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Left Keeps Hammering McCain Oil Ties

By Matthew Mosk

Left-leaning interest groups, the Democratic National Committee and the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama have been hammering away at Republican John McCain over the the Arizona senator's fundraising success with oil companies.

The Post reported last week that McCain saw contributions from oil and gas executives increase dramatically in June, with more than $1 million going to his campaign and to the Republican National Committee Victory Fund established to assist McCain in the Fall.

The latest volley came after the group Campaign Money Watch released a report Friday that included this detail about McCain's fundraising efforts: "The major outpouring of
donations outside of Texas came from oil giant Hess, whose executives and family members from New York and New Jersey gave $285,000 within a week of McCain's Texas swing, with ten donors all maxing out to the RNC with identical $28,500 donations."

This morning, the blog Talking Points Memo picked up on that detail in the report and noted that one of those ten donors, Alice Rocchio, identified herself as an "office manager" at Hess. Rocchio's husband, Pasquale, also made a large contribution to McCain. He identifies himself as an Amtrak "track foreman" on the Federal Election Commission report that details his contribution.

Between the two of them, the Rocchios have donated $61,600 to McCain and to his victory fund, which distributes $28,500 to the Republican National Committee.

In a brief interview with TPM Election Central, Rocchio is reported to have responded to questions about these contributions by saying, "It was my option to give... This is my favorite candidate...I fully acknowledge that [the donation] was done by myself personally, my own doing."

Rocchio is not the only person employed by Hess who made a large contribution to McCain. In addition to the top exectives, Charles Harris, who lists his occupation as a "driver" for Hess, gave $2,300 to the presumptive Republican nominee in March.

And McCain was not the only recipient of Hess money. Hess CEO John Hess has also written $2,300 checks to presidential hopefuls Obama, Sens. Chris Dodd, Gov. Bill Richardson, and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

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Posted by: fljehmtove | August 18, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Don:

Try a Google search with Exelon and $239,061

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2921641

Posted by: JakeD | August 5, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

>>I can't tell whether you are plants by a really stupid and exhausted Republican Party, or by a Democratic Party far shrewder and less scrupulous than its past history would suggest.
You don't think the reference to eating aborted fetuses (a true holy roller never uses the word "fetus", it's always a "baby") and consorting with demons from the pit of eternal flame wasn't a tip off that it was a parody?
" His smile is a mind control device..." now tell me that's a rational position?
You didn't notice every claim was prefaced with "somebody told me" or "I heard"?
That's the problem with Republicans, they are so extreme as to be almost immune to parody.

Posted by: dijetlo | August 5, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

FACT SHEET: Unremarkable Military record of John Sidney McCain III
Both McCain III's father and grandfather were Admirals in the United States Navy. His father
Admiral John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe - later commander of
American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. His grandfather
John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.
McCain III, like his father and grandfather, also attended the United States Naval Academy.
McCain III finished near the bottom of his graduating class in 1958.

McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft
1 - Student pilot McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus
Christi Bay while practicing landings.
2 - Pilot McCain III lost another plane two years later while he was deployed in the
Mediterranean. "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines
which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the
son of an admiral.
3 - Pilot McCain III lost number three in 1965 when he was returning from flying a Navy
trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain III radioed, "I've got
a flameout" and ejected at one thousand feet. The plane crashed to the ground and
McCain III floated to a deserted beach.
4 - Combat pilot McCain III lost his fourth on July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to
the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk combat pilot. While waiting his turn for takeoff, an
accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain Jr's. plane. He escaped from the burning
aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft,
and threatened to sink the ship.
5 - Combat pilot McCain III lost a fifth plane three months later (Oct. 26, 1967) during his
23rd mission over North Vietnam when he failed to avoid a surface-to-air missile. McCain
III ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently
parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. After being pulled from the lake by the North
Vietnamese, McCain III was bayoneted in his left foot and shoulder and struck by a rifle
butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

1973 New York Daily News labeled POW McCain III a "PW Songbird"
On McCain III's fourth day of being denied medical treatment, slapped, and threatened with
death by the communist (they were demanding military information in exchange for medical
treatment), McCain III broke and told his interrogator, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you
will take me to the hospital." U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former
POW John McCain.
It was then that the communist learned that McCain III's father was Admiral John S. McCain,
the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific. The Vietnamese rushed McCain III to
Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable
for U.S. POWs.
By Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press was quoting McCain III describing
his mission including the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the
order of which U.S. attacks would take place.
While in still in North Vietnam's military hospital, McCain III gave an interview to prominent
French television reporter Francois Chalais for a series titled Life in Hanoi. Chalais' interview with
McCain III was aired in Europe.
Vietnamese doctors operated on McCain's Leg in early December, 1967.
Six weeks after he was shot down, McCain was taken from the hospital and delivered to a
U.S. POW camp,
In May of 1968, McCain III allowed himself to be interviewed by two North Vietnamese
generals at separate times." May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
In August 1968, other POWs learned for the first time that John McCain III had been taken
prisoner.
On June 5, 1969, the New York Daily News reported in a article headlined Reds Say PW
Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral, " . . . Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of
United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having
bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since
being taken prisoner . . ." The Washington Post explained McCain III's broadcast: "The English-
Language broadcast beamed at South Vietnam was one of a series using American prisoners. It
was in response to a plea by Defense Secretary Melvin S. Laird, May 19, that North Vietnam treat
prisoners according to the humanitarian standards set forth by the Geneva Convention."
In 1970, McCain III agreed to an interview with Dr. Fernando Barral, a Spanish psychiatrist
who was living in Cuba at the time.
The meeting between Barral and McCain III (which was photographed by the Vietnamese)
took place away from the prison at the office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in
Hanoi (declassified government document). During the meeting, POW McCain sipped coffee and
ate oranges and cakes with the Cuban.
While talking with Barral, McCain III further seriously violated the military Code of Conduct by
failing to evade answering questions "to the utmost of his ability" when he, according government
documents, helped Barral by answering questions in Spanish, a language McCain had learned in
school. The interview was published in the in January 1970.

McCain III was released from North Vietnam March 15, 1973
In 1993, during one of his many trips back to Hanoi, McCain asked the Vietnamese not to
make public any records they hold pertaining to returned U.S. POWs. McCain III claims, that
while a POW, he tried to kill himself.

McCain III was awarded "medals for valor" equal to nearly a medal-and-a-half for each
hour he spent in combat
For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded
McCain III, the son of famous admirals, a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished
Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a
dozen service medals.
"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former
chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam
since the 1973 fall of Saigon.
"Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continued, "that equals to about a medal-and-a-half for
each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more
than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure
a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how
many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."
For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and
biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed
to gloss over his failures as a pilot and his collaborations with the enemy to become America's
POW-hero presidential candidate.
For more information: www.againstmccain.com www.usveterandispatch.com

Posted by: Anonymous | August 5, 2008 5:23 AM | Report abuse

One of Mccains favorite reasons why he is ready to be commander and chief is his military background. Lets look a little closer at that. He went to Annapolis naval academy. This is maybe the most prestigious military institution in the country. While at Annapolis a cadet learns military history, Military tactics, leadership, discipline and a host of skills that prepare them to be officers and lead men. While there John Mccain was admittedly drunk most of the time something confirmed by his class mates. He graduated at the bottom class 894 out of 899 in his class. In his book he attributes this to his parting and not really caring much for things like math and other scholarly studies. He did like history though he says in his book. In spite of his horrible record he did graduate probably due to who his father was. While serving John Mccain was never in command of or a leader of men. He was taken prisoner and for the duration of the war was a POW. Later he was in command of a naval training base in Florida a token job he got due to his father. The highest rank he ever achieved was captain. He retired from the Navy and went into politics. Probably the most he actual knows about leadership and the military is what he learned at the academy where he finished next to last in his class and admits he didn't do much study. John Mccain I am afraid is the black sheep in what is otherwise a respected military family.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 5, 2008 5:20 AM | Report abuse

JOHN MCCAIN, TRADER TO HIS COUNTRY, COLLABORATOR WITH THE ENEMY, MILITARY DISGRACE.
Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442

Posted by: Anonymous | August 5, 2008 5:18 AM | Report abuse

For years, the mainstream news media has refused to stop idolizing the so-called straight talking maverick John McCain long enough to question the mental health consequences of the years he spent as a "special" prisoner of the communists in North Vietnam.

McCain, the presumptive Republican candidate for President, who could one day have his finger on the "red button," claims the communists subjected him to 5 ½ years of nonstop indoctrination sessions so intense that he attempted suicide.

Unfortunately for McCain, after his bomber was hit by anti-aircraft fire near Hanoi on October 26, 1967, he parachuted into the hands of an evil communist enemy who 7 years earlier had adopted Soviet methods of prisoner interrogation.

At that time, the Soviets were perfecting techniques designed "to put a man's mind into a fog so that he will mistake what is true for what is untrue, what is right for what is wrong, and come to believe what did not happen actually had happened."

Psychiatric Journals are flush with reports concluding that former POWs may remain entangled in "harsh psychological battles" with themselves for decades after returning home including difficulty in controlling intense emotions such as anger and stress.

In political circles, McCain, sometimes referred to as "insane McCain," is well known for having a "volcanic" temper which his colleagues say often erupts into vulgar language and personal insults.

Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, experienced McCain's in your face temperament up close. "His volatility borders in the area of being unstable," Johnson said. "Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause."

The Journal of America Medicine reported in an 1996 article that being a former POW is associated with "increased cumulative incidence rates of chronic disorders of the peripheral nervous system, joints, and back and an increased hazard rate of peptic ulcer."

The 71 year-old McCain most certainly suffers pain and the weakening effects of chronic arthritis. He broke both arms when he was forced to eject after his bomber was hit. He says the Vietnamese periodically re-fractured his bones during years of interrogation and torture which rendered him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.

McCain has never been publicly vetted about what and how much medications he is taking. Aside from his anger and arthritic pain issues, McCain has had reoccurring bouts of malignant melanoma, a deadly form of cancer that can spread quickly throughout the body.

These facts alone beg the question on how a President McCain, in the absence of his campaign staff handlers, would deal with a snap decision that had to be made "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

McCain's POW experience is unique. His communist captors considered him the "crown prince" of U.S. POWs because his father, Adm. John McCain, was commander of all U.S. forces fighting in Vietnam. Because the communists believed he was from a "royal family" and would when finally released return to the United States to an important military or government job, they held him for two years in "solitary confinement."

In February, Reuters news reported that McCain's former captors are expressing delight in the news of his nomination as Republican party Presidential candidate. "In the past Senator McCain has conducted activities that had a positive impact in bringing the two nations [Vietnam/United States] closer. That is a point that Vietnamese people who follow the current affairs do recognize," said retired North Vietnamese Colonel Nguyen Van Phuong, representing retired and present members of the Vietnamese communist military.

Since McCain was first elected to Congress 1982 (and later to the Senate), he and his staff have expended tens of thousands of hours pushing U.S. legislation favoring communist Vietnam. In 1995, McCain stood with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. to give President Bill Clinton valuable political cover he needed to disregard the issue of missing U.S. POWs in Vietnam and remove the U.S. trade embargo against Vietnam.

No U.S. POW had any communication with McCain or knew where he was being held during at least 8 to 12 months of McCain's first two years of captivity. He has either been unable or unwilling to account for the months he was missing from the POW system.

Within days of McCain's shoot down and after being told the identity of his famous father, the Vietnamese rushed him to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable to treat U.S. POWs. McCain was kept at Gai Lam for six weeks under the control of Soviet medical specialist anxious to test the use of their "mind and behavior modification" drugs on such an important prisoner.

McCain said the communists were so effective with their interrogation techniques that he broke on the fourth day after being captured and began cooperating. "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Pages 193-194, Faith of My Fathers, by John McCain.

U.S. intelligence agents concluded in the early 1950s that Soviet intelligence (KGB) agents were experimenting on their prisoners with "mind control" techniques and behavior modification drugs

Allen W. Dulles, the newly confirmed CIA director acknowledged the dilemma in April 1953, when he told a gathering of Princeton alumni that "a sinister battle for men's minds" was underway. The Soviets, Dulles explained "have developed brain perversion techniques, some of which are so subtle and so abhorrent to our way of life that we have recoiled from facing up to them."

During the Cold War, the Soviets and the CIA began competing with secret experiments on prisoners aimed at honing the use of "chemical and biological materials capable of producing human behavioral and physiological changes." The experiments included isolation, sleep deprivation, humiliation, alternating with long hours of interrogation.

Since the Russians and Chinese (and our own CIA) have proven they can in a relative short time alter the basic emotional and behavior patterns of captives, it is fair to assume that McCain's unpredictable and often volatile temperament is directly related to his treatment as a 5 ½ prisoner of the communists.

The American public was first exposed to Soviet "brain perversion techniques" during Korean War when the communists launched a propaganda offensive featuring filmed and recorded testimony of captured U.S. servicemen confessing to war crimes including the use of germ warfare.

By the end of the Korean War, "70 percent of the 7,190 U.S. prisoners held in China had either made confessions or signed petitions calling for an end to the American war effort in Asia. Fifteen percent collaborated fully with the Chinese, and only 5 percent steadfastly resisted."

Military officials were especially alarmed when a significant number of the U.S. prisoners refused to recant their confessions as soon as they returned to the United States.

Beginning in 1960, KGB and Chinese agents directed the Vietnamese in establishing Vietnam's original interrogation guidelines for U.S. prisoners. They suggested interrogation techniques and issued specific intelligence requirements to be extracted during prisoner interrogations.

Official American position on POW confessions was that they were false and forced while privately expressing grave concern that the collaborations proved the communists had developed techniques that could "put a man's mind into a fog."

Psychologist have identified behavior in which a former prisoner emotionally bonds with an abuser as the Stockholm Syndrome. McCain was a strong advocate for prosecuting Bosnian, Yugoslavian and Iraqi war criminals and is adamantly opposed to any form of normalized relation with Cuba until it allows "free elections, human right organizations and a free and independent media."

Yet, McCain has resisted any kind of war crimes investigation of his former Vietnamese torturers. Prosecution and subsequent trials could bring to justice the Vietnamese torturers known by the American POWs as the Bug, Slopehead, the Prick, the Soft Soap Fairy, Rabbit, the Cat, Zorba and many others who were responsible for the murder in North Vietnam of at least 55 U.S. POWs and the brutal torture of hundreds of others.

In November 1991, Tracy Usry, chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam. McCain became outraged, interrupting Usry several times, arguing that "none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets."

Former KGB Maj. Gen. Oleg Kalugin testified during the hearings that the KGB did interrogate U.S. POWs in Vietnam. Kalugin stated that one of the POWs worked on by the KGB was a "high-ranking naval officer," who, according to Kalugin, agreed to work with the Soviets upon his repatriation to the United States and has frequently appeared on U.S. television.

Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war he had the authority to "read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo" pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly.

McCain stunned onlookers at the hearing when he moved to the witness table and physically embraced Col. Tin as if he was a long, lost brother.

In 1949 Dr. Andrew Salter authored Conditioned Reflex Therapy, a pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis. Ten years later, as Richard Condon was writing The Manchurian Candidate, he asked Dr. Salter to help "design" the brainwashed character for the book and subsequent movie.

More than 40 years later, in 1992, during the C-SPAN broadcasts of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Dr. Salter watched the hearings from his New York City apartment. Salter became fascinated with McCain's overly aggressive and angry behavior toward witnesses, especially family members of men still missing in action. After a few hours he called a friend telling her, "the signs are all there, I'm afraid Senator John McCain has been brainwashed."

During the Senate Select hearings, McCain opposed all efforts by the POW/MIA families and activists to have the Select Committee expand its investigation to study how successful the Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban interrogation apparatuses were at exploiting American prisoners of war.

News pundants have elevated McCain to "the most popular national political figure in the country" by repeatedly describing him as a "war hero" based on his refusal accept a communist offer of "early release" from captivity.

What the media has carelessly refused to acknowledge is that the camp's senior ranking U.S. POW (SRO) had issued unquestionable orders that if a POW was to be released, "it would be the longest held prisoner" Because McCain was not the longest held POW, he would have faced a military court-marshal if he had accepted the offer.

It is incumbent upon McCain to prove to the American people that the 5 1/2 years he spent at the mercy of communist interrogators did not leave him with mental health issues that could hinder him in making snap decisions "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

Is McCain taking any kind of pain or "nerve" medicines? If so, do the medicines cause emotional and physical reactions?

McCain was once treated for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) which is said to get worse over time for former POWs, what is the status of his treatment?

Does McCain still harbor stress triggered suicidal tendencies?

Where was McCain and what was happening to him during the months he was missing from the POW camp?

McCain implies that he made only one propaganda broadcast for the communists, but Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers say he made over 30. How many did he make and what did he get in return?

Why does McCain still deny that the Soviets were involved in the interrogation of U.S. POWs in Vietnam?

Does McCain's former interrogators, the communist Vietnamese, Russians, Chinese and Cubans have anything in their secret intelligence files about his behavior as a prisoner with which they could blackmail a President John McCain?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 5, 2008 5:17 AM | Report abuse

Wright===don't do drugs the next time you get on the internet. You are incoherent.

Posted by: arkansas grandpa | August 5, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Let's see: we can talk about policies or we can make ad hominem attacks.

And when your candidate married into the mob then it sorta behooves you to play the ball this time.

I know that's a change. And I know you conservatives don't like change.

But if you don't change you'll die.

McCain married into the mob. You could google it.

Therefore you just might want to stick to the issues this election cycle. Who knows: maybe you'll learn something too.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 5, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

People, it is okay to hate Obama, as long as you do it for the right reason. Hate is not the same as bigotry. Learn how to hate correctly. Rev. Wright and Jesse Jackson got away with it.

Posted by: Mohammed | August 5, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

If Obama becomes president, many blacks will get lay their pink slips. At least they have a brother in high places that will take someone else's money and give it to them. Obami-Nation.

Posted by: Wright | August 5, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

This Obama is a liar who needs a good slap in the face. Repeat process until he becomes truthful.

Posted by: Mao | August 5, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

the hate of these comments is disgusting. I have seen the name "hussein obama" "islamic extremist" "Angry black christian anti-american" in every single comment. Grow up, stop with all the hate. Obama has been skewed, slammed, smeared, slurred, threatened, and outright lied about this entire election. When did America become the nation of hatred? I can't believe the racism being exposed after all these years.

Here is the facts:

Obama sticks to the ISSUES in every single ad, every single speech, every single debate.

His supporters stick to the ISSUES in their support of him, and if mccain is attacked, it is always known FACTS about the man.

I haven't seen a single mccain supporter attack Obama on the issues.

I have not seen mccain respond to a single issue in this campaign proposed by Obama.

I have seen mccain play childish games, gimmicks, outright false ads smearing Obama with things that have been proven false. I have seen mccain sitting back and do nothing but play the "obama is a big scary black man" game.

McCain cannot win this election on the issues, because he has none. His ideas are so blatantly bad for the people of this country, it is unbelievable. Anyone who knows anything about this country, and what helps the economy when its down, knows that mccain won't lower gas prices, mccain won't bring more jobs to the people of this country, mccain will not bring our soldiers home from the illegal war waged in our name. Mccain will NUKE IRAN, which WILL result in an American city being attacked by a nuclear weapon. Guaranteed, go ahead and vote mccain, but next to his name, please write in your preference of which American city you want to sacrifice.

Stop hating a man because of his skin color. The very people freaking out because of Obamas "ties" with a big mean black pastor, are probably sexually molesting pre-teenage girls, buying prostitutes, using illegal drugs, committing adultery (mccain knows all about this, ask his crippled ex wife he left for the trust fund baby young enough to be his daughter).

I have lost my faith in the american public. The right has absolutely shown how much hatred they harbor, while claiming those evil lefties hate america, they hate human beings, they hate technology, they hate this, they hate that, when its the whining right wing who blames the left for EVERYTHING, and WINS ELECTIONS USING CHILDISH TACTICS, AND LYING ABOUT THEIR OPPONENTS.

Keep getting fooled you tools. McCain will lead you straight to nuclear holocaust. Tell me who hates America when he jokes about leading us down a path of a pre emptive, unprovoked NUCLEAR ATTACK ON IRAN.

Posted by: darren | August 5, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

JakeD's figure of $239,061.00 is completely fictional. Do a Google search to see how many pages in the world have this number:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%24239%2C061.00&btnG=Search

Only two-- this one and the some other page with some physician's salary. JakeD pulled the number out of thin air. JakeD is a liar

Posted by: Don | August 5, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and in that last post I meant "Democrats" not as in "The Democratic Party," but as in "People who believe in Democracy."

I think there is still a distinction between the two groups, though it's been growing smaller and smaller over the last eight years. They aren't quite synonymous, yet.

Posted by: drossless | August 5, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

So, you folks on your Islamac Anti-Christ Facist Marxist wing nut fantasy screed trip understand that you are embarrassing Christians, Democrats, Economists and just plain decent people everywhere, right?

I can't tell whether you are plants by a really stupid and exhausted Republican Party, or by a Democratic Party far shrewder and less scrupulous than its past history would suggest.

Because you basically sound like nut cakes that few decent people would want to be associated with. You are custom made to whip the suburban middle class into the Democrats' arms this fall.

Keep it up. And thanks!

Posted by: drossless | August 5, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote: "No, that's no my point -- I simply want the same standard applied to Obama donors -- see my posts to playa, below."

JakeD, by all means, scrutinize Obama's donors. You have. The Republicans are. It's expected.

Obama's campaign is built to withstand scrutiny. You yourself show that his #2 largest group of donors is the evil empire of . . . retirees. Gasp! Oil & Gas doesn't make the top 20, your own facts show it.

Scrutinize Obama's donors, compare them to McCain's, using the same standards, by all means, I encourage and invite you to do so. Guess who comes out looking better?

Obama '08.

Posted by: drossless | August 5, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote: "239,061.00 from the Exelon Corporation"

Don't know about your numbers, but Obama excepts donations from individuals, not "corporations." Exelon employs about 18,000 people. $240k is equal to 100 people giving the maximum individual contribution of $2,400. 100 people is about one half of one percent of Exelon's work force.

So a trivial percentage of Exelon employees are giving Obama money -- a number not even approaching the percent of its employees that are probably Democrats.

And you think this is an issue?

That's because you are reaching really, really, really hard.

Posted by: drossless | August 5, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

last i checked, $285,000 was still more money than $2,300.

Posted by: wordup | August 5, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

"Only a democrat could do that."

Keating 5.

Posted by: wordup | August 5, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

HUSSEIN Obama the Anti-American, Islamic extremist with ties to sixties counter culture figures. Don't vote for him. I heard he eats aborted babies and consorts with demons from the pit of eternal flames. Someone told me he is EVIL!!!!! Rank, foul, fiendish, insidious, unclean, EVIL, they said his smile is a mind control device and that he's secretly deflowering hordes of young white girls, some of whom are your probably daughters! Then on the internet, I read he has a sex tap with Brittany Hilton.
Oh, and he knows Bill Ayers. The Christian preachers agree he's the Anti-Christ and we should burn him. Least that's what I heard.
Oh, and it turns out John McCain doesn't have a black love child, so it's OK to vote for him again.

Posted by: Dijetlo | August 5, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

To eliot:

What about Rezkogate.

Rezko illegally raised millions for Obama through strawmen.

This Rezko also gave Obama 300 grand off his home and Obama accepted while Rezko was under investigation.

Only in America can Obama then run for president.

Only a democrat could do that.

Posted by: William | August 5, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Look at it this way. Of the 28 years since the Nobel Laurette James Earl Carter was President, the Republicans have picked the SC judges for 20 of them.
Roe v Wade?
Still the Law of the Land
Why isn't that surprising?
It's the nightmare scenario. The fire over abortion on the right turns the Republican party into the little engine that can, without that fire, there is no 51% Presidency, Karls magic play book turns to dust and the oil companies who lay the golden eggs move their money pipe into the Democratic trough.
So will we see Roe overturned?
Who, besides the clamoring rubes, would want to do a thing like that?

Posted by: Dijetlo | August 5, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

all caps = classy

Posted by: wordup | August 5, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

To wordup:

Obama got money from the CEO of Hess.

To wordup:

Your Hussein Obama got 300 grand off his home from Tony Rezko while Rezko was under investigation for how he bundled money for Obama raising millions for Obama.


Look into how Obama got a sweetheart deal on his home from a crook who was raising 20 percent of his campaign funds and was under investigaton at the time.


Rezko was convicted on a charge of how he illegally raised money for Obama.


But you Obama supporters don't give a damn you want to shove the most radical anti american extremist down our throats.

Posted by: Jeff | August 5, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

if you think getting money "employees of oil companies" is the same as getting multiple 5-figure donations from "eight Hess Corporation execs and/or Hess family members" in the same week, i have some land i'd like to sell you.

Posted by: wordup | August 4, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

To wordup:

THE HESS FAMILY ALSO DONATED TO

HUSSEIN OBAMA.


BUT YOU LEFTIES DON'T CARE ABOUT FACTS.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

To eliot:

there is no hessgate.

The guy isn't a rental who made the donation.

He also owns a condo and a home seperately.

This is what happens when MSM report from left wing bloggers.

Posted by: David | August 4, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

To wordup:

Here's a riddle the hess family also gave to Obama the muslim.

Here's a riddle Obama has gotten 400 grand from big oil.

Here's a riddle your lying inexperience muslim rezko wright extremist voted for tax breaks from big oil.

Here's a riddle what is any american doing voting for someone that hates america and went to a church bashing america for 20 years.

Posted by: Dan | August 4, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

here's a riddle: what does rev. wright have to do with the fact that members of the Hess family gave mccain a ton of money recently?

Posted by: wordup | August 4, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

trolls' heads asplode.

Posted by: wordup | August 4, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse


THE GRASS ROOTS QUESTION: WHY IS OBAMA EVEN RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT?

Obama attended Wright''s hate-filled church for 20 years. Wright is a staunch supporter of Farrakhan and even gave Farrakhan a "Lifetime Achievement Award". Even so, Obama still stayed with Wright and his church. Then later during the campaign, Obama defended Wright, stating he was like an uncle and also said "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community". Clearly Obama condones those who practice racist and anti-American activity. Also, Obama is a friend of Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist. Add to this his refusal to wear a flag pin and not placing his hand over his heart during the national anthem and one can see why many people wonder if he has Islamic leanings. Yet he has support from most blacks, die-hard democrats, and some young people who think he is hip and cool.


Posted by: Billw | August 4, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

To eliot there is no Hessgate.

The source of this fake story was a partisan hack liberal blogger josh marshall of talking points memo.


It turns out everything is on the up and up.

The guy isn't a rental like Hsu.

It is a second residence.


Obama has recieved thousands of 30,000 donations. A lot of them have rentals in NYC.


Posted by: David | August 4, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Christian sucks to be you knowing you could have won this election by double digits had you nominated hillary with her experience and all american looks.

Instead you nominated hussein obama.

Be prepared to lose. Sucks to be you with a candidate hussein obama.

Posted by: Hussein Obama | August 4, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

To eliot

Hsu was huge money. This guy donated 30,000. Nothing was illegal.

The guy isn't a rental. That is a place he rents in the city. He owns a wealthy home outside of the city.


Obama gets 30,000 donations all the time from wealthy donors at his fundraisers.


I'm sure lots of them have rentals in the city also.

There are expensive areas in queens by the way.


The difference is the left lies with impunity and has joke nutroot sites.

Posted by: David | August 4, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Christian America will never elect Rev Wright's protege.

Obama's poll numbers are collapsing.

Christian go to hell with your islamic candidate.

Posted by: David | August 4, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has received two million dollars from the oil industry, and now he want to give them a four Billion dollars tax break, when they are raking- in record profits on the shoulders of America. So, John McCain said, "Our dangerous dependence on foreign oil has been thirty years in the making, and was caused by the failure of politicians in Washington to think long-term about the future of the country." What John McCain neglected to mention was that during those thirty years, he was in Washington for twenty-six of them. And in all that time, he did little to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Not to mention, that out of the last twenty eight years, twenty of those years, our nation energy policies were manipulated by an oil man in the Whitehouse representing his party interest (George Sr.12 years. George Jr.8 years) that have all but destroyed our Country.
Here is some straight talk. When John McCain was running in the Republican primary he never mention or addressed anything about this nation energy problems. After the primary, he saw that Barack Obama energy position along with his other ideas was getting footage he flip-flopped, and quickly turned into Mitt Romney. The Straight Talk express at its best. Although Jack Cafferty is one of my favorite reporters in the media today, they are wrong! So here my question to you: Why do Jack Cafferty and others in the news media find it so amusing to report on Barack Obama supposedly flip-flopping and gaffes, when John McCain have twisted on more issues to have started a tornado with his silly shenanigans, then any Politician in recent history beside Mitt Romney, not to mention his long list of gaffes. Yet, they fail to give equal negative coverage. Can I be sensing media bias? After all, Barack Obama has received 72% negative coverage, when they have reported on him. WHY? America has to stop acting like they don't know the difference between right and wrong. Thus, John McCain campaign is represented by lies instead of real ideas!
Finally, there are those who say that John McCain's new ad depicts Barack Obama as trying to present himself as a messiah, well I beg to differ. I believe that John McCain new ad tries to depict Barack Obama as being as old as Moses, when John McCain himself is old enough to have been Moses childhood buddy!

Posted by: rod | August 4, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain is against drilling in anwr.

McCain voted against the bush-cheney energy bill that gave tax breaks to oil companies.

Obama voted for the bush-cheney energy bill that gave tax breaks to oil companies.


This election sucks. It is all about lies from the left.


Posted by: Mark | August 4, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, all you dead-ender Republicans who are just losing your sh*# knowing that McCain and your precious GOP is utterly DOOMED, and even more doomed in 2010 when more GOP seats are up for grabs. . . man, it is hilarious to hear your "Barack Husein Obama" whining howls. Whiners. Bunch of whiners. Where's your "permanent majority" now, eh?


I literally cannot wait to read the GOP whining in these pages every single week from all you sad sacks during every single day of the eight years of the Obama Presidency.

Sucks. To. Be. You.


. . . oh, and you all deserve what's coming.

Posted by: Christian in NYC | August 4, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

To Eliot the guy owns a home and rents in the city.

The guy isn't a renter he owns a wealthy home the rental is when he is in the city.

Posted by: Sean | August 4, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Hess donated money to the great messiah Obama too.

Hess was listed on a fundraiser a week before McCain talked about offshore drilling.

SeanBrian Rogers, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, said officials have gone back and examined the donations from the Hess Corporation, including from the Rocchios, but found nothing untoward


Posted by: Jeff | August 4, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Barak Hussein Obama voted for the tax cuts to big oil in 2005.

Barak Hussein Obama who is a muslim voted for the bush-cheney energy bill.

McCain voted against that bill and voted against the tax cuts to big oil.

Obama has gotten 400 grand from big oil.


Obama's whole father's side are muslims and he is quoted by a friend in indonesia to have been committed to islam.

Posted by: Jeff | August 4, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Sounds familiar ...

Remember last year when Norman Hsu was indicted on charges of FEC violations when it was found he bundled campaign contributions and then repaid donors for their donations? (some of the supposed donors were busboys, cooks, cashiers and dishwashers)

So, has the US Attorney's office started investigating HESSgate yet?

Posted by: eliot | August 4, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

JakeD has a habit of manufacturing facts. Very interesting number, $239,061.00. Where does it come from? Do a Google search on this number and only one site shows up, which has nothing to do with Obama. JakeD is a liar.

Posted by: Don | August 4, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

What you just said is being discussed on the talk shows. Mccain is not being told everything they are doing and he is also being lies to and kept in the dark by his own handlers. All they want to do is make it to the election with him then he can stroke out of all they care. Cheney will still be calling the shots from behind the scenes regardless what republican is elected.

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So what if Straight Talk gets illegal campaign contributions. He probably doesn't know about it because he's so old and kinda out of it, if you know what I mean. But he's a HERO and I certainly don't mean to disparage & etc. Willie Horton Lives!

Posted by: branfo4 | August 4, 2008 9:34 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

There is a strange phenomenon, whenever I show up JakeD disappears. He had been posting at a rate of more than four per hour and I show up and he becomes silent but may start up again later.

I do not have any campaign backing me with facts. I just know a dishonest person when I see him.

Posted by: Gator-ron | August 4, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

John (little hitler) Mccain has black reporters removed.

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http://floridacapitalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080802/CAPITOLNEWS/808020312

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

So what if Straight Talk gets illegal campaign contributions. He probably doesn't know about it because he's so old and kinda out of it, if you know what I mean. But he's a HERO and I certainly don't mean to disparage & etc. Willie Horton Lives!

Posted by: branfo4 | August 4, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

the issue is not how much is given, its what you will do for the money. McCain will stop his campaign and go to Washington to get oil rights for his supporters, even though there is no emergency since it will take aas much as ten years to develop those rights. McCain knows that if he does not get it for big oil this year, it will be more costly for them next year. McCain is a grunt for big oil.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Doug Kmiec an anti -abortion conservative thinks Obama is the right candidate president and he not McCain should choose the Supreme Court Justices. He was impressed by Obama's integrity.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/23/endorsing-obama.aspx

Integrity is no reason to consider when choosing a president, for JakeD, only whether he will pass JakeD's litmus test on abortion. Unscrupulous and proud of it, that's JakeD

Posted by: Gator-ron | August 4, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

excellent point. moreover, i believe "integrity is over rated" is also phil gramm's personal motto.

Posted by: wordup | August 4, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

You have expressed many times that integrity is over rated, so why should anyone believe what you say?

Posted by: Gator-ron | August 4, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

And, if anyone wants to discuss why Barack Hussein Obama took $239,061.00 from the Exelon Corporation -- and curiously changed his stance on nuclear energy -- please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

If the small excerpt I originally posted was not enough to convince reasonable readers -- anyone actually interested in civil debate -- that McCain is talking about "alternative energy" too, I provided even more detail. I thought that was what rational "debate" was all about? If the reasonable reader is still not convinced, please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

someone better tell those members of the Hess family that "John McCain Will Encourage The Market For Alternative, Low Carbon Fuels"; i'd imagine that they're going to want to get their $28,500 back.

Posted by: wordup | August 4, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

the troll needs mccain points so he can get mccain golf gear!

Posted by: wordup | August 4, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

From McCain's web site:

"Our nation's future security and prosperity depends on the next President making the hard choices that will break our nation's strategic dependence on foreign sources of energy and will ensure our economic prosperity by meeting tomorrow's demands for a clean portfolio. John McCain has made the necessary choices - producing more power, pushing technology to help free our transportation sector from its use of foreign oil, cleaning up our air and addressing climate change, and ensuring that Americans have dependable energy sources. John McCain will lead the effort to develop advanced transportation technologies and alternative fuels to promote energy independence and cut off the flow of oil wealth to repressive dictatorships like Iran.

"In recent days I have set before the American people an energy plan, the Lexington Project -- named for the town where Americans asserted their independence once before. And let it begin today with this commitment: In a world of hostile and unstable suppliers of oil, this nation will achieve strategic independence by 2025."

John McCain, June 25, 2008
Read the entire speech (at link below)

John McCain Believes In Promoting And Expanding The Use Of Our Domestic Supplies Of Natural Gas. When people are hurting, and struggling to afford gasoline, food, and other necessities, common sense requires that we draw upon America's own vast reserves of oil and natural gas. Within the United States we have tremendous reserves of natural gas. The Outer Continental Shelf alone contains 77 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas. It is time that we capitalize on these significant resources and build the infrastructure needed to transport this important component of electricity generation and transportation fuel around the country.

John McCain's Clean Car Challenge. John McCain will issue a Clean Car Challenge to the automakers of America, in the form of a single and substantial tax credit for the consumer based on the reduction of carbon emissions. He will commit a $5,000 tax credit for each and every customer who buys a zero carbon emission t car, encouraging automakers to be first on the market with these cars in order to capitalize on the consumer incentives. For other vehicles, a graduated tax credit will apply so that the lower the carbon emissions, the higher the tax credit.

John McCain Will Propose A $300 Million Prize To Improve Battery Technology For Full Commercial Development Of Plug-In Hybrid And Fully Electric Automobiles. A $300 million prize should be awarded for the development of a battery package that has the size, capacity, cost and power to leapfrog the commercially available plug-in hybrids or electric cars. That battery should deliver a power source at 30 percent of the current costs. At $300 million, the prize is one dollar for every man, woman and child in this country - and a small price to pay for breaking our dependence on oil.

John McCain Supports Flex-Fuel Vehicles (FFVs) And Believes They Should Play A Greater Role In Our Transportation Sector. In just three years, Brazil went from new cars sales that were about 5 percent FFVs to over 70 percent of new vehicles that were FFVs. American automakers have committed to make 50 percent of their cars FFVs by 2012. John McCain calls on automakers to make a more rapid and complete switch to FFVs.

John McCain Believes Alcohol-Based Fuels Hold Great Promise As Both An Alternative To Gasoline And As A Means of Expanding Consumers' Choices. Some choices such as ethanol are on the market right now. The second generation of alcohol-based fuels like cellulosic ethanol, which won't compete with food crops, are showing great potential.

John McCain Believes That The U.S. Must Become A Leader In A New International Green Economy. Green jobs and green technology will be vital to our economic future. There is no reason that the U.S. should not be a leader in developing and deploying these new technologies.

John McCain Will Commit $2 Billion Annually To Advancing Clean Coal Technologies. Coal produces the majority of our electricity today. Some believe that marketing viable clean coal technologies could be over 15 years away. John McCain believes that this is too long to wait, and we need to commit significant federal resources to the science, research and development that advance this critical technology. Once commercialized, the U.S. can then export these technologies to countries like China that are committed to using their coal - creating new American jobs and allowing the U.S. to play a greater role in the international green economy.

John McCain Will Put His Administration On Track To Construct 45 New Nuclear Power Plants By 2030 With The Ultimate Goal Of Eventually Constructing 100 New Plants. Nuclear power is a proven, zero-emission source of energy, and it is time we recommit to advancing our use of nuclear power. Currently, nuclear power produces 20% of our power, but the U.S. has not started construction on a new nuclear power plant in over 30 years. China, India and Russia have goals of building a combined total of over 100 new plants and we should be able to do the same. It is also critical that the U.S. be able to build the components for these plants and reactors within our country so that we are not dependent on foreign suppliers with long wait times to move forward with our nuclear plans.

John McCain Will Establish A Permanent Tax Credit Equal To 10 Percent Of Wages Spent On R&D. This reform will simplify the tax code, reward activity in the U.S., and make us more competitive with other countries. A permanent credit will provide an incentive to innovate and remove uncertainty. At a time when our companies need to be more competitive, we need to provide a permanent incentive to innovate, and remove the uncertainty now hanging over businesses as they make R&D investment decisions.

John McCain Will Encourage The Market For Alternative, Low Carbon Fuels Such As Wind, Hydro And Solar Power. According to the Department of Energy, wind could provide as much as one-fifth of electricity by 2030. The U.S. solar energy industry continued its double-digit annual growth rate in 2006. To develop these and other sources of renewable energy will require that we rationalize the current patchwork of temporary tax credits that provide commercial feasibility. John McCain believes in an even-handed system of tax credits that will remain in place until the market transforms sufficiently to the point where renewable energy no longer merits the taxpayers' dollars.

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

again, anyone who thinks "McCain is all for alternative energy", please contact me, because there's a KFC in Fallujah that i'd like to sell you.


Posted by: wordup | August 4, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Don:

Well, I dount that the $100 million for battery-technology is not coming from Cindy McCain's pocketbook ... you really want to start comparing Obama vs. McCain on unfunded mandates?

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Because they are "Has-Been" celebrities, just like Barack Obama will be next year ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: I'm glad he is for it, but how is he going to pay for funding it? Obama has a plan, McCain does not.

Posted by: Don | August 4, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

"Andy Warhol said we all get our 15 minutes of fame," says Barack Obama. "I've already had an hour and a half. I mean, I'm so overexposed, I'm making Paris Hilton look like a recluse."

That is pretty much the who and the why of Sen. McCain's explanation of his ad, is it not? It turns out he wasn't mocking Sen. Obama so much as channeling him.

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Jake, that's a pretty simplistic rendering of the aim of the ad. Your interpretation (or it's analysis) does not go far enough. It's the power of imagery and the connections possible when pairing them.

The question you should ask yourself is, why two white women? Why not white men or black women? Why couldn't McCain's handlers resist the temptation to use two white women knowing how inflammatory the images would be? I'm sure they knew what they were doing.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Don:

McCain is all for alternative energy -- from his website -- nuclear, battery-powered technology, wind, solar, etc.

http://www.johnmccain.com//Informing/Issues/17671aa4-2fe8-4008-859f-0ef1468e96f4.htm

John McCain Believes We Must Understand The Role Speculation Is Playing In Our Soaring Energy Prices Too Congress already has investigations underway to examine this kind of wagering in our energy markets, unrelated to any kind of productive commerce, because it can distort the market, drive prices beyond rational limits, and put the investments and pensions of millions of Americans at risk. John McCain believes that where we find abuses, they need to be swiftly punished. To make sure it never happens again, we must reform the laws and regulations governing the oil futures market, so that they are just as clear and effective as the rules applied to stocks, bonds, and other financial instruments.

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

don, please don't upset the troll by making a valid argument that is also relevant to the story.

Posted by: wordup | August 4, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

For the last 8 years Republicans have been rolling out the red carpet for oil companies. Everything they have done has been in the interest of higher oil profits. And now that the big oil companies are earning record profits and Americans are paying record prices at the pump, what do Republicans want to do next? Answer: give the oil companies more! Let them drill anywhere they want... as if the oil companies have an interest in discovering much more supply in order to make oil prices go down so that their profits decrease. That is Republican 'logic'. Unbelievable.

The Democrat solution: fund alternative energy so the oil companies actually have to compete, and then they can no longer milk the consumer for every cent he has with no consequences. I'm ready for change, how about you?

Posted by: Don | August 4, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

PhilTR:

Aimed at "intolerant bible-thumping whites"? Would all of this overwrought press hysteria be rendered even sillier were it to turn out that Sen. McCain was simply quoting Sen. Obama?

A February 24, 2005, Washington Post article begins:

There's nothing exotic or complicated about how phenoms are made in Washington, and, more to the point, how they are broken.

"Andy Warhol said we all get our 15 minutes of fame," says Barack Obama. "I've already had an hour and a half. I mean, I'm so overexposed, I'm making Paris Hilton look like a recluse."

That is pretty much the who and the why of Sen. McCain's explanation of his ad, is it not? It turns out he wasn't mocking Sen. Obama so much as channeling him. Either way, it is just another example of the elite media not liking a Leftist's own words being used against him in the court of public opinion.

Time magazine had the quote as well. From their Verbatim section: http://www.time.com/time/verbatim/20050228/5.html

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

It is evident that McCain will do *anything* to win. With Rove's guidance McCain has decended to unprcedent lows as evident with the racist 'rock-star' ad where he pairs images of a black man with inages of two free spirited white women which was clearly aimed at intolerant bible-thumping whites. At the moment he'd need a step-ladder to touch a snake's belley. I suspect he'll need a 38' construction ladder before election day.

Posted by: PhilTR | August 4, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

All "I need to know" is the chances Roe v. Wade gets overturned with Obama as President = ZERO.

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"$olidly" except for that pesky $394,465.00 oil & gas industry employees gave to Obama, right? Not to mention Exelon Corporation, etc.

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Who could have imagined that in eight years, two former OIL MEN at the national helm would deliver record profits to the oil producers and double the price at the pump?

Now, to retain what had been gained under Bush/Cheney. those companies are $olidly in the corner of John Sidney McCain III. That's all I need to know.

Posted by: AtltoPDX | August 4, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

for those who think getting money "employees of big oil companies" is the same as getting multiple 5-figure donations from "eight Hess Corporation execs and/or Hess family members" in the same week, i have some land i'd like to sell you.

Posted by: wordup | August 4, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama is offering $ 1,000. dollars and Mccain wants us to wait for 7-10 years before a drop of oil is produced. Which idea will help you now?

Posted by: Blake | August 4, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama is offering $ 1,000. dollars and Mccain wants us to wait for 7-10 years before a drop of oil is produced. Which idea will help you now?

Posted by: Blake | August 4, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama is offering $ 1,000. dollars and Mccain wants us to wait for 7-10 years before a drop of oil is produced. Which idea will help you now?

Posted by: Blake | August 4, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why the pundits are saying Mccain has an edge on the energy policy when it would take 7-10 years before a drop of oil is produced. Besides, If republicans were really concerned about helping ordinary Americans at the pump why didn't they take those available leases the oil companies had to drill on before they left for recess? I don't hear any answers to Why aren't the oil companies drilling on the offshore leases they have? If Republicans are so concerned with the American people why their not supporting Obama's idea to give Americans a $1,000 dollars to help with gas prices from the oil companies profits? Republicans are always protecting the oil companies. The Republicans don't want the oil companies taxed, they make excuses for their record breaking profits as less than what it actually is because they reinvest. Why are Republicans so concerned? Do Republicans really want to help average Americans with high gas prices or are they in the tank with big oil companies and their lobbyist? I'll rather take the $1,000. dollars Obama is offering than waiting 7-10 years for Mccain to produce a drop of oil, if we should be so lucky. The $1,000 dollars is definately something that can help now.

Posted by: Janice | August 4, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why the pundits are saying Mccain has an edge on the energy policy when it would take 7-10 years before a drop of oil is produced. Besides, If republicans were really concerned about helping ordinary Americans at the pump why didn't they take those available leases the oil companies had to drill on before they left for recess? I don't hear any answers to Why aren't the oil companies drilling on the offshore leases they have? If Republicans are so concerned with the American people why their not supporting Obama's idea to give Americans a $1,000 dollars to help with gas prices from the oil companies profits? Republicans are always protecting the oil companies. The Republicans don't want the oil companies taxed, they make excuses for their record breaking profits as less than what it actually is because they reinvest. Why are Republicans so concerned? Do Republicans really want to help average Americans with high gas prices or are they in the tank with big oil companies and their lobbyist? I'll rather take the $1,000. dollars Obama is offering than waiting 7-10 years for Mccain to produce a drop of oil, if we should be so lucky. The $1,000 dollars is definately something that can help now.

Posted by: Janice | August 4, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why the pundits are saying Mccain has an edge on the energy policy when it would take 7-10 years before a drop of oil is produced. Besides, If republicans were really concerned about helping ordinary Americans at the pump why didn't they take those available leases the oil companies had to drill on before they left for recess? I don't hear any answers to Why aren't the oil companies drilling on the offshore leases they have? If Republicans are so concerned with the American people why their not supporting Obama's idea to give Americans a $1,000 dollars to help with gas prices from the oil companies profits? Republicans are always protecting the oil companies. The Republicans don't want the oil companies taxed, they make excuses for their record breaking profits as less than what it actually is because they reinvest. Why are Republicans so concerned? Do Republicans really want to help average Americans with high gas prices or are they in the tank with big oil companies and their lobbyist? I'll rather take the $1,000. dollars Obama is offering than waiting 7-10 years for Mccain to produce a drop of oil, if we should be so lucky. The $1,000 dollars is definately something that can help now.

Posted by: Janice | August 4, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"It's the timing, stupid" of when McCain got those checks from big oil.

Obama got $400,000 from employees of big oil companies over the past 2 years but his policies do not reflect any oil company interests.

McCain, on the other hand, received $1.1 million right AFTER he proposed his off-shore drilling as a solution.

It looks like McCain is now beholding to the oil companies.

Posted by: Michelle | August 4, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"playa:

What have I "lied" about?"


"Did you so note every time some liberal here called
the Attorney General " Speedy Gonzales"? I didn't
think so. Since I have admitted to that, yes, I did
vote for JFK and, being Catholic myself, I've got
plenty of funny Catholic jokes.

Comment by Jake -- March 19, 2007 @ 1:18 pm"

"Southern Baptist here too -- we are going to have to
agree to disagree that Bush is anywhere close to a
KING though (for instance, we know, worse case
scenario, his term ends January 20, 2009 ; )

Comment by Jake -- March 26, 2007 @ 4:33 pm"

Posted by: wordup | August 4, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Two of Obama's major bundlers are CEO's of oil companies, also Obama has received contributions Exxon Mobil, Hess, Shell, Conoco Phillips, Chevron and BP. While looking up this info, I came across this tidbit: In 2005 Obama voted for the so-called Class Action Fairness Act of 2005. Three days before this vote, l4 state attorneys general filed a letter pleading to stop passage of this corporate giveaway. There was also a plea from more than 40 civil rights and labor organizations including the NAACP, saying: under this Act, citizens are denied the right to use their won state courts to bring class actions against corporations.... This legislation dramatically impaired labor rights, consumer rights and civil rights, involved pressure from 100 corporations, 475 lobbyists, tens of millions of corporate dollars buying influence in our government and the active participation of the Wall Street firms NOW funding the OBAMA's Campaign. Voting against that 2005 Act was Clinton, Biden, Kerry, Reid, Leahy, Feingold, Boxer and l9 other democrats. But not OBama, he voted for it. Today, I heard him say he now approves using our oil reserves. That was Hillary Clinton's proposal which Obama laughed at in May 2008. President Clinton used the reserves in 2000 to bring down oil prices. Obama had scoffed at it. The difference is Obama waits until something happens which is reactive. Hillary Clinton in 2007 foresaw the mortgage debacle and wanted to circumvent the problems now facing many homeowners and companies. When are Obama's supporters going to wake up and see him for what he really is: A typical Chicago politician.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

The title of this article is very misleading. Based on the content, it ought to refer to the support of BOTH candidates by oil companies/executives.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes, JakeD, if the oil industry execs give Obama $1 million in the span of a week in lumps of $28K each, then you'd be stupid not to scrutinize it.

McCain's case is a quid pro quo. He flipped on off-shore drilling; he got a rush of oil industry donations--some of which were funneled through people who clearly can't afford that kind of money, like the office manager and her husband who works for Amtrak.

Posted by: carolinagirl | August 4, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Left Keeps Hammering McCain on Oil Ties?

How about everything else too!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_epidemic

If he's part of that Phoenix/Vegas/LA underworld economy then there has to be a lot of dirt on him.

Now his trip to Colombia makes sense. And his meeting with Bush in Mexico.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

So, if oil & gas industry employees donate $1 million to Obama (in a week from his switching on off-shore drilling), then we can start scrutinizing those donors too? Why not just start with Exelon Corp. donations in the meantime?

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The issue isn't even the amount McCain is taking in from big oil - though that too should tell us his priorities - it's the fact that this couple in Queens do not seem likely to have the bucks to donate $60K to a political campaign. It stinks to high heaven. It should be investigated.

Posted by: Jason | August 4, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, if you can find an instance where Obama reversed himself to take a position favorable to an industry then WITHIN A WEEK received more than $1 million from that industry, I'd say you're on to something.

That's what happened with McCain and Big Oil. A Hess oil company office manager (and her Amtrak worker husband) gave $57,000 to McCain at the same time Hess oil execs did within a week of his call for off shore drilling is more than suspicious!

This stinks to high heaven!

Posted by: carolinagirl | August 4, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

OMG imagine a GOPER taking big bucks from the Oil companies?? Say it ain't so!

Posted by: Sue F | August 4, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

OMG imagine a GOPER taking big bucks from the Oil companies?? Say it ain't so!

Posted by: Sue F | August 4, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

As far as donations go, given that McCain allegedly married into the mafia, you can expect him to get pretty solid support from the underground cash economy in the Vegas/Phoenix/LA area.

Liquor business, night clubs, casinos, rackets...

Cold, hard cash. And favors.

And he was friends with Reagan, huh? When the Iran/Contra/Crack thing went down, I wonder whose network was running the crack to LA...

I bet Don Bolles is turning over in his grave.

Posted by: Corruption Anonymous | August 4, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

RollaMO:

Thanks for the stock update. Have you heard of Exelon Corp.?

drossless:

No, that's no my point -- I simply want the same standard applied to Obama donors -- see my posts to playa, below.

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

playa:

What have I "lied" about? I am simply saying it's only fair to sructinize all of Obama's donations too. Shall we just start with those donors who gave him the max $2300 amount? Do they all own homes and are they "able" to financially give? This is a very slippery slope you are suggesting we head down.

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

BTW JakeD, Hess' stock is down 8% today - somebody's worried about an investigation.

Posted by: RollaMO | August 4, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, Obama has raised a lot more money than McCain, and a much lower dollar amount of it is from oil and gas. Which would mean that a much smaller *percentage* of Obama's contributions come from the industry. According to jakeD's list, they don't even make the top 20 -- although I see those dastardly retirees are #2 on his list, tsk, tsk.

So, JakeD, your point is that Obama is much less beholden to oil & gas interests than McCain is? Because that's what your data proves, and I think that's what Obama is saying, too.

Posted by: drossless | August 4, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RollaMO | August 4, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

JakeD...y9ou're just a liar. The issue is not how much money which candidate got...it's about bending the rules to donate more to a candidate. I don't believe for a moment that an office manager and her foreman husband could donate over $60,000 to a candidate even if they wanted to, It's obviously John Hess donating the money because he's maxed out and he's your average republican with no scrupples.

Posted by: playa | August 4, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Plantiffs lawyers recognize a crook and want to steer clear of anybody who has false advertisements like McCain.

Posted by: Ronnn | August 4, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

What's good for the goose ...

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

playa:

Just in the interest of full disclosure, in order to be "fair and balanced" ; )

Top Industries, Barack Obama

Many presidential candidates receive the bulk of their funds from the same industries and Washington-based interest groups that dominate giving to all federal politicians and parties. Beyond this, some candidates receive sizable amounts from industries that make up the economic base of their home state. From this table, you can get a flavor of which are the top industries giving to Barack Hussein Obama:

1 Lawyers/Law Firms $20,722,629
2 Retired $19,202,876
3 Securities & Investment $8,905,777
4 Education $8,784,068
5 Business Services $5,875,124
6 Real Estate $5,816,677
7 Health Professionals $5,224,639
8 TV/Movies/Music $4,701,382
9 Misc Business $3,955,793
10 Computers/Internet $3,729,991
11 Misc Finance $3,567,152
12 Civil Servants/Public Officials $3,290,319
13 Printing & Publishing $3,035,622
14 Democratic/Liberal $2,837,623
15 Commercial Banks $1,883,058
16 Other $1,822,972
17 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $1,419,892
18 Non-Profit Institutions $1,314,849
19 Construction Services $1,254,656
20 Insurance $1,144,386

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Office Manager and Track Foreman donate $60,000?!? We should have the US attorney look into that....oh wait! They were appointed after they answered Monica Goodling's employment questionnaire properly, "What is it about George Bush that makes you want to SERVE HIM!!!" I guess there won't be any investigations after all, move along folks, nothing here to see. Just a Track Foreman and his Office Manager wife donating $60 grand to the Presidential candidate of their (company's) choice. Happens everyday, yup, believe it! Serve HIM!

Posted by: thebob.bob | August 4, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

JakeD....This is about so called straight talker McCain's unethical behavior. Why bring in Obama to muddle the subject? If this is true, McCain is a crook regardless of what Obama did.

Posted by: playa | August 4, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Plaintiff lawyers (and their office managers / secretaries) have given more to Obama than to McCain -- check out OpenSecrets.org -- so what?

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

We need to investigate how an office manager, driver and Amtrak foreman can donate the maximum amount ($2,300) to a candidate (A total of $6,900). People in this salary bracket rarely give over a few hundred dollars. This smells really bad. Can anyone say 'Keating 5'?

Posted by: playa | August 4, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I want a job as an office manager for the Hess Corporation! It must by really well for people in a rented home to dontate over $60,000 to the Gray Old Party! Maybe Alice Rocchio is related to Cindy McCash and will haul in another $17,000,000 when the Europeans buy Budweiser....but remember, its Obama who is "elitist" code for uppity.

Posted by: The Grumpy Old Man | August 4, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

This is illegal. Pure and simple.

Unless secretaries and amtrack workers can now afford to donate $60,000... and these people don't even own their own home... this was money given to them by Hess to give to McCain.

And that's illegal.

These are the powers the American people are up against.

These are the people that lied us into an oil war in Iraq.

These are the people who are making the profits right now while the American economy burns.

That's McCain's real base, just as it was Bush's.

Posted by: James McDouglas | August 4, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain's connections are fair game. He's advocating policies that would help oil companies dramatically, so why not investigate any ties he has to those same companies?

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | August 4, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

dan:

Did you see how much oil & gas money Obama has received? Are you for the same, exact scrutiny there too?

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

the above poster is right, that's a weird headline/spin to put on this article. Talking Points Memo points out that no less than 10 Hess employees maxed out their contributions to McCain and the RNC on the SAME DAY, including at least two employees who are very unlikely to have $28.5K just lying around. It has the look of a coordinated campaign, ordered by Hess execs, and possibly including some illegal money shifting to skirt campaign finance rules. Worth looking into in any case, and not a "left" or "liberal" issue.

the TPM stories are here: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/oil_company_executives.php

worth a read.

dt

Posted by: dan tynan | August 4, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Just what we need. Another prostitute for the oil industry.

If McCain actually manages to win this, say hello to unending war for oil.

You'd think Americans would have learned their lessons about Republicans by now.

The rest of the world has.

Posted by: James McDouglas | August 4, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain is so deep in this oil business that even his Ties are made of Oils!?

Sheesh.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I like it here in San Diego too much, thank you though.

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I see FakeJakeD, you are just like your liberal pig Senator running for President - you take both sides, pile on the praise for your candidate and everyonce in a while sprinkle some criticism in the hope that we wont notice, right?

So you are playing both sides, like claiming to be a conservative retired lawyer, but you claim to live in San Diego in one of the most liberal states of the country.

If you are such a staunch "conservative" then move to Oklahoma, but I digress, you'll continue to play the two-faces to your own convinience.

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The fact that I point out Barack Hussein Obama received $394,465.00 from oil and gas interests -- a stat the Obama ad doesn't mention -- makes me a "liberal pig"? LOL

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

My name is JakeD, HEAR MY ROOOOAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Shut up FakeJakeD, you liberal pig!

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"... OpenSecrets.org show[s] John McCain receiving $1,332,033 from oil and gas interests from the start of his presidential campaign through June 30. (On the same page, we show Barack Obama receiving $394,465, a stat the Obama ad doesn't mention, not surprisingly.) In McCain's case, that's well below the $2 million that Obama is trying to pin on him. So where does that number come from?

It appears the Obama campaign is adding our data from January 2007 through May 2008 (our total then was about $1 million) to a total for June fundraising from oil/gas interests that was reported in the Washington Post on July 27. The Post reported that McCain and the Republican National Committee's Victory Fund raised $1.1 million in June alone from oil and gas executives.

The Victory Fund is a joint fundraising committee that collects large contributions and slices off portions for McCain, the Republican National Committee and various state parties. Not all of the money the Victory Fund collects ends up in McCain's campaign account, although it's all intended to support his candidacy. In CRP's tallies of industry money to McCain, we include only money that's earmarked for his campaign account. (And by that measure, we calculate that he collected $271,265 from oil/gas interests in June, not $1.1 million.)

The Obama campaign's method for calculating the total amount that McCain's campaign has collected from the oil and gas industry may result in some double-counting. Money earmarked for McCain will show up twice on campaign finance reports -- once by the joint fundraising committee and again by the McCain campaign when the money is transferred in -- but it should be counted only once. It will take some time to sort out how much of the cash in this case is double-counted.

By CRP's count, the Victory Fund has collected $976,350 through June from oil/gas interests. It's hard to know how much of that is already included in the $1.3 million that CRP says McCain has collected. If none of the money were double-counted, the total would be about $2.3 million -- $300,000 more than Obama's ad says McCain got.

So what's the bottom line? According to the Center for Responsive Politics -- that's us -- John McCain's campaign had collected $1.3 million from oil and gas interests through June. If you add in the money being collected by the Republican Party to support McCain's candidacy, the total figure could be $2 million, as Obama's campaign claims, or it could be a little less or a little more. But until the accounting is sorted out between the McCain campaign and the Victory Fund, we can't put a precise dollar figure on it.

Good luck fitting all of this into a 30-second TV ad."

http://opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/here-in-the-centers-press.html

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Why is a story about oil companies and their employees donating large sums to McCain getting the "Left" and "Left-leaning interest groups" angle? I'm an independent, more conservative in some things than I'm sure some of McCain's supporters are. How much influence are oil companies having on McCain? Could this office manager at Hess really afford to be donating over $60,000? Those don't seem to be left-right issues. Are you following up on the Rocchio story?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Daddio:

So, Obama did not take any money from the Exelon Corporation?

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

McSleazy loves big oil...they have billions to give to PACs and under the table projects run by GOP operatives.

Obama has no ties to big anything.

Posted by: Daddio | August 4, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I've never heard of Hess Oil. Don't tell me that Obama has received NO money from employees of Big Oil?

Posted by: JakeD | August 4, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I thought that Obama was thinking about about adopting the tboonpickens plan? He should, so should McCain. I read the article about Obama and the boone pickens plan at?? http://www.tboonpickens.com I cant figure out which one of these two Im voting for., Im hoping a third party candidate will surge so I can get behind another candidate other then these two. I would of Voted for Huckabee, Clinton, or Ron Paul. Geesh. I think Paul is thinking about running on the LP ticket. http://www.BarrPaul08.com , I just cant bring my self to vote for McCain. He seems like his age might be wearing on him a bit. The last thing we want is for McCain to end up a puppet., like hes already showing signs of. Did you see where that reporter stumped him and he just sat there not saying a word for like 2 minutes??? Unreal. Or the clip of him cussing, man what a potty mouth. LOL I think the video was at http://www.McCanes.com This election season is just one big dissapointment after another. The only that makes it worth watching is the candidates gaffs and antics.

Posted by: Peter | August 4, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

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