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Biden's Vote Total? Higher Than Palin's

By Juliet Eilperin
ST. PAUL -- Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee got a big laugh from the crowd at tonight's convention when he said that as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin outpolled her Democratic counterpart, Joseph Biden.

"She got more votes running for mayor of the town of Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States," Huckabee declared, sparking applause.

There's just one problem with Huckabee's statement: it's not true. Biden collected a total of 63,157 votes during the Democratic primaries and caucuses this year. By contrast, Wasilla boasts a population of 9,780.

Running statewide, Biden still comes out on top. Palin got the backing of 114,697 Alaskans in her 2006 gubernatorial bid, compared to the 135,253 votes Biden got in his 2002 Senate race.

Posted at 10:54 PM ET on Sep 3, 2008  | Category:  Barack Obama
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Too bad O'Reilly, Mr. No-spin zone allows people to come on the show repeating that line by Huckabee when it has already been discredited.

Posted by: Dan | September 9, 2008 2:53 PM

Just heard this blatant lie on the O'Reilly show, and Bill did absolutely nothing to correct it. Just goes to show you, if you tell a lie often enough, people start believing it.

Posted by: T. | September 8, 2008 8:47 PM

I hate to tell you nay-sayers, but I believe in Creationism also. And I have a BS and MS in geology (BYU) and a BS and ME in mining engineering (UofU). There is nothing more amazing than people believing blindly in a theology that man basically crawled out from under a rock, for if you belive in nominal evolution, that's what you "bugs" believe in. Sorry, that just doesn't cut it. There's a lot more out there than a geneology from a bug (or less--a virus).

Posted by: Rockyspoon | September 7, 2008 12:23 AM

I am happy to take the two seconds to do your research for you. Google is great; try it.

What Biden has done - from wikipedia, which is not foolproof but decent.

Biden has been involved in crafting many federal crime laws over the last decade, including the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, also known as the Biden Crime Law, and the landmark Violence Against Women Act of 1994 (VAWA), which contains a broad array of measures to combat domestic violence and provides billions of dollars in federal funds to address gender-based crimes.

... As chairman of the International Narcotics Control Caucus, Biden wrote the laws that created the U.S. "Drug Czar", who oversees and coordinates national drug control policy. In April 2003 he introduced the controversial Reducing Americans' Vulnerability to Ecstasy Act, also known as the RAVE Act. He continues to work to stop the spread of "date rape drugs" such as Rohypnol, and drugs such as Ecstasy and Ketamine. In 2004 he worked to pass a bill outlawing steroids like androstenedione, the drug used by many baseball players.[20]

...His efforts to combat hostilities in the Balkans in the 1990s brought national attention and influenced presidential policy: traveling repeatedly to the region, he made one meeting famous by calling Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic a "war criminal." He consistently argued for lifting the arms embargo, training Bosnian Muslims, investigating war crimes and administering NATO air strikes. Biden's subsequent "lift and strike" resolution was instrumental in convincing President Bill Clinton to use military force in the face of systematic human rights violations.

Also, looking at the Washington Post's own page on Joe Biden, , I see that he has written 9 books and is an adjunct professor at the Widener School of Law. To me, this indicates that he is likely somewhat bright, or at least a very hard worker. Clearly, for some people, this smart side of him means he is not the Veep candidate for you. Personally, I want a smart person, or at least someone who is *trying* to be intelligent and hard working. I don't want someone who's not very smart to run the country. That does not work well, as evidenced by our economy which is tanking after 8 years of Republican administration, 5 of which had a Rep majority in Congress and the last 3 did not have Dems with a veto-proof majority, so they were still stuck with Rep Pres veto.

Also, I admire that he succeeded in life despite having his much-loved wife and daughter killed in a truck crash. His two boys were injured in that accident. He was sworn in at their hospital bedsides because he refused to leave them. Then he took the train home, every night to be with his two boys -- from DC to Delaware; one heck of a commute. Now THAT's family values, folks.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 6, 2008 4:56 PM


Huckabee told conventioneers and TV viewers that Palin got more votes when she ran for mayor of Wasilla than Biden did running for president. Not even close.

The tally: Biden, 79,754, despite withdrawing from the race after the Iowa caucuses.
Palin, 909 in her 1999 race, 651 in 1996.

Posted by: Julia | September 6, 2008 4:24 PM

Biden is invisible now a days in the media :) Good for him.. All his lies will comeout otherwise.

by the way What has biden done for America?
What is his service record?
We know that his childern are under investigation for Fraud

Posted by: Anonymous | September 6, 2008 12:22 PM

Less than 200,000 people have ever voted for her to do anything poeple!?!?! How stupid could you be? She is not even qualified to be a teacher!! Went to like 5 (or is it 6) colleges over the span of 6 years? Believes in creationism? Denies global warming is man-made even though she's in one of the coldest places on earth and they are surely feeling increasing effects of climate change??Involved in seccession movements in oil-rich Alaska?

Posted by: Stew118 | September 6, 2008 11:18 AM

"She got more votes running for mayor of the town of Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States,"

Joe Biden participated in the Iowa Caucus on Jan 3, where he got 2328 votes. He dropped out of the race on Jan 4 and was therefore no longer running for President...

Posted by: Chip | September 5, 2008 11:08 AM

Attacks on policy and record are legitimate but running ads that lie about the opponent are NOT! Do we want another eight years of the same? McCain has run an ad stating Obama will raise taxes. A LIE! In his latest ad, he states Obama represents big oil. OUTRAGEOUS LIE! IMO the Republican National Convention now represents a party that has changed so drastically multitudes of their own members are leaving in droves.

Posted by: Sarah McDonald | September 4, 2008 6:49 PM

My God it is so much fun watching the looney left hit the panic button so early. Now practice with me looney left....President McCain.....Vice President Palin....there...I knew you could do it!!!!!!!

Posted by: Scott | September 4, 2008 5:33 PM

Despite multiple attempts, Sarah Palin has received ZERO votes for President of the Alaska.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 4:28 PM

Palin = another corrupt Republican extremist.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 4:27 PM

The GOP doesn't tell the truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 4:25 PM

I can't stand the way Repugs will lie straight-faced to the camera. And Huckabee is a typical Republican minister.
Wow, their followers must be real sheeple to swallow that bull without checking facts. I could almost hear them "chanting""baa-baa-baa...".

Posted by: Brianna | September 4, 2008 3:45 PM

And you think making this point reflects well on Biden? Please, please, please keep the spotlight on this issue.


McCain/Palin '08

Posted by: with_friends_like_this | September 4, 2008 3:08 PM

Did you just trash the entire eskimo culture???

Posted by: RU Racist? | September 4, 2008 2:35 PM

so yesterday the washigton post screwed up the facts and today they corrected it by correctly picking apart Palin's scam of a speech.

Poetic Justice.

You have to admit without Sarah Palin's white eskimo trash background, the RNC was looking more like a funeral wake than a rally.

The national enquirer is doing a story about her affair with her husband's business partner.

This will be good

Posted by: jeff brown sucks donkey | September 4, 2008 12:13 PM

Sorry... Dem candidate!!!

Posted by: Joslyn | September 4, 2008 12:07 PM

P.S. to Chip: good point!!!

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2008 11:42 AM

MARCY, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, LEFTY! You said that Sarah Palin has no education? Couldn't you have done just a little research before making this claim. In 1987 she received a Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho, she also has a minor in political science. I think someone is getting a little worried!

Posted by: Tanya | September 4, 2008 11:42 AM


Despite multiple attempts, Joe Biden has received ZERO votes for President of the United States.

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2008 11:41 AM

This article states incorrect statistics as it claims were stated in speeches. How can you count votes that were made in states after he withdrew from the race??? He only ran - for republican candidate not president - in Iowa and then pulled himself from the race. He did not get 63000 votes in the single primary that he ran in - as this article misrepresents as fact!!!

Posted by: Joslyn | September 4, 2008 11:37 AM

Oh no, someone told a joke that was funny because it is entirely plausible! Now we've got the Obamaphiles saying, no no, Biden is a tremendous loser, not a super tremendous loser.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:25 AM

palin was terrific and has more going for her than the elitiest obama ever will. I'm a democrat voting republican this year. dems just like giving money away and the next 4 years won't be any different - except you will be paying the tab. GO PALIN!!

Posted by: lisa | September 4, 2008 11:22 AM

Note to the humorless: The difference between a Hockey Mom and a pit bull is more than I guess she lied!

Posted by: Chip | September 4, 2008 10:00 AM

Hey vicbennettnet the only place the republicans hold power is in the white house and he doesnt even have a vote on the floor of either body. HMMM guess the Dems havent done anything about the issues either but keep bills from being voted on. And Reid and Pelosi controls that not GWB so you need to take a Government class to get your Dem facts straight

Posted by: Jeff Brown | September 4, 2008 9:48 AM

Hey vicbennettnet the only place the republicans hold power is in the white house and he doesnt even have a vote on the floor of either body. HMMM guess the Dems havent done anything about the issues either but keep bills from being voted on. And Reid and Pelosi controls that not GWB so you need to take a Government class to get your Dem facts straight

Posted by: Jeff Brown | September 4, 2008 9:48 AM

Hey vicbennettnet the only place the republicans hold power is in the white house and he doesnt even have a vote on the floor of either body. HMMM guess the Dems havent done anything about the issues either but keep bills from being voted on. And Reid and Pelosi controls that not GWB so you need to take a Government class to get your Dem facts straight

Posted by: Jeff Brown | September 4, 2008 9:48 AM

Hey vicbennettnet the only place the republicans hold power is in the white house and he doesnt even have a vote on the floor of either body. HMMM guess the Dems havent done anything about the issues either but keep bills from being voted on. And Reid and Pelosi controls that not GWB so you need to take a Government class to get your Dem facts straight

Posted by: Jeff Brown | September 4, 2008 9:48 AM

You let someone use Jesus Christ in a derogatory fashion, follow your own full rules please. Bet this does not get posted Ha Ha

Posted by: Jeff Brown | September 4, 2008 9:42 AM

Hawkfeather if you got your info from Huffington, wow you might as well call Bin Laden for your facts wow

Posted by: jeff brown | September 4, 2008 9:40 AM

After a torrid 8 years of losing jobs and seeing costs around me rise, I for one don't think that running or voting for the office of the President of the United States is a joke. If Huckerby or Palin think it's funny, then it shows just how much out of touch they really are. I used to have a lot of faith in John McCain and would have voted for him, but, he is trying to use George Bush tactics to get elected rather than be the maverick that a lot of us liked and respected. Sad.

Posted by: Al | September 4, 2008 9:39 AM

Takes a real man or woman to put ANNONYMOUS takes someone who needs to be heard to say who they are. Get a backbone get a real name

Posted by: Jeff Brown | September 4, 2008 9:37 AM

hey! Looklikeamerica you must have been watching the coverage from MSNBC that slanted to the left always media. My local station did well to show the diversity. Lations for McCain Several black veterans were there. I saw several of Asian decent. Guess its where your eyes were focused. Maybe from racist eyes?
Or just another uninformed Democrat?

Posted by: Jeff Brown | September 4, 2008 9:30 AM

Unfortunately, mis-representation of facts has become a Republican Party staple. When Huckabee made the statement comparing Palin and Biden vote totals I knew he was lying based on the internet research I did prior yesterday before Huckabee's speech.

When Palin won the mayor race of Wasilla it was with a total voter turnout of 1233 in which she got 909 votes based on a total population about 5000 at the time.

The additional information from Juliet Eilperin on Palin's 2006 Gubernatorial vote total compared to Biden's senatorial race vote total just reinforces that people in the McCain campaign will say and do anything to win the election.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 4, 2008 9:24 AM

OMG, it was a joke.

And an effective one, at that.

Posted by: JR | September 4, 2008 8:46 AM

Let us see what it takes to become a governor. We have a body builder as a governor in California. We had a professional wrestler Jesse Ventura as a governor in Minnesota. And we have ms congeniality as governor of Alaska. Other than the ms congeniality degree does she have any formal education past high school with a degree from an acredited university? Any law degree, any degree associated with the study of our constitution, any papers published, any quotes attributed to her, or any studies done about her work? I guess the word NADA will be the answer.

Posted by: Marcy | September 4, 2008 8:30 AM

I watched both Biden and Palin give their speeches. Palin is definitely easier on the eyes compared to Biden. I would stand next to and very very close to Palin whether it be the front, back or sides any day as McCain has tried to do himself. Her voice is soothing unlike that of Hillary. She dresses like a model. Hillary looked awful in her pantsuits and we realized that her sense of change is only in the color of her pantsuits. So we saw a million shades of pant suits during the primary season. Palin on the other hand has a nice body and she is not afraid to wear a dress (with or without the pants) that shows it off. I just hope we see more of Palin on TV in the next few months, because after that she is history unless she becomes a talk show host like Tyra. A veep job is for somebody who sits in a secluded office underground in the white house. What Palin needs is a job that will showcase her vavoom front as well as her god blessed deriere that McCain can't take his eyes off. But as for the veep job Biden fits the bill.

All the women are going to say, these comments are very sexist. But I carefully studied her speech which of course was written by somebody else and proofread a thousand times by the close aides of McCain before she gave the speech. So that really did not show what she is capable of or not capable of. So I looked at the visual aspect of things. And I saw beauty that is soothing to the eyes.

If McCain can make a decision based on her credential as Ms.congeniality what is wrong in talking about her beauty. We just didn't have this opportunity with Hillary.

Well for the veep post Biden fits the bill. But for a moose hunt I will go with Palin any day.

Posted by: Kevin Lear | September 4, 2008 8:11 AM

Huckabee is right. Those votes for Biden were for the Democratic Nomination, not President! Duh!

Posted by: Mike | September 4, 2008 7:11 AM

Ahhhh, poor babies...

The liberals, and I obviously include the writer of this silly article are sounding really desperate.

Go ahead and focus on something trival, a joke basically, while Palin shows she can fight despite the elitist onslaught against her.

Go ahead and work in the Nazis, and every other tired cliche you can, because the GOP stirs up for some reason, your huge, and I mean HUGE Daddy Issues.

Posted by: TiminPhx | September 4, 2008 6:23 AM

These republicans simply have nothing to offer the American people so they resort to what they do best......... TELL LIES.

Posted by: John McWise | September 4, 2008 5:52 AM

Where exactly did you get your facts? (Don't you know you're supposed to cite your sources?) Biden got 1% of the vote in Iowa and then dropped out.

Posted by: Huh? | September 4, 2008 3:29 AM

That was a lie?
I can't believe it. Next thing you're going to tell me is Obama's not a Muslim.

Posted by: Bill Wilkenson | September 4, 2008 3:23 AM

The AP has already combed through Palin's speech for lies. They have the facts and by this morning, the truth will be in most newspapers and news websites.

Posted by: Joyce | September 4, 2008 2:57 AM

In the primaries how many votes did Biden get from the city of Wascilla, AK? From the state of Alaska? Maybe that's a better comparison.

Also, it seems like some of you didn't even watch the Democratic Convention, yet are complaining about "lies" in this one. Having watched both it seems to me both parties are equally on attack. If you think the conventions are bad - get ready for the next 2 months.

Posted by: RonR | September 4, 2008 2:51 AM

Mr Schmit, Mr Rove and Senator McCain don't worry about the Obama/Biden response to Gov. Sarah Palin's speech at the Republican convention

The Republican's problem is Jon Stewart and Steve Colbert on the Sarah Palin Choice!

Please go easy with your attacks on Jon and Steve they have millions of fans.

Join Americans who put their country first!

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Obamacan Woman | September 4, 2008 2:49 AM

Republicans tell a lie???? No, I can't believe that! They are God's party, they don't lie!

Posted by: Don | September 4, 2008 2:42 AM

Good grief. Are REALLY attempting to count up the vote totals used a basis for a JOKE?! It really is true. Liberals do not have a sense of humor.

It's embarrassing that you would even have to compare the vote totals of a presidential candidate to a governor. . .

Posted by: Rudy | September 4, 2008 2:22 AM

I found it amazing to see so much B.S., so much misinformation, so many lies, and so many delusional people assembled in one place. Huckabee's speech demonstrates why he lost the primary: He's shallow.

Posted by: FedUp | September 4, 2008 2:17 AM

"I only count biden's votes while he was still running...he got 2,328 in Iowa and quit."

He didn't get 2328 votes. I believe that's delegates. Iowa does not release official vote totals from the caucuses, only delegate totals. He likely got between 3000 and 4000 actual votes. Either way, Palin only got 1100 votes to become mayor of Wasilla.

The math is not the republicans' favor, no matter how its attempted to be sliced.

Posted by: Scott from Iowa | September 4, 2008 2:17 AM

"Then Huckabee must have made a mis-speak, saying "the town of Alaska" instead of "the state of Alaska."

By your vote count:
114,697 for Palin for Governor
63,157 for Biden for President"

Biden still got more votes for SENATE than she did for governor AND mayor. Huckabee's argument was made up to get a cheer, which it did, but this is just another example of getting the cheer without actual substance.

Posted by: Scott from Iowa | September 4, 2008 2:14 AM

Huckabee was not joking. I knew that it would try to be played off as a joke, but he was seriously trying to attack Obama/Biden experience. He did it with a straight face, and did it intentionally.

Tonight officially ended the last 10 years of being an independent centrist. I've never called myself a democrat, I even voted Bush twice. Unfortunately being a "centrist" implies that I agree with the republican party about half of the time. That is no longer the case.

Politics of yester-year, soon to end!

Posted by: Scott from Iowa | September 4, 2008 2:12 AM

D. Baldwin wrote "I have voted republican for the last 4 elections but after hearing the vicious lies of Romney, Guiliani and now Sad Sarah I am not throwing my vote in the republican gutter any more."

Come on now. Do you really expect anybody with even the least bit of sense to believe that? Get back to the seminar and learn a different deceptive technique. This one is too easy to spot.

Posted by: CuriousJack | September 4, 2008 2:05 AM

Dismal minded libs can't take a joke.
There were tens of millions of vote cast in the Democrat primaries and Biden only got 63000. Any way you look at it that "ain't much"!!!!!
The Republican convention was fun. The doomsayers are depressing.

Posted by: Kara | September 4, 2008 1:47 AM

The Huck haters just don't get it....Huck was making a joke...his point was that Biden got nowhere running for president...and to me, I only count biden's votes while he was still running...he got 2,328 in Iowa and quit.

Huck 2012..or 2016

Posted by: Larry | September 4, 2008 1:47 AM

You know, the dems keep cryin that Palin isn't qualified should John McCain die...please. First of all this pathetic age discrimination is crazy. people should be outraged at these comments. I mean, wouldn't the Obama people be screaming if lets say we started talking about the possibility of Obama being assasinated cause he is black and lets face it, there are alot of people who don't want a black president? Biden shouldn't be talking about taking Obama's job before Obama even has it himself, it just shows hes more power hungry and believes he is better qualified than Obama.
The American people are gonna choose the next president and the American people already had their say on Biden: hes not good enough to be number two or to take the place of the number one - if we had he would have been the last one of the two standing. Instead his pathetic attempt at the presidency was short lived and embarrassing. Hilary was the second choice and should've been Obama's vp.
Palin is smart, tough, capable and beautiful and there is no doubt, if she had been running for president like Biden, she would have left him in the dust, patting down his fake hair and blabbing away sticking his foot in his mouth as usual. Palin, you were awesome tonight and Biden is probably peeing his pants right now.

Posted by: conservativelatino | September 4, 2008 1:37 AM

Hey; maybe Juliet can take the joke to the Supreme Court to see if it was counted accurately!

In addition to some of their other flaws, it seems way too many liberals have zero sense of humor.

Posted by: Peg | September 4, 2008 1:30 AM

Wonderful speech by both Governors Huckabee and Palin. Funny as it is that they are whining about his joke, it's just hilarious that they are whining that she is not a wimp.

Posted by: Mark | September 4, 2008 1:21 AM

Juliets stern rebuke about Hucks joke is almost as funny as the joke. You do notice however that in a nation wide presidential primary Biden got only half the votes than Palin got running for in a single state. Ouch.

Posted by: me | September 4, 2008 1:12 AM

McCain made a great selection with Gov. Palin. She made an awesome speech.

(Oh, and that's really funny you're doing fact-finding on a joke. Geez, lighten up will ya.)

Posted by: McCain/Palin | September 4, 2008 1:10 AM

I've tried to be a loyal democrat for many years now but the way that the Democratic Party has tried to destroy Ms. Palin I have to finally stand up and say "enough". "Have you no shame?" What have we come to in this great county.

Posted by: es-democrat | September 4, 2008 1:07 AM

The Republicans, and cynical Democrats--or what Obama et al. call practitioners of the old divisive politics--basically use a variant of the P.T. Barnum story: Say it enough times, and people begin to believe it, even when it's been struck down by facts that same day in print. Whether it's coming out against a bridge to nowhere or that people fare worse under the Obama tax plan, these folks have it down to an art form.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 1:02 AM

Sarah was great tonight!! She exceeded all my expectations. Liberals are deeply depressed now so it is obvious that the hate will really seep out of their pores. You liberals should have stuck with Hillary, to late, to bad, to sad, I'm glad. Barack Hussein is the affirmative action candidate community organizer. All that dude has done is write two books about himself. Wow, what an accomplishment!! When he tries to answer (without the teleprompter) he stammers with ah, hum, oh, you know, ahh, 0hh, Its pathetic. Oh by the way Obama we have 50 states, not 57. Somebody should tell him.


Posted by: Colorado | September 4, 2008 1:01 AM

I think the point Huck was trying to make is just that Biden is basically a pathetic loser with hairplugs...and he made it well.

Posted by: Jorge | September 4, 2008 12:58 AM

As a life-long Republican voter (since Reagan in '84), I'm ashamed at how easily McCain -- once a man of principle -- has allowed his campaign to sink. The more the GOP takes the low road, the more they are going to alienate thoughtful voters. They have lost mine this year.

Posted by: ex-republican | September 4, 2008 12:52 AM

Palin did deliver her speech well. She has good elocution and timing. Of course, she didn't write it.

The Democrats should not underestimate her. She is open to attack because of her extreme social conservative positions on issues, but not for being a mother and seeking high office.

I haven't seen many comments about Todd Palin's Eskimo ancestry. Of course he's not the candidate, but that should take race 'off the table' in this campaign for good.

Posted by: oldhonky | September 4, 2008 12:48 AM

Sarah Palin is so impressive. She actually is that whistle-blower, that reformer that we wish our politicians would be. What a great VP nominee and all-around great lady.

Having said that, Huck should be more careful with his facts. Sarah's resume and abilities speak for themselves.

Posted by: Joe | September 4, 2008 12:45 AM

Wow, they lied. What a surprise. From the people who told us there were WMDs in Iraq? Who'd a thunk it?

Posted by: gschwartz | September 4, 2008 12:43 AM

Those unfamiliar with the history of American politics will be shocked at such terse rhetoric coming from a convention podium. Why I heard some at the Dem's convention just last week. In any case I don't think Gov. Palin's detractors would be pleased with anything she would have said. This is a fight and she's a fighter. I will support her and McCain and will help them to victory. They speak for me.

Posted by: A US voter | September 4, 2008 12:43 AM

Hey, Chris W. What exactly is your problem with fact-finding? You say it was a Huckabee joke? I wonder how you'd feel if someone made a "joke" about you on national television that happened to be a lie. Anyway, it didn't sound like a joke to me, it sounded like a claim of Palin's numerical superiority and in a political campaign, if it ain't true, then it's a lie. And that's okay with you?

Posted by: JimBob | September 4, 2008 12:42 AM

Wow,,,,,keep it ups libs. Keep showing the world what you're really like. Keep showing everyone what hate-filled, ignorant, uninformed,lying little twits you are. Keep it up! You're doing great! You're going to get McCain elected for us! Thanks!!

Posted by: ann | September 4, 2008 12:40 AM

You missed the point. The primaries don't count. If you add the genderal election votes (write-in), then the stat was correct.

Posted by: Derek | September 4, 2008 12:40 AM


Obama / Biden:

The least qualified Presidential Ticket in American History!
ZERO combined Executive Experience
ZERO combined Military Experience
ZERO combined Business Experience

Posted by: Steve | September 4, 2008 12:40 AM

"There's just one problem with Huckabee's statement: it's not true."

Wow, fact-finding on Mike Huckabee's *jokes* now??? That's even funnier than the joke itself!

I'm starting to smell something from the liberal MSM, and it smells like...desperation.

Posted by: ChrisW | September 4, 2008 12:37 AM

ROFL too funny

Posted by: Kaylee | September 4, 2008 12:37 AM

Palin did a great job. However I think the "community organizer" jabs are going to come right back. Palin getting picked is a direct result of Hillary not being picked for the dems. I think everyone will agree that Hillary would mop the floor with Palin. I was a Hillary supporter and am now an Obama supporter. Any real Hillary supporter will do the same if you care about issues. However I fear many women will vote for her just for the sake of voting for a woman after feeling left behind in the primaries. WAKE UP HILLARY SUPPORTERS!!! LOOK AT THE ISSUES!!

Posted by: C.J. Clover | September 4, 2008 12:36 AM

If Palin is a pit bull, by her own admission, McCain seems more like a short-haired terrier.

Posted by: patr2 | September 4, 2008 12:35 AM

Obama should have picked Hillary Clinton As VP.

Democrats and Independents will vote for MCCAIN/PALIN 2008.

Republicans are energized by the first woman VP and so is the rest of America. We are watching history in the making for women everywhere.

Posted by: Grace | September 4, 2008 12:32 AM

But the hits keep coming. The National Enquirer, which was lauded by the rightwingnuts for their Edwards reporting, has just published an article about an alleged affair of Sarah Palin, with more details supposedly coming next weeks. My, my, my. What's good for the goose...

Posted by: New Boston Yankee | September 4, 2008 12:31 AM

Anyone notice the severe lack of minorities at the RNC? Why do they not look like the diversity of America?

Posted by: looklikeamerica_not | September 4, 2008 12:16 AM

Actually I saw one guy who appeared to be of Indian origin. He definitely stood out in the crowd. He looked hopelessly lost, in my opinion.

Posted by: SJ | September 4, 2008 12:28 AM

Haha now Palin has her own problems with her crazy hometown church.

Jewish people beware of Palin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 12:27 AM

good grief the anger on the democrat side.. me thinks they are worried

Posted by: Kaylee | September 4, 2008 12:25 AM

Rudy Giuliani needs to be slapped. What a lying, sleazy bag of desperate Republican filth.

Posted by: Tom | September 4, 2008 12:23 AM

The reference was a dig at Democratic spokesmen for ignoring Palin's subsequent service as chair of the state oil and gas commission and governor. They continue pretending she is still a "podunk" mayor. Apparently they feel Alaska is just an iceberg ("13 people and a herd of Caribou" according to one Obama hand) that would amount to little more than a town anywhere else.

It's a "town" that happens to be 300 times the size of Joe Biden's Delaware.

The fact Palin could poll more votes in the fourth-smallest state (by population) than Biden could muster in 50 states IS rather telling.

Of course, he got no votes in his first race for the White House, having dropped out for plagiarizing speeches and papers and lying about his academic record.

Posted by: Threedy | September 4, 2008 12:22 AM

for the people who keep saying how white the republican party is...duh. look how white all power structures in the usa are. this is the first and only time any party has had a black at the top of the ticket, so the dems shouldnt be too excited. blacks are only with the dems at this point in history. we used to be with the repubs. anywhere that works...

ps: notice how the dem ticket is all-male? pity - given a powerful woman got 18 million votes. obama said she lacked judgment because she voted for the war, but he picks biden - who voted for the war. oh, and biden also voted for nafta and the bankruptcy bill. obama will say and do anything to get elected

Posted by: angry democrat | September 4, 2008 12:20 AM

I must not be "most" Republicans becasue I sure as hell am not dumb. I also know a winner when I see one. Better bring your "A" game oh Annointed One.

Posted by: Rick | September 4, 2008 12:19 AM

Anyone notice the severe lack of minorities at the RNC? Why do they not look like the diversity of America?

Posted by: looklikeamerica_not | September 4, 2008 12:16 AM

Didn't 9/11 happen on a Republican president's watch, a president who was given a briefing that said "Bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S."? How do the Republicans claim to be the party of national security? The same president said nobody predicted the failure of the levees in New Orleans. Not true at all. Wars, inflation, joblessness (I'm laid off from mine). I've had enough of the Grand Old Phonies.

Posted by: Fred | September 4, 2008 12:16 AM

Sarah Palin is a liar and a fraud and she will be exposed. We will not be swiftboated by this degenerate politician who can't even get her facts straight. She doesn't hold a candle to Hillary Clinton and is being used like the pitbull that she is.

Posted by: ArizonaDem | September 4, 2008 12:14 AM

so biden got fewer votes running for prez -- in all states - than she got running for governor. ok. thanks for the correction. that really makes biden look so much!!!

Posted by: angry democrat | September 4, 2008 12:13 AM

BTW, I particularly cherish the continued mysogany of the Obamties. Hillary Clinton's supporters continue to see a world where only the right men get to be in the club.

Posted by: Fivo | September 4, 2008 12:13 AM

BluGrass' comments amuse me. Having grown up in Memphis attending Frayser High School where more than half the students were in welfare families, I can attest that Memphis had a huge share of welfare recipients.

Posted by: Fivo | September 4, 2008 12:10 AM

Never let the truth get in the way of the Big Lie.

That's the America-hating Republican way.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | September 4, 2008 12:10 AM

I have voted republican for the last 4 elections but after hearing the vicious lies of Romney, Guiliani and now Sad Sarah I am not throwing my vote in the republican gutter any more.

Posted by: D Baldwin | September 4, 2008 12:08 AM

She seemed like your typical party hack adept at spouting conservative talking points.
Republicans have had control of the White House and Congress for a long time. And now McCain is going to reform the GOP? In your dreams.

Posted by: Independent | September 4, 2008 12:07 AM

Does it matter? You are looking at Sarah Palin, the first woman vice-president of the United States. She slam-dunked the speech and made Obama look like an elitist fool. She is a pit bull with lipstick. This was one of the best speeches of all time and I can't wait until the debate when she makes Biden into moose stew.

Posted by: FRS | September 4, 2008 12:03 AM

Wow even that little weasel Paul Begala is calling out Huckabee and he's right, thats just sad. Paul Begala is such a loser and thats why him calling out Huckaboom is even Sadder.

Posted by: Patrick | September 4, 2008 12:01 AM

Juliet, where does the Post find political writers as stupid as you? Harvard?

114,697 votes for the Governor, and 63,157 for the Presidential primary aspirations of Greasy Joe. Aside from the fact that the statement was a joke, it's also true.

If you can't read or write, and you can't do basic arithmetic, what exactly do you do?

Posted by: Jaibones | September 3, 2008 11:59 PM

This rep conventions remenber me the times of the propaganda ministers of Adolf Hitler whom always said: Lie, Lie, Lie , always Lie,,,,,,,after many times you lie people believe in the Lies....We are having lies for the last eight years, with a fraudulent election with the blessing of the Supreme's.......Every thing is Vanity, fraud, stealing, money,sex,homosexual and lesbian and asking for blessing to their father "Satan the Devil" Soon will be destroy not by me but by Jesus and the True God.

Posted by: Alex | September 3, 2008 11:57 PM

I was undecided before tonight, but there is just no way I could vote to put that Palin woman anywhere near the White House, let alone a heartbeat away from being President of the United States. I sort of knew she was spectacularly unqualified, but I thought tonight she might show me something to make up for that. But all she showed is that she is an old-school GOP politician in the Bush-Rove mold with no new ideas but plenty of old digs. Barack, you've got my vote now.

Posted by: merryjoe | September 3, 2008 11:56 PM

I can't believe I heard this on CNN, but they indicated while everyone says someone wrote her speech, but no one said anything last week about who wrote the democrats speech

Could this be fairness on behalf of the media?

If you all on this blog are naive enough to believe that any of the democrats wrote there own speech, I got a couple of bridges to sell you

Posted by: dem52 | September 3, 2008 11:56 PM

Look, I support Obama, but it appears that Huckabee was just trying to make a lame joke. Everyone should take a breather.

Posted by: Steve | September 3, 2008 11:54 PM

I have voted for democrats since Carter, but I am now voting Republican. I pay enough taxes already.

Posted by: dem52 | September 3, 2008 11:51 PM

None of the stuff was true.

I'd love to get within spitting distance of Rudy. What a little troll he is.

Posted by: K Ackermann | September 3, 2008 11:46 PM


Can I get within spitting distance of you?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:49 PM

She told lies that have already been exposed as lies. What's up with that?
And saying hubby is a commercial fisherman is not true. He works for BP and belongs to the United Steelworkers Union, which backs Obama/Biden.
Anyone can scrunch up their nose and give a speech someone else wrote. But not everyone is willing to tell the truth. Certainly neither she nor McCain put much stock in the truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:49 PM

Attention Coldwater
This may come as a shock to you, but all politicians have speechwriters. I know it is a shock, but it has been that way for about 50 years.

It's all about the delivery

sorry to burst your bubble

Posted by: dem52 | September 3, 2008 11:48 PM

Grade F for reading comprehension Juliet (how can we ever reach you?). Palin did receive more votes in her race for Governor than Biden received during his campaign for President. Since both elections are their most recent live-fire events, Huckabee's statement is indeed correct (indeed Palin practically doubled up Old Slow Joe).

Next faux issue...

Posted by: A. Howe | September 3, 2008 11:47 PM

None of the stuff was true.

I'd love to get within spitting distance of Rudy. What a little troll he is.

Posted by: K Ackermann | September 3, 2008 11:46 PM

I used to consider myself a pretty regular Republican voter, but I've got to tell you, after seeing the pettiness and small-mindedness of this vice-presidential nominee, I'm going to be voting for Obama. The Republican Party, I'm sad to say, has cheapened itself and has completely lost its way. I never thought I'd hear myself say that.

Posted by: ExRvoter | September 3, 2008 11:45 PM

For God's sake it was a joke!

You know, I think I like it better when we had real newspapers with real journalists, if fact I know I did

Posted by: dem52 | September 3, 2008 11:45 PM

Ok, so Biden BARELY got more votes nationwide than Palin got in her state. LOL

Posted by: Cory | September 3, 2008 11:43 PM

Reminds me of when all the Repubs laughed at Cheney's quip during the VP debate that he had never met John Edwards before. That turned out to be a fraud, too.

Clearly you people are as contemptuous as you are stupid.

And by the way, Sarah Palin won her 1996 mayoral race by 617 votes to 413.

Posted by: Bill B. | September 3, 2008 11:42 PM

I believe that the comment was that she got more votes for governor than Biden did running for president in the primaries. Don't be so sensitive, Juliet. He was just poking a little fun back at Biden, who has already condescendingly spoken about Palin's "small town".

Posted by: Adrienne | September 3, 2008 11:39 PM

Newsflash to anyone who thought Palin did well: she didn't write the speech.... in fact, her speechwriters didn't even write the speech. It was written before McCain had even chosen a running-mate. And here you're gettin' all juicy because she "did well"?? Man, you must really jones for the evening news readers, too. All we saw tonight was a politician reading a teleprompter. How about we put Sarah Palin in a news conference? How about we put her in a debate with Joe Biden? She's all hat and no cattle.

Posted by: ColdWater | September 3, 2008 11:39 PM


Also, see:

Posted by: HawkFeather | September 3, 2008 11:30 PM


Oh, Lord, Jesus W. Christ!

This is why the real REPUBLICANS --- who may or may not be religious but who use use modern political precepts as their governing principles --- Danforth (who unfortunately saddled us with Clarence Thomas, Scalia's shoeshine boy), Leach, Chafe, Simpson, et al say the CHRISTIAN RIGHTS are ruining their GOP organization the last 8 years.....

These people are not only sad; they are dangerous..... If they had been born, or had lived, in small and powerless countries where they couldn't go against Stealth bombers and ICBM's, I have no doubt these would be using terrorist tactics against their enemies, too,,,, Just christian zealots....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:39 PM


Are you aware of the Book of Revelation?

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 11:36 PM

It was a Joke! But pretty darn close.


Not close!

Posted by: acarponzo | September 3, 2008 11:36 PM

Dems are going to have to face it, Sarah did a good job. Her kids are great too. Bristol had such a look of pride on her face when her mom walked on stage, it was a look any mom would give anything to see from their own child. As far as the youngest daughter, too cute.

Posted by: tiredofit | September 3, 2008 11:31 PM


oh, lord buddha, deliver me --- America and the world's people --- from these uneducated but "cute" looking GOP leaders and families!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:32 PM

Let's face it, when McCain chose Palin, he put the nail in the coffin. I shudder at the thought of her having her finger on the button, with her extremist views and past political leanings. They can try to paint it any way they want but Americans have been fooled by the Republicans one too many times. We are not going to buy their tired old flag waving, fear mongering lines any longer. Americans wants CHANGE they can BELIEVE in. We all know you can't believe anything coming from the Repubcans mouths!

Posted by: Dick | September 3, 2008 11:32 PM

News for Huckabee:

The whole entire population of Alaska is smaller than the population of downtown Memphis. So Palin's no big kahuna... she's basically the town manager of America's biggest welfare slum.

Plus, Memphis has better music, better 'cue, and fewer of its politicians are headed for the pen.

Posted by: BluGrass | September 3, 2008 11:32 PM

I wonder if Huckabee and Lieberman lied when they gave their speechs or just never cared to research their points?

Either way its sad dishonest and misleading. I do not care if politicians bash each other and say horrible things about other politicians as long as it is true.

The American people deserve to know about all the trash the people we are voting for are involved in, and no matter who the politician is there is ALWAYS dirt so why make it up.

It just seems lazy to me.

Posted by: Patrick | September 3, 2008 11:31 PM

Dems are going to have to face it, Sarah did a good job. Her kids are great too. Bristol had such a look of pride on her face when her mom walked on stage, it was a look any mom would give anything to see from their own child. As far as the youngest daughter, too cute.

Posted by: tiredofit | September 3, 2008 11:31 PM






Also, see:

Posted by: HawkFeather | September 3, 2008 11:30 PM

Huckberry Hound Mike should make himself useful and marry Juneau and Levi so they don't have any more premarital sex.

Posted by: Fred | September 3, 2008 11:28 PM

So, in other words, these guys don't believe in quantitative statistics; they gonna say whatever they feel like saying.

To claim "Sarah has more EXECUTIVE experience" is one thing; because it is true. Obama is a legislator, so he has NO executive experience. So although to say Palin has "more executive" is like to say, "my apple is sweeter than your orange," it is forgivable for these gun toting red necks.

But to say, BLATANTLY, on TV, watched by millions who could do a quick search,,,, some obviously untrue statistics?,,, they see no problem with that?

And this guy IS A PREACHER of the Lord?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:28 PM

Even I have my limits.....Sarah Palin? What was McCain thinking?

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 11:28 PM

But they are the rubes in question - how self-loathing can you get???

Posted by: spqr2k | September 3, 2008 11:26 PM

You expect TRUTH? He's a Republican, isn't he? They don't do truth. They just make it up and hope the rubes don't notice.

Posted by: tom | September 3, 2008 11:25 PM

Read that quote again...
'...Mayor of the TOWN of Alaska.'

That makes him wrong on so many more levels than we ever thought he could be. Maybe this loose logic provides some insight into the the thought that she has foreign policy experience since she lives close to Russia.

...And all of this silliness is brought to you by the party that answers every question with the word 'nine-eleven'

Posted by: spqr2k | September 3, 2008 11:25 PM


Posted by: SANDRA ERIKSSON | September 3, 2008 11:21 PM

OK, Matt, you're right. "Mayor of the town."

I still think he messed up his line. If he had said "Governor of the state," then, (and again, good catch), it would have been a true statement.

Posted by: Daniel J. Mount | September 3, 2008 11:21 PM

My wife and I thought Palin did a great job too. McCain made a great choice.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 11:20 PM

I'm trying to be fair, but if this is John McCain's running mate, the person who is going to be President of the US, should something happen to him, this is a joke. Barack Obama sensing that he might have some weakness in his resume chose Joe Biden, McCain made a cynical choice. I agree with the two Republican strategists caught on open mike, "it's over."

Posted by: Elinor | September 3, 2008 11:16 PM

What was Biden's vote total AFTER his supporters went to Obama in the caucus?

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 11:15 PM

Even is the media checks up on the lies and exposes them, the republicans just blame the media for every problem that excist in America. The Republicans blame the media and the Democrats for the last 8 years.

They even Blame the Democrats for the stailmate in Irak! The economy! The Republicans some how think winning wars is about wishing then to be one, not facts on the ground.

The Republicans think responsible managment of the Government is just something that can never be obtained, so dinøt wait around for that!

Posted by: vicbennettnet | September 3, 2008 11:14 PM

Huckabee seems like a nice enough guy, so I was going to say lets give him the benefit of the doubt, but this I realized hes doing McCains shilling so lets not.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 11:12 PM

Daniel J Mount.

Would you like to re-read your statement?
If Huckabee meant to say "mayor of the state of Alaska" as you purport....

then poor ol Huckabee still got it wrong.
States don't have mayors.

Posted by: matt | September 3, 2008 11:12 PM

I just watched Palin's speech.

Palin sounds like a real a-hole.

She can talk smack because she knows if anyone tries to fight back, she'll cry "Don't hit the girl!"


Posted by: julie | September 3, 2008 11:11 PM

9/11. Damn facts always get in the way of propaganda! Didn't you know that McCain was a POW? Liberals.

Posted by: Opps | September 3, 2008 11:10 PM

It finally dawned on me watching Guliani deliver his speech...most Republicans are dumb.

God, I wish someone would have told me that explains so much.

Posted by: John | September 3, 2008 11:08 PM

the actual vote count for that wassilla election was roughly 1400 total for her and her opponent.

Republicans are notoriously bad with numbers.

Posted by: Matt | September 3, 2008 11:07 PM

Typical. Just lie and assume the public and the media won't check the facts or care. Worked for Bush.

Posted by: DogBitez | September 3, 2008 11:07 PM

Yeah, but this here apple is better than any orange you'll ever eat.

Posted by: Atlanta, GA | September 3, 2008 11:06 PM

Since when did truth ever mean anything to a Republican?

These people enjoy slime and they throw it on anyone and everyone in their path.

Posted by: delantero | September 3, 2008 11:05 PM

If your quote is correct—"She got more votes running for mayor of the town of Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States"

Then Huckabee must have made a mis-speak, saying "the town of Alaska" instead of "the state of Alaska."

By your vote count:
114,697 for Palin for Governor
63,157 for Biden for President

Then, if Huckabee had just said "state of Alaska" instead of "town of Alaska," it would be a true statement.

Posted by: Daniel J. Mount | September 3, 2008 11:03 PM

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