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Barack Obama and Bill Clinton shared a lunch in Clinton's Harlem New York office September 11, 2008. (Mike Segar/Reuters)

By Jonathan Weisman
NEW YORK -- On a solemn day when both presidential candidates vowed to drop the politics, Democratic nominee Barack Obama attended to some necessary bridge-building in Gotham.

Obama headed to Harlem to have lunch with former president Bill Clinton in the longest private get-together of their long, sometimes painful rapprochement. Over Cosi sandwiches and pizza, the two chit-chatted about Clinton's commute from suburban Chappaqua, the work of the former president's international charitable organization and, oh yes, the presidential campaign.

"I've agreed to do a substantial number of things," Clinton told a small pool of reporters, "Whatever I'm asked to do.''

"We're putting him to work,'' Obama chimed in.

Clinton then helpfully predicted, "Senator Obama will win and win handily.''

"There you go," Obama added. "You can take it from the president of the United States. He knows a little something about politics.''

If that sounds like politics on the seventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, don't be fooled, the two men later assured the world, after their exchange went public.

In a joint statement, Clinton and Obama said: "President Clinton and Senator Obama had a great conversation in Harlem today. They discussed the campaign briefly, but mostly talked about how the world has changed since September 11, 2001.

"Sen. Obama praised the work of the Clinton Foundation around the world and President Clinton applauded Sen. Obama's historic campaign which has inspired millions around the country.

"They also spoke about what the next President can do to help make the economy work for all Americans, as it did under President Clinton, and ensure safety and prosperity far beyond the coming the election. President Clinton said he looks forward to campaigning for Senator Obama later this month."

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The NObama campaign is in disarray, confused and not knowing how to deal with the "Reformist" Sarah! who truly represents "change", based not just in words and the promise of hope, BUT, based on her record as governor of Alaska.

Barack's choice of an old Washington politician, Joe Biden means "More of the Same" for the NObama campaign, and the move of the "Maverick" John McCain, choosing a woman reformer has taken away from NObama the flag of "change".

Sarah has also given hope for America to the 18 million disillusioned former Hillary supporters who were rejected and ignored by NObama and who are now contempating voting for the republican ticket to elect an experienced, qualified patriot that loves our country and also to elect a woman to the White House, to elevate women as equal partners in governance in America.

Country First!
Democrats for McCain/Sarah Palin!

Posted by: Manolete | September 13, 2008 11:09 PM

And whatever you call it, neither he nor Obama or Palin or anyone else can wage war without the consent of Congress.

Oh I forget, the democratically controlled Congress approved the Iraq conflict.

Posted by: annonymouse | September 12, 2008 9:48 PM

Quote: "And on the seventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, she appeared entirely unfamiliar with the Bush Doctrine, the central foreign policy tenet of the current administration, which asserts the right to wage preventive strikes in the aftermath of such terrorist attacks."

Believe me, I stay up on the news and I have never heard it called the "Bush Doctrine" either and neither have 90% of you. Admit it!

Posted by: annonymouse | September 12, 2008 9:46 PM

Pres, Clinton, HELP!!!!!!ON THE OUTSIDE CHANCE THAT THE OLD MC BUSH AND THE PIT BULL MAKES IT, AMERICA LOSES!

LETS GET TO THE NITTY GRITTY AND THAT IS THE SECURITY, ECONOMICS OF AMERICA, AND THE FINISH TO WARS BUSH STARTED WITH LIES. SAVE OUR COUNTRY AND KEEP THE TRASH WHERE IT BELONGS , IN THE GARBAGE PAIL WITH A SEALED COVER, REPUBLICANS ARE ALL MOUTYHS, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLOSE THEIR MOUTHS AND SHOW THE IGNORANCE AND BACK SLIDING IF WE FAIL OUR PEOPLE AND COUNTRY WITH AN ADMINISTRATION THAT IS GOP AND A DISASTER FOR US ALL, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO KEEP BODY AND SOUL TOGETHER!

Posted by: lynn parker. | September 12, 2008 8:35 AM

How can that be??? THERE WAS NO SMOKE FROM D^CKHEAD BILL'S ROOMS IN HARLEM. There was no pronounciation of 'Habemus Papum' - signifying there was a new pope of all DEMBHOLES??? Perhaps 'BARRY' just went there to kiss D^CKHEAD BILL's ahem, ring??? Ha. DEMBHOLES always such subservient silly class-oriented wankers!!!

Posted by: Zyskandar A. Jaimot | September 12, 2008 8:28 AM


Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, emerging from media silence for her first serious interview as the GOP vice presidential pick, said Thursday that the United States might have to go to war if Russia were to invade Georgia again.


Former GOP senator calls Palin a 'cocky wacko' 09.11.08

Palin administration may fight subpoenas in court 09.11.08

And on the seventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, she appeared entirely unfamiliar with the Bush Doctrine, the central foreign policy tenet of the current administration, which asserts the right to wage preventive strikes in the aftermath of such terrorist attacks.

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Posted by: WinAntiSpyware | September 12, 2008 2:09 AM

I hope that Bill Clinton helps Obama the same way that he helped Hillary in her campaign!! That ought to do it!!

Posted by: sol55 | September 12, 2008 12:36 AM

Quote: "FYI Palin said today, we are going to war over SOUTH OSSETIA..."

Really, Bruce?? Funny, there is not a word on any news link or not a word when you google for proof of this statement of yours.

Posted by: annonymouse | September 12, 2008 12:04 AM

I cannot understand why I am not 10 to 15 points ahead! No, I do not have any experience, But I AM Emporer Barack Hussien Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 11:59 PM

I am reading all these comments and blogs from the Dems stating or asking what Sarah Palin will do regarding the war and economy and Russia and just about anything and everything.

HEY DEMOCRATS, What is Obama going to do? He is the Presidential nominee and has run on change and hope and hope and change since the Primary. We are still waiting!

Posted by: Obama hs no plan | September 11, 2008 11:53 PM

Quote: ""They also spoke about what the next President can do to help make the economy work for all Americans, as it did under President Clinton, and ensure safety and prosperity far beyond the coming the election."

Oh, how they like to forget that the Republicans were in power in Congress (who make the laws, control the budget, and fund the wars) while Clinton was president. They came into power shortly after he was elected and were still in power when he left.
Who is in power in Congress during the downfall of the US? The democrats. Who started and backed NAFTA? Clinton. Now we have heard that "giant sucking sound" as Ross Perot predicted, as American jobs left the country, after NAFTA went into effect.
The press and democrats seem to want to forget this.

Posted by: Bill | September 11, 2008 11:53 PM

Obama ered and uhmed to Bill,

First, Bill, please don't put any food in your mouth...
....I know I called you a racist and I cheated your wife out of the Democrat nomination, but I need your help. Not enough people are voting for me. And I so want to win. I need you and Hillary to go out on the stump for me. No, you were not as good a President as my hero Ron and NO, Hillary is not good enough to be my Vice President if I were to win...but I need her and you to campaign for me so I can win.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 11:47 PM

Who threw the water on Obama's empty suit?
He's melting! He's melting!

Posted by: Get the broom | September 11, 2008 11:39 PM

Abarafi writes what a "liberal" is, so I'll respond.

Point by point:

* does not discriminate against minorities

Neither do conservatives as witnessed by more minorities being in this president's administration than any of all the previous administrations COMBINED, to include The Secretary of State.

* believes workers should have a fair deal

As do conservatives, but with the emphasis of fairness BOTH ways, thus yielding pay for actual talent, pay for actual work.

* believes rich folks should pay their fair share of taxes

They already do and much, much more since 5% of the population pays over 80% of the federal income taxes.

* believes diplomacy should precede military action

As do conservatives who waited out 17 U.N. resolutions, inspections, and other talks before committing to military action in Iraq.

* believes public schools should have good teachers and adequate equipment

As do conservatives, except the latter are also for the Right to Choose in education.

* believes our infrastructure (roads,bridges, tunnels, etc.) should be maintained well

And who in their right mind doesn't? Or do you think all of the issues today of infrastructure designed for 20-40 years just started happening in the LAST eight years, and not in prior administrations, too?

* believes in a woman's right to choose

Good point, I'll grant you that. The conservatives have been influenced too much by the extreme religious factions.

* believes in separation of church and state

Again, good point. But that doesn't mean people have to suppress their core beliefs, i.e. that which gives THEIR life meaning and purpose, just because you don't happen to share them. As long as they don't injure you, grow up and embrace some of the tolerance that liberals are always preaching to other people.

* believes no one should go broke because of not having health insurance

There is no "right" to health care for two reasons: First, a right is a prohibition against an action taken against you by another party or the government; it is not a grant. You already have "rights" which are simply recognized overtly by a valid government. Second, if you honestly believe that others must be compelled to provide services for you, then what does that make them? Short answer: Your slave.


* believes America should set a moral rather than military example

The two are not incompatible, just as the old guns versus butter argument was also a false dichotomy.

Well, if that's the definition, then I'm a liberal - and darn proud to be one.

So am I. But you left out a few important ones, too.

To be a liberal means not to distort reality, to focus on essentials, and to acknowledge when we have differences of opinions without stooping to the gutter by calling our intellectual partners in the conversation silly names.

You like calling yourself a "liberal?" Good! Me too. Let's act like one then.

Posted by: Phil | September 11, 2008 11:07 PM

Both b.O. and Wild Willy still think they rule the minds of women.

They really have no respect for those who want to see the glass house shatter as the "Change in Washington".

THey underestimate the power of woman at every turn with their big fat egos.

Obama and the party of femicidal practice will not win, with their limp resumes.


Women have enough power to corrupt it.

Palin 2008

Hillary Clinton / Maize Hirano 2012

Posted by: dotty | September 11, 2008 11:03 PM

Oh Please. Not Bill. Bill Clinton! Great economy, but great Fed. Greenspan ruled. I really do not think the numbers are going to change much at http://www.bop-o-rama.com. Obama will still be leading!

Posted by: acarponzo | September 11, 2008 10:46 PM

Bill Cinton, Dean Martin and John Wayne will help Obama/Biden 08

Obamacan fans of Dean Martin & John Wayne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd5xBDdG9UI

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Republicans for Obama! | September 11, 2008 9:18 PM

I would agree that, for the most part, earmark spending has not been good for the country at large, but I find the Rovian, race to-the-bottom politics that McCain has been engaged in to be far more insidious, as it literally pits Rural and Urban Americans against one another in a lasting, hateful way. Face it, our cultural identity has been left in shambles by this stuff. To my thinking, if McCain had honest intentions to clean up politics and bringing the country together, he would have started at home and ran the honorable campaign he promised. McCain complained about Bush's vile smears in 2000 that "they know no depths" but he sees fit this go around to make full use of the Rove playbook. Is there any wonder that McCain cannot define "Honor" to a reporter. How sad. How sad that so many celebrate his destructiveness and irresponsibility. How is John McCain showing us how he can lead this country in a way that the country can be respected and admired in the world? Enough!

Posted by: Scatoma | September 11, 2008 8:44 PM

The one thing I notice about the Democrats and the Liberals, thy keep attacking christian, with hate because of are Judeo-Christian faith and morals, thy insist on separation of church and state, except for there religion; Postmodernism.

----------

I suppose I'm a liberal, although I'd consider myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I've got nothing at all against christians. All I care about is keeping this country a place where christians can be christians and muslims can be muslims. No religion should ever be allowed to install its beliefs into the laws that govern the entire nation, though, because that opens the door to theocracy. Instead of that, you should believe and worship the way you want to, and I will do the same, we'll both live in a free nation that guarantees our individual rights, and we can all fight together to keep it that way.

Posted by: Joe | September 11, 2008 8:41 PM

The gutter rat groupies of Nobama (Nob) are out in their full stinky force.

However, these gutter rats know that their empty suit hero is melting down. Some one fetch a towel fast!

Serves well, after the disgraceful manner in which he stole the nomination and subsequently trashed HRC in the VP process.

The slimy NObama tried to brand Bill a racist. Now the same slimy NObama is begging Bill to campaign wit him and posing with him pictures. WHat happened to the comparisons? DId n't the slimy NOB compare BIll to Nixon? Now he needs his support?

Can you say shameless? Thought so.

Posted by: intcamd1 | September 11, 2008 8:30 PM

The one thing I notice about the Democrats and the Liberals, thy keep attacking christian, with hate because of are Judeo-Christian faith and morals, thy insist on separation of church and state, except for there religion; Postmodernism. The prophet Obama talks about this cultural condition characterized by constant CHANGE in the pursuit of progress, and postmodernity as the culmination of this process, where constant Change has become an status quo and the notion of progress, obsolete. Hate on liberals and democrats. We have faith Jesus, not the prophet Obama.

Posted by: xthat | September 11, 2008 8:18 PM

The one thing I notice about the Democrats and the Liberals, thy keep attacking christian, with hate because of are Judeo-Christian faith and morals, thy insist on separation of church and state, except for there religion; Postmodernism. The prophet Obama talks about this cultural condition characterized by constant CHANGE in the pursuit of progress, and postmodernity as the culmination of this process, where constant Change has become an status quo and the notion of progress, obsolete. Hate on liberals and democrats. We have faith Jesus, not the prophet Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 8:18 PM

That's the bottom line on WW III and the nuclear holocaust Palin wants to play big shot about.

Hey, Bruce: freedom isn't free.

Posted by: BudG024 | September 11, 2008 8:15 PM

** So, what do you suggest if I consider abortion to be evil?**

I advise you to avoid having an abortion.

Posted by: BudG024 | September 11, 2008 8:14 PM

So, what do you suggest if I consider abortion to be evil?

Posted by: JakeD | September 11, 2008 6:16 PM

Stop having intercourse until you are married.

Posted by: Bruce | September 11, 2008 8:06 PM


Obama will have to do more than lunch with Bill Clinton to win. He would have to BE Bill Clinton.

But since they were discussing 9/11, no doubt Bill repeated his statement after that outrage that no one would have elected him president after that because he had no foreign policy experience.

Sound like anyone you know?

Posted by: Chicago1 | September 11, 2008 8:05 PM

I re-read my post and realized many people may not be aware that the would-be opponent in a Palin war to re-attach South Ossetia to Georgia is Russia. THE Russia, the one with thousands of nuclear warheads, a nasty winter, and an interest in the gas field that the Brits opened up from a former Soviet Republic, which goes through Georgia, weakening the Russian grip on Europe's energy supply.
*
FYI Palin said today, we are going to war over SOUTH OSSETIA, which borders on Russia, to help Georgia end the breakaway regions independence from Georgia, over Russian statements and protests that South Ossetia will NEVER be restored to Georgia.

FYI, there are 7,000, yep just SEVEN THOUSAND, ethnic Georgians in South Ossetia. That's the bottom line on WW III and the nuclear holocaust Palin wants to play big shot about.

The 7,000 Georgians dont like that the majority ethnic IRANIANs, yep IRANIANs, have seceded from Georgia, leaving the 7,000 the minority. Maybe if the majority Georgians had been decent to the ethnic Iranians they would be happier to be Georgia. In any case, Russian is being nice to IRANIANs.
The proposal of Mrs Palin is that we deny the IRANIANs a sense of self governance, and restore them to minority status under Christians.
No matter, Mrs Palin is willing to go to war in the Caucasus mountains, far from our lines of supply, next to the Russian border, so the would-be NATO Georgians can lord it over the Iranians.
REGISTER AND VOTE ABSENTEE, and end the charade of the
Palin/Rove/Bush/McCain fundamentalist war machine making any sense.
No more Armageddon politics.

Posted by: Bruce | September 11, 2008 8:04 PM

Bill Clinton is now taking part and believing the Grand Fairy Tale of this election!

The fact is that Barack made a grave mistake choosing Joe Biden, and old Washington politician and ignoring and rejecting the choice of 18 million democrats for Hillary.

The choice of Sarah Palin for VP by Maverick John McCain has doomed Barack's hopes for the election in November, as many of the 18 million democrats are making the choice of supporting Sarah Palin for VP and by doing so giving women equal share in the governance of our country.

Country First!
Democrats for McCain/Sara Palin!

Posted by: Manolete | September 11, 2008 8:03 PM

FYI Palin said today, we are going to war over SOUTH OSSETIA.

FYI, there are 7,000, yep just SEVEN THOUSAND, ethnic Georgians in South Ossetia. That's the bottom line on WW III and the nuclear holocaust Palin wants to play big shot about.

The 7,000 Georgians dont like that the majority ethnic IRANIANs, yep IRANIANs, have seceded from Georgia, leaving the 7,000 the minority. Maybe if the majority Georgians had been decent to the ethnic Iranians they would be happier to be Georgia.
No matter, Mrs Palin is willing to go to war in the Caucasus mountains, far from our lines of supply, next to the Russian border, so the would-be NATO Georgians can lord it over the Iranians.
REGISTER AND VOTE ABSENTEE, and end the charade of the
Palin/Rove/Bush/McCain fundamentalist war machine making any sense.
No more Armageddon politics.

Posted by: Bruce | September 11, 2008 7:58 PM

This campaign is becoming a good old fashioned mud fight with Sarah lieing her way through this mess. McCain better tell his prize Pit Bull to shut her mouth since everything she stands for has nothing to do with Democracy, and his poor old bones are aching from the strain. What a team, a man would would be King and cannot take the heat, and a VP who is a false, lieing, no nothing about the world politics, ore the conditions in the USA. Comedians and Hollywood both are having a ball. The Rep. are not running an adult, political, caring for the country or the people campaign. They are making a farse of our country and care less for our people,children and seniors who with the GOP at the helm will either HEAT OR EAT.

iT IS UNBELIEVABLE WHAT TRASH BOTH mCcAIN AND SARAH ARE THROWING AT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE SHAME THEY ARE MAKING OF
OUR COUNTRY. THE OLD CRIPPLED MAN AND THE PITT BULL WITH LIPSTICK AND A PONY TAIL ARE
BENEATH THE DIGNATY OF HOLDING ANY OFFICE AND SHAME ON THEM BOTH. tHEY ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR AMERICA, THEY ARE NOT EVEN A GOOD COMEDY ACT!


Posted by: lynn parker. | September 11, 2008 7:48 PM

Obama keeps creating more problems for himself. The last thing he needs in his corner is The "Clinton Connection". What a dope. He surrounds himself with people who can do him absolutely no good.

Posted by: Robin Greene | September 11, 2008 7:27 PM

** So, what do you suggest if I consider abortion to be evil?**

Dont have any abortions.

I consider murder to be against the 10 commandments.
Periodically, the churches make a pronouncement that some particular war meets the self-defense criterion.

The current Pope said, before he became Pope, that the unilateral pre-emptive strike against Iraq was NOT able to meet the self defense criteria.

Still, lots of people make the choice to join up and fight, kill, get wounded, die, et cetera. That THEIR CHOICE.

You dont have to have abortions if your moral perception sees them as wrong. Evil is a weird word. GOOD and EVIL.
You might like to read up on "good and evil", outside the readings offered in the Christian church you go to, expand your mental horizons a bit. Maybe you'll get some space on your sh**.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | September 11, 2008 7:07 PM

I wonder what Obama's minister is saying about going to "THE MAN" for help.

And one who had to ask what the definition of IS is ?

I hope Bill washed those feet of his before he stuck them in Obamas mouth by say it'll be an easy win...

The Clinton CURSE is alive and well !

Posted by: vince | September 11, 2008 7:06 PM

Obama wins by a landslide and the pitiful Repubs find out that the country is tired of their sick low and disgusting version of politics. The real patriots will reign.

Posted by: jo jo | September 11, 2008 7:05 PM

Having the Clintons both campaign was expected and always seen as important. The gee whiz right wingers on here are acting like this is a big surprise or a let down, just because Mrs Clinton and her 49% negatives are not on the ticket.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | September 11, 2008 7:01 PM

Taking the Ukraine into NATO would be tantamount to war. Palin is not ready for leading the US or for world affairs.

What is she going to do about Russia naval exercises in the southern Caribbean with Venezuela?
That's real. That's happening right this second.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 6:59 PM

JakeD-
With Roe V Wade nobody is compelled to get an abortion. I think abortion is terrible too, but I don't feel comfortable passing laws against it which could lead to court battles if a fetus died to save a mother's life, also rape and incest are difficult issues, to put it mildly..
As best I can tell, God gives each of us a choice, and we're only accountable for our own choices.
Abortions have increased under the Bush administration. Demographics with high numbers of unwanted births have higher rates of violent crime 20 years later when those babies are grown, so there's an offsetting factor as uncomfortable as that is to mention.
With war, crime, immorality, and abortion, todays republicans always respond with bluster and force, but they get poor results from that approach.
Too many people today are conditioned to despise themselves, because the unrealistic demands of this anarchistic free market global economy make them feel like failures.
They inaverdently take this out on their unborn fetuses, thinking it's for other reasons.
As silly as you guys think it is, we really do need hope. If an expectant mother doesn't have hope, what do you think she's more likely to do?
If you take away hope, you're causing more abortions. That's a fact.

Posted by: Charles | September 11, 2008 6:52 PM

** So, what do you suggest if I consider abortion to be evil?**

Understand that your opinion about abortion is not only a minority opinion, but, further, you are part of a pluralistic society that has a wide variety of views about abortion. As history shows, to implement your opinion into law would inevitably result in the deaths of many woman. Is that not evil?

Posted by: pete | September 11, 2008 6:48 PM

There is no way I believe Obama will win. For lots of reasons, but mainly because of all these stupid, stupid comments that are coming out of Obama and his campaign. Did anyone hear that even Biden said HRC is AS qualified if not MORE QUALIFIED to be V.P. than he is and would even be a BETTER PICK? I mean, what's he trying to do....LOSE? Then all those attacks on Palin are really ticking lots of people off especially women. Biden said just a couple months ago that Obama is "not ready to be President."

I can guarantee you. The Dems are REALLY sorry Obama is the nominee.

Posted by: Maria | September 11, 2008 6:44 PM

The rabid Repubs sure love to throw the "L" word around. Liberals this, liberals that. So, let's see, what exactly is the definition of liberal?
* does not discriminate against minorities
* believes workers should have a fair deal
* believes rich folks should pay their fair share of taxes
* believes diplomacy should precede military action
* believes public schools should have good teachers and adequate equipment
* believes our infrastructure (roads,bridges, tunnels, etc.) should be maintained well
* believes in a woman's right to choose
* believes in separation of church and state
* believes no one should go broke because of not having health insurance
* believes America should set a moral rather than military example

Well, if that's the definition, then I'm a liberal - and darn proud to be one.

Posted by: Abarafi | September 11, 2008 6:17 PM

Professor Gas:

So, what do you suggest if I consider abortion to be evil?

Posted by: JakeD | September 11, 2008 6:16 PM

How can either side expect us to beleive they can accomplish change when their supporters engage in the same your-candidate-is-evil rhetoric?
How can anyone take a point of veiw seriously that seeks only to insult and divide?
How can we be expected to lead the way in diplomacy when we only insult each other and spread lies?

News flash: no matter who wins, the world will not suddenly be free of problems. Likewise, it will not end, either.

Posted by: Professor Gas | September 11, 2008 6:11 PM

POOR OBAMA. CRAWLING TO BILL CLINTON. THE POOR SMEAR MASTER IS DESPERATE.

Posted by: BILL | September 11, 2008 6:04 PM

It's all Hype. These 2 got together for 1 sole purpose. To smoke BLUNTS! I bet Bill inhaled this time. You know Barry did.

Posted by: Bobo4bush | September 11, 2008 5:49 PM


HRC really isn't a good speaker. She got better at during the Democratic party and gave a real good one at the DNC convention.

But I heard a snippet of her Monday Florida speech and it really lacked any type of enthusiasm.

Also, I've even read some articles, either AP or Wash. Post, that said even HRC supporters who have heard her speak a month ago said she didn't exude
energy or enthusiasm.

BUT, Obama DOES NEED BILL CLINTON to campaign for him. Bill Clinton has sway with the low information voters.

FACT: Only 25% of registered voters actually vote so there is no room for error by Obama.

COMMENT: Obama needs every vote he can possibly get. Those 25% of registered voters gets even smaller if you factor in the pool of racists/latent racists, the faux HRC supporters and the non-thinking HRC supporters that go in the polls/voting booths.

It wouldn't be a shock if McCain-Pailn wins then. It would be bad, but people shouldn't be shocked.

Posted by: Baller4Life | September 11, 2008 5:49 PM

Obama's prospects will be greatly improved by having President Clinton appearing for him. It might cost a cabinet position for her but she's deserving.

Posted by: Gaias Child | September 11, 2008 5:43 PM

14 state polls were released this afternoon alone. They have Obama leading in Colorado and Michigan, McCain surviving in Ohio and Florida. Full roundup: http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/09/11/poll-roundup/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 5:30 PM

Johnny Democracy,

I disagree that those who reject radicals like the neo-cons will be "road kill" moving forward. The simple truth is that the entire political spectrum has shifted to the right.

Now, instead of radical leftists like we had in the 50's and 60's we have radical rightists who harken back to the 50's as their model for a society.

Unfortunately, the 50's were only perfect on television, not in reality. Moreover, America is not a "faith-based" society. The founding fathers were adamant that religion should be kept separate from governance. People who claim that this is a "faith-based" society only due so to try to shame away other points of view. This is grossly inapporopriate in our polical system and its blatant anti-American, given that it is designed to discourage vigorous political discourse.

No one who cares about our traditional values would ever tolerate ours becoming a country that tortures our enemies. No one who cares about our traditional values would condone the concept of an executive branch that is not accountable to the Legislative and Judicial branches (and vice versa).

This is America. We believe in radical ideas like freedom and the rule of law. Anyone who says we shouldn't abide by those principals first loves their power more than their country.

Posted by: scott032 | September 11, 2008 5:30 PM

Yeah, it's Obama who's not trustworthy...

Someone change the confused old man's diapers and put him to bed.


http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/325.html

Posted by: McCain Lies To Your Face | September 11, 2008 5:29 PM

I can't believe that americans being one among the first class nations on the face of the earth can be duped so easily into believing in republicans all of a sudden, just because of the inclusion of a ex-miss beauty and a hockey mom on the presidential ticket. I wonder how more than half of americans see the world of today and compare with... and how naive they are to pull for the same for another 4 years after eight years of lies, failures and frauds at all levels of worlds' best democracy as we know it!!

Posted by: A. Zaidi. | September 11, 2008 5:29 PM

I am somewhat surprised that Obama has any room in his mouth for food with that big old foot of his in it. But I am truly amazed that he is listening to any advice from Bill. Surely he knows that Bill and Hill do not want him to win?

Posted by: Jen | September 11, 2008 5:26 PM

At least Brother Obama can go back to Chicago & defend the Slum Lords like he used to. McCain in a landslide ... ha, ha, ha.

Posted by: SadAmerican | September 11, 2008 5:23 PM

JOHNNY DEMOCRACY SAYS: "As conservatives, we just want our way of life back, and we don't want the media or other enlightened metrosexuals telling us how we should do it."

Wow! That was one of the best posts I've read today! Conservatives aren't out to hurt anyone, they just want: our school to be graduating kids, our streets, children and blood supply to be as safe as before the liberal fascist hegemony was chartered in northeast America.

Posted by: ruralamericans | September 11, 2008 5:23 PM

Obama is indeed quite rude and arrogant- obviously their relationship is no where close enough for him to make a comment like "we're putting him to work", or a condescending interjection in the middle of Bill's sentence "he knows a little something about politics".
Bill is a former president and Obama has in no way shown that Bill is a friend of his in the past- so Obama's "witty" little comments can only be seen as rude.
Do we want someone so cocky with so much attitude and so little social grace to represent America?

Posted by: Julian | September 11, 2008 5:21 PM

Having been kool aid democrats for too many years, hubby and I are now Independent! The republican party drew us, and we feel we have much more in common these days with those who favor traditional family values.

McCain/Palin will probably get our vote -- at this stage anyway.

Posted by: ruralamericans | September 11, 2008 5:18 PM

When this finally comes to cultural and media war, you can of course stay neutral like Scott, but often this position renders you as "road kill" in the bigger picture.

Scott forgets, that it was Left-wingers that declared war on our way of life in the 50's and 60's, and partially succeeded in destroying the strong, patriotic and faith based values of American society. As someone who grew up near Berkeley in that period, I can fully understand the resulting change of culture.

As conservatives, we just want our way of life back, and we don't want the media or other enlightened metrosexuals telling us how we should do it.

Posted by: Johnny Democracy | September 11, 2008 5:18 PM

Barrack ordered HUMBLE PIE for desert.

Bill had another Oreo shake.

Posted by: Waiter guy | September 11, 2008 5:18 PM

Obama needs to have Bill Clinton (and himself) go to Florida and rural areas of Pennslyvania, Montana, Colorado, Missouri and New Hampshire. Hillary Clinton (along with Obama) needs to go to Ohio, Florida and Michigan.

If Bill and Hillary campaign well for Obama in those states, with Obama and Biden reinforcing the other states, Obama will win in a landslide.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 11, 2008 5:17 PM

Republicans are shameful of their secrets - thats why they hate people whom are different from them.

Posted by: Sarah Failin' | September 11, 2008 5:15 PM

Is it noble for Bill Clinton to coddle an upstart who accused him of racism? Or is it disingenuous of Obama to hang with a white boy who used racist remarks against him?

One thing's for sure; Clinton would "hit on" Palin in an Arkansaaaaaas minute :-)

Posted by: ruralamericans | September 11, 2008 5:15 PM

Obama needs Clinton, any Clinton. He goofed & he's in hot water & he's kissing up. He's kinda late though.

Posted by: SadAmerican | September 11, 2008 5:14 PM

Yup, psychology of a republican....

Posted by: Tim | September 11, 2008 5:14 PM

Yup, psychology of a republican....

Posted by: Tim | September 11, 2008 5:13 PM

You republicans are lame, hopeless, and always in the closet (pediphiles, gay, trans, drug abuse). Did your daddy abuse you?

Posted by: MccAin't Gonna Win | September 11, 2008 5:12 PM

Dear Scott,

These are the issues, and the only issues, for you liberals:

America the Terrible
Homosexual Marriage
Abortion
Aetheism

Take these three ridiculous political issues out of the picture, and what do you have?

Yes, I forgot the Anarchists, Communists, and Stoners....sorry((((

And please, stop trying to hide these aims behind the props of war opposistion or the economy as, we really understand what your kind truly stand for....

Posted by: jojo | September 11, 2008 4:59 PM

Jojo,

You don't get it do you? I'm not a liberal. Liberals want to interfere with your life and tell you how to live. Before the religious right took over the republican party conservatives such as myself hated the Democrats for wanting to tax our earnings and spend our hard-earned money telling us how to live.

Unfortunately, the Republican party than aligned itself with the wing-nuts in the religious right, who want to tell everyone how to live, leaving true conservatives without a real home (although we can cheer for a fella like Ron Paul who tells them to stick it in their ear).

It is you neo-cons that have destroyed this country by warping conservative values and replacing them with right-wing liberalism that tells people what they can and cannot do with their lives. You are no better than the stinking left-wing liberals.

Of course, the funny thing is the right wing liberals are so hateful and intolerant while they spew their hate and venom at the left wing liberals that they completely subvert all of Jesus' teachings in the New Testament. But they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions...

Posted by: scott032 | September 11, 2008 5:09 PM

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NEWS FLASH!


OBAMA LOSES LIPSTICK FIGHT WITH GIRLFRIEND, THEN INSULTS HER ON NATIONAL TELEVISION. DADDY CLINTON COMES TO THE RESCUE OF LONG LOST SON, WITH DOWN-HOME, SOUTHERN GUIDANCE


tj

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Posted by: Tom Jefferson | September 11, 2008 5:08 PM

Anonymous | September 11, 2008 5:05 PM - Is really dumb, and thinks that he can project mcClone's campaign realities. What an idiot.

Posted by: McSame / Failin 08 | September 11, 2008 5:08 PM

You Clinton supporters are nearly as useless as she was during the election. Get over it, you lost we won. Now McClown and Palin get a taste of big daddy lovin before we win again.

Put that in your pot smoking pipe and smoke it.


"Hat in hand, Obama now has to go to the Clintons, to help him win the presidential race. Good luck with that Obama. You were willing to throw the Clintons under the bus so you and the other idiots at the DNC could steal the election from Hillary Clinton.
You have no dignity, you will do and say anything to try and win this election. You are only out for yourself. How scary to think what you would do as President to the American people if you are always so willing to throw everyone under the bus for your own personal greed."

Posted by: Giveitup Clintons | September 11, 2008 5:07 PM

Hat in hand, Obama now has to go to the Clintons, to help him win the presidential race. Good luck with that Obama. You were willing to throw the Clintons under the bus so you and the other idiots at the DNC could steal the election from Hillary Clinton.
You have no dignity, you will do and say anything to try and win this election. You are only out for yourself. How scary to think what you would do as President to the American people if you are always so willing to throw everyone under the bus for your own personal greed.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 5:05 PM

Definition of morality according to scott:

Wait for a sign from God, then we will know what is right or wrong moral policy within our gov't.


Wow, this guy really is a sheep, isn't he!

Posted by: jojo | September 11, 2008 5:04 PM

Hey now, no reason to be racist. Sit down before I pimp slap you.

"The black man is still going to the white
man for help - It's over Obamaa"

Posted by: Obamapwnsu | September 11, 2008 5:04 PM

Look out Barrack...they got to me, and they'll get to you too!

I would suggest NEVER turning your back on either of them, or visiting any kind of park after the sun goes down.

Posted by: Vince Foster | September 11, 2008 5:03 PM

The black man is still going to the white
man for help - It's over Obama

Posted by: Nudnick | September 11, 2008 5:02 PM

The black man still going to the white man
for help - It's over Obama

Posted by: Frank | September 11, 2008 5:01 PM

Are there any good people left in the country? You should be ashamed. I feel sorry for your kids! I hope you don't talk like that in front of them.


Posted by: Joan | September 11, 2008 5:01 PM

i hope they enjoy their meal

Posted by: boruch yona loriner | September 11, 2008 5:00 PM

Yup, I let him be my girlfriend for a bit today. I explained that I enjoyed pimp slapping his wife and now I'm going to do it to McClown and Palin.

He told me once I'm in office I could call on Hillary to do a Monica call to the white house. I may just take him up on it.

Palin is completely worthless, unqualified women should never be allowed on the ticket.

Posted by: Obamapwnsu | September 11, 2008 5:00 PM

Dear Scott,

These are the issues, and the only issues, for you liberals:

America the Terrible
Homosexual Marriage
Abortion
Aetheism

Take these three ridiculous political issues out of the picture, and what do you have?

Yes, I forgot the Anarchists, Communists, and Stoners....sorry((((

And please, stop trying to hide these aims behind the props of war opposistion or the economy as, we really understand what your kind truly stand for....

Posted by: jojo | September 11, 2008 4:59 PM

Baller4Life,

Interesting thesis. That wouldn't surprise me a bit. The Clintons are, first and foremost, for the Clintons.

Posted by: scott032 | September 11, 2008 4:59 PM


Don't bet on HRC "battling" Palin in a war of words on the campaign trail. She's already said she won't do so. Instead, she'll given an unenthusiastic, drab version of her DNC speech.

I have no proof or evidence, but HRC is angry that the wealthy Obama supporters haven't help her with her campaign debt.

The result: sabotage Obama in the most subltest of ways.

Posted by: Baller4Life | September 11, 2008 4:57 PM

As a republican who voted for Bush 8 years ago I sincerely hope that Barack HUSSEIN Obama wins!!! The party i registered for is not the party it is today, taken over by uninformed religious zealots and conservatives who have supported decades of sexism, racism and now cry "Sexist" when questions about their choice of VP arises... who never discuss the actual issues that confronts us all. Attack Democrats??? Hardly....the last 8 years put lie to that one with vicious "swiftboating" of vietnam veterans who don't agree with their policies... the republicans right wingers have taken that attack distinction with their in general rush limbaugh and hannity inspired bitterness, irrationalities, unkindness,cruelties and out right lies. I'm ashamed to have ever voted republican and i will not make that mistake again! Go Barack HUSSEIN Obama!!!!

Posted by: Republican Liberal | September 11, 2008 4:56 PM

definition of planned parenthood according to scott:

advocate that, whenever possible, all young girls engage in sodomy to avert pregnancy

Posted by: zombie | September 11, 2008 4:50 PM

Do not attribute your idiocy or agenda to me fool...

Posted by: scott032 | September 11, 2008 4:56 PM

nice, Jojo. your def. of Ral is probably right on the money. believe me, I'm surrounded with that type of self-absorbed, unbelieving, baby killing liberals here in LA.

Posted by: j | September 11, 2008 4:56 PM

I fought in the iraq war and I keep hearing that we don't approve of obama. that is completely false. it is true that while serving your country you are constantly fed conservative political views. while rolling through iraq we had a satelite to watch news report. our commanding officers would not let us watch anything other than foxnews! that is part of the reason that soldiers are usually republicans. i was one while serving, but it wasn't until i went college, got away from the military and got an outside education that I realized how wrong it was for them to manipulate people that volunteered into service. I was put in harms way because of the bush administration for the wrong reasons. on the anniversary of 9/11 i think back that instead of invading iraq, we should have been focusing on the actual terrorists! I hope that for America and the World that McCain and Palin aren't voted in, because we can't take any more lies. Our sole purpose should be to get over our prejudices and ignorance and vote for the person that has the American citizen's values first. Go Obama!

Posted by: iraqveteran | September 11, 2008 4:56 PM

scott: another high priest of the insane culture of idealisms. would you like to kill the infant deep within the womb?

c'mon scott, you can do it dude! maybe, even with a smile on your face)))))

Posted by: zombie | September 11, 2008 4:48 PM

There is a difference between being opposed to abortion and believing the government should legislate on the subject. I do not believe we should legislate morality.

As a result, I don't believe we should have legislation on abortion or gay marriage or things like that. Social order does not depend on such enactments.

Moral issues are for God to judge; not you or me.

Posted by: scott032 | September 11, 2008 4:54 PM

I see racism is alive and well. People who are objecting to clinking helping out said we still have a long way to go in american. their is more racims then discrimination toward white women. its too bad that they are trying to place one against the other. so sad!

Posted by: dahlia | September 11, 2008 4:51 PM

definition of planned parenthood according to scott:

advocate that, whenever possible, all young girls engage in sodomy to avert pregnancy

Posted by: zombie | September 11, 2008 4:50 PM

Bill & Hillary will vote McCain when they go in that voting booth.

Posted by: CC | September 11, 2008 4:49 PM

JakeD,

I can't help but wonder if we need to give "Bill Clinton" credit for at least tapping into something funny. The Silverman/Kimmel videos were priceless...

It's actually at a higher level of discourse than a significant number of the postings today...which should probably leave all of us concerned for where our society has gone, especially on a day as somber as September 11th...

Posted by: scott032 | September 11, 2008 4:48 PM

scott: another high priest of the insane culture of idealisms. would you like to kill the infant deep within the womb?

c'mon scott, you can do it dude! maybe, even with a smile on your face)))))

Posted by: zombie | September 11, 2008 4:48 PM

I predict that as time goes by the weaknesses of Sarah Palin wil become more apparant. This conservative governor does not impress as a change agent, but a younger version of the old status-quo.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 4:46 PM

Bill Clinton:

Did Larry Sinclair know about that?

Posted by: JakeD | September 11, 2008 4:45 PM

Definition of Ral:

Metrosexual Aetheist, with child-killing underpinnings, who enjoys wearing a burka at liberal strip-tease parties.

Have fun today....fufu guy

Posted by: jojo | September 11, 2008 4:39 PM

Really? You can't write something other than slurs? C'mon, address things on the issues, not on base hatefulness.

Step up your game people!

Posted by: scott032 | September 11, 2008 4:45 PM

ral....stick a fork in him, he's done

Posted by: zombie | September 11, 2008 4:44 PM

****

Joey B and Barry Who?

jd


****

Posted by: Johnny Democracy | September 11, 2008 4:42 PM

I'm f'ing Matt Damon, and Barack Obama!!

Posted by: Bill Clinton | September 11, 2008 4:40 PM

Definition of Ral:

Metrosexual Aetheist, with child-killing underpinnings, who enjoys wearing a burka at liberal strip-tease parties.

Have fun today....fufu guy

Posted by: jojo | September 11, 2008 4:39 PM

we need change and its about time that someone gives it to us

Posted by: Tr | September 11, 2008 4:39 PM

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Posted by: . | September 11, 2008 4:38 PM

Where is Reverend Wright and his sound bites about 9/11?
Obama never knew Wright or was he like an old uncle?
Obama will NEVER win the approval of American Heros.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 4:38 PM

Obama is embarrassing to the democratic party.
How dare he ask the Clinton's to assist him with anything.
If I were either one of the Clinton's I would do NOTHING to help Obama win.
He never won the primary, Obama stole it.

Thank God McCain has Palin.

Posted by: Al from NJ | September 11, 2008 4:36 PM

The Republican deceit machine is in full force with McPalin!
I know the folks who have fallen for McPalin are good people at heart and don't mean to be contributing to the problem by continuing to be duped by the worst of the worst. We need a communicator - not a manipulator! The Sarah McRove manipulators will not lie their way into this one, but it's up to us to make sure they don't have the chance. Register to vote and make sure it's OBAMA who wins - to much is at stake!

Posted by: Ral | September 11, 2008 4:35 PM

___________________________________________


NEWS FLASH!

OBAMA LOSES LIPSTICK FIGHT WITH GIRLFRIEND, THEN INSULTS HER ON NATIONAL TELEVISION. AFTER LICKING HIS WOUNDS, MR. OBAMA RETURNS HOME TO DADDY CLINTON, FOR SOME DOWN-HOME, SOUTHERN GUIDANCE.


tj


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Posted by: Tom Jefferson | September 11, 2008 4:35 PM

Yeah he worked wonders campaigning for Hillary in South Carolina and elsewhere last spring. Just another loose cannon to complement Biden's daily gaffefest. This should be fun.

Posted by: phxphant | September 11, 2008 4:24 PM

What if Obama does become president JakeD? End of the world for you? Maybe you can sell your golf clubs and move to Central America when it happens. Woo-hoo!

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 4:23 PM

I think anyone who says a prediction can be made right now is likely in the tank for one side or the other. It's an interesting race right now.

The irony to me is that I think McCain v. 2000 would have cleaned Obama's clock. I'm not sure v. 2008 will do the same due to his alignment with the current administrations policies.

Posted by: scott032 | September 11, 2008 4:13 PM

P.S. to Patrick:

Charlotte, NC (March 21, 2008). Former President Bill Clinton said a general election matchup between his wife, Sen. Clinton, and Sen. John McCain would have been between "two people who love this country" without "all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/another-bill-clinton-mome_n_92818.html

Posted by: JakeD | September 11, 2008 4:13 PM

And I predict that Barack HUSSEIN Obama will not be inaugurated President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | September 11, 2008 4:09 PM

Here's your attack dog democrats. Bill had no problems trashing so he will be overjoyed to take digs at a couple flimsy republican candidates.

If anything it will be funny.

Posted by: Patrick | September 11, 2008 4:08 PM

Will September 12 mark the beginning of a new Obama offensive with the Clintons taking a lead on pressing Governor Palin? Hmmmm.

Posted by: scott032 | September 11, 2008 4:03 PM

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