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Democrats Attack McCain for his Association with Ralph Reed

Michael D. Shear
Democrats continued to pound Sen. John McCain for his association with former Christian Coalition director Ralph Reed, who last week lent his name to an upcoming fundraiser for the Republican nominee.

In a new internet ad entitled "Tainted," the Democrats allege that McCain is turning to a "crony" of disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, whose financial dealings with Reed were part of a scandal that rocked Capitol Hill.

"While most people now see Ralph Reed as a tainted man raising tainted money, John McCain sees him as a source of campaign cash," the ad says.

In a conference call Friday morning, Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman blasted McCain as a "desperate candidate" and said he was disappointed in McCain for "abandoning his principles" by accepting Reed's help.

"The John McCain who ran in 2000 would have a hard time voting for the John McCain we see today," Waxman said.

The Atlanta Journal Constitution reported last week that Reed had e-mailed Republicans to attend an Atlanta fundraiser for the RNC and McCain and had noted that he was a member of McCain's "Victory 2008" team.

Republicans noted that Reed has not contributed directly to McCain and is not listed as a host of the Atlanta fundraiser. In a statement, Reed called the attacks on him "absurd."

"I cooperated fully and completely with the Senate Indian Affairs Committee's investigation, and was never implicated in wrongdoing or accused of doing anything improper," Reed said. "I hold no official role or position in the McCain campaign and am not seeking one. I simply sent out an email containing pro forma language used by anyone asking others to support Senator McCain. The attacks by the Obama campaign are absurd."

On the stump, McCain often takes credit for helping to expose Abramoff, whose corrupt dealings led to the resignation of two members of Congress.

"That's why I took on Abramoff," McCain said recently on his plane, explaining his desire to reform Washington. "Because I said look, Abramoff was probably for some good projects. But the fact is that it corrupted the system. So it's the difference between the reformers and the go-along-to-get-along system."

But Democrats were eager to point out that it was Reed who was implicated with Abramoff in deals involving Indian casinos. And they note that as the top official at the Christian Coalition, he was intimately involved in the "culture of Washington" that McCain often criticizes.

"John McCain -- more of the same old politics," the ad says.

RNC Spokeswoman Katie Wright said in a statement that: "I find it laughable they would go this route, considering Senator McCain chaired the Senate Indian Affairs Committee that investigated Jack Abramoff. I suggest they take a closer look at Barack Obama's friends like convicted felon Tony Rezko or his National Co-Chairman Harry Reid, who
took nearly $68,000 from Abramoff."

By Washington Post Editors  |  August 15, 2008; 12:29 PM ET
Categories:  Barack Obama  
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Barack Obama's new ad is a good Ad. John McCain CANNOT afford to be "Jack Abramoff"ed! OsiSpeaks.com

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | August 20, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I read the Wikipedia profile too. He was at a bar one night and had a calling from God. He looked up churches in yellow pages and joined an evangical church the next day. He did not have a calling from God he had a calling to suck Big D**K.

Posted by: Definately Gay | August 18, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ralph Reed, Karl Rove..... I could go on and on but I am getting sick to my stomach thinking about it. These are people whose political careers are fraught with corruption and allegations, yet for some reason Republicans keep supporting them.... It just shows how corrupt the party is. Karl Rove is on all the news stations, not just Fox News. It blows my mind. I didnt know much about Mr. Reed, but just reading his Wikipedia profile shows that he is a crook, liar, hypocrite. In my opinion, he looks very gay. Probably a closeted Homosexual who cant seem to admit it and has turned to this life of hypocrosy over some sick feeling of guilt. He should just just own up to true self and stop being such an A**hole. God may forgive him then.

Posted by: Pathetic | August 18, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Ummm... have you heard of a company called Ameriquest? The company that is attributed to starting the whole mess. McCain has two of their top lobbyists on his campaign. Bush named the founder of Ameriquest Ambassador to the Netherlands while his company was under investigation by the Justice Department. They ended up paying a $375 million dollar fine. Mr. Ambassador should have been thrown in prison and his billions in assets should have been seized. McCain supports less regulation for mtg companies. Get your facts straight! It was the subprime lenders that started the mess. The legimate mortgage cos probably want Obama ellected because he is going to help us watch out for these crooks and not give them a pass. McCain = more corporate corruption.

The lawyers who wrote subprime mortgages, the financial institutions who lent them, and the real estate companies are some of the biggest contributors to Obama. So how do you explain that one?

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:10 PM

Posted by: Sick of it all | August 18, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Mindless Democrats have just opened the can of worms.. :) Associations. Just wait for new seriese of Adds and see what happens to their candidate this fall.. Its going to be fun. Below are just few samples

Obama uncle and mentor -> Radical Pastor Wright
Obama best friend -> convicted criminal Tony Rezko
Obama friend->Kilpatrick
Obama friend->Iraqie friend Auchi
Obama Mentors-> Weather underground Ayers and Bernadine
Obama Advisor-> Carter :)
Obama family friend -> Khalidi
.. and list goes on..

Posted by: jon | August 17, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

To: ArchieinAtlanta
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Its often the case with these extremists.

Posted by: Sal | August 15, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Sal, this clown (Cryos) is a legend in his own mind

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Sal the same person has been posting under different names (including using mine) because I busted out their shallow talking points and they got mad. So your argument of "posting once" is invalid. Sorry.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:27 PM

Posted by: ArchieinAtlanta | August 15, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

It's been fun all. It's amusing busting out people who don't have an adequate knowledge of politics, business or economics and then watching them flounder, deflect, change the subject, name call, try to make a similar charge against McCain, etc.

I don't even know if I'll vote for McCain as I don't like neocons so that's one of my favorite liberal defenses.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

We're immersed in a bloody civil war in Iraq with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving.
We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country (3 Trillion!!). Our country is bankrupt.
We have no allies and our international reputation is in shambles. We bribe small countries to join us in the war.
We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia, while companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs.
And still Republican trolls like you are still acting as if they've done a good job...and you're trying to pin McCain's economic advisor, Phil Gramm on Senator Obama...HAHAHA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISi7f7uZcI
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The lawyers who wrote subprime mortgages, the financial institutions who lent them, and the real estate companies are some of the biggest contributors to Obama. So how do you explain that one?

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:10 PM

Posted by: Don't feed the GOoPer troll | August 15, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

The lawyers who wrote subprime mortgages, the financial institutions who lent them, and the real estate companies are some of the biggest contributors to Obama. So how do you explain that one?

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:10 PM

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We're immersed in a bloody civil war in Iraq with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving.
We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country (3 Trillion!!). Our country is bankrupt.
We have no allies and our international reputation is in shambles. We bribe small countries to join us in the war.
We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia, while companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs...and your trying to scare people about Obama?Republicans are still campaining as if they've done a good job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISi7f7uZcI

Posted by: BoBo1981 | August 15, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Sal the same person has been posting under different names (including using mine) because I busted out their shallow talking points and they got mad. So your argument of "posting once" is invalid. Sorry.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting so one more post.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/politics/06bundlers.html

Here are some quotes from the article since I know you probably won't want to go there and read something that contradicts your thoughts. It sucks when reality gets in the way of ideals huh.

"An analysis of campaign finance records shows that about two-thirds of his bundlers are concentrated in four major industries: law, securities and investments, real estate and entertainment. Lawyers make up the largest group, numbering roughly 130, with many of them working for firms that also have lobbying arms. At least 100 Obama bundlers are top executives or brokers from investment businesses: nearly two dozen work for financial titans like Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs or Citigroup. About 40 others come from the real estate industry.

The biggest fund-raisers include people like Julius Genachowski, a former senior official at the Federal Communications Commission and a technology executive who is new to political fund-raising; Robert Wolf, president and chief operating officer of UBS Investment Bank; James A. Torrey, a New York hedge-fund investor; and Charles H. Rivkin, chief executive of an animation studio in Los Angeles."

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

The lawyers who wrote ...

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:50 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 6:09 PM


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Is that all you could come up with? LOL - you spam these forums all day long, and now you complain about a guy that posts once per forum?!

You clearly are a typical Republican extremist.

Posted by: Sal | August 15, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Nice try Wingnut troll boy, the person you're vainly trying to tie Senator Obama to is PHIL GRAMM, John McCain's economic advisor.

McCain campaign's co-chair, former Sen. Phil Gramm of Texas, says that America's economy isn't doing all that badly. In fact, he told The Washington Times: "We've never been more dominant; we've never had more natural advantages than we have today."

Phil Gramm makes a living heading up a Swiss bank, thus he's insulated from reality. He's as out of touch as John McCain. The facts don't register with these multi-millionaires, just as they didn't register with George W. Bush.

McCain, Gramm and Bush are the kind of guys who see "strong fundamentals," when most Americans see six months of job losses, declining wages, the highest foreclosure rates since the Great Depression, and skyrocketing fuel and food prices.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEUpAXE-6vM
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The lawyers who wrote subprime mortgages, the financial institutions who lent them, and the real estate companies are some of the biggest contributors to Obama. So how do you explain that one?

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:10 PM


Posted by: ace mcfunkenstein | August 15, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Actually the economy was fine until this year. In 2006 the democrats promised to lower gas prices. Hows that working out for ya?

The lawyers who wrote subprime mortgages, the financial institutions who lent them, and the real estate companies are some of the biggest contributors to Obama. So how do you explain that one?

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:10 PM

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No one working for a company that depends on the Economy working would vote for McCain. Of course they are supporting Obama - they want to still have something left in 4 years (other that a name and rank in the military).

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

ROFLMAO. I'm the extremist? I bet you won't find results on my posts since I actually write them myself. Here are copies of your posts on different sites. At least I can come up with my own responses. I am actually gone this time I just love egging on people that can't think for themselves and am killing time til a friend comes over.

"The Republican's ongoing war to wedge yet another massive corporate giveaway into the remaining months of Bush's abominable presidency"

www.dailykos.com

"Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November."

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.cuba/2008-07/msg00647.html


http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.cuba/2008-07/msg00647.html

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"Lol anonymous posting the pathetic copy and paste spam as my name. Wow you are really cool.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:00 PM

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Thanks! - Now I can check off "Extremist" from the list of people who love me!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 6:03 PM"

Sweet. Sorry I suppose you are just upset you got busted out on your empty liberal talking points and can't dispute any of the questions I asked like the following. Have a good weekend :)


Actually the economy was fine until this year. In 2006 the democrats promised to lower gas prices. Hows that working out for ya?

The lawyers who wrote subprime mortgages, the financial institutions who lent them, and the real estate companies are some of the biggest contributors to Obama. So how do you explain that one?

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The Republican's ongoing war to wedge yet another massive corporate giveaway into the remaining months of Bush's abominable presidency, is that faster extraction of our domestic oil supply -- even if it actually happened, which isn't at all clear -- isn't just an environmental consideration, but a serious energy and national security question.

Put simply: we know oil is peaking. Unless you're a nutcase like Jerome Corsi, who believes oil comes from underground Jesus factories or the like, everyone can agree that there's never going to be more of it. Prices are going to continue to fluctuate wildly based on world events and speculation, but it's always going to be trending up. And as the years go by, more and more oilfields are going to pass their peak production, then dwindle, then run dry, and prices are going to start skyrocketing to an extent that makes our current bubble look like child's play.

It's that time, a few decades from now, that things are going to get dicey, especially if we haven't weaned ourselves substantially from oil by then. It's that time that's got experts worried, from economists to the Pentagon, as the nations of the world fight (probably quite literally) for the last large supplies of the black stuff. Other countries are planning for it: Middle Eastern nations are going to great lengths to invest their current oil profits into diversifying their economies, creating business, shipping and tourist havens. America? In general, we're not doing squat. We're doing worse than squat, because the Republicans and the current administration are actively opposed to any energy policy that does not revolve around momentary profits for the large oil companies. It's the Grasshopper and the Ant, being played out on the floor of the House of Representatives.


As a matter of policy, however, I think we should be able to agree on a few key things. First: when the oil crunch comes, we want to be one of the last countries to run out of domestic supplies. We want to still have untapped oil in Alaska, California, the Gulf, etc. after the fields of Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq run dry. If we're going to go begging because of lack of planning, better to beg at our own doorstep than in the future hotspots of the world. And has been pointed out repeatedly, those domestic supplies aren't very large to begin with.

Second, the longer that oil sits underground, the more valuable it becomes. Forget $4.00 gasoline -- what about $10.00? $20.00? If we're really ever going to be forced to drill in pristine areas, it'd be better to do it when gasoline is $500 a barrel than $200. And we'll be able to extract much more stringent environmental protections from the companies, as well as better lease rates, etc. That oil is our piggy bank -- yours and mine. It doesn't belong to Exxon, or Chevron, or anyone else until and unless we hand it over, which is what the Republicans are bound and determined to do.

Our coastlines aren't just pretty to look at. They're also a vast Strategic Petroleum Reserve. We'd do ourselves well not to worsen our future oil deficit at the same time we've so badly mismanaged the rest of the nation's finances.


I thought you were going to pack up your sleeping bag and leave Rush's basement, what happened?

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The lawyers who wrote subprime mortgages, the financial institutions who lent them, and the real estate companies are some of the biggest contributors to Obama. So how do you explain that one?

Couldn't help putting up one more post with a couple more questions liberals can't answer.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:50 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Lol anonymous posting the pathetic copy and paste spam as my name. Wow you are really cool.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:00 PM

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Thanks! - Now I can check off "Extremist" from the list of people who love me!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Lol anonymous posting the pathetic copy and paste spam as my name. Wow you are really cool.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November. We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest.

The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role.

The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%.

Inflation is in double digits. Employment is falling.

The Republican economy in the 21st century has been unable to create net new jobs for Americans except for low wage domestic services such as waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and hospital orderlies.

Republican deregulation brought about fraud in mortgage lending and dangerous financial instruments which have collapsed the housing market, leaving a million or more homeowners facing foreclosure. The financial system is in disarray and might collapse from insolvency.

The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world.

The US can no longer finance its wars or its own government and relies on foreign loans to function day to day. To pay for its consumption, the US sells its existing assets--companies, real estate, toll roads, whatever it can offer--to foreigners.

Republicans have run roughshod over the US Constitution, Congress, the courts and civil liberties. Republicans have made it perfectly clear that they believe that our civil liberties make us unsafe--precisely the opposite view of our Founding Fathers. Yet, Republicans regard themselves as the Patriotic Party.

The Republicans have violated the Nuremberg prohibitions against war crimes, and they have violated the Geneva Conventions against torture and abuse of prisoners. Republican disregard for human rights ranks with that of history's great tyrants.

The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state, which they have no problem using against fellow citizens!

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for any of us!

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"HAHAHA! Yeah, if we only keep doing what we've been doing during the last seven years of the BushCo disaster everything will be GREAT....NOT!


For "progressives" your attitudes are about 50 years too late.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 5:39 PM

Posted by: Bush + Cheney = McCain | August 15, 2008 5:45 PM "

Actually the economy was fine until this year. In 2006 the democrats promised to lower gas prices. Hows that working out for ya?

The lawyers who wrote subprime mortgages, the financial institutions who lent them, and the real estate companies are some of the biggest contributors to Obama. So how do you explain that one?

Couldn't help putting up one more post with a couple more questions liberals can't answer.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA! Yeah, if we only keep doing what we've been doing during the last seven years of the BushCo disaster everything will be GREAT....NOT!


For "progressives" your attitudes are about 50 years too late.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 5:39 PM

Posted by: Bush + Cheney = McCain | August 15, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I'll leave this thread now to the people who just hate bush and blindly believe liberal eutopia. Ignorance must be bliss :)

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"This post is about the crooked thug Ralph Reed and how McCain is sucking up to him, what makes you think you're going to score points by shilling for big oil on here?

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the pump on the post below this one. Another issue is energy security so if there is a crisis such as a nuclear war in the middle east or other oil disruptions we have oil available domestically to prevent a disaster.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:14 PM

Posted by: ZappoDave | August 15, 2008 5:35 PM"

I'm not "shilling for big oil." People brought up big business and I am tired of the weak, baseless, pathetic argument that liberal politicians have turned their followers into sheep to put american companies out of business. Too bad most liberal supporters can't seem to calculate business in a global environment and are stuck thinking in 1950s mode of "corporations versus the people." For "progressives" your attitudes are about 50 years too late.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

This post is about the crooked thug Ralph Reed and how McCain is sucking up to him, what makes you think you're going to score points by shilling for big oil on here?

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the pump on the post below this one. Another issue is energy security so if there is a crisis such as a nuclear war in the middle east or other oil disruptions we have oil available domestically to prevent a disaster.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:14 PM

Posted by: ZappoDave | August 15, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

LMAO LAST POST SINCE LIBERAL TOOLS BLOGGING FROM THEIR PARENTS BASEMENTS HAVE RUINED THE THREAD. FACE IT YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE WEAK, YOU HAVE NO PROOF SO YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO SPAMMING USELESS INFORMATION TO DISTRACT THAT YOU LOST THE DEBATE.

HOPE YOU LIKE THE MSM, SIERRA CLUB AND GREENPEACE RUNNING YOUR LIFE TOOL.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Another GOP Oil-Drilling Myth Is Born!:

As you know, we've been posting here regularly about the GOP's frequent pushing of the myth that China is drilling for oil off American shores.

Well here's another outlandish oil-drilling line: If not for the Dems in Congress, gas would cost two bucks a gallon!

Here's what Republican Congresswoman Michele Bachmann of Minnesota had to say in an op-ed for National Review, promoting drilling in ANWR:

The fact of the matter is that Congress is standing in the way of $2-a-gallon gas. It is Speaker Pelosi and the House Democrats who are refusing to let commonsense energy legislation come to the floor.
That's right: Bachmann says that we can cut the price of gas from over four dollars down to two, a change of more than 50%, by just opening up some new drilling. What wonderful news!

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/another_oildrilling_myth_is_bo.php

Posted by: The Big Orange Satan | August 15, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

So anonymous this will be my last post to your garbage since you just keep changing your name and posting slant drilling posts. I'll post your two claims earlier that I debunked and you have not refuted since you can't. Instead you are trying to distract with Chinese slant drilling which I did say but that was not the point of me saying it.

""The United States and its coastal areas have just 3% - THREE PERCENT - of the world's oil reserves. That's nothing, especially when you consider that we import 25% of the WORLD'S exports."

BUSTED. OIL SHALE ALONE INVALIDATES THIS CLAIM.

http://ostseis.anl.gov/guide/oilshale/index.cfm


""This is particularly true for offshore drilling, which is incredibly expensive and difficult. So if the drilling ban is lifted, the oil companies usually WON'T drill even though they can.. because there is very little oil here in the US."

BUSTED. THERE ARE PROVEN OIL RESERVES IN FLORIDA AND OTHER AREAS OF COASTLINE.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The cruel offshore-drilling hoax, Part 1

The GOP and McCain/Bush keep insisting that an end to the federal moratorium on (some) offshore drilling is a major solution to America’s oil woes, even though Bush’s own energy analysts make clear it is not (see EIA bombshell: Offshore drilling “would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices″).

That Energy Information Administration analysis is, however, a couple of years old, so I called up the author today and asked if it was being updated. Turns out a new version will be published in a couple of days, but she explained to me that the “answers are not very different” — no significant impact for the duration of the analysis (through 2030) — for reasons I will discuss below. First, however, it wasn’t until I talked to her and looked closely at the original analysis — Impacts of Increased Access to Oil and Natural Gas Resources in the Lower 48 Federal Outer Continental Shelf — that I understood what a cruel hoax this whole issue is.

The oil companies already have access to some 34 billion barrels of offshore oil they haven’t even developed yet, but ending the federal moratorium on offshore drilling would probably add only another 8 billion barrels (assuming California still blocks drilling off its coast). Who thinks adding under 100,000 barrels a day in supply sometime after 2020 — some one-thousandth of total supply — would be more than the proverbial drop in the ocean? Remember the Saudis couldn’t stop prices from rising now by announcing that they will add 500,000 barrels of oil a day by the end of this year!

http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/10/the-cruel-offshore-drilling-hoax-part-1/

Posted by: ZappoDave | August 15, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"Offshore Drilling Claims Are a Political Hoax"

Given that Mr. McCain’s claim that opponents of offshore drilling are responsible for high gas prices is ridiculous... Yet Mr. McCain’s gambit seems nonetheless to be working: public support for ending restrictions on drilling has risen sharply, with roughly half of voters saying that increased offshore drilling would reduce gas prices within a year.

it's important to try to get better information to people so they won't be fooled by the onslaught of deceptive presentations of the facts from those trying to gain political advantage on this issue.

John Berry does a good job of explaining why offshore drilling won't make much difference for gas prices:

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/08/offshore-drilli.html

Posted by: astral99 | August 15, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"Regurgitating Wingnut talking points (you) is not exactly helping your cause....whatever the heck that is...

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Casey nice post. So can you provide any contradictory information or are you just going to name call and try to use political correctness because you can't refute the facts?

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:06 PM

Posted by: casey | August 15, 2008 5:10 PM
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You are still yet to provide any factual information, rational debate or a point other than saying I am wrong and providing 0 basis to back it up.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

GOPer Claims China Is On Verge Of Hijacking All The Oil Off Florida:

Okay, here's yet another twist on the false Republican claim that China is drilling for oil off American shores: Tom McClintock, the GOP nominee for the open seat of scandal-plagued Republican John Doolittle, has now asserted that China is on the verge of draining off all the oil in the Gulf!

"Meanwhile, the vast oil fields off the coast of Florida that American law prevents Americans from developing are now being drained by the Chinese government drilling in Cuban waters," McClintock wrote in a column for the Auburn Journal, pointed out to us by the campaign of his Dem opponent Charlie Brown.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/goper_claims_china_is_on_verge.php

Posted by: flesh | August 15, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"Ok so show an article that refutes there are oil reserves there not from a liberal talking point website? You said THERE WERE NOT OIL RESERVES WHEN THERE ARE.

Nice try to distract from the real topic which was whether there are oil reserves or not and focus on the slant drilling part of it. Guess what you are wrong and I called you out on the empty liberal talking point.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:10 PM"


Sorry to make you frantically google search to try to distract from the fact that you are wrong and your weak argument was called out. Changing your name each time makes you really cool too.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"Drilling would only add to Oil Company profits, not lower prices at the pump.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 5:02 PM"

I addressed one of the aspects of cost at the pump on the post below this one. Another issue is energy security so if there is a crisis such as a nuclear war in the middle east or other oil disruptions we have oil available domestically to prevent a disaster.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain Adviser Repeats False Claim That China Is Drilling For Oil Off The Coast Of Florida:

In recent days, several conservatives, in an attempt to push for expanded oil drilling, have parroted the talking point that China is drilling near Cuba, just off the coast of Florida. In reality, “China is not drilling in Cuba’s Gulf of Mexico waters, period,” as Jorge Piñon, an energy expert at the University of Miami, explained.

Nevertheless, as Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) calls for lifting a ban on offshore oil drilling, the McCain campaign continues to parrot the false line. On CNBC last night, McCain adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer stated:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/18/mccain-china-cuba/

Posted by: Nope | August 15, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Ok so show an article that refutes there are oil reserves there not from a liberal talking point website? You said THERE WERE NOT OIL RESERVES WHEN THERE ARE.

Nice try to distract from the real topic which was whether there are oil reserves or not and focus on the slant drilling part of it. Guess what you are wrong and I called you out on the empty liberal talking point.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Regurgitating Wingnut talking points (you) is not exactly helping your cause....whatever the heck that is...

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Casey nice post. So can you provide any contradictory information or are you just going to name call and try to use political correctness because you can't refute the facts?

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:06 PM

Posted by: casey | August 15, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"You're worse than the global warming deniers who go to the web-sites that are provided by big oil funded and paid off scientists and then re-post them word for word because you don't want your big oil pals to have any pollution restrictions."

I know the liberal followers are led to believe they can just spout "big oil" and that makes any argument moot but it does not to rational minded people. I could say you point to evidence from websites from environmental extremists because you want money from your bigwig rich Greenpeace and Sierra Club buddies but it is an empty argument just like yours. Please try to use facts and logic not just meaningless trendy things to say.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

China is not currently drilling off the shores of Cuba; in fact, it doesn’t even have a off shore drilling contract. What is does have is a permit to drill on Cuban land. “China is not drilling in Cuba’s Gulf of Mexico waters, period,” Jorge Piñon, an energy expert at the University of Miami’s Center for Hemispheric Policy, told the Miami Herald. In fact, it is not yet drilling on Cuban land, either.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/13/gop-lies-about-chinese-drilling-for-oil-off-cuba/

Posted by: McCain want's to start WW III | August 15, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Casey nice post. So can you provide any contradictory information or are you just going to name call and try to use political correctness because you can't refute the facts?

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

GOP claim about Chinese oil drilling off Cuba is untrue

WASHINGTON — As Congress has debated energy policy over the past several days, an unusual argument keeps surfacing in support of drilling off the U.S. coastline and in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

Why, ask some Republicans, should the United States be thwarted from drilling in its own territory when just 50 miles off the Florida coastline the Chinese government is drilling for oil under Cuban leases?

Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling anywhere off Cuba's shoreline. The China-Cuba connection is "akin to urban legend," said Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida who opposes drilling off the coast of his state but who backs exploration in ANWR.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40776.html

Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | August 15, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The Oil companies have access to plenty of Oil they arn't drilling now. Why add more to that list until they start to use what they have access to?

They won't drill until prices get higher. Then they make more money for what they drill.

Drilling would only add to Oil Company profits, not lower prices at the pump.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Another point NotCryos; real mature name by the way.

I could say you are a tool to liberal "wingnuts" and extremists like the Sierra Club but that is no more genuine than saying to GOP "wingnuts" and big oil.

Liberals say it is not supply and demand it is mostly speculation fueling the high gas prices. If the US opens up to drilling wouldn't that help lower the cost via speculation even if not from the bulk of oil recovered?

When Bush lifted the moratorium the price dropped $10 a barrel in the same day (there are a couple other world events that could have contributed to this)

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

YEAH! Go Putin, go Putin!

BaraKKK fully endorses the Russian invasion of Georgia . . .'cos after all, looking tanned for the convention is WAY more imprtant than actually saying or doing anything.

GOT MY TAN AWWWWNNN!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Obama = Putin | August 15, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

You're worse than the global warming deniers who go to the web-sites that are provided by big oil funded and paid off scientists and then re-post them word for word because you don't want your big oil pals to have any pollution restrictions.

I'm sure the oil companies will provide you with plenty of mis-infornation about ANWAR and off-shore drilling, it's how they make all their billions of dollars in profit.

They thing I can't believe is the lttle sycophant Wingnuts like you who regurgitate their BS talking points for them, what do you get out of it?

Are you a billionaire?...or even a millionaire?....No, you're just a mis-guided little Rethuglican who can't bear to face the fact that your party is going to get their arses handed to them this fall.

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even a moderate estimate of 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil from oil shale in the Green River Formation is three times greater than the proven oil reserves of Saudi Arabia."

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 4:48 PM

Posted by: casey | August 15, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Nice opinionated blog entry to back up your position. Yeah I guess mojoblog is the authorative source.

My point with this is there are proven oil reserves in several offshore areas and yes some will not be drilled but there is no doubt a lot will be. The Chinese slant drilling is questionable but the point is THERE IS OIL THERE.

So what is your retort to the 3% oil reserves in relation to shale oil?

FYI notice I can maintain rationality and don't have to resort to name calling and blogs to back up my statements.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The "Chinese are planning to drill off the coast of Florida" Wingnut talking point has already been debunked.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/06/8678_gop_claims_chin.html

So not only are you a moron and a RNC shill, you're also a liar.

Try again...

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Cuba has already surveyed areas near the US continental shelf and oil contracts are being worked on. The Chinese are considering slant drilling into the US outer continental shelf into the PROVEN OIL RESERVES there. So apparently we are "too smart" to drill meanwhile the Chinese will steal our oil out from under us.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 4:41 PM

Posted by: Not CRYos | August 15, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I can't find a better link at the moment but here is a link to information on shale oil. Of course all web sites must be taken with a grain of salt.

http://ostseis.anl.gov/guide/oilshale/index.cfm

Let me quote something in common with articles about oil shale although it is "an inconvenient truth" to the 3% figure.

"Estimates of the oil resource in place within the Green River Formation range from 1.2 to 1.8 trillion barrels. Not all resources in place are recoverable; however, even a moderate estimate of 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil from oil shale in the Green River Formation is three times greater than the proven oil reserves of Saudi Arabia."

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Really?!?! Have you personally been out there in the ocean on your rowboat checking out and testing the waters for the Texas Tea Pot O' Gold that's supposedly going to save us?....or are you just regurgitating word for word what the RNC and their Big Oil pals are telling you?
I think it's the later.

You're a moron...

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The areas where the drilling ban is lifted are very likely to have oil so the companies will drill there. The funny thing you probably don't realize is you just gave a perfect justification for a different liberal empty talking point; "use the unused leases the oil companies have now." The reason above is exactly why they haven't drilled on a lot of these leases and it makes sense to drill in places like ANWAR and offshore where there is proven oil.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 4:20 PM

Posted by: Not CRYos | August 15, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Really?!?! Have you personally been out there in the ocean on your rowboat checking out and testing the waters for the Texas Tea Pot O' Gold that's supposedly going to save us?....or are just regurgitating word for word what the RNC and their Big Oil pals are telling you?
I think it's the later.

You're a moron..."

Wow nice defense. Well let me post one example. Cuba has already surveyed areas near the US continental shelf and oil contracts are being worked on. The Chinese are considering slant drilling into the US outer continental shelf into the PROVEN OIL RESERVES there. So apparently we are "too smart" to drill meanwhile the Chinese will steal our oil out from under us.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The areas where the drilling ban is lifted are very likely to have oil so the companies will drill there. The funny thing you probably don't realize is you just gave a perfect justification for a different liberal empty talking point; "use the unused leases the oil companies have now." The reason above is exactly why they haven't drilled on a lot of these leases and it makes sense to drill in places like ANWAR and offshore where there is proven oil.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 4:20 PM

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Really?!?! Have you personally been out there in the ocean on your rowboat checking out and testing the waters for the Texas Tea Pot O' Gold that's supposedly going to save us?....or are just regurgitating word for word what the RNC and their Big Oil pals are telling you?
I think it's the later.

You're a moron...

Posted by: Not Cryos | August 15, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"The United States and its coastal areas have just 3% - THREE PERCENT - of the world's oil reserves. That's nothing, especially when you consider that we import 25% of the WORLD'S exports."

Oh please this is a classic smokescreen speaking of smokescreens. The 3% is based off of 30 year old numbers that do not include updated seismology or things like shale oil of which there are HUGE reserves. If you're going to copy a bad argument at least do your own research and don't repeat the same garbage as the radio ads running right now.

"This is particularly true for offshore drilling, which is incredibly expensive and difficult. So if the drilling ban is lifted, the oil companies usually WON'T drill even though they can.. because there is very little oil here in the US."

The areas where the drilling ban is lifted are very likely to have oil so the companies will drill there. The funny thing you probably don't realize is you just gave a perfect justification for a different liberal empty talking point; "use the unused leases the oil companies have now." The reason above is exactly why they haven't drilled on a lot of these leases and it makes sense to drill in places like ANWAR and offshore where there is proven oil.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain and the Wingnuts (you) drilling proposal is a joke...on Americans.

The United States and its coastal areas have just 3% - THREE PERCENT - of the world's oil reserves. That's nothing, especially when you consider that we import 25% of the WORLD'S exports.

Oil companies don't drill unless a seismic survey shows it's pretty likely there's something there. This is particularly true for offshore drilling, which is incredibly expensive and difficult. So if the drilling ban is lifted, the oil companies usually WON'T drill even though they can.. because there is very little oil here in the US.

This drilling issue is a REPUBLICAN SMOKESCREEN that they're using as an excuse to take advantage of the American energy crisis. They are about to ruin our chance to get a renewable electricity generation system in place, which would be a disaster. So LET EM DRILL! They won't do it anyway (e.g. the 68 million acres of leases they refuse to drill on now).

In 10 years when the the GOPers have no excuse left on oil and oil prices, they will be forced to change or they will become 4th Party gadflies.

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Republicans are calling for a comprehensive energy package including shorter term transitional energy such as oil, natural gas, coal and nuclear as well as long term solutions such as solar, wind, conservation and alternative energy.However liberals appear to be slaves to the special interest environmental extremists so refuse to look at realistic short term low cost energy solutions and leave us exposed to $4-10 gasoline. You only need to look at things like cost per kilowatt hour and constistency of output for the different energies to realize that the liberals plan will not lower energy costs. Please do yourself a favor and do some basic research and don't shut down your mind to believe the "big oil conspiracy."

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 2:43 PM


Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | August 15, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Yay there is Anonymous with the same old boring copy and paste partisan lies that get spammed in almost every political blog.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November. We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest.

The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role.

The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%.

Inflation is in double digits. Employment is falling.

The Republican economy in the 21st century has been unable to create net new jobs for Americans except for low wage domestic services such as waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and hospital orderlies.

Republican deregulation brought about fraud in mortgage lending and dangerous financial instruments which have collapsed the housing market, leaving a million or more homeowners facing foreclosure. The financial system is in disarray and might collapse from insolvency.

The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world.

The US can no longer finance its wars or its own government and relies on foreign loans to function day to day. To pay for its consumption, the US sells its existing assets--companies, real estate, toll roads, whatever it can offer--to foreigners.

Republicans have run roughshod over the US Constitution, Congress, the courts and civil liberties. Republicans have made it perfectly clear that they believe that our civil liberties make us unsafe--precisely the opposite view of our Founding Fathers. Yet, Republicans regard themselves as the Patriotic Party.

The Republicans have violated the Nuremberg prohibitions against war crimes, and they have violated the Geneva Conventions against torture and abuse of prisoners. Republican disregard for human rights ranks with that of history's great tyrants.

The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state, which they have no problem using against fellow citizens!

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for any of us!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Its fun to say Obama. Go ahead try it. Now try saying McCain.... Not nearly as fun is it?

I say vote for the candidate that brings joy and fun into your life.

Posted by: Bernie J | August 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"If politicians are not the answer to our challenges, neither Obama nor McCain is the answer.

Posted by: teejay | August 15, 2008 2:52 PM"

Agreed. Neo-cons and neo-libs have taken over both parties. We have 2 bad options to choose from. It's do you want a socialist or do you want a neo-con. Pretty sad.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Cryos, please keep sending your kids to private religious schools so they don't influence my smart, enlightened and very educated public schools kids."

Lol actually I'm agnostic nice try though. So because I believe in actually expressing free thought you are afraid of my kids being around yours?

Sorry I guess you want your kids to turn out to be intelligent robots; you fit the liberal motif well. Hopefully apparently despite your efforts your kids have gained street smarts and don't fall prey to the liberal idealist eutopia religion. Two can play the game at making assumptions.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I have never been so diaspointed until i noticed the gullibility of most people in this country. Both Obama and McCain are politicians, i see no difference. The most ridiculous though are those who think the streets of America will turn gold once Obama is elected......lol. What is the poverty level of IL state? Was Obama not a state senator there? What is the crime rate in IL state? Was Obama not a senator there? I mean, how do people think???!!!! This is not more than a game of ping-pong or soccer. If politicians are not the answer to our challenges, neither Obama nor McCain is the answer.

Posted by: teejay | August 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cryos, please keep sending your kids to private religious schools so they don't influence my smart, enlightened and very educated public schools kids. I have one public school kid getting a Harvard MBA, another PS kid enroute to med school at Stanford and I have no doubt my younger PS kids will do equally as well.
I hope the rest of you voters are not afraid of the Ralph Reed bogeyman

Posted by: Tom in Alabama | August 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"Many of McCain's top advisers have lobbied for big oil, which is why he now acts in their best interests, opposing environmental legislation and alternative energy plans."

It so sad that liberal politicians have mobilized supporters to try to bury american companies so we can buy everything from foreign competitors.

FYI Exxon is only the 17th largest oil company in the world and foreign nationalized oil companies sit on 94% of oil reserves. So if we take away Exxon's profits how are they supposed to compete? All the naive supporters of hamstringing american businesses need to look at things like profit margins and not fall prey to the simplistic "record profits" argument.

Republicans are calling for a comprehensive energy package including shorter term transitional energy such as oil, natural gas, coal and nuclear as well as long term solutions such as solar, wind, conservation and alternative energy.

However liberals appear to be slaves to the special interest environmental extremists so refuse to look at realistic short term low cost energy solutions and leave us exposed to $4-10 gasoline. You only need to look at things like cost per kilowatt hour and constistency of output for the different energies to realize that the liberals plan will not lower energy costs. Please do yourself a favor and do some basic research and don't shut down your mind to believe the "big oil conspiracy."

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

What's new! Once corruption, lies, deception becomes part of an organization, then it becomes part of that's organization culture. It will take a strong Republican leader to change the "Republican Culture of Corruption". Good Luck! By the way, what was karl Rove doing in the Republic of Georgia on July 08???

Posted by: Vic | August 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Ralph Reed as the epitomy of the sanctimonious, self-righteous snake oil salesman who is willing to cheat his own grandmother for political & financial gain. There is absolutely nothing holy nor religious about this guy. McCain's proves that his moral compass is no different than that of Geroge W. Bush when he joins forces with Ralph Reed.

Posted by: Tom in Alabama | August 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The Center for Responsive Politics finds that McCain has accepted over $1 million from the oil and gas industry. Many of McCain's top advisers have lobbied for big oil, which is why he now acts in their best interests, opposing environmental legislation and alternative energy plans.
That's the REAL McCain.
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http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/42047-the-real-mccain-big-oil-fuels-the-straight-talk-express
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Posted by: Vickie Iseman | August 15, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, and yet he said "I'm the only one the special interests don't give any money to."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gEROVh8zK4

Posted by: orangesatan | August 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The future in energy is alternatives they say, but that's not Exxon John McCain's way... Exxon John, when it comes to Big Oil, more of the same while the rest of us toil... Exxon John McCain."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtXOBH6U89Y

Posted by: Exxon John | August 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"The one thing they can't buy is your vote."

Yeah you're right it's Obama that is busy trying to buy people's votes with his "I'll tax big oil and give you $1000 dollars." It appears he is getting more and more desperate as he can't gain a significant lead because more people are analytical, rational and intelligent than was thought and are seeing through his sham of a campaign.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Don't liberals claim to be the party of independant thought and intellectuals?

Why is it that the majority of liberals are incapable of thinking outside the box, use the exact same attacks and even wording, and 100% believe in and puppet the liberal leaderships ideals?

I bet classic liberals who were open minded, tolerant, rational, and able to judge complex issues are as disgusted with the major of the party's neo-libs as a lot of conservatives are with neo-cons. It's sad the sheep that a lot of both parties have turned into.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Reed exemplifies today's Republican politicians - hypocritical, self-righteous, and corrupt. So, it's no surprise that McCain's campaign would welcome him with open arms. Face it,Republicans don't care about working people. They care about corporate executives and other rich folks. The one thing they can't buy is your vote. But for several elections, working people have given away their votes on the basis of Republican manipulation and fear. If you do it again,you deserve what you get.

Posted by: rob15 | August 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Ralph Reed? Are you kidding me?!?!

Is there no one that McCain hangs out with that isn't a corrupt crook?


Phil Gramm, McCain, Bush & Cheney brokered the deregulation of mortgage industry and yes, the Republican Controlled Congresss at that time went along with it. They got $980,000. in lobbyist fees from Swiss Owned Bank USB. Gramm was a Executive for USB while his wife was on the board of directors both making millions. Is it not a conflict of interest and illegal to be involved in this and be a Senator at the same time? Of course, with the Bush Admin. Cronnies when is anything LEGAL?

Here's some "straight-talk"...my friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHsuL6FfY4

Posted by: Charles Keating | August 15, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

America desperately needs Obama, but is Americas smart enough to realize this?

Unfortunately America is too easily swayed by any 'distraction' that might come along. McShame realizes this and will try to use it to his advantage.

Just look at that disgusting homophobic pastor of the Westboro Baptist Church. One minute America (rightfully) despises him, the next minute he wins a bunch of medals for America at the Olympics and he is now considered a hero?!?!?!?

Be on the look out for similar dirty tricks from McSame.

Posted by: St Jimmy | August 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Johnnie McSame is just another lying D-Bag republican't.
Please go home. Stop wasting your wife's money.
Loser

Posted by: Another Fundraiser | August 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

This is McCain's last bite of the pie, no matter what happens. His political career ends as President, or it ends as Presidential loser.

At his age, and after all those years in the Senate, there is simply nothing left for him to do in politics. So he's going to go out with guns blazing: negative campaigning, telling lies, allowing Rove to dictate his strategy, kissing up to the corrupt BushCo cronies (Ralph Reed etc) in order to be let into the money circle, letting criminals run his fund-raising, etc.

Why does this surprise anyone? If he wins the Presidency, his career ends with the ONE Presidential term, and if he doesn't, his career ends with the Senate term. It really is that simple: he has no reason to save his character, or reputation, any longer. When this is all over, he'll be just another forgotten senile old man...or he'll be a former President.

Posted by: Bu$h Whacked | August 15, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I didn't vote for Bush in 2004 and I'm not even sure if I'll vote for McCain since he is largely another neo-con. I just find it amusing how liberals have surpassed religious conservatives in ignorant faith based politics.

By the way the country was fine until this year. In 2006 democrats said as part of the reason for voting them in they would lower gas prices. How is that working out for ya?

It's interesting how law firms writing subprime mortgage contracts, the executives of the involved financial institutions and real estate executives are some of Obama's biggest contributors. How do you explain that one?

Bush is no more at fault for the economy than the horrible liberals like Pelosi and Reid who are putting a stranglehold on US energy production in the name of "saving the world."

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

McCain, having spent 103 years in Washington, has more skeletons in his closet than Obama. And he's a rich cranky phony, as well.


this is funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEmPZoRVRII


Posted by: jds | August 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I love how liberals act like republicans are the scare tactic party because they use it primarily with national security.

"Same as Bush" "100 years of war" "senior moments and anger" "warmonger" "will send your children to war" "children without healthcare" etc etc etc. Who is the party of scare tactics?

Global warming hysteria is the biggest scare tactic of all to add to the icing on the liberal scare tactic cake. And global warming supporters have resorted to non-scientific defenses since the science and as a result data not meeting the predictions is becoming harder and harder to defend.

Unfortunately they are indoctrinating children in school to propoganda like "An Inconvenient Truth" teaching kids to look at a complex issue like climate with a simple mind and not question the science.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

America has no distinct criminal class...except for the Republican Party.

I can't wait until John McBush spends the night at Grover Norquist's place and staggers out the next morning with messed up hair and smeared lipstick.

Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | August 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure that's what you said 4 years ago Cryos....look how that worked out..

Posted by: glen | August 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

So they found BigFoot, Guess which candidate he is supporting. I always figured him for a libertarian?? http://www.myhauntsite.com

Posted by: Peter | August 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to see that McCain and the Rethugs are running their typical "anything to win, be it character assassination, acceptance of Rove's hirelings as campaign strategists, lobbyists running his campaign, and kissing the ring of lobbyists and crooks" campaign.


"Reed, whose [GA Lt. Gov.] campaign was torpedoed by his affiliation with disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, noted he's also agreed to serve as a member of the McCain Victory 2008 Team, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/12/mccains_reed_fundraiser_takes.html


That's the John McCain of 2008, nutty Wingnut through and through. And since he's running a third Bush campaign, there's no reason to think his term in office won't be a third Bush term, except that McCain is far more undisciplined than Bush. But, as he reminds us every day, he loves hanging out with the same people Bush did, especially if it will get him elected.

Posted by: astral99 | August 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

To add to my previous post liberal politicians jumped the gun 4 years early on Obama. Obama himself said he wouldn't run in 2008 because he wouldn't have enough experience so I love when his supporters try saying he is experienced enough.

Maybe in 4 years people would have been brainwashed and mentally oppressed enough by the MSM and PC to have the race card and other tactics work but instead the opposite is happening and people are getting their self respect back.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"McCain is the same as Bush." Mindless rhetoric like this will only make sensible people realize that democrats will deceive and lie to try to get their way. Wow McCain voted the same way as Bush on a lot of things since they are in the same party. Democrats are pretty much lock step in voting even more so than republicans so this attack is pretty pointless.

If democratic leadership decided to nominate a moderate democrat they would win hands down due to the political climate. But like 2004 the far left ideals are apparently more important to the leadership. They thought they could use Obama's race and speechwriters to fool people into thinking he is about "unity, bipartisanship, etc" but people only have to look at his voting record and adhoc statements to realize that is not true.


Democrats will lose this year because their leadership is incompetent and full of radicals being obstructionist to appease their fundraising environmental extremists.

Posted by: Cryos | August 15, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Are there any honest people on McCain's team?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

You cant be a puppet until you are elected and who knows what will happen. back in the day they made Teddy Roosevelt VP so he wouldnt attack big business like he did when he was Gov. of NY, how did that one turn out for them?

Posted by: Tony | August 15, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

John McCain who keeps his head down reading his sppech like school students, looks only others' short comings and keep doing the same things. He is the person of those who are in Washington for long long time doing nothing.

Posted by: Ananymous | August 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama has connections with his minister, an English professor and a business man trying to by his patronage?? Burn him at the stake!

Posted by: Bob | August 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Now can McCain and company finally bury Senator Barack Obama with his Wright, Ayers and Rezko connections...I know they want to wait, but I am ready to get this nonsense over with.

Posted by: Tony | August 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

There is no surprise on McCain being Bush's clon: The same people run his campaign, the same people finance his campaign, the same people support his campaign. Whom do you think he is going to serve? Oh yeah...the "American people."

Posted by: carl29 | August 15, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

John Mccain is a puppet that is clear, it is just a matter who is holding the strings.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

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