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Joe Biden

Biden Eschews Negative Palin Talk

By Perry Bacon Jr.

DEERFIELD BEACH, Fla. -- While supporters such as former senator and Obama adviser Tom Daschle are attacking Sarah Palin as inexperienced, two people on Team Obama aren't saying anything negative about her in public: Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

"I don't know the governor," Biden said when asked by a voter here what he thought of the controversies swirling around the Alaska governor and GOP vice presidential candidate.

"I know people worry about Biden-style talk, but the truth is, I simply don't know. I take her on face value. She's a governor, that's no mean feat, and she seems to have a strong personal story."

Biden said that, based on what he knows, "there is no reason not to respect her and believe she's qualified to be vice president."

"I have a simple proposition: Children are off limits," he said, getting loud applause from the audience as he repeated a rule Obama issued yesterday.

Although Biden has criticized Republican presidential candidate John McCain over the past two days on both foreign and domestic policy issues, he had said nothing about Palin until being asked about her here.

The normally talkative senator seemed eager to move past the question, telling the crowd, "The press keeps asking me this."

Posted at 4:17 PM ET on Sep 2, 2008  | Category:  Joe Biden
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P.S. I believe that "Great point JakeD" was being sarcastic.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 4:47 AM

I love how the Republican bloggers go on and on about how Obama supporters and the "left" (ahem) media "fear" Palin. She's a scandal-ridden, unqualified VP pick who was chosen for transparently cynical political purposes........and has proven to be the greatest gift McCain could ever have given to the Democrats! Where this "fear" line comes from -- aside from supporters just mindlessly repeating McCain campaign talking points -- totally mystifies me.

If Obama's poll numbers had gone DOWN since the Palin pick was announced, instead of UP like they have, then I could see where the "fear" line comes from. But things have never looked better for the Obama campaign.

And then there's the fact that the RNC convention feels like a wake. I've never seen so many dessicated old men in one place outside a nursing home.

Posted by: R. Squibbs | September 3, 2008 4:09 AM

To JakeD and GreatPoint JakeD:

You guys exhibit the ignorance that runs through the Republican party...the good ole boy club...always pointing the finger while the finger continues to point back at you...always claiming to be so 'holier than thou' while going about committing nothing but sin. And, lastly, always whining while trying to slam everything and everybody that does not think like you. "Look in the mirror, please, and I guarantee you will not like what you see!!!"

Posted by: HoneyGee | September 3, 2008 12:30 AM

Oh, and by the way, Alaska has the highest level of STDs amongst teens...another argument for sex-education. She could be setting her kids up to not just be teen parents but to potentially die or suffer from a sexually transmitted disease.

Folks, please get a clue!!!

Posted by: HoneyGee | September 3, 2008 12:17 AM

...what is not off limits is a candidate's record. To this end, Palin's record speaks for itself: she voted against sex-education and supported abstinence. How ironic. If she exhibited the type of judgment needed for the time in which we now live - 2008 - not 1908, then she would have realized that education (knowledge) is the key. Thus, if she had educated her daughter about sex, then perhaps she would not be embarking on motherhood during a time when she should be experiencing the most exciting time of her life. To me, this shows that she just doesn't get it - like McCain.

You can try to 'slice it' how every you want, but no parent really wants to see their 17-year old child (notice I used the word child) try to raise a child of her own. This is a time for kids to begin college, experience the fun of forming lasting relationships, and the time to be young and free. So, RNC get a clue.

This along with the remainder of the rhetoric sputed by the Republicans is the reason I could never be apart of an organization that is all about "do what I say, not as I do."

That said, for me - an independent, I am energized by the Obama-Biden ticket. It is so much more refreshing than the McCain-Palin ticket. Not even trying to bring on an attractive woman to energize the ticket will give this campaign the boost that it sorely needs and should therefore be on its way out...this type of politics has no place in this country's need to move forward in a positive direction with a clean state which is soooooooooooooooooooo needed.

So, hillbillies and cowboys, please do not complain when you continue to lose your farms, shirts, boots, and hats by voting for McCain-Palin, if they win. You too have felt the wrath of the Bush-Cheney administration...don't lie. You need to get real and get educated, please. This will eventually help to make the USA more amenable for the rest of us, by avoiding the ignorance that continues to plague this country to ruin.

Lord, please bless this country and its ignorant people.

Posted by: HoneyGee | September 3, 2008 12:06 AM

Posted by: Palin is a worthless Wh0re | September 2, 2008 11:29 PM

as governor of texas palin slashed money for teen mothers now her own teenage daughter ia pregnant she doesnt believe in sex education in the schools how ironic is this situation

Posted by: janet w | September 2, 2008 8:55 PM

This is entertaining to watch. The media lives in fear of Palin because she is a she, which is why they have worked so hard to discredit her. Liberals flood the net with negative comments because they fear the potential of a charismatic female on the GOP ticket and hope their negative comments will catch. Died in the wool Republicans will not change their minds in these blogs and neither will died in the wool Democrats. One of the worlds most famous plagaerists and an ex-druggie/real estate shark watch from the sidelines, avoiding any serious questions from the media; and a lot of uncommited voters see it. And those same uncommitted voters watch in amusement, making a decision on the perponderence of the evidence, recognizing that the media cannot be relied on to provide unbiased reporting. And Sarah Palin? She will attract a huge audience when she speaks at the convention thanks to all the media coverage. And she may well come off as impressive. Americans whose votes are still up for grabs will listen intently and those who's votes aren't up for grabs will celebrate or grouse. Watch the tables turn.

Posted by: dbc | September 2, 2008 8:07 PM

Biden is the biggest liar and a gold medalist in this category games.. what do we want to hear from him? :)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 7:56 PM

Smoke Screen tactic here. Obama and Biden pretending like they don't know or have control the actions of their campaigners. Politics as usual from the Obama. Remember, the best way to beat the system is to dismantle it from within. There's no such thing as "free" in this world and Obama makes too many promises.

Posted by: billy bob | September 2, 2008 7:47 PM


Regardless of our own selfish desires, I will vote for the candidate(s) who will overturn Roe v. Wade. Many abolitionists lost everything they owned to stop slavery in America ...

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 7:01 PM

Come on people! The most important question we have to ask this election season is ARE YOU, YOUR FAMILY AND THOSE YOU KNOW AND LOVE BETTER OFF TODAY THAN THEY WERE 8 YEARS AGO? If the answer is yes, then the republican candidate should get your vote. If the answer is no then it's time for the change the democrats are pushing for! If you're without health care or receiving reduced benefits, know someone in foreclosure, seen your job disappear overseas, watched as our constitution continues to be trampled on and seen our country become the laughing stock of the free world ...stop worrying about Palin's personal family business and start making decisions about what's best for AMERICA!

Posted by: LindaB | September 2, 2008 6:52 PM


"POLAR BEARS"?! Really? You think ANY of McCain's target voters have POLAR BEARS on their Top 100 Most Important Issues?!

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 6:49 PM

Palin's record: What ADN has said
Posted by Matt Zencey, editorial page editor
Posted: September 2, 2008 - 2:19 pm

How well has Sarah Palin done during her 21 months as Alaska’s governor? Here are excerpts of Daily News editorials about some major issues and challenges during her tenure.


Aug. 5, 2008
The last time the legislature’s spending impulses got so far out of control, Gov. Sarah Palin stepped in to exercise some “adult supervision” with her veto pen.
That probably won’t happen this time -- because Palin helped start the frenzy.
She floated a plan to give every bona fide Alaskan $1,200 worth of energy debit cards over the next year. Add in electricity subsidies and a holiday on the state’s 8-cent-a-gallon gas tax, and Gov. Palin invited lawmakers to spend more than $1 billion.
The party was on.

May 24, 2008
Gov. Sarah Palin cut $268 million from the capital budget on Friday. That’s a lot of money, but still less than 10 percent of the entire $3 billion capital budget.
For the most part, the cuts make sense. . . The governor’s cuts weren’t perfect, but by and large she was right to stick with her criteria and cut accordingly.

July 16, 2007
Gov. Sarah Palin struck a modest blow for fiscal restraint with her $231 million of vetoes to this year’s near-record capital budget.
The governor didn’t show the same discipline with the operating budget, though. She let that $6.6 billion of spending slide through unscathed, even though months earlier she said she’d seek $150 million in budget cuts.


Nov. 18, 2007
It took almost all of a 30-day special session, but the Alaska Legislature passed a financially responsible fix to Alaska’s corruption-tainted oil tax.
The final measure went beyond Governor Palin’s proposal, with tighter deductions, stricter enforcement provisions and a steeper windfall profits surcharge. . . .
To pass any reform, Republican Gov. Sarah Palin needed cross-party support from Democrats. To the Democrats’ credit, they backed away from plans to return to a tax on gross oil production instead of profits. To the governor’s credit, she was flexible enough to accept significant enhancements in her initial proposal.


May 18, 2007
Gov. Sarah Palin got elected pledging to change the way business was being done in Juneau. Her commitment to open, transparent government is a stark contrast to the prevailing ethic in the Alaska Legislature.

June 6, 2008
Gov. Sarah Palin won office with the promise of running an open and transparent government. But when it comes to the state’s work on the polar bear conservation controversy, her administration is closed and opaque….
She should intervene and let Alaskans hear or see what state scientists had to say (about the global warming threat to polar bears)-- before the politicians got involved.


June 15, 2008
The Palin administration has good reason to push for an independently-owned gas pipeline from the North Slope.

June 8, 2008
The $500 million (that Gov. Palin needs to finance her proposed natural gas pipeline deal) buys Alaska a way to break that hammerlock on our gas. It buys Alaska an experienced, multibillion-dollar partner that can help get our gas produced sooner, on terms that protect Alaska’s interests.

May 29, 2008
Gov. Palin’s gas line team did an impressive amount of homework before recommending a state gas pipeline license for TransCanada Alaska.


July 22, 2008
it’s clear the governor should have supervised her family more closely and made sure they, or any members of her administration, did not use official channels to press the family’s complaints.
The big question is whether (public safety commissioner) Monegan was sacked for not doing the Palins’ bidding and firing Trooper Wooten. If so, that would be an abuse of office. . . .
An impartial investigator will have a lot more credibility than politically charged legislative hearings.
Let an investigator sort it out.

Aug. 21, 2008
Gov. Palin’s ethically compromised aide Frank Bailey gets to stay on the state payroll, despite doing dirty work on the governor’s behalf (in the trooper scandal), but she gives the hook to the ethically upright public safety commissioner who refused to do Bailey’s bidding.
What kind of message does that send to Alaskans?

July 24, 2008
If it comes to the point that you have to say, “I am not a sex harasser,” then you have no business being the state’s top cop. The facts unfolding about new Public Safety Commissioner Chuck Kopp confirm that he is not the person for the job. . . .
Gov. Sarah Palin should withdraw the appointment and take time to carefully vet possible replacements before choosing a new commissioner. If she doesn’t, the Legislature should reject his appointment.
Kopp was quickly appointed the day after the governor fired Walt Monegan -- and the firing is proving to be a political disaster for Palin in its own right, regardless of who might replace him. For no apparent reason, she sacked a popular career cop with a reputation as a straight shooter.


May 18, 2007
From beginning to end, the first session of the 25th Alaska Legislature was a personal triumph for Gov. Sarah Palin.Legislators, after initial reluctance, approved her Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) with only occasional whimpered doubts. …
Ethics reform, sneered at by a few lawmakers and many lobbyists, is now a reality. Gov. Palin’s fingerprints are all over the bill and to the public she is the face of ethics reform. . . .
Alaska’s rookie governor had a heckuva first legislative session.


Dec. 30, 2006
Despite her personal views to the contrary, she announced she would accept the state Supreme Court order that the state must provide benefits to same-sex partners….
It’s unfortunate that the Legislature and Gov. Palin support a million-dollar special advisory election in April to stir up public opinion on prohibiting benefits for same-sex partners of public employees. Less than one-half of one percent of state employees have applied for the benefits, and it certainly seems that Alaska has more important issues to debate than this.


May 28, 2008
Alaska’s political leaders generally condemned the listing of the polar bear as threatened under the Endangered Species Act.Gov. Sarah Palin joined the deniers and plans to launch a legal counteroffensive. The state will file suit against the listing decision, she says, because the science is “uncertain,” “unproven” and “arbitrary.” …
All this oppositional energy and effort is sadly misplaced. Instead of fighting the listing, Alaska’s political leaders should be fighting to reduce the threat of global warming.

Posted by: Shrubhater | September 2, 2008 6:32 PM

Biden is such a phony..... Sheessh!

Next thing you know Biden is going to say something vulgar like "Sarah appears to be a loving mom."

You Liberals make me sick.
Posted by: :-( | September 2, 2008 5:57 PM
Because he was gracious? If he hadn't been, you'd have attacked him for that, too.

Families should be off-limits. Period. Regardless of party. Kids, especially.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 6:09 PM
Ah....Sarcasm...Get a clue...

Posted by: :-( | September 2, 2008 6:14 PM
I'm not being sarcastic. I meant everything I said (I just sent it before I signed apologies for that).

Posted by: tellthetruth | September 2, 2008 6:19 PM

Keep it up, fake JakeD. I get paid for every post, whether it's me or you ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 5:22 PM
And there's the rub.

It ain't about conviction (or, as McCain says, "Politics are not about the issues"). It's all about the money.

Posted by: tellthetruth | September 2, 2008 6:17 PM

Biden is such a phony..... Sheessh!

Next thing you know Biden is going to say something vulgar like "Sarah appears to be a loving mom."

You Liberals make me sick.
Posted by: :-( | September 2, 2008 5:57 PM
Because he was gracious? If he hadn't been, you'd have attacked him for that, too.

Families should be off-limits. Period. Regardless of party. Kids, especially.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 6:09 PM
Ah....Sarcasm...Get a clue...

Posted by: :-( | September 2, 2008 6:14 PM

Biden is such a phony..... Sheessh!

Next thing you know Biden is going to say something vulgar like "Sarah appears to be a loving mom."

You Liberals make me sick.
Posted by: :-( | September 2, 2008 5:57 PM
Because he was gracious? If he hadn't been, you'd have attacked him for that, too.

Families should be off-limits. Period. Regardless of party. Kids, especially.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 6:09 PM

Well, if the PTA' moms aren't paying attention to the gutless, moraless, dispicable republicans and pathetic McCain and Pallin stories, they shouldn't be paying attention to jack! They obviously are in the bed with hypocrisy! The republicans have not morals or substance! What a sin and a shame!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 6:03 PM

Biden is such a phony..... Sheessh!

Next thing you know Biden is going to say something vulgar like "Sarah appears to be a loving mom."

You Liberals make me sick.

Posted by: :-( | September 2, 2008 5:57 PM


Wasn't McCain's inability to control 527 and other Internet sites given as the "reason" for Obama reneging on his promise to "aggressively pursue an agreement" on public financing? You can't have it both ways here.

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 5:55 PM

If reading Perez Hilton is making you more conservative, then the liberals don't need you! This is the same Perez Hilton that confirmed Fidel Castro was dead a short time before christmas. C'mon he draws coke lines on peoples pictures and you want Obama to even comment on him! Is Perez the official Obama gossip site. Wow we are a stupid country. sigh

Posted by: Kevin | September 2, 2008 5:49 PM

ljt1212 -

Oh my gosh...hilarious! The LEFT has gone too far? Too funny. That's right, Barack Obama is responsible for every website on the internet and everything on it and all of the comments people make..right. Really, how stupid are you?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:48 PM

Don't Read (obviously):

I am not related to Jake Byrd or Rush Limbaugh. Next "question"?

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 5:46 PM

Mike in Sac:

I'm retired, so I don't get paid in earthly treasure -- I simply enjoy pulling your chain -- maybe if I wasn't posting on 4 threads by myself, I'd have some more time to waste with you on the details of polling specifics. Suffice it to say, you won't like where the Obama-Biden ticket stands next week.

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 5:44 PM

What would you rather want to do? Make up stories like republicans do? Everyone knows republicans are always presenting less qualified as the most qualified, look at the last 25 years or so. So gone the McCain experience thing. How powerful are the right wings even for the press darling, maverick!!!!!!!

Posted by: dentalwellness | September 2, 2008 5:41 PM

The left has gone too far. I'm becoming more conservative by the day.

Read this nonsense:

Obama needs to come out AGAINST this type of disgusting slander if he wants my vote.

How can ANYONE defend this?

Mr. Perez Hilton is endorsing Obama. This is a very popular website.

I'm SURE Senator Obama is aware of this site. Why hasn't he condemned this type of campaigning? Could it be that he is pleased that Mr. Perez Hilton is endorsing him due to the traffic on this disgusting site?

Obama and Biden know of this site. It's part of their campaign.

Posted by: LJT1212 | September 2, 2008 5:41 PM

Re: JakeD

Mike in Sac:

Be sure to come back next week after the polling shows McCain in the lead.
That all you got? Wow, weak. Expected more firebreathing hatefulness, but then it is kind of hard to keep up. All the Muslim-baiting of the weak-minded.

At least you confess to being a paid hack. I knew it. Ha ha ha~! Can't get a real job? Life too hard in the real world?

Posted by: Mike in Sac | September 2, 2008 5:40 PM

The left has gone too far. I'm becoming more conservative by the day.

Read this nonsense:

Obama needs to come out AGAINST this type of disgusting slander if he wants my vote.

How can ANYONE defend this?

Mr. Perez Hilton is endorsing Obama. This is a very popular website.

I'm SURE Senator Obama is aware of this site. Why hasn't he condemned this type of campaigning? Could it be that he is pleased that Mr. Perez Hilton is endorsing him due to the traffic on this disgusting site?

Mr. Biden, if you don't like this type of campaigning, sent Mr. Perez Hilton a message.

I don't think you will, in fact, something tells me you support this type of speak.

Trust me, the PTA Moms are now paying very close attention... Thanks Sarah for inspiring us!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:39 PM

Would you rather want Bidden to make up stories as republicans do about others? We the voters are not stupid and republicans have a way of presenting under-qualified as most qualified, all one needs to do is to look at the last 25 yrs.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:38 PM

How could someone nominate ANYONE who has been a part of a political party that was pushing to become a part of Canada (No offense to Canadians)? Wouldn't she by default, have believed in that parties stance or at least enough to leave some question as to how patriotic SHE is? Pure Republican Hypocracy.

Posted by: e.l. lebadose | September 2, 2008 5:37 PM

The fact is Obama and Biden have behaved in a very dignified way with regards to this story and the selection of Palin. Any woman who looks at the issues and the actions of the candidates will see that the Obama/Biden ticket truly respects women. Hope the press does its homework on Palin as Mcain seems to have missed that critical step. Mcain's first choice that will impact his presidency and he panders to the right wing and makes a reckless choice for all americans - hardly a mavrick!

Posted by: staightalker | September 2, 2008 5:37 PM

It is simple really McCain picked his VP based on her sex alone. She's a woman and he's after all the female voters out there that voted for Hillary based on her sex. All those voters that now refuse to vote for Obama because a woman isn't the Democratic canidate.

I for one don't want to see another four years with (Bush-McCain in the office)and am willing to put my vote behind Obama to see that something changes.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:36 PM

Hey jakie are you related to Jake Byrd or the spewbate limbaugh 8 comments out of twenty sounds like you have a read me problem We have heard you ESAD

Posted by: Don't Read | September 2, 2008 5:34 PM

Obama and Biden..that's great. You did the right thing. I am strong supporter of McCain/Palin. yes...i am one of those Republican that never believe Obama is closet Muslim. That is nothing but fear mongering.

Posted by: discerner | September 2, 2008 5:33 PM

Biden has no choice but the high road here. He doesn't want anyone looking into his son Hunter and the accusations and fraud lawsuit filed against him. Notice how Hunter was not at the DNC? More than a little curious, wouldn't you say?

But if the media is so interested in vetting Sarah Plain through her daughter, why aren't they applying the same scrutiny to Joe and Hunter Biden?

Oh, I'm sure we'll see three front page NYT and Washington Post stories about that any day now, right?

Posted by: ep | September 2, 2008 5:32 PM

Dudes and Dudettes, You all watch too much TV. This is a presidential election. There is no 'my guy' 'your guy' thing!!?? This isn't a sporting event. These decisions affect the lives of people everywhere.

The reason you righties are in the gutter on this is because Hannity, Limbaugh, Bush, Cheney, Libby, Rove, Addington, Boehner, Gingrich, among others, put you there.

Enjoy the view, traitors.

Posted by: Cyrus Clarke | September 2, 2008 5:32 PM

Sarah Pallin belongs to a terrorist organization! Her church and religous views are those of a terrorist organization and her church is a cell of the terrorist organization. She is dumb and is making her poor uneducated 17 year redneck daughter who happens to be knocked up by a renowned "f(*&% redneck" the mockery of hypocrisy! She should be ashamed of herself. She has no experience and is an empty shell.

McCain only used her to tick off his base because they wouldn't allow him to pick Lieberman. Libermann told Joe Scarbourough this morning that the McCain camp didn't have enough time to vet Pallin. This was a wonderful kick in the old arse by McCain to his base...Now do we want him to have his finger on the red phone and someone p$sses him off? I think not...he will make drastic decisions without thinking them through. A VP is the first real judgment call that a Presidential candidate makes....what a bad choice...shows McGrumps lack of judgment.

Posted by: Lack of Judgment | September 2, 2008 5:31 PM

Judging by this pick I expect Brownie to be back as Secretary of Defense.

He's probably better than Rumsfeld anyway, I guess.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:31 PM


The other important issue here is judgement and decision making process McCain has. From all the information that has been coming out since he announced Palin as his VP is that it was not even his choice. He wanted Liberman and the religious right wing threatened him. How about his potential cabinet? Are they all going to be chosen by these same religious right? How about when it comes to other crucial decisions? All these are grave concerns about McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:30 PM

Hey....I would like for a race to be about issues for once as well....however, we the enlightned few, are not exactly the majority of voters. I'm just saying, give the people what they want.

Posted by: e.l. lebadose | September 2, 2008 5:29 PM

Of course Obama and Biden wants the children to be off limits.

Posted by: dan | September 2, 2008 5:29 PM


Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:29 PM

Of course in the meantime Joe bin Biden's lobbyist kids are knee deep in a hedgefund fraud. Will the Post touch it - not a chance.

Posted by: muskrat | September 2, 2008 5:29 PM

Jake D you are living in a fantasy world, just the facts please. Or excuse me, i forgot you like to be fed lies your voting for a party that has done nothing but lie to us for the past 8 years. Get a real LIFE!!!!!

Posted by: izzy | September 2, 2008 5:27 PM


Taking the McCain talking points already. Looks like you read Grahms interview. SEXISM, SEXISM.... They're SEXIST...

If McCain's ahead after the converntion, where it will "ot be about the issues," then you know the worlds coming to an end.


Posted by: BigB | September 2, 2008 5:24 PM

The plan McCain has in place is really quite brilliant when you think about it...In today's day and age,politicians, the media and society are tripping over themselves to be politically over coarse any sort of comment mad by Obama or Biden would be mis-interpeted as them being sexist.

If you are a public figure, your life will be subject to a certain amound for scrutiny. Other politians from the past have had their name dragged through the dirt. Sometimes for valid reasons, sometimes without. Why should she not undergo the same kind of personal bloodletting that everyone else has to go through. It may be cruel...but at least it's equality...PLUS, it makes for entertaining television! ;0)

Posted by: E.L. Lebadose | September 2, 2008 5:23 PM

Keep it up, fake JakeD. I get paid for every post, whether it's me or you ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 5:22 PM

I'm a loser.

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 5:18 PM

Mike in Sac:

Be sure to come back next week after the polling shows McCain in the lead.


You are aware that Joe Biden stayed in the U.S. Senate as a single parent, right? Don't you "worry" yourself about Trig Palin.

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 5:18 PM

JakeD = troll
get a life

Posted by: LOL | September 2, 2008 5:17 PM


Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:17 PM

That's right, wardropper -- no one here, or at DailyKos is commenting on Bristol Palin at all -- you and Obama-Junkie must be watching some election on a different planet.

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 5:16 PM

Hey JakeD,

Just to make you squirm in your chair. Make you have to cringe as your candidate squanders what little appeal he had.

Check out the latest polls. Obama is ahead in the polls. He got his bump oh and yeah the polls are in and Palin loses. Ha Ha what a joke for VP!!!!

Even conservatives are for him now:

Eat dust McCain because this is just the beginning.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | September 2, 2008 5:15 PM

Who cares about Palin?

The point is, McCain made his first "presidential" choice and botched it. If he wanted a woman, there were qualified women to choose from.

McCain's judgement and integrity are at question.

He was supposed to pick the best choice for America's VP, not a date to the prom.

McCain failed his first test.

Posted by: julieds | September 2, 2008 5:14 PM

JakeD:"Why is it now horrible for the presumptive Republican Vice Presidential nominee to have a family. JFK Jr. was born just a few weeks after the election in 1960."

None of those kids required special needs. Her child has a Downs Syndrome which is going to require special monitoring specially by the mother. Besides that, I don't think the issue here is about her daughter or her family for that matter. It's that fact that the right wing talking heads have been stumping for years about "family values". It was only couple of months ago that Rush Limbaugh and the rest were criticizing the values of the Spears' parents due to the pregnancy of their 16 year old daughter. So, let's not be selctive when pointing fingers because it says Hypocricy.

The other issue, and even more serious, is the fact that she was a memeber of the AIP for two years. The party wants, as part of its consitution, Alaskans to vote on the seccesion of Alaska. Basically, this woman did not, at a certain point, want to be recognized as an American. Does she still feel the same way? We need to ponder and find out as it is a very legitimate concern.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 2, 2008 5:14 PM

Of course he eschews negative Palin talk.
It's hardly necessary, is it?
The GOP is doing a simply splendid job all by itself.

Posted by: wardropper | September 2, 2008 5:12 PM

Stop trashing Palin! Just shut up! If she gets too bloodied from all this she will leave the ticket, at which point McCain will select someone with real experience; in one fell swope McCain will regain trust, AND get lots of sympathy. McCain/Palin is a loser ticket, so, please, leave them alone!

Posted by: Baz | September 2, 2008 5:10 PM

JakeD is correct that the Palin pick was an effective move in shutting off the media spotlight that had been on Obama & the Dem convention. However, it is a bit premature to argue that this has turned out as a net positive for the McCain-Palin campaign. Whether the McCain team did their vetting work or not, they have done an abysmal job of rolling out Gov Palin as a candidate. Rather than heading off the potential negatives - the AK legislature's investigation into the trooper thing, the pregnant daughter, the flip-flop on earmarks & lobbying - they've let the media and/or bloggers discover all these potential landmines. They should be focusing on their convention & crafting the message they want voters to get this week. Instead, they're doing damage control. Not a good start to the convention week.

postscript - upon being asked whether all the negatives they claimed to have discovered during vetting had now been publicized, a McCain spokesman said "I think so." Do they know what's in the closet, or not?

Posted by: bsimon | September 2, 2008 5:09 PM

Of course Biden and Obama are going to "take the high road" when they have the entire mainstream media doing their dirty work. Palin's daughter should be left alone in all of this. By the way, what was Obama up to when he was 17? Oh, right, he was drunk and high all the time. Awesome.

Posted by: D | September 2, 2008 5:08 PM

Sara Palin wants public schools to teach about HER god, (I do state it as her god because it is not mine) I cannot ever vote for someone who wants to dumb down my children. If she wants to believe the world is 6000 years old she can. That is not a quality i want in my leader. She want to teach our kids that there is no point in Astronomy/ Evolution/ A-Biogenesis/ looking for life on other planets, pretty much all science , all we need to know is god did it all!

Posted by: Creamsykle | September 2, 2008 5:06 PM

Why didn't McCain get Palin checked out better first? Is his staff aware that myspace exists? I was thinking of voting for McCain, but now I doubt it....

Posted by: Doris | September 2, 2008 5:03 PM


"Wrong type of news cycle coverage"?! Which election are you watching? Did you not see Obama's Thursday evening speech coverage STOPPED in its tracks Friday morning? McCain is going to come out of the GOP Convention with a clear lead in the national polls -- what is your guy going to do?

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 4:48 PM

In addition, McCain is stuck with Palin for better or worse. Palin is getting all the wrong type of news cycle coverage. Once her own radical extreme-right views get more and more national attention, McCain will see his support among Independents drop.

If Palin resigns (regardless if it is not due to McCain camp pressure), the conservative base of the party will be crushed.

Either way McCain's judgement is once again called into question and we are only 9 days away from acknowledging the 7th anniversary of 9/11. I can't wait to see what comes out of McCain and Palin's mouths when challenged by Obama and Biden on the strength of Al-Qaeda and how we allowed Bin Laden to get away!

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 2, 2008 4:43 PM

P.S. to Tom:

Perhaps you missed the memo from Obama / Biden that Bristol Palin is off-limits?

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 4:41 PM

Why was there no "questioning" whether its a good idea to pursue such a high profile job when Biden's wife died in that car accident? You really want be to "quote" Daily Kos bile here?

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 4:40 PM

This is all the Obama team can do right now. They don't want to come across as being indifferent to the story or certainly not pushing the story.

Posted by: matt | September 2, 2008 4:39 PM

another good one. just for my own education, would you mind providing a link to the story about the democrats saying its horrible that palin has a family? i would like to read that one. the only articles about her family i see are questioning whether its a good idea to pursue such a high profile job with a 5 month old special needs child and exposing her pregnant daughter to this type of scrutiny. i sure would like to read what you are referring to.

Posted by: JakeD on a Roll | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM

I just viewed pictures of Palin's daughter holding beers, a half gallon of rum and "kissing" a girl. I don't think anyone has to say anything...the whole mess speaks for itself. Too bad millions of dollars will be wasted on politics when the race is over. We could use the money to put people to work and rebuilding the U.S. infrastructure. Yes, the money will come from ending the stupid war.

Posted by: Tom | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM

Poor JakeyD...there is more to come on Sarah Palin and company.

The McCain campaign is so jumpy right now, there are trying to head off internet rumors that Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP). Yep, very same AIP that wanted to succeed from the United States and refers to themselves as Alaskans, not Americans. Talk about being un-American!

Palin is turning out to be an excellent choice for Obama...oops I mean McCain. The talk of inexperience has lost its luster from the McCain camp and other GOP political pundits. And now, the issue of patriotism will lose its luster from the McCain camp and other GOP political pundits.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 2, 2008 4:36 PM

i wonder when the right wing will discover blogs, radio shows and tv networks to do their dirty work. good thing they are above all of this.

Posted by: Great point JakeD | September 2, 2008 4:33 PM

In addition, no one on the left complained about Biden being a Senator and SINGLE dad being able to take care of his family. Why is it now horrible for the presumptive Republican Vice Presidential nominee to have a family. JFK Jr. was born just a few weeks after the election in 1960.

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 4:32 PM

Despite the Obama campaign's initial "hair-trigger" reaction, neither Biden nor Obama have to do this dirty work since they have MoveOn and Daily Kos ...

Posted by: JakeD | September 2, 2008 4:24 PM

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