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McCain Tries to Raise Expectations for Obama

Updated 4:15 p.m.
By Michael D. Shear
SEDONA, Ariz. -- Sen. John McCain is predicting that the Democratic convention will produce a huge bump for his rival, Sen. Barack Obama, part of an effort to raise expectations for his historic nomination.

In a memo from one of his top strategists, McCain predicts that "We believe Obama will see a significant bump, and believe it is reasonable to expect nearly a 15-point bounce out of a convention in this political environment."

A 15-point bounce?

In the classic Washington way, McCain's campaign is trying to raise expectations to a point that Obama can't possible reach. In fact, there's reason to believe that his bounce will be quickly countered by McCain's choice of a vice presidential nominee and the start of the GOP convention.

But the McCain memo gives some backing for the idea of a big Obama bump, citing a 16 point bump that Bill Clinton got after his 1992 convention and a 10-point bump that Jimmy Carter got after his.

Obama campaign senior strategist Robert Gibbs responded to the "convention spin memo" in a statement, saying, "Presidential races are close, and we expect this one to be no different. But they should figure out how to spin the fact that John McCain owns a dozen houses and thinks the fundamentals of our economy are strong before trying to spin our convention."

The memo is below.


TO: Interested Parties
FROM: Sarah Simmons, Director of Strategy
RE: Obama's Convention Bounce
DATE: August 22, 2008

Monday marks the beginning of the Democratic National Convention in Denver. A combination of factors makes this particular convention historic on many levels. Democrats have just completed an incredibly compelling primary cycle that has both energized and divided the Democratic Party. Because of the unique nature of the Democratic primary, we believe Obama will receive a significant bump from his convention.

This cycle mirrors Bill Clinton's Democratic convention in 1992: A historic 16-point bump. Barack Obama is more similarly situated to Bill Clinton in 1992 than any other candidate in recent history. Bill Clinton was a new candidate on the national scene; he was running in a "change" oriented election cycle and the economy was voters' top issue -- a dynamic he was able to capitalize on. He received a 16-point bump coming out of his convention. Obama is also a "new" candidate in a change-oriented environment. And, like Bill Clinton, he will spend the convention presenting himself as the agent of change who will fix the economy.

Obama will ride his VP bump. In addition to Obama taking advantage of the political environment, he will announce his Vice Presidential candidate late this week. This announcement typically gives a candidate a 5-point temporary bump that dissipates. However, Obama's timing allows him to maximize his Vice Presidential bump and sustain press attention for the course of the week. He will ride the wave of an announcement from late this week (announcement expected by Saturday) through his speech on Thursday. This means that whatever bump he gains from the announcement has the potential to be lasting.

Obama will correct his underperformance with Hillary Clinton's primary voters and emerge with a much more cohesive base. This convention gives Obama a platform to unite his base. There continues to be a divide in the Democratic base: Between 10-15% of Democrats are voting for McCain or sitting on the fence. In target states, that number is even higher, between 15-20% in many surveys. The Obama campaign knows that winning or losing in states like Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania depends on Obama's ability to bring these voters home. If his convention successfully showcases Hillary Clinton and heals the wounds from the primary, he will move large groups of voters in those key places.

Obama's stadium address on Thursday -- the 45th anniversary of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have A Dream" speech -- will result in effusive and overwhelming press coverage. On Thursday, Obama will give a great speech, as has been his trademark. The press will sing his praises and remark on his historic address and Obama's place in history. For example, The Associated Press today published an article comparing the historic nature of the addresses - a week before Obama's speech. This coverage will be impenetrable and will undoubtedly impact the polls.

We believe Obama will see a significant bump, and believe it is reasonable to expect nearly a 15-point bounce out of a convention in this political environment.

By Web Politics Editor  |  August 22, 2008; 3:13 PM ET
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I predict McCain will get a 30 point bump. There, the expectations have been set. Anything less and he has failed to live up to expectations.

Shoddy, shoddy, reporting.... Who the heck cares?

Posted by: anon | August 25, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

JakeD is so worried about corruption, but is one of the 20% that still think Bush is doing a good job. I'm sure McKeating is just as honest as Bush is!

Now why don't you be honest and tell us the real reason you hate Obama so much that you set on your comp all day watching these stories so you can be first to post?

Posted by: Michael | August 24, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Out here in the big world lovers of your country are praying for an Obama victory so that we can love the USA again as we once did. The selection of a black man with Obama´s background is the American story writ large. His spectacular selection as candidate for the presidency shows that an argument can be made echoing Dinah Shore´s words ¨America´s the greatest land of all¨ (though Chevys may no longer be the way to see it given GM´s woes!). Your enemies on the other hand out here are praying for a McCain victory knowing that he would complete the nefarious job of degrading your country that GWB has begun so so well!

Posted by: gurudorian | August 23, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

That lovable lug, John McCain! Why, I just found out he is an ex-POW! I'd bet he doesn't even pass gas like the rest of us do.

Posted by: ericmiami | August 23, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Mr. A: McCain is known for being a man who can not keep his pants zipped. There have been rumors of his rendevous even after he dumped his wife and kids to marry Cindy. Perhaps that's why she started using drugs. Moreover, McCain displays zero intellect that's his camp keeps harping on Obama's abundance of intellect. If he wins the rethugs will keep him distracted so they continue to run our country into the ground.

Posted by: LMartin | August 23, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I think a lot of us are getting Rove/Schmit Fatigue in their quest to sell the America Voters a 3rd Bush term with the same old attack ads of the last 8 years. Say no to McCain/Bush/Cheney!


"This country will not be a good place for any of us to live in unless we make it a good place for all of us to live in." -- Theodore Roosevelt

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Cooday | August 23, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Biden?? Make that a negative -15. I am not an Obama fan, but lord what was he thinking??? Bad decision..

Posted by: dragonfly777 | August 23, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

If the Republicans say the bump will be 15 points....it most likely will be 40.
Their history of predictions have a hit rate of 100%.
100% wrong.
"Tax cuts will help the economy"
"Weapons of Mass Destruction"
"Our Troops will Be trated as Liberators"
"Osama Dead or Alive"

Republicans predict as well as the Govern.

Posted by: Mr A | August 23, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

I fully expect that an Obama Administration will:

A. Trade weapons to a theocratic regime that has threatened to destroy America, then take that money and give it to people who make crack cocaine and want to market it in America

B. Hire some hot (or not) young interns and have their way with them in the Oval Office

C. Outsource our Energy Policy to a corrupt gang of theives

D. Wage a War on Terror against a nation that never threatened, let alone carried out, a terrorist operation on US soil; and in doing so leeching resources against the real War on Terror

E. Inflame tensions in the Middle East so that no Arab-Israeli peace accords are signed, the price of oil increases, and everyone hates us.. leading to increased Russian arms sales

Or not.

The bar really hasn't been set that high.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 23, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, absolutely. And we should all expect John McCain to have a 25% "bump" after the GOP convention. And anything less than that shows what an awful failure the "Larry Craig Bathroom" convention in Minneapolis truly was.

Posted by: Steve Nesich | August 22, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Let's Recap What We Found Out About The Real John McCain This Week:


>> He doesn’t remember how many houses he owns, and even the press can't figure out if it's 7, 8, 9, 10 or 12


>> He needs a 9-car motorcade to buy a Cappuccino at Starbucks


>> He needs to look at notecards to "remember" the price of milk


>> His household budget includes $273,000 for servants


>> He thinks $5 million is the line between the middle class and the rich


>> He thinks our economy is basically sound


>> He doesn’t think anyone would accept an offer to pick lettuce for $50 an hour


>> He plans to announce his running mate with balloons and cake on August 29 while the rest of the country is mourning the victims of hurricane Katrina on the third anniversary of its arrival


A real man of the people---the top 0.01%percent of them, anyway.


Is it possible the Republican party has found someone more clueless than George W. Bush? Now that's what I call finding a needle in a haystack.


HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND, WINGNUTS!

Posted by: ExxonMcCain | August 22, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

On the one hand, Murdoch is linked in with the Bronfmans who supplied Lansky who was partnered with Marley and Hensley, on the other hand Murdoch is on the record as saying that Obama will likely win. And he did have the NY Post endorse Obama in the primaries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHdQHgIR0-s

"The educational system in this country is a total disgrace..."

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 22, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

"Life is a game, boy. Life is a game that one plays according to the rules."

"Yes, sir. I know it is. I know it."

Game, my ass. Some game. If you get on the side where all the hot-shots are, then it's a game, all right — I'll admit that. But if you get on the other side, where there aren't any hot-shots, then what's a game about it? Nothing. No game.

Posted by: Holden Caulfield | August 22, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

mind games! Mcain and your goons you suggest Obama visit abroad!. He went, performed far and above your expectations, result sour grapes! brand him a celebrity to make him loose credibility!few petty minds falls into your trap. NOW YOUR GOONS ARE SUGGESTING 15 POINTS SURGE AFTER THE CONVENTION? I can smell something here! you wonna come back and use his rhetoric against him??. Just check on Fox news polls and you will realize that, fox and Mcain are upto some smear campaign. This time say no to Rupert Murdoch and the lobyists who rules America through their annointed presidents!!. Foreclosures, high gas prices and inflation affects all hard working Americans regardless whether you are a blue collar worker, white collar or a senior citizen!. Say no more propagada and vote for issues and United States will be perfect again! GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Why do people keep throwing Ayers out there? There are two big problems with that:

A) He hasn't even been *charged* with any crime, terrorist or otherwise. You talk about him as an "unrepentant terrorist" and that's absurd.

B) His "association" with Obama was that they worked for the same charity for a little while. That means that they both went to the same charity events, one of which was at Obama's house.

Get some new talking points, guys. This crap you're throwing is old. How bad is it when McCain pays his supporters to post online in support of him?

Posted by: Joe | August 22, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

People never think anything is anything really.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 22, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

The McCain pre-spin and Clinton-Obama parallel are bogus, and here's why: In 1992, Ross Perot left the race on the day the Democratic convention ended. In the post-convention polls, Perot's backers broke heavily for Clinton. The NY Times referred to Clinton's bounce as a "post-Perot, post-convention boost."

Perot re-entered the race later and got 19% of the popular vote in November. There's simply no comparable wild card this year to give Obama the same kind of bounce. If Barr and Nader both leave the race next Thursday, they'll barely cause a blip in the polls.

You'd think Washington Post political reporters would know this kind of stuff...

Posted by: don.arbour | August 22, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

At 3 a.m. does John McCain know what house he is sleeping in? Maybe Cindy knows.

Posted by: Eddie Zalez | August 22, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Thomas Jefferson and John Adams both died on July 4th, 1826.

James Brown died December 25, 2006.

Someone should vote in this election for the Godfather of Soul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VRSAVDlpDI

Say it loud! (Can't hear ya!)

Posted by: Black and Proud | August 22, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

David,

Such a thoughtful post- you're definitely a democrat. I guess the $64 question is how the heck we pay for anything while fighting two wars at a time when health care costs etc. and our national debt service costs are rising.

I'm guessing that pretty soon people are going to have to start practicing preventative health care (ie no more McDs) and start creating community programs to supplement education.

Posted by: Black and Proud | August 22, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is interested in really understanding, where Senator McCain is likely to take the Country, if elected President, here's a link to who his advisers & fundraisers are, and what they do for a living.
http://www.mccainsource.com/corruption?id=0006
Me, I like how our Founders framed the Preamble, with "We the People..." and the current GOP seems to have lost its way.
I wouldn't wait much longer, to turn this thing around, folks. The backbone of this Country, has always been small businesses.
Yet, the Corporations have to much power.
Please think before you vote.

Posted by: baz | August 22, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I would prefer people vote based on the issues and candidate that serves them best. I am liberal and so healthcare, education, the economy, taxes, foreign policy, the right to choose, immigration, and the supreme court appointees are what drive my voting decision. If you are conservative, I hope that is how you vote too. Let's stop this ridiculous back-biting and vote according to conscience not sound bites and smut. Let's have a substantive election for once.

Posted by: David Brady | August 22, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Expectation game spin....

Like telling us how bad Bush is expected to do in a debate... so that if he doesn't implode he has exceeded expectations and 'wins'

blah... blah... blahhh

Posted by: PulSamsara | August 22, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain is nothing without his advisors and "surrogates." Every time he opens his mouth he’s either sticking his foot in or spewing some sort of incoherent gibberish. He’s a puppet. It absolutely blows my mind that Americans would be duped into four more years of this garbage.

Posted by: Hilary Smith | August 22, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Jane,

That's mighty white of you... A quick word to your man here- do you mind if we dance with your dates!

Posted by: Black and Proud | August 22, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I suppose all of you Obama supporters are either Black, Asian, Native Indian, Hispanic, or from another country of non-whites as Howard Dean said on National Public Radio a week ago that "the white party" referring to the Republican Party, then he corrected his statement. I would just like to say that the Republican Party is open to all races and religions; we welcome you with open arms. Howard Dean lied, we are not the White Party. Some of my family and friends are non-whites and they are Republicans I am proud to say.

Posted by: Jane | August 22, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Cocaine Barry has no chance

Posted by: targa
----------------
That "Old white wrinkly white-haired dud", trigger happy, push the nuclear button, 10-11 house owner McCain does not stand a chance. He is out of touch with the majority of Ameria--the middleclass---he thinks the salary of $5 MILLION dollars is the dividing line between middleclass and rich!! How many of us middle class make $4.99 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR?? I say NONE of us do!! THAT IS HOW OUT OF TOUCH MCCAIN IS!! HIS WIFE IS WORTH $100 MILLION, SO I GUESS $5 MILLION LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY SMALL SALARY to McCain!! WOW, TALK ABOUT OUT OF TOUCH!! McCain wins the "Out-of-Touch competition" hands down!!!

Posted by: NinaK | August 22, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

TO ANONYMOUS

I actually feel sorry for you; you sound as though you are full of hate. Your comments are such that I am inclined to believe that you need help from a professional. Or are you an immature young person who just writes comments which have no meaning but hatred? This is a serious election; please attempt to post comments which are meaningful.

Posted by: Millie | August 22, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove said on Greta Van Susteren last night Obama will win. He seemed to take some pride in what he perceives as Obama using some of his tactics. He thought it was about time.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain campaign tries to raise expectations for Obama. They say, Obama will win in November.

Posted by: cloud9ine | August 22, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Same old Rove tactics. If people want Bush-Cheney III and Rove thrown in as a bonus, vote McCain. If you want change plus experience, vote Obama-Biden. At least Obama knows how many houses he owns.

Posted by: Bob | August 22, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, be happy.

Posted by: Dr. Strangelove | August 22, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Bob Dole has better chance against Obama than McCain. If McCain is any good, he would win presidency when he ran for president 8 years ago. If this old rag is all republicans have, Obama will win in a heartbeat. That's a fact.

Posted by: BOBSTER | August 22, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is right! McCain is out of touch with most of people. He has no feeling about the situation, the life os good for him and he has no presure. His wife is somebody he should keep out of public, not George Bush. Bush will stay away from McCain anyway, but if McCain wins, guess who is still the boss. There is a big difference between McCain and Obama, it's up to voters to see those differences. To me Obama is much stronger when we put all things together.

Posted by: BOBSTER | August 22, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Cocaine Barry has no chance

Posted by: targa | August 22, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of McCain, this is getting old. Sarah Simmons, McCain Dep. Chief Strategist (or Stategerist, as Bush might say) and Rove protégé, has tried this puffery at least once before, See below (the caps are mine):
http://WWW.JOHNMCCAIN.COM/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=db31d145-6a5b-4bac-b2d7-76696ef54689
“Posted at 9:51 AM on 6/13/2008 by SARAH SIMMONS
Inside the Numbers: The Latest Polls
John McCain continues to defy expectations. We all (pollsters, pundits and campaign leadership) were braced for A BARACK OBAMA BOUNCE — LIKE A PRETTY BIG ONE. The great news: it hasn’t really materialized, not yet anyway. Yes, he’s seen a bounce — daily tracking polls show him up around 6-points — but that’s a far cry from the hype that many of our friends on cable news [Fox? joke] had been selling. ,,,”
If at first …
To the Press: you got drawn to the chum and reeled in, suckahs.

Posted by: S.Luggo | August 22, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

This bounce prediction -- same pyshological propaganda crap that Rush and Hannity try -- if it work, stick out your chest and claim victory, if it bust, stick out your chest and claim victory!

Posted by: Unbelievable | August 22, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN THE RACIST:

MCCAIN ABOUT ASIANS: "I HATE THE GOOKS, I WILL HATE THEM ALL MY LIFE"

MCCAIN ABOUT BLACKS: "I VOTED AGAINST MLK DAY BECAUSE THIS MAN MADE NEGROES STAY DEPENDENT OF WELFARE" (1979)

MCCAIN'S PASTOR HAGGEE ABOUT JEWS: "GOD SENT HITLER TO SLAUGHTER THOSE DIRTY JEWS AND HE DID US A GREAT FAVOR"(~2000)

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Corruption Anon:

As I've told you, I'm an evangelical Christian, and I would vote for McCain-Romney.

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

If Obama picks Bayh and McCain picks Romney, Obama could win enough evangelicals to take North Carolina, Georgia and some other states.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN THE RACIST:

MCCAIN ABOUT ASIANS: "I HATE THE GOOKS, I WILL HATE THEM ALL MY LIFE"

MCCAIN ABOUT BLACKS: "I VOTED AGAINST MLK DAY BECAUSE THIS MAN MADE NEGROES STAY DEPENDENT OF WELFARE" (1979)

MCCAIN'S PASTOR HAGGEE ABOUT JEWS: "GOD SENT HITLER TO SLAUGHTER THOSE DIRTY JEWS AND HE DID US A GREAT FAVOR"(~2000)

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN THE RACIST:

MCCAIN ABOUT ASIANS: "I HATE THE GOOKS, I WILL HATE THEM ALL MY LIFE"

MCCAIN ABOUT BLACKS: "I VOTED AGAINST MLK DAY BECAUSE THIS MAN MADE NEGROES STAY DEPENDENT OF WELFARE" (1979)

MCCAIN'S PASTOR HAGGEE ABOUT JEWS: "GOD SENT HITLER TO SLAUGHTER THOSE DIRTY JEWS AND HE DID US A GREAT FAVOR"(~2000)

Posted by: jack | August 22, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Bayh-Bayh, Clinton voters!!!

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN THE RACIST:

MCCAIN ABOUT ASIANS: "I HATE THE GOOKS, I WILL HATE THEM ALL MY LIFE"

MCCAIN ABOUT BLACKS: "I VOTED AGAINST MLK DAY BECAUSE THIS MAN MADE NEGROES STAY DEPENDENT OF WELFARE" (1979)

MCCAIN'S PASTOR HAGGEE ABOUT JEWS: "GOD SENT HITLER TO SLAUGHTER THOSE DIRTY JEWS AND HE DID US A GREAT FAVOR"(~2000)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Do John McCain or conservative republicans respect the moral foundations of this country? The U.S. Constitution was designed to protect the people of America from misguided government.

U.S. Constitution: Amendment I - Freedom of Religion
Right now, for the first time ever, your tax dollars are funding religious groups you may not agree with. To add insult to injury, conservative judges have ruled that taxpayers do not have a right to challenge this expenditure.

Amendment IV - Search and seizure
Under the guise of court action against abortion, Conservative republicans had John Ashcroft subpoena all the medical records of literally thousands of women just like you and members of your family. Conservative republicans are invading your privacy every day. Unfortunately for all of us, they don't appear to care about our U.S. constitution, or by extension, the people of our great country.

Amendment X - Powers of the States and People
John McCain and conservative republicans have tried consistently to overturn States Laws. They used your tax dollars to destroy the will of the people of Oregon, and the famous "Death with Dignity" law; they lost, but undoubtedly will try again. Conservative republicans and John McCain do not respect States Rights.

Amendment VIII - Cruel and Unusual punishment
Would you rather die, or support a government which supported and sanctioned torture? The founding fathers would rather have died, and in fact they were proud to fight and die for our government: A government which specifically outlaws cruel and unusual punishment for very important reasons.

John McCain and the conservative republicans have destroyed the moral foundations of our country. I urge you to keep this in mind in the coming election as we rebuild our nation together by voting Democrat.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Talk all you want. If you don't have brains to choose a president, don't blame nobody just yourselves.

Posted by: N Fern | August 22, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain's camp will probably eat crow just like when they goaded him into going to visit Iraq. It's good for Obama that they seem so eager to take shots at their own feet.
The letter seemed matter of fact to begin and suddenly turned sarcastic and nasty. I'm sure those aligned against Obama will be too visibly angry to show how sheepish they really feel if he actually wins. At least their sentiments would be recorded for future scrutiny.

Posted by: | August 22, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe you people are willing to define Obama by a couple of stupid things that his pastor, a 60 yr old black man who grew up in hard times, said.

How would you like it if America judged Reagan solely by Iran/Contra/Crack cocaine?

If if Bush I got judged by telling Saddam he didn't care if it attacked Kuwait, and then pummeled him when he did.

The Republican Attack Machine works only as long as the people repeating the attacks don't understand the full context of just how crooked the Republicans have been.

Keating Five was big- because the savings and loan scandal was a SCAM that cost taxpayers billions. And Republicans scandals - S&L, Enron - are the worst kind of taxes, it's money from taxpayers to their special interest/big business friends.

Wake up, people. It ain't a black white thing, it's a greed/green thing. Those people, who wanted to get rid of FDR via a coup, because he was creating a new deal for ordinary Americans, those people are crooked! They lie, cheat and steal.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

No hypocrite Obama ever! He can go right back to his pew at his 20 YEAR hate church.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say it, but 3-term Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) is actually well-qualified to be President (too bad he's not on the top of the ticket ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

JR:

Because he was tortured. Thanks to the Internet's inherent factual sloppiness, there's a bevy of zealous left-wing websites, including a YouTube posting, that mistakenly claim that McCain admitted in a 1997 interview with Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes that he committed war crimes. "I am a war criminal," the liberal sites have him saying. But that's just a lefty leap of fantasy. The transcript shows that McCain was in the midst of explaining to Wallace how he had finally broken under torture. "I wrote a confession," he told Wallace. "I was guilty of war crimes against the Vietnamese people. I intentionally bombed women and children."

Of course, he did no such thing. And, the official Obama campaign staff won't touch this with a ten-foot fly fishing rod ...

Bayh Bayh, Obama!!!

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Do you believe that Bush and McCain lied to Americans in saying that:

. The Iraq War was part of the War on terror
. We would be greeted as liberators
. The oil would pay for it
. The goal was to create a democracy
. Mission Accomplished
. The surge in troops has worked

I'm not Clarence Darrow, but if I had those guys under oath, I'd get a conviction.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

it's amazing how many people are taken in by what the candidates say and do. you'd think none of them ever sat in a civics class in school. just ran across an item that could help a lot of voters follow the campaign speeches and see how they are being used: www.straightrecord.com/pavlov

Posted by: jumpingelephant | August 22, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The lavishly-furnished custom Boeing 727 airliner (727PX) which ferried Senator John McCain on four occasions during his Presidential run in 2000 also flew Saudi Royals out of the U.S. right after 9/11, carrying an entourage of Saudi Royals from Las Vegas to London six days after the 9/11 attack in a controversial operation later scrutinized by the 9/11 Commission. The 727 figures in the current tempest over his relationship with female lobbyist Vicki Iseman, who provided and flew with McCain on the plane. With hundreds of air charter companies and airliners to choose from, the Saudis chose a company that owns "Worship Ministries" and Christian Network, Inc., turning to Paxson Communications, a "Christian broadcaster" which owned the plane, to make its corporate jet available to spirit the Saudi princes and their entourage out of the U.S. six days after 9/11. The Saudi Royal party made good their escape from Las Vegas on an airliner sporting a Christian symbol of peace, a dove, on it's tail, an intriguing detail and compelling human interest story?Muslims flying Air Jesus?that has to date been reported nowhere but in the MadCowMorningNews. Go figure.At the time, the controversial evacuation of rich Saudis prompted charges of special treatment and inadequate screening of passengers by the FBI.The FBI, of course, denied it, but in uncharacteristically colorful language. "I say baloney to any inference we red-carpeted any of this entourage," an FBI official wrote in a 2003 internal note. "Red-carpeting the entourage" may be the least of it.The McCain lobbying scandal has been called as "silly as a blonde joke," and an "assault on working women," although the nature of the 'work' being engaged in by the working women under assault was left unspecified. But it may not be as silly as it appears on the surface. You can learn a lot about the players in political scandals these days by remembering the catch phrase from the old TV show Fantasy Island, which each week had an improbably-dressed midget in a tuxedo calling out: "De plane, boss! De plane!" Lobbyist Vicki Iseman, McCain's very own "Campaign Suicide" Blonde, nestled cozily beside Big John McCain on a 727 tricked out to suit the garish tastes of Saudi Royal Princes. A year later this same plane will become one of six flying Saudi evacuation flights which would be scrutinized by the 9/11 Commission.The connection between the Saudi Royal Family and a company that owns "Worship Ministries" and Christian Network, Inc. is not immediately apparent.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

It goes well beyond the Keating Five

By: Steve Benen

When considering John McCain's history of unethical behavior, the list usually starts (and ends) with the Keating Five scandal in the 1980s, for which McCain was rebuked by the Senate Ethics Committee for having shown, at a minimum, poor judgment. In the aftermath, McCain helped improve his public image, and bury the scandal, by becoming an advocate of campaign-finance reform. But the notion that McCain cleaned up his act may not be entirely true. Take, for example, Donald Diamond, a wealthy Arizona real estate developer and generous McCain contributor, who wanted some coastal land in California freed up by an Army base closing. When Mr. Diamond wanted to buy land at the base, Fort Ord, Mr. McCain assigned an aide who set up a meeting at the Pentagon and later stepped in again to help speed up the sale, according to people involved and a deposition Mr. Diamond gave for a related lawsuit. When he appealed to a nearby city for the right to develop other property at the former base, Mr. Diamond submitted Mr. McCain's endorsement as ?a close personal friend." Writing to officials in the city, Seaside, Calif., the senator said, "You will find him as honorable and committed as I have." Courting local officials and potential partners, Mr. Diamond's team promised that he could "help get through some of the red tape in dealing with the Department of the Army" because Mr. Diamond "has been very active with Senator McCain," a partner said in a deposition. For Mr. McCain, the Arizona Republican who has staked two presidential campaigns on pledges to avoid even the appearance of dispensing an official favor for a donor, Mr. Diamond is the kind of friend who can pose a test. Ya think? The closer one looks at this, the worse it appears. In California, the McCain aide?s assistance with the Army helped Mr. Diamond complete a purchase in 1999 that he soon turned over for a $20 million profit. And Mr. McCain's letter of recommendation reinforced Mr. Diamond's selling point about his McCain connections as he pursued ? and won in 2005 ? a potentially much more lucrative deal to develop a resort hotel and luxury housing. In Arizona, Mr. McCain has helped Mr. Diamond with matters as small as forwarding a complaint in a regulatory skirmish over the endangered pygmy owl, and as large as introducing legislation remapping public lands. In 1991 and 1994, Mr. McCain sponsored two laws sought by Mr. Diamond that resulted in providing him millions of dollars and thousands of acres in exchange for adding some of his properties to national parks. The Arizona senator co-sponsored a third similar bill now before the Senate. ? For the California projects, the campaign said the McCain aide arranged the introduction to an Army official for Mr. Diamond?s team as "a constituent matter." Oh, is that what the kids are calling it these days? McCain helped a wealthy and generous donor buy land from the Army ? complete with special water rights ? for a quarter of a million dollars, which McCain's buddy then sold two years later for $20 million. There's a term for this ? it's called "influence peddling," and it's exactly the kind of thing McCain swears he never gets involved with. If the Rezko story was considered a big deal by campaign reporters, the Donald Diamond issue should be huge. Why the New York Times ran this the day of the Pennsylvania primary, when it's likely to get lost in the shuffle, is a mystery to me. If this same story ran on Thursday morning, it would have become the talk of the political world in a hurry.

Posted by: Don | August 22, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"Next question?

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 6:39 PM"

So why do you think McCain called himself a war criminal?

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I think all the Dems have to do now is keep up with how out of touch Senator McCain really is. The whole thing with McCain and the homes is simply brilliant and is the right way to keep at it.

Without doubt, this choices in this election are simple.
Do we keep with Bush's disastrous policies or not?
I say... NOT!

Posted by: Will D, | August 22, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Do you believe that Bush and McCain lied to Americans in making their case for the Iraq War?

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

It is NOT a moral crime to be a torture victim and make a false confession. It is a moral (federal, State, and international) crime to actually be a war criminal. Next question?

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

It has been said that truth is the first casualty is war, but the notion that politicians should lie to congress - and to their consituents - to get into war is, in my opinion, about as reprehensible of a crime that a politician can commit.

If it turns out that we sold out the lives of thousands of young Americans for big oil and the military industrial complex, there will be hell to pay.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

So JakeD, answer the question directly or leave your intellectual cowardice somewhere else:

Is being a war criminal a moral crime?

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!! Those are not MORAL (or federal) crimes. Next canard(s)?

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"The President cannot pardon "moral" crimes, only federal ones. That being said, McCain is not guilty of any moral crime either.

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 6:19 PM"

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"I am a war criminal" John McCain.

Is that not a moral crime to you JakeD?

Posted by: JR | August 22, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Jake,

He did say that our (mostly Christian) American army would be greeted in Iraq as liberators and, among other 'things' that the war would be short. There's a list of things he said about Iraq, including about the surge, many of which are just not true.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The President cannot pardon "moral" crimes, only federal ones. That being said, McCain is not guilty of any moral crime either.

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I''d like to see an OBAMA/POWELL ticket. Then the bounce would be even higher...and permanent!!

....Then Lieberman could be Mccain''s VP selection. He has the experience. His dynamic style helped Al Gore come in second, and he would most assuredly help Mccain come in second as well. You go JOE! And we hope soon!

Posted by: benighse | August 22, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

You can't break a natural law, though; only yourself against it...

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Its at least a moral crime....something Republicans don't understand.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

speculation that Bayh is the pick:

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama is gonna choose billionaire NYC mayor Bloomberg because that is his instruction from the oligarghy (international bankers and financiers) controlling the elections. Obama is their puppet. Bloomberg will privatize the US government to profit big time $$$ as planned because their wealth is going down with bad economy and currency. Bloomberg will privatize US programs, infrastructure and jobs and forsake President FDR's policies that benefits 80% of the forgotten people and Constitution.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama is gonna choose billionaire NYC mayor Bloomberg because that is his instruction from the oligarghy (international bankers and financiers) controlling the elections. Obama is their puppet. Bloomberg will privatize the US government to profit big time $$$ as planned because their wealth is going down with bad economy and currency. Bloomberg will privatize US programs, infrastructure and jobs and forsake President FDR's policies that benefits 80% of the forgotten people and Constitution.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I know there's a statute prohibiting the PENTAGON from doing so within the U.S. I'm just wondering if there's a similar law that would apply to SENATOR McCain? Oh, that's right, there's not. No need for a pardon.

Thanks for playing.

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Jake

Ask an attorney with a research program.
I am not an attorney. I just saw a show on NBC which rolled McCain's lies on Letterman, and then quoted the law.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 22, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Becker:

Do you have a specific statute in mind re: McCain's "crimes relating to false propaganda to lead the US to war against IRAQ, done at Bush's bidding"?

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 5:57 PM

It is a crime to produce false propaganda for the purpose of leading the US to war. I dont need to know the statute number.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 22, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

No; no; no! No more! Not this time, consiglieri. No more meetin's, no more discussions, no more Sollozzo tricks. You give'em one message: it's all-out war. All war, all the time!

Posted by: Yo soy la muerte | August 22, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

McCain got a wedding license for Cindy while he was still married, and he married her two months after his divorce was final.

So it is safe to say that he was nailing Cindy (and, by all accounts, some others) while still married.

He probably went up to them and said "I was a POW, but they never dared torture me by the standards of the future Bush administration".

Posted by: Chuckles | August 22, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

McCain cannot remember how many houses he owns and he cannot remember why he went into the room. In the Senate he is known as NOT A DETAIL MAN. That is polite Senator-speak for cannot remember what we told him last week.
The houses are just like the border of IRAN and whether the Al-Quaida is sunni or shi'a. Memory issues. Early warnings of Alzheimer's.
It is not about the money. Lots of people have 8 or 10 properties.

It is about recalling simple facts. He can't. He should not be trusted with answering a 3 AM phone call.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 22, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Becker:

Do you have a specific statute in mind re: McCain's "crimes relating to false propaganda to lead the US to war against IRAQ, done at Bush's bidding"?

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Chuckles:

Perhaps you missed the Saddleback Forum where REPUBLICAN John McCain referred to his own first marriage?

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse


Thanks - I was wondering how John and Cindy McCain met! Was it while he was still married, or after he tossed his crippled old wife under the bus?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 5:49 PM

They met while McVain was still married. Cindi was 25.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 22, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

John McCain wants to reinstate the draft so our children can die for Exxon. McCain's voting record on issues regarding our troops and veterans: It's abysmal -- do an internet search and read for yourself; McCain's voting record on women's issues: It's abysmal -- do an internet search and read for yourself -- this is of particular importance to Hillary supporters who are thinking of voting for McCain -- after reading his record, there will be no question that Hillary supporters should NOT vote for McCain. Do an internet search of McCain's voting record on any issues facing Americans today, and you will see how time and time again McCain votes for the interests of big business, big money and rich people, and time and time again McCain votes to give the finger to the rest of us who are just trying to get by in this world and make a living. McCain does not care about anyone but the rich. This is an important vote this year. Don't vote for McCain unless you want your children to die so the oil companies can rake in even bigger profits than the $1,500 a second they are earning today. McCain will kill your children for Exxon.

Posted by: Republican4Obama | August 22, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Bush will pardon McCain for his crimes relating to false propaganda to lead the US to war against IRAQ, done at Bush's bidding. The source for the McCain false 'intel' was Cheney.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 22, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Except when oral contact with an intern is involved. That's quite different, so judge away!

Posted by: Chuckles | August 22, 2008 5:37 PM

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Thanks - I was wondering how John and Cindy McCain met! Was it while he was still married, or after he tossed his crippled old wife under the bus?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama's endorsement by the communist New Party brought with it about a dozen volunteers to work on his campaign

Obama Campaign Finance Shenanigans
With all that money rolling in, it is to be expected that some of it is being used in a way that either skirts the letter of the law or breaks it.

Michelle Malkin is on the story of $800 thousand that went to the far left group ACORN for "advance work" that was funneled to them not by the Obama campaign but through an organization called "Citizen Services, Inc."

It turns out that Citizens Service, Inc. and ACORN share the same address in New Orleans. And the more than $800,000 given by the Obama campaign to this group was remarkable considering that the average amount paid for "advance work" in 1200 other entries on Obama's FEC report was around $540.

What was it for? Malkin has a rundown:


$310,441.20 25-FEB-08 STAGING, SOUND, LIGHTING
$160,689.40 27-FEB-08 STAGING, SOUND, LIGHTING
$98,451.20 29-FEB-08 TRAVEL/LODGING
$74,578.01 13-MAR-08 STAGING, SOUND, LIGHTING
$18,417.00 28-MAR-08 POLLING
$18,633.60 29-APR-08 STAGING, SOUND, LIGHTING
$63,000.00 29-APR-08 ADVANCE WORK
$105.84 02-MAY-08 LICENSE FEES
$105.84 02-MAY-08 LICENSE FEES
$75,000.00 17-MAY-08 ADVANCE WORK
$13,176.20 17-MAY-08 PER DIEM


These are obviously bogus entries and the money went to ACORN for political work done on behalf of Obama. This would violate ACORN's tax exempt charter since they are supposedly a non-partisan, non political organization - a laughable designation that everyone has known for years is false.

The Pittsburgh Trib has fleshed out the story:


U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat's campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports.


An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. - a subsidiary of ACORN - worked in "get-out-the-vote" projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.


FEC spokeswoman Mary Brandenberger said it is not unusual for campaigns to amend reports, even regarding large sums of money.


But, said Blair Latoff, spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee: "Barack Obama's failure to accurately report his campaign's financial records is an incredibly suspicious situation that appears to be an attempt to hide his campaign's interaction with a left-wing organization previously convicted of voter fraud. For a candidate who claims to be practicing ‘new' politics, his FEC reports look an awful lot like the ‘old-style' Chicago politics of yesterday."

There's much more at the link.

Bottom line is that ACORN and Obama go back a long way. At least back to the early 1990's when Obama was a lawyer who represented ACORN in a case before the Illinois Supreme Court. Obama also trained ACORN leaders in community organizing techniques. And in his first run for the state senate, Obama's endorsement by the communist New Party brought with it about a dozen volunteers to work on his campaign - many of them ACORN activists.

Watch for this breaking story of Obama returning money used illegally by ACORN on your national news tonight...Yeah, right.


85,000 Americans died fighting Communism and Obama is endorsed by the Communist party....who gives a crap about Mc Cains wealth or his age, at least he's an American.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_finance_shenani.html

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain wants to be President, so he can be President.

This whole thing is just a Bucket List item for McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Pastor Hagee — whose endorsement Sen. McCain said he was glad to have — said that Katrina was the judgment of God against the sinful city of New Orleans. I wonder if some Far Right Religious Nutjob is going to piss the good people of Florida off by saying something about Tropical Storm Fay...

Posted by: Fate, Chance, Kings, and Desperate McCain | August 22, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain lives in a bubble where private jets, beachfront condos, mountain estates, $500 loafers, wining and dining are the NORM. And, there is nothing wrong with that if that is what you aspire to.


BUT IF YOU ASPIRE TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND WANT TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE LARGEST AND MOST INFLUENTIAL ECONOMY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD YOU HAD BETTER CARE ABOUT HOW THAT ECONOMY AFFECTS YOUR CONSTITUENTS!!!


Pardon my yelling. And the numerous examples of McCain being clueless about this, from McCain's economic adviser Phil Gramm calling Americans whiners, to suggesting Americans are experiencing a mental recession, to the statement that the economy is fundamentally strong, to the fact he admits he doesn't know much about the economy, to the fact that he says he is not your guy if your issue is housing, to the fact that he can't remember or does not want to admit how many houses he has, to the fact that he often forgets important information on everything from the price of a gallon of gas to world geography and ethnic groups, all add up to create the TRUTH:


McCain has lived in a wealth sheltered bubble that has grown to larger and larger proportions and it has detached him from the REAL PAIN THAT MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE EXPERIENCING.

Posted by: Johnny Rotten | August 22, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

>Judge not, that ye be not judged

Except when oral contact with an intern is involved. That's quite different, so judge away!

Posted by: Chuckles | August 22, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Judge not, that ye be not judged

Posted by: Matthew 7:1 | August 22, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Only godless Democrats would be so crass as to refer to McCain's first marriage. Such personal matters should not be part of politics (except if Clinton is involved of course).

I was watching Hannity last week, and he said that McCain's cheating is different from Edwards' cheating, because McCain was a POW. (That is exactly what he said.) Even though McCain wasn't tortured by current US standards, he was tortured by the standards that applied then, so he suffered terribly and as a result he isn't quite right in the head, which made him cheat on his wife. But that's got NOTHING to do with his qualifications to be President, which is based on his long experience in executive positions. Obama doesn't have that.

Posted by: Chuckles | August 22, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Anyhow, my earlier reference was in response to the fine retired gentleman's claim that McCain was going to win thanks to God Almighty. I replied that God's will, should it become manifest in this election, might surprise him. Or me. Good day,

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 5:24 PM

God is not a citizen and doesn't vote in U.S. elections.

The devil, it seems, does play an active role.

Posted by: Aleks | August 22, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I have read it.
Basically, slavery was to end because it was time God willing it to end.
And the United States was doing that honor for humankind....
Posted by: pete | August 22, 2008 5:20 PM

Wrong.


Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."
Abraham Lincoln, 1865

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?" -- Lincoln

Anyhow, my earlier reference was in response to the fine retired gentleman's claim that McCain was going to win thanks to God Almighty. I replied that God's will, should it become manifest in this election, might surprise him. Or me. Good day,

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

John McCain was a POW for 5 years, so he would never cheat, lie or steal. If Obama doesn't get at least a 15-point bump, it means he's a loser.

Posted by: Chuckles | August 22, 2008 5:22 PM
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I think his first wife and most of america disagree, but thanks for the laugh!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

John McCain was a POW for 5 years, so he would never cheat, lie or steal. If Obama doesn't get at least a 15-point bump, it means he's a loser.

Posted by: Chuckles | August 22, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Bill Clinton go on to win? I know it's typical to set expectations, but this memo sounds like they're expecting Obama to win the election. So if McCain loses, his advisers can say they saw it coming?

Posted by: Aleks | August 22, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I have read it.
Basically, slavery was to end because it was time God willing it to end.
And the United States was doing that honor for humankind....

Posted by: pete | August 22, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Now we all know that somehow McCain reminds us of a massive whitish and pinkish scar somehow.

Posted by: tanaS | August 22, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to start any blasphemous rumors but I think that Sly has a sick sense of humor and when Obama wins I expect to find Sly crying...

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

No thanks, Franky. You want a soda?

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

To: Sly Justice | August 22, 2008 5:13 PM

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Republicans sure seem to want Obama as their Lord!

I think he would be a much better POTUS, but freedom of religion is true for even Republican extremists.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

To: JakeD | August 22, 2008 5:06 PM

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You're welcome to post it for me when I'm too busy elsewhere...

Posted by: Franky | August 22, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The commandments of the Obama campaign:
1. He is Obama, thou shall not idolize other presidential candidates.
2. Thou shall not misinterpret the name of Barrack Hussein Obama.
3. Thou shall not criticize Obama, because he is always Wright.
4. Thou shall always honor Obama’s patriotism.
5. Thou shall not steal the limelight from Obama.
6. Thou shall not adulterate Obama’s experience.
7. Thou shall not covet Obama's campaign money.
8. Thou shall not covet Obama's Mansion.
9. Thou shall not bear witness to Obama's questionable past.
10. Stay respectful of Obama’s inevitable election day.

Posted by: Sly Justice | August 22, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

When I think of McCain i think of yellowing toenails - could be fungus infected, teeth erosion from gums; creaking joints; confused thinking; rapidly failing memory,and Depends Adult diapers.

Posted by: tanaS | August 22, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Pete,

I don't believe it was either, but there are those who do. You might want to read Lincoln's 2nd inaugural address...

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Franky. I was wondering where you were off to. Everything O.K.?

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Corruption Anon

The Civil War wasn't "God's revenge on America".
Slavery existed for 10,000 years before the founding of the United States of America.
If anything, the Civil War was the honorable price the United States paid for the freedom of all the slaves.

Posted by: pete | August 22, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have us at war in two countries as a result of Republican lies and deceptions, and we might be in two more wars--Iran and Pakistan--by November. We have alienated the entire Muslim world and most of the rest.

The dollar has lost 60% of its value against the euro, and the once mighty dollar is losing its reserve currency role.

The Republicans' policies have driven up the price of both oil and gold by 400%.

Inflation is in double digits. Employment is falling.

The Republican economy in the 21st century has been unable to create net new jobs for Americans except for low wage domestic services such as waitresses, bartenders, retail clerks and hospital orderlies.

Republican deregulation brought about fraud in mortgage lending and dangerous financial instruments which have collapsed the housing market, leaving a million or more homeowners facing foreclosure. The financial system is in disarray and might collapse from insolvency.

The trade and budget deficits have exploded. The US trade deficit is larger than the combined trade deficits of every deficit country in the world.

The US can no longer finance its wars or its own government and relies on foreign loans to function day to day. To pay for its consumption, the US sells its existing assets--companies, real estate, toll roads, whatever it can offer--to foreigners.

Republicans have run roughshod over the US Constitution, Congress, the courts and civil liberties. Republicans have made it perfectly clear that they believe that our civil liberties make us unsafe--precisely the opposite view of our Founding Fathers. Yet, Republicans regard themselves as the Patriotic Party.

The Republicans have violated the Nuremberg prohibitions against war crimes, and they have violated the Geneva Conventions against torture and abuse of prisoners. Republican disregard for human rights ranks with that of history's great tyrants.

The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state, which they have no problem using against fellow citizens!

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for any of us!


Posted by: Franky | August 22, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand the rose colored glasses. I've listened to all the Obama speeches and I just don't buy it at all. I'm not saying McCain is much better, if any at all, but at least we know what to expect, like it or not. The thought of electing someone to be the President of this country just because they can read some clever speeches and the (predictably liberal) media is madly in love with them really leads me to believe just how gullible our citizens can be. We are spoon-fed bull by TV anchors, internet bloggers, and radio hosts and we just eat it up so that we can regurgitate some of it at the next dinner party and try to sound "progressive." People open your eyes and think with your brains. Why are you obsessing over theses people whom you know so little about? Have you know John McCain or Barak Obama, personally, for a long time? If the answer is "no" and you still insist on slobbering over the chance to tell the world how wonderful they are and that their opponent is a horrible person, then you are a mindless moron. Your opinions are based on propaganda and it just proves that you are unwilling to truly think for yourselves.

Posted by: Craig | August 22, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Susan,

McCain married into an organized crime family. He's dirty, and he's going down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hensley#Early_business_career.2C_legal_issues

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans sure have low expectations for themselves.

I guess that is justified given who is their leader.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Saddleback was a sham to help McCain by giving him the questions in advance. Typical Republican move.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

WTF:

Bush did not use an electronic transmitter during the debates. You probably think that McCain listened to Obama's questioning at Saddleback too, right?

Oregon4Obama:

And, the memo didn't even mention he was a POW for 5 1/2 years : )

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

If any one of us was running for president would we really want to showcase all that we might have? Some people have a lot but are very shy about showing it, and some are very proud about showing it while some just love to flaunt it. My impression of McCain is that he has enjoyed immensely being well off. I am not sure that is a bad thing at all. Barack is an elitist not so much because of his financial status, but because he is in his mind intellectually superior to the rest of us. If you watch him deal with the press and if you watched his debates with Hillary it was like it was all he could do to sit next to her and listen to her babble. I am certain she picked up on that. He treats the press like children, which admittedly they act like most of the time, but they are his cheering squad and are directly responsible for his success. He shouldn't bite the hand that feeds him.

McCain really is that guy that doesn't allow bumps in the road to get in his way. He may prove to be a street fighter as well. Time will tell.

Posted by: Susan | August 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

This is hiliarious like when the Bush campaign said Kerry was the "greatest debater since Cicero" in order to low ball Bush's debate performances (even though Bush used an electronic transmitter).

Posted by: WTF | August 22, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow.....i think this is the only thing I have seen from the Mccain camp that diddnt attack Obama, it stated past facts and applied it to a potential Obama future...

Posted by: Oregon4Obama | August 22, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse


Any one of the following should have been a showstopper for Obama:

Rezko and his support (bribes) to Obama
W. Ayers
Rev Wright (not the man; Obama's support of the theology)
Michelle Obama's America hatred
His voting record
His live baby bill

Posted by: Billw | August 22, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The Haves, The Have Mores and John McCain


Eight years ago, then Governor George W. Bush revealingly joked about his backers at the 2000 Al Smith Dinner. "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," Bush said, adding, "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base." With his own quip Saturday night that "$5 million" is his definition of "rich," John McCain made no mistake that he is Bush's natural heir.


Now, there is nothing wrong with being happily rich and utterly detached. Nothing, that is, unless you make criticizing your political opponent as "elitist" and "out of touch" a centerpiece of your campaign. Rick Davis, speaking on behalf of his $100 million man John McCain, earlier this month offered the latest formulation of Barack Obama as an effete, aloof denizen of the upper class:

"Only celebrities like Barack Obama go to the gym three times a day, demand 'MET-RX chocolate roasted-peanut protein bars and bottles of a hard-to-find organic brew - Black Forest Berry Honest Tea' and worry about the price of arugula."
Of course, Davis' "arugula war" is just another attempt at misdirection. After all, John McCain's $5 million threshold where "you move from middle class to rich" is just the latest episode of his enduring disconnect from the real lives of the American people.


For starters, McCain in April declared that there had been "great progress economically" during the Bush years. On more than one occasion, he diagnosed Americans' concerns over the dismal U.S. economy as "psychological." (Phil Gramm, McCain's close friend and adviser supposedly excommunicated over his "whiners" remarks, was back with the campaign last week.) McCain, a man who owns eight homes nationwide, in March lectured Americans facing foreclosure that they ought to be "doing what is necessary -- working a second job, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets -- to make their payments on time." And when all else fails, McCain told the people of the economically devastated regions in Martin County, Kentucky and Youngstown, Ohio, there's always eBay.


McCain's shocking tone-deafness may just be a matter of perspective. When you're as well off as he is, anything below a $5 million income (a figure exceeding that earned on average by the top 0.1% of Americans) seems middle class.


-The $100 Million Man:
Courtesy of his wife Cindy's beer distribution fortune (one her late father apparently chose not to share with her half-sister Kathleen), the McCains are worth well over $100 million. (In the two-page tax summary she eventually released to the public, Cindy McCain reported another $6 million in 2006.) The second Mrs. McCain's millions were essential in launching her husband's political career. Unsurprisingly, the Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti, who four years ago called Theresa Heinz-Kerry a "sugar mommy," has been silent on the topic of Cindy McCain.


-The Joys of (Eight) Home Ownership:
While fellow adulterer John Edwards was pilloried for his mansion, John McCain's eight homes around the country have received little notice or criticism. His properties include a 10 acre lake-side Sedona estate, euphemistically called a "cabin" by the McCain campaign, and a home featured in Architectural Digest. The one featuring "remote control window coverings" was recently put up for sale. Still, their formidable resources did not prevent the McCains from failing to pay taxes on a tony La Jolla, California condo used by Cindy's aged aunt.


-The Anheuser-Busch Windfall:
As it turns out, the beauty of globalization is in the eye of the beholder. While John McCain apparently played a critical role in facilitating DHL's takeover of Airborne (and with it, the looming loss of 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio), Cindy McCain is set to earn a staggering multi-million dollar pay-day from the acquisition of Anheuser-Busch by the Belgian beverage giant, In Bev. As the Wall Street Journal reported in July, Mrs. McCain runs the third largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship in the nation, and owns between $2.5 and $5 million in the company's stock. Amazingly, while Missouri's politicians of both parties lined up to try to block the sale, John McCain held a fundraiser in the Show Me State even as the In Bev deal was being finalized.


-McCain's $370,000 Personal Tax Break: Earlier this year, the Center for American Progress analyzed John McCain's tax proposals. The conclusion? McCain's plan is radically more regressive than even that of President Bush, delivering 58% of its benefits to the wealthiest 1% of American taxpayers. McCain's born-again support for the Bush tax cuts for the rich has one additional bonus for Mr. Straight Talk: the McCains would save an estimated $373,000 a year.


-Paying Off $225,000 Credit Card Debt: Priceless. That massive windfall from his own tax plan will come in handy for John McCain. As was reported in June, the McCains were carrying over $225,000 in credit card debt. The American Express card - don't leave your homes without it.


-Charity Begins at Home:
The McCains are true believers in the old saying that charity begins at home:
Between 2001 and 2006, McCain contributed roughly $950,000 to [their] foundation. That accounted for all of its listed income other than for $100 that came from an anonymous donor. During that same period, the McCain foundation made contributions of roughly $1.6 million. More than $500,000 went to his kids' private schools, most of which was donated when his children were attending those institutions. So McCain apparently received major tax deductions for supporting elite schools attended by his children.
Ironically, the McCain campaign last week blasted Barack Obama for having attended a private school in Hawaii on scholarship. That attack came just weeks after John McCain held an event at his old prep school, Episcopal High, an institution where fees now top $38,000 a year.


-Private Jet Setters:
As the New York Times detailed back in April, John McCain enjoyed the use of his wife's private jet for his campaign, courtesy of election law loopholes he helped craft. Despite the controversy, McCain continued to use Cindy's corporate jet. For her part, Cindy McCain says that even with skyrocketing fuel costs, "in Arizona the only way to get around the state is by small private plane."


-Help on the Homefront:
In these tough economic times, the McCains are able to stretch their household budget. As the AP reported in April, "McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain."


-Well-Heeled in $520 Shoes:
If clothes make the man, then John McCain has it made. As Huffington Post noted in July, "He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop - from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA." It is altogether fitting that McCain wore the golden loafers during a golf outing with President George H.W. Bush in which he rode around in cart displaying the sign, "Property of Bush #41. Hands Off."


And so it goes. John McCain proclaims $5 million finally makes you rich. Meanwhile, ABC's Charlie Gibson thinks a $200,000 income makes you middle class. And his colleague Cokie Roberts claims Barack Obama's vacation to his home state of Hawaii was "exotic."


Here's some more "Straight-Talk"...my friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEmPZoRVRII&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/14/105528/983/690/567807
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Posted by: ace mcfunkenstein | August 22, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S PLAN WILL CUT TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS MORE THAN MCCAIN'S PLAN

Analysts Say That Obama's Tax Cut Plan "Offers Three Times The Break For Middle Class Families Than Proposals" Of McCain. "The tax cut plan of Democratic nominee to be Barack Obama offers three times the break for middle class families than proposals of likely Republican nominee John McCain, according to analysts working for a left-leaning think tank. Families making between $37,595 and $66,354 of annual income with Obama would get an average tax cut of $1,042 per family while McCain's tax cut for this group would be $319, the report states." [Nashua Telegraph, 6/12/08]

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Washington Post Fact Checker: McCain Campaign Attacks on Obama Tax Plan "Overblown," "Wrong," and "Greatly Exaggerated." "The McCain camp is attempting to persuade Americans that their taxes will increase dramatically with Barack Obama as president. The presumptive Republican nominee has repeatedly said that Obama would enact 'the largest tax increase since the Second World War.' A surrogate, former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, insists that Obama has not proposed 'a single tax cut' and wants to 'raise every tax in the book.' ... The claim that Obama will 'enact' the largest tax increase since World War II is also overblown. The Bush tax cuts will expire automatically at the end of 2010, so it is hardly a question of 'enacting' a new tax increase. ... Carly Fiorina is wrong to claim that Obama has proposed no tax cuts and wants to raise 'every tax in the book.' John McCain is on more solid ground when he claims that Americans from many different backgrounds could be affected by a rise in capital gains taxes, but he has greatly exaggerated the adverse impact." [Washington Post, 6/11/08]

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, man, you don't talk to the Captain. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...

Posted by: John's my Hero | August 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

An expected bounce of 15 points is silliness. 6 points would be nice - even 3 would not be unexpected. Nate Silver at http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/what-convention-bounce-looks-like.html has done the math and knows of what he speaks.

Posted by: CarolBG | August 22, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I expect a 300pt jump!

LOL - Why do people vote for these Republican terrorists? Are they uninformed or just evil?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary supporters are all sexist.

Here is my logic:

Obviously you support a candidate because you believe that the candidate has good ideas and values. SO if Hillary Clinton is supporting Barrack Obama for president, then here values are with the democrats, and having a democratic president in november.

So when a Hillary support says she will not vote for Barrack Obama, they are saying that they will not listen to what Hillary Clinton's values are.

Are you people voting for Hillary Clinton, or just voting for a women?

If you are just voting for a candidate becuase that person is a women, YOU ARE SEXIST.

It works both ways. You can either be a Hillary supporter and vote for Obama like HILLARY WILL DO, or you can be sexist and vote for a class of person instead of values of a person.

QED

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a good man who needs to take his 100% disablity claim and retire.

We do not need him as president, he has already done enough for the country. Lets get a young man in there.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see the polls after the VP announcement but my guess is he will wait to announce his VP until after the polls are done for the week. Look! The daily Gallup is in and he leads by one point. But if you check in at http://www.bop-o-rama.com, Obama is still having trouble motivating his base in cyberspace. This real-time open poll shows his total fast approaching 500,000. Team Obama needs to get more licks in. McCain's count is still below 300,000.

Posted by: acarponzo | August 22, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a good man, and politics get nasty, but he has served America his entire life. He doesn't deserve the disrespect. He will win the White House, People will see over the "Historic Value" and see Obama for what he is. An arrogant stuffed Shirt.

Posted by: Rusty | August 22, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I hope McCain is right.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't McCain sealed the deal with the American voters?

Posted by: thebob.bob | August 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

it is not just a bump...no madam...it is a sure lead that will ultimately take obama to the white house,
as americans we are surely tired of the same old policies and stupid wars that have eaten the cake meant for poor americans.
OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT. OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT
MCCAIN PLEASE VOTE FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: wesley clinton | August 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Corruption Anon,
You are on to me...Well done! How'd ya like to be a prophet? Hours are good. Great benefits! I have an opening. You know how to reach me if interested.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | August 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

This was why Republicans are so uncomfortable with McCain. They can't defend him because they are not 100% with him. Deep down they really wish they chose someone else because the Wingnuts know this is not going to be their election year.

Here's some Latte Sipping Elitists...my friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJGudkju0g&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/8/14/105528/983/199
.

Posted by: ZappoDave | August 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Okay, then I predict the McCains will buy eight more houses between now and convention time.

Posted by: ericmiami | August 22, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I was just pointing to the fact that the odds appear to favor Obama.

And as for God Almighty, McCain's first visit to a N.O. oil rig being cancelled due to the massive oil spill there might have been a sign... ;-)

Some say that the Civil War was God's revenge on America for slavery; if so, then Obama is the penance America will pay for 100 years of Jim Crow.

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous:

If I was McCain, I'd make this election a referendum on Barack Hussein Obama.

Corruption Anon:

I don't gamble on-line, but I do trust in God Almighty.

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

No one - not even the media - will buy this forecast from McCain. 15 points is just insane.

How about a 15 point bounce for McCain after St. Paul?

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: mpp | August 22, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

All I know is that after Bush and Cheney's speeches at his own convention, McCain will get a negative bump.

Posted by: Why oh why | August 22, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that the mccain camp spends too much time worryin' about Obama. If I was Mccain, I think I'd pay attention to my own sorry campaign - and maybe change a thing or two before Mccains reputation is totally destroyed.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse


ODE TO OBAMA OPUS 1, ACT 1

Now some think Obama's a white knight,
But he really is not all that bright..
Just bright enough to climb
Up the ladder with slime
Like Rezko, Ayers, and Wright,

Posted by: Billw | August 22, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Jake, why do you think McCain will win? And you do know that you can buy his prospects at intrade for 40c on the dollar. 150% return in less than three months... How strongly do you really feel about that...

Posted by: Corruption Anon | August 22, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

As the ACTUAL first black Presidential Nominee, I would be surprised if Obama doesn't at least match the 16 point bump that Bill Clinton got after his 1992 convention. McCain's got a long road ahead of him, but he will win in the end.

Posted by: JakeD | August 22, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

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