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13 Cars for the McCains--and not all American

By Michael D. Shear
First it was his seven houses. Now, Sen. John McCain has to explain his fleet of 13 cars.

According to a Newsweek item published online today, McCain and his wife, Cindy, own more than a dozen cars, including three electric bubble-shaped cars, called GEM's that the magazine says are popular in retirement communities.

But the ones getting him into trouble are the foreign-made cars. According to the magazine, the McCains own a Honda sedan and a Volkswagen convertible -- despite having once claimed to always buy American-made cars.

In an interview with Detroit station WXYZ-TV, McCain bragged that "I've bought American literally all my life and I'm proud." That was after explaining to the anchor that his daughter, Meghan, bought her own Toyota Prius.

UAW President Ron Gettelfinger, in a conference call organized by the Democratic party, blasted McCain on Sunday for not being truthful with voters.

"When he's in the midwest, he tells voters he supports the industry," Gettelfinger told reporters. "That's really a nice campaign line. But it turns out that John McCain wasn't being straight with the people of Detroit."

Gettelfinger cast McCain as an enemy of auto workers for supporting trade deals that he said would ship jobs overseas.

"We need a president who's committed to rebuilding the auto industry in America, not a president who buys foreign cars and then falsifies the truth when he thinks auto workers aren't watching," he said.

The magazine reported that the only car in McCain's name is a Cadillac. The others are in Cindy McCain's name. Another Japanese car -- a Lexus that Cindy McCain drives with the plates 'Ms BUD' -- is registered to the beer distribution company that she heads.

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said the senator's comments to the Detroit TV station were referring to the one car in his name: the Cadillac. "And [he] has in the past driven Corvettes and other American cars," Rogers said. McCain aides said some of the 13 cars are actually used by their four children and others are "recreational
vehicles and pickups and such" that they use on their vacation property in Sedona.

Newsweek noted that the Obamas own a single car--a 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid.

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In some weird Republican mindset working your way up from poverty, going to Harvard, getting married once, having one car and one home, this makes you elitist.

Coming from a long line of military "royalty", graduating at the bottom of your class, cheating on your wife and marrying your rich meal-ticket wife, and 7 (?) houses, 13 (?) cars...makes you an "average guy"? Only in McCain/Palin/Bush/Cheney/Rove land.

Posted by: Cal | September 23, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Loraine, Loraine, Loraine. It appears you are probably "PINK" on the outside and "YELLOW" on the inside!

Posted by: Goldenfitness | September 23, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Maybe John Mccain is too old to remmember how may houses, cars...he has had and said.

Posted by: tp | September 23, 2008 4:03 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know what model of Honda Sedan he owns?? Because anyone who has worked in the auto industry knows that nearly every Honda model available for purchase in America today is built in America in Ohio or Alabama , this includes the Accord, Civic, MDX, Acura Sedan, Pilot, Ridgeline, Minivan and the engines and transmissions for these cars...so what model Honda does he own? CRV? Prelude? those are the only two I know of that are not built by Americans....

Posted by: Honda | September 22, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

mybandy wrote: "Wow, is ANYTHING in John McCain's name??? He really got his money the old-fashioned way didn't he? Married it!"

John McCain, or John Kerry?

Posted by: Whomper | September 22, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

FactCheck.Org is suppose to be an unbiased source?

FactCheck.Org is affiliated with the Annenberg Foundation. That's the very same Annenberg Foundation that used to employ Barack Hussein Obama.

That's right: Obama used to work for the parent organization of FactCheck.Org. They also are financed by George Soros.

Posted by: Whomper | September 22, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I bet both Obama's family and Mccain's family all use tooth brushes made in CHINA......ooooh how unAmerican!!!!

Posted by: dUMBFOUNDED | September 22, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

d miner:

Oh, I see. Don't worry about answering my questions anymore ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN SHOULD NEVER SPEAK OF CLEANING WASHINGTON OF LOBBYIST AGAIN!!!!!!!!
http://mediamattersaction.org/freeride/lobbyists/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

NObama. He scares me to death. Has anyne found his birth cerfificate yet? His wife scares me still more. Someone here said that he's brown on the outside and red on the inside. I coulden't agree more

Posted by: Lorraine | September 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

When it comes to services for middle class Americans, politicians continue talking out of two mouths: (1) scare tactics about raising taxes for middle class needs (2) but justify wasting millions of our tax dollars on things we don’t need. I never hear politicians talk about cutting the waste to pay for what we need in this country. If this country would stop wasting our tax dollars on useless programs, political self-promoting projects, billions overseas to take care of others, (while ignoring U.S. citizens’ needs), billions on a war that profits noone and loses lives, and stop creating useless laws that cater to special interest groups, we would have plenty of tax dollars for middle class needs. But, as usual, politicians want to use scare tactics of raising taxes to take care of middle class needs while continuing to use our tax dollars to take care of their cronies and self-promoting projects. It is this greed and looking out for self, instead of being a servant of this country and middle class, that ticks off hard working tax paying Americans.

Politicians need to learn fiscal responsibility and use our tax dollars on what is NEEDED in this country and not waste it on the needs of the rich, the lobbyists, CEOs, big companies, irresponsible corporate America, and special interest groups who promote their political careers. Stop spending our tax dollars on DNA testing for Alaskan bears and bridges to nowhere and start using it on what is needed – i.e. health care. Enough with the greed, double talk and B.S. We are not stupid, but politicians keep insulting our intelligence, ignoring middle class needs, wasting our tax dollars, don’t take responsibility for their lack of governing for the needs of the vast majority of people and expect us to buy their rhetoric. They should be held accountable and no law should protect their greed – but then again, guess who passes the laws? The same greedy politicians who do as they please as middle class pays for their purposeful stupidity.

Under the Bush administration the policy of deception, be it to get us into war or how he ran our country, needs to be done away with. We need absolute transparency for anything that has to do with our tax dollars. After all it is out money, but politicians spend it like it is their personal checking account. Enough...politicians need to be held accountable for their lies, deception and greed.

Posted by: steve | September 22, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

of course me proud american citizen own my trailer lock stick and barrle and i say paling super hottie will win cause she got what it takes any woman who is raped should be forced to have baby and palling can shoot gun and kill russia iran france and anybody who wont build bridge to nobody. Not so sure bout john hussein mccain he seems wishy wash and wont campaign without hottie by him i thimk he want to be her sugar dad and shak up with super hottie palling but no she good holy roller and has beehive on hed

Posted by: d miner | September 22, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

JR jr:

There you go lying again. I knew about Gov. Palin before last week. And, the only CONSTITUTIONAL qualification to be elected President or VP is to be a natural-born citizen and 35 years old as of January 20, 2009. Of course, I personally have a few more stringent requirements before casting my vote ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

d Miner:

What are you talking about? Please tell me you aren't a U.S. citizen?

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

me no like John Hussein Mcaine cause his name is funny John means toilet and we can't have a toilet for president can we plus sara pellin wears safety goggles and has hairdo on top of head like a bimbo and she could be the president if mccain croaks and that would be sexist so dont vote we need to keep bush and attack iran russia france korea china and anybody else who doesnt follow orders when we tell them to.

Posted by: d Miner | September 22, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama's wife seems to be the breadwinner in that family as well--she is said to make over $300,000 a year for her affirmative action sinecure. I would think that with a hefty sum such as that coming in every year, they could afford to buy their "one" house without having to resort to criminals to help them buy it. I would imagine the reason the Obama's don't have more cars is that they spent the rest of their cash on "bling" and tailored suits, and probably had trouble getting financing.

Posted by: Anton Levay | September 22, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

AlexP1:

George Will is an atheist idiot. President Bush could demand (and expect) Cox's resignation. Something has to be done to signal to Wall Street that playing fast and loose won't be tolerated.

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

For John McCain, the panel discussion on This Week with George Stephanopoulos could not have been more brutal.

Minutes after conservative columnist George Will declared that the Senator was decidedly un-presidential is his unexpected call for the firing of SEC Chairman Chris Cox, Sam Donaldson, the long-time ABC hand, said that McCain's erratic message on the economy again raised questions about his age.

"I suppose the McCain campaign's hope is that when there's a big crisis, people will go for age and experience," said Will. "The question is, who in this crisis looked more presidential, calm and un-flustered? It wasn't John McCain who, as usual, substituting vehemence for coherence, said 'let's fire somebody.' And picked one of the most experienced and conservative people in the administration, Chris Cox, and for no apparent reason... It was un-presidential behavior by a presidential candidate."

Donaldson then jumped in: "It was two days after the he said the fundamentals of the economy were strong. His talking points have gotten all mixed up. And I think the question of age is back on the table."

It should be noted that McCain's call for the firing of Cox was dismissed right off the bat, as the president does not have the authority to axe an SEC chairman. The criticisms that Donaldson raised concerned the fact that McCain started the week by touting the fundamentals of the economy, before pivoting into fits of populist mantra and calling for increased regulation of the markets - position at odds with McCain's traditional economic philosophies.

"When I say age," he explained, "I don't know the difference between finding your talking points and not delivering the right ones, we have seen him do this frequently but this last week was the worst. Between two stops in Florida, as you say, he had to revise his thinking about what he wanted to say about the economy, wanted to feel the pain suddenly than say everything is great."

The whole, painful, episode crested with Will leveling an even harsher blow.

"John McCain showed his personality this week," said the writer and pundit, "and made some of us fearful."

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 22, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

its even better when their wives can buy them with Daddy's money!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Old people cant ride in small cars......
And also cant remember where they park them as well..........
So they need hugh expensive ones so they know where they are...

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 22, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I give up! suffice to say my vote will cancel yours and we can both get back to work. :) Take care.

Posted by: mybandy | September 22, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

My wife and I have "the use of" plenty of foreign cars via Hertz and Budget rentals. What's your "point" again?

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Yes. Your point. Mine is that McCain is narrowly parsing to look "all American" while he has the use of these other cars.

My further note is to a 72 year old man whose wife seems to legally own virtually everything "they" have as a result of her own inheritence. The only private job I've seen noted for McCain prior to politics (his wife bought the home in the original House District just prior to the campaign) is as a promotional exec in his wife's firm.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

mybandy:

That's because Bill Clinton was (and even admitted to) LYING. Big difference.

Now, did you actually read the article you are commenting to or not?

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Whomper:

It is scary (although FDR's second Vice President was probably a Communist spy, so there's that too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I've got an Accord. BUT... I'm not running for President and my wife doesn't personally own virtually everything I have the use of as an adult. the business with the cars is mere parsing for effect pure and simple. Technically true, but as a practical matter there are a bunch of cars on "their" (her) property. When Clinton parsed like this, Reps. went crazy!

Posted by: mybandy | September 22, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

mybandy:

Try reading the article -- John McCain's name is on ONE car -- an American-made Cadillac XLR. What's YOUR car?

Posted by: JakeD | September 22, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, does John McCain own ANYTHING in his own name at 72? What did he earn?

Posted by: mybandy | September 22, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, is ANYTHING in John McCain's name???

He really got his money the old-fashioned way didn't he? Married it!

Posted by: mybandy | September 22, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Alter-Ego JakeD wrote: "So The McCains, the elitists, own 13 cars"

Elitism is a frame of mind. It's not determined by how many cars one owns. It's not determined by how poor one was as a child.

Obama said the oceans will recede if he's elected. THAT, my friends, is elitism.

Posted by: Whomper | September 22, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

And Barack Hussein Obama is STILL only a community agitator having spent his entire life immersed in Marxist/Communist philosophy. How close are we to having a Communist President? Scary, huh?

Posted by: Whomper | September 22, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

FROM THE ARTICLE: "The magazine reported that the only car in McCain's name is a Cadillac."

John McCain owns only ONE CAR. An American made car.

Posted by: Whomper | September 22, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

So The McCains, the elitists, own 13 cars (that we know of) while the Obamas own 1!

Let's stop this BULLSH!T! McCain is the elitist. Trying to distance himself from his wife Cindy McCain's finances, which just proves one thing, EVEN CINDY MCCAIN DOES NOT TRUST JOHN MCCAIN WITH HER FINANCES!

If she doesn't, then why should AMERICA?!?!

Posted by: Alter-Ego JakeD | September 22, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Obviously the UAW is pissed that McCains owns those Toyota's and Honda's 'cos the Japanese companies dont allow unions in their plants.

Of course, the UAW refuses to acknowledge that a larger % of the Toyota's and Homnda's parts are made and assembled in the US compared to Ford, Chrysler, and GM.

And whats the big deal with the family owning US cars? If no one bought US cars, that would only accelerate the demise of US car makers and the UAW would have no constituency to represent.

Posted by: Barack Obama | September 22, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

john mccain is an elitist

Posted by: john | September 22, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

The Atlantic
September 18, 2008
An economist explains why he thinks McCain's economic policies make more sense
by Steven Landsburg

(Steven E. Landsburg (born 1954) is an American professor of economics at the University of Rochester in Rochester, New York. From 1989 to 1995, he taught at Colorado State University.)


Betting on John McCain

My whole life I've been mystified by the concept of the "undecided voter." I've never had any problem choosing my candidates and didn't see how anyone else could either. But this year, I've been genuinely on the fence, partly because I haven't been paying close attention, and partly because there seemed ample reason to dislike all of the options.
But over the past few days, as McCain and Obama have ratcheted up their rhetoric over each others' "disastrous" economic policies, I decided to do a little research. Along the way, I had a few surprises about John McCain's voting record, some but not all of them pleasant. Now I don't think I'm undecided anymore.
Here are some of the things that made my decision easy, and some that made it hard:
1. Free trade and immigration are my top issues, and McCain wins on both.
These are my top issues for several reasons. First, trade is the engine of prosperity not just for the United States but also for the poorest of the world's poor. Nothing matters more than that. Second, the instinct to care about the national origin of your trading partner (or employer, or employee, or landlord, or tenant) is an ugly one, and the instinct to care about the national origin of other people's trading partners—and on that basis to interfere forcibly with other people's voluntary transactions—is even uglier.
Finally, protectionism, like creationism, requires an extraordinary level of willful ignorance. The consensus for free trade among economists is approximately as solid as the consensus for evolution among biologists, and it is a consensus supported by a solid body of both theory and observation. To ignore that consensus betrays a degree of anti-intellectualism that frightens me.
McCain is quite good on this issue, not just in terms of rhetoric (which I've known for a while) but in terms of voting record (which I've just recently researched). Obama, by contrast, promises to be our first explicitly protectionist president since Herbert Hoover. Some intervening presidents (Reagan, Bush I, and to a lesser extent Bush II) have been weak in their commitments to free trade, but none between Hoover and Obama has so explicitly rejected it.
2. McCain is not Bush. This came as a surprise to me. I'd been assuming, in my ill-read, uneducated way, that McCain had been complicit in most of the great travesties of the Bush administration and the execrable Republican Senate. I've learned that's largely untrue. He voted (to my great surprise!) against the prescription drug entitlement, against the Farm Security Bill, against milk subsidies, against Amtrak subsidies, and against highway subsidies.
Obama, by contrast, is in many ways a continuation of Bush. Like Bush (only far more so ), Obama is fine with tariffs and subsidies. Like Bush, he wants to send jackbooted thugs into every meatpacking plant in America to rid the American workplace of anyone who happens to have been born on the wrong side of an imaginary line. Like Bush, he wants a more progressive tax code. (It is one of the great myths of 21st century that the Bush tax cuts made the tax code less progressive; the opposite is true. If you are in the bottom 38% of taxpayers, you now pay zero income tax—and therefore have an incentive to support any spending bill that comes down the pike.) Like Bush, he wants more regulation, not less.

3. But there's a lot about economics that McCain just doesn't get. This shows up most significantly in his energy policies. Every economist knows that the best way to discourage carbon emissions (or anything else for that matter) is to tax them. But McCain rejects a carbon tax in favor of one slightly inferior policy (cap and trade) and one grossly inferior policy (direct regulation, such as the CAFE standards for fuel efficiency).
In a world of perfect capital markets and perfect information, a cap-and-trade system (provided the government auctions off the permits rather than giving them away) is exactly equivalent to a carbon tax – same effect on everything down to and including the prices of consumer goods. In the real world we live in, it's inferior for two reasons: First, small firms might find it difficult=2 0to raise the necessary capital to buy a permit; this gives an inappropriate advantage to big firms over small ones. Second, I believe it will be harder (for technical reasons I won't go into here) to calculate the efficient number of cap-and-trade permits than to calculate the efficient per-ton carbon tax. Aside from that, the two policies are equivalent in every way. McCain presumably doesn't get this, or he wouldn't have such a strong preference for cap-and-trade.
Worse, he endorses the CAFE standards, which are just a terrible way to control carbon emissions. While a carbon tax gets incentives right at every decision point, fuel efficiency standards give people no incentive, for example, to bike to work instead of drive (in fact, they flip the incentive in the wrong direction). Worse yet, they concentrate brainpower on improving fuel efficiency when there might be far more effective ways to control carbon emissions; with a tax, all innovations are rewarded.
In his support of CAFE standards over carbon taxes, McCain betrays a serious failure to understand how incentives work. The same problem shows up when he thinks you can simply mandate campaign finance limits, as if people who are competing for control of a $15 trillion economy won't be creative enough to find some way to spend hundreds of millions in the effort, no matter how you write your laws.
4. McCain gets health care right. The reason poor Americans get too little health care is that rich Am ericans get too much. The reason rich Americans get too much is that they're overinsured, and therefore run to the doctor for minor problems. The reason they're overinsured is that employer-provided health benefits aren't taxed, so employers overprovide them.
It has been clear for decades that the single most effective way to control health care costs is to eliminate the tax break for employer-provided health care. According to one careful study by my colleague Charles Phelps (admittedly several years old, but I'm not sure anything relevant has changed), this single reform could reduce health care costs by 40% with essentially no effect on health care outcomes.
Essential as this reform may be, I'd always assumed it was a political non-starter. I was therefore astonished to learn that it's the essence of McCain's health care reform. (At the same time, he would give each individual $2500, and each family $5000, to use for health care.)
I am astonished that I hadn't heard about this, and particularly astonished that Barack Obama hasn't thrust it in my face with a negative spin. Possibly he has and I just wasn't paying attention. In any case, this is just what the doctor ordered, and I am delighted that McCain has put it on the table.
Obama, by contrast, wants poor people to get more medical care without addressing the problem of overuse by rich people. Where is that extra medical care going to come from? If the answer is "nowhere," then a primary effect of the Obama plan must be to raise prices, making doctors and hospitals the big beneficiaries.
Of course, there are other things that matter. Foreign and defense policy might matter more than anything, and if I were sure that one or the other candidate were far wiser about these issues, that might be enough to win my vote. But I have no expertise on these matters and no particular reason to trust my own judgment.
I'm sure I'm right about trade and pretty sure I'm right about taxes and health care, but that's because I've thought long and hard about these issues for decades. It seems to me that we ought to be humble about the things we haven't thought hard about, and for me that includes foreign policy. The best I can do is bet that whoever's getting most of the other stuff right is getting this right too.
The bottom line is that I support John McCain. With trepidation.

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Holier than thou UAW union President Getthatfinger had a press conference for this?

It must be true then that Obama is a unions' fish stinking sweaty stool.

Posted by: pete | September 22, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

It seems like the election cycle changes so fast that important things dont get covered by the media? Like Obama reffering to his "muslim faith"? I dont get how this was treated like a small bump and not a Huge deal. http://www.theobamaplan.com

Or the Sarah Palin affair? http://www.hotpres.com
Y hasnt this gotten coverage. Clintons misdeeds got coverage? Double standard because she is a women??

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

-------------------------------------------FACTCHECK.ORG-

Obama's Social Security Whopper
September 20, 2008
He tells Social Security recipients their money would now be in the stock market under McCain's plan. False.
Summary
In Daytona Beach, Obama said that "if my opponent had his way, the millions of Floridians who rely on it would've had their Social Security tied up in the stock market this week." He referred to "elderly women" at risk of poverty, and said families would be scrambling to support "grandmothers and grandfathers."

That's not true. The plan proposed by President Bush and supported by McCain in 2005 would not have allowed anyone born before 1950 to invest any part of their Social Security taxes in private accounts. All current retirees would be covered by the same benefits they are now.

Obama would have been correct to say that many workers under age 58 would have had some portion of their Social Security benefits affected by the current market turmoil – if they had chosen to participate. And market drops would be a worry for those who retire in future decades. But current retirees would not have been affected.

Analysis
In our "Scaring Seniors" article posted Sept. 19 we took apart a claim in an Obama-Biden ad that McCain somehow supported a 50 percent cut in Social Security benefits, which is simply false. Then, on Saturday Sept. 20, Sen. Barack Obama personally fed senior citizens another whopper, this one a highly distorted claim about the private Social Security accounts that McCain supports.


What Obama Said


In Daytona Beach, Florida, Obama said in prepared remarks released by the campaign:

Obama, Sept. 20: And I'll protect Social Security, while John McCain wants to privatize it. Without Social Security half of elderly women would be living in poverty - half. But if my opponent had his way, the millions of Floridians who rely on it would've had their Social Security tied up in the stock market this week. Millions would've watched as the market tumbled and their nest egg disappeared before their eyes. Millions of families would've been scrambling to figure out how to give their mothers and fathers, their grandmothers and grandfathers, the secure retirement that every American deserves. So I know Senator McCain is talking about a "casino culture" on Wall Street - but the fact is, he's the one who wants to gamble with your life savings.

That's untrue. All current retirees would be covered by exactly the same Social Security benefits they are now under what the Obama campaign likes to call the "Bush-McCain privatization plan," which Bush pushed for unsuccessfully in 2005.


Who Would Have Been Affected


As the White House spelled out at the time, on page 5 of the document titled "Strengthening Social Security for the 21st Century," released in February 2005:

Bush Plan: Personal retirement accounts would be phased in. To ease the transition to a personal retirement account system, participation would be phased in according to the age of the worker. In the first year of implementation, workers currently between age 40 and 54 (born 1950 through 1965 inclusive) would have the option of establishing personal retirement accounts. In the second year, workers currently between age 26 and 54 (born 1950 through 1978 inclusive) would be given the option and by the end of the third year, all workers born in 1950 or later who want to participate in personal retirement accounts would be able to do so.

Nobody born before Jan. 1, 1950 could have participated, and anyone born on that date would be 58 years old now. The earliest possible age for receiving Social Security retirement benefits is 62, for early retirement at reduced benefits. Full retirement age is currently 66, and scheduled to go up to age 67 in coming years.

It is certainly true that the stock market carries risks, as recent events remind us. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is down nearly 17 percent for this year, for example, and despite gains in other years it is still barely above where it was at the start of 2000. But historically there have also been rewards for those who make diversified investments and hold for long periods. When Obama spoke, the Dow Jones average still stood 305 percent higher than it had at the start of the 1990's.


Disappearing nest eggs?


Also worth noting here:

The private accounts would have been voluntary. Anybody fearful of the stock market's risk could simply stay in the current system.


Obama's reference to "casino culture," disappearing "nest eggs" and gambling with "your life savings" are also misleading exaggerations. Only a little over one-fourth of any workers' total Social Security taxes could have been invested (a maximum of 4 percent of taxable wages, out of the total 15.3 per cent now paid, split equally between worker and employer.)


Speculation in individual stocks would not have been permitted. Workers would have had a choice of a few, broadly diversified stock or bond funds.


While McCain has voted in favor creating private Social Security accounts in the past, and endorsed Bush's 2005 proposal (which never came to a vote in Congress), he is not making a strong push for them as part of his campaign. In fact, a search for the term "Social Security" on the McCain-Palin Web site brings up the following: "No documents were found."

Footnote: When we contacted the Obama campaign for comment, spokesman Tommy Vietor defended Obama's remarks as accurate:

Vietor: You don’t have to be retired to rely on Social Security. Millions of people who will one day retire rely on Social Security as they plan their future. Senator Obama's bottom line is absolutely true. If McCain got his way and we had private accounts . . . people who are relying on that money for their retirement would be in a very difficult situation.

We would grant Vietor a point if Obama had made any mention of workers being fearful of their future retirement (although this would apply only to those who had chosen to participate in private accounts, and not to everybody.) But Obama did not say that. Instead, he referred to "elderly women" in danger of poverty. He spoke of families "scrambling to figure out how to give their mothers and fathers, their grandmothers and grandfathers" a secure retirement – not to families worrying about their own retirement. If Obama did not mean what he said to be a reference to current retirees, he could say so clearly and amend his words.

-by Brooks Jackson
Sources
The White House, "Strengthening Social Security for the 21st Century," Feb 2005.

Dow Jones & Co. "Dow Jones Industrial Average Historical Performance" Spreadsheet accessed 20 Sep 2008.


Related Articles
Scaring Seniors
An Obama-Biden ad says McCain supports "cutting benefits in half" for Social Security recipients. False!
Bush Proposes Slowing Growth of Social Security Benefits for Future Retirees
Democrats call it a "cut." Compared to what?

Posted by: Scott | September 22, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

As a self made entrepreneur in the top 1% of income and wealth, I am proud to be supporting Obama. The Republican Party is in a downward trend for good reason. With record deficits and lack of oversight we are in economic turmoil. A "successful" man that does not know about the foreign cars he owns and does not know how many houses he owns is out of touch with his own personal situation. NOT someone I would trust with one of the most difficult jobs in the World. Is this the best the Republicans could do? Sad...

Posted by: Former Republican | September 22, 2008 4:33 AM | Report abuse

But you won't see the UAW happy that the family owns a Cadillac, a Ford, two Jeeps, a Lincoln, two Gem's (Chrysler), and a GMC? And the Honda was made here, too. I'd consider that buying A LOT of American... Oh, SHAME! He owns a Volkswagon -- [sarcastically] what a complete liar!

Posted by: Brian | September 22, 2008 4:22 AM | Report abuse

Clutch of Bush veterans helping to coach Gov. Sarah Palin reflects a larger reality about Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign: Far from being a group of outsiders to the GOP power structure, it is now run largely by skilled operatives who learned their crafts in successive Bush campaigns and jobs across Bush government over past eight years.

If anyone thinks John McSame is a maverick and sarah McMoose is a reformer please read the above article in Washington Post. Vote for Mcsame and McMoose is a vote for another BUSH term.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

FROM THE ARTICLE: "The magazine reported that the only car in McCain's name is a Cadillac."

So we come to the truth. John McCain owns only ONE CAR. An American made car.

FROM THE ARTICLE: "But the ones getting him into trouble are the foreign-made cars. According to the magazine, the McCains own a Honda sedan and a Volkswagen convertible -- despite having once claimed to always buy American-made cars."

Does the writer have any evidence John McCain personally purchased all of these cars? None is produced in the story. So why is McCain "getting into trouble"?

So what's the big deal? Why wasn't car ownership an issue when John Kerry ran for President? You know what? Senator McCain still has in his possession all of his military medals. He didn't wipe his rear end with them like John Kerry did.

Posted by: Whomper | September 22, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

My lord, is there anything McCain won't lie about?

Right Wingers, it's not about McCain's 13 cars or even that he owns foreign cars it's that he LIED. Again.

John McCain is a serial liar. And what's really sad is that he even lies about trivial stuff like this.

Posted by: John McCain Is A Serial Liar | September 22, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Michael D. Shear is a butt boy for the Democrat Party. He's a partisan hack. Sixty seconds on Google shows Honda produces automobiles in the U.S. Mr. Shear instead chose to write a story based upon ignorance and partisanship. So to claim Senator McCain owning a Honda is proof he's not buying American made cars is simply a lie. Michael D. Shear put his flaming hatred for John McCain ahead of journalist ethics.

Posted by: Whomper | September 22, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Made in the USA Honda Accord Celebrates 25th Anniversary:

http://inventorspot.com/articles/made_usa_honda_accord_celebrates_7912

Posted by: Whomper | September 22, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Thirteen cars AND A SMALL JET. Cindy says the only way to get around AZ is by airplane.

Posted by: linda in nm | September 22, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Pathetic. Is this all the liberal media has left? Criticizing a *genuine* war hero for his car buying habits? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Whomper | September 22, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

"So sad & pitiful that some people in this country look on the success of others with envy instead of positive motivation."
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Do you mean like, bank robbers too?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Cool! Maybe he can park them all in front of this &#Q#$'s house and have them running with the exhaust piped into this #%#$%%#&'s bedroom then he'll sleep better. I guess this ##(*^)%)&% doesn't realize Hondas are made in the US.

Posted by: Rick | September 21, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

After all these years of lie after lie one would assume the man has made some money with his particular and lethal brand of snakeoil.

Posted by: Mercedes | September 21, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me why McCain voted against leahy amendment 3292. Bush made a mccain an offer he could not refuse. In 2004 McCain started to change for the worst.

Posted by: Chitown | September 21, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry- Ivan- you are clearly of at least normal intelligence- it's just when I read all the anti Obama prattle- on the whole it seems rather dim witted, so you get lumped- like racist tend to lump all african americams, or Hispanics.
By the way I disagree with a lot of the critiques- I personally think
reverend wright is clearly a genius, but not the kind of oratory that the mases can appreciate.
Lux Lumina is essentially shining light, it was a mystical substance construct in the early middle ages{ essentially the mind of God manifest as light.) Reference Robert Grosset (1380?)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sir,

Perhaps a bit of research would illuminate this discussion. Many of the "Foreign Marques" actually have more domestic content than many GM products.

It is my understanding that Honda and Volkswagen, along with many foreign producers, have major production facilities in the United States. Only makes sense. It's a balance between shipping costs and paying higher wages.

Regards,

Roy Lofquist
Titusville, Florida

Posted by: Roy Lofquist | September 21, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

So sad & pitiful that some people in this country look on the success of others with envy instead of positive motivation. They are only hurting themselves & I'm guessing they won't end up with much in the way of cars, that is unless Obama's administration buys them one. lol

Posted by: kgeorge107 | September 21, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Lux & Tana, Thanks for your replies. I gave you 63 reasons not to vote for Nobama and all you can do is call me an inbred racist beer-swilling redneck with a sub-100 IQ. Democrats are great at calling people names but can rarely argue with facts. Got to go, my Pabst is getting warm...

Posted by: Ivan in Mesa, AZ | September 21, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

So the McCains, who are multimillionaires, have 13 vehicles.

That's it? They got a bunch of kids. Why WOULDN'T they have a bunch of cars. Are they supposed to get around in Segways (or is it "segue"s)?

That's the best the MSM can do in terms of sliming them? Hopefully you'll next go after Jay Leno. He's got a bunch of cars.

And John Mc Cain himself drives the American made Cadillac. So besides class envy, what is the problem here?

Posted by: Missy5537 | September 21, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Tno ruthfully being a politician qua politician is'nt very savory in my mind.

Political comes from the greek polis for Essential axia as of a comunity- I think he been a fine axis for the "revolution" of diverse and sophisticated ideads, for the creation of a moral spher if you will.
I can extente this in numerous ways, but really not the appropriate arena
If your intereste d- print ir here :your email - this crowd would pillory me if they got mine publiclly- like Socrates I try to be a gadfly.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain can wake up next to a different person every day and still be faithful to her husband.

Posted by: Charles | September 21, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Jeff, Dave, whatever your latest screen name is. . . I take it you're not a big Obama fan? Did I get that right?

Posted by: scientist1 | September 21, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't making fun of your spelling. That is silly.

That would be like writing SLOBan, SLOBan, SLOBan.

Just plain silly.

What are some of Obama's political accomplishments?

Posted by: Sioban | September 21, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm irish and italian;

poets and priest on one side

Lawyers and engineers on the other

The Italian side were Cavalieri(knights)

Chief Avacado in Sardina in the time of Nepolian.


Posted by: lux lumina | September 21, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't panic our American friends. THE DUDE WILL SAVE YOU.

Posted by: justadad55+ | September 21, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

No I'm 55, but my IQ is slightly higher than 149.

Thats the way it goes, by the way I'm a bad speller, because I think very fast, and drop letters ans words.

Posted by: lex lumina | September 21, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

(Lux, you are such as classy American. I am from Ireland, Sioban is an Irish name.)(pronounced "Sha-vaughn")

Seriously, what are a few of Obama's accomplishments? What has he done as a politician that inspires your confidence?

Posted by: Sioban | September 21, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

SLOBan SLOBan SLOBan

He was an honors graduate from HARVARD LAW- editor of the Law
Rview.

In our country this stamps your ticket- you can do anything you want to do.

My god where are you from slobovia? or the freaking moonballs Kentucky?

Posted by: lux Lumina | September 21, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Reasons not to vote Obama:
1. Flip on FISA
2. Flip on Campaign Finance
3. Lack of cars.

Cars....a serious issue people.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that Obama followers all trade sophomoric insults and name call?
Oh, thats right. You are all mostly still 19.

Posted by: Sioban | September 21, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I like rich dudes like McCain. They hire a lot of people to work for the conpanies they own and they pay taxes. Obama on the other hand wants to hire a lot of people on the taxpayers nickel. That is all community organizers understand.

Posted by: Ralph Woods | September 21, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

TIM! TIM TIM!

He nearly flunked out of the Naval Academy- save by his Admiral father.
That was before he was a POW.

If he hadn’t been a POW his career would have been over long ago.

Don’t you think- the POW is the only think that saves him from utter mediocrity?

He was good looking when he was young man: may he could have been a J. Crew Model- a shame they didn’t have JCREW back them.

Posted by: Lux Lumina | September 21, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters,
Can you give me a few of Obama's accomplishments?

Posted by: Sioban | September 21, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't care, there are a lot of adults in that family so it doesn't surprise me. The Obama's use government vehicles on the taxpayer's dime.

Posted by: KARA | September 21, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

OK the GEMs don't count. That's piling on. And Cindy's BUD car is a company car. And then two foreign cars. Big deal. He's still supporting the industry--he's got EIGHT American cars. And he needs those to drive to his houses when he parks his jet.

Posted by: scientist1 | September 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

In McCain's defense, he was a POW

Posted by: Tim | September 21, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Now McCain Campaign is asking for rules for Palin's debate with Biden.
Rules for Sarah - include scripted interviews, not turning in tax returns, not showing up for troopergate.
Tom Brokaw, Bob Schieffer and Jim Lehrer - we are counting on you to do your job like Charlie Gibson did. There are no rules when someone is running for VP. There were none for Hillary or anyone else.
People lets just call this what it is - a farce. McCain is putting himself first not the country - don't let him fool you.
This is a sad day in America

Posted by: Terri | September 21, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

JR:
Maybe it would be "refreshing" to have some one Like Sarah Plain for president,
Who took 6 years to get through 3 rd rate colleges?

Those intelligent, intellectual types aren’t very much fun, too erudite, and analytic.
She would be entreating at the UN, doing cheerleading, and saying she smells funny smells :"l the smell the devil:' she would be funny like Hugo Chavez.

Most of the world’s diplomats would find that hilarious!

Posted by: Lux Lumina | September 21, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about the 13 cars. I care about his temper. He flow off the handle saying if he was president he would fire cox. Some one need to tell him think before he speak. Palin star is burning out he should have picked a strong economic veep.

Posted by: thinktwice | September 21, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Drill Baby Drill!

McCain needs the gas!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain owns 13 cars, Obama owns 1 hybrid.

McCain is against stricter fuel standards.

Can't say McCain is self serving and he can claim that Obama's support for less fuel consumption is for personal gain.

McCain says he is against global warming. He hopes like Bush that you will judge him by what he says and not what he does.

Posted by: Go Figure | September 21, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

So WHAT if the McCain's have 13 cars?
It is not like they drive them all at one time. Between staffers, kids, nannies, etc - they probably provide wheels as perks to many people. Buy Baby Buy - more jobs for everyone. Amercans make money off Hondas, too, ya know!!!!

As for the origins - Obama's Chrysler ? CANADIAN!!!! He traded it in after getting hammered about owning a guzzler.

But - WHY the heck is this news?
NEITHER of them are driving themselves, and sure won't be if elected.

God no wonder voters are apathetic.
Tabloid issues are the front page election issues for the frickin leader of the free world?


Posted by: JinTX | September 21, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

JR:

We'll have to agree to disagree then, because I think that Gov. Palin is MORE qualified to be President than Sen. Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2008 4:49 PM

JakeD learned about Palin's qualifications from all of the intervew's she did last week. He knows so much about her from how she read the prompter in St Paul.

What JakeD did not say is that the only qualification to be president or VP is to be against Roe V Wade.

JakeD says McCain will work across the isle but how would JakeD know because his horizons are so limited.

JR you are in the company of the majority of the American people if you do agree to disagree. Personally I think his attitude toward choice is so disgusting that I would not agree to disagree with him

Posted by: JR jr | September 21, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Yet and he was so lucky (mcwhoshouldbecained) to hook up with that queen of liars.
Now we have tweedle liar number 1, and his VP tweedle liar number two!

Wonderful pair.

Talk about the moral abyss that is the USA.

Posted by: lux Lumina | September 21, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain -
- Cheated on his invalid wife (multiple times)
- Married a rich heiress, he didn't earn any of this wealth
- Said he'd run a clean campaign, then hired Bush's hitmen to run it
- Has run the dirtiest, most dishonest/hypocrital campaign in history
- Has publically disrespected Vietnam MIA families
- Has repeatedly lied about Obama. Factchecks have proved this time and time again
- Has "approved" dispicable ad campaigns with subtle racist overtones.
- Has "approved" a dispicable ad with subtle overtones that Obama is the anti-christ

McCain is a small, dishonest, egotistical, old man who rather than being a "maverick" is an unbalanced, erratic, angry man with issues.

Posted by: McCain and "Family Values" | September 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Me like palin me like macaine. him got 100 houses and 50 cars and you dont. that why you jealous and him be president of usa with hottie vice president on his lap till he croaks then we have super hottie president whith beehive hairdo hot and safty goggle glasses hot and she calls democratic people names at convention ha ha you lose obama you arent black anyway but macaine is super white and no mixed race people in white house. Only condi cause she do what bush orders her. yay repuvlicans in 2008!!!

Posted by: D Miner | September 21, 2008 8:36 PM

D, I assume you are trying to be funny- If not your one big scheisskopf. You right about Palin being Hot- if you like MILF
porno: she looks like a reall hottie for a MILF actress: not sure I want her for president.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Mcain: Last in his class. Crashed a bunch of planes. Bombed civilians in NVietnam 23 times. Left his handicapped wife for a rich beer baroness in order to buy his way into politics after being drummed out of military. Reputation for losing his temper at everyone including demeaning to women.
After being dishonestly and disgustingly smeared by the typical republican machine in 2000, and losing to Bush, he disowned his "reformer" creds to become the nominee. Now as the the country flounders under Bush's 8 years, he and the rest of the repubs try dis-information campaign; by claiming to RECREATE the REPUB PARTY, based on his reform attempts even though he said this year: "I WILL ALWAYS BE A DEREGULATOR" (btw which caused the financial crisis we are in now).
Spin? Literally.
TOO OLD, TOO LATE, TOO BAD Mcain.

Posted by: ukeman | September 21, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

IIvan:
You listed 63 people as reasons for not voting for obama:
I guess you used that number because it equals your IQ.

You are an ignorant racist.

But if you can guess what my handle means, and put it in historical context, I'll send you $5 so you can take your family out for dinner.

Posted by: Lux Lumina | September 21, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Me like palin me like macaine. him got 100 houses and 50 cars and you dont. that why you jealous and him be president of usa with hottie vice president on his lap till he croaks then we have super hottie president whith beehive hairdo hot and safty goggle glasses hot and she calls democratic people names at convention ha ha you lose obama you arent black anyway but macaine is super white and no mixed race people in white house. Only condi cause she do what bush orders her. yay repuvlicans in 2008!!!

Posted by: D Miner | September 21, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama must be RUNNING SCARED to have his buddy - you know - the Queen of Talk Shows - put such pressure on the media to report garbage like this.

Posted by: chicagopearl | September 21, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

NOW WHAT?!?? ARE WE BURNING THE VOLKSWAGEN OWNERS AT THE STAKE? AREN'T VOLKSWAGENS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY DUE TO THEIR LOW FUEL CONSUMPTION? A CADILLAC ESCALADE WOULD BE BETTER?

GROW UP DETROIT! PULLEEZE!

Posted by: chicagopearl | September 21, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

NOW WHAT?!?? ARE WE BURNING THE VOLKSWAGEN OWNERS AT THE STAKE? AREN'T VOLKSWAGENS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY DUE TO THEIR LOW FUEL CONSUMPTION? A CADILLAC ESCALADE WOULD BE BETTER?

GROW UP DETROIT! PULLEEZE!

Posted by: chicagopearl | September 21, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

NOW WHAT?!?? ARE WE BURNING THE VOLKSWAGEN OWNERS AT THE STAKE? AREN'T VOLKSWAGENS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY DUE TO THEIR LOW FUEL CONSUMPTION? A CADILLAC ESCALADE WOULD BE BETTER?

GROW UP DETROIT! PULLEEZE!

Posted by: chicagopearl | September 21, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

The Doric columns were Styrofoam, I doubt they cost that much.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

"I am sure that one of those"greek columns" cost more than all these cars put together.Instead asking us to payup,why didint Hussein donate some of his money to improve lives of ghetto dwellers in Chicago south side?" Posted by: Anonymous

First, his name is Barack Obama. Hussein is his middle name. These are Arab names, not necessarily Muslim names. Most Muslims have Arab names; not all Arabs have Muslim names and Barak is half-Kenyan black, half-American white, not even an Arab. Barack's a Christian with an Arab name, chosen by his father.

At the time Barack was a community organizer in the south side of Chicago, you'd know if you paid attention, he didn't have any money except what the churches and residents with whom he worked were able to give him: $13K a year. That leaves plenty for donations, doesn't it? Besides, what he gave what his heart and soul into galvanizing the residents of that area into acting for themselves by setting up crime watches, agitating for city funds to clean up asbestos-ridden housing, demanding the re-opening of a closed steel plant in the area, etc. He showed up day and day and night after night, working 18 hours to 20 hours at a time, to help the people of that area help themselves, to make them aware of how they could do that when so many were in despair that nothing could be done to improve their lives and neighborhoods.
That's what community organizers DO -- they give of themselves. Throwing money at most problems doesn't solve them, and he knew that; he'd have given of himself even if he had had lots more money than he did, just as he plans to give of himself to us, considers himself a member of us, and, in fact, IS one of us.
He and his family have ONE CAR, not 13.
Check out the facts; the truth shall set you free.

Posted by: bryony | September 21, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Good ol' John McCain-- Country Club First... Even without his 8 houses and 13 cars, he would still be out of touch. Too old! Too punchy! And that VP is beyond laughable. C'mon, all you racist types, get with the program or stay home and don't ruin it for the rest of us. What about '8 years of hell is enough' don't you understand?

Posted by: lsigalov | September 21, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

So, zazzle at 7:24, let me get this straight: not only do you buy into the lies about Obama spread by racists, but you then justify your decision to not vote for him because you're afraid it'll make al-Qaeda mad?

Wow. That is a stunning admission of cowardice.

Posted by: scott | September 21, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama sucks.

Posted by: dukas | September 21, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said the senator's comments to the Detroit TV station were referring to the one car in his name: the Cadillac. "And [he] has in the past driven Corvettes and other American cars," Rogers said. McCain aides said some of the 13 cars are actually used by their four children and others are "recreational
vehicles and pickups and such" that they use on their vacation property in Sedona.

########################################

Is this what McCain calls "straight talk"?

Posted by: maggots | September 21, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

"This is proof that the foundations of the economy is strong"

Posted by: John McCain | September 21, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

"Our Dem family will take 113 cars any day over Black Liberation Theology! Heck, make it 5,113. Nothing would make alQaeda madder than for the U.S. to elect a newbie senator, born a Muslim but later defecting to a form of Christianity! No way, no how, NObama! Posted by: zazzle

uh, zazzle, where do you get your news? Obama doesn't preach "Black Liberation Theology," although his Christian pastor betrayed him by using his Presidential bid to grab a spot at the limelight in order to do so -- and Obama separated himself from that church.
Obama was NOT "born a Muslim." He was born to a Christian mother and raised by her Christian parents and has been a practicing Christian all his life, much more active in church than McCain. That his grandfather was a Muslim doesn't say much. My grandmother was a Quaker. Am I? NO! Religion isn't inherited, something you can look up just about anywhere.

Posted by: bryony | September 21, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Troopergate saga continues, can you say impartial? (part 1)

"Sarah Palin initially welcomed the investigation of accusations that she dismissed the state's public safety commissioner because he refused to fire her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper. "Hold me accountable," she said.

But she has increasingly opposed it since Republican presidential candidate John McCain tapped her as his running mate. The McCain campaign dispatched a legal team to Alaska including O'Callaghan, a former top U.S. terrorism prosecutor from New York to bolster Palin's local lawyer.

McCain-Palin presidential campaign spokesman Ed O'Callaghan announced today that Todd Palin would not appear, because he no longer believes the Legislature's investigation is legitimate.

Sen. Bill Wielechowski, D-Anchorage, said the McCain campaign is doing all it can to prevent the Legislature from completing a report on whether the GOP's vice presidential nominee abused her power as governor."
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/530493.html


"Campaign spokesmen said Thursday that while the governor is resisting the legislative investigation, she is cooperating with a separate inquiry the state Personnel Board is conducting.
The board, and not the Legislature, is the proper authority to look into Monegan's dismissal, they said."
http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/530885.html


"But Palin's state-hired attorney Thomas Van Flein said the matter should be taken up by the state's personnel board. Van Flein and Palin have asked the three members to resolve the dispute over the firing.

The board's members are appointed by the governor. One of the three, Debra English, was re-appointed by Palin in January. The other two members - Laura Plenert and Alfred Tamagni, Sr - have served since 2004 and 2006, respectively."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/06/politics/main4422385.shtml

"Tamgani donated $400 to Palin for her 2006 race for Governor."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Ivan;
Save the comments for your butt-scratching, lily-livered Pabst Beer drinking, inbred relatives in Arizona.

Posted by: tanaS | September 21, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Troopergate saga continues, can you say impartial? (part 2)

So her self appointed board, with at least one contributore to her past campaign is impartial?

I wonder what if any relationship the board members have to Palin as Palin is known for appointing her frineds to government positions.


"So when there was a vacancy at the state Agriculture Department, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency.

Ms. Havemeister was one of at least five high school classmates Ms. Palin hired, often at salaries far exceeding their private sector wages."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-palin_14pol.ART.State.Edition1.26e9372.html


Also it looks like at least one board member shares Palin's depth of experience.


"PLENERT, LAURA
Food & Beverage, MCDONALDS OF KETCHIKAN, RESTAURANT MANAGER, MCDONALDS, AK, 2002 1 $500"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"How Many Reasons do you Need Not to Vote for Obama?!"

1. John McCain
2. Sarah Palin
3. George Bush
4. Dick Cheney
5. Karl Rove
6. 26 years in Congress that still hasn't taught John McCain anything about what is best for this country or its citizens and has left him "divorced" from the average American.

(Actually, reasons nos. 1 and 2 are more than enough for me to vote for Obama!)

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 21, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

jakeD:
Only an idiot like you can confabulate a lie!

Posted by: tanaS | September 21, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain did not lie. He said he owned ONLY one American made car. WaPo wants that to be made into a lie. The Senator's other cars are foreign made autos. So, in fact, McCain tells the truth.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

How Many Reasons do you Need Not to Vote for Obama?!

Posted by: Ivan in Mesa, AZ | September 21, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

1. Barack Hussein Obama 2. Michele Obama 3. Joseph Biden 4. Rev Jeremiah Wright 5. Trinity United Church of Christ 6. Black Liberation Theology 7. William Ayers 8. Bernardine Dohrn 9. Saul Alinsky 10. Woods Foundation 11. Arab American Action Network (AAAN) 12. Rashid Khalidi 13. Edward Said 14. Rail Odinga 15. Al Sharpton 16. Louis Farrakhan 17. Nation of Islam 18. Islam 19. Daniel Kurtzer 20. Merrill “Tony” McPeak 21. Samantha Power 22. Robert Malley 23. Hamilton 24. Brzezinsky 25. Joseph Cirincione 26. Marxism 27. Socialism 28. Proposed Tax increases 29. J-Street Lobby 30. Tony Rezko 31. Live Birth Abortion 32. Foreign Policy 33. Supported by Hamas 34. Khalid Al-Mansour 35. Catholic Liberation Theology 36. Palestinian Liberation Theology 37. Michael Phlegler 38. Brian McLaren 39. Jim Wallis 40. Tony Campolo 41. Obamanigeria 42. Expanded Faith-Based Initiatives 43. First Amendment 44. Disarmament 45. Second Amendment 46. FISA 47. Fourth Amendment 48. Babies of “Punished” Unwed Mothers Everywhere 49. Fifth Amendment 50. Tenth Amendment 51. Funding Pakistani Schools 52. George Soros 53. Ingrid Mattson 54. Typical White People 55. Mazen Asbahi 56. Jimmy Carter 57. Interfaith Dialogue 58. Hugo Chavez 59. Muamar Gaddafi 60. Jerusalem 61. National Jewish Democratic Council 62. ACORN 63. The Annenberg Papers

Use Google & YouTube searches to learn more

Posted by: Ivan in Mesa, AZ | September 21, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Our Dem family will take 113 cars any day over Black Liberation Theology! Heck, make it 5,113.

Nothing would make alQaeda madder than for the U.S. to elect a newbie senator, born a Muslim but later defecting to a form of Christianity!

No way, no how, NObama!

Posted by: zazzle | September 21, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

And what houses they are!

"Take the McCain House Tour!
With Places to Hang His Hat on Two Coasts -- and a Few in Between -- the Candidate Is Living Large"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/21/AR2008082103691.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Kara, I will support Obama ... and proudly do so ... and post as many responses in support of him as I please. If you are so fragile that you cannot engage in a discussion without getting your feelings hurt, then don't post at all. I am neither rude nor condescending; but you are obviously too sensitive to discuss politics. I do, however, believe in the notion of every person having a fair say in each and every election. You might consider that notion, and stop preaching to others about the way in which they show their support.

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 21, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

13 cars and 7 houses. No wonder he is clueless about the problems we face everyday. He is out of touch.

Posted by: silverspring | September 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

To all you who think McCain such a hero:

It does not qualify him to become President. End of subject.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

You McCain zealots are dumb a$$ m0thurphokers.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I am sure that one of those"greek columns" cost more than all these cars put together.Instead asking us to payup,why didint Hussein donate some of his money to improve lives of ghetto dwellers in Chicago south side?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Do us a favor Kay-don't post in support of Obama. You come off as very condescending and rude. I do not think you will do much in the way of helping Obama win in November.
There are certain devices, oh, I believe they are referred to as rhetorical, that people use in communication, such as "Who cares?"
Thanks for your thoughful reply, though.

Posted by: Kara | September 21, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

pretty irrelevant.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

First, Kara, my name is Kay. Second, and to answer your very simplistic question: No, this will not change my vote at all. This entire issue just proves that I made the correct choice the first time around, and I will not need to second-guess myself. My vote for Obama is the correct choice because McCain proves himself more and more to be a man not worthy of the Presidency. This all revolves around the issue of who we trust more to safeguard the citizens of America. I believe that a man cannot be trusted to protect me and my family and the issues that are important to us if he so out of touch with my family that he is petty enough to lie about whether he owns foreign-made cars and whether he has "divorced" himself from the average American.

I understood your point the first time you posted. And my point remains valid. Apparently, you do care enough about this issue to post.

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 21, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the PTS (Palin Truth Squad) should be renamed the Palin Un-Truth Zealots or PUTZ.

"McCain Press Aide Calls Alaska Reporter At Home To Complain About Unfavorable Coverage

Jason Moore, a reporter with Anchorage-based KTUU-TV, just confirmed to TPMmuckraker that Megan Stapleton, a spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign in Alaska, called his home to complain about one of Moore's news reports, and accused Moore of calling Stapleton and another McCain staffer liars.

Moore's report looked at the McCain-Palin campaign's "Truth Squad," an aggressive Alaska-based public relations campaign that's being led by Stapleton and former federal prosecutor Ed O'Callaghan and is designed to help thwart the Trooper-Gate investigation.

Moore reported that the Truth Squad was not always entirely truthful itself. He noted that Stapleton had said in a Friday press conference that it was Hollis French, the Democrat overseeing the investigation, who had pulled one name, that of former Palin chief of staff Mike Tibbles, off the list of witnesses to receive subpoenas. Stapleton had pointed to this as an inappropriate political maneuver by French.

But in fact, Moore reported, it was GOP Rep. Jay Ramras, a McCain supporter, who took Tibbles' name off the list. Moore quoted Ramras saying so."

http://syrin.vox.com/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

...This is a phony issue. It is as pointless as a flag pin. Anyone who seriously votes on something like the # of cars a candidate has or whether he eats arugula should not be allowed to vote.

Posted by: Kara | September 21, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain raised his sons to join the military.

McCain's 19 year old son just came back from Iraq.

McCain's 19 year old son found out McCain won New Hampshire while he was digging himself out of a ditch in Iraq.

McCain's 19 year old son is a grunt in Iraq.

I am tired of this military family being smeared for this wright chicago south side crook.


McCain has another son who will be also in combat.

McCain raised two sons to join the military, one a marine in iraq.

Yeah some elitist he raised his 19 year old son to be a grunt marine who just came back from Iraq.

McCain is about honor, country, service.


McCain has served this country in uniform.

McCain lived in a cell for 5 and a half years and wouldn't leave his men behind.f

McCain is about country while Obama is about himself.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

...Many apologies, Karen. let me be more explicit for you:
With the current state of our economy, with unemployment so high, why are we discussing the number of CARS a candidate has? How does this help anyone?

Does that help you grasp my exasperation?

Will you change your vote because of an issue like this...curiously?

Posted by: Kara | September 21, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Cindy loves that Obama supported giving an award to Farakkan.

Cindy is that your real name or is it mohammed.

You like wright saying American's chickens came home to roost on 9/11.


You like Obama being close with terrorist khaladi.


You like Obama in 2004 saying to palestinian activist he supported hamas's bombings.

You like Obama's relationship with ayres who doesn't regret the bombings.

You love the islamic Hussein Obama.


You want to elect an enemy to this country.


You Hussein supporters are a cancer to this country.

Posted by: Cindy wants to elect Hussein as president how nice | September 21, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Don't let it bother you kara, it is just because they are behind again in the polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I would bet the 2 latest Democrat presidential rejects, Al Gore and John Kerry, own as many or more cars as the McCain family. Don't forget to count their homes and boats while your at it, Mr. Shear. I can't wait for this reporter to blow the lid off their hypocrisy. NOT!

Posted by: Ivan in Mesa, AZ | September 21, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Biden bought his compound from the credit card company sweetheart deal.


McCain gave 25,000 to the hurricane victims.

Obama nothing.


Obama made tens of millions on his books nothing to charity from them.


Obama the Mr Rezko mulitmillion dollar home.

Obama lets vote for marxism south side chicago style.

Lets vote for the protege of wright.

Lets vote for Pfleger's moral compass.

Obama is a threat to america.


Yeah lets elect Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Jesse | September 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

And Hussein rides a camel.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"Oh my God. Who cares?!"

Apparently, Kara, you do. ... Otherwise, why would you post?

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 21, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh my God.
Who cares?!

Posted by: Kara | September 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to see that McCain's supporters are as 'panicked' as he is. The only defense they can come up for him is name calling. I guess what comes around eventually goes around. You all wanted this to be a mud fight. McCain now has to run away not only from Bush but also McCain!

Posted by: Cindy | September 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama drove a 300C gas guzzler until he was called out about it while lecturing everyone else.

Get your facts straight Iris.


Iris how dare you.


McCain is disabled because of his war injuries.


McCain can't play golf in Hawaii like Obama.


McCain can't go to the gym playing hoops 3 times a day like Obama.


McCain can't go bodysurfing in Hawaii like Obama.

McCain can't move his arms above his head to play golf like Obama.

McCain is disabled. A fly bothers Obama in interview.

Obama is a priss.


Obama is obsessed with shades and if a fly is near him.

McCain is a patriot Obama is a coward.

Posted by: Iris you islamic loving Hussein supporter | September 21, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a preening priss showman.

Obama obsessed about his shades.

Obama wearns ten thousand dollar suits.

Obama goes golfing in Hawaii. McCain can't do that because of war injuries.

Obama goes bodysurfing in Hawaii.


McCain had his teeth knocked out, arms crippled, skin burned to hell so liberal bloggers decades later could laugh at him.


McCain had his arms hung from a ceiling and tied with rope breaking them repeatedly behind his back.

McCain wouldn't leave his men behind.

This Bambi Obama is bothered by a fly in interviews. McCain is never bothered by a fly.


McCain grew up with no money.


McCain lived on an allowance.

McCain lived in military bases and then in the U.S McCain stayed in rental home to rental home.


McCain's mother moved them throughout the country.


McCain's father was at war. They didn't have money.

Posted by: You Hussein supporters are a cult of marxism | September 21, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey Michael Shear,

How much money do you make on the side serving as Obama's valet? You should be ashamed of yourself, dood. It's getting pretty embarrassing with your blatant lynching of John McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama Hussein is the one who goes golfing in Hawaii.

McCain can't play golf because of war injuries.

Obama Hussein is the one whose top finacial advisor is worth billions her name is Pritzer and she ran her company to the ground and left with all the loot like lehman brothers.

Obama Hussein is the one living the high life.


Posted by: Jeff | September 21, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

No wonder McCain wants to drill, drill, drill. 13 cars and not one hybrid. We're the POW now -- prisoners of whatever country supplies oil for McCain's fat cat lifestyle. This is not leadership. Enough! I'll take the leader with one hybrid car, who doesn't just talk conservation, but tries to keep a reasonable control over his energy footprint.

Posted by: Iris | September 21, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama Hussein voted to keep a felony for a homeowner who defended his family with a handgun against a robber.


Obama just think about that voted for a felony for a homeowner using a handgun to protect his family against a robber.


Obama doesn't believe homeowners should be allowed to have handguns to protect themselves against robbers.


Obama said ICE agents were terrorizing illegals.


Just think about that someone running for president slamming patriotic american public servents who would serve under him and praising people who are breaking the law.

Obama Hussein wants illegals to have driver's licenses.

Obama Hussein wants illegals to have affirmative action.


Obama Hussein is a vote for marxism.

Posted by: You Obama Hussein supporters are marxists | September 21, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

This is journalism? well, yes, this is today's journalism. What a waste of energy. When are you dopes going to realize that these blogs do nothing but spread negative vibrations? Go talk to a real person and change your own world.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama the liar.


Obama said his parents met at selma.

Only problem is he was 4.


Obama said his uncle freed auschwitz.

Another lie.

Obama lied about what he knew about rezko.


Obama said no one could have had any inkling while in fact he knew Rezko was under federal investigation for influence peddling.

Obama Hussein lied to the washington post, good morning america about what he knew about Rezko.

Posted by: Obama Hussein like electing your enemy as president | September 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain was against the enron loophole.

McCain in 2006 tried to pass a bill to clean up fannie mae.

Obama was nowhere.

McCain voted against tax breaks for oil companies.

Obama voted for tax breaks for oil companies.


McCain in 2002 worked with carl levin to pass a bill that would have forced more regulation on companies like fannie mae.

McCain is hated by big business remember campaign finance reform.


Obama has gotten ten times the money from big business.

Obama Hussein hired Jim Johnson the 25 million CEO of Fannie Mae to head his VP search team.

Obama Hussein hates this country.


He nodded while Wright bashed this country.

Obama Hussein was extremely islamic in indonesia.


Obama Hussein is an arab. His father's whole side of the family are muslims.


Don not elect a muslim as president.

Obama Hussein nodded as Wright bashed america and it was witnessed by a reporter.

Obama Hussein hates this country.

Posted by: To Seems to me | September 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey, you Republicans were the ones who wanted to talk about elitism and hypocrisy. We'll keep talking about it until you are begging us to stop. You have got nothing.

John McCain is a first class phony and a silver spoon legacy child, with family going back to the plantation days in Mississippi. He has never held a job in the private sector, but has benefited from his wife's inherited wealth as the daughter of a beer tycoon. Don't try to talk about how much John McCain knows about the struggle of the little guy. That is a joke.

Posted by: Chuck | September 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Wait,

McCain doesn't own the non american cars.

They are owned by his wife and driven by one of his seven children.

Mccain did a prenup with his wife.


You hate Palin.


But Obama who did a land deal with rezko while he was under federal investigation for influence peddling is fine.


Obama then lied about it to the washington post.

McCain is a patriot Obama praised Wright after he blamed America for 9/11.


To bob you are not worried about Obama Hussein at the top of the ticket but are worried about Palin at the bottom of the ticket.

Bob you hate america you want to elect someone that hates this country like Hussein Obama.

Posted by: To Bob | September 21, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, like George Bush, insisted on forcing deregulation of the banks on the country. They and their friends in the republican party have profited obscenely driving millions of families into debt and foreclosure.
Hiding behind false patriotism, he, like
Bush, will bear most of blame for America's financial downfall.
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
After 26 years in power so is John McCain corrupted.
13 cars and 7 houses.

Posted by: seems to me | September 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

for those who attack Obama's character, please take a minute to visit www.counterpunch.com to read about the real John McCain.

Posted by: John | September 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

At a billionaire's home in San Francisco Obama Hussein talks down to small town americans. He calls them bitter, anti trade, anti immigrant, antipathy for people that don't look like them.


That is elitism. McCain has never talked down to small town americans like that at a san francisco fundraiser.

Reject this Hussein Fraud. Worst thing to ever happen to this country this Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Obama elitist Hussein sticks his nose at middle america | September 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama to CNBC said he was fine if gas prices go up gradually.

Obama says no offshore drilling.

Obama votes to give tax breaks to the oil companies.

McCain votes against tax breaks to the oil companies.


Obama Hussein saying no offshore drilling while driving a 300C and lecturing other americans about gas guzzlers.

Posted by: Obama Hussein a curse | September 21, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Hussein Obama gave Rezko 14 million dollars as a state legislature in earmarks.

Hussein Obama in return got land from Rezko while he was under federal investigation for influence peddling.


Hussein Obama then lied about what he knew about Rezko.


Hussein Obama had rezko build a fence for him while he was under federal investigation for influence peddling.


Hussein Obama bought 1/6th of a separate lot from rezko while rezko was under federal investigation for influence peddling.

This was doing Obama a huge favor because Rezko was devaluing the rest of the lot with this sale.


Obama, Wright, Pfleger, Rezko south side chicago corruption.

Posted by: Obama Rezko corruption | September 21, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"I can't take McCain being taken out of context anymore. The dems are constantly lying and taking McCain out of context."

Wow! Did someone on here defending John McCain actually accuse Democrats of taking John McCain out of context? Remember "lipstick on a pig"? Remember "our economy is fundamentally strong"? McCain isn't being taken out of context. He's just being force-fed his own lies!!!!!!

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 21, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Hussein Obama bought land from Rezko while he was under federal investigation for influence peddling.

Hussein Obama that south side chicago crook gave earmark money to his wife's hospital.


Hussein Obama has pocketed 10 million from his books.

McCain donates millions from his book all to charity.

Hussein Obama pockets his senate salary increases.

McCain has donated his senate salary increases since 1989 to charity.


Hussein Obama gave earmarks to his wife's hospital and then her salary doubled.

Posted by: David | September 21, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The number of cars that McCain owns isn't a big deal. The big deal is that he saw fit to lie about where the cars he owns are manufactured because he perceived it to be to his political advantage to do so.

The fact that he chose Sarah Palin, who is absolutely unqualified to be Vice President or President of the United States, convinced me that he thinks first about his political career when making a decisiion. The welfare of the nation is seondary.

Posted by: Bob | September 21, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama buys land for Rezko while Rezko was under federal investigation for influence peddling.

Obama then lied about it.

Obama got a multimillionaire dollar home from Rezko.


Obama was driving a 300C gas guzzlar last year while lecturing everyone else.


Posted by: Jeff | September 21, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama's previous car was a Chrysler 3000, not very green, but hardly a fleet like McCain or Palin.


"The fact that Obama claims to just own one vehicle sums up the phoniness of Obama and the gullability of the Democrats. I'm suuuuuuure he just owns one vehicle, and what do you know its an 08 hybrid, just in time for the campaign.

Posted by: charles130 | September 21, 2008 6:07 PM"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Had McCain's Rovian campaign not accused Obama of being an "elitist" and a "celebrity," it should not have mattered that the McCains own 7 houses and 13 cars; and Cindy, "Ms. Bud," wears a $350,000 on the first day of the Republican "uS" vs. "them" convention (it is true, she did wear a $ 350,000 dress while their inexperienced VP candidate was about to attack Obama for not feeling with the working class in rural America).

Posted by: Nabeel | September 21, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

They are not McCain's car.

He and his wife has a prenup.

They are cars for his 7 children and they are owned by his wife.

The cars McCain drives are american.


I can't take McCain being taken out of context anymore.


The dems are constantly lying and taking McCain out of context.

It is context not a day goes by without the dems lying and taking McCain out of context.

Posted by: Jeff | September 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

MoDus Operandi ,

There's a man from Chicago running......fair and election aren't words that go together.

Posted by: Daly legacy | September 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't know how many houses he owns, or how many cars he owns. This is indicative of the extremely wealthy who see no real value or significance in these things. They assume that it is normal to live like they do, and so the struggles of life for the average American are also lost on them. McCain is out of touch at a time when being in touch was never so critical to solutions that will mean anything to the average America. The other 98% of us.

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | September 21, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

This is what journalism has come to? How sad.

Posted by: Juan | September 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Pity that the old leadership of the unions have to resort to misleading facts when the truth would serve them well.

So we are counting houses and cars now? Pity you did not start this with the Kennedys.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | September 21, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain is going to lose... I don't care if he has 100 houses and 100 cars... he's going to lose.

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I truly hope it is a fair election, but I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: MoDus Operandi | September 21, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Obama claims to just own one vehicle sums up the phoniness of Obama and the gullability of the Democrats. I'm suuuuuuure he just owns one vehicle, and what do you know its an 08 hybrid, just in time for the campaign.

Posted by: charles130 | September 21, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Really Stupid article. As if there aren't other things to write about.

I don't care if the McCains own 100 cars and houses. He is going to be the next President.

BTW - you need to check into Obama's past a bit more. He shed some dirt before running...

Posted by: Ginny

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Nah, it's not a stupid article, but you're stupid if you think after all the lies he keeps telling that he'll be voted in. Americans are tired of having a president that won't level with them, and for all his "straight talk," boasts, it turned out to be nothing more than an empty campaign slogan.

Posted by: aBigSAM | September 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Personally I don't care how many houses or cars John or Cindy McCain own. If I could afford that many, maybe I would have them, too. I can't imagine why, but maybe I would.

But doesn't it say something about McCain that he has not yet learned every word he utters will be scrutinized? That's not unfair. That's just politics. Do those of you running to McCain's defense make a habit of lying? Is that why you can't see the problem here? Just tell the truth, for heaven's sake. That way, you don't have to keep up with the lies you've told. Any politician should know that. Any person over the age of six should know that, for that matter.

It's morality, get it? I would think conservative Christian Republicans would have no idea wrapping their minds around that concept.

As we say here in Georgia, "sweep around your own front door first......"

Posted by: sweetwtrbay | September 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The argument against Obama is that he is an inexperienced and untested liar, cheat and thief.

The argument for McCain is that he is a prolific liar, treacherous cheat, and a master among thieves.

I'll take the new guy.

Posted by: seems to me | September 21, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"Now, Sen. John McCain has to explain his fleet of 13 cars."
.... is this writer stupid or what? ... why is this even a news story? .. what difference does it make how many cars he has? ... being poor does not make someone a better candidate ... only a poor one!!

Posted by: Francisco Cardenas

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By itself no difference, but since he lied about "always buying American cars" to Detroit voters, it makes a lot of difference. It also undercuts his argument for calling Obama an "elitist."

Posted by: aBigSAM | September 21, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Naaah, Not Captain America. I couldn't be. The American Maverick himself, with all those foreign cars wow. I guess American made isn't good enough for the Maverick. Eventhough this really is a non story to some degree but again, it shows how dishonest McCain has always been and what deceptions and lies he will tell to get elected. And please, stop calling Obama an Elitist. The last I checked he only has one home and maybe two vehicles at best. That's not Elitist that is America.

Posted by: 2PACOLYPSE NOW | September 21, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Really Stupid article. As if there aren't other things to write about.

I don't care if the McCains own 100 cars and houses. He is going to be the next President.

BTW - you need to check into Obama's past a bit more. He shed some dirt before running...

Posted by: Ginny | September 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Now, Sen. John McCain has to explain his fleet of 13 cars."
.... is this writer stupid or what? ... why is this even a news story? .. what difference does it make how many cars he has? ... being poor does not make someone a better candidate ... only a poor one!!

Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | September 21, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain has a car with the license plate "Ms. Bud". Wonder if she knows that means different things to different people.

Posted by: newageblues | September 21, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, why are no major media following up? The Author of the book turned into the movie "Killing Fields", a Pulitizer winning journalist, Sydney Schanberg, documents hundreds of known POWs left behind in 'Nam, and McCain's complicity. With source doc.s too
I never understood before reading this - I figured the U.S. had made an honest effort to get all our people out, maybe had accidentally missed some..... if you read this, it's clear the U.S. left hundreds of men to rot in hellish conditions without following up to try and save them after it was clear they were still alive there.
The POW cover up is a bi-partisan total criminal disgrace (John Kerry, take a bow too, though many of the worst perps here are Republicans like Nixon, Bush the First, Reagan, Cheney.... it's a long list.)
McCain is implicated up to his neck however.
Article and source doc.s at http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1

Posted by: Scott | September 21, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I will take the intellectual elitist over the material elitist any day of the week! At least the intellectual elitist is equipped to solve the problems facing Amercia!!!! McCain has proved this past week that he is completely devoid of any genuine ability to solve the problems facing America.

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 21, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Wealth does not mean elitism.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2008 5:24 PM

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So the guy who works himself up from poverty to modest wealth is an elitist, and the guy who came from a well-off family and married into fabulous wealth is not an elitist.

Should I expect conservatives to make sense?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

A better way to put that is that you don't have to be wealthy to be an elitist, but it is one of the ways to be one.

If you want to say Obama is an intellectual elitist, then I guess McCain is one based on wealth and social status.

"e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources."

"Wealth does not mean elitism.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2008 5:24 PM "

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Wealth does equal elitism when you've been a very wealthy politican for 26 years and you still find it very easy to go to Washington and be "divorced" from the struggles that the average American has to face every day. Thank you, John McCain, for forgetting about the little people!

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

your posting standards are to be an obama supporter

Posted by: doubtful | September 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, if McCain has seven houses and each house has a two-car garage, he needs at least 14 cars to fill them.

He just another ordinary guy like the rest of us trying to solve life's problems.

Posted by: maggots | September 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

this is a stupid comment. I suppose the next story is going to be about the toilet paper he uses. and about how great obama is because he still uses an out-house

Posted by: doubtful | September 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Thirteen cards, seven houses? Is it any wonder McCain was still saying, as late as this past Monday, that the economy was fundamentally sound? Just what American needs, another out of touch guy in the White House. Haven't the last 8 years taught us anything? McCain+Palin = Bush + Cheney

Posted by: laSerenissima | September 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Wealth does not mean elitism.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain is lucky he's white. If he were an old black politician like Ron Dellums back in the day or John Conyers people would be like: why should this guy be President? What has he ever done other than get shot down? He's dumb. Or crazy. Who else would marry into an organized crime family, as a 40 yr old, and then have the chutzpah to use that corrupt fortune and network to launch a political career.

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 21, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin have told so many lies it just comes so natural to them. Do we need four more years of lies or have we had enough with the Bush administration. They both give Pit Bull with fleas a bad name.

Posted by: rachel | September 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

13 cars and 7 houses ! In America anyone can aspire to wealth, that is, anyone who marrries a rich wife like McCain did.
Don't have to share it with anyone either.
Not her sister even, nobody.
No wonder he doesn't want to raise taxes on the rich.
That would mean the rich would have to pay too much to bail out their interests in the stock market.
Thats what the poor and soon to be poor middle class are for.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Not all Hondas are made in America. It is true that Honda does have an auto plant in Marysville, Ohio. The Honda Accord 10th Anniversary Edition I purchased was made in Marysville, Ohio. Do you know what my father -- lifelong Republican; HUGE McCain fan; never purchased a foreign-made car -- told me? I still had bought a foreign car!!!!!!

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 21, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Who cares which of the cars are actually registered to John McCain or Cindy McCain? The fact is that the McCains own foreign cars. If John McCain actually wanted to be honest about this he would have said, "I only buy American, but my wife buys both American and foreign cars." But, of course, John McCain can't say that ... especially when he's speaking in "auto" country ... because he knows that he will get hammered on the issue. So what does Mr. Integrity do instead? He LIES!!!!!!

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Do we all realize that the Honda IS an American made car?

Posted by: UHH | September 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama owns ONE house and ONE car (vs. FcCain's 7 houses and 13 cars), and HE is the elitist??? GIVE ME A BREAK!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The WaPo's desperate attempt to support BHO at any cost to their credibility continues, this time with hack Michael Shear failing to make clear that McCain's claim to buy American doesn't necessarily extend to his wife exclusively buying American. Why not just turn this blog over to the BHO campaign and save on Shear's salary?

Here are some other recent examples of the WaPo pitching in to help the BHO campaign:

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/008013.html
http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007986.html
http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007978.html

You simply *cannot* trust what the Washington Post tells you.

Posted by: 24AheadDotCom | September 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I used to feel sorry for John McCain back in 2000 when he got treated like dirt by his fellow Republicans. But now McCain is starting to look more and more like one of the sleaziest politicians out there. The level of posturing, excuse-making and lying that McCain is willing to stoop just to try to gain some political points is pathetic. Of course, this story does explain why McCain would actually think that our economy is "fundamentally strong." When a person is so rich that they don't know how many houses they own and they have more than a dozen cars at their disposal, of course the economy seems "fundamentally strong"!!!!!

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm a bit dissapointed with the post. These "news" items is just partisan nonesense

Posted by: Matt | September 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain is going to lose... I don't care if he has 100 houses and 100 cars... he's going to lose.

Posted by: kkrimmer | September 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I think she said you could see Alaska from some places in Alaska but they are uninhabited.
The current issue of The NewYorker has a real interview and it is so similar to this one. Truth is stranger than fiction.

Posted by: Ann Bier | September 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Info:

Good post. You notice how Gov. Palin gets asked questions that NO male VP candidate has ever been asked?

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The Palin's are not hurting for vehicles either...

Sarah Palin Sarah Palin 1987 Ford F350
Jeanette Bock Sarah Palin 2003 Honda Odyssey
Todd Palin 1987 Misc. AKZ0823MF202
Natalie Sforza Sarah Palin 1977 Ford F250
Sarah Palin 1976 Ford F250
Sarah Palin 1975 Ford F250
Todd Palin 1994 Misc.
Sarah Palin 1992 Ford F250
Sarah Palin 1995 Ford F150
Todd Palin 1996 Ford F350
N/A Todd Palin 1994 POLA
N/A Todd Palin 1995 POLA
N/A Todd Palin 2005 Arctco ATV
N/A Todd Palin 2005 Arctco ATV
N/A Todd Palin 2006 Arctco ATV
N/A Todd Palin 2000 Arctco ATV
N/A Todd Palin 2001 Arctco ATV
N/A Todd Palin 2002 Arctco ATV
N/A Todd Palin 2002 Arctco ATV
N/A Todd Palin 2002 Arctco ATV
N/A Todd Palin 2003 Arctco ATV
N/A Todd Palin 2003 Arctco ATV
Todd Palin Todd Palin 1998 H&S Trailer
Bridgette Powlas Sarah Palin 2004 Toyota Sequoia
N/A Todd Palin 1999 Arca
Sarah Palin Vince Plasse 1969 Lincoln Mark III

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

LTC:

What part of McCain only "owns" one car himself do you not understand?

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Petty commentary!

Posted by: ziggy1 | September 21, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

There's a bit of sexism regarding these attacks on McCain's houses, cars, and wealth.

McCain's not rich. His wife is. He had to sign a prenup before their marriage. They file separate returns, and he has no access to her wealth.

Only because of latent preconceptions of the role of a man in marriage do we judge McCain as rich.

Posted by: info | September 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

JR:

We'll have to agree to disagree then, because I think that Gov. Palin is MORE qualified to be President than Sen. Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

This article proves McCain is less than honest..and will say any dam..thing to make it to the WhiteHouse.

Seven houses and thirteen cars..pretty nice!

Posted by: LTC US Army | September 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama lives in a neighborhood here in Chicago that YOU and I and MOST OF YOUR READERS will NEVER EVER be able to afford.

Or is this election of "McCain the fat cat and Palin the prole" versus two dudes who were in the pockets of a) Fannie Mae and b) the credit card industry?

It is questionable whether this type of reporting advances the state of democracy in our nation. Having been inside the offices of the Post, I know they have the brainpower to give you something real to report on.

Farouze v. Biden, anyone? (New York Supreme Court, CCOP database)

Posted by: ChicagoUnchanged | September 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-meets-with-afghani.html

Saturday, September 20, 2008
Sarah Palin Meets with Afghan President Karzai (Transcript)

"Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin will meet next week with Afghan President Hamid Karzai in New York, on the sidelines of the opening of the U.N. General Assembly, according to Afghan officials in Washington."--Washington Post

TRANSCRIPT:

Palin: Oh, Mr. President, it is such a pleasure to meet you, you're the first head of state that I have had the opportunity to meet--which is more than many Vice Presidents--and I'm so glad that my first one is an Afghani.

You know, in Trig's class there was a little Afghani? He was the child of one of the oil executives, and he was so cute, with his little turban runnin' around, everyone just loved him, and felt for him...

Karzai: Yes.

Palin: And everyone knew that we just had to defend him and keep him free and that's why I think that with a Palin/McCain...

Palin Aide: (looking up from clipboard) McCain/Palin.

Palin: ...McCain/Palin ticket, we can make sure of that, if we have to attack Russia, even, I mean, to keep people free at home, just like we want to keep our people free. We have so much in common! I know you have the problem with the poppies, and I understand because we have the same problem with the crystal meth in Wasilla? And I said "Look, we've got to shake this up!" and then that's exactly what I said: 'Look, let's just see what we have in common with these guys!" And that's just what you could do with the Taliban, Mr. Karzai. They've already so moral, and they want people to live by the straight and narrow, and they've got the newspapers sayin' and the schools doin' lots of the right things. They just need to get some of the right ideas, and pray to the right Lord. And, if they don't understand, we still have the weapons left over from Iraq, and then we can't blink, we can't blink, can we, Mr. Karzai?

Karzai: (Looks at Palin silently without moving his head. Pauses.). Blink?

Palin: Right. The thing is, we just have to hit the ground runnin', Mr. Karzai. That's what I do. A few weeks ago I didn't even know what a Vice President does! That's why I put a clock on my wall--do you have the same clocks as we do in Afghanistan? With the twelve numbers? (points in air to numbers on air clock)--Anyway, I said "I'm gonna measure just how much time I have left here" and that's what you could do, I think, with the war, Mr. Karzai, is to put up a clock so you know just how much time you have left until you finish it. I tell you, Mr. Karzai, it's such a motivating influence on my staff, the good ones, anyway, they know what they're supposed to finish and when, they hear me sayin' "Look at the clock, people, look at the clock, and know what you have left to finish..."

Karzai: Yes.

Palin: And so I said to my husband, Todd--I call him the "First Dude"--Do you have that word 'Dude' there in Afghanistan?--maybe it's like "Khan" or "Emir" or somethin'?--I said to him, 'Todd, we have to take a look at what's happenin' in Afghanistan--before McCain called or any other thing happened--' cause I saw that Russia was right across from us and then right next to that you have all the Stans (counts cross fingers) Kyrgyzstan, oh, what's the others?--well, you are aware of them, of course, Mr. Karzai (laughs)...

Karzai: (Nods)

Palin: And if we don't let other people know of what I'm aware of, then the world won't change, Mr. Karzai. I know we have the same goals even if we don't have the same God yet...(aide touches Palin on shoulder, whispers). 'Even', not 'yet', I meant 'same God even', Mr. Karzai. And my point is, we can't let others stop our choice, which is freedom for those who deserve it, and that's why I know a Palin/McCain...

Palin Aide: (reaching over to touch shoulder)

Palin: Stop! (brushing aide's hand off)...McCain/Palin ticket will do just what you want, Mr. Karzai...

Second Palin Aide Approaches: It's time for your next appointment, Gov. Palin.

Palin: It was so good meeting you, President Karzai, and all of your other people, it was so good meeting you too! Shalom! (waves, exits)

Karzai: (to his aide, in Pashto): She makes the last one look like the Grand Mufti.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-meets-with-afghani.html


Posted by: Susan D'Addario | September 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"How many Vice Presidents (or Presidents, for that matter) had passports before they took office?"
JakeD

I think that kind of data would be hard to find out, but I would go on to say that I want my President and VP (especially in McCain's example) to posses a world view, to have some kind of national, or international experience.

Sarah Palin has spent nearly her entire life in Wasilla, she is a small-town girl made good with a very limited scope in life's experiences.

Sorry JakeD but she is just not qualified and it is painfully obvious.

Posted by: JR | September 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"including three electric bubble-shaped cars, called GEM's that the magazine says are popular in retirement communities."

Oh boy, I'm imagining one of those infomercials on TV and he fits right in.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

ES:

How many Vice Presidents (or Presidents, for that matter) had passports before they took office? Are you, or Hagel, saying that McCain is not experienced as well? Are you aware of prominent Democrats endorsing him?

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

What, only ONE American car?

He should go commit Hari-Kari right now.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 21, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

So, once again, McCain tells the truth -- he only owns one American car -- yet, the DNC/WaPo tries to make that into something else.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Here is GOP senator and Vietnam Vet Chuck Hagel on Sarah Palin:

Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska is the nation’s most prominent Republican officeholder to publicly question whether Sarah Palin has the experience to serve as president.

“She doesn’t have any foreign policy credentials,” Hagel said Wednesday in an interview. “You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don’t know what you can say. You can’t say anything.”

Palin was elected governor of Alaska in 2006 and before that was the mayor of a small town.

Democrats have raised questions about Palin since Sen. John McCain picked her as his vice presidential running mate. Most national Republican officeholders have rallied to Palin’s candidacy.

Palin has cited the proximity of Alaska to Russia as evidence of her international experience.

Hagel scoffed at that notion.

“I think they ought to be just honest about it and stop the nonsense about, ‘I look out my window and I see Russia and so therefore I know something about Russia,’” he said. “That kind of thing is insulting to the American people.”

John McCain is not fit to be president.

http://nahnopenotquite.com/2008/09/18/hagelian-didactics/

Posted by: ES | September 21, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

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