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Rendell Compares Obama to Adlai Stevenson

By Jonathan Weisman
DENVER -- Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell captured the jitters of the Democratic Party today when he conceded that for all Barack Obama's gifts, "he's not exactly the easiest guy in the world to identify with" and urged the presumptive nominee to start punching back against Republican attacks.

In a wide ranging interview, Rendell insisted that while Obama still has not won over perhaps 30 percent of Hillary Rodham Clinton's voters, he will have locked down 95 percent of them by midnight tonight, after Clinton speaks to the Democratic National Convention here. But Rendell, a strong Clinton supporter during the primaries, made it clear he thinks Obama still has work to do with the white, working class voters who backed her.

"With people who have a lot of gifts, it's hard for people to identify with them," the governor said. "Barack Obama is handsome. He's incredibly bright. He's incredibly well spoken, and he's incredibly successful -- not exactly the easiest guy in the world to identify with."

For a politician cut from a rougher cloth, Rendell may have offered a back-handed compliment when he compared Obama to Adlai Stevenson, the failed Democratic candidate from the 1950s who captured the imagination of American intellectuals but not the electorate at large.

"He is a little like Adlai Stevenson," Rendell mused. "You ask him a question, and he gives you a six-minute answer. And the six-minute answer is smart as all get out. It's intellectual. It's well framed. It takes care of all the contingencies. But it's a lousy soundbite."

"We've got to start smacking back in short understandable bites," he said, noting "Everybody is nervous as all get out. Everybody says we ought to be ahead by 10, 15 points. What the heck is going on?"

For all that worry, Rendell's prognosis for Obama is good, at least in his crucial state. The addition of Scranton-born Joe Biden to the Democratic ticket probably pads Obama's thin lead by two percentage points, Rendell said, and the economy will ultimately persuade people to look beyond personality, background and race to focus on policy. Obama needs to make his economic proposals more understandable, and to show some real anger, especially about issues like the United States financing Iraq's reconstruction while the Iraqi government holds an oil-fueled government surplus.

"What I think most people are waiting for -- and as soon as they see it, I think it's over -- they're waiting to see that he's angry about that stuff, too. Not just that he thinks it's wrong intellectually -- that he's angry," Rendell advised.

In the end, though, "When times are hard, people care about one thing, one color -- green," he concluded. "That's all there is."

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It should be over for now, at least: The Associated Press just reported: "In an emotional meeting leading up to the Democratic roll call of the states, Hillary Rodham Clinton released her convention delegates" to vote for Obama (sorry schrivner ; )

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iMfpr914YRjiaOl-ElrgKDJy2j7QD92QRJN01

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Jake,

This is becoming a soap opera and people of a certain ilk are, in their own way, really enjoying the drama.

It is still early days, and the idea is to peak in late October and early November.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 27, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse


God knows that with ALL the challenges facing this country COURTESY of a President who all too often cannot pronounce words never mind string them together in a cogent sentence, IMO, this country DESPERATELY needs an INTELLIGENT President!

I do not want to have a beer with President Obama but I do believe that he is the Pragmatist who can actually DO the JOB to get our country back on track and with Senator Biden as VP, get the REFORMS passed that gets our country thriving again.

Posted by: Dari | August 27, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Maureen Dowd claims Hillary is "privately egging on" the PUMA dissidents.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Back on topic: weren't there reports that she was going to meet with her delegates, including Rendell, sometime before the roll call? What did she tell them?

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Deep Blue:

Yes, I saw her speech -- let's see how the roll call goes before you start counting chickens -- she definitely did what she had to do last night. But, she didn't mention any of his "qualifications" did she? I still think that McCain could get a lot of her supporters.

Posted by: JakeD | August 27, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Ha Ha Ha

Anybody that doesn't worship the Obamessiah in dutiful praise is to be banished from the party...

It looks like he is going to lose in November , in what should have been a sure Democratic year, snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory...

Ha Ha Ha

Posted by: ObamaSupportersAreNinnies | August 27, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

To all the people who say "It's gonna be a landslide!" (for either candidate): you have no political knowledge and the observance of a blind goldfish. This race is pretty tight (although this Republican will concede Obama is winning by a few percentage points), and is shaping up to be one helluva ride. Here's hoping that it will be down to the wire!

Posted by: Luke | August 27, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

"No way, no how, no McCain!"

Posted by: Ronnn | August 27, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

For every percentage point 7 % in black turnout it only account for 1 % of white turnout. White make up 76 % of the total electorate and so it would take 7 % of black increses percentage point to equal just 1 % of the white vote.

Posted by: Sammy | August 26, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Jake,

Did you see Hillary's speech? With the Clinton's support, this election is looking very good for the democrats.

You know that black turnout is increasing 20-30%. And that young voter turnout is increasing 50%- they'll make up 25% of the electorate this year, vs 17% in 2k4.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7073664.stm

I just don't see how McCain can win this year.


Posted by: Deep Blue | August 26, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl:

It was supposed to alternate with the incumbent party. Reagan won a map full of Blue States.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

General Question:

Have the Networks / CNN stated, one way or the other, whether they will return to using "Blue" for McCain and "Red" for Obama this year?

Posted by: JakeD
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Clever. But this year it may be McCain in White. Obama gets the combo, cause we all know the real winner this year is "purple."

Posted by: LM | August 26, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama may be smart, charismatic etc.

He's also a megalomaniac with a serious case of the Messiah Complex.

God help us all if he wins..........

Posted by: ssb46 | August 26, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

A well written article in the mix of all the junk floating around these past few days.Thank you.
And they hit the nail on the head.Barack is a hard person to read. I beleive he is fundamentally no different then any one i know in this country. But the problem occurs when people try to relate to a very intelligent, so well spoken man of African descent.I personnaly am not bothered by it,I beleive he is the best person for the job, but i work with a train load full of people who are truly at odds with themselves.
If Barack showed a little humility (and i dont mean YESSIR MASSA)and a lighter side of himself, i think those who are on the fence will feel more at ease to listen to what he is saying.It was easy for the GOP to pin the "Elitist" tag on him because he comes off that way, not condescending but allmost too sure of himself.Not quite cocky, but slightly hyper on point. I think its why so many opinions beleived McCant did better than Barack at Saddleback, because John was simpleton, Barack was a Dictionary.I followed him quite well through his interview, but the average American probably felt a little lost in his answers.
This is on the the true hurdles to Barack getting his message across.Like 4 years ago, if Kerry had a little more Moxy, and a bit less talk he would have closed the gap quite well.And Gore in 2000, so long winded he came off as a bit fake, way too rehersed.He doesnt have to woory so much about the critics, no matter how well or poorly he does there will allways be equal and opposite reactions,.

Posted by: Bill | August 26, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

It is getting ugly in Denver. The bop-o-meter is really spinning on this one. The daily Gallup is heading up for McCain. At the real-time poll at http://www.bop-o-rama.com Obama topped 800,000 bops today.

Posted by: acarponzo | August 26, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton is, hands down, one of the brightest guys alive. But he affected a down-home, aw-shucks manner that many found endearing. I think Rendell would like to see some of that in Obama.

But Obama is black. Unless he comes across as being the smartest guy in the room, he'll be labeled the dumbest guy in the room.

A lot of the way he campaigns is forced, in that he has no realistic alternative without opening the door to ugly stereotyping. (Despite the revisionist thinking of Clintonistas, Obama treated Clinton with kid gloves -- a black man cannot beat up on a white woman in the US, literally or figuratively, without paying a price.) Although these comments show that many will indulge in it anyway, facts be damned. (The text message went out at 12:56 AM, not 3AM, so it wasn't a subtle slap at HRC.)

Jake D, as for Bill Clinton's candidates X and Y, that he poses the question shows why he and his ilk are out of favor within the party. Mainstream liberal Dems do not see themselves as being unable to deliver anything. DLC Dems, on the other hand, were convinced the party was too liberal and that they had to tone down the liberalism to win. I think you have to keep to your principles, even they result in losses, such as 64 Goldwater, 76 Reagan and 80 Kennedy. Carter and the Clintons represented a retreat from core Dem principles. It is understandable that, in this year where Republicans appear unusually weak, the Dem electorate said this is not the time for us to moderate out positions.

Posted by: gbooksdc | August 26, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

>>Ed wrote: "What is the theme of the Democratic sales pitch? Anybody?"

They're still trying to say "Introducing Barack Obama, who is not a scary, alien, angry black man".

I.e. they are trying to sell the candidate, humanize him and make him look all-American.

Then they will attack Republicans and associate McCain with Bush.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Can we stop this "Obama is handsome" thing? He's skinny, he has a ice-cream-cone-shaped head, and his ears stick waaaaaaay out.

If you think he's handsome, good for you. But it's not an objective fact.

And he has purple lips.
No, Mr. Rendell, he is NOT handsome.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton is, hands down, one of the brightest guys alive. But he affected a down-home, aw-shucks manner that many found endearing. I think Rendell would like to see some of that in Obama.

But Obama is black. Unless he comes across as being the smartest guy in the room, he'll be labeled the dumbest guy in the room.

A lot of the way he campaigns is forced, in that he has no realistic alternative without opening the door to ugly stereotyping. (Despite the revisionist thinking of Clintonistas, Obama treated Clinton with kid gloves -- a black man cannot beat up on a white woman in the US, literally or figuratively, without paying a price.) Although these comments show that many will indulge in it anyway, facts be damned. (The text message went out at 12:56 AM, not 3AM, so it wasn't a subtle slap at HRC.)

Jake D, as for Bill Clinton's candidates X and Y, that he poses the question shows why he and his ilk are out of favor within the party. Mainstream liberal Dems do not see themselves as being unable to deliver anything. DLC Dems, on the other hand, were convinced the party was too liberal and that they had to tone down the liberalism to win. I think you have to keep to your principles, even they result in losses, such as 64 Goldwater, 76 Reagan and 80 Kennedy. Carter and the Clintons represented a retreat from core Dem principles. It is understandable that, in this year where Republicans appear unusually weak, the Dem electorate said this is not the time for us to moderate out positions.

Posted by: gbooksdc | August 26, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

As Rendell said months ago, some Pennsylvanians are just not ready to vote for a black man. Apparently, he was speaking about himself. What an A-hole. Jerks like him will ensure 4 more years of the Republican party, a party that deserves nothing but scorn at this point. Even they don't like themselves,

Posted by: tslats | August 26, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Jake,

There's no way on God's green earth that Mass is going for McCain. And NH looks very unlikely as well- very strong anti-war sentiment there. And there's not enough blacks there for the working white class whites to have a mini-subculture that sees blacks as a threat. To top it off, there's been a huge change in voter registration, something like 6or8% away from R and towards D. And NY isn't going McCain either.

I'm pretty sure it'll be Romney, for his business credentials and political acumen.
And when you look at the demographics in the South, that could put the whole region in play. Mississippi's electorate could be 40% black in Nov, going 95% to Obama. If so and he gets 20% of the white vote there, (and Thad Cochran was in the papers again Sunday blasting McCain, calling him a liar with a bad temper who sends shivers down his spine etc.) Obama is winning Mississippi. And Georgia. And North Carolina.

McCain doesn't really have a good option for VP. And though it is little discussed, the Bush people don't really like him, the anit-tax ppl don't trust him, and many of the old boys in Texas - Perot, Pickens, etc. think he an opportunistic phony.

McCain is a smart guy and a natural, celebrity-of-a-politician, but he's met his match in this election.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 26, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

well of course rendell is unhappy (oh sob)

HE won't get a cushy job in the new administration...and he's sick to death of Pennsylvania.

He didn't want to be mayor or governor or anything else in PA., was promised a big future if he helped take Pa dem.

And he put his reputation and power and buzz non the line with Hillary...and he's a loser.

And, you know, he has some problems of a legal nature in PA., which would've been
washed out if his candidate won it all!!!
I'd love to see him indicted.

Posted by: raison | August 26, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, I think they use Red for Republicans and Blue for Dems, usually.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

>>JakeD wrote: "18 million Hillary Clinton voters hanging out there is very tempting -- would that many McCain voters turn him off with Hutchinson on the ticket -- some, but not that many. As you noted, some would flinch with Romney (but his advantage is the big bankroll and, possibly New Hampshire / Massachusetts). I like Portman too. What if McCain went with someone like Bloomberg? That could put New York and more Blue States in play."

Ultimately, if they have to choose between a woman VP and Obama, Republicans will go with a woman VP. Obama scares the Republicans because of his terrorist ties. Plus, the angry, resentful wife as Obama's dominating and loudmouthed First Lady would outweigh the fear of a female VP so long as the VP was rational and experienced.

It would be true justice for Obama if McCain took NY.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

General Question:

Have the Networks / CNN stated, one way or the other, whether they will return to using "Blue" for McCain and "Red" for Obama this year?

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Looks like AsperGirl is having problems posting too ; )

Terry:

You have a bigger "wallet" than Cindy McCain (and Mitt Romney combined?).

Deep Blue:

18 million Hillary Clinton voters hanging out there is very tempting -- would that many McCain voters turn him off with Hutchinson on the ticket -- some, but not that many. As you noted, some would flinch with Romney (but his advantage is the big bankroll and, possibly New Hampshire / Massachusetts). I like Portman too. What if McCain went with someone like Bloomberg? That could put New York and more Blue States in play.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Terry:

You have a bigger "wallet" than Cindy McCain (and Mitt Romney combined?).

Deep Blue:

18 million Hillary Clinton voters hanging out there is very tempting -- would that many McCain voters turn him off with Hutchinson on the ticket -- some, but not that many. As you noted, some would flinch with Romney (but his advantage is the big bankroll and, possibly New Hampshire / Massachusetts). I like Portman too. What if McCain went with someone like Bloomberg? That could put New York and more Blue States in play.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, I don't think Reid is going to let Lieberman's vote get away, and once McCain is dispatched then Joe will be back in the IND/DEM saddle again."

Liebermann is a disaster unnecessarily created by those dysfunctional, ignorant journalism school flukees who think they're political geniuses -- the netroot cyberbullies infecting the crazy wing of the Democratic party right now.

The netroots are inflicting as much damage to the Democratic party on their own as if the Republicans were able to infiltrate and disrupt the party on purpose.

They're the Internet version of early 20th century immigrant neighborhood election year thugs.

It was totally unnecessary for them to create the Liebermann problem. They're as carried away with their power to be disruptors as they are ignorant and unwise.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, I don't think Reid is going to let Lieberman's vote get away, and once McCain is dispatched then Joe will be back in the IND/DEM saddle again."

Liebermann is a disaster unnecessarily created by those dysfunctional, ignorant journalism school flukees who think they're political geniuses -- the netroot cyberbullies infecting the crazy wing of the Democratic party right now.

The netroots are inflicting as much damage to the Democratic party on their own as if the Republicans were able to infiltrate and disrupt the party on purpose.

They're the Internet version of early 20th century immigrant neighborhood election year thugs.

It was totally unnecessary for them to create the Liebermann problem. They're as carried away with their power to be disruptors as they are ignorant and unwise.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, I don't think Reid is going to let Lieberman's vote get away, and once McCain is dispatched then Joe will be back in the IND/DEM saddle again."

Liebermann is a disaster unnecessarily created by those dysfunctional, ignorant journalism school flukees who think they're political geniuses -- the netroot cyberbullies infecting the crazy wing of the Democratic party right now.

The netroots are inflicting as much damage to the Democratic party on their own as if the Republicans were able to infiltrate and disrupt the party on purpose.

They're the Internet version of early 20th century immigrant neighborhood election year thugs.

It was totally unnecessary for them to create the Liebermann problem. They're as carried away with their power to be disruptors as they are ignorant and unwise.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I don't think Reid is going to let Lieberman's vote get away, and once McCain is dispatched then Joe will be back in the IND/DEM saddle again.

With Republicans the woman VP thing is like the Mormon thing, the narrow-minded faithful just don't want any part of it.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/05/1248541.aspx
(A Republican woman VP could actually hurt McCain. A full 20% responded that they would be LESS likely to support the GOP nominee if he selected a female on the ticket.)

But given that McCain doesn't have any good options, he'll pick someone who helps him in the middle of the country. The East's 96 electoral votes are going to Obama. The West's 77 are too. The middle is in play- so the smart play is Romney (for Mich) or Pawlenty for (Minn) or Portman (for OH). From what I understand though, unless he's changes his mind, the pick is Romney.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 26, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Keep pouring it on GOP and I'll keep donating, canvassing, letter writing, and talking about what the country really needs, a new direction, away from the real unpatriotic party. Away from the shoot from the hip, I've got a bigger gun, mouth, wallet than you! Away from the I am more patriotic because I support my President's policies and you don't. Away from the parsing, dicing, change the meaning political garbage, that Rove made famous and that smells more now, than when he first spewed it.

True patriotism comes when people stand up and say, Enough! And that is what the brave did 232 years ago, and that is exactly what I and millions of my fellow Americans will do in November. But we will do it with out guns or blood, something a Republican could never understand.

The losers, come January, will still have their lives. God Bless the Ones who gave them that option.

Posted by: Terry | August 26, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Keep pouring it on GOP and I'll keep donating, canvassing, letter writing, and talking about what the country really needs, a new direction, away from the real unpatriotic party. Away from the shoot from the hip, I've got a bigger gun, mouth, wallet than you! Away from the I am more patriotic because I support my President's policies and you don't. Away from the parsing, dicing, change the meaning political garbage, that Rove made famous and that smells more now, than when he first spewed it.

True patriotism comes when people stand up and say, Enough! And that is what the brave did 232 years ago, and that is exactly what I and millions of my fellow Americans will do in November. But we will do it with out guns or blood, something a Republican could never understand.

The losers, come January, will still have their lives. God Bless the Ones who gave them that option.

Posted by: Terry | August 26, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

A NOUN, A VERB AND POW - a preview of the upcoming debates between Senator Obama and Senator McCain.

Moderator: Senator Obama, Senator McCain, thank you for coming before the American public to present your policies and reveal your thoughts on America's many many challenges in the 21st century. And without further ado we shall jump right into the first question which is directed at the good Senator from Arizona. Senator McCain, would you please tell us your position on leaving Iraq?

McCain: I was a POW at the Hanoi Hilton. I'm against it.

Moderator: Excuse me Senator but what does being a POW have to do with Iraq?

McCain: Nothing and I was a POW at the Hanoi Hilton for 5 long agonizing years.

Moderator: Yes, I understand.....Senator? Do you need a hanky? Perhaps some time to collect yourself?

McCain: No no....sniffle....it's nothing. You should try spending 5 years as a POW being tortured.

Moderator: Well, my heart goes out to you Senator. Perhaps we should move onto another question.

McCain: Yes, that would be nice.

Moderator: Please tell me then Senator McCain, what is your position on abortion.

McCain: When I was a POW in Vietnam, I always thought how precious life is and how evil abortion is - even in the case of rape.

Moderator: I see. And so you would appoint a conservative pro-life judge to the Supreme Court?

McCain: Definitely. But before that I would return to Vietnam and tour the hell hole that I was imprisoned in for 5 long years - all for the sake of our great nation.

Moderator: I see.......Senator Obama, could you please tell the viewers your position on abortion.

Obama: I believe every woman has the right to choose, especially I might add, in the case of rape. I will not nominate a judge that does not take into consideration the rights of individuals. And I refuse to support a State that seeks to assert its will over it's citizens.

Moderator: Thank you Senator. Now I will turn to Senator McCain. According to most experts, your plan to drill for oil would do little if anything to bring down the price of gas for the next 10-12 years. Why do you remain steadfast in supporting a bill to open up environmentally sensitive areas in the Outer Continental Shelf?

McCain: When I was a POW I use to think if I had a drill I could drill a hole and get out of this rat hole. No human should have to suffer as I did during those awful years. But of course I endured it all for God and Country - for 5 excruciating years! Did I mention 5 years?

Moderator: Repeatedly.

McCain: Well anyway, if I had a drill I would bore a hole in the earth and tunnel my way out. And if I hit oil all the better.

Moderator: That is your answer, Senator?

McCain: Yes.

Moderator: Senator Obama?

Obama: First we have to start developing alternative sources of energy with an effective infrastructure to wean America off oil. We can no longer allow our dependency on foreign oil dictate foreign policy. It's time for America to move into Solar Energy, Wind Energy, Bio-fuel, Wave Energy and Geothermal Power. However, drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf will yield little if any benefits to the consumer; that isn't however to say that an energy bill couldn't be crafted to utilize off shore oil reserves as long as strict environmental guidelines are in place. But this would have to be supplemental to a strong Alternative Energy Plan - not paramount to it. However, it is also incumbent on oil companies to start drilling on the millions of acres already leased to them, areas which have already been cleared by the EPA.

Moderator: Thank you Senator Obama for that concise answer. And now lets move onto Social Security. Senator McCain, at the current rate, by 2012, Social Security will pay out more in benefits than it collects in revenues. This is a serious matter since it could cause Social Security to go bankrupt and in turn threaten America's many old.....

McCain: Did you say old? You know, when I was a POW and sitting in a small dank 6 by 8 cell for 5 brutal years, I use to think 'God I feel old. Americans don't know how lucky they got it. No social security when you are rotting in prison for the good of your country.'

Moderator: And.....you are for?

McCain: Privatizing Social Security.

Moderator: I see. Senator Obama?

Obama: We have ignored Social Security too long and when I am president...

McCain: Excuse me but can I go to the bathroom....as a POW all I had to do was go stand in the corner and relieve myself. Sure it wasn't very hygienic but it was for the good of our nation. Any patriotic American would have done the same thing. If I had to do it all over again I would do it in a heart beat. That's what makes a good president - patriotism.........

Moderator: Thank.....thank....you.....please stop Senator and let Senator Obama answer the.....Senator Mc.....McCain........

McCain: ............I remember once while drawing crosses on the floor of that dirty, smelly cell and said to myself no one deserves the Presidency more than me - someone who suffered so dearly for their country. And be damned if I'm going to let America forget it about it. That's why I want to privatize Social Security. And another thing, when I was a POW for 5.................................


Posted by: woody | August 26, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree with AsperGirl, as well, re: Obama having this one chance at the White House. If he would have instead teamed up with Hillary as her VP -- even if they wouldn't have won -- he would have been sitting pretty for the next round.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

“There is no blue without yellow and without orange.” Vincent
A world with no blue would mean above and below instead of above and beyond. Great if you like elevator music.

Posted by: deflag | August 26, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

“Orange is the happiest color.” Frank Sinatra
Amen

Posted by: deflag | August 26, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Deep Blue:

Are you counting Sen. Lieberman in your 60 estimate? I think McCain's going to go with a woman, probably Kay Bailey Hutchinson (how that will go over with the pro-life crowd is anyone's guess at this point). As for record numbers turning out on Obama's side, I also think there will be record numbers for McCain. It may be closer than I think it will be, but McCain is still going to win this thing.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

“Orange is the happiest color.” Frank Sinatra

Amen

Posted by: Orangeman | August 26, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I care about orange as much as green. I'm not normal though

Posted by: Orangeman | August 26, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

What is the theme of the Democratic sales pitch? Anybody?

Posted by: Ed | August 26, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

What is the theme of the Democratic sales pitch? Anybody?

Posted by: Ed | August 26, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Jake,

Interesting aside, if young and black voters come out the way I think they will (at historical levels and voting Dem straight down the ticket) then it probably makes a difference of 5pts for the Senate races too.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/Maps/Aug26-s.html

I can see DEMs swinging close elections in Minn, NC, Georgia, and Mississippi.

An Obama Administration with 60 DEM seats in the Senate could get a LOT done.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 26, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

>>The Virginian wrote: "This election won't even be close - Obama will lose - to think otherwise is to dream, which is what Michelle Obama said last night. They need to try again in 2012."

They don't get another shot. Once you get nominated and run for president, that's your one and only shot. If you lose, you don't get to take that road again. Period.

Obama was too impatient to wait and develop a more marketable resume and get some experience before running as top exec.

He's got his one shot to be First Black President. If he misses, the only other way he'd get a chance is through the backdoor as someone else's VP.

Since Clinton could be the nominee in 2012, after the way Obama treated her this year and all the disrespect and snubbing, it's unlikely he's got a shot at VP in 2012.

So the closest Obama can hope to get to the White House after he loses in a bloody, ugly train wreck this year, is as a VP in 2016 at the earliest.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

>>The Virginian wrote: "This election won't even be close - Obama will lose - to think otherwise is to dream, which is what Michelle Obama said last night. They need to try again in 2012."

They don't get another shot. Once you get nominated and run for president, that's your one and only shot. If you lose, you don't get to take that road again. Period.

Obama was too impatient to wait and develop a more marketable resume and get some experience before running as top exec.

He's got his one shot to be First Black President. If he misses, the only other way he'd get a chance is through the backdoor as someone else's VP.

Since Clinton could be the nominee in 2012, after the way Obama treated her this year and all the disrespect and snubbing, it's unlikely he's got a shot at VP in 2012.

So the closest Obama can hope to get to the White House after he loses in a bloody, ugly train wreck this year, is as a VP in 2016 at the earliest.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

It's sad to see that this country has no heart all hate and nasty. Bash this and bash that. This is a new generation and we don't have time nor do we entertain that sad mentality. The reason Obama isn't attacking and didn't try to smear Hillary in the end of the primary is why use resources you don't need. She had been beaten for months period.
This world is full of overkill. We just want the job done with some intellect, common sense, not bashing and undercutting. We are all Americans for God's sake. The new generation sees the situation and sums it up without the handwringing and bloviating. This is the 21st century catch up or move out of the way because we have turned the page, you just don't want to admit it. Once the election is over then maybe you'll realize it. But by then you'll have no choice, and thank God for that.

Posted by: OBAMA-BIDEN '08 | August 26, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama will win because no one believes that Republican policies work, and McCain is a Republican. The only way McCain can win is if he woke up and said he really isnt a Republican at all. He's no Eisenhower, hes a radical right wing Republican.

Posted by: Paul Nolan | August 26, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Jake,

You're a smart guy, I'm sure you've figured it out. When you see the same exact post two hours apart (7:11 & 5:07) and you start to see duplicates you know some funny business is going on.

And speaking of fake, I've heart that Romney is McCain's pick for VP- who do you think it'll be and what's your take?

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 26, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Jake,

You're a smart guy, I'm sure you've figured it out. When you see the same exact post two hours apart (7:11 & 5:07) and you start to see duplicates you know some funny business is going on.

And speaking of fake, I've heart that Romney is McCain's pick for VP- who do you think it'll be and what's your take?

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 26, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Who Is Eldon Smith?

Why, that would be none other than John McCain:


It turns out that this isn't the first time the issue of John McCain's lavish multiple residences has emerged in the heat of a campaign.


"In 1986, when then-Rep. McCain was running for the Senate seat vacated by Barry Goldwater, he quietly began remodeling a $500,000 house in central Phoenix owned by his wealthy father-in-law James Hensley. The $225,000 project -- which included the construction of a 4,000-square-foot addition, swimming pool, jacuzzi, cabana and barbecue -- held political peril for McCain, who was already fighting charges that he was as an opportunistic carpertbagger."

"The new house was located in Phoenix's fourth congressional district -- outside of the first district in Tempe which he represented at the time."

"AP caught wind of the work at 7110 North Central Ave. shortly before the general election and dispatched a reporter to examine blueprints at the planning department. They found the permit applicants were listed as Hensley and a mysterious "Mr. Smith."

"The reporter tracked down McCain's plumber, who told him he'd been told Mr. Smith's first name was "Eldon."

"Eldon Smith, it turned out, was John McCain."

full story here:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0808/The_GOPs_2008_nominee_isEldon_Smith.html


Good old "Eldon"...I mean John, didn't want people to know that he was planning to leave his congressional district - and also wanted to hide the cost of his lavish quarter-million dollar rennovation plans - so he came up with a ridiculous nom de maison, hoping to keep his plans buried under a sockpuppet. Of course, this might help explain why he lost track of the number of homes he's got.


Barack Obama has been remarkably open about his entire life story - a bio which has been subjected to endless scrutiny. But if there's anyone whose background we should be "unsure" of, it's John McCain's. I, for one, would like to learn about what else he's done in his life under an assumed name.

Posted by: Drain You | August 26, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Who Is Eldon Smith?

Why, that would be none other than John McCain:


It turns out that this isn't the first time the issue of John McCain's lavish multiple residences has emerged in the heat of a campaign.


"In 1986, when then-Rep. McCain was running for the Senate seat vacated by Barry Goldwater, he quietly began remodeling a $500,000 house in central Phoenix owned by his wealthy father-in-law James Hensley. The $225,000 project -- which included the construction of a 4,000-square-foot addition, swimming pool, jacuzzi, cabana and barbecue -- held political peril for McCain, who was already fighting charges that he was as an opportunistic carpertbagger."

"The new house was located in Phoenix's fourth congressional district -- outside of the first district in Tempe which he represented at the time."

"AP caught wind of the work at 7110 North Central Ave. shortly before the general election and dispatched a reporter to examine blueprints at the planning department. They found the permit applicants were listed as Hensley and a mysterious "Mr. Smith."

"The reporter tracked down McCain's plumber, who told him he'd been told Mr. Smith's first name was "Eldon."

"Eldon Smith, it turned out, was John McCain."

full story here:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0808/The_GOPs_2008_nominee_isEldon_Smith.html


Good old "Eldon"...I mean John, didn't want people to know that he was planning to leave his congressional district - and also wanted to hide the cost of his lavish quarter-million dollar rennovation plans - so he came up with a ridiculous nom de maison, hoping to keep his plans buried under a sockpuppet. Of course, this might help explain why he lost track of the number of homes he's got.


Barack Obama has been remarkably open about his entire life story - a bio which has been subjected to endless scrutiny. But if there's anyone whose background we should be "unsure" of, it's John McCain's. I, for one, would like to learn about what else he's done in his life under an assumed name.

Posted by: Drain You | August 26, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Leesha Harvey- Coal Train

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VItmtAuWz0w

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Eagle Ch’áak’ | August 26, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Leesha Harvey- Coal Train (Original)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VItmtAuWz0w

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Eagle Ch’áak’ | August 26, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Campaigning by insult is tiring and sad, but it is also reality in America in 2008. I agree with Rendell that Obama needs to start slugging. It is what is expected of candidates. The voters claim they don't like negative campaigning but that is bull. They respond to it like Pavlov's dogs did to a bell.

Posted by: Chuck | August 26, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

This election won't even be close - Obama will lose - to think otherwise is to dream, which is what Michelle Obama said last night. They need to try again in 2012.

Posted by: The Virginian | August 26, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

This is the first time I remember a Democratic candidate sinking in the polls while his convention is going on. Even Mondale-Ferraro had a bump during their convention. The latest polls today show McCain leading in the polls.

Posted by: GrimR | August 26, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

From USAElectionPolls.com :

Barack Obama Quietly Extending His Electoral College Lead
8/26/08

Method Obama McCain
Latest Poll Per State 294 244
Poll of Polls 283 249
Survey USA 166 262
Rasmussen Reports 264 244
Quinnipiac 158 24
Research 2000 23 95
Zogby 335 131
National Average 44.4% 42.4%
Weighted Nat'l Avg 44.2% 44.0%

Obama's lead in the poll of polls estimate has gone from 3 electoral votes to 34. And in the latest poll per state estimate, Obama's lead has gone from 32 to 50.

Posted by: bam | August 26, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama is more like McGovern. If you remember, he charmed the left of the party as the anti-war candidate and then ruined the party's chances with his VP choice flap. Then went on to lose 49 states in a year the Dems should have won by a landslide due to the War and the bad economy.

Posted by: Fred | August 26, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Rendell would get ZERO votes outside PA.. he's bellicose and unlikeable

Posted by: Mike D. | August 26, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Deep Blue:

Is there a specific post you suspect of being all "cut & paste"?

Nick:

MORE than 8 years (if McCain dies in office and his VP takes over ; )

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama does remind me of Adlai Stevenson, especially the way he's always looking down his nose at everybody else.

Posted by: John | August 26, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Not only does McCain have a cut-and-paste foreign policy, but it appears that he has cut-and-paste supporters as well.

Great idea, guys. Spam the political board with fake messages. I guess if you are an old git who has cheated, lied and stolen his way into the political big leagues then spamming isn't that big a deal.

But it does show how out of touch with reality he is. And you people aren't fooling anyone who has half a brain.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 26, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Bad analogy.

Stevenson was a true intellectual. Obama just talks like one.

Posted by: info | August 26, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

heard that the Republicans are making ads that show liberal icon Geraldine Ferraro demanding that the Obama campaign stop lying about her & to stop the email campaign to get her fired from her lawfirm (clips from an app on Foxnews. The sinister voice ends with "Is this change you can count on?"

Fun-fun

Posted by: GrimR | August 26, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama does remind me of Adlai Stevenson, especially the way he's always looking down his nose at everybody else.

Posted by: John | August 26, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I can't stand Rendell, but I agree.

I've been comparing Barack Obama to Adlai Stevenson, all year long.

Two guys from Illinois who are great orators who were destined to go down in flames to old military guys.

McCain ain't no Ike (Eisenhower), though, but Americans aren't going to vote for Obama by the time the Republicans/Media finish raising and dwelling on all of Obama's "suspect" friends in order to give white middle of the road voters the "EXCUSES" they need to vote against Obama.

Posted by: hgg | August 26, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how the democrats can turn on each other in ways that would befuddle republicans. Democrats are individualist who do not understand teamwork. They're independent minded, they're not easily influenced by talking heads, they're self centered to the point of self annihilation. It's a wonder we've won any elections. TEAMWORK folks that's what it'll take TEAMWORK. The republicans wrote the play book, we'd better read it if we do not want another 4 maybe 8 years of the current madness.

Posted by: Nick | August 26, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm one of those "intellectual" Obama fanatics, but also one who thinks Obama is now running for dean of faculty than President.
Captain America's campaign has now turned the corner and put us onto the general election game...a game of smoke and mirrors, illusions and simplicities, of feelings...not facts.
To rise above `the game' is to be out of the game altogether.
Rendell is right. Now, it's a prizefight, not a debate. And, now it's a sprint, no longer a marathon.
And, moreover, a gray, nasty little old man can win the game if `The One' doesn't at least fight back.

Posted by: JMFulton, Jr. | August 26, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm one of those "intellectual" Obama fanatics, but also one who thinks Obama is now running for dean of faculty than President.
Captain America's campaign has now turned the corner and put us onto the general election game...a game of smoke and mirrors, illusions and simplicities, of feelings...not facts.
To rise above `the game' is to be out of the game altogether.
Rendell is right. Now, it's a prizefight, not a debate. And, now it's a sprint, no longer a marathon.
And, moreover, a gray, nasty little old man can win the game if `The One' doesn't at least fight back.

Posted by: JMFulton, Jr. | August 26, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how the democrats can turn on each other in ways that would befuddle republicans. Democrats are individualist who do not understand teamwork. They're independent minded, they're not easily influenced by talking heads, they're self centered to the point of self annihilation. It's a wonder we've won any elections. TEAMWORK folks that's what it'll take TEAMWORK. The republicans wrote the play book, we'd better read it if we don't want another 4 maybe 8 years of the current madness.

Posted by: Nick | August 26, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Deep Blue:

Thanks for the poll -- I hadn't seen that one.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Now there's a hoot. Ed Rendell saying Obama gives long-winded answers. Geez, I like Ed, but he's coming across as a buffoon. If he's looking for a Washington, he's going about it the wrong way. Of course, he's not available for another two years. If he left the Gov's job to Catherine Knoll, we in Pa would beat hin with sticks. Catherine Baker Knoll, the one old fart who makes mccain look like the class valedictorian.

Posted by: mike l | August 26, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Some of these RETARDICANS are just not that bright. Maybe it's all the beer they drink. I"d put up my next paycheck on the fact they wouldn't vote for Obama if he had a Cure for breast cancer. Now if he was white he'd be a shue in for president.

Posted by: Karl from the DMV | August 26, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

scrivener, you sound like a racist extremist. Get help quick.

Posted by: MediaWatch | August 26, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Do yourselves a favor and watch the convention on PBS tonight. They actually have real commentators, that talk about facts and history and stuff. It's really weird, but pretty cool!

Posted by: elle | August 26, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I think Rendell is angling for the Hillary '12 ticket. Carville and Rendell know where their bread is buttered.

Posted by: S. | August 26, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Just Because the C- student who got into the naval academy because of his dad's rank, got shot down in Nam and cheated on his wife while she was on her death bed with Cindy Doesn't mean you are qualified to be President. If this is the experience McCHeater is talking about NO THanks! Just because you voted against the Martin Luther King holiday repeatedly doesn't mean you don't care about black people either.Just Because you don't know how many houses you have doesn't mean you have dementia either. It just means you are out of touch with mainstream americans. You know the ones who don't have a pot to piss in and no health care.

Posted by: Karl from the DMV | August 26, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

If Obama goes into angry soundbites every evening, he'll lose my vote in a second. The reason why the GOP has won the presidency is because they hit on the products of the mind, not the drivelings of the heart. It's no coincidence that the last Democratic president (Clinton) was also a bright man.

Posted by: Scott P. | August 26, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Now we see what the concept of loyalty means to Ed Rendell.

Posted by: paul94611 | August 26, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Governors Rendell & Long. Two of a kind.

Posted by: paul94611 | August 26, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"Obama Junkie: if Obama is outraged by the Iraq war, why did he pick a VP who voted for the war in the first place ?"

Posted by: mabruno | August 26, 2008 4:11 PM
______________________________________________________________
Because it's hard to find one that didn't
AND
Joe Biden admitted it was a mistake.

As opposed to Hillary, who could not.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Jake,

Have you seen the Hotline poll? Obama has a 4pt lead, 44-40, but while the normal disclaimers apply (blacks and young voters are undercounted, even by 2000 and 2004 standards) the big kicker is that these people said they voted Bush 48-35 over Kerry. (see q31, p15).

Makes you wonder who picks up the phone and answers these polls...

http://www.diageohotlinepoll.com/08_Aug_Data.pdf

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 26, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Please see my previous post: "I am not the mole". I also weigh 170 lbs., do not live with my parents, and am retired with plenty of time to waste here (when I'm not golfing ; )

Next ad hominem attack?

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 5:33 PM
---------------------------------------------
I hate golf.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

somebody tell this guy to hush up!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

AnnapolisMD:

AsperGirl is married, and I suspect that was a fake AsperGirl (maybe even you) posting at 5:19 PM.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Just got back from the Olympics vacation and wtf???

McCain is ahead in the Gallop Poll and there is a commercial on in the Midway Airport with Obama and Ayers whooping it up!

Leave the country for 2 weeks and BAM, come back to a new world.

Yeah,yeah I can hear the carps: Go Away again. Nowayjose. It's time for College Football season. Geaux Tigres!

Posted by: GPMNYC | August 26, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

geauxobama wrote:

since when, ESPECIALLY after the last 8 years, has it been BAD to be SMART?

::::::::::::::::::::::::

Man, it's certainly not bad at all to be smart. But smart will get you nowhere if you can't win an election. Evidence of wrongdoing, foolish leadership, the promise of going along the same track for the next four years, all of this is present.

But you still have to sell it to the people. Obama thus far has not sold it. Am I wrong? Look at the polls. There's a great amount of doubt about his conviction and his ability to close. Listen, I'm an Obama voter, but I'm also not blind.

Posted by: Worthy Evans | August 26, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Rendell thinks Obama would be doing much better if he was an angry bitter black man! As part of the 99% of Americans who don't know who Adali Stevenson was except that he ran against Ike, one of the greatest heroes to come out of World War II, I'd have to say that that Rendell is more similar to Jimmy Hoffa than Obama is to a candidate who lost what were basically un-winnable elections more than half a century ago.

Posted by: Thomas Fiore | August 26, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Annoyed:

Please see my previous post: "I am not the mole". I also weigh 170 lbs., do not live with my parents, and am retired with plenty of time to waste here (when I'm not golfing ; )

Next ad hominem attack?

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"Suppose you're a voter, and you've got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don't think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?" (Bill Clinton at the Democratic Convention)

Posted by: ClintonDem4Cynthia08 | August 26, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

This is good right now - needed. Granted, I'm not certain that it belongs in the national media, but the function here is a realistic self-assessment. I strongly doubt that Jim Rendell is offering evidence of sour grapes. Rather, I think he wants a victory in November.

I'm a HUGE fan of Senator Obama. And, to a considerable extent, I believe that he's already tweaked his message. So, too, Michelle, who's performance last night was pitch perfect for middle America. In fact the Obama campaign seems to have hit fighting form. And Senator Obama has obviously pocketed much of his erudition, saving his brains for the Oval Office while sharing his guts and his heart with the electorate.

Having said all this, I am accutely aware of the fact we are playing a game against the Al Davis of politics. The Republicans will continually hit below the belt, and the sacred, Rovian 85/15 ratio of negative to positive advertising will be function as their guiding philosophy. So, we're going to have to continue doing what we're doing while sharpening the message ever more.

Most folks haven't seen an Obama campaign. I call him the Tom Landry or Tony Dungy of politics. Always the poker face. Always the cool. Never too high or too low. All of these are the marks of a great leader, because, as we all know, emotion can win you the first quarter but it tends to fail you in the fourth. Barack will be, as Roger Simon quoted yesterday, "relentless" in this campaign, ever eyeing the small, quite invisible victories while preparing to execute for the larger opportunities.

Elections are won by degrees, by millions of phone calls, tens of thousands of media impressions and the fateful shoulder tap of history that seems to lift up certain candidates at the crucial moment.

Long ago, I realized that Senator Obama could only win by way of improbable events, but that those events had to include preparation from our end.

Such seems to have held true thus far. And I've a feeling that, just as it has throughout, the process will reveal the next right step, and the next and the next, offering improbable breaks, opportune turns, more than one tough hit, and the outcome that we seek: Barack Obama and Joe Biden in the White House.

Posted by: Arlo Scott Kennedy | August 26, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Biden needs to have a word with Ed. Hey Ed, you got something to say about the Republicans? Go ahead and say it. You got something to say about Obama? Shut the Frack up!

Posted by: thebob.bob | August 26, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,

If you think that Rendell is 'hot', you need to get a life (and a boy friend).

Posted by: AnnapolisMD | August 26, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,

If you think Rendell is 'hot' you need to get a life.

Posted by: AnnapolisMD | August 26, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Thank god for blogs now everyone has an opinion and is a political strategist

Posted by: james | August 26, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

JakeD is either a mole, a 300 lb man sitting in his parents' basement all day responding to online news, or a complete waste of money at his place of employment. He appears on every single news comment board spouting off the same ideas over and over again.

Posted by: Annoyed | August 26, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

By the way, if the election were today Obama would win. He's getting Kerry's 252 electoral votes. (He has a bigger lead in Michigan than nationwide at this point, which is a key indicator. And NH is anti-war and pro environment- and guns are off the table). Plus Iowa (ethanol) that's 259. Plus New Mexico and Colorado (latinos and water rights) that's 273, game over. And with the young and black voters not being factored into the polls, he'd probably win Virginia, Ohio, and Nevada too, and North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Montana, the Dakotas, and Alaska would be very close.

Obama has an impressive field operation that should give him an additional 4-5 points in the key battlegrounds.

You guys can do the chicken little or the sky is falling routine all you want, but Obama is winning this thing.

But keep up the drama, it makes the field ops people work harder!

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 26, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Ed Rendell thank you for your concern. I think a comparsion of Obama to Ronald Reagan would have be better.

But since a lot more voters are going online and will see this article I hope you don't mind us courting them.

John Mellencamp - Small Town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eDkAG3R0h8

Bruce Springsteen - Radio Nowhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmLt6kcZ72Q

Don't worry about the Republican Attack machine. Hillary, Bill, Biden and Obama are a team and will answer your concerns starting tonight and the next 2 nights and thats just the start. Help is on the Gov. Ed Rendell don't give up hope! After Labor Day the pace will pick up!

Posted by: Cooday | August 26, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama's speech last night was horrendous. It was fake and over-choreopgraphed. In today's prevailing culture of reality TV it is not surprising that many people liked it. The speech would have been much better if she had actually put some heart into it, and not just pretended to be like the common man/woman, because she is not.

Posted by: Maggie Smith | August 26, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"and dwelling on all of Obama's "suspect" friends"

--
Um, is this some sort of contention "Reverend" Wright and Bill Ayers are not suspect?

Posted by: The Ace | August 26, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Rendell is hot. And smart.

LOL. MSNBC is getting shouted out by protesters as they attempt to cover the convention from their outside set.

Poor Chris Matthews. I wonder if his leg can tingle at the same time his ears are ringing.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

An extremely bad day for the Baracky Hussein Obama campaign.

After all this time and wait, he chooses a man (Joe Biden) with the personality of a "dead fish" - and that is putting it mildly.

I can't believe that Baracky Hussein Obama did not even consider Hillary Clinton.

I can only assume that he believes that he has the women's vote locked up.

I hope that all Hispanic voters realize, that they will be at the bottom of the barrel if Baracky Hussein Obama is elected in November. He will have to pacify the black electorate after receiving 99 % of their vote.

Democrats for John McCain in 2008.


Posted by: gary | August 26, 2008 4:19 PM


//

You're the same troll who posts on all the other blogs here..."Baracky" this and "Baracky" that. Nothing else. And you're a Democrat like you're a Ph.D. in physics.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Silly comments like these used to disappear into the garbage can. Now they are almost all that makes the news. All that said, when the shouting's over, Democrats and independents know who is the best team by a long shot.

Posted by: Eugene | August 26, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I'd also contend that neither James Carville nor David Gergen thought Obama had a reasonable chance against Hillary a year ago.

And that is Carville is such a great strategist then why isn't Hillary the nominee of the democratic party?

A high school senior could have managed that campaign better than Hillary's people did. They had to do ONE THING present her in a way that would make her more likable.

Crying didn't do it. Carping didn't do it.

This election is a lot like '80. People want change but they want to take their time and make sure that Obama is up to the task.

Obama doesn't need to go negative. People like Rendell should get off their high horse and act like a good democratic surrogate and attack McCain for Obama.

That's the way it should be done. Playing games, comparing Obama to Stevenson (who the hell in the mainstream even gets that other than us political junkies), what is he doing- trying to appease the Clinton people or trying to work a side deal with Obama for his full support. Because with talk like that it is clear he isn't with the whole program of peace, prosperity, health care, education, and energy independence yet. Silly political rabbit, tricks are made for kids.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 26, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Gary,

Just to be clear...

There is no such thing as a Democrat for McCain!

Posted by: AnnapolisMD | August 26, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I can't stand Rendell, but I agree.

I've been comparing Barack Obama to Adlai Stevenson, all year long.

Two guys from Illinois who are great orators who were destined to go down in flames to old military guys.

McCain ain't no Ike (Eisenhower), though, but Americans aren't going to vote for Obama by the time the Republicans/Media finish raising and dwelling on all of Obama's "suspect" friends in order to give white middle of the road voters the "EXCUSES" they need to vote against Obama.

Posted by: HGG | August 26, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I can't stand Rendell, but I agree.

I've been comparing Barack Obama to Adlai Stevenson, all year long.

Two guys from Illinois who are great orators who were destined to go down in flames to old military guys.

McCain ain't no Ike (Eisenhower), though, but Americans aren't going to vote for Obama by the time the Republicans/Media finish raising and dwelling on all of Obama's "suspect" friends in order to give white middle of the road voters the "EXCUSES" they need to vote against Obama.

Posted by: HGG | August 26, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

When you've got James Carville and David Gergen simultaneously ridiculing your convention on live national television, you've got a big, big problem.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

josephfranklyn:

Is James Carville (see his comment below) a "Democrat in name only" as well?

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse


.
"Democrats bicker over how hard to hit McCain"

Step 1: Have the spineless, gutless wimps "sweetie" hussen and plagiarist-joe borrow a pair from Hillary so they at least pretend to act like men.

Step 2: do what Hillary would have done.

/

Posted by: ALEX H. | August 26, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

josephfranklyn:

Is James Carville a "Democrat in name only" as well?

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

THE ONLY THING HIL HAS TO DO: SIGNAL THAT SUPPORTERS

MUST REJECT OBAMA AS THE DEM STANDARD-BEARER


• The Answer: Barack for VP, Under Hillary or Al Gore

• Stop the "Silent" Hotel Room Vote; It's Anti-Democratic and Stalinistic


Obama has turned autocratic and obstinate.

He had more than two months to unite the party.

He failed to do so.

He could have reached out to Clinton, swallowed his pride and united the party by offering her the VP slot.

He failed to do so.

Obama could have adopted a "working person's hero" strategy, emphasizing the economy and showing empathy to the struggles of everyday people.

He failed to do so.

Obama could have spent the late summer working hard every day to win over his skeptics, being present on the scene during the recent crisis in Georgia, not lazing on the beach on vacation.

He failed to do so.

Now it's up to the delegates. Do they stick with a flagging candidate -- one who repeatedly has failed to close the deal; one who has vacillating on the issues; one who has repeatedly demonstrated his hubris; one who has cloaked himself in empty rhetoric and who has yet to spell out just what he means by "change"?

Today's comments by PA Gov. Ed Rendell speak volumes. When Rendell says the Dems are in danger of losing the Keystone State, you know it's "condition critical."

The Dems cannot afford to lose. Obama, one again, is looking like he can't close the deal.

This is the Dems' last chance to rescue themselves from what increasingly is looking like a losing proposition.

Hillary must convince the delegates that she will wholeheartedly support the Democratic candidate.

She also must signal that the candidate at the top of the ticket must be someone other than Barack Obama.

BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism


Posted by: scrivener | August 26, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

This is a strange year. Black candidate. vs. Woman candidate, who was the first lady in a scandal-ridden yet prosperous and peaceful Administration.

The polls don't matter at this point, just like they didn't at the convention back in 1980 when people wanted change but didn't know if Reagan was up to the challenge.

If Obama can unite the party between now and November 4th, he wins. Period. End of story. With the voter registration changes, electoral vote dynamics, and young and black voter dynamics, if Hillary and Bill are campaigning for Obama down the stretch he wins going away. He may not need them, but if he gets them between now and mid-October he'll blow this thing open.

Posted by: Deep Blue | August 26, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

It's no longer "the economy,stupid," it's become "my pocketbook, stupid." Politicians of both parties play to the swing slice of the electorate the way CEOs play to greedy shareholders. Give me results the next Quarter, not next year or for the long term. What a way to bankrupt a country drunk first on stock speculation, then easy mortgage money, all the while driving gas guzzlers until our economy and country is owned by cheap Chinese manufactures and Russian/Saudi big oil. Will any real leader step forward to tell the truth?

Posted by: fjwas | August 26, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

WaPo has given Rendell, the Clinton hanger-on, front page coverage two days running to bash Obama, the Democratic Presidential nominee....Rendell is a Democrat in name only.....he's basically an untrustworthy, self-serving phony...

Posted by: josephfranklyn | August 26, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

THE ONLY THING HIL HAS TO DO: SIGNAL THAT SUPPORTERS
MUST REJECT OBAMA AS THE DEM STANDARD-BEARER


• The Answer: Barack for VP, Under Hillary or Al Gore

• Stop the "Silent" Hotel Room Vote; It's Anti-Democratic and Stalinistic

Obama has turned autocratic and obstinate.

He had more than two months to unite the party.

He failed to do so.

He could have reached out to Clinton, swallowed his pride and united the party by offering her the VP slot.

He failed to do so.

Obama could have adopted a "working person's hero" strategy, emphasizing the economy and showing empathy to the struggles of everyday people.

He failed to do so.

Obama could have spent the late summer working hard every day to win over his skeptics, being present on the scene during the recent crisis in Georgia, not lazing on the beach on vacation.

He failed to do so.

Now it's up to the delegates. Do they stick with a flagging candidate -- one who repeatedly has failed to close the deal; one who has vacillating on the issues; one who has repeatedly demonstrated his hubris; one who has cloaked himself in empty rhetoric and who has yet to spell out just what he means by "change"?

Today's comments by PA Gov. Ed Rendell speak volumes. When Rendell says the Dems are in danger of losing the Keystone State, you know it's "condition critical."

The Dems cannot afford to lose. Obama, one again, is looking like he can't close the deal.

This is the Dems' last chance to rescue themselves from what increasingly is looking like a losing proposition.

Hillary must convince the delegates that she will wholeheartedly support the Democratic candidate.

She also must signal that the candidate at the top of the ticket must be someone other than Barack Obama.


BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER? Not when government-supported "vigilante injustice" squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/get-political-vic-livingston-opinion-expose-state-supported-vigilante-squads-doing-domestic-terrorism


Posted by: scrivener | August 26, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

WaPo has given Rendell, the Clinton hanger-on, front page coverage on two days running to bash Obama.....he's this....he's that...but not what I want....Rendell is a complete self-serving phony.....

Posted by: sjosephs | August 26, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The netroots and media are leading the Democrats off another cliff this year. Lemmings everywhere. Low-I.Q., narcissistic, liberal arts lemmings.
Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 4:23 PM
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You know, as left-of-center as I am politically--and I am, very--I don't hate conservatives. I have conservative family and friends, and I don't hate them. Or you.

That said, I often feel like a second-class citizen in my own country. I wish there were some way to have a meaningful political/philosophical discussion with people whose views I don't share without being denigrated or ridiculed. I don't agree with much of what you say (or people like Jake D on this and other threads), but I'd defend to the death your right to say it.

Many people on the political left simply want to be heard, and they believe (rightly, in my opinion) that there is a double standard in terms of what Republicans can say, do and get away with--including how they're treated by the media--and what Democrats/liberals/progressives/lefties (like myself) can. Maybe you have felt the same way? If so, we have at least one thing in common.

I won't be at your convention next week trying to destroy you. If the candidate I prefer wins in November (which, I realize, you hope he won't), I won't be gloating about it. In my estimation, the only reason for politics is to try to solve problems for the majority of people who are too distant from the seats of power to be able to do it for themselves. Most people--right, left and center--just want their lives, and those of their kids and grandkids, to be better.

Posted by: tellthetruth | August 26, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

OH MY GOD IT'S STARTED ALREADY

Biden sheds tears in press conference about getting nominated VP, then rambles how much the press has meant to him personally as individuals over the years
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/biden-chokes-up.html

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Rendell is someone I respect about knowing his state and how to win it. Obama has earned his position as candidate for the party. As someone already mentioned he bested the Daly and the Clinton machine. I am going to put my money on Obama.

Maybe Rendell and the Clintons are right, but they were not in the primary. Obama ran because he thought it was a year for change. What we need is real change in the way government operates. Obama represents that change. If he listens to Rendell he is switching horses in mid stream and that is a loosing proposition. Obama had a plan on winning much in the style of Lincoln. We are about to find out in the next 10 weeks if Obama is a Lincoln because McCain could certainly be a Stephen Douglas.

Posted by: Gator-ron | August 26, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Republicans for Obama/Biden '08

“Does baloney fear the grinder?”
William F. Buckley, Jr. quote

Democrats courting Republican and Independent Voters!

The Chantay's - Pipeline (Lawrence Welk Show)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j09C8clJaXo

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Eagle nas gadooshu | August 26, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Republicans for Obama/Raven

“Mr. Bush is in the hands of a fortune that will be unremitting on the point of Iraq. If he'd invented the Bill of Rights, it wouldn't get him out of his jam.”
William F. Buckley, Jr. quote

Posted by: Yeil | August 26, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

OK, I only have one question: since when, ESPECIALLY after the last 8 years, has it been BAD to be SMART? With all the problems the next president will have to deal with, why in the name of all things holy WOULDN'T we want the smartest, most capable candidate? Good grief! This is such a ridiculous criticism. If we can seriously look at someone so bright and qualified as Obama and decry how bright and qualified he is, well, I don't know what to think. Achievement and smarts are NOT a bad thing!

Posted by: geauxobama | August 26, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl wrote:
"The netroots and media are leading the Democrats off another cliff this year. Lemmings everywhere. Low-I.Q., narcissistic, liberal arts lemmings."
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Being a liberal artser myself, I don't think that's the problem. If anything, the dailykostards et cetera are not using their liberal arts degrees to the extent that they are useful.

For one, netroots people need to note the signs outside of computer monitors and polls. Ed Rendell, Paul Begala, James Carville, call them whatever you will, they aren't dummies. I'm an Obaman, and for the sake of America, I hope Hillary can bring out the billyclubs. And show her fellow democrats how to use them.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I'd say Michlle Obama wears the pants in that family.

And judging from that speech last night, that's not saying much.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

No wonder the governor refused to be on this loosing ticket

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Adlai Stevenson is not running ...

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Adlai Stevenson over a 72 year old male gigolo with seven houses any day.

Posted by: playa | August 26, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Poor Rendell, taking abuse from the stupid, deluded and cult fanatics just because he's man enough to speak up and smart enough to have a great opinion worth stating.

The netroots and media are leading the Democrats off another cliff this year. Lemmings everywhere. Low-I.Q., narcissistic, liberal arts lemmings.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

bostonboy wrote:
"I think what many cannot seem to gather is that there are 70 days left, 10 weeks, and in that time there will be up cycles and down cycles."
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Bostonboy, do you agree that your party's nominating convention, in which at least half a dozen networks give you free primetime coverage, should be an upcycle?
Gallup Daily Tracking Poll has McCain up 2 points, Rasmussen Daily is now tied. Obama's support is sagging. I'm a democrat, a hardcore democrat, and I'm wondering where the fight is in our man. Upcycle or downcycle, there doesn't seem to be a fight in him.

Posted by: Worthy Evans | August 26, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

mountainman:

I am not a "mole". I am simply quoting DEMOCRATS, admit it. I don't want my country or Christianity to suffer -- if you think this campaign is nasty, you haven't studied American political campaigns -- the "Debra" ad is nothing compared to Adams vs. Jefferson.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

An extremely bad day for the Baracky Hussein Obama campaign.

After all this time and wait, he chooses a man (Joe Biden) with the personality of a "dead fish" - and that is putting it mildly.

I can't believe that Baracky Hussein Obama did not even consider Hillary Clinton.

I can only assume that he believes that he has the women's vote locked up.

I hope that all Hispanic voters realize, that they will be at the bottom of the barrel if Baracky Hussein Obama is elected in November. He will have to pacify the black electorate after receiving 99 % of their vote.

Democrats for John McCain in 2008.

Posted by: gary | August 26, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

CL writes "You know, Barack Obama is the only candidate in history who has beaten both the Clinton machine AND the Daley machine."

Is this a new lie the BHO campaign is pushing? Because, as anyone there will tell you, he's part of the ChicagoMachine.

In fact:

http://nalert.blogspot.com/2007/06/is-barack-obama-more-corrupt-than-you.html

Posted by: 24AheadDotCom | August 26, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

He is not thinking when he speaks. Who cares how long Stevenson he talked. The most people saw of Stevenson was maybe a news reel at the movies or in the evening paper. These people like to try to sound intellectual but it is like comparing B&W TV and the internet. People are a lot smarter today then he wants to give them credit for.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Adlai was a true intellectual, and while he often did what he "had to do" he did not continually tack to the political winds. Obama has not shown any consistency at all. He was against the war, for it, and then against it again. He was for unconditional negotiations with foreign dictators before he was against it. He alternatively thinks you are rich if your family income is over $90K and $250K.

There is one way, however, in which Obama is like Adlai- he will lose.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | August 26, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

So, if James Carville says: "If this party has a message it's done a hell of a job hiding it tonight" you Obamaniacs are going to throw him out of the Party too?
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C'mon Jake D -- you're a mole, admit it. We all know you, like Tom DeLay, REALLY want to just WIN this political contest ... at any cost, even if your own country suffers, even against the precepts of CHRISTIANITY. The Hillary-turned-McCain woman from Wisconsin that came on our screen last night in the mountain states was really unprecedented -- nice job Jake D and Repubs! You really have taken this to new levels. Ask God what he or she thinks of all of this stuff that you are doing in his or her name when you kneel bedside tonight.

Posted by: mountainman | August 26, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama Junkie: if Obama is outraged by the Iraq war, why did he pick a VP who voted for the war in the first place ?

Posted by: Mbruno | August 26, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse


That was the Democratic National Convention last night??

I though it was rhythmic gymnastics.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton today in Denver said: "Suppose you're a voter, and you've got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don't think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?"

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/bill-clinton-in-denver-again-undercuts-obama-2008-08-26.html

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Only a BHO supporter (like, in this case, EH) could deny the push for something after BHO sideways acknowledged it: it's classic doublethink.

Here's the link from before where BHO describes the NAFTAsuperhighway, which supposedly isn't being pushed:

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007602.html

As for the national parks and the UN, see this:

http://wikipediabias.com/world-heritage-site

Posted by: 24AheadDotCom | August 26, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Rendell is trying to help Obama. But Obama stops listening when someone is telling him what he needs to do. Obama doesn't like doing. People are suppose to "come to Obama". He's not supposed to do anything about it, but just be. If they require something of him, they don't "get it"

Posted by: Anne | August 26, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

You know, Barack Obama is the only candidate in history who has beaten both the Clinton machine AND the Daley machine. So I'm going to give him and his team the benefit of the doubt that they know what they're doing.

Posted by: CL | August 26, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I think what many cannot seem to gather is that there are 70 days left, 10 weeks, and in that time there will be up cycles and down cycles. It is the campaign's desire - and requirement - to time the upcycle with good news for their candidate. Ten weeks is a lifetime in politics, as we have seen play out this year for sure. Given that reality, it will be interesting to see how the two campaigns roll out their positive news on a weekly basis until the first Tuesday in November.

Posted by: bostonboy | August 26, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse


Adlai Stevenson. Humphrey. McGovern. Dukakis. Kerry. Obama.

They're all the same candidate.

And all with the same fate.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Fast Eddie and Carville are catching on:

The Senator has no clothes.

Posted by: Kid in the Crowd | August 26, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse


Rendell is dead on. Too much over-intellectualizing makes people wonder if the person is connected to their own humanity, and that of others. There is a difference between being smart and being wise. Rendell is talking about being wise.

Also, liked Ed's comments about the media coverage of Obama being "embarrassing." Give em heck Ed! Rendell for President!

Posted by: vah | August 26, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

So, if James Carville says: "If this party has a message it's done a hell of a job hiding it tonight" you Obamaniacs are going to throw him out of the Party too?

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I think Ed Rendell was just offering advice. I think it's worth listening to, since Rendell is fairly successful in PA. He's not dumb, just prone to gaffes.

Posted by: Jim | August 26, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Democrat, going to vote for Obama, but Rendell's point is as huge as his corpulence.
Need proof? McCain -- MCCAIN! -- is up in the Gallup Daily Tracking Poll IN THE MIDST OF THE DNC. See:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109834/Gallup-Daily-Bounce-Obama-Post-Biden-Tracking.aspx

Whether or not you believe in polls, the numbers are numbers. It is time to fight. Stop this bipartisan nonsense and hit the Rebuplicans any chance you get. There's time for bipartisanship after Jan. 20, 2009.

Posted by: Worthy Evans | August 26, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Rendell said "With people who have a lot of gifts, it's hard for people to identify with them."
What's his point? We've seen the horrible results of 8 years of the intellectually laziest president in history. THAT'S WHY WE WANT OBAMA - THE GUY WITH A BRAIN WHO KNOWS HOW TO USE IT. THE GUY WHO WON'T EMBARRASS US ON THE WORLD STAGE. THE GUY WHO DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE BAGGAGE OF RENDELL'S CANDIDATE. Obama came out of nowhere, ran a terrific campaign and won against the Clinton machine (which Rendell was a big part of). So tell us again, why should Obama listen to people like Rendell?

Posted by: Joyce | August 26, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Rendell is hilarious. I have a feeling Obama will take his advice, and will go on to win the election. Funny thing is, I get the feeling sometimes that underneath the 'thoughtful, intelligent guy' exterior, Obama is pretty funny and relaxed, and very 'regular.' So, it's great that he won't have to 'manufacture' a new identity, he just needs to be himself. And then he wins.

Posted by: PLG | August 26, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I just can't wait until Lily Bedwetter speaks, right before Mark Warner's Keynote Address.

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Someone always knows how to run something better. I'm with Obama "everyone can run their mouth but I am in control and I know what I am doing, that's why I am the nominee."

Posted by: millerc1233521 | August 26, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

It's so sad that the Democrats run their party such that really tough leaders like the Clintons, Rendell, and Strickland have to take a backseat to tickets headed by losing, affected, phony, elitists like Obama and Kerry, election after election.

The Republicans are really, really lucky that the media is not part of its base.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

With Biden's 'Muskie' momment on the front e-page this morning on NYT, we'll be down 30 percentage points in the next poll. Hillary/Richardson '08.

Posted by: lockmallup | August 26, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Been yelling "ouch" a lot, JakeD...roids?

Posted by: Rendell - fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to govern, son | August 26, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Ah, another ill-informed person who thinks there is a North American Union and NAFTA superhighway. I remember back in college years ago, when you conspiracy theorists were warning how the national parks were really just a front for the UN to take over American land. That didn't happen, did it? Find something better to do with your time.

Posted by: EH | August 26, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Rendell. A lot of people, particularly hard working women with jobs and family, have precious little time to read and watch long speeches/position papers. I though Obama's speeches on race and on patriotism were wonderful but they were on during the day and were long. I bet they influenced very few of the people who had/have questions about Obama in those areas.

Posted by: DRD | August 26, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The netroots are all angry at Rendell because in their dimb-bulb, thought-policed world, blind obedience to talking points is the best way to build a strong party and electorate. They function on dogma and spreading memes, believing that others are too stupid to process a full discussion of issues, only because their own liberal arts lite discussions consist of swapping snappy memes and framing and reframing current events in those memes.

Rendell is exactly right. If the Republicans can lose this year, they will lose on the economy. McCain's economic platform is simply clueless, incoherent and seriously off-base.

McCain's economic positions and platform are to losing the Republicans losing the election what Obama's foreign policy naivete and cluelessness is to the Democrats' chances of losing the election.

Posted by: AsperGirl | August 26, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Love how the Obama Kool Aid drinkers love to squash any type of different opinion.


New type of governing, indeed.

Posted by: Orwell | August 26, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Rendell says: "And the six-minute answer is smart as all get out. It's intellectual. It's well framed. It takes care of all the contingencies. But it's a lousy soundbite."

Here's an example of one of BHO's "six-minute answers". It includes a lie, BHO saying more than his handlers probably want him to say, and just a lot of obfuscation in general:

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007602.html

And, here's another "six-minute answer", with BHO this time trying to sell a 10-year-old on illegal activity:

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007335.html

Posted by: 24AheadDotCom | August 26, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Can we stop this "Obama is handsome" thing? He's skinny, he has a ice-cream-cone-shaped head, and his ears stick waaaaaaay out.

If you think he's handsome, good for you. But it's not an objective fact.

Posted by: AK | August 26, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Just because Ed Rendell is dumber than a rock, it doesn't mean all politicians have to be! We already have that with Bush and McCain.

Posted by: tom | August 26, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Rendell--another rejected VP wannabe. Get over yourself and grow up. Drag the Hildebeast with you.

Posted by: jmsbh | August 26, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

You can tell Ed Rendell for me that its because of the "six minute answer" that I was for Obama instead of his darling, Clinton, whose "sound bite" answers were pandering to a public DESPERATE for thoughtful leaders.

Personally, I truly don't believe that most Americans are NEARLY as dumb as Gov. Rendell apparently thinks. (Thank God!)

Posted by: Carmen Cameron | August 26, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Why would Rendell say this, knowing the controversy around the convention and how both sides want to tamp it down. He just lost a lot of respe4ct from inside the party.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | August 26, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I am fed up with Ed Rendell, and not just because of this one interview. Everyone said during the primary that Rendell was a great guy, a real Democrat who would be on board 110 percent if Obama won. Guess again.

His talking points over the last 24 to 48 hours:

1. MSNBC is too pro-Obama
(Imagine a prominent Republican saying that Fox News is too pro-McCain)

2. Obama is like Adlai Stevenson--a loser. (Well, that comment sure speaks for itself. Thanks, Ed. You're the wind beneath our wings.)

3. Joe Biden helps in Pennsylvania by about two percentage points. But Tom Ridge would help McCain about twice as much.

4. Democrats in Pennsylvania who supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries will vote for Obama, but they won't knock on doors or make phone calls.
(Well, after that giant permission slip and encouragement from their governor to sit this one out, I'm sure that's true. In decent states like Virginia, many former Clinton supporters are working long hours as volunteers for Obama. I've met them myself every day as we unify here in Fairfax County. People at the grassroots will always do the right thing for the party--but only if the state leadership decides to lead.)

I used to admire Ed Rendell. What a shame.

Posted by: A shameful spectacle | August 26, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm suing for taking my tag line.

Posted by: Bob The Builder | August 26, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Rendell does have a point here. Obama needs to show America that he is outraged by how the Iraq War has distracted America's fight on the War on Terror and hurt America's economy. He needs to restate with PASSION the actual number of Americans dead because of the Iraq War (and the number of American injuries) as well as the thousands of dead Iraqis and millions of displaced Iraqis.

Obama needs to really go after McCain's gaffe on forgetting how many homes he owns with his wife. In this economic environment Obama should be hammering McCain on his cavalier attitude about home foreclosures. McCain clearly is out of touch with the rest of us when it comes to the economy.

We all know Obama is an eloquently speaker, but he does need some winning stinging soundbites to hit McCain on and win over undecided voters.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | August 26, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Big Ed,why can't you shut the hell up
I am so darn sick of your, Hillary loving
tail,that I could just piss in your ear,
Why don't you and Billy & hillary just start your own party,and I do live here in
philly,and will gladly vote GOP,just to get rid of yourArse.

YES WE CAN!

Posted by: Nutter | August 26, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Ouch!

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Could have been worse, he could have compared him to Howard Dean.

Posted by: Half-Full | August 26, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I believe the Adlai Stevenson is an apt comparison (although Stevenson had MORE experience than Obama).

Posted by: JakeD | August 26, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

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