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About Those Community Organizing Years...

By Alec MacGillis
Both Rudy Giuliani and Gov. Sarah Palin reserved some of their harshest lines last night to mock Barack Obama's years working as a community organizer in Chicago, with Palin saying that it resembled her work as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, except that as a mayor "you have actual responsibilities."

The attacks may have been inevitable, given how much emphasis the Obama campaign has placed on that part of his resume. The campaign's constant touting of Obama's accomplishments as a community organizer has always been somewhat at odds with Obama's own account in his 1995 memoir, in which he makes clear how frustrating and relatively unproductive the experience actually was.

But the McCain campaign's comparisons between Obama's years as a community organizer and Palin's as mayor also serves as an attempt by the McCain campaign to establish a biographical equivalence between two different life stages gone through by candidates close in age and, perhaps, to write his time representing a populous Chicago state senate district out of the picture. After all, Obama was an organizer from roughly age 24 to 26 -- after he graduated from Columbia University but before he went to Harvard Law School -- and Palin, at that age, was working as a television sports broadcaster.

If Palin's two terms as mayor are chronologically equivalent to anything in Obama's biography, it is to his eight years in the Illinois State Senate, which occupied roughly the same stretch in his late 30s and early 40s as did her time running Wasilla.

That, however, is comparison that shapes up a bit differently. Wasilla's population during Palin's tenure as mayor was roughly 5,000; Obama's Senate district held about 200,000 constituents, or about 40 times as many as Palin's Wasilla.

Slightly more than 1,000 people voted in Palin's reelection contest in 1999, which she won 826-255. Slightly more than 50,000 voted in Obama's 1998 reelection, which he won with about 45,000 votes.

Posted at 4:04 PM ET on Sep 4, 2008  | Category:  analysis
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Jesus was a carpenter. And the savior of the world. He did not organize the community. He shook up the community and showed them the truth.

Posted by: Kyle | September 11, 2008 1:34 PM


Why does Obama call women 'sweetie'?

Why does Obama pay women less than men?

The women working for McCain get equal pay.

Posted by: jewel | September 7, 2008 2:58 PM

I lost my Brother in the 911 attacks. How dare these republicans show that painful footage on national TV for their political gains! They should DROP DEAD!!!

Posted by: Vinnie | September 5, 2008 7:14 PM

EXCERPT: from 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA’s:

“When two U.S. Army enlisted men were captured by the Viet Cong in 1963, they were plunged into an ordeal that would prove to be a relentless trial of body and spirit by torture. Once they were finally freed, however, their trials began all over again, when their statements critical of the U. S. Vietnam policy landed them in a military court facing a capital offense for violating the military Code of Conduct by “aiding the enemy.”

But, if your name is John McCain and your father and grandfather were famous admirals, violating the Code of Conduct by “aiding the enemy” translates into fodder for a political career, book deals, and adulation bordering on sainthood. Even though news reports of McCain collaborating with the enemy continued from the time he was captured in 1967 through 1970, the Navy never considered prosecution as an option.

Instead, Pentagon pencil pushers chose a political spin that lifted McCain, the former POW turned U.S. Senator, up to a glorified pedestal where he sprouted a halo and wings and became America’s “POW-hero” and today a presidential candidate.
No such luck for the two lowly “grunts.”
SANTOLI: But on the Senate side, we had one person standing in the way of getting in positions that would have been very tough on government bureaucrats who didn’t tell the truth. And that one person was Sen. John McCain.
Cpl. BOB DUMAS, U.S. Army (Ret.): He didn’t want nobody to check his background because a lot of the POWs that was in the camps said he was a collaborator of the enemy. He gave the enemy the information they wanted.
Dr. JAMES LUCIER, former U.S. Senate Chief of Staff: But We do know that when he was there [in the Vietnamese prison], he cooperated with the communist news services in giving interviews there, ah, not flattering to the United States.
USRY: Information shows that he made over 32 tapes of propaganda for the Vietnamese government. Certainly, you do what you need to do to stay alive. Nobody would fault anybody for that. But there comes a point in time when enough is enough.
REP: DORNAN: They made those transcriptions, and in the transcriptions, I heard a POW who heard them comin’ into his cell and said, “Oh, my God, is that Admiral McCain’s son? Is that the admiral’s son? Is that Johnny — telling us that our principal targets are schools, orphanages, hospitals, temples, churches?” That was Jane Fonda’s line. Where are those transcriptions? Believe me — they’re in the archives of the museum, the bragging military phony museum in Hanoi. McCain could not have wanted those [to] turn up in the middle of a presidential race. He knows that. I know that, and a few other people know that, and that’s why he went against Bob Dole’s legislation.
DUMAS: And he didn’t want nobody looking into his background in that camp, what went on in that camp. That stuff is still classified so nobody can see it. And he just had it classified forever, so nobody’ll ever look at it.
LUCIER: That he was given special treatment and was put in a room with two other defectors who were later given special treatment. Although I will say to his credit he refused to be repatriated as a result.
REP: DORNAN: This sounds so good at first. McCain was offered the chance to come home. They called him the “Prince.” And he could have. But nobody ever takes that one step beyond that. If John … Admiral John McCain II … “Junior” … if his son, a lieutenant senior grade, had accepted this princely status and come home in 1967 while the others would sit there for five years, what would the Navy have done, with the son of an admiral who opted to get special treatment and come home? No Navy career. No House seat. No Senate seat. It would have been the end of his career. [Edit.] And they were offering him this chance to go home in one of three groups that came home in ‘68.
SANTOLI: They were all collaborators.
REP. DORNAN: And McCain called them this — except for Bill Kagill [phonetic] — the “slipperies,” the “slimies” and the “sleazies.” I once forgot one of those names — and he refreshed my memory. The slipperies, the slimies and the sleazies. So that meant that he would have become a slimy, a sleazy and a slippery, ruining his career and the admiral’s son goes home. What I’m saying is, yes — he chose to stay. But did he have an alternative if he ever wanted to have a life? And what would it have done to his father?
DOUGLASS: And his activities were sufficiently consistent and widespread in opposing efforts to learn the truth that he was written up in a number of articles as a Manchurian candidate in this issue.
REP. DORNAN: In Hanoi, he saw McCain turn red in the face. He even used the term “Rumblestiltskin” [sic], jumping up and down in place in a rage: “If you release any of these records that you have here in Hanoi on me or the other POWs, you will NEVER get diplomatic recognition.”
USRY: McCain may have been an expert on being a prisoner of war but he was by no means an expert on the POW issue.”

Posted by: ron | September 5, 2008 12:44 AM

Jesus was a Community Organizer.
Pontius Pilate was a Governor.

Catholic Democrats is expressing surprise and shock that Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's acceptance speech tonight mocked her opponent's work in the 1980s for the Catholic Campaign for Human Development. She belittled Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama's experience as a community organizer in Catholic parishes on the South Side of Chicago, work he undertook instead of pursuing a lucrative career on Wall Street. Community organizing is at the heart of Catholic Social Teaching to end poverty and promote social justice.

Posted by: James Greene | September 5, 2008 12:27 AM

Hess, is Obama the VERY BEST the U.S has to offer the world? (the non voting Europeans notwithstanding).....If Russia invades ANOTHER country on the first day of the new administration.....Will Obama be able to deal with it? What if Biden's ticker poops out the day after they are elected? What then, will Obama do when he gets that 3am call that Iran just announced that they have an operational Nuclear Bomb pointed at Israel......Will Obama step in immediately to support Israel or will he ask his Preacher what to do? If N.Korea decides to kidnap another S. Korean what will Obama do? Is he going to issue a green card so that they can come into OUR country legally to discuss the issue? If McCain is elected....and IF the Saracuda is relied upon to lead our country in any way.......She is far more qualified than Obama.....

Posted by: Jacob | September 4, 2008 11:42 PM

To Pissed Off: Thank you. You have finally said what the Republicans would like to but can't -- they will burn their own house down (i.e having Palin as VP) before they will let "a black" be president. Well, good luck with that. You will have a black president, and thank God that he will be fairer to you than you have been to him.

Posted by: Exasperated | September 4, 2008 11:39 PM

I guess the questions that we all need to ask ourselves, honestly, are...Is Sarah Palin the best choice for Vice President of The United States of America, and I mean the absolute best that The United States of America has to offer as leaders of the free world? Is Sarah Palin the person that we all want and feel comfortable and confident in having assume the most powerful position in the world if something tragic were to happen to Senator McCain? The latter is a very real scenario too, because...well we all know why and there's no need to rehash all of that, mainly because it would be terribly tragic, president or not. But is She the absolute best that we have to offer?

Posted by: HESS | September 4, 2008 11:23 PM

On Second thought........I'll reply now. I resent the derogatory remarks. "Dumb...Stupid....The right side of an important issue"......What's dumb, stupid or wrong about what I said. I am an American and it is how I feel. I vote, I count. You vote, you count. Period. There is no right or wrong. There is no Dumb or Stupid. The winner will be whoever the American public agrees with. I think everyone is missing the point here. We are upset not because a Black man is running for President. I for one am VERY PROUD of that. We are upset because of the immediate negative response and smear campaign that took place immediately after Mrs. Palin was announced as McCain's running mate. "She's too inexperienced"........She has more experience then Obama and she's only the presumptive Veep...Not the guy running for PRESIDENT!..........."How dare she run for the office the of V.P. when she has a baby at home".......Are we going to set the Women's movement back 40 + years? Is her husband not qualified to raise the children the same as any women can? I am 44 years old and I was raised to believe that any woman can do any job that a man can. Why can't any man do any job that a woman can?......Granted, we can't breast feed but I was pretty dam good at heating up a bottle of breast milk at 3:30 in the morning when we were raising our kids.....
What about China, Russia, Iran and N. Korea? China is about to pass both the Japanese and the U.S. as an economic powerhouse. Are you comfortable letting someone with NO executive experience at all deal with these guys. Folks.....Russia is betting that Obama wins.....Putin WANTS Obama to win.....Have you not been paying attention to what is coming out of Iran and N. Korea? How is Obama going to deal with China? China is going to surpass the U.S. as the largest Oil Importer in no time. We need someone with experience in this field to deal with it......It is time to get real.....For me, you and our children.....

Posted by: Jacob | September 4, 2008 10:56 PM

Zenophobia - fear and contempt for strangers or foreigners.

Posted by: MyView4U | September 4, 2008 10:55 PM

Real Brother. I am going to watch McCains acceptance speech. I will address your post shortly thereafter. In the meantime, I would suggest you research two men. The first is Colonel Fred V.Cherry. Probably the highest ranking African American held prisoner during the Vietnam War. Oh, and he was a Fighter Pilot. Then maybe you should take a look at Eugene Jacques Bullard's biography. He's pretty much recognized as the 1st Black Fighter Pilot. He was born in 1895 in Columbus, Ga. So I guess I am saying that yes, Mr. Obama's Father could have been in their shoes contrary to what you say is possible in this "White Supremacist Culture".....

Posted by: Jacob | September 4, 2008 10:24 PM

Let's start betting on when Levi cheats on 17yr old preggo Bristol. I say within two weeks......sooner if I can meet him.

I wanna be president of Levi's fan club!!!!!! Do me first!!!! C'mon, no 18yr old stud can resist me.

Posted by: i heart levi so much | September 4, 2008 9:52 PM

Real Brother here.

[Oh for petes sake! This article by Alec MacGillis is really a stretch. What minutia are we going to dissect next in their "comparative lifelines"? What shampoo they used during the first 5 years out of college?!?!?!?! Give me a break. I am soooo tired of people hyperventilating while trying to justify Obama's credentials......He has done very little to date. Please please please educate me. What has he done that affects us on a National scale? Nothing.....Well that's not true. I now know that he is capable of voting PRESENT....

Posted by: jacob | September 4, 2008 9:28 PM]

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I'll take a crack at your nonsense Jacob.First of all I reject the DUMB idea that a President has to "Do Something"(as in get shot down over Honoi and be too slow and DUMB to get away). What nonsense would it be that we make Micheal Phelps President because he won 9 Gold Medals? No, we support Barack Obama NOT because he made the game winning shot in the NBA finals or hit the 50 ft. putt in the Masters(Better then most!) we support him because he Mastered the curriculum at the toughest Universities in America. He became a Constitutional Law Professor and a State and later US Senator. All this while being on the RIGHT SIDE of every important issue to us (The War, The Economy,Race,Family,Taxes,Energy policy). People aren't as DUMB as you Idiots Jacob we can see and we can hear and we know right from STUPID and Barack is far from the later. As for voting "Present" that too is a silly test for a President,because many bills are DUMB and they shouldn't be even brought forward.Votes either way on STUPID Bills give validity to STUPID Bills.Barack Obama NEVER voted Present on ONE piece of legislation that HE sponsored.As President he will be generating the legislation as opposed to having to deal with nonsense by Idiots.Obama voted yay or nay on Bills that concerned him and or fit with his agenda(he was voted most liberal Senator for a reason). So try again Jacob.

TKCAL

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother | September 4, 2008 9:48 PM

Hello people of america. I am a person named Hussein. I am amazed at the level of ignorance your republican parties have with regard to the sciences. We will bury you while you are out racing your snowmobiles.

Posted by: My name is Hussein | September 4, 2008 9:47 PM

God Levi is hot!! I hope I get to him first before he starts cheating on his pregnant 17 year old girlfriend with all those thousands of other girls that want to do him. All 18yr old boys want a hot 23yr old girl like me!

Call me Levi!!! I'm waiting!!!

Posted by: I HEART LEVI | September 4, 2008 9:45 PM

Excuse my ignorance, what does "zenophobia" mean?

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 9:45 PM

John McCain / Peg Bundy 08'

Posted by: K Ackermann | September 4, 2008 9:45 PM

Thanks to all the nasty comments here.(Mary - the man's name is Barack Obama. Calling him by his middle name as you do is plain disrespectful, because we all know what you mean by doing it. Are you proud that you can display your racism, bigotry and zenophobia all at once?). I just contributed to Obama's campaign for the second time this month. I do it every time the other side gets carried away. I feel better and Obama gets more money - so keep it up!

Posted by: MyView4U | September 4, 2008 9:42 PM

Anonymous = Obamite payed by the hour to say stupid things!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 9:41 PM

TKCAL....your presence is requested in the 21st Century

Posted by: Jacob | September 4, 2008 9:39 PM

SARAH PALIN--PITBULL ELITIST IN PANTYHOSE!

Go Back to Alaska Sarah--We need a vetted leader who can be taken seriously. You never will be!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:38 PM

Realbrother,

Nice try but no cigar!
Please try again but correct your typos and misspellings!
Later on will discuss your ideas!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 9:38 PM

Thank you for the numbers. Worth spreafing...

Posted by: SW | September 4, 2008 9:37 PM

We are trying to elect a president, not the winner of American Idol...

Is this truly how low politics has gone in this country that we would even consider this ditz ball hockey mom from the outback as the best our nation has to offer??

Thank you Republicans for making us the laughing stock of the world!! And we thought BUSH was the absolute lowest we could ever go....

What a complete embarrasment!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:36 PM

Obama's first political experience as a community organizer is nothing to be belittle. That experience just shows a good political principle that government and change should be worked up from the bottom up. That's what democracy is all about. You understand the top job of the presidency of the republic if you learned it from the bottom up.

Posted by: BobBrown | September 4, 2008 9:34 PM

Dear "Anonymous":

Jon Stewart is who you look to for serious political commentary? I thought liberals were supposed to be so much smarter and intelligent than all of us aw' shucks conservatives? Who do you turn to for guidance on foreign policy issues? Larry the Cable Guy?

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 9:33 PM

And what did Hussain Obama accomplish in those 8 years in the State Senate - well, he voted "present" over 180 times to avoid having a record and the few times he did vote - he voted to deny medical care to babies born alive who survived abortions.

Yep - we've got a real winner here!!!

Posted by: Mary | September 4, 2008 9:33 PM

Real Brother here.

Though I liked the editorial it still begs the reality that White Supremacists and Racists have created a standard of White oriented "experience" and since Obama is Black and could have NEVER had a father and or grand father that were Admerials in the US Navy or because he is Black could NEVER have been a jet fighter pilot in Vietnam or been married to Bill Clinton or get elected Mayor of Wasilla or Gov. of White azz Alaska that making this the litmus test for a Black man is just silly.

Its the hieght of White Supremacy that White Supremacists have used to keep Jackie Robinson, Tiger Woods and Micheal Jordan out of sports for years.They no doubt have done it to Barack Obama all of his life but the buck stops here. We support Barack BECAUSE he doesn't meet the White Supremacist litmus test for the office of President we feel its his STRONGEST qualification.

TKCAL

Posted by: Realbrother | September 4, 2008 9:32 PM

God, please remember what you answered when somebody asked you if a woman or a black could become President of the United States!

- For a woman, your answer was: "not in your lifetime"
- For a black, your answer was: "not in My Lifetime"

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 9:32 PM

SARAH PALIN--GEORGE W. BUSH IN A SKIRT!

Posted by: Jan | September 4, 2008 9:32 PM

Right on Mr. MacGillis! Great point which seems to have been missed by all the pundits out there. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Lyon Village | September 4, 2008 9:31 PM

ZippyinginAnapolis,

Judging by the amount of money raised by Obama-Biden last night, I think it's safe to say that a lot of those eye-balls were from Democrats.

Hard not to watch a train-wreck unfolding three times in a row.

Posted by: JP2 | September 4, 2008 9:28 PM

Oh for petes sake! This article by Alec MacGillis is really a stretch. What minutia are we going to dissect next in their "comparative lifelines"? What shampoo they used during the first 5 years out of college?!?!?!?! Give me a break. I am soooo tired of people hyperventilating while trying to justify Obama's credentials......He has done very little to date. Please please please educate me. What has he done that affects us on a National scale? Nothing.....Well that's not true. I now know that he is capable of voting PRESENT....

Posted by: jacob | September 4, 2008 9:28 PM

If you think Hillary was being unjustly attacked just wait. The hate mongers will attack Sarah and attack with lies and half truths worse than Hillary was ever attacked. WHY? Because she's a woman. But HEY dont say anything about Obama.(period) The Obama camp will call you a racist.

Posted by: fred | September 4, 2008 9:28 PM

My, my--I Now can see why the MoveOn/Kos midgets are having a braying little cow, using organized crap e-mails, smears to "take on" The Big Bad bear skinning Sarah and her kids, grandkids, husband and guns:

""""According to Nielsen Co. , 37.2 million people watched her speech, just 1.1 million fewer viewers short of Obama’s record-breaking speech at Invesco Field. However, Obama’s speech was carried on ten networks, while Palin’s was carried only on six.

Palin also drew about 11 million more viewers than the 26 million who tuned in to watch Hillary Clinton in Denver last Tueday."""

Too Late Dorothy!!! Keep resisting...

Posted by: ZippyinAnnapolis | September 4, 2008 9:24 PM

After Giuliani's job, trying character assassination with Obama is impossible!

Obama is already a corpse waiting for the flies to appear!

When that happens, nobody will recognize the real Obama from his actual impersonation!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 9:24 PM

Many of you are confusing community organizer with community service. There is a difference. While both serve the community those in community service do the actual work. What is ill defined with Obama is what did he actually do for 2 years as an organizer or did he just have meetings and jaw bone. Just like what did do as an attorney is equally ill defined. Did he ever try a case, ever represent an indigent defendant for a fraction of what private clients pay. I do. Or was it all just fodder for a resume to lauch a political career.

Obama comes across as just another cynical pol but with a good delivery.

Posted by: megaphone | September 4, 2008 9:23 PM

Alec MacGillis' so-called analysis of Sen. Barack Obama's community organization work seems very lazy and shallow.

For in-depth looks at Obama's community organizing years, see:
1. Serge Kovaleski: "In Organizing, Obama Led While Finding His Place." The New York Times, July 7, 2008. (www.nytimes.com)

2. John B. Judis: "Creation Myth: What Barack Obama won't tell you about his community organizing work." The New Republic, September 10, 2008. (www.tnr.com).

McGillis' treatment of the subject was truly inadequate. SteveA.

Posted by: searchesetc | September 4, 2008 9:23 PM


Tim Russert: “So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?”

Obama: “I will not.”

- Barack Obama, Meet the Press, Jan. 22, 2006.

Posted by: WylieD | September 4, 2008 9:21 PM

The 10 million dollars for Obama came from his supporters, just like the $51 million dollars he got in July from us and whatever the total will come to in August. Millions of us have been supporting our man financially all along, and there is nothing desperate about it. We do it all the time, but especially when stuff is going on with the other side, just to let him know we're here and supporting him. We kind of feel like we're all in this together with him. So don't get all worked up about it meaning anything different - we've been doing it for over a year.

Posted by: MyView4U | September 4, 2008 9:17 PM

dbw,

You too. We're waiting.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:16 PM

Palin Rocks. She’s going to get drilling up and running in Alaska. Who cares about some wildlife refuge that nobody visits. Animals don’t fill my SUV’s tank. Speaking of animals, she’ll stop wasting money protecting so-called endangered species. Heck, they’re almost gone already and we get along fine. She’ll make sure that the federal government makes those nutty liberal women do the right thing with their bodies. She’ll get rid of that crazy evolution science thing and get creationism back in the schools where it belongs. She’ll get that federal law passed requiring everyone to carry a concealed gun for protection. About time. Guided by the Lord she’ll lead is into glory by taking us into righteous wars against extremists. She’ll protect us from the Hom*s in Hollywood. Thank God for Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Allen | September 4, 2008 9:15 PM

Wylie D,

Please grace us with your comment on Jon Stewart's piece. I see that you fled the other forum since you had no response. We're still waiting:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/jon-stewart-hits-karl-rov_n_123852.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:14 PM

Young Americans, at least the most altruistic ones often do work that pays little or nothing for the public good.

I once heard an aggressive fox reporter attempt to gottcha Obama with :"oh a community organizer, what did you get paid for that.?" He thought a second obviously because the money was of little importance, the said "I think about 15000. for the year she was clearly taken aback"

The idea that people are willing to do this kind of good work rather than line their pockets is among many(often republicans) I guess they think its unpatriotic if you don’t go for the big money.

These are often people with the best grades, from the best schools.

I have a son who graduated from a top California Law School who has chosen this path. so its been three years of hard work ,often pro bonum, to help poor, often Hispanic workers, retain their wages that they were cheated out of by well to do Southern California business owners- if he earns $45000 this year doing this yearit will be a lot.
But people can do things that are simply just ,fair and right,without expectations of luxury or even very much comfort in theiral person material life- and many of them to with little expectation of some religious redemption.
Hard to believe isn’t it?

Posted by: daniel s | September 4, 2008 9:14 PM

Alec MacGillis' so-called analysis of Sen. Barack Obama's community organization work seems very lazy and shallow.

For in-depth looks at Obama's community organizing years, see:
1. Serge Kovaleski: "In Organizing, Obama Led While Finding His Place." The New York Times, July 7, 2008. (www.nytimes.com)

2. John B. Judis: "Creation Myth: What Barack Obama won't tell you about his community organizing work." The New Republic, September 10, 2008. (www.tnr.com).

McGillis' treatment of the subject was truly inadequate. Brounet.

Posted by: Larry Brounet | September 4, 2008 9:13 PM

Hey McSame Supporters,

Are any of you man (or woman) enough to tell us what you think Jon Stewart taking apart and exposing your architect Karl Rove and the rest of your talking head bigots? My guess is that not one of you will say one word. Here is the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/jon-stewart-hits-karl-rov_n_123852.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:13 PM

Alec MacGillis' so-called analysis of Sen. Barack Obama's community organization work seems very lazy and shallow.

For in-depth looks at Obama's community organizing years, see:
1. Serge Kovaleski: "In Organizing, Obama Led While Finding His Place." The New York Times, July 7, 2008. (www.nytimes.com)

2. John B. Judis: "Creation Myth: What Barack Obama won't tell you about his community organizing work." The New Republic, September 10, 2008. (www.tnr.com).

McGillis' treatment of the subject was truly inadequate. Brounet.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:12 PM

The most amusing part: Democrats floated along the past 9 months, this was going to be easy, enjoying the confident luxury that they finally were going to make history by putting the first woman in the White House, or the first African American.

Why are they so angry today? Last night they heard Sarah, and today they fear they won't be the first party to do either ...

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 9:10 PM


I see. mayor = state senator

What phase of Palin's career is equivalent to Obama's time as friend, confidant, and financial beneficiary of convicted federal felon Tony Rezko?

Posted by: WylieD | September 4, 2008 9:10 PM

What exactly did Palin accomplish as mayor, besides firing the police chief and library director for not supporting her reelection?

Posted by: Patrick | September 4, 2008 9:09 PM

In every blog there is always ONE troll for McCain. They can't afford to hire more.

Posted by: Aldous | September 4, 2008 9:08 PM

So, it turns out that if you submit your post before you remember to put your name in, it posts with Anonymous as the name. Not everyone is doing it on purpose.

Carol - that's the point. He wasn't a rich Ivy leaguer - certainly didn't have an alumni dad helping him get in. He got in on his intelligence and hard work and the did his best. If that isn't the American dream, I don't know what is - to make opportunities for yourself and to be able to accomplish great things. Isn't that what you want in a president? Why on earth would you say you want an average person to run one of the superpower countries of the world? I think that's selfish.

Posted by: MyView4U | September 4, 2008 9:08 PM

Carol - that's the point. He wasn't a rich Ivy leaguer - certainly didn't have an alumni dad helping him get in. He got in on his intelligence and hard work and the did his best. If that isn't the American dream, I don't know what is - to make opportunities for yourself and to be able to accomplish great things. Isn't that what you want in a president? Why on earth would you say you want an average person to run one of the superpower countries of the world? I think that's selfish.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:07 PM

When we start making sport of mocking goodness, we really are lost.

Posted by: espressobeans | September 4, 2008 9:06 PM

HESS: why all the mean-spirited speech and hate-mongering? I'm a "fool" for stating the obvious?

Obama raised $10M since Palin's speech. McCain raised $10M within a day of announcing her as his VP. So the $10M Obama got is from middle-of-the-roaders who suddenly decided to swing behind him?

If you believe that, you are more naive than I thought possible. The influx of money on the Republican side last Friday was conservatives solidifying behind McCain. The $10M Obama raised since last night is from the panicked liberal base, scared to death they might not be the ones to 'make history' after all.

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 9:05 PM


"He surrounded himself with the dredges of society."

Obama spent a lot of time down at the docks?

Posted by: WylieD | September 4, 2008 9:05 PM

Average John and Sarah? Seven mansions and a rich heiress? Are you on drugs?

Posted by: Sara B. | September 4, 2008 9:04 PM

WylieD,

Thanks for reminding us one of the Gas Prophet infamous lies!

This guy would say that his mother was black but Michael Jackson convinced her of the wonders of changing colors!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 9:02 PM


Obama is a lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago.

If you don't understand the difference between a lecturer and a professor, then you are not tall enough to ride.

Posted by: WylieD | September 4, 2008 9:01 PM

Female, attorney, donating for Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 9:01 PM

Great, all we need is another rich, privledged Ivy Leaguer in the Oval Office. What did the last one Ivy Leaguer do for this country? I'll take my chances with an average John and average Sarah running the country over some snob Ivy Leaguer who thinks they are better than everybody else because of their degree.

Posted by: Carol Lanesville - Manhatten | September 4, 2008 9:01 PM

Community organizer???

$10,000 per yr - $833.33 per month - $4.94 per hour based on standard of 2024 man hours in a year.

What does this say about a man who in time become one of the prominent figures in American History.

Obama had no assurance that doing this "laughable" work would ever catapult him to the Presidency of the United States.

Analyze till your brains go numb.

If one thing is for certain.. and I am not professing it to be true now.. BUT IN MY OPINION OBAMA CARED MORE ABOUT HELPING OTHERS THAN HIMSELF.

If he had been white with the same background and education and doing the same work for an EVANGELICAL CHURCH or EVANGELICAL GROUP the roar from the Republican party would be so loud the Russians would hear it across the Bering Straight PRAISING HIM AS BEING JUST AS BIG A HERO AS JOHN MCCAIN for his service to his country!

I said all that when one word would have be sufficient!

HYPOCRITES

Posted by: EddienTexas | September 4, 2008 9:00 PM


"You know, I am a believer in … in knowing what you’re doing when you apply for a job. Uh, and I think that...if I were seriously to consider running on a national ticket, I would essentially have to start now, before having served a day in the Senate. Now there may be some people who are comfortable doing that, but I am not one of those people."

- Barack Obama, Nov. 2004.

Posted by: WylieD | September 4, 2008 8:58 PM

I believe that Jesus would ask that you leave him out of the conversation and instead direct you to his teachings so that you can learn what he would do to help people.

Posted by: wfii | September 4, 2008 8:58 PM

chigirl,

Could Obama transform Lake Michigan into wine? ... just asking

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:57 PM


Did Palin win like Obama did--by having all his challengers removed from the primary ballot?

Obama learned early and well from the Chicago machine-No opponents. No problems.


Posted by: WylieD | September 4, 2008 8:55 PM

For those of you who think that community organizing was Obama's occupation, you have successfully bought into the Republican half-truths. He was a community organizer after college, went to Harvard for law school then worked at one of the most prestigious law firms in the country, then taught constitutional law at U of C - one of the best law schools in the US. This is aside from being a state senator (over a territory more populous by tens of thousands than Wasilla). Obama went to Columbia and Harvard based on his own merit. Palin went to 5 colleges within 6 years. McCain graduated at the bottom of his class. They make a great team. At least Obama has the intellect and eloquence to finally stop the embarrassment at the presidential level.

To respond to someone else, Jesus was not only a community organizer - he was an activist. He surrounded himself with the dredges of society and spoke out against the current establishment. If this isn't the Jesus you're thinking of, you must be referring to the invented judgmental Jesus of the evangelicals.

Posted by: chigirl | September 4, 2008 8:54 PM

I am telling you, this guy is a fake!
Follow the money to find out who is trying to buy the Presidency using this rookie community organizer as front!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:53 PM

But the Gas Prophet keeps offering the Promised Land to those who would listen!
Why not starting with his own blood?

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:50 PM

Discover the facts if you may have not known:
Faith-based initiative is antithesis to community initiative.

Posted by: pete | September 4, 2008 8:50 PM

Only a complete and total fool would see Obama's raising of $10 million dollars in one day as a positive event for the opposition.

Posted by: HESS | September 4, 2008 8:49 PM

"Luz" has done a fine job illustrating how caring and non-judgmental Democrats are.

My favorite part of this blog is reading all the posts by so many who were going to vote for McCain until they heard Palin's 'hate-filled' speech last night. Yeah, right. If you think that was hate filled, you obviously didn't turn your tv on last week to hear all the love, peace, and harmony spoken from the Democrats pulpit.

Bully's don't like it when their targets hit back. Sarah hit back hard last night, and listen to the liberals squeal today....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:49 PM

"Obama has raised $10M since Palin's speech last night"
... and his brother still lives in a shack in Kenya with his not so known black grandmother!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:47 PM

"scootmandubious, news for you, Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, He was not a "community organizer". He came to the world to save us from our sins, not collecting money for people to lazy to get a job, even at a fast food restaurant.

Posted by: Ken"

Just speaking about homeless, though you didn't specifically mention the homeless. Do you know (because you called people idiots) that most of the homeless aren't lazy people? Yeah, updated educated will learn you that information. Sociology is stunning. You'll get all the stats, trust me. Indeed, they are working people, and they end up with unfortunate situations. That's just the homeless. There are other hard working non-lazy, non-homeless people who are currently experiencing what they should not, while another minimal portion of this country is living quite comfortably. I have major problems with that, and after the past two terms, I know full and well that circumstances are bound to be ignored.

Posted by: Obama2008 | September 4, 2008 8:47 PM

naranjayo - I couldn't agree with you more. Being president is one of the most complex jobs in the world. Few who are elected to the office have any experience, regardless of what they did before, that prepares them for the learning curve and rigors of the job. To me, a very high level of intelligence is the number one qualification, right up there with good judgment. I think that many people who write on these blogs do not understand what a rare thing it is to be elected president of the Harvard Law Review. Obama was the first African American to be elected to the position, which is decided based on grades and a writing competition. The position involves supervising a staff of 80 editors. Harvard is considered the number one law school in the country, so this is an astounding accomplishment.

I think all of this comparison of experience is quite trivial, as none of the four people involved have ever spent a minute being president of the United States. Some of the best presidents have been inexperienced and some of the worst ones have had more experience. In the end, I think what separates the good from the bad is judgment, intellect, enough confidence to surround oneself with the best experts in all the fields of government without feeling intimidated, willingness to seek and take constructive criticism, a commitment to openness with the people you serve, energy, the ability to inspire when times are tough and a great deal of luck. On those criteria, I believe Obama is the stronger candidate.

Posted by: MyView4U | September 4, 2008 8:46 PM

Obama has raised $10M since Palin's speech last night. What further proof do you need that the liberals were scared spitless last night? They thought they had this wrapped up!

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 8:45 PM

?, you are right! They amount to the same!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:45 PM

I saw a little of her speach but this morning I watched a replay of her daughter, who is 17 and pg, on front stage with her "boy friend", who she committed a sin with by having sex and now 5 months pg with his child. This is such a sham to our young teenagers who we are trying to teach sex abstancy if one doesn't use protection. What in God's name is this Sarah doing humilating her daughter. These "right wingers"...!! They have called Bill and Hillary everything in the book and now recent the media prying into their family "values"? Sarah is a small time girl and probably was pg when she eloped.

Posted by: Luz | September 4, 2008 8:44 PM

5 cents on a Christmas sale!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:43 PM

"A law degree from an Ivy League school, with no legal practice has no market value!
Non,nada!
It is a perfect example of how this country wastes scarce resources!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
like under Bush, to be prolonged under a McCain/Palin ticket?

Posted by: ? | September 4, 2008 8:42 PM

scootmandubious,

Are you comparing the Gas Prophet with Jesus?
Stop smoking that trash that you already have brain damage!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:41 PM

Ken - Thank god people like you are an extreme minority. Are you serious with your hateful comments? Is this what we need right now?

Posted by: HESS | September 4, 2008 8:40 PM

scootmandubious, news for you, Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, He was not a "community organizer". He came to the world to save us from our sins, not collecting money for people to lazy to get a job, even at a fast food restaurant.

Posted by: Ken | September 4, 2008 8:40 PM

Hey pissed off, how much did you pay for this nick name man?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:39 PM

Quit signing your titles as "anonymous" you wimps. Obama is a fraud, his associations alone should make you cringe. I fear for our nation if Obama is elected. However, I believe McCain/Palin will be the elected officials and the dem's will hopefully crawl into some hole in the wall like the liberal rats they are and die.

Posted by: Ken | September 4, 2008 8:38 PM

Before we let the term ‘community organizer’ go the way of ‘trial lawyer’ we need to put the GOP and Palin on the defensive for attacking those who do organize.

I think we throw out the names of other prominent community organizers:
Jesus Christ (as previously mentioned)
Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
Susan B. Anthony

And, on a more personal level:
The members of the PTA
The members of other local charities and service groups (insert any prominent number of organizations)

If the Democrats allow ‘community organizer’ to become a negative term, and not clobber the Republicans for denigrating those who serve their communities, than they are beyond hopeless.

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/when-are-dems-going-to-learn-how-to.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 4, 2008 8:37 PM

A law degree from an Ivy League school, with no legal practice has no market value!
Non,nada!
It is a perfect example of how this country wastes scarce resources!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:36 PM

It's really this simple...if McCain/Palin are elected it will be the death of America, and for putting them in office, we will deserve everything we get. It is really just that simple. This is the worst ticket in the history of the nation. Luckily, I have a lot of confidence that, outside of the RNC, people just aren't that utterly stupid.

Posted by: HESS | September 4, 2008 8:35 PM

I heard 'Not so Anonymous' was a 35 year old policeman. Other rumors are she's a 62 year old insurance salesman. Then again he could be a 28 year old composer of music for computer games. Or she could be a 46 year old middle school principal. Doesn't matter - they are ALL voting for Obama.

Posted by: Mystery Woman, er Guy | September 4, 2008 8:35 PM

Oh, you poor wittle Obamanites, your poor wittle messiah has been criticized. What to do, what to do? Well, guess what, he is lying about his past and the creeps he's associated with. Sarah Palin has been trashed for what? Answer me you idiots, for what? Your wittle messiah Obama will NOT be president.

Posted by: Ken | September 4, 2008 8:34 PM

I'm voting for Barack, because he is by far the superior candidate in intellect (a quality the majority of Americans hate), judgment, temperment, and in every other way. But if McSame wins, I would laugh my butt off, because when he croaks, Palin would become President- an even dumber version of Bush. Endless fodder for "Great Moments in Presidential Speeches" on the Late Show with Letterman. If the GOP wins, the further decline of the USA is well-deserved.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:34 PM

Only Huckabee was respectable last night. He is a man of God. He criticized Obama very strongly but he was not divisive and mean like Rudi and Palin and he did not mock community service. It's unChristian to mock good works.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:32 PM

WHY INTELLECT AND ACADEMIC BACKGROUND IS NOT A RELEVANT ISSUE ANY MORE IN THIS COUNTRY? IS IT THAT OUR EVER SHALLOW MEWS MEDIA JUST DECIDED TO IGNORE IT FOR GOOD? BEING POW FOR THREE YEARS AND C CLASS NAVAL ACADEMY STUDENT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN AN OUTSTANDING IVY LEAGUE GRADUATE, COLLEGE PROFESSOR AND AUTHOR? ONLY IN AMERICA!

Posted by: naranjayo | September 4, 2008 8:28 PM

To all Anonymous posting:
Go buy a nickname at E-Bay!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:28 PM

Communism and socialism are political systems that are dead and gone forever. After what I saw the republican speakers do to Barack Obama this week, I do believe that unless something is done to the current way of electing the president of the US and other elected officials, "democracy" as we know it now will cease to exist. In this system, in order to be elected, you lie about your opponent and literally destroy his or her character in order to convince the people to elect you. Once in office, you don't care or listen to the people who put you in office. If they continue to harass you, you order the police to arrest them. If they want to know what you are doing in ofice, you tell them that what they want to know is classified and that it is "top secret." Ladies and gentlemen, democracy is an illusion just like communism and socialism. My challenge to humanity is to come up with a new system where people are really equal and have power to remove from office incompetent leaders like the one we had in the white house for the last eight years. I hope the American people are smart enough to deny John MacCain and Sarah Palin a visa to the white house where they will continue to do what George and Dick have done to the American people and the citizens of the world for the last eight years.

Posted by: Marcos | September 4, 2008 8:28 PM

I realize that elections bring out strong feelings in people and that people from both sides are very committed to their candidates. However, I am really floored when I read things like "it's only the Democrats who say mean and nasty things on these blogs."

Let's see - I've been called a murderer because I'm prochoice, a communist/socialist because I think everyone should have affordable health care, I've been accused of being psycho, on drugs, retarded and a member of the Nazi party because I support Obama, and worst of all, unpatriotic and someone who doesn't love her country, because I think it could be better and want to elect someone who thinks that way, too. Given that I'm a Democrat, I can assure you it has not been the members of my party who have called me these names and said these things to me.

I worry sometimes that people become so passionate about their causes or their candidates that they can no longer accurately evaluated their own behavior.

Posted by: MyView4U | September 4, 2008 8:28 PM

Oops. Last sentence in last post should read "must be scared McCain going to die in office"

Posted by: guytaur1 | September 4, 2008 8:28 PM

its comforting knowing im not the only former katrina volunteer organizer who cried after republicans mocked us. what happened to mccain?

you want small government and people to do for themselves. we help those who struggle to help themselves and you mock us.

obama has my vote no matter what and everyone in my family will turn out to vote this year. i make certain of it. i will feel better after i vote.

Posted by: Tricia Angry | September 4, 2008 8:28 PM

Palin reminds me of that movie"Fargo" a small town where mighty big ambitions wait to be tap. She's every bit the opposite of Hillary and needs to shut up or tone down..less she reveals her true small mind. A far as a small community organizer slam, she really put her foot into that moose mouth

Posted by: grdn_nell | September 4, 2008 8:26 PM

Communism and socialism are political systems that are dead and gone forever. After what I saw the republican speakers do to Barack Obama this week, I do believe that unless something is done to the current way of electing the president of the US and other elected officials, "democracy" as we know it now will cease to exist. In this system, in order to be elected, you lie about your opponent and literally destroy his or her character in order to convince the people to elect you. Once in office, you don't care or listen to the people who put you in office. If they continue to harass you, you order the police to arrest them. If they want to know what you are doing in ofice, you tell them that what they want to know is classified and that it is "top secret." Ladies and gentlemen, democracy is an illusion just like communism and socialism. My challenge to humanity is to come up with a new system where people are really equal and have power to remove from office incompetent leaders like the one we had in the white house for the last eight years. I hope the American people are smart enough to deny John MacCain and Sarah Palin a visa to the white house where they will continue to do what George and Dick have done to the American people and the citizens of the world for the last eight years.

Posted by: Marcos | September 4, 2008 8:26 PM

Are programmers for a major corporation better than independent programmers? Keep on waiting for the paycheck until Kingdom comes!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:26 PM

Wow Republicans attacking Obama for being popular. What a sin. To win a presidential election you need the most votes. That means you must be popular with the electorate. Not a celebrity as you can be a celebrity and not be popular.

Why the comparisons between Senator Obama and Governor Palin?
I think the Republicans must be scared he is going to die in office.

Posted by: guytaur1 | September 4, 2008 8:26 PM

"Female, programmer for a major corporation, donating to Obama"

LOL. That is a better explanation yet!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:24 PM

"Did you just get your "internets" yesterday?"
LOL.
You must have an IQ lower than zero!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:23 PM


Why would anybody with any sense support a clown that when a State Senator vote "Present" over 160 times.

The guy is a fake, a fraud and his supporters are naive,needy, empty and simply unaware.

Pitiful really.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:22 PM

It seems to me a law degree is a bit more challenging than a degree in journalism.

Posted by: Shari | September 4, 2008 8:22 PM

Female, programmer for a major corporation, donating to Obama

Posted by: Not so Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:21 PM

I love it!!!! MacGillis' article falls directly into the trap the Republicans have set -- let the media waste its time splitting hairs comparing Palin to Obama. Maybe then voters will realize that not only is Palin more experienced than Obama, but Obama is not even in the same league as McCain where experience is concerned. And experience definitely matters, regardless of party affliation.

Posted by: goheels | September 4, 2008 8:21 PM

That explains everything! Get a life boy and find some job!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:20 PM

Hear! Hear!
Another community organizer here who doesn't earn much but donated $100 to Obama's campaign yesterday.

We know how to get people to the voting booths. I helped people coping after 9/11 and to think that I might one day be mocked about it by Republicans was too much to bear. I didn't think a convention could make me cry out of anger. its just too much.

Posted by: Sara | September 4, 2008 8:20 PM

21 - and a digital native. I'm guessing you are posting using a typewriter ???

Posted by: Not so Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:17 PM

Not so Anonymous,

You must be a rocket scientist to figure out that by yourself! How old are you?

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:15 PM

Again, "pissed off", Anonymous is not one poster -- it's many. Did you just get your "internets" yesterday?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:15 PM

WHY INTELLECT AND ACADEMIC BACKGROUND IS NOT A RELEVANT ISSUE ANY MORE IN THIS COUNTRY? IS IT THAT OUR EVER SHALLOW MEWS MEDIA JUST DECIDED TO IGNORE IT FOR GOOD? BEING POW FOR THREE YEARS AND C CLASS NAVAL ACADEMY STUDENT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN AN OUTSTANDING IVY LEAGUE GRADUATE, COLLEGE PROFESSOR AND AUTHOR? ONLY IN AMERICA!

Posted by: naranjayo | September 4, 2008 8:15 PM

Anonymous,

Are you paid by the hour?
You are spitting all day, from dawn to sunset, how great is the Obscure Candidate!
Get a life before reality gets you once you stop receiving that lousy check!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:14 PM

Here's another thought.
Anyone who diverts public fund for social services to endorses faith-based initiatives is definitely no friend to community organizers.

Posted by: pete | September 4, 2008 8:13 PM

Dear Pissed Off -- Anonymous is the default name when someone doesn't choose to give a blogging name, so it's very very stupid to address a post by someone who is Anonymous. Also -- Obama doesn't need to compensate his supporters to motivate them. He didn't even have to go search for some wacko neophyte beauty queen to get his base enthused.

Posted by: Not so Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:13 PM

The small town mayor got caught in several lies last night. Maybe she should read the script before it goes on the teleprompter.

Posted by: Electric Bill | September 4, 2008 8:12 PM

Having been a community organizer and know people who are community organizers, I am personally offended by Gov. Palin's remarks minimizing the work theydo. Community Organizers are the glue that holds a movement together and community together. They are often better leaders than the people that have "president" or "director" after their name. Organizers are the ones that have to bring a community together, inspire them that they can make the change they want, and lead them to a point where the community is empowered themselves, all the while raising money and recruiting people and negotiating with those that are in "power".
This is the a job that pays nothing, where violence is threatened and sometimes carried out against organizers, and you are working 10-15 hrs or more for months with no break.
So when Rudy Guiliani and Gov. Palin mocks a profession, they might want to know what the people who work in it do. Especially since the movements Republicans claim to be part of, the Civil Rights and Women's Movements, were built on the hard work and "actual responsibilities" of organizers.

Posted by: stina | September 4, 2008 7:49 PM

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Before all of the community organizers get their panties bunched up in a wad, remember that Palin's comments were in direct response to Obama trying to make insignificant her experience as a mayor. If anything, community organizers should be upset that Obama was so poor at that position, giving them little credibility in the job they are trying to do.

Posted by: Anthony | September 4, 2008 8:12 PM

McCain lost any chance of getting my vote when Republicans started jeering community service in the middle of Rudi's speech. After Palin ridiculed it twice in her speech, I went online and donated to Obama.

Just on Monday these repugnant Republicans were asking Americans to put country first and give for Hurricane Gustav and then two days later they're mocking people who recruit and organize volunteers who do things for communities, often with no government help. Well, you cant have it both ways. You blew it!

Formerly Independent.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:09 PM

The Fourth Reich is alive and well in the United States and you need only look at the Republican sect to see it. They have poisoned the tree of liberty and created the Fascist States of America.

These people have turned our nation into a JOKE! The war will NEVER end even after we have left, the generational seeds of hatred and resentment for us have been sown, but idiots and morons are unable to get past their own stupidity far enough to see it. Unable to recognize the simple truth of how it was used to create $4.00 a gallon gasoline to line the pockets of big oil unable to admit the hundreds of billions that have been funneled to war profiteers. The economy has been destroyed and now the nation will listen to these substance-less wind bags blame everyone else for the destruction they created. The Constitution of the United States has been shredded and now we will listen to the ideologues who destroyed it tell us the law is an arcane "liberal" idea. Listen to how they tell you they shouldn't have to pay taxes after they received the biggest tax break in history. Listen to how they smear government largess as the government spends trillions to bail out themselves, their friends and Wall Street. Let them choke you with their lies and their manufactured hatred of everything and everyone.
The ignorance it takes to swallow and then regurgitate such absolute filth is astounding.

"The larger the lie, the easier it is for people to believe it"
Joseph Goebles

Posted by: Average joe | September 4, 2008 8:09 PM

How could a self-proclaimed pit bull with lipstick hide from journalists almost the whole week? Has she even given ONE interview? The answer, my friends, is no because as soon as she opens her mouth her true identity will be revealed -- a crockroach with glasses!

Posted by: Tao Zen | September 4, 2008 8:09 PM

community organizers like obama ,,, a waste of time job for grads to get a resume item , hang out, etc

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:08 PM

Anonymous,

Go and get your paycheck from Obama's camp and stop pasting trash all over the place!

Posted by: Pissed off | September 4, 2008 8:07 PM

The wingnuts are running Bush 2.0.

"Reformer with results"
"Compassionate conservative"

More of the same bull-sh-t is more accurate.

Posted by: JP2 | September 4, 2008 8:06 PM

Here's a thought...
community organizing work is really done by the community, BUT it takes someone who has good moderating skills to really make it work. It also requires someone who does not care about money or status. It requires someone who can actually be empathetic to creating change for people that need it.
Whether it is in southside Chicago, or USA, we need Barack Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:05 PM

Hate? Do you honestly think Democrats hate America? Are there only Republicans fighting for America in Iraq and Afganistan?
The only people I have seen writing the words hate towards any one is the Repubs spewing it out here.
Do us all a favor and remember we are still Americans and stop with the hate talk. I don't hate you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 7:49 PM
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You must be new here. Most of the hateful comments on here come from the left and are targeted at any person or group that stands up from traditional American values. Anyone and everyone is slandered if they oppose the Obamamessiah's plan to flush this country down the sewer into the socialist cesspool. Clinton was the better of the two major Democratic candidates, but somehow lost even though she won the debates. Not surprisingly, it was mainly due to losing the caucus states where the Obamabots could threaten and intimidate other people at those gatherings.

Posted by: kws | September 4, 2008 8:04 PM

Americans need to focus on the core election issues the economy, the war in Iraq, the energy situation and competition from the global economy. The public I repeat should not be distracted by the latest Republican measures.
Choosing Sarah Palin as the Vice Presidential candidate was a clever move by Mccain.
But one needs to see what both Presidential
candidates have to offer and pick the best man. One needs to use their judgement here.
It would be sad to see a repeat of the last 8 years. Remember 2000!
Why did George Bush win against Al Gore?
I hope the American people make a wise choice as there is a lot at stake for this country in this election. Future direction depends on sound leadership which the next
President should provide!
I hope after Mccain's speech tonight and the forthcoming Presidential debates the public listens and casts their votes wisely.
I see potential in Barak Obama despite his
lack of experience as the opposition puts it for the Presidency of the United States.
This has nothing to do with his oratorial skills which are one of his strongest skills. He is a self made man, shrewd Politican who has worked to get to his current situation.
John Mccain is a war hero, experienced Senator and a maverick. But he is out of touch with what the country needs to address the critical issues and in order
to cater to the extreme right, evangelists
and the conservatives in the Republican Party, his latest moves clearly show he will do anything for power.
Power and ambition are good for anyone. But to be blinded by it is bad for who is involved. In this case it is the country and the ordinary people who can easily be brain washed by the latest political moves.
One needs to question, think and decide.
Aftet all America is still one of the worlds best and greatest democracies, a source of hope and inspiration to the world. I hope the American people make the
right choice on November 4th.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:02 PM

I know a lot of Democrats, and I have never met a single one who hated America. Some have been frustrated, some have hated things that American has done (Guantanamo, anyone? cruel and unusual punishment?) or things that seem to appeal to Americans (but then I believe that taking the Bible utterly literally is a failure of both faith and logic, so creationism doesn't do it for me.) As a Democrat who is mostly proud of my country (and who believes that people have the right to express their doubt), I thank God that in America I have the right to my own opinion, and I respect your right to yours (as long as you don't try and teach my kids creationism, because that is against my faith as a Christian). I do not think that Sarah Palin could honestly say the same. I do not get the sense that Sarah Palin knows how to respect those who disagree with her, or to honestly question her own beliefs. Actually, watching that speech last night, with all those sniping comments and petty jibes, I didn't really get the sense that Palin was particularly Christian.

Posted by: hera | September 4, 2008 8:01 PM

What did Palin compare herself with? A PIG/ BULL with a lipstick? (no difference)She is indeed a PIG! she couldn't have been more right about herself.

Sarah Palin doesn't understamd my issues, and so do I. Was that all she had to offer? insult after insult? That is sooo unlady-like! I don't want a leader with NO manners, no respect!

To hell with McCain/ Palin ticket

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 8:01 PM

Umb Dumb the stuttering community organizer. The man child, who is half the man of Palin, loses by 7 point in November. Be scared.

Posted by: Crazy Monkey | September 4, 2008 7:59 PM

Even in colleges, community service is promoted as an act of leadership, getting involved and taking action for improvement.

Again, I want to say that I don't think Palin knew better and this isn't intended to be seen as an insult.

Posted by: Obama2008 | September 4, 2008 7:58 PM

This is analysis?

Barry Obama was befriending Bill Ayers, the Weather Underground bomber, who is still in 2008 NOT repentant about his terrorist bombings.

Barry Hussein Obama was sitting for twenty years listening to an anti-American, anti-white religious hater, a man who Hussein Obama counted as one of his best friends.

And Hussein Obama insulted ordinary, non-elitist Americans and their religion in San Francisco.

I have never voted for one single Republican in my whole life, but I'm proud to vote for McCain and Palin this year.

Posted by: MarkF | September 4, 2008 7:55 PM

NoBama is an empty suit with no practical job experience.

He never ran anything aside from the Harvard Law Review--and who cares!! NoBama has never had to deal with his own dollars--always the funding came from the pockets of others.

Pallin has real job experience. Disagree with her politics, however, she is honest and straight forward--unlike NoBama.

Posted by: CAEXPATRIOT | September 4, 2008 7:55 PM

I hope you get raped by moslems, "sarah supporter"

Posted by: Tru Grit | September 4, 2008 7:54 PM


What Sarah proved last night was that she is capable of reading a speech off a teleprompter. I believe it was a good delivery.
However, if she were to have read the Gettysburg address I doubt she would have been compared to Lincoln. Well, maybe Republicans would buy into that. They appear to be that desperate
The convention center looked like an assisted living center on B I N G O night..........

Posted by: billy | September 4, 2008 7:53 PM

I was also shocked about the speech killing community service. That is being promoted in schools, some basic lessons in our schools to teach about giving back and getting involved to make or help push for improvements, and Palin got up there ....I wonder what the youth thought of that, or other college students. Parents? What a role model of a speech.

This isn't intended to be an insult, but I want to say that I don't believe she knew better. I don't have children yet, but they will definitely learn about the giving aspect of giving back to their community, or simply giving themselves through their efforts (perhaps backed by my faith in a sense); whether at work, visiting with friends, or simply for serious causes. I will highly promote that.

Posted by: Obama2008 | September 4, 2008 7:53 PM

"Slightly more than 1,000 people voted in Palin's reelection contest in 1999, which she won 826-255. Slightly more than 50,000 voted in Obama's 1998 reelection, which he won with about 45,000 votes."

Unlike Palin, Obama ran for office and was unopposed. I guess that means 5,000 people prefered an empty seat to an empty suit. Pretty telling.

Posted by: Sarah Supporter | September 4, 2008 7:51 PM

The Mccain's Barbi is no factor in this election season. She looks below average, going by her failure to knock some of her abstention doctrine into her own daughter's head. This mediocrity is unfit for the White House at the time when America needs the brilliance of Obama to solve major economic and political problems that are facing us.

Posted by: jake | September 4, 2008 7:51 PM

It’s pretty obvious that this hockey mom has had a few too many pucks shot into her head. She doesn’t believe in helmets, either.

Posted by: Steve | September 4, 2008 7:50 PM

Hey, Lame McSame,
You must've missed the part where Obama acquired 10 extra feet to his backyard from Rezko. You're right. He doesn't abuse his office. Or am I just missing all the 'prosperity' Obama delivered to his constituents in Chicago?

Posted by: Dmitriy | September 4, 2008 7:50 PM

The anti-Palin e-mail

I've received some 50 copies of a long e-mail from a woman named Anne Kilkenny of Wasilla, and it may be the most potent attack on Sarah Palin out there, bouncing around the Internet at the viral speed of an Obama-Muslim rumor.

The Anchorage Daily News confirms its authenticity and describes her as a "stay-at-home mom, letter-to-the-editor writer and longtime watcher of [Mat-Su] Valley politics" who has been deluged with e-mail as she become's Palin's leading local critic.

She says she clashed with Palin over her 1996 "attempt at censorship," a reported suggested to ban books at a local library, which Palin later said wasn't a serious proposal.

The letter mostly contains undisputed facts, and while it's occasionally positive — "she's smart" — it offers a bit of an alternate, and mostly hostile, history to the campaign biography.

A sample: "They call her 'Sarah Barracuda' because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness."

In any case, the full, viral anti-Palin e-mail after the jump.


» Continue reading The anti-Palin e-mail

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Dear friends,

So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .

Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in common: their gender and their good looks. :)

You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .

Thanks,
Anne

ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

CLAIM VS FACT
*"Hockey mom": true for a few years.

*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since.

*"NRA supporter": absolutely true

*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).

*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.

*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation

*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.

*political maverick: not at all

*gutsy: absolutely!

*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.

*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no

*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.

*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!

*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.

*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents

*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.

*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

Anne Kilkenny
August 31, 2008

Posted by: DW | September 4, 2008 7:50 PM

Looks like the Republicans have found this elections' best person to have a beer with. The country should be very afraid.

Posted by: Boozin It Up | September 4, 2008 7:49 PM

Hate? Do you honestly think Democrats hate America? Are there only Republicans fighting for America in Iraq and Afganistan?
The only people I have seen writing the words hate towards any one is the Repubs spewing it out here.
Do us all a favor and remember we are still Americans and stop with the hate talk. I don't hate you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 7:49 PM

Having been a community organizer and know people who are community organizers, I am personally offended by Gov. Palin's remarks minimizing the work theydo. Community Organizers are the glue that holds a movement together and community together. They are often better leaders than the people that have "president" or "director" after their name. Organizers are the ones that have to bring a community together, inspire them that they can make the change they want, and lead them to a point where the community is empowered themselves, all the while raising money and recruiting people and negotiating with those that are in "power".
This is the a job that pays nothing, where violence is threatened and sometimes carried out against organizers, and you are working 10-15 hrs or more for months with no break.
So when Rudy Guiliani and Gov. Palin mocks a profession, they might want to know what the people who work in it do. Especially since the movements Republicans claim to be part of, the Civil Rights and Women's Movements, were built on the hard work and "actual responsibilities" of organizers.

Posted by: stina | September 4, 2008 7:49 PM

Saw it today. JESUS was a community organizer and Pontious Pilate was a governor. Simple truth....

Posted by: Amarillys | September 4, 2008 7:48 PM

If you're going to cite tracking polls, you cannot pick one out of the middle of several and say it is the one that reveals the "truth." The CBS tracking poll showed a tie today between Obama and McCain based on 734 registered voters. However, the notoriously conservative Rasmussen poll, based on 3000 likely voters showed Obama up by 5 and the Gallup Poll, based on 2771 registered voters showed Obama up by 7. All of these polls were done over the same three-day period, ending yesterday. So before everyone gets all hot about how Obama lost his bump, look at all the data.

Posted by: MyView4U | September 4, 2008 7:47 PM

Obama's foray into "community organizing," which is technically a branch of social work, put him face-to-face with the harsh realities of the common working man. His eloquent writing on the subject stands in sharp contrast to a bullying Palin and a McCain too old to be President and quite obviously undergoing mental decline. While Palin was trying to pressure underlings to fire an ex-relative and attending meetings of the "Alaska Seccessionist Party," Obama was busy discovering the roots and values that propelled him with the desire to seek positive change for all the people. Lest we wax too poletic about the good job of Palin's speech writers, let us remember her speech was mostly just a diatribe against "big government" once again. The same old "republican themes," beaten into the ground once again. If Palin were smart, she should just hang it up and go back to Alaska and the Caribou. Go back Ms. Palin before another daughter gets pregnant or hubbie philanders some more or hits the bottle again. Your not anywhere near prime time material. As for how you want to define Mr. Obama, at least you cannot put the words "White Trash," onto him, no matter how much you want to twist the definition that defines you and yours.

Posted by: Joseph | September 4, 2008 7:45 PM

The size of Obama's district is irrelevant. He was not ultimately responsible for anyone in it. That job fell to the mayors, city managers, and the Governor. The buck stopped with them. He was responsible for his one vote (when he chose to exercise it) in a legislature of many. The administrations were charged with signing or vetoing bills and otherwise using their executive authority to serve their citizens.

Posted by: MB | September 4, 2008 7:45 PM

Palin's attack on Community organizers does not need defending. I guess Obama would have more credibility if he went the same path as Palin via, Beauty Pageants and working for her husband, part-time fishing.

Posted by: beth | September 4, 2008 7:44 PM

What does not sit right for me is the fact that Republicans are lampooning the Democrats saying that they are "politicizing" Gov. Palin's children. Who, in their right mind, would bring a 4th month old infant, let alone with down syndrome, to a political convention with tens of thousands of people? Where's the babysitter? She's politicizing her own child because the only reason the child was there was to be in front of the cameras so people would hopefully be swayed by compassion and empathy. She put her own 4 moth year old out there! She's doing enough to politicize her own family.

Posted by: Robert B | September 4, 2008 7:43 PM

Julie,

I have news for you. Remember high school and those running for class offices. If you were very lucky, you got to hear speeches before you voted. It is an American tradition that usually begins early in life. If you do not listen to the speeches delivered by the candidates, how will you know where they say they stand or what they say they will do? It is obvious you cannot listen to the opposition to inform you. For me, I prefer to hear the candidate say it. Actually, the platform usually does not mean much.

What we do know is that the Republican speeches of the last 8 years have had usually opposite results. The President said in a state of the union message that he would not leave a debt for future generations. What in heaven's sake is an additional 4 trillion dollars in national debt?

It pays to listen to speeches. Then you have something to compare the subsequent actions to. Or do you get all of your news from the opposition?

Personally, I have been encouraged that Obama and Biden understand the problems that we face. I understand their programs and plans for dealing with these problems. I also appreciate the fact that they will listen to the American public. I like the fact that Obama has said more than once that it is about us, not him. All I have heard from McCain and Palin is that it is about them. Their program? Destroy the Democratic Party and Democrats. If they can do this, then they will rule with the same strategy as Bush II. Bush II has ruled as if half of us did not exist. As long as he got his votes in Congress, what did he care? As Barack said, "Enough." Mr. Jefferson would say, "Enough." I say, "Enough."

Posted by: Earl C | September 4, 2008 7:40 PM

Haven't you read? He despises being a community organizer.

Posted by: pete | September 4, 2008 7:38 PM

Wow what a smear and lie campaign McCain is now running with the newest liar Palin added to his team of degenerates.

Here is the real story Palin the shill and liar --

Obama Community Organizer
Palin Soccer Mom

Obama Harvard Law Professor
Palin Soccer Mom

Obama Illinois State Legistaltor
Palin Sports Caster (wow what qualifications for VP)

Obama United States Senator 3 years (USA)
Palin Governor 2 years of a state in middle of nowehere (Alaska)

Obama Presidential candidiate - 2 years
Palin Vice Presidential candidate - 1 week

or how about this one!

Joe Biden - Law Practice and City Counselman 3 years
Joe Biden - United States Senator 35 years (took office in 1973)

Sarah Palin - Alaska Governorer - 2 years

I don't think Govenor Palin has much to be bragging about!!

Posted by: Democrats 08 | September 4, 2008 7:38 PM

Al Jazeera has less censorship than this Demo shill site.

Posted by: Stockholder | September 4, 2008 7:37 PM

Would you all get over it please!

Dems ARE NOT, ARE NOT peeing in their pants over this pick! They are gathering in mass over it! She threatens every woman in this country with her ideology, she is a gimmick!
Obama has raised $8 million big ones since LAST FRIDAY and my husband and I just maxed out.
This woman wants to tell YOU how to live your life. We DO NOT WANT TO TELL YOU HOW TO LIVE YOURS, THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
Live and let live. Meanwhile, Sarah dear, ABSTINENCE DOES NOT WORK, LOOK AT YOURSELF AND YOUR 17 YR OLD DAUGHTER!
BUT YOU WANT TO TAKE EVERYONE ELSE'S RIGHTS AWAY FROM THEM
She is dangerous, that is the problem. SHE IS ALSO CROOKED AND UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR SO MANY THINGS, I AM SURPRISED SHE CAN SLEEP!
BUT SHE'S GOOD AT SLEEPING WITH OTHER MEN APPARENTLY, SHE SURE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ALL THOSE CHRISTIAN VALUES!
THERE IS A RECALL PETITION IN ALASKA NOW.
SHE IS A LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD AND SHE IS AS MEAN AS A MAGOT!
WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND SEND THE SAME PARTY BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE THAT CAUSED ALL THIS MISERY FOR SO MANY CITIZENS?
ONLY AN INSANE PERSON KEEPS DOING THE SAME THING AND EXPECTS DIFFERENT RESULTS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY. ANYONE VOTING:
MCSAME/THE PAIN, IS COMPLETELY INSANE THEMSELVES, GET HELP FAST!

Posted by: Kathrine | September 4, 2008 7:37 PM

Otto Focus,

No one gets more handouts from the federal government than the sugar-daddies who underwrite GOP campaigns.

No one has a greater sense of entitlement in this country than the people who underwrite the GOP.

Posted by: JP2 | September 4, 2008 7:36 PM

The Republicans only hate the America hating Demoncrats.

Posted by: ahBamachoo | September 4, 2008 7:36 PM

He is the first community organizer in history aspiring to be president. c'mon give the guy some credit.

Posted by: brigitte | September 4, 2008 7:36 PM

The only thing the Pubs hate is the America hating dimokrauts.

Posted by: bommbamma | September 4, 2008 7:35 PM

Palin’s got the “RIGHT” stuff.

"A small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer except that you have actual responsibilities."

Yes, and with those responsibilities comes accountability to the taxpayers that pay your salary. Also an accountability that PROHIBITS the MISUSE of your office. Except that Barack Obama has never been accused of misusing his office, at ANY level - it’s a shame that we can’t say that about McCain OR Palin. These two aren’t even in office yet and the cover-ups have already started. I guess with them, the more things change, the more they'll stay the same. And I’m confident Obama never racked up a $20 million debt as a community organizer.

None-the-less, it’s clear now that, combined, the McSame/Palin ticket will possess Bush/Cheney/Rove/Gonzales like qualities needed to continue the GOP successes (“actual responsibilities”) displayed during the last eight years, e.g., cover-ups, avoiding the press, attacking political enemies, deficit spending, misuse of office, smear campaigning, hypocrisy, spin, flip-flopping , loyalty oaths, etc.

Eight IS Enough!!!

Posted by: Lame McSame | September 4, 2008 7:34 PM

Nice she mocks goodness. Are there no community organizers within the Republican party?

Posted by: Sara B. | September 4, 2008 7:33 PM

Yup:

As a fan of Huffington Post, I'm sure you saw the article ridiculing Sarah and the GOP for staging nothing more than "polital theatre" last night.

They are on the money. Frankly, I was appalled because it was way over the top. They only thing that could have made it less real was if they, I dunno, staged it in a stadium with 80,000 fans and used Greek columns as a backdrop.

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 7:32 PM

Uhbama was a community rabble rouser working for the machine in Altged Gardens a tax consuming multi generational cess pool on the far Southside of Chicago. It had nothing to doo with the closing mills. Steel workers did not reside in the Gardens-only riff raff and professional welfare cheaters. Palin ran a town and runs a state. Uhbama has never handle a budget for anything lsarger than the Benjamin Michell doles out. Uhbama big money is handled by his Rezko's. Wonder if Tony will sing before his sentencing or will he have a South Side accident???

Posted by: Otto Focus | September 4, 2008 7:32 PM

Obama clearly isn't qualified according to his own spokesperson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A81BYHMLyYM

Posted by: Rufus | September 4, 2008 7:31 PM

I want to know haw many children William Ayers has?

Posted by: Superpower | September 4, 2008 7:30 PM

The Fraud Obama is a sitting duck on his lack of experience. Palin field dressed him last night as if he were a Moose in the headlights.

She is impressive, is an executive, is strong, is real and honest. Conversely, Obama is none of that and as such is very easily exposed.

If the media devoted a fraction of the time "vetting" him as they have her he would be sent back to South Chicago to renew his career as a Street Performer

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 7:30 PM

dwb,

Who says I was crediting Sarah Palin with the 340 point drop? That was the Lord's work -- a warning sign if you will. Ignore at your peril.

John 7:20,

You've got your chronology screwed up. Obama says his "wasted years" were in his teens -- not during his community organizing period.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070416/moberg

Posted by: JP2 | September 4, 2008 7:29 PM

DBC, at least I have earned the right to express my opinion. First of all, I know that certain "highly connected" individuals were able to pull national guard duty during Vietnam. If ashtma were an official reason for getting a deferment, so be it. Had Bush gone to war, perhaps he would have learned an appreciation for good intelligence. I know that General Westmoreland sold our country a bill of goods. At that time, he would be classified as the General Patreus of his day, except that the good general was caught lying to the government and the American people. Having had intelligence school training myself, I have some expertise in looking at and analyzing intelligence. Bush hyped the Iraq situation. I have never had any doubts. Like Barack, I was vocal in my own circle of friends.

By the way, at least the national guard can hold their heads up high since they have definitely been pulling a lot of Iraq duty. Bush has seen that the national guard will never again be called shirkers or only the guard of the wealthy. He should know. However, it is shameful the way we have cared for them on their return.

Posted by: Earl C | September 4, 2008 7:26 PM

Dear CRETIAN:

Please do not post any more stories or links to stories about any military victories in Iraq. It's accepted fact that the war is lost. I know because my newspapers have been telling me so for 3 years.

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 7:25 PM

What has Mr obama accomplished in his political life that would make him believe he deserves to be POTUS? I find him totally unfit for the job. No substance,zero accomplishments, just speeches and speeches.

Posted by: JULIE | September 4, 2008 7:23 PM

Last I checked it was Jesus who was the Community Organizer and the governor was Pontius Pilot.


VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN AND VOTE WITH GOD

Posted by: GOD IS VOTING FOR OBAMA | September 4, 2008 7:20 PM

A quick observation: No one on this board has yet been able to describe what Obama did as a community organizer. And there is a good reason for that. No one knows! Obama doesn't even know...check out his two autobiographies. He describes the time spent as an "unproductive" phase of his life.

Also, I find it quite amusing that the Dems are struggling so hard to compare resumes between Obama and Palin. In case you've forgotten, she's the VP. Your inexperienced candidate is actually -- and frighteningly -- at the top of the ticket.

Posted by: John | September 4, 2008 7:20 PM

I am tired of the "Who is qualified" to be president stuff from both parties. Abraham Lincoln would not be qualified by the standards people seem to apply--a few years in state leg. in frontier state and one term in the US House of Rep. Lets just run a ticket of Bush I and carter--the only people who are eligible to run who have experience in the office.

Constitutional requirements are only 3--35 years old, natural born citizen, and 14 years a resident in the US.

Posted by: Joe L. | September 4, 2008 7:19 PM

Dear 'yup':

The Huffington Post has as much credibility as the National Review when it comes to unbiased journalism. And exactly why should I be feeling like a putz?

Fun stuff today to see you guys panicking!

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 7:19 PM

This is not news worthy to the left media!!!
Victory In Anbar
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Iraq War: We interrupt coverage of Bristol Palin's pregnancy to announce that the U.S. has turned over control of Iraq's wild, wild west to Baghdad. Memo to Barack Obama: Soon you will have nothing left to surrender.


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On Monday, while Democrats waited to see if Hurricane Gustav would be another Katrina and the GOP juggled its convention schedule, U.S. commanders formally returned responsibility for security in Iraq's Anbar province to the Iraqi Army and police.

Maybe you missed it. The New York Times Web page had three stories on Bristol Palin. The Washington Post's online magazine, Slate, is running a "Name Bristol Palin's Baby" contest. And Us Weekly has "Babies, Lies and Scandal" on its cover.

Victory in Iraq can't compete in an environment where Bristol's boyfriend is more thoroughly investigated than Obama's lifelong association with Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers.

The media prefer to ignore how wrong Obama was on the major foreign policy issue of the Bush years. He opposed the war and the surge. He supported cutting off funding. He sponsored a bill to have U.S. troops withdraw in defeat by March of this year, their sacrifice in vain. His policies would have led to a humanitarian and strategic disaster.

"I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence," he said in 2007. "In fact, I think it will do the reverse." When confronted by ABC News with the success of the surge, asking if he would have supported it knowing what he knows now, Obama's answer was "No."

He also tried to explain away the progress in Iraq, implying it was mere coincidence that it happened during the surge. Obama spoke of "a combination of political factors inside of Iraq that then came right at the same time as terrific work by our troops."

Well, it was the "terrific work of our troops" that provided the security umbrella under which Sunnis and Shiites could reconcile and turn their wrath on the jihadists and not each other.

The extra troops allowed a take-and-hold strategy that convinced Iraqis that America wouldn't cut and run. It would later be called the "Anbar Awakening."

In 2006, al-Qaida in Iraq declared Baqouba to be the capital of the Islamic State in Iraq, and said it controlled both Anbar and Diyala. In January 2007, CNN's Michael Ware described Ramadi, a city of 500,000 and Anbar's capital, as "the true al-Qaida national headquarters."

Anbar province was once considered lost. More than a thousand Americans died there, a quarter of our total casualties. Anbar's second city, Fallujah, was the scene of the biggest battle of the war, in which nearly 100 Americans died, with 500 wounded. That was then. This is now.

Monday's ceremony was actually a formality. Since April, the Iraqi army and police have operated independently in Anbar with the primary responsibility for insurgency and crime.

The victory parade down Ramadi's main street Monday saw American soldiers watching from the sidelines, wearing neither body armor nor helmets, not even carrying their weapons.

"Not in our wildest dreams could we have imagined this," said Mowaffak al-Rubaie, the Iraqi national security adviser, who flew in from Baghdad. "Two or three years ago, had we suggested that the Iraqis could take responsibility, we would have been ridiculed, we would have been laughed at."

On Tuesday, General David Petraeus had another surprise, announcing that U.S. troops might be leaving Baghdad as early as next summer. Another defeat for the defeatists.

We love the smell of victory in the morning. Barack Obama, call your office.

Posted by: CRETIAN | September 4, 2008 7:17 PM

Community organizers know where to get the best drugs.

Posted by: ZippyinAnnapolis | September 4, 2008 7:17 PM

Dear JP2:

You made me laugh out loud. Eight days ago nobody outside Alaska knew who Sarah Palin was. Now you credit the sound of her voice with the ability to move major economic barometers. She truly must be a remarkable woman!

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 7:16 PM

His 2 years of community service fact check:"....he makes clear how frustrating and relatively unproductive the experience actually was."

Posted by: pete | September 4, 2008 7:16 PM

For the economists in our mist. I really appreciate someone else telling us about the DOW drop today. Wow. What a life! A perfectly flat to declining DOW for over eight years now. Republicans really know how to run the government. And this is after the FED has pumped billions of taxpayer money into Wall Street during the past few years to help out. I still wonder who is getting all of this money.

Perhaps Wall Street didn't hear greatness last night -- a 344-point loss. WOW! I am now about back to where I was 7 years ago. All gone. What an economy! The secret to Bill Clinton's growing economy: a balanced budget. Yep, that is what it was. The Republicans could not stand it. They did not like anything Clinton. They had to borrow another 4 trillion dollars since Jan 2001. Go figure.

Posted by: Earl C | September 4, 2008 7:15 PM

"The press loves 'free speech', unless of course it's a conservative woman doing the speaking. Then it's just 'mean-spirite' and 'hate-mongering'."

Posted by: dbw

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Oh, dbw, I really hate to make you look like a total putz. Truly. But why don't you just clickety-click your lil' ol' mouse right on this link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/jon-stewart-hits-karl-rov_n_123852.html

...watch the clip in there, and see what your own people have to say about all this

Posted by: yup | September 4, 2008 7:14 PM

Dear WHATRUSMOKIN:

Since you are obviously interested in 'facts', could you also post here all the 'fact-checking' columns written last Friday about Obama's and Biden's speeches?

Good luck finding any....

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 7:12 PM

Earl C said: "As a former Navy pilot myself, I do not begrudge Biden with his deferments from military duty. I do question someone like Bush who enlisted in the National Guard and has no proof that he successfully completed his duty."

Liberals continue to define hypocrisy. Biden was healthy enough to be a star athlete in high school, but suddenly wasn't healthy enough to enlist in the military because of "asthma". But true D's like Earl can excuse this, while berrating Bush.

When is one of the fine 'investigative journalists' at the Post going to ask Biden some a 'tough question'? Maybe when they get back from Juenau in November...

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 7:10 PM

What are the chances that McCain will clarify the assortment of lies told by Palin last night - about her own history and about Obama’s?

Fact check on Palin’s claims from the Anchorage Daily News:

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515517.html

Fact check from the St. Petersburg Times in FL:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/

Fact check from the Washington Post:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/

Posted by: WHATRUSMOKING | September 4, 2008 7:07 PM

How things have changed in 7 days. After last Thursday's coronation in Denver, the press had reached a point where they weren't even sure why we had to go through the formality of an election.

The press loves 'free speech', unless of course it's a conservative woman doing the speaking. Then it's just "mean-spirite" and "hate-mongering".

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 7:06 PM

I should report something that I saw yesterday. I went by the Obama headquarters to get free tickets for an already full gathering for Biden. I saw about a dozen white women in a group session. Another white woman was ahead of me at the front desk. In fact, there was only one other minority in the office at that that time. It would appear to me that the women are working for Obama. I was also pleased to see so many white backers in a city that has gone for Republicans by wide margins over the years.

I look for anecdotal evidence for how things are going locally. To date: 5 Obama bumper stickers to 1 for McCain. So far, all Obama bumper stickers that I have seen are on pickup trucks. This is a good sign. In yards, three Obama signs; none for McCain. Yesterday, I drove about 40 miles around my city of half a million souls, each with their own unique experiences in life.

I have not heard the ridicule, sarcasm, or meanness from any of the Democratic candidates that I have heard from the Republican candidates and their operatives. Yes, all kinds of people write on these blogs. Some are Republicans parading as Democrats and vice versa. To use a blog as a basis to slam one party or the other is baseless because the true identities of the bloggers are unknown. However, the Republicans are known for their dirty tricks.

As a former Navy pilot myself, I do not begrudge Biden with his deferments from military duty. I do question someone like Bush who enlisted in the National Guard and has no proof that he successfully completed his duty. From what I know and have seen, he should have been discharged dishonorably. Then again, look at Dick Cheney. A person has zero respect for military personnel if he sends them to war for hyped up reasons. Regardless of what is happening in Iraq today, the ends do not justify the means. Even if the troops come home today, our treasury is still decimated. Our military is in shambles. Our infrastructure is still deteriorating day by day with little or no repairs or updating.

And now we have Palin put in our faces to spew her invectives and words of deceit and ridicule. Really makes one proud to be an American.

Posted by: Earl C | September 4, 2008 7:04 PM

Palin speaks and a day later the Dow drops THREE HUNDRED AND FORTY points.

Vote McCain-Palin '08 and expect more of the same.

Posted by: JP2 | September 4, 2008 7:03 PM

'When is...' said: "If the Democrats had chosen someone with this shallow a resume, Republicans would be merciless."

Uh, you did. His name is Barack Obama, maybe you've heard of him. And he's actually at the TOP of your ticket instead of the bottom.

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 7:02 PM

Yeah, would've like to have seen her get into Harvard Law with the resume she had a couple of years out of college.

Posted by: mammyyel | September 4, 2008 7:01 PM

Ok, for those who want to Pretend that McCain and Palin are so great...well your own REPUBLICAN machine thinks Palin is a joke... Check Peggy Noonan from the Wall Street Journal and Mike Murphy discuss Palin...they did not know mics are on!!! OK, let me hear your thoughts on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lga4GP14llE

A little honesty is fun to hear

My rough Transcript

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Murphy: Um, you know, because, I come out of the blue swing state governor world. Engler, Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, I mean, and these guys, this is all like how you win a Texas Race race, just run it up, and it's not gonna work.

Noonan: It's Over.

Murphy: Still, McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech and do himself some good.

Todd: Don't you think this Palin pick is insulting to Kay Baily Hutchinson

Noonan: Saw kay this morning

Todd: She's(?) never looked comfortable up there..

Murphy: all bummed out.

Todd: I mean, is she really the most qualified woman they could turn to?

Noonan: The most qualified? No. I think they went for this, excuse me, political bullshXX about narratives amd youthfulness and the picture

Todd: Yeah, but what's the narrative

Murphy: I totally agree.

Noonan: Every time Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it.

Murphy: You know what's the worst thing about it, the greatest of McCain is no cynicism, and..

Murphy: This is cynical.

Todd: And as you called it, gimmicky.

Posted by: WHATRUSMOKING | September 4, 2008 7:00 PM

Dear cufflynk:

For all of us who are interested in knowing the facts, could you post here a list of all the major pieces of legislation that Obama authored, whether in Illinois or the US Senate?

"Co-sponsor" doesn't count, as any legislator can hitch their ride to someone else's idea (and frequently, they do).

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 7:00 PM

Why doesn't anybody throw back to the GOP the same words that Mr. Rove used to dismiss Tim Kaine?

CBS) Republican strategist Karl Rove said on Face The Nation Sunday that he expects presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama to choose a running mate based on political calculations, not the person's readiness for the job.

"I think he's going to make an intensely political choice, not a governing choice," Rove said. "He's going to view this through the prism of a candidate, not through the prism of president; that is to say, he's going to pick somebody that he thinks will on the margin help him in a state like Indiana or Missouri or Virginia. He's not going to be thinking big and broad about the responsibilities of president."

Rove singled out Virginia governor Tim Kaine, also a Face The Nation guest, as an example of such a pick.

"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America."

Rove continued: "So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States? What I'm concerned about is, can he bring me the electoral votes of the state of Virginia, the 13 electoral votes in Virginia?'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/10/ftn/main4336134.shtml

That's twice as long at Palin has been governor of Alaska and her little town is way smaller than Richmond. And, oh, there was that four year tour Kaine did as Lieutenant Governor.

Posted by: Peter | September 4, 2008 6:59 PM

Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.

Go Barack !

Posted by: PulSamsara | September 4, 2008 6:57 PM


It is actually comical watching folks try to defend this ridiculous pick by McCain. If the Democrats had chosen someone with this shallow a resume, Republicans would be merciless. And if Chelsea Clinton got pregnant as an unmarried teenager, Bill and Hillary would have been branded unfit parents by Dobson, Schlafly and the rest of the nuts.

Posted by: When is Palin doing a press conference? | September 4, 2008 6:57 PM

This is to all you ignorant and non informed posters. Obama passed and created several pieces of legislature during his tenure in the State and US senate. Stop blindly believing the Republican liars. Obama has accomplished more in his life than most people in this country and its a shame that Republicans find it so hard to give this man the respect that he deserves. Obama always gives respect where respect is due and isnt petty enough to blatantly lie about his opponnets as they do to him. Goodness always wins in the end. I dont want my country run by rotten people, whether theyre male or female.

Posted by: Cufflynk | September 4, 2008 6:54 PM

Judgment, intelligence, and ability to lead. These are the criteria the rest of the world expects from America in electing a president and vice president. All other comparative analyses fall by the wayside as just so much media chatter. It ocmes down to, Who do you trust with your children's children's future.

Posted by: Rob | September 4, 2008 6:53 PM

Why is this so hard for conservatives to figure out? Let me help:

- If you print an unsubstantiated story about a REPUBLICAN woman not being the mother of her baby, you are just doing 'investigative journalism'.

- If you compare your candidates lengthy and impressive record to the short and rather empty record of your opponents, you are "mean-spirited".

- If you question the ability of a REPUBLICAN woman to be a mom and Vice President at the same time, you are just 'asking the tough questions'.

- If you give facts in your speech about your oppononents political record, you are "hate-mongering".

- If you trivialize the position of Governor of one of the most important and strategic masses of land in our country, you are just trying to "assess the candidates ability to lead".

- If you quote factual information from your opponents economic plan, you are 'engaging in a smear campaign'.

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 6:53 PM

If you want to see what Karl Rove thinks about Mayoral experience and governorship, check out this priceless Jon Stewart video:

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2008/09/jon-stewart-ann.html

Posted by: icposse2000 | September 4, 2008 6:52 PM

Sarah Palin would deny the right to abortion to ALL women regardless of the circumstances (except in the case of the mothers imminent deat...thanks Palin) including both RAPE and INCEST. If indeed one of these women were to be raped then forced to have her child, she would be hard pressed to find much help in Alaska because Sarah Palin saw fit to cut funding to a program that offers support to unwed mothers. I'm sorry, Sarah, you are a leader, meant to serve the people who you are supposed to support, not to unilaterally push your agenda based on your personal beliefs. If you're going to take away a woman's right to choose, couldn't you at the very least see to it that those women are supported with their children? Pitbull indeed, you make me physically ill.

Posted by: mbee | September 4, 2008 6:51 PM

"Obama did nothing"?

You mean he didn't dump $20 million worth of debt on a small town of less than 9,000?

He didn't get massive handouts from the federal government and then LIE about what he did with the money?

He isn't facing an ongoing ethics investigation after only 20 months in office?

Of course he isn't.

Those are the qualities that only merit promotion and admiration in Republican circles.

Posted by: JP2 | September 4, 2008 6:50 PM

For all we have known, 20 years ago, the main duty of a community organizer may have been to drive the old folks around in a van...Not that there is anything wrong with it.

Posted by: pete | September 4, 2008 6:50 PM

While Obama was community organizing and helping real people cope with the struggles and problems in their lives, Palin was a damned second rate sportscaster. Yeah that sure qualifies her to run the country. And Im sure this country has a shortage of people who can dress a moose, that experience will really help with the high price of gas. And that beauty pageant experience will come in handy when she has to meet with middle eastern leaders (oh thats right she just got her passport in 07). Shes a nobody, from nowhere who is out of her league and in November she'll have to pack her moose and go back to nowhere land with her kids and redneck son in law.

Posted by: Cufflynk | September 4, 2008 6:49 PM

Two years is a very long time when you're in the trenches, working with people's most basic survival issues. Ask any teacher, nurse, or first responder.

One of the big reasons I support Obama is my belief--and his--in the value and importance of community service. Community activism is one example of this.

Now, earlier this week, we heard the Republicans say that community service is noble, if fact, absolutely vital to the fabric of our country. Now they are turning around and denigrating those who do the work--many, many of whom are women.

This is not only a flip-flop (or hypocrisy), but also an insult to those who give of their time to others. So, McCain, which is it--is community service really of value or not?

Posted by: tellthetruth | September 4, 2008 6:48 PM

If Executive experience is criteria, Gov.Palin has more of it than Bob Dole and Sen.McCain. The only republican presidential candidate who had more executive experience in the recent history is Gov.George W. Bush before he became president. We surely know how that turned out to be.

Posted by: srikanth | September 4, 2008 6:47 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) ― An estimated 123 people were shot and killed over the summer. That's nearly double the number of soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period.

Seems as though the Street Performer needs to return to his roots....he left chaos.

Posted by: Sue | September 4, 2008 6:45 PM

Ah, but "the fix" is in, you see. Because while Obama's constituents may have outnumbered Palin's, Obama had nothing to show for his time in office, and was responsible for nothing. While Palin made decisions virtually every day that impacted people's lives; and as Governor of Alaska her decisions had even more impact. But the very fact that she was responsible for making those decisions ranks her head and shoulders above Obama, who has never been responsible for anything in his life except making speeches and parsing words.

Posted by: Larrywp | September 4, 2008 6:43 PM

Palin is obviously a crazed egomanic which is apparent in this short week in which we've watched her 1.Hide her daughters pregnancy until internet rumors made her fess up. 2. Put a shotgun (she loves guns) to the head of her daughters babys daddy and say theyre getting married in order to keep up the good family image. 3. Parade her daughter and almost son in law around to be gawked. 4. Belittle Obamas resume, although hers is the equivalent of a GED.
5 Insult millions of community organizers across this world with her speech and comments. Please America wake up, this chick is a loser just like McCain.

Posted by: Cufflynk | September 4, 2008 6:42 PM

As it now turns out, he was a community organizer for a very short 2 years from the age of 24 to 26. And that was 20 years ago.
Obama's service to the community must have been next to nothing if they have to put great emphasis on this part in his authorized biography.

Posted by: pete | September 4, 2008 6:40 PM

Being Mayor/Govenor of a small town who has more moose than people does not qualify you to be POTUS. The reason Obama ran a successful campaign is because of his "community organizer" skills. Think about it, that's why his campaign has won because he has experience organizing and getting what he wants accomplished. To say that it doesn't mean anything is an insult to millions of people who work in their community like me. Obama is smart and knowlegdeable about the issues and how to go about fixing them that is more important than so called experience like anything can prepare you to be president. RNC does not believe in change. They look out only for each other. I don't care who McCain picked as his VP personally. He could have picked Bozo the clown and Republicans would be saying he has more clown experience than Obama. Please!

Posted by: Carol | September 4, 2008 6:37 PM

Like someone on WaPo has already pointed out Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor.

Posted by: Terry | September 4, 2008 6:37 PM

Its funny that the Republicans only claim to fame is to make constant attacks on Obama. While they may be cute to the rest of the koolaid drinkers, undecided and independent voters arent that impressed. If Obama wasnt running Palin wouldnt have had anything to say in her speech. If the Republicans spent more time explaining their vision for the country and less time trashing Obama, we would actually have something to compare. Its sad that Obama always takes the high road and McCain and now Palin stay dirty in the gutter with ignorant insults. They are sad and they will lose badly in November. Watch

Posted by: Cufflynk | September 4, 2008 6:36 PM

Nooooo. But do you actually believe a small-town mayor could be VP?? Or a Gov of a small town in Alaska?? Just think about that for a second. Behind the oldest candidate to ever be nominated on a major party ticket?? Plus, I don't recall Barack Obama ever being patronizing to mayors - but she did sound off quite ignorantly on community organizing. It's pretty sad, when a VP nominee is patronizing to the community they are supposed to serve. Sorry some of us actually believe we can come together to demand change behind a candidate - crazy thought. Honestly we should all be offended and not defend her for her negative attacks, because regardless of what side you are on, last night she was offensive to all communities who think they can make their neighborhods better, by organizing. But I guess that's what happens when you're only banking on a few to get you into office - and when you're selfish and willing to parade your pregnant daughter around the stage for votes.

Posted by: kmenende | September 4, 2008 6:36 PM

Partisans from either side will argue favorably for their own and against the opposition. Where this campaign will be decided is in the political demographics of this huge, diverse nation. Democrats have been on the upswing for the past four years, and now have a clear lead in party affiliation and voter registration. Independents are leaning more and more toward the Democrats and away from the Republicans. Among the young, the Democratic Party is growing by leaps and bounds beyond the Republican Party.

So what have the two parties done to work that demographic to their electoral advantage?

The Obama-Biden ticket presented an incredibly inclusive and inspiring party convention that managed to comfort independents and undecideds, as well as many old-time Republicans who have grown very weary of those who have hi-jacked the party of Eisenhower (including Eisenhower's grand-daughter).

The McCain-Palin ticket is presenting an outrageously snarky and sarcastic convention that throws red meat to its hard-core base while managing to alienate, even scare, those outside this white rural evangelical Taliban.

We can make all the comments we want here as partisan debaters. But the election is all but over in the simple demographic numbers, and Sarah Palin cinched that loss last night.

Three cheers for community organizers!

Posted by: TerryOakland | September 4, 2008 6:35 PM

Palin's distinguished college education:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-cvn-palin-education,0,1503213.story

I am sure her idea of post-graduate community service amounted to hunting helpless animals and adding to the population of her town by having babies. She's fantastic! Thanks McCain, for taking the position of Vice President so seriously!

Posted by: Maria | September 4, 2008 6:34 PM

Today's code word is;

'Executive'

When the Rep-Scums say it, it is pronounced;

Egg zek uh tiv

Let's all say it together.

If you can get this word and 'oil company' into the same sentence, then what do you have?

The Rep-Scum HERO DICK CHENEY!!!

The goal is to cast Palin as Cheney's natural successor.

Yippee everyone!

Posted by: Executive | September 4, 2008 6:33 PM

Community organizers always know where to buy the best drugs--think about it.

Posted by: ZippyinAnnapolis | September 4, 2008 6:33 PM

Palin only shows more bad judgment by John McCain. It's not suprizing that the right wingers are going nuts over her-they went nuts over and are still nuts over George W. Bush the worst president in history.Bush/Cheney and the rightwingers have done more to destroy our way of life than any aministration in history. they are corrupt to the bone and should never be allowed to be in the majority again.I don't like the cowardly democrats either if they had any guts they would have impeached Bush/Cheney. We need a good strong independent part in the United States both the democrats and republicans have out lived their usefulness and neither party cares about the people

Posted by: clyde | September 4, 2008 6:32 PM

hold the phone. Wasn't Illinois state senate a part time position.

Obama has zero diret responsibility in governing anything.

Obama is a fraud and he will be exposed as a person who made up his resume.

the country cannot afford Obama

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | September 4, 2008 6:31 PM

Thank God for Sarah Palin. She had the guts to say what 18,000,000 of us have been thinking about this election. What a lady.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 6:31 PM

EarlC said: "At no time have the Democrats berated the experiences of the Republican candidates."

And with that sentence vanished any credibility for the rest of your post.

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 6:30 PM

I can't believe all you Democrats.

For the past eight years you have regularly and viciously belittled George Bush and now you're offended by sarcasm?

Posted by: Oprah | September 4, 2008 6:30 PM

Yes, I asked Biden why he accepted 5 deferments.

He said he could see the future and he felt he had to stay back in the states so he could teach Dick Cheney how to shoot and George Bush how to read & speak.

Senator Biden regretfully informed me that, after herculean efforts, he failed at both endeavors. His two pupils were convinced that, when the time came, GOD would do it for them.

Posted by: MarinesAgainstMcCain | September 4, 2008 6:28 PM

Obama's experience with community organizing amounted shaking down northsiders. Organizing? Indeed.

Posted by: Oprah | September 4, 2008 6:28 PM

let's see, how many employees did Obama oversee as a state senator? What was his budget? How many decisions did he have to make?

Posted by: dsimm | September 4, 2008 6:27 PM

Rep. Lynn Westmoreland called Obama uppity. He not only owes Obama an opology but he owes the republican party and America an opology. In the meantime, I think I'll "UP" my donation to the Obama camp.

Posted by: The 10 Commandment Man said what? | September 4, 2008 6:27 PM

Is anyone else struck by how hilarious it is that the Democrats have been reduced to arguing whether or not Obama is more experienced than Palin?

Just shows how HUGE the gap is between Obama and McCain when it comes to experience and preparedness to serve as President.

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 6:27 PM

At not time have the Democrats berated the experiences of the Republican candidates. We all know that we all have experiences in life that are usually unique to our own life. For me to ridicule someone else's life experiences is to deny them their humanity. However, there is no shame in the Republican Party. It is win at any price. Personal integrity and truthfulness are foreign to the Republican attack machine. There is little wonder why the U.S.A is in such a pitiful state in world politics today. No wonder that we had Abu Gureb and Guantanamo experiences. No wonder that Palin basically called herself a pitbull with lipstick last night.

Where is all of this vitriol leading us? What has happened to Christian principles? Take a look at the Democratic Convention. Take a look at the Republican Convention. Review the various speeches. In which convention would Jesus find a home? I know the answer. Do you?

At this point, the Republicans stand for:

No abortion for any reason
Teenage pregnancy
DUI
illegal fishing
low-road politics
"me"
big egos
sarcasm

Posted by: Earl C | September 4, 2008 6:26 PM

Hey, you Obama supporters.

If your guy is so much better than Sarah Palin, why are you getting so worked up?

Posted by: Oprah | September 4, 2008 6:24 PM

Her experience? Do you mean the same experience that GW brought with him as the Republican Governor of Texas for six years? Ummmm, look what all that "experience" has done for this country. They need to start talking qualifications rather than experience...like their education. Didn't McCain graduate fourth from the bottom of his call at the naval academy? Now I see that Palin needed 6 years and 5 colleges to finish a bachelor's. Think I'll stake my vote on a juris doctorate from Harvard.

Posted by: pufflina | September 4, 2008 6:24 PM

I can't believe this fruitcake is the most qualified Republican they could find. Heaven help us if she gets her finger on the button.

“Do you believe we’re in the last days? After listening to Newt Gingrich and the prime minister of Israel and a number of others at our gathering, I became convinced, and I have been convinced for some time. We are living in the last days. These are incredible times to live in.” - Mike Rose, Palin's pastor

Posted by: McBain | September 4, 2008 6:23 PM

Damn "community." Who needs it? Sounds like a liberal plot to me! Only big-city elitists have communities!

Posted by: BB | September 4, 2008 6:23 PM

Funny story there Marineguy;

I was a navy pilot. One time I was flying with McCain over North Vietnam. McCain was my wingman. (his handle was 'apronstrings' because he would start fights then threaten to have his dad can us - but that's another story)

Anyhoo, we get in a furrball with about a dozen MiG21's. These guys were the real deal - none of those goofballs in the older MiG 17's - and what does McCain do? McCain FREAKS OUT and SPLITS. I have to take them on myself. I eventually got shot down and had to E&E (escape and evade) winding my way through Laos and eventually found refuge in Thailand. I ended up sitting out the last years of the war in a cathouse in Bangkok.

But I'll never forget the day John McCain let me down.

Posted by: Navy Pilot | September 4, 2008 6:23 PM

Dear "MarinesAgainstMcCain":
Have you asked Biden yet why he accepted 5 deferrments while you were putting your life at risk for us in Vietnam?

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 6:23 PM

mick dorris says:
With sass and wit, sarcasm and sincerity, and courage and strength, Sarah Palin last night showed us a new model of female politician.

Her family stories were genuine and real. Her commitment to special-needs children was moving. Her contempt for special interests was obvious. And her putdowns of Barack Obama's rhetoric and her praise of John McCain's character and achievements were welcome and well delivered.

Many women look bad when they attack their opponents, too often seeming strident and shrill. But Palin was funny and irreverant, with a biting wit and a joy of combat that was exhilarating to watch.

Sometimes she reminded us of the hockey mom she is. Other times, she was an American Margaret Thatcher — mobilizing humor and biting satire to mock the opposition.

Where Hillary Clinton has but two speeds — full forward and stop — Palin displayed a range of rhetoric, emotion and language that sometimes evoked moving patriotism, at other times hilarious irony, and, frequently, a strong dose of common sense.

If her style in attacking and mocking her opponent was Thatcher-esque, her range of rhetorical style was Rooseveltian. She is, in fact, one of the best public speakers in our politics today.

Now the Democrats are stuck in a trap. They've demeaned, patronized and smeared a woman who's well on her way to becoming very, very popular. Her speech will create legions of fans; the Democratic smears of the last few days will create, for Obama, legions of enemies.

This man who dedicated two years to stopping a woman from being president now has to answer for spending two months stopping one from becoming vice president — a task he hopes to accomplish using women's votes.

Remember — the swing vote in this election are single moms. Just as the soccer moms dominated in 1996 and security moms in 2004, now unmarried women, mostly with children, will determine the outcome of the 2008 race. And they're finding in Sarah Palin an advocate whose life isn't far different from their own and whose priorities mirror theirs.

As withering in her contempt for the country-club elites of the Republican establishment as for the pandering of the Democrats, Palin stands in stark contrast to the inherited elitism of the Bushes, the Romneys and the Kennedys. She's a woman of the people.

Was this a Republican attacking big oil? Was it the nominee for vice president of a major party who laced into earmarks and lobbyists and PACs? Yes it was — and how refreshing!

In her sincere embrace of her family and her nonjudgmental introduction of her pregnant daughter, Palin won the hearts of many single moms. By evoking life in a modest, middle-class town, she established an empathy with voters akin to what Bill Clinton built when he ate at McDonald's.

How are the Democrats to live down their assaults on Sarah? How not to seem the enemies of the very voters they have to get?

Strategically, Palin achieved the convention's core goal: to show how McCain is not a clone of George Bush, but a man of the people eager for change and demanding of reforms.

Now the gap between Obama and McCain is not so wide. Now it is clear that they both stand for change.

So now the fear of a naive and untried Obama leading the nation through perilous times at home and abroad can work to drive voters over the narrower synapse and get them to vote for McCain.

Mission accomplished, Sarah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pozx3svDzrE

Posted by: sandy beach | September 4, 2008 6:23 PM

Perhaps this appears in other posts. Did Mr. MacGillis miss the emails sent by Barack Obama and Davod Pflouffe. They point out that community organizing offers a way for people to be heard outside the political process. It has enabled the labor, women's and civil rights movements to press for change even as the government has shut them out. Giuliani and Palin -- by extension the Republican Party -- were insulting all of those who have turned to community organizations to be heard.

Finally, Obama's commitment to the methods of his community organizing years have led to his emphasis upon voter registration. He has used the web to great effect to bring people together. The Republicans envy that type of organization and, should Obama win in November, his organizing methods will be the key to victory.

Posted by: dcmuse | September 4, 2008 6:21 PM

Here's a riddle for you:

Q: When is someone that raises the local sales tax in order to build a hockey stadium not a tax-and-spend (expletive)?

A: When Mayor Palin does it!

Posted by: Thevenin | September 4, 2008 6:21 PM

Just to make sure I have this straight, according to the Dem's on this site it's ok to degrade thousands of small town mayors for days on end, but when one of those small town mayors strikes back in defense it's 'mean-spirited' and 'demeaning' to all those community organizers?

Posted by: dbw | September 4, 2008 6:20 PM

On her executive experience commanding the National Guard:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/826428587.html

Posted by: dhigginb2002 | September 4, 2008 6:17 PM

I believe it was the Republicans that started the Palin vs. Obama experience debate. I also think that what we can take home from this debate is that the Democrats have selected two experienced and ready candidates whereas the Republicans have, irresponsibly, selected the oldest potential president-elect and a relative novice who represents the fringe of the party. You are left with your venom, lies, spin and "liberal" conspiracy theories. You ruined the country with Rove and you still resort to Rove. Good luck! The American people have their eyes open this election.

Posted by: Jeremy | September 4, 2008 6:17 PM

I was a marine in Vietnam serving near DaNang.

Shortly after McCain got captured, all of our installations began coming under extremely accurate artillery fire.

What was so surprising was that these were REAR areas that the NVA could not have seen.

We found out later that that freekin' John McCain had spilled his guts when he got captured. John McCain told the NVA exactly where everything was. John new because he flew over our base so many times.

The Marines, those that survived anyway, are no longer supporting John 'songbird' McCain for President of our great nation.

Semper Fidelis
Always Faithful (unlike John McCain)

Posted by: MarinesAgainstMcCain | September 4, 2008 6:15 PM

Barry Hussein's (aka Senator Purple Lips) devotees must be wetting themselves at this point. I think they realize that his star is beginning to fade and he won't be able "to seal the deal". I think it is amazing with all his positive press coverage and the suplus in his campaign coffers that he is still neck-in-neck with McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 6:14 PM

"[These petty politics have] worked before, because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping and settle for what you already know.

"I know there are those who dismiss [the ideas of change and hope] as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer, and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values.

"And that's to be expected, because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.

"If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things."

A big election about small things.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 6:13 PM

gixmo,

What about Obama's experience?

A president makes decisions that center around three major areas:

1. Foreign policy.
2. Economic and domestic policy.
3. Constitutional issues.

In reference to #1 -- Obama has a short-record in terms of policy statements, but unlike Palin, he does have one, so we can evaluate his judgment.

On Iraq -- his judgment proved correct regarding a drawn out occupation that distracted from the fight in Afghanistan; which would do nothing to resolve the underlying causes of international terrorism; and which would do nothing to solve the issue of energy dependence on the Middle East. That was in 2002 -- 6 years ago.

On Afghanistan -- Obama has on the record judgments going to back to 2002. He was ridiculed as naive for suggesting that the U.S. might need to act unilaterally in the border Afghanistan-Pakistan border region by McCain, Bush, and even some members of his own party. Guess what we did this week in the border region of Afghanistan? (As a side note, I'd be curious to know whether McCain agrees with Bush's actions last week).

Obama has been ahead of the curve on nuclear proliferation issues; and energy and technology policy -- all of which tie into national security and economic policy.

2. Do you know who Paul Volcker is? If not, go to an encyclopedia.

If Paul Volcker thinks Obama has good economic judgment and policy prescriptions, I'll pay attention.

I could go into this one in more detail, but this is already running too long.

3. Constitutional issues have been a major issue with THIS president -- e.g. a president who has shown disregard for the Constitution and made a mockery of the sacrifices that generations have made in its name and the values articulated within it.

It'll be nice for a change to have a president who has long experience with these issues and a deep appreciation for exactly how the Constitution works, and why it is so important.

Posted by: JP2 | September 4, 2008 6:12 PM

That everyone keeps touting her 'experience' as head of the National Guard is such a hoot. Doesn't anyone know that about 95% of what happens in the National Guard is because of Federal orders and funding? She's only the commander in chief of the Guard so they can be activated for local disasters. Otherwise they are a reserve force of the U.S. Army or Air Force. That's why so many Guard personnel are in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Do you think any governors ordered their units overseas? Nope. It's the President. That's who owns the Guard. He just lets the governors play with them until they're needed in the nation's defense. Running the National Guard... My a$$. Here's a question: How much of her tenure has her Guard division spent overseas? Subtract that from her 20 months of 'experience running the Guard'.

Posted by: dhigginb2002 | September 4, 2008 6:11 PM

Saw it today: "Jesus was a community organizer, and Pontius Pilate was a governor." Well, it's true....

Posted by: Enemy of Crime | September 4, 2008 6:09 PM

Okay, since the press won't do it's job, here's my reply to all of you who question Obama's State Senate career: From Wikipedia: Barack Obama, State legislator, 1997–2004

Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.[28] He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare.[29] In 2001, as co-chairman of the bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, Obama supported Republican Governor Ryan's payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures,[30] and in 2003, Obama sponsored and led unanimous, bipartisan passage of legislation to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained and legislation making Illinois the first state to mandate videotaping of homicide interrogations.[29][31]

Obama was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998, and again in 2002.[32] In 2000, he lost a Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives to four-term incumbent Bobby Rush by a margin of two to one.[33][34]

In January 2003, Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee when Democrats, after a decade in the minority, regained a majority.[35] During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, police representatives credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting death penalty reforms.

Now let me guess, Wikipedia is a tool of the liberal elites, right? So convenient when you ignore any source of information that disagrees with you. Your tin foil hats are in the mail.

Posted by: Peter | September 4, 2008 6:08 PM

ALASKA IS THE ONLY SATE THAT PAY YOU TO LIVE IN THERE. IT IS A WELFARE STATE AND PALIN IS JUST TALKING BULL WHEN SHE SAID THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD PAY NO ROLE IN YOUR LIFE.

Posted by: naranjayo | September 4, 2008 6:08 PM

I was struck by the Republican disdain for community organizing. I am also struck by Obama's tepid reaction.

By insulting community organizers, and comparing them unfavorably with government officials, the "small government" candidate displays a curious attitude for the Republicans, who usually are eager to promote voluntarism.

Obama, where are you? The Republicans have insulted every service organization in America: The Rotarians, the Kiwanis, the Knights of Columbus, the Boys and Girls Clubs, the P.T.A., the church food drive, you name it.

Besides: Jesus Christ was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor.

Posted by: Pluck | September 4, 2008 6:07 PM

this comparing of resumes is absurd - actually, palin has more 'executive' experience than obama, biden, and mccain combined - more than jfk had before his presidency! - if you take that ludicrous argument to its logical conclusion

Posted by: muslit | September 4, 2008 6:07 PM

this comparing of resumes is absurd - actually, palin has more 'executive' experience than obama, biden, and mccain combined - more than jfk had before his presidency! - if you take that ludicrous argument to its logical conclusion

Posted by: muslit | September 4, 2008 6:07 PM

this comparing of resumes is absurd - actually, palin has more 'executive' experience than obama, biden, and mccain combined - more than jfk had before his presidency! - if you take that ludicrous argument to its logical conclusion

Posted by: muslit | September 4, 2008 6:07 PM

this comparing of resumes is absurd - actually, palin has more 'executive' experience than obama, biden, and mccain combined - more than jfk had before his presidency! - if you take that ludicrous argument to its logical conclusion

Posted by: muslit | September 4, 2008 6:07 PM

this comparing of resumes is absurd - actually, palin has more 'executive' experience than obama, biden, and mccain combined - more than jfk had before his presidency! - if you take that ludicrous argument to its logical conclusion

Posted by: muslit | September 4, 2008 6:07 PM

this comparing of resumes is absurd - actually, palin has more 'executive' experience than obama, biden, and mccain combined - more than jfk had before his presidency! - if you take that ludicrous argument to its logical conclusion

Posted by: muslit | September 4, 2008 6:07 PM

this comparing of resumes is absurd - actually, palin has more 'executive' experience than obama, biden, and mccain combined - more than jfk had before his presidency! - if you take that ludicrous argument to its logical conclusion

Posted by: muslit | September 4, 2008 6:07 PM

this comparing of resumes is absurd - actually, palin has more 'executive' experience than obama, biden, and mccain combined - more than jfk had before his presidency! - if you take that ludicrous argument to its logical conclusion

Posted by: muslit | September 4, 2008 6:07 PM

this comparing of resumes is absurd - actually, palin has more 'executive' experience than obama, biden, and mccain combined - more than jfk had before his presidency! - if you take that ludicrous argument to its logical conclusion

Posted by: muslit | September 4, 2008 6:07 PM

At best, this article makes a fair case of why the Democratic nominee for President might have more substantial experience than the GOP vice presidential nominee.

And, the fact that Gov. Palin--who pundits lambast as a neophyte--is debatably equally experienced to Mr. Obama, does not boad well for the latter's prospects against the GOP nominee who really matters, Sen. McCain.

http://thealtamesa.blogspot.com/2008/08/audacity-of-fraud.html

Posted by: La Alta Mesa | September 4, 2008 6:05 PM

Barry Hussein's (aka Senator Purple Lips)devotees must be wetting themselves at this point. I think they realize that his star is beginning to fade and he won't be able "to seal the deal". I think it is amazing with all his positive press coverage and the suplus in his campaign coffers that he is still neck-in-neck with McCain.

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | September 4, 2008 6:05 PM

Every Republican friend I have talked to today is leaving the Party. Some will vote for Obama, some for Nadar, and some not at all.

But they were very clear. THEY ARE NOT VOTING MCCAIN/PALIN.

They are disgusted by the hateful speeches they heard last night and confused by Joe Lieberman's presence.

Posted by: there is no anonymous anymore | September 4, 2008 6:03 PM

The Backlash Has Begun...I can't stop laughing...

CBS Poll: McCain, Obama Tied
McCain Closes Eight-Point Gap From Poll Taken Last Weekend

Comments Comments459

Sept. 4, 2008

CBS) The presidential race between Barack Obama and John McCain is now even at 42 percent, according to a new CBS News poll conducted Monday-Wednesday of this week. Twelve percent are undecided according to the poll, and one percent said they wouldn't vote.

This is in contrast to a poll conducted last weekend, where the Obama-Biden ticket led McCain-Palin by eight points, 48 percent to 40 percent.

McCain has also closed the enthusiasm gap some with Obama, but it still exists. Fifty-five percent of Obama's supporters are enthusiastic about their choice, and now so are 35% of McCain's. Last weekend, just 25 percent of McCain's supporters were enthusiastic about him, compared to 67 of Obama's supporters.

This week's polling continues to show voters waiting to decide about Sarah Palin (see yesterday's poll on Palin). But in interviewing done yesterday, 83 percent of registered voters said that spouse and family of a candidate will not affect their votes.

Other factors within the race and overall opinions of the candidates, however, have remained similar from this weekend.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/opinion/polls/main4416798.shtml

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 6:03 PM

Barry Hussein's (aka Senator Purple Lips)devotees must be wetting themselves at this point. I think they realize that his star is beginning to fade and he won't be able "to seal the deal". I think it is amazing with all his positive press coverage and the suplus in his campaign coffers that he is still neck-in-neck with McCain.

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | September 4, 2008 6:00 PM

Every Republican friend I have talked to today is leaving the Party. Some will vote for Obama, some for Nadar, and some not at all.

But they were very clear. THEY ARE NOT VOTING MCCAIN/PALIN.

They are disgusted by the hateful speeches they heard last night and confused by Joe Lieberman's presence.

Posted by: there is no anonymous anymore | September 4, 2008 6:00 PM

senatorial experience is no substistute for executive experience. Senators talk the talk but don't have to walk the walk. Executives are responsible for making the tough decision which sometimes can even be unpopular. Palin demonstrated her qualification in that capacity. Obama/Biden 0. Community service is noble and respectable. I don't think Palin belittled that role. She only call it what it is and what it is not. Just like you can't use a bus driver experience to qualify to fly a plane.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 6:00 PM

So taking it a step further, I guess you could compare Barack's time as a community organizer with her time as a beauty queen.

Posted by: Phil | September 4, 2008 5:59 PM

Umm...wasn't Jesus a community organizer?

How nice that Palin presented herself as someone with compassion for unwed mothers (well, Bristol, anyway), who will be an advocate for special-needs families, and who supports alternative energy sources.

I just wish she'd demonstrated that up here in Alaska. This June she cut the budget of Anchorage's home for youths and unwed mothers by 20 percent. This year she eliminated research money for creating alternative energy sources, also eliminating an important matching federal grant. And since she's been governor, she's cut the budget for the state's schools and programs for students with developmental problems by 62 percent.

The good news is that she's a maverick who is headed to Washington to throw out those pesky Republicans because that's real change that people can believe, not the same old Republican "compassionate conservatism."

Posted by: BlueDog1 | September 4, 2008 5:57 PM

Community organizers do great work and give a voice to the most needy. Palin didn't just insult Obama, but many many hard working people.

Posted by: Social Worker | September 4, 2008 5:56 PM

Creationists are out in force today.

Touting family values with an unwed pregnant teen.

Touting foreign policy experience with a 2007 passport.

Laughable if it also wasn't so sad.

Posted by: Ireland stop-over | September 4, 2008 5:56 PM

Community organizing vs. lobbying for federal earmarks.

Which shows more concern for working Americans?

Posted by: Garak | September 4, 2008 5:55 PM

It is good to know that Obama is creating all those good paying jobs in his campaign. Those are jobs we can believe in.
http://www.bop-o-rama.com
Yeah the DOW did fall today. There goes all that Obama Capital Gains Tax revenue!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 5:55 PM

@Karla Martinson:

Great line - "Tonya Harding with a speechwriter"!

Well done and well said. Thanks for the chuckle and needed comic relief from reading all of these brainwashed Palin synchophants/posters

Posted by: roje | September 4, 2008 5:53 PM

It's community service that's going to elect Obama the next president of the US. And watch the donations go up and up.

Posted by: What a Gift | September 4, 2008 5:52 PM

Seeing Obama try to prove he has more experience than the Republican Vice-Presidential candidate through his MainStreamMedia mouthpieces -- PRICELESS!

Posted by: Rufus | September 4, 2008 5:52 PM

SARAH PALIN IS NOT IN THE POSITION TO BE MOCKING ANYONE---

SHE IS THE BIGGEST JOKE IN AMERICA TODAY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioGC40_AWhs

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 5:51 PM

"If Palin's two terms as mayor are chronologically equivalent to anything in Obama's biography, it is to his eight years in the Illinois State Senate..."

Since when does being a state senator have the same responsibilities as a governor? The Governorship is an executive position (like the Presidency), a state senator is in the legislative branch of government. A state senator does not head the National Guard, the Governor does. The Governor is responsible for putting together a budget and running overseeing the state government functions. A state senator is also not a full time position like the Governorship is.

Comparing the roles of a state senator to a governor is comparing apples to oranges.

Posted by: Alan | September 4, 2008 5:50 PM

Great post! Thanks!

"Last night we saw Tonya Harding with a speechwriter. Palin offered almost nothing of substance. She's positive we should be paranoid. She mocked constitutional rights. Well screw you, Nananook of the Nazis. ...."

Posted by: Karla Martinson | September 4, 2008 5:20 PM

Posted by: abqcleve | September 4, 2008 5:50 PM

There will be movies and books written about this before we know it....The WORST political blunder in the history of this country.

John McCain allows the right wing of his party to not only PICK HIS CANDIDATE, but control him like a puppet!!

Michael Moore will have a field day!!!!

Posted by: Bob | September 4, 2008 5:49 PM

Obama did the community organizer thing to brush up his resume for Harvard.
Community service is a well known strategy among Harvard applicants

Posted by: mani | September 4, 2008 5:48 PM

I'm pretty sure Gov. Palin has been on JENNY Craig a couple of times. Obama might work out all right.

Posted by: Bennie J | September 4, 2008 5:47 PM

Sarah Palin--

PTA Mom, Pittbull in Pantyhose, NOT EVEN REMOTELY QUALIFIED FOR VP!

She is being parodied all over the internet, and some of them are so close to being reality, you wont believe!

That NEVER would have happened to Hillary, who love her or hate her, was always taken seriously.

Here is our GAL!

BRISTOL!!!

"Go breast feed your brother", Sarah Palin shrieks"!!

Figured you could use a laugh after today--THIS IS CLASSIC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioGC40_AWhs
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Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 5:47 PM

Wow... gauging by the positive response out there to this "speech" it sickens me to think that people still have not learned from the mistakes of the last 8 years...

Posted by: MPeach1 | September 4, 2008 5:46 PM

Obama only has about 145 actual working days in the United States Senate.

And he's spent a big portion of that running for president.

He's got a little more experience than any of us going to the polls in November.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 5:46 PM

What has Palin done nothing. All her accomplishments are made up. She left her town in debt and tried to censor books from a library. Ohh and its the meth capitol of Alaska. Its Britney running to be VP.

Posted by: TexDem | September 4, 2008 5:45 PM

JENNY Craig has more experience than Obama.

Posted by: InHarmsWay | September 4, 2008 5:45 PM

Obama is toast. Stick the fork in him. He is done.

Posted by: Anon | September 4, 2008 5:45 PM

The TV press didnt cover ordinary people during the Democratic convention who made testimony to the party on stage, but it makes a big ballyhoo about the populist credentials of Palin. The bias shows.

Posted by: Paul Nolan | September 4, 2008 5:44 PM

"The GOP clearly hates people who help their community."


The GOP no more hates community organizers than the Dems hate mayors. Grow up.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 4, 2008 5:43 PM

BRISTOL!!!

"Go breast feed your brother", Sarah Palin shrieks"!!

Figured you could use a laugh after today--THIS IS CLASSIC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioGC40_AWhs
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Posted by: Free Bristol! | September 4, 2008 5:42 PM


Hell, for that matter, Larry Craig has more experience than Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 5:42 PM

But the issue is not the population of Obama's state senate district. The issue is what did Obama DO while in the state senate, other than vote present. The answer is: nothing. Nor has he done anything in the U.S. senate, except run for president.

Posted by: netgotham | September 4, 2008 5:41 PM

"That, however, is comparison that shapes up a bit differently. Wasilla's population during Palin's tenure as mayor was roughly 5,000; Obama's Senate district held about 200,000 constituents, or about 40 times as many as Palin's Wasilla."

So what? One is an executive position and other is a legislative position. You know that kind that allows you to vote "present" over 100 times.

"Slightly more than 1,000 people voted in Palin's reelection contest in 1999, which she won 826-255. Slightly more than 50,000 voted in Obama's 1998 reelection, which he won with about 45,000 votes."

You neglect to mention another difference. Palin actually ran against someone in the first election of her tenure. This is in contrast to Obama, who had his lawyers disqualify his opponents so he could run unopposed.

Of course, like all Post articles, this one was not meant to inform. Instead it was meant to influence.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 4, 2008 5:41 PM

Typical Republican hypocrisy. One day, sanctimoniously tout "service" as the convention theme; the next day, mock anyone who actually served. The message is clear: if you're in the trenches and not the CEO, the Republicans have no use for your kind.

Republican elitists had a monopoly on our government for 6 years under Bush. McCain had far longer in the Senate. Are your taxes lower? Is our government smaller? Is your job more secure? Is your retirement looking brighter?

McCain and Palin can't be trusted. Bet Cindy McCain's $300,000 outfit on it.

Posted by: SMA | September 4, 2008 5:40 PM

What did Obama do during his eight years in Illinois senate, please?

Posted by: God father | September 4, 2008 5:40 PM

If I were an Obama loon, I might start thinking about that backlash thingy.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 5:39 PM

When did the words "liberal" and "elitist" become bad words used to describe only the democrats? Republicans try to paint the illussion that democrats are somehow more smug than they are, however they're the ones talking down to democrats. Question," Who has been the president for the last eight years who has never admitted or apologized for the mistakes he has made? That is called only one thing: arrogance. Last night at the beginning of Romney's speech he said,"for deacades the NY Times and everybody in Washington has been looking for the sun in the east but now the sun is going to rise from the West in the great state of Arizonia." Oh really Romney. Let's do a fact check: George W. Bush is from Texas. Bill Clinton is from Arkansas. Reagon was from Illinois. Carter is from Georgia. Ford was from Nebraska. Nixon was from California. LBJ was from Texas. The only two people elected president in the last 3+ decades from the East Coast have been George H.W. Bush and JFK, both from Massachussetts. Oh yeah, where did both Bush's go to school: Yale, also in the Skull and Bones society. What state does Romney represent: Massachussetts. Watch out what you believe and what you hear. Last point and fact: John Mccain was born at the Coco Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone. Obama is from Hawaii. Which one is further West? Checkmate.

Posted by: Robert C | September 4, 2008 5:38 PM

To: JP2

Ronald Reagan was governor of California for 8 years. This is why he was prepared to be president. Sara is governor, in other words she's had executive experience. Why do you only mention her experience being mayor?

What exactly makes Obama qualified?

Even Larry Giambo the former mayor of Rockville, MD, has more experience than Obama.

Posted by: gixmo | September 4, 2008 5:38 PM

"Neither Obama NOR Palin are qualified to be president!"

Well, they are both "qualified," being native born and over 35. Same for Biden. The one with the questionable qualifications is McCain, since he was born in the Canal Zone.

Posted by: Spectator2 | September 4, 2008 5:34 PM

all of these gop tactics, including the return to attacking the news media, are not new. kill the messenger when you don't like the message is part of the gop hard-core playbook. the gop convention also has been a master at using pavlovian bells and classic propaganda techniques to great effectiveness, as explained noted at: www.straightrecord.com/pavlov

Posted by: jumpingelephant | September 4, 2008 5:33 PM

Can we see Sarah's college transcripts for the 5 colleges she attended in 6 years?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hjGaAjQoUCE3VQ4N3M852LEdOVtwD9304JE80

Posted by: Mary | September 4, 2008 5:30 PM

Playa said:

"The Dow fell 350 point today. What is Sarah Palin going to do? Does Sarah Palin even know what the Dow is?"

What would Obama do?

Posted by: jdub | September 4, 2008 5:28 PM

Why is Sarah Palin on media lockdown? How long is the press going to let this go on?

Posted by: Mary | September 4, 2008 5:28 PM

palin and the new joker of a mayor... critized community organizing.... DIDNT ANYBODY TELL THEM THAT THE MOST INSPIRATIONAL MOVEMENTS IN OUR HISTORY WERE BASED ON COMMUNITY ORGANIZING!

American Civil Rights Movement
Feminist Movement
Labor Unions

ARE YOU SERIOUS PALIN ARE YOU SERIOUS REPUBLICAN PARTY YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF

Posted by: CORIN | September 4, 2008 5:28 PM

Basanyon,

Obama's campaign only made ONE statement about Palin's track record the morning of her announcement as VP.

On the other hand, Republicans, Democrats, and Independents alike have questioned whether Palin has sufficient experience with national issues to step in in a crisis.

I think the fact that Gov. Palin has been kept in seclusion for the better part of a week -- the fact that she hasn't answered any questions -- provides a preliminary answer.

As a second issue beyond experience, it's worth asking if a Governor embroiled in an ongoing major ethics scandal after only 20 months is really a wise choice on the part of McCain.

The fact that the Governor is now stonewalling the investigation -- and refusing to testify -- also raises some legitimate questions about both McCain's judgment and the Governor's conduct during her short tenure.

Posted by: JP2 | September 4, 2008 5:24 PM

Check out who Obama spent his time with organizing communities...

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_sutton_saudi/2008/09/03/127490.html

Posted by: yarrrrrr | September 4, 2008 5:24 PM

Last night we saw Tonya Harding with a speechwriter. Palin offered almost nothing of substance. She's positive we should be paranoid. She mocked constitutional rights. Well screw you, Nananook of the Nazis. The stuff about putting the governor's jet on E-Bay was cute but other than that she did what reactionaries always accused hippies of doing -- she tore down but she didn't build up. She did something that no hippie was ever accused of doing, she fortified the luxury bunker where the rich and powerful hide. The creepy thing is that she did it in the guise of an American every woman. She sold herself as a great administrator, even though she couldn't manage to keep a carwash open in the the muddiest state in the union. .


Goodluck Johnny McBush!...you're going to need it.

Posted by: Karla Martinson | September 4, 2008 5:20 PM

I don't want to compete with emerging global superpowers with a retarded inbred hick family at the helm.

Posted by: JC | September 4, 2008 5:17 PM

Person with a "brain,"

Experience -- as the saying goes -- is what you make of it.

Is being a movie actor good preparation for the office of the president?

I think it is -- even though it's unconventional experience.

In the TV age, it's necessary. Remember Ronald Reagan?

Or have "conservatives" turned on him too?

Is community organizing relevant?

What skills are involved in being a community organizer?

You need to know how to motivate people. You need to know how to listen and get things done -- and sometimes broker deals.

On the other hand, as a mayor, what kind of skills are demonstrated when you come into the job taking over a town with a balanced budget and leave it at the end of a few terms with $20 million in debt?

($3,000 for every man, woman, and child)

What exactly does that track record say about the person's ability to manage voter's money wisely, voter with a "brain"?

Posted by: JP2 | September 4, 2008 5:16 PM

There was no attack made to the "community organizers" in general. There was, however, attack to Obama's lack of experience.

Community organizer was only mentioned because the Obama campaigned had belittled Gov. Palin's executive experience as mayor and governor. And it just so happened that Obama was a community organizer. She only responded to them. Unfortunately, "truth" hurts.

When the Obama camp was questioning her mayoral and gubernatorial background, had anyone said anything about insulting Mayors and Governors? I didn't think so.

Posted by: Basaynon | September 4, 2008 5:15 PM

ALL WHITE FOLKS IS RACIST!!@!! they keep trying to bring obama down but that is okay cause we are taking over in november. just like the inventer of the peanut said, george wahington carver, the black man can't get freee until he get up inside the white house.

Posted by: Lakisha | September 4, 2008 5:11 PM

rudy want to run for governor of NY we are wait for him he better kiss it good bye

Posted by: dennis | September 4, 2008 5:10 PM

Anyone see the new video of McCain at a KKK rally in Arizon? I hear it shows him in full Klan robes of a senior klan leader (with hood in hand.). I hear it will be out on YouTube later tonight.

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 4, 2008 5:10 PM

Many Americans had the chance to meet Levi previous to his RNC cornonation through his MySpace page, that is before it was surgically scrubbed. The New York Post, was either lucky enough or smart enough to have preserved excerpts from Johnston's MySpace page before it was removed from the internet:

"I'm a f - - -in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."

"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/levi-johnston-bristol-pal_n_1
23089.html

Kids, you can clean em up, dress em up and make them behave in
public, but they are still just that.. kids.

And just when you think think it can't possibly get anymore embarrassing for John McCain, it does.

MoveOn.org just broke what is probably the most defining story involving the biggest media gaffe in the entire presidential campaign. This incident happened right in the middle of the McCain's campaign effort to paint the media as unfair and biased towards Palin.

"It's funny what Republican pundits say when they think nobody's watching. Today, John McCain's former campaign chief Mike Murphy and former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan were caught on tape after an NBC interview. They shared their real thoughts on McCain's judgment in selecting Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate." [MoveOn.org]


http://www.moveon.org/r?r=24255&id=13697-5536685-pvU3vCx&t=3

Posted by: MsSwin | September 4, 2008 5:04 PM

Neither Obama NOR Palin are qualified to be president!

Posted by: JinMD | September 4, 2008 5:03 PM

The comparison Governor Palin made between herself and Senator Obama was NOT about numbers and popularity, which Obama clearly is. She was OBVIOUSLY pointing out the RELEVANCE of the experiences of being a Mayor and Governor verses a community organizer to the jobs they now seek. The responsibilities and decisions Governor Palin made as a Mayor and Governor DIRECTLY correspond to the ones she will make as Vice President. Well, you may say Senator Obama’s experiences in the Senate have prepared him in different ways. Let’s settle the debate once and for all. The OVERALL ticket with the most experience is the Republican ticket. With many years of both legislative and executive experience between them, John McCain and Sarah Palin will make the perfect team.

Posted by: person with a brain | September 4, 2008 5:03 PM

Interesting how much Obama/Palin comparison is going on -- a large percentage pushed by Obama advocates. To me that's a rather remarkable benefit of the Palin pick to the McCain campaign. Attacks on Palin's experience invite comparisons between she and Obama. Far from being off the table, experience has been a primary topic since the Palin pick. Even if Team Obama manages to make community organizer/law professor/state and federal legislator seem more substantial than PTA mom/small town mayor/ governor, the whole discussion diminishes Obama as presidential candidate. Has there ever been another case where people have been argues voer the qualities of a presidential candidate v. a vice presidential candidate.

Posted by: bri | September 4, 2008 5:02 PM

Of course the GOP mocks his community service time. After all, he was helping black and latino people. Who in the GOP would ever want to do that?

Posted by: steve boyington | September 4, 2008 5:00 PM

Obviously the Dems are in shell-shock over this VP pick. Let's see....the candidate for change does the easy/conventional pick of a Beltway good ol' boy. McCain demonstrates the ability to think outside of the box with his pick. McCain will be a much better President.

Posted by: HSF | September 4, 2008 5:00 PM

Palin collected a salary of $64,000 to be mayor of a hamlet of 6,000 people, an exorbitant sum. Then she hired a town administrator on top of that. What "actual responsibility" did she have? Obama's community organizing was for the Catholic Campaign for Human Development. Palin's mockery of Catholic social ministry is a disgrace, especially in light of her pathetic tenure as mayor of Wasilla.

Posted by: Chris M | September 4, 2008 4:59 PM

Many Americans had the chance to meet Levi previous to his RNC cornonation through his MySpace page, that is before it was surgically scrubbed. The New York Post, was either lucky enough or smart enough to have preserved excerpts from Johnston's MySpace page before it was removed from the internet:

"I'm a f - - -in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."

"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/levi-johnston-bristol-pal_n_1
23089.html

Kids, you can clean em up, dress em up and make them behave in
public, but they are still just that.. kids.

And just when you think think it can't possibly get anymore embarrassing for John McCain, it does.

MoveOn.org just broke what is probably the most defining story involving the biggest media gaffe in the entire presidential campaign. This incident happened right in the middle of the McCain's campaign effort to paint the media as unfair and biased towards Palin.

"It's funny what Republican pundits say when they think nobody's watching. Today, John McCain's former campaign chief Mike Murphy and former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan were caught on tape after an NBC interview. They shared their real thoughts on McCain's judgment in selecting Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate." [MoveOn.org]


http://www.moveon.org/r?r=24255&id=13697-5536685-pvU3vCx&t=3

Posted by: MsSwin | September 4, 2008 4:57 PM

Palin needs a community organizer........to help her find a phone so she can call a reporter for a frigging interview.

She can't stay in the undisclosed location forever.

Red meat speeches cut both ways.


There's a reason that the GOP protects some of their pols from the press. If they could, they wouldn't let any of them out there except in pre-scripted, pre-recorded digital form. Just think if not for his "macaca moment," George Allen would be the GOP nominee...HAHAHA!!!

Posted by: Penny | September 4, 2008 4:55 PM

Alvint wrote:
significant as a state senator except to accumulate an unusual number of "present" votes.

My Comment:
This constant statement as to the "present" vote is misleading. The "present" vote was done by Sen. Obama at the direct request of an organization taking a specific stand on legislation. It is a procedural move in Illinois designed to provide some degree of cover for legislators in high risk districts. Those legislators in safe seat, like Sen. Obama, were asked to vote "present" on certain occasions to provide cover. This was not an attempt to hide anything, it was part of the normal legislative process.

In the U.S. Senate, such procedure is called pairing. A Senator who can't be present for a vote will find a Senator who holds the opposite view who might be present. The second Senator will agree not to vote so that the "effective" vote of the Senator who cannot be there is counted. Again, this is part of the legislative process and the concept of compromise. Compromise is critical and enables the country to move forward in a bi-partisan fashion.

And that's what we need to move forward. Speeches and actions which unite, not speeches and actions that divide. Gov. Palin's speech was that of a divider. The unfair negative comments about Gov. Palin are those of dividers. Both are wrong.

That being said, I would hope that the members of the Right Wing would recognize the inherent contradictions in their comments about both Chelsea Clinton and unmarried and pregnant young women (girls) in the past with their comments about the current Palin home situation. Many of these comments smack of hypocrisy.

Posted by: Misconstruction | September 4, 2008 4:53 PM

There are two questions about Sarah Palin I would like answered.

1. Is she planning to get pregnant AGAIN?
2. Why did she turn against Senator Stevens when she originally cozied up to him to get funding for Wasilla? Did the Religious Right have a complaint against Stevens?

Posted by: Joey | September 4, 2008 4:52 PM

I've never heard Obama say that his years as a community organizer was the reason hat he is qualified to be President. I have heard him say that those years taught him a lot about the daily struggles people go through when their job goes away.
Clearly Obama's major qualifications for the Presidency are his years as a law professor (restling with the same issues President's often do), his 8 years in the Ill. state senate (writing and voting on legislation), and his 3 plus years in the US Senate. Add to that his stellar eduational background and the country is free to decide if he is qualified to be President.

Posted by: NM Moderate | September 4, 2008 4:51 PM

"Don't liberals realize they've now been boxed into an argument they can't win?"

Only if you're dumb enough to believe not only that executive experience is an important qualification (it isn't usually - the trend of Govs being elected is largely a post-Watergate trend, and there have been plenty of great presidents with none- Kennedy, Truman, and Lincoln come to mind) and that all "executive experience" is equal (also not true. I like my mayor, but he's not ready to be President tomorrow).

Posted by: kreuz_missile | September 4, 2008 4:51 PM

as if...you are incorrect.

Palin is running against Biden for VP, not Obama. Biden is from Delaware which is a far smaller state than Illinois and even Biden had more votes that Palin did in either her mayoral race or gubernatorial race.

But for argument sake, just check out the following numbers:

* When Sarah Palin won her mayoral race, voter turnout was 1200 out of population of 5000 with Palin getting 900 votes.

* When Obama won his state senate race, voter turnout was 85000 out of population of 200,000 with Obama getting 51,000 votes.

* When Palin won the Governor's race voter turnout was 238,000 out of a population of 700,000 with Palin getting 115,000 votes

* When Obama won his US Senate race voter turnout was 5,100,000 out of a population of 13,000,000 with Obama getting 3,600,000 votes.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 4, 2008 4:48 PM

Arthur, after 8 years of George W. Bush, I don't think voters outside of the GOP are going to be over-awed by the mythical experience that being a "Governor" supposedly entails.

Especially not a Governor embroiled in a major ethics scandal after only 20 months on the job.

Posted by: JP2 | September 4, 2008 4:47 PM

first off, her name is spelled sarah. second, her daughter didnt have a "decision" to make regarding keeping her child. in your words, she has more life experience because "she's a mother..". um barak obama is a father, joe biden is a father (and a single one at that for a period of time), does that disqualify them from having similar life experience. they have "raised families" too. the business woman/pta member stuff is pretty flimsy too. you forgot sports anchor...

keep trying to put lipstick on that pit bull, its not a lie if you believe it.

Posted by: To David | September 4, 2008 4:45 PM

About that "executive experience" as mayor of Wasilla, at least one person didn't think too highly of it...

""It's not rocket science, it's $6 million and 53 employees."

- Sarah Palin, Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman, October 2006

Posted by: kreuz_missile | September 4, 2008 4:45 PM

Don't liberals realize they've now been boxed into an argument they can't win?

Maybe Obama has served a constituency four times the size of Palin's or 20 times.

But Palin has served as a chief executive as Mayor and Governor.

You can go in circles about which is more relevant.

But when the dust settles. The only conclusion you can walk away with is the one Joe Biden recognized during the primaries. That conclusion is that Barack Obama is vastly under-qualified to hold the office of the President of the United States of America.

Posted by: Arthur | September 4, 2008 4:43 PM

I understand that Mayor Palin hired an administrator, a first for Wasilla, when she was first elected Mayor ... after firing all the experienced personnel in the prior Mayor's administration and replacing them with her own personnel.

Posted by: b829 | September 4, 2008 4:43 PM

John Tyler Hammons is a Republican. He's also the mayor of Muskogee, Oklahoma, with a population of just over 38,000 people. He, obviously, has "executive experience", and I'm sure the Republicans would love to have him as the nominee for the Vice Presidency of the United States. After all, Muskogee has 5 times as many people as Wasilla, and problems that Gov. Palin didn't have to deal with. He deals with budgets, and a larger staff than Gov. Palin did in Wasilla, it goes without saying that he'd be a bang-up candidate.

There's only one problem. Mr. Hammons is 19 years old, and therefore ineligible.

Any office that can be held by a teenager isn't worth discussing as "presidential" or "vice-presidential experience."

Posted by: NachoBidness | September 4, 2008 4:43 PM

Sarah Palin has more "executive" experience than Barack Obama and Joe Biden combined!

So did George W. Bush.

Look where that got us.

Posted by: Reality Check | September 4, 2008 4:42 PM

It interesting too that so-called Christians would ridicule work that involves helping the poor.

It's doubly hypocritical given that a lot of community organizing work is all about giving people the skills to pull themselves up and to be self-sufficient.

Posted by: JP2 | September 4, 2008 4:41 PM

As a lifelong GOP supporter last nights speech finally drove me to the other side. I cant understand how you can speak for nearly an hour while running for VP and not bring up how you will correct the problems in this country. Sadly my former party has caused this mess and they think more of the same is the solution. RIP GOP im an Obama fan now...

Posted by: See ya GOP | September 4, 2008 4:40 PM

His community organization was religious. Why does Sarah Palin hate Religious Freedom?

Posted by: Charles | September 4, 2008 4:40 PM

I was touched last night watching a largely homogenous crowd of middle class and wealthy Republicans openly mocking a man who devoted two years of his life to help those less fortunate than he. Unfortunately a large majority of their party cannot fathom lifting a finger to help others except when it somehow fattens their own wallets. The hooting, hollering, and yee-haws nearly drowned out the celebratory gunfire each time Guliani and Palin rattled off a zinger.

Posted by: republicant | September 4, 2008 4:38 PM

As a mother and businesswoman, PTA member, city councilman, mayor, and governnor - Sara Palin has more life experience and executive experience than both Barack Obama and Joe Biden. She's taken on entrenched, corrupt politicians and oil executives. She's raised a family; and yes she's pro-life. Her daughter's pregnancy and decision to keep her child, shows that she and her family don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk.

Sara Palin is who Obama wants to be when he grows up.

Posted by: David | September 4, 2008 4:38 PM

Why isn't this on the front page? How can a sportcaster and hockey mom compare herself to a Harvard attorney and law professor? Give me a break. She hasn't been governor for two years of a state with a population smaller than Columbus, Ohio.

Posted by: WTF | September 4, 2008 4:37 PM

The attack on community organizing was tasteless and baseless. It's kinda like attacking teachers, nurses, or boy scout leaders. The guy was in the streets for a few years, trying to help the South Side pick up broken pieces of failed government and failed business. You're going to knock that?

While Obama was trying to address the social problems of the South Side, Palin was . . . a local sports broadcaster. If you want to get into a war of resumes, I think Obama wins.

Posted by: Chris | September 4, 2008 4:36 PM

Nice if WAPO would actually state these kinds of facts in major headlined articles... not buried bits in obscure articles, no offense.

I don't see any article that deals with some serious fact-checking of Palin's speech or credentials. Why isn't anyone but CBS (also a buried article) pointing out that Palin slashed funding for special needs children by 62%? That's a big revelation considering she positioned herself last night as an advocate of special needs kids and their families. Does an "advocate" slash funding by more than half??

Posted by: DogBitez | September 4, 2008 4:34 PM

Thank you for providing some truth to counter-balance the lies regurgitated by McCain's new attack dog with lipstick. She may very well do herself a favor and look into a mirror the next time she applies her lipstick. She's likely to smear it all over herself...just as the more news and revelations about her unfold.

For those readers who are cheering this lady on mindlessly. Put on your thinking caps and look at the facts. One smidgen of info Palin failed to mention was that she was aggressively FOR earmarks and the "Bridge to Nowhere" before she was against them. And there's more. Oh, there's more...

Posted by: ec moran | September 4, 2008 4:33 PM

Can you please add to your "reporting" Gov Palin's numbers for being voted into her latest position.

Posted by: Honestly | September 4, 2008 4:20 PM

--------------------

SURE!!!

Palin got the backing of 114,697 Alaskans in her 2006 gubernatorial bid

Obama got the back of 3,597,456 in Illinois in his 2004 Senate bid.

That's...oh....30 times the number Palin got.

Any other questions?

Posted by: Dan | September 4, 2008 4:31 PM

Stop falling for Republican political gimmicks!

Obama is running against McCain, not Palin.

Palin is not experienced enough or smart enough to handle the national scene. She is qualified just like the rest of the presidential candidates, i.e. natural-born citizen and over 35 yrs old, that's it.

These are some serious times folks. It is not the best time to be voting for a PTA/Hockey mom-type candidate to be one 72-yr old heartbeat away from the presidency of the United States!

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 4, 2008 4:31 PM

"Can you please add to your "reporting" Gov Palin's numbers for being voted into her latest position."
-----------------------

Yes, and compare it to Senator Obama's numbers for being voted into his latest position. I'm sure Alaska's bigger than Illinois, as if this crap matters.

Posted by: as if | September 4, 2008 4:30 PM

The Dow fell 350 point today. What is Sarah Palin going to do? Does Sarah Palin even know what the Dow is?

Posted by: playa | September 4, 2008 4:30 PM

If what you mean by community organizer is a person not in government who organizes persons either to solve their own problems, solve the problems of their fellow human beings, or to create governmental entities to solve problems, then

George Washington was a community organizer; Thomas Paine and Benjamin Franklin were community organizers (since there was no government at the time they organized their fellow colonists);

Mother Theresa was a community organizer as is any person who creates, organizes and works in a charity.

Now, let me show you how we can switch the semantics.

No one likes bureaucrats, right?

A mayor is a bureaucrat.

Now, lets play another semantic game for the audience.

A non-elected head of a federal agency has "executive experience" in managing budgets.

The only President we can elect is a bureaucrat.

The point of all this that the McCain group is just playing with words. You get an emotive reaction to words.

Just think for yourself. Ask what the person did, and not label is attached to it.

Posted by: Bill | September 4, 2008 4:28 PM

Strangely the GOP loves religeous organizers, at least as long as they are Christian. I wonder what could account for the different attitude towards someone who organizes for poor blacks in the inner city? Hmmm...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 4:27 PM

Why don't you run a piece about how stupid it is for Obama to call McCain the same as Bush?

That's far more absurd than any belittling of the "community organizer" experience Obama claims.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 4, 2008 4:27 PM

As a "former" Republican, I am sickened by were my party has gone and the lies they cling to to win an election. McCain is right about one thing putting country first and that is why I am voting for Barack Obama!

Posted by: Curtis Wimer | September 4, 2008 4:27 PM

who's pretending to be JakeD. Those comments can't be him.

Posted by: Bill J | September 4, 2008 4:26 PM

As Mayor of a town, Palin had actual responsibility for what happened in that town.
Posted by: Jason | September 4, 2008 4:17 PM
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You also forgot to mention she was a heckuva PTA member, and she bakes really good raisin-oatmeal cookies. Qualifications we need to stare down those nasty Russians.

Posted by: :^0 | September 4, 2008 4:23 PM

That experience, combined with the first rate education at Harvard that followed, certainly gives Obama a much more developed appreciation of the diversity of America's population. It probably helps explain why McCain/Palin just don't get it and don't feel comfortable talking about the lives and needs and dreams of most Americans.

Posted by: Casey | September 4, 2008 4:23 PM

Wasilla is a joke. The town isn't even big enough to have a best buy.

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2008 4:22 PM

Thanks for putting things in perspective.

As far as Palin's accomplishments as mayor of Wasilla, what were they other than securing millions in federal earmarks.

I have to admit, she is quite a reformer of the the Republican party and lord knows they need reforming at the national level.

Posted by: Bill J | September 4, 2008 4:22 PM

130- Present Not YES or No ..Just Present to afraid to make a descsion..

But he can always run to the U.N..

Posted by: jimwhite1 | September 4, 2008 4:22 PM

Another hateful GOP extremists! Who would have thought such a thing could happen in America. LOL!

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 4, 2008 4:21 PM

John Stewart said it best,
"The Republicans love America more, they just hate half the people in it."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 4:21 PM

It makes me very sad to see the republicans going back to the Rove / Bush game plan of smearing your opponent and ignoring real issues. They do this every time, and the America people fall for it hook, line, & sinker every time.

Posted by: DarkCoffee | September 4, 2008 4:21 PM

Can you please add to your "reporting" Gov Palin's numbers for being voted into her latest position.

Posted by: Honestly | September 4, 2008 4:20 PM

Palin = Another corrupt GOP extremists.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 4:19 PM

I don't care how small or how un-populous the state is, anybody who is elected Governor of one if the USA's states is somebody with political game. Don't underestimate Palin's skills.

Not that I'll vote for her. Her pit bull teeth (with lipstick) is the front end of a very ugly GOP dog.

PS: My son was looking at the McCain / Palin signs and he said he thought it read: "McCain / Pain". (* smirk *)

Posted by: egc52556 | September 4, 2008 4:19 PM

As Mayor of a town, Palin had actual responsibility for what happened in that town.

As State Senator for EIGHT years, Obama didn't accomplish anything substantive.

As governor of Alaska, Palin completely cleaned house. She ACTUALLY instituted change in a huge organization with entrenched interests.

The reason why people are voting for Obama is that they expect him to change the culture in Washington. There is absolutely nothing in Obama's resume to suggest that he can lead the federal government, never mind change it.

Obama did less as a Senator representing the entire state of Illinois than Palin did as mayor of her little town.

This isn't a knock on legislators. There are plenty of state and federal senators who have effected major changes to state and federal legislation. Obama just isn't one of them.

If Obama is able to effect change within a large organization, he should explain why, until now, he has not. Has he just been preparing to become president for the past decade? If so, then he hasn't done right by the people who electing him.

Posted by: Jason | September 4, 2008 4:17 PM

OMG! Another black politician goes to jail. Who would have thought such a thing could happen in America. LOL!

Posted by: Dianne72 | September 4, 2008 4:17 PM

My dog could run a town like Wasilla. I bet their biggest crisis was were to put the town's only signal lamp.

Posted by: JakeD | September 4, 2008 4:16 PM

Not to mention the types of issues one would confront as a state legislator compared to the Mayor of a small town. It is clear to me that the types of issues that Obama dealt within his time in the Ill. legislature (health care, economic development, crime and punishment)are far more relevant to the Presidency than the types of issues ("there's bears in the town dump again") that the mayor of Wasilla would confront.

Posted by: NM Moderate | September 4, 2008 4:16 PM

Palin is offensive to me in so many ways!

* She wants to remove my right to choice, even if I get raped. Palin would like rapists to have the right to choose who will mother their children.

* She thinks drilling for more oil is the answer to our energy problems. I do understand she would get richer if they did, but this is not a solution for america. Even that swiftboater Pickens calls Palin's energy idea foolish.

* She wants to replace science with religion in our schools. She is an extremists, and wants others to share her extremists point of view, so she seeks to remove other points of view from children's education.

* She has poor family values. She's cheated (like McCain) on her spouse several times, and has children out of wedlock, and a pregnant child also out of wedlock.

* She belives those that give back to their community are wasting their time!

* She wants to split off Alaska from the USA and form its own nation. Huh? She is just crazy!

Posted by: Sally | September 4, 2008 4:16 PM

Thank you for this analysis, I do enjoy factual comparisons.

Posted by: targetsix | September 4, 2008 4:15 PM

Do you get paid directly by the Obama campaign to regurgitate his talking points or are you hoping to be compensated with a position in his press office if he's elected?

But to your point, Palin was comparing the SIZE of her constituency, but rather actual accomplishments. Predictably, you fail to point out that Obama did do anything significant as a state senator except to accumulate an unusual number of "present" votes.


If you were actually an objective reporter, you could have made an analogous criticism of Obama's twisting of numbers when he compared his oversight of his campaign staff to the size of the Wasilla city administration. A more appropriate, time-sensitive comparison would be between his campaign staff and the Alaska state government, a comparison that Gov. Palin wins.

Posted by: alvint | September 4, 2008 4:14 PM

The GOP clearly hates people who help their community.

The GOP hate list seems to grow every day.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 4:11 PM

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