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Biden: 'Whatever Happened' to McCain's Principles?

By Jonathan Weisman
Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph R. Biden today will unleash the Democratic ticket's stiffest blast yet on John McCain, saying his old friend has transformed himself into an opportunistic and vicious right-wing politician in a mindless pursuit of the White House.

In excerpts of a planned speech in St. Clair Shores, Mich., the running mate of Democratic nominee Barack Obama will make good on his promise to be the ticket's attack dog, using his long history with McCain against the senator from Arizona.

"When Senator McCain was subjected to unconscionable, scurrilous attacks in his 2000 campaign, I called him on the phone to ask what I could do," Biden, a longtime senator from Delaware, will recall, according to the excerpts.

"And now, some of the very same people and the tactics he once deplored his campaign now employs.

"The same campaign that once called for a town hall a week is now launching a low blow a day."

The speech continues: "The campaign a person runs says everything about the way they'll govern. John McCain has decided to bet the house on the politics perfected by Karl Rove.... Those tactics may be good at squeaking by in an election but they are bad if you want to lead one nation, indivisible."

But the speech is not all attack, and it appears somewhat contradictory. Biden extols McCain's long-ago military service, before dismissing its relevance to the office he seeks.

"America needs more than a great solider," he says. "America needs a wise leader."

On the one hand, Biden laments the loss of what he once saw as a principled politician, asking: "Whatever happened to the guy, who once denounced tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans in a time of war, as 'immoral'?"

On the other, he portrays McCain as a clone of George W. Bush, not just now but throughout his political career.

"Take a hard look at the positions John has taken for the past 26 years, on the economy, on health care, on foreign policy ... and you'll see why I say that John McCain is just four more years of George Bush," the speech says. "On the issues that you talk about around the kitchen table, Mary's tuition, the cost of the MRI, heating the home this winter -- John McCain is profoundly out of touch."

"We've seen this movie before, folks. But as everyone knows, the sequel is always worse than the original," Biden will say.

In a memo to supporters last week, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe promised to use Biden in a more visible way as the campaign pushes back on months of fierce Republican attacks. Obama and Biden were scheduled to appear together Saturday in Manchester, NH, but in deference to Hurricane Ike the appearance was scaled back to a solo Obama event.

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Re:"NUCLEAR DISASTER - "DEBATE ON THE POSSIBILTY OF "NUCLEAR DISASTER" IF MACAIN IS PRESIDENT

ATTENTION: WASHINGTON POST

DEAR EDITOR AT THE WASHINGTON POST: I would be delighted to see an article written on this subject:

PLEASE COULD YOU PLEASE PUT TOGETHER AN ARTICLE ON THE POSSIBILITY OF "NUCLEAR DISASTER" IF McCAIN IS PRESIDENT VERSUS THE DIPLOMACY OF OBAMA FOR WORLD PEACE AND SECURITY, ESPECIALLY THE FINANCIAL STABILITY OF THE U.S. AND THE WORLD IF THE WAR CONTINUES FOR THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS, WHICH McCAIN WILL INDEED CONTINUE WITH IF ELECTED AS PRESIDENT. (MCCAIN IS A SERIOUS THREAT TO WORLD PEACE AND THE POTENTIAL OF "NUCLEAR DISASTER", YOU CAN SEE THIS BY SIMPLY PROJECTING AHEAD WITH MCCAIN'S LIES, HIS OBVIOUS DECEIT AND HIS PHILOSOPHY OF WAR MONGERING.

The idea is to question John McCain regarding his lies and deceit and the possibility of "NUCLEAR DISASTER" based upon lies and deceit IF "JOHN McCAIN" is in office, THE QUESTION IS: will he bring the world to the brink of disaster if he continues the war and will he will inflame world peace with his attitude and inability the to think logically because of his AGE, (HIS MENTAL STABILITY) and in a manner that is diplomatically required as a President????. His age and mental stability is a definite reason for him NOT TO BE IN OFFICE, THIS IS A DANGEROUS MAN TO HAVE AS PRESIDENT.

McCain and Palin are running a deceitful campaign and I think John McCain will be a bad fit for the office of President, the country and the world at large in terms of international safety, the Presidential task is totally beyond his means to maintain stability in the world, my feeling is that if McCain can lie most of the time just to get into the WHITE HOUSE then he will indeed lie to the public about maintaining the war and hence the possibility of Nuclear disaster and total financial ruin of the country. The question again is: "When do we know that McCain and Palin are telling the truth about continuing a war and McCain's ability to be diplomatic in dealing with our adversaries."

I believe McCain is an unstable individual and is at his age mentally challenged, as he ages I believe he will bring us to a "Nuclear Disaster" if he takes office and will create further financial chaos and unrest in the world and in the United States and as well with his neighbours regarding free trade.

I am a Canadian and I do business in the the U.S. and Canadians want to continue to do business there, but cannot if the economy is ruined even further by McCain. I really need you Clark and to write an article that encourages BARACK OBAMA to take on McCain on this subject because it is obvious the McCAIN will be a serious threat to world peace and the possibility of Nuclear disaster if elected President. Please respond to me, I have serious concerns about the direction McCAIN will take this world, it will be eminent disaster with McCAIN as President. Kind regards,James in Ottawa, Canada

Posted by: James | September 17, 2008 6:07 PM

Re:"NUCLEAR DISASTER - "DEBATE ON THE POSSIBILTY OF "NUCLEAR DISASTER" IF MACAIN IS PRESIDENT

ATTENTION: WASHINGTON POST

DEAR EDITOR AT THE WASHINGTON POST: I would be delighted to see an article written on this subject:

PLEASE COULD YOU PLEASE PUT TOGETHER AN ARTICLE ON THE POSSIBILITY OF "NUCLEAR DISASTER" IF McCAIN IS PRESIDENT VERSUS THE DIPLOMACY OF OBAMA FOR WORLD PEACE AND SECURITY, ESPECIALLY THE FINANCIAL STABILITY OF THE U.S. AND THE WORLD IF THE WAR CONTINUES FOR THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS, WHICH McCAIN WILL INDEED CONTINUE WITH IF ELECTED AS PRESIDENT. (MCCAIN IS A SERIOUS THREAT TO WORLD PEACE AND THE POTENTIAL OF "NUCLEAR DISASTER", YOU CAN SEE THIS BY SIMPLY PROJECTING AHEAD WITH MCCAIN'S LIES, HIS OBVIOUS DECEIT AND HIS PHILOSOPHY OF WAR MONGERING.

The idea is to question John McCain regarding his lies and deceit and the possibility of "NUCLEAR DISASTER" based upon lies and deceit IF "JOHN McCAIN" is in office, THE QUESTION IS: will he bring the world to the brink of disaster if he continues the war and will he will inflame world peace with his attitude and inability the to think logically because of his AGE, (HIS MENTAL STABILITY) and in a manner that is diplomatically required as a President????. His age and mental stability is a definite reason for him NOT TO BE IN OFFICE, THIS IS A DANGEROUS MAN TO HAVE AS PRESIDENT.

McCain and Palin are running a deceitful campaign and I think John McCain will be a bad fit for the office of President, the country and the world at large in terms of international safety, the Presidential task is totally beyond his means to maintain stability in the world, my feeling is that if McCain can lie most of the time just to get into the WHITE HOUSE then he will indeed lie to the public about maintaining the war and hence the possibility of Nuclear disaster and total financial ruin of the country. The question again is: "When do we know that McCain and Palin are telling the truth about continuing a war and McCain's ability to be diplomatic in dealing with our adversaries."

I believe McCain is an unstable individual and is at his age mentally challenged, as he ages I believe he will bring us to a "Nuclear Disaster" if he takes office and will create further financial chaos and unrest in the world and in the United States and as well with his neighbours regarding free trade.

I am a Canadian and I do business in the the U.S. and Canadians want to continue to do business there, but cannot if the economy is ruined even further by McCain. I really need you Clark and to write an article that encourages BARACK OBAMA to take on McCain on this subject because it is obvious the McCAIN will be a serious threat to world peace and the possibility of Nuclear disaster if elected President. Please respond to me, I have serious concerns about the direction McCAIN will take this world, it will be eminent disaster with McCAIN as President. Kind regards,James in Ottawa, Canada

Posted by: James | September 17, 2008 6:07 PM

Re:"NUCLEAR DISASTER - "DEBATE ON THE POSSIBILTY OF "NUCLEAR DISASTER" IF MACAIN IS PRESIDENT

ATTENTION: WASHINGTON POST

DEAR EDITOR AT THE WASHINGTON POST: I would be delighted to see an article written on this subject:

PLEASE COULD YOU PLEASE PUT TOGETHER AN ARTICLE ON THE POSSIBILITY OF "NUCLEAR DISASTER" IF McCAIN IS PRESIDENT VERSUS THE DIPLOMACY OF OBAMA FOR WORLD PEACE AND SECURITY, ESPECIALLY THE FINANCIAL STABILITY OF THE U.S. AND THE WORLD IF THE WAR CONTINUES FOR THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS, WHICH McCAIN WILL INDEED CONTINUE WITH IF ELECTED AS PRESIDENT. (MCCAIN IS A SERIOUS THREAT TO WORLD PEACE AND THE POTENTIAL OF "NUCLEAR DISASTER", YOU CAN SEE THIS BY SIMPLY PROJECTING AHEAD WITH MCCAIN'S LIES, HIS OBVIOUS DECEIT AND HIS PHILOSOPHY OF WAR MONGERING.

The idea is to question John McCain regarding his lies and deceit and the possibility of "NUCLEAR DISASTER" based upon lies and deceit IF "JOHN McCAIN" is in office, THE QUESTION IS: will he bring the world to the brink of disaster if he continues the war and will he will inflame world peace with his attitude and inability the to think logically because of his AGE, (HIS MENTAL STABILITY) and in a manner that is diplomatically required as a President????. His age and mental stability is a definite reason for him NOT TO BE IN OFFICE, THIS IS A DANGEROUS MAN TO HAVE AS PRESIDENT.

McCain and Palin are running a deceitful campaign and I think John McCain will be a bad fit for the office of President, the country and the world at large in terms of international safety, the Presidential task is totally beyond his means to maintain stability in the world, my feeling is that if McCain can lie most of the time just to get into the WHITE HOUSE then he will indeed lie to the public about maintaining the war and hence the possibility of Nuclear disaster and total financial ruin of the country. The question again is: "When do we know that McCain and Palin are telling the truth about continuing a war and McCain's ability to be diplomatic in dealing with our adversaries."

I believe McCain is an unstable individual and is at his age mentally challenged, as he ages I believe he will bring us to a "Nuclear Disaster" if he takes office and will create further financial chaos and unrest in the world and in the United States and as well with his neighbours regarding free trade.

I am a Canadian and I do business in the the U.S. and Canadians want to continue to do business there, but cannot if the economy is ruined even further by McCain. I really need you Clark and to write an article that encourages BARACK OBAMA to take on McCain on this subject because it is obvious the McCAIN will be a serious threat to world peace and the possibility of Nuclear disaster if elected President. Please respond to me, I have serious concerns about the direction McCAIN will take this world, it will be eminent disaster with McCAIN as President. Kind regards,James in Ottawa, Canada

Posted by: James | September 17, 2008 6:07 PM

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're
'exotic, different.'

Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American
story.
If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well
grounded.

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become
the first black President
of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that
registers 150,000 new
voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend
8 years as a State
Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become
chairman of the state
Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in
the United States
Senate representing a state of 13 million people while
sponsoring 131 bills and serving
on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and
Veteran's Affairs committees,
you don't have any real leadership experience.

If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the
city council and 6 years as the
mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the
governor of a state with
only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the
country's second highest
ranking executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while
raising 2 beautiful
daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real
Christian.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left
your disfigured wife and
married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education,
including the proper use of birth
control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only,
with no other option in sex
education in your state's school system while your unwed teen
daughter ends up pregnant
, you're very responsible.

If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position
in a prestigious law firm
to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then
gave that up to raise a
family, your family's values don't represent America's.

If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one
DWI conviction and no
college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and
once was a member of a
group that advocated the secession of Alaska
from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now

Posted by: Confused | September 16, 2008 4:54 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm

Why is McCain giving such a WHOPPING tax cut to the wealthy and almost nothing to the people doing the work? Why is he lying about it? Why do so many people still believe him?

Posted by: underdog | September 16, 2008 11:42 AM

This is a campaign. Both sides throw mud. Pull your thumb out of your mouth. Is it possible the post doesn't ask Obama/Biden the same ? because they have none.

Posted by: Truth | September 16, 2008 9:00 AM

Read blogs and over and over again what do you see, from Obama supporters, why he's the better candidate and the weakness from a policy perspective or the weakness in what McCain or Palin has said or their low blows. What do you see from the vast majority of the McCain supporters, pure vitriol. The right quotes John 3:18 and believes that they are special and can say or do anything no matter how dishonest. They sure don't care about this country anymore.

Posted by: John | September 15, 2008 11:18 PM

"Whatever happened to the guy, who once denounced tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans in a time of war, as 'immoral'?" And I would say to Jonathan Weisman, the author of this quasi diatribe, what happened to the unbiased journalist who objectively reported a story, even if it was inimical to his personal biases. My answer would be that they both owed their souls to the company store, in this case, the industrial/military complex. There was nothing contradictory about Biden noting how McCain's positions varied according to his objectives.

Posted by: outrider | September 15, 2008 9:02 PM

I am so disappointed with the way the US Elections has come this far... lies being peddled just so a party can continue to pull a wool over the eyes of the Americans.
Please wake up!It's about time you look beyond the color of the skin!The issue in this electrions is: Should Americans subscribe to a government ran like hell by the white Republicans or a government ran like heaven by a black and white Democrats?

Posted by: spad | September 15, 2008 8:33 PM

I am so disappointed with the way the US Elections has come this far... lies being peddled just so a party can continue to pull a wool over the eyes of the Americans.
Please wake up!It's about time you look beyond the color of the skin!The issue in this electrions is: Should Americans subscribe to a government ran like hell by the white Republicans or a government ran like heaven by a black and white Democrats?

Posted by: spad | September 15, 2008 8:33 PM

I am so disappointed with the way the US Elections has come this far... lies being peddled just so a party can continue to pull a wool over the eyes of the Americans.
Please wake up!It's about time you look beyond the color of the skin!The issue in this electrions is: Should Americans subscribe to a government ran like hell by the white Republicans or a government ran like heaven by a black and white Democrats?

Posted by: spad | September 15, 2008 8:33 PM

Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:49 PM

HemiHead | September 15, 2008 3:02 PM

thanks I will go look at the link

This election season has been very educational for me
I know how to find the Illinois legislative web site and look up bills
The USGOV has one as well which lists what all of our legislators are doing and have done. We can see for ourselves. We can see which states are really working on green energy and which are not.

We/us the world have the particle accelerator in Switzerland and quantum physics makes more sense then the finances of the US.


Posted by: grandma | September 15, 2008 7:19 PM

I will address several Issues;

1. Why is it that John McCain only speaks on the tip of Issues. Why won't he provide the voters with the details of his Plans and Policies. MAYBE BECAUSE HE HAS NONE.

2. If John McCain knows how to CURE or FIX all the Issues why hasn't he informed George W. Bush how to do it?

3. If John McCain knows how to Cure or FIX all the Issues, why doesn't he tell us how he will do it in detail?

4. If John McCain knows how to Capture Bin Laden why doesn't he tell the Joint Chiefs of Staff how to do it?

5. Why does John McCain have to lie so much? [I have counted 57 in this campaign] Why does he have to distort the truth so much? Maybe because he has nothing to run on.

6. During the time George W. Bush has been in office we have seen what a Liar and Distorter can do to this Country. Why would we want to Elect another Liar and Distorter as President.

7. Why would we Elect a 72 year old man in Poor Health as our President with a Vice President with a Vice President who is just one heart beat away from being President who is TOTALLY unqualified to be President?

8. When we speak of HONOR and PATRIOTISM why do we connect those attributes with john McCain who aided and abetted the Communists in Veit-Nam by making 32 Propaganda Video's for them?

9. Why would we elect John McCain as President when he knows nothing about Economics? When his chief Economic Advisor is the Man most Responsible for the Present Crisses in the Financial Markets. That advisor is a Lobbists for the Banking Industry and helped rewrite the Securities Exchange Rules and Regulations that have led to this currant Crisses.

10. Why would we elect john McCain President when he is nothing but a War-Monger? Not unless you are in the Manufacturing of War Equipment I quote; "Bomb-Bomb Iran."

Posted by: Ted-Zee-Man | September 15, 2008 5:40 PM

Monday, September 15, 2008


Did Obama Violate The Logan Act? [Jonah Goldberg]


Amir Taheri:

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
____

In 1975, Senators John Sparkman and George McGovern were accused of violating the Logan Act when they traveled to Cuba and met with officials there. In considering that case, the U.S. Department of State concluded:

The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba , was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country. Senator McGovern’s report of his discussions with Cuban officials states: "I made it clear that I had no authority to negotiate on behalf of the United States — that I had come to listen and learn...." (Cuban Realities: May 1975, 94th Cong., 1st Sess., August 1975).

OBAMA CAME TO NEGOTIATE A POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT DELAY IN THE WITHDRAWL OF OUR TROOPS- WAS HE AFRAID THE "100 YEARS WAR" CLAIM WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE JOKE IT ALWAYS WAS?

WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

WELL AT LEAST HE'LL HAVE ONE MORE THING IN COMMON WITH MCGOVERN AFTER NOVEMBER!

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 4:46 PM

To Respond to IconBlasters inept response "Nasher's slam on the Democratic Party for supporting slavery might have been right on the mark 100 or 150 years ago. Times have changed, Nasher. 2008 is not 1860, and George Bush's GOP is not Lincoln's Republican Party. George Bush's GOP is not even Reagan's Republican Party, anymore, though even in Reagan's day, the GOP had given up the mantle of leadership in civil rights"

Had you read my comment you would have noticed that I was responding to a comment "why would a black person vote Republican"

I pointed out that Martin Luther King was a Republican. The fighting for equality I spoke about was 1960s+ not 150 - 180 years ago. Get your history straight - it was the Republicans in the late 1900s that brought equality to American. (Maybe you are not familiar with MLK or his struggle for equal rights). Bill Clinton was clearly a leader that embraced equality and Obamites, trashed the Clintons and branded them as racists in order to advance Obama's leadership chances.

George Bush is an idiot, no arguement there, but McCain is not George Bush nor does the Republican Party belong to George Bush (any more than the Democratic part belong to the Clintons.)

cCain 2008
Hillary 2012

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:42 PM

His misinterpretation of a speech given at her church started a liberal media smear-fest. The actual words spoken by Governor Palin are as follows:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Palin is clearly praying that we're doing the right thing in Iraq but Palin’s response was not good enough for Gibson and continued pressing her reference to God seemingly emulating Detective Robert Goren (Vincent D'Onofrio) of Law and Order Criminal Intent with side winding head movements and convulsive body movements

********************************

Anybody that says our soldiers are on a task from God has serious problems. We already know that Iraq had nothing to do with 9.11 Or WMD's. So what did God make a mistake. How the hell do we know what Gods plan is. This guy can try to defend her all he wants but it's not gonna work. You can't send our country to war because you think it's Gods plan.

Posted by: Hemi | September 15, 2008 3:34 PM

"if you tax the oil companies,
where do you think they will
make up the money?"
Simonsays
----
So are you saying that Sarah Palin is responsible for the high cost of gasoline?

Because she tripled taxes on oil companies as governor of Alaska.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 3:19 PM

Does this help grandma?

He cites all his sources.

"Differences in business taxes

* Obama- Payroll taxes for employees making over $250k would increase as employers would have to pay Social Security taxes (1)
* Obama- No tax increases for small businesses earning less than $250k (1)
* Obama- Tax credit for employers who provide health care(1)
* Obama- “The vast majority of small businesses would face lower taxes under the Obama plan than under the McCain plan.” (2)
* McCain- Would lower corporate taxes to 25% from 35% (7)"
http://forums.mercurynews.com/topic/facts-about-obama-and-mccain-tax-plans

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:49 PM

**************************

Isn't there some kind program for small businesses. I forgot what he said, but I think it helps when ya make over 250k to.

Posted by: HemiHead | September 15, 2008 3:02 PM

Please read article titled: Be Careful What You Say While Campaigning…. God May Be Watching located at http://www.cliffyworld.com/blogs

Posted by: cliffyworld | September 15, 2008 3:01 PM

Does this help grandma?

He cites all his sources.

"Differences in business taxes

* Obama- Payroll taxes for employees making over $250k would increase as employers would have to pay Social Security taxes (1)
* Obama- No tax increases for small businesses earning less than $250k (1)
* Obama- Tax credit for employers who provide health care(1)
* Obama- “The vast majority of small businesses would face lower taxes under the Obama plan than under the McCain plan.” (2)
* McCain- Would lower corporate taxes to 25% from 35% (7)"
http://forums.mercurynews.com/topic/facts-about-obama-and-mccain-tax-plans

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:49 PM

Social Security Is Funding Tax Cuts for the Rich, Book Charges
American workers are currently paying more than they need to in Social Security taxes in order to finance tax cuts for the super rich. This is among the revelations in a new book on the tax system by a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter for the New York Times.

In the book, Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich -- and Cheat Everybody Else, author David Cay Johnston warns that the drain on Social Security caused by the tax cuts for the rich could have serious consequences for retiring Baby Boomers.

Johnston explains that in 1983, Congress began asking American workers to pay 50 percent more into Social Security than the system would pay out in benefits. The explicit promise, says Johnston, was that the funds would be used to pay off the federal debt so that the government would have the borrowing capacity to pay Social Security benefits to the Baby Boomers when they began retiring. Instead, Johnston says, the surplus money has been spent on tax cuts mainly benefiting the richest one percent of the population.

"We have financed these tax cuts in good part by using the Social Security surplus," Johnston told National Public Radio host Terry Gross. "If you make about $90,000 or less, you will pay 50 percent more than needed into the Social Security system, and that money will go to finance tax cuts for the super rich."

"But you cannot go on forever spending money you don’t have without serious consequences," warned Johnston, "and those consequences are likely to come due about the time the Boomers start retiring. When that happens, the Boomers may discover that there is not enough money to pay [for their] Social Security."

To listen to Terry Gross's interview with Johnston on her show, Fresh Air, click here.

To learn more about Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich -- and Cheat Everybody Else, click here.


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Posted by: HemiHead | September 15, 2008 2:44 PM

Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes
Palin lives by the maxim that all politics is local, not to mention personal. So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency. Ms. Havemeister was one of at least five schoolmates Ms. Palin hired, often at salaries far exceeding their private sector wages. This is corruption on a small scale but once this bible-thumping hypocrite is placed in the office of vice president it will be corruption on a grand scale.

Posted by: HemiHead | September 15, 2008 2:34 PM

I've read other sites as well, my understanding is Obama will do more for people making less then $600,000. even more for those making less then $250.000, while McCain's will do less for people already struggling and more for corporations not actually employing US citizens.

It is or it isn't about money?

Small business has to pay more ? where does Obama say this? I did not find it.

Define small? Mom and Pop 1 or 2 employees?


Posted by: grandma | September 15, 2008 2:26 PM

its kinda sad

Posted by: boruch yona loriner | September 15, 2008 2:20 PM

Hemi I suspect it is much worse than that, at least 2-3 anonymi and at least one Anonymous,

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:20 PM

Am I correct when I say Anonymous and Ann-on-my-mouse are two different people.

Posted by: Hemi | September 15, 2008 2:16 PM

I agree completely hemihead, all us anons don't seem to have the same understanding, and some are giving me a bad name, lol.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:14 PM

When I read the tax plans from that link you posted, I didn't need to go any farther than this.

The two candidates’ plans would have sharply different distributional effects. Senator McCain’s tax cuts would primarily benefit those with very high incomes, almost all of whom would receive large tax cuts that would, on average, raise their after-tax incomes by more than twice the average for all households.

Posted by: HemiHead | September 15, 2008 2:03 PM

Hey usa3

The reason some people compare Obama to Jesus is because we actually know what Jesus taught.


Posted by: grandma | September 15, 2008 1:52 PM

A good comparison of the McCain and Obama tax plans.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411693_CandidateTaxPlans.pdf

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:39 PM

Better bring out someone stronger than Biden. The average of 11 polls today show McCain/Palin ahead by 2 points.

Posted by: annonymouse | September 15, 2008 1:34 PM

Y'know, I've noticed there are quite a few that claim the polls are only corrupt when Obama's numbers are falling. Hmmmmm. Suddenly, because Obama's no longer the darling of the media's eye and people gotten tired of the media and their obvious BIAS towards him, the whole thing is a conspiracy. Yeah...right.

What counts: Where do these candidate's stand on issues that matter, not poll numbers.

Personally, I've looked at both and McCain's plans seem to make more sense to me. If you encourage an enviroment in which businesses can grow, you increase jobs and by proxy the economy. Taxing the hell out of them or their owners as Obama would like to do only compounds the problem and only benefits Big Government who gets their pockets fattened, not the little people -duh.

____________________________

Your another one that hasn't got a clue. First, Those poll numbers are corrupt as hell. Just like I said before, every time McCain screws up, or something good happens to Obama, McCains poll numbers go up. I've called it 5 times I a row days before it happened. I called it when I heard Tina fey was doing Palin ON SNL. Sure enough, The New York Times gave him a bump. And if you think it's in our best interest to give tax breaks to companies to move overseas your out of you mind. We're paying them to fire us. And when you talk about big government getting their pockets fattened, you blew it. Do you see Bush's little government filling our pockets. Maybe you can ask the people that are living in their cars that question. Or maybe the guys that work at Merril Lynch and Lehman Bros. since they went bankrupt today. Little government means no one is minding the mint. While the top brass are using their golden parachutes when the manure hits the fan, the little guy is getting burnt. There's no such thing as big government. It's either honest or corrupt. McCain=Corrupt. And ya can take that to the bank. If ya can find one that's not BANKRUPT. DUH!

Posted by: HemiHead | September 15, 2008 1:32 PM

Biden, who is well known as the "blowhard" of the Senate is going on attack? Hilarious. Will his speeches be plagiarized as his college papers and his speeches in the presidential election were. Remember he had to leave the presidential race because of them. Rave on, Biden.

Posted by: annonymouse | September 15, 2008 1:23 PM

Hey, Ya wanna hear something funny. John McCain said we need REGULATION in our markets. I almost wet myself when I heard it. Somebody should top him off with a Dunce Cap and sit him in the corner.

Posted by: HemiHead | September 15, 2008 12:58 PM

Y'know, I've noticed there are quite a few that claim the polls are only corrupt when Obama's numbers are falling. Hmmmmm. Suddenly, because Obama's no longer the darling of the media's eye and people gotten tired of the media and their obvious BIAS towards him, the whole thing is a conspiracy. Yeah...right.

What counts: Where do these candidate's stand on issues that matter, not poll numbers.

Personally, I've looked at both and McCain's plans seem to make more sense to me. If you encourage an enviroment in which businesses can grow, you increase jobs and by proxy the economy. Taxing the hell out of them or their owners as Obama would like to do only compounds the problem and only benefits Big Government who gets their pockets fattened, not the little people -duh.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:55 PM

In recent weeks, John McCain and the Republican Party have blatantly and without any shame adopted the Democratic campaign theme of “change”. It should be evident to an objective observer that Bush 43 and now McCain and Pailin are mere puppets to the true Republican national party leaders who control their strings. Cheney is one of the few of that inner cabal that have been calling the shots since the Nixon administration. They are in fact a continuation of the Nixon and Ford presidencies with only a disruption during the Carter and Clinton years. Bush 41( Head of the RNC during Nixon, former head of the CIA,VP to Reagan, and president is probably the real leader of this political Cosa Nostra if not a equal partner of this power sharing musical chairs game. His right and left hands have been Dick Cheney(former Sec.of Defense of Bush 41, former White House Chief of staff for Ford) and the other is Donald Rumsfeld(former Sec. of Defense for Ford and Bush 43,former special envoy to the Middle East during Reagan). Another member of this group, more likely a captain if not a full blown boss himself is James Baker (former C.O.S of Reagan, former Under Sec. of Commerce for Ford, former C.O.S and Sec of State for Bush 41, former Sec. of Treasury for Reagan, former chief legal advisor to Bush 43). Another captain or free lance enforcer is Karl Rove a college drop out and campaign manager for both Bush 41 and 43, also for Phil Gram who is McCain’s economic advisor.
Lets look at McCain’s staff of change.
On July 2, 2008, Steve Schmidt was given "full operational control" of McCain's campaign. Steve Schmidt prior to this was a top aide to Dick Cheney and a protégé to Karl Rove. Another advisor is Charles R. Black worked for Ronald Reagan's two Presidential campaigns in 1976 and 1980 and he was a senior political adviser to the 1992 re-election campaign of George H.W. Bush. Another advisor is Randy Scheunemann. He was project director for the Project for the New American Century. A neo-conservative think tank founded by non other than Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Bill Kristol and others in 1996. Other signatories to this group reads like a who’s who of the last 8 years of the republican administration.
These people have never cared about small town america or “values” All they care about is war profiteering. Many of the signatories have never served in the military. Cheney and Rove both dodged the draft. Look at the statement of principles by the PNAC. Rumsfeld was a good friend of Saddam Huessin in the 80’s Cheney didn’t want Nelson Mandela free. These are the real puppet masters, they throw out the talking points about the left of being elitist and not caring about middle america and these same guys other than Rove have advanced degrees and are worth no less than 10 million dollars. People who support them need to extricate their heads out of Limbaugh and Hannity’s asses and see what is really happening to them. McCain is not his own man he confuses stories of his real life with a book he read “The Gulag Archipelago", in which a fellow prisoner - not a guard - silently drew a cross in the dirt with a stick.” An ironic twist to all this is Eliot A. Cohen, a signatory to the PNAC "Statement of Principles", responded in The Washington Post: "There is no evidence that generals as a class make wiser national security policymakers than civilians. George C. Marshall, our greatest soldier statesman after George Washington, opposed shipping arms to Britain in 1940. His boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, with nary a day in uniform, thought otherwise. Whose judgment looks better?"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2581086/John-McCain-accused-of-plagiarising-Wikipedia-for-speeches.html. Even if you don’t like Obama there is no-way a sane person can want this continued blatant fleecing of our Nation.
Thes are all verifiable facts and can be found just with a google search. AIPAC and PNAC are the military industrial complex.
Other than the ultra affluent, how can anyone support the Republican Party? When will small town America realize that they are being duped into supporting the ultra-affluent agenda? The talking points of the right are so hypocritical that it becomes laughable. The red meat of the right is the so called Main stream Media as if Limbaugh, Hannity, et al. are not part of it. They demean celebrity status, however they tout one of their greatest presidents(Reagan) was an actor. They say they are the party of patriotism, yet many of the upper echelon of the party have never served, i.e. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Reagan. They say that they care about "Main Street" USA but only bail out the Whales of Wall Street. Yet small town America eat this tripe every year. They don't care about religion unless it can be used to stir up the base, nor science or technology unless there is a buck to be made. Small town America takes pride on its freedom but yet don't realize that over time we are becoming less free, ie wire tapping and other forms of domestic surveillance. They demean people of intelligence because they know many people of small town America don't have degrees and use it at a fake issue and call people who spent time in academia as elitist when many on the right serve on university boards and have part-time professorships. They say they are against affirmitive action but yet celebrate mediocrity, Bush43 and McCain graduating at the bottom of their classes. Who both came from already well established families and had all the opportunities and connections to excel. Why does small town America believes this is the party for them? Christian conservatives seem to the be the first ones who want to go to war and bomb someone before any diplomacy is tried. Why can't small town America and Christian conservatives realize they are being used as pawns just as much the Islamic fundamentalist are. Islamic fundamentalist come from small town Middle East and given the same kind of talking points as the evangelicals. They want prayer in school, no choice available to women, and believe to the core that their ideas about worship and country are the best. Wake up small town America you are being duped.Talking about who is more patriotic, symbols, lipstick and wearing pins are nothing more than distractions to the real issue of how a few select group of people have held power almost continuously for over 30 years. Yes the left has their own political power groups but none have been so effective at pushing forward an agenda that is fundamentally bad for the U.S. and in a larger view the entire world. I stress again the now defunct PNAC and the AIPAC have been slowly pushing us closer to another World War. Bush41 and et al have been doing this and no one calls them on it. Every Republican administration has basically the same people recycled since Nixon. Just do a little research and you will see that these people are just pushing this agenda of some kind of Pax Americana and not taking into account that maybe other nations of the world might not like that and if not bomb them.Many people who support the Republican party, really need to read "1984" by George Orwell and see how we as nation have been inching closer to that type of society. People think this story is about a communist society, but it is more about how a society is kept in a constant state of fear in order for the ruling class to stay in control. Doublespeak, patriotism to the point of frenzy, censorship, erosion of civil liberties (not respecting the Constitution) is happening right in front of us. The consolidation of government (the executive branch has never been more powerful than ever, gridlocked legislature with only two parties for representation, a judiciary that just kowtows to the executive branch). No real independent journalism. Cameras placed on every street corner. This may sound like delusional conspiracy stuff, but I implore people to research for themselves to really see what is happening to them. People think this could never happen here in the U.S. but all this has already happening, slowly, incrementally all under the guise of "keeping America safe

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:47 PM

HemiHead, I think McCain is down a bit, at least on Real Clear Politics. He was ahead by 2.4.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

Link to NBC and the Palin parody.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/palin-hillary-open/656281/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:46 PM

I thought temperature might be an issue for wind power(see below) but according to the DOE. Maybe that $1200 given to each citizen by Palin would have been better spent on renewable energy.

"This map indicates that mainland Alaska has wind resources consistent with utility-scale production. The largest contiguous low elevation area of good-to-excellent resource is located in the western part of the state between Bethel and the Yukon River Delta. Coastal locations along the Bering Sea and the Arctic Ocean are likely to have good-to-excellent resource. Excellent wind resources are located on higher ridge crests crest locations throughout mainland Alaska including the Brooks and Alaska Ranges and the Chugach Mountains."

http://www.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro/windpoweringamerica/maps_template.asp?stateab=ak


"Utility-scale wind turbine generators have minimum temperature operating limits which apply in areas that experience temperatures below –20 °C. Wind turbines must be protected from ice accumulation, which can make anemometer readings inaccurate and which can cause high structure loads and damage. Some turbine manufacturers offer low-temperature packages at a few percent extra cost, which include internal heaters, different lubricants, and different alloys for structural elements. If the low-temperature interval is combined with a low-wind condition, the wind turbine will require an external supply of power, equivalent to a few percent of its rated power, for internal heating. For example, the St. Leon, Manitoba project has a total rating of 99 MW and is estimated to need up to 3 MW (around 3% of capacity) of station service power a few days a year for temperatures down to –30 °C. This factor affects the economics of wind turbine operation in cold climates."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:39 PM

Go Joe!

Posted by: mountainman | September 15, 2008 12:35 PM

As soon as I heard that Tina Fey was going to do Palin on SNL, I knew come monday they'd say McCain's poll numbers went up. This is the 5th time I've called it days before it happened. The media is so predictable. Every time McCain screws up, or something good happens to Obama, John McCain gets a bump in the polls. I have a feeling that their gonna steal the election with their corrupt voting machines. Their trying to make this seem close so people won't burn the country down when we get ripped off.

Posted by: HemiHead | September 15, 2008 12:34 PM

Montana has a dem Governor and how many wind generators
Alaska has what?

statistics for all states are listed

renewable energy is part of Obama's plan

http://www.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro/windpoweringamerica/wind_installed_capacity.asp

Posted by: grandma | September 15, 2008 12:28 PM

C'mon Katie, McCain is not lying, he is just believing everything Palin tells him, like where he said she sold the plane on eBay for a profit.

"When did he do that? As best as I can tell, all he's been doing is lying about Sarah Palin's record.

Posted by: Katie | September 15, 2008 12:22 PM"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:26 PM

"Two of the attributes of liberals is that they can not understand that everyone doesn't think like them or agree with them and they are overwhelmed by their emotions."


Listening to constant lies and manipulations will do that to a person. Maybe you just sit and smile as someone smears and slanders you. It is the Republicans who believe there are no solutions but theirs. Trickle down. Trickle down. Trickle down. No matter how many times you repeat a lie, it doesn't make it true.


"This leads them to project their failings and character flaws on the other and their hopes and dreams on one savior or false prophet or another."


Who is responsible for the last 8 years? Who is being portrayed as the "hero" who will put America first?


"So the dishonorable call their opponents dishonorable, liberals libel and smear their opponents and accuse them of doing it. If someone simply tells the truth about them it is labeled slander and lies and unfair."


Who's crying victim? The Republicans are the ones stretching reality to complain about "lipstick" and attempting to portray a good-touch, bad-touch safety instruction for kids as being a perverted "comprehensive sex education" plan.


"In defiance of reality, the record or facts they invariably project all of their hopes and dreams on some con man, tyrant or egotistical madman. Mussolini, Hitler, FDR, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Che, Hugo. Always a holy, pure messiah, a leader."


Driven to support someone who doesn't have their best interests in mind by a calculated misinformation and propaganda campaign. The Republicans rely on this fact for their existence. Guns, gays, and abortions: without them, people might actually look at their policies and how their lives are effected by them...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:25 PM

"Sleazinest , lying , Dishonorable .
These are the words of the new
obama politics?
At least McCain is talking
about issues.
Thank You John McCain."

When did he do that? As best as I can tell, all he's been doing is lying about Sarah Palin's record.

Posted by: Katie | September 15, 2008 12:22 PM

JOHN MCCAIN WROTE:

“Hello, I’m John McCain, a former POW.

I keep telling you that I am the original Maverick. That’s not quite true. James Garner was the “original” maverick, but I did used to be a maverick.

In 2000, I ran for president. George W. Bush beat me for the nomination by lying about me. He became president and won reelection. I learned a valuable lesson: Lying works!

I’ve hired the best liars I can find, men who learned from Karl Rove. They saw that I was a maverick, so they lassoed me, corralled me, and turned me into a gelding. They taught me how to lie, and even to deny lying when I’m caught. It has worked for George Bush for eight years.

I know I’ve violated the Navy Code of Honor, but, you know what, I’m not in the Navy anymore. They got tired of me after I crashed those five planes. I’ll show them!! When I’m Commander-in-Chief, I’ll crash lots of planes!!!

Anyway, even though I’ve lost all my integrity and am an embarrassment to my country, vote for me. I’m an old man, and this is my last chance. If you vote for me, I’ll give you a house. I won’t miss it. Did I tell you I used to be a POW?

I’m John McCain, once a maverick but now a gelding, and I approved this message.”

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:22 PM

Excellent Tom Friedman article.

"Making America Stupid

Imagine for a minute that attending the Republican convention in St. Paul, sitting in a skybox overlooking the convention floor, were observers from Russia, Iran and Venezuela. And imagine for a minute what these observers would have been doing when Rudy Giuliani led the delegates in a chant of “drill, baby, drill!”

I’ll tell you what they would have been doing: the Russian, Iranian and Venezuelan observers would have been up out of their seats, exchanging high-fives and joining in the chant louder than anyone in the hall — “Yes! Yes! Drill, America, drill!” — because an America that is focused first and foremost on drilling for oil is an America more focused on feeding its oil habit than kicking it."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14friedman.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:18 PM

This guy - simonsays- is just as demented as his old man McCain. I had to laugh when he posted that McCain was the one doing the issue-talking. You meant to say Obama, right?

Posted by: thisworld | September 15, 2008 12:15 PM

Nasher's slam on the Democratic Party for supporting slavery might have been right on the mark 100 or 150 years ago. Times have changed, Nasher. 2008 is not 1860, and George Bush's GOP is not Lincoln's Republican Party. George Bush's GOP is not even Reagan's Republican Party, anymore, though even in Reagan's day, the GOP had given up the mantle of leadership in civil rights. And now its just about given up its traditional principles completely: it is no longer the flagbearer for fiscal conservatism, limited government, rule of law and reluctance to participate in foreign adventurism.

The party of Bush and McCain has supported spying on Americans, frantic fear-mongering, torture, indefinite detention, abandonment of US treaty obligations and a preemptive war in Iraq that has been a disaster for both nations (yes, the level of death and destruction has declined recently, but we didn't have to fight this war at ALL, so EVERY death, EVERY maimed soldier or Marine, every crippled child or ordinary Iraqi driven from his or her home, was an unnecessary cost incurred on the basis of the falsehoods used to sell the whole debacle to Congress and the country in the first place).

The current economic troubles in the United States, including bailouts for big business (what ever happened to free markets?) and travail for ordinary Americans, are consequences of policies pursued by putatively "Republican" governments... its not MY Republican Party anymore, either...under Bush and Cheney, it has become the "Greed and Oil Party", and McCain offers more of the same.

I am not a Democrat, but it now appears that the only way to get MY Republican Party (and my country) back is to boot these Neocon pretenders from office, and endure a period of governance by the opposition. I don't expect Senators Obama and Biden to have all the answers or to right all wrongs, but the first step to get out of the deep hole Bush has dug us into is to stop digging.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | September 15, 2008 12:11 PM

Finally the light of truth is coming from the Obama/Biden campaign. That is what I invested in, TRUTH, that can be researched and validated. Not just inuendo which is what is pushed daily by the McCain campaign.

It is true that McCain has transformed himself into what is the worst characteristic of the GOP. It is no longer the Party of Lincoln, it has turned into the Party of Rove. One that delights in making mockery of truth and one that sees the deception of the American people as acceptable campaign strategy.

You cannot claim Christanity and shelter yourself in lies and deception. You cannot claim Christianity and author confusion. It is just incompatible.

I look forward to more of this from the Obama/Biden campaign.

I listen for the personal attacks and reject them, because that is not what I, as a registered voter, am interested in. America is in dire economic disrepair. A personal attack is not going to fix that.

Posted by: Concernedaboutdc | September 15, 2008 12:09 PM

I guess the following sites are blocked at your location...

http://www.factcheck.org/
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html

Just carry on, ignorance is bliss I guess.


"Sleazinest , lying , Dishonorable .
These are the words of the new
obama politics?
At least McCain is talking
about issues.
Thank You John McCain."

Posted by: simonsays | September 15, 2008 11:58 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:02 PM

Ah SENATURD JOE - your 'TESTES' seem to be shriveling the closer you get to your big debate with SARAH PALIN!!! Perhaps you could take a loan of balls+cash from your politically connected sons+brother??? DEMBHOLES always the shrinking wankers!!! Ha.

Posted by: Zyskandar A. Jaimot | September 15, 2008 12:01 PM

Are there some kind of noises or voices in your head? Mccain almost never talks about the economy. He is becoming so demented he does the same stump speech over and over now just like Palin and never takes a question. On the view when pressed on an issue he was stuttering and stammering and getting all angry before just reverting back to not answering questions and repeating lies about Obama from his script. Watch the video it is all over the net. Mccain can;t even stand up to the ladies of the View now. The man is demented and getting worse.

========
McCain is talking about the economy,
ObamaBiden are talking about McCain.
Sweet sweet sweet!
Ohio for McCain by 4%
this is going to be soooooo
sweet.
Nobama

Posted by: simonsays | September 15, 2008 11:53 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:00 PM

Sleazinest , lying , Dishonorable .
These are the words of the new
obama politics?
At least McCain is talking
about issues.
Thank You John McCain.

Posted by: simonsays | September 15, 2008 11:58 AM

Rural writes:

"Bottom Line: Obama has tried to have it both ways. His campaign unleashed a seditiously calculated misogynist attack against Hillary, then took out Bill Clinton with underhanded floating of the racist card."


Using the term "bottom line" doesn't make you right. Any more than your attempt to rewrite the history of the primary campaign that Obama ran.

You'd be the first one attacking Senator Clinton if she had won the Dems primary.

The phony concern that many conservatives are voicing for Clinton these days trying to garner female votes, while oh by the way she's been out campaigning for Obama in Ohio and Florida recently, is truly touching....NOT !

Posted by: MA | September 15, 2008 11:57 AM

not exactly

“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
-------

John Kennedy was the sort of Democrat would could be trusted to run the White House and vowed to "pay any price, bear any burder" to promote democracy over tyranny.

Neither Biden nor Obama are such a man.

Posted by: Rufus | September 15, 2008 11:30 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:54 AM

I find lots of good reasons on this site, you should too. This would be a war no one in the world wins.

http://es.rice.edu/projects/Poli378/Nuclear/f04.stratg_invent.html


"If we do not talk tough on russia
now, then when?
should we wait until they rebuild
their military?
You liberals should do some research.
the USA has 53% of the navel power
in the world.
why would you cower to the Evil Empire?
You may not have noticed,
but they still have not complied
with the cease fire, THEY SIGNED.
Palin08!!

Posted by: usa3 | September 15, 2008 11:48 AM"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:53 AM

McCain is talking about the economy,
ObamaBiden are talking about McCain.
Sweet sweet sweet!
Ohio for McCain by 4%
this is going to be soooooo
sweet.
Nobama

Posted by: simonsays | September 15, 2008 11:53 AM

Even this morning FOK NEWS called Mccain a liar and defended Obama. My head almost spun around.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 11:50 AM

If we do not talk tough on russia
now, then when?
should we wait until they rebuild
their military?
You liberals should do some research.
the USA has 53% of the navel power
in the world.
why would you cower to the Evil Empire?
You may not have noticed,
but they still have not complied
with the cease fire, THEY SIGNED.
Palin08!!

Posted by: usa3 | September 15, 2008 11:48 AM

GM writes:

"Obama's nothing more than a slight-of-hand scam artist."

And McCain is nothing more than a Bush clone, as is the sassy dolt he selected to be his VP.


If you liked the Bush years and want more of the same, Bush's unending Iraqi war, and want another war with Iran, than McCain is definitely your guy.

McCain CAN NOT wait to get his finger on the trigger and start droppoing bombs on Iran. It'll be his first priority if he wins.

He'll hand the economy off to Phil "whiner" Gramm, the architect of the deregulation that led to the banking/mortgage/housing crisis, and keep trotting Sarah the I can see Russia from Alaska, foreign policy expert/beauty queen/moose killer out for photo ops.

Posted by: MA | September 15, 2008 11:47 AM

McCain never had any principles. He ditched his first wife and his military career to marry into an organized crime family and then he used the Hensley-Marley-Lansky network and money to go into politics.

That is the truth.

Posted by: Deep Blue | September 15, 2008 11:47 AM

a taxcut for 95% of americans?
where is the media on this scam?
a 1000 dollars from oil windfall
taxes, that is inane.
if you tax the oil companies,
where do you think they will
make up the money?
obama has so many pockets
full of money in his speechs,
and we have a deficit.
people will believe anything.
Nobama

Posted by: simonsays | September 15, 2008 11:42 AM

The view of Palin as pit-bull was verfied last week as she came out for war against Russia. Yes, Russia. "Oh, I would do that, if Russia goes back into Georgia", she said.
So perky. Any idea how many troops THAT would take?
The draft will already be required to go after bin Laudin if we stay in Iraq much longer.
How many divisions does Russia have on its southern flank. How will we supply our troops?
Medvedev addressed her comments the next day and said Russia will not be deterred and that Palin''s idea of having former socialist republics which border Russia, in NATO, is not acceptable, that Russia has a need for a sphere of influence.
This means war. And a losing proposition, a war with no supply lines, against a nuclear power on their turf.
Did Palin take history at Matanuska-Susitna College?
Please REGISTER and vote no to the PALIN wars in Russia. Yes wars. Two. Ukraine and South Ossetia/Georgia. Listen to the interview or read the transcript. WAR with Russia.
That''s our pit-bull. Actually, that''s a delusional candidate, who should be rejected by the vast majority of Americans if/when they find out.
WAR WITH RUSSIA. A DRAFT.
Two fronts, against Russia.
Insane? Armageddon?
VOTE OBAMA 2008. End the delusional campaign of Palin before she is running for President in 2012.

Posted by: bruce Becker | September 15, 2008 11:30 AM

John Kennedy was the sort of Democrat would could be trusted to run the White House and vowed to "pay any price, bear any burder" to promote democracy over tyranny.

Neither Biden nor Obama are such a man.

Posted by: Rufus | September 15, 2008 11:30 AM

Hi Xander (we should start our own blog)

"Their policies are similar. Not just one or two, but the vast majority. They may be worded differently, but they reflect the same thing. I just don't see how people can side with McCain when he wants to continue on (with only a small change here or there that won't really impact the country the way it needs to) down the same road."

The truth is until the golbal market absorb the losses - the American debt is what it is and it's not just our issue, it is global. The drill for fuel now is what American needs, which might appear as a bandaid... but when your wrists are cut a bandage is nice. If you wait to have surgery you bleed to death. Obama's policies are "Nice" but the reality is they are too time consuming and the ecomony doesn't have that. Drill now (as un-green as that sounds) boost the US ecomony with jobs and reduces costs within a short period of time (while of course working for a greener solution). Cutting back on foreign transfers should be implemented at once
before the US becomes a third world nation.(if you pay for a relationship - well it's considered the old professions right!) There is no quick fix solution - the fast bandage in a dire situation will do until the Demos (with a more seasoned Obama or best of all Hillary) take it in 2012.

Posted by: Nader | September 15, 2008 11:29 AM

McCain is just another militarist from a long line of militarists - those who think the military is the first and best answer to any problem. He's sort of a mini-me Douglas McArthur without the talent.

Johnnie "top gun" (he was never that) bombed and presumably killed civilians in Hanoi from his silver bird and then complained of his ill treatment.

He's lucky they didn't kill him on the spot - after all that is what he was doing to them.

Now he has that far away look in his eyes reminicing about his glory years - never once thinking that perhaps 58,000+ kids died for nothing. We of course "honor" them at the black wall - better that they should still be with us.

Foolish old man....

Posted by: toritto | September 15, 2008 11:27 AM

"I personally don't care if Obama was marketed or whatnot, the fact that his policies reflect what this country is in need of pushes me to favor him over McCain."

And what policies might those be?

His courageous stand on FISA?

The honesty he showed American voters with respect to NAFTA? (Just in case you've forgotten, Obama's aide told the prime minister of Canada that he should just ignore what Obama was telling voters with respect to this issue because he didn't really intend to do what he was saying in his speeches and was just saying that to get elected.)

Or maybe you're impressed with Obama's support for the Democratic Party's historic and long-standing position with respect to campaign finance reform - which can basically be summed up as, "May the wealthiest man win - so long as that man is me."

Then again, he also showed great political dexterity with respect to Jerusalem, telling Jews in the morning that the city should remain undivided, but telling Muslems that afternoon that he didn't really mean it.

And we haven't even yet gotten to his principled and consistent stand with respect to U.S. troops in Iraq - (1) they should go, (2) they should stay, and (3) as revealed in today's news, they should stay as long as it benefits me politically.

Obama's nothing more than a slight-of-hand scam artist. Perhaps you ought to listen a little less to what he SAYS (remarks he cribs from the likes of John F. Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King, and, more recently, Ronald Reagan and Duval Patrick) and watch more closely what he actually DOES (i.e., failing to send any money to the school in Kenya he promised in 2006 to support, gutting his own legislation with respect to Exelon, taking credit for legislation passed by the Senate Banking Committee, on which he is not even a member, putting close friend Valerie Jarrett - who allowed low-income housing projects she received millions of dollars to manage to fall into such a state of disrepair they were condemned - into a position of power in his campaign, etc., etc., etc.)

Posted by: GM | September 15, 2008 11:27 AM

NY TIMES FILLETS SARAH BARRACUDA.
NOW WILL OBAMA BITE BACK?

• Barack: Listen to Biden If You Want to Win

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/ny-times-fillets-sarah-barracuda-now-will-obama-bite-back-get-political-w-vic-livingston

Posted by: scrivener | September 15, 2008 11:21 AM

"we lost our missiles
in Turkey?"

With all of the long range ICBM's that we have stationed all over the world, how exactly did losing a few in Turkey really affect us?

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 11:15 AM

Rangel and Obama "working together to craft preminary legislative agenda"- That's just what our economy needs!

**NY Times Calls for Rangel's Resignation from Chairmanship of House Ways and Means Committee Today**

From Newsweek 8/28/08

OBAMA TEAM WORKS WITH HILL DEMOCRATS
(Jonathan Weisman, Washington Post)
Eager to avoid the missteps that plagued the first months of the Clinton administration, aides to Barack Obama have begun working in concert with top Democrats in Congress to craft a preliminary legislative agenda that would guide the senator from Illinois should he capture the White House in November. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has assigned her committee chairmen to begin with low-hanging fruit to build confidence and provide a new, young president quick legislative victories, then pivot to more challenging issues, from ending U.S. military involvement in Iraq to broadening health-care coverage. House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.) said his policy staffs and Obama's have been working together for more than a month. (!)

Posted by: Alan | September 15, 2008 11:13 AM

Kennedy bargaining,
If the soviets
no not put missiles
in cuba,
the US would take down
missiles in Turkey.
no change for the soviets,
while we lost our missiles
in Turkey?
so the soviets gained.
We Lost.

Posted by: usa3 | September 15, 2008 11:13 AM

"President Kennedy, through back door diplomacy, wise and thoughtful deliberation, and an appreciation of the adversary's position, was able to successfully turn back what could have been a world disaster."

Have you -- like the man you intend to vote for for President -- "been doing a little blow?"

In his first public speech on the crisis, Kennedy stated as follows:

"It shall be the policy of this nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the Western Hemisphere as an attack on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response upon the Soviet Union."

It was this full-on threat of outright war - combined, signficantly, with the Soviet Union's belief that Kennedy could and would back up his words with actions - that resolved the crisis.

Oh, yeah. Kennedy was DEFINITELY a peace-loving diplomat who pandered to this country's enemies.

Posted by: DWM | September 15, 2008 11:08 AM

" Sure Bush and McCain have some similarities - they are both old white men; (hmmmm I wonder if that statement would be considered racist)"

Ok, this one made me chuckle. My co-workers were staring at me :P

Their policies are similar. Not just one or two, but the vast majority. They may be worded differently, but they reflect the same thing. I just don't see how people can side with McCain when he wants to continue on (with only a small change here or there that won't really impact the country the way it needs to) down the same road. I personally don't care if Obama was marketed or whatnot, the fact that his policies reflect what this country is in need of pushes me to favor him over McCain. Obama has ideas on how to fix this country. McCain has ideas of how to put small bandaids on a large wound.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 11:07 AM

The statement below PROVES the ignorance of those backing Obama..

"About 90% of Blacks voted for Bill Clinton. They vote democratic, as they should. Why in the world would they vote for Republicans? (Though it begs the questions of why so many other people could be fooled to vote Republican)."

It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.

It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.

During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation. Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman's issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.

Why should Blacks vote for Democrates? Beats me!

Posted by: Nasher | September 15, 2008 11:03 AM

"You are not convincing me and are arguing with opponents who maintain positions without any evidence or even in the teeth of the evidence. What counts from here on out are $$ and votes. How many people have you registered to vote?"

I've been doing quite a bit of phonebanking, but that's about all I can do as far as time restraints are concerned.

But let me ask your opinion on this. The McCain campaign has sent out 1 million improper absentee registration forms to Ohio, and another 100,000 to Wisconsin. The problem? The return address is incorrect. We've seen this before (see "Caging"). There are reports of this happening in other states as well, although not in the large numbers as reported here. So let me ask you this, do you find this all to be cooincidental? It seems too widespread to me to be an accident. If it were one state, one county, I could understand. Mistakes do happen. But to happen on such a large scale seems a little bit fishy to me. Especially since in some areas it's been going only to democrats and independent voters.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 10:59 AM

To refute this witty comeback..

"I'll tell you what ignorant is. Someone who buys into the smear campaigns of their own party but shuns the smear campaign of the opposing party. McCain is using far worse tactics in trying to tear down Obama, by using lies and slander that has been proven to be lies time and time again. And yet he still repeats them, thinking that the American people are stupid. To say that McCain is a saint and has no connections to people of questionable morality is ignorant. To say that McCain is nothing like Bush is ignorant. You can deny the truth as much as you want, it will not make it any less true."

#1 I'm not a Republican - I would have gladly voted for Hillary as she has the experience I'm looking for in a leader.

#2 Sure Bush and McCain have some similarities - they are both old white men; (hmmmm I wonder if that statement would be considered racist)

#3 I'm a northern urbanite (some like to dream that those that dislike Obama are ignorant southern bible thumping red necks - not that I don't like southern bible thumping red necks).

Obama is simply a product of good marketing - lots of gloss and no substance. I don't approve of any campaign's smear campaign but if anyones says Obama had a Muslim background - that's not a smear -its reality. If they say Obama doesn't have the experience of others (Hillary or McCain) it's not a smear it's a fact. I don't care what colour he is, nor specifically his religion. It's his denial and reworking his background that I think is deceptive. If he lies about that - well he will lie about anything .

Posted by: Nasher | September 15, 2008 10:56 AM

"If you vote on the person that best represents your views on the issues at hand, then perhaps we can pull ourselves out from this hell that we've been thrown into the past 7 years."

Unfortunately, after changing and/or lying about his positions on FISA, NAFTA, NASA and campaign finance reform, America can have no idea whatsoever as to what Obama's true view is with respect to any issue.

The "Obama Doctrine" means one thing - lying, cheating, and stealing in order to get elected. And it's impossible for any principled person to support a campaign run by people who regard Karl "I Can Get Anybody Elected" Rove as a hero.

I can't imagine that anybody would fall for what this snake oil salesman is selling.

Posted by: DWM | September 15, 2008 10:54 AM

I am glad the Democrats
have called to task the
deplorable campaigning
tactics of 2000 and 2004'
it has put a spotlight
and their own use of
the same tactics this year.
And they will lose,
with only themselves to thank.
McCain is being very wisely
quiet, and letting obama
shoot himself in the foot.
Nobama

Posted by: simonsays | September 15, 2008 10:53 AM

Warning to all the Obama supporters posting on this site.

You are not convincing me and are arguing with opponents who maintain positions without any evidence or even in the teeth of the evidence. What counts from here on out are $$ and votes. How many people have you registered to vote?

Posted by: LNDenver | September 15, 2008 10:52 AM

Oh, it must be nice for the candidates to have their VPs picked. Now Biden and Palin can do the mudslinging, while the presidential candidates "take the high road."

http://www.politicswithagrin.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Kristen | September 15, 2008 10:52 AM

Anyone remember when McCain promised to run an honorable campaign? Haha, how'd that turn out? He seems to have difficulty including any truth in his advertisements. It's just blatant lies. And when asked to define the honor that he loves to talk about, he gets indignant and refuses to talk about it. Hurray for lip service.

Posted by: T-Bone | September 15, 2008 10:51 AM

"an opportunistic and vicious right-wing politician in a mindless pursuit of the White House"

Exactly why McCain can't become the agent of change. He has changed and become an agent of the Republican smear machine.

Bush/McCain. No More Years!!!

Posted by: thebob.bob | September 15, 2008 10:51 AM

This is not even about winning an election. It is about trying to govern a nation that is at the edge of a cliff.

A McCain/Palin Administration will continue to feed the animosity of our enemies and the ill will of people with whom we must inhabit this earth. They know better than some of us that this Administration will be "more of the same" and will lose any restraint that stems for respect for the American people, if not their leaders, they may feel for us, for, surely, they will conclude that this is exactly what we want.

There is a time for Republican leadership, but this is certainly NOT the time. I agree that Reform is needed; Reform of the Republican Party, who have decimated every thing they have touched in the past 8 years. I remember that the people abroad were stunned with the re-election of Bush 4 years ago, as was I. We will not have many chances to make us right again, especially with the real prospect of the lightweight Palin, a clone of GW Bush, an inevitable successor to McCain.

Republicans need to take a Time Out, to reform and to rehabilitate, on that I agree. But they need to do it on their own time and on their own dime. We simply cannot afford to invest the business of this nation to them while they pursue a Reformation of themselves. It is questionable that any organization can reform themselves anyway; they need outside intervention, and a loss in November should be enough of a intervention for any reasonable group to begin taking their failures seriously.

If one thinks in terms of "Who can govern?" instead of "Who can win an election?", there is only one choice this time around.

The campaign being conducted by McCain/Palin is fraught with lies, disinformation, and empty rhetoric that is repeated over and over again even in the face of having been proven to be lies. Either they believe the American people are stupid and impressed by bling or they are not grounded in reality, or they do not care about the very real issues, or they simply have no respect for the people of this country. I suspect it is all of the above.

With the fall of Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch, how much more can happen? We are scating on thin ice. These are the times in our nation's history when a Democratic President made a difference in GOVERNING our nation on all fronts. It will take at least 8 years to put in place systems and policies to begin correction. For that we need an educated team, a thoughtful team, a team that tempers action with wise jusgement, a team that can convince the world that we are a people who want to serve with the power of example and not by the examples of our power, of which little is left.

We cannot afford an impulsive, militant, narrow minded, Administration that feels entitled for their own sake, to retain their "power" and who will do anything to retain it. McCain is not so much a "maverick" as he has proven himself to be a "hypocrite". Everything he has criticized about Obama, he has adopted now as his own.

Before the selection of Biden for VP, and before the DNC convention and the RNC convention, I seriously entertained the idea of voting for McCain. "How bad could he be?" I asked myself. I have found out. There is nothing admirable about him. The reason he may seem to have been a "maverick" throughout the years is because he has no deep seated convictions of his own, no genuine convictions to anything higher than as it pertains to himself. It is no wonder that he and Lieberman are such good friends. The only topic he can speak to with any conviction is WAR. And that because of a war more than 20 years old that he spent as a POW, along with many others who came home and had to make a future without the umbrella of protection McCain enjoyed as the son of the Admiral and the son in law of a rich man.

I want someone who values Peace; who knows how to keep the communication open with "enemies". There will always be "enemies"; we cannot be constantly at war with others. In the most critical event of the Cuban missle crisis, 13 days were spent with 24/7 discussion among his Cabinet on how best to manage this crisis, but President Kennedy used thoughtful judgement, respect for his adversaries as human beings who needed not to be conquered but needed to be reminded of their share of the consequences, and needed to "save face". While some of his Cabinet were indeed ready to launch missles, President Kennedy, through back door diplomacy, wise and thoughtful deliberation, and an appreciation of the adversary's position, was able to successfully turn back what could have been a world disaster. He, too, was a war hero. But his temperament, his formal and personal education, his respect for life, and his wise leadership was invaluable. He, too, was a young man.

The answer is not always a blustering, impulsive, impatient personality; certainly not the proximity of how close one lives to a potential adversary that can be "seen from my home". The answer is in a leader that has about as much integrity and authenticity that one can find in a "politician".

Politics is the path people use to govern. Engaging in politics, we, the voters, need to ferret out who will govern best. We need only to look at the last 8 years to have learned the difference. We must not, cannot, make the same mistake again. There will be no forgiveness or tolerance for it a third time.

No way, No how, No McCain, No Palin. It just cannot work. Any thinking person knows, based on the campaign they are running, the selection of his VP, that he lacks leadership, lacks vision, and lacks the capacity to reform anything, including himself. He is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Posted by: TJW | September 15, 2008 10:51 AM

Sounds like Palin is more than ready for Washington, assuming this is the kind of leader you want.

NY Times on Palin:

"So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency."

" And four months ago, a Wasilla blogger, Sherry Whitstine, who chronicles the governor’s career with an astringent eye, answered her phone to hear an assistant to the governor on the line, she said.

“You should be ashamed!” Ivy Frye, the assistant, told her. “Stop blogging. Stop blogging right now!”"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 10:48 AM

About 90% of Blacks voted for Bill Clinton. They vote democratic, as they should. Why in the world would they vote for Republicans? (Though it begs the questions of why so many other people could be fooled to vote Republican).

Posted by: T-Bone | September 15, 2008 10:47 AM

"Not because of Palin necessarily but it shows that McCain thinks out of the box and isn't tied to Old School politics."

Actually it shows that McCain is willing to stupe to incredible lengths to win this election. He chose her, not because of her experience, but because she's a far right woman. Now he gets the evangelicals on his side, and gets the votes of women too. He did not pick her because she would make a good veep, he did it purely to further his odds of winning. It saddens me that people are buying into this.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 10:44 AM

Whatever did happen to the John McCain we once knew as a man of principle?

When someone sells his soul to big lobbying interests who become advisers on public policies, he not only violates the principles for which he had stood. He loses his honor, as well.

Posted by: Four more years? | September 15, 2008 10:43 AM

I think that McCain's choice of Palin was amazing. Not because of Palin necessarily but it shows that McCain thinks out of the box and isn't tied to Old School politics. So many people critized him for it (he could care less) The truth is with the economy being the way it is and her knowledge in oil (non Texan oil) coupled with the fact that she has the guts to take on Old School Politics as well - not to mention is female, well it was a good combo. If people are so bent out of shape because she is anti-abortion, guess what, America has bigger problems that than. Obama is an elitist. Do you think that his little jab about Pig in lipstick wouldn't be taken the wrong way - the chuckles throughout his group prove that. Then he gets so high minded saying McCain is "deceptive" about being put off by the statement. Obama's group has NO issue playing the race card at will but I guess he thinks he's untouchable - HOW DARE MCCAIN say anything about my statements...
Obama ... with all your millions of donations and all your lefty media, you will never win this country.

Posted by: Mona | September 15, 2008 10:40 AM

"I tell you what deception is - it's a man who lies about his family life and background, a non American socialist who's best friends include a Syrian (now charged with various $$ crimes) and a preacher who hates white people and American values. "

I'll tell you what ignorant is. Someone who buys into the smear campaigns of their own party but shuns the smear campaign of the opposing party. McCain is using far worse tactics in trying to tear down Obama, by using lies and slander that has been proven to be lies time and time again. And yet he still repeats them, thinking that the American people are stupid. To say that McCain is a saint and has no connections to people of questionable morality is ignorant. To say that McCain is nothing like Bush is ignorant. You can deny the truth as much as you want, it will not make it any less true.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 10:36 AM

From Today's WS Journal

"Why Feminists Hate Sarah Palin"

"Mrs. Palin's marriage actually makes her a terrific role model. One of the best choices a woman can make if she wants a career and a family is to pick a partner who will be able to take on equal or primary responsibility for child-rearing. Our culture still harbors a lingering perception that such men are less than manly -- and who better to smash that stereotype than "First Dude" Todd Palin?

Nevertheless, when Sarah Palin offered a tribute to her husband in her Republican National Convention speech, New York Times columnist Judith Warner read this as a message that she is "subordinate to a great man." Perhaps the message was a brilliant reversal of the old saw that behind every man is a great woman: Here, the great woman is out in front and the great man provides the support. Isn't that real feminism?

Not to Ms. Marsh, who insists that feminism must demand support for women from the government. In this worldview, advocating more federal subsidies for institutional day care is pro-woman; advocating tax breaks or regulatory reform that would help home-based care providers -- preferred by most working parents -- is not. Trying to legislate away the gender gap in earnings (which no self-respecting economist today blames primarily on discrimination) is feminist. Expanding opportunities for part-time and flexible jobs is "the Republican Party line."

I disagree with Sarah Palin on a number of issues, including abortion rights. But when the feminist establishment treats not only pro-life feminism but small-government, individualist feminism as heresy, it writes off multitudes of women.

Of course, being a feminist role model is not part of the vice president's job description, and there are legitimate questions about Mrs. Palin's qualifications. And yet, like millions of American women -- and men -- I find her can-do feminism infinitely more liberated than the what-can-the-government-do-for-me brand espoused by the sisterhood."

Ms. Young, a contributing editor at Reason magazine, is author of "Ceasefire!: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces To Achieve True Equality" (Free Press, 1999).

Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 10:34 AM

Mr. Biden, McCain's type of attacks worked in 2000 and 2004. They work on voters who are not well informed, have trouble with a different sounding name; believe false rumors about religion and are bothered with the color of someone's skin. In other words, those lies are great for the uninformed public and bigots.

Posted by: Dave, Allentown | September 15, 2008 10:34 AM

"If Joe Biden agrees to get his hairplugs refreshed at my office, we will do the work pro bono.
We could give him the full head of hair he had when he was 15.
That isn't just a promise, its a guarantee."

Ha HA HA ha ha ... ha (i'm tearing now)..

I think he should call you

Posted by: Joe | September 15, 2008 10:31 AM

McCain's principles are still there ... just covered in stoot thrown upon him by Obama and his flunkies. Obama's smear campaign which almost ruined Hillary, is now in full gear - I tell you what deception is - it's a man who lies about his family life and background, a non American socialist who's best friends include a Syrian (now charged with various $$ crimes) and a preacher who hates white people and American values. He has nothing to say (he has no experience) about his policies so he throws dirt - all holding his head high. McCain isn't Bush - that's just ignorant - in the truest meaning of the word. Keep smearing him - it just makes the rest of REAL AMERICANS - Those that work hard, fight for their country and have morals - more determined to see McCain as our leader.

Posted by: Nasher | September 15, 2008 10:28 AM

"Isn't that what the blacks are doing when they vote for Obama because he is black?"

Yes, and I tell them exactly the same thing. We don't need a president/veep chosen simply because they are this or they are that, because we will just be dooming ourselves to failure once again. If you vote on the person that best represents your views on the issues at hand, then perhaps we can pull ourselves out from this hell that we've been thrown into the past 7 years.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 10:24 AM

The only women who would vote for a Woman with no other reason except they want a woman in office, are Women who are frustrated with thier own lives, blame others for thier failiures, one reason or another, and lack accomplishments in thier own life. They need a HERO

Posted by: Janet | September 15, 2008 10:22 AM

If Joe Biden agrees to get his hairplugs refreshed at my office, we will do the work pro bono.
We could give him the full head of hair he had when he was 15.
That isn't just a promise, its a guarantee.

Posted by: Dr. Wexler - Scranton, PA | September 15, 2008 10:22 AM

Oh please. The wicked MSM, always in the pocket of the Left. Blah Blah Blah... Except when they write something the Right agrees on, then they're gospel. What a bunch of hypocrites.

The Right hates Change. They said Change was bad because it was coming out of the mouth of the Left. Now all the Repubs can talk about is CHANGE? So tell me, Oh Wise Conservatives, what CHANGED your mind? Oh I know! It was a hot babe toting a rifle in front of dead moose! Silly me.....

Joe is the best. He's more of a feminist than Palin could ever hope to be. Look at his voting record on women's issues. I'm sure the years he spent raising his children on his own, being Mr. Mom, had an effect on him. A devoted father and husband with an impeccable voting record, why isn't anyone talking about that?

Posted by: Madge | September 15, 2008 10:21 AM

"Me and my girlfriends have switched our vote to McCain. We are excited about the prospect of having a woman as VP!"

Xander Cried:

For the love of god people, vote on the issues not the gender. This is just rediculous. Just because she's a woman doesn't mean she's a viable choice. This kind of thought process proves how inept this country is...

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 10:16 AM
------------------------------------------

Isn't that what the blacks are doing when they vote for Obama because he is black?

Posted by: Suzy | September 15, 2008 10:19 AM

/You ridiculous Republicans - read the front page - you've brought the Unites States economy to its knees because it wasn't good enough that you've ruined our standing in the world. And you continue to defend the blatant lies and slime of your Republican candidates. You love America? What about it do you love? Not the Constitution! Not our wealth, having sent it all to the Middle East and China! Not its citizens whose diversity you fear! Maybe it's time to rethink your dysfunctional "family values"./

Right on Diane, your comment is spot on!

Posted by: Parkhillian | September 15, 2008 10:18 AM

I am glad Obama is fighting back, McCain is the only POW I with no honor. Don't believe these polls, this race is not close, Obama is going to creme McCain, take back this country and surround his cabinet with Democrats and Republicans to get this country back on track. McCain is going to get exactly what he deserves, his Senate seat back.

Posted by: Rachel | September 15, 2008 10:16 AM

According to Fortune Magazine, there are just 12 women CEOs in Fortune 500 companies - a mere 2.4%!

And we see in today's news where that's gotten us.

Bring on Sarah Palin!

Posted by: CKnight | September 15, 2008 10:16 AM

"Me and my girlfriends have switched our vote to McCain. We are excited about the prospect of having a woman as VP!"

For the love of god people, vote on the issues not the gender. This is just rediculous. Just because she's a woman doesn't mean she's a viable choice. This kind of thought process proves how inept this country is...

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 10:16 AM

"Palin didn't actually burn - or advocate burning - any books.

When the Obama campaign told its bought-and-paid-for bloggers to fire things up, it's too bad they didn't tell them to actually write credible and honest comments.
"

I love how people automatically blame the campaign for bloggers. You're just mad that nobody is writing anything good about McCain (since most of his supporters don't know how to use a computer either :P). As for the "book burning" comment, yes it's true she did not attempt to burn books. She didn't even ban books. She simply asked what the procedure is for banning books. She did not fire the librarian. I am an Obama supporter through and through, but I don't buy into the negative issues for either person unless I research it myself. It's quite simple to find this information now thanks to the net, people are just too lazy/too sheepish to do things themselves, and instead rely on the media to do things for them.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 10:15 AM

all white folks is racist. they have ruined this country and they tryin to ruin obama. but thats okay cause we are taking over the white house in novembver. just like the inventer of the peanut said, george washington carver, the black man can not get free until he gets up inside the white house.

Posted by: Lakisha | September 15, 2008 10:14 AM

Biden?? Who the heck is that?? And why should anyone care what he has to say??

Posted by: Who? | September 15, 2008 10:14 AM

John McCain, who said he "doesn't know much about the economy" will surely have the answers. And if not McCain, then Phil Graham, McCain's economic policy architect, who said it's not a real problem, it's just "in our heads" and we're "a nation of whiners" over this imagined crisis. He'll surely be able to solve it.

— Maria, NY, NY

Posted by: misterearl | September 15, 2008 10:14 AM

Me and my girlfriends have switched our vote to McCain. We are excited about the prospect of having a woman as VP!

Posted by: Suzy | September 15, 2008 10:12 AM

"Hey, did anyone get to read the shortlived story of the protest in Anchorage yesterday against Palin:
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/525510.html

Seems not all of Alaska loves their book burner."

Palin didn't actually burn - or advocate burning - any books.

When the Obama campaign told its bought-and-paid-for bloggers to fire things up, it's too bad they didn't tell them to actually write credible and honest comments.

Posted by: DWM | September 15, 2008 10:11 AM

Never mind "whatever happened to McCain's principles"; whatever happened to American principles.

We used to be a neutral, prosperous country, and so instead of simply bolstering our military for protection and then committing ourselves to taking care of "country first" (let alone "family first") we've instead squandered men, money and munitions on supporting this military-industrial-political-complex.

We spend trillions on life support measures to keep this mirage alive; anything to avoid facing the ugly truth of our condition. We're living a lie.

What would the founders say of our global militarism and our domestic irresponsibilities?

Posted by: cbmtrx | September 15, 2008 10:07 AM

"Hey, did anyone get to read the shortlived story of the protest in Anchorage yesterday against Palin:
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/525510.html
Seems not all of Alaska loves their book burner."

I definitely saw that. Some of their signs were awesome. My favorite was the huskie with the sign on its back that read "Huskies for Obama". That one cracked me up.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 10:06 AM

If I'd had the opportunity, I would have voted for Biden in the primary and the general election.

Now I find myself voting for McCain.

I understand where Joe is coming from with respect to McCain's principles (I was saddened to see Maverick McCain having to resort to playing politics in order to get to the Oval Office), but I would give Joe a word of advice - be sure to watch your principles as well!

We've watched Valerie Jarrett (Obama's "brain") take federal money from the poorest of the poor in Chicago's housing projects in Obama's district.

We've watched Obama lie about his positions on FISA, NAFTA, campaign finance reform and dividing Jerusalem.

We've watched Obama buy caucus votes with iPods and concert tickets, and bus people in from out of district so they could then lie about their residence and vote in districts not their own.

We've watched Obama break his promise to his Illinois constituents with respect to Exelon.

We've watched Obama break his promise to support the school in Kenya that bears his name, a school he promised to support in 2006 and which has not received so much as a single penny from him.

And we've watched Obama promise everything but the kitchen sink to anybody who would listen in order to get them to vote for him.

Hang on to your hat, Joe - it's going to be a bumpy ride!

Posted by: GM | September 15, 2008 10:05 AM

Looks like Palin took a page from the republican playbook to avoid the public records laws, just like the white house did:
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/526281.html

Hey, did anyone get to read the shortlived story of the protest in Anchorage yesterday against Palin:
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/525510.html
Seems not all of Alaska loves their book burner.

Posted by: Fate | September 15, 2008 10:04 AM

"do you believe russia
is a gentle fuzzy pooh bear.
you make me sick.
people like you would
risk the very survival
of Freedom!"

And tell me, how is Russia threatening our freedom in any way? What possible reason do we have to attack them? Because some lobbyist for Georgia is in McCain's camp and is trying to push his own agenda perhaps? There is no possible reason we have to go after Russia.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 10:00 AM

"Luckily, the majority of Americans do not pay attention to negative campaigns. Only young people are star-crossed by "revelatory" National-Enquirer-like ads. To the rest of us, who have voted a few times, we are jaded to political babble."

Are you KIDDING me? Since the Republicans put Gov. Palin on the ticket, I've heard many Republican friends of mine spouting the party line about her like it was chiseled in stone: "she's a reformer", "she's against earmarks"...etc. Don't kid yourself. The majority of Americans believe exactly what the TV tells them if they hear it often enough.

Posted by: themadhatr | September 15, 2008 9:58 AM

Xander Hollander,
you you
seem seem
to to
be be having having
issues issues
typing typing.

Posted by: usa3 | September 15, 2008 9:57 AM

you miss the point anyominus'
you would remove the deterent
and naively believe the russians
would respect other nations
rights.
lets just all live in peace
and harmony. we dont need
armies, we can trust everyone
is going to treat us nicely.
Do you not watch the news?
Have you no relatives in
the ground from fighting
tyranny.
do you believe russia
is a gentle fuzzy pooh bear.
you make me sick.
people like you would
risk the very survival
of Freedom!

Posted by: usa3 | September 15, 2008 9:56 AM

The economy is tanking
Bush-McCain economic policy is "let the market do whatever it wants"
Their "hands off" policy has led to the meltdown we are facing today.
Translation: "Let the greedy crooks run the show."

If we could only go back to the days of Clinton when the economy was strong and we had a budget surplus. Alas. Those days are gone


Posted by: Norris Hall | September 15, 2008 9:55 AM

TommyF wrote: "Obama is turning people away."

So how do you explain Obama's $66M donated in August compared to McCains $47M ? Obama's amount has broken records. Read it here if you can stomach it:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080914/ts_alt_afp/usvoteobamafundraising

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:53 AM

usa3, you are just spouting the most rediculous things I've ever heard. Are you off your meds again?

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 9:52 AM

I'm glad they are fighting back against the blatant lying of the McCain/Palin campaign. With our economy and position in the world crumbling around us, we cannot afford another four years of government by fear and smear. Republicans run a hell of a campaign, but a rotten lousy government. The difference between winning a campaign is that people can be tricked into voting for a candidate. In governing, facts are stubborn things. Give me the fact-based campaign any day.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Chuck | September 15, 2008 9:52 AM

John McCain, who said he "doesn't know much about the economy" will surely have the answers. And if not McCain, then Phil Graham, McCain's economic policy architect, who said it's not a real problem, it's just "in our heads" and we're "a nation of whiners" over this imagined crisis. He'll surely be able to solve it.

— Maria, NY, NY

Posted by: misterearl | September 15, 2008 9:52 AM

One the one hand
the Attack people for
having Christian Faith,
and on the other hand
they compare their candidate
to the Savoir Jesus Christ?
Hypocritical!!!!!

Posted by: usa3 | September 15, 2008 9:50 AM

The right wing says, we didnt have jets in 1927. Now we can stand up to those Russians. Yes, BUT the Russians have thermonuclear warheads on 7,000 missiles. You want some of THAT action?
Anyone, like Palin, who pretends to go against a nuclear power in their turf, is too full of themselves to even smell the death that will be dealt to the entire planet. Nuclear war.
Palin has no clue, and neither, I suspect, do you. Where would you station those F-22's? How would you supply the troops on the ground. It is not happening. She is just making noise for the base, or else she is a lunatic. Armageddon beckons, faithful.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:50 AM

Fortunately, for everybody, Sarah Palin's experience as Mayor of Wasila, Alaska, will put her in a good position to deal with the impending implosion of Wall Street, when John McSame croaks. Read more at: www.SarahPalinAdmirationSociety.com

Posted by: Sarah Palin Admiration Society | September 15, 2008 9:50 AM

"If obamabiden get in,
Russia will move against
Ukraine'
and why wouldnt they?
they love it when
we talk, and their
tanks ROLLllllllllllll
"

You do realize that what you just said makes not one shred of sense right? For the life of me I can't decipher what you're trying to say here.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 9:49 AM

Joe T wrote: "Two of the attributes of liberals is that they can not understand that everyone doesn't think like them or agree with them and they are overwhelmed by their emotions."

You know, I look back at the past 80 years or so and I see what the "liberals" have put into place, programs and events so loved by Americans that even talking about removing them from American life or saying they were wrong is called "radioactive". For example:

Winning WW1
The New Deal
Winning WW2 on both fronts
Social Security
NASA and winning the race to the moon.
Civil Rights
Equal pay for equal work
Medicare
Medicaid

Then I look back at republican programs that are equally radioactive and what do I find?
(crickets chirping)

Democrats, as a party, have lead this nation. Republicans, as a party, have opposed the democrats. And that sums up the two parties.

Posted by: Fate | September 15, 2008 9:49 AM

Jesus was a community organizer,
Pontius Pilate was a Governor?

this is just sad campaigning?
the democrats are imploding!

Nobama

Posted by: simonsays | September 15, 2008 9:49 AM

Barry Hussein (aka Senator Purple Lips), tried to stall GIs' Iraq withdrawl:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | September 15, 2008 9:48 AM

"I hope the Messiah and the Hairplug are elected because they are what the US deserves. Let BHO bring Chicago style liberal fascist (that's "Progressive" for the ignorant) reform to the US. Maybe from the wreckage something good will arise. Maybe not."

Posted by: Joe T
=====

Does that mean we can count on your vote?

Obama/Biden 08!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:45 AM

Luckily, the majority of Americans do not pay attention to negative campaigns. Only young people are star-crossed by "revelatory" National-Enquirer-like ads. To the rest of us, who have voted a few times, we are jaded to political babble.

Obama's negativity will boomerang on him. Realistically, nobody likes an angry candidate and certainly not (everybody groan) an angry black man. Sorry, it's the way it is. You can't get rid of racist tendencies by screaming about it.

Obama is turning people away.

Posted by: TommyF | September 15, 2008 9:44 AM

If obamabiden get in,
Russia will move against
Ukraine'
and why wouldnt they?
they love it when
we talk, and their
tanks ROLLllllllllllll
Nobama

Posted by: usa3 | September 15, 2008 9:42 AM

John McCain is a sell-out and exposed he is just a typical Republican politician by picking Palin. He picked her to appease his base, poach Hillary votes and stoke a culture divide. Even Britain and Europe know Obama is the better candidate.

The only people who don’t get it are the brainwashed right-wing puppets who think that just because someone has a speech draw and likes to fish that somehow makes politicians just like them or the best candidate to run the government. I like Tina Fey too, that doesn’t mean he should run the country. Are we really this foolish? Palin wasn’t the best or most qualified, it’s because mcCain knew she would be a draw to small town America whom they are duping (Sara Palin ain’t like you, folks).

How is this being a "maverick"? How is it ‘Country First”? How is this “I rather win a war than loose an election”? I’ll say it again, John McCain is a sell-out. Obama said it pretty accurately too - Lipstick on a pig, is still a pig.

The most important metric for picking a VP is they are ready to step in from day one. His judgment is reckless and he gambled at our expense. The mere fact Palin is being educated on foreign policy and is avoiding the press indicates she wasn’t prepared on day one. She is running for the second highest office, but can’t answer questions from the press or public? This doesn’t alarm anyone?

I lost all my respect for John McCain. He's not the hero today he was 35 years ago. McCain is nothing without Palin.

What does it say about a campaign that has to "mimic" what and whom Obama is, not to mention hijack Obamas core message of Change from day one just to poach votes? Is that all they view Obama as, a "product" a "formula", a “personality”? It makes McCain look weak and more importantly, the American people stupid if they fall for it.

Now all these puppets are willing to just get behind her without even knowing anything about her and try to convince the American public she is prepared to be VP or President? Not even uncertain objectiveness, caution, pause or question just because she has an "R" in front of her name? How can anyone make a honest, clear determination reasonably in less than 60 days.

Bravo America! We look like complete idiots once again while the world watches. I am truly embarrassed of my country. I guess all isn’t lost, at least many will have Palin’s eye glass frames while our country crumbles economically. We are such tools.

If Palin/McCain win I'm leaving this country. I’m not paying for a war that should have never happened or failed Bush policies any more than I already have.

British Prime Minister Backs Obama
http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2008/09/brown-backs-oba.htm

World wants Obama
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2360240.htm?section=world


Posted by: Laura | September 15, 2008 9:39 AM

Google Front Page, this morning:

Obama blasts GOP on economy


Obama, Biden declare war on McCain campaign tactics

Biden To Get Tough On McCain in Michigan

And you think
the media is not biased?
They are driving voters
to McCain.
Look at the polls!
Nobama

Posted by: simonsays | September 15, 2008 9:39 AM

"If voters want someone who will work across the aisle and still be strong on national defense, Vote McCain! "

McCain works for the good of the big name companies and lobbyists. I don't see him reaching across any line.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 9:39 AM

John McCain, who said he "doesn't know much about the economy" will surely have the answers. And if not McCain, then Phil Graham, McCain's economic policy architect, who said it's not a real problem, it's just "in our heads" and we're "a nation of whiners" over this imagined crisis. He'll surely be able to solve it.

— Maria, NY, NY

Posted by: misterearl | September 15, 2008 9:39 AM

Scott, you seem to think
telling the Russians
we will not confront them
is going to make them behave?
I dont think they had F-22
Raptures
in 1917.
and we didnt have liberal
do nothings like you
and obama, thank God!

Posted by: usa3 | September 15, 2008 9:35 AM

Again, the problem I'm seeing is that Obama wants to win a war on two fronts - (1) tackle issues, (2) answer attacks with more attacks. First, this is against his philosophy, so his integrity is in question. This is not an attack, but an observation. Second, this is not fruitful. I have the same advice for McCain - stick to the issues you know: war and reform. For Obama: stick to ideas and people-gathering. Third, this strikes me as weak, and htat translates to a weak commander-in-chief, and I base this assessment not only on this but other of Obama's decisions.

Too bad McCain-Obama couldn't be a ticket. No, listen... you'd get experience, heroism, reform combined with youth, ideas, popularity, and diversity. Not a bad ticket - best (or worst, if you're a pessimist) of both worlds. Sure, Obama's socialism vs. McCain's Keynesian bent would be at odds, but... just musing.

Posted by: TommyF | September 15, 2008 9:34 AM

No matter what Biden thinks (or who he copied his speech from), the American people want bipartisanship and change. It is true that McCain has voted with the Republicans 85% of the time, but Obama has voted with his party 97% of the time! McCain has a record of 55% co-sponsoring of bills will Dems, Obama 13%. If voters want someone who will work across the aisle and still be strong on national defense, Vote McCain!

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | September 15, 2008 9:34 AM

"The same campaign that once called for a town hall a week is now launching a low blow a day."

And whose campaign rejected the town hall a week proposal?

How dare he? Does he think we all have the short term memory of the guy from "Memento"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:33 AM

"The democrats sure get
the lion's share of
positive headlines.
But we all know,
there is no media
bias'"

That's because McCain/Palin keep giving the news headline material. If they would stop screwing up so often, they would be out of the news more often. But with every lie, every slanderous comment, every false ad, they fuel the fire of the media. Why don't they cover Obama as much? Because he isn't lying, cheating, or trying to steal this election with shoddy campaigning. It's not his fault the GOP's Rove tactics are so popular with the media.

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 9:33 AM

They say they want to discuss ISSUES'
McCain's Principles?
Palin's 'LIES'
Sleazy Campaign?
These are ISSUES?
obama is the same
ols Stinking Fish
Chicago Politician.
Vote for American Pride
Vote McCain.

Posted by: simonsays | September 15, 2008 9:33 AM

Scott
Medvedev said the previous incursion by Georgia into South Ossetia was akin to 9-11, for the Russians.
Medvedev also said Palin's stated intention to bring Georgia into the NATO and then to use that NATO membership as a pretext for MILITARY involvement by the USA would not deter Russia from re-entering the region by force.
Maybe you dont grasp the complexity or depth of modern political problems. Palin surely does NOT.
Also, do you think any 1,000 high school students could tell you what happened to the last two great armies (France, Germany) that entered Russia?
Anyone know about the Anglo-American 'expeditionary force' of 100,000 men? That was in 1927, when the Brits and USA put up 100,000 men to go up against Lenin, to 'restore democracy'. They had to be evacuated, before winter came.
Do we even have an extra 100,000 for such an 'expedition'.
No. We dont have the men to do the job in Afghanistan, according to our generals. Thus, the PALIN DRAFT, comes to the USA.

Posted by: bruce Becker | September 15, 2008 9:31 AM

Joe "The Hairplug" Biden, plagiarist, law school cheat, father of lobbyists, backroom deal maker and general do nothing, a man who has never run anything but his mouth questions McCain's honor?

I don't like McCain. However, it can be said truthfully that unlike Biden, at least he once had honor. Just as Bush's only saving grace has been the fact that he was not Kerry or Gore MCCain's only saving grace is that he is not a cheap, fraud and machine politician from Daley's Chicago named Obama.

Two of the attributes of liberals is that they can not understand that everyone doesn't think like them or agree with them and they are overwhelmed by their emotions. This leads them to project their failings and character flaws on the other and their hopes and dreams on one savior or false prophet or another. So the dishonorable call their opponents dishonorable, liberals libel and smear their opponents and accuse them of doing it. If someone simply tells the truth about them it is labeled slander and lies and unfair. In defiance of reality, the record or facts they invariably project all of their hopes and dreams on some con man, tyrant or egotistical madman. Mussolini, Hitler, FDR, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Che, Hugo. Always a holy, pure messiah, a leader. And yes Mussolini and Hitler both had their origins in the left. Read a history book.

I hope the Messiah and the Hairplug are elected because they are what the US deserves. Let BHO bring Chicago style liberal fascist (that's "Progressive" for the ignorant) reform to the US. Maybe from the wreckage something good will arise. Maybe not.

Posted by: Joe T | September 15, 2008 9:30 AM

The democrats sure get
the lion's share of
positive headlines.
But we all know,
there is no media
bias'
Nobama!!!!!

Posted by: usa3 | September 15, 2008 9:29 AM

Independent women for Obama/Biden.

Posted by: Jane Markham | September 15, 2008 9:23 AM

correcting typo
"Anyone who affects making it look easy surely lacks gravitas and must not grasp the complexity or depth of modern political problems."
Scott,
Palin said in her interview she will take the USA to war, against Russia, over the relationships between the ethnic Iranians in South Ossetia and the indigenous peoples of the Caucasus.
You really up for the mandatory DRAFT of men under 36, and a war on the Russians' turf? She also said she will take the Ukraine into NATO. Medvedev protested and denied that claim, the next day. Medvedev also said her intention to bring Georgia into the NATO and then to us that NATO membership as a pretext for involvement by the USA would not deter Russia from re-entering the region by force.

Maybe you dont grasp the complexity or depth of modern political problems. Palin surely does NOT.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | September 15, 2008 9:22 AM

This is from Joe Biden, the former law student caught for plagarism lying who begged for mercy to not be thrown out, and then had to drop out of a Presidential campaign in 1988 for AGAIN being caught for plagarizim lying, this time, a speech nearly verbatim?!! This man apparently has NEVER had any principles of honesty and integrity, so how can he presume to judge anyone else? He has behaved in a "disgraceful, dishonorable" manner and run a "disgraceful, dishonorable campaign" AND he is doing it again!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: carollct | September 15, 2008 9:20 AM

"There are already Palin for president in 2012 plans."

Pfft, it won't take that long. With McCain's Melanoma, amongst many other health issues, he probably won't make it first term. If he has another flair up (he's expected to have one within 10 years...it's been 8 so far), the treatments for it would incapacitate him and make him unable to fulfill the role of president. So I can see a Palin presidency in 2009 as opposed to 2012. Lets hope it doesn't come to that.

McCain/Palin 08 - Unstable/Unable

Posted by: Xander | September 15, 2008 9:19 AM

Vote McCain and continue the great progress of the last eight years, the worst president in American History. He was shot down and captured so he has to be President. That was great experience to fix the Bush destroyed economy, get the corporations out of government, and Israel out of the White House. He will attack Iran, Russia, anyone and everyone to keep us in eternal war and our tax dollars spent on killing, not on our country. Keep shopping was Bush's advice after 9/11. McCane was hugging the bastard the whole time trying to ride on his neocon coat tails. What a joke. The he picks a beauty queen to be a heartbeat from the Presidency! We are in big trouble if this jerk wins!!!!!

Posted by: D Miner | September 15, 2008 9:19 AM

Anyone who affects making it look easy surely lacks gravitas and must not grasp the complexity or depth of modern political problems.
Scott,
Palin said in her interview she will take the USA to war, against Russia, over the relationships between the ethnic Iranians in South Ossetia and the indigenous peoples of the Caucasus.
You really up for the mandatory DRAFT of men under 36, and a war on the Russians' turf? She also said she will take the Urkaine into NATO. Medvedev protested and denied that claim, the next day.

Maybe you dont grasp the complexity or depth of modern political problems. Palin surely does NOT.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | September 15, 2008 9:19 AM

Robert Campbell...so, let me get this straight. Joe Biden should be judged harshly for what his son is doing (according to you). So, I guess that means I can judge Sarah Palin for Bristol's poor decisions, her son's drug problem, her husband's DUI, and on and on. So, which is it? Are families off limits? Or, is it just Republican families?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:16 AM

Hey Big Shot Loud Mouth Empty Suit Phony
Liberal Democrat Joe Biden so why not tell
us all about all the sleazy deals your own
lobbyist son Hunter has ben envolved in?
Or you get honest here,old less then one
percent of the vote Joe about your well
known serious drinking problems and also
tell the truth abut your wife's and kids
death you two bit long time Democrat cheap
two bit political hack Joe Biden now?

As you bet your smears Biden against both
Sen John McCain and Gov Sarah Palin only
prove what worthless sleazy rotten to the
core sexist you and Sleazy Messiah Barack
Hussein Obama really are and are already
backfiring against you Biden and Slime
Obama,as the polls already show it,with
McCain and Palin pulling ahead everytime
you and Scumbag so-called Chicago Big Shot
Community Organizer Barack Hussein Obama or
your Surrogates and Bias Mainstream Media
Try To Smear them,you Democrat Dimwit Has
Been Phony Empty Suit Joe Big Mouth Biden.

Independent Women Voters For McCain/Palin.

Posted by: Sherry Kay2004 | September 15, 2008 9:16 AM

It takes more than an imperious president to lead a country, pass new laws and demonstrate global leadership. It requires a working partnership with the Congress, which doesn't necessarily mean the same Party.

McCain is destroying any and all good will that once may have existed with Congress. McCain's shrill partisan attacks threaten to destroy any chance at bipartisanship over the next four years.

Vote McCain if you want NOTHING of consequence done in the next four years.

Posted by: Obvious | September 15, 2008 9:16 AM

If Biden is too hard, they claim Obama has gone negative. If Biden is too soft, they say Obama is not tough enough. McCain did this to himself. He WAS a guy with honor but in the last 2+ weeks it's as if someone else took over his campaign. They CONTINUE to lie about Palin's record when the press has proven many of the claims false and continue to make up lies about Obama for ads. Someone should ask John McCain on camera if he is ashamed of himself and has any idea what "honor" is since he threw his out the window.

Posted by: Ryan Healey | September 15, 2008 9:16 AM

DonChawanano,

Two things and some thoughts:

1) Though our economic woes are not as serious as the great depression, you have not said why the statement "worst economy since the great depression" is not true. The great depression was, well, "great", but with three of the five largest investment firms going belly up this year, a doubling of gas prices in the past two years, food and other costs rising fast, and Greenspan this morning saying that we have not seen the end of this, I would have to say that in by 54 years on this planet that this is the worst economy since the great depression. And if you are going to counter that statement please show that it is false. When was the economy worse than it is now except for the great depression?

2) You cannot build a world class economy on a service economy of flipping hamburgers. This country needs vision. Its greatest institutions, like NASA, which provided millions of jobs in the aeronautics and engineering industries is in atrophy, with Bush ready to let the Russians ferry astronauts to the space station for the next decade. Obama has laid out plans while McCain has done little except to ask for drilling and nuke plants. But America only has 3% of the worlds oil reserves and uses 25% of the world's oil. How can you drill out of that fact? How can 20 more muke plants put gasoline in cars?

Bush, McCain and evidently you think the economy is fine. It is not. We have moved from an industrial economy to a service economy and like Spain and Britain in the last two centuries we will continue to be wealthy, but we will loose our world status, eventually loosing our ability to maintain a military just as we are seeing our lose of maintaining our supremacy in space. In other words we are on a downward spiral. It can be stopped, but it will take leaders who care about America and not just its wealthiest citizens. We need patriots who want to see America regain not just its economic status in the world but its status as a leader in human rights. It can be done, but not by anyone in the republican party.

The republican party is a purely opposition party. Their mission is to limit government so their wealthy constituents can make more money or build bigger businesses to make more money. They do not care about the middle class, our environment, about America's future, about how we will be living in 20 years. No vision, no care, no leadership. If we want to save this nation we need to send the republicans to the trash heap of political history. If they lose big this fall maybe a new republican party will eventually emerge, one that cares about America. They used to care, but the last to really care was Nixon. Now that is scary.

Posted by: Fate | September 15, 2008 9:14 AM

Steve Schmidt still rolling in his cage.

Posted by: ratl | September 15, 2008 9:13 AM

My 'attack' on McCain is centered on his health care plan.
As I read it, those of us who have had an incident or a series of health issues, will be required to find new coverage, regardless of our current age and how many years we paid into our plan when we were younger and healthier. No matter, now we have to find a new coverage, at our more advanced age and less healthy state.
The costs to Americans of this McCain 'plan' will be in the billions.
This plan was written by lobbyists.
There is no sane reason to have health insurance companies taking arbitrary profits like McCain proposes.
They are leeches on the system and why the US system costs more than any other system on the planet.
Vote Obama in 2008 and put America back to work.
Rebuild our infrastructure and yes, provide medical care for all.
Its the Christian thing to do, you know.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | September 15, 2008 9:10 AM

TommyF, then it must make you crazy how in 2001, McCain said the Bush tax cuts went against his "conscience" and hurt middle class voters at the expense of the wealthy, but now in 2008, he supports it. It must make you crazy that he wanted to choose Lieberman or Ridge, whom he thought would be best for VP, but when his party told him they would revolt, he chose someone he hardly knew to appeal to his base. It must make you crazy how he said repeatedly in 2002 that the Iraq War would be easy, and then in 2007 said that anyone who thought the war would be easy wasn't paying attention to the facts. It must make you crazy that he said the US doesn't torture, but when Bush pressed him on the issue, he rolled over and supported it. It must make you crazy how in 2000 McCain decried 527s, and then in April of this year, lined up his campaign to start using them, in violation of what he said was the spirit of his own campaign finance reform law.

Those, to me, are big issues.

"There's also a problem with him taking credit for things he never did, but that's another issue."

You must sill believe the Republican lie that Al Gore said he invented the internet. Yeah, that's not true. But if you repeat a lie enough, the followers believe it because, you know, the media is "biased" against you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:09 AM

If McCain gains office as the result of the dirty play of Karl Rove political tactics, I don't expect to see an honest political campaign again in my lifetime. How shameful for the U.S.

Posted by: Janet | September 15, 2008 9:09 AM

My favorite McCain POW story is that he provided propaganda for the commies, and then in a fit of remorse, considered suicide.
Very heroic.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:05 AM

I think Biden's comments are far too weak, and may actually backfire.

Look, what he is saying is that there is a decent man who has adopted bad tactics.

What that means is that if he is elected, he will be free to be a decent man again.

Look--what he should say is that John has a character fault. That he would rather win the election than do the right thing for his country. That he has no program and has to resort to these tactics. So that if he gets into office, there still will be no program.

Posted by: Bill | September 15, 2008 9:05 AM

Fred, indeed McCain does have a record, and aside from McCain-Feingold, it is not very helpful for where our nation needs to go in the future.

His supporters just get on here and say that he is a hero, that he has a "record," as if we should all just fall in line like lemmings and trust him. His POW term was honorable, but I do not know how it will help us now. And I do not see very much in his record that convinces me that he has a sense of where this country needs to go over the next decade or two.

The Bush administration is now on the same page with many of Obama's suggestions from YEARS ago on Iraq and Afghanistan, and McCain is still unsure about agreeing with them.

Our national deficit is reaching $10 trillion, and McCain advocates for excessive tax cuts, which even conservative Alan Greenspan said would be bad for our economy. McCain's tax cuts focus on the wealthy and on large corporations, while Obama's cuts are smaller and more focused on middle-class families and small businesses, which he believes drive our economy.

These are the two most pressing issues to me. But if you look at issues that will affect what kind of a nation we will be for the next twenty years, I think most will agree that Bush's strategy of underfunding our infrastructure and ignoring our own citizens, for the benefit of foreign countries, is leading us down the wrong path. We need better infrastructure, we need our children going to college, we need to seriously address the health care crisis.

John McCain has been on the Bush--or standard Republican--side of most of these issues for so long. He served nobly in the 1960s, but I am concerned about 2010, 2020, 2030..... And I don't see how our nation can take much more of this.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 9:04 AM

Anyone notice that Palin plans to go to war with Russia?
Get ready for the draft.

Dont tell me it was just an idle threat. There are already Palin for president in 2012 plans.

Imagine war with Russia, a nuclear power, in a land-locked part of the Caucasus mountains. How many troops?

Will we have caught bin Laudin? You know, Russia fights against the Chechen rebels, the same as the CIA says are training the Al-Quaida now.

Why would a sane person go to war against Russia?

VOTE OBAMA now, in 2008 and end the delusions of Palin grandeur.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | September 15, 2008 9:03 AM

mccain also did lipstick on a pig with clinton. his ads have had zero substance except cheap mnemonics like 'celeb'/'the one'.

funny how you can't defend your candidate, huh? all the repubs can do is attack their opponents.

Posted by: tommyf haha | September 15, 2008 9:02 AM

It sounds as though Joe Biden is accusing John McCain of being a Democrat. Thats a low blow.

Posted by: uffdaron | September 15, 2008 9:00 AM

Correction: I meant "he says he won't take campaign financing, then he DOES."

Posted by: TommyF | September 15, 2008 8:59 AM

Of course it's not a game. The seriousness of the situation includes that Obama did not need to interject his "regular folks" comments about lipstick on pigs and stinking fish in paper. Sure, these are recognizable images people can remember, but we need solutions, not slogan Mnemonics.

Obama is now embroiled in the very game you decry. The media did the setup for him by printing various "articles" and editorials. Obama took these "quotes" to use in his ads to start his attack.

Now, look, politicians do this all the time, so I'm not crying foul on running ads. My problem with Obama is how he says one thing and does another. He says he'll debate town halls, then he doesn't. He says he won't take campaign financing, then he doesn't. He says he won't run a negative campaign, then he does. This isn't about who is worse, this is about Obama.

There's also a problem with him taking credit for things he never did, but that's another issue.

Posted by: TommyF | September 15, 2008 8:56 AM

correction; Biden to charity $380 On $320000 income

Posted by: bingo | September 15, 2008 8:55 AM

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/proposed-commercial-mac-vs-pc.html

Sunday, September 14, 2008
A Proposed Commercial: Mac vs. PC

(White background. Childlike piano music plays).

(A picture of Barack Obama appears against the background)

VO (Similar to voice of "Mac" character): Barack Obama is like a Mac.

(A picture of John McCain appears against the background)

VO (Similar to voice of "PC" character): John McCain is like a PC.

(Picture of a bank against the background)

VO: McCain likes the old economics, corporate welfare, and tax breaks for the wealthy of George W. Bush.

(Quick cuts: Picture of Countrywide Branch, Picture of Bear Stearns, Picture of IndyMac against background)

(Picture of Obama)

VO: Obama doesn't like old systems that crash.

(Picture of a mother, father, son and daughter against the background)

VO: Obama thinks that when it comes to health care, every American should have the access and support they need.

(Picture of family fades to blank background)

VO: McCain is against these health benefits for children, families and the elderly. He believes that when it comes to access and support for health, it's an "ownership society"--you're on your own.

(Picture of a woman standing against background)

VO: For women, McCain talks a good game, but he is against a woman's right to choose, would repeal Roe v. Wade, and even voted against equal pay for women.

(Picture expands to show many women standing behind her)

VO: Barack Obama believes that every woman should be paid the same for the same work as every man, and that every woman has the right to make her own choices.

(Picture of George W. Bush)

VO: Barack Obama has called for an end to the distortions, mismanagement, and failed policies of the Bush Administration that have left so many families in distress.

(Famed picture of McCain hugging George W. Bush)

VO: McCain has agreed with George W. Bush 90% of the time.

(Picture of McCain)

John McCain. Do you really want to spend another four years with the same old system?

(Music outro. Fade.)

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/proposed-commercial-mac-vs-pc.html

Posted by: Robert Hewson | September 15, 2008 8:52 AM

Biden wants my money to help underprivileged, However he gave a total of $380 to charity on a $32000. How do you spell hypocrite.

Posted by: bingo | September 15, 2008 8:51 AM

"Yes, it IS low "to call a liar a liar." If McCain has lied, then the public can decide that. If you believe the public is too stupid to get it and needs your help, then you have an overinflated opinion of your own power and worth, and you have a very low opinion of people."

bush/cheney lied endlessly. the public didn't know, and they got away with it. mccain/palin won't.

this is not a game.

Posted by: tommyf haha | September 15, 2008 8:50 AM

Funny I don't hear anyone questioning what happened to Nobama's principles. I assume that's because, with him being from Chicago, everyone realizes there were never any to begin with.

The misogynistic pig has denigrated every white woman he has come in contact with(including his own grandmother who helped raise him) and as usual, just like with Lewinsky, N.O.W. doesn't say a word - no wonder they have lost any semblance of credibility.

Posted by: Robert Campbell | September 15, 2008 8:50 AM

Lets not let Information confuse our perceptions. "Worst economy since the great depression" B
1) no reliable foreclosure rates exists before 1979
2) 2008 employment 94% 1931 employment 75% (today unemployment 6% great depression 25%
3) 2008 National Debt is 65% of GDP up 10% since 2001 it was 90% in 1950
4) current slowdown if a recession at all is the mildest since 1953
Iraq conflict can be compared to WWII and Vietnam
1) WWII lasted 6 years 72 million people died about 22 Million were soldiers, 407316 were American. Vietnam lasted 15 years. 6 Million civilian casualties, and 58,169 American Soldiers were lost. Iraq 5 years so far 87,000 - 95,000 civilian casualties, slightly over 4,000 American Soldiers have died. These are terrible, but not remotely comparable.
Awfullizing and terriblizing will not help us to take needed and appropriate actions. One thing Barak Obama has said is very true, "we are better than this" Neither Candidate has put forward a realistic economic plan. We need them to sharpen the pencils or tune up the spreadsheets. America has an economy larger than China, Japan, and Germany combined, even growing that at 2% is HUGE. We can do better with transportation, energy, healthcare, and education. We don't need blaming, and hand wringing we need plans and action. We don't need Madison avenue selling candidates and slogans like a matress, we need these leaders to speak for themselves, lay out a plan, with real financial analysis. John McCain is correct we need about 25 - 29 new Nuclear power plants, but how would we do that, and what would we do with the waste? otherwise we need 50 million windmills, or lots of people seriously cutting back. Lay out the options, give us something to make our decision with.

Posted by: DonChawanano | September 15, 2008 8:46 AM

Yes, it IS low "to call a liar a liar." If McCain has lied, then the public can decide that. If you believe the public is too stupid to get it and needs your help, then you have an overinflated opinion of your own power and worth, and you have a very low opinion of people.

About "lies," I think it is trivial to attack someone for saying "Lipstick on a pig" but it is not a lie. Obama said it. Did he "attack" Palin? It's a perspective, not a lie. Just 'cause Obama says "No I didn't" doesn't mean he couldn't have meant it that way. The audience that day certainly seems to feel he did, but that is my opinion.

It is also true that "Sex education" has a connotation which goes beyond teaching children as predators, but I think it's a little vague on McCain's part in his ad. On the other hand, a TOTAL overreaction by Obama, which shows his skin is as thin as McCain's. Or are both crying crocodile tears? Interestingly, the Obama campaign claimed "Crocodile tears" for McCain about perceived Palin attacks but now we are supposed to believe Obama's feelings are hurt?

Posted by: TommyF | September 15, 2008 8:45 AM

Hell - Biden IS still on the ticket. I was beginning to think NObama had thrown him under the bus with all the other people he has cast aside in his "assent" (probably too crowded to get anyone else under there).

Biden questioning McCains principles!!! That's a joke right. The guy who's son is making million from the morgatge industry as people lose there houses left and right and when bankruptcy looms, Bidens' support of the new structure makes sure they get screwed a second time.

Hey Joe - go research some more crap to take credit for AGAIN.

Posted by: Robert Campbell | September 15, 2008 8:43 AM

You only need to follow the timeline to see what has happened to the McCain campaign. He was considered a "maverick" before he decided to run for president. While campaigning for the nomination he was running an above board campaign and he won based on his high principles and his non-neo-con moderate image.

But once he became the nominee the national republicans moved in and I believe took over the campaign. I agree with what some have said, that some ads that have McCain saying he approves the ad he has not even seen. What we have is mad dogs who will be out of jobs come November taking McCain's campaign over and fighting for their lives, and the Swiftboaters are getting back together. And while McCain could stop the lies coming from his campaign if he stood up to those running his campaign, he will have no control over the Swiftboaters. Look how he handled his VP pick. Does anyone seriously believe McCain picked Palin?

In other words, McCain and his campaign have been hijacked, and if elected he will have as much control over the country as he currently has over his campaign. This is scary, considering how we are learning how Cheney kept Bush out of the loop on domestic spying.

Puppet is an appropriate word for what McCain has turned into, and there is no evidence he is trying to shake off the strings. Its sad to see someone be used like this, someone who calls himself a "maverick". I just wonder what promises and threats the RNC used to get McCain to turn to the dark side.

Posted by: Fate | September 15, 2008 8:41 AM

it's not 'low' to call a liar a liar. it's low to pretend lying is okay. you repubs are pathetic.

Posted by: tommyf haha | September 15, 2008 8:39 AM

This needs to be the Obama campaign's theme for the next couple of weeks. McCain has stooped to the level of those who destroyed his campaign in 2000. I was most disturbed by McCain saying, during the service forum on 9/11, that Obama is to blame for McCain's negative campaign, because Obama rejected McCain's suggestion joint town hall appearance. Sort of like " please, stop me before I slime again?" McCain sold out in 2004 when he decided to support Bush in order to get the help of Bush's operatives in 2008. It would help if McCain's buddies in the media stopped claiming this new McCain is still a "maverick." He surely is not.

Posted by: azjimn2son | September 15, 2008 8:39 AM

"Trolls" is also an attack. What are your actual thoughts about Obama taking a turn for the worse road? Do you like it? Why?

Posted by: tommyF | September 15, 2008 8:37 AM

Republicans had 8 years and still dont want to admit their mistakes.
Still in DENIAL.
This time Democrats .

Posted by: matt | September 15, 2008 8:36 AM

I guess its tough for Biden to go after McCain due to the level of respect he still holds for him...

Oh well, I guess its not too late to swap out Biden for Hillary since thats about the only way the Dems will win at this point.

Posted by: Yawn | September 15, 2008 8:36 AM

Give 'em Hell, Sarah
Like Truman, a natural-born executive.
by Steven F. Hayward
09/22/2008, Volume 014, Issue 02


"Part of what bothers the establishment about Palin is her seeming insouciance toward public office. Her success with voters, and in national office, would be n affront and a reproach to establishment self-importance. Anyone who affects making it look easy surely lacks gravitas and must not grasp the complexity or depth of modern political problems. Partly this is the self-justification for establishment institutions and attitudes, but partly it represents the substantive view that the size and complexity of modern government require a level of expertise beyond the reach of ordinary citizens. Some of the doubts about Palin are doubts about self-government itself.

As far no one has picked up on the significance of Palin's invocation of Harry Truman in her convention speech. Her reference was more than just a bridge to a heartland-versus-Beltway theme. Truman, recall, was the only president of the 20th century who was not a college graduate. Less than two months after abruptly taking over from FDR with no preparation, Truman wrote his wife Bess describing his quick progress in taking the reins:


It won't be long before I can sit back and study the whole picture and tell 'em what is to be done in each department. When things come to that stage there'll be no more to this job than there was to running Jackson County and not any more worry.


In retrospect it is clear that Truman "got it." He didn't need any more "experience" to master the job. "Well I'm facing another tall day as usual,"
he ended that letter to Bess; "But I like 'em that way."

Ronald Reagan evinced the same attitude toward office as Truman and Palin. In fact, on closer inspection, one can hear in the criticism of Palin the echo of the same kind of complaint made against Ronald Reagan throughout his political career. Never mind that he'd been governor of California. That this graduate of Eureka College--where?--had made his career in Hollywood, a place as exotic and peculiar as Alaska, was decisive with the establishment. "Reagan's election," John P. Roche, a former head of Americans for Democratic Action, wrote in 1984, "was thus an 8-plus earthquake on the political Richter scale, and it sent a number of eminent statesmen--Republican and Democratic--into shock." It wasn't only liberals who found Reagan incomprehensible. "No previous president of the United States," Rowland Evans and Robert Novak wrote shortly after Reagan's election in 1980, "had so bizarre a preparation for political office."


Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 8:35 AM

Well thank goodness. It's about time Joe Biden took off the gloves and came out to save the ticket. Whew. Man, he's a tough one.

Posted by: WSH$ | September 15, 2008 8:35 AM

you republican 'concern trolls' are so transparent. lol

Posted by: tommyf haha | September 15, 2008 8:34 AM

Obama is a despicable traitor:

OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL
New York Post, by Amir Taheri
September 15, 2008

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.

Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet.

Supposing he wins, Obama's administration wouldn't be fully operational before February - and naming a new ambassador to Baghdad and forming a new negotiation team might take longer still.

By then, Iraq will be in the throes of its own campaign season. Judging by the past two elections, forming a new coalition government may then take three months. So the Iraqi negotiating team might not be in place until next June.

Then, judging by how long the current talks have taken, restarting the process from scratch would leave the two sides needing at least six months to come up with a draft accord. That puts us at May 2010 for when the draft might be submitted to the Iraqi parliament - which might well need another six months to pass it into law.

Thus, the 2010 deadline fixed by Obama is a meaningless concept, thrown in as a sop to his anti-war base.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the Bush administration have a more flexible timetable in mind.

According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years - departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues.

Even then, the dates mentioned are only "notional," making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides.

Iraqi leaders are divided over the US election. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani (whose party is a member of the Socialist International) sees Obama as "a man of the Left" - who, once elected, might change his opposition to Iraq's liberation. Indeed, say Talabani's advisers, a President Obama might be tempted to appropriate the victory that America has already won in Iraq by claiming that his intervention transformed failure into success.

Maliki's advisers have persuaded him that Obama will win - but the prime minister worries about the senator's "political debt to the anti-war lobby" - which is determined to transform Iraq into a disaster to prove that toppling Saddam Hussein was "the biggest strategic blunder in US history."

Other prominent Iraqi leaders, such as Vice President Adel Abdul-Mahdi and Kurdish regional President Massoud Barzani, believe that Sen. John McCain would show "a more realistic approach to Iraqi issues."

Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive" war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America.

Despite some usual equivocations on the subject, Obama rejects pre-emption as a legitimate form of self -defense. To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years.

Yet Iraq is doing much better than its friends hoped and its enemies feared. The UN mandate will be extended in December, and we may yet get an agreement on the status of forces before President Bush leaves the White House in January.

Posted by: PJ | September 15, 2008 8:34 AM

McCain is willing to lose his integrity to win an election....that is if he ever really had any.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 8:34 AM

McCAIN/PALIN, still not talking about the issues. I wonder WHY? All I hear from these people is FEAR and SMEAR. The economy, the war,social security,health care,roads and bridges,torture, disfunctional justice department,supreme court nominations, and on and on, not a word.WHY? Then there is the american people. Fixated on trivial matters( pastors and churches, lapel pins,lipstick on pigs) ect... If I was not in this boat with them, I would be glad to let them go the way of the ROMAN EMPIRE. If there is anyone in this country that still want to vote for the neocon/republpcans after the last eight years, I encorage you to seek mental help immediately, there is truly something wrong with YOU!!!

Posted by: zeke49 | September 15, 2008 8:30 AM

Obama fighting back is not going to work. It's not his gig. He loses the "fight fight." McCain is the philosophical hero, Obama is the weak challenger.

I'm saddened deeply that Obama has broken with his rules of the game. He has seen that his message isn't working so he has taken on McCain's tack. It's so hypocritical to say, "John McCain is running a sleazy campaign," since to say this is sleazy in itself. There is nothing worse than a double standard. Whether or not McCain is at fault (and this is dubious), Obama is doing the EXACT.. SAME.. THING.

Some call this "long overdue" fighting back, but he should not have done this. All of the pundits are wrong. The right way to go would have been to let McCain keep attacking and to keep on the issues.

Obama is just another politician who will do whatever he has to do to win the White House.

Posted by: tommyF | September 15, 2008 8:30 AM

Any principles John McCain had evaporated by the end of the 2000 primary season during which George W. Bush, a drunken frat boy desertor, won the Republican nomination by trashing McCain's character (remember McCain's supposed illegitimate black child). At that time McCain's realized that to be the next Bush, he not only had to suck up to George W. but he also had to become just like George W. Bush. Any principles McCain has left are a figment of imagination of the media trying to create interest in the campaign.

Posted by: Jon | September 15, 2008 8:29 AM

Carl Rove is a liar. He is either trying to distract the Obama Campaign or blemish his bad reputation. I would never trust a Sly Fox like Carl. Even when these people tell the truth it is a lie. If you have read Lafontaine " The Crow and the Fox" you will know what I mean. After eight Freaking years these people still think they can bring change to this country. Carl Rove has every reasons to have Mcsame in the Broken White House because he knows he can protect his ass and all the other cronies like Rumfelfd. They will be free of being subpoenad by congress.

Posted by: Omidal | September 15, 2008 8:27 AM

It is easy for a man who never had any principles (other than furthering his career) to make this accusation.

Posted by: Doug | September 15, 2008 8:25 AM

Posted by: kk | September 15, 2008 8:25 AM

John McCain has become a junk yard attack dog and will do anything and say anything to win the prize of commander in chief of the US military. He is now obsessed and blindly driven by his new handlers to destroy Obama with lies, half truths and you name it! He is a patheic loser with no new or good ideas for cleaning up the horrible mess created by Bush. His only strategy is to attack Obama with lies, lies and more lies. Sadly, the not too bright voters will not connect the dots, and still think this tired fool is a war hero that deserves the chance to lead America as the new president. In mid Florida where I live, they worship this dangerous misfit.

Posted by: widollar | September 15, 2008 8:24 AM

Why Evangelists are less than proud of America….

1. The US Constitution claims that all men are equal. Which, for an evangelist, is silly, for every body knows that non-believers will be put to death. In fact, they pray for Jesus to return, in order to kill at least 90% of humanity. A good evangelist prays for this genocidal act daily. Which I find weird, the Vice Presidetntial candidate praying for the deaths of billions of people.
.
2. The USA was founded on religious freedom and separation of church and state. It allows other religions to operate. The Bible says that all non-believers will be put to death, so the idea the United States of America was founded on the precept of religious freedom is overruled by the bible.

3. The U.S. Constitution does not recognize that God’s law is paramount.

4. It allows woman control over their bodies.

5. It allows evil books in it’s libraries.


6. It has not used its nuclear arsenal to fulfill God’s Plan. I mean, c’mon, what’s all this waiting around? It’s up to us to do it.

Evangelicals, if the truth be told, hate their Country. Patriots? Please. The Bible is where their allegiances lay. Which brings up the old Sinclair Lewis quote. The bell ringer of the day, “ Fascism will arrive in this country carrying a bible and draped in flag.” Sadly, it was my old party, nee the Grand Old Party, who let it in.

Posted by: Rob L. | September 15, 2008 8:23 AM

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Obama new attack ads TheObamaPlan.com
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Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 8:22 AM

funny how you can't deny obama/biden are telling the truth huh?

Posted by: hey simonsays | September 15, 2008 8:22 AM

When will Americans wake up from the illusion of the Wizards? Republicans are terrible on Economics and they are terrible on National Security and they have been terrible stewards of the Earth. They have Led us into a Fake & Phony war and have yet to fully implement the recommendations of the 911 Commission to keep this country safe and secure. That is not being strong on National Security! Ground Zero is still a Dark Hole & open Wound and a symbol of their failed polcies! That is not change we can believe in and Enough is ENOUGH! Let's expose the myth, deception and lies of the Wizards -- GOP (Grand Opposition Party)! Let's get off the Yellow Brick Road of lies and deception and realize that the power lies within the people to so produce a working government for the people not a government hiding behind a Curtin of corporate greed and special interest groups! They have failed the American people and they have failed themselves. There is no lasting prosperity for theives and liars and the wrong one does will eventually come back to be reckoned with. This is their recokening. Even Alan Greenspan has said Americans cannot afford the $3.3 trillion dollar tax cuts proposed by Senator McCain!

Now the Grand Wizard, McCain, who is 72 years old has allegedly put his Country First and nominated for V.P. someone totally lacking in national and foreign policy experience, who would be a heart beat away. Woodward in his recent book "The War Within" states that the two sleeping giants when someone takes the oval office come January 2009 will be Iraq and Afghanistan, something Woodward says Bush was disconnected from. There will also be another Giant to face -- that of the economy. Brokaw said to Sen. Shumer on Meet the Press Sunday past -- I thought when one picks a V.P. pick that they pick the most qualified candidate, referring to Obama not picking Clinton and chosing Biden instead. This goes both ways and McCain did not pick the most qualified person. A president will have the Weight of the World on his shoulders. Unfortunately for this Country McCain has made a very bad judgment call. May be he did not use his good judgment in this pick but something less honorable. Barack and Biden are ready to lead and to take up that weight. I do not think McCain and Palin are ready for such a daunting task. We need leadership and not a false and deceptive wizard giving lip service to lies and deceipt instead of truth and light.

Posted by: dsoulplane | September 15, 2008 8:22 AM

do you want to go there? Biden gave the speach a number of times before and one time forgot to put a proper footnote. McCain misquoted a fact check website!

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccain-palin_distorts_our_finding.html

"Was that speech written
by joe biden
or did he Plagurize
it from the POST.
McCain/Palin08"

Posted by: Jeff | September 15, 2008 8:22 AM

Who is Bi-Den?

Only about 50% of the country seems to know him.

Who cares what's coming out his blabbering mouth....

Obama makes wrong chioce and he is the wrong choice for voters...

Zero vs Hero

Posted by: Seed of Change | September 15, 2008 8:21 AM

Senator Biden: The best approach to getting rid of the Rep. garbage, namely the Pit Bull is to compltely igmor her. She sure is not worth the print!

As for Mc Bush, just hammering away at his inability lack of judgement, greed and stupidity will keep the people of this country on their toes and stimulate tthem to look in the direction this country should be headed. GO GET EM PLEASE!!!!!!!

Posted by: LYNN PARKERNEITHER ONE OF THESE MEN ARE SUITABLE TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY. | September 15, 2008 8:20 AM

This from the High Road
Obama/biden Campaign?
My opponents are
liars, running the sleaziest
campaign EVER..Ever Ever..
That is the high road?
Making fun of McCains' age,
and Palin's Gender?
in the real world those
are protected classes.
lets put two lawyers in
the white house,
yes, principles, Indeed.
Nobama!

Posted by: simonsays | September 15, 2008 8:19 AM

Let's be honest, folks: its a fact that most of the world hates McCain and loves Obama. Foreign policy and the war and terror REQUIRE friends around the world, whether it is forging allies in going after a terror nation, or whether it is just making the USA look like a country that supports diversity. For this simple reason, Obama will help foreign relations. McCain will be more of the same.

Secondly, the senate and house will be controlled by democrats. So all that stuff McCain wants to do: it won't get passed anyways. All of his promises are meaningless, though its not his fault, its just the way things are.

So why would you vote for someone who can't deliver any of his campaign promises, and will make our position in the world stage worse and worse?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 8:17 AM

Was that speech written
by joe biden
or did he Plagurize
it from the POST.
McCain/Palin08

Posted by: usa3 | September 15, 2008 8:15 AM

I notice Docc forgot to put Palin's rank for earmarks down. Probably because it is -200%

Posted by: phorse | September 15, 2008 8:14 AM

The theory that I think explains not only McCain's loss of core principles but what will happen when he's president is the following:
- In order to galvanize the Republican party and have it line up squarely behind him, he had to aggressively court the religious right and the rest of the "mainstream" Republican party. Hence his abandoning his "traditional" McCain values.
- Once he's president, he no longer needs the Republican party lined up squarely behind him. If he's elected, watch for him to move sharply back toward the center.
- If by some chance he dies in office, Palin will move the administration far, far back to the right.

If this theory is correct, those of us leaning more toward the center-left don't have that much to fear from McCain, as long as he's alive.

Posted by: DisFisCon | September 15, 2008 8:13 AM

"'Whatever Happened' to McCain's Principles?"

________________________________________

Nothing.

He never had any.

He was always a spoiled little brat, given to temper tantrums when he couldn't get his own way.

His 'principles' can be seen from the way he treated his first wife.

Once she stopped being 'arm candy,' he dumped her -- for more 'arm candy.'

McSame is totally shallow -- as shallow as Bush and for many of the same reasons.

No wonder the Reagans loathed him.

Posted by: pali2500 | September 15, 2008 8:13 AM

September 15, 2008
Can McCain Really Win Pennsylvania?
By Salena Zito

The intelligent question thrown out among strategists for both campaigns is, can John McCain really win Pennsylvania?

Really win it, not pretend to go for it, as Republicans did in 2004, all the while closing the deal in Ohio when no one was looking.

The last Republican presidential candidate to win Pennsylvania was George H.W. Bush, in 1988 -- a win preceded by two Reagans but followed by two Clintons, a Gore and a Kerry. The Kerry win was narrower than the others, however.

Since this year's Pennsylvania primaries, many people have been schooled on the mechanics of how Democrats win this state. Call it the "Rendell rule": Stack up high numbers in the Philly collar counties, hold the losses to a minimum in the other 60, and try to win Allegheny for good measure.

Can Barack Obama pull off a Rendell?

Villanova University political science professor Bob Maranto says political undercurrents are playing against him. "This is an old state, demographically, and some older white voters will be reluctant to vote for a black candidate," he explains, "but there is something more at work. Even if they call themselves independents, most voters more or less automatically vote either Democratic or Republican."

Maranto calculates that the 20 percent or so of voters who really are up for grabs will use information about a candidate's background to make assumptions about his policy views.

Pennsylvanians don't see McCain in the "failed Bush policies" category by which Democrats try to define him. Instead, they see a war hero, a brand that resonates in the blue-collar areas where their unions are trying to persuade them otherwise.

"He is a guy you can depend on," said Tom Miller, 54, of Lancaster, a registered Democrat who is very comfortable voting for McCain. "He has had no problem bucking his own party and he does not ask me to make sacrifices that he isn't willing to make."

Add the stereotypes that some voters hold about black candidates and Obama dilutes the Rendell rule.

So, where can McCain offset traditional Democrat voting blocs?

In Allegheny, Bucks and Chester counties, where a large number of those voters live.

To win Allegheny, McCain must win the entire South Hills area minus Mt. Lebanon. He also must win the new suburban areas around the airport, as well as the Mon Valley, where poorer working white voters live. He can easily sweep the North Hills as well as the small river towns.

Achieve that, and McCain offsets Pittsburgh's black and elite-liberal numbers.

McCain also must win Bucks County, where he should have Sarah Palin establish residency in the large churches in the northern half while he camps out in southern Bucks.

Chester County will be the hardest. McCain won't win West Chester, but the rest of the county -- a one-time Republican stronghold -- is persuadable.

All three counties have healthy-sized veterans populaces, with lots of socially conservative labor-Catholic Democrats -- all voters that professor Maranto views as weaknesses for Obama.

Democrat analyst Larry Ceisler admits problems exist for Obama in counties like Washington, Beaver and Fayette, but he is not quite sold on the idea that McCain can win Allegheny, Chester and Bucks.

The unknown factor in Obama's favor is the latest statewide voter-registration number. Obama state director Craig Schirmer issued a statement last week touting 1 million-plus more registered Democrats than Republicans, double the lead of 2004.

Perhaps the bigger argument is that if McCain is posting Bush 2004 poll numbers in Pennsylvania in the waning days of this election, it indicates that Ohio, Indiana and Michigan are already lost to Obama. Pennsylvania is just that small percentage point more Democrat than her Rust-Belt sisters.

University of Virginia political science professor Larry Sabato says his tentative conclusion is that McCain should not allow the money to run in Pennsylvania unless he has unlimited resources, and instead should look west. His argument: If McCain is close in Pennsylvania, then he already is well above 300 Electoral College votes and won't need it to win.

Salena Zito is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review editorial page columnist. E-mail her at szito@tribweb.com


Posted by: Scott | September 15, 2008 8:12 AM

It's alright to kill babies when it's in the name of some illegitimate war but not through abortion.

Posted by: John | September 15, 2008 8:12 AM

"I know him sir and you are no Jesus."
That made my day.

Posted by: Herunar | September 15, 2008 8:11 AM

actually ivan the talking point is now mccain/palin will be WORSE than bush.

more lies
more unnecessary wars
more private interests
more scandals/secrecy
more abuse of power
more irresponsible taxes
more debt

did i miss anything?

Posted by: mm | September 15, 2008 8:11 AM

McCain is a Republican
Obama is a Democrat

That's all you need to know for this election.

Posted by: egc52556 | September 15, 2008 8:10 AM

If you need any more proof of the failure of the republican greed and corruption look no farther than Wall Street TODAY. Mathematics do not lie. The bank failures of today are directly the fault of the deregulations begun with Reaganomics and furthered by Voodoo economics and pushed over the brink by the Bush doctrine and a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in the republican ticket that has absolutely no chance to provide an American recovery. The only question that remains is will the Obama/ Biden ticket be allowed to win by the skull and bones mafia and if it does, will Obama and Biden pursue the guilty to a prison sentence or just allow politics as usual to continue until there is no nation to save.

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | September 15, 2008 8:10 AM

Ha!
Even ROVE is saying he has gone too far!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Made my day!

Thanks!

Posted by: phorse | September 15, 2008 8:10 AM

I don't know if Obama is a great man. I don't know if Obama is the best man for the job. Heck, I don't even know if Obama is a smart man, but I do know one thing, Obama is a man, and that is what we need for the job right now.

Posted by: Male Voter in Scranton | September 15, 2008 8:09 AM

Ivan writes:

"McCain has gone out of his way to be nice to Obama. He looks stately, Obama looks sophomoric and mean . . .like the left."


What campaign have you been watching ?

I met McCain four years ago. Stately is not the word I would use to describe him or his campaign. The first word that came to my mind when I shook his hand was old.

I used to admire McCain, even voted for him in 2000. I don't recognize that man anymore.

Posted by: MA | September 15, 2008 8:09 AM

NEWS FLASH Obama/Biden
Democratic team breaks foreign experience sound barrier ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=annkM6z1-FE


NEWS FLASH Palin a heartbeat away from flying
Sarah Palin graduates from McCain's foreign experience flight simulator ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es8Kqq74GsQ

Posted by: Ruth | September 15, 2008 8:09 AM

Obama doesn't talk about issues he only pretends to. Listen carefully, he talks in circles and a lot of you just lap it up. McCain has a actual record and has the ability to make decisions (like them or not) that are unpopular with his own party. Obama has neither of these abilities.

Democrats, change for the sake of change . .. except for change they can't stop like climate change.

Posted by: Fred | September 15, 2008 8:09 AM

You ridiculous Republicans - read the front page - you've brought the Unites States economy to its knees because it wasn't good enough that you've ruined our standing in the world. And you continue to defend the blatant lies and slime of your Republican candidates. You love America? What about it do you love? Not the Constitution! Not our wealth, having sent it all to the Middle East and China! Not its citizens whose diversity you fear! Maybe it's time to rethink your dysfunctional "family values".

Posted by: Diane | September 15, 2008 8:08 AM

Ivan, maybe you should listen rather than judge people by their looks.

Posted by: John | September 15, 2008 8:07 AM

Palin is scary. Like the orange that is not Sunkist. You don't know what's inside -- but if you open your eyes you can get a good idea, and it ain't pretty.

Posted by: frank burns | September 15, 2008 8:05 AM

Obama / Biden do not offer change to America. Obama is simply the inexperienced liberal puppet figure of choice for their run, and they need to be honest about this and really look at his background. He has done nothing. Nothing! Joe Biden at least has years of participation in government.
But it is not enough. John McCain and Gov. Palin have more experience between them then the liberal ticket, and contrary to what the liberals spew at us, their politics are not the same as George Bushs'

Posted by: Michael | September 15, 2008 8:05 AM

McCain sold his soul to the evil one when he allowed the religious right to infiltrate and dominate his campaign. They are the evil false prophets that Jesus spoke of:

Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ! or ‘There he is!’ do not believe him. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Remember, I have told you ahead of time. So then, if someone says to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness, do not go out, or ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe him. For just like the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so the coming of the Son of Man will be.
Matthew 24:23-27

Posted by: meowomon | September 15, 2008 8:05 AM

Wow it is amazing how many activists post on these forums and keep repeating the talking points. McCain = Bush is not a winning tactic guy. For one, unlike Bush he can speak well enough to defend himself and doesn't have to plagiarize to do it. Two, it is very clear Obama's tactic is to attack and then feign the victim. It is old and has made me quite critical of anything he says. Repeating a mantra over and over like a zombie even if the word is "change" doesn't make it true. Obama supporters are fooling themselves if they think he is more than just another chicago politician. McCain has gone out of his way to be nice to Obama. He looks stately, Obama looks sophomoric and mean . . .like the left.

Posted by: Ivan | September 15, 2008 8:04 AM

McCain/Palin Change- Invade Iran. Continue the imperialist incursion in the middle east.

Obama/Biden Change - Get back to a sane non-paranoid view of foreign policy.

Posted by: John | September 15, 2008 8:01 AM


Yet one more example of the Obama campaign's FACT-BASED campaigning.

face it. you repubs are campaigning against reality.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 8:01 AM

what's wrong with you commentors? Do you think people are interested or will even scan your 1000 word essay? Just save it for your scrap books - cuz no one here has the time to read it.

Posted by: bullfrog | September 15, 2008 8:01 AM

How about these facts Sen. Biden?

Obama/Biden among worst Pork Barrel offenders in the Senate

Each year, The Council for Citizens Against Government Waste (CCAGW) tabulates its Congressional Ratings, evaluating how each member of Congress measures up on key tax and spending votes.

Scale: 100% Best Record --- 0% Worst Record

McCain - (2007 Score): 100%, (Lifetime Score): 88%
Obama - (2007 Score): 10%, (Lifetime Score): 18%
Biden - (2007 Score): 0%, (Lifetime Score): 22%

http://ccagw.org

Posted by: Docc | September 15, 2008 8:00 AM

Yet one more example of the Obama campaign positive campaigning.

Posted by: rmorrow | September 15, 2008 7:58 AM

Rural writes:

"Nice MA -- you twist and spin like you're a partisan koolaid pusher.

Biden's attacks on McCain ARE GARBAGE

Bottom Line: Obaminations are so desperate they'll parse and post misquotes in an effort to blunt the sharp criticism against their celebrity poster boy."


Oh boo hoo.

Your man McCain got a free ride from the press for years.

Now he's getting fact checked and called on his own desperate tactics.

Desperate to win.....so desperate he chose a woman who's foreign policy cred consists of being able to see Russia from Alaska.

And so desperate to win, he employs some of the same people and the same tactics that savaged him in SC in 2000, to run his campaign today.

The press is wondering, as are many Americans....what happened to McCain. The guy who used to believe in integrity ?

Posted by: MA | September 15, 2008 7:58 AM

America needs more than a great solider," Biden says. "America needs a wise leader." This is not contradictory. Someone needs to shout this from the rooftops. McCain's military family heritage, personal career, and consequent world perspective are the stuff that makes for a good soldier, maybe even a good officer. Its not what we need as leader and commander-in-chief responsible for declaring war and executing diplomacy. The thought of Sarah Palin ( whose world view sounds like something from the 1950's) could be his confidant and successor, should make any sane citizen of the third millenium shudder.

Posted by: soneill@lentzlaw.com | September 15, 2008 7:57 AM

Obama/Biden no change.
McCain/Palin shows change.

Remember Jesus was a Teacher.
Remember Obama is not Jesus, I know him sir and you are no Jesus.

Posted by: hcallaway | September 15, 2008 7:56 AM

I saw that interview with Fiorina. This is the technology leasder that McCain has chosen to act as his expert reference for technology issues? This is truly sad. I had been a McCain supporter but over the last few months he has honestly disappointed me with just about every choice he has made.

Posted by: Robert | September 15, 2008 7:55 AM

It's about Biden told the truth about McCain's campaign. Go Joe!

Posted by: Paul Sunstone | September 15, 2008 7:54 AM

quit whining, rural. face reality. mccain/palin are a ticket of lies.

Posted by: mm | September 15, 2008 7:54 AM

Some folk say that McCain has lost his principles. Realists simply see a man who'd too old, who'd no longer capable of running the big ship. Things are starting to get confusing for him now. He's declining fast, which is the nature of the human body. The sad thing is that, in giving up his principles, he's lost his patriotic aura, as in Me First, Country next.

Check this out from the journal. Even the WSJ is now saying that Palin is a flat out liar.

Palin's Project List
Totals $453 Million
McCain Campaign
Says Record Shows
Drop in Requests
By LAURA MECKLER and JOHN R. WILKE
September 15, 2008; Page A5

Last week, Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain said his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, hadn't sought earmarks or special-interest spending from Congress, presenting her as a fiscal conservative. But state records show Gov. Palin has asked U.S. taxpayers to fund $453 million in specific Alaska projects over the past two years.
These projects include more than $130 million in federal funds that would benefit Alaska's fishing industry and an additional $9 million to help Alaska oil companies. She also has sought $4.5 million to upgrade an airport on a Bering Sea island that has a year-round population of less than 100.

During an appearance Friday on ABC's "The View," Sen. McCain said Gov. Palin shared his views, and hasn't sought congressional earmarks. "Not as governor she hasn't," he said.

In fact, in the current fiscal year, she is seeking $197 million for 31 projects, the records show. In the prior year, her first year in office, she sought $256 million for dozens more projects ranging from research on rockfish and harbor-seal genetics to rural sanitation and obesity prevention

As for Sen. McCain's televised comments on Friday, Mr. Bounds added, "If he gave viewers a mistaken impression, it certainly wasn't intentional."

(a lie is now a "mistaken impression." Lies are now the viewers fault!!??? And it wasn't intentional because the man is flat out of it. He's in Rove's bubble now, and there is no way out)
The McCain campaign has also come under fire for saying on the stump and in TV ads that Gov. Palin killed the controversial "Bridge to Nowhere," a $223 million earmark linking the mainland to a sparsely populated island. In fact, she supported the project initially and killed it after it was widely criticized and Congress allowed the state to use the funds for other projects.

Posted by: Rob L. | September 15, 2008 7:54 AM

Bottom Line: Obama has tried to have it both ways. His campaign unleashed a seditiously calculated misogynist attack against Hillary, then took out Bill Clinton with underhanded floating of the racist card.

Posted by: rural americans | September 15, 2008 7:52 AM

"This ticket has already begun to will draw deep criticism from Democratic voters who support Obama for his stand against the war in Iraq. Now that’s appears not too important to Obama?"

Obama was right about Iraq in 2002, McCain was wrong. Obama knows it and so do a majority of Americans.

That fact is very important to Obama. To hear McSurge tell it, the Iraqi war started in the fall of 2006.

Don't forget, get those 18 year old boys registered for the draft.

McCain will need fresh troops when he starts his very own war.....this time with IRAN.

Posted by: MA | September 15, 2008 7:52 AM

thanks for proving you repubs have ZERO rational or issue-based talking points remaining.

all you have is silly gossip and innuendo. you guys are a joke.

Posted by: buyer's remorse? | September 15, 2008 7:51 AM

Nice MA -- you twist and spin like you're a partisan koolaid pusher.

Biden's attacks on McCain ARE GARBAGE

Bottom Line: Obaminations are so desperate they'll parse and post misquotes in an effort to blunt the sharp criticism against their celebrity poster boy.

Posted by: rural americans | September 15, 2008 7:50 AM

I was watching ABC news this morning and they had Carly Fiorina, the ex CEO of Hewlett Packard speaking on behalf of Sarah Palin. I thought this was very appropriate considering she single handedly just about ran HP into bankrupcy before the board could get rid of her. I would expect the same type of situation if Palin becomes VP.

Posted by: Judy | September 15, 2008 7:50 AM

DEMOCRATES GOT THIS SO WRONG THIS ELECTION YEAR!
Obama screwed up, just as expected and predicted…

Count how many Obama selected top advisors have been fired from his camp
but ONLY after voters began to discover for themselves where MEDIA like CNN & MSNBC failed to report the truth and of course the rapid drop in polls, otherwise Rev Wright would still be employed by Obama camp. Next Obamas selects VP vetting team, Jim Johnson who got the sweetheart deal from countrywide and fired and Caroline Kennedy no experience at all, (payback for Ted Kennedy’s support) who both stupidly ignored the historic candidate who split the primary elections down the middle, won the popular vote, 23 primaries, with 18 million strong supporters, they wrongly pick Biden who got just 9000 votes in primaries and contradicts his change message and the war vote the media helped him use against Hillary that Biden voted for as well? Proof is Biden gained him zero "bounce" in the polls. Infact it underlines his inexperienced to lead and make a decision based on what’s best for the country and not just for him and Michelle.

What would Clinton of added to the ticket? Apparently a WIN. If Clinton were at the top of the ticket, even today polls show she would be leading McCain by 8pts 3 months after ending her campaign. Clinton herself enjoys 87 percent approval ratings among Democrats, Gallup reports three out of four Democrats would like to see her as president and be a major-party spokeswoman over the next four years. Clinton's supporters lukewarm in their support for Obama mainly because of the sexist way his camp treated Senator and President Bill Clinton. David Axelrod has said often in the past; “Obama doesn’t need her supporters” they vote republican anyway, why are they begging for them now? DNC is shaking in their boots over selection of Palin.
Especially after the historic DNC convention Obama ONLY got an average 2pt bump in polls, when history shows most got 10-15pt bump.

Simply Put: “ Dems showing “BUYERS REMORSE”

Tabloid Cable media especially CNN ( Obama hired help)& MSNBC should be boycotted for frankly putting the security of our great country at risk with an Obama coronation in the bias election opinions nightly. It’s extremely concerning that so many Americans could care less about who their candidate really is?? He’s black, let’s make it happen? Simply amazing and frankly scary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89m0pC_bpY

Obama has shown this entire season he can be pushed and told exactly what to do just what we can’t have in the White House and remember grandma; he will throw anyone under a buss if it helps politically so; WATCH OUT MICHELLE! Obama, Pelosi and Dean are why we changed our party affiliation to “Independent” When all the benefits are with the Democrats this election; they selected the wrong candidate, who in turn selected the wrong VP candidate by a mile.

Posted by: Dems showing “BUYERS REMORSE | September 15, 2008 7:47 AM

I think he can be ready, but right now, I don't think he is," Biden told ABC News debate moderator George Stephanopoulos about an Obama Presidency. "The presidency is not something that lends itself to on the job training."

Selecting Joe Biden who voted for the Iraq war, won his job in the Senate over 35 years ago when Obama was only 11, detracts Obama ticket's agent of change, yes and he voted for the IRAQ war, an old guy according to Obama camp during the primaries. His selection removes all attacks Obama camp using against McCain…Bad bad decision…Maybe doing what Uncle Ted told him to do, by letting inexperienced Caroline Kennedy make the VP decision wasn’t such a good idea.

Obama will loose…

Biden dropped out of the 2008 race after a poor finish, but not before he talked dismissively of joining someone else's ticket. "I am not running for vice president," he said in a Fox interview. "I would not accept it if anyone offered it to me. The fact of the matter is I'd rather stay as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee than be vice president." It was his second try for the White House. The first ended badly in 1988 when he was caught lifting lines from a speech by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock. Just like Obama.

VP pick Joe Biden’s known as (“The gaffe machine”) wild mouth managed to run him afoul with Indians, 7-Eleven clerks and African-Americans.

"You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking," he told C-SPAN. "I mean you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean “he enthused. "I mean, that's a storybook man, not a fairy tale??

This ticket has already begun to will draw deep criticism from Democratic voters who support Obama for his stand against the war in Iraq. Now that’s appears not too important to Obama? This guy is a total flip flopping liar. These voters who will never forgive Biden for approving the war anymore than they would forgive President Bush or former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld nor Obama for playing his faithful supporters as fools. It shows Obama have no Plan or direction.

Lastly, Biden DOES NOT put on the table any state on the table to help with electoral vote? With Biden comes the very real risk that his loose lips around reporters will render all sorts of new gaffes and scandals in the coming months that will swamp the Obama campaign's message. McCain camp is jumping up and down for this gift from Obama


Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency

http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html

Posted by: Biden dont think highly of Obama | September 15, 2008 7:46 AM

Per Rovian:

James Carville initiated one of the most vicious campaign strategies ever to adorn American politics. But the northeast media hegemony has always loved him and Willy, and Hilly, so he has always gotten a pass from being held accountable (unlike Rove) and he has alway gotten a good gig somewhere -- these days it's at the ALL BULL, ALL BIAS CNN.

Posted by: rural americans | September 15, 2008 7:45 AM

Rural writes:

"Bottom Line: Obama has tried to have it both ways. His campaign unleashed a seditiously calculated misogynist attack against Hillary, then took out Bill Clinton with underhanded floating of the racist card.

How dare any of the Obaminations hurl whining epitaphs at McCain. What a bunch of duplicitous garbage."


Wrong. The bottom line is the media and other sources who once had a good relationship with McCain, don't recognize the candidate that he's morphed in to.

And your selective recall about the Dems primary amounts to a rewrite of history.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Whining epitaphs ? Garbage ? You paint a very clear picture of yourself when you refer to another human being as "garbage".

Obama is many things, some good, some bad, but he isn't garbage.

Posted by: MA | September 15, 2008 7:45 AM

and this is not ironic coming from the man who said "obama is not ready to lead". before joining his ticket?

Posted by: dale | September 15, 2008 7:45 AM

How can you ever, EVER even consider to elect someone from the party that got more than 5000 human beings killed (30.000+ wounded) in a far away desert country with no association to the terrorist organization that is to blame for 9/11. A government that has directly or indirectly supported the use of torture and a government that has discontinued normal judicial process. A government that supports the grants tax cuts to the well off and hurts the little guy. There are a whole lot of US loving Europeans that are really starting to doubt if this formerly great country is something to look up to.

Posted by: Jesper Hansen | September 15, 2008 7:44 AM

Following the election process from afar, I am longing to see some truth, intelligence and humanity in it.

Posted by: asoders22 | September 15, 2008 7:42 AM

All the Obama and Biden liars- Biden is a liar, like Obama and his Chicago cronies. Obama's "change" means he will keep the change and you can't change a thing!

Posted by: David Blumenthal | September 15, 2008 7:41 AM

It should be obvious to everyone now that McCain developed a strong skill set while in captivity all those years. Those were to present false information to his captors, and to lie, deceive, misdirect, and parse. He is still using those skills, however, no longer on his Vietnamese jailors, rather on the American people.

Posted by: PT 109 | September 15, 2008 7:40 AM

Bottom Line: Obama has tried to have it both ways. His campaign unleashed a seditiously calculated misogynist attack against Hillary, then took out Bill Clinton with underhanded floating of the racist card.

How dare any of the Obaminations hurl whining epitaphs at McCain. What a bunch of duplicitous garbage.

Posted by: rural americans | September 15, 2008 7:40 AM

He never had any to begin with...

Here's what the Obama team needs to do to get it's groove back...

http://nahnopenotquite.com/2008/09/15/the-obama-commercial-needed-in-ohio-and-pa/

It's really this simple...

Posted by: ES | September 15, 2008 7:39 AM

Finally. Let's see some action from you Joe. Go and get them. They are no match for you. One is old and senile the other one is a clueless bimbo wannabe.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 7:39 AM

It is about time. I am so glad that Obama-Biden are finally hitting back. It could not happen at a better time. I was starting to panic.

Posted by: Shedrick Grimsley | September 15, 2008 7:36 AM

Previous posters can attack Biden all they want, but that skirts the questions. As The Economist put it on their cover "Bring back the real McCain". I don't know who this new, opportunistic McCain is, but I don't like it, and I'm not voting for him. Too bad, as for 8 years, I had lamented that I would have voted for McCain over Bush. What happened to *that* McCain of 8 years ago?

Posted by: msp | September 15, 2008 7:36 AM

McCain is running, up until now anyway, the same campaign that Bush ran against him in 2000, after McCain stomped him in the NH primary.

McCain was savaged and smeared with filthy lies and distortions in South Carolina and never recovered. When he complained to Bush about this personally during one of their debates, Bush told him it was just politics.

Politics ain't bean bag. That said, when the press starts a backlash against you, as they have against McCain's tactics the last 48 hours, it's probably a sign that you've gone too far.

Biden is merely pointing out that the McCain of 2000 is not the same candidate that's running today. No surprise, McCain thinks his tactics will win, so they'll probably continue as long as it works for them and the polling reflects that. But make no mistake, there's been a backlash against McCain.

Perhaps McCain will win. He'll "sheperd" over the economy as Bush has (LOL) and continue Bush's tax cuts. Appoint a few supremes to overturn Roe and watch his back so the Christian right doesn't slip a mickey in his tea and advance Palin to the oval office.

Like McCain says, my friends, change is coming. It'll be change all right. McCain will start his own war, this time with Iran. Bush's Iraqi war is already old news and McCain wants one of his own.

Oh, don't forget. When your teenage boys reach 18, it's mandated by law, they have to register for the draft.

I thoroughly enjoyed serving my country in the USAF. Of course I volunteered and the country was at peace back then.......

Posted by: MA | September 15, 2008 7:36 AM

The problem is not with McCain, it's with the foolish people who nominated him. He is the same old song, just older.

Posted by: Strom | September 15, 2008 7:32 AM

Weisman, is it true that repeating the mistakes of history is the work of fools ? And I suppose some of these idiots truly believe that they are doing the Will of the Father, shame on them.

But looky here. Politics is reallly boring so I pulled Churchill's History of English Speaking Nations off of the shelf to read the book on Revolution again (fade in the Pretenders Revolution sound track here) oh, I digress.

Now pretend we are commuting by train with Joe and bring up the subject of the French Revolution. Before Napolean met his Waterloo, how cliche' I know, Bonaparte after failing to conquer the world once, tried it again. Bonaparte from exile (the first time) tried to organize his cronies back in France to regain power. He was successful in that the neocons in his homeland backed him again. After taking over the Rule of France once more, this Admiral went on one last crusade and was finished forever. I see alot of current day similarities to the end of the French Revolution to the Neocon movement and Wannabe Admiral McCain. Man, dissenting is hard work because some of these fools will label me unpatriotic as comparing McCain to Bonaparte. It's just that I am a much better General and Admiral than McCain and he gets jealous easily just ask Don Rumsfeld.

Bottomline is that McCain is out of control. I used to think he was just sucking up to the conservative base but I think he is just way outside the dots now. Maybe he has re-entered his own heart of darkness I don't know. And they are stupid. It would behoove them to /ignore me, I hate suck-ups more than I hate politicians.

While riding the train with Joe here in fantasy land *yes, I do know the difference between fantasy and reality, imagine that) we may want to bring up the fact that historically railroads will use the ole "human error" excuse first on any trainwreck. And that this is one of the worst possible times to have a passenger trainwreck because public transportation is on fire. Lastly, is it true that passenger railroads are still having a hard time with the cashbox covering operating costs ? If so, it may be a good time to subsidize diesel fuel for passenger railroads at least. Have to be careful though because lousy management always says first that the cashbox revenues can't meet operating costs.

Oh yea, so Admiral Sydney just wants to talk about lipstick right, /ignore McCain, what a sore loser.

Posted by: Mark W. | September 15, 2008 7:32 AM

McCain says that he has chosen these attack ads because Obama refused to campaign with him in town hall meetings. To me this sounds like a childish excuse or tantrum like when you don't get your way you scream and cry. So what if Obama didn't want to run his campaign the way you suggested...grow up, stop acting like a spoiled angry child and talk about the issues.

Posted by: karenk | September 15, 2008 7:28 AM

Go get'em Joe.

Posted by: Falcon | September 15, 2008 7:26 AM

repubs have nothing left but lies and distractions. shameful.

Posted by: mm | September 15, 2008 7:26 AM

You tell it like it is Joe! It is scary times for all. Team Obama has to have a good week. I do not know how many more fat pitches Team McCain is going to throw at us.
http://www.boppoll.com
Team Obama added 100,000 bops to McCain's total yesterday. 10 people can add 600 bops per minute!

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: mgultch | September 15, 2008 7:24 AM

It would never occour to ask the same question to Biden.

The WaPo is in the tank for the democrats and has been for a very long time.

Posted by: joe | September 15, 2008 7:23 AM

this, from a dem who has none...again and again biden proves he is not the man for the job...

Posted by: Dwight | September 15, 2008 7:20 AM

Apparently even Karl Rove is embarrassed to be associated with McCain's recent tactics.

McCain + Palin = Four more years of Bush tactics and Bush politics. I defy anyone to deny that truth. All you can say is maybe they'd be worse.

Posted by: Rocky | September 15, 2008 7:18 AM

"Lying" seems to be the central theme of the McCain campaign. Carl Rove went on Fox noise yesterday and called McCain a liar. Ha ha you KNOW you've reached the bottom of the cesspool when Carl Rove calls you a liar on Fox.

Posted by: MikeMcNally | September 15, 2008 7:15 AM

What ever happened to Joe Biden? What happened to Senator Usury, the credit card flunkie of Delaware? He is Palin by comparison. What happened to Mr. Kitchen Table, the one with Pennsylvania roots on his hair plugs?

Oh, he is the one who said Obama should have picked Hillary for VP. Now he has the gall to speak in Michigan, one of the states the DNC disenfranchised. Are you going to promise a big federal bailout of the auto industry, assuming there is anything left in the Treasury?

Posted by: alance | September 15, 2008 7:08 AM

Sounds about right to me!

Posted by: Mobedda | September 15, 2008 7:03 AM

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