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The New ABB is Anybody but Bayh

By Jonathan Weisman
Just 14 days from now, the vice presidential nominee of the Democratic Party is to take the prime-time stage at the party's convention in Denver and become a key piece of Barack Obama's presidential aspirations and the future of the Democratic Party.

The antiwar left does not want that person to be Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana.

On liberal blogs, on Facebook, and in private, online conclaves, liberal activists are trying to thwart the selection of Bayh, whose support for the invasion of Iraq, mild persona and moderate social politics have raised their fury. They are not wild about the other finalists, either. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joseph R. Biden (D-Del.) was a reluctant supporter of the Iraq war resolution, and Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine has become suspect on the environment for some liberals.

But Bayh has earned their unparalleled animus.

"Now that Joe Lieberman is no longer a Democrat, [Obama] can't pick anyone in the Democratic Party worse than Evan Bayh," fumed Max Bernstein, whose anti-Bayh Facebook page now has 2,186 members.

That's a far cry from the 100,000 his nascent page is shooting for, but the site is not the only focal point of the burgeoning anti-Bayh movement. Ari Melber at the Washington Independent has been busy chronicling Bayh's demerits, including, principally his co-sponsorship of the 2003 congressional resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq and his co-chairmanship of the pro-invasion Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Others have pointed to his leadership of efforts to ban so-called partial birth abortion, which they say shows that he is willing to go along with anti-abortion canards to burnish his moderate image. Then there are his blow-dried good looks and aw-shucks demeanor -- hallmarks of a career pol they insist could never help Obama actually win Indiana much less the White House.

The liberal, invitation-only Townhouse e-mail list-serve has been buzzing with anti-Bayh ferment of late, especially since Obama is widely expected to name his running mate early next week. But Obama has also shown he is willing to hold the liberal blogosphere at arms length, most recently by ignoring Internet entreaties to abandon support for a compromise bill on warrantless wiretapping.

Still, the left's Bayh fixation may be having an impact. The Bayh buzz has died down a bit. The new media darling appears to be Biden.

By Web Politics Editor  |  August 14, 2008; 4:24 PM ET
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Go to National Review and look at the all the quotes and tv clips they have of Biden praising John McCain, pushing for the invasion of Iraq, bashing Obama's experience.

Bayh did the same, videos on youtube of him doing it too.

Posted by: john | August 20, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Democrat that likes Evan Bayh and would be happy to see him on the ticket with Obama. The last thing I'd want to see is Kos running Obama's campaign.

Posted by: Mark | August 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I prefer Wes Clark to any other, but as long as it's not Clinton or Bayh, I'm okay with Obama making the choice that is best for himself. If it is Clinton or Bayh, I will suck it up, but I won't be the happy camper I've been so far.

Posted by: Anna | August 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

In a country with a population of 250 MILLION, since when does a 'facebook' page with 2000 members constitute the "antiwar left"?

Another non-news story.

Posted by: festinog | August 15, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Ihave been a moderate conservative for many years, Obama seems like the right choice, however Biden is a definite turnoff

Posted by: Needachange | August 14, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Ah, yes, to be protected by and then governed by Wesley The Weasel Clark. Gotta love the Weasel NOT.

Posted by: Hunter Weasel | August 14, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

The vocal right wingers would whine and cry the most at Wes Clark being picked for VP. Since they are almost always on the opposite stance of what the right thing to do is - he's my choice!

Posted by: Bob | August 14, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter if Obama is muslim or not. It's only important that enough people think he's muslim and don't vote for him. Politics is a dirty business, wimps need not play. Object is to win.
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You teach this to your kids? And you wonder why the country sucks.

Posted by: You suk sir | August 14, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I am actually from IN and Bayh was a great governor. Any Democrat that can rally Hoosiers has to have some cred to do it. It's the best litmus test of any of the VP candidates in the mix. He's boring, but for J's sake we don't need Edward's affairs or Hillary's Sybil. We need business to get done. I can overlook the war position since it is apparent there is a different viewpoint today than there was during the war vote. He will have to atone for it. But as Senator and Governor, he is very solid, he's someone you can count on and that's what the electorate wants, not crazy lefties or righties.

Posted by: Akron is not in IN | August 14, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

What I find interesting about the criticism of Evan Bayh is that none of it looks at his performance as the Governor of Indiana.

Simply put, he was terrible. He brought no innovation and left after having accomplished nothing except an empty promise to unionize state employees. Between Bayh and his successor, Indiana's state government was as poorly run as that of Ohio under Taft.

We can argue about policy, but bad executive performance is simply bad for all of us. Similarly, Richardson was incompetent while the Secretary of Energy and UN Ambassador. Why would anyone want to see him in an office where he can do more harm?

Posted by: Akron | August 14, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

IN 2004 IF KERRY HAD SELECTED WES CLARK, HE WOULD BE PRESIDENT NOW. THE THREAT OF TERRORISM WILL BE THE DECIDER IN NOVEMBER IHAVE BEEN VOTING SINCE 1956 AND CLARK IS BY FAR THE BEST CHOICE!

Posted by: daniel lynch | August 14, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Why not Wes Clark? Incredible military/foreign policy experience, a Washington "outsider"; against the Iraq war from day one; well liked by Netroots/liberal dems; Catholic and speaks Spanish; from the South....among many other positive traits.

I think he is easily the strongest pick for Dem VP.

Posted by: Josh Larson | August 14, 2008 5:36 PM
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Why not just make him the Dem PRESIDENTIAL nominee? Obama can be his VP and get all the experience under Clark that Obama now lacks.

Posted by: None of the Above 08 | August 14, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

funny how the right wing trolls don't get (or don't care) how much their ridiculous charges against Obama contradict one another.

Its not possible to be a radical leftist Muslim radical....when is the last time you heard of a pro-gay rights islamic cleric. Pure ignorance.

Posted by: case | August 14, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The only nominee that makes sound sense is Richardson, partly because he is not a sitting Senator.
P.S. I have never understood hating Hilary because she did not divorce Bill: his Presidential record was so positive that that alone would be reason to stick with him.

Posted by: Georgia McDaniel | August 14, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Bayh is the BEST CHOICE!!

It's the elctorial College map, stupid.

IN,MI,OH - battle royale

Posted by: south_side_of_the_sky | August 14, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter if Obama is muslim or not. It's only important that enough people think he's muslim and don't vote for him. Politics is a dirty business, wimps need not play. Object is to win.

Posted by: obamasama | August 14, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

my guess is Obama will go with either Biden, HRC or Richardson not Bayh. Bayh angers the liberal base to its core.

Posted by: tamak | August 14, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Whine, whine, whine; snivel, snivel, snivel - just more dimo/liberal drivel.

Posted by: ronski | August 14, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

He picks Hillary and the c*nt will drive me and millions of others to McCain.

Posted by: dood | August 14, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I thought I was the only one that liked Wesley Clark as VP - I guess not.

Posted by: Josh | August 14, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Hoosier and you can count me as a member of the Anybody but Bayh movement. Bayh has shown no leadership in the Senate, and he and his wife are way too cozy with special interests in the health care and finance industries.

Mark my words, Evan Bayh will be the butt of as many jokes as Dan Quayle.

What's the difference between Evan Bayh and a giant squid?

One is a spineless creature that, when it senses conflict, tries to hide its true position in a cloud of ink. The other is a mollusk.

Posted by: Conslaw | August 14, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I can only say that I listened to Tim Kaine yesterday on NPR. He went on and on about great environmental positions. I can only say that he just last month approved an old tech coal power plant that will soon be dropping soot on my house.


He seems a phony-baloney environmentalist, big spender (wants to spend a lot of money he has not got) and taxer (my taxes have gone way up since he became gov).

Posted by: Va Guy | August 14, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

This movement sounds fanatical and irrational and full of itself to me. Like the Obama campaign is really going to listen to the fringe intelligentsia of the snobbish left. They are such a small part of the electoral pie and are out of touch with the majority of voters who decide the outcome of elections. I mean, there's a reason why Obama isn't choosing Russ Feingold. This is not about picking a liberal puritan. This is about winning an election.

Posted by: Justin | August 14, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I sincerely think that Hillary should be picked as V.P. She is an extraordinary candidate for the country.Her experience and political skills compliment Obama's qualifications. It will be a grave mistake on Obama's part if he listens to his close supporters and not pick Senator Hillary for V.P.

Posted by: mlr | August 14, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK FOR VICE PRESIDENT.

Posted by: carlhcarl | August 14, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

if Christianity were as dishonest and frankly ignorant as those among the commentators here who say such Dobbs and Reilly inspired garbage, it would be shamed. Obama has gone to a Christian charge for his entire life not just for election purposes. John McCain has much less involvement in his church. Why would you not judge him by who supporters including idiots likr Oreilly, Limbaugh, Dobbs etc. It is antithetical to make the libelous statements about Obama that you are making. I grew up at least in part in other parts of the world and am a ferocious advocate of the values that this country pre Bush has espoused. A client of mine is from Nigeria and is 7th Day Adventist not Muslim and in fact has told me that a sizable minority of Nigerians are members of one Christian sect or another. If this is the way you run a campaign then shame on you and this degree of dishonesty and hatefulness is what you get in governing.

Posted by: alexandra castle | August 14, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Wes Clark would be the best choice. Not only does he have the right military and foreign policy experience, but he is as smart as Obama, a rare feat in politicians these days, but never mentioned. The Republicans never mention it since they don't have it, and the Democrats don't mention it because it is not politically correct. But intelligence is useful to avoid invading the wrong country, and will be even more important now that we have to dig out of the deep hole we are in. And something else never mentioned, is that they will have to match Vladimir, the smartest guy to come out of Russia in a long, long time.

Posted by: James Fox | August 14, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary for VP ONLY if she throws Bill to the curb like she should have long time ago!

Posted by: james | August 14, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

High five 'white male voter'. How pathetic, even if he was Muslim I'd vote for him. All these 'regards' need a good ass kickin anyway, who better to do it then a Christian Obama they think is Muslim, hahahaha, make them run for the shadows!

Posted by: alan | August 14, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Plain and simple, those who call Obama muslim are retarded and/or racist backward a$$ rednecks who don't know sh$t if it hit them in the face.

Posted by: white male voter | August 14, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse


When the people at WaPo close shop and go home, some stay back. They camp out there with their tents, sleeping bags and everything.

Why? Because, here, you are free to post as many times as you want with as many names as you want, and don't even need to create a new email id every time.

The scum's talking points are

Obama has Muslim friends, so he has Muslim ideas. God forbid I have repug friends.

Obama will dismantle the Armed Forces. When he has said he'll increase the strength of the military.

Somebody said, stick to the issues. For these scum, sticking to issues is a lost battle.

Posted by: cloud9ine | August 14, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Hillary as VP is looking more and more attractive every day.

Posted by: ADam in NJ | August 14, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama joined a Christian church only because he realized that to be elected to a political office, it is almost essential that one be Christian. He lived with his radical father for two years and visited with him in Indonesia for over a month when a teen, lived with his radical Islamic step father in Indonesia, has Islamic friends in Indonesia, his relatives in Kenya are Muslim, some radicals. He carries the lessons learned from them in his brain. How about Obama wanting to dismantle our military and leave us open to the terrorists and all the rouge nations! What a commander in chief he would make!!! He would ruin our country.

Posted by: Millie Burgoyne | August 14, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

these people calling obama a muslim are seriously deranged. Altho there is nothing wrong with that anyway. I think they are actually tipping themseves off as racists. frankly i think the country is tiring f republican pigs.

Posted by: ;paulo | August 14, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama's own brother says Obama is a Islamic THUG.

Obama = Mohammed Atta

Posted by: Terry | August 14, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Terry - If Obama is a Muslim as you say he is (which he IS NOT), then why all the brouhaha over Rev. Wright? Obama's father was a Muslim who left when Barack was TWO. How much time did he have to inculcate his child in the Muslim faith if he was only around until Barack was TWO. NONE.

You would best serve the interests of YOUR party if you would spread truth instead of lies. The Repugs have become the party of lies, innuendo, swiftboating, and shifting attention away from the ISSUES -- all while McThesulah said he would run a clean campaign. Just another of his flip-flops. STICK TO THE ISSUES.

BTW, my vote is for Bill Richardson: Lots of foreign policy experience, would help with the Hispanic vote, and is from Johnny boy's backyard. It would be a hoot to see Johnny lose the vote right from his own backyard.

Posted by: catpurrson | August 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Democrats will support whoever, so it doesn't matter... The anticipation is here, YES... Obama most likely will win, YES..... but why isn't anyone mentioning the Senator from Mass. ??

Posted by: UCFPoliSciGuy | August 14, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

If I had known how many racist bigots I could piss off by voting for Obama, I would have supported him a long time ago!

Posted by: Joe | August 14, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Dianne Feinstine. None of the negatives of Hillary and puts FL in play.

http://larrycowan.wordpress.com

Posted by: cowanl | August 14, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a Islamic turd.

Obama will pick Osama bin Laden.

Obama/Osama!

Posted by: Jihad Obama | August 14, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Jim Webb or Chuck Hagel both good picks in my book for Obama.

Posted by: Col Jack Whittington US Army | August 14, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rtfanning | August 14, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Wes Clark seems nice and reasonable, but he blames Russia for everything wrong with the world, and almost started World War 3 a while ago at a certain airport. Hes a bit of a maniac.

Posted by: Vequor | August 14, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama could still pick Bill Clinton just to confuse the heck out of all the 'expert' pundits and demanding small time bloggists. But seriously, Obama is going to pick someone whom he is comfortable with and who can be an asset in working with Congress as he is winning this thing looking away even without FL.

Posted by: arthurW from VA | August 14, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see Biden as VP - he has no qualms with speaking up, he's knowledgeable
and could hold his own with foreign leaders.
I also like Gen. Clark, someone who would shine if he got more exposure. Either would have me doing the "happy dance."

Posted by: virginia mcmahon | August 14, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Biden or Richardson. Kaine would be decent. Anybody but Bayh.

Posted by: Mike | August 14, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama should pick McCain. It's the only chance McCain has to win this election.

Posted by: Mr Nobody | August 14, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I saw this today, posted on another board:

Once again the blogoshpere shows they are too stupid to win a race.

Just keep whining, it is all you are good for.

LBJ was no great liberal, but Kennedy picked him to pick up Texas.

And if Bayh helps Obama win Indiana, he will be President.

Ever thought of that. Oops, I said thought. Don't hurt yourself.

Just keep whining, Obama will win without your great thoughts.

How is President Edwards working out for you.

Posted by: Maryanne | August 14, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama won't pick Bayh, because he's a Christian.

As a Muslim, Obama will pick another Muslim.

Posted by: Terry | August 14, 2008 5:28 PM

Yes you're absolutely right!!! That's why George Bush picked fellow satanist Dick Cheney.

Posted by: God is a Neo-Con Republican | August 14, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Wes Clark is Catholic.

Posted by: Josh Larson | August 14, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Wesley Clark would make the Zionist Anti-American Israeli JEWs happy General Clark is a JEW himself

Posted by: dk | August 14, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Why not Wes Clark? Incredible military/foreign policy experience, a Washington "outsider"; against the Iraq war from day one; well liked by Netroots/liberal dems; Catholic and speaks Spanish; from the South....among many other positive traits.

I think he is easily the strongest pick for Dem VP.

Posted by: Josh Larson | August 14, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama won't pick Bayh, because he's a Christian.

As a Muslim, Obama will pick another Muslim.

Posted by: Terry | August 14, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Nah Nope | August 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Two words...Caroline Kennedy

Posted by: feudi | August 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Tom Vilsack should be the pick.
Right on the Iraq war. Right on energy, education, health care. Born in PA. Small town mayor, state senator, two time governor. Chair of DLS, and Dem. Governors. Works with bi-partisan committees. Assisted farmers in class action suit. Close to the Clintons. Not taking a Democrat out of the Senate.

Posted by: Old Pol | August 14, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The liberals song this convention is =YOu cant always get what you want". Getting what they need is highly problematic

Posted by: nclwtk | August 14, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

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