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Michigan and Florida Delegations Regain Full Convention Voting Rights

By Jonathan Weisman
DENVER -- First comes the crime, then comes the punishment. But in politics, there is always forgiveness.

The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee today voted to restore full voting rights to the convention delegates from Florida and Michigan, capping a tumultuous year that saw them stripped of all voting rights, then awarded a half a vote each, only to be forgiven on the eve of the party's national convention.

Earlier this month, presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama had written to the three co-chairs of the Rules and Bylaws Committee, requesting that Florida and Michigan be made whole, under the compromise that recognized the results of the two states' nullified primaries early this year but with some adjustments in Obama's favor.

Obama could afford to be magnanimous. Even with full voting rights, Florida and Michigan no longer represent a threat to his nomination later this week, although the states' delegates tilt toward Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. And Clinton appears ready to release her delegates and let them go their own way when the roll of delegates is called.

"We realize that mistakes have been made, but we're excited in Florida," said Scott Maddox, a former Florida Democratic chairman and a member of the credentials committee. "We have suffered enough."

Florida and Michigan were strongly sanctioned when they moved up their states' primaries in violation of party rules. A Democratic Party official today said the message got through, even if the delegates ultimately will get a full vote. After Florida and Michigan made their moves, a slew of other states threatened to move forward their primaries and caucuses. The sanctions were imposed to make an example of Michigan and Florida, and the move worked, the official said. Order was re-established.

"We would take the position that they were sanctioned," the official said.

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Comments

You know, Hillary represents more of what I believe in as a republican than McCain does. And if counting Florida and Michigan puts Hillary up for the nomination, then I'm definitly voting for her.

Posted by: Justaguy | August 25, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

As a lifelong Republican it pains me to say that if John McCain chooses either Lieberman or Romney to his ticket I will be voting Democratic this year. I'm also an Evangelical and neither of those two believe Jesus was the son of God. That's a deal killer for me and all my friends.

Posted by: Mark | August 25, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

As a life long Democrat, I can not, in good conscience, cast my vote for Obama. I continue to dislike the man for his actions & non-actions, for his tall tales, etc. I believe he will continue the downslide of our country.
McCain has flip-flopped on important issues that Democrats believe in, heart & soul, but his image as a maverick remains. It is the image of his bucking Bush on many issues which gives me the hope that, if elected, he will once more become his own man & sign bills which he truly believes will help the nation & its people, not as the neo-coms
want him to do. I will take the gamble.

Posted by: A. Federman | August 25, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Those Clinton supporters voting for McCain surprise me. Considering he used to poke fun at Chelsey, wants to take away abortion rights, and has no qualms about us engaging in even more wars...

...is this really what you're fighting for?

Posted by: wolf | August 25, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

There are questions lingering about obama's character and associations.. you can see what happened after racist pastor wright videos surfaced in the media.. unless these are addressed, no one will vote for him other than few brain dead paid volunteers

Posted by: jon | August 25, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

WWWQueen: You're absolutely right. The race is over and the Clintons need to do the right thing and gracefully conceed once and for all. We need unity now more than ever and the in-fighting just makes us all look weak. Before the roll call Hillary should just tell her supporters she doesn't want a single vote. Sen. Obama would certainly do the same.

Posted by: Buffalojoe | August 25, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

wwwqueen:

You believe that I am a "repugnican in disguise"? You don't think there are ANY legitimate Democrats who voted for Bill Clinton twice who have some concerns about doing so for Barack Obama?

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to distance himself from the DNC R&B Committee disaster. Their appeasment of FL and MI just makes the whole party look weak. He needs to get out ahead of this whole mess pronto with another press statement.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I guess the repugnicans in disguise are fast losing their disguise. I know they have fostered a lot of the diatribe on these blogs.

I have, for instance, always believed that "Jake D" was one of them. I do believe that any Hillary supporter calling Mr. Obama arrogant and a liar need to look at some of the things that came out of their own power play.

To suggest that Obama supporters violated some kind of trust in a diatribe against Hillary supporters is simply the pot calling the kettle black. Supporters of both candidates went a little over the top in that primary campaign - but I would say that I never saw an instance in which Mr. Obama himself ever supported that kind of politics. I can't say the same of Ms. (or Mr.) Clinton.

Posted by: wwwqueen | August 25, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Back to the topic, not only did Florida and Michigan get full (bonus) voting rights back, they got prime seating:

http://www.demconvention.com/delegate-seating/

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Unintentional"?! You've never watched The Colbert Report?

Posted by: JakeD | August 25, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Reading dragonfly's, Aspergirl's, and JakeD's comments make me feel much more comfortable about my mental health. Lords of unintentional comedy.

Posted by: Gribbler | August 25, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

SheilaD:

Do you exceed 250?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I hope that when Hillary addresses the convention that she will encourage us to vote our conscience, instead of just blindly urging support of Barak Obama. I’ve just become so disillusioned with the disingenuousness of our party and if she takes the podium in Denver and urges us to vote for Sen. Obama just because he is now the nominee, then she will become just another enabler in the demise of the Democratic Party. I’m sorry, but if she does not call for some reform in the party and Barak’s platform before she calls for us to unify, come November I’m voting my conscience, and it won’t be for Obama.

Posted by: SheliaD | August 25, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Obese Housewives for Hillary (OHH!!!)*

*sponsered by Ben & Jerry's

Posted by: Fat chick | August 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I hope you gators and motorheads are happy now. You broke the rules, whined, and have been forgiven. Now get over it and support the only candidate that can bring us hope for change in the futures.

Posted by: Buffalojoe | August 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

They should change the name to the Anarchy Party, because you can completely ignore the rules, and still get everything you want. I predict the next Democratic primary will be absolute chaos.

Posted by: ThomasMc | August 25, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Outside the Box | August 25, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

obama disenfranchised this voters.

he's a race baiting nasty piece of work

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Obama and his non-lobbyist (they prefer to call it civic minded people)
He'll be in good company. Xcel Energy, Pfizer and Molson, Coors, which each have given more than $1 million, will be among scores of deep-pocket donors with their own private luxury suites.
Now there is change we can believe in!!! Of course these people want nothing than to be civic minded. What a farce and a lair Obama is! His change amounts to nothing. He will fill the stadium again with empty rhetoric. Saying all and yet nothing.
Oh and by his Godly grace will allow Michigan and Florida full voting rights. Oh, let us all bow to the creator of the NEW WORLD ORDER!
When is the roll call to take place?? They have to have a roll call..What day is that?? Or do the DEMS they for go their own rules and anoint their Holy one. If so then they all should only get a half vote!
Oh, please take me to your God that I may bask in the light!!!
Pathetic!!

Posted by: dragonfly777 | August 25, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

This means Biden overall tally is now up by .0001 point to 1.0001%, wow.

Posted by: pete | August 25, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Guys!

She is back again! Michelle O Mama :) with her true racist and anti-american belief.. litle polished. Imagine the daunting task for the wizards to tune her up with script to make her say what true americans wants to hear and hope that all goes well. It would be fun to watch her bluf bluf and bluf.

Posted by: jon | August 25, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I doubt any really care they are just opportunists who are using this Hillary issue to forward their own agendas. These people would never get a shot on Larry King or any main stream media normally. The one woman based in Miami, I forget her name is a joke. To her this is an opportunity to make a buck with her website but it doesn't seem to be working. The last rally she formed she got 4 as in "4" to show up. This Hillary thing is completely overblown.
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There is a lot of hurt out there. Obama wants this to be all about him. Well the polls are not tracking well. The "HIllary Effect" is in full force at the poll at http://www.bop-o-rama.com. The Daily Gallup did not look good for Obama/Biden either.

Posted by: acarponzo | August 25, 2008 6:58 AM


Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

The irony here is that the fat old lady and soft boi contingent (aka PUMA's) who think they're somehow "helping" their Machiavellian witch, Hillary, are in fact forever burning her chances to be the Democratic nominee or Senate majority leader. You people are incredibly naive, not to mention ignorant as hell.

Posted by: Jay | August 25, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

They are making an assumption. They only sample like 1000 people. It would be chance how many would fall into the silly "Hillary effect" catagory. It is like the story of the elephant and the blind boy where with litttle information someone tries to invent an answer.


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Aspergirl,

You are quite right. I said this in another forum but the most remarkable aspect of the WSJ poll last week was the increase in the % of HRC supporters who are not for Nobama. Back in June, that ratio was around 1/3. Now it has grown to 1/2.

However, even the Journal poll was done (obviously) prior to the Bidos pick. WIth the slim prospect of HRC on the ticket gone, I believe a lot more of HRC supporters will feel free to switch sides, and if the CNN poll tonite is any indication, we are already seeing the evidence.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 24, 2008 11:14 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse


Everyday she proves Obama made the right decision.

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Apparantly they did, you buffoon! It is now neck and neck and the huge undecided are Hillary Clinto voters. Check CNN if you want to update yourself. And Obama ran to Hillary to beg her to release her delegates early!

Once they further find out he did not bother to vet her, and that he decided to diss her by the joke of sending the 3 a.m. text, there will be a huge uproar. His poor judgement in this last inside joke of his may be the last one for him.

What are you going to say when he loses the election, they did not matter?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:18 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

There is a lot of hurt out there. Obama wants this to be all about him. Well the polls are not tracking well. The "HIllary Effect" is in full force at the poll at http://www.bop-o-rama.com. The Daily Gallup did not look good for Obama/Biden either.

Posted by: acarponzo | August 25, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

"First comes the crime, then comes the punishment. But in politics, there is always forgiveness". DNC acts like a maffia organisation. Hillary did not do anything wrong but at the end it´s she and her voters that are punished. Democracy?

Posted by: Elisabeth | August 25, 2008 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Fox "News", PUMA and, I'm sorry to say, the Clinton's will have their last shot at Deomcrats and Barack/Biden only up until Wednesday during our week in Denver.

Hillary's supporters are really making it look like the majority of us made the right decision by rejecting her during the primaries.

The more I see Fox "News", PUMA (Republicans disquised as quasi-Democrats), and the McCain camp take advantage of Hillary's words and images to present negative ads against another Democrat (and she simply allows it without any apparent objections) the more convinced I am she would have proven to be a weak leader. Hillary knows who is represented by PUMA.

It is a very gracious Barack and Democratic party that will allow Hillary and "her" supporters to have their last words before we will officially become dismissive of them (Bill and Hillary too if necessary).

Hillary needs to put a stop to the foolishness she is allowing to continue in her name. There is no reason the Clinton's have to "go out" the way they seem to have chosen.

Barack may not have been the better candidate but he did, in all fairness, out-campaign the Clinton's; they took too much for granted, and it was too late when they began to understand that Barack knew his "trade"; he was a junior in Washington politics, he was not new to politics.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Clinton's have so much more to give. They can turn their backs to us and go over to their new found friends at Fox "News" or start up a new party with PUMA. All this will leave them in the dust as the rest of the country moves on to a, "victory for America" with Barack and Biden.

After Wednesday, the party will be done bending over to appease the Clinton's. The ball is in their court.

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | August 25, 2008 5:33 AM | Report abuse

To angry Hillary supporters: please go vote for McCain, we don't care, just go and quit talking!


Posted by: Dan | August 24, 2008 10:29 PM

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Apparantly they did, you buffoon! It is now neck and neck and the huge undecided are Hillary Clinto voters. Check CNN if you want to update yourself. And Obama ran to Hillary to beg her to release her delegates early!

Once they further find out he did not bother to vet her, and that he decided to diss her by the joke of sending the 3 a.m. text, there will be a huge uproar. His poor judgement in this last inside joke of his may be the last one for him.

What are you going to say when he loses the election, they did not matter?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

"The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee today voted to restore full voting rights to the convention delegates from Florida and Michigan, capping a tumultuous year that saw them stripped of all voting rights, then awarded a half a vote each, only to be forgiven on the eve of the party's national convention."


The DNC and Howard Dean could not have screwed this up any more if they tried. What a bunch of knuckleheads.

Your Democrat Party at work!!

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | August 24, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm struggling with Obama's lack of experience and his recent history of making commitments he won't keep He lost me on his FISA vote, followed on the heals of his flip-flop on campaign financing. Being magnanimous with Florida and Michigan delegates now that he think's he's safe borders on disgusting abuse of power.

I've not supported the PUMA movement...but i'm sympathetic. I'm looking to see how some of the alienated Hillary delegates face off with her request they back Obama.

Frankly, If McCain selects Lieberman...i may switch parties and vote Republican this year...okay, probably not...but this whole process has been really demoralizing.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain is in favor of aborting ANTS?! Do they make vacuum suction that small?

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Woody,

Actually, the big disaster would be if Nobama won and dems won filibuster proof #s in the senate. As a dem (but HRC supporter) that would vote dem all the way thru except at the very this Nov, normally I would be rooting for dems to increase the majority in the Congress incl the senate. But if the dems controlled both the WH and the COngress, these guys will go out of control and the result would be so bad, the dems would get wiped out in the next election and the country would be back Repug for a whole generation.

Far better to have a split government, and my pref is for McCain to work with a dem congress.

For starters, Nobama + Pelosi + filibuster proof Reid would raise taxes like crazy. As some one who lives in a already highly taxed state, I am definitely not looking forward to that prospect.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 24, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Clearly McCain is slinging mud to keep the public in the dark about his polices like a 100 year war, tax breaks for the rich and ant-abortion, even in the case of rape. America is a sunk ship if McCain adds the White House to his 8 houses!

Posted by: woody | August 24, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl,

You are quite right. I said this in another forum but the most remarkable aspect of the WSJ poll last week was the increase in the % of HRC supporters who are not for Nobama. Back in June, that ratio was around 1/3. Now it has grown to 1/2.

However, even the Journal poll was done (obviously) prior to the Bidos pick. WIth the slim prospect of HRC on the ticket gone, I believe a lot more of HRC supporters will feel free to switch sides, and if the CNN poll tonite is any indication, we are already seeing the evidence.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 24, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

JakeD Nice try but two liars do not equal one truth sayer.

Posted by: Gator-ron | August 24, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

LOL. CNN says that 27 percent of Clinton supporters now support McCain. That's about 8 percent more than a couple of weeks ago.

What's so cool about that is that every percent of Clinton supporter who was sitting out the election that switches to McCain, doubles the effect of the swing.

Sitting out the election drops Obama's margin by one person (subtracted from the Obama column). But voting for McCain drops Obama's margin by two people (1 subtracted from the Obama column and 1 person added to the McCain column). So every Clinton supporter who decides to vote for McCain drops Obama's margin relative to McCain as if they were two people.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, AsperGirl. That's how I remember it. For Obama supporters, pointing out the truth = lying, racism, or worse.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

>> intcamd1 wrote: "ANd with more Hillary trashing on the way in the next 4 days, this reversal in favor of Mac will get only stronger."

LOL. The Obama "netroots" are the trashiest, sociopathically groupthink idiots on the Internet. They can't stop themselves from bullying Clinton supporters because they're such pencild*ck losers with personal problems.

It doesn't even matter to them that the hostile, ignorant and cyberbully culture they create is a lot of the reason why Clinton supporters find the Obama cult so repugnant.

They think they're supporting Obama, but they're into their own little game and world of alienated cyberbullying. It's the reverse of Saddleback preacher Rev. Warren's book: their activism in this election year is not about Obama, it's about them.

Let them be abusive. When they help Obama lose, they will blame others, and that will give them more reason to hate.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

>> intcamd1 wrote: "Through all those months, the slimy Nobama campaign kept rambling about playing by the rules, and tried to squelch MI and FL votes. Now on the eve of the convention, voila, they are restored."

Just because Clinton agreed at the same time to release her delegates so that they aren't bound to vote for her.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

>>JakeD wrote: "Am I "lying" about Obama stealing the votes in the Michigan primary?"

No, you're not. The Obama faction on the Democratic Rules and Bylaws committee ended up dominating the vote by more than half. The R and B committee then broke the Democratic Party rules in several ways to give those delegates to Obama.

Firstly, the rules have a way for handling "uncommitted" votes. They ignored those rules and simply gave them to Obama.

Then, they took delegates away from Clinton that went to her on the basis of exit polling that said how many people would have voted for Obama if he were on the ballot. The problem with that is that the number exceeded the number who actually voted "uncommitted" so that the committee took votes away from Clinton, and everyone figured out early in the Spring that exit polling way overstated Obama's support because people lied to the exit pollers. There is no rule in the Democratic party that allows one party to take votes away from another party based on exit polling.

The whole thing was a blatant violation of rules, carried by fiat of an Obama faction on the board.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Through all those months, the slimy Nobama campaign kept rambling about playing by the rules, and tried to squelch MI and FL votes. Now on the eve of the convention, voila, they are restored.

If this happened back in April, Nobama would be wondering whether Hillary would be giving him the call to be his VP.

WHat a sleaze bag?! But FL voters already know a win is a win, whether stolen or not.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 24, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Hip hip hooray. With Joey "Anita Hill" Bidos on the ticket, the latest CNN poll shows McCain/Nobama tied at 47 each.

ANd with more Hillary trashing on the way in the next 4 days, this reversal in favor of Mac will get only stronger.

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 24, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl:

Am I "lying" about Obama stealing the votes in the Michigan primary?

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

You heard Dan. Obama doesn't need any if you 18 million Hillary Clinton voters. Go vote for McCain.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Dan, just because many of us are going to vote for McCain doesn't mean we'll shut up.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

>>Dan wrote: "To angry Hillary supporters: please go vote for McCain, we don't care, just go and quit talking!"

Uh, hello. We are.

CNN poll tonight shows that, in the wake of Obama picking Biden, 27 percent of Clinton supporters are now planning to vote for McCain.

I predicted this, that McCain's numbers will go up if Obama didn't pick Clinton. Because there were people, like me, who were waiting to move to support McCain, just in case Obama picked Clinton as VP.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 24, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

The post below is directed to JakeD

Posted by: Gator-ron | August 24, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

You are a liar. Obama won the primary according to the rules of the DNC. Howard Fineman is not the determinant of anything and your referring to him shows what a dissembler you are.

Posted by: Gator-ron | August 24, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

To angry Hillary supporters: please go vote for McCain, we don't care, just go and quit talking!

Posted by: Dan | August 24, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

No More Hillary! Hurray!!!!

Posted by: Dan | August 24, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

So, I'm not the only one who remembers that Obama took his name off the Michigan ballot?

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

jmcauli1 - You need to work on your timeline. Both Michigan AND Florida held primaries AFTER the Iowa caucuses. After the New Hampshire primary for that matter. Given that the choice in Michigan was Clinton or NOT Clinton, the latter won.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 24, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Anon - you need to work on your geography. The big hearing over the FL/MI contests was held in DC. The Michigan primary was about a fair a contest as the 2nd election held in Zimbabwe.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 24, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

The story states "The sanctions were imposed to make an example of Michigan and Florida, and the move worked, the official said."

Both Obummer and Howard "The Mortician" Dean knew early on that he could not win either of Florida or Michagan. They both knew then and know now that caucuses favored Obummer. They both knew then and know now that caucuses always have LESS voter participation than regular voting. In this cycle, states using the caucus system had a little over 6% voter participation while states like Florida and Michigan that use regular voting had over 30% participation.

Both Obummer and The Mortician wanted a caucus state to start the process, so when Florida and Michigan wouldn't play along The Mortician abused his power to rif the election in favor of Obummmer. Obummer helped the narrative by taking his name off the Michigan ballot, something he did not have to do, so he could argue later on that it would be "unfair" to count the Michigan votes because he wasn't on the ballot.

So it would more accurate to say "the sanctions were imposed by one progressive, Howard "The Mortician" Dean for the benefit of another progressive Brackless Obummer and the maneuver worked.

Posted by: jmcauli1 | August 24, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Yes, he was givn ALL the uncommited delgats in Michigan. WHY? Because the DNC set him up to win from the beginning! Just look at their JJ rule!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama is so thoughtful. He is giving Michigan and Florida their full delegate count back. Of course, it does not matter now! And when it did, he flew to Michigan with his Lawyer in tow, to STOP the chance they could be reinstated. He KNEW Hillary would win, even though he was already being given delegates based on race. But he was going to cheat her out of the nomination the same way he cheated the candidates out to "win", (he ran against none) his state Senate seat! Real "nice" guy!
Michigan and Florida, Do not be taken in. Tell Obama NO! Vote for McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"Another lie"?! Perhaps, Gator-ron, you missed the Saturday meeting a few months ago when Obama received the "uncommitted" delegates from Michigan. Just ask Howard Fineman if you don't believe me.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Another lie from JakeD. Obama won the primary completely fairly. By the rules.

Obama is not doing what is best for the Democratic Party, he is doing what is best for himself. The votes should not be fully restored to FL and MI.

The only way to redeem himself is to change the Convention rules in the future so that the FL, MI fiasco is not repeated.

Posted by: Gator-ron | August 24, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Barack Hussein Obama can afford to be magnanimous. He stole all of the uncommitted votes in Michigan.

Posted by: JakeD | August 24, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

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