't hate women. I love women. I even like modern feminists. I simply loathe the 1960's hags, those left over self important twerpes, including such horrors as Hillary and Geraldine. I cannot imagine many people that would make for a worse President than George W. but either of those two would fit the bill. I wont take the chance of Hillary getting anywhere near that office. If she is the nominee or the VP nominee, I will work night and day, do anything and everything, to see that she is defeated by the largest margin possible. On the off chance that she could be elected, I would work just as hard to defeat Democrats at every level, just to have a Congress and other elected officials that have some sort of control over her. One thing you can count on, the majority of voters feel precisely the same way. Stick that nightmare on the ticket and you will compleely destroy the Democratic Party. About the only good thing that would come from any of this would be the complete and total destruction of people like you and your silly notions.

Posted by: Observer | August 14, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

It would be a nice gesture if Obama actually nominats Clinton himself.

Posted by: Electric Bill | August 14, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, all the hoopla over "recognizing Clinton's historic candidacy" puts her into a difficult position. If she decides to oppose Obama and withhold full support (not simply going through some motions but is even perceived as undermining the Obama candidacy), Obama will win or lose. If he wins with her on the sidelines, she is clearly irrelevant and the Obama White House owes the Clintons nothing. If he loses, she will be perceived as a spoiler- note how high the ratings for Nader are amongst Gore backers from 2000.

On the other hand, if she pulls out all the stops and supports Obama, she will alienate her own most vocal constituency. If Obama wins, she will be able to claim some credit, and can expect some access to the inner circle, or perhaps a Cab inet posiiton. If Obama loses with her support, she will still be blamed by some as "dragging down the ticket."

All in all, it looks like her self preservation option is to support Obama, unambiguously. That would require her directly confronting her vocal supporters. In any case, it is her career to burnish or trash, as she sees fit.

Posted by: jhherring | August 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Griffin, if you look at the sky and say to yourself, "it's really green not blue" eventually you will believe it.

You have convinced yourself of the problems you have with Obama, not because you have done due diligence by researching and parsing fact from fiction. It is because you simply want to believe it irrespetive of truth. Any neutral observer can see that you are since predisposed to disliking Obama for reasons out of his control.

Speaking of pasts, Hillary Clinton has an entire double-wide trailer full of "things" none of which are comparable to the "things" you hold against Obama. The scandals, lies, affairs, international embarassment aren't talking points, they are documented beyond mere political spin.

Moreover, although many of you and the thousands of sexist Clintonites were deluded otherwise, she was never the most qualified candidate in the race. Did she have access that would make her knowledgeable of the "going ons" in the white house? Sure she did. So does Laura Bush.

Are you voting for her next?

Posted by: GetReal | August 14, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

As CNN points out on its website: "If this happens, Clinton will not be the first woman to have her name placed in nomination for president at a major party convention. Maine Senator Margaret Chase Smith was placed in nomination at the 1964 Republican convention, and New York Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm was placed in nomination at the 1972 Democratic convention." And Clinton's certainly not the first major party candidate who owes her entire political career to a relative. So much for the "historical stuff". Or was that "hysterical"--in its etymological sense?

Posted by: ClintonlycaresaboutClinton | August 14, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

excellent post cometboy...

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Judging by this forum, this gesture from Obama is not going to unite anything.

Clinton People: You are going to have to accept that you lost fair and square. Be grown-ups and move on. You have less of an argument to make than Al Gore did 2000. If you are seriously thinking of voting for McCain out of spite, again grow up. Like the song goes, "You can't always get what you want."

Obama people: Enough with the sexist and personal attacks. You look like a bunch of frat guys. You should be grateful that you won and that Hillary put your candidate through his paces and made him a stronger general election candidate.

Everyone, comment to others like they are in the room with you and you are talking to their face. You wouldn't say these things if you had to look them in the eye.

Posted by: Mark | August 14, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

DC Dave, have you seen the HRC poll numbers from New York? McCain does better among black voters. There has been several articles in CQ on polling data and the history of... check it out. (FEE BASED) I will give you that $38. Million is nothing to the Clintons.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

At least they're getting it over with right away. And who says the Clinton supporters are leaving after she speaks .... those fat cows are not going to pass up all that free food. Just spill plenty of milk so they can cry in it.

Posted by: Mike Harley | August 14, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

'narcissistic personality disorder'

Love that!

Really though, are you delusional enough to think that HRC and her supporters aren't AT LEAST as narcissistic Obama and his? I mean, they both want to be President right? How can you get more narcissistic than that?

Frankly though, Obama is looking like the bigger guy here. He's giving Clinton, who has smiled for him in public, but worked to undermine him in private, a prime speaking spot and one last opportunity to bask in the love of her supporters. Doing this certainly won't placate her dead-enders who will still walk out of the convention, and it will actually make him look like he is unable to control the party. He gains nothing by it and can be damaged badly. Hillary has to know this, but is doing nothing to stop it or to really encourage her supporters to come home to the party. Weakening Obama only makes her stronger in the long run (say 2012). Is that *her* Narcissism? Maybe, but it also seems fairly Machiavellian...

Hey, maybe she has 'Machiavellian personality disorder'!

Posted by: cometboy | August 14, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of women-hating nutcases you Obama worshipers are. If your fraud has everything sewn up so tightly, what the h@ll are you all foaming at the mouth about? Clinton can't steal the nomination, if the delegates vote her the nominee. That's just the Democratic process at work. We've had at least two presidents in the past who've been elected that very way; one of our greatest, FDR, was one of them. Either way, I'm not voting for Obama. He's a nightmare waiting to happen. I'd rather put up with a moderate Republican than have that incompetent, unqualified, cowardly, lying, racist, sexist, extremist, cheating, sleazy THING in office. He'll finish the ruination of this country that Bush started. And to you silly Obama carpet-chewers who insist that voters like me were never really supporters of the Democratic Party, you're just fooling yourselves. I'm an independent who's voted Democratic since the first time I ever voted. Not this year, not unless Senator Clinton in the nominee. Otherwise, it's McCain for me.

Posted by: Griffin | August 14, 2008 5:40 PM
=========================================================================== This is the kind of crap that ticks me off. You morons cry your eyes out saying you were robed of Florida and Michigan, then you turn around and say those states shouldn't count for Obama. Hillary goes on stage and endorses McCain and bashes Obama, and you call Obama a lying cheating racist sleazy thing. With the shape our country is in you'd think anyone would be better than McCain, but no. How many more people have to die before you get off your Hillary high horse. The truth is, you could care less about what happens to this country, you just want your sweet Hillary in office.

Posted by: HemiHead | August 14, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"He's probably the only politician in the U.S. to not accomplish a single thing with an ivy league law degree before going into politics."

G.W. Bush got an Ivy League degree and he accomplished taking the country into a war that should not have been fought, a terrible recession, loss of credibility in the foreign policy arena, and so forth and so on. So what's your point?

Posted by: Ruh | August 14, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Clinton must have some more info on Barry Soetero. Is he even eligible to run for President?

She is like Jason, Chuckie and Freddie Kruger rolled into one. Just can't kill her!

Posted by: pgr88 | August 14, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

>>angriestdogintheworld wrote: "Aspergal... would Clinton OR Rodham-Clinton have shared their convention with Obama first time around?"

Hey, dog. I think so just because it's tradition. Everyone does it who has reasonable showing as runner up.

Obama's having to let her do it, after all.

But we really don't know how gracious they would have been to Obama if the numbers were slightly flipped.

I'm really glad this is happening. Maybe there will be a better tone between the campaigns now, if this was a big source of lingering tension. It would be better for Obama's campaign if he makes nice with Clinton and vice versa.

So I think it's a win-win for both of them.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl - The sheer toxicity, the venom, the insane and irrational thinking, the old lady nagging, of you Clinton crones is enough to turn OUR stomach. ANd, pull-easeeeee, I am NOT some Republican troll, bent on stirring up trouble, I am a noramlly loyal and reliable Democratic voter who HAS HAD IT! There is NO WAY in H3LL I will vote for a ticket that has Hillary on it. If she streals the nomination or ends up as VP, I walk! Furrtyermore, one thing you gals can count on is my and every other Obama supporter's desertion for any "feminist" issues you twits want to shove forward. Your issues are not our. If this were an Islamic country, I'd be texting you the divorce decree. Drop dead, ya hear?

Posted by: Observer | August 14, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

K30a,

You just proved that some people are to stupid to vote, you sir are at the top of that list. Seems to me the only problem you have with Barak is his middle name. Why dont you try reading and then bring some points to the table...

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

angriestdogintheworld: You don't know much about politics do you? Look that 38 million in debt is nothing. How much did Bill make last year, like 100mil or something crazy. Anyways, Hillary will win election after election in NY, she is more popular than ever. Also the president doesn't have anything to say about who gets what in the senate, the other senators go on.

Dag this is a long list of things you don't know, but I will keep going.

Also this isn't the Clinton's swan song, this is them helping Obama out, they sit this one out Obama loses in November. He has 0% chance of winning without making peace with the Clintons.

You can pretend otherwise, but I am not sure you actually know how things work, but hey you can type and apparently do have a computer.

Posted by: DCDave | August 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

>>DCDave wrote: "Right now Obama looks alot more like John Kerry than he does Bill Clinton."

Obama looks like a John Kerry, but without the military service, professional experience and seniority in Congress.

That "community organizer" included lame stuff like trying to get protests together and little community stuff.

And he got the job after 2 years of unemployment after graduating from Columbia.

And as his book admits, he didn't get anywhere as a "community organizer" and that's why he went back to law school.

And as we all know, he didn't make partner at his law firm, set no precedents in cases he might have handled, didn't get published in any law review and didn't produce any scholarly or professional works of any nature contributing to his field.

He's probably the only politician in the U.S. to not accomplish a single thing with an ivy league law degree before going into politics.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Aspergal... would Clinton OR Rodham-Clinton have shared their convention with Obama first time around? You want to be taken seriously by the macro political matrix... so you are going to have to answer with honesty. We do all the time, we work around it but you will have to answer honestly and then slice and dice. Politics 101 now....

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama baby!! Yo just got taken by the Clinton mafia big time.

They release memos on "how to" attack you for the benefit of the GOP.

They know your polls will tend lower between now and the Convention, thus spreading doubt to your eletability.

Bill Clinton doubts you are ready for the Oval Office and will tell all and sundry such any time they inquire.

Hillary given opportunity to speak at convention night before her name placed in nomination.

Bill Clinton also to get podium time--wonder whether he came to praise Obama or to bury him?

Superdelegates may have a commitment (moe or less) to vote for Obama but if the convention stampedes what is a good politician to do?

So don't try to stick a fork in Hillary --for sure she ain't done yet. Rather it would seem more appropriate and certainly probably more effective to drive a stake through her heart. 'Cause that seems to be what it will take to keep this "Come Back Kid" from refusing to take no for an answer.

In sum, it seems likely that by the time you get the nomination--assuming you do--it may not be worth much more than that fabled " warm bucket of spit" as attributed to a Dem politician who once described his view of the vice presidency of these United States.

You went to Hawaii for vacation--well while you were frolicking on the beaches, big change indeed occurrd here in the lines of battle. Don't look now, but you may have just lost your bid for the No. 1 slot and the Dem Party will be in utter shambles.

Posted by: M Ivins | August 14, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I do not understand the smallness of the remarks about senators Clinton and Obama. Many have nothing to do with their abilities to lead and judgment. Instead, many of the writers have merely engaged in name calling and such. What is that about?

The question is whether Obama can beat McCain. Focus people

Posted by: jai metre | August 14, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the Hillary camp is reminding everyone that the party is divided. And crap like this is the reason why McCain and his Karl-Rovian tactics are going to win the elections. Leave it up to my party to screw up the election in which a Republican, which is not well like by all Republicans, can take the election. Well say hello to 100 years in Iraq. Thanks for putting up a great opposition Democrats.

Posted by: Ruh | August 14, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

CG, did you read the article probably not, turns out this process happens at about 50% of the democratic conventions, did you know that? No probably not because you didn't read the article now did you, you just shot your ignorant little mouth off without knowing a thing. Good for you little trooper.....

Posted by: DCDave | August 14, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"The self absobed myopia of Obama's supporters continues to amaze me. How could a candidate with close to half the votes be so unreasonable as to want her name put in nomination? How, after all the months and money spent on the nomination selection process, could anyone want to actually bother to count the votes? How at a Democratic Party convention could close to half the delegates insist that some time be spent considering their views? How could the level of attention justified by all the votes for Hillary Clinton be presented as an Obama favor?"

It's the narcissistic personality disorder. It's nearly impossible for him to share the moment in history as a close vote between two historic campaigns. The other way, the absurdly false "clinched" narrative that is factually untrue would have prevailed. Obama's historic primary campaign now becomes an historic Clinton and Obama primary campaign season, close vote and all.

The narcissistic personality disorder makes it near impossible for Obama to share the big moment in history or the stage. The only surprising thing is how long it took him to realize he couldn't get away with blowing off Democratic convention process and block a close female runner up since all runners up have gotten that, and he'd be breaking with tradition to block her nomination.

Clinton better look out if Obama wants to fist bump her. He'd knock her off the stage if he could.

Maybe Obama can do something else passive aggressive to belittle Clinton's nomination.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

time to review the FACTs fellow Obamaites... HRC finished up $38. Million in debt, unable to be re-elected to her Senate seat in New York and her pretend Husband is no longer the first AA President (a majority actually see him as a joke). This is their swan song, and it is in their best interest to assist in Obama's election. That is their only hope at redemption for a brutal intra-party slugfest. HRC will not be elected to a Leadership position in the Senate because she is all but politically dead in New York. If Obama is elected, and that is still tracking well... HRC will get a Cabinet Spot. But had she not been allowed this chance to raise a torchlite nationally with her peeps, she knows she is doomed. Unless heading up NOW is not considered doom.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

For crying out loud, Griffin, how can ANYONE read this comments section and then claim that the hateful, ignorant, weak and disrespectful language spews from only one side?

And please, stop pretending that you're just looking to hear a good counter argument to your position. You have made up your mind about him, and that's fine. You hate him, understood. Just stop dressing it up as if there were anything he or his supporters could do to change your mind. You are anti-Obama more than you are pro-choice, or anti-war, or pro-health care, and probably even more than you are pro-Hillary. There's nothing wrong with any of that, I suppose.

Just own up to it.

Posted by: Seriously? | August 14, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

The phony nomination of Hilary Clinton is not an honor--it's a ridiculous ploy aimed to pacify the losers. The primaries/caucuses were held and Hilary lost--end of story.

This phony nomination is beyond ridiculous--it's a national embarrassment. Shame on the party for engaging in such absurd foolery.

Posted by: CG | August 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,

Obama has done what every candidate does to win the general election -- move to the middle. Hillary would have done the same thing (in fact, she positioned herself as more conservative even during the primary campaign to paint Obama as "an elitist, effete liberal"). This is how how you get elected in America. Otherwise, you are Ralph Nader!

Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 6:15 PM

"It's all those young women who are supporting an under-qualified Obama instead of the more-qualified female candidate who would be getting, excuse the pun, "screwed"."

Excuse me, but when does serving tea and crumpets to White House guests give one the experience to govern the USA? Moreover, when does offering idle chit-chat to White House guest make one fit to be President of the USA? I suppose that you will argue that being a house wife to William Jefferson Clinton, and then being a carpet bagger Senator to NY gives one experience to govern the USA? Comprehend this. There is no job out there that prepares one to be President of the USA. Fact. Deal with it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

LOL Griffin!

You are clearly irony impaired.

I don't think anyone here REALLY thinks you're a racist. Maybe a member of a personality cult or a GOP troll, but not a racist. Everyone is just pointing out how you seem to regard everyone who doesn't support Hillary is sexist, but can't see the fact that by painting with such a broad brush you invite the obvious racist bashing. It's amusing really.

Posted by: cometboy | August 14, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Okay, this is my last post, because I actually do have a life. I'm not going into all the news stories, the church web site, the books he wrote, his pathetic performance when he was actually challenged about his history with Rezko, Wright, Ayers, his method of winning in Illinois, his antics toward Senator Clinton, his blatant changes of policy to garner voting blocs, his ridiculous tour of Europe, blah, blah, blah. This has all been in the news, on the radio, on the television. I mean, really, where the h@ll have you been? He's a racist, sexist, lying, cheating--oh, for God's sake, if you don't know that by now, no one is going to convince you otherwise, because you don't want to know. Do some research already.

Posted by: Griffin | August 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"95% OF HILLARY'S AND OBAMA'S PROPOSED POLICIES ARE THE SAME (READ UP ON IT)! Why, therefore, the Obama hatred?"

Xeroxing someone's stands and platforms and making minor changes isn't exactly the same thing as being the same politician.

Obama copied Clinton's stuff and then claimed that "there's little air" between the candidates and so then everyone should pick the more fun, cool and fund-raising candidate.

But that's really not the same thing as being the same politician. Anyone can have position papers written up and posted for them. Or copy them from someone else.

Anyways, now that it's him and McCain, he's slid over to McCain. It looks like he's going to argue that there's little air between him and McCain and everyone should pick the cool Democrat.

A chameleon isn't the same thing as a green lizard.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Voting for Barack Hussein Obama is like voting to fight Saddam Hussein. If we win, the gain is insignificant. But if we lose, the loss will be huge. By risk evaluation, we should avoid Barack Hussein Obama as we should avoid fighting Saddam Hussein. The good thing about Barack Hussein Obama is that he opposed fighting Saddam Hussein. Barack has opposed the Iraqi war for a personal reason.

Posted by: K30a | August 14, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick of hearing about "how to honor Clinton's historic campaign."

If Obama had lost, do you think the Clinton's would be worrying about how to honor Obama's historic campaign? Heck, no, they would be pushing him aside so that they could have the spot light to themselves.

A voter for McCain.

Posted by: Alan | August 14, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

TLC20011,

That was a good one my friend, you got me on that one. Let me say it has been great debating with you today, no mudslinging just good ole fashioned politics. You have brought up many good points and i respect them. Hopefully the Dems can debate as cleanly as you and i have...

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Griffin,

"All the reasons have been well-publicized, many by Obama himself, and any concerns by nonworshipers have been contemptuously dismissed and have gone unanswered."

What reasons? You don't mention them yourself. And no reasons that I've heard justify your description of him as a "sexist, extremist, cheating, sleazy THING".

I'm not accusing you of being a racist, but since I still haven't a rational reason for your level of hatred for a candidate that proposes virtually the same policies as Hillary (all of which are vastly superior than anything McCain has to offer), don't blame me for assuming irrational ones.

Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

After she gets the votes for Pres., the Convention wont dare not vote for her for VP.

She will be nominated for VP.

Obama will back down and not even name anyone to oppose her.

Posted by: True Observer | August 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

>>ccw tnr wrote: "All the P.U.M.A. people out there will have themselves to blame if Roe Vs. Wade is overturned in the next 8 years."

But, as you and your friends all point out the holdout Clinton supporters are old, ugly, irrelevant women.

We don't need abortion rights.

I could care less, at this point. Am I supposed to go out on the limb for a bunch of young, sneering female Obama supporters who jeer at Clinton supporters as old irrelevant women?

It's all those young women who are supporting an under-qualified Obama instead of the more-qualified female candidate who would be getting, excuse the pun, "screwed".

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Ah, there it is, I knew the insult of last resort would be flung by at least one mindless Obama worshiper. NOT ONE objection that I have to Obama has anything to do with his black blood. All of the reasons I consider him to be unfit could be said of any person, regardless of color or sex. It just so happens that the person I have said them about is part black. How hateful, weak and foolish you sound trying to paint me as a racist simply because I am against Obama. He's unfit, period. His mixed race has nothing to do with it. All the reasons have been well-publicized, many by Obama himself, and any concerns by nonworshipers have been contemptuously dismissed and have gone unanswered. You don't really think we have forgotten about all those negatives, just because you people pretend they don't exist or matter? November 2008 will show how many have forgotten. By the way, I was against Bush, both times. I suppose that makes me a racist against whites, huh? If you can't come up with anything else but those tired "you're a racist if you don't vote for Obama" whines, then stop talking, for God's sake. I refuse to be politically blackmailed (oops, is that racist, too?) by race-mongering fascists such as yourself. I'll tell you what, though; the way Obama supporters behave and trash anyone who doesn't worship "the One" right along beside them, I'll be surprised if some new racist aren't created. That much spewed hatred from Obama worshipers can only lead to evil.

Posted by: Griffin | August 14, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

>>Oh God wrote: "[Clinton supporters] look foolish, and pathetic. No use trying to tell you to grow up, I guess. BUT YOU'RE RUINING THINGS FOR THE REST OF US."

It's within our power to do so.

And the Democrats are moving toward pro-life Casey and backing off their abortion rights stand.

And the McCain campaign is implying it might pick a pro-abortion VP.

Seems about right to me.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

American First:

Be careful ... you just used some Bush-Cheney logic to justify your argument about the Rose files. Remeber when the administration posited that there is nothing to fear about the fisa and wiretapping law if you don't have anything to hide? And that would be the fisa and wiretapping law that Senator Obama flip-flopped and vote into law.

Posted by: TLC20011 | August 14, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

All the P.U.M.A. people out there will have themselves to blame if Roe Vs. Wade is overturned in the next 8 years.

No, you're wrong. It would be the fault of those who have forced us to choose between a moderate Republican and an inexperienced, arrogant and sexist Democrat. It's not our fault the Democratic nomination came out the way it did. Is McCain an awful candidate? You bet - but not as awful as Obama.

Posted by: ccw tnr | August 14, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

>>Griffing wrote: "What a bunch of women-hating nutcases you Obama worshipers are. If your fraud has everything sewn up so tightly, what the h@ll are you all foaming at the mouth about? Clinton can't steal the nomination, if the delegates vote her the nominee. That's just the Democratic process at work. We've had at least..."

That's how narcissists are. They take the stage. They will walk all over you unless you set and enforce limits. Their egos grow without bounds and they cannot ever, every share a moment of glory!

I'm unsurprised Obama would want to change all of Democratic convention history to deny Clinton her roll call and nomination, but I'm just surprised it took this long for someone to persuade him he can't get away with it.

Let's see, in letting Clinton (Hillary) speak, he diminished the value of that honor by letting his wife have the first night, as if it's a decorative chick thing.

What passive aggressive thing will he do to undermine the nomination and roll call? Have Ludacris rap out the music before Clinton's turn?

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and PUMA just want a little sumptin, sumptin from Obama. Since Obama refuses to give it to them, they are trying to burn the house down.

Posted by: the_Dude | August 14, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, at this point none of us really know for sure what type of President Hillary or Obama would ultimately make. The best indication we have is the way they've run their respective campaigns:

One came from nowhere, raised more money than anyone else in an innovative way and ran a brilliantly organized, disciplined campaign.

The other came from far ahead (the "presumed nominee"), ran a short-sighted, arrogant campaign, surrounded herself with squabbling sycophants, sqaundered millions of dollars to end up almost 40 million dollars in debt, and lost!

To who would you rather entrust the most most important executive position in the world? All else being equal (and it isn't), this is enough reason to support Obama over Hillary.

Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse


Look!

I'm sorry you're older, and ignored now when you used to be taken seriously and wanted as younger women. Sorry you failed.

I'm sorry your eyes are bagging and your tummys are no longer flat (but not as big as Hillary's big butt, etc)

and I know that what infuriates you about
being no longer pursued or needed much, replaced, etc., is exactly what's in line for me. And every women who's ever grown older.

But have a little class. Try to find somewhere where you do belong. Suck in your gut and don't blame everyone else.

Your look foolish, and pathetic. No use trying to tell you to grow up, I guess. BUT YOU'RE RUINING THINGS FOR THE REST OF US.

Hillary wouldn't give you the time of day, she glommed onto "womans things" when she couldn't win on 'ready first day stuff didn't work. She doesn't give a damn about you-- nor you her, you just want to scream.

Posted by: Oh, God. | August 14, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"What a bunch of women-hating nutcases you Obama worshipers are. If your fraud has everything sewn up so tightly, what the h@ll are you all foaming at the mouth about? Clinton can't steal the nomination, if the delegates vote her the nominee. That's just the Democratic process at work. We've had at least two presidents in the past who've been elected that very way; one of our greatest, FDR, was one of them. Either way, I'm not voting for Obama. He's a nightmare waiting to happen. I'd rather put up with a moderate Republican than have that incompetent, unqualified, cowardly, lying, racist, sexist, extremist, cheating, sleazy THING in office. He'll finish the ruination of this country that Bush started. And to you silly Obama carpet-chewers who insist that voters like me were never really supporters of the Democratic Party, you're just fooling yourselves. I'm an independent who's voted Democratic since the first time I ever voted. Not this year, not unless Senator Clinton in the nominee. Otherwise, it's McCain for me.

Posted by: Griffin"

Just as long as you know what you stand for I suppose. It does make one wonder of one's individual motive for voting.

I know Hillary's stances, and I have seen McCain's. It is VERY hard for me to imagine myself going to the polls against my very ideas of what I personally think needs to happen (first and foremost beyond the candidates), to vote for someone who is far out of touch with me on nearly everything. I'd rather see Hagel in McCain's shoes. Your vote is your business and your right.

If I could just direct your attention to this particular portion of your post in the midst of all else you wrote in that paragraph...

"Either way, I'm not voting for Obama. He's a nightmare waiting to happen. I'd rather put up with a moderate Republican than have that incompetent, unqualified, cowardly, lying, racist, sexist, extremist, cheating, sleazy THING in office."

Nevermind that I can debate on the contrary just about all of the descriptions listed, but that is not the point. I would just say that it's not that Obama is "incompetent, unqualified, cowardly, racist, sexist, extremist, cheating, and sleazy." I would just simply say that it boils down to you just not liking Obama. That is ok, but such excuses are not necessary to simply state that. Furthermore, Hillary has imperfections as well and it is interesting that you must have been supporting her stances, even given her imperfections as well, but you totally disregarded that and focused your descriptions on Obama. If not Hillary to carry on her stances on the issues, then you'll totally support McCain's stances which are very much the opposite???? The only thing I am left to conclude, and I don't mind corrections, is that perhaps you supported her as being the first woman to become President of the United States???

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 14, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

All the P.U.M.A. people out there will have themselves to blame if Roe Vs. Wade is overturned in the next 8 years.

If Clinton supporters undermine Obama and his presidential bid well enough, it just might happen.

Posted by: hatchlaw | August 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse


Hillary has been touting middle class tax cuts, universal health care, a swift end to the war, defending a woman's right to choose. Now in the name of Hillary, many posters here would choose to vote against all of those things. She's more important than her policies.

Doesn't that sound like the idol worship they accuse others of?

Obama supporters are elitist snobs. But they're also stupid airheads who have been tricked by a cult leader. They just don't realize how stupid they are.

Is there a more elitist argument in the book?

I sympathize with those who feel let down (I'd be bummed if he had lost by such a small margin). And if an HRC supporter doesn't trust him and doesn't want to vote for him, that's obviously their legit choice.

But please, when the computer's off, and you're brushing your teeth in the mirror, take a moment to recognize the absurd hypocrisy of some of your rhetoric.

Posted by: Lor | August 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

As I read these comments, I find that the Obama supporters are just like Bush supporters. Obama as flip flopped, lied, and proven to use bad politic tactics (research how Obama got into the Ill. State Senate, which Obama will not talk about it himself) yet like Bush supporters, Obama supporters keeps their eyes and ears closed while coming up with any excuses they can get their hands on. Plus, like Bush and unlike Hillary Clinton, Obama sided with the big oil companies with his vote for Cheneys big oil policies.....but I'm sure Obama supporters will just come up with excuses and more excuses......then again, most of America arent that stupid at all, Hillary does have the most votes in history.

Posted by: Romeo | August 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

That's right Griffin. Obama supporters are ALL woman haters who are taking delight in keeping the lesser sex in their place. Sure, THAT's it.

You on the other hand should not be considered a racist pig for your unsubstantiated spew of demeaning garbage about Obama. You're just being reasonable and insightful...... 'Calling a spade a spade', as it were... ;)

Posted by: cometboy | August 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

TLC20011,

I dont disagree with what you said, what you missed is that this was caused by her not turning over the info. If she had nothing to hide then everything would have turned out ok. Instead like you said it cost GOPers their job but it also caused Dubya to get elected. She voted for the war, and then said she wouldnt do it again, then turns right around and votes to give Dubya the authority to do the same to Iran. By the way where is Hillary from?

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse


Swingstate

You clinton supporter. Your threat to throw the election to McCain has

exactly the same threat as Bush threatening Russia. A silly joke, no there there.

Go vote for McCain. There aren't enough of you OR enough McCain supporters to
elect anything.


Even when you get your way you still gripe wretchedly .
You're just miserable unhappy leftovers
(like Hillary, who is a loser whenever thre's a real contest. Billy Boy and the zionists bought her New York but they couldn't buy her a real contest, could they?

Posted by: shut up | August 14, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Before reading over "reasonable womans post" in depth you would think she is another ignorant bongo supporter,,but tie that type of cunning to the sudden plan to eliminate the feloney=no vote rule in favor of adding a few million more of them and you see how far they will go.
Those people actually thought the clintons would go away by now,,think a little when she didnt let her delegates go, better have lots of cops ready outside and lockup the tv shops.

Posted by: mcnertny | August 14, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Griffin,

I am not a "woman-hating nutcase". In fact, I would have voted for Hillary had she won. Let me repeat (I'm anonymous below):

95% OF HILLARY'S AND OBAMA'S PROPOSED POLICIES ARE THE SAME (READ UP ON IT)!

Why, therefore, the Obama hatred? Before accusing anyone of being "woman-hating" you should examine your own irrational bias against Obama. What's up?

Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of women-hating nutcases you Obama worshipers are. If your fraud has everything sewn up so tightly, what the h@ll are you all foaming at the mouth about? Clinton can't steal the nomination, if the delegates vote her the nominee. That's just the Democratic process at work. We've had at least two presidents in the past who've been elected that very way; one of our greatest, FDR, was one of them. Either way, I'm not voting for Obama. He's a nightmare waiting to happen. I'd rather put up with a moderate Republican than have that incompetent, unqualified, cowardly, lying, racist, sexist, extremist, cheating, sleazy THING in office. He'll finish the ruination of this country that Bush started. And to you silly Obama carpet-chewers who insist that voters like me were never really supporters of the Democratic Party, you're just fooling yourselves. I'm an independent who's voted Democratic since the first time I ever voted. Not this year, not unless Senator Clinton in the nominee. Otherwise, it's McCain for me.

Posted by: Griffin | August 14, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Volubrjotr

Youtube? LMFAO. Yeah right, every morning after I get my coffee I go to youtube for all my news.

Posted by: Arny | August 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse


Maybe they'll shut up?

Doubt it.

In any case, the nasty Clintons are making themselves known. Ugly, low class thieves. No one in the democratic party hieracy is pleased with their stuff.

And it'll count against them next time.
There won't be a next time.
Maybe it's worth it to get the ugly bi''h gone.

Posted by: A reasonable woman | August 14, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Are people here really that clueless, unable to see that the people stirring up fights between the Obama and Clinton backers here are Republican partisans trying to split the party? This is what Republicans do. They cannot win on the merits of their party, so they try every base, cowardly tactic they can think of.

I too have my feelings about Obama and Clinton, but they are not relevant at the moment. I am voting Democratic in the fall. We have to keep the neocons from further destroying the country. Please remember that. Thank you.

****************************************************************

You're right of course. I fact Hillary has never had any real support from Democrats. Most all of her support has come from Republicans that know running against Hillary is their chance to win.

Posted by: DWayne | August 14, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Hi dnjake,

"...How at a Democratic Party convention could close to half the delegates insist that some time be spent considering their views?..."

and SwingState,

"...Maybe you should try some civilized discussion about what matters..."
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What is there to discuss? 95% of Hillary and Obama's policies (and potential platform) are the same! The only thing Hillary and her supporters want to discuss is how Hillary and Bill can satisfy their own egos by getting back in the White House, even if they have to derail Obama's campaign and try again in 2012.

Get real!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

BARRY PLAYING THE SKIN FLUTE WITH LARRY SINCLAIR...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZIR4nTAZaY&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iKcmFYVpOI&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0bm1QHXAig&feature=related

Elitists are also well known for Promiscuity...........

Billy C and the Lewinski dress...Edwards for diversion on Obama's same sex knob job...Lawsuit filed on DNC and this will be interesting this fall

Posted by: Volubrjotr | August 14, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Observer, hey, way to go with the misogyny. It looks like you've had some practice. And just to clear up any misunderstanding, you're assuming I'm a woman, right? Well, you'd be wrong *again*. Please, please tell me you aren't really a Democrat because I wouldn't want to be associated with you in any way.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Goo goo, gaa gaa. Goo goo...pppssssttt.

Waaaaaahhhh....Waaaaaahhh.

Bill, I just poopie my pants. Will you lick my azz for me.

Posted by: Hilary | August 14, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Are people here really that clueless, unable to see that the people stirring up fights between the Obama and Clinton backers here are Republican partisans trying to split the party? This is what Republicans do. They cannot win on the merits of their party, so they try every base, cowardly tactic they can think of.

I too have my feelings about Obama and Clinton, but they are not relevant at the moment. I am voting Democratic in the fall. We have to keep the neocons from further destroying the country. Please remember that. Thank you.

Posted by: Mark | August 14, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

HRC will never be nominated to run for President, much less win it -- regardless of whether Obama wins in November. Either way, she has burned her bridges to the party and nearly as many Dems as Reps now despise her. SNIPER FIRE! SNIPER FIRE! Oops, my bad, just a girl scout with flowers. It's time to scrape the Clintons from the bottoms of our shoes and move on from the divisive, selfish, politics of lies and triangulation that they represent.

Posted by: Dolph924 | August 14, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering who forced Barack Obama to see the light and break his narcissistic me-me-me behavior.

And what other things passive aggressive thing he might come up with between now and the convention to infuriate Clinton supporters since he seems dead set against graciousness and unity except for forced lip service.

Maybe he can give Clinton a really, really hard fist-bump and knock her off the stage so that only his historic primary campaign can stand alone at least symbolically.

Maybe he can invite Ludicrous perform at the convention?

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

For about two seconds, there was an AP BRIEF stating a federal judge ruled Saudi Arabia is not liable for 9-11. AP gave it four paragraphs. I repeat. The nation of the nineteen Saudis who murdered 3,000 Americans cannot be held liable because an American judge said so. There of course will be no coverage of this, our beloved House of Saud and their deviant son. This nation is bought, sold and delivered to Big Oil America and the Carlyle Group! Pathetic shell of a former great country.
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And the reason Saudi Arabia can't be sued is because the attacks were at the direction of the NSA & Israel's Massad not at the direction of Saudi Arabia.
I guess you missed that salient point.

Posted by: DWayne | August 14, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

NinaK, you are disgusting! You badmouth other Dems and then wonder why they won't vote for Obama. Look in the mirror.

Posted by: morningglory51
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Yes, I know some people, people like you, find the truth to be disgusting.
FACT: Hilliary is not to be trustes
FACT: Hilliary IS FAT
FACT: Her supports have been belligerent and whiney and calling Mr. Obama and his supporters all kinds of filthy dirty names and lying big time about Obama.
I do not need YOU telling me I am disgusting, take a good look at your fellow Hilliary fans and yourself who have been disgusting, liars, slanderers, and putting untruths out there.

Tell me, how can Hilliary be trusted, considering the many lies, lies, lies that she told during the primary???

Tell me Hilliary is NOT fat!!

Tell me her supporters, such as PUMA are not whiners, slanderers, etc!!!

Posted by: NinaK | August 14, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse


Michelle Obama is a pig.

Posted by: Lisa | August 14, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, don't go away mad, just go away. Let Obama get on with it, please.

Posted by: turbo | August 14, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

What children the Clinton's and their backers are. Insisting that she be nominated is just not team play. Those that leave the convention should be kicked out of the party for good. Let them start their own old-white-women's party. This is just more disgusting me-first attitude from the Clintons and even worse from their childish sore-loser delegates. Here's hoping Obama's contributors pay NONE of her debts and that he wins in a landslide despite the selfish, immmature posturing of Bill and the Old Women. Grow up! Those who prefer McBush over Obama? They have no opinions worth respecting and it's high time Obama and crew stopped kow-towing to them. And folks wonder why she isn't on the ticket?

Posted by: Dolph T | August 14, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters be damned. They acted a fool at the RBC meeting in DC.

After she lost, they demanded she be placed on the ticket. Obama supporters be nice.

Then they demanded Obama (if he were truly about unity) solicit his supporters to pay off her unnecessary debt. He did that. Obama supporters be nice.

Then they wanted Hillary to speak. He did that. Obama supporters be nice.

In the same week where she was encouraging her supporters by her floor vote considerations, her out of control husband couldn't even acknowledge Obama was qualified. Obama digressed and offered him the Wed speaking slot. Obama supporters be nice.

Now they (yet again) are getting their way by placing her name for a floor vote. Obama supporters be nice.

What party unity has her rabid supporters exhibited throughout? It was us (O's supporters) who are asked to be conciliatory when we are not getting anything similar in return.

If Hell's supporters don't want to vote for Obama then don't. If John "put me wife in the wet t-shirt contest" McCain is the better option then choose him.

Enough w/kissing the helm of the clinton's and her rabid supporters a*ses!

Posted by: Enough! | August 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I think a point that many are overlooking is:

If someone never particularly cared for Clinton or how this result was reached, how can he or she be convinced that there is, in fact, any need to show the deference, respect, placation, etc., so many of her zealous supporters are demanding?

I think that is that is the issue that is causing consternation among many observers...

Posted by: Goombay | August 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Love you Both Obama and Clinton The world Loves you as well. You both will do Great thing to come in America.

Clinton and Obama Supporter 100%
Bahama for Obama and the Clintons

The Commonwealth Of The Bahamas
The Free world.

Posted by: Ian | August 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

(Corrected Version) Well, Hilliary and her whining supporters get their way all in the name of "peace"! BS! I do NOT trust Hilliary any futher than I can throw her and since she is fat and weighs much more than I do, I wouldn't be able to begin to lift her to throw. I am glad we, Obama supporters, did not go out of our way to help pay her $23 million debt!! But then, guess what? Her own supporters never contributed enough to her anyway and were less inclined to do so after Senator Obama won the nomination. Some supporters she had/has-----all mouth and whine but lock their checkbooks to her!! Guess they just like to hear themselves be belligerant and whiney.

Posted by: NinaK | August 14, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Have any of you Hillary Supporters remembered that she VOTED TO GIVE BUSH THE WAR AUTHORITY?

Just based on that she deserves prison, let alone the nomination.

Get over yourselves.

Posted by: Mike of Atlanta | August 14, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

NinaK, you are disgusting! You badmouth other Dems and then wonder why they won't vote for Obama. Look in the mirror.

Posted by: morningglory51 | August 14, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

SwingState - As a likely Obama voter, I would retract the "get over it" comments and have them replaced with "drop dead". A lot of us have decided to vote for Obama, but will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton and WONT vote for a Democratic ticket that has her on it. So, please take your lack of upport and go somewhere else. We detest you bloated ancient hags, leftovers from 1960's feminism, a collection of self serving, self indulent crones that has always been an embarrasement to the Domcratic Party. As for you "support", when any disinterested observer subtracts the Republican voters and genuine moderate Democatts that merely preferred Clinton to Obama from your 18 million, I figure you have half a million hyserical hags, tops. Your welcome is worn out, we're sick to death of your yammering, your character assasinations, your old woman constant nagging, and your inabiity to face rsality. So, PLEASE, drop dead!

Posted by: Observer | August 14, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

American First --

Two things:

The Rose Law firm papers kerfuffle and the rest of the Whitewater investigation was a completely over-the-top and cruel fishing expedition launched by political opponents who believed that Bill Clinton was unentitled and unfit to be president,from the beginning of his administration. You will recall that the more Republican officials lost their jobs over the investigation than did Clinton administration officials or Clinton associates and that the president left office with a string of economic and foriegn policy successes that was the envy of his predecessor and his successor. The whole mess led to the downfall of the Republican Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, and the Speaker-To-Be, Bob Livingston, as well as the outing of outing of the Grand Inquistitor of the House Judiciary Committee, Dan Burton, who was revealed to be a philanderer and a dead-beat absentee dad to his girlfriend's love-child. So, don't go blaming Hillary for not throwing redmeat to the dogs who were chasing her family.

And second -- since when was it the responsibilty of the Vice President of the United States to manage the federal debt or the budget deficit?

Posted by: TLC20011 | August 14, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

This is great news. This means the "Queen of Lies" still has a chance to get the senile old fool McCrazy elected. He doesn't have a prayer against Obama but the "Queen of Lies" will bring out every non scum bag in the country to vote against her. Regardless of who they have to vote for. Americans will hold their nose and vote against Shillary.

Posted by: DWayne | August 14, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

dnjake,

Its simple, the Hillary contingent wants to strong arm their way in. They are not satisfied that their candidate lost so they want some praise for what i dont know. So if McCain wins they can all thank themselves for 4 more years of misery. I can only imagine if the roles were reversed. I bet Obama wouldnt demand this even though an African American running to me is just as if not more important than a woman running. The Hillary lovers demand everything they dont ask, and that my friend turns everyone off. She thinks if she can disrupt now it will open the door for her in 2012. But i got news for you, the way she and her supporters have behaved she will be lucky to get a vote for local dog catcher in 2012.....

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

When Hillary wanted Mich and FL to be counted in the primaries, Obama strongly objected. After Hillary was out of the race, he asked that Mich and FL votes be counted.
So how will they work that out?

Posted by: morningglory51 | August 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the Obama campaign is as certain as it can be that Hillary can't actually get the votes, before doing this. I will be glad to see this all behind us soon.

Posted by: George Robertson | August 14, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, Hilliary and her whining supporters get their way all in the name of "peace"! BS! I do NOT trust Hilliary any futher than I can throw her and since she is fat and weighs much more than I do, I wouldn't be able to begin to lift her to throw. I am glad we, Obama supporters, did not go our of our way to help pay her humonous debt!! But then, guess what? Her own supporters never contributed to her anyway and were less inclined to help her out after Senator Obama won the nomination. Some supporters she had/has-----all mouth and whine but lock their checkbooks!!

Posted by: NinaK | August 14, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

For about two seconds, there was an AP BRIEF stating a federal judge ruled Saudi Arabia is not liable for 9-11. AP gave it four paragraphs. I repeat. The nation of the nineteen Saudis who murdered 3,000 Americans cannot be held liable because an American judge said so. There of course will be no coverage of this, our beloved House of Saud and their deviant son. This nation is bought, sold and delivered to Big Oil America and the Carlyle Group! Pathetic shell of a former great country.

Posted by: BOB II | August 14, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The bitter Hillary Supporters would rather see McCain help Bush continue to ruin the middle class than to see a black man become president.

To you Hillary supporters: It was SHE who ran the dirty campaign. He never got into a pissing or mudslinging match. He stayed the gentleman.

If you're angry and want to blame someone for Hillary's "sexist" mistreatment, blame the media. Don't vote for Tom Brokaw for president.

Obama didn't play ANY dirty tricks in the campaign, and you know it.

So get over yourselves. Obama isn't your enemy, and neither are his supporters.

The people making the rude comments about Hillary were, and always will be, the Fox News, McCain-supporting rightwingers.

Anyone who votes for McCain is not, and never was a Democrat. They are just lost sheep.

Posted by: Mike of Atlanta | August 14, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"What do want people who plan to vote for Obama to do to get your support? Kiss your butt or wash and oil your feet? It seems we have to mollify you, OR ELSE. Enjoying your power to help put McCain in the WH next January? In reality, what you will help to accomplish is the destruction of Hillary's political career."
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Well, that's certainly not the way to change my mind. Maybe you should try some civilized discussion about what matters. Oh, and *you* will be the one that got McCain elected, but you don't see that yet, do you?

Posted by: SwingState | August 14, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama was a brilliant student, she is an eloquent speaker and an intellectual, and she and her husband make me very proud to be an American.
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Then where has the America hating gorilla been lately?

Barry's handlers have her chained in the backyard.

Posted by: Lisa | August 14, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The self absobed myopia of Obama's supporters continues to amaze me. How could a candidate with close to half the votes be so unreasonable as to want her name put in nomination? How, after all the months and money spent on the nomination selection process, could anyone want to actually bother to count the votes? How at a Democratic Party convention could close to half the delegates insist that some time be spent considering their views? How could the level of attention justified by all the votes for Hillary Clinton be presented as an Obama favor?

Posted by: dnjake | August 14, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

DCDave:
Obama did best against Clinton in the caucuses, everything else was pretty close. I hope everyone realizes there aren't going to be any caucuses in November. I'm going go out on a limb and suggest that it's probably going to be easier for Obama to get votes from Democrats than Independents or Republicans and maybe that's where he should focus his efforts. Putting Clinton's name into nomination will help but I'm not sure what his chances are without her as VP.

Posted by: SwingState | August 14, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The "get over it" message to Clinton supporters is just plain stupid. Alienate us and you're likely to lose the general election. You better start thinking about how to solidify your base.
Posted by: SwingState | August 14, 2008 4:53 PM
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What do want people who plan to vote for Obama to do to get your support? Kiss your butt or wash and oil your feet? It seems we have to mollify you, OR ELSE. Enjoying your power to help put McCain in the WH next January? In reality, what you will help to accomplish is the destruction of Hillary's political career.

Posted by: sandra | August 14, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chevy-Redneck: Check out Ancestry.com. You might have some Black Blood coursing through your veins. Barack, the one you call Barry, didn't have a choice in who his parents were. Neither did I, and neither did you. Keep waving the Confederate flag, and keep spouting your racism. When Obama wins in November, don't cry too much in your beer. It'll lose it's taste.

Posted by: jrev7620042000 | August 14, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama did not have a choice.

Clinton supporter were moving toward securing the signitures needed and Clinton most likely would have signed the petition to place her name on the ballot.

She had already expressed how important she felt it was that her supporters be given the recognition they so rightly deserve.

Posted by: 5280sail | August 14, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

fellow Obamaneans... ignor the repug trolls and their lap dogs... the PUMA freaks. HRC is done. Think about the facts. When she went with "hard working white people" she sealed her fate. She will not be re-elected to her Senate seat in New York... (lost the black vote), she ended up $38 Million in debt and talk of her in any leading Democrat Leadership position has become an inside joke on Jenkins Hill as we know her real Poll numbers. She begged for the spot at the convention because that is her only hope... to get Obama elected and hope for an Appointment. She and her pretend Husband are both dead meat in a white whine cream sauce. This is both their swan song and a crevice of an opportunity.

DO NOT TAKE THE BAIT OF the repugs. The racist rants of those on this board so well exemplified by Diane72 actually help us. They are not against Obama... they are for McCain.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

So Chevy, Is Karl Rove any good in the sack?

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Swing state, you are right. Kids today huh, they win the primary and they think winning the general will be cake. I don't know where they learned their math, but I suppose there is a chance that they can win a general election on the basis of 14 million primary Obama voters without the 14 million HRC voters. Hmmmm on second thought probably not.

Right now Obama looks alot more like John Kerry than he does Bill Clinton.

Consult your history books children, one was what we call a 'President' the other one an 'also ran' (No offense BTW Sen Kerry, I voted for you too).

Posted by: DCDave | August 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Neocons hell bent on making sure McCain is elected are behind this scam. Hillary plays ball to get her money back.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:15 Pm =========================================== Yes sir. This election is stacked to the ceiling. I read an article last week that said the big money had Obama losing. I guess they know what their talking about. If Bush can get away with murdering a million people, why should a little'ol election stand in his way

Posted by: Mike | August 14, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

As a supporter of Barack Obama from the beginning, I have no problem with Mrs. Clinton being placed in nomination. It was an historic campaign. She deserves to take a bow.

Some things matter and others don't. A name being placed in nomination is a don't. Winning the White House in November is a does.

Posted by: amaikovich | August 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

TLC20011,

No problem on the posting. I am a big fan of Bill's, didnt vote for him but you cannot deny the greatness he displayed while president. Now Hillary is undercutting her party because she cannot get her constituents in line. She is they one who wants her debt relieved even though she spent like a drunken sailor. So if she cant control her campaign finances how is she going to control the national debt? Also must of Bill's white house problems where caused by her, not turning over her Rose law firm papers. If she cared about her party or this country she should tell her supporters to rally around Barak and quit the snipping.

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

LOL LOL Gotta go DEMS.. My God I loce this place, best humor in the world.

Diane72 Thanks for the gut wretching laughs, you're the best!!

Flairing nostrills?

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | August 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Man every village idiot in america must be posting on here right now. If I were a repug I would be happy.

Posted by: DCDave | August 14, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"Educated" and "Redneck" are two opposites that can't meet unless the laws of physics are completely wrong.

Posted by: Rockasaurus | August 14, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"I fear American's like Timothy McVeigh, a racist white pseudo-christian, alot more than I fear Muslims."

Sure, pick out an exception. McVeigh did not represent Americans.

Posted by: Billw
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And Bin Laden doesnt represent all Muslims.

Posted by: D | August 14, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I went from thinking Hillary was a good person to now thinking she is a real sleazy person. She has no dignity or respect for the person who won. I will throw them under any bus any day of the week now. They get no more respect. If you can't lose with respect then you don't deserve respect at all. Period!

Posted by: JamesP | August 14, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Who *are* you people? I've been voting for Democrats for 30 years. I've voted for Claire McCaskill in every race she's ever won. I voted for Hillary in the primary here and the win went to Obama by 2%. Doesn't sound like a referendum to me. Do you think Republicans in Missouri voted for Clinton? If you do, you're delusional conspiracy theorists. The "get over it" message to Clinton supporters is just plain stupid. Alienate us and you're likely to lose the general election. You better start thinking about how to solidify your base. Now. Otherwise, you're going to have some explaining to do to Obama come November.

Posted by: SwingState | August 14, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

NOTE TO ALL _ Dianne72 and Chevy (and this toxic creep poosts as "Anonymous" and other several other names), are both PAID employees of a GOP boiler room. The GOP has establsihed several of these and *most* of the more toxic posts by vermin on these forums comes from them. Write to the Post and other forums hosts to demand that you want this nonsense stopped. Require genuine i.d. from every poster and allow them one and only one post name. Use filtering software to sniff out multiple posts, using identical or nearly identical remarks. Prevent them, banned them once and for all, if they post something obviously untrue. Dianne72, under various names, is in a variety of forums, where he/she/it posts some nutty rumor. After everyone pounces on "her" for a while or "she" is caught in an obvious outright lie, "she" goes off to some other forum and repeats the same stuff. After a few days, "she" returns to the same paper route of forums. "She" should be flat out banned from doing this.. or of posting at all. One thing the Post can do, right now, is release the email addresses and other personal information concerning these "people". It might be nice to pay their boiler room a little visit.

Posted by: Observer | August 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I now come to this site for my comedy. Loons abound....hilarious, jokes from top to bottom.

Posted by: Funny | August 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Dear Anonymous,

I'm afraid you're right about the intelligence level of most of these anti-Obama comments (This is the Washington Post readership? I can only hope, for the sake of the Post advertisers, that these people only happen upon the Post if it is mistakenly stuck to the back of their weekly purchase of the National Enquirer or US magazine!)

Anyway, as to your point about Huffington Post: the problem is that most readers of the Huffpost don't need to hear these things -- these idiots do! I get no satisfaction preaching to the choir!

Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse


"I fear American's like Timothy McVeigh, a racist white pseudo-christian, alot more than I fear Muslims."

Sure, pick out an exception. McVeigh did not represent Americans.

Posted by: Billw | August 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Chevy....Newsflash....McCain was humping Empty headed, wild eye, drug addict, horse opening rodeo c$nt, while sticking his foot up his crippled wife and childrens' arses....Literally!! Boy, those repugs are way too funny...

Oh by the way, whatever happy to the rethug, old arse senator who got his arse thrown to the ground, locked up and embarrassed his wife for trying to suck the cops d$ck in the bathroom? ROTFLMAO....He was a staunch gay hater rethug and turned out to be one himself....Wow...gotta be more careful

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Chevy wrote:

I've now been in 59 states, I think one left to go. Alaska and Mexico" Barry Obama - LATimes

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html

LOL and the little libbies wonder why Racist Barry Obama is tanking.

LOL LOL 59 states with Mexico being one of them?

Just Brilliant Barry

Chevy - Highly Educated Redneck

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The man was tired! By the way, how many times have McCain "misspoken" concerning his impressive grasp of Iraq????? John McCain's misspeaking lead to thousands of people killed!!!!

Posted by: SteelWheel1 | August 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse


Congratulations to Anne Kornblut and the Washington Post

for the superb quality of their posters, the posters they draw.

Chevy just about gets it...some others are close.

But at the Post, of course, you an say anything at all as long as it doesn't crtitize Israel in any way. THAT gets censored as Ghandi got censured. Perfect.

Posted by: Disgusted | August 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's official, Obama has turned the convention over to the Clintons and their band of merry PUMA nuts. When McCAin waltzes into the WH, where do these outraged women think is going to happen to women's rights in general? Hillary's big issue for years has been universal health care. What do the Hillary women think is going to happen to that. I'll tell you, any sort of plan to help with health care costs will be thrown in the crapper. I live in New York and I voted for Hillary in the primary and in her senate bids. New York will always have good, electable, Democrats running for Senate seats here. Good thing, because there is no way in Hell I will vote for her again in any capacity. This is all BS that that Hillary Clinton could have stopped in June.

Posted by: sandra | August 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

DEM Humping News

Muslim, Racist, Barry Hussein Obama is the DEMS first Black presidential candidate and it was created by a white woman who was all horned up one Night and decided to have a one-night Hump in Africa to a native tribesman who had multiple wifes.

It's important to bring this to light because the final product (Barry) is the sum of it's parts. And the parts ain't lookin all that good.


Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM Humping News

Posted by: Chevy | August 14, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

DEM Humping News the media will not print.

John Edwards while humping another woman whines to America for votes about his wife dying of terminal cancer.

How LOW can a DEM go? Only a DEM would pimp out his dying wife for votes while humping another woman.

CNN verified his latest Motel escapade with Motel's security as Edwards was caught hiding in the mens room from the press while on a pre-planned one-night humping romp.

The Humper's wife has disappeared since this story broke.

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM Humping News

Posted by: Chevy | August 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse


Diane 72

HAVE you ever seen fat super bellied Hillary next to Michelle?

You won't either. Stubby little Hill won't walk near. She knows how the comparison would look.

If you want to ballyhoo Hillary, perhaps try something other than looks. Hillary is a toad. (wouldn't critize her as such if it weren't her own doing...she can't stop eating...)

Posted by: Helena | August 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Attention all intelligent Obama supporters......the dirty cocker roaches from the trailer park PUMA's and rethugs have all just entered the comment section. I suggest you leave the comment section to discuss find a better one on Huffingtonpost. They are a lot more civilized and can hold better conversations.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

How many McCain keychain points to you get Dianne 72 for sharing that bit of shameful trash talking point about Michele Obama on the blogosphere?

Posted by: Sara B. | August 14, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

FACT: Muslim Racist Barry Obama hawked a LUGGI at our wounded men in uniform because he couldn't get a photo op to say "Hey, Look at me"

DEM News the media will not print.

Muslim, Racist, Barry Hussein Obama is the DEMS first Black presidential candidate and it was created by a white woman who was all horned up one Night and decided to have a one-night Hump in Africa to a native tribesman who had multiple wifes.

It's important to bring this to light because the final product (Barry) is the sum of it's parts. And the parts ain't lookin all that good.

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News

Posted by: Chevy | August 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

American First -- I posted my response to you under your screen name and not my own. Many Apologies ... TLC20011

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In what way is Senator Clinton trying to undercut her own party or country? Senators Obama and Clinton seem to like each other enough and seem to be conducting their friendship and cross-communitcations with a great deal more tact and grace and diplomacy than most of their so-called supporters here on the blogs. Senator Obama has asked her to campaign for him and she has preformed magnificently. Senator Clinton has asked that the nomination process at this convention be conducted similarly to the nomination process at conventions that date back to the beginning of our party and the two camps and the party have agreed to do so.

So, if the two warrior-leaders can come to agreement, why can't all of us non-belligerant bystanders just chill-out and stop assigning negative intent to each and every move made by the candidate that we did not support in the primaries?

As for an Obama-Clinton ticket ... you have to admit that it would be a game-changing move that McCain could not possibly match. Even if he put Bloomberg or Liebermann on his ticket, McCain would not be able to top the energy and excitement that would be generated by an Obama-Clinton ticket. Obama paired with anybody else provides less of a challenge for McCain paired with anybody. If Obama really wants to swing for the fence and is serious about hitting the ground running, even before the 20 Jan 2009 Inaugural, Clinton is a sure thing.

And, as for the former president being around to offer advice to a Vice President Clinton ... I don't see how that's anymore of a problem that it will be for Michelle Obama being around to offer advice to a President Obama. At least the former president will have walked a few miles in the shoes of the leader of the free world. And the vast majority of us life-long Democrats still think he did a pretty damn good job. I'm sure some of a President Obama's plans will include undoing some of the changes that were wrought by the current administration. Having the architect of our 1990's peace and proserity around to help with some of the heavy thinking and heavy lifting ain't exactly a bad thing.

Posted by: TLC20011 | August 14, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I've now been in 59 states, I think one left to go. Alaska and Mexico" Barry Obama - LATimes

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html

LOL and the little libbies wonder why Racist Barry Obama is tanking.

LOL LOL 59 states with Mexico being one of them?

Just Brilliant Barry

Chevy - Highly Educated Redneck

Posted by: Chevy | August 14, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

In what way is Senator Clinton trying to undercut her own party or country? Senators Obama and Clinton seem to like each other enough and seem to be conducting their friendship and cross-communitcations with a great deal more tact and grace and diplomacy than most of their so-called supporters here on the blogs. Senator Obama has asked her to campaign for him and she has preformed magnificently. Senator Clinton has asked that the nomination process at this convention be conducted similarly to the nomination process at conventions that date back to the beginning of our party and the two camps and the party have agreed to do so.

So, if the two warrior-leaders can come to agreement, why can't all of us non-belligerant bystanders just chill-out and stop assigning negative intent to each and every move made by the candidate that we did not support in the primaries?

As for an Obama-Clinton ticket ... you have to admit that it would be a game-changing move that McCain could not possibly match. Even if he put Bloomberg or Liebermann on his ticket, McCain would not be able to top the energy and excitement that would be generated by an Obama-Clinton ticket. Obama paired with anybody else provides less of a challenge for McCain paired with anybody. If Obama really wants to swing for the fence and is serious about hitting the ground running, even before the 20 Jan 2009 Inaugural, Clinton is a sure thing.

And, as for the former president being around to offer advice to a Vice President Clinton ... I don't see how that's anymore of a problem that it will be for Michelle Obama being around to offer advice to a President Obama. At least the former president will have walked a few miles in the shoes of the leader of the free world. And the vast majority of us life-long Democrats still think he did a pretty damn good job. I'm sure some of a President Obama's plans will include undoing some of the changes that were wrought by the current administration. Having the architect of our 1990's peace and proserity around to help with some of the heavy thinking and heavy lifting ain't exactly a bad thing.

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hemihead,

The Hillary supporters have a short memory, they forget it was her actions that lead to her husbands impeachment trial, You remember Whitewater dont you Hillary supporters? If you notice they only attack the african-american origins of Barak and now i see his wife. Hillary has never done anything but ride her husbands coattails, the Clintons were big supporters and dreamed of having an African American run for president, they just didnt figure they would be running against them...

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Muslim Racist Hussein NoBama hucks a LUGGI at the White race

"My grandmother is a typical White person" Racist Barry Obama 03/21/2008.

Barry Obama spits in the face of the white race yet some low-lifes on here still support this racist pig.

You idiots that support this white hating racist have no shame.

You're the lowest of the lowest to have someone spit in your face and say

"He's got my Vote"

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News

Posted by: Chevy | August 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Bye Bye Barry

Posted by: Jack Straw | August 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse


Chevy, you're the perfect Clinton supporter.

Ugly, beneath contempt.

Posted by: if only | August 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Muslim Racist Hussein NoBama hucks a LUGGI at the White race

"My grandmother is a typical White person" Racist Barry Obama 03/21/2008.

Barry Obama spits in the face of the white race yet some low-lifes on here still support this racist pig.

You idiots that support this white hating racist have no shame.

You're the lowest of the lowest to have someone spit in your face and say

"He's got my Vote"

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News

Posted by: Chevy | August 14, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Dear Asian Indian (11:59AM):

I don't have to read further than your first 2 "reasons" for not supporting Obama to realize that you are either a moron or that you have drunk deeply from either the Hillary or McCain kool-aid jar:

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1. Remember the church he attended for 20 years.
2. Remember how he ditched his pastor when it was politically the right thing
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How do you reconcile these complaints? Should he have stayed with the church or not? Damned if he did, damned because he didn't. You should write ads for McCain. They sink to the same level of brainless propaganda!

Posted by: robert | August 14, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Barry Hussein Obama Chooses Murder the Baby if Born Alive

This racist dirtbag opposed a bill to protect the life of an infant who survived a late-term abortion. This ofcourse violates the equal protection act which makes NObama nothing more then a Baby Murderer"

Hussein Obama while Illinois state senator, opposed a state version of the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which passed the U.S. Senate in 2002 by a
We Now Know Barry Hussein Obama is a Baby Killer!

This racist dirtbag opposed a bill to protect the life of an infant who survived a late-term abortion.

Hussein Obama while Illinois state senator, opposed a state version of the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which passed the U.S. Senate in 2002 by a unanimous vote. The law prevents the killing of Babies.

Anyone supporting this dirtbag is an animal.

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News

Posted by: Chevy | August 14, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

What a waste of time. What a distraction. Obama better have gotten something good in return, This action is all about kissing Hillary;s butt and reminding everyone how the Clintons have to be the center of attention - good attention, bad attention.
I am disgusted

Posted by: nclwtk | August 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Barry Hussein Obama Chooses Murder the Baby if Born Alive

This racist dirtbag opposed a bill to protect the life of an infant who survived a late-term abortion. This ofcourse violates the equal protection act which makes NObama nothing more then a Baby Murderer"

Hussein Obama while Illinois state senator, opposed a state version of the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which passed the U.S. Senate in 2002 by a
We Now Know Barry Hussein Obama is a Baby Killer!

This racist dirtbag opposed a bill to protect the life of an infant who survived a late-term abortion.

Hussein Obama while Illinois state senator, opposed a state version of the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which passed the U.S. Senate in 2002 by a unanimous vote. The law prevents the killing of Babies.

Anyone supporting this dirtbag is an animal.

Chevy - Educated Redneck - Bringing you up-to-date DEM News

Posted by: Chevy | August 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse


Very proud of Obama...

But this is the second thing he's done that made me angry. He's too much a gentleman, particularly dealing with the tacky Clinton trash.

The first thing he did I detested when he spoke before the zionist lobby, AIPAC.

Mostly, though, he's an amazing gift in this stuggling country. Suppose the Clintons had had another go at their grubby money grubbing!

Posted by: Twinkins | August 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

What a tragedy.. Hillary's votes were inflated by Republicans voting for her during the primaries. When is this madness going to end. I am soooooo sick of the Clinton's thinking that America owes them something "just because". Listen she ran a horrible campaign, she was over confident and she loss. Move ON.. and all these sorry arse women who worship Hillary ahould get a life and place their allegiance in a higher power.

Posted by: lg. | August 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"Some Clinton backers had said they would leave the convention after Clinton speaks on Tuesday night, as part of an ongoing protest against Obama's nomination."

What a bunch of pathetic sore losers. They should jump off a bridge already.

Posted by: Grow up and quit your tantrums | August 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I dont understand why people still support Obama after learning everything we have learnt so far.
1. Remember the church he attended for 20 years.
2. Remember how he ditched his pastor when it was politically the right thing to do after being with him for 20 years.

3. Remember that he voted that if a baby is born from botched abortion it should be allowed to DIE. Please read about this.

more comments below. ====================================================================================== What kind of sick freak writes about botched abortions to win an election. Would you rather it lived with half a brain, or some other kind of deformity. Why don't you go jump off a cliff. Take Hillary Clinton with you.

Posted by: HemiHead | August 14, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Franklin D. Fogarty wrote:

Obama's excessive, even ridiculous, kowtowing to Hillary is going to get him a well-deserved kick in the pants.
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I couldn't agree with you more. Senator Obama at some point needs to put her and Bill in their proper place. I tell you what if Billary pulls a slick on at the convention the Democrat party will splinter so bad that even Dan Quayle could win the election for the Republicans.

Posted by: SteelWheel1 | August 14, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama

1) intelligent
2) Ivy league college education
3) Ivy league college education
4) tall
5) slim & work out 3-4 days a week
6) Pretty
7) Great wife w/ an extremly intelligent man
8) Wonderful soccer mom
9)Great career
10) Spiritual
11) Can hold her own
12) Married to the next POTUS
13)Great dresser (everyone wants to look like her)
14) smart
15)Great person

Diane72....now I see what your problem is. That hater juice can sometimes make a jealous person go absolutely NUTS...when they are the complete opposite. Bow down!

Posted by: Lucy | August 14, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

STRAIGHT to the Convention!!!

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 14, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

It really IS all about Hillary, isn't it?

Honest to Pete, if the Hillary Harpies really believe that sociopathic crazy flip-flopping McCain is the best candidate, let them vote for him. If they don't, let them stay home. All 38 of them.

Posted by: Helena Montana | August 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

What a sore loser.

If they (Clintons) are true Democrats they would have gotten behind Obama and truly urged her supporters to do the same thing.

Hillary you lost and you CANNOT win - get over it.

I will never vote for either one of you again and if you think you will never have my support just think of the African Americans who you are ticking off.

Posted by: Sore Loser | August 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse


Dianne 72

No one with any class would write what you have just written.

Michelle Obama has outpolled Mrs. McCain in several major publications on grace and fashion style. Hillary, big bellied, thunder thighs fat Hillary, who cannot
even CONTROL HER WIGHT, let alone her campaign, wasn't even considered. Too embarrassing!

In fact I saw her at a fundraising event early in the game, when we considered supporting her, grab a big batch of chips off a plate (nearly emptying it) and stuff them in her mouth...then came the
dip.

She, like, you , is very short on good manners and civility. WHAT ethnic group are you from, anyway?

AND, Dear, you lost.

Posted by: Ellizabeth | August 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Why do these type of posts always end in name calling - I have the upmost respect for all four candidates: McCain, Romney, Obama, and Clinton. We are lucky to have all 4 of them. The nonsense about he or she or their dog being corrupt. Who made you GOD? Did I miss the announcement? Grow up.

Posted by: Jack | August 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The whole thing about Muslims and terrorists is a crock anyways. A worst, the ragtag bands of Islamic nutcases could inflict a pinprick. But the right wing nutcases have used that to frighten the soap o0pera moms and assorted bedwetters that compose the "males (LOL!) of the right while bleeding our military and economy dry. Now, unfortunately, we have Russia resurgent, China on the mve, and we are nothing more than a third rate economic failure with most of our living wage jobs being outsourced (al, *all* of our engineering and hard sceinces jobs going to cheap foreign guest workers - DOL stats are that 90% of new hires aref rom India or China with 50% of U.S. engineers actually unemployed!), the value of the dollar half of what is was when Bush was foisted off on us, more dependent on foreign oil than ever (and 92% of offshore oil leases already granted NEVER drilled or explored), one-third of home owners facing owing more than their homes are worth, inflation escalating at rates not seen EVER, and 85% of U.S. corporations paying absolutely NO income tax whatsoever. So, the right has resorted to paid bloggers in boiler rooms and we get toxic trash like Dianne72, Chevy, etc. and assorted pedophiles paid to write invented books for the brain dead Fox News crowd. Anyone voting for any Republican is an idiot and everyone just needs to recognize that all they are doing is attmepting to change the subject for the continuing, and future, failures, their impotence, and chickensh*t lack of courage, patriotism, and decency.

Posted by: Observer | August 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama's campaign "encouraged" Hillary's name be put in nomination?

I guess it took a lot of encouragement. Let's see two months?

Hillary's name should have been placed in nomination way before Aug. l4.

Hillary deserved the same recognition that Shirley Chisholm, Jesse Jackson, Sr., and all previous primary candidates with pledged delegates received. Besides, nobody including Obama had as many popular votes and had to go through all the hoops that Hillary had to go through, just to get their name in nomination.

I read on the ABC-TV website yesterday, that a Hillary delegate was targeted by the Colorado DNC, trying to intimidate her because she expressed her dislike of Obama in a personal email to another delegate. When ABC-TV confronted the Chairman, she backed off, saying I wasn't going to take away her credentials. Yeah, right.

The Obama campaign, extreme left-wing and "the greedy for Obama's bucks" DNC, have orchestrated a take-over of the Democratic Party.

I know people who have been with the Democratic Party for many years and this summer switched their affiliation to Independent. Some of these people actively participated in previous elections as volunteers. No more.

I'm glad I never registered with any party. I'm Independent and proud of it.

Posted by: J | August 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I am stunned at the controversy over this. Obama does not yet have the nomination. That is decided at the convention. It has been the norm at every recent convention for the "runner-up" to get a symbolic vote, followed by a call for unanimity. The fact that Obama and his camp are so terrified of dissent is worrying. Whatever I may think of Hilary Clinton her bid for the presidency was historic. Moreover she garnered very nearly the same number of popular vote as Obama. This should be recognized by her party.

What is wrong with you people? Are you so afraid that someone might vote no. Is this how you want your country run - "Everybody had better agree with me or else". This is just Bush Co all over again. It was offensive then and it's offensive now. Getting rid of one group of fascist to put in another group doesn't look like "Change" to me. In fact it looks like what we got when we "changed" the leadership of Congress...more of the same.

Posted by: Disgusted With Both Parties! | August 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Another uneducated Obama supporter still doesn't get it. MI and FL are being counted in full as full delegates just as the rules called for. And now when counted in full Obama leads with 40 elected delegates and Hillary leads with the popular vote......Super Delegates will decide at the convention. Again, the rules always called for these states to be reinstated to full delegates by the convention. Obama and the media mesled Obama supporters into thinking these states would not count or only count as half. It was clear to anyone with IQ over 75 that both these states were to be counted in full........The rule change was for Obama to gain delegates in MI where he chose to remove his name from the ballot. NO RULES were changed for Hillary, but RULES WERE CHANGED FOR OBAMA. Be sure to thank Pelosi and Dean when McCain is elected.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:08 PM

My aren't we the intellectual!!!! You can twist the facts anyway you want, Ms. Einstein. I am sure if Hill had the Electoral votes, Obama had the "Popular" votes and tried this crap, you would be the first in line for the Crying Towel "WAHH!!! We won, support Hillary you PIG!! Depends on which side of the fence yer on, my dear.
WAHH!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Crying Towel | August 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama is increasingly appearing to be a weak potential leader, especially in his consistent appeasement of the Clintons. He is highly naive if he believes the Clintons want him to win the election. They seek a contentious convention to continue in their efforts to undermine his chances, so McCain will win.

On the other hand, McCain has increasingly revealed himself as the most bellicose potential president since Goldwater, possibly worse than the Bush-Cheney regime.
Obama, the appeaser or McCain, the warmonger, this is becoming the choice.

The only reasons to support Barack are he is somewhat less likely to want to keep United States forces in Iraq indefinitely and less likely to start other wars, as well as being far more likely to try to enact legislation to help needy Americans, especially those without health care coverage, while ensurinh wealthy persons pay their fair share of taxes.

Posted by: Independent | August 14, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is a disgrace to all Americans and a obvious egomaniac. What a ridiculous excuse for such a transparent act of utter bad taste, refusing to acknowledge her loss even now: "my name needs to be on the nomination ticket to honor 35 million American voters..."

Honor the voters by giving up already and being graceful about it. Jesus...

Posted by: Pennywinkle | August 14, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

This is wonderful. I am excited with each step closer to changing administrations. Alright for Hillary! Forward Obama! This time I trust the approach of the Dem, than McCain. I'm in for the good of this country.

Forward To The Convention!! I anxiously wait for the news. After the past few terms, this is a huge event! With the will, We Sure Can take that White House back, and Must!

Obama for President, beginning '09

Posted by: Obama2008 | August 14, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Diane72....you seem to want to crawl up Michelle Obama's arse hole! ROFL.....maybe you can be like her when you grown up...you reak with jealousy....white trash has a way of showing up when they're not invited!

Posted by: Lucy | August 14, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Very good points Aida!

Posted by: Speed Racer | August 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse


Remind me never to hire a woman, if at all possible.

They are too delicate. Need to be soothed if they don't get their way. Can't live with votes.

Hillary has set women back how long?

Posted by: Aida | August 14, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

This is BS. Like the reverse would happen if HRC had won the nomination! She and Bill wouldn't have let Obama near the convention, much less allow his name to appear ANYWHERE. Her supporters, of which I was one initially, need to get over themselves and move on to what's important - not some fake nomination. We have too much at stake to focus even one minute on this.

Posted by: Capone1 | August 14, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse


And just what whoops would Americans have had to jump through if that egomaniac had become president?

Change the rules on everything to accommodate her supposed feminity? Tend to her emotional ups and downs? "Soothe" the screaming harridans of which she's the perfect mouthpiece?

Good GOD, she's a joke. And she makes us look petulant and definitely NOT ready for prime time!

Not ready for prime time.

Posted by: Not harridan | August 14, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

hillary is embarassing to women. "catharsis?" what is this some kind of support group? this is why women aren't taken seriously in some contexts. it would appear as another poster commented that her whole campaign was some kind of therapy. she needs a psychiatrist. would have been a hell of a lot cheaper than her self-funded vanity campaign. was forbes' run historical? was perot's. no. because they were self-funded narcisistic exercises, like queenie. historical? more like hysterical. next time bring a fully formed adult to the game or don't show up ladies.

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 14, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

August 14, 2008 3:50 PM

"SEQUOIA"
"dick cabesa"
"Queen Hillary"
"Jerry FLA"
"Anonymous"
"angriestdogintheworld"
ET. AL.

Knowing that most of you posters above are male, if not all, you really should be neutered. It's idiots like you who think with that organ between your legs instead of the one that sits on your shoulders. The male population has more than demonstrated (think testosterone fueled sexual misconduct and aggression) why they should not be leaders or commentators - John Edwards and Rush Limbaugh (if anyone today heard his disgraceful, vile remarks about the fine Elizabeth Edwards) are the most recent examples. You immature boys contribute to the already bad name that "men" have - grow up.

Sen. Clinton's supporters are not mad so much about her loss in this election, but how the sexism, media, and the manipulating DNC helped crown King Obama prematurely. Hillary could easily upstage Obama (but she won't intentionally) as she did at the Unity meeting in NH. Obama displayed more of his stupidity at this meeting when he stated he could not understand how women can do so much in heels; that's right, women think with their feet - what a fool! HRC is so much stronger and more knowledgeable than the neophyte Barack, God help this country! I will join the many millions of others who refuse to vote for this man. JustNoDeal, PUMAS, NoObama sing on!=================================================================================================================================Oh Hillary got so much experience. This is the chick that's gonna bomb Iran one day, and the next she's crying in public for votes. People can't stand her because she's just as corrupt as McCain.

Posted by: Mike | August 14, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

What did she hold her breath and stomp her feet until they agreed?? I'm sick to death of her and Bill, just leave already you lost, I realize you thought you would be coronated but you shouldn't keep listening to those palm readers, the voters have spoken so don't leave mad, just LEAVE!

Posted by: Sue f | August 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Billw,

I know what you are trying to say by that post, just like the ones who call him Hussein instead of Barak. So what if he is half or quarter or partial muslim? See you want to say something about his color, his religion is just an excuse to attack his race rather than you saying what your really want to call him...

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Dianne72.

You wouldn't happen to be a bitter Clinton supporter, would you?

LOL!

Posted by: shocked dad | August 14, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

TheMostVotes, MadamePresident,
it is the kind of thinking you displayed in your your post is the reason why Hillary lost the nomination. Was it because she is a women that she had deemed herself as the "inevitable candidate" in the beginning of the campaigning? No! She simply thought she was the best candidate but the people deemed Obama the better candidate. TOUGH LUCK. GET OVER IT. All this whining is so unattractive and it makes it so that Hillary will have an even tougher time in 2012

Posted by: SteelWheel1 | August 14, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

It'd be nice to think that HRC is doing this out of respect for the process and for her loyal followers. It'd be the first time in recent history that a Clinton did something selfless, though....

Posted by: myersj1 | August 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

in a country where freedom of speech, religion and a million other things exist, WHY are people so afraid of a man that may or may not have been a Muslim when he was a child?

Is there anyone else here today that called themselves christian or catholic as children only to decide on something else when they grew up a little?

Does the fact that he attended a church (albeit one with a racist pastor) for 20 years carry no weight at all in comparison to his childhood religion?

Posted by: Suzi | August 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

American First: "remember what your candidate has done pails in comparison, but go ahead lets hear it."

For starters, Clinton ain't half muslim. Next.

Posted by: Billw | August 14, 2008 3:44 PM

First, Islam is a religious faith shared by billion's across the globe and millions in the United States. So you can take that "islamic" boogie man talk, bred by Karl Rove, back into your hole.

I fear American's like Timothy McVeigh, a racist white pseudo-christian, alot more than I fear Muslims.

It seems that in your heart is a disease and one that is fed by hatred, based on your comments, the disease will promise to overtake you. You need to worry more about that over who will or will not be the next President.

It is a terrible, terrible thing when Hillary Clinton supporters, against her stated wishes, use Republican tactics in an attempt to destroy the Democratic party because your prom queen candidate did not get the crown. It is childish and destructive to nobody but Y.O.U.

I have ALWAYS said it, that this election is there for the Democrats to loose, and that is exactly what is going to happen. If you supported Hillary Clinton, and what she stood/stand for, then you should ably be able to see the "partisan" objective. The SAME objective that she had while SHE was running. To wrestle this government out of the control of a dangerous republican regime.

If a Clinton supporter would rather see the Republicans win this election than the party candidate, we have to question their priorities. They "people" worship rather than support the party platform. Those, we don't need, those are fickle, those will vote for a candidate (McCain) who couldn't give two snots what they or their families want or need.

Again, this election is there for the Democrats to LOOSE.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Please say it ain't so Obama. Acknowledging her great accomplishment should definitely be hilighted at the convention. HOWEVER I believe Hillary Clinton thinks she actually won and just waiting for the dust to settle so that the American people can realize the same. Yeah OK - please! Placing her name on nomination is a mistake. I just can't understand it. The Clintons are really sore loosers and to think I had such great respect for them. She's gonna mess around and say in her speech at the convention - see I told you I won. If her supporters don't want to vote for Obama and are willing to vote for McBush out of protest, I guess they loved the last 8 years and want more cause that's exactly what they will be getting. As it was said to me in elementary school by the teacher: students (advisors) I need you all to put on your thinking caps and try to solve this problem again.

Posted by: Me | August 14, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Please say it ain't so Obama. Acknowledging her great accomplishment should definitely be hilighted at the convention. HOWEVER I believe Hillary Clinton thinks she actually won and just waiting for the dust to settle so that the American people can realize the same. Yeah OK - please! Placing her name on nomination is a mistake. I just can't understand it. The Clintons are really sore loosers and to think I had such great respect for them. She's gonna mess around and say in her speech at the convention - see I told you I won. If her supporters don't want to vote for Obama and are willing to vote for McBush out of protest, I guess they loved the last 8 years and want more cause that's exactly what they will be getting. As it was said to me in elementary school by the teacher: students (advisors) I need you all to put on your thinking caps and try to solve this problem again.

Posted by: Me | August 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

to the people concerned over the fact that Obama might have been a citizen of Indonesia,

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Article Two of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications to be eligible for election as President. A Presidential candidate must:

1. be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
2. be at least thirty-five years old;
3. have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

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Posted by: Suzi | August 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Like Jason in the Friday the 13th movies, Hillary keeps coming back again and again to wreak terror on us all. Don't think this will end if and when Obama becomes president either. She'll continue to suck the oxygen out of him until she gets what she deems is rightly hers--the oval office.

Can't we just put her and all of her "followers" who refuse to accept defeat on an ice floe and push them out to sea? Please?

Posted by: Tim | August 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters seem to consistently express rage toward Hillary Clinton and the 18 million who voted for her. Too bad they can't seem to muster that same degree of rage toward the Republicans and McCain...instead they just fall silent.-----------------------------------------------What do you know about it. Maybe if you open your eyes, you'd see how many people hate McCain. And we hate Hillary just as much, because she's just as corrupt as McCain.


Posted by: Mike | August 14, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

What the heck does a problem with a woman's marriage and her decision to keep it going for the sake of her child have to do with her ability to run a government in the best interests of the public.

After all, JFK messed around in office, Reagan couldn't get the respect of his own children, FDR had a long-time relationship, Ike got involved with his military driver, and Bill Clinton was easily seduced - so what. Every one of them gained the respect of the electorate.

Both LBJ and Harry Truman were terrific family men but the public didn't think so much of them while they were in office.

Hilliary has demonstrated the ability to lead and the willingness to put forth the effort. What more do Americans need from a POTUS.

Posted by: loyalsys | August 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse


.
Since Hillary won the majority of the votes in the primaries, and the Dems claim to support democracy, then she will be the nominee. Right?

And certainly the Dems would not stoop so low as to allow a Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, elitist, inexperienced, narcissistic, flip-flopping gas-bag - who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes, to hijack the nomination with fewer votes than Hillary received. Right?

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Posted by: ALEX H. | August 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Her "historic" campaign. ROFL. Histrionic is more like it.

It is truly fitting the Democrats mascot is an ASS. Only fools honor losers.

Posted by: Hank | August 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Forgive my ignorance,

but does this mean:

a. Hillary is being put out there for VP?
b. Hillary is being given a head-nod and can be voted for as pres?

Posted by: Suzi | August 14, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"SEQUOIA"
"dick cabesa"
"Queen Hillary"
"Jerry FLA"
"Anonymous"
"angriestdogintheworld"
ET. AL.

Knowing that most of you posters above are male, if not all, you really should be neutered. It's idiots like you who think with that organ between your legs instead of the one that sits on your shoulders. The male population has more than demonstrated (think testosterone fueled sexual misconduct and aggression) why they should not be leaders or commentators - John Edwards and Rush Limbaugh (if anyone today heard his disgraceful, vile remarks about the fine Elizabeth Edwards) are the most recent examples. You immature boys contribute to the already bad name that "men" have - grow up.

Sen. Clinton's supporters are not mad so much about her loss in this election, but how the sexism, media, and the manipulating DNC helped crown King Obama prematurely. Hillary could easily upstage Obama (but she won't intentionally) as she did at the Unity meeting in NH. Obama displayed more of his stupidity at this meeting when he stated he could not understand how women can do so much in heels; that's right, women think with their feet - what a fool! HRC is so much stronger and more knowledgeable than the neophyte Barack, God help this country! I will join the many millions of others who refuse to vote for this man. JustNoDeal, PUMAS, NoObama sing on!

Posted by: TheMostVotes, MadamePresident | August 14, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Forget about all the talk about Obama supporters versus Hillary supporters, and viceversa.
Vote your conscience, vote for your beliefs. No one is perfect but one of the candidates must come closer to what you think is best for the country. And I am talking about Obama versus McCain here; let us get real.

Posted by: Carlos | August 14, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Billw.....No but she is half white trash! NExt...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse


American First: "remember what your candidate has done pails in comparison, but go ahead lets hear it."

For starters, Clinton ain't half muslim. Next.


Posted by: Billw | August 14, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Obama suppporters and Democrats! It's time to get this party started!! Two more weeks and my main man, Mr. Barak Obama will be nominated. A few months after that he'll be sworn in as Pres of the U.S.A.!!! Yeah! Go Bama, Go Bama!!!! I can't wait to go to the Convention...It's quite okay if the Clintons get a few minutes to speak. That's a great strategic move on Obama's part! He shows with every decision that he makes, how much class and dignity he carries on his shoulder! I am ever so proud to support such an intelligent, educated, spiritual and well-rounding individual!!! He'll make a superb President! I am so excited about the convention...I am going to have a GREAT time!!! Let's all hear for our new President~~~ Mr. Obama!!!

Posted by: Obama 2008/2012 | August 14, 2008 3:38 PM
______________________________________

I hear ya!!! Say it one more time for the ROAD!!! Yes WE CAN and YES WE WILL!!! Obama 2008/2012

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Hillary supporters don't understand this is just a formality is frankly, hilarious!

"YES!!!" said one as if some magical, mystical event will happen and Democrats will reject democracy at the convention and knock off the winning candidate with a national lead, and go with the loser! Um, cuz that'll happen if they scream loud enough and make big enough fools of themselves! YES!!!! They are very comical to me!

Posted by: zzz1204 | August 14, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

What does this mean. When people go to the polls they can vote for Hillary or Obama? Is this how we get screwed and McCain gets elected.

Posted by: Michael | August 14, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters seem to consistently express rage toward Hillary Clinton and the 18 million who voted for her. Too bad they can't seem to muster that same degree of rage toward the Republicans and McCain...instead they just fall silent.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse


Nor'Easter: Posters on The Fix were discussing the Trinity United Church of Christ and Rev. Wright as far back as March 2007. It wasn't a surprise to us.

What became a surprise was Wright exposing the church's agenda on March 13.


Posted by: Billw | August 14, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton does not respect anyone.
She dosen't even respect herself. This is not the woman to be the FIRST woman to hold the office of POTUS. If she did she would have kicked Bill to the curb after he trashed her with Monica Lewinsky in front of the whole world. She thought winning the nomination would redeem her self esteem. SORRY HILLARY!!!!
Before you blamed the "vast right wing conspiracy. Now it's the Media and DNC and their sexism....the real truth is America is 'JUST NOT INTO YOU"!
DEAL WITH IT!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey Obama suppporters and Democrats! It's time to get this party started!! Two more weeks and my main man, Mr. Barak Obama will be nominated. A few months after that he'll be sworn in as Pres of the U.S.A.!!! Yeah! Go Bama, Go Bama!!!! I can't wait to go to the Convention...It's quite okay if the Clintons get a few minutes to speak. That's a great strategic move on Obama's part! He shows with every decision that he makes, how much class and dignity he carries on his shoulder! I am ever so proud to support such an intelligent, educated, spiritual and well-rounding individual!!! He'll make a superb President! I am so excited about the convention...I am going to have a GREAT time!!! Let's all hear for our new President~~~ Mr. Obama!!!

Posted by: Obama 2008/2012 | August 14, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

She won half of the votes. She should be allowed to let this play out however she wants. I've ALWAYS been an Obama supporter, but we can't win without Hillary on board.

If the media didn't have to fill up the air waves with 24 hours of noise, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Posted by: ex-conservative | August 14, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Agree with posts below about self-referenced Hillary supporters saying they don't like Obama. It's a ruse by McCain supporters trying to play up that angle. I voted for Hillary, but I like Obama a lot too. Both were qualified and are immensely talented.

And whats more I have no idea what kind of man McCain is or what his policies are, despite his 30 years experience. He's running a low-brow, nasty, generic campaign. Ironically, with Obama we know what we're getting, whereas with McCain, is like Bush in 2000; i.e, seemingly harmless, but quite possibly a disaster (think 'bob-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb Iran).

Posted by: Lina | August 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I still think most of the posts by supposed Clinton backers bashing Obama, and supposed Obama backers bashing Clinton are in fact being posted by McCain backers.

Operation Chaos lives on. Republicans cannot win a fair fight, so they need to stir things up and create fictitious issues where there really are none. Any Democrat with a drop of passion in their heart would NEVER consider letting McSame have the next 2-3 Supreme Court nominations. Get real.

Posted by: Prattle in Seattle | August 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Ahh, PUMA...Party Unity My A$$.

Thanx, Google.

Posted by: enogabal | August 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Hillary in the primaries and I was dissapointed that she lost, but she lost fair and square.
I then studied McCain and Obama and have now decided to vote for Obama because, to vote for McCain is to vote against many of my fundamental beliefs. To vote for McCain is to vote for a Supreme Court that will impose the view of extremists in all the rest of us. To vote for McCain is to extend Bush's economic and foreign policies, which are examples of total failure.
To my fellow Hillary fans, please look beyond the personality issues and vote for your principles and for what is best for the country. I cannot believe that somebody who truly believes in Hillary's principles would vote for McCain. To do so is to show ignorance, pettiness, and maybe racism.

Posted by: Carlos | August 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

BO is a light weight neophyte, race baiting sexist fraud with an ego bigger than GWB but less than DC.JM is a psychotic blood thirsty war monger thats half a heart beat from an asylum.
VOTE BLOOMBERG!!

Posted by: notoboth | August 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

vanitsky wrote: "Many things happened since June, 7th.... "
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No, they haven't. This race looks the same, and Obama is doing very well.

But keep pretending if it makes you feel better. You are delusional if you think Hillary's name at the convention is anything but a (clearly pointless since you are spiteful, vindictive crazies) courtesy to Hillary and her supporters.

Why don't you appreciate all Obama has done to reach out to you? He hasn't done anything wrong besides win.

Posted by: Shawn | August 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow!! I must admit the stupidity of the PUMAs are quite entertaining! They keep me cracking up! Don't mean to laugh at their absence of common sense but it's just soooo entertaining that I must indulge!

Horray for the PUMAs!!!! fight for the cause! KIll all of the men in the world!! Make babies with each other!!!

Posted by: PUMA for life | August 14, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow!! I must admit the stupidity of the PUMAs are quite entertaining! They keep me cracking up! Don't mean to laugh at their absence of common sense but it's just soooo entertaining that I must indulge!

Horray for the PUMAs!!!! fight for the cause! KIll all of the men in the world!! Make babies with each other!!!

Posted by: PUMA for life | August 14, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

hillary lost on super tuesday, everything after that was a self-funded vanity campaign. there is nothing historic about that. plenty of narcissistic milionaaires have funded their own delusional presidential runs. ho hum. history will forget hillary very soon

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 14, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

To Jack Straw...

I think I did mention that I wasn't a history buff of any sort therefore you blowing away my argument seems nonsensical.

I believe in this here Free World, we are all allowed an opinion.

Posted by: nefferatari | August 14, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

the clintons should run as independents, but they nor their "supporters" the ones who refused to fork over a penny to retire their queen's debt from her vanity primary, have enough courage. at the end of the day, they will be remembered as snivelling cowardly snakes in the weeds

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

YES!

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | August 14, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

How much more divisve can Clinton and her supporters be?!!!?

She LOST. This is Obama's moment and she has to crash the party with some procedural nonsense.

I'll be donating time and money to whomever opposes her in her next primary. I'm done with her and her PUMA's should just go third-party at this point. They are obviously not committed to the Democratic Party nor to democratic values.

Posted by: Angry Dem | August 14, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton will NEVER be President. With each slimy manuver...she is more hated...period. Americans are throughly SICK OF THE CLINTONS. She will NEVER get the votes of the youth, AA and true Democrats. This is her LAST hurrah. Her 15 munites ARE UP! P.S....her Senate seat is HISTORY Also! I will personall donate $$$ to ANY Democrat challenger.

Posted by: TJ WILLIAMS | August 14, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

vanitsky:

What happened since June 7th? You mean Obama starting out ahead and then...staying ahead?

Posted by: DonDy | August 14, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

The funniest thing about this whole situation is that while Hillary fanatics pretend to be victims of sexism and babble on about how they're fighting for women's voices to be heard, Obama is doing great among women!

Kerry won women by 3 points. Obama is winning women by 11 points.

Obama is winning Hispanics by 35 points.

He is winning working class Americans (including "hard working whites") by 2-1.

He is winning every age group except over 65.

He is winning every education group except people who didn't finish high school.

He is winning every region except the South.

He is winning ALL the Kerry states plus OH, IA and NM.

He has caught or passed McCain in FL, VA, NC, MO, IN, AK, CO, MT, ND, AZ and NV.

He is running a very good (though not perfect) campaign and is in a VERY strong position to win...but Hillary deadenders REFUSE to accept it! They are obviously not looking at the facts.

Posted by: sequoia | August 14, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Fact is, Clinton and Obama seem to get along real well and all this will be behind us in a few weeks. Meanwhile, McCain can't even seem to get his campaign kickstarted, so I'd say he's already toast.

Posted by: xFactor | August 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I would like to remind to our Obama supporting friends about numbers:

Obama - 1,765 1/2 votes
Clinton- 1,639 1/2 votes

Obama's lead - 126 1/2

Superdelegates vote estimation was freezed on June, 7th, with the result:

Obama - 478
Clinton - 246 1/2

Many things happened since June, 7th....

Posted by: vanitsky | August 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Very well put Dave. Couldn't have said it better. They seem to forget that HE BEAT HILLARY AND NOW IS BEATING MCCSTANK! and he's unelectable? These people were dropped as babies or something, logic doesn't apply in their airhead world.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: nefferatari
I am simply annoyed by the notion of Hillary not accepting her fate.

__________________________________________________________________________________________

Perhaps you should learn about the history of Democratic conventions. Ted Kennedy, who backs Barry, was 700 delegates behind Jimmy Carter, the incumbent, but still forced a vote at the convention in 1980. That pretty much blows away your argument.

Posted by: Jack Straw | August 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

and 2 million more Clinton voters from Florida will vote for McCain before I vote for the racist thief Obama.

Posted by: Floridagal | August 14, 2008 3:17 PM

So, you speak for 2 million people? yeah...right.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse


Sure, now that Obama fought to disenfranchise Florida and Michigan, thereby swinging the superdelegates, now all of the sudden the "illegal" Clinton Florida and Michigan delegates can be seated. There is no way he would have won the nomination without these stunts. And now, barring a miracle, a Republican will be in the White House again. What a joke.

But I'll be praying for that miracle just the same. Let us not have the inmates running the asylum.

Posted by: Chicago1 | August 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Agree w/ ChrisDC, most democrats like both Clinton and Obama, but hated how ugly the primary got. We're over it. I liked Hillary because of some specific issues, but always thought Obama was more electable anyway and would probably be a more effective leader because he has less baggage (and also because he's a very impressive, intelligent, and honest guy). But I'd have been happy with Hillary too. And with McCain being entirely negative thusfar without proposing any specifics (in fact, avoiding issues altogether), I think any dem would've been a better pick (I never imagined how quickly McCain would be corrupted by the process. Sad.).

Also, you know that site that was supposedly a conglomerate of Hillary supporters (sites/blogs, etc.)? Turns out it was mostly a few duplicate users who created 200 sites to play up that anti-Obama angle, and some of those associated were McCain supporters. Big surprise.

Posted by: DBJ | August 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

bama's going to lose votes for cowtowing to this bitter old redneck

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I would not have a VP that has already envisioned my demise before I get to office.

Posted by: ptdis1 | August 14, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Hillary wouldn't even be here if she wasn't married to a former President. This is just a fact. At least Obama earned his success every step of the way.

These PUMAs*holes are embarrassing to all women. They say that Hillary HAS to be the nominee (even though she lost) because Obama just CAN'T WIN (which is based on exactly nothing, of course) against McCain! We can't have President McCain! Then they constantly threaten to vote for McCain! LOL! They are soooo stupid! Then they get all mad when we laugh at them.

Posted by: Monique C. | August 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Its the electoral votes, stupid."

Electoral votes are supposed to reflect the popular vote, but as a result of halting the Florida recount, that wasn't the case. Stupid.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I commend Obama for being sensitive to the "need" for Clinton to be recognized in this way at the convention. I do not agree with this magnanimous effort on his part, but each day and with every gesture like this he shows a glimpse of the kind of remarkable President he will be.

Hillary Clinton would never have been as selfless had she been the nonminee.

Now, for the Clinton supporters who have threatened to do everything from walk out of the convention to writing in her name at the ballot in protest come November here's what i say to you:

GO STRAIGHT TO HELL! You don't care about the Democratic party or your country. All you wanted was for a woman to win the WH. It doesn't matter to you that Hillary ran a piss-poor campaign, mismanaged her campaign funds, cried, lied, bad-mouthed and did everything else to show why she isn't fit to be President.

Like I said, you Hillary-loving-Obama-hating @#*&$ can GO STRAIGHT TO HELL.

Obama will be a great U.S. President.

Obama in '08 and '12!

Posted by: twilson66 | August 14, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I and 2 million more Clinton voters from Florida will vote for McCain before I vote for the racist thief Obama.

Posted by: Floridagal | August 14, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

It's not just a "new broom that sweeps clean." Hillary's old airborne model is going to whack Obama in the behind unless he wakes up! Talk about s-t-e-w-p-e-d!

Posted by: Marc Anthony Szlykstyn | August 14, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I have absolutely no respect for the Clintons now. I was a Bill fan and hillary fan until you crazy azz hill fans just don't want to fact the fact that SHE LOST! DAMN! She should have done the right thing instead of right for her thing and just SHUT UP! All you hillary supporter who say you'll be voting for mcCstank, GO AHEAD WE DONT NEED YOU! you were NEVER going to vote for Obama, especially since she is crying like a little biiitch, like the rest of you! If Obama would have lost to Hillary, and he made this much noise, ALL OF YOU WOULD SEND THE HOUNDS OUT ON HIM CALLING HIM A SORE LOSER OR A BABY! SHE AND HER SUPPORTERS ARE ALL OF THAT AND MORE! Pathetic losers, you sound just like McCstank supporter, LOSERS!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Between "The Obama Nation" and HRC's announcement, the members of the Barry cult are wetting their pants.

Posted by: Jack Straw | August 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Ok- not sure what happened to my first post...

I am simply annoyed by the notion of Hillary not accepting her fate. Ok, as a woman I was elated not to mention, very proud that she has paved the way for me and for other women to follow. It is of high regard to have come so far. However; it was a competition and she is on the losing side, why does she need to 'cloud' Obama's victory with her defeat? It's as if she is telling him that he needs to bow to her and that her accomplishment is much more important/historical. It's not acceptible and it brings even more division among the democrats. I am in no wise a political junkie and by far not an historian but to the 'common folk' it's as if they are playing games. How can one take Obama seriously when he 'stoops' and lets Hillary take HIS spotlight? And, how can one even resort to voting for Hillary when she seems such a poor loser?... As democrat I am truly disturbed by this news.

While browsing the net I found the perfect quote that supports my two sense.
"One of the first businesses of a sensible man is to know when he is beaten, and to leave off fighting at once."
-Samuel Butler (1612-1680) British poet and satirist.

nefferatari@yahoo.com

Posted by: nefferatari | August 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

TLC2011,

She is trying right not to undercut her own party, so how in the world can you say she would benefit first the Dems and then the country? If he allowed her to be VP that means Bill will be in the picture and you would have a two-headed VP, if you think Cheney is bad i can only imagine what those two will do.

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats for John McCain in 2008!" cried george!

There is no such thing, george. Stop pretending. ALL the people I know who supported Hillary in the primaries back Obama now because they're Democrats, not morons.

What is WRONG with you people? Why are you so filled with hate and imaginary victimhood?

Obama is a great, mainstream Democratic candidate. He beat Hillary, so what makes you think he won't crush McCain?

It's hilarious that losers are calling him "unlectable" when he beat Hillary and is beating McCain. "You'll see!" they say. They've been saying that since Iowa and he's still on top!

We'll see President Obama. That's what we'll see and as a Democrat, I am thrilled and excited to support him.

Posted by: dAVE | August 14, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama's excessive, even ridiculous, kowtowing to Hillary is going to get him a well-deserved kick in the pants.

Posted by: Franklin D. Fogarty | August 14, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Clinton's campaign was the first legitimate campaign by a woman ever in this country. That deserves some recognition as to its significance. Placing her name in nomination does that.

If the tables were turned, I would think that Sen. Obama could make a case for his name being placed in nomination for his being the first truly legitimate campaign by an African-American.

Unfortunately for Obama, since he June this has been just another case of the Clintons being the Clintons, with it being 'all about them.'

With the way she and her vocal supporters have acted, if I were part of the Obama campaign, I wouldn't have trusted them either.

She has consciously let this fester by not making a strong enough statement to the irrationally committed supporters, that it's time to face reality and support the nominee.

Why hasn't she? Maybe she does actually want to undermine the Obama campaign.


BTW - BillW, posters on The Fix were discussing the Trinity United Church of Christ and Rev. Wright as far back as March 2007. It wasn't a surprise to us.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | August 14, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Are uglywort and his/her/its fellow believers facists, royalists,or communists?

They demand one person rule without any input from anyone.

If Obama believes the same I don't want someone who would become president for life in the African tradition to become president of the USA!

Posted by: William | August 14, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will be the PRES for eternity. Even after the end of the world! We love you Hillary!!

Hillary for eternity!!

Posted by: Forever Hillary!! | August 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The next Administration, be it GOP or Democratic, should honor the "great historic contribution" of the Clintons and grant them diplomatic appointments. Let Hillary be US Ambassador to Mauritius. Let Bill be US Ambassador to Azerbaijan.

Posted by: jkoch | August 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"there appears to be widespread fear among the delegates that Obama is unelectable"

?

Maybe you have a dictionary that defines 'unelectable' as "almost certainly won't lose"?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU CANNOT EVEN CARRY YOUR CARPET BAGGER STATE

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT WITH $38. MILLION IN DEBT FROM THE PRIMARY

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU HAVE NO MONEY FOR THE GENERAL

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU DIVIDE TO CONQUER INTRA PARTY

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU LIE ABOUT BULLET DODGING

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU ARE FUNDAMENTALLY CORRUPTED BY MONEY

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOUR VOTERS ARE ONLY HARD WORKING WHITE PEOPLE

YOU CAN NOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU HAVE LOST THE BLACK VOTE

YOU CAN NOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU HAVE $109 M IN AN OFF SHORE COMMODITIES HEDGE FUND


YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU STEAL WHITE HOUSE FURNITURE BY ACCIDENT

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU LIE ABOUT YOUR FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how much sugar-coating rhetoric Obama and his crew attach to this atrocious development, as an avowed Obama supporter, I am sickened to the point where I want to vomit. Why and the hell does the winner, who I might add won the nomination fair and square, have to pay so much deference to the loser and her frantic, hateful female supporters. The latter will never be satisfied and many will "jump the Demo ship" and vote for Generalissomo McCain in the final analysis.

Don't be surprised fellow Demos if Obama doesn't capitulate further to Shrillary and Slick Willy and choose her as the VP nominee before the convention; all in the mame of party unity, of course.

I can already see the McCain attack add: If Obama cannot stand up against the loser in the Demo primary, how will he fare against vicious world leaders"

Signed by a deeply disillusioned Obama backer, Forrest Gerard

Posted by: Forrest Gerard | August 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for Obama to tell the Clintons and their moronic followers to take a giant leap!!! She's trying to ruin this victory for Obama, the sad thing is that her followers believe that she cares about them, the Clintons have proven time and time again that they will do and say whatever it takes to win an election, please ladies wake up, just because Hillary has a vagina doesn't mean she's the best woman for the job.....

Posted by: uglywart | August 14, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

American First,

Try this on for size: If Ryan hadn't withdrawn from the Illinois Senate contest in 2004, Obama never would have beaten him in the general election and he would not have been in a position to launch a campaign for the White House.

Also, I didn't say the Hillary deserved to be the VP nominee. But I think Obama needs a nominee who adds some magic to the ticket and who helps him catapult past this neck-and-neck tie with McCain. Richardson, Kaine, Bayh, Sebelius, and Biden are all good and respectable leaders of our party, but none of them inspire any kind of passion. While Hillary inspires a lot of negative energy across the electorate, she also inspires a ton of positive excitement and she and Obama together might be able to enlarge their combined vote total of more than 36 million from the primaries. If Obama and the Democratic party are serious about winning in November, Hillary is a serious choice for a running mate who can help unite the party and actually talk the talk and walk the walk when it comes to doing the hard work to turn this country around for us working stiffs.

Posted by: TLC20011 | August 14, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

bethechange1: Said "He is not responsible for any sexism in the media" REALITY Obama made many sexist remarks and or actions including saying the name Hillary while sticking up his middle finger and waiting for the laugh. If Obama were not sexist then he would have proved that by informing the public through the media that he was disgusted by the comments and faces made by Olbermann, Matthews and others.

bethechange1 also said: "Such people who are being such sore losers and irrationally shooting themselves in the foot should we end up with the currently bloviating, military-threatening, oil drilling, tax cutting old white guy in the white house in 2009 will not be advancing feminist or family or country by protesting and working against our nominee." REALITY We will be insuring that the democrats will never again use sexist or racist ploys to shove an unqualified nominee down our throats. 4 years of McCain is a very small price to pay.

VOTING McCAIN 2008 and HILLARY 2012

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are fools and so are their PUMA supporters. I can probably guess what PUMA really stands for but I will keep my guess to myself. Obama is smart, do what you can to unite the party, while at the same time, giving those two Clinton idiots enough rope to hang their future political careers out to dry.
great post... worth repeating.
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They have [Clintons] shown themselves to be pitiful! Obama has shown himself to be a TRUE uniter and great Democrat who truly care about the American people and what's at stake, not about a pathetic legacy, or ownership of the democratic party or being privy to the democratic nomination, like the Clintons have shown themselves to be! Mr. Barak Obama, you'll make a spectacular President and I look forward to you being sworn into Office in January. God Bless you and God Bless America!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:19 PM

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree more!!!

POSTED BY KT on another site: It's funny how some of you people are so sure Obama would be a horrible president. His policies aren't that different from McCain's or Clinton's. Judging from the bitterness and hate being spewed on all sides it looks like a case of " any candidate other than mine is wrong". I really like how people are demonizing the opposition by giving them names like Clintonites and Obamabots. The problem is not the candidates , it's the voters.

Posted by: Tasha | August 14, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Our delegates will pledge our votes to Hillary. Florida will stop Bama from stealing the nomination. Hillary For President.

Posted by: Floridagal | August 14, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

vanitsky wrote: "It's a wonderful news.
Due to modest - to say the least - Obama's numbers in July-August polls superdelegates have a chance to change their mind - and vote for Hillary.

Let us remember that Obama "victory" was counted WITH superdelegates' votes.

It's going to be interesting.
And no need for Obama supporters to be so terribly offensive."
_____________________

Oh, dear.

You obviously don't get it. There is zero chance Hillary will be the nominee, and Obama's numbers are just fine. He has maintained essentially the same national lead since April, and is on track to win with over 300 electoral votes.

Meanwhile, McCain is unable to break 44% in any national polls.

But why am I even trying? Like you would listen to facts and common sense? In Hillaryland, those are NOT allowed! You people deserve all the scorn thrown at you. You've earned it.

Posted by: Shawn | August 14, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The notion that Hillary supporters feel angry and disenfranchised is nothing but an angle explored by the press that McCain supporters have jumped on as ammunition. Democrats are democrats, and anytime you see a comment/post from someone presenting themselves as a Clinton supporter who is dead set on voting against (or at least not for) Sen. Obama, you can take it to the bank that they are a McCain supporter trying to give more traction to this ridiculous idea. Most real democrats (and for that matter, reasonable people in general) feel the same way: Both Senators Clinton and Obama were impressive candidates who participated in a hard fought and close primary, and Sen. Obama came out on top. And that's who democrats will vote for in November.

Posted by: ChrisDC | August 14, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Hillary for Senate 2012

Posted by: there's always next year | August 14, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"Funny how that works seeing as Gore won the popular vote..."

Its the electoral votes, stupid.

Posted by: MoveOn | August 14, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Hillary 2012

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"GOP Last Place McFailure | August 14, 2008 2:39 PM" ... slammed McCain's time as a POW. I call foul! Unless you've been there and done that and have first hand knowledge and experience of what happened and how everything went down, leave those unnecessary comments out. The man didn't just get slapped around a couple of times. I imagine he wished it were that easy. Some lines should not be crossed, and this is one of them. Bad form my friend...

Posted by: peanuts2 | August 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"Apparently Hillary Clinton supporters forgot how Democracy works. The candidate with the most votes wins."

Funny how that works seeing as Gore won the popular vote...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY IS STILL 'IN IT TO WIN IT,' MS. KORNBLUT

And how does Ms. Kornblut know that Hillary "will not have enough delegates to secure the nomination"?

All it takes is for a couple hundred or so supers to switch to Hillary for her to secure the nomination.

Hillary has been working the supers and regular delegates too, since the bylaws allow them to vote their "conscience," and after the first ballot, there is no pledge whatsoever.

Hillary probably cannot secure the nomination, due to the substantial baggage that her husband brings to the proposition. But if Obama fails to win the nomination on the first ballot -- a very likely possibility -- Hillary could then decide to throw her delegates to a third candidate such as Al Gore.

The majority of the delegates would cheer, because there appears to be widespread fear among the delegates that Obama is unelectable.

Posted by: scrivener | August 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

GO HILLARY!!!


Go away, that is.

No, honestly her historic run should be honored, but Hillary "supporters" who can't get over the fact that she lost are the most annoying, pathetic sore losers I have ever seen in my life!

Don't they realize how stupid and childish they look?

Posted by: dAVE | August 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

A judge ruled today that Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick can travel to the Democratic National Convention in Denver and can get rid of an electronic tether that had been ordered as part of his bond in his perjury case.

This speaks volumes about the DEMOCRUDS.

They should seat Kwame Kilpatrick, Marion Barry, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan next to each other - what a sight !

This is the face of the new Democratic party ? Is this the change that Baracky Hussein Obama is seeking ?

Democrats for John McCain in 2008.

Posted by: george | August 14, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

It's a wonderful news.
Due to modest - to say the least - Obama's numbers in July-August polls superdelegates have a chance to change their mind - and vote for Hillary.

Let us remember that Obama "victory" was counted WITH superdelegates' votes.

It's going to be interesting.
And no need for Obama supporters to be so terribly offensive.

Posted by: vanitsky | August 14, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Comment on: On the Money Trail, Twice the Challenge at 7/27/2008 6:21 PM EDT
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FUTURE NEWS SYNDICATE

Lost Tribe Of Hillary Holdouts Found

- BREAKING NEWS -

The first contact in several years with remnants of a holdout band of Hillary Clinton supporters took place yesterday, with a helicopter flyover identifying the handful of survivors. Unwilling to concede that the 2008 Democratic presidential primary had been fairly conducted, the hardy but dwindling tribe became increasingly isolated during the Obama/Leahy administrations, eschewing television and rumored to be surviving only on moss, pant suit juice and the occasional squirrel.

Following the merger of the Republican and Democratic Parties and repeal of the 22nd Amendment in 2015 which allowed Beloved Leader Obama’s election to a third term by an unprecedented Electoral College vote of 538 – 0, the tribe disappeared and has not been heard from for several years. Until this sighting, the continued existence of the “Hillarians” was doubted and their story had passed into the realm of urban legend.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

What a great opportunity to unite the Democratic Party. A brilliant solution by two A-1 candidates!

Posted by: sbaker | August 14, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Will you people EVER be satisfied!

Posted by: Tasha | August 14, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

What is an insult Mr. Conn? How long have you been involved with or following politics? This is a freaking huge concession on the part of Obama, and given the lack of grace with which those of you who supported Senator Clinton have accepted the results of the nominating contest, more than he should give.

You have no position to stand on. Your candidate ran a strong campaign, but assumed victory from the the start and did not cover all of the bases. Period. There is no second place award in presidential politics. Please reconsider your position and find a creative outlet for your frustration.

Posted by: John D in Houston | August 14, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Hillary Clinton supporters forgot how Democracy works. The candidate with the most votes wins.

Posted by: Elizabeth | August 14, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm fine with this because it's obviously just a formality. Obama has bent over backwards to reach out to Hillary supporters (even though he ran a totally respectful and dignified campaign aganst her).

Why some Hillary fanatics HATE Obama so much is a mystery to me. Those biitches are just crazy. There is nothing left to do but mock those goofy dingbats relentlessly. We're done indulging their craziness now and they will make GREAT Republicans.

BYE! Don't come back, now, y'hear? Have fun stampeding through Denver in your lunatic fringe sweaty heifer club!

Posted by: sequoia | August 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Now i can see why Europe and the rest of the world laughs at us. As much pain and mismanagement as the Bush admin has placed on this country the last 8 years we finally may have a way out. But nope, there are some that believe their candidate has a place at the mantle even though they did not earn it. So what is their answer to that, vote for the other party. So i guess high gas and electricity prices, being bogged down in a war we shouldn't be fighting and spying on our own country men arent high on their list, just getting their candidate elected is. Just remember when you elect McCain dont go crying about change, you had the chance and you stupidly squandered it.....

Posted by: We are a stupid society | August 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

congratulations. it'll be a long time before another broad has a shot at the white house thanks to queenie's crime family

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

hillary's bowel movement will be nominated and that bit of undigested corn that fell out of her fatass will be vice president go PUMAs

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

TLC20011,

Why does Hillary deserver to be VP? Just remember this, if Rudy didnt get prostrate cancer in 2000 she never would have beaten him. Therefore she would have never been able to run for president. Now think about that before you say she deserves to be VP.

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Good grief! Clinton lost the nomination race, for crying out loud, can't she just sit down and shut-up? Are the Dems in so much trouble or so unsure and unstable they have to play these rediculous games? What's next on the drama scene? A holiday? Enough already

Posted by: peanuts2 | August 14, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Color me LIBERTARIAN!

Posted by: Tall Bear | August 14, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

It is beyond me why HRC supporters who plan to "protest" BO's nomination blame him for her loss. He is not responsible for any sexism in the media, nor Mark Penn's fatally flawed strategies (wrong initial message of "experience," wrong to not organize in caucus states, wrong to encourage HRC's "tough" side rather than her humanity, and HRC's wrong vote on Iraq, which mattered to a lot of democrats).

Such people who are being such sore losers and irrationally shooting themselves in the foot should we end up with the currently bloviating, military-threatening, oil drilling, tax cutting old white guy in the white house in 2009 will not be advancing feminist or family or country by protesting and working against our nominee.

Posted by: bethechange1 | August 14, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

This is a pathetic insult to those who supported Hillary Clinton. My advice is to skip this nonsense and go to Ralph Nader's counter rally in Denver. Stay true to yourself.

Posted by: steve conn | August 14, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

President Barack Obama Contrast With Last Place McCain


Growing Up

Last Place McCain was privileged, given everything by both parents, and worked for nothing.


Irish-American Barack Obama grew up poor, raised by his Irish-American single white mother and Irish-American white working class maternal grand parents. Irish-American Barack Obama was given nothing and worked for everything.

Education

Last Place McCain was a D student and graduated last in his class. Last Place McCain and McBush share failed academic records. He partied constantly and dependent on favor handouts from his high ranking father and grandfather. Last Place McCain earned nothing on his own similar to McBush. Last Place McCain is also Internet illiterate which slows down his information processing capacity. Is this good for the country?


Irish-American Barack Obama worked hard and became PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW. Everything that Irish-American Barack Obama accomplished he did on his own. Irish-American Barack Obama’s HARVARD Scholarship ranks among the best. Irish-American Barack Obama’s hard work represents the American Dream.


Community Service

Last Place McCain poor studies translated into poor performances in the military where he crashed several planes and recklessly endangered the lives of others. Last Place McCain was never trusted by his colleagues nor loved by his peers. The highlight of Last Place McCain’s career was getting shot down and becoming a prisoner. Last Place McCain served his country by getting handouts from his guards. Getting handouts seems to be Last Place McCain’s modem of operations.


Irish-American Barack Obama turned down large profits after graduating from HARVARD LAW to serve the community in Chicago where help was needed most. The community learned to trust and love Irish-American Barack Obama for his dedication to the people.


Marriage

Last Place McCain walked out on his family to chase a younger woman who was on drugs, embezzling money from her company, stealing, and facing criminal charges, until her privileged family saved her from trial. Last Place McCain’s dysfunctional family represents chaos and lack of respect when he curses her in public.


Irish-American Barack Obama married an intelligent IVY LEAGUE attorney and adores his beautiful young daughters. Irish-American Barack Obama’s First Family represents what America is striving for. Irish-American Barack Obama has always been surrounded by and still maintains a great respect for women (Irish mother, Irish grandmother, wife, and two daughters). If anyone is in tune with and favors the betterment of working American women, then it’s Irish-American Barack Obama.

International Diplomacy

The World wants no more chaotic McBush-Last Place McCain.


The World loves Irish-American Barack Obama and will follow America’s leadership behind Irish-American Barack Obama.

If Last Place McCain had to make an emergency landing on a deserted island with HARVARD LAW Irish-American Barack Obama onboard as one of the passengers, then it is safe to say that Last Place McCain would assume the role of Gilligan, while HARVARD Scholar Irish-American Barack Obama would assume the role of the professor.


Navy pilot John Sidney Last Place McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, Last Place McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while Last Place McCain III was being held prisoner of war. Last Place McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, Last Place McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

Last Place McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

Last Place McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

Last Place McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

Last Place McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into Last Place McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

Last Place McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when Last Place McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. Last Place McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

After being drug from the lake, a mob gathered around Last Place McCain, spit on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing. He was bayoneted in his left foot and his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information, Last Place McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [Last Place McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

When the communist learned that Last Place McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW Last Place McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded Last Place McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

Last Place McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat. Since Last Place McCain got 28 medals, that equals out to a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.

Last Place McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

Last Place McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.

Former naval officer and the owner of an oil-trading company that inked defense contracts worth $1 billion is the modern presidential money man. The law forbids high-level supporters from writing huge checks, but with help from friends in the Middle East Last Place McCain is receiving large donations.

Posted by: GOP Last Place McFailure | August 14, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

the PUMAs have demanded that hillary's bowel movement from this morning be placed on the ballot.

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 14, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Why are the Obama supporters such a sore bunch of winners? Don't they realize that the defection of a small number of Hillary supports in a couple of swing states from the D-column into the R-column in November will result in that great warrior-patriot, John McCain, being elected as the next president? If Obama wants to use his good judgement, he'll announce on Tuesday night at the convention that he's asked Senator Clinton to be his running mate and that he'll wait until Wednesday night for her answer. That would make for an electrifying convention and blow the Republicans so far back in the polls that they will not be able to recover after Labor Day.

Posted by: TLC20011 | August 14, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I told you Obama was smart. And Clinton will do what it takes to make Obama the next president. So much for you anti-HIllary paranoid democrats! So stop wringing you hands and relax and watch the dream team anihilate McCain.

Posted by: Narnia | August 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

A year from now,
No Bush, no Clinton,
Keep on,
The Sunny Side,
Sweet rain,
On the roof.

Posted by: rusty 3 | August 14, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I love the drama! And then the swift boating begins, what fun!

Posted by: theaz | August 14, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I guess Obama's supporters cannot read. This decision was pointedly not Obama's, it was HRC's and hers alone. I.e. if she wanted to be nominated, it was going to happen.

HRC was being polite, and allowing for this to be fit in with Obama's plans, so things wouldn't be messy.

Posted by: DCDave | August 14, 2008 2:28 PM
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DCDAVE...Per Mr. T...."SHUT UP FOOL!" ROTFLMAO!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Groan. Name on the ballot. Don't cry for me All about Hillary -- go back and serve your constituency in New York already. I used to like her but if I never hear that name again, it would be okay with me.

Posted by: Sara B. | August 14, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Everyone had better take a bow at that convention! We ALL MUST hail the King and Queen of these great Americas!!! That would be Red Faced Bubba Bill and Crown me Queen Now, Hillary!!! Hail to all kings and queens...WE'll have to vote for Chelsea in 2012! It would be her turn! You women better get it together and get on the Queen Hillary's train! We are Women! We must unite!!!

I am "Queen Hillary" and I approve this message!!

Posted by: Queen Hillary | August 14, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I guess Obama's supporters cannot read. This decision was pointedly not Obama's, it was HRC's and hers alone. I.e. if she wanted to be nominated, it was going to happen.

HRC was being polite, and allowing for this to be fit in with Obama's plans, so things wouldn't be messy.

Posted by: DCDave | August 14, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU CANNOT EVEN CARRY YOUR CARPET BAGGER STATE

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT WITH $38. MILLION IN DEBT FROM THE PRIMARY

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU HAVE NO MONEY FOR THE GENERAL

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU DIVIDE TO CONQUER INTRA PARTY

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU LIE ABOUT BULLET DODGING

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU ARE FUNDAMENTALLY CORRUPTED BY MONEY

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOUR VOTERS ARE ONLY HARD WORKING WHITE PEOPLE

YOU CAN NOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU HAVE LOST THE BLACK VOTE

YOU CAN NOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU HAVE $109 M IN AN OFF SHORE COMMODITIES HEDGE FUND


YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU STEAL WHITE HOUSE FURNITURE BY ACCIDENT

YOU CANNOT BE PRESIDENT IF YOU LIE ABOUT YOUR FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

~

Nothing changes the fact that Obama is not qualified to be president.

Who knows what will occur in the next 10 days that may cause a small number of super-delegates to change their votes.

Obama is not electable. Just wait and see.

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Posted by: DickeyFuller | August 14, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Finally the Hillary is on, I wish she can win. She is a woman. all Hillary supports vote for Mccain, Thanks

Posted by: prince1 | August 14, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama is tanking in the polls and should be up by more than a mere 6 points against McCain. So this is just a show to get more Clinton supporters to vote for him. Im still not voting for him. He isnt qualified and the hubris is annoying. Notice that both sides agreed to this so stop the Hillary Hate and grow up.
McKinney 08

Posted by: Sonia | August 14, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

you know, all you people (or person) obsessed with this Indonesian Barry nonsense are probably in the same group of people who forward emails saying deoderant causes breast cancer. your ignorance is showing. (and look, even that document says born in honolulu! and guess what! honolulu is in the united states!)

Posted by: dc voter | August 14, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

DC/Dave...all set and ret to go! Flight, hotel and a hell of a lot of supporters!! We are actually leaving Sunday 8/24 noon!! Be there or be square!!!

Posted by: Obama 2008/2012 | August 14, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Will someone PLEAZZZZZZ lock up those two rednecks and throw away the key!! what could Bubba actually say...Nominate Hillary and it might be a shot out in that convention center....The dems is about to p$ss off a whole lotta people!

Posted by: say it ain't so! | August 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama2008/2012, You do your candidate credit, please e-mail him and ask him where to pick up your riot kit. lol.

If Ted did it and Kuchinich did it with much weaker showings when why not Hillary. Also, who knows the race was mainly decided by the super delegates anyways, so maybe they have changed their minds. :)

So Obama2008/2012 you better book your flight to Denver. lol.

Posted by: DCDave | August 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

bama will lose votes for cowtowing clintonian thuggery. if he gets elected, will he be taking order from this white trash?

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 14, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

This serves no purpose other than to derail Obama's candidacy.

The start of Hillary's 2012 campaign is now underway.

Posted by: dwchill | August 14, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Good She deserves it. And He needs her.

Posted by: Tom | August 14, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, shoot. Now I may have to vote for McCain after all. If Obama can't stand up to Hillary and Bill, how will he do with Iraq, Iran, China and the once and future USSR?

She lost. Ignore her. Let us clear the air of her lingering odor and let's quit being the laughing stock of the world.

Posted by: JerryFLA | August 14, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"henster123 "Obama refrained from raising Clinton's stinking past in the White House"

You want to go there? Discuss the stinking past? Wright, Rezko, Ayers, etc. "

Lets see what you got Bill W, just remember what your candidate has done pails in comparison, but go ahead lets hear it.

Posted by: American First | August 14, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has just been crowned "Queen of the Democrat Party"! What a looser! She and red faced, gray hair rapist bubba with the big fat mouth! I hate big fat mouth people especially red faced ones!

Posted by: Killing me softly | August 14, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Gee, the emperor Jones Obama finally decided that Hillary could be nominated.

How wonderful!

There will be joy in my heart when the second coming tanks in November!

Posted by: William | August 14, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with Democrats?
As the old saying goes, they could fu*k up a wet dream.

They are either submissive, weak-sister, limp-wrists like Pelosi and Reid or roll over like docile cocker spaniels to neocon / neochristian bullying like Dukakis, Gore and Kerry did.

Hillary had a good chance to win the nomination and the Presidency. I originally though she was the best nominee until I saw her true colors with her dirty Rovian campaign and her husband's big mouth.

Now Democrats are going to loose the election, and maybe not even have a credible nominee to put forward because people won't accept the results of the primaries.

Maybe we should just all bend over to the big-oil Cheney neocon theocrats for four to eight more years - at least the emos could say that they vindicated Hillary.

Posted by: Roy | August 14, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Neocons hell bent on making sure McCain is elected are behind this scam. Hillary plays ball to get her money back.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I commend Obama and Clinton for behaving as mature, intelligent adults. At least these two appear to sincerely want to reap the most out of this election. This portends to be the most important election year for the Democratic Party in a century or longer. I can only hope the underlings who pretend to be devoted supporters can behave accordingly. But now it's time for the media to undermine and destroy and attempts to build a bridge to unity. Will it survive the hatchet jobs that are bound to come?

Posted by: TJK | August 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Ynot1: Dennis Kucinich's name was placed in nomination in 2004 and Ted Kennedy's name was placed in nomination when he ran against Jimmy Carter...........So what does being a woman have to do with anything? Unless you mean that because she is a woman, you thought she could be treated differently?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

If you Clinton folks think for one moment that we (the democratic party and Obama supporters are going to just sit back like church mouses and let the Clintons' and the supers steal the nomination from Barak Obama, you are dumber than I thought you were! The convention center would literally be torn down to the ground and every fool in their that tried to steal it would be literally crawling out of that center! ROTFLMAO!!! You can talk all the 'ish you want to behind your computer monitor but up close and personal, face to face, well that's another thing! Obama is the party's nominee and that's about the size of it! You don't like it! Tough 'ish! That's your problem. How does Mr. T say it--- Shut up, Fool! LMAO

Posted by: Obama 2008/2012 | August 14, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse


henster123 "Obama refrained from raising Clinton's stinking past in the White House"

You want to go there? Discuss the stinking past? Wright, Rezko, Ayers, etc.

Posted by: Billw | August 14, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

This proves what a vile, egomaniac Hillary really is. It is all about her. This is disgusting. She was rejected by the people and must be rejected again. The Democrats cannot win if Hillary is allowed to steal the nomination from Obama. Absolutely disgusting.

Posted by: Jimbo | August 14, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Dream Ticket

Posted by: walker1 | August 14, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Unless this was mandated by DNC rules what good can come from this. Does anyone honestly believe the presumptive nominee still bears some moral responsibility to placate Hillary dead-enders after the negative campaign waged against him by the Clinton campaign. Cut them loose and move on. Will Rogers was right, this is not an organized political party.

Posted by: maxfli | August 14, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean. After 40 years as a Democrat, your dishonest DNC shenanigans are responsible for making me switch to the Republican Party.

Posted by: charlie | August 14, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse


henster123 " Because guilt by association wasn't raised early enough?"

Guilt? The old truism still holds. Birds of a feather flock together. He flocked for 20 years.

Posted by: Billw | August 14, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

CLINTON RAN A MISMANAGED DC INSIDER CAMPAIGN OF HUBRIS AND LOST A FAIR FIGHT. SHE WAS REJECTED BY THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS AS A BELTWAY INSIDER AND SELF-SERVING DINASAUR CLASS POLITICAL LAWYER.

ANY clinton supporter who walks out of the convention deserves NOTHING BUT MCCAIN IN THE WHITEHOUSE!

These are the Gloria Steinem throwbacks that care more about themselves than they do America.

It is THAT simple.

I totally disagree that her name should be put into nomination as long as she continues spouting the lie that 18 million people cast votes for her.

Its voodoo math. She's baked. Unsupportive of the REAL nominee, and PANDERING for her own personal gain to hate, anger, and division.

Posted by: JBE | August 14, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous said -

"Mr. Barak Obama, you'll make a spectacular President and I look forward to you being sworn into Office in January. God Bless you and God Bless America!"

I couldn't agree more or say it better. We've got to rise about the destructive childishness that is all too often on dispaly.

Posted by: Brent Mack | August 14, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Crying Towel : "MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA DID NOT COUNT!!!!! GET OVER IT!!!! YOUR PARTY MADE THE RULES!!!!
Follow the rules, unless you are Hillary, right?"

Another uneducated Obama supporter still doesn't get it. MI and FL are being counted in full as full delegates just as the rules called for. And now when counted in full Obama leads with 40 elected delegates and Hillary leads with the popular vote......Super Delegates will decide at the convention. Again, the rules always called for these states to be reinstated to full delegates by the convention. Obama and the media mesled Obama supporters into thinking these states would not count or only count as half. It was clear to anyone with IQ over 75 that both these states were to be counted in full........The rule change was for Obama to gain delegates in MI where he chose to remove his name from the ballot. NO RULES were changed for Hillary, but RULES WERE CHANGED FOR OBAMA. Be sure to thank Pelosi and Dean when McCain is elected.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Now what makes all these Clinton supporters think close to 2000 politicians (because that's who all the delegates are, super and elected delegates) are going to stand up and enthusiastically support a losing candidate, just to embarrass and piss off their party's nominee and possibly the next President, to placate the ego's of the Clintons?

Posted by: RCD | August 14, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I forgot to mention that Hillary was caught in the back seat of a car with Rev. Wright! Women we must unite!! We don't need men. All we need is Hillary Clinton...Queen of the World!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will forever be QUEEN of AMERICA!!!! Bubba will Forever be redfaced rapist! Oh by the way, Hillary is a muslim! LMAO

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst news I have seen in so long. We need to UNITE, folks, we need all hands on deck to win this election! Keeping everything divided until the last minute is NO GOOD for us!!! I've given up on HRC, so what if she helps elect McCain, she gets her time standing on the podium being voted for at the convention, good for her. But Obama! How could he let this happen?!?! He looks weak and it's going to hurt him. I'm persuaded the latent Clinton drag factor is part of why he is not doing better, but there is also the self-inflicted stuff e.g. hiring Patti Solis-Doyle and now this disaster. This was the Dems election to lose and now it seems we're trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Thank goodness Obama is such a better candidate than McCain or I'd be even more worried.

Posted by: enviro | August 14, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

So... basically Hillary gets to have her name placed in nomination because she is a woman? Sounds sexist to me.

Posted by: Ynot1 | August 14, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Some Clinton backers had said they would leave the convention after Clinton speaks on Tuesday night, as part of an ongoing protest against Obama's nomination."

These emos are latter day Ralph Naders who would rather split the Democratic ticket apart and default to Cheney's third term rather than to get over their boo hooing that Hillary lost. The fact is that their emotional and illogical behavior will neither nominate nor elect Hillary for President.

They, along with neochristian lemmings who will be bullied by their pastors to vote for McCain richly deserve the America they inherit from this.

Maybe a better name for America is not Cheney's Jesuslandia but rather Hillary's Stupidlandia.

Posted by: Roy | August 14, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the Dems actually came to their senses.

There was no reasonable way to deny this normal and traditional process to the first truly credible female candidate for the nomination. Especially since more Dems voted for her in the primary than any one else in history.

Sad that it took so long.

It took along time for Nancy Pelosi to bend on the offshore drilling vote when it was obvious they can't win the election with the unpopular, irrational and obstructionist hardened stand the Dems were taking.

I'm wondering, just who in the Democratic Party right now is the deadwood who forms the inertia against which these two simple, stark and no-brainer decisions had to move like slow molasses? Who's the dead weight that comprises the resistance?

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 14, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"No, he cheated Clinton out of the race. Had he been vetted at the start re the "Wright baggage" instead of after the first 11 primaries (which he won) Clinton would have won. After that it was nip and tuck in the voting. The man has a very bad history behind him."

Remarkable analysis. Cheating? Because guilt by association wasn't raised early enough? If only the Clintons had been dirtier?

One of the salient facts of the campaign was that Obama refrained from raising Clinton's stinking past in the White House--right up to her involvement in her brother's pay for pardon scheme--that would have been fodder for the Republicans had she won the nomination.

Posted by: henster123 | August 14, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should be President for as long as she wants.
Rise, Hillary Rise. You are our Queen. God Bless Hillary!

Clinton '08, '12' 16' 20


Posted by: Wendy Whiner | August 14, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Lenny says: Its funny how much hatred is here in these blogs. Look, this year was flawed, but the process does work.
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Nope. The process COULD have worked if the MSM had kept their biased noses out of it. Let the 'swift-boating' of O-blah-blah begin.

Posted by: FlaLady | August 14, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking to myself and couldn't stop laughing....Hillary did whatever it took to try & win that nomination even though she knowingly understood that she had a snowball chance in he$$ of winning. She led her angry supporters around with the six packs she kept drinking on the campaign trail with her drunk campaign...Remember the dude that took a shot of rum on the Morning Joe show...that was hillarious!! Remember when Hillary kept going around the poor white folks with her extremely RICH self comfortably taking shots and telling every state that she campaign in that she lived there! I couldn't stop laughing..ROTFLMAO!!! Compare that with the Obama's camp..not negative, stayed on message, very dignified, ate a couple of pizzas and drinked a beer or two, could bowl but that's okay .. he get's an A for effort but ran a very dignified and intelligent campaign and outsmarted the Clintons! LMAO!!! Her angry supporters didn't help retire her debt, I see. So I guess that just like to spew venom to help them get through their PMS days! LMAO

Posted by: angryasheck! | August 14, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

K: The difference between strong and stupid women is the strong suuport Hillary and the stupid were dumb enough to be misled into supporting Obama. You do need an education. I know people from all walks of life and can honestly tell you that every person I personally know that supports Obama is under educated or still in college. Sorry but that is how things are here in Massachusettes where McCain will beat Obama in November much to the surprise of Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick.

voting McCain 2008 and Hillary 2012

Posted by: lifelongdemocrat | August 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

most of you people make me sick with your agenda base mind sets.

Posted by: Keith | August 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

It makes me so bitter and angry when people try and smear the reputation of Hillary -- who is actually entitled to the Democratic nomination.

Hillary understands completely that it is the far-left members of the party -- angry, bitter leftists like me who read firedoglake and are secure in our gender identity -- who will have the final say in this election.

Hillary is just setting Osama Barack up -- you'll see -- Hillary is entitled to the presidency and she will grab the nomination and the presidency, too.

You GO, girl!

Posted by: twin_peaks_nikki | August 14, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

18 million cracks is right... as the repugs carry them around like six-packs.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse


"Obama will be noninated for his backbone"

Like refusing to debate Clinton and join the town hall meetings?

Posted by: Billw | August 14, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I am a proud republican...you guys look like idiots!

Posted by: Proud Republican | August 14, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse


"Obama is indeed gracious."

No, he cheated Clinton out of the race. Had he been vetted at the start re the "Wright baggage" instead of after the first 11 primaries (which he won) Clinton would have won. After that it was nip and tuck in the voting. The man has a very bad history behind him.


Posted by: Billw | August 14, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

still $38 million in debt.... still unable to get re-elected in New York... so I think everybody came around to the idea that this is it for the 200 lb bag of cookie dough.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand something. People whine that Hillary won Florida. Did she? As far as I know, ALL candidates were to take their names off the ballot there. She left hers on. So, should she be rewarded for cheating? (My
Posted by: M.L. | August 14, 2008 12:52 PM
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You are right, you don't understand anything and should not be posting here because of it. Clinton, Obama and Edwards were on the ballot in Florida and yes, Hillary Clinton won over 50% of the vote. Obama came in second and Edwards dropped out the following day when he failed to achieve 15%.

As for Michigan. No one was required to remove their name from the ballot. Obama did because his internal polling showed he would lose big. You see, once again he showed his yellow stripe. That's why it was so unfair for the RBC to give him delegates he did not earn. Nothing like rewarding cowardice.

Posted by: Tardbuster | August 14, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

After a botched campaign, she lost. Had she been able to run unopposed, as she did in Michigan and as she wished, she'd have the nomination. Obama is indeed gracious. I'd have told her to return to Hillaryland and to take Bubba and her other baggage with her.

Posted by: henster123 | August 14, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

when it comes to racism and sexism... what I like to do is reverse the roles. In this example... how would this play out if it were Obama that had come up short. You can bet he would not have his own day and the Rodham Clinton mafia would not allow him to have his name placed in nomination. Period. But we are talking about women folk here they will say.... they need to coddled. And certainly based on all the blubbering about HRC's loss... there is THAT argument, but this is politics and the Clintons have stuffed the Party full of these Bullet Dodgers so ... what can you do. They have destroyed the chances of so many Democrats that you don't really have a choice but accept that there maxi pads are overflowing and they have gone into toxic shock.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 14, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Soros COUP D' etet is over now that the Clintons have been vindicated that the Commie wasn't vetted by the MSM !

Posted by: rtfanning | August 14, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Its funny how much hatred is here in these blogs. Look, this year was flawed, but the process does work. And it is normal for people to have mixed feelings- for this year we had two very strong canidates: Senator Barack Obama and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. These two historic figures ran a very strong campaign and had alot of supporters- but its over now.

We are all so caught up in these hard feelings that we forgot what we were fighting for in the first place! Senator Clinton and Obama entered this race, waking up early and going to bed late, to bring a democrat back into the White House to fix the problems that George Bush caused. And that fight needs to continue, with all of us united!

In Denver, we will all meet, and Senator Clinton will be honored, not just for her campaign, but for her grit and her bravory. And Obama will be noninated for his backbone and leadership. And then we will leave, hopefully united, the way we democrats do- as family.


Posted by: Lenny | August 14, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

lifelongdemocrat

For your information I am highly educated and don't need to get an education. I am proud to be a woman and don't care what you or any other idiot thinks of me. That's the differenc between strong and stupid women.

By the way, your conspiracy theory is far fetched and just makes you sound paranoid thereby making your argument ineffective.

Posted by: k | August 14, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

jodi....get over it! She lost! End of the Story! She'll loose again in 2012...the American people are tired of the polarizing and pathetic clintons...She lost...it's over...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Classy move by Obama and the Democrats. Too bad so many supporters on both sides are not so classy.

Posted by: steveboyington | August 14, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

WAH!!!!!! More fuzzy math. WAH!!!! I WANT MY WOMAN PRESIDENT!!!!WAH!!!!!!!

MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA DID NOT COUNT!!!!! GET OVER IT!!!! YOUR PARTY MADE THE RULES!!!!
Follow the rules, unless you are Hillary, right?

Posted by: Crying Towel | August 14, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

sfsinger : Obama is a racist. He did make a pretty speech but fails to follow his own advice and instead chooses to divide this country by race. If Obama were not racist then he would not have run to a microphone following Bill's historically correct remark, "Jesse Jackson won SC too." and falsly claimed that Bill used "code" words and clearly indicated that Bill Clinton was therefore racist. If I were Bill CLinton, when he gives his speech, I would slam Obama and certainly not vote my Super Delegate vote for him.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse



Counting MI votes and the caucuses:

Obama : 17,869,542 47.4%

Clinton: 18,046,007 47.9%
That means Hillary Clinton has +176,465 more popular votes than Obama.

For Obama supporters. Educate yourselves. Check the real clear politics popular vote for the 2008 democratic primary. The results are perfectly clear unless 2 + 2 = 4 is difficult math for you.....then go back to school so that the next unethical person running for President can not mislead you so badly that you look like simple fools. Michelle and Barack Obama laugh all night over how stupid their average supporter is.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary Clinton's name will symbolically be placed into nomination at the Democratic National Convention, but then she will quickly turn her delegates over to Barack Obama and cast her superdelegate vote for him."
All together now - Let's all sit around the Feel Good fire and sing Kumbaya!!! PUMA's holding hands with Rev Wright! Hillary with Nancy P's head on her shoulder, Bill and Michelle, arms interlocked in unity!!!! Oh what a wonderfull sight!!! And Obama at the Center of the Circle, Love in his eyes for all around!!!!!

Posted by: Crying Towel | August 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

It is insane how many people here are calling Obama racist. It's just a feeble attempt to cover up your own racism. Obama gave one of the most reasonable and insightful speeches on race relations in the U.S. ever, and if you can't grasp that, I'm not sure what hope theor is for you. Pull your head out of the sand, and do some self-examination before you head to the polls in November, please!

Posted by: sfsinger | August 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

M.L: Both Hillary and Obama were on the Florida ballot and Hillary won easily. AND No one was suppose to remove their name from any ballot. Obama removed his name from the MI ballot because Iowa was complaining about MI voting early, so Obama removed his name from MI ballot to impress the Iowa voters. It worked and he won Iowa but should have never been given a delegate from MI since he chose to remove his name from their ballot along with Richardson and Edwards.

Posted by: jodi | August 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

The animousity here is crazy.

I believe that Obama made the right decision to allow Hillary Clinton's name to be placed in nomination. Hillary made the right decision to announce after the last primary that she is endorsing Barack Obama.

Democrats will leave this convention united and all the people making nasty comments here should take a lead from their candidates- Obama and Clinton- and learn to work together and respect each other. Clinton has done more for Obama since she ended her camapign than any previous defeated candidate. Most of you may be too young to remember the scene that Ted Kennedy made when he was defeated by Carter in 1980 and refused to shake Carter's hand on stage.

Clinton has shown class as well as has Obama. I wish their supporters would begin to do the same.

Posted by: peter DC | August 14, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

“I am convinced that honoring Senator Clinton's historic campaign in this way will help us celebrate this defining moment in our history and bring the party together in a strong united fashion,” Obama said in the statement.

“With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again,” Clinton said in the statement.
Look Out Obama!!!! LOOK OUT!!!!! ya better watch yer butt.

Posted by: Crying Towel | August 14, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

As is always true with the Clintons--it's all about me.

She and Bill are truly headcases.

Posted by: reporter1 | August 14, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

: Hillary was set up by a racist campaigner named Obama. Patty Doyle was inside the Hillary campaign but working for Obama, just as she is now. If you are a female then you are an embarrassment to the rest of us. Please get an education so that the next racist and unethical person to run for President will not so easily be able to mislead you.

HILLARY 2012 ANYONE BUT OBAMA 2008
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hahahah....I'd be really careful if I were you....playing that race card and the rev. wright tapes, didn't really sit well with the voters and sure didn't help sen. clinton. You might want to take that back! LMAO

We are Black and WE are Proud!! We are also Proud white voters who whole heartedly support Mr. Barak Obama!! We denounce and reject all bigots!!! ROTFLMAO!! We come in many colors, ages, sexes, shapes, and sizes...We are MANY!!! Obama 2008/2012

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi bought the delegates for Obama, 87% of his delegates went against the will of the voters in their districts and at the state level:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/13/bought-and-paid-for-by-nancy-pelosi/

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

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Lynx,
You are so right. Clinton asked her supporters to get behind Barack Obama, she endorsed him, anyone who truly supported her, and democratic stances would do as she asked.
As to people who say Obama supporters are hate-mongers, I can't deny that we don't have an rude people, I can't pretend I'm full of love for HRC (I do have some respect for her though) but we're not the ones who started a group entitled Party Unity My Ass. As a feminist, I'm ashamed of the women who are acting in such a juvenille and self-destructive way. HRC lost according to the rules she agreed to play by, yes, there was appalling sexism in the media, but that's not why she lost. Please get over it!

Posted by: sfsinger | August 14, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Clinton and Obama just issued a joint statement: "Since June, Senators Obama and Clinton have been working together to ensure a Democratic victory this November. They are both committed to winning back the White House and to to ensuring that the voices of all 35 million people who participated in this historic primary election are respected and heard in Denver. To honor and celebrate these voices and votes, both Senator Obama's and Senator Clinton's names will be placed in nomination."
WTF?!?!?! Why Bother??? Hill should throw her full support NOW. Why the BS? Nothing will appease the Pro-Hills anyway. Also, all this Name calling by Dems is a big turn-off, ya know? Have some RESPECT!!!!

Posted by: Crying Towel | August 14, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Someone please pound a wooden stake through her heart.

Posted by: Jolie | August 14, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

k: Hillary was set up by a racist campaigner named Obama. Patty Doyle was inside the Hillary campaign but working for Obama, just as she is now. If you are a female then you are an embarrassment to the rest of us. Please get an education so that the next racist and unethical person to run for President will not so easily be able to mislead you.

HILLARY 2012 ANYONE BUT OBAMA 2008

Posted by: lifelongdemocrat | August 14, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

jodi.....You PUMA folks and rejected Hillary supporters are really cracking me up!!!! You guys were the only ones that were fool enough to believe that Hillary actually won 18 million votes and was running neck to neck with Obama. It has been proven via actual statistics and voter information, pools, analyst, etc that after Super Tuesday, Hillary had less than a 1 % of a chance of winning the race. Why she chose to stay in the race, confused many but most of all her disgruntled supporters! LMAO!!! She didn't have a chance, that's why no one is interested in helping her settle her debt because she she have dropped out long before she did. She knew she couldn't win but she wanted that nomination by any means necessary even if it meant dragging her pathetic disgruntle and severly angry supporters into the foolishness. I might add, that she certainly succeed with that! Just look at your face in the mirror, you'll see her success! That's the ONLY thing that Hillary won!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Voted for the Clintons 3 times.

Never Ever again.

Posted by: PulSamsara | August 14, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

WOW it is hard to beleive there are still folks out there who beleive that Hillary out gunned Barack in votes or anything else. She ran the worst campaign with over one hundred million dollars and had a terrible strategy. SHE LOST GET OVER IT! She reminds me of a girl at a bar at closing time who follows you out to the car asking "Is there and after party?" No there is no after party Hillary! If you want a party try and join the Democrats who are going to get the White House back with Barack Obama as our leader.

YES WE CAN

Posted by: COL MARK WITTINGTON US ARMY!! | August 14, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand something. People whine that Hillary won Florida. Did she? As far as I know, ALL candidates were to take their names off the ballot there. She left hers on. So, should she be rewarded for cheating? (My Opinion) And, should both states be rewarded for breaking Party rules? NO! Also, this nonsense about Edwards. He should have dropped of the Iowa primary because he cheated on his wife? That situation is between them both, not anyone else. Hillary supports cry that if he dropped out, she'd won Iowa? HA! Also, are her supporters forgetting something? BILL cheated on Hillary as well, but should he have been told to drop out in 92'? Think about that. And, heaven forbid if a Dem changes their mind. If they do, the Reps chant, "Flip-Flop". But, if a Rep changes their mind, it's just shrewd thinking? If you elect McCain, you'll get another 4-8 years of Bush policies. I'd think long and hard before I'd let Hillary hi-jack the nomination.

Posted by: M.L. | August 14, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

It is fine by me if the narcissistic Clintons get some spotlight so long as they then get the hell out of the way. They can be gracious and actually do something for Barack Obama at least in the hinterlands and Applachia. If Obama can beat them he can beat Mc Same and his Karl Rove Steve Schmidt liars. Too bad the world has to be the way it is.

YES WE STILL CAN YES WE STILL WILL!

Posted by: COL MARK WITTINGTON US ARMY | August 14, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama "I'm sorry to all the American people, I'm sorry I lied about my Indonesian citizenship, I'm sorry I have set race relations back 50 years,...here is your nominee,..."Hillary Clinton!"

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/14/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian-citizen-muslim-religion-updated-x-2/#more-4182

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Irma....you sound really retarded!!! We reject and denounce your comment!!! God Bless America and God Bless Mr. Barak Obama...why don't you ask McFool to purchase you a pair of 600 dollar loafers while the rest of America starve to death! McCain and Hillary are both loosers!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters have so much to learn.

Like Chuck's comment: "I hate to burst your bubble, but Obama won the popular vote," REALITY Hillary won the popular vote.

"the delegate count," REALITY When FL and MI are counted as voted the Obama lead in elected delegates is 40 delegates while neither reaches the number needed without Super Delegate votes. The Super Delegates will be blamed most when Obama loses and he will lose.

"and is the Democratic nominee."
REALITY Obama is the assumed nominee but we all know what happens when you assume.....you make an ASS out of U and ME.

"Counting Obama as having zero votes in Michigan might put Hillary on top," REALITY counting the votes as voted by the people clearly gives the popular vote lead to Hillary. Giving votes to Obama when he chose to remove his name from the ballot is absurd......why not give me those votes or Edwars or Richardson?

"but it ignores the 40% who voted to send undeclared delegates to the convention."
REALITY The entire reason for voting uncommitted was to send those delegates as uncommitted and certainly not to give their votes to Obama plus 4 dleegate votes that Hillary absolutely won by voters voting for her. If they wanted to vote Obama, they would have written his name in and they did not.

" Those were Obama votes, since his name wasn't on the ballot." REALITY Again if a voter wanted to vote Obama they would have written his name in and many of those uncommitted voters were interested in Edwards or Richardson and never intended to vote Obama. Obama chose to remove his name and deserved no votes or delegates from MI.

" It is tiresome to have to continue to fight off fuzzy math arguments from people who claim to be supporting Hillary" REALITY The fuzzy math is clearly an Obama (and Bush) thing. Any person buying into Obama's fuzzy math needs to go back to math class and ethics class.

HILLARY 2012 but McCAIN 2008 just to defeat Obama the racist and unethical joke.

Posted by: jodi | August 14, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind Hillary getting recognition for a hard-fought and a historic campaign. But despite all the people out there fuming that she lost and blaming everyone in sight (when they should be blaming her own campaign for screwing up so badly), SHE LOST! Let's move on. If Hillary hijacks the convention and causes more uproar, then I and many others like me (white, female democrats) will make sure she loses the next democratic primary by a landslide. And that is a promise PUMA!!!!

Posted by: k | August 14, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow!!! This has all the makings of a clusterflock!!!!!! I am amazed how disorganized the Democrats are! The leaders of the party are feckless, toothless, and clueless! In a year where the Democrats should be a shoo-in to the White House, the Democratic Nominee-in-Waiting has a razor-thin lead (if any!). And now this little tantrum from the Clintonites to "unite" the party!?!?!? Yeah, right!!!

I disagree with almost everything that the Republicans stand for. But they seem to be so much better organized, so much better at having their shict together, and so much more ready to lead.

I know this is a bit of "cutting off your nose to spite your face" reaction, but I will be voting for McCain in November.

Posted by: Geonerd20 | August 14, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't it be, God bless you and God d-- America? I mean that is what Obama believes. By the way, does anyone know who paid off Wright, he hasn't been heard of lately. I thought that by now he would be out there promoting his book. I guess he will resurface when Obama is President. Then he can go and mentor to him and tell him how to run the country and people that he hates and damns. The Democrats need a new party. Obama has hijacked this party and is already a dictator with his dictatorship ways of not allowing delegates to speak their minds, etc.
God bless America, vote McCain

Posted by: Irma | August 14, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary & Bill and their Reichwing,supports
will do anything to discredit,our party,
because she lost,they can't get over that
bitter pill,that the new guy was smarter,
and more sincere with his vision,Hillary just wanted the keys to the whitehouse,but this whitehouse is not foe SALE,I won't be watchingher or him them nights,and all them PUMA chicks are doing is giving Rush
Limpball & Seanita opportunity, to pat each other backside.

Posted by: GOBBELS | August 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The list grows....
ichief
ASIAN INDIAN [probably white]
JerryG
Wake up [in my crosshairs]
The Lyin', The Witch, And the Warchest [lousy poet!!}
Paul F. Villarreal
MeMyselfI
Irma
Joe M. Omma

Posted by: Puma Safari | August 14, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Why does she insist on ruining Obama's night? Why is she soooo crazy about being on the spot light?!! People have voted her off, so please stay out Mrs Clinton.

Posted by: Haya | August 14, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The racists posting here:
ichief
ASIAN INDIAN [probably white]
JerryG
Wake up
The Lyin', The Witch, And the Warchest [lousy poet!!}
Paul F. Villarreal

Posted by: Puma Safari | August 14, 2008 12:32 PM
___________________________________________The race card again? Come on Obamabots, is that all you have?

Obama has lied about his religion but more importantly, f he held Indonesian citizenship he is NOT eligible,..OUCH!!

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Irma....you sound really retarded!!! We reject and denounce your comment!!! God Bless America and God Bless Mr. Barak Obama...why don't you ask McFool to purchase you a pair of 600 dollar loafers while the rest of America starve to death! McCain and Hillary are both loosers!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Registered Republican Here (more like an Independent though) thinking about voting for Obama.
Wah - Catfighting Pelosi kept Hill out, Wah - Hill got robbed of Fla and Michigan, Wah - it's a male chauvinistic conspiracy against Hill WAHHHHHH!!!!!
1) Obama won Fair and Square
2) Hill wants Obama to lose so she can get into HER White House in 2012 OR
3) Steal the 2008 Nom through the backdoor
4) If Obama does not get strong about this and stop the shenanigans, he will not get the "Middle of the Road" voter.
WAHHHH!!!!!!!Pass the Crying Towel!!!!!

Posted by: Crying Towel | August 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I am geared up and ready for the convention. I can't wait to go! You can best believe that Obama supporters aren't EVEN going to let anything go wrong at that conventions! PUMA protestors, we're going to make you look like a bunch of rejected, angry, stupid fools on national display for the whole world to see your racist bigot a$$e$! Yeah!!!! Time to show the world just how you are!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The racists posting here:
ichief
ASIAN INDIAN [probably white]
JerryG
Wake up
The Lyin', The Witch, And the Warchest [lousy poet!!}
Paul F. Villarreal

Posted by: Puma Safari | August 14, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't it be, God bless you and God d-- America? I mean that is what Obama believes. By the way, does anyone know who paid off Wright, he hasn't been heard of lately. I thought that by now he would be out there promoting his book. I guess he will resurface when Obama is President. Then he can go and mentor to him and tell him how to run the country and people that he hates and damns. The Democrats need a new party. Obama has hijacked this party and is already a dictator with his dictatorship ways of not allowing delegates to speak their minds, etc.
God bless America, vote McCain

Posted by: Irma | August 14, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

All this does is make Democrat voters, a very large and sizable amount disgusted with the Clintons and future elections, and failed legacies will prove this to be true in the future! Down with the Clintons and sorry a$$ McFool's!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm young, African-American, female, Baptist, and an emotional voter, so "of course" I'm a Democrat. (a little bit of sarcasm there)

With the way this race has been run over the last few months, and now THIS, I may become an official registered Republican.

Posted by: MeMyselfI | August 14, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Barak Obama, you'll make a spectacular President and I look forward to you being sworn into Office in January. God Bless you and God Bless America!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:19 PM


______________________________________________
President of the PTA maybe!!

It appears that little Barry was indeed an Indonesian citizen!? OUCH!!

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/breaking-photo-documents-
___________________________________________And yeah, McFool is PWT from some undisclosed European country! ROTFLMAO!! And Clinton was born in about 15 states all during one birth! IS she the choosen one?! LMAO

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

CLINTON PACKERS ARE ANGRY IDIOTS
GET OVER IT, MOVE ON OR GO TO MEXICO

Posted by: Char | August 14, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Poor Obama sitting on the curb outside the Pepsi Center wondering what in the hell happened. How did those sleazeball clinton's pull it off?

Posted by: Joe M. Omma | August 14, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

ASIAN INDIAN will you buy me a new set of tires since he highways in CA are horrible? Your gas tax would only cause more problems than it creates. How about another bridge accident like I-35 in MN?

It is funny how the people who cry no taxes are the first to use tax money!!

Posted by: nick | August 14, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Barak Obama, you'll make a spectacular President and I look forward to you being sworn into Office in January. God Bless you and God Bless America!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:19 PM


______________________________________________
President of the PTA maybe!!

It appears that little Barry was indeed an Indonesian citizen!? OUCH!!

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

It's sad for me, to see there are still so many racists out there. It's an even sadder thing for the racists, because their time has come and gone and there's nothing they can do about it except make a lot of foul noise. The chances of a White Supremacy for this country have been fading fast, especially in the last couple decades. By 2042, white/causasian people will no longer be the majority. America has changed since the days of the KKK. Hopefully there will soon be laws that crack down on racism in this country, and these sorry little bigots will have to dig deeper under ground to save themselves.

I'm a white female, a boomer, and I have no problems with accepting a woman or a person of color as our POTUS. What matters is how they will run this country. Bottom line.

Posted by: Puma Safari | August 14, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering when Obama supporters will realize their ugly hate-mongering dishonors their candidate who has presented himself as being above the old-style partisan politics?

Posted by: ichief | August 14, 2008 12:18 PM
___________________________________________
When the PUMA's and crazy Clintons stop trying to stronghold Obama's nomination and get over the fact they LOST! Period, end of Story! Had Obama been a white nominee, this Clinton and PUMA fake a$$ stonghold on Obama's nomination wouldn't even be happening...they would have respected the white man and the so called PUMA's would have been just as satisfied with their white candidate..all this is about "dynasty politics mixed with a bunch of unhappy, displaced angry, white women and gay men! Get over yourselves!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are fools and so are their PUMA supporters. I can probably guess what PUMA really stands for but I will keep my guess to myself. Obama is smart, do what you can to unite the party, while at the same time, giving those two Clinton idiots enough rope to hang their future political careers out to dry. They have shown themselves to be pitiful! Obama has shown himself to be a TRUE uniter and great Democrat who truly care about the American people and what's at stake, not about a pathetic legacy, or ownership of the democratic party or being privy to the democratic nomination, like the Clintons have shown themselves to be! Mr. Barak Obama, you'll make a spectacular President and I look forward to you being sworn into Office in January. God Bless you and God Bless America!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering when Obama supporters will realize their ugly hate-mongering dishonors their candidate who has presented himself as being above the old-style partisan politics?

Posted by: ichief | August 14, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I dont understand why people still support Obama after learning everything we have learnt so far.
1. Remember the church he attended for 20 years.
2. Remember how he ditched his pastor when it was politically the right thing to do after being with him for 20 years.

3. Remember that he voted that if a baby is born from botched abortion it should be allowed to DIE. Please read about this.

more comments below


Posted by: ASIAN INDIAN | August 14, 2008 11:59 AM


I guess you're a slow learner Asian Indian - or a paid spammer. These are old well disputed talking points - get some new material. This old hooey doesn't convince anyone.

Posted by: j | August 14, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Good, then will the ever pathetic Mr. and Mrs. Clinton and their juvenile supporters be happy?

Geez, she lost fair and square - she and her supporters need to grow up and get over it. If she had run a better campaign, the end result may have been different, but she had no one to blame but herself.

Posted by: JDB | August 14, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Chuck: You are so wrong. The only reason Obama won the nomination is that Dean and Nancy pressured the superdelegates to vote for Obama and they wanted them to vote before the convention which they didn't want to do. Nancy didn't want Hillary to be the nominee. Hillary also got cheated out of the delegates in MI and FL. Get a grip and start reading the truth. Edwards should not have been campaigning for president and the media was responsible for hiding his love affair otherwise Hillary would have won Iowa. Let's hope that everthing works out in Hillary's favor by her voters and the superdelegates who can switch their votes because Obama played dirty pool to the woman running against him for the senate and accused her of duplicate signatures. He won the case and ruined her political career. This appears to be the same incident with Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | August 14, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JerryG | August 14, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Much like Ron Paul supporters, so called PUMAs seem more numerous than they are, because they instantly go to any place where Clinton is discussed and inundate it with comments. They simply can't explain away that Obama still holds a small but steady lead in national polls. They can't explain how letting McCain win helps the person they claim to support, Clinton. They can't explain how they think Clinton could EVER win if she wrested the nomination away at this point.

Why? Because many of them are lying when they say they support Clinton. Think about it; someone who clearly hates Obama (not opposes, HATES), who claims to support Clinton but refuses to do what she asks; unite behind Obama. Who claims to be a Democrat but supports the bid of the Republican. Who claim to believe in Clinton but want to give the presidency to the guy who shares almost none of her positions. These "Clinton supporters" are mostly Republicans with a few manipulated Clinton supporters mixed in.

Posted by: Lynx | August 14, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is pathetic. She promised to support Obama 100% - now she continues to undercut his candidacy. The democrats are pathetic because they continue to let her. When McCain wins in November there will be two parties to blame Hillary and her gang of women and the democratic party for being too weak to stand up to Hillary and Bill.

Posted by: James | August 14, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Vote for McCain?
You must be insane.

Posted by: MortyR | August 14, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Incredible to me how easy it is to set-up Barack Obama.

If he is so naive to underestimate what the Clintons are doing, God forbid he would become President of the United States.

Posted by: Gene Oliver | August 14, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, man, I'm sorry. But one more:

Obama and McCain
Obama and McCain
One is a genius,
The other is McCain!

Posted by: The Lyin', The Witch, And the Warchest | August 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama is pathetic. Way to pick another loser, Dems.

Even with every advantage, i.e. grotesque amounts of money, MSM colluding to elect him, Repubs who have lost power, a populace silenced from criticizing him or be branded racist, and his abandoning his platform to get conservative votes, this guy is STILL just limping along.

So much for your Messiah, Obama-bots.

The more of him people see, the more they see there's nothing to see. He will end up being more like Bush than McCain will.

Vote Clinton. Otherwise, we're in for another grim 4-8 years with Obama or McCain.

Posted by: Wake up | August 14, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

You do realize that Hillary can be nominated and voted for at this convention don't you? Being the official nominee does not guarantee votes. There are several interesting articles on how this can happen and has happened out there. I hope she gets in since I don't think a vote for Obama or McCain is what I want to cast...

Posted by: PG | August 14, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Beware of the so call Hillraisers and the like. Some of them are repulicans in sheeps clothing. They mean no good to the Dems, and espeically to Obama.

Posted by: Luke | August 14, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I dont understand why people still support Obama after learning everything we have learnt so far.
1. Remember the church he attended for 20 years.
2. Remember how he ditched his pastor when it was politically the right thing to do after being with him for 20 years.

3. Remember that he voted that if a baby is born from botched abortion it should be allowed to DIE. Please read about this.

more comments below

Posted by: ASIAN INDIAN | August 14, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I dont understand why people still support Obama after learning everything we have learnt so far.
1. Remember the church he attended for 20 years.
2. Remember how he ditched his pastor when it was politically the right thing to do after being with him for 20 years.
3. Remember that he voted that if a baby is born from botched abortion it should be allowed to DIE. Please read about this.
4. Remember although he talks about being for the poor and taking money from oil rich companies. He voted against the idea tax free gas for the summer which could have saved some money.
5. He was against drilling and later when he felt the heat he changed his stand. He is in a party of Nancy P who thinks that by not drilling for oil she is saving PLANET EARTH. When at the same time its okay to allow other countries to DRILL and her to use that OIL for flying in jets. EARTH IS OKAY AS LONG AMERICA IS NOT DRILLING.

Posted by: ASIAN INDIAN | August 14, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

If Obama wasn't such a wiener he could put an end to the witch's shenanigans.

The Wiener
And the Witch
The Wiener
And the Witch

To prove their lack of worth
They want to be ruler of the Earth
The Wiener, The Wiener
And the Witch Witch Witch Witch Witch

Posted by: The Lyin', The Witch, And the Warchest | August 14, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Bill will introduce Hillary as the VP nominee at te DNC..

Posted by: Hal Smith | August 14, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I hate to burst your bubble, but Obama won the popular vote, the delegate count, and is the Democratic nominee. Counting Obama as having zero votes in Michigan might put Hillary on top, but it ignores the 40% who voted to send undeclared delegates to the convention. Those were Obama votes, since his name wasn't on the ballot. It is tiresome to have to continue to fight off fuzzy math arguments from people who claim to be supporting Hillary Clinton, but are probably John McCain supporters just causing trouble on comment lines like this one.

Posted by: Chuck | August 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. I think her name should be placed in nomination. She should, rightfully, be on the ticket with Obama. This was a very, very close, historic primary and anything less than a joint ticket will lead to John McCain's victory in November. Face it, it is a fact of life!! The campaign went on too long, the Democratic Party is already divided, and this is the only way to mend the broken parts.

Posted by: Carolforhil | August 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

She lost, what is the problem, darn!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dawn | August 14, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

This is the beginning.

This is a gigantic setback for Obama and many media outlets which ran false stories saying (read: seeking to make happen) that Clinton would not be put into nomination.

Obama went heads-up with the Clinton wing of the party and lost. Again. Just as he did in the popular vote.

We said two months ago we weren't budging. The 'experts' said we were wrong.

Guess who won that contest?

PUMA

Posted by: Paul F. Villarreal | August 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I wonder when Hillary and Co will realize that they didnt win?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Nah Nope | August 14, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

more like a hysteric bid

Posted by: dick cabesa | August 14, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

What ever Lola wants, Lola gets. But will anything assuage her diehard supporters. I think not, not at least anything less than a coranation.

Posted by: nclwtk | August 14, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

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