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McCain to Georgian President: "Today, We Are All Georgians"


Sen. John McCain speaks during a town hall meeting, Aug. 12, 2008, at the York Expo Center in York, Pa. (AP/Mary Altaffer)

By Robert Barnes
YORK, Pa. -- Sen. John McCain said he talked with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili this morning and told him he and his country have the support of Americans in their struggle for "freedom and independence.''

McCain considers himself a close friend and fervent supporter of Saakashvili and Georgia, and has taken a hard line against Russia since hostilities between the two countries began last week. He told a town hall meeting here today that Russia's aggression had ominous implications.

"The impact of Russian actions goes beyond their threat to democratic Georgia,'' McCain said. "Russia used violence against Georgia to send a signal to any country that chooses to associate with the West.

"We must make clear to Russian leaders that the benefits they enjoy from being part of the civilized world require respect for the values, stability and peace of that world.''

A McCain spokeswoman said McCain initiated today's call, but that the two men speak frequently.

McCain told the audience that Saakashvili "knows that the thoughts and prayers and support of the American people are with that brave little nation as they struggle today for their freedom and independence. He wanted me to say thank you, to give you his heartfelt thanks for the support of the American people."

McCain said he told him "that I know I speak for every American when I say to him today, we are all Georgians.''

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I would sooner put a bullet into my brain than allow the scumbag McCain to speak for me. Furthermore, the person who said Georgia (USA) speaks for the South has it wrong. I love Georgia-USA but I wouldn't let them speak for me either. I know how to think for myself.

Posted by: deaudonnee | August 18, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chicago, these wars were already waging when we entered them to save the nations of Europe and Asia. Eisenhower sent the first troops to Vietnam, Nixon was calling North Vietnam on the phone before he was elected. Should have been charged with treason. You are a typical neo-con, get your story straight before you print it. whiteagle38

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

McScrewball, you might be a Georgian, but I am an American. And, you senile old piece of feces, you do not speak for me under any circumstance.

Posted by: caliguy55 | August 15, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

In order to capitalize on this event and display strenght ,it is clear this has been the biggest miscalculation by Mc Cain, and might be irreparably damaging for his presidential bid. You can argue that his 'scare tactics' painting Obama as a 'dangerous' choice has somehow worked with some of the voters, but he has probably here subliminally raised an even scarier prospect, nuclear war and make himself a lot more 'dangerous' in the eyes of many of his own supporters or leaners.

Mc Cain and his campaign just realized it and is trying now to undo the damage, but it's too late…

Posted by: ES NYC | August 13, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Correction: I don't get liberals who forget 911 occured and that KGB lead Russia wants to control region...Please google search number of Obama flip-flops

Posted by: harold | August 13, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Russia wants to control region. Also, google search: McCain vs. Obama on Georgian crisis; I don't get liberals who pretend 911 never occured or that KGB lead number of Obama's flip-flops; income earners paying highest % of taxes; Tiger Woods would pay 57% of winnings under Obama's tax plan rather than 43%; Californians would pay 63% under Obama; 76% of ALL americans want to drill,Obama does not.Or does he now?; Obama removes statement "troop surge will never work" from his website; conservatives are happier,more giving,have less suicides,value marriage,want children,value caring for elderly family members(70% vs 38%)& liberals are more hateful according to many survey studies; I suppose most liberals would agree with Alan Colmes that,"it does'nt matter who Obama associates with" in reference to terrorist William Ayers, racist Jerimiah Wright & Father Flager, felon Tony Rezko, etc...(wonder what people/media say if McCain had these ties? Whenever some of our sons friends(ages 18-24) say "it does'nt matter who Obama associates with" my wife asks,"Oh really? It does'nt matter to you? Well, does it matter to you who your spouse or family associates with?" It's funny to see them get quiet and the blank "deer in the headlights" expression comes over their face. Our 12 year old gets a laugh when liberals call into Hannity/Limbaugh spewing hatred & can never make a point. He says he can picture them "running in circles singing and shouting like that chicken little Al Gore." PLEASE google; Al Gore gas guzzler;gore makes 100 million on global warming;gore spends $20,000 to "green" house & energy consumtion increases 10%;gores private jet(1997 G4)uses more fuel(carbon footprint)than ANY other jet; as gore tells ya'll to be good boys & girls & peddle your bikes more,HE will be climbing into Escalades/Tahoes...along with Hawaii & Calif. New York liberals are now spending YOUR tax money (taking food from YOUR liberal tables) to buy make-up,special boy/girl underwear,shaving supplies and giving special living quarters to jailed transgenders.I hope you and your friends feel good about going to work & take less money home to your familys for this.AND please explain the democratic school board & liberal judges in California ruling its illegal to home-school your child? Hmmm... is this the same party that wants a woman to have the choice whether or not to have a child yet does'nt a woman to have the right where to send a child to school? Lastly, search partial/full term abortion procedures and you will find there is one,yes ONE senator who favors full term abortion..hint: he is from Illinois... the dem party & its candidate is a litle too heavy for me. These are just a few of my favorite things you don't get from mainstream media...

Posted by: harold | August 13, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain decidely does not speak for Americans in fatuously declaring that we are all Georgians now. McCain is not president (and God willing he never will be). He was arrogant and presumptuous to pretend to be something he is not.

The Georgians foolishly launched an attack against Russia which allowed Russia to pursue its old intentions of expanding its empire. There is no need for the U.S. to get its overstretched military involved in yet another murky war.

McCain is a war-monger whose only response to any crisis is to cry for more war. This man is lacking in information, intelligence, imagination, insight, and balance. He is not qualified to be president because he wishes to launch our nation into another dangerous situation without proper investigation of the diplomatic solutions to the situation.

McCain seat-of-the-pants approach to world affairs is a danger to our nation and his arrogant saber-rattling is clearly un-American at its core.

Posted by: dee | August 13, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

What are we waiting for, launch the nukes and get it over with, it's not like things are getting any better anywhere on this planet.

Posted by: Wisco | August 13, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Voters Beware!!! Bush & the Neocans had the self-serving Ahmed Chalabi as a source of "intelligence" in putting together Disaster Iraq. NOW McCain has a former lobbyist for Georgia advising him on the Georgia-Russia crisis. So a rogue independent contractor - a Chalabi/Abramoff clone with Georgian connections - is able to replace the CIA and State Department in McCain's hot spot planning? Enough already!!!

Posted by: Nancy | August 13, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Yeah John, we're all Georgians now and we all get our information aboout world geopolitics from Wikipedia to make up for our lack of knowledge on the subject. At least one of your top foreign policy advisers is part owner of a lobbying firm that provides strategic advice to the Georgian government. That's a good thing, right John?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/11/13382/2367/240/566223

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I guess we can name the USA Georgia now! Or we can all move to Georgia.

Posted by: Buddy | August 13, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Yet another example of McCain's idiotic sloganeering - the same garbage that convinced Saakashvili that he could invade South Ossetia in the first place and have America back him up - which we won't, and still won't.

Do we really need another neocon aggresor president who's word is garbage? NO. Vote Obama...

Posted by: edsbowlingshoe | August 13, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, no McSame, I'm not Georgian!

Posted by: If Not Atlanta, I'm not Georgian | August 13, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Some of you people just don't get it. Your president has killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and and-Americans, illegally. Don't you see how silly it is for Any potential President to judge Russia. And more of your Heroic men and women will still die from the pollution of the ultimate illegal strike against Iraq. Your President says Russia is not a super power, Test them. There is enough ammo to destroy this Planet 20 times over. Our friends, our neighbors, wake up. Forget about stupid media and look at the facts. Just an older Canadian who wants to make up for my stupid mistakes and greed. We all did it to our younger generation, big time. All for oil, to hell with international laws, it is done, your President fixed that big time, and our Prime Minister did not help much. Someone, prove me wrong, I can take it. May we all be blessed by some god? It is getting so close to election Day for you all, and the the world is watching us and laughing, but what is there to laugh about. All of us, or should I say the irrelevant issues of today. Their might be a chance for change, and enough of the dam stupid media in Canada and the U.S of A. It still is we the People, Yes, No?? We still need each other more than anything , yes, no?

Posted by: justada55+ | August 13, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

"brave little Nation.."

:(

Posted by: kat in your hat | August 13, 2008 5:15 AM | Report abuse

Talk about revisionist history, a person noted Democrats who had started wars and mentioned Wilson, as well as FDR. I learned Germany, not Wilson, was responsible for submarines sinking American ships that led to United States entry into World War I. Also, I thought Germany and Japan were guilty of starting World War II, not FDR.

In terms of Truman, who usually had the same simplistic perspective, us vs. them mentality, as Bush II and McCain, he was partly responsible for the Korean War being as costly as it was. Kennedy and Johnson were to blame for a completely unnecessary war in Vietnam, but their intervention was preceded by errors of that guy Truman again and Ike. Nixon also continued the war into the beginning of his second term.

GOP strategy for McCain to win is simple: dupe enough ignorant and guillible voters, through fearmongering, distortion, lies and stupid propaganda, such as offshore oil drilling will solve this nation's energy needs, as well as substantially reduce gas prices. This strategy was successful in the Congressional eelctions six years ago and helping Bush win four years ago.

Barack is disappointing in how he has become a conventional politican in only a few months. With his flip flops he is hardly a credible candidate for needed progressive changes. His foreign policy pronouncements are Bush lite belligerence.
However, a somewhat inexperienced leader, who is far more intelligent and offers some viable solutions to domestic problems is still better than a more "experienced" leader, who has the wrong ideas on nearly all important issues and whose bellicose rhetoric belies his claims of having sound judgment.

Posted by: Independent | August 13, 2008 3:03 AM | Report abuse

Americans aren't going to be swayed by the Republicans and their fear tactics (Iran, Russia etc) this year. The Republicans and their idiot President W have made things so bad that people are more concerened now with basic things like being able to buy groceries and paying their mortgage/rent payments on time. McCain offers us more of the same that we got from Bush...tax cuts for the richest Americans, big oil companies and big corporations and of course "100 years in Iraq/bomb bomb Iran".


The Democratic Party and its candidates sell confidence, hope and a challenge that if America pulls together it is strong, but when divided by the fear-selling Republicans, America is weak.

FDR led the United States to confront its fears and problems, to confront the Germans, Italians and Japanese, to defeat both the Great Depression and World War II. Eisenhower led a united nation and created the greatest public works program in the history of Man, the interstate highway system.

JFK challenged us to put a man on the moon in 10 years, it took nine.

The Republicans would have Americans cower in their basement with duct tape, or stir up hatred in our nation of immigrants for . . . immigrants, instead of working to actually solve the problems. The Republicans will gin up fear of terrorists or weapons of mass destruction as a pretense for a war against a nation that was not being belligerent with the United States or its neighbors, as a ruse to take control of a nation's natural resources.

It is time for Americans to tell the Republicans that we will no longer buy the fear that they are selling, and that we will approach the future confidently, ready to confront the challenges that face us today. In our time we can see the time when AIDS and other serious illnesses can be controlled or eradicated. We can, will and must change the way we fuel our activities. We can, will and must change the momentum of the increase of, then reverse the accumulation of greenhouse gases which threaten our planet. We can, will and must find new sources of potable water for our planet.

We must tell the Republicans that we will no longer buy the fear they sell. If America does that, the Republicans will go down to a massive defeat.

It is time to renounce fear and go out and kick some Republican arse this fall...or settle for four more years of failed Bush policies under John McCain.

OBAMA-08!

Posted by: astral99 | August 13, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

While Russian was attacking Georgia, GW Bush was chatting up with Putty-Pu in Beijing. Apparently Putin told him he was annexing Georgia and Bush didn't have the balls to stand up to him. Bush in turn, hung out with nba stars and beach volley ball players so as not to disrespect the Chinese.

What a spineless piece of crap he is!

Posted by: Peter | August 13, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Yes, John McCain, we are all "Georgians" - we're with them all the way - in spirit! I'm sure that is so very comforting for them to hear your words.

Never mind that their leader is an idiot who started a war that any fool could have predicted would ruin his country.

And what, pray tell, would you, as a "Georgian," Mr. McCain, do to help them? Maybe they've got an old plane you could fly to shoot down some Russkies? Try not to crash it.

Or you could try to throw the Russians out of the G-8, as you've been threatening. That will go over really big with the Europeans who get a quarter of their natural gas, and lots of oil, from Russia.

Is it always obligatory for our Republican leaders to sound like blustering idiots? If we elect this buffoon it will prove we are not worthy of superpower status.

Posted by: Chuck | August 13, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Putin's fault? Not this time. Saakashvili overplayed his hand by making a military move in South Ossetia.

Putin is a good card (or chess) player, but we have a stronger hand. Then again, Bush has helped Putin immensely by waging war against Iraq. Inflaming tensions in the gulf drives oil prices and arm sales up, helping Russia, which has a much narrower economic base than we do.

Bush, in helping his big oil and war economy friends, has strengthened Putin's hand.

McCain doesn't get- and he'd be Bush on steroid. Putin, knowing this, and being the good chess player that he is, is putting it around that he's afraid of McCain, the predictable hawk.

They never saw Reagan coming- that was his strength. And they won't figure out Obama until its too late. And we will have rebuilt our economy and decreased our dependence on foreign oil.

The Russians are smart, but we have a better hand. And we need to start playing it right.

Posted by: JR, Boston | August 13, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Is there anything that McCain stands for that he hasn't flip-flopped and pandered on already?

I don't even recognize the John McCain of 2008, is he going senile?


-McCain is the McSame as Bush - On tax cuts...

In 2001, McCain voted against Bush's tax cuts, saying "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief." He also voted against additional tax cuts in 2003, later saying that "I just thought it was too tilted to the wealthy, and I still do."
*Today, McCain wants to make Bush's tax cuts for the rich permanent*


-McCain is the McSame as Bush - On immigration...

In 2005, McCain supported comprehensive immigration reform, which included a pathway to citizenship.
*Now, McCain claims that "if his original proposal came to a vote on the Senate floor, he would not vote for it."*


-McCain is the McSame as Bush - On abortion and Roe v. Wade...

In 1999, McCain said that he would not support overturning Roe v. Wade "in the short term, or even the long term," because that would "force X number of women in America" to undergo "illegal and dangerous operations."
*Today, McCain has campaigned on overturning Roe v. Wade*


-McCain - On his revisionist history regarding Donald Rumsfeld...

In 2004, McCain refused to call for Rumsfeld's resignation, saying that Bush "can have the team around him that he wants around him." In 2006, retired generals called for Rumseld's resignation, but McCain did not.
*Now, while running for president, McCain has claimed that "I’m the only one that said that Rumsfeld had to go."*


-McCain is the McSame as Bush - On torture...

McCain has traditionally been against torture, citing his experience as a POW for his decision.
*Now, McCain voted last month "against a bill that would require the Central Intelligence Agency to abide by the restrictions on interrogating prisoners outlined in the Army Field Manual."*


Ever since McCain started running for President (the last two years) he has missed more votes in the Senate than any other Senator and when he has bothered to show up and vote he has voted in lockstep with the Bush Neocon agenda.

McCain's pro Bush voting record:
2005: 81%
2006: 86%
2007: 95%
2008: 100% - so far this year


Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | August 12, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

The oil is that goes through Georgia goes to the EU.

Perhaps it is all their fault for still using oil. After all, they actually buy oil from Russia, that is why they wanted the pipeline through Georgia, to give them some independence from Russia.

Georgia wants to be friendlier with the west, as do others of the old soviet block countries. They should not have to succumb to Russia's will or fear military attacks.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Putin had alot more to do with this the Bush or McCain. Putin is convinced that the Russia should not have given up the control of the regions that were the USSR. Putin is willing to open up the USSR to capitalism, but not open up its government. It is still, in many ways, the old Russia still. That is why the cold war went on so long, war had to be avoided, but both sides staying strong enough that the other avoided out and out conflict.

Our drilling our own oil would help, as would other western countries working more towards energy independence. Bush's or McCain's fault? No more then it was every other governments fault. Putin is responsible. Why should others bear the blame for his actions?


Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

oh good.... more bomb, bomb, bomb jokes. Wait doesn't Russia have missiles too?

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | August 12, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Further, Republicans fought tooth and nail against Carter's idea of energy independence. Why? Politics and narrow business interests, pure and simple. After the oil crisis of '73 we had business pursuing energy independence then.

Bush played right into Putin's hands: high oil prices and more military tensions have made the core of the US economy weaker and the Russian economy stronger. McCain thinks he's so smart, but he doesn't understand that basic fact.

There is no reason we can't have peace and prosperity in this country. Out with the narrow business interests. In with the long-term vision for a truly stronger America.

I don't blame the people who are not smart enough to understand America's strategic interests. I blame the people who knew better and sold America out. I blame Reagan, Bush, the Texas oil guys, and their whole greedy, corrupt network. Pickens had better do something big, and quick. History will not judge him and his kind well.

Posted by: JR, Boston | August 12, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Carter got us the Israel-Egypt peace treaty.
Clinton got us Israel-Jordan. He would have gotten more if it hadn't been for Rabin's assassination.

Democrats = peace + prosperity + health care + education + energy independence + clean environment

Republicans = war + old, big oil/war economy + lies & corruption

Posted by: JR, Boston | August 12, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Hm. Wilson, WWI, Democrat. Roosevelt, WWII, Democrat. Truman, Korean War, Democrat. Vietnam, Kennedy and Johnson, Democrats. I am a Democrat; we cannot deny our war-starting record, please.

Note how McCain avoided criticizing Obama over this Russian invasion, but Obamistas have been all over the internet using the lives of these people to score points against him and for Obama. You people are pathetic. Fortunately, you are not Democrats but rather cultists or I would be ashamed.

Posted by: Chicago1 | August 12, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

The Grand Oil Party has a history of nominating warmongers for president. Had Nixon won in 1960, he would have started World War III over Cuba. Had Goldwater won in the next election, if he had had his way the United States would have been in the Vietnam war for a hundred years. Bush II wins eight years ago and rushes into an unneeded war against Iraq, being persuaded by his bellicose right wing advisers.

Elect McCain the warmonger and his policies will be more belligerent than the Bush-Cheney regime. Dr. Strangelove was a film, but reflected, while satirizing, the pervasive right wing mentality in the country. McCain, Cheney, Lieberman and their minions are the genuine thing.

Posted by: Independent | August 12, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"Russia sends tanks into Georgia, and Obama's response? "I'm going to go body surfing at some undisclosed location."
And if that fails to force the Kremlin to withdraw? "I'm going to go get some shaved ice."
Party on, dude.
If the phone rings at 3 a.m. in the Obama White House, the caller will get redirected to voicemail."

Great description of the actual actions of one President George Walker Bush, the Struttin Stutterer.

Obama has every reason, right now, to be conspicuous by his silence. He has NO authority to commit the U. S to any action, and won't have until 20 Jan 2009. Granted, after John is buried in the 2008 Goldwater Memorial Landslide, Barack, as President Elect, had better get some hearing from this feclkess administration, but until then he serves best by hoping that SOME Republican will begin to lead in these atrocious times.

Unless, of course, Dick Cheney would care to resign in Barack's favor, followed by GWB jisself.

Then Barack might be expected to provide bold leadership. Right now Barack's silence bespeaks his wisdom very eloquently indeed.


Posted by: WylieD | August 12, 2008 4:55 PM

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | August 12, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

What color are the Support those wonderful Georgians ribbons going to be.

John supports the Georgians. How? Like Ike supported the Hungarians? Unless and until John rises in the Senate and moves that the United states take some specific action in support of Georgia every word he says is just as valid as the lies George told Georgia during his visit. LIES, nothing else. From all talk John, and from Party on George. Both have actually already turned their backs on Shaakasvilli. He is cold war history. Too bad, have him ask of Imre Nagy, or Alexander Dubček , when he meets them hereafter, what help they got from these ProDemocracy Talkers.

McCain, at this point, is just a disgusting, used up, old windbag. Spare us any more of his inelegance.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | August 12, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Did John McCain ever think up one original idea in his whole life? McCopycat.

Posted by: arkansas grandpa | August 12, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain won't engage Russia. NATO is if anything more likely to let some of the former USSR countries enter quicker. The US, as well as other contries will not back Russia joining several international groups. Several contries may ask for a vote on removing Russia from the G8. The US would not be alone on these. Nor is McCain the only Senator that felt before this that Russia was not behaving accordance with the obligations of G8 membership.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Despite our disagreement with Russia's respoinse to Georgia, I believe John McCain should ease off on the gas pedal to confrontation with Russia. Otherwise he is unwittingly displaying symptoms of repeating previous errors.

Posted by: Cook7 | August 12, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Simply put, the US is involved in this because Russia tried to control EU policies by controlling the oil going to the EU from Russia.
A pipeline goes through Georgia that provides oil to the EU.
Beyond that, Russia has been implicated with the human rights abuses against Georgians in Russia and the autonomous regions for years.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama adviser compares Putin to Hitler

Guess its not just a McCain against Russia thing. Zbigniew Brzezinski is not going to change his mind and decide its all McCain's fault.

You might want to look up Zbigniew Brzezinski's history, I believe he is as old as McCain, and if anything dislikes Russia more.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

McCaint the Liar...Liebermann the Moron...

Lost in all of this is not only the question of why America would risk an apocalypse to help a petty dictator like Saakashvili get control of a region that doesn’t want any part of him. But no one’s bothering to ask what the Ossetians themselves think about it, or why they’re fighting for their independence in the first place. That’s because the Georgians–with help from lobbyists like Scheunemann–have been pushing the line that South Ossetia is a fiction, a construct of evil Kremlin neo-Stalinists, rather than a people with a genuine grievance.

NOW..In York PA, Rattling empty sabers from two of the most useless republican senators in US History...

Whats next McCaint taking off his shoe and banging it on his pathetic "Country First" podium?

Sad.......

This is even sadder...

Is the media buying McCain's story that Obama played the race card, using his description of McCain doing things analogous to putting his face on a dollar bill?

Of course, most everyone has taken it as an analogy and McCain, as well as some of the media, have been looking to crucify Obama for it.

The thing is, McCain actually DID put obama's face on a dollar bill -- over a month ago in a little-seen web video.

The point is, Obama's analogy -- whether he realized it or not, and maybe he heard about the video and only recalled it subconsciously -- isn't even an analogy, it's true!

What baloney...RNC/GOP what a group of scumbags.....

Posted by: AlexP1 | August 12, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Here is what the world already knows, and Mccain and Obama need to learn: The Georgia started this conflict in Tskhinvali and are reaping the violence they have sown. Russia shouldn't stop until the Georgian president is captured and put on trial for war crimes.

The timeline:

Tskhinvali was shelled by the central Georgian government on 8 August 2008 in an attempt to rein in the South Ossetian break-away movement. More than 1500 civilians were killed. The majority of the population left the town and fled into Northern Ossetia. Russian peacekeepers were attacked by the Georgian army Afterwards, Russia began moving troops into the area. On 10 August Georgian forces pulled out of Tskhinvali which was captured by the Russian army after intense fighting.

Posted by: StoptheFighting | August 12, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Unlike Bush, McCain has never trusted Putin, he has always disagreed with Bush on that. That is one reason McCain mentioned that he would encourage the G8 to remove Russia if Russia did not change its ways.

I'm not sure why Bush felt that Putin was so reformed, perhaps he just felt if we were nice enough, Putin would change. Apparently not.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

We are not helpless to assist.

We most certainly would not have been provoked into a military conflict with Russia, nor should we be if we value the world.

We can work with other nations at the UN, NATO, OECD, G8 and other international organizations, as we have in the past on such situations.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Russia clearly have no right to be on Georgian soil and the innocent victims in Gori are the responsibility of Russia. Russia is going to be a problem for Europe and the United States. I was glad to see France take the lead rather than than the US.

McCain as president has too much involvement with Georgia. We should be supporting any country that has a democracy but we may have inadvertently given a message to Saakashvili that his boldness was alright. Whatever the case may be Georgia was not a totally innocent victim. If McCain were president we would be embroiled in a way that Bush is not doing.

McCain has behaved like a person anxious to get involved in this incident as a major player rather than in a supporting role.It will be very expensive to have McCain as president. His attention will be totally absorbed in foreign affairs and minding everyone's business. The economy will suffer from lack of attention.

We can not afford McCain, literally or figuratively.

Posted by: Gator-ron | August 12, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

What a joke -- until we have bombs raining down on our homes we are not all Georgians. We are spectators stupefied by the fact that we are helpless to assist thanks to the Bush and soon to be thanks to McCain. With friends like us, who needs enemies.


Posted by: james - Los Angeles | August 12, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

1995 Human Rights Watch

GEORGIA/ABKHAZIA:
VIOLATIONS OF THE LAWS OF WAR AND RUSSIA'S ROLE IN THE CONFLICT

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I see that there are other cases of ethnic cleansing mention on these automonous regions, the UN, ICJ, and human rights groups have articles going back years.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

oh, and by the way, TBILISI,

"In the hour when our people need your support most, you seem not to care. But let me tell you this, this is not only about Georgia anymore, it's about world order. Georgia is the first, but many others will be on bloody, heartless dictator Putin's way. Remember my friends, YOU HAD IT COMING."

You brought it upon yourself. You started cold blooded murders of civilians - THOUSANDS of death in Tkshinvali alone.

Oh, and also Medvedev already declared a cease fire. It's all negotiations now. STOP TRYING TO DRAG US INTO A WAR YOUR PRESIDENT STARTED, mistaking US claim "We support your democracy" for a green light to bomb whatever the heck he wants to fulfill his presidental campaign slogans to bring Osetia and Abkhasiza back before his presidential term is over.

And that's the president YOU chose.

Posted by: lee | August 12, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

2 tbilisi
"Russia started this war, committing genocide and ethnic cleansings on its way, and eventually annexing Georgian territory."

LIAR.
So, when did the BOMBING OF TSKHINVALI happen on your scale? Oh, wait, that was BEFORE Russia joined in. That was your president bombing a civilian city for 2 days straight. But wait a minute, did you say it was Russia that committed genocide?? I really thought it was Georgia. Our mass media lie to us, yours lie to you, truth is in between, but the timeline is one thing you can more or less rely on.

2 days of Tskhinvali bombing came first.

Posted by: lee | August 12, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

The President of Georgia, is I believe, bringing a charge against Russia on ethnic cleansing from 1993- the present.

The ICJ is considering looking into it as well.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Obamadrama fans. Obama at least does understand the seriousness of the situation now I believe.

Those slamming McCain are sadly mistaken if they think those attacks will help Obama. Obama is much in agreement with the rest of the government and the EU. Think it over. You are slamming Obama, and his foriegn policy advisor while you are slamming McCain.

Obamadrama fans. Obama at least does understand the seriousness of the situation now I believe.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of crappola. His mind is gone. We are not all Georgians. We have enough problems being American.

Posted by: jrshoes | August 12, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Justin Raimondo's wrote another prophetic article for his www.antiwar.com website about four years ago when the U.S. was gloating about it being a "unipolar world", "the end of history", and the "U.S. being the world's indispensible nation". As Bush spewed his stupidity and hypocrisy while lecturing Putin about torture, reditions, civil rights, and democracy, the article remarked that Putin kept his mouth shut not like a fearful wimp but "like someone who was biding his time".

Looks like this time Saakashvili's arrogance and stupidity cost him just like Bush, Cheney, Rice and Co. stupidity and arrogance has cost America. If Saakashvili was real smart, he would have investied heavily in the military-industrial complex and make billions while he sinks his nation. It works for Bush.

Since it was proven in Serbia that there was no genocide, only war crimes committed that were not controlled by Milosovic, what makes Georgia any different than Serbia and what makes South Ossetia any different than Kosovo? All they need to do is call the Russians "Ossetians" just like we called the Muslim Albanians in Kosovo "Kosovars".

It seems the U.S. established the precident for stupidity and hypocrisy. Let McCain's and Bush's kids fight the war.

I wish Bush was in front of a war crimes tribunal just like Milosovic. He is much more responsible for greater war crimes than Milosovic could have ever dreamed of.

Want your kid to be a Georgian? Want to send your kid to die for a corrupt Eastern European regime that leveled a city with artillary barrages? Screw McCain. Russia is the good guy in this one even if they did get involved for their own geo-political interests.

Whatis good for the goose is good for the gander. GODDAMNED HYPOCRITES!

Posted by: Joseph Zrnchik | August 12, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I am glad to see our government trying to respond to this issue. The Senate had a Resolution that was closely related listing some of Russias' agressionas against past Soviety countries. Bush, McCain and Obama all seem to be on board now that something needs to be done.

Other nations, such as those in Europe, are just as concerned. I have seen mention of Russia not being allowed into the WTO, OECD, as well as voting them out of the G8.

This is about more then even Georgia, it is about the chance for these countries to move away from the threat of Russia, to control their own nations, rather then to suffer under threats from Russia if they make a choice Russia does not like.


Obama's supporters might want to go read up on what Obama's foreign policy campaign advisor said. He compared Putin to Hitler over this. He is a long time Russia hawk, it was him and Carter that originally got us into Afghanastan to pull Russia in.

The duplicated posts are by Obama supporters are nothing more then spam. It gets tedious.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

So when McCain says "Today we are all Georgians!" Is he declaring war on Russia if he is elected?

Posted by: cyberbian | August 12, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"Today, we are all Georgians"?

Good lord, is McCain sad.
RUN JOHN! All the way BACK TO ONE OF YOUR WIFE'S EIGHT HOMES!

Posted by: vegasgirl | August 12, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November. We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest.

The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role.

The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%.

Inflation is in double digits. Employment is falling.

The Republican economy in the 21st century has been unable to create net new jobs for Americans except for low wage domestic services such as waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and hospital orderlies.

Republican deregulation brought about fraud in mortgage lending and dangerous financial instruments which have collapsed the housing market, leaving a million or more homeowners facing foreclosure. The financial system is in disarray and might collapse from insolvency.

The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world.

The US can no longer finance its wars or its own government and relies on foreign loans to function day to day. To pay for its consumption, the US sells its existing assets--companies, real estate, toll roads, whatever it can offer--to foreigners.

Republicans have run roughshod over the US Constitution, Congress, the courts and civil liberties. Republicans have made it perfectly clear that they believe that our civil liberties make us unsafe--precisely the opposite view of our Founding Fathers. Yet, Republicans regard themselves as the Patriotic Party.

The Republicans have violated the Nuremberg prohibitions against war crimes, and they have violated the Geneva Conventions against torture and abuse of prisoners. Republican disregard for human rights ranks with that of history's great tyrants.

The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state, which they have no problem using against fellow citizens!

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for any of us!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:27 PM


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Nice post - bump.

Posted by: Sal | August 12, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Why is McCain speaking for America?

He wasn't even born here!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

The ignorance of Obamas supporters are only matched by the ignorance of Obama himself.

Why did we fight a cold war for fifty years just to let these people fall back under totalitarianism of Putin and Russia. Do people forget that our own independence relied on the support, blood and treasure of France. By defending and supporting Georgia we would only be paying it forward.

Think about this: Why did Russia have thousands of tanks, trucks and troops poised at the border of Georgia ready to go at the slightest provocation? Because this was orchestrated by Russia, its regime change. Why you ask? To control the only pipeline out of central asia not already under control of the Russians. Russia is tightening their stranglehold over Europes energy supply.

This is not the same as Iraq, Russia is not supported by dozens of UN resolutions condemning Georgia. Russia did this unilaterally. Obama is Neville Chamberlain reborn. If Obama is elected president it will be proof that if history teaches us anything its that history never teaches us anything.

You people should grow up. Obama may be an intellectual but he is inexperience and naive to think that Putin wont crush him in any negotiations. Putin has ice in his veins and McCain seems to be the only one who recognizes him for what he is K-G-B!

By the way McCain predicted this when Nato rejected Georgia and Ukraines membership bids, months ago. How is that for judgement, Obama worshippers.

Posted by: Eric B | August 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

No, John, we are not "all Georgians." I don't eat boiled peanuts or wave the confederate flag. I resent you calline me a Georgian, Alabaman, Carolinian, or Mississippian.

Posted by: Ben Larson | August 12, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

" One day they came and took the Communists, and I said nothing, because I was not a Communist. Then one day they burned the Catholic Churches, and I said nothing, because I was born a Protestant. Then they came and took the Unionists, and I said nothing, because I was not a Unionist. One day they came and took the people of the Jewish Faith, and I said nothing, because I had no faith left. Then one day they came and took me, and I could say nothing, because I was as guilty as they were for not speaking out and saying that we all have a right to freedom... "

Posted by: Tbilisi | August 12, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Propaganda Watch: CNN used footage of Tskhinvali ruins to cover the Georgian conflict AND MISLEAD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE in a push for Georgian sympathy and an American war with Russia.

See Google News for more details.

Posted by: PROPAGANDA WATCH | August 12, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

It's nearly impossible to win the war against Russia. Especially for the nation like Georgia, don't you agree?
But on the other side, we HAVE NOT LOST IT! Untill the single Georgian is allive and stays on the Georgian land he'll continue fighting the war is not lost!

Georgian history since the 12th century BC - is the history of survival! That's how we live - we never invade, or start a war, but we fight for our land! And you have no right at all to say that the Georgians are losers.
Which country are u from?

Posted by: Tbilisi | August 12, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm no backer or of the president, but he speaks for the USA. Who the hell is McCain or Obama to get on the phone with another country and speak for the USA. With that said Bush has been pushing Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili to help make Georgia Russia's Cuba on their border. The problem here is if you can't backup your big talk you better shut up, and Russia just delivered that message to Bush.

Posted by: Frank R | August 12, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Tbilisi...you say that Georgians are not losers, but it seems to me that Georgians have already lost the war....and managed to do it in only 5 days. Georgians are BIG losers.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous - Go **** yourself whoever you are!

Georgians are not losers! Our forces fought heorically agains enemy who has 30 times more troops in the war that we DID NOT START. Russians had 1000 tanks crossing the Georgian border immediately as the first georgian bullet was shot back!

Georgia's not asking for military intervention! Just show to Russia that such actions cannot stay unpineshed in the XXI century world.

Posted by: Tbilisi | August 12, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

It would not be so bad if it was not that Mccain is just using dead people as a political prop. Then he steals a line that sounds like an applause line from a movie. Mccain doesn't know how to be authentic because he isn't. I wonder how many time he practiced the line in front of a mirror? The use of that line underlined it's insincerity and used just for effect. Mccain needs a new writer. Who ever gave it to him again made him look like a fool.

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What's wrong with you people?!

Whole world (including my nation) said that they were Americans after 9/11...

Russia started this war, committing genocide and ethnic cleansings on its way, and eventually annexing Georgian territory.

In the hour when our people need your support most, you seem not to care. But let me tell you this, this is not only about Georgia anymore, it's about world order. Georgia is the first, but many others will be on bloody, heartless dictator Putin's way. Remember my friends, YOU HAD IT COMING.

Right now the Presidents of 5 European countries (Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia) are in the capital of Georgia, Tbilisi to show their support to freedom and democracy - as they all have undergone this way, and they have all been opressed by Russia. So they know best how does it feel.

But where is USA??? What is it doing???

If you respect democracy, freedom, natural rights, international law and order... you should say that YOU ARE GEORGIAN today!!!

Posted by: Tbilisi | August 12, 2008 5:27 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse


The junior senator from Illinois thinks the capital of Georgia is Atlanta, and that the Russians belong there because it's a "red" state.

Posted by: WylieD | August 12, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't want my kids to die for Georgia; as far as I'm concerned, we should never have put a single soldier in Georgia and should recognize that the Russians have a lot more at stake there than we do. Otherwise, if we feel that we should project our influence right up to the borders of other powers, the Chinese will cut a deal with Mexico and put their air force in Tiajuana, right down the block from San Diego.

Posted by: malach hamovess | August 12, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does the word 'George' have some association with stupidity....George W. Bush, Georgia the country, George Costanza from Seinfeld, Georgia the state that represents the people from the south.

Posted by: playa | August 12, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

John McCain does NOT speak for me. Typical arrogance of a GOP candidate to assume that.

The USA doesn't want to give Abkhazians or South Ossetians independence, and the USA will not give it to the Kurds of Iraq either.

Posted by: Rick Cain | August 12, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Tbilisi...you get the leaders you vote for. Don't want Russia's boot on your throats, vote for a smarter leader, not some whiney weasel. You Georgian got everything you deserved....hopefully you idiots will think twice before attcking innocent people. NO AMERICAN BLOOD FOR YOU LOSERS!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

As a red blooded true American, I hope Putin has the opportunity to punch McCain in the face. He's 10x the greater war hero and competent leader than McCain. What's McCain's qualification? A senator from a third rate state whose main income is tourism. Putin ran Russia for 10 years, and transformed it into one of the most powerful nations in the world.

Posted by: Paul | August 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with you people?!

Whole world (including my nation) said that they were Americans after 9/11...

Russia started this war, committing genocide and ethnic cleansings on its way, and eventually annexing Georgian territory.

In the hour when our people need your support most, you seem not to care. But let me tell you this, this is not only about Georgia anymore, it's about world order. Georgia is the first, but many others will be on bloody, heartless dictator Putin's way. Remember my friends, YOU HAD IT COMING.

Right now the Presidents of 5 European countries (Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia) are in the capital of Georgia, Tbilisi to show their support to freedom and democracy - as they all have undergone this way, and they have all been opressed by Russia. So they know best how does it feel.

But where is USA??? What is it doing???

If you respect democracy, freedom, natural rights, international law and order... you should say that YOU ARE GEORGIAN today!!!

Posted by: Tbilisi | August 12, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

All of you should get off the pot! mccain has lobbyist for georgia in his campagne party. His big nasty talk could get us mired down into some thing we have no bussiness in! Georgia is not innocent in all this! Mccain over steped his boundarys as a senator! His loud Noise will get us mired down into a war with Russia. This guy has no intelligence of how to be diplomatic or compromise! He does not speak for America and certainly not me! You can hear mccains battle cry already! Bomb, Bomb russia! Man this man Mccain is crazy and dangerouse! If you ding dongs haven't heard, Obama had already talked to Georgia, and called for cool heads, before Mccain jumped in with his oversure of telling Georgia the american people were committed to them! This man isn't touching my grandkids. He already got my nephew and cousin in iraq.

Posted by: alberta treadway | August 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:There had been many woeful misunderstandings between North and South in the years that led up to the Civil War, but the most tragic misunderstanding of all was that neither side realized, until it was too late, that the other side was desperately in earnest. Not until the war had actually begun would men see that their rivals really meant to fight. By that time it was too late to do anything but go on fighting.
The referendum you were talkng about has to be considered in the light of the fact not all individuals had the right to vote.
The two situatations are totally different which proves how McCain is viewing this conflict woefully simplistically!

Posted by: Urojen | August 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

To everyone who has condemned Georgia for their actions, WAKE UP. You people are the same people who lambast those of my opinion for not understanding the facts, well here are the real facts. South Ossetia is a rogue province within Georgia. The independence of this province is not recognized by ANY country in the world, Russia included. The Georgians have requested the Russian peacekeapers leave, so small suprise the remaining peacekeapers have been treated as a hostile presence. The Russians are infuriated the west has recognized Kosovo, and this is obviously in response to that. Nevermind the fact that Georgia holds the only central asian pipeline independent of Moscow. Nevermind that Georgia has the right to subdue a province in rebellion through military means. A little colatteral damage is pretext for intervention? That's a new international precedent. And since when are the Russians acting on some selfless ideology to "protect" the people of South Ossetia? Finally, perhaps the world would be a little bit less worried if Russia werent vetoing measures against Burma, Zimbabwe, Sudan, and Iran in the name of...national soverignty. Will any of you ignorant pro-russians actually argue that Georgia poses a significantly greater threat to human rights than any of those countries??? I didint think so.

Posted by: Zachary Yancer | August 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

the US Senate passted a resolution this year on Russia's agressive behavior against those countries that used to belong to the USSR.

McCain is not alone in this regard, nor is Bush. Russia became part of the G8 on the understanding it would act differently. Sadly many are so against their own country for anything close to the behavior they condone and accept from Russia.

Russia sells military arms and backs their allied countries just as the US does.

The UK press has an article on how the "peace" that Russia wants would basically redraw the map of Europe. Other countries that left the USSR will also be afraid to act on thier own.

Iraq and Georgia are two different cases. There are numerous instances in papers and media before 9/11 of both Democrats and Republicans referring to wmd, Iraq agression. Ried said that Bush should have done more when Bush I was in. His claim was that Bush should have done it for humanitarian reasons. Saddam and Iraq were in dire straits. Go read some old Amnesty International or other reports on the issue.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Russia sends tanks into Georgia, and Obama's response? "I'm going to go body surfing at some undisclosed location."

And if that fails to force the Kremlin to withdraw? "I'm going to go get some shaved ice."

Party on, dude.

If the phone rings at 3 a.m. in the Obama White House, the caller will get redirected to voicemail.


Posted by: WylieD | August 12, 2008 4:55 PM

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Hate to rain on your parade but our real president has been playing volleyball and watching swimming. He's the one who told the Georgians he'd stand by them.

Obama is a presidential nominee who happened to be on vacation when this all popped off. Not sure why he'd come off vacation for this given the obvious fact that he's not our president yet.

But hey...don't let the obvious get in the way of you slandering Obama every chance you get....moron.

Posted by: Duh... | August 12, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse


Russia sends tanks into Georgia, and Obama's response? "I'm going to go body surfing at some undisclosed location."

And if that fails to force the Kremlin to withdraw? "I'm going to go get some shaved ice."

Party on, dude.

If the phone rings at 3 a.m. in the Obama White House, the caller will get redirected to voicemail.

Posted by: WylieD | August 12, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused. Didn't McBush invade Iraq? Now suddenly he's against foreign invasions of other countries?

Who does he think he is? What a hypocrite.

Posted by: Shawn | August 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain: "We must make clear to Russian leaders that the benefits they enjoy from being part of the civilized world require respect for the values, stability and peace of that world."

Just wondering, could he maybe make that clear to the leaders of that country that invaded Iraq?

Posted by: samson151 | August 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a moron who is exploiting this situation for political gains. He is so annoying to watch.

Completely agree with all the points made in the first comment about the republican party's resolve to ruin this great country

Posted by: Laverde Averde | August 12, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

2 Jake D

"why you don't believe the reports that Gori is occupied by Russian forces?"

I have been reading LJs of people living there. Tens of LJs, of people who had them for years, that do not look like political propaganda.
I believe Russia bombed Gori. It could come there - that's another good piece Russia will use to negotiate.
But Russia knows they cannot go to Tbilisi, as this will require US to react. They are already negotiating (Medvedev ordered a ceasefire).

So, my 5 cents look like this:
Russia definately provoked Georgia. Russia gets the most out of the whole thing (NATO will not want Georgia now, I hope - which is exactly what Russia wants). But Saakashvilli, being the arrogant creature that he is, mistook our verbal support for green light and launched an attack on civilian city. Which gave a chance for Russia to ride to rescue and look cool.

And, about US supporting Saakashvilli, I am afraid to say, it's a bit like how we used to support Sadam Hussein. We had our reasons then, we have them now.

And, of course, there is a lot of misrepresentation of information, both in our news and in Russia news. But it still saddens me greately that our so-called free press kept quiet while our "ally" Georgia killied civilians in Osetia. For 2 freaking days. Long live free press.

Posted by: lee | August 12, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I love it! "today we are all georgians", the Obama campaign should use it and compare John McCain to another famous georgian..what was his name? oh yeah, Joseph Stalin

Posted by: Russo-American | August 12, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

It was thrilling to have received verification that there is no there there between McCains ears.How dare this beetle brain speak for me or any other american of right or left predidposition!!!!!!His remarks were almost as exciting as Bush's insane remarks concerning the georgian attack on helpless civilians and peacekeepers. I have worked in mental hospitals as a professional all my life, and if either of these inpatients appeared before a review board for consideration for release,they would both be considered chronic mad hatters,and NOT SANE!!!!!NOT EVER.NEVER NEVER!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Herb Fleming | August 12, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Wake up McCain .. you've got your facts mixed up. You don't speak for Americans when you say we are "all Georgians". Most of us would side with the Russians if the facts were laid bare (or if you inserted different names into the story).

Posted by: krkp | August 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
if McCain is elected President (a BIG if), will you swallow every bit of propaganda he issues or just some of it?

Posted by: JP | August 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA...I love the McCain quote "today, we are all Georgians", I thinks its great , I hope the Obama campaign uses it for an ad, it can use a clip of McCain saying it and have his image next to another famous peace lovin georgian...what was his name...oh yeah, Joseph Stalin

Posted by: Russo-American | August 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

MATTHEW CH 25

Posted by: variezn34gm | August 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

It is so sad to see the information some Americans still buy into. Do people really believe Russia just decided to 'invade' Georgia, unprovoked? As President Reagan said," Trust, but verify". Funny, it needs to be used against his party now.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss the elections and Obama lost them. What gives McCain the right to speak for the American people already.

Was it not just 2 weeks ago that McCain accused Obama for being presumptive and arrogant for his European trip and how he was being recieved as an elected figure.

Is he using this crisis to try and counter the effect that Obama's trip had on the campaigns.

I wish McCain would just go away. We don't need another war monger in office. This country needs to heal and concentrate on it's own eceonmy and issue for awhile. We don't need to antogonize other nations at every chance and we certainly don't need to be taken the lead on every rescue to one that gets it's self in trouble.

Posted by: MHJ | August 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain said he told him "that I know I speak for every American when I say to him today, we are all Georgians."

Holding my breath until the stories about McCain's presumptuousness are written. He hasn't won the election, he trails in the polls, but apparently has assumed the mantle of the president in that he can speak for all American's. We are all Georgians? I thought he was running as the "American" president.

Posted by: Seanny53 | August 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

JP:

When Mccain is elected President, it still won't matter whether you think he doesn't speak for you ...

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

2 Urogen.

"Georgia marched into a disputed territory unprovoked"

Oh, they were provoked plenty. Russia sent war planes over Georgia "to cool off hot heads"; their peacekeeping troops did not keep neutrality (according to UN), Russia issued tons of Russian passports to Osetians (i.e. to people of another country), etc. let me know if you would like more facts on that. But Russia played it well: they provoked the arrogant bastard Saakashvilli to commit larger crimes.

Posted by: lee | August 12, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

lee:

I accept your apology. And, I hope you are right about Tbilisi -- I will admit that facts are in flux right now -- why you don't believe the reports that Gori is occupied by Russian forces? If that is the case, I fear that Tbilisi is next.

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain: What an idiot! Apparently Mccain doesn't know anything about the history of South Ossetia. South Ossetia has had a "defacto independence" from GEORGIA since 1991, when they beat back the GEORGIAN ARMY! They have been struggling for autonomy from Georgia for years. Why do you think that people are fleeing into Russia? See http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13285
and http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/5568/

It looks like McCain would get his facts straight before he started the anti-Russian propaganda machine primed for war. But of course, he is the "dumbest" presidential candidate ever and only parrots what the military industrial complex tells him. See http://dumberthanbush.com !

Posted by: dumberthanbush | August 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Your propaganda does not speak for me, Mr. McCain. Your complete distortion of the situation does not speak for me, Mr. McCain. Your political posturing does not speak for me, Mr. McCain. Your neoconservative foreign policy does not speak for me, Mr. McCain.

Posted by: JP | August 12, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey, McCain -- don't equate this American with a Georgian madman who starts a war by murdering civilians and leveling their city and villages.

Posted by: Farkas | August 12, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Urojen:

The Conferate States once had a referedum where the majority wanted to be apart from America -- can't always let the majority rule though -- that turned out to be our bloodiest conflict ever.

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

sorry, jakeD, pasted your name into wrong window. :) that comment addressed to you was by me.


2 X:
"Is it possible that McCain forgot or simply missed the part where Georgia attacked Russia first?"
Not to be picky or anything, but South Osetia is a part of Georgia. South Osetia declared independence in 92, but was not recognized neither by Russia, nor by US, nor by anybody in the world. Moreover, Russia agreed (up till now) that South Osetia is a part of Georgia.
Better get your facts right before you arrive to a conclusion.

Posted by: lee | August 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't give a sh*t about what that warmonger says.

McCain LOVES war, and wants to escalate avery incident into war.

He's a sick man.

Posted by: sequoia | August 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Speak for yourself,McCain...
On the first day of the Olympics Saakashvili decides to bomb South Osettia , killing civilians and peacekeepers. South Osettia has expressed very clearly that it doesn’t want to live under Georgian rule. “Democratic” Georgia couldn’t care less what the people of South Osettia want so why not take it by force?

Not a word from the US government denouncing the military action of Georgia against South Osettia.

Posted by: McCain is another idiot | August 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

This is a clear indication of things to come in Mccain's presidency.First he has not bothered to learn facts.Second he is taking sides without knowing the facts.Third he is arrogant in assuming the whole country toes his line of thinking.This is a dispute that has been going on for several years.As such US has been bolstering the military of Georgia with the intent to restrain Russia which is shortsighted and foolish to say the least.Osstia had a referedum where majority wanted to be either close to Russia or be aprt of Russia.Georgia marched into a disputed territory unprovoked and the resultant war has destroyed homes,taken thousands of lives.Russia is as much concerened about its security as US was in invading Iraq.Remember that we will fight our enemies there than here!Bush even got reelected.Now what Russia is doing is no different than our "liberation of Kuwait"!It is a complex situation and McCain the fighter pilot and friend of cowboy Bush believes he can solve this issue withan empty threat with no moral standing and no policy to back up.McCain is like a clown and all he does is to get some cheers in a townhall meeting!

Posted by: Urojen | August 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Georgia's latest military budget is a cool $750 million!
And who do you think is paying for all these toys, that our maniac rulers & their puppets are playing with?

Posted by: geez | August 12, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

2 JakeD:

Russia could care less about Tbilisi (wanna bet?). They will not atack. They achieved a buffer zone around Osetia to stop the bombing, and then they... stopped. Miraculously.

Saakashvilli is desperately trying to draw US into the war, so he is panicking and claiming Russians will atack Tbilisi, trying to look like he's the victim in the conflict. While, in fact, it was he who ordered bombing of a civilian city. Now, is that a democratic leader you would want your country to support?

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

JOHN

Posted by: variezn34gm | August 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Georgia has been something I have paid great attention to since this war started.
Is it possible that McCain forgot or simply missed the part where Georgia attacked Russia first? Did McCain miss the part where Georgia committed crimes against Humanity? Did McCain miss that the Georgia wants to reunite never existed? (the separatist provinces fought a rebellion to leave Georgia and join Russia)
If Russia truly had been prepared for this situation or had attacked Georgia with intents of conquering it then Georgia would have been conquered by now. Georgia attacked Russia without cause and has paid the price in blood. I weep for those that died for Saakashvili the fool.

Posted by: X | August 12, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, the army you are trying to reach is either away from their desks or are busy handling other wars. Please leave a message at the tone. *BEEEP*

Posted by: h0gwash | August 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"... that brave little nation ..." ?

What the hell is this, the little nation that could? McCain is so simple its hard to understand him. I think I will have my 6 year old read this article to translate dumbass for me.

Posted by: Blubber | August 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

lee:

That gives Russia the right to attack Tbilisi?

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

How can McCain offer Georgia the country the total support of the USA in their struggle. He cannot speak for our President, Sec. of State, Sec. of Defense...etc. He is a Senator. One he has not cast a vote for over a year. Go figure...he is not even doing that job.

Posted by: Belinda | August 12, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Bomb, POW, drill ... Let's see I think I will go with bomb this time, my friends

Posted by: McCain | August 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

BeenFishing:

If the Russians invaded Colorado, I'd certainly hope that martial law was declared and tear-gassing protesters of the U.S. military response would be the least they could expect.

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Bush ruined our credibility in the world, hence we have no moral authority nor strong allies to exert influence over Putin. McWorse is showing exactly how he will hit the gas pedal on Bush policies. Thank you for the gift of your war hawkiness, McWorse, more Americans need to know how you will take us in to the abyss w/ you. Study him and his responses since Nam ... classic psych study ... and scary that he's going to be #2 in the race for POTUS

Posted by: Frankly Georgian | August 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Who says we want to be like Georgia? They antagonized Russia with the hope that the US and the rest of the world would be able to come in and save them. Currently, we, America, have no real allies or political clout around the world. McCain and his lobbyist friend would have us run out there and begin a war with Russia, Iran and all of their allies. If we want a former USA then yes vote for McCain and we will be just like the Former Soviet Union who fell because they millitarily bit off more than they could financiall chew. Now they know to only fight battles they strategically could win. CAN WE CHOOSE A LEADER THAT HAS A CLUE. Barack thinks first...called Secretary Rice and evaluated the entire situation before issuing a statement. One that stated that Russia needed to end the war, without taking the position that Georgia was totally innocent in this battle.

Posted by: Belinda | August 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

We send 1,000 elite military personnel to Georgia and 3 weeks later dead Russians start turning up?

Posted by: Rebel Fever | August 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"I know I speak for every American when I say to him today, we are all Georgians".

Well, excuse me, senator, but I do not wish to be associated in any way, shape or form with a country (or its arrogant madman of a president), that STARTED the war by BOMBING A CIVILIAN CITY of Tzhinvali for 2 days, killing THOUSANDS of CIVILIANS in Osetia BEFORE Russia intervened.

Btw, cheers to our "free press", which was numb for 2 days that our friend Georgia bombed the heck out of civilian city and leveled it to the ground. Beware of evil Russia, which had a UN-approved PEACEKEEPING mission in the region since 92 and came to stop the bombing.

Posted by: lee | August 12, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

All we need is a list of all the countries that have been lobbied for by John McSame's campaign staff and then we'll know (according to him) who it is ok to attack now.

Posted by: thebreeze | August 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

How dare you equate Saddam Hussein's brutal dictatorship with the democratically-elected free government of Georgia -- have you no shame, at long last -- no wonder you won't out your name to that post!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Speak for yourself John. Georgia is run by an autocrat who tear-gasses protestors, and opponents to his regime. He declared martial law at the drop of a hat during this conflict. Some democracy. We're not all Georgians. They instigated this conflict, then got their a*s handed to them. McCain is over-simplifying a complex dispute and trying to villify Russia without reason. We have had eight years of this simplistic nonsense. We don't need more of it.

Posted by: BeenFishing | August 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Russia has played 'innocent' for nearly ten years by supplying mercenaries and rebels in South Ossetia with arms. Allowing, with full financial backing, the rebels to conduct small arm raids inside the democratically controlled country. If you want to take the 'peace at all cost' and 'blame America first' route, by all means, go for it. But it sure makes me want to vomit.

Posted by: Greg | August 12, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous

That is a dam good post!!


A resounding referendum on the failures of Republican control over our government!!

Posted by: getcentered | August 12, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

McCain is not the President. Georgia is the aggressor. South Ossetia wants to join North Ossetia and Russia. They have voted and 91% want to join Russia. The story here http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/08/news/Georgia-South-Ossetia-Glance.php . They are we meddling in these countries affairs?

Tues., July. 15, 2008

VAZIANI, Georgia - One thousand U.S. troops began a military training exercise in Georgia on Tuesday against a backdrop of growing friction between Georgia and neighboring Russia.

Officials said the exercise, called "Immediate Response 2008," had been planned for months and was not linked to a stand-off between Moscow and Tbilisi over two Russian-backed separatists regions of Georgia.

The United States is an ally of Georgia and has irritated Russia by backing Tbilisi's bid to join the NATO military alliance.


"The main purpose of these exercises is to increase the cooperation and partnership between U.S. and Georgian forces," Brig. Gen. William B. Garrett, commander of the U.S. military's Southern European Task Force, told reporters.

The war games involve 600 Georgian troops and smaller numbers from ex-Soviet Armenia, Azerbaijan and Ukraine.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25684774/

We are provoking this showdown.

Posted by: Rebel Fever | August 12, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, doesn't using 9/11 for a military decision sound a little familiar? Haven't we been down that road already? Oh yeah, we're still on it. Please don't use those victims again for a poor foreign policy decision, let alone a campaign. Have some respect.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Sure seems like we have a lot of middle-school minded pseudo politicians commenting on this one.

Posted by: Greg | August 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

How dare those Russians go in and protect the people that the Georgian military was killing in an act of ethnic cleansing!

Oh yeah, I guess those of you so quickly condemning Russia didn't catch that whole part of the story, did you? Georgia was bombing its own citizens, which was mostly people of Russian ethnicity. When the peacekeepers couldn't stop them (ever wonder why there were peacekeepers in Georgia in the first place?) the Russian military went in and put a stop to it.

Hopefully the media will report on that as well in the days to come, because they've been awfully quiet about it up until now.

Posted by: McCain is a panderer | August 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Eugene:

As I understand it, the Georgian army is preparing to defend the capital -- the Russians provoked this fight and have obviously been planning this for a long time -- what gives Russia the right to attack Tbilisi?

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Win - here is the main point - I am not from Arizona. I did not have the opportunity to vote for or against McCain serving in the sentate. McCain does not represent me, my district nor my state. McCain should not be speaking on my behalf. If he had said "all of us Arizonians are Georgians" - I can live with that.

Posted by: Firth | August 12, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Here is article for you to read before making any supportive statements:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gj_jyRnqBYekXz2MyszBj6k_ZMtw

Posted by: Constantine | August 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Here is article for you to read before making any supportive statements:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gj_jyRnqBYekXz2MyszBj6k_ZMtw

Posted by: Constantine | August 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Look at it this way, if he is going to be as loyal to Georgia as he was to his wife, the president of Georgia should turn on his stomach!!!!!

Posted by: mrrightonmcbush | August 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

To a hammer, every problem looks like nail.
McCain has 2 responses, I am a POW and bomb them. This one elicits a bomb them response, my friends

Posted by: Lone McCain Blogger | August 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Georgia goes on offensive, killing Russian peace-keepers, Russia attacks back, Sen. McCain attacks Russia? Tell the truth, does he care about lives and ideals, or a pipeline? Shouldn't both countries be held, to some extent, responsible for this situation?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain said he told him "that I know I speak for every American when I say to him today, we are all Georgians.''

Mr McCain I think its time for you to move to Floridam and became Frolidian... join the community you belong too... at least you show that by making such a statements... true follower of current administration. First you do, then you think and explain yourself..

Posted by: Constantine | August 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Why am I not surprised that John McBush "stands with Georgia today"?

McBush's campaign manager, Randall Scheunemann, has been a longtime lobbyist for the country of Georgia.


McBush stands for....whatever the lobbyists running his campaign stands for.

Posted by: Phil Slowsky | August 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm a die-hard Republican but McCain is dead wrong on this issue.

Georgia started this war and slaughtered Russian citizens. Russia is only doing what any sovereign nation would do under the same circumstances.

Georgia has also supported Islamic terrorists that have murdered thousands of Russians, such as the little children in the Beslan school. Russia is completely right in this fight. She is fighting for Christian civilization against terrorism and the US should leave her alone.

Posted by: Eugene | August 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

TrueBlue and Georgia not on my mind:

Please see my question to theMightyLex. Thanks.

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

TheMightyLex:

After 9/11, when the world said "Today, we are all Americans", did you nitpick that too?

RealityCheck:

I have always stated I wouldn't vote for Hillary Diane Clinton in a million years. Maybe you saw a fake JakeD post?

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I thought all Americants were Mexicans...seeing how they keep whining about illegal aliens "taking over" 'merica?

Posted by: Gasbagger | August 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow, liberal city. Get over yourselves.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

What an A$$tard. "Today, we are all Georgians"?? WTF is that supposed to mean anyway??

Posted by: TrueBlue | August 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

What exactly is wrong with a campaign advisor providing their service on behalf of another democracy?

Is it ok if an advisor has worked for an NGO, a union? or is it just the views you don't agree with that makes it wrong?

Just because a campaign is going on is no reason to play all partisan on every issue.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's top foreign policy adviser, Randall Scheunemann, lobbied for the nation of Georgia for four years, including for about a year after he joined the Republican senator's presidential campaign staff in early 2007.

Georgia has paid Scheunemann's firm, Orion Strategies, LLC, nearly $900,000 since 2004, including $200,000 for an eight-month contract that began on May 1, two weeks after McCain issued a strong statement criticizing Russia and supporting Georgia.


More of the same old Washington Beltway Politics ...money and pork over substance, courage and conviction. Washington hypocrisy at it's finest... and the rest of us keep having to pay for the lifetime Politicians like McCain who no nothing but how to take money from lobbyists and do their dirty work.

Posted by: Elvis1 | August 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The US has every right to support its allies, Russia has no qualms about doing the same with their allies. Bashing one government over the other because of because you sympathize with their idealology is not a solution to the worlds problems.

No matter your political alliances, caring about others should be enough to sympathize with the people of Georgia and other countries that go through turmoil.

McCain is correct, it is a signal to the world that Russia has no plan on playing the part of nonagressor if it is given room to be the agressor. Russia's has many issues with the western sympathies in Georgia, this has been increased by the oil pipeline going to the EU across Georgia (Russia wanted to have a bigger hold over the oil to the EU), this pipeline allows the EU some independence from reliance on Russia for oil. Russia also is firmly against any of the countries joining NATO, because Russia wants to keep a firm hold although the Soviet Union has broken up.

Posted by: win | August 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Sen. McCain once again showing his great foreign policy 'judgment', or lack of I should say. Good thing he is still 'Sen. McCain', scary if it had been 'President McCain'. And just think, last week Iran was his next target.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain said he told him "that I know I speak for every American when I say to him today, we are all Georgians.'

No we're not, they are retards for testing Russia. Don't do the crime, my friends.

Posted by: Georgia not on my mind | August 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm an ignorant republican. i'm a dipstick whos dumb as hell. blah blah blah. some racsit crap and stupid allegations. mcCain is white thats how i like it.

McDumbass 'Never

Posted by: Clyde | August 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"We are all Georgians?" Who is this chump to speak for all U.S. Citizens? We have a President and Ambassadors who speak for us (Even if we wish Bush didn't). Isn't this highly presumptuous on the part of McCain? Let the outrage begin!!

Posted by: TheMightyLex | August 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think that's supposed to read "Today, we are all hypocrites".

Posted by: Love, Canada | August 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Arrogance? Its name is Russia. Interfering in foreign affairs? You don't have to interfere: you just annex them. Lebensraum. Facists.

Yes, McCain does speak for me and I am a Democrat.

Posted by: Chicago1 | August 12, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Go McCain. It will be great to have a courageous leader who is willing to stand up to bullies like Putin. Obama's first statement was soft and seemed to offer appeasement to Russia. Only in his 2nd and 3rd statements did Obama then began to condemn Russia. McCain got it right from the start. All you immature people who post rude blogs about McCain. His statements in support of Georgia are now being copied by Obama. So how can you condemn McCain when Obama is copying him? Shows who has the experience and integrity to lead this country...and it is definitely not Obama.

Posted by: DemforMcCain | August 12, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

To a hammer every issue looks like a nail.
The hammer needs a hummer and we can go about our business doing the wise thing by following obama

Posted by: Lone McCain Blogger | August 12, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Who elected McCain president?

Posted by: Les | August 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Once again America through it's leaders shows it's arrogance. Bush says Russia chould not have attacked a "Sovereign nation". Remeber when bush couldn't give a definition of "Sovern nation"? America has been meddling in Georgia both directly and through it's ally Israel to sell arms to the Georgian government. America attacked (without provocation) a country half a world away from it's shores (bush again) then tells Russia it shouldn't protect it's borders. (Again that idiot bush). Now McCain tells the world that we (I guess he's counting me without getting my view-point)are all Georgians. Poppy-cock!

Posted by: downhill240 | August 12, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Dear WcCain,

You don't speak for me on any issue whatsoever. And isn't it a bit "presumptuos" of you to do so? I thought you were just a Senator????

Yours truly,

An American You Don't Speak For

Posted by: ??? | August 12, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If this idiot (McCain) gets elected this fall you can count on having more uncalled for pre-emptive wars and more of a sellout of our economy to the Military Industrial complex.

McCain: "Bomb Bomb Iran....I mean Russia...uh, I'm confused again, I need a nap"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kyXN4ZVQg

Posted by: McCain = Bush's third term | August 12, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

You were heavily in the game for Clinton on the message boards just a few weeks ago. What happened -- did you become one of the childish PUMAs who "if we can't have our Hillary, we'll cry then try to take out Obama??" Reminds me of Tonya Harding trying to club Nancy Kerrigan. Well, it's good to see you've made a seamless transition to the McSame sidelines... plus, you look better in pink and red cheerleading outfit cheering for guy who is 8 times your age.

Posted by: RealityCheck | August 12, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

HA!!

What is McCain gonna do?

Hire Blackwater by himself?

One day we will be able to blame war on the corporations too.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | August 12, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Speak for yourself McCain. I'm not willing to say I'm the same as someone who executes a sneak attack that results in the death of a couple thousand civilians.

Posted by: Chris | August 12, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Saakashvili overplayed his hand by sending troops into South Ossetia and falling into the Russian trap.

If he had received signals from our neocon gov't that we'd support him in the play, then we were stupid and wreckless. If he was acting without our support then he was stupid and wreckless. Perhaps his temper got the best of him. And perhaps that is a lesson for all of us, and for Sen. McCain, who also loses control a bit too much to be considered Presidential in temperament.

When Bush looked into Putin's eyes he, no doubt, saw a fellow oil man and arms dealer who has a vested interest in high oil prices and small- and medium-scale wars. (And the occasional large one). They are both playing a dangerous game. And they are both Presiding over Republics that have failing economies, neglected infrastructure, and a disillusioned populace. Soul mates.

McCain wants to double down on the Bush policies and 'beat' Putin, in Russia's backyard, while our military is overstretched and our allies are upset with us. Good luck with that, buddy. No wonder you prefer craps to card playing.

Energy independence and rebuilding America needs to be the focus of the next US Administration.


Posted by: JR, Boston | August 12, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Sounds a lot like Al Haig's famous "I am in control".

Except McCain is a senator. And I am wondering who out there said "we are all Iraqis"

Curious about how these guys politicize human tragedies. Thank goodness the French were able to straighten this out with the Russians.

Posted by: Firth | August 12, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Why is John McCain playing politics with a serious international issue? He should keep his campaign out of such things and leave that to the President, who can screw it up all by himself without McCain's help. This is a serious diplomatic/political error, and I hope the media recognizes that immediately.

Posted by: russ boltz | August 12, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute. This smells fishy. If McCain has been in such close contact with Saakashvili, how did the guy get the idea that the US would somehow come to his rescue, after he launched this crisis?Either McCain's supposed expertise is hollow, or he deliberately led Saakashvili on.

Georgia launched its initial attack by exterminating the peace-keeping force put in place by its own treaty. This MUST have been done with the approval of the Bush administration, or worse yet, at the instigation of McCain's own international petrolobby brigade. No, we aren't Georgians; we're still Americans, so what tail is wagging this dog?

Obama is correct that the Russian response was disproportionate, but there are no good guys here, and we need a cool assessment of what game is actually being played. We are not about to be held hostage, again, to a clandestine Republican war venture that dares to question our resolve or patriotism when we speak out.

Posted by: mport84 | August 12, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Independent:

To be fair, Custer was a cadet at the outbreak of the Civil War, and the entire West Point class's graduation was accelerated so that they could enter the war right away -- McCain's going to defeat “Awe Kooda bilaxpak Kuuxshish” this time around -- so, they're not completely similar ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

For some reason I get the impression that he doesn't give a rat's you-know-what about the people of Georgia, that goes for the one in America too.

Posted by: JR | August 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain only speaks for the neo-cons who have tried to bring back the cold war against Russia with the Bush administration's hostility toward Russia over seven years. However, Bush comes across as a moderate compared to McCain, who is to the right of Bush on Iran, North Korea and Russia.

McCain reminds one of George Custer, both finished near last at their respective military academies, are/were highly reckless and poorly informed about most issues.

Posted by: Independent | August 12, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Once he gets to the White House, President McCain will speak for all of us.

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

McPig doesn't speak for every American, just himself and the greedy pigs that surround him. McCain's advisors took money from the Govt of Georgia, amd looked the other way when they started ethnic cleansing. Most americans doen't support the facist corrupt Georgian govt, and agree Georgia is getting exactly what they deserve.

GO PUTIN....TEACH THESE NEOCON PIGS HOW THE BIG BOYZ PLAY IN THE SANDBOX.

Posted by: playa | August 12, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I think with that last cancer operation they may have removed what was left of his brain. I wish this demented idiot would just go away.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

GO MCCAIN, ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

Posted by: JakeD | August 12, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The article fails to note that Obama talked to Saakashvili before McCain, and obviously McCain only made the call after finding out Obama had taked to him first.

Posted by: bgjd1979 | August 12, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

What a pile a trash this here MacCain he's talkin. He'd a git us in a nuther war fer no good an reezin. Ah know ah ain't no Georgian cuz I uz a born in Bama.

Posted by: MJ | August 12, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November. We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest.

The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role.

The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%.

Inflation is in double digits. Employment is falling.

The Republican economy in the 21st century has been unable to create net new jobs for Americans except for low wage domestic services such as waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and hospital orderlies.

Republican deregulation brought about fraud in mortgage lending and dangerous financial instruments which have collapsed the housing market, leaving a million or more homeowners facing foreclosure. The financial system is in disarray and might collapse from insolvency.

The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world.

The US can no longer finance its wars or its own government and relies on foreign loans to function day to day. To pay for its consumption, the US sells its existing assets--companies, real estate, toll roads, whatever it can offer--to foreigners.

Republicans have run roughshod over the US Constitution, Congress, the courts and civil liberties. Republicans have made it perfectly clear that they believe that our civil liberties make us unsafe--precisely the opposite view of our Founding Fathers. Yet, Republicans regard themselves as the Patriotic Party.

The Republicans have violated the Nuremberg prohibitions against war crimes, and they have violated the Geneva Conventions against torture and abuse of prisoners. Republican disregard for human rights ranks with that of history's great tyrants.

The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state, which they have no problem using against fellow citizens!

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for any of us!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

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