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In N.M., McCain Again Slams "Testy" Obama on the War

By Perry Bacon Jr.
LAS CRUCES, N.M. -- Marking a third day of renewed campaign debate over who is right about Iraq, John McCain cast Barack Obama as "testy" in the face of McCain's attacks. McCain continued to blast the senator from Illinois for suggesting last year that increasing U.S. troops in Iraq under the "surge" would not improve the situation there.

"Yesterday Senator Obama got a little testy on this issue," McCain told a crowd of several hundred at a town hall at New Mexico State University. "He said that I'm questioning his patriotism. Let me be very clear: I am not questioning his patriotism -- I am questioning his judgment. I am questioning his judgment. Senator Obama has made it clear that he values withdrawal from Iraq above victory in Iraq, even today with victory in sight.... He has made these decisions not because he doesn't love America, but because he doesn't think it matters whether American wins or loses."

Appearing Monday at the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention, McCain said behind Obama's position on Iraq "lies the ambition to be president." The next day, Obama forcefully disputed the notion his Iraq positions were based on politics, and McCain did not repeat that precise language today.

But this remark, before he took a series of questions, did portray Obama as a representative of politics as usual, a day after the Illinois senator had made a similar argument against McCain on Tuesday.

"The bottom line is that Senator Obama's words, for all of their eloquence and passion, doesn't mean all that much, and that's the problem with Washington," McCain said. "It's not just the Bush administration and it's not just the Democratic Congress, it's that everybody in Washington says whatever it takes to get elected or to score the political point of the day.... We don't need another politician in Washington who puts self-interest and political expediency ahead of problem-solving, we need to start putting our country first."

While voters have said the economy is their biggest concern, the debate over the candidates' judgment on foreign policy issues increasingly dominates the campaign. Obama cites his initial opposition to the war and his long call for more troops in Afghanistan, McCain his advocacy of more troops in Iraq and his frequent visits there.

"He announced his policy towards Iraq the day before he left for the first time in more than 900 days to visit Iraq and then refuses to acknowledge the surge is succeeding," McCain said of Obama here.

Obama in fact has acknowledged reduced violence levels in Iraq over the last year, but has repeatedly said it is time for combat troops to return home over the next two years. McCain says such a timeline is unwise.

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If the delusional Bush Supporters are stupid enough to support John McCain then they will deserve another 4 years of what they get and that will be the same lies coming out of John McCain's mouth as what has come out of the Crawford Village Idiot's mouth President George Walker Bush. Yes the American National Debt will be over 10 Trillion Dollars when the Crawford Village Idiot is done and in eight years it has gone up 4.4 Trillion from 5.6 Trillion.

Yes the Republicans screw America everytime they get into power when Ronald Reagan left he increased the National Debt by 2.6 Trillion and Bush Senior raised it by over 4 Trillion. You delusional Republicans can keep voting for these morons and eventually the United States will be a third world nation.

Posted by: morriso | August 23, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain has what it takes to lead this country and he has my entire families vote.
Obama says nothing of substance and does not have the experience, knowledge or backbone to guide this country. A vote for Obama is a vote for disaster. Would you like to speculate on why our non-friendly countries are supporting Obama over McCain?

Posted by: jcvette | August 21, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

John McCain wants to be President so bad he will lie to get there.

Posted by: TooOldtobeBamboozled | August 21, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I see that most of the comments are slated towards the liberal side. Is there someone else out there to vote for besides a weak democrate and a senile republican?

Posted by: Phil Riney | August 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

By his bellicose tone, his frequent references to enemies in many parts of the world, and his choice of advisers and political associates, McCain shows that he welcomes more wars in defense of his economic elite ($5,000,000 and up).

Posted by: Old white vet | August 21, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"with victory in sight...."

How can McCain square his "victory in sight" with the years ahead he forsees in Iraq?

If he truly thinks this misbegotten war nears its end, why doesn't he support Obama's prospect of a careful, deliberate withdrawal of our troops?

If instead he remains committed to a long war ahead, why won't he level with Americans about the necessity of a re-instated draft?

Posted by: Old white vet | August 21, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Look, testy is what the minorities are going to be in this country 20 years from now when they are in the majority and they find out all the deep, dark sh*t that the Republicans have done to them.

It is in our best interest to get our house in order. Maybe you people have been led down the primrose path and think that with a white wink and smile everything will be ok forever but just as sure as seasons change the US is changing. And the people we've screwed are going to screw us unless we stop screwing them soon.

Let Obama be President. Let the young black children grow up in a new world of hope. If we stick to the old world karma will kick our butts sooner or later. The world is round. And what goes around comes around.

America should have done the right thing in the 60s. We failed the character test. WE have a chance now to make the wrongs right. Don't f*ck it up, people.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 21, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

In my opinion Senator John McCain represents what has been wrong within these United States. He is a race bating bigoted old Klansman who does not deserve to serve as our next Commander in Chief. McCain is near brain dead when he suggests that we have secured Iraq. I thought that the goal was to win the so-called war on terror. Whatever happened to Bin Laden? We should let the Senator go on out to pasture. He will endanger the entire nation with his John Wayne type antics. What foreign policy experience does the Senator possess? None! He is full of wind!
We had a bullying fear monger for the last eight years. Enough already!

Posted by: klwarenceyoung.assocates | August 21, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

What about McCain agreeing with a questioner about reinstating the draft?

Posted by: Old Cowhand | August 21, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

The Obama supporters are equally getting testy and nasty as well. That can only mean they are worried. Barack Obama has said that if he had been required to vote as a US senator he can't be sure how he would have voted. So he could easily vote against the war as a state senator because nothing was really on the line. As a US senator, he may have been inclined to follow the others and vote to support the war. It should also be said that shortly after the war when it seemed like it was going to be a short one, he admitted his vote may very well have been wrong. Gosh this guy really wants to have it both ways. When the war proved much more difficult, he floated back to the other position which was against the war. It is o.k. to feel the war was a poor choice. I have absolutely no problem with that position as long as it doesn't undermine the troops that are already there. The liberal left forgets that talk in Washington now is heard around the world and can easily influence the outcome of conflict. The problem Barack has about the war is that NO solution except getting out and moving over to Afghanistan is acceptable. It wouldn't matter if the entire country of Iraq told him personally they are all on the same page now and want the US to stay until they are able to do the job themselves. So no surge, no talk, no political environment will make any difference to Barack that is forced to hold the position that we must get out NOW. This is what McCain has been bashing Obama about. He is putting party agenda first before the interest of this country which is to have a reasonable outcome which is a much better solution than leaving too early and seeing the country fall apart again. BTW, I supported this war ONLY because Bill Clinton and Colin Powell convinced me that SH needed to be removed. Remember this when Colin Powell endorses Barack that it was his words that made many Americans support this ill conceived war and now Colin Powell and Bill Clinton want us to trust their judgment with an unproven candidate that would rather run than finish up the job. NO THANKS.

Posted by: Susan | August 20, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

And why are you "conservatives" taking handouts from my state?

Can't you take personal responsibility and not complain about my San Francisco/Hollywood tax dollars that feed your abandoned children and pay for your stop signs?


Posted by: anthony | August 20, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Pentagon Backs Obama Again with More Troops for Afghanistan

The supposed foreign poicy "expert", McCain, is either a mental midget or he is getting senile:
The announcement today that the United States will deploy up to 15,000 more troops to Afghanistan is just the latest signal of the Pentagon's seeming support for Barack Obama's strategy to fight Al Qaeda in the region. Following by just weeks Obama's latest call to send at least two more brigades of American troops there, the request by U.S. commanders again confirmed Obama's assertion, one denied by John McCain, that Iraq represents a "zero sum game" for scarce American military resources.

That request by General David McKiernan, the commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, comes on the heels of Joint Chiefs Chairman Michael Mullen's agreement with Senator Obama that the situation along the Pakistan frontier is "precarious and urgent." The need is urgent indeed: in July, 9 American troops were killed in an insurgent raid that overran a U.S. border outpost; yesterday, 10 French soldiers were killed in a Taliban attack. In response, General McKiernan hopes to bolster the 101st Airborne Division with up to three brigades.

But as U.S. News reported this morning, the challenge for McKiernan and his staff is finding the needed troops. While their ask has been approved, a defense official noted, "Now that means we just need to figure out a way to get them there." As McKiernan himself made clear, the only "way" is to get the troops from Iraq:

Finding those particular troops to supplement the 101st, however, depends on conditions and troop levels in Iraq, adds McKiernan, who took over the NATO command in June. "That's really a zero-sum decision."

In early July, Admiral Mullen admitted as much. On the very day that 2,200 U.S Marines learned their tours in Afghanistan will be extended by 30 days, Mullen told reporters that the United States could only deploy more forces there by first drawing down from Iraq:

"I don't have troops I can reach for, brigades I can reach, to send into Afghanistan until I have a reduced requirement in Iraq. Afghanistan has been and remains an economy-of-force campaign, which by definition means we need more forces there."

And on that point, Barack Obama and John McCain part company. From almost the inception of his campaign, Obama has argued that the diversion of U.S. military assets from Afghanistan to Iraq meant that "the people who were responsible for murdering 3,000 Americans on 9/11 have not been brought to justice." In a June speech, Obama highlighted McCain's denial of this inescapable point:

"We had al Qaeda and the Taliban on the run back in 2002. But then we diverted military, intelligence, financial, and diplomatic resources to Iraq. And yet Senator McCain has said as recently as this April that, 'Afghanistan is not in trouble because of our diversion to Iraq.' I think that just shows a dangerous misjudgment of the facts, and a stubborn determination to ignore the need to finish the fight in Afghanistan."

McCain's denial - and disagreement with the Pentagon - over the trade-offs in sending more U.S. forces to the Afghan-Pakistan frontier doesn't end there. While McCain reversed course and mimicked Obama's call for more troops in Afghanistan, he fudged as to whether they should come from the United States or its NATO allies. Cornered on the question of where he intends to come up with the needed reinforcements, McCain feebly responded:

"We need to work that out. We need to have greater participation on the part of our NATO allies, as I said in my opening remarks today, and we need a lot more help."

Still, McCain's confused and contradictory statements didn't stop him from calling for "surge for Afghanistan" on July 15. (As Steve Benen rightly noted, a "surge" is now John McCain's prescription for all ills, foreign and domestic.) But as General McKiernan reiterated today, the United States doesn't need a surge in the fight against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, but a long-term commitment:

He disputes the notion that the three brigades on the way represent a troop "surge" for Afghanistan, predicting the need for an extended involvement of a larger force. "I've certainly said that we need more security capabilities," he says. "But I would not use the term 'surge,' because I think we need a sustained presence."

At every turn, the Pentagon has backed Barack Obama's approach to defeating Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border regions. While John McCain in February ridiculed Barack Obama's call for unilateral American strikes against Al Qaeda targets within Pakistan, the Bush administration and the Pentagon soon adopted Obama's thinking. (Just today, an apparent U.S. missile strike killed 18 militants in South Waziristan.)

Earlier this week, the Center for American Progress and Foreign Policy released their annual "Terrorism Index." Their survey of 100 bipartisan foreign policy analysts found that 51% believe Pakistan will be the next Al Qaeda stronghold; exactly zero said "Iraq." 80% said the U.S. had not dedicated enough resources to Afghanistan, while 69% called for redeploying the majority of American troops from Iraq over the next 18 months.

All of which sounds like it could have come from Barack Obama. Or, as was made clear again today, from the Pentagon.

Posted by: We must defeat the Neocon warmongers (Bush, Cheney, McCain) | August 20, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain of 2000 would NOT vote for the McCain of 2008.

McCain is still unable to understand the changed geopolitical realities of 2008. Constantly refers to Czechoslovakia, Iran/Pakistan borders etc. Is he ready for the Oval office??

McCain: Lobbyist's first-Country last.
Georgia buys US Senator for 800,000$. McCain's advisor chief lobbyist for Georgia.

McCain lies about his environment record. He has NEVER supported any measure to increase contributions by Wind, Solar and other unconventional energy sources.

McCain - Chief Senator in Absense. He misses more votes than he attends.
McCain - voted 95% with Bush in 2007 and 100% with Bush in 2008 (when he bothers to show up to vote)

Posted by: McCain = Bush | August 20, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

"Dear Cal, just to refresh your memory, the democRATS have been invested in the defeat of our US soldiers in Iraq for years now.
You think they would have learned their lesson from Vietnam, but it's all about power, even if it comes at the defeat of our G.I.'s." are completely one has ever invested in the defeat of the troops...most people never supported them leaving home in the first place...WAR WAS NEVER DECLARED...oh wait...didn't the same thing happen in VIETNAM??? Oh...yes it did!!! So, technically IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, and VIETNAM ARE NOT WARS...THEY ARE GOVERNMENT POLICE ACTIONS THAT WERE NEVER SUPPORTED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! 1

Posted by: Random Guy | August 20, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

In 2002, we had people who called Democrats and others "traitors" for speaking out against the Iraq war because it was the wrong policy based upon thin evidence. Obama was right in saying that we shouldn't go to war with Iraq based on that thin evidence.

McCain chose not to question the evidence. He chose to ignore it, and now we've paid the price of his ignorance with 4,000 dead and $568 billion of our money lost in that quagmire.

Posted by: ok go | August 20, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Show me where republicans SCREWED UP AMERICA? I mean come on.... disagree with them that they spent way too much...but I can't fathom how bad it would be it Kerry or Gore had won.

And...since when are businesses that employ people the enemy? Ummm..what if we just send them all packing and see what happens? You think it's horrible that a CEO makes big bucks but George Clooney and Al Gore can make all they want? Give me a break. I say...good for George Clooney and Al Gore...and Good for the CEOs making the bug bucks. I support what happened at Enron? Heck no...I'm surprised none of them were shot. It was Texas...and stealing is stealing - whether done by a liberal taxing me to give to someone else or by a big time capitalist raiding a pension fund. Both need taken care of (and not with a stint at the country club with an ankle bracelet).

Posted by: MakeUsProud | August 20, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

If you lived in another country...why move here -especially if others are so great?

And...I am all in favor of infrastructure. I am not in favor of government controlling my life. Good for you...I can tell you want nanny state government to GIVE YOU something that you don't want to earn.

Regarding the Constitution, would you like me to post it here? You can get you pocket copy from the Heritage Foundation if you like. I do understand it...and it doesn't say anything about social security, healthcare, etc. Now, you can convince me that a safety net needs to exist...but could I do better with the 13+% of social security the government takes from me? Dang straight I could.

Why can't you understand that I (and other conservatives) just want government out of our way, not in our wallet. It seems those that don't want to achieve something are the ones pushing socialist/liberal agendas....But IT IS A HOAX. If Obama believes the government doesn't take enough from the rich...why does he take deductions on taxes (same for Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Edwards, Kennedy, etc)? Because it is a lie!

Posted by: MakeUsProud | August 20, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Before this election is over every latino in America will know about how Republicans like McCain and Bush - and the corrupt elite they are backed by - have r&p'd latin america.

Why do you think we can travel to iran and north korea but not cuba?

Ever see the movie "The Godfather"? Bonanno moved out to Arizona in the 60s. Phoenix is right next to Vegas. By the way, in the movie Meyer Lansky was Hyman Roth.

Google: McCain Hensley Marley Lansky

all as one character string

And you wonder why McCain went to Colombia?

Every wonder about the Kerry Committee findings that there was a crack cocaine connection to the Iran/Contra affair?

In old world, people could lie, cheat and steal with impunity. In the new world, not so much. When latinos find out the truth, it's over for the Republicans.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 20, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama is far more testy that McCain ever has been. And if you make Obama look bad in any way, under the bus you go.

Posted by: davenp35 | August 20, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

So now McCain thinks Obama's "testy." Before this campaign is over McCain'll be calling him "uppity."

Posted by: FG | August 20, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Truthteller, i can afford to live by the Pacific and go out for a swim, your shot-in-the-dark ad hominems notwithstanding.

So, "(idiot)", explain your citation. i mean: walk me through this forest: how does does the Commerce Clause--which by the Supremacy Clause expressly grants control over interstate commerce to the federal government (though it doesn't specify any particular flavor of economic policy)--prohibit socialism or any other economic system?

Blah-blah-"your parents" [meaning: i cannot respond with any respectable argument]-crap-blah-"fruity librull"-blah-blah...

Throw down or get out, faker: my understanding of the Constitution earns me money to live in my beach house. And you?

Oh, and why does Iceland have a better standard of living than the US? When i visited, i ate puffin. Puffin!

Posted by: anthony | August 20, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

So when are we actually going to hear something positive from the angry old rich white man with pretensions to running our country. All he has offered so far is negativity and belligerence. Most frightening is his belief that we can somehow "win" in Iraq which means, what? And, of course, the next target will be Iran. If you think the economy is a disaster now wait until McCain starts stirring up the gods of war. . . . That's when moral bankruptcy will lead to financial bankruptcy.

McCain will be a disaster for this country . . .

Posted by: xxpat | August 20, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse


You are so... Republican.

But the Good Book says that we are to love each other, so I will say good day to you sir.

I hope your Nov 4th is as happy for you as I think it will be.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 20, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

mommy must have called anthony for dinner

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Count me in as well, I endorse B. Husein Obama!

Posted by: Marion Barry | August 20, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

anthony (idiot),

Your ignorance of the Constitution is evident. The document states that rights not expressly granted to the federal govenment in the consitution shall remain with the states.

you haven't studied anything, you're a poser who's likely unemployed living with mommy still.

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

The republicans have screwed up America. McCain has supported them all the way. Want more? Vote for McCain.
Bush/Cheney/McCain! No More Years!!

Posted by: thebob.bob | August 20, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

corruption anon,

I also support B.Husein Obama and he has my endorsement.

Posted by: Reverend Wright | August 20, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Nice, MakeUsProud, how did i know that you'd trot out such a tired, garbage response?

As to your claim about the Constitution, why don't you cite it? To which Article do you refer? Which Clauses? Maybe it's just because i'm intimately familiar with the Constitution, but all i can imagine is the Commerce Clause, designating the regulation of which to Congress, which somehow... nevertheless... doesn't prohibit such frighteningly socialist programs and laws as Social Security, the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956, or the VA. Throw down some citations and scholarship or just take it, faker! Your "Constitution" is like a plastic police-badge purchased in the toy aisle of a super-market; i, however, get paid good money to analyze our laws, stemming from the Constitution. Put that in your "free"-market pipe and choke on it.

And i have lived in another country--the Secretary of State signed my birth certificate--and i was able to pull my head out of my red-white-and-blue bung to evaluate reality. To recognize that i can make my home a better place. If that's un-American... well, you're still an idiot.

If you want personal responsibility, don't spew trash you can't back up. Faker.

Posted by: anthony | August 20, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Whatever you right wing nutjobs say...

But Obama is winning New Mexico. McCain is not as strong as Bush, and Obama is much stronger than Gore and Kerry.

He's got advantages in the grassroots, advantages organizationally and financially. And he's just plain smarter than McCain.

Good luck pinning the hopes of your crooked little hearts on that elephant.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 20, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The poll numbers are not looking pretty. As a die-hard Democrat, I must admit I am getting real worried. I think we put up the wrong candidate. Hillary would have been a better choice, maybe we can make the big switch in Denver!

Posted by: kyle w.,philly | August 20, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The wheels are coming off the Obama bandwagon!

Posted by: louie louie | August 20, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has expanded his lead over Barack Obama in Missouri, a new survey says.

McCain's advantage is 50-40, a seven-point increase from Public Policy Polling's July poll, which showed him leading by three points.

Obama's biggest issue is with white voters, who support McCain by a 56-35 margin, observers say.

"There aren't enough black voters in Missouri for Barack Obama to win it if he can't make things more competitive among white voters," said Dean Debnam, president of Public Policy Polling, in a statement. "That's going to be his challenge if he wants to have any chance at winning the state."

McCain leads across every age group and has the advantage with both men and women, the poll shows.

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama Is My Shepherd, I Shall Not Want.
He Leadeth Me Beside Still Factories,
He Restoreth My Faith In The Republican Party,
He Guideth Me In The Paths Of Unemployment.
Yea, Though I Walk Through The Valley Of The Bread Line, I Shall Not Go Hungry.
Obama Has Anointed My Income With Taxes,
My Expenses Runneth Over My Income,
Surely, Poverty And Hard Living Will Follow Me All The Days Of My Life.

The Democrats And I Will Live Forever In a Rented Room.
But I Am Glad I Am an American,
I Am Glad That I Am Free.
But I Wish I Was A Dog
And Obama Was A Tree.

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Anthony why don't you go move to a better country then? There is so much more opportunity here than anywhere else. Show me a better place to live. If you think a better place is a more socialist place...then there sure are better places FOR YOU and your kind.

For's personal accountability and responsibility that allow us to be great here. If you've got a problem with that (like you want someone else taking care of you), then move. The Constitution of this country doesn't support socialism.

Posted by: MakeUsProud | August 20, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

And that's some great work, Toxic Avenger, calling up the Dolchstosslegende. You seem to forget that this isn't the 13th century and that real democracies really don't like destroying villages--no matter how foreign--in order to save them.

Our Vietnam war was lost as soon as we got there, it only took Walter Kronkite to give us some facts--like, we're not Mongols marauding across the plain.

Posted by: anthony | August 20, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Talk about "testy", McCain needs to think back to the release of the Cindy McCain cartoon in an Arizona Newspaper that depicts her stealing medications from the mouth of a baby. McCain wasn't just testy, he was downright irate. I guess McCain might want to rethink letting his thugs depict Michelle Obama as anything other than the wonderful woman she is.

Posted by: LJ | August 20, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Really, MakeUsProud, which countries have the highest standard of living? Is USA #1, or one (or eleven) countries that didn't resort to murder to eliminate social democracy? i'm not saying that my nation (that is: California--haha, stop living off of our welfare, most of the rest of the US!) isn't great, but many other places are doing much better. We could learn something.

And can any of you supporters of Sen. McCain respond to AlexP1? You know, about how Sen. McCain is completely out of touch and living off of his rich, drug-thieving wife's windfall?

Posted by: anthony | August 20, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The slackers are wannabe Republicans, they just don't want to go to work and earn it. Live with Mommy, have other people pay for their crap, bash everything that works, and use the minority groups to further their pathetic cause.

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh Franky, are those horrible monsters still hiding underneath your bed? Yes the republicans are the cause of higher gas prices, and the moon is made of cheese. Your ramblings are so true of a liberal, full of hate and ignorance-exactly what democRATS need from their base. Enjoy that kook-aid. LMMFAO!

Posted by: Speed Racer | August 20, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I see a comment that the rich have been screwing the poor people...that's funny as heck...since rich people employ people, pay 90% of the tax bill, contribute to not for profits...etc...etc. I never saw a poor person make get motivated poor people!

It's funny how I see so many poor people that can't get off their dead butts to volunteer at a not for profit that benefits them. It's always someone with a 50 hour a week job and other commitments that takes the time voluntarily.

And...if we really want to talk about poor people...we...the citizens of the USA live in the top 3% of the world population. If you think there isn't opportunity in this country...move to Africa. Capitalism has brought more people into wealth (i.e - roof over head, food, car, tvs, cell phones, microwave, healthcare) than any other system. Perfect? No. Risky? Yup....less so than the redistribution policies of Liberalism/Socialism. Nothing is a sure thing...but I think a strong military is a REALLY GOOD thing.

Go McCain! Barack is just a rock star with nothing new.

Posted by: MakeUsProud | August 20, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November. We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest.

The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role.

The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%.

Inflation is in double digits. Employment is falling.

The Republican economy in the 21st century has been unable to create net new jobs for Americans except for low wage domestic services such as waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and hospital orderlies.

Republican deregulation brought about fraud in mortgage lending and dangerous financial instruments which have collapsed the housing market, leaving a million or more homeowners facing foreclosure. The financial system is in disarray and might collapse from insolvency.

The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world.

The US can no longer finance its wars or its own government and relies on foreign loans to function day to day. To pay for its consumption, the US sells its existing assets--companies, real estate, toll roads, whatever it can offer--to foreigners.

Republicans have run roughshod over the US Constitution, Congress, the courts and civil liberties. Republicans have made it perfectly clear that they believe that our civil liberties make us unsafe--precisely the opposite view of our Founding Fathers. Yet, Republicans regard themselves as the Patriotic Party.

The Republicans have violated the Nuremberg prohibitions against war crimes, and they have violated the Geneva Conventions against torture and abuse of prisoners. Republican disregard for human rights ranks with that of history's great tyrants.

The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state, which they have no problem using against fellow citizens!

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for any of us!

Posted by: Franky | August 20, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I would expect anyone of character to get "testy" when they see the American people being lied to. Sadly, Senator McCain doesn't seem to appreciate that.

Posted by: Justin from Chicago | August 20, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Two brothers... One speaks no English, the other learned English from watching "The Wide World of Sports." So you tell me... Which is better, speaking no English at all, or speaking Howard Cosell?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Dear Cal, just to refresh your memory, the democRATS have been invested in the defeat of our US soldiers in Iraq for years now.
You think they would have learned their lesson from Vietnam, but it's all about power, even if it comes at the defeat of our G.I.'s.

Posted by: Toxic Avenger | August 20, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

So according to McCain, if Republicans bring the troops home on a timetable its a 'win', but if a Democrat does it it's a 'loss'. Sounds like McCain is putting politics first in a time of conflict.

And of course in 7 years of this stinky war the ONLY people who have even used the word 'lose' are Republicans. It it obvious that all the GOP cares about is politics and are happy to let American troops die as long as it scores them political points with their base.

Posted by: Cal | August 20, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Osama Bin Laden supports McCain because Bin Laden knows that McCain will ignore him for 4 more years and use him to scare everyone with just like Bush has ignored Bin Laden while at the same time using him to scare people with for the past 7 years.

I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

Posted by: Dump the Neocon Warmongers (Bush, Cheney and McCain) | August 20, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Look you fools, Gore won 90% of the black vote (balck, if you wish) and Kerry won 88%. That's what happens when you have a political party that fought tooth and nail against civil rights and used the racism of middle and lower class whites to advance their upper class agenda. You people have been played by a corrupt elite. For years.

The rich have been screwing the poor in this country for years. It isn't a black/white thing, it is a greed thing. Wake up white people!

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 20, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

ohh good, the Mummy is going on offense.... whiney... whiney.... gloom and doom repug.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse


bye the weigh,after use atackd mie spellin, use forgot to anser the raceism on the part of the blak foelk

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse


typical liberal pinhead, immediately going on the personal attack. you are frustrated and angry, and I pity you sasun

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a liar and a hypocrite:

What the Vietnamese deployed against McCain emerges in all the various accounts. It involved sleep deprivation, the withholding of medical treatment, stress positions, long-time standing, and beating. Sound familiar?
According to the Bush administration's definition of torture, McCain was therefore not tortured. Cheney denies that McCain was tortured; as does Bush. So do John Yoo and David Addington and George Tenet. . .and McCain supported them on it.

Posted by: ZappoDave | August 20, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

What would John McInsane do during the first 90 days of his Presidency?

This is the first thing that comes to mind:

Posted by: McCain = Bush | August 20, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Talk about being "Testy", here's John McSame blowing his top and then breaking out into song about his love at the thought of bombing Iran:

Posted by: Truth Teller | August 20, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"Let's define Racism: 98.5% of Balcks support Obama."

Truthteller: If you're going to quote me and refute my comments, do me a favor and spell decently. What, exactly, is a balck?

Posted by: Susan | August 20, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I love how the Wingnuts are getting their hopes up over the numbers from a discredited mid-Augut polling outlet (Zogby), it's going to make their loss and subsequent status as 4th Part Gadflies all the more sweeter come this November.

Posted by: truth teller | August 20, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Let's define Racism: 98.5% of Balcks support Obama.

I am utterly amazed anyone listens to a word this man says. I am beginning to believe what people say about racism in this election - certainly voters aren't supporting McSturgis on the issues or his policies.

Posted by: Susan | August 20, 2008 4:00 PM

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama is my homefry!

Posted by: My name is Shawn and I am intellectually superior to anyone else | August 20, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

It is entertaining to read the Democrats and leftists roil and boil over any poll favoring McCain while blessing all of the polls this year that put obama ahead.
Frankly, you librulls sound downright malicious, not feisty.
Here's to you losing!

Posted by: Larry Clifton | August 20, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Barack Obama | August 20, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for labeling Obama's emotions for us, senator. How is he feeling today?

I am utterly amazed anyone listens to a word this man says. I am beginning to believe what people say about racism in this election - certainly voters aren't supporting McSturgis on the issues or his policies.

Posted by: Susan | August 20, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse


Shameful -- no wonder you post anonymously ...

Posted by: JakeD | August 20, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's the latest, that was the one from last month, notice the change is reporting that a new poll shows John McCain has taken a five-point lead over Barack Obama in the race for President. The poll, conducted by Reuters/Zogby Thursday through Saturday, shows McCain leads 46 to 41 percent.

That would mark a sharp turnaround for McCain, who trailed Obama by seven points in last month's Reuters/Zogby poll.

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A Reuters/Zogby poll shows that John McCain (left) has taken a five-point lead over Barack Obama in the presidential race. Obama carried a seven-percent lead in last month's poll.

On the question of which candidate would be the best manager of the country's economy, Reuters reports that McCain leads Obama 49 to 40 percent.

"There is no doubt the campaign to discredit Obama is paying off for McCain right now," pollster John Zogby said. "This is a significant ebb for Obama."

The poll results were announced as speculation heats up about who the candidates will choose as their running mates.

The Obama campaign has said it will announce its vice presidential nominee any day, and will announce the choice via text message to supporters.

Sun-Times Washington Bureau Chief Lynn Sweet first reported in her blog Tuesday that Obama will appear with his choice of running mate in front of the old state capitol building in Springfield Saturday.

McCain plans to announce his running mate Aug. 29.

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Here ya go genius..

A new Zogby/Reuters poll shows Democrat Senator Barack Obama with some upward movement in his campaign against Republican Senator John McCain for the White House: he has now taken a 7 percent lead and being perceived as better equipped to get the U.S. out of the unfolding crisis involving the economy.

But even on the economic issue, Obama’s numbers are way below what many pundits thought they should be given the daily GOP-unfriendly, bad news economic stories emerging now on several fronts (inflation, unstable banks, rising oil prices, big corporate cutbacks and layoffs) and the generally panned responses to President George Bush’s spin-control statements on the state of the economy.

Democrat Barack Obama has a 7-point lead on Republican John McCain in the U.S. presidential race, and holds a small edge on the crucial question of who would best manage the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

More than a month after kicking off the general election campaign, Obama leads McCain by 47 percent to 40 percent. That is slightly better than his 5-point cushion in mid-June, shortly after he clinched the Democratic nomination fight against New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.

But the poll provides yet more evidence of a relatively new problem for Obama: this is yet another poll that shows him losing support among independent voters, a crucial swing vote component that is likely to determine the outcome of the election:

But Obama’s 22-point advantage in June among independents, a critical voting bloc that could swing either way in the November election, shrunk to 3 points during a month in which the candidates battled on the economy and Obama was accused of shifting to the centre on several issues.

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

National polls in August aren't worth the paper they're wriiten on (especially Zogby) but there is one thing that's been consistent, John McBush has yet to break out of the low to mid-40's and that's terrible.

See ya in October, loser!


Rueters/Zogby poll today has McCain ahead now for the first time. This should be the beginning of the end for Obama.

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 3:43 PM

Posted by: Your Worst Nightmare | August 20, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I call on one of the secret service people to who have guns and are close to John Mccain to please do us a civic duty.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Are you referring to the "Likely voter poll" that was the complete opposite just two days ago? That poll is a joke it changes based on what is on TV or the time of day. It uses the phone book for contacts. If you are even unlisted you will never be included.
Just as a note. Electoral vote polls have the election already over and Obama has won.

Rueters/Zogby poll today has McCain ahead now for the first time. This should be the beginning of the end for Obama.

Weak on issues, weak on substance, weak within his own party. This spells defeat in November. Looks like another four years for the Republicans in the White House

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 3:43 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by McCain=Bush:
The Haves, the Have Mores and John McCain

Eight years ago, then Governor George W. Bush revealingly joked about his backers at the 2000 Al Smith Dinner. "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," Bush said, adding, "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base." With his own quip Saturday night that "$5 million" is his definition of "rich," John McCain made no mistake that he is Bush's natural heir.

Now, there is nothing wrong with being happily rich and utterly detached. Nothing, that is, unless you make criticizing your political opponent as "elitist" and "out of touch" a centerpiece of your campaign. Rick Davis, speaking on behalf of his $100 million man John McCain, earlier this month offered the latest formulation of Barack Obama as an effete, aloof denizen of the upper class:

"Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day, demand 'MET-RX chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and bottles of a hard-to-find organic brew - Black Forest Berry Honest Tea' and worry about the price of arugula."

Of course, Davis' "arugula war" is just another attempt at misdirection. After all, John McCain's $5 million threshold where "you move from middle class to rich" is just the latest episode of his enduring disconnect from the real lives of the American people.

For starters, McCain in April declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, was back with the campaign last week.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay.

In his defense, McCain's shocking tone-deafness may just be a matter of perspective. When you're as well off as he is, anything below a $5 million income (a figure exceeding that earned on average by the top 0.1% of Americans) seems middle class.

*The $100 Million Man*
-Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) As Salon reported back in 2000, the second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.

*The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership*
-While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.

*The Anheuser-Busch Windfall*
-As it turns out, the beauty of globalization is in the eye of the beholder. While John McCain apparently played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock. Amazingly, while Missouri's politicians of both parties lined up to try to block the sale, John McCain held a fundraiser in the Show Me State even as the In Bev deal was being finalized.

*McCain's $370,000 Personal Tax Break*
-Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's plan is radically more regressive than even that of President Bush, delivering 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers. McCain's born-again support for the Bush tax cuts has one additional bonus for Mr. Straight Talk: the McCains would save an estimated $373,000 a year.

*Paying Off $225,000 Credit Card Debt, Priceless*
-That massive windfall from his own tax plan will come in handy for John McCain. As was reported in June, the McCains were carrying over $225,000 in credit card debt. The American Express card - don't leave your homes without it.

*Charity Begins at Home*
-As Harpers documented earlier this year, the McCains are true believers in the old saying that charity begins at home:

Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to [their] foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.
Ironically, the McCain campaign last week blasted Barack Obama for having attended a private school in Hawaii on scholarship. That attack came just weeks after John McCain held an event at his old prep school, Episcopal High, an institution where fees now top $38,000 a year.

*Private Jet Setters*
-As the New York Times detailed back in April, John McCain enjoyed the use of his wife's private jet for his campaign, courtesy of election law loopholes he helped craft. Despite the controversy, McCain continued to use Cindy's corporate jet. For her part, Cindy McCain says that even with skyrocketing fuel costs, "in Arizona the only way to get around the state is by small private plane."

*Help on the Homefront*
-In these tough economic times, the McCains are able to stretch their household budget. As the AP reported in April, "McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain."

*Well-Heeled in $520 Shoes*
-If clothes make the man, then John McCain has it made. As Huffington Post noted in July, "He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop - from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA." It is altogether fitting that McCain wore the golden loafers during a golf outing with President George H.W. Bush in which he rode around in cart displaying the sign, "Property of Bush #41. Hands Off."

And so it goes. John McCain proclaims $5 million finally makes you rich. Meanwhile, ABC's Charlie Gibson thinks a $200,000 income makes you middle class. And his colleague Cokie Roberts claims Barack Obama's vacation to his home state of Hawaii was "exotic."

.....Just more of the same RNC/GOP crapola and hypocracy...when they say "sh*t rolls downhill" it really does roll....

Posted by: AlexP1 | August 20, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain boasts about hunting down Osama Bin Laden like he's some 72 year old geriatric Rambo or something.

Did he not realize that Bin Laden was never in Iraq in the first place? And thanks to the current Republican Chimp in Chief, he's not in Afganistan anymore either.

Does McCain not understand that concentrating U.S. military recources into Iraq would prove to be counter productive in the effort to bring those responsible for 9-11 to justice?

McCain keeps talking about the success of the Surge, but this talk is just a smokescreen to disguise his lack of foreign policy judgement by supporting the Bush policy to invade Iraq in the first place:

Posted by: astral99 | August 20, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

As a loyal Democrat, I am afraid I have to agree with Truthteller. We picked a weakling of a candidate and now we will have to pay for it. Maybe Hillary will pull through for us in Denver.

Posted by: jimmy crackcorn in cali | August 20, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Rueters/Zogby poll today has McCain ahead now for the first time. This should be the beginning of the end for Obama.

Weak on issues, weak on substance, weak within his own party. This spells defeat in November. Looks like another four years for the Republicans in the White House

Posted by: Truthteller | August 20, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

McSame is a disengenuous liar and a clear and present danger to the security of the United States of America. Get this old man away from the button, and I will stay off his lawn

Posted by: ashish | August 20, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse


"Bomb Bomb Iran"

"100 years in Iraq"

"Russian Commies make me angry"

McCain is more dangerous and delusional than even Shrub and Dirty Darth Cheney are:

Posted by: agent orange | August 20, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups"

This was said a long time ago and is still true today
The Republicans are counting on it. I have to say it is not a bad strategy, the American people are pretty stupid as a whole. With an average IQ of 97 one of the lowest in the world they can be sold anything. The American people are very easily fooled. As anyone in the weight loss business would tell you, or watch any of those late night infomercials. John Mccain might just as well be selling a "Buns of Steel" tape or exercise equipment that claims will make you look like the model in the commercial in 30 days. This is what they are doing, just figuring out what people want to hear and fee it to them, the truth means nothing. Will they buy it, probably. It is just a matter of how many.

I amazes me that a large amount of people actually buy his sh!t.

Posted by: jr | August 20, 2008 3:11 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

John McCain sucks. It is that simple.

Posted by: cr | August 20, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

It's time for all the little Wingnuts to do what they do best:
Lockstep behind the angry old rich white guy (John McBush) running for President who has an (R) in front of his name:

Posted by: Johnny Rotten | August 20, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Integrity is a quality McCain has surrendered to his campaign's Karl Rove minions. Over the years I have come to realize every thought that comes from a Rovian candidate is twisted ad dangerous. The strategy is to negatively define a political opponent by repeating, repeating, repeating an often absurd labeling statement so the message takes on a life of its own---McCain has sold out to this deceitful and destructive strategy.

Posted by: Lou R | August 20, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I amazes me that a large amount of people actually buy his sh!t.

Posted by: jr | August 20, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

And how does Sen. McCain define victory in Iraq?

I hope he gets all sanctimonious and emotional. Obama has the advantage on the issues, the advantage in the ground game, and the financial advantage. People need to get mad - and throw all of these Republican bums out for what they've done to this country.

When the latinos learn about how badly the Republicans have r&p'd latin america they will NEVER vote Republican again.

This is the last election Republicans have a shot in New Mexico. And 2012 will be Texas' last competitive election.

The truth will set America free.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 20, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

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